Fore Play - "And Tiger shook my hand and said, "Looking forward to it, Kipper,'" with caddie Kip Henley

Episode Date: August 30, 2018

Nobody's got better golf stories than the caddies, and Austin Cooke's colorful looper Kip Henley joins the show to detail his experience caddying next to Tiger at the Northern Trust this past Sunday. Kip's gone to war for Tiger on Twitter over the past few weeks, and he's got a lot of good tales to tell about our guy. Also, the Fore Play crew was up in Massachusetts this week with Titleist getting custom fit for clubs and touring Ball Plant III, where much of the world's ProV1s are made. We debrief on the entire experience, including Frankie Butter Knives facing his worst nightmare head on! You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

Hey, 4Play listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Nothing. I'm feeling really good today. Tell me why you're feeling really good, Frankie. Do we need to talk about anything else before you say why you're feeling really good? No, you just set me, I was just going to be like, you know, I'm in a good move. But the way you said it was like we were going to talk about something else.

Well, no, because yesterday you're all like super nervous about you're getting roasted. Now you're like, I don't want you getting too high. I don't want you getting too low. You're bringing me back to Earth a little bit. Well, I just don't want you get too high. Well, our experience that we're about to talk about is still just beaming out of me. That's why you feel good. No matter who, no matter who's trying to bring me down or tear me apart, like a scarecrow, like one side, one side.

I'm just beaming with just joy. We have a very, very cool show this week. We have Kip Henley on The Kipper. He has been discussed on this podcast a lot recently because he's been on the war. defending Tiger Woods for the last couple weeks on Twitter. Then as fate would have it, Austin Cook, who is, of course, Kipper's guy, that's his player, Kipper is a looper. Caddies for Austin Cook, they got matched up with Tiger Woods on Sunday at the Northern

Trust this past weekend at Ridgewood. He was tweeting about the whole experience, and we got him on. He told some stories. It's an awesome interview about looping out there, about looping for a young kid who is now, who became a winner on tour after Kip jumped on his back. Last time we interviewed Kip a year and a half ago, he had just quit working from VJ Singh after the Players' Championship 2017.

He was looking for a young, hungry stud. He found that guy in Austin Cook. Then they get matched up with Tiger. He talks all about that and much more. Kippers just a fucking man. He's fantastic. Every time we talk to him, I come away feeling better about myself.

He's a happy guy, and you know, you feel that after you talk to him. I'm upset at myself that we haven't had him on for a year and a half. I'm like genuinely upset. We should have had him on sooner than that. What is wrong with us? I don't know. I don't know. He's got a great voice.

He's got a great way of telling stories. You just want to sit back and like sit in a rocking chair and just listen to him. It does. It almost feels like it's too personable and too real to be on a podcast. Like we should be sipping scotch after just finishing 36 holes with him somewhere. And hearing these stories, not just like on the phone on the podcast. He's that good. He's the best.

So people are going to love this interview. That's coming up in the second half of the show. The first half, the boys were on a boon. doggle yesterday. We have partnered with Titleist. We did a full fitting. We went to the ball plant. We got to talk about all of that. First, we got to talk about Dollar Shave Club. No matter what you

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slash four dollar shave club dot com slash four look we got a bunch of headlines to get to a couple of headlines obviously the the tour's up in boston that's in our backyard we talk about that a little bit with kip but first off we have to talk about the boys yesterday i mean we had a day we had one of the more memorable days in foreplay history we're up in uh we're up in mass we're up in kind of south shore mass south shore yeah where were we i kept we drove up frankie and i drove up whatever day that was i don't remember now monday yeah but we kept driving i kept seeing all these streets treat signs of like Weymouth and Worcester. Essentially, you just

heard Jared Carrabis every time he would just like talk about people he struck out as being the Saugus Rocket. By the way, if we have another one of those fucking Edreys today, I don't know if I can take it. I'll have to leave a little bit early. But if we do, then all things are going to go haywire. If you haven't made it to the end of this show in a while, you might not know that we have been doing these outrageous

cross-promotional ad reads for Jared Corobis. And we have to like call him the fucking Saugus Rocket. Self-proclaimed soggist. And we talk about the time that Dallas Braiden, you know, yelled at A-Rod. I mean, they're getting two entries right now. Right now, yeah. This is the ad.

But, yeah, we were driving up. We drove up from New York City to a part of Massachusetts that I believe it's called Rockland, Massachusetts. Rockland is where the plant is. Yes. And then I think New Bedford is that where we got fitted at the Harmon Club. Oh, I thought it was the other way around. Maybe it was the other way around. Okay.

All right. Yes. We drove all the way up there and then, yeah, we slept their money night, and then we went to the title list. We got fitted and it was, you know, it was quite a day for the guys. It was a big day. I'm talking, you're right. So the Harmon Club is in Rockland, Massachusetts.

And then Ball Plant 3, Titleist Ball Plant 3. Not one or two. Three. In New Bedford. We filmed the entire thing. So we have some really cool videos coming out. If you've ever watched like any of those How It's Made shows and you just sit back and you're like, how can it be possible that humanity,

created all of these things that didn't create these other things. I am constantly in awe of factories. Just the way that they move, the way that they do everything, the way that they're automated. It's stunning. And then you walk through one, like the ball plant three in New Bed for Massachusetts. And it's stunning. It's like how creationists are like there's no way that the world could just be made and life could exist without like the hand of God.

That's how I felt about the factory. Like that couldn't have just been created from human brains. All of the moving parts and like how perfect everything had to be and how gigantic of a factory it was and how everything moved from like the three story tower to this next room and it was like rubbery. And then it was boiled down to this like perfect ball and then they put it on another thing that makes it an even more perfect ball. And we're not even halfway through like the core making process. It was off the charts. And you just said all those things and all those words and all these. places we went to, and this was one golf ball that we saw the process for.

I mean, we saw many, many golf balls, but this entire process, this huge fucking plant in which they have three of them. We were in the third. And they run 24-7, 365. They have all these people working there. They're doing stretches. I mean, these people are inside this factory, just making the best golf balls in the world.

They have more than three, because I heard at one point he said ball plant four. He did not say ballpoint. No, he said he meant to say we're at ball plant three, but he said four, and he corrected himself so there's got to be a fourth. No, no, I know there's a fourth because I was like, what do you do when you ship to some of the bigger Asian markets? And he was like, there's a ball plant phone. Oh, man.

There's a ball plant four. It's like, oh, that happens down the road at ball plant four. It's like, oh, God. No, the ball plant four is like, it's like in Taiwan or something. Oh. No, I'm talking like, they're global. And he dropped a like, you know, it's more, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, closer to the proximity of market, and I was like, that makes a lot of sense.

So I wanted to correct whoever said, like, there's three of them. I think there's like four or five of them. There could be what the process and the situation that we walked around yesterday, I guess it was, right? Yes. Yep. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a ball plant on every single goddamn corner in the universe because these guys just know what they're doing and they're pumping out golf balls left and right as if they pump out golf balls as easy as it is for me to just breathe.

Like every time I take a breath, that's what I think I have to do, and they just pump out a golf ball. That's what they do. The other, there is an unbelievable amount of golf balls. A couple things that I want to say. Number one is that we started talking, Frankie, because at first we were just stunned in how many golf balls they were producing. But then you started saying, like, well, think about, like,

anything that could possibly in any way, shape, or form ever, anywhere, ever be considered like a golf store has to have a bunch of tidalist golf balls. Like a lot of them. Like a ton of tidalist golf balls. Than any other product. Yes. This thought is like nerve-wracking to even think about it.

It gives me anxiety to know that every single crevice of every single pro shop, of every single golf store of any sporting goods store in the world, not just America, in the world. If you're, if you don't have the ProV-1, you're not a, golf anything. You're just not a golf store. You don't sell golf anything. Correct.

And so they have to literally supply for everywhere. Like, yeah, everywhere. Everywhere you go. And it was very apparent because there were golf balls everywhere. I do want to say, too, the second thing I was just saying is the amount of quality checks. There was like 90 checkpoints that they're golf ball. There's laboratories and people in lab coats checking every single ball.

There's x-rays. There's injections going into these things. Tideless. I know you're out there listening because you guys are going to listen to us talk about this whole process. I have to get, I have to get one of those BP3 lap coats. Folks, I'm talking the first time that we,

because, you know, it goes from like the, that you're on the floor, the factory line and all that, which is kind of pretty standard factory work. You're like a brewery. You don't know where you're at. Correct. You see all these huge tanks. You see some steam. You're like, what's going on? They can be making anything back there.

And then the first time you get to the first quality check room, you turn on the, you turn the right. And it's like we're in Jurassic Park, where the fucking doctors are in there, like, hatching dinosaurs in their lab coats in their white lab coat and one of them turns around and on the left it's got their name

and on the right it's just got a big patch that just says BP Roman numeral 3 and I was like need one have to have one of those with the titleless logo on it and we happened to watch this guy at a perfect time he was like he was swifting that's the word I'm when he was he was

swifting through the lab so his lab coat was just like it was just it was a tail it was just in the wind he was like Gandalf coming to like Deliver. We didn't really see his face. We saw the BP3. We saw us like a side of him and he just like he just went.

