Fore Play - A Great Debate: “Shoot” vs “Make”

Episode Date: February 4, 2020

When you finish a hole, do you say “I made 6” or “I shot 6”? We debate, and things get heated. We also react to yet another incredibly candid interview from Rory McIlroy, Tony Finau coming up short yet again, and Spieth missing the cut in Phoenix. Lurch details his weekend playing Harding Park, Pasatiempo, and running just an awful Instagram story!You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

Hey, 4Play listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. We were just talking about a little bit of Tony Fienow beforehand. I imagine we'll get all into that. One of our tech guys, Colby, who we've even mentioned many times in this show, legitimately turned into Tony Fienow tracker on Sunday, which ended in complete and total disaster. The waste management did its typical thing where it goes into a playoff leading right up into the Super Bowl. Super Bowl.

There's a lot to get to. Lurch, I know you got in real late. You're in San Francisco. You played a couple of golf courses, one that we've played before, one that's going to be very important come this May with the PGA Championship. What time did you get in last night? Got in around 2.45. A.m.?

A. Okay. Yeah, flight was delayed, so just love and traveling across the world these days because everything seems to just not work out. I think the plane was delayed just due to wind, which sounds outrageous. Why does that sound outrageous? Wind's way more dangerous than like rain. Yeah, I guess.

It's just like you're an airplane. Like just get up there and start flying. Wind is... It was a beautifully, like, sunny, gorgeous day. I mean, it was gusting. So the guys we played with were fantastic. On Sunday, just yesterday, we played with a guy named Chase and Eric, who are both part of the PGA.

And one's in ops, ones in marketing. They were giving us the whole rundown of the course, which we'll get into. Um, but they were saying, will we get into that? Well, potentially, if you want to discuss it, Frankie. It would be like up to you to get into it. True. Well, I figured we'll discuss it because you guys have all played positive.

If we like tabled this or something, you know. Anyways, he was saying that he's never really seen Gus up to like 45 before and that's what we were playing in. It was the course was impossible. I got killed. But it was a gorgeous, like, sunny day and the fact that we just couldn't take off for another couple hours. And every hour, and this is in the right way, but almost seems to multitone.

Because every time you're like, oh, we're supposed to fly off at 4 at 7 p.m. So then we get in at, you know, a little after midnight. But then every time it goes to 5, it seems like it's multiplied by 3. Let's play devil's advocate here. You think they're doing that for a reason for your safety? Totally. I mean, it's not. What's the alternative, right?

Like, would you rather just get up there? Hold on. In this time. Yeah, like. In this climate. In these times? Right. It's the whole thing stinks.

So flying from California, people are wearing the mass too from the coronavirus. So then you're sketched out about that. That's terrible. And then so the wind delay happened. My flight to Miami, the whole road next to me was wearing masks. Yes, everybody was wearing masks. Almost ran off the flight. It's terrible.

You guys worried about the virus thing? A little bit. Very much so. Always a little piece to me that's weird. Very much so. You know who's worried about it is your dad, I'm sure. He's like, get that water ready. No, he hasn't said a word about it.

That's. I don't know that he's a big virus guy. He's a big everything else guy. I think it depends on like what your crew. I have a kid of my crew, my buddy Steve, who just is. the biggest dark web and like skeptic and thinks the world is going to end and that everyone's lying to us and the government's a lie and all this stuff. And he sends these links of like coronavirus and how it's spreading where it is. He's tracking people.

One guy was in Minnesota. Another guy was in Chicago. And I'm like, Steve, you got to stop. You got to stop sending me this stuff. I have a coworker like that. Not you guys. Obviously, real coworker. One freak.

Something that freaked me out. So pissed me off right out of the game. gate. I went in to go get a ginger ale because I had a sore throat, but then also a bag of gummy worms. Number one drink to drink on a airplane, gingero. I swear. The gummy bears were $5. So I gave the guy a $5 bill. When you hand somebody a $5 bill, this is catch me out right from the bat.

Like I get one side of the bill, you get the other, but our hands should never touch. He touched my fingers and that freaked me out. I was like viruses in the air. This guy touched my finger. That's your fault. Use the cash. Don't use cash. Yeah, weird move.

Why are you using cash? What are you my dad? That's the least you worry. I touch everything. Like sometimes, like, you know, what? Like, when you go in a mall, sometimes you're just going up the escalator and your hands just on the thing and you're looking at. Like, how the fuck my hand end up here?

I had that this morning. I took a cab to work and I found myself, like, grabbed like the door handle. I was like, what am I doing? Well, how did I get here? Right. And this might be how I go. I do it on the subway where I'll, you know, you got to hold on to something so you go flying across the fucking car.

But then I'll always make sure I use just that. hand and try to hold just the same spot yes for as long as possible when I used to take this to a little time the most amazing people to me were the ones who refused to grab on anything and they would just surf yeah their cores are so strong you know they just ride it out I try to do they just go fly no they know every turn they're like well I'm just all right now I got to lean this way and it's one of the more magnificent it is you can do it if it's not crowded because you actually can like spread out and get a solid base and you're fine right when

it's crowded you you you're kind of of like standing up straight with no leg power. And you could go in. Dude, I remember, I remember it was, the takeoff is the bad. Oh, yeah. And I remember when I first moved here, I was just getting used to the subway. And it was so packed. And I found myself in no man's land where I couldn't reach anything.

And I'm just in the middle of all these people. And every turn, I was just bowling people over. It's a scary thing. Is that the one where the guy said, tapped his shoulder and said, hang on here? Yes. Yep. Oh, my God. How did you remember that?

One of your tweets. It was a great tweet. Yeah, it was the tweet. I was like one of my first months in New York. city and I was in no man's land. I was like the part in the subway where you cannot grab on anything and a guy, a very nice man

looked at me and said, you can grab on right here. And I did. I grabbed onto his shoulder. God come from. It is. It was. It was like an angel on the subway. It was, I grabbed onto his shoulder and we looked out of Brooklyn. It was, I mean, I tell you what, it really, people say this city's mean and whatever. And maybe the guy like took

something out of my pocket. You can touch me here, but I'll just rob. I had to get a new wallet after that. But other than that, it I was saying. A splendid experience. I'm reading. The surfers, though, are so impressive. Because, like, what the hell do you got for you?

I'm reading Trent. If you type in Barstool, Trent Subway on Twitter, these tweets are so funny, man. You are a funny Twitter guy. Man, thank you. This homeless guy at my subway stop plays the same song on the guitar every day and makes me feel like I'm in Westworld. Is that true?

Oh, yeah, yeah, it is because in the beginning of Westworld, the thing would always come out of the piano. And I would get on the subway and this guy would play the same song. If you've ever watch that show, it starts the same way every time. I was like, boy, I feel like I'm the Westworld. December 5th, 2017. What are people who don't hold on to anything on the subway trying to prove?

Barst of Trent. Yeah. Oh, that was a good one, the Titanic one. We don't have to go through my team. No, I know. This is another one that made me laugh. I don't understand bikes on the subway at all. Ride that fucking thing, bro.

It's so true. I don't know how we got on that big of the subway, but I feel so good that you reminded me of that guy who was like grab onto my shoulder. Because he was so nice. Yeah, God was like this. I got an Iowa boy in New York. I'm going to send him a little angel on the subway. And I must have just looked as overwhelmed as a human being can look.

Yeah, so much someone went out of their way to contact, make contact with you on the subway, which nobody does. A gentleman asked me if this subway line was going to Brooklyn. I said yes that we both got on. I was very wrong. What happened there, Tren? That was like my first week, I think. I would just, people would ask me questions about, like, is this the right subway?

And I would just say yes. Because I was just nervous to, like, interact too much with people. And then the worst part of the time. Get on the same car. Yes. The worst part, as we started to go uptown as opposed to downtown, I'm just trying to avoid eye contact with him. Just like, all right. Just don't look at him.

And I got off at the next stop. So I didn't have to make eye contact with him anymore. Holy shit. That's funny. I'm just picturing you, like, leave one subway door and then go into the next car, but you can still see each other. That's just like itching my forehead to try to cover my eyes. Yeah, my subway experience. Dude, he looks through the window of the other car

you're staring at him. He's just pissed. He's like, what is this guy? What's this guy leading me to? My first subway. You just pull up your sweatshirt and there's just an Iowa t-shirt underneath. My first subway, I have no fucking idea. My first experience with the subway were, I mean, they were tough.

I didn't know what the hell I was doing. That happens. You can't blame someone for that. But what you can't blame for them is just giving you the, oh, yeah, no, this is going up town. It's going right to Brooklyn. Boy, then we were just headed towards Harlem. I was like, damn, we're going up. We're not going down.

Damn. Fuck, that's funny stuff. That is. California. You're in California. Yeah. So Puzz de Ampo, you guys played it. That is just one of the more magnificent golf courses you could ever play.

Shout out for Riggs, hooking it up. Met the pro there. This guy, Chris, who was just fantastic. He kind of tore us around California, if you will. My buddy, Greg and I pretty much lost to Chris every way that you can play it. Who played Positiempo versus Chris and Zach. Chris was the guy who told me I was fucked in the first hole. Yes, and he's hysterical.

Yeah. He's hysterical. Also, I guess you guys had a bunch of drinks before, but I don't know what happened to you on the first hole, but you were like 140 yards out in the rough at one point. And he told you, yes, and he told you anything you can do to just advance it to the front of the green would be amazing from where you're at. And you just look back to them rigs. And I guess, Joe, that is the single worst piece of golf advice I've ever heard. And then you continue to play up.

I think I made like a nine on the first. hole or something. So I took an X on the first hole both times we played it. That's just how I played the golf. How hard was number three? That's an impossible golf. It's the hardest hole I've ever played. I've ever looked at.

I actually made a bogey there first day, which I was really happy with. That's insane. And then I think I took a six or something like that the next day. That's par three. It's like 250, right? Yeah. And if you miss left or right, you're pretty much dead. Right's better than left, but the whole thing is impossible.

Yeah, anybody who doesn't know, Positiba was Alistair McKenzie, same guy who built Augusta and Cyprus Point. So he, the same greens that you have at Augusta, you pretty much have the same concept built by the same person at Paso Tienpo. It's also like Teter Green with the bunkering and all that, insanely intimidating.

He's got kind of those sprawling, like, fingery-type bunkers that just kind of creep all over the course, so they're very visually intimidating. And then once you get through all that and you get on the greens, you have the 16th hole where we did the rigged verse, which is like a five-tier green, I think they call it. The thing is, yeah, treacherous.

