Fore Play - Big Weather’s Great Lie

Episode Date: November 2, 2021

The weather community has been deceiving us for years. We react. Also, Greg Norman is becoming the face of a possible competing global golf league, Lucas Herbert breaks through in Bermuda, Riggs returns from Bandon, Frankie found himself in an escape room and much more. In From The Gallery: What are the chances Tiger Woods plays in the 2022 Masters? What is the best golf club for self defense against an intruder? Is it acceptable to bring a rangefinder to spectate a golf tournament?You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

Hey, 4Play listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcast, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Foreplay, by Barstool Sports. We are back. It's November. We got the entire squad. We got Lurch, Frankie, Trent, myself, Jake, Ebug, Garrett, the whole squad that brings this lovely little show together weekend and week out with videos and promos and podcasts. So, like I said, we are back.

We had a lot to talk about today. There's a lot going on in the golf world for early November from Saudi Arabian golf takes. Greg Norman. We got a new winner on the PGA tour from Bermuda. We got a lot going on in our own lives kind of were creeping up on Christmas. I saw people already arguing this morning on when you could get geared up for Christmas music. So those takes are going on as a podcast that said we're going to take Christmas very seriously this year. I felt like we might need to start kind of debating thinking about our strategy with that going forward.

but Trent, I feel like Trent had a big Halloween. I feel like luggage guy, you get costumed up by people a lot. I feel like you were probably our top dog in that regard. So congratulations. Thank you. It's a very simple costume to put together. Most people probably have the items in their home. It's a black sweatshirt, crewneck, khakis, and then just a piece of luggage.

So if you have those things, and I think a lot of people do, it's a last second costume if you didn't think of anything else. So shout out to everybody who did it. That was very cool. It's very funny to see them. One of them they even put together, like, they basically played out a scene from The Bachelor where the guy didn't give the rose to the girl. And then a guy dressed like me came in and took the luggage away. Very cool.

What an honor. Shout it to everybody who did that. And it's one guy just looked like me. Yeah. That one was very bizarre. He tweeted it at me. And I had to look at it for like four minutes being like, I think this is just a picture of me that he found somewhere and tweeted at me. It's like the LeBron picture.

You see that one from last night? I did. Yeah. Have we talked, like, I don't know if we can even do this podcast unless we talk about that. It looks just like LeBron. America needs to be, that has to be on all the news stations. It's a variant of him. I mean, I've seen Loki.

I know what's going on. Right. If you haven't seen it, it's a LeBron playing last night. Lurch is looking it up right now. Lurch, you got to look up this picture of LeBron watching LeBron play basketball. You're not going to believe your eyes. Or it's like on Twitter. Just type in LeBron.

Right. It's all over. It's a guy that looks just like him watching the Laker game last night. It's fucking horrifying. Which he's a hard doppelganger. Oh, he is. Just guy was straight, fucking two. Like he was just as big.

Whoa. Whoa. Like Riggs is about to say, I'm easy. If you're chubby and you have glasses and a goatee and a bad hairline, you look like me. Not everybody looks like. Byrd. I feel like you and Fidelberg are all over the place. Yeah.

And you don't get very off. That what I just saw was like LeBron. I mean, shoulder width, everything was just like, that's an alien in like who's also LeBron just watching the game. I can't believe it. It's insane, dude. It's just him. It's just him. Are enough people talking about that?

No, no, I don't think enough people are talking about it. They're not. That's worth of you. Because if you're out there and you were like me and Frankie was talking about this and Trent and you had no idea what they were talking about, give that a quick Google and it will blow your mind. waiting for it, waiting for it, waiting for it, waiting for it. Bang, it's right in your face on this short little video. He's got the shoulders, he's got the muscles, the face, the facial hair, everything is. Even like the body language, he kind of like looked down a little bit.

There's like a short little video. It's like, that's just LeBron. I guess that's just the same guy. Has LeBron James addressed this because he needs to? Did he? What do you say? He tweeted about it? Oh, he tweeted.

Okay. That makes it more suspect. Right. I would like to know what he said. Are we looking that up? I'm going to look it up. Okay. How was your guys Halloween?

I know Trent had a good one. with all the lookalikes and the doppelgangers. Yeah, what do you guys? You're at our age. What do you guys do for Halloween? Real quick. LeBron says, A.O.