We were starstruck by the guy in the BP3 lap coat. They was amazing. The place. So there's a bunch of different processes that we're going to try to remember because of how just stunning it was. But they also like any ball, they go through so many checkpoints that there are some balls that they're like, this is just somehow slightly not perfect and it gets just dragged off of the line. It's gone. This outcast, but then they just, they, like, boil it down and put all of, like, the ingredients back in and just, like, create a new ball or two from that, that imperfect ball.

It doesn't happen much, but, like, it does happen. They catch them. And then in that fucking same lab room with the coats, there's people, remember they had, like, microscopes. Yep. And they were, like, it was like when they send the camera inside of a body to try to, like, diagnose what's wrong with your insides. That's what this person was doing going through a golf ball, like diagnosing a golf ball with what was wrong with it. It was unbelievably alarming at how much, and I think I said this a million times yesterday to you guys, and you guys were saying it as well, watching how much, you know, work and precision and effort

and dedication that goes into putting, into making a golf ball, especially a ProV1, a Titleist ProV1, and a ProV1X. It makes me nauseous. It makes me feel horrible that I, Frankie Baudenized Borrelli, is, I'm out there just disrespecting these. things. Just put it in the woods. I'm just, these balls are ending up in horrid places off the tea. And I'm just like, and it took me all my life until this perfectly amazing trip that we took to Massachusetts and go to Ball Plant 3. It took me all this time to realize like, holy shit, I'm holding magic in my hands. That sleeve of balls, three little, three little balls

of just magic come out of it. Perfectly crafted magic. Next time someone tells me like, oh, like, you're never going to find that just drop one. I'm going to be like, buddy, you do not understand what goes into that golf ball. We're finding this golf ball. I'll go on my hands and knees. I will get, I mean, I'll go into the thorns. I'll get whatever disease in there I need to get, like, I need to just get that golf ball. You get a big old thing of poison ivy?

Poison Ivy, doesn't matter. That's the word I was looking for. Yeah, I just said disease. So I don't know. You get disease from these plants? Like, buddy, it took a small, like, first world country to create this golf ball. I'm fucking finding it. And you'd feel like we met a lot of the nice people that Titleist ball playing through.

You feel like you'd be personally letting those people down. If you hit one into the woods, you're like, ah, whatever. The way that they spoke about the factory and the ball and the process of making the golf ball was literally like, I honestly, if someone, if someone would have walked by and, like, said a disparaging comment about anything Titleist, I would have assassinated them for these people. I mean, they butted us up right when we walked in. They showed us this highlight reel. Oh, it was like a video. What am I? A pump-up video. Like, you see those college football teams.

They put out these pump-up videos. It turned the lights off. They had this little area that we were all going to sit in, and we just watched this video like we were in class. And this guy with a Boston accent comes on and talks about, you know, how it's in, like, a fishing community. And it was like the beginning of a movie. Like, I felt like I was watching the best documentary movie on, like, Netflix I've ever seen in my entire life.

Meanwhile, we were just getting the introductory video at Ball Plant 3 for Titleist. At the end of the video, we all looked at each other like, I'm ready to run through. to a fucking wall right now. Ball Plant 3 is, it's a magical place. What's the, what's the alien place out in the desert? Oh, Area 51. It's the area 51 of golf. Right.

That's pretty much what it is. That was another part that was cool where we had our camera guy with us the whole time, and there were parts of the plant that he couldn't film because it's proprietary information, and that makes me very excited when there's proprietary information around. Almost think that they're doing that to make it even, like, appear more important even than it is? Could be, but proprietary information and machinery gives me a buzz. You know how in like a nightclub they hold a line outside to like, even though it's wide open inside to make it seem more. Part of me thinks maybe like.

You're a little woke on ballpoint three. Well, we really film. It was a great tactic by my, our body's tidalist. Don't get me wrong. But also like if we film that, I don't think it's going to like bring tidalists come crashing down. So I like that that touch, but you're 100% right. It's very effective. Like the fact they're like, no, this is proprietary information in here.

You can't film. feels like my eyes have just seen something special was almost like area 51. Correct. That was the area of 51. So the founder of Philip E. Young, the guy who founded Titleist, we watched a video on him and we got some told information. What you're saying, I feel like if I was taking out like Snapchat and I was like Instagram storing stuff and I just kept looking over my shoulder and they're like not not there. I feel like I was disrespecting Philip Young and his like his, it's almost like grandma's recipe. You can't let it get out.

You're stealing his intellectual problem. I felt him just like looking over me. Like, don't show them that machine's on. And I was just like, I won't. Like, I just won't. I'm just going to keep looking at it. I won't take a picture. Me too.

I also, I did all of my Instagram stories that I put up. I filmed them in camera mode. And then I had to get them, I had to like check with that guy after. And even there a couple times where he's like, just delete like the last two seconds of that one. It's like, you got it, Mr. Tyler. And right before, right when the tour started at the beginning, he said, please put your phone on airplane mode for safety. Didn't know what it meant.

and we were all like, okay, you got it. Right. Buddy, this phone. And they say that on planes and we all don't do it, but at the ball planet three, I mean, I didn't turn my phone on from the time I walked into the time I walked out. Like, buddy, you want me to. I'll throw my phone into that silo and you can grind it into ingredients to put inside the core of the title. It's probably one of you want. I mean, it makes sense, though, right?

Because there is a reason why ProV1s and ProV1 X's are to the level that they are. Because other companies can't just replicate them, right? Or else other companies would just replicate them. I understand some companies don't have as much money or whatever, and they're not as much. I would like to call them the ball Titans of the Universe. That's like my new thing for title. I mean, Titleists, they are Titans. They're not just like, they're not just good.

They're Titans of the industry. They're script too. Like the Titleist script, the font, everything about it, how clean it is. Titleist is just, it's the number one ball in golf. We all know that, but you're right. It is like a Titan of industry that is just unachievable by anyone else. And it's so good to be able to be able to talk about that now that they have partnered with the four play golf podcast. Yes.

And just be able to remember we had Michael Breed on and he just went on and on and on about how awesome the ProV1 was that first time? That was like a four-minute clip of just like pure Titleist ProV-1 porn. And the whole time I wanted to be like, yeah, I just want to talk that awesomely about Titus too, but like there's a sales team involved. I don't know if I can just do that. Yeah. Finally, we were working with our friends at the Titleist who are just the Titans of Industry. We haven't even got, oh, we got to talk about that when they, there's one part in the process

where they vibrate the balls on rocks. I'm speechless right now, just thinking about it. It was so snunning when it happened. It was near the end of the tour. You've seen everything. You don't know what to expect when you're walking through a golf ball factory, but you kind of know what's going to happen. But then near the end, our tour guide, whose name is escaping me at the moment,

he goes, let's walk into this room, and there'll be vibrating rocks covered in water that help clean the dust out of the dimples just so they're perfectly smooth around. And we're like, what? They go around in the circle. Like, it was like a lazy river of like vibrating rocks. It was so soothing. It was like, this golf ball is going to go to such a peaceful place after this vibration of rocks. It was unbelievable.

It was the loudest room that we went into, but it was, like you said, by far the most soothing. And who would think that that would clean the ball when I hit my ball onto the rocks? It comes back a disaster. That's what we said. At what point, who was the guy who was like, all right, yeah, this golf ball looks great. But what if there's a little bit of dust on it? How about we do this? We just vibrate a bunch of rocks.

The way he was talking about the rocks, they were synthetic rocks that need to be shipped in. like look at these things and by the time they're done with the balls they'll be smaller they start out this size it was at that moment where it felt like a williwankature yes it was like something where they have this idea that no one would ever think of and and it just it works it clearly it works because it is a big big process we've got a full video that's going to come out in the coming weeks that takes you through the entire ball plant tour it's a fascinating video seeing how these golf balls are actually made how the pro v1 is different than the pro v which are different obviously than like the NXT, that type of stuff.

They got the ABX, all the different stuff. So it's a really, really cool, very different type look. And we were there. We were involved. We were right in the mix. We put lab coats on ourselves. We put lab coats on. It was awesome.