I mean. I had a punt for Bernie on that. hole. Yeah, you did. I did too. I made a boge. You had a good luck for burning. There's a story about Tiger on that hole that they were always tell us. He said he like four or five putted and like lost a match or something. That's right. I don't talk about that. I don't remember all those details. But Pasa Tempo is very difficult. And I guess there's, um, there's an unreal collegiate tournament that's

hosted there by San Jose State, I think. Okay. Um, which the golf channel covers. Yeah, I was insane. Thank you. that I tee that up because the back nine at Posit tempo we played Friday we played kind of like midday but then Saturday afternoon we played it again at the golden hour and it was like one of the most amazing most gorgeous golf experiences that I could potentially have the back nine is so so pretty that once you go 1011 you're at the top of the hill 12 looks back down and when you're coming down 12 you can actually see the 16th green behind the 12th green and the way the sun was hitting it I was just like, I do this blinking thing where if I see something super pretty,

I try to blink a bunch to create a mental image that's in my head forever. You think it's like a camera? Yeah, exactly. That's Jim and Pam, right? Yeah, they do little fucking moments. They go at the wedding. Really? Oh, yeah.

Oh, that's right. I do that. So that's what I was doing. Yeah, you've always done mental, take a mental picture. Boom. It's important. So is that where you're going back to in your brain right? Yeah, boom.

Just did it. It does nothing. It does nothing. The blink does nothing. Right. It's not doing much. Logically thinking you should not blink and stare at it long. Correct.

You're basically doing less. You're shrinking the amount of time you're looking at the moment that you want. Fair. But for me, it's one of those things

that you just do the opposite of it. 14th hole has the funnel in the middle of the fairway. Oh yeah. It's like a weirdest looking fairway. It's like a half pipe. This is where the sun glistens off the 40s left us.

Yeah, Whitney had to catch a play. That's a tough place to leave you on the golf course because you're not close to. We play with Whitney. He was playing lights out. Yeah. He was having the time of his life. He's like,

who were playing posse tambliss is so sick and then all of a sudden he's like wait a minute like am i going to make this flight and then someone's like no you have to go all the way to san francisco there's no chance yeah and he's like i got to leave right now and barely made his flight so we almost had to do that hardy but then we on like the it was like 210 and we were still on the 16th and i had a four o'clock flight and then i just got an email saying that the plane is 90 minutes of the late so actually that was that was working out in my family did you get any gear like any merch at the positiams yeah had to i have to i have to i have a little bit of the plane is i have to i have a three wood cover.

Sweet. The logo is incredible. The palm tree, whatever that is. It's incredible. The place is awesome. It was just an awesome experience. Yeah, when we played it, we had done spyglass that morning. We started drinking Pink Whitney's at like the third hole. Yeah. And then we, after

we finished, we drove up to Paso Teampo played that. So by the time, we teed off at Paso Teampo. I mean, we were cooked. We had had a long day. We had had a great match where I think we, we tied, or me and Trent won like one up. And then we got up, yeah. Killed at Paso Tampa.

Whitney was playing great. We were all playing terrible, I think. Really bad. I had the worst headache in my life playing that golf course. That's one thing I do remember, but it was still great, but I remember that vividly on like 11. I was like, I think I'm having like a seizure. I think I'm some sort of, something's going on in my brain.

Well, it gives you no breaks. I mean, one, two, and three are some of the more challenging golf holes that you can play because one and two were just so demanding off the teeth that if you're in the wrong spot, you're pretty much, you can't make par. And then three, if you, you make par, it might as well be a hole in one. I mean, for real. That hole is so damn hard that's incredible.

I guess one member has a hole in one on every par three at that golf course, which is amazing. And then Chris was telling me that, so the 18th is a par three as well. He was saying that every pro has been under par going into the 18th and then not been able to post the score because they just took an X on the 18th, which is just got to be brutal. Really? Yeah. We played in the dark. Frank had made like two pars in the dark.

Remember that? Really? That was part of the video. It was crazy. I hit my ball and never saw it again. Yeah, that happens. That happens all the time. I hit it and I was like, no way.

It's pitch dark out here. What a course though? What a golf course? I heard that twice this week. Pitch dark. I meant to say pitch black. Now I've heard that same mistake two times this week. You haven't deja vu?

No, someone else said it. Pitch dark. I meant to say pitch black. I remember thinking to call them out and be like you're just wrong there. So I called you out. That's cool. to miss on that twice. I appreciate it. Valentine's tip, number one, not all rose bouquets are created equal. If you're looking for roses that are guaranteed to impress, head to our very good

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Okay, that's code 4-4-1-word, F-O-R-E-P-L-A-Y. You go to Y100Flowers.com, click the little radio icon, enter code for play. Boom, you are welcome. All right. How hard was Harding Park? Was the rough up? So the rough wasn't up, but it was thick. Like they have ceded it and ceded it to the point that if your ball's in there, you know, it wasn't long, long.

But there was a couple times where I hit a ball in an area, didn't see my ball, put my bag down, like walk to the, like, where the hell is this thing for a couple minutes? And then my ball was just right near my bag and I just never saw it. So if you were in there, really, really hard to get out of. Also, that course is amazing. So they've shrunk pretty much each fairway on average between 25 and 30 yards. So the fairways are tight like Bethpage everywhere.

I mean, they're just tight, tight, tight. It is going to play so hard. And then... Is it like on the water? So, yes. The last couple holes are. There's Lake Merced that's right there. So when you make the turn 13 and then go 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 14 through 17 are on the lake.

And then 18 comes back to the clubhouse. is on just like a little pond off to the left. I'm not sure what that's called. See that big old bridge from there or what? What, the Golden Gate? Yeah. No, you can't. I like that question, but no.

No? What about Alcatraz? No. Can't see that either. I've never been to San Francisco. I just think of the bridge. Yeah. So they blended the bridge into the logo,

but you can't see the bridge. What about the trees? The trees take every, like, what were we saying about the trees last time? How, like, every ball that goes in there. Like, us typically, our trees around here, they, like, get through it. decent mile.

Oh, it knocks it straight down. Straight down. Every time the trees out there, the ball goes straight down. It's like the trees might as well be a wall. Yeah. They were also saying that in the morning sometimes, like people will hit balls up in the tree and they'll just never come down so they're because they're so thick. Yep.

But when they get a bunch of wind, they fall like acorns to the bottom of the tree. So then they just fall to the bottom. So there's a ton of them. A ton of balls. Yeah. A ton of leftover balls. But 14 through 18 will be a tremendous stretch of golf to watch on TV. Also, a quick note, the ops guy said that Bell Reefs.

was a very small area to host a championship. It was. It was tight. This is 50 acres less. So the ops team is getting crazy, creative to figure it all out, you know, walking areas, where people can go, et cetera. Dude, if Bel-Rieve looked like they were on top of the golfers. It's going to be so loud.

So the front nine is on the inside, the back nine kind of wraps around the outside. And there's a little par three called the Fleming nine, I think, that it's called. Short course. We're big fans of short courses on this here podcast. Oh, yeah, you got to be. So anyways, they'll have some room to work with, but it'll be tight and it'll be loud. It'll be an awesome venue. Because 16's like a drivable par four, 17 great par three, and then 18 is going to be a brutal par four.

So it's going to be a good challenge. I guess it plays at a par 72 usually. They're going to play at a par 70. The guy was like, yeah, can't make it harder. You just take strokes away. I was like, that's one way to think about it. Genius. It's absolutely genius.

Is it public? It's public. It gets over like 90,000 rounds. a year like crazy public oh my god so to think and they only have 10 to 14 days where the course is shut down pre-event so if you think about you know the weekend hack that uses a wedge like a shovel and just rips up the course exactly all right count down like describing the room yes yeah like they got to figure out growth and make sure it's all pristine and perfect damn yeah it's a hell of a project just like walking with this guy chase and and eric up the course um like just hearing them describe it

like what they go through to put these events together and what they're thinking about on a daily basis. It is. Because they've been there for like a couple of years. Don't they go there a couple of years in advance and start getting around and gearing up and all that? Because like think about all the, how many different trucks you see come in,

going out, the carts, how much like the ropes, all of the infrastructure that building. We say it every time, like they build a city. Yes. And then for one week. And then they just take it down afterwards.

But that building of that city takes like legitimately years. And so these ops guys, I can't even imagine with that. Like, that's one of the things I'm worst at. I get, like, anxiety thinking about how big of an event that is. And you're talking about how small it's going to be. They got to be like, where are we going to put all these people? It's 50 acres less than Bel-Reeve.

That's got to be like, I mean, these guys, I'd be so scared. Yeah. The main entrance is literally going to split the, basically the 17th green comes up on the left-hand side. And then you cross the street, and 18th T-Bock is right there. But the main entrance will literally come right between those two things. So, like, people are going to come in and just see the quiet police signs everywhere. But once you're inside, it's going to be epically loud just because everything's in such close proximity. And I think it's going to be an awesome, awesome venue.

Yeah, that's exactly what happened at Belriot, where everyone's like, I can't believe how loud and how energetic and crazy the fans are and seem because everything's so tight. And it's like that at like Marion, too. There's like in Philly. It's like in the city or in the town. So there's no room. I mean, it's just the golf course. And then it's like a neighborhood. or whatever.

So when you don't have and everybody's just like almost claustrophobically packed in it's going to be intense. And then you got Tiger at Belrie when he was fucking making a charge. That was nuts. That was crazy.

Remember when he walked over that bridge afterwards? Yeah. It was like that camera like pans with him and you see the sea of people. It was. It was a sea of people. Jesus Christ. Walking across.

I have to say that you you got to work on your Instagram story slowmos. Yep. Just horrible. The worst execution I've ever seen. Right. So that was pretty much at the end of the trip where I was, like, dead.

And I should have reviewed it before I put it on. You don't do that? I did, but I was just, I was tired. So, you know, your Instagram stories were all over the place. Like, one of them I saw. I tried to make, like, a legit story. One of these people taking my ass. One of them you started where the guy made contact.

It started on that, and it was a two-second story. Well, that's because it doesn't, like, the way Instagram loads, and again, figuring this thing out, yeah. Well, just the very honest, you just got to figure it out. Hold on, no, but you know, the way you load the video, it loads the second one first. We do it all day. And then does, yeah, no, I get it. But it just didn't load the first one.

I was like, shit, and I was trying to refresh because I actually, I thought this normal was going to come up. Because at that point, there was only like 100 people that had seen it. And I was one of them. And I was like, this is going to. I actually said something out of it. Lurch is the worst. So it was a two second story. It was just the finish of a swing.

Yes, I saw that. What a horrible story to put out. Also, I, what one thing. you need to comprehend is on a slow-mo, if you, once you take the slow-mo, right, the very beginning of it, it goes normal speed and then it stops what you have to do, well,

I don't, like, why are you looking to me like that? If your story wants to continue to suck, then don't listen. But otherwise, what you have to do is edit it down to right before, because nobody wants to just watch him waggle for 15 seconds or 30 seconds straight. No, nobody wants to see that. In slow motion,

you want to watch the actual calls Yes. So you have to edit that so that it starts right when he pulls the club back. Right. No. And I should have. It's the reason. We're trying to help.