True definition of two places at the same damn time. Somebody tell Pat C. if he wants to be me for Halloween, just ask me. L.O.L. Is Pat C. the guy? I don't know. If it's not.

If it's not, this guy, this guy looks more like LeBron than LeBron. That's how I felt about the guy who looked like me. Some people said that. They were like this, you dressed up as this guy for Halloween because that's just you. Holy fuck.

Yeah, what did you guys do for Halloween these days? I had nothing. I didn't do anything. I was traveling. I will say traveling all day. There were some people that get into it even to fly, which I respect. You know, somebody gets on. They got like a little fox tail just trying to get on the fucking plane in front of you.

And you're kind of like, all right. I dig that. But I had a five-day trip out to band and shout to Matt Janella, the Uncle Tony invitational. A little bit of tweeting and social here and there. But for the most part, just kind of like there to enjoy it. 28 guys. Unbelievable trip to be invited on. reminds me a lot of the Dadbod classic, just like a little different format, different venue,

different group of people in terms of somebody who just does everything, puts all this incredible work in to make the trip perfect for everyone else. You just show up and you're like, wait a minute, somebody like did all this work and prepared all this stuff and I just get to walk from stop to stop and have the best time ever. So coming down from that yesterday, being Halloween, you got to take two flights, a fright out of the North Bend, a flight from San Francisco to Phoenix. There was no spookiness going on for me. There was no festivities going on with me.

If it was a different day, I'd be happy to get into it. But yesterday it was just a recover, survive, and advance kind of day and get to this morning. And I've made it. So it was a success for me. Yeah, my day wasn't a whole lot. It wasn't very interesting either. I just basically snacked on candy from about 9 a.m. to about 5.30. That was basically the meal for the day.

It's an insane amount of candy for you, right? He said snacked when it was probably, and I'm in the same boat where you just crushed a bunch of candy. His floor is just like, uh, Just tinfoil of all the fucking rappers. Kickin Reese's rappers around this morning like their beer cans. So I was almost thinking that those fun-sized Hershey bars were better frozen. No. Like right around room temp when they kind of like you break one off and just melt in your mouth.

That's actually. So I just almost go through each candy bar and say the temperature that it should be at for properly served. And then I had a, what, I had a 9 p.m. flight to Phoenix last night. So like, you know, it's kind of topped off. You're just waiting for the flight kind of all day. So I was just watching football, just relaxing, hanging out with my brother and his kids and got them dressed up in costumes. They were all excited.

But no, I was just pretty much snacking all day. I did a haunted walk. It was horrifying. How to go. That's good. I like when those things play. Sometimes it's like, ah, but when they're good, sometimes they're fantastic. I went back to my new favorite place on earth is called Woodlock Pines in fucking Pennsylvania.

I went back to Woodlock. I mean, this is just my second home now. The gracious people at Woodlock. I mean, I walked into the room. They had champagne. They said celebrate, make this year home for the weekend. And it was spooky. They had the whole town just spooked up a little bit.

Everyone's wearing costumes. They just do it right over there. The workers almost take it. Post-proposal, like just like weekend getaway? Or what was this? Yeah, it was like we knew that, like I knew something was going to happen the weekend before. So I went to book something where we could get it. go away. So it was a fun little getaway. But the walk, man, they do a good job. They make you

walk over and it's like it's pitch black and you walk over like the North Lodge of Woodlock and they pick you up in a hayride. So they drive you through the cold Pennsylvania like mountain forest area and there's fog everywhere. So you're sitting on this thing with like all these strangers and everyone's like, where are they taking us? I really got into it, man. I'm starting to like my heart rate's starting to go up. My whoop was off the charts because you know nothing's going to happen but what if something does happen there's always that fear of like one of those chainsaws are going to be real one of these days yeah so which is why they work right like that's why they have the chainsaws they want you to think that it's going to be fucking real um and then you like you pull up to

this this i mean the work that they do there it's like disney like they really fucking do it up there's this huge orange gateway and all this smoke and you walk through it and now you're just in the forest and people are fucking popping out of everywhere there's certain parts where like there's strobe lights where you can't see anything but smoking. and strobe lights and then clowns are just like moving in slow motion laughing in your face. I was I was like going to cry. That sounds like a good walk through. It's a 16 minute walk.

