Fore Play - AT&T Byron Nelson Week w/ Billy Hurley III

Episode Date: May 16, 2017

The boondoggle boys are back at it again at TPC Potomac, interviewing Billy Hurley III, talking about the conclusion of The Players, Ian Poulter playing for second, if you'd take a golf ball to the face for $25K, and much more!You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

Hey, 4Play listeners. You can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Foreplay, presented by Barstool Sports. We're back. This might be the most out of place we've felt so far. Yeah, I got to tell you, it feels like we haven't done the show in like a month. It feels like Farity was a month ago, right?

It feels that way. It does feel like that was forever ago. I cannot believe that was only a week ago. Shout out to everybody saying the Farity interview was great. We had a great time with it. We hope everybody else did. It was a lot of fun. Appreciate all the positive.

That was a big moment. That was probably, to be honest with you, maybe the highlight of my professional career so far. Of your professional blogging career? Just professional career as a person who works for money. Well, I guess just probably my professional, because what was cooler before that? Nothing. That's true. Yeah, he was great.

Seeing him talking to him. There are even moments where we were just in the elevator with him. Yeah. And it was like. It's weird little moments like that. Small talk. I remember Brett was messing with the facts. Max machine to get ready.

There's me and David Faraddy standing there, and I was asking him about what the rest of this day looked like, and we were just talking about how he was about to go on Fallon. And it was a very bizarre, but very awesome experience. Very cool. Thank you again to the Golf Channel folks and David Faradie for having us in. And for being a good sport for making the video. That was cool. Yeah, we were a little nervous asking him.

Yeah. I mean, he's a nice chipper guy, but you just never know. You never know. And he's like, you know, he's got the three-piece suit, and he's got a whole entourage with and he's going on Fallon. He's got all the shit going on. We're like, hey, can you hide behind a plant on a stool and, like, do what we tell you to do? A few hours after that, he went to one of the most watch television shows in the world, Jimmy Fallon,

and we're making him hide behind a bush that's sitting on a chair that's on wheels. So it's been a wild week. Trent, I could not agree more if it was like that was forever ago. Now we find ourselves. We come to you live. It's AT&T Byron Nelson Week, but we are live. very near TBC Potomac. Yep, we're in Silver Spring, Maryland.

Yep. We're somewhere close-ish to D.C. We've been down here since Sunday night. We're just one day removed from the players, which we're going to get into. But we had a very, very fascinating interview with Billy Hurley, the third, who is the defending champ of the Quicken Loans National, which is moving to TPC Potomac, hence why we were there.

Yeah, so we, right after the players, me, you, and our new producer, or Sunshine, who's here with us. Sunshine's here with us. This is his first run. We're going to get into a couple, a little sunshine business. And a little bit here. But yeah, we hopped in a car, us three and Captain Kahn's right after the players ended, headed down to Washington, D.C., got in about midnight, and then went right to bed.

I don't know about you guys, but I went right to bed. Right to bed. And then woke up. Well, Captain Kons, let me say this, of Zero Blog 30 fame, was laying head at the foot of his bed watching VEEP. No way. Yeah, he's like, I'm going to. watch an episode of Veep and was watching it with his head at the corner end of the foot of his bed watching it maybe three feet from the television.

We got into DC slash Silver Spring at a little after midnight and we had to be up at probably 738. I passed out right away. I can't believe Con's did not do that. It was impressive, but I'm a big TV on when I sleep guy. Oh, I'm not. See, I'm huge, especially when I'm sleeping with a roommate. So I was all for it. I'll also say this.

You and Khan checked up, me and some. Sunshine shacked up. Me and Sunshine don't know each other at all. So we're just in a real hotel room together with this guy. I met a week ago. That's a barstool difference. I mean, it's,

you know, we're running this big ass golf podcast franchise situation. You got two people don't know each other. Sunshine we just met like a week and a half a day in general. That's the thing. I am sleeping in the same room with potentially a serial killer. We just don't know. You don't know shit about him.

I could have woke up and he literally nothing about it. You know in wedding crashers when Todd is over Vince Vaughn in the bed? I could have woke up and he could have been. face the face with me. The other crazy part about it is that he's like, he just walks into the office because we said he could. And now he's got access to everything. Yeah. Like all bars full stuff.

They're getting them passwords. They're getting them this, that. He has a key card now. He has all of our Twitter and Instagram and email passwords. You got anything to save yourself, Sunshine. So, Sunshine, introduce yourself to the people. Send nudes. That's his first thing you guys.

Strong. Strong. Sunshine's got an agronymic, what is it, background? agronomy agronomy background he knows about the ground and shit worked on a golf course

yep we stole him we poached him from vineyard vines yeah love vineyard vines stuff by the way for sure

but sunshine's in this is his first episode we threw him in the fire he had to record us running around TBC Potomac all day today he had to film us

running around DC monuments all kinds of weird shit and I was got to do the podcast almost midnight we're trying to get this shit up

so it's you know, it's a hectic first week. How are you feeling? Pretty good. It's good so far. Nothing too crazy, but definitely better than my last job. I can't say anything more positive about this so far. Did you feel weird about the hotel room last night? I, you know, I was going to feel out the situation. I didn't want to make any decisions when, you know, you act two going to. I figured I'm just going to let this, you know, fall as it may. I don't even know. Yeah, I don't know. And then I just, I don't know. I love it. It's great. Nothing weird happened.

It was just weird. You're in the room with a person you just don't know. Well, we had the room with somebody. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So what are you going to do? At least we had two beds. We did have two beds.

We didn't share beds. That would have been wild. We just, I just did the thing I went to bed right away. I just didn't want to deal with it anymore. So we're here. We're in, where are we at Silverwater? Silver Spring. Silver Spring.