Yeah. At that point, I was just, I was, you know, I was down, dead and tired at that point. Then what's the point putting that up? I know. I know. I just thought they were, I thought they were good. And then I reviewed him. I was like, oh, man, these are bad.

And then I felt bad about it, especially for my boy Chase, nicest guy in the world that we played with. and my video of his swing was no joke of slow-mo that, like, stopped as soon as he brought it back to his belt buckle. There was one where I had to watch the whole time for 15 seconds. It's like he's standing over the ball in the slow motion. So you can see, like, kind of like his hips moving like an inch really slowly. And then he finally pulls it back. He gets like right to the top and then it ends.

And he didn't put the rest of it in there. So then the next one. I checked out long before that. Yeah. Oh, dude. Then the next one cuts to. I was tapping. to another guy doing the exact same thing,

like standing over the ball, and then it goes from normal speed to slow-mo. Yeah, I did them dirty. It just doesn't. It's no, I mean, it's no shocker to anyone here that Lurches isn't a great social media guy.

But I'll tell you what, the content up until that point I thought was pretty good. Yeah. I don't know. I, um, I just like, I messaged him, Lurch's put up a video. Oh, sorry.

No, it's okay. I just like his hashtags. One of the thing, I just scrolling through Lurchas Twitter. Your hashtag game is unparalleled. Hashtag tennis. Hashtag tennis. Just on one of them.

What was that for? I don't know. Something about the Australian Open. Oh, yeah. It's just, I, like, you don't have to do hashtag tennis. I let hashtag Australian Open. That makes sense because it's like, gets into the, into the whatever. My boy, Dominic team got.

I'm just trying to find another one here. That was frustrating. Hashtag, something about Jim Nance's schedule. You know. Hashtag, I can't wait to be a patron. Hashtag master's. Yes, that's a good one. Hashtag I can't wait to be a patron is all time.

Because you can't. It's one of the worst. It's the only time you ever get called a patron. But like, why is that, that's the worst hashtag. That's awful. But that means you're watching the Masters. Hashtag you're a patron. Do you know what hashtag?

You are literally the only person in Twitter history who is on that. I know, I know, which is impressive. No, you're not. You know what hashtag got a lot of, got a lot of buzz? Is when I posted some picture of me just laying on the ground. I think Frankie took it stretching on Australia. And I wrote hashtag bad body golf.

That got some good love. That's a good hashtag. I mean that you don't, okay. Well, we'll hold this seminar. at another time. At another juncture. Yep. We're not going to do it here.

You did a great job. It was a great weekend. You wanted to piss off your followers. Boy, did you do a great job. I think if you follow me, you know that type of stuff is coming. What's that? I think if you follow me,

some part of you know that might come. I think it's part of your charm? Maybe. Yeah, what you bring to the table is that you bring a bad social media game to the table. That's like kind of you're the guy. But sometimes really good. It's a spectrum game. Never good.

I don't know. Some of that stuff was good. Even to the point, Chris's dad was like, Lurch is pretty fun. But it's funny that how bad you are at the, like, right? I didn't dig into the, it's like laughing with or laughing at. Yeah. Laughing at you.

I'm not saying, I'm not saying, I don't, I think you're funny at you. Yeah. I think you definitely. I think it's a nice little wrinkle, honestly. Like, us three are like pretty well versus social media because we've been working at it, like, for years now. You were just like, you're new to this. You got a few followers. And then it's like, let's just see what this is like.

Let's see what happens when, like, my dad gets 10,000 followers. I like it. We're critiquing you, but I almost wanted to stay pure. Like I regret bringing up the tennis hashtag. No, no. Because I don't want that to stop. Hashtick tennis is good. Good.

I'm glad you still think that. Hashtag golf. Fuck yeah. You know what I mean? What do you think, Frank? You keep hashtagging, bro. What's your like big hashtag? I don't do hashtags.

That question right there, that's what I like. That didn't make any sense. Didn't make a lick of sense. Your dad would ask you that question at dinner. Hey, what's your favorite hashtag? What? I can't remember last time I'm a hashtag. Oh, what's your big hashtag?

Imagine that's your grandma. Keep that like do-eyed look at social media. I love it. I can't remember the last time I hashtag anything. What's your big hashtag? My big hashtag is The Bachelor, but that's just because that's the thing I tweet about. You got to get that in that. You just write hashtag Bachelor?

The Bachelor. That's the same thing as tense. I don't like reading through your tweets and seeing the hashtag The Bachelor. It gets me annoyed. It ticks me off. I love your tweets. It's like you always have to finish you off with The Bachelor. It's like, uh, yeah.

It's like a, it's like you do like a, it's like you do a little thing after. I've never, You fire every tweet and they just go with The Bachelor. I just know. I've just, I've just, I've just always done that. Everyone who treats about The Bachelor, like,

they all do that. It's just like a little like, I'm watching the bachelor. That's what people do when they tweet about tennis. I do this. They write hashtag tennis. No, they don't. A lot of people do it.

So the difference is that. I don't know if we want to tell them the difference. That yours is great. You should keep doing it. That's, that's, that's, yeah. Don't change. Thank you. Hashtag never change.

I might start using that. His eyes lit up. That's a good one. That's a good one. Hashtag sports. Oh, man. Yes. Hashtag Sports.

Jake's about to lose his mind over there. Okay. Let's get in some headlines. Roy McElroy. Interview with this Paul Kimmage. So he's done, Roy's done a few different interviews with this guy. And with the independent,

he does phenomenal interviews. And he kind of just posts the transcript of them for the most part. This one's starting to make a lot of waves in the golf world for Rory basically being open, honest, candid, as we've talked about on this show before. But he kind of begins this piece before he gets into the actual interview with describing like sitting down with Federer, sitting down with Nadal, and how that's been like, okay, you can only ask X amount of questions. You have to slide in some questions about this thing that they're trying to promote. And you can't ask about this or that. And then he kind of tells that anecdote to basically contrast that with Rory, who just sits down and is like, yeah, nothing's off limits what's up.

And they go through and talk about a ton of topics. It's very perspective. It's very honest. A few different things I took away from it that I thought would be great for this show. It was his comments on playing with Tiger in the final group of the 2018 Tour Championship. If you all recall, it's when everybody basically busted through the ropes, followed Tiger and Rory up the 18th hole at Eastlake. Tiger's first win in five years or whatever it was.

And that whole scene, it was emotional. We were going crazy. That was kind of like, holy shit, Tiger Woods is actually going to win a tournament again. And Rory, very clearly, came out and talked about how much that sucked. And you kind of, if you remember, like, he even kind of tapped Tiger at one point. It was like, look behind us, man. And the memories of that from my vantage point were like, wow, Rory's kind of enjoying this. Like, this is, he's just witnessing it.

and it was very cool, I thought, to hear Rory respond in one of the comments he said was, everyone was like, wasn't that a great moment? And I'm like, no, it was fucking shite is what he said. And he went on to be like, it was terrible. I buried the last hole to shoot four over. I got the bigger picture. It was wonderful for golf, and I'll look back and think maybe that was pretty cool, but it hurt.

It really hurt. I was probably the one at Eastlake that day, the only one at Eastlake that day that was disappointed. So to kind of look at that iconic moment, to me, I was like, maybe the most iconic moment in the history of, like, PG-H, tour events, like not majors, but PGA tour events. Yeah. Like probably the most, and Rory being like, yeah, I was the only person in all of Atlanta and the country that.

I would say the world. Yeah, he was like the only one in Eastlake, but it's like everyone felt that way. Everyone was happy except you, which I get. Even like Justin Rose, remember because he had like just won the tour championship. Yeah. So I remember him and Tiger were like buddy, buddy up there. You had Roger Mulpe giving Tiger like a huge fist bump. You had other players stuck around to congratulate Tiger and finally winning.

And you have Rory who comes out and says like, He went on to say, like, this was an opportunity to beat Tiger Woods and go down the stretch with him. He put it in, quote, this mythical creature in the red shirt, and I just didn't get into the right place mentally. He talked more about how, like, this is basically what you grow up to do. Like, I get this chance to play in the final group in a very big golf tournament, Eastlake, tour championship against Tiger Frickin Woods, and I didn't get it done. And he just kind of went into excruciating detail about how much it sucked. He ended up, like, starting a journal after that and, like, realizing that he had to change, like, some things in order to be able to kind of get over that hump and all that.

So I thought that moment out of the whole thing was just the perspective and like the, the how much he kind of looked into the whole thing and has clearly like rattled him to his core since then. Was really cool. He talked about Port Rush. Started a journal. Started a journal. When you get, when some fucks you up emotionally and mentally, you start a journal. You don't start a journal because everything's going great.

No. You're like, what can I, I got to look through this thing and change something. Something I'm doing isn't working. I think he's doing pen and paper journal or he's writing notes. I think when you say, pen and paper. Yeah, when you say journal, it's pen and paper. Well, I guess what's the difference?

You do like a notes app, I guess. A telephone on the iPhone. I think I think he takes out a quill pen and dips it and E. Quail pen, you mean? Quill pen. Quill pen and dipson, lights a candle. That's what I picture when I think someone's really. You kind of have to if you're going through the whole, right?

Because writing a journal is way more, it's not about like the actual, it's way more about like the whole aura and the whole kind of like if he's in off your brain right now yeah you got to do the whole if he says journal and he's talking about his phone that's a huge let that's disgusting that can't be that's just like you're not helping yourself you're tweeting you're tweeting you're like taking notes and I can tell how to do that you're not journaling that's a large specialty yeah hashtag tennis I don't know if I ever told said this but uh I'm so demented I once when I was little started like a little journal where I would draw things and I would write things just in case I died I wanted my family to I think I may have

a movie or something where they picked up the person's journal. I was like, oh, I should do that. You'd be a tough kid to be a parent of it. I was like eight years old, seven years old. I was like, drawn like, I love my mom and daddy and like draw them. And be like, oh, one day if I do pass away or something, they'll, they'll see this. And no, I love them. I was like seven years old.

Jesus. Yeah, you're, yeah, you're a, fuck. You would have been a tough kid to be apparent of. Was it cruel intentions? No, I don't think I was watching that when I was seven. I think there was, um, yeah, probably too. Something I saw on the TV. Toy Story?

Something. I don't know what it was. Story has some messed up finishes. Something triggered my brain to be like, oh, I should leave something for them too. It's just so fucking weird. And demented and dark. I don't know. There's somewhere.