Real minutes. Real minutes. That's longer than I want to be in there. That's half an episode of TV. You're like, holy fuck, I got to get it. It was crazy, man. They do a good job. That's like a two mile walk.

It's a good one here. I'm assuming you're not walking at like this. Like we were walking a little slow, right? But like it's 16 minutes front to back. So it was, they do a good job. But yeah, it's a fun place. They have horse racing. You ever do horse racing at one of these family places?

No. So basically, you do. You get to the jokey? No, you can do this at home too, right? So you have like a board, and they do this on a huge auditorium stage. Basically, you have six horses and you can bet on your horse, one, two, three, four, five, or six. And then they'll give odds out after everyone bet. It's just random odds.

So horse one is five to one. Horse two is nine to one. but this is after everyone's already placed their vets. And then they'll rode... They're just plastic horses. Huge horses, yeah, like plastic horses. And then they'll roll dice. So if the six rolls, the six moves up one spot.

And the first horse to the finish line wins the fucking race. You can do this at home. You can make your own board. You can put little horsies down on the sixth spot. But they do a big, right? So everyone's going crazy for horse number two. And he's doing all these things. And there's different ways to play.

Maybe you do two dice. And the white dice is horse six. And the red dice is how many spots he moves up. So sometimes you'll get a six. for six. You're like, let's go. You're screaming. You're betting 100 bucks on these things. It's nuts. The final race, guys, at Woodlock, this is what they do. They offer up each horse for auction. You guys would love this shit. Everyone would get so into it. So your table... Just so I'm understanding this correctly. Yeah. We're talking about auctioning off plastic face.

Yes. So for the last race, you have six horses up on the stage. They say horse number one's up for auction, 100 bucks. Let me see 200. Everyone's going crazy. 300. It got up to 675 bucks for each horse. $700, $800. So then all the people that auctioned on those six horses are now in a pot for whoever wins that race. They get all of it. It was like $38,000. So this one guy, horse number one, you could tell he was a woodlock veteran. He got in early.

The first horse went for $300. And he's like, I just got in for so low because no one knew it was going to happen next. Like, oh, shit, $300 is a lot of money. We're betting $5. All of a sudden the next horse goes for $700. And this guy's like, wow, I'm watching. And he's like, wow. Wow, my value's nuts.

The next horse goes for 800. He's sitting there like, holy fuck. Guys, horse number one, one. I have this video of him going, he was crying. The guy was crying. He's grabbing his family. They're going crazy. I mean, they won four grand at fucking Woodlaug.

By the way, that's you in the future. Oh, my God, dude. Woodlock veteran, you've been there 55 times. You don't think I'm going there and I'm fucking, and I'm auctioning on horse number one because I know that the other ones are going to go for more. It's like a real horse auction. It was fucking awesome, man. I like how much you like this place.

Tell me that doesn't sound. That sounds really fun. I like when you just like anything in general. Right. You know, and you get positive and you get positive. I know you like something when you compare it to Disney. When Frankie compares something to Disney,

he loves it. We walk this little shop. They had a little coffee shop and everything is so perfect. They have a little chimney of smoke. And I'm like, this place looks like fucking Disney. It was like the 10th time. I said that.

Yeah. So, yeah, yeah, it was a fun weekend. We did an escape room. I couldn't get out. You guys ever do an escape room? I wish they would not have let you. you out. I've never done one.

Fucking nightmare, man. You have to do all this like higher thinking and you look at like a pinwheel and it was like one, five, seven, eight. And we keep trying that combination to unlock a lock. But really you should have been looking at all the numbers that weren't there. Two, three, four, six. That was it. You know what I mean? There's things that you don't think. What's the moment like when you decide that we can't get out? What do you do? So there's a person watching you on camera and they're in another room and you finally just go, let me out of the fucking room. All right? Get me out of here. I'm done. you've now watched me for an hour be an idiot right like you've watched how dumb my brain is that

I can't think of anything they can't get past the first thing dude there's so many higher thinking that guy knows all the answers or girls just knows all the answers and like here comes frankie just hey buddy you tried that same code seven times it doesn't work at one point there was like these dice on the wall and she and I was trying and she saw me in the corner and I'm trying all these digits and I go I can't do it can we get another hit you get three hints and she goes try all the dice. Like, I just wasn't looking at all of them. You just immediately burned all your hints. Yeah. When there's another one where it's like you have to take this fucking cart into the dark part of the room and then it like glows. Like I wouldn't think of that. I don't know, man. It's fun though. We should do an escape room also. Okay. I want to do all these things with you guys. I'm in. Who can get out of the room? We're just in there for a life. What's added to one of our travel series? Just escape room. Escape room. But the only thing is you'd have to grab the escape room when it's at its like end or else then everyone watching the video would be able to get it. So you have to ask these people to make a new escape room for us, which I think they'll do.