The other part of the day was the club fitting. Now, there are some details of that that I think we're going to talk about at another time in terms of the driver, which is the driver's unbelievable. And we didn't even really realize until later that, like, you people out there listening right now, you can. game and get the driver that we got right we were using uh unreleased equipment it's like uh the four play guys and like justin thomas are using the driver that's it uh we tried to look it up and uh we tried to look it up on the on the ride home like oh yeah which one did we get again and i was

like decided between the two letters and i'm like i think we got this one but it says enter your name on the website it says enter your name and we'll let you know when we have an update on when this is even going to be like allowed to even be put on the website and i was just swinging it that day. Yeah, you weren't putting yourself on a way list to get the club. It was to get updates on potentially when the club is going to be released. That is how exclusive this golf club is. And they were letting us use them. And we were just like hitting golf ball. And I have to say, it is a weapon. A weapon. It is by far the biggest difference in a golf club that I have ever noticed in my life. And this is not even big ad. Like, it will be, I mean, that's what it's

going to sound like. And people are going to be, all right, like, stop like just saying these things because like people think they're just going to be paying us to say this stuff when i tell you i know you don't get when i get too much into the driver stuff when i tell you i walked into the place and i looked at the club fitter and i said you will not get my ping out of my bag i guarantee you that's my favorite club's your favorite club my driver i think it was like a ping i've had for four years it's my favorite club it's the only club i step up to and have confidence with i'm like you're not taking it away from me i walked out of that place like i didn't even know ping was a company Frankie you were embarrassed that that thing was anywhere near your dog back

Frankie got done with the driver part of his fitting and we were all so happy for him we were high-fiving and cheering people were just coming out of like rooms I saw people in the office of the club fitting place like peaking their heading because they heard how much of like a commotion was going on when I was just making contact with this ball I mean I there was a dog there his name was bogey shout out to boge he was an unbelievable dog he was even like he couldn't stop looking at what was going they were like bogey just sleeps in the AC and never comes over to the club fitting area. When Frankie started hitting a tidalist driver, Bogie came walking. It was great. Just came waddling, like, what's going on? And he was like, I got to see this. Our sound guy was just like falling all over the room at the noise.

Our sound guy. This, I don't know, I hope it makes the video. But the most underrated part of the day was we have our camera guy from Barstville come with us. But then we get out, John Kelly. Shout out. Then we get a local audio guy. And we have never met.

Riggs and I have been doing this for a while now. We have never had a normal audio guy. Same was with this dude. He was walking around and just knocking things over when a sound guy does not have In a really expensive room, right? Very expensive. There's track man everywhere. Each one of them is 30 grand.

He knocked one over. A couple of them on the floor. Just kicking him over. Not only did he knock a trackman over, but to knock the trackman over, he knocked a bucket of balls over that then knocked over a bunch of clubs that then knocked over the track man. And people may not understand, like, oh, like, as they're listening, they may be like, okay, he probably just had to be, like, around the stuff. Like, he just had us miced up wirelessly, and he could have just been, he could have been

in the car, right? He could have sat in the bathroom for four hours straight, and it would have been fine. He's like, he was like creeping around the room, like, we're playing fucking hide and go seek, and the lights are off, and he's like trying not to get tagged or something. What are you doing, dude? Just stand still. Knocking shit over. It was so funny. He, like, elbowed me a couple times with his huge boom, Mike.

Listen, the guy was working. John Kelly said he almost hit him in the head with a club. The guy was working hard. Incredibly nice guy. He just was the clumsiest sound guy I've ever seen. And then after he would knock shit over, he looked up like, um, he looked up like, um, he was working. I'm like, oh yeah, I obviously have to be moving around here. We're like, sound guy, what are you, like, what are you doing?

And he's like, well, I had to get into this corner of the room. And he was a huge person. I couldn't just stand in that corner of the room and just like not make noise. I had to come over here and just knock everything over. That's like, well, I'm a sound guy. He was so tall and he's just a big guy. For a sound guy that need to capture sound, he made the most sound, like by accident that I've ever seen in my entire life. He was a sound guy.

He was like Kramer from Seinfeld, too. When he knocked one thing over, it just kept knocking other shit over. And it was like, by the time it was done, everyone in the room was silent and just looking at him. Like, sound guy, just stand still. Dude, just fucking stand perfectly still and stop knocking stuff over. It was crazy. It was so funny, man. But anyway, Frankie, our guy Johnny Almeida, who was the fitter.

Yep. Legit looked at you when you said, like, you'll never get this ping out of my hands. And he just laughed in your face. He did. Wait until you see the new title. driver. The TS3? Is that what it is? The TS3. Oh, my God. That's the one. I didn't know if we were talking about the TS3, but I mean, it's the TS2, the TS3. I went to sleep thinking about this thing. I called my girlfriend. I'm like, I found a new love. I'm like, I don't know what to tell you, honey,

but I just fell in love today. I did. I did. I fell in love with the golf club. I got people tweeting at me being like, now that I think you got the new TS driver, like, I went from a, I think Whitney's going to win until like, I don't know how rigs loses. What people aren't understanding is that rigs having the, clubs that we got fitted for yesterday. Yep. Is such a huge swing in whatever, like, whatever you thought about this, this match between Whitney and Riggs, the fact that he's getting what he's getting should make you,

like, whatever you thought about Whitney should make you reconsider. The way I was sitting in my driver yesterday was honestly, I, I walked out of there and was like, I might, I may, like, convince everyone I know to bet a lot of money on me to win and then just like buy up their best. because it was insane. What a cool feeling. God, that was an awesome

fucking experience. It was awesome. I don't even know we're supposed to talk about that, but you can't work with the foreplay guys and expect us to like, yeah,

we're not going to be able to hold that in. What are we supposed to do? It was unbelievable cool. The best experience that I've had actually playing golf, I mean, we've had great experiences watching golf. We've been to the Masters.

I saw, you know, a hole in ones at Augusta. That was the best experience I've had with a golf club in my hand. I agree with that. It was just that good.

And you just know you're getting the best stuff. I've never been fitted before. I didn't even know what that, like, what that experience was. And, like, we were just hitting. It's also. I didn't either. And you guys made me go first and I was very nervous. But it was fun.

Yeah, it was hot too. That's also, it's just title. Like, titleist is the best. They're just like, everybody knows that. It's title. The Yankees. You know, like the Cowboys. The Cowboys.

The Cowboys. Titleist. They just do it better. They're just the best. And we were working with Titleist. You know you're in great hands. They're just the best. Tylerless is the best.

All right, we got to get to the wedge part of the session. Frankie Butt and Ives. Now, there were a lot of people. I thought we weren't allowed to talk about this one either. Are we really going to talk about it? There were a lot of people really waiting for this part of the day. I mean, the tidalist reps that were there were like, we can't wait to watch. People were just buzzing that I was about to have a wedge in my hand.

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of the wedge session of yesterday? Yeah, so we went into get fitted. We just talked about it. I was really excited to do the driver, do all everything else. and I knew, well, there was a time where I, going into it, I knew I was going to have to hit a wedge. And I knew that I have not hit a good wedge in about three or four years. When I was in the middle of the fitting, I thought, like, maybe we just weren't going to do it. We were hitting all these other clubs.

And, like, everyone was just so happy. Like, we were just talking about. People were high-fiving. I'm like, oh, my God, like, I'm just going to get away with this and not have to do this in front of cameras or anything. And then they're just like, all right, we're going to go out to the front of the clubhouse. and it's wedge time. Like you're not only going to hit one, like you're going to hit like all different times.

Yeah, we were this one area hitting all of the clubs. And then they're like, all right, we're going to go out into public where people are probably and we're going to hit wedge shots. Right. I mean, listen, man, it was nerve-wracking and I was nervous for people that I was standing around. I thought I had to, luckily there was no one to the left of the right of us.

I thought I was going to have to send out a lot of lookouts. People were taking carts from the other side of the facility being like, oh, right, Frank is you ready to go do wedges? We have to go see that. it's a how to go what do you mean how do you think it went you guys were there i don't know if this is like a podcast thing like you're setting me up all right all right like it didn't go well relax i we we had to get it into audio i will say this let me tell you how it went okay

the guy who was helping us fit was his name johnny almeda johnny almeda was a great guy he was teaching he was just you know working us through the fitting and he was doing his job but then he turned it like he saw how bad and how nervous i was holding a wedge in my hand that he turned into just like a teacher. He gave you a full unless he forgot about the fitting. So what happened was he determined that you were, your current wedge state was unfittable to where you actually, he needed to teach you how to chip and hit a wedge shot before he could even fit you for a way.

That's a fact. He actually said that. No, that's what happened. All right, guys, Riggs, you're great. You know, Trent, here's the one that you're going to do. Frankie, I've seen you just swing. And you are not swinging in a way that I can actually. help you.

So we have to now, everyone has to sit here and watch me give you a lesson on how to at least swing the club like a normal human being and then we can proceed. I mean, we were maybe,

what would you say? We were 10 yards away from the green? Yeah. And your first chip probably went 40 yards over the green. It did. And it was after my first lesson. He goes,

listen, man, he's like, just put it right there closer to your front foot and just let the arms do the, you know, just let the one hand, the one hand, two hand thing

was confusing you. He was like, just take that back hand, just go right through it. the club's going to do everything, these new Voki wedges, everything's going to, they're going to bounce, and he's like, you're going to feel great. He goes, go at that man. He goes, I'm so confident in this wedge right now in your hand. And my first swing just went 40 yards over the green. I just looked at everyone and said, goodbye, everyone, just send me whatever wedge you want to.