We got to take those up. Yep. I don't want to find those. I would love to tweet those out. Are you kidding me? If you find those burn them. I don't want to see those. Like what a seven-year-old mind to get to the point where it's like to even think like I'm going to die at some point.

I got to start journaling. There's some dark shit in those journals. Like real darkness You don't want to read that? But then, dude You open that up, it's probably like screaming. It's probably like Derek Jeter

or something like a drawn of him. There's probably nothing that. I don't remember. Something apart of my brain just remembers it. Yeah. I don't know. I remember putting it out of my bed being like, they'll look here.

They'll look here. They'll find me here. So fucking dark. Yeah, it is. You know? Great upbringing too. Like nothing wrong. Sure.

All that pizza? Yeah. It was great. She took my parents. My dad won't say the amount of money. But it was, He won big Super Bowl yesterday, so I was really happy for him. I know the number.

It is. It's a good number. It's a large number. Did he parlay a bet? No, boxes. Boxes. Oh, nice. I was like,

I don't, because I wouldn't picture your guy or your dad to put down like 10 grand on the game. No. He's a restaurant. Yes, exactly. Works seven days. I'm interested to know. Work seven days a week.

Still working. 60 years old. Like, you know. Good for him. That's awesome. He got a big chunk of change last night. Going crazy. You don't have to tell me, but what was it?

What was the number to purchase a box? 500 and he hit he hit half time and third quarter so people can't A lot of people doing some math out right now Who cares? Dude, that's amazing

Good for him 100 points It was no money It was points You know Well deserved Denominations Yeah

A chunk of that and buy As many like joke clubs as he can tell Yeah But dude that's like That's just like that's awesome I mean there's There's stores of people Winning fucking like 200 grand

And stuff and whatever But man I remember What's crazy is And I don't want to get into the whole Super Bowl. It's not a football podcast. But going into halftime, we thought it was a done deal. And because it was just going to be zero-zero.

He had zero-zero. And then at the very end, they throw that bomb past a kiddle. And it ends up being a past, offensive pass interference. And they call it back. Horrible call. But that just secured the zero-zero. Had that not been an offensive offense or a touchdown game over. Wow.

Yeah. Good for him. Good for Mr. Borla. He must have been on pins and needles. Pins and needles. Good for him. If you're like us, you're probably trying to get in as much golf time as possible. One thing you definitely don't want to deal with while you are out on the green is a spam call.

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no, no. Like, they look older. They're all like dressed up in New York. Like, I feel like they're so sophisticated here. If they look older, how do you know they're teenagers?

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of them, animal style. No problem. A milkshake. Yeah. And then finish the day with some sort of snack at the course, maybe a Snickers bar or two. And then on the way out had McDonald's. I haven't had McDonald's in forever.

Holy shit. Chicken sandwich, two cheeseburgers, 20 piece McNugget. God, you're, you can eat like nobody. I thought I had you. And then a nice drive home. And I'll tell you what, Sunday morning. when I woke up to play Harding Park. You'd be pooping?

Just. You've been pooping? You've been pooping. I felt so stuffed with sodium that I was like, how am I going to make today work? I mean, I felt awful. Today had six tacos from Taco Bill. In one sitting? Yeah, and washed it down with a full thing of mint chocolate chip ice cream.

Woke up at a bacon, egg, and cheese, and then started my Super Bowl Sunday with dips, and I'm talking all of that many hot dogs and wings. And I just last night I couldn't go to bed I was a volcano My stomach was bubbling into my chest I literally felt like I was having a heart attack And then I also went on Instagram story and saw someone that was at the house with me take a video We're all watching Shakira and JLo They put on a fantastic show and I'm like just sitting back on a recliner just staring at this fucking screen And I saw my face

My face is from the side my face is resting on just a fat net of just like as if there was a fucking like a pillow as if your neck was a pillow your double chin was a pillow my face was just sitting on a pillow or like a lifeboat or something and I'm just sitting there just staring at JLo shaking her head just like oh yeah and I got home that night while my stomach is bubbling and shooting out fucking vomit from my whatever yeah I'm like boy do I need to change my diet boy do I need to change my dad I need to get rid of this fat face I need to to. You know, I have weddings coming up. And you know what someone told me is like this is the most important time? One of my buddies right now is getting in shape that this is the most important time to look good when we're like 26 to 32, 33. All our, because like for the rest of your life, all your friends and even you and your family,

everyone's getting married and there's huge occasions and there's pictures of you. This is supposed to be when you look your best. You can't make excuses, right? Like when you're older. My brother's wedding, I look like a whale. Right. When you're older and you're 50 and 60, your kids are going to be like, oh, let me see what you look like at like Uncle

Whatever's wedding. That's supposed to be like, oh yeah, I was a fucking stud back then. But like right now, if I look like... Well, in our lives are like that to a millionth degree where we're on, we're going to be on camera for this podcast. Like we're going to be looking back on all this and be like, oh boy. That was my prime. When I look back at pictures like on my parents, I'm like, oh my God, you guys were

young and like, you guys are great, vibrant. Like when they look pictures of me from this time, it's like, boy, you were letting yourself go. Terrible. Terrible. Whatever gets you motivated to... It's time to get going here. I mean, I'm the same height as I was in college, and I'm 50 pounds ever here.

Yeah. That's horrible. Yeah. That's gross. Thank you. It wasn't meant to be as it's something that you would thank me for. It's just, you know. I would almost say I was too skinny then, but yeah. Too skinny?

Yeah. I think right now I'm filling out in all the right areas. What do you think, Trent? I think you look great, baby. Thank you. You've never been too skinny. Never at any moment you're like... I was actually on a pretty good run.

I was going to the gym there for a little bit, and man, did this weekend really set me back. Webb Simpson wins the waste management. It's his sixth PGA tour win. Also won the 2012 U.S. Open. Interesting little stat here from Sean Martin. He said Webb Simpson now the seventh ranked player in the world. The other nine members of the top ten,

it doesn't really make sense. The other members of the top ten averaged 306 yards off the tee in 2019. Their average ranking in driving distance was 24th. Webb Simpson averaged 289 yards, ranked 145th in driving distance. So it's kind of nice to see a guy who doesn't necessarily bomb the golf ball out there still being able to compete and be a top 10 ranked player in the world. He won the players championship a couple years ago. Still vanilla pudding. Still very boring.

Airbud comes over and just licks his face. What does that mean? Yeah. Go on. He hasn't ever seen an air bud? No, I never heard of it. Oh my God. What's Airbud?

Does Airbud eat Vanilla pudding? Yes. So, damn, I wish I had got my... Guys, are you kidding me right now? I don't think I've seen it. And if I have, it's been a long time. Jake, you ever see Airbud? Man.

He said yes. Jake said yes. All right, go on. It was a good reference. There's definitely people giving me Callie Daps. Think so? Yeah. He had a hole in one, so that's not vanilla pudding.

Awesome. No. Had a whole in one. I was able to battle through the crowds and all the hoopla that is the waste management. And again, not hitting the bra. ball particularly far, I guess relatively far to the other guys. He's still the fact that he's averaging 289 yards off the T.

He's getting an open. I mean. It's funny because he won, but he's still not the story. That's how boring he is. He's not the story. He's not the story. Tony Fienow is the story. Tony Fienow lost. Webb Simpson didn't win. That's how I look at it. I know that he's still like got it done, made the birdies when Tony didn't. But like, this was Tony's to win. It was, but like, Webb Simpson went out there and stole it from him. It wasn't like Tony Fienau like blew it, I wouldn't say.

Like he, he gave himself whatever it was, a six, eight footer for birdie on the 70 second hole after hitting a 366 yard drive, hit a good wedge in there. And then Webb Simpson just birdied 17 and 18 and the first playoff hole three birdies in a row to like steal the tournament from him. Yeah, for most of the day when you have solo lead, like you can just usually break away or, I mean, it's your tournament to lose when you have the solo lead going. I mean, he had the solo elite. It is, and it isn't, though. I mean, when people are chasing you, though, they're apt to go for a little bit more. You're apt to play a little safer. Yeah, that happens all the time.

I know. That just is what it is. Like, go out and win, keep, stay in the lead, do what they're doing, but ahead of them. Yeah, I mean, look, he clearly didn't get it done. He didn't get the job done. He did not win the golf tournament. I think, like, you know, sometimes you see people hit really horrible shots coming down the stretch or blow it or whatever. Maybe, like, Jack, a really short put, this, that.

I don't know if there's like one moment necessarily that sticks out. Like, yeah, he missed his left to right slider on the, on the 70 second hole for Birdie to win the golf tournament. That it felt like he was going to make it because he had played so well and he was in the lead and he had all the, he's making all the birdies on 16 with the Kobe jerseys on. Awesome. And all of that adding up was like, this is Tony Feeneh out's week. So I definitely agree with that. It was kind of bizarre. Like once he lost, it almost didn't feel like he lost.

It was like, no, he's going to win. Webb Simpson has like been. He doesn't get any of the coverage. He's boring. He's vanilla pudding, whatever we want to call. There's no way he's just going to, like, be the story and win the golf tournament. I couldn't believe he made that put on 18. Yeah.

I mean, it's waste management, like you said earlier, like, this always goes into a playoff. It feels like on Super Bowl Sunday. But when he made that put on 18, I was like, Phenau's going to lose. Finow's going to fucking lose. Fianow is going to be heartbroken again. Again, Colby's been betting on Tony Fee now to win every time since really, like, we started this golf podcast three years ago. And Tony Fino, in the last four seasons on the PGA tour,

89 starts. He has six runner-up finishes, 15 top-fives, 28 top-tens, and 47 top-25s. I'm looking at it right now. He's made 18.1 million. So things are going really well for Tony Fianow. Zero wins in that stretch. He just can't win. He just doesn't win. That's six-runner-up number. I would have said it was like 15. Yeah, I think the 28 top tens is like in the fact that he's up to, I think, 12th ranked player in the world. he's on, you know, Rider Cup, President's Cup teams and plays well. It does feel like every event you see Tony Fiener. And what comes with a lot of those top tens is that, like, at some point over that four-day tournament,

when you finish top 10, there's a good chance that you're at the lead or near the top, right? Like if you finish eighth, there's a good chance that, like, at the 54 whole point, you were, like, second. Or at one point in the Friday round, you, like, made four birdies in a row to take the lead in the tournament. Right, right. So it feels like he has been right there and won or should have won or finished runner-up even more than he has, unless you're like Rory who backed or top-tops all the time. Usually when you finish top ten, like you at some point in the shuffle had a very good chance or you were at the top of the leaderboard or whatever.