It's easier just to say D.C. D. We're near D.C. We're driving back at 5 a.m. So we get back into work at a decent hour. anyways we're hot off the players championship uh anything else oh i also we have to talk about the french embassy oh yeah for those folks out there we drove by the fucking french embassy today having no idea

what it was the place the french got to be the most secure people in america right who is attacking the french embassy that they if you drive by this place it's like for real fort knox it looks like they're thwarting off like north korea right now just the embassy there were four layers of fence before you even got like the guard shack to get in there were like red buttons and like lights outside on this intense whole like security area was like this massive black gate like fucking mordor and then way back in there was this like super modern castle of an embassy it was crazy it did look like modern art the way that it was like built and constructed it was it was like i didn't know i kind of have a new found respect

for the French that they're that guarded up. I never seen it like that. I know the other way. It makes me suspicious. What the fuck's going on in there? Yeah, but I just thought they'd be like, whatever. And they were like, we're not fucking around here.

That's true. So French embassy was wild. Another thing, Sunshine's been doing all the driving. He drove from New York to D.C. He drove all around. He's killed us, almost killed us twice already. It was not me.

There was no way he was my fault. Robbie Fox didn't kill it. He tried to kill us once driving in the wrong way traffic. Sunshine has done it two times on this trip. We've been here 36 hours, maybe. Maybe the most egregious driving air I've ever seen. He literally made a left turn at like a huge intersection. And you know, there's a divider in between the two like three lane roads. Yeah. He just went into the left side so we're going against traffic. And I already know what sunshine's going to say. So I'm not going to let him say it. He's going to say that he followed the other car. Hey, take some fucking

initiative by yourself and blaze your own trail. Yeah. And don't almost get us killed. Yeah. It was an incredible trip down here. Yeah. We still got to drive back. So when people are listening to this, who knows what our fate's going to be. I have to say, though, a lesser man would have gotten into an accident. It's true. It's clear the air.

He did avoid cars. We're driving my car, too. That would have been a devastating start, I think, to the relationship. And one last thing on Sunshine, he's a lefty. Lefty on the golf course. We figured that out. Let him hit a couple shots during our TBC Potomac course review, which we're going to put out the week of the last.

week of June when the tournament, which is when the Quigalong National occurs. On to the players' championship, we're just one day removed. Siwu Kim, who quickly catapulted to my favorite golfer in the world. Yeah, been a big Siwu Kim guy for as long as I can remember slash 36 hours ago. Just nails on that. I'm all about that guy. Yeah. The minute that everyone else faded, which we're going to get into.

Which was everybody. Which was everybody. We'll just get into it right now. I wrote down somebody's scores. J.B. Holmes, 84. What? 84? That's insane. Carl Stanley, 75. Miliano Greo, 75.

Lucas Glover, he didn't, he had a great round, but he got it to 8 under and then bogeyed four of his last six holes to just shoot 70 when he could have really thrown his hat in the mix there at the end. Patrick Cantley with a 77. Louis Eustazen, 73's not terrible. But when he was just one back going into the final round, You're thinking that guy, major champ, has been a playoff and two other major championships. He didn't shoot anything under par.

Sergio Garcia, 78, it's insane. Everybody was just falling by the wayside. And nobody would say this was an electric leaderboard heading into Sunday anyway. It was pretty boring, pretty bland. But then you have all the head guys falling back and shooting high scores. And then comes our arch nemesis, Ian Poulter, coming out. And if he just plays well, he has a chance to win this fucking thing, which is why we hopped on the Seawook-in bandway.

He looked good on the front nine. He was the machine. He was driving us. He didn't bogey hole for like 40 straight holes. No, he was hitting it in there tight. Even on the ninth, when he finally hit a dog shit wed shot to the back of the green on nine when there's front bend, hit a terrible lag puttut and then made like a 15-foot slider and gave one of his douchy little Poulter undercut his pump things. That was maybe the low point in the player's championship for me.

And that's the thing. Poulter, all you need for him to do is make one mistake and he gets frustrated and starts, you know, yelling at the gallery, yelling at his caddy. He was on cruise control, which made him almost unstoppable, which was what was frightening. Yep. And we're going to, we're going to cover a lot of the drama that happened with Poulter afterwards with some of the other guys, but I don't want to leave C. Wu Kim yet. Youngest player to win the player's championship ever. 21 years old.

overtook Adam Scott in that regard. Also, he was caught today, Monday, which is when we're recording. He was middle seat on his plane out of Jacksonville. Coach, common man, common golfer, one of the players' championship. Yes and no. Look, coach, I'm all about. I've never not blown coach. I don't even know what it's like to not blow a fly coach.

Middle seat is like, I'm me. many money I got nothing. Yeah. I'm sitting in a room with you schmucked right now talking about these guys. We had to share hotel rooms. We're sharing hotel rooms. We almost died. I'm sharing one with a potential cereal. Some jane doesn't know how to drive. All that. You know all the details. I pay the like $81 upgrade or whatever it is if I have to. Yeah. Not be in a middle seat. Yeah. No matter what. Middle C. Say what. Say what you want about office manager, Brett, but he does ask us like, do you want to sit a window seat and we're like absolutely. So he's pretty good about that. You got see Wu Kim. Kim.

You just won whatever, probably like $1.2 million. Dude, you can. It was, it's like 1.7 or 8. Is it really? It's hot. What is it? 1.8? Sunshine's doing like lip sinks over there.

Yeah. You can just say it. So 1.8, even higher, he could just buy a private jet and fly wherever he needs to go. He could do anything. You're right. It's common manish. Don't mind the coach thing. I'm a little nervous about the middle seat thing.