Thank you, Tidless. It's been a great day. I do not want to swing anymore. I legitimately thought Frankie was going to have a panic attack. We joke about the butter knife thing and all that, but then when he hit that first wedge and it sculled it, sculled it right over the green, he legit, you legitimately walk away. Because I watch you do it, and I mean, and you're like, not the, you're not like a scratch golfer and I saw you like plopping the ball onto the green, I'm like, okay, that's like great. And then I watched Riggs go and he was perfectly hitting, you know,

flop shots onto the green and I knew I just couldn't do it. You guys made me go less. It was very mean, and I just knew I couldn't do it. Right now, I have no depth perception with my wedges. If we had you go first, you were just saying, I don't know. I saw that's really mean. I saw the way you were doing it. Then I was trying to picture the way you were trying to do anything. I just want to see a chip. I just moved your arms like an inch and the ball

went 15 feet in the air like right next to the wedge do the work. I heard all this. The guy designs it for a reason. Now I will say this. You're flying your hands around like some kind of lunatic like you're trying to hit a slap shot. Just like just slide the wedge. I will say this. I've had the same wedge for a long time. I've had a Cleveland

wedge. And the way that they were talking to me was saying you've had such a bad wedge in your hand for so long that you've been trying to come at the ball like a knife. Like every time I come at the ball it digs into the ground and then I just chunk it. So then I try and not do that and I skull it. I skull fuck it. That was the big term yesterday. Yeah, you know, I said the word skull fuck

and like everyone just ran with it and I kind of looked at you two guys. I'm like, I'm sorry for bringing that word into the universe. You kind of turn the whole session into just people were saying skull fuck left and right. They we said, you just heard the word skull fuck just like mutter around the golf course. I'm like, well, what the fuck? Like it was the word the like everyone was just saying it all time. Instead of saying, um, they were skullfuck. Like skullfuck is a very vulgar. You can just say it. Very vulgar. Yeah. When you think about skullfucking,

There was like, there was women in the background that were like looking at their phone just like, you know, skull fuck. You just heard the word skull fuck. It's like people were texting it through their loved ones. No, Frankie, you can't just say that. So he did say to me that with these new tidalist wedges and these Voki wedges, I'm going to be able to, you know, have a new swing now with a wedge. And it took me a while. I mean, you guys were both there. I'm not going to lie.

It took me a while. But as I started to have a little bit more confidence that I'll have a little bit of a bounce. He was using that word a lot, bounce. So I used the bounce, which I've never had. I've had just knives. I've been cutting through butter. They were heavier. That helps.

Heavier and just like, I wasn't as afraid to go at the ball, which I've always been. That's why I always skull. Fuck it. I will say within a couple weeks of you getting your new wedges, you're chipping, I think, will be fine. I honestly, and I'm not even just saying that. I honestly think that it's all in the club. Because he's absolutely right. What you had was, like, we joked about it, but what you had was actually like a butter knife.

Right. that instead of bouncing and allowing you a margin for error on your chips and still getting the ball, plopping the ball up into the air and letting it, you literally were like if you hit a fraction behind the ball, your club was just digging into the ground and you're flubbing it. And like you said, you overcorrected and what you were doing was just skull-fucking it over the green. And neither one of those is a good shot, and therefore you really were kind of screwed. And you got, I've been talking a big, I've been talking a lot about this on this podcast,

and you guys have been listening. And we all have been joking around. We've been laughing. I'm sorry. Everyone's laughing. It's been a funny experience for you guys. It's been great. And I understand that.

And, you know, it's the first time you actually seen it in person, like in a long time. Riggs, you've seen it a couple times when I play with you in person. But, I mean, you guys saw the way I can hit my driver. You saw my irons. I can hit the ball. And this is what's been happening to me when I golf. I hit great drives. I'm like 80 yards away.

I'm 30 yards away. I'm 20 yards away. And I end up on the next tee. And that first shot is one of those balls that I just end up on the next tee. It was crazy. I cannot believe I did it on the day that all the cameras were there and all these pros were there and all these people from Titleists were there and they're all watching me. People that run the marketing for Titleists were just tagging me in Instagram posts like Frankie's looking at his worst nightmare right now. It was just a bag of wedges.

No joke. Like the Tyler's marketing people were all like laughing out loud at you and pulling out their phones to make sure they got you on their Instagram. They're taking videos to go back and show their loved ones like how funny of a day they had because Frankie just had just Frankie Butter Nives in person. Yeah. Yeah, it's like when people, every pulls their phone's out when Tiger, so they can show everybody how close they were to Tiger. That was you. Just in a different way.

A little bit different. Just gross. Just gross. Just gross. We got a lot more coming from the whole day. It was incredibly awesome. Like I said, I don't even know if we were supposed to talk about titles today, but we just had to because we had, I mean, if you're the golf guys and you,

the common golf men and you have a day like yesterday, you have to talk about it. So we talked about it. Next up, we got to talk about Bryce and Deschambeau. I just want to bring this up briefly. but he... Oh, I want to bring something up briefly before you get to your Bryson D. Shampo thing, which I don't know what it is,

but it's going to be something stupid. Played ping pong as a robot. No. I think you were going to bring that up. Against the robot. I got to work this morning. Is this what you thought he was going to bring up? No, I thought he was going to bring up,

and I was going to follow up, but he just brought up. All right, let's do it. I got to work this morning. Why don't you guys bring up whatever you want to be? I had a nice morning. I woke up.

I got a good amount of sleep. We traveled all day yesterday at the later parts. Traveling like crazy. Crazy. So tired. I went to bed, right? I went to bed. I got like nine hours of sleep, whatever.

Very excited. Got coffee this morning. That's a good amount of sleep. Yes, it was. I got six. I got six? Yeah. Oh.

Well, I got nine. And we got, so my way to the office. I got coffee. I was feeling great. And I come up the elevator to the office on the third floor, walk to my, uh, very, my desk. And what do I see is a signed picture of Bryson D. Shambo? That sounds lovely.

Were you excited? No, I was not. I immediately threw it on the ground. Face down. because I don't want that and I believe Frankie had a similar experience this morning It was just a feeling you saw it there

And I like chuckled I said this fucking guy I mean everything a bad price And the picture he used to sign I mean he looks more like that dinosaur And land before time Than I've ever seen The hat was like bigger

It had more like fluff You gotta see this guy's signature too He spells out every letter Every letter It's cursive That's a robotic move Arnold Palmer said that your signature Should be legible

People should know who's signing their office I'm sure Bryson, like, read all the books and, like, went to, you probably took, like, a linguistics class, so we could figure out of a fucking sign his name. And he saw Arnie's little quote. And he's like, I'm going to practice. He got guys like Riggs meets him for two minutes and he's got to meet out of the palm of the sand. 15 minutes. People really care about my signature. So I got to make sure it's legible.

So when I'm there all there and they could be like, Bryson D. Chambot signed my fucking piece. He's like Arnold Palmer. It's a very nice thing. I thought that you couple autographed pictures of Bryson. You know, he looks like a star golper. You say your little story that you were going to. It's going to be a, you know, Ryder Cup stud for the United States of America. Maybe I thought that it would be nice gesture if you guys would get on the right side of history

and accept this lovely gift of Bryson D. Chambot, autograph. That'd be worth a lot of money. I took your gift and I gifted it to the trash can. Oh. That's just malicious. I actually didn't go as far as that. I was going to see what I was going to do with it. But, I mean, the trash can's an aggressive move.

Well, I will say that. I love it. that goes from being like I it's not that I eat it goes from saying I don't like this guy to like you hate the guy to trash no that's what we've been that's what I've been saying I've been saying that too so you know what I think I got to go fucking outside and just put that thing in the trash can which is like tell you tell your ping pong story who are you guys going to root for during the riot I see I do not like that I do not like that it's not fair golf has to be better we're not to be able to not like people because they're going to be playing for our country and shit like we have to be able to do this I We have to. If a Red Sox player plays for the World Baseball Classic for USA, like, I still fucking hate him. The World Baseball classic is not the Ryder Cup to golf. I'm just saying. We think about this all time.

When Patrick Reed is in the fucking Masters, we're talking about how we want to like him because he's a big Rider Cup guy. We're talking about Ryder Cup all the time. It's on our brain all time. If Kevin Hayes from the Rangers plays for Team USA in the Olympics, and it's like the gold medal game, I still hate Kevin Hayes. I mean, he's a team partner guy. I may have picked a wrong example. You don't hate Kevin Hayes. You are a liar.

I do not hate Kevin Hayes. I've always said that I hate his job. I hate what it does at work. I think he's a great person. But you like Kevin Hayes. I picked a wrong person. He's a Ranger. I don't like him at work.

Let me see you're 0 for one on examples. Any other. I'm trying to think of America. I'm trying to think of Americans. Almost strike it out here. I'm not striking. One more strike. No, but he's right.

He's right. It's tough to like we want to have a team. Just because the guy you hate plays for your country. Where do you draw the line? Yeah. That's not fair. fair that all of a sudden we like him because it's on the rider cup.

Every time you have to like it is like. It's like, but you keep picking, you keep knocking people off the line here. No, but I say, like our rider cup team, we're not going to have anybody left.

But it's like I say I like Roy McElroy, but it's only like, I don't have to hate every European because it's not on the USA Ryder Cup. But I'm significantly more likely to hate Europeans because they play against us in the right. I'm American. I'm like watching American golf. I'm going to root for America,

but I'm still going to think Bryson DeCambeau is an asshole. If he, if he nails a put at the end, I want to be like, Yay America. Bryson, look at that dick celebrating. I do this with Brett Gardner on the Yankees. I think he's a dick.