So him having 28 top tens in the last 89 starts is a ridiculous number. Even 15 top fives, top fives he's got, he's right there. Justin Ray tweeted out most top ten on people. DJ 24 seasons, number wins in that same parentheses. So essentially, Justin Thomas, who has 33 top tens, he's got 11 wins. Rom with 30 top tens. He's got three wins. Rory with 30.

He's got five wins. DJ with 28. He's got eight wins. Tony Fienow also with 28. He has zero wins. Oh, God. That really puts it in perspective. Yeah, that does.

It's like if you have that many, you just win a lot. Yes. Right. Unless you're Tony Fien. You win some. Like, you just have to win some because you're just in the mix. Like you're not going to be Justin Thomas, who's at like a 33% clip. Yeah.

But at least you're going to win. I mean, at least one. You'd think. Or two? I mean, the Masters last year was in front of everybody's face. Having zero? Yeah. I mean, you're making good money, but you can't feel that accomplished.

No, because you want, I mean, that's, you know, you stack those wins up. That's like people when you, if you have a golf channel gig in 20 years afterwards, they introduce you as like seven-time BGA tour winner. They don't introduce you as like 32 top tens, right? Right. It's like, right. And you've got to take advantage of stretches like this where you like, you got to pile up a couple wins. 20 feet now has not gotten any.

Right, because winning is so difficult. Playing like this well, this consistently is so, so difficult. He's doing it, yet just not winning. So it's got to be infuriating for him. He said it's a bitter week, a bitter week as I look back on it. Hats off the web, a couple of bribes coming home, and if you're going to get beat, that's how it should happen. I definitely didn't give him the tournament.

He took the lead from me early and I got it late, but unfortunately it's how the cookie crumbles today. So again, it was one of those, like, it never felt like he wasn't going to win until Webb Simpson made that pus. And then it was almost like, wait a second. He should still have a chance. Yeah, it was like, wait. How is he not going to win now?

And then, yeah, it was weird. It was kind of weird the way it went down. That's how the cookie crumbles. I've never seen someone actually use that. Really? Outside of Jim Carrey. I've seen people like use it. Like we, like I would, people say that almost in a joking tone.

I've never seen someone actually use it in earnest. Got it. That's kind of nice. Yeah. I agree with you on that. That's how the cookie crumbles today. Yeah, because you'll write that in a text, but like just the jokingly matter. Tony Fian and I was like, yeah, Webb Simpson made two berries.

and that's how the cookie crumbling. You know? Yeah. This is nice. That is nice. The odd thing about that, um, that little,

that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that,

that, you never really know how the cookie is going to crumble. For the, if, if it's a good cookie, it's not going to crumble. Well, I think that's part of the line.

Is it right? Yeah, like, that's how the cookie crumbles. Like, you don't know, that's how it happens. I thought he's meaning like, that's just like,

when you eat it's going to crumble and like, that is like, I just feel like you never know what kind of crumble you're going to get. It's not like a nature valley bar where you know this fuck is going to crumble. Right. But it's like, what it's a gooey cookie. It doesn't crumble at all.

It's perfect. But I think that's, maybe that's what they're saying. He's thinking of like an old cookie. Like a hard, crusty cookie. Right? I think the other way that this one crumbled for him was like an old crusty cookie.

I think it's the unpredictability. He's going to do. Exactly. Chips of Hoy's crumbled. I'm thinking of like a homemade cookie. That shit ain't crumbling. No. Well,

we don't know. Yeah. I hate that saying. That's the way the cookie crumbles. The amount of times we're going to start saying that now. Yeah. I can't wait. Like Frankie Blades went over the green.

We're just like, that's the way the cookie crumbles. We're in a wild car spoutre spots. The Metro is insane. It's insane. I mean, who the fuck ever assumed that the Columbus Blue Jackets fall out of it now? Well, we have three games in hands. It's just not fair to say that they're in a wildcar spot because they haven't played the games that are, the teams are ahead of them. But it's amazing.

Trent, shout to you. Ted golf with this guy, Nolan. loves you for comments like exactly the way you just said it. What? What? That's fantastic. Shout out to Nolan. Yep.

Big fan of that guy. Good golfer. Are the Aalmers outside of a playoff spot right now? No, we're in a playoff spot. We're outside of the division top three though. Look, I love the Ailer's. I don't want to see them. Are they been playing bad hockey?

They've been playing like 500 hockey for the past month and it's just not good enough when the teams around you win every single night. Pittsburgh wins every single night. Columbus Blue Jackets lost Panerrin and Bobowski. they win every single night. That's where Torrella is Philadelphia is right there. Torrella makes so much with so little. It's crazy.

When he has talent, he has a worst team. When he doesn't have talent, he's a playoff. Capitals haven't lost in seven months. It does feel that way. Yeah, they have. Rangers are. Well, everybody knows that. Rangers suck.

People are going crazy that they shut out the Red Wings. Yeah, I know. Red Wings are one of the worst professional sports teams. Hendrick Lunk was shut out the Red Wings. Not kidding. Like, NHL. No, that was Igor. No, I thought that was Hector.

I thought Igor, they gave him a hat for a different night, which was big. A little update here on goal differential in the NHL. The Detroit Red Wings are the worst goal differential in the NHL at minus 93. The second worst is at minus 48. What's the best, the Capitals? Capitals are plus 35. The Pittsburgh Penguins are plus 34. The Boston Bruins are plus 40.

Tampa Bay plus 43. And nobody in the West is close. Colorado's plus 33. That's very good. I always have a tough stretch here too. It's tough, real, real tough. It's real tough. Yeah, real tough.

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Yeah. We can't get into that type of war. It's an insanely slippery slope. I don't think any of us want to go down. No. The USGA and the RNA's joint distance report is coming out on Tuesday. So there's long been a very serious debate in the world of golf about distance, dialing back to golf,

equipment, what can you do? A lot of different reasons. One of them being that, I mean, Tony Fee now hit a 366-yard drive on the 18th hole yesterday. If guys are hitting the ball that far, there's almost no way to defend a golf course. And it's really becomes a problem of there's a finite amount of land on planet Earth, especially a lot of golf course, a lot of sites. Lurch was talking about Harding Park earlier and how tight that already is. So if you want to make these courses, a lot of these iconic courses around the world, able to host serious major golf tournaments, they need to have an unreal amount of land.

We're talking 8,000-yard courses. You've heard all those numbers, and they're only continuing to hit the ball further and further, so they're going to have to get longer or longer. You run out of land. It kind of changes the whole way. A lot of the classic, especially courses that were built in the early 1900s,

all that stuff. So a lot of folks have been saying, why don't you just roll the golf ball back? They're saying, I guess, technologically, you can just like dial it back by percentage. I think you could put restrictions on it. You know, the golf ball has a certain amount of just the way that it's made

where it's not going to jump as much. It's not going to be as fire. You're going to lose 10%, 20%, whatever. That would bring all the yards back. It won't change anything else. And that's long been sort of the route that a lot of people, especially like course architecture geeks and whatnot, want to go so that you can bring a lot of the classic golf courses

back into play. You don't have to add a million T-boxes, all that. USGA and RNA for years have been doing a report on distance, have been collecting all kinds of data information for over decades, over really centuries about how distance has really truly affected it. Is it that they're better athletes? Is it that the golf ball is too well designed now? Is it that the drivers and the 460 C.

What is it? This whole report comes out tomorrow. That's really the gist. And again, the USGA and the RNA have been working on this together. It will be interesting to see what they're. come up with. A lot of people think there'll be kind of two different methods, one for like the PGA tour or the pro golf and one for amateur golfers, because let's be honest, we need as much help

as we can get. Tons, yeah. Golf's better for all of us when, like, it's just easier. So I think they would adjust, like, like, courses that are already? Or amateurs could play with a good ball, but championship golf would be under this, you know, restricted ball that wouldn't go as far, so then the courses are all in play. You can still play them because if they gave us a championship ball, I'd be driving at 210. then talked.

Yeah, actually, we did talk about this when we were talking about the possible things that we brought this up before. We said, like, there's going to be hardest out there that play with the championship ball. Right. Yeah. We did a whole bit on, like, yeah. And that's, they're going to be the worst people in the world. And then there's actually going to be a debate where it's like, oh, I played a championship

ball. Correct. And all you beat me, but you're using a regular ball. Yes. Fuck your face. Yes. That's the last time you talk to that person. Totally.

Like, if I could use the putter from Caddyshack that just knocked it in every time, I would use that putter. Same. If you use the championship ball Don't talk to me No unless you're on tour Don't talk to lose my number Lose my number

That would be It would feel like when we were in Australia You had to do like the 10% calculation Every time Yeah Because the meters to yardage You'd have to do that the whole freaking And yeah

So I don't like the ball thing Because I know it's going to be a problem I know we're going to create monsters Like I just said And there's always There's going to be a stigma now around the game Just like we're trying to take the stigma around the game it's going to go, you need to play this way

or you need to play that way. You need to do certain things. There's going to be a ball stigma. Why are we creating more restrictions for amateur golfers? Why are we making it like, oh, you play the sport, but you don't get to play it the way the pros play it. Enough. We should be moving the other way.

Land is hard. Like land is not as easy as other sports. Pro golf should be wearing a hats backwards and wearing t-shirts. This would be the opposite. We shouldn't be saying they do a certain sport and we do another. It should be the opposite. But I don't know that it's, it's, I don't think those two things are the same thing. There will be.

I don't think like playing a championship, like in, And it's like in baseball, like metal, wooden bat. Like, it's not, that doesn't mean like you're just a total hardo, like, asshole. It's like the same way that wearing a bag or whatever's had to listen to music of this. That I think it's more like there's just a very logical argument for if we have to keep expanding golf courses. You have to water more grass. It becomes like less sustainable to have to do that over time. So at some point, you're going to have to just do something about it.

Do TPC, I think they added 80 or 90 T-boxes? Like that's just Harding Park Sorry, TPC Hardin Park I think they added 90 T-Boxes What is the official problem with guys hitting the ball? Why can't they just hit the ball closer to the green? Well, I mean, that's what Harding Park's done And then just reduce the par number from 72 to 70

But I think the argument for them not hitting closer to the green Is because the way courses are designed With like the bunkering and where fairway bunkers are And then the shot that they want have players To come into the green are just being taken out of play So, like, the way the course was being designed to play back in the day is now, like, Tony Fienow drives at 3.30 instead of 280. Right. Like, look at 13 in Augusta, for example.