That's kind of psychopathic stuff. another little tidbit here the fact that so south korea they kind of need to figure their shit out with the professional athletes he you have to do mandatory two years of military service which what sang moon bay is off doing right now but you're exempt from that if you win one of the majors and that's it do you think the players have i was just going to say how the fuck they're going to look you in the eye i don't know how much about i don't know that much about the south korean guys government and to say that, I don't know anything. Do you think he could, A, just be like, it's the players, it's what some people call

the fifth major, or could he just be like, hey, the players is a major, and I'm just going to convince you that, and we're going to not make me do military service? No, I'm kind of, maybe I'm just a little woke because the French embassy's got me all thinking everybody's really into shit. Yeah. But I think the South Koreans do not mess around. That sounds right to me. I think they're like, they're on the ball, especially because they got, you know, Kim Jong-on

right up the street there that's like knocking at their door nonstop so they cannot be lazy out there. Part of me will respect South Korea less and I have, I don't know where my respect level is at with them currently, but if they are like, oh, it's the players, it's close enough, he doesn't have to do his military service. I'm, I'm not saying I won't see who Kim to have to do military service, but I want South Korea to stick with their guns on the same. I'm telling you, South Korea's military doesn't strike me as like a, you're close enough

type of work. It's not like a casual, like, hey, where, whatever you want. I just don't think so. No, I'm going to agree with you. I'm not like the most South Korean military guy. Yeah, I'm just saying that's my instinct. Also with the players, we had a good handful of JJO shout-outs, which was very cool. I want JJO to become like the new, you know, Baba Booie.

I know some people hate that shit and I get it. They don't like when people yell in their back swings. But I think JJO is a little subtler. It is. A subtler word? More subtle? More subtle. More subtle.

Yeah. I think JJO is more subtle. And you made a great point in the car. Anything that ends with O is a great, like, yellable word. Yeah, JJ. Oh. Oh.

Perfect. It's great. So shout out to our idiot co-worker, Kevin, who came up with that, KFC. He did. One of his more intelligent theories he's ever had. Yeah, we're both wearing J.J.O. bands right now. We'll have to get Sunshine One. He's not wearing one.

We'll get Sunshine One. Go grab a band. But, yeah, if you're ever looking for something to yell, make it, don't. Bababooie is so. People don't even know what that reference is anymore. No. I know because,

I just, I just do, but other people don't. J.J.O. is the new Baba Booie. Let's hear some J.J.O.s out there. Yeah. So that's a lot of the players talk. Siwu Kim. He, he was kind of a magic man, getting up and down, left and right, coming down the stretch with his wedge play. Speaking of wedge play, I'm going to tell you about some of our friends, our friends over at BombTet Golf.

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Go get your wedges right now. All right. We got to get into Ian Poulter. Yep. Really the only thing that made the players interesting because, like we said, the leaderboard not packed with a lot of storylines. So we begrudgingly had to just root against Ian Poulter for 18 holes, basically. Yeah, it made it interesting because you really,

I would have been 10x more devastated if Poulter would have won than I would have been excited if anyone on the leaderboard would have won. Agreed. And so it was anybody about Poulter

that sounds a little cliche, whatever, it was true. Trent was like yelling at the TV every time Si Wu Kim made a putt. Yeah, we watched the players together because we are going to head to D.C. It afterwards. We were, I mean, I wasn't the only one yelling at the TV when,

Winnie and Polter. No, no, we were excited. Okay, good. But you were extra excited. I was extra excited because Siwu Kim, my guy, he's been my guy forever. He's now up against my arch nemesis. So to see him prevail, to see him play well and then, you know, go to 17 was the most, like, nervous shot I've ever been a part of.

And then for him to stick it and pull it out over Pultor felt great. It felt very good. It did. We got to get into this talk about Poulter. not playing to win. He started getting roasted immediately. Yeah, I'll be curious to see where we go with this one on our opinions. They might be different from each other.

But let's set the stage. So Brandl Shambly, who everyone knows, went on air right afterwards and said, this is what he said, about Poulter. He clearly did not play to win and he didn't. That's what he said. There's more to it. But basically what the sentiment was, Polter laid up a couple times when he could have gone for the win.

Yeah, so on 16, he was like, I think, 227 or something around there, out in the right rough. The original announcer, it might have been parity. I'm not sure exactly who it was, but went over, checked out the lie, said on the telecast, his lies as good as he could imagine. Yeah. For being in the rough there. Polter goes over.

At this point, he's two shots back from Kim, but he's firmly in second. He lays up, and then he hits a wedge to 40 feet, 35 feet, something like. that. 17th. Obviously the pins tucked on the right over on that little knob. He hits one in the middle of the green, 30-something feet, something like that. Two putts. And then 18 was a little bit of a disaster.

He had an unbelievable shot to make a bogey. But unreal. Those shots, when you're trailing by multiple when you're down two, and the guy behind you're playing great, you need birdies. Everybody knows you need birdies. He very clearly had done his calculations. I think he was eight under at the time. and basically had convinced himself, in my opinion,

if I get to eight under, I'm going to finish second place, and that's like a little over a million-dollar paycheck. Yep. Okay, so Polter, once he gets done with his round, gets the Twitter fingers and quote tweets the guy who quoted Chambly. He said, Poulter said, sorry to disappoint, I can only dream of being as good as Brandel. Randall.

Brandel. That was weird. You just churched him up a little bit. It's clearly very, very, easy sitting on your arse. Thanks for the support. Okay. Let's press pause. Okay. Who is in the wrong and who is in the right in your opinion in this situation? I think everything that Brandel Chambly said is completely accurate. Okay. So we do agree on that point. Because there is a school of thought where if Poulter did play for second, is there anything wrong with that? No. And Chambly even said

that in his comments. He said it's totally fine. He even went as far as to say, I've hit that shot before many times. His point was that Ian Poulter, you will never be considered great. You will never be able to pull off the type of moments that are considered iconic, great moments that people like Tiger Woods have pulled

off. Yes. Because you played for second play. And even Shambly said, because in Poulter's thing it says it's very clearly, or it's very easy sitting on your arse, Shambly admitted to that too. Right. I know it's easy to sit here and say this, but that doesn't make it not true. Right. And then Shambly and ended up getting hit from everyone on social media with the, oh, classic Chambly, what'd

you have one tour wood blah, blah, blah, where it's like, the guy is paid to be one of the top analysts. So he's going to analyze and he's a, you know, he commentates, he analyzes, he's going to analyze and comment and comment on what happened. That's more speaking to that as Brantle-Shambly because David Farity could do, he'll, he could say the same thing and people would be like, oh, I agree with you. It's just because people don't like Shambly. He's got all that, you know, the baggage from the past and the controversial comments he's made and all that.