He looks like an asshole. But he's on my favorite team. Like he's on the Yankees. I like to watch him succeed. But then when he does it, I'm just like he's still an asshole. Yeah, we make fun of Bubba when he cries at like the Ryder Cup when he wasn't even on really on the team. I'm just getting worried that you guys are running out of guys on the United States rider cup team. Eventually you're going to be down to like Tiger.

And that's the only person you're going to root for. It's going to be tough. I think we like pretty much everybody except Bryson. I don't know. Justin Thomas. We don't know. Listen, that's too. You hate Bobba.

You hate Justin Thomas and you hate Bryson D.C. I've made, I feel good about those names. This could be some breaking news. I've made some ground in accepting parts of Justin Thomas's life and the fact that I think I picked his putter as mine. Oh, wow. Yeah. Did you know that in the studio? No.

You found out after. I subconsciously picked Justin Thomas's putter from Titleist. Oh, man. That's tough. I mean, it's going to be hard to be out there putting with the one that he has. so I think I have to accept that part so when he puts maybe I'll just be like oh that's my putter it's gonna be hard to watch him use the same one as me

yeah because you're rooting for that putter correct you want to see that thing drain a butt yeah it was hard when someone like I showed it to someone I was text my body like look at this fucking putter I'm getting he's like bro that's JT's I was like oh it's got such a good name and everything it just sucks that's a point for JT's top it's a huge point

the fact that I just like I had I had an I could have picked anything any there were hundreds of putters in that room JT's got to be feeling good about that. That's a win for him, man. That's a huge win for JT. I got to be honest.

Congratulations. Congratulations, Justin, you win this round. Point to JT. He's creeping up on you, Frankie. What I was going to say is that I love the story that he used to, he grew up playing ping pong against a robot. Yeah, I mean, he said, I loved ping pong. I used to practice at lunchtime with a couple buddies of mine against this little robot. We bought a robot, not kidding.

And we got a robot where this thing would shoot out the ball, different velocities and different spin rates. This is what professionals practice with. We practiced every lunch period for a couple of years. Shut the fuck. What do you have? What does he mean during lunchtime? Did they have a ping pong group? Where did his parents just bought him a ping pong robot?

What is his background? And he goes, I got pretty good. Needless to say, what an asshole? Was this like during school? Did he? Was he like? It had to be because lunch. He also had to be when he's younger, clearly, because when he said,

asked him if he built it or bought it. and he goes, I built it, I didn't know coding yet or something. Yet. I know. I wish he had just become a professional ping pong player and I would never have had to even think about. He's the best. He's the best. He's a great looking girlfriend.

I think you put that in a blog. I did. Yep. It's a point for him. Yeah, I had a great line in that blog. Let's hear it. I wrote coding bots and nailing thoughts. Wow.

Nice. You wrote that in the blog? In the blog. That's a great line. That's pretty good. No, that's a good line. Actually, I don't think anybody read the blog because nobody tweeted. readed that at me, that line, unless I just haven't checked.

Coding bots and nailing dots. Holy shit. I was pumped. I gave like a hand wipe. Like, oh, my work here is done after I came up with that line. What did you put on the Foreplay Instagram last night, the Instagram story of the, when the coating of the ball was being made, you wrote something. Let's make it, Eurathrain.

Let's make it Eurathrain. I thought, I chuckled to that last night when I looked at. It was just a video of Eurthane, just like, pouring into these. these cases to make the outer, you know, core of the golf ball. And he just wrote, like, let's make it urethane. Urethane. Urethrain. Yeah.

It was strong. It was good. I got a lot of replies to that. When people were like, I see what you're doing. They did that. But I don't think they knew that that was me. They just thought that was like the mysterious four-play poster, but that was me. So I've been having some fun lately with you know.

That was good. Yeah. Thank you. We also got TBC Boston, the Dell Technologies this week, which is tournament as a special place in my heart. I used to go to it every year when I was in school. we would buzz up and go at least one day and then when I lived in Boston

I lived in Southie for three years I lived in Back Bay for two years and almost every year that I lived there we would go for at least one day usually we would do the Sunday trip because it's obviously Labor Day weekend this is the Friday start Monday finish and the Sunday was perfect

because you could get out of work early on Friday because it's like a whatever it's a Labor Day weekend Friday every gets out of work early you go play golf on Friday afternoon then you play 36 all day Saturday and drink and have a great time. Then you get up Sunday and you go to the tournament all day Sunday. And then after you get back for drinking all day out in the sun of the tournament, all you have to do Monday is just lay on the couch and watch golf.

That's a solid play and you got there. Awesome, awesome weekend. So a ton of people, a ton of our listeners I know, are going to be going to TBC Boston this weekend. Have a great time. Yel for our guy, Kip Henley, because you're going to hear him in a little bit. He's the absolute man, give him as much support. him and Cookie, Austin Cook, give him as much support as you can.

A lot of people always ask us for advice on how to best, like, view tournaments. Yeah. I will say that the, if you can get there a bit early and get into the grandstand on 16 is awesome. Like the 16th hole is the par three with the water, where they got to carry water. It's not too long. It's like 180 or something like that with a ridge. Kind of like run into the middle of green. Really, really cool hole.

If you can get in that grandstand, go there. And the other thing is TBC Boston is like one of the most spread out courses. Or else if you get back on like the back part of the course by like six, seventh, and eighth holes, you can actually, there's not a ton of people over there because it's just hard to get to. And the course is spread out so much. So buzz over to that area. I think I want to say is it like the seventh or eighth hole? There's a cool part five where you can kind of hang out near the green and watch people rip second shots towards the green.

It's a great live golf term buzz over there. I feel like that's a lot of time. We're going to go buzz over to the 18th green. I hear that nonstop. That's great terminology at the golf tournament. Buzz over there. That's a little tip for all those going at TPC. Because you're not running, but you're walking past.

You're buzzing. You're buzzing. You get in there. There's a buzz going around. You know, people are there. Golfers are there. Big names are there. There's a buzz.

It is. It's like you can't use jog and you don't want to say I'm going to walk. I'm going to walk over there. I'm going to buzz right over. You're going to buzz. I mean, how many times if you think about it, how many times have you heard that? Like, I'm going to buzz over the 12th green. A lot. God.

I think you're right. I think you said it's subconsciously. I think you're right. I think I did say that. So yeah, drop that with all your crew a lot this week. Okay, we should, Riggs. I listen to Riggs. We should buzz over by eight.

You get in, you park, you're like, all right, guys, what are we doing? One guy just blurts out. Let's go buzz over there. And you all know what you're talking about. We all know you're listening. I want to say that eight is actually the par three. So it must be seven. That's the par five that I'm thinking about.

Great hole. Go check that hole out. TBC Boston it's going to be fun we'll be back on Tuesday we'll be back Tuesday to talk all about what happens at TBC Boston next up we got Kip Henley he is

the man this is really fascinating stuff he's been a looper for what did he say total like 14 years or something like that 14 yep he said about there 14 years 14 years been on the bag for Austin Cook for almost a year now ups and downs for him it's like a roller coaster of a career with money and getting on people

big breaks he was on the big break which I was oh We also forgot to say Tony Fee now finished second at the big break. What do the, I mean, we watched them make a golf ball at Tidalist and we were like, this is unbelievable. Our brains can't even like compute this right now. But what are the odds of being able to like make the perfect golf ball? What are the odds that we talked about Tony Fee now? And then we talked about the big break, which we haven't talked about ever since I've at least

been on the show. And then Tony Fee now finished second on the big break. It's insane. It's flying under the radar. We talked about Tony Fee now, always finishing a second. We talked about how great the big break is. And Tony Fienow was on the big break. And he finished second.

He finished second. So many people have been tweeting at us being like, I want it's trying to pull my hair out screaming at you guys. Like, you just talked about Tony Fiedow now you're talking about the big break. He finished second. On the big break. That sounded like Seinfeld. That sounded like Seinfeld.

That sounded exactly like it. He did a big break. So we had to give a second. Shout out to that. We got a million tweets about that. Shout out Colby again. I know Colby said he listened this morning when we were talking about him and Tony Fee now. He's like, man, I just was shaking my head. And we were actually just telling him when he was setting up our podcast in here, he can no longer not. He's now just in the mix to bet for Tony Fiena. He's the Fee now.

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Our buddy, Kip Henley, he is the looper, the caddy for Austin Cook. Had you on, I think Kippert's been since May of last year. It's been that long, my friend. How you been? I've been good. That's pretty sad, isn't it? So you were, it is. It almost, it feels like it's, it's, it feels like it's,

It was way... It doesn't feel that long. No. It feels like it was way more recent than that. Tell me you guys. Tell me you guys at least had some loopers on there and you just haven't completely shunned the looper. We had Taylor Ford on.

You know Taylor Ford? Yeah. Real well. Love that boy. He's a great dude. He's awesome. So, you know, we love the loopers. You guys are as important as anybody.