Like, there's been, Augusta literally bought, like, 70 yards of land behind that for millions and millions of dollars. And the argument for, like, expanding that hole and lengthening it is that it was designed by Alice McKinsey, Bobby Jones, to, like, have guys hit a good drive. And if they hit a good drive, then they have, like, a long. iron or maybe even a wood in their hand on like a hook lie that they have to hit with a creek running down the right into like a ship whereas now bubble watson like rips a 340 yard drive he has like a pitching wedge in and that the argument is just like the way that the courses are designed in order to hold the integrity of that design you have to then expand the golf courses by 50 or 100 yards and that's at some level not sustainable so the theory is to do something at some point

before it gets too out of hand. A lot of people argue that already is out of hand. And, like, I think that if guys can just bomb drive 350 every time and have a wedge in, then you can't defend the golf course, and you're going to have guys shooting, like, 20 or 25 under at majors, which I think people don't like. And that's really kind of the crux of the issue.

Gotcha. I mean, I think also... Makes sense. Yeah. It's also, it's like an integrity of, like, the golf course thing, which sounds kind of weird and, like, I don't know. I know what you mean, but it is It sounds pretentious where it's like these fucking

Architects designed it. It's like, oh Tony Phoenix hits a ball too far, sorry. Yeah, the fair way. Definitely. I mean, it's like, we designed it to be harder than this. It's like, well, I mean, we evolved and Tony Finno's hitting absolute bombs right in your face. Right. Don't get mad at him. And we're dealing with the definitely, definitely, right? Like, most of, it's just like, it's mostly just

amateur golf that it doesn't matter. Like, correct. That's like, Brandl has been fighting this fight for years on Twitter of like, we're talking about something that really actually affect. like 100 golfers. Correct. In the whole world.

Right. So it's like, and I get that it feels bigger than that because it's the sport, but like for the most part, it doesn't matter to us. My dad's teeing up balls in the fairway because he already can't reach them.

That's the right way to do. Like, you know what I mean? Like it doesn't matter for anyone else but Tony Feina and we've got. We played a title holes from the back at Harding. I think the fourth hole I want to say is a par four that's 600 yards and like a dog leg left.

But it only goes like 100 yards out before it like. flashes to the left. So you have to hit this towering drive, draw over trees. And like that whole is just impossible. Yeah. Like for us, like everything is still in play. Oh, yeah. Like nothing is taken out of play.

The way you built it 150 years ago, boys is perfect. You literally don't tip out golf courses because they're too harder. Yes. Right. They already have the length that we won't go to. And that is like that you've just hit on what I think has been like the main counter argument, which is like, we're just getting good. This like one week a year for the major is just tighten the.

those fairways up, throw the rough out like crazy, and let them have their cool challenge, and you can have them all shoot over par, and then cut it all back down. And the rest of the 51 weeks or the year, like, we're just going to do what we do. And, like, that wise there need to be two different things. If they end up releasing a new ball, don't ever put it in a rotation or on the market, because I don't want that guy who shows up with the bright, vibrant pants, who's like, I'm going to tip it out today, boys, and then takes out his fucking tour championship ball because I'm going to end up murdering someone and I'm going to be in jail and I really don't want to go to jail.

No, yeah, we don't want you in jail. I'll get so angry if I go to a golf course and this guy's like, I'm going to use the Can you imagine if you go with a buddy and you're like, oh, we're going to play like the blues or whatever? And he's like, no, I'm going to play the blacks and I also have this championship ball. It's like, you're waiting on him and then he just sucks too. Or if he's like, yeah, I'll play the blues of you, but I'm going to use the championship ball then I'm going to use the championship ball.

Sorry, then I'm going to make your heart stop beating. That's going to suck, bro. It's going to suck. Yeah. Just let them do it. Don't let it be, don't let anyone else get the ball. Just when they show up to the driver range, that's the only time that they're allowed to. It would be worse if he didn't, if the guy didn't tell you, and then at the end of the round.

By the way, I used that tour championship ball. Do you notice I wasn't hitting this Friday night? It's because I'm using a championship ball. That is Pukes City. That reportably interesting. We'll see. Yes. comes out tomorrow.

I don't know that a lot's going to come from it right away. I think a lot of it's like this is just kind of what we have found. Now what do we do about it will be like a feedback period similar to what it was with with the putter band. Remember that, the long putter? And they kind of did a like whatever months of like feedback and then kind of went with the rule. So tomorrow is like the official ruling tomorrow? No, tomorrow is the report is coming out.

Or today when the podcast comes out? Yes. Sorry. Tuesday, I believe is when just the report comes out. Okay. They're just reporting. It's like the Mitchell Report. You guys remember the Mitchell Report?

Of course. Shit was crazy. So crazy. Yeah. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, that was steroids? Yeah. Okay. Yep.

Yep. My brain's been bad, man. I think it's been good today. I've been playing brain games. Chess, connect four. Trying to stay sharp. Yeah. I just like, I think your brain's been good today.

Yeah? Yeah. You ever do Sudoku? Yeah, I've done Sudoku. Great game. It's tough. I don't do Sudoku because my brain legitimately doesn't. does not understand what's happening.

I'm not even kidding. I look at that and I'm just like, I've tried it in earnest. And it's like, nope, that's not me. I think you open another of a Sudoku book and you have the exact Tiger reaction when he asked you. I do. Yeah. I do. It's just like, I see people playing this game and it's like you guys are aliens or something.

I hung out with a girl that would do experts at Oku in like five minutes. It's like what are you doing? How do you do you see it? It's like she's, uh, what the hell, Russell Crowe, that movie were American man. No. Oh. No. Nope. Go with me. Go with me.

Beautiful mind? Yes. Thank you. I made a beautiful mind reference a couple weeks ago on radio. Nobody knew what I was talking about. Come on. Yeah, I made that when they're at the bar and he comes up with like his theory about how nobody goes after the most desirable chick, like the 10 out of 10 because then nobody will get laid because you all fail going after. Yes.

So you all go after her friends underneath. And actually that would be more likely that someone would eventually get her because she'll be like what the hell is going on. And it was the whole thing. I brought that up on radio and a phenomenal reference. and nobody knew what the hell was talking about. I know the movie, but I wouldn't be able to pull a reference like that. Really?

No, yeah. I definitely know the name of the movie and who's involved, but I couldn't pull something like that. Yeah, he kind of like one of the main pillars of like his whole, a beautiful mind and his genius and theory stuff

comes from when he's at the bar and realizing everybody failed because they're all going after the hottest chick. Gotcha. Where if they would all go after like the second, third, fourth hottest chicks, they'd all be significantly more successful and they would also all have a more likely chance

of actually landing the hottest chick. Dude, Russell Crow was incredible in that movie. Really good. Incredible. Yeah, he's a good actor. Speaking of a movie, remember I brought up that... He was just thinking when he plays like the geek, you know? Right up by the...

He's actually pretty sick at acting. Gladiator. Remember that Blockbuster movie game I told you guys about? I had a ton of comments and DMs and stuff. People were playing it this weekend. I mean, they should pay me for that, which is crazy. Because we shouldn't do any free ads, but it's such a good game that had to talk about it. What do you guys think about this?

Actually, my friends told me I forgot to ask you guys. this was like one of the biggest points of contention for the entire night. I brought up how we didn't allow the use of the word the, when we were talking about movies that start with the letter S. Another thing was we were doing one where you're trying to get the person to guess by saying one word and the movie and the word that was used. So the movie was Babe. You remember, you know, the movie with the pig?

All the kid had to say was pig. But unfortunately, he said Ruth, right? Yeah. And my girlfriend actually screams out, Babe Ruth. Now, is that allowed? Now, in charades, you're just trying to get the person to say the word. That's all you're trying to do. Or, like, in games like that.

She said, Babe Ruth. But she didn't mean the real answer. She didn't. I wouldn't count it. Would not count that. She said the word. Babe Ruth is different than Babe. That's just, by the movie is called Babe.

She said it. Right. You should have seen me. I was like, I was like doing like, basically I was a fucking lawyer. I'm like, what's the movie called? They're like, Babe. I'm like, what is the first word she said? It's over.

She won. No. She won. Why? She didn't meet it. He did. He didn't mean her. Who cares?

He wanted stones and you said rolling. In charades you're like, in like games you're like, oh, or in like games you're like TV, like TV. You don't know, you don't know what you're like saying. I guess if your goal is to just get her to say the word, babe. Then how did you not succeed? Right. Yeah. She quite literally succeeded.

Well, let me ask you this. The guy who said Ruth was that his intention? For her to just say babe. See that? So then you give her the. one of these. You're out. Short it up.

Shorten it. Yeah. The problem is we went on to the next one. She says baby you's tackle it. And we were like, well, is that good? Yeah. They said no chance. And I was like, well, let me tell you something.

But if you would have been on the other side of that, you would be with their saying. Oh, yeah. I would have lost your mom. Yeah. So that's why you're possible to play game for you. No, that's right. If you flip the scenario, you'd be like, well, she didn't mean the movie, babe. So she said the baseball words should not come into account.

Frankie only plays games that are called like I win. Like, you know, those shots? No, no, I win. You're like, you're like, you're like, big daddy. I win. That's exactly what I was. Yeah, that's exactly right. And Adam Sanders is shaking his head.

There's nothing I can't do about. I can't not win. That's where people get with Frankie. Like, I guess, I didn't win that debate. I didn't win that debate. They didn't let me take that one. They didn't let me take that one. They got a ring.

You know you didn't deserve it. So you know. I genuinely do think that at the end of the day, she said the word babe. And like, you're just doing everything you can to get that name. Out of all the words in the world, she said the word that is the movie, right? Right. He got her to say the word, babe. Just freggy and his girlfriend get in the Uber, and he's just like, can you believe those people?

Can you fucking believe him? He's doing. Just absolutely stewing. Then I was like, how the hell does he say Ruth? How do you not say pig? How do you not say pig? It's a movie game. See, your problem is isn't even that you're upset about Babe Ruth.

It's more upset than he didn't say the right word up front. That's he gets to the, he's a tornado. She followed up, she goes, you didn't even know what the fuck I see dead people are. And I'm like. I'm like, excuse me, sir, pull the Uber over. I'm going to get out right here. I just walked home. Oh, my God.

Oh, my gosh. That's just a ticking time, Bob. Jordan Speed missed a cut at the waste management. A lot going on with Speed. He had, you know, Speed's kind of up there with Rory in terms of he's candid. He's open about his game always has been, and just about a lot of stuff, which is part of the reason that we love him. He said the frustration was just Will. I really wanted it.

I wanted to play the weekend. I had a bunch of buddies coming down. This was just sad when I read this. I had a bunch of buddies coming down, and I wanted to give them something to watch the next couple days. When he said, like, I had buddies coming down, and I didn't make the cut, that honestly made me sad. And then there was some pretty good insight.

This piece says he strengthened his grip by some five degrees and they're working on getting his shaft flatter with a very close club face in his back swing. This makes his accuracy into the greens Friday, perhaps even more impressive. He had a very good day hitting greens a day. But the flip side of that is there could be some radic golf. He went on and say, this is something that takes two to three months to nail down.