I understand why a lot of people don't like Shambly. He's got a little bit of that self-righteous tone to him. I love Shambly. Yeah. I think he's great. And I think he was absolutely spot on here. This really is between Ian Poulter and Brayl Shambly. Really a budding of heads of two of the biggest douchebags.

It's definitely in golf and maybe in sport. We also had our guy, Elk, who was tweeting at me down the stretch about Poulter finishing second. which is great, you know, elk cracks me up every time. And he was, you know, he's right there in the Chambley boat, which I think we agree as well. I mean, it was just obvious. It was very, very obvious. It was great. I mean, Boulder was playing this way, super cautious, and then just shanked one and got a horrible bounce on 18 that went underneath a tree.

Shout out to the guy on 18 watching his ball go down the carpat in the wrong direction, cheering and pumping his fist as it happened. He had a one arm up, fist pump. That guy is a hero. He's a nameless hero, but he's a hero nonetheless. Fist pumping, pulled their ball going away from the hole on the cart path towards a bush. It is just, that's a foreplay guy. That's a foreplay guy.

I mean, he definitely listens to the podcast. He has to. That's absolutely a for play guy. All right. Anything else on headlines, Trent? We did have Rory who had an MRI, it looks like, pretty much of everybody expected. Yeah, he's got a little lingering, you know, hip issue or ribs issue from his earlier i think january injury you know what you know what

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up next trip. our boy Billy Hurley the third we interviewed him in person in the executive suite at TPC Potomac. Very nice guy defending champ like we said when we interviewed him he's got a great story he's got an incredible background

he's had a very emotional story over the last year and a half we touch on so we definitely touch on it and also I don't know if we plug it in the interview itself but he wrote a Players Tribune letter I think we did touch on the interview but definitely go check that out it's very very interesting

Very touching. Make sure you go check that out. This is our interview with Billy Hurley, the Third. All right. We are now live from TPC Potomac. We are at Media Day for the Quicken Loans National. We were very lucky to be joined by the defending champion, Billy Hurley III. Billy, thanks for joining us.

Absolutely. Good to see you guys. They put us in the executive suite, which makes us feel a lot more special. This room is very off-brand for us. This is not the type of room. Not for the bar stool, folks. If you saw the podcast studio that we normally recorded And it's a big difference with the stuff that's hanging on the walls.

We should have got here a couple hours earlier. This is nice. This is very nice. So first of all, let's start with the players. You must be exhausted because I feel like about 12 hours ago we were watching you finish up on Sunday. And now here you are in D.C. Yeah, actually, probably under 12 hours ago. I got off the 24 hours ago.

Right. I got off the golf course down in Jacksonville. So, yeah, but it's good to get home. Always nice to get home in between events and get kind of a day of rest. It's a little bit easier to rest at home than it is even. on the road yeah absolutely and uh so just to talk about the players um pretty good week for you obviously made the cut 241 it's one of those uh players one of those events that it's you know it's obviously a huge event everybody loves it but the course everybody i feel like nobody's in

love with the course how do you feel about the course well i thought they did a really nice job with um the changes that they made and the new greens were fantastic at sawgrass and And like I said, with the new greens, they softened some of the slopes and made them more accessible, made some new pins on four and one. Right. You know, obviously they redid the 12th hole completely. Yeah, what you think of the 12th? I thought they did a good job at a first iteration of the 12th. I think that, you know, over the next two, three years we'll see it change a little bit more and maybe become a little bit softer on the last.

left side. I thought that was a little severe, which is why you didn't see many guys go for the green. Yeah, what was the way you decided to attack it? Because there's two schools that thought you either go for it or you lay up and just kind of chip in. Right. Yeah, I laid it up all four days, partially because I wasn't driving it great. So didn't have like that, you know, great driver swing that you would need to have to put it on a green. Did you make that decision before the round? Or were you mid-round sometimes like, if I'm driving it well? Yeah, I think that was probably more the more of the feel you know on on Thursday I started on 10 so it was pretty much like we're not going for it you know you got two holes under your belt and you're going to you know swing a driver

at the middle of the green right doesn't sound like a good idea uh Saturday I was I was tempted to go for it um probably only would have needed a three wood to get like around the front front edge of the green based on the wind and stuff like that but you know still just laid it up and um you know I finally birdied it on Sunday, but I had to make a 50-footer to make birdie. That's kind of not what you're supposed to do on a 300-yard hole. But at any rate, a three is a three. But overall, like I said, I think that they did a nice job with the changes. They made the golf course more aesthetically pleasing as well.

They cleaned out some of the rough-bidge areas. Yeah, that's really pretty. And even just throughout the whole course, you know, opened up some of the wooded areas. you can see through and took out some of the bushes, I think, you know, that kind of blocked views around the golf course. So it was a much more pleasing to the eye golf course. I mean, it definitely is a very, very hard golf course, and there's not a whole lot of easy shots out there. What is it around the greens there? I just feel like people have the weirdest lives nonstop. Well, it's at Bermuda, you know, and it's kind of, you never know, especially in May,

what sort of growing season you're going to have and how is the bermuda going to be thick or thin or sparse or healthy and and i think that that's what leads to the you know definitely the inconsistency around the greens and in the lives but that's just bermuda rough in a sense of how it how it is it's a little pete die he's just got he's got you guys you're always one foot in one foot out there's always a knob somewhere there's always an awkward stance you know and uh yeah absolutely so let's go back a little bit. You're obviously Navy guy, 2004 grad, quantitative economics.

How does that help you out there? Yeah, we don't do a whole lot of quantitative economics. That's quantitative economic. I don't even know. Do you know what it is after a study? I certainly can't spell it. Right. You know, but I did okay in the classes

and they put it on my degree. So basically quantitative economics is economic theory with more math. It's just kind of, you know, instead of just the theory we did a lot of numbers and kind of put numbers to the theory to make it have more quantitative analysis in that sense. So like I said, I did okay at the classes, but it was the right major for me. I enjoy math, and so it was a nice mix of theory plus numbers for me. So you're very accomplished young golfer, amateur golfer.