You know that. I was kidding. So last time we talked to you, you were coming off of the bag with VJ Singh. You were looking for something. for anything looking to get on the right bag? It looks like you found a pretty good one, my friend. I stumbled on a great one, didn't I? You know, I told you guys I was looking for a young stud

that could maybe get me on a couple of Ryder Cup teams or something before I'm too old to get it done. And, man, oh, man, did I find a good one? And I was looking for somebody sweet and personable. I found one of those, too. I got lucky. So how did it come to be? How did you find yourself on Cookies' bag?

You know, 100 years ago, you know, was a club pro and a teacher pro for a hundred years and one of the assistant pros that came through the system you know uh had moved on to other jobs around the country we kept in touch and he was a good player in those days so we hung out a lot uh he ended up being a head pro at johnsboro country club where cookie uh practices and stuff and cookie casually mentioned to him last year at the end of the year he had his web you know he had his tour card locked up coming off the web and he said he's thinking about getting a regular guy and adam says well i know a guy who can you say this quit VJ, it's been bouncing around, you know, from Deanback to Deanback.

Not Vijay's not a Deanback, but the guy's looking for a stud. And he said, maybe he ought to call Kip. And so he gave me cookies number. I didn't wait. And I said, the first time I said, I didn't even blow cookies. I swear I had no idea who he was. I don't watch enough TV or ball. And I said, is he a good kid?

And he goes, he's a great kid. And I said, well, you know, I got nothing now. I've quit BJ. I'll send him a text and just see. We said, let's start. And I can tell you a longer story. I'll add to it if you want me to tell you. But our first start was at Ohio State in the web finals.

You know, he had four web finals. He had to do it. Even though his car was already locked up. And I had been fired two years in a running in a row at Ohio State. Fathauer fired me there. And Cameron Percy fired me the next year after we missed the cut. So I was running over two. So me and Cookie go in there, we missed the cut, but Cookie didn't fire me.

And then we went top ten, top ten, top ten. It's just been a dream since then. So how were your thoughts? What were your thoughts of him right out of the gate? Are you looking at his game a ton? Are you kind of just like, hell yeah, I'm on a bag? Like, where is your mindset? No, I wasn't just happy to get on any bag.

I was so, I thought, golly, dang, where is this kid been, you know? Because, I mean, he hits it dead straight. He hits his iron's perfect distance and his short. game is like to die for it. I thought that all adds up to low scores. This kid's going to be really good. So after we missed that first cut, I thought, walking to the car and go, holy cow, I'm going to get rinsed again three years in a row at this damn Ohio State place.

But he kept me, and then next week we hit it off. You know, we hit it off good the first week. But in fact, you know what he said to me? The very second week, boys, he goes, you know what, Kip? He said, I'm after that rookie of the year this coming year. And I said, man, that's a great plan. get it, Cookie, and he's either one or he's two right now. Oh, Aaron Wise was giving us a fit, but we just had a, he had a plan from the start,

and I got to be the lucky guy that ride along with him. So you guys got the win in November. I think it was November 19th, the RSM Classic. Talk about the win, what it meant for you guys, what it meant for Cookie. Amazing, you know, the kid, you know, we had some decent finishes, but we had missed one cut, I think, leading up to, I don't know, we, before I think it might have been. But anyway, we go to the last tournament of the year at Davis-Lust Place,

and Thursday, I'll never forget this. Thursday afternoon, we had a pretty good practice session for the week, but Thursday morning warming up for the last term of the year, you know. Man, he's just hitting it like me warming up. And I'm thinking, what am I going to do the rest of the winter? This cat says to miss this cut. He's hitting it like dog crap, you know. So we go to the God course he doesn't miss a shot,

and just pure as it. She's like 600. He gets up real close to the lead. And then the second round was back at the plantation course. The second round, we were over at the seaside or whatever it is, the main course. And I think Cookie shot eight under that day in the wind, and no one could believe it. And he tore into the lead. So there, I'm on a rookie.

He's sitting on the league going into Saturday. He's got all his buddies flying in from Jonesboro and everything. And I'm thinking, holy crap, this is a bad idea. It's just going to be more and more pressure on him, you know. And I told Cookie that night. dude, you're going to hear a lot of crazy stuff. People are going to mean well, but they're going to say some dumb shit to you. I said, just let it come in one ear and let it go out the other man.

And he sits on the lead. Then he increases his lead on Saturday and sits on the lead again Sunday night. There's no way he can do this. You know, as a rookie, and damn, he didn't win by four shots. The last round, it was like a dream. It was just unbelievable. Fairytale story. Did you do some celebrating, Kipper?

Big time. And, you know, a side note to that, we played Saturday and Sunday with DG. You know, Brian Gay, by old loop, I loop for it for 11 years. We got paired with him. Brian was playing great. We paired with him on Saturday and Sunday. That's awesome. You've got to love the comfortable pairings are nice out there.

Oh, yeah, that was a good pairing. BG's easy to play with. He's chill out there like nobody's business. So let's talk about last weekend. A lot of people are buzzing your Twitter account. You're obviously very active on Twitter. kind of a little bit of fate. You were, like a week ago, we talked about it on the show.

You were getting into it with people about Tiger, you're defending Tiger. We are as pro-Tiger of a media outlet. You can already hear Kim laughing. He knows what's coming next. On planet Earth. I love it. We got to talk about a couple of different things.

Number one, maybe my favorite tweet of all time when you called that guy saying that Tiger played against a bad era, I think you called it the dumbest take of the modern era. Who was that guy? I can't remember who said that. That was dumb. Whoever that guy was. I think he's a pretty big dog, isn't he?

No, I think he's a nobody. Really? It was like Fox Radio or Fox Sports Radio or some weird thing. I don't know what that was. Well, that wasn't going on the limb too much then. But if I had to smash somebody important, that would have been even cooler. But God, that was dumb. No, we'll call it important.

You smash somebody important. But you were saying at the time, you're saying, look, anybody who thinks Tiger's done, anybody who thinks that he's not going to win, you know, more tournaments in the next couple years than everybody else is crazy. You know, you still hold to that? I do. You know, I did. I made a little bit of a bold statement when I said, oh, I wouldn't be shocked if he won more times

than anybody the coming year. And it wouldn't be that. But that big a deal. But I've said it all along, guys. I said it when it was as dark as it was going to be with Tiger Woods. I said, there's no way the cat's done. You know, his brain's too good. and his golf game's too good.

But then the back trouble and stuff, boy, it started looking kind of, I wanted to start beeping and backing up, but I bit, and I stunned out that this guy's going to come back. And, you know, when I listened to this boys, when I was in high school, they were writing Jack Nicholas off. And that was like 78, maybe college in 80. They were saying Jack Nichols may be done. And, I mean, how many times of that guy went after that?

And then he won the Masters in 86. This, right, Tiger Woods, the greatest player to ever lace them up, is crazy to say something like that. The guy's going to win again 100%. Oh, it feels so good to hear you say that. Incredible source. I know you guys love it. Oh, I mean, I'm containing my excitement.

I'm going to jump through the fucking roof. Well, and it's like, because we felt the same way. There were dark, dark, dark times with Tiger, and we all just kept doubling down, doubling down. And it turns out it hasn't come to full fruition yet, but we were probably right. There's a difference between getting jacked up with Tiger News and like the way Kip speaks with his incredible voice.

and he's so, like, jolly and soft and, like, so lovable that when you talk about Tiger, it's almost like the, like, you're giving me another version of Tiger Love. Like, I want to, like, get all cuddly in a bed right now and just have you, like, read me stories about Tiger Woods until I, like, fall asleep and have dreams and, like, jump on, like, like, clouds and shit and, like, there's a tiger, there's a tiger fan that, you know, gets jacked up and, like, wait, ready to run through a wall. Like, I'm ready to just, like, sit back, drink a transfusion and just have to just tell me to sports. How do you like my voice? There's nothing worse. Whenever I hear it like on a replay, I go, oh, my God. Why does anybody have me on their show? No, no.

You got a nice voice, Kipper. So this last weekend at the Northern Trust on Saturday, you guys are matched with Tiger. Talk about the excitement leading up to that, how you're feeling going into the Saturday round. So Cookie shoots 300 on Saturday, and I know Tiger's just like a couple of groups in front of us. You know, we haven't one opposite ways, but we got on the same number out to two rounds.

You know, we were both even par, so he was done early or late, and we were done early, so he went out first. He's like two or three groups in front of us. And we get done, cookie she's three under, and I don't think, you know, I think, you know, I think, God, that's a good score. We're moving on up, you know, and so it's nice. And then as I was fixing to leave the building, and I go, hey, does anybody know what Tiger shot? Somebody said he shot 300, and I went, oh, oh, then that's almost a lock that my guy and his guy

are going to be sitting right under and right over each other on the scoring list. And that means, you know, if he played two since the next day, you've got a 50, 50 shot. And I looked on my phone and sure enough, it was Tigrant in us. But under us was Perez, who's a complete badass, and I love him and his caddy. So I knew we were going to catch Perez, but are Tiger. And I went back to the hotel that afternoon and sweated that like you've never, like I was trying to get my tour card. I was, you know, and it bumped back and forth.