It's an unusual feeling for me, and it's been difficult to trust, especially without having my grip in the perfect place. I miss a lot of left shots given the grip. My hands are pretty good, and I'll be able to figure it out in a couple of weeks. But I did it with the idea that we have a couple of months before the first major. So just hearing him there talk about, you know, it's going to take two or three months to change your grip and all that makes me know that we have no chance ever of being good. Like he's going to be playing golf and at the range and grinding and he's already one of the best players, you know, in the world. And it's still going to take him two to three months to, like, feel comfortable with something. Like, how are we supposed to ever change it?

I'll be honest. I changed my grip and it worked instantly. Right. True. But, like, you're still not like breaking 100. No. But it worked. Yeah.

But let's focus on one thing. It worked instantly. I definitely said that as a joke and it landed as serious. So that was the first problem with that. Okay. Because I wanted to be like Jordan Spieth, like get together, pal. Sorry. But yeah.

I thought you were dead serious. No, I was not. I was not. I was not going with you. I took it is dead serious. And I agree with you. Well, it's to be fair. I did it change right away.

When kids are talking about it was serious. No, it was. As soon as you guys didn't react, I was like, I fucked that up so bad. But you know what I like about speed and you compared him to Rory a little bit in terms of like what they talk about? I think you could ask speed the question and walk away and he'd still answer it. Like I think like he, like, Roy gives like really thoughtful answer. Spieth is just one. to say something. He wants to tell you. And he just, and I like that about him because he says

interesting shit like that. He's just always thinking about stuff and I think he wants to tell people about it. Yeah, you mean like you can almost just like light the fuse and walk away. Yeah. And he's still going to just go off. I think it's great because you get interesting stuff like it's going to take a while for that grip to actually work. Yeah. And it is. It's insightful. Like to think, and then like every time they cut to speech now on the coverage over the next month or two, I'm going to think in my head like, wow, he's holding that club five degrees. That's got a few. You know, it gives you something of like he's grinding over it, which we all do. Yeah. Also, when you make comments like this, it makes, like, the fans, like, compassionate.

For sure. Like, he's very open, honest about his game and, like, you know, where he was. He was at the pinnacle. And now he's, like, falling off. And he's just trying to figure out why. It's far less interesting for somebody to be like, yeah, it comes easy to me. Like, I just know what I'm doing. Or just, like, blocking people out and not being open about it and being like, no, no, like, you don't understand.

Like, I'm doing this, this and this. And, like, we'll be back. But, like, you know, in his words here. He's getting granular and being, like, I'm five degrees. I'm going to try and get into work, but it's probably not going to work for a couple months. Yeah, totally. And like bringing his buddies in town, but I wanted for something for them to be fun and like him and have it be a great weekend. Like all that stuff.

You're like, come on, Spree. Yep. That reminds me of another. Spaff. Jordan Spath. Of another incredibly insightful part of the Rory interview, which if you haven't read it, you go to the independent. You click, it's actually free. You have to give them your email and sign up, but it's free.

It's not a paywall. It's just free. So check that out. But they're talking about Rory's getting in depth. about his putting. And he's saying, you know, there was a stretch where, like, I knew I was the best player in the world, but putting me back, and I just couldn't figure out what the difference was. And, like, and he works with Brad Faxx at now. And he said the first day, they had, like, a couple hour session on the practice cream. And he said, Brad Faxx, they talked for,

like, a half hour or something just, like, about stuff. And he said, Roy said that, you know, every other part of my game is, like, free flowing and I rely on feel. And I always consider myself, like, a loose, like, feel player. And he's like, putting is the opposite. I always consider myself, like, wooden and, like, trying to figure this out. He said Brad Faxx had him go out with his putter, I think a wedge and a five wood, and hit three putts with each one from, like, eight feet. And he said, the putter he made one. With the wedge, he made two, and with the five wood, he made all three.

Interesting. And Bradfax is like, now the reason I made you do that is because I know in your head you're thinking all time about, like, the loft and the technical aspect. of like the what's my lie angle and all this that and he's like you took all that of it i mean your five wood has 19 degrees of loft and you just made three in a row from eight feet he's like that's because it's instinctual and you need to be like instinctual with his putting the next week rory went out at bay hill that year when he made everything had like the best putting year of his career and won by like four or five shots isn't that crazy fact it's a fucking wizard just a wizard

yeah it's just like mentally freeing somebody up yeah you know it'd be like taking frankie and working with him some unschooling whatever's done though yeah it gets open it up of that journal. Yeah, like, I don't know what he'd do for you because there's not much talent there, but like, in this case, it's amazing. Right. Dealing with the most talent. Exactly.

And you're just all, like, he's just all in his own head. And then you just do a couple drills and boom. But even like, yeah, the way he talks about is like, you can't just tell yourself to, like, break down those walls that are stopping you from doing it. You have to, like, come at it from another approach. It has to be proven to you that, like, they can be broken down. Yes. And you're putting with that three when it's like, I can do this.

I just do it on your club. You don't know why you're putting with him through. You're just like, I guess he told me to do what I'm doing it. And then when he kind of peels it all back and is like, this is why that happened. You're like, oh. Yeah. Okay. And from Roy's side, too, like, when you're doing a drill like that and like you have a coach and everybody's had a coach where like, dude, screw this guy.

Like this is some crazy drill. Like this is worthless. But Rory clearly wanted to fix this like to the 10th degree and to do these drills and like care about them and then make it. And then like hear his feedback and then go with that. You know, it's shout to him too. Yeah. It's very cool. And Rory, I mean, reading that stuff, too, he talked a lot about, he talked a lot about like Augusta and the Patrick Reed.

Remember when Rory said the night before that, like, he's the one that's, he's the one out there trying to win, like, his first major, like, trying to put all the pressure on him on Patrick Reed. And the guy asked Rory about that. Roy's like, yeah, no, that's like exactly what I was trying to do. It was like trying to take the pressure off of me and put it on him. He tells a story about how he walked up to the first T that Sunday. one of the starters who's clearly got to be like an Augusta member that one of the starters when he shook his hand and the starter looked him right in the eye and was like we're all

pulling for you today. Oh, gee. Yeah. Holy heck. And how Rory was like an eye like honestly up to that like those points like that makes you as much as I tried to deflect the pressure. He's like all that stuff makes you very much realize that like it, my deflection attempts were not successful.

And like pressure affects all of us and like expectations and all this that. He talked about that with the poor rush comment. Where he was like, you're walking in, and it feels like you're a boxer going in there, and there's a huge ovation. People expect all these things, and then it's fucking, it's over like that. He's crazy, like, hearing him talk about that. He's like, I was on the range, striping the golf ball. Yeah. I'm on the putting green.

I shook my boy's hand. I walk. Everything's totally normal, totally cool. I walk right on the first tee and, like, Harry died, who's his cat? He's like, I asked him, like, am I going to hit four iron? And Harry's looking at me like, what do you talk about? We haven't talked about anything four iron, like, ever. Like, what are you talking about?

Yeah. He's, like, pulled two iron and hits it out of bounds. quad or whatever and misses the cut. But it's like everything just kind of happened. So very insightful. A lot of a lot of good stuff in there. We are done for today. Anybody have anything else?

We were talking about Speeth before. And like it's crazy the last three years when you look at like compared to someone like Tony Feena. Like in 2018, if you asked who would you rather be right now, Tony Feeneau or Jordan Speed? It's like no doubt about it, Jordan Speeth. He had just come off 2017 making close to $10 million. on a PGA tour three wins and 12 top tens I mean he won the open he won the pro

am he won the travelers it was like on top of the world and then the next three years the last three recent years 20 feet now has made 10 million dollars or like this is all just rounding numbers trying in my head and and um can't imagine how that's going and speed is like around five million he's doubled his earnings over the last three years and 20 phenos just been in the mix while jordan speed is spiraling down so the question is like if you like like like like right Right now, who would you rather be? Like, if you had to... Money aside, because he's made double the amount of money, right?

Like, Jordan Spee's made $40 million. He's got the majors, too. He's got the majors, but, like, Tony Fiena is just enjoying being a golfer right now so much more for the last three years than Spieth. You don't think so? Yeah, I just think Rory... Or speed's, like, ceiling is higher. You think so? I just do, based on...

I mean, the guy's got three major championships, like, it's such a young age. But you're right, you could, like... It's riskier. Tony Feehanow feels like you're taking a Ferrari out, though. It just feels like a... Like being able to play like him would be so much fun. It also feels like with Tony, you're taking like a $5 million salary for the next like 10 years.

Yeah, right. Since 2018, Tony's just blown Speed out of the water money-wise. And you don't have to change anything. You're just Tony. You're tall. You've got your like compact little swing.

And nothing is going to change. It just seems like he enjoys the game. Like we always talk about every time we see Speed at one of these events, he's like grinding. I think that like wears on him. Grinding. You follow Speed for like 30 seconds. My buddy showed up.

This is horrible. It's like Tony's out there in a freaking Kobe jersey. Like playing his freaking dick off. Yeah. If you follow speed for a minute at a golf tournament, you're like, this is like. Stressful. Yeah, it's stressful. He's a bit of a headcase.

He's always like trying to work on things. Yeah, Fina, we played behind him. Where were we at? What was that? Spyglass, yeah. That's the same morning that we had the, then we went to Paso Teapel. We played behind him with SpyGlass. He was playing with Danny Ais.

And he was just, he'd hit it. He'd hit it. He'd hit a wedge in. putting was a little shaky, but he was just like, it was almost easy for him. And Speeth is out there like, what do I do out here? It's really stressful, Steve, too, and you tell his coach to get out of the way when he's right in front of you. And he's got like a ghost mask on of sunscreen. Yeah, Cameron McCormick almost snatched your soul.

I think he literally has a portion of my soul. I became a whore crux for Jordan Speeth's coach. I'd like to give one shout out to a guy named Sean played golf with. I did him a little dirty in my amazing pieces of content. I called him Mr. Sean Rom because he has a very short. short swing. Okay. He's a fantastic guy, different type of personality.

So I just wanted to correct, maybe write that wrong, if you will. You know what I mean? Yeah, I want to make a comment about the guys you played with. That guy, Chris, who said that I was going to be fucked in the first hole. I don't like his glasses. Dude, he is the most fun golfer to play with the world. He's fun and a really good dude. Yeah.

I don't like the glasses. I mean, if you start walking around with... I don't like the glass. I don't like clear glasses. I don't like them on anyone. That's fair. I think we should just be... I think you're trying to be like a keynote speaker for like Apple or something.