You're deciding, you know, where to go to school, where to play your next. level of golf what made you decide to go into the name well really the Naval Academy was the only school for me it was actually the only school I applied to and I just fell in love with it I got a tour of the Naval Academy after my freshman year of high school and that was it hook line sinkers like you know honor courage commitment you know this is me this is me it just it was not the right school for everybody it was the right school for me it just really fit kind of my personality and kind of who I was as an 18, 20-year-old. So 2004, your Patriot League player of the year,

you also won the Bayern Nelson, which is top college golfer and sportsmen. Now you've got five years of service coming up. What was that feeling like with, you know, your game was so great. I believe you were the sixth ranked amateur in the world. Talk us through that a little bit. Yeah, you know, it was kind of just one of those natural progressions for me,

You know, as an 18-year-old, I was not on anybody's radar as the next, you know, Jordan Spee, Ricky Fowler, Justin Thomas kind of guy. You know, I mean, those guys were, you know, ready to play the tour when they were 19 kind of thing. And, you know, that was not me at all. And it wasn't, the tour was not like an imminent or, you know, even predictable path that you would have put me on, even, you know, 20 years old halfway through college. And so I knew. I signed up for. I knew what I, you know, committed to do, and that was, you know, what I was going to do. It wasn't really, um, no surprises. No surprises. It was just, you know, I went to the Naval Academy and I knew what that meant and I was going to serve my country. So five years of service, two, um, two of them you're deployed in the Persian golf. Are you playing much golf at all? There's not a whole lot of golf in the middle of the ocean, you know, so, um, yeah, we, uh, for the better part of two years there on USS Chung.

I was a recreational golfer. Certain points in my service time, like when I actually was teaching economics at the Naval Academy, I was able to play a good amount of golf during that time. But, you know, on board ship, you know, I averaged for those two years. I played five competitive days of golf in those two years. And I probably played, you know, one to one and a half times a month if you average it out for two years. Jeez. Wow.

That's a big, you know, that's stunning. you know, when you consider who you're going up against now and kind of what they were doing at that time of their life. Right, right. No, I mean, I'm out there in Hawaii on my ship, and I'm watching, you know, my Walker Cup teammates, Anthony Kim, J.B. Holmes, and those guys win, win golf tournaments. You know, Jeff Overton make a Ryder Cup team, you know, all these things, you know, while I'm, you know, out there just, you know, doing my job in the Navy. So 2009 comes around. Now you've done your five years of service.

You start getting back into competitive golf. What was that transition like? It was a lot harder and I thought it was going to be. You know, I, like you said, in the summer of 2009, I finished my five-year commitment and got out of the Navy, came back to Annapolis, Maryland, kind of just get my feet wet and golf again, started hitting balls again, you know, every day, practicing, putting it all in there. And, you know, I played a couple of tournaments there in August of 2009, and I kind of knew I wasn't ready, but I knew I had to, you know, play it. some point in time and I think I missed I played three mini tour events and I missed three cuts by a shot each you know and you just kind of it was uh you know I kind of had in my head I think when I got

out of the Navy it was going to take about six months to be you know back into it and um it took about nine months and so those those three months while not a big difference felt like a long time like when you just kind of didn't see anything out of the effort you're putting into it I feel like you had to know, deep down having had such a different path that five years where you're not really playing competitively at all, that you're only missing cuts by one shot. You've got to know, okay, I've got it. I've got what it takes.

Well, yeah, I mean, in one sense, looking back at it, you can look at it that way. When you're in the middle of it. Would you rather be missing cuts by, like, 20 shots than missing them just by one? I mean, I guess, you know, you always want to shoot a lower score than, you know, anything one better than something is better. Right. I mean, so, but missing cuts by a shot is hard. Like, it's just, it just is the worst, you know. Especially you can go back through any round and pick.

Absolutely. So many different shots. Yeah, it doesn't matter, it doesn't matter what level you're playing golf at. Missing cuts by a shot is really hard. And then when you combine that with the, you know, mini tour lifestyle of just shelling out cash and coming away with nothing, that gets hard too. So 2011, you're on the nationwide tour. you have a great year there make it to PJ George 2012 you missed keeping a card by a hundred and sixty five dollars yeah we're just making Billy relive it yeah we're gonna get

to a point we're we get real positive when you missed the cut by one shot then missed it by 165 bucks just reliving the days I mean so yeah the funny thing about you know $165 is like that's not even one shot that's like right one hit guy. That's like the difference between being like tied for 55th with six guys versus tied for 55th with five guys. Right. I mean, so it's like, I mean, we're not even talking about like one shot. We're talking about a tie with one other guy or something about the course of the year, right? So, you know, it's funny. We got really used to living on the bubble there for a while. You know, you mentioned when I got my card in 2011 off the nationwide tour, I finished 25th, which is the last

guy in to get this PJ tour card off of, you know, now the web.com tour. And, you know, I mean, you And so that was, you know, right on the bubble, down to the last shot, down to the last guy on the golf course, that last tournament, you know, of the year. And then, yeah, same kind of thing. You know, missed your card by, you know, $165, which came down to, again, somebody else, you know, their last, you know, nine holes of the last tournament of the PJ tour season and not even like, you know, me having my fate in my own hands with just my own fault, I guess. But, yeah, we just got used to the bubble, and certainly, you know, that was a disappointing end to my rookie year. So a couple years later, you know, you're back, you're playing, of course, much better. You're more on the trajectory, I think, that I'm sure you, you know, you plan to be on. You qualify for your first U.S. Open.

You've already three or last four holes in qualify. What's that like going into, you know, get it, first of all, qualifying for? and then, you know, playing in your first major championship. Yeah, that was really a pretty big turning point for me in 2014 there. And, you know, I had a very nice run there from the U.S. Open all the way through to the British Open. I ended up qualifying for the British Open right after that and kind of, you know. So, yeah, those last three holes were pretty good. Yeah, Brady's three of the last four.

I remember that. I hit a two hybrid on 16 to about three feet. You know, it was kind of, well, it was just one of those shots where it was like, well, we've got to have it. Yeah, it's just, you know, you got to have it. There was no middle of the green there, you know. It was just, you got to have it. And so it was, you know, a great shot.