One guy would make a bogey, and then that would put us back down with Perez because it goes, you know, it runs one-two, one-two from the top. And as the guys make birdies and bogeys, you go from Perez to the tiger. I mean, we went back and forth 15 times Perez, Tiger, Turing. And then the last thing, it got down to where it was only like three guys on the golf course, and they would have had to make like three bogeys on the last three holes to all of them would have to do it or something. One of them had to do it. And I sweated that and it was over. man I was so 14 years boys I've been doing this never practiced around you know I spoke

with a tiger a couple times when you can corner him he's hard to corner and so it just turned out that man it hit and it came good as it's like a lottery I was a big tiger fan coming into it going into that Sunday but man I left the biggest of tiger fans Sunday afternoon so it was Sunday it was Sunday yeah it was Sunday wasn't it I got you Yeah, I think you're right. I think it was Sunday. What a stressful back and forth that was. That was, yeah, you're right.

That had to be, that sounds like a very stressful. So then talk about that morning, rolling in, like when did you first interact with them, where you kind of like more nervous than you were? Because we talked to Taylor Ford. He caddied for Stewart Sink on Saturday, I think maybe that's where I got mixed up at the PGA with Tiger. And he was kind of talking about those jitters before. What were the jitters like before? Well, you know what I was?

I didn't sleep first at dinner. of Saturday night at all. And, you know, this toss and turn on out for thinking about it. But honest of goodness, you know, Tiger had done his homework because of me and cookie, because Tiger entered the ring like the champion last. He came up like, I swear. He didn't have 50 seconds before Joe was started looking around like Joe walked up like three minutes before our tea time.

And then he starts looking off the end of the tea like is Tiger coming through the crowd anywhere because he got like a minute. And like 50 seconds ago, he'd come busting up through the tea just like, George Foreman, you know, and he walks straight up to me, and he goes, looking forward to to it, Kipper. And so he had done his homework, he'd ask somebody, who's that asshole that Caddys for cookies with a funny hat that he wears or wear? What's his name?

I mean, he may have known my name, but I'm pretty sure he didn't. But that made me feel good. But you know what? I wasn't even nervous. For some reason, a condo came over me, and all I do is stand there and carry shit. You know, Cookie had the hard job. He's the one. And Cookie, get this.

Cookie looks at me, and he goes, I'm more nervous than I was on Sunday of Sea Island. It's what he said to me on the tea. And I go, how did you do on that Sunday, little buddy? I said, you didn't miss a shot. Let's go. He piped it right off the first tee. It was beautiful. That's awesome.

Yeah, let's talk about Cookie. I mean, how is he, you know, I guess was he jacked up for the round? I imagine he's a young guy. He must have been a huge Tiger fan growing up. Yes, he's a huge Tiger fan. And it shows, you know, he contained himself during the day. He was, you know, polite and thought when talking to Tigers as much as he could. But after the round, you could see, man, he wanted pictures with him.

He got his dad and his wife pictures taken with Tiger Tiger was just as accommodating as he could be with it. But all 18 hoseboys going out with Tigers, it was more than you could ever imagine. The guy is just his forthcoming and, you know, in respect. He'll put out. He'll wait to put out sometimes because he know people will go crazy if he taps it in. You know, he's so thoughtful of everybody in his group. And, you know, he's still got the eye of the tiger in his eyes. But, man, he's a great cat to plague off with. What about Joey La Cava?

How was Joey out there? I've heard good things. Oh, Joey's the best. You know, he's a sports nut. But, you know, you've got to poke Joey to get him to talk. He's the old smart, smart caddy, you know, the old. old school caddy and he's not going to you know he's not going to come in and slap you on the back and laugh and have a great time he's a he's a beautifully pleasant cat but he's not he's not like me people don't get

sick at hearing him talk you know everybody wants to hear joy talk but he chooses his words but he was just a dream to go out with as well man he talked to me all day and this was helpful and i mean i can't describe how great that uh even though cookie shot too over that stunt but uh The whole experience was everything I could have hoped for. Yeah, I thought he grinded great because he clearly didn't have his best stuff, but he got up and down from a bunch of different places. He was putting well. Oh, my God.

Yeah, I thought it was impressive. Yeah, Cookie hit it like me Sunday, and man, he got it up and down like crazy everywhere. And then we pulled a couple, I say we, I pretty much pulled, I pulled two bad clubs on him on 14 and 16. We were between 7 and 8 on both of them, and we hit the 7 on 14 and the 8 on 14, and the 8 on 16, and we should hit the 8 and the 7. I pretty much talked to them to both of them. We had crosswinds, and I blew the wind.

But he still had a good way. He could have shot even far, no problem. And it's so bad because the short game bailed him out. So we've had a couple of incidents this year with guys playing with Tiger saying, I think there was Rory and J.T. made some comments like playing, you know, Tiger the crowds he has to deal with or a two-stroke disadvantage he's got. What were your thoughts on just the difference playing with Tiger with the crowds, then moving around?

Do you think it affected you guys? You think it affects him? What did you think about the crowds? It probably affected Cookie a little bit because, you know, he's a quiet cat and he don't like to hurt anyone's feelings. And there's just times out there when you get the, you know, the drunk, belligerent guys moving or talking and won't shut up. You have to kind of be somewhat rude. I give everybody a fighting chance once and sometimes twice, but the second, mostly the second. time and always the third time I'm coming down on you. I'm going to embarrass you if you don't

cooperate, you know, but actually pairing with Tiger is better than the group before or the group after because people are running to get set to scene and then they're running, you know, to go see his next to get ahead again. But I hollered up, you know, probably a little bit more than most people, but pretty much that's a good thing about Cookie. He's not one of these cats that sees and hears everything. You know, there's some of these guys that see everything. They should have been point guards because they see the floor like crazy, man. These guys see everything. But not cookie.

So let's talk about Cookie a little bit. I believe he's 36th in the FedEx Cup. Yeah, we failed. Yep. You know, the playoffs, right? The playoffs are still, it's been like a decade or so, but they still feel relatively new. They're talking about doing these new formats and all that. How much are you guys paying attention to where you stand?

How important is that to you guys? We're doing nothing. paying attention. More than anything, we want to try and nip that wise guy who's got ahead. That sounds funny to say that, the wise guy, who's a great kid, but he's, I think, with his finish last week, I think

he might have edged ahead of cookie. They both have a win. Cookies been way more consistent than Wise made way more, I think. Wise has missed half his cuts. But I think they got equal numbers of, like, top tens and wins, but he smashed us in the

first playoff event. So just to we're going to get after that to try and get back ahead of that. I would take care of business. You can't tackle the wise, but we're paying big attention. We've got to get in that top 30, boys. That's what it's all about. Top 30. That gets you into all the majors next year, and the world events is huge.

So we're certainly paying attention. What is the, you know, you talked about making sure you try to get into all the majors next year. What's your favorite event in the world to loop at? I mean, it's obviously Augusta. But, you know, I'd had two, I'd only caddied in the British Open twice, and we went to Turnberry once, and got paired with Faldo, and that was like going for a root canal. That was no fun.

And then I carried at St. Andrews, and it rained up. It was raining so hard, it blowed so hard. I swear to God it was running. It was raining up my umbrella, not down on my umbrella. That was hell on earth. And then my accommodation snunk. I didn't like it, but this year I got to go to Cardassi, and, man, I got good accommodating. and the weather was good

and the golf course was the best. The British Open was a badass event, but they all failed to meet the Masters, man, the Masters were. So I was born and raised in Chad Nugger went there 100 times as a kid and as a PGA member, I could go in for free, so

there's nothing like that. Which event treats Caddy's the best? Really, I call it Wakobi. The day on the Internet, you got answered the questions. So I hollered out me like crazy. It's been to Wakobi for like 15. years as the Wells Bargo, but they're kind of the bar.

They have us our own chef, and they do our laundry, and I mean, it's just incredible. The travelers kills it, and the lady that helps run this event here in Boston. They do have us in a cart bar, which sucks, and it's hot as it falls down there. But the food and anything we need, man, they're on. This is actually a pretty decent week for us. So the big break. We were talking about the big break the other day, and a bunch of people pointed out to us, our boy, Kip Henley, won the big break.

Do you miss, we missed the big break. We desperately missed the big break. It was an awesome show. What was it like being on it? It was the greatest thing that ever happened to my golf career at the time, you know? It got me, I was so broke. I couldn't pay attention by then because I've been trying to play, and I've gone through my savings and gone through my retirement,

and the wife just kept support me. So that was, I mean, I was broke. It was a joke when that thing rolled around. and they chose me to go on it. In fact, I think I had $80,000 in credit card debt, trying to make it on tour, you know. And I won $10,000, and I want a car, and then I got this hat deal, and then I got a shaft deal, and I got a collar deal, and it really got us all the way back to even,

and it helped me meet a lot of guys in the business and stuff, and it pretty much propelled me to this job that I got now, you know. But it got me four starts on the nationwide, and I was already in Memphis that year. So, I mean, it was a, it was the Kip Summer. I mean, some would say it was your big break. It was my big break, but then I squandered back, too. Oh, shit, Kappa.