I mean, you know, I'm not trying to shred the guy. I don't like the glass. That's fine. Everybody's entitled to their opinion. I'm not here to, you know, pick aside. I'm just saying, like, I think you should be careful. That's just something I noticed on your Instagram stories. With what if, like, he started picking out, like, right.

It's taking pictures of each other. Exactly. Okay. It is. That's true. It's just a dangerous game. It's just something I don't like. There was a fighter.

I think you don't like him because he said you're so fucked on this first two. True. And I think there's some, and you hold grudges as well as anybody. Despise that guy. Yeah. You know who else? the guy, Jordan, Justin, Justin. And were you fucked on the first hole?

What'd you shoot? I don't even know if I took a score on the first hole. What'd you shoot on the 18th, though? I don't remember. Over 100? Oh, yeah. Okay. I think this is the same terminology that got us in trouble with Justin Thomas, by the way.

Would you shoot on one? What did you shoot on 18? What did you make? I meant what you shoot like on the day. You say something about Justin Bieber? What did you make on the day? Justin Bieber's pastor. he wears those glasses.

The hot past there. Carl Lents. Carl Lens. Hot Past. You were upset when I wore those glasses in here the other day. Yeah, I don't like, dude, I don't like them. I don't like the clear glasses. Tommy Smokes tried to wear him.

So what about his? Yeah, I remember that. No, I'm talking, the lenses are all clear. It's like, they're trying to act like they're not wearing this huge thing on their face by making them completely clear. Meanwhile, you just see all this plastic all over their eyes. You mean clear like, like as in the frames and everything? Frame and everything is clear. Yeah, those.

Yeah. Me and Caleb Presley's son, Chance the Rapper's manager. Yeah. He wears dresses like this. They look ridiculous. Yeah. I'm sorry. There was a fighter at Rufferati on Friday night whose name was John Romm.

Why are you not allowed to say, would you shoot on the hole? It is, I think what did you? If you say I shot a six on the hole, I think that's considered like your. It's the air, just a tad weird. Is it technically correct? I shot a, like, what did you shoot? I shot a six. Well, I think when someone says, what do they shoot?

They're asking for 18 holes. Okay. What's the difference between that and one hole? But it's just the language. I shot a 93. I shot a 9. Well, because like when we finish up the fifth hole, I'm like, what'd you make? If I ask you, what you should?

I understand that. I'm just saying, like, when someone says, no, that's just incorrect, don't say it that way. What do they mean by that? But I think it would be the same thing as being like, I shot a goal in hockey. But you shot the puck and you score, like you, it was a goal. You'd be like I scored a goal. You wouldn't say I shot a goal. I think it's the same exact thing.

Yeah, but we literally say I shot 95 at the end of the end of the. the round. There's no other comparison to that in hockey where it's like I shot a goal. I shot seven goals that day. There is no comparison to that. So you're just wondering if grammatically it's correct. Yeah. Because people get angry. Doesn't Thomas got pissed. I mean, it'd be like, I'm fucking mad right now. So you're just wondering if it's like, I'm fucking pissed off. Like he's got like the Bengals have this uniform or Bengals have this outfit. Technically both are right. I'm saying that like I understand you don't say I shot a goal, but you also say I shot a.

95 today. Yeah. I don't know what the bengles thing is, so I cut you off. Yeah, I know. What does that mean? Grammatically it works. So, like, the bengals have a uniform. The bengals have an outfit.

Okay. You know what I mean? Like, when you're talking about the bengals, it sounds really stupid and say, look at the bengal's outfit. I don't even think that that's what I'm saying. I'm saying that there is a term for golf when you say, I shot a 95. Why do we take that away and say it's incorrect when you just talk about one hole?

Why does it have to be after the round that's acceptable? Look, I don't think it's necessarily considered incorrect. I think it's considered someone hears you say that. and says like that person doesn't play a lot of golf, what I'm moron. I don't think that should be the case, though. But it just is a term. I know, but that shouldn't be the case.

It's going to be just like golfing. Your world's a tough one to live in. Like, we use the fucking term. I shot a score. Why can't you use that for each hole? Why is that like, oh,

that guy doesn't know what the fuck you're talking about. I think it's as simple as like if you get matched up with somebody in the first hole and after the guy's like, hey, I'm keeping score. What did you shoot on one there? I'd be like, this has a nice guy,

but he doesn't play a ton of golf. Like, That's just, that would be the reaction. I don't think so, man. I think I say that just off the top. Man, I think I've said that all the time. I think I say it all the time. Would you shoot there?

Like, all the time. I think I said it off the top of my head. Just no problem. And I don't think there should be any stigma about that. We are a podcast about drinking and fucking making music and shit. Why can't we say what you should? We can still have opinions and say stuff sounds stupid. You can't just boil everything down.

You just said if someone says, someone says I shot a nine. You're like, that guy doesn't play any golf. That's literally the opposite of what we should play any golf. I said like, I said like, I think that. That just sounds like that guy doesn't get out a lot. Like, I'm not judging the guy and saying he's a horrible person. I'm saying, I think that guy doesn't play that.

That in the golf. Yeah, I think it sounds like that guy's not that in the golf. Yeah. That's what it's not what it should be at all. When you add the there, it changes it. But when like, if you, we get off the first and I go, would you shoot? But when you say, would you shoot there?

So now we're, this is a fucking dumb game. Totally. And that's why I think it's fucking stupid. I think you say whatever the fuck you want. I think it's stupid. Would you shoot there? Would you shoot? If I said, would you shoot?

And you're like, So I'm just saying that they're kind of It plays a lot of golf But if I said what you shoot there? Like this guy fucking sucks Would you shoot there? Itomizes it to one hole What'd you shoot is 18 holes

That's just what I'm thinking to. Golf is. You've got your opinion. Golf is fucking stupid. I think it's fucking stupid That we would sit there and dip Would you shoot? No, it's just like Trent's thing of like

What? Like that sounds a little weird on the year. That's all we're getting on. Because we use the term all the time But it's fine. It's fine for me. It's fine for me. You can say whatever the hell you want.

I'm just trying to make it. for the people that go out there and say, would you shoot, that they're not being fucking ridiculed. Like, we tweeted it on our account. It's a fucking, you just said,

would you shoot? And Justin Tyler's like, nah. They don't say that at our club. That's not fucking cool. You don't think so? I'm with you. No,

I'm with you. Would you shoot? Would you shoot? This is what we do with anything. We debate dumb things and everything. That's like what we do. This is like an ideology of like the sport. No,

you're taking it too far. I'm not, though. I'm not, though, because people literally say you don't know what you're talking about when you say, would you shoot there? No, they just think it takes away, like, Justin Thomas's comment was like, you lose a little credibility. That's so stupid. That's so stupid. That's so stupid. That is so stupid to say, would you shoot there? And he's like, you have no credibility in this sport. So how's it different than my uniform outfit comment. Because that just makes you sound stupid, like that would make you seem like unknowing. Like, oh, look at the Bengals, today.

That would make you seem unknowling. But you don't use the term outfit that much in sports. You literally use the term shoot in golf. That's my point. You don't use the term. I can figure out another word out there. No, I think I haven't.

I think it's as simple as like Trent's first reaction. It's like it just doesn't sit right on the ear. Like I think it's that simple. No one's being like a pretentious douchebag. We're just saying like, I don't know. That didn't get right. But that's a pretentious douchebaggery comes out when someone says it.

Like I think Johnson Thomas is going over the top and like responding. or like if I've heard that comment, I've never like roasted somebody in the T for it. You just like write the score down. Like it's not a big deal. The need to correct someone is. That's what it is. I agree with that.

I think that the tonality of the way you deliver it is massive too. The stigma around speaking that word should not be, even in your head, be like, oh, well, this guy doesn't really know what he's talking about. Because you do know what you're talking about. It's my point. I think that that's a perfectly fine thing to say. I shot a nine on that. You're entitled to your opinion.

I think it's correct. See, that's where you're tough to even talk with. No, it's not tough. It's because you use the term shoot all the time in golf. It's just we pick and choose when it's correct or when you're not allowed to say it. That stuff about golf drives me fucking bananas. It does. It just drives me crazy.

That's fine. I want to create my own golf course where you can do it. You can say whatever the fuck you want. There's a good course in Jersey. You can't say. I'm going to make a golf course. What did you shoot on two? That's going to be the name of the golf course.

Golfing course would you shoot on two? That's going to be the whole name of the golf course. That's going to be a great golf course. It's going to be a great course. Sounds great. Tiger Woods is going to hate that course. How's that making a feel? Well, you know what?

Boss man needs to start fucking coming with the times because you know what? Golf is not all about this shit anymore. You can say golfing. You can say shoot. I'm here for you people. It's crazy. You're a voice for the voiceless. It's crazy.

Yeah. Okay. I want to look up what he actually said. I still think you sound kind of stupid if you say, what did you shoot there? Well, you know, I think that goes, I don't know. I don't know. I think that's insane. So I disagree with that.

I think what you shoot there works? On my ear. But when someone says, what did you shoot? That doesn't work. I just think in golf you ask somebody like, what did you make on three? I don't think you say what did you shoot on three. No, the part that doesn't sound right to me is I shot whatever number. Yeah.

The asking the question feels very natural. What you shoot there? It does sound dumber when you say. I shot six. Yeah. It just does. I don't know why. It just does.

I like what Frankie's trying to say. I will say that. Yeah, that's been one of our big crusades. It's the right. He has the right attitude about it. the openness for sure yeah 100% and it's not even that much of the reach

I'm not even going about the openness I'm just like the twang on my ear when you don't say I shot a birdie no you don't I made a birdie but I don't even know if that's grammatically like I don't even know if that's grammatically right the way you say like

a shot a birdie is I don't even know if I shot a birdie floating around the sky I would certainly never pass judgment on someone's knowledge if they said they can say what the fuck they want if they're out there that's cool

I just think that that's like, when Justice came after it's like, wow, you guys really don't like this is a golf podcast. Isn't that what he wrote? Like, isn't this, don't you guys cover golf for a living? He said something just like this, I'll got to be honest, this doesn't do a lot for your credibility in golf or something like that. Insane.

And I know I'm late on this because that was months ago, but I don't know. I think that's insane. It doesn't do a lot for your, I mean, I want to go on CBS during the Masters and say Tiger Woods just shot a nine. No. Or a shot of three. Yeah.

Tiger, I don't know why I can say nine. make a lot of nines. Tiger Woods shot a three. Yeah. I want to say it. I want people's cars to start going off the road and shit. Like it's San Andreas, the movie with the rock.

Like people are just fucking flying all over the place. Tiger Woods shoots a three on the third hall. People fucking flying off the handles. All right. It sounds really dumb. All right. Ho. Hit it hard.

Hit it hard. Shoot low numbers. Shoot low numbers. Just finish with hit it hard, right? Hit it hard.