I mean, still kind of remember it, you know. So, yeah, and then going into my first major at Pinehurst that year, It was definitely a spurring on kind of moment there for me. What was Pinehurst like that year? Because I think it was, you know, it ended up being Martin Kimer kind of ran away with it. But Pinehurst with, you know, a lot of the tradition that's had now and had the renovation. Yeah, it was a completely different Pinehurst. It was the first time that, you know, we on tour had played a tournament at that Pinehurst.

Obviously, there's been many majors at Pinehurst, but with kind of the centerline irrigation. and really dry on the fringes of the fairways and then into the kind of native areas that they had. It was a tough test, I mean, especially with the rage dreams there and everything. But, you know, got a lot of experience. I remember I played Sunday. I think played Sunday with Zach Johnson there. You know, and that's, you know, learned a lot from watching him do it. And, you know, since learned a lot from a lot of other guys, you know, just kind of watching them go about their business.

So let's get into the Quicken Loans National. We're here now. Obviously, this tournament, this is your neck of the woods from this area. You have a very emotional connection to this tournament with the story with your father. And we were talking about the player's Tribune article beforehand. And a lot that you talked about in there about really focusing on remembering your father's life, not necessarily the death or any of those circumstances. What does it mean to you to come back here this year as the defending champion at a tournament like this that's so emotional for your family?

Yeah, I haven't really thought about it in that sense. I mean, obviously, you know, last year winning the tournament and, you know, having kind of the history that you alluded to with the tournament and my father's experience and ultimate suicide, you know, it's, it's, it's, uh, you know, it. It's just like storybook stuff in a sense of like, you know, when you look at it. Because you can combine all that stuff, and that would be one thing over here with like kind of the history of like what went on in my family around this particular tournament. But then you add in the fact that it's here near my hometown, you know, the closest tournament that we play to both where I grew up and where I live now. And then it's also the like flagship event to honor the military. Right. And, you know, being the only veteran on the PGA tour, I mean, that's important to me and near and dear to my heart.

And so, you know, when you add, like, all three of those threads together, it kind of becomes a little bit unbelievable. It is. It's like a movie. It's an incredible story. And everything the Quicken Loads National does, like you said, with the military, and we've got a boy Cat and Con sitting here who's going to sit down with you a little bit later. But they give away 30,000 tickets annually. So, yeah, all of that just seems so incredible. What is it like, or what do you think it's going to be out of being a defending champ

at a course that's a different course than the one that you wanted on? Yeah, I mean, that's always kind of is a little strange. I think for anybody who, you know, defends at a different course, you know, when you win somewhere, you'd probably just rather go back to that place. Put me back there, I'm good there. That's right. That's right. Let's go back there.

But, you know, this is also here at TBC Potomac is special to me because it's where I spend most of my time practicing when I'm home too. So, you know, I've definitely played the course more than, you know, most guys have. I wouldn't claim to have played it a lot because I'm not home a lot. Right. But when I am home, you know, I practice out here. And, you know, I think that guys, tour players are really going to like it. They might not like how difficult it is, but they'll definitely enjoy how well done it is. The club does a great job, and the core staff and professional staff here do a great job.

And so it's going to be, I'm sure, just in mint condition for the tournament. So everybody will enjoy that. We're a little nervous about you, you talking about how difficult it is, because for those that don't know, we're going out, media day to play it this afternoon. Yeah. So it's probably going to beat us up pretty good. It'll beat you up pretty good.

Take an extra couple golf balls. Okay. Good note. So I want to get in a little bit to the, how you closed out in tournament last year. We watched a little bit of highlights here this morning, going back through it, the hole out on 15, because everything was, you know, it was really tight,

and then all of a sudden you chip in on 15. Did you kind of, at that moment, were you kind of thinking like, all right, this is happening. I'll do it with. Yeah, I think that I walked around the front nine kind of not with any momentum and not, you know, hadn't really got anything going. And I remember on, I think it was like eight or nine, like walking up the fairway just going, no, this is supposed to happen. Like, this is going to happen.

I thought this was going to happen today, but it's not happening. Yeah. It's not having it. We're not really. I mean, we're still, I was still leading the golf tournament, but it wasn't like, I was like really in control. And, you know, it was still, you know, it was a one shot. shot lead or something at that point in time. So, yeah, that chip-in definitely went from, man, is this, I think, is it going to happen?

Like, this should happen to, no, this is happening. This is going to happen now, you know, and I remember, you know, that pitch was one where you're just hoping to get it inside six feet to make a buck to par. And, you know, then it disappeared into the hole. It was really crazy. And I remember thinking after I got the ball out of the hall, I was like, okay, I just have to hit the ball in the fairway. There's some deep bunkers on 16 on either side on the par five. And so if I hit it in the fairway on the next hole, I should be able to figure it out from there.

You know, and so that's immediately kind of where we went was just kind of like sitting over to the side of the green and just trying to, you know, calm back down and, you know, come back to a, a level of adrenaline that's sustainable. You still got three holes to play. And, you know, hit it in the fairway on the next hole, which I did. And I was able to, you know, kind of cruise it in from there. Yes, you buried 16 and then, you know, you come up 18 with a very comfortable lead. Everybody likes to have that drama and those dramatic finishes. But that comfort level coming up 18 with everything that was going on, I had to feel nice.

Yeah, I remember thinking the night before that I wanted to. to step on the 18th C with a four-shot lead. Like that was kind of, you know, that seems, that's a good goal. Yeah. And I kind of quick hit a put on 17 that would have given me a four-shot lead, but I also didn't want to have a three-footer coming back on 17, you know, so we just kind of, you know, made kind of a two-putt there on 17. So I had a three-shot lead, and yeah, definitely was, I hit a really good drive on 18.

But I hit it really hard, but I pulled it just a little bit from my intended line. I didn't know if it was maybe just in the left rough kind of coming over the hill there. So, you know, walking over the hill and seeing the ball in the left side of the fairway, that's when you kind of knew, okay, I think we can get it done here. That's great. I mean, that's what you play for. That's right. That's awesome.