That would be fun. Let's do it. Let's do a fucking escape room. Okay. All right. One thing that Janella added to the Uncle Tony trip is a big Liars dice tournament. You ever play Liars Dice? No, but tell me about it.

No. Fantastic game. So he has Uncle Bill, who's, you know, one of a big staple in the trip, who ended up winning the whole thing with our guy, S.J. So he goes to him. But he brings like a million dice. And one night you show up to a room. where the dice tournament's going to be.

Every person has like a solo cup with five dice inside of it, and there's tables of six. And if you finish in the top two of your table, you advance to the championship. You win the whole thing. You know, there's a little bit of prizes or whatever. But each time, you know, you roll the dice under the cup, only you know what you have.

And then it goes around in a circle where you guess how many basically dice of that number are on the table total. And you have to keep escalating it. So eventually you get put in a spot where you either call somebody's bullshit or you elevate. So if somebody says like there's six sixes comes to you, you can either say bullshit and then everybody opens up and you kind of or you can be like eight sixes, ten sixes. You keep going until it gets to you. And if you're wrong, somebody calls your bullshit, you're wrong. You lose a dice.

Once you're done with all your dice, you're out. Last person left on the whole game wins the entire thing. Wow. And it is such a like cheap, simple way. because right on these golf trips, everyone, and this is what Janella always talks about. Everyone's looking for their competitive fix the whole time. Like rounds of golf, you're having matches, a cradle-type course or the preserve or a putting course. Everyone's trying to compete the whole week.

So all of a sudden you put everybody in these games with this liar's dice. It's super simple to pick up on the rules, like a couple spins. Everybody kind of gets the hang of it. And you just go until you're all eliminated. Every time somebody gets eliminated, we're singing, nah, nah, nah, no, the whole room's like chanting, chirping them. they're like throwing dice across the table like fuck every time they get it. It is such a simple way to add a ton of fun to a buddy's golf trip. That's electric.

I like that. It's awesome. Now when it comes to you, do you get to say pass or is it just BS or I up the number? So if it's like we're going around on sixes, can you be like five, sixes, sixes? Can I say pass? Because maybe Frankie wants to say, hey, I think there's eight sixes in here. No. You get, you basically get two choices.

is you can either, you can either escalate it on that same number of dice. So if, you know, six is the highest. So if somebody said six, five, you could either say six sixes or seven, whatever, eight, whatever, nine, whatever, but you have to keep going up or you call their bullshit. So you can get, you can get put in a lose, lose situation. Like that can happen. But you're trying to figure out that fine line that you're on and like looking at people and being like, what do you got under their money?

Because somebody will lead with like seven sixes. they might not have a single six or they might have four of them. Like you just don't know. Right, because you know your dice. Like when you roll them, you take a look at yours like poker, like a poker table kind of thing. And you can look at yours the whole time. Right. So you just kind of keep.

And then everybody's doing the poker mover. They're like, do I really have this many dices I think I got? It's fucking. It is fun. I'd get back into a corner. I'd be in that losing situation. And I'd just fucking toss my dice across the room and I'd storm out. And it's unreal because like you'll get somebody on your left, you know,

because the whole, the whole thing moves clockwise. You get somebody on your left that like one game, you know, you get somebody who's super aggressive or, you know, or you'll get somebody who's like kind of a pussy so you could just push him around the room. And like all this is just kind of going on for the whole time. And then there's also just something we were talking about there's just something physically exciting about like shaking up dice and slamming them on the table and looking. It's just fun the whole time. So it's a great addition to really anything. But, you know, people are always looking for like card games or they try to keep it simple but fun. It's a fantastic addition to the whole thing.

Owens, we should talk about Owen. Speaking of a fantastic addition to really anything, we got all these puppies right here in front of us. All right, Owen's mixture, simple concept