Damn it. Damn it, Kipper. What kind of card did they give you? What kind of card did they give you? It was a Ford 500, and that's when they were cool. No one had them at the time. I got one. All right.

The first one's off the, the, the, the, production line and I told them I told Ford that I was probably going to sell it and they said we don't care and I said can I get it loaded I said get it all you want and I got that thing had it had it had a microwave it was loaded I sold it for I mean I think I sold it for like 27 28 grand and guys a deal ever what was the house like that you guys did you like hang out with the other guys or what oh my goodness they put us up now if you'll remember we stayed at a treasure I went out in Vegas, man. We went to all the shows.

And, I mean, I'll tell you one of the funny stories. I mean, the Golf Channel, because Big Break One absolutely exploded on them. You know, they had no idea what, and then Big Break One, just halfway through the season, every golf nut in the world was two to me. So they knew they had a home run. So they were ready for Big Break 2, which I was a beneficiary. I was on with Donatello stuff. So I remember, we're in the, you know, we fly there and everything.

We're in this big old bus. like, you know, important people. And we're pulling up to Treasure Island, and they have media and, like, paparossi and everything, and lights shine for us to get off that bus. I don't forget this. It's like hundreds of people wait to see, who is this badass to get off this truck?

So the bus pulls up, the doors open to me, and tot-of-tailed, skinny dog-tale, big old, big old Mike and all those idiots get off that thing. And I heard a guy go, who in the hell of those guys? but that's what it was but man they treated us so it was the experience was oh you can't imagine how cool that was we got to bring that show back that was the best show

we really do they need a caddy big break with all of us idiots and that would be that thing would destroy the ratings I promise to do the caddy big break I've been home run easy I've been saying forever Kip they need to the commentators on golf coverage live coverage need to just shut up and they need to just mic up the caddies and the players

because your guys back and forth over shots is the most fascinating thing in golf. It really is. You know what, boys, when I watch golf, I'll watch it fall asleep a lot of times when I come back to the hotel. But whenever I hear the players in the caddies chatting, I'll listen, you know. You just want to hear what's that guy telling him. I listen to get better, you know. I find out what's he putting in his guys a year and how is he describing. and what he asked to do.

Get all the information. You hear what their thing. You hear where they're aiming and stuff, and it's just the best way to, someday they're going to mic us. I'm pretty sure they will. They have to give us a little bit of a delay, and they couldn't embarrass if we tell them

or a little bit of a joke or something like that. I start talking about boats or something, you know. Yeah, no. You've got to be careful. What's the boldest call you've made with Cookie? The boldest call. You mean it on a club or a pie? Yeah, on a club.

You talk them out of a shot. You talk them out of a line. What was the, what was like the most, you know, kind of pushback that he gave where you ultimately were like, no, this is the right play. Well, you know what? Sea Island, for three days, once we tore into the lead on Friday, for the next two complete days, I couldn't think of anything but 16T at Sea Island because it is an absolute bear.

You know, it's a bunker straight away. and trashed down the right and it's like out of balance down the left it's a hazard but it's a repeat and I could not get that out of my head I thought God oh my please let my God just hit that fair away on Sunday with this you know if he's up around the lead

to make us money and so Brian Gay had eagled 15 and Cookie'd only made birdie so Brian Gay took the T from us on 16 and BG I don't know if he just got a bad win or just didn't feel it or water but he hit his ball looked like it had a damn rock tied to it when it took off it flew straight in the hazard my guy had to look at that thing oh my shit i didn't want him to see that you know the cookie gets up there this is the only time maybe i might

have made a difference for the turn of the four rounds but he goes you like driver and i go no not no hell no i said i like three just do your best to hit it in that bunker band i said it might can get there it may not but do your best as i said it ten times just hit that bunker hit in the bunker you know But every time he'd open his mouth, I'd go just hit in the bunker. I wouldn't let him. I wasn't letting him having anything else in his head. So maybe that one swing, he didn't miss a shot for four rounds. So I probably just pat myself on the back.

But I felt like maybe I helped him there. He split the middle of the bunker right in the edge of the fairway and wedged on there. I mean, it was a cookie was a complete badass that week. That's awesome. What's the most hungover round you've ever caddied for? It would have been a practice round When cookie tricked me one time He knows I like to have some pops at night

You know, but I'm pretty smart about it If I go early, I shut it down early If I go late, then I go a little bit later And a little harder, you know If it's hot, then I lay off, you know, I judge it There's no containing Kippa Once the night goes down I mean, the sun goes down

Give me a 2 o'clock tee cam And not hot temperatures It's going to be on the night took you through me a careful one day in a practice round he said we're going to go like at 11 or something so i judged it you know just right up to the shut down time door i could you know i know i don't want to feel bad when i'm caddy you know or have bad breath or anything so i do have my limitation but he promised me a late time and dang if he didn't switch it like at the mill like at 930 i was well i was already three sheets and quit he said i'm going to meet you at eight and i went okay and the next thing man i I was hurting. That was only a practice. I'm not stupid. I love my job.

I'm not stupid. I'm going to drink, but I'm going to show up sober and judge and ready to go, I promise. So TBC Boston this weekend, you know, you've been out there much yet. How's it playing? What can we expect? It's hot and balls out there. God, it's so hot up here right now.

It's supposed to be hot tomorrow. Cookie has a 12-40 or 140. tea time in the pro-ound tomorrow, and it starts off the back. It's 18 holes. So we went and played the front today because the weather looks kind of iffy in the afternoon. So maybe God will do us a favor and just let it be a nine-hole pro-am. Sorry, pro-am guys, as you hear this. But maybe we'll just get to play the back nine.

Cookie hadn't seen any of the holes until today, and we just went and looked the front nine. But, you know, I've been around here a hundred times. So I'm just like, Cookie hit it over there. He hit it this far, and he does it. He's coachable. I like it. Well, it's one of our favorite events because we're obviously Barstool, you know,

we're New England, we're founded in Boston originally, so a lot of our people will be out there. So, you know, you'll probably hear some people yelling for you out there, Kibber. You know what I heard somebody scream at Tiger the day? He just smiled. He didn't say anything. And he goes, what are the weekends for? What are the, is that what you guys are?

What are Saturdays for? Yeah, what are Saturdays for? He screams at Tiger, and he just kept his head down. But I saw him smile. I looked over. when some guy's screened to that I don't know who said it but it was fun. I'm like so tingling. That's awesome.

I like that a lot. You can tell you can feed me that, just inject that into my veins, Kippert. He could be lying to us and be like, oh yeah, that's good. They'll love this. We were leaving that little drivable par four up the hill, whatever hole that was, 12 whatever hole that was. Eight, what hole was that? I think it was 12.

Yeah, 12, yeah, up the hill. And that's right when Tiger, he had made Birdie there, didn't he? Hit it on. Yeah, Tiger had made Barry, he's walking off the green, and a good mood, and the guy yells, what are Saturdays for? I love it. He gave a little smile. That's great.

Well, Kit Penley, on the bag for Austin Cook. We're rooting for you. We've got to get that rookie of the year. We've got to take down the Wise Man. Yeah, we need some big old top five this week and lock up that Atlanta trip, too. That's the most important thing we're here to get done. I mean, the rookie of the year is going to be icing on a cake. It's a huge cake.

because Cookie is a rookie with three out of four majors and three of the playoff events of win. And like all but five, he made all but five cuts. I mean, the guy is absolutely killing it. And I'm the beneficiary of it. So, boys,

I'm having a great time. We appreciate you taking the time. We did have, we had cookie on in the fall. So that's why it felt like it wasn't that long since we had talked to Kipper, too, because, you know, you guys are a team. So we know he's a good dude.

He gets sick of talking about me. We know he's a great dude. We know you're a great dude. We appreciate you taking the time, and good luck the rest of the way, pal. Boys, I appreciate y'all having me on. I love to hear you and keep me updating on things. I'll come back on tomorrow and I'm not, if you want me. I'm kidding.

Don't wait a year and a half. That's crappy on y'all's behalf. That was bullshit. We apologize for that. That was a mistake. It's all right. I'll let you up this time. But I'm glad that be on here with you.

Boys, y'all are the best. All right, Kepber. Thanks, pal. Have a good week, pal. Thanks, Kip. Thank you. All right. Peace and love.

Huge thanks to Cap Henley for hopping on with the boys on a nice Wednesday night. Always good to have him on. What a jolly fella. We will have him on again sooner than last time because I feel like we disrespected him and we will have him on again sooner than later. That's a great point. Everybody enjoy your Labor Day weekend. Long weekend.

Got to love the long weekend. I kind of forgot about it until someone told me like two days ago. Isn't that crazy? It's weird out popped up. I can't believe it's the end of August. Summer's over. Also, I don't buy that summer's over thing because. September is technically part of summer

and it's just like the same weather. The only thing that changes is people have to go back to school, but that's not us. We're not in school. That's true, but it just feels like summer's over. It does feel like summer's over. We will be back, I guess, at the end of summer, which will be next week on Tuesday. Everybody enjoy the TBC Boston,

the Dell Technologies. Hit it hard. Hit it hard.