So we finish, we're going to finish up with a little rapid fire. Okay. As we always do, we just got a handful or so of quick questions. Number one, if you had to use your driver and driver only, what would you shoot at TPC. Oh, driver and driver only. 92. Okay, that's not bad. That's not bad.

I mean, that'd be tough. All right, what is your favorite golf shot to hit? Probably a hybrid. That two hybrid. Arguably the best hybrid player in the world. And so I hit a lot of really nice hybrid, so I have a four hybrid that I can hit inside of most guys eight irons. You sound pretty confident with that. The hybrid is pretty good.

I'm a big fan of his hybrid comedy. Favorite cereal of all time? Honey bunches of a vote. That's a good one. It's a good standby. You know, you can take this one, Rick. This was your question. Could one destroyer, modern-day destroyer,

defeat the entire 18th century British royal fleet? Probably. I agree. Yeah, I mean, nowadays you don't have to get that. close to it. So I don't think they'd be able to do any dead. Yeah, I mean, you wouldn't even have to get close. You wouldn't ever get inside of their like kill radius. Like they couldn't actually get you from where you could sit out and hit them. So yeah. Good luck for it. Yeah. Best course on tour. Probably Augusta. Yeah. How was your first master's in? Yeah, it was awesome.

Yeah. I just, I sum it up this way. I really want to do it again. What are we? We were there for the first time this year. We're hoping we don't piss anybody off. Weirdest pre-round or pre-tournament superstitious. I don't think I have anything weird. I mean, it's pretty regimented, as you might imagine. You ever, you know, a Navy guy.

But I can't think of anything that's weird. Not a superstitious guy. Just routine. Okay. And the last one, thin crust or regular crust pizza? I mean, I mean, regular from your question, I guess. Not the super thin, but not like the super thin. Somewhere in between.

Okay. All right, folks. That's Billy Hurley III, defending champion of the clicking loans national. Thank you very much for sitting down with us. We really appreciate it. You got out again. Thank you, Billy. That interview with Billy Hurley III was brought to you by the Driver versus Driver

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You know, we had him, we met him in person, very cool guy. It was just, you know, it's good to finally meet him. Yeah, Sunshine and I hopped over as well and hit up the press conference. That was shortly after we did our one-on-one interview with him. He's very chatting. He was very funny with the media. Yeah. So, yeah.

We had a good time talking to him. It was a little bit different. We were able to, you know, cover some different things. He's obviously a really unique case with his Naval Academy background doing five years, two of which he was deployed, all that. So it was interesting. That was one of the more serious interviews. Sometimes we talk to David Faradie about his ass looking like the Japanese flag.

And then we have Billy Hart. early and where we talk about you know more serious stuff he's at a he's at an interesting life obviously you know a dramatic life so it was cool to talk to him yeah it was great so thanks again to him for hopping on and i didn't make it to the press conference because this boondago boy was blogging because we actually do work on this trip yep Trent was blogging Trent was blogging his face off great job by the way thank you on to uh from the gallery yep quick reminder submit your stuff to us. You have questions.

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We're also at ForPlayPod on Twitter and Instagram. Hit us up. to hit us up to hit us up a couple of from the gallery stories today first one this guy says fun little golf story from off the course when I was in college my roommates and I had a tradition whenever one of us had a young lady over young lady he says he did that's very nice what's the what was the elk term baby dolls baby dolls where one of us had a baby doll over for the evening we would bust open the door chip a ball into the room three of us would then run in start put the ball around the room while profusely saying,

sorry, just playing through, don't mind us, for about 30 seconds before chipping the ball back out of the room and leaving. Needless to say, we got quite a few choice reactions from the visiting ladies slash baby dolls. I highly recommend this practice to any college listeners. I don't. I don't recommend that at all. This just seems like a dick move.

Yeah. I don't support this whatsoever. No. It seems like the dumbest thing I've ever heard. I will say the one line of sorry just playing through gets, every time. That is kind of that's funny. That is a funny line. Also always be golfing. These guys clearly drunk, shit-faced in college trying to golf, trying to have fun, it seems, but in reality, I think they're just cock-blocking. I do not support any form of cock-blocking. And this could not be

worse. It's one thing if you, like, cock-block somebody to the bar accidentally or something. But this guy, the way they're saying it, their friend has a lady over in his room. They are in there doing adult things consensually. And these guys are chipping a ball around. Yeah. That seems very juvenile. It's saying, sorry, just playing through. All right, again, that part's pretty funny.

It's funny, but it's, I mean, this is like, this is psychos. This is like, you're just an asshole. This is middle school shit. Yeah. It's like, oh, seven minutes in heaven. Now we're going to open the door really fast to see what's going on in there.

That's what this is. I don't support it whatsoever. I appreciate the guy sending them an email, but we just, We don't support this whatsoever. Yeah, this could get you like a nice, like a nine iron to the face, maybe, or something like that. This had to have caused physical fights. Yeah.

With people. Yeah, it's bad news. It's not like, ah, you guys got me again. No. Got me again. No, it's bad. It's not what you want. What I would say is lock your doors if you're in college.

Yep. Yeah. Or, well, I guess. What would you put, like, a sock in the door? A sock in the door isn't stopping these fools. He's idiot. They're chipping in if that door's unlocked. Yeah, so fuck these guys.

These guys are assholes. Thanks for sending to an email, though. Try we got one more from the gallery. Another from the gallery. Back when I was 14, I was really into golf. I would always try to get my buddies to come out with me in the summer and slap the ball around. I finally convinced my best friend to come out with me and he was immediately hooked. One afternoon, my buddy went down to the course and tried to play a quick afternoon.

Nine. On the eighth hole, my buddy hits an errant, sliced drive, yells four. and ended up hitting a dude in the head. I wasn't there, but the guy and his crew ended up making a big deal of it, calling the police and paramedics. Long story short, the guy was taken away in the meat wagon, and my buddy's dad got taken for $25,000. That is insane.

Yeah. No way. A couple things. One, I love when ambulances are referred to as meat wagons. Shout to Tommy Boy. I agree. Golf courses, this is like, I feel like, We say international waters a lot, but it's just agreed upon that you are potentially going to get hit by a ball in the head.

Yes, and if you do, it's just, that's just part of it. I also agree or believe that the houses and any nearby property on a golf course is international waters. If you built or bought a house on a golf course, you get hit with a golf ball, tough luck. It comes with the territory. Don't live on a fucking golf course. Well, it's like, all right, you have the coolness of living on a golf course, but you also have to take the downside of that where these little balls are going to come flying through your window every once in a while. Right.

That's how it works. You live right next to a gigantic piece of property where idiots that stink at what they're trying to do stand there and swing ridiculously hard trying to hit a tiny, really hard white ball like 300 yards. It is funny when you think about it that the houses that surround golf courses are all rich people. You think that would be places where they would put poor people where they're the ones who are getting shit thrown through their windows.

Yeah, there should be a little. like a layer of shitty houses, four people houses, before you get to the nice houses. I could not agree more with that. So we might be on to something there. I don't understand how you get taken for 25K. How is that even possible? Would you get hit in the head for 25,000 for a golf ball? From, I know that it seems like an easy yes, but your head, you need your brain.

You sure do need that. If it was like my leg, I'm going to break my leg. six months or something got a mouth fracture i don't care about it out of here i am i've never broken a bone and i am so scared to break a bone what never broken a single bone yeah it's weird maybe you're not living i am living i'm out here i i played football for a long time and i just never broke anything have you broken mini bone i've broken my left arm three times what is going on over there elbow wrist and uh i had like a hairline fracture on my up near my shoulder is that all skiing related no it's all hockey oh okay yeah i forgot about that

No, I'm shocked I've never broken a bone. It just hasn't happened. Yeah, so, yeah, the head is just too risky. You start getting that, you go down that concussion slope, and you're, you know, you scrambled eggs, you never come back, you never quite who you thought you were. You do run the risk of becoming a completely different person. Right. And so that's just not worth it, 25K?

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On to the Byron Nelson classic. Okay. Sergio, or defending champ. Sergio, who you compared yourself to, more on more than one occasion on the golf course today let me say this I was not comparing myself to Sergio I was I did the very embarrassing move of we were waiting behind

a bunch of people all day today because we're fast everybody else slow as fuck and I was swinging my three wood trying to you know find my swing and I took some divvets out of the turf yeah on the teboxes which are pristine by the way they were and I was like oh this must be my Sergio swing because he takes like intense divvits with his three Okay. And also, I want to say one more thing, and this has nothing to do with the Byron Nelson, it has more to do with Sergio now that he's won the Masters. Fuck everybody who does the whole, oh, the golf gods have now turned in Sergio's favor, because he was playing well throughout the beginning of the players. Don't do that. We hold out on 17? Yeah.

Great. Cool. Don't do the golf gods thing that, oh, now Sergio is going to win everything. You people. You don't buy into the golf gods. I think I do buy him the golf gods. I don't like when people are now like, oh, Sergio, he's about to have the best phase of his career. Everyone is just turning all bright-eyed and bushy-tailed on Sergio, and I don't like it. Really? Yeah, I don't.

So this is your Sunday at the Masters, Sergio 8, coming back up? A little. It's bubbling a little bit to the surface because now anything that Sergio does well, again, the A's on 17th was great, but now people are really laying it on thick that he's just in the favor of the guys and everything's going to go great for him. Were you pumped about his 78? I was could not have been more excited. See, I'm team Sergio now. I love Sergio. What to pupe all this is amazing.

Oh, he's great. He got the way that he just flushes the ball, gets excited. He's dominated the players. He got himself in contention going into Sunday. Obviously, I guess I should have 178. He's a defending champ here. He's the reigning master's champ.

He did admit, which I like, that he got legitimately nervous for, like, his first nine holes because they introduced him as a master champ. Yeah. At first he was like, oh, shit. I'm the master's champ. That's true.

I mean, yeah, it's pretty surreal for him. I don't know. People expect me to be really sick because I want to mask. Yeah. Yeah, they do. I can't relate to any of that. But anyway, it's the buyer Nelson. He's the defending champ.

We've got a pretty damn good field this week, actually. We've got Dustin Johnson. We've got Jason Day, Jordan Speed, Brooks Kepka, Jimmy Walker, Charlie Hoffman, who, you know, we think is the most interesting golfer in the world. Super interesting. Duff Daddy.

Okay. Chubby Duff. He's back. Chubby Duff is back. Yeah. I don't know how you can't be high on him right now. He's played well here. It looks like he's got three top tens, including a win, 2012.

No-miss cut since 2011. So look for Duff Daddy out there. Other than that, the buyer Nelson, that's pretty much all I got. Hard not to like the hometown kids to be. I mean, that's where I'm going to do. Yeah. He is going to be doing one of those deals where he's just literally staying at home playing him.

Probably. He's got, if I remember correctly, a couple years ago, I blog, uh, speak bought like a $12 million house in Dallas. Did you buy somebody else's house? Do you pull in those rooms like an old NBA guy? Yeah. It was, yeah, yeah, you're on the right track. I can't remember the specifics, but something like that.

Anyway, he's going to be playing this week from a castle. Yeah. Somewhere in Dallas, which sounds great. We're in a small two bedroom or two bed hotel room in D.C. Mm-hmm. A little different. Enjoy the, uh, buyer Nelson.

I think that's it for this week. Hit it hard. Hit it hard. Hit it hard. Hit it hard. I hit it hard, man. So far, man. No holding back.

Ain't afraid of nothing. I'm giving up by now all the rough I've seen these ups and downs. Somehow I just keep on playing through. So all you critics pull up a chair at the winter circle soon. I'll be there with a high. Five, five, and a smile for you. I ain't spending money. Sure I gamble and a drink and smoke three packs a day.

Hell, ain't country music supposed to be this way. It's from the hard, man. I hit it hard, man. I hit it hard, I hit it hard. I hit it hard, man. I'll keep hitting it hard, man. How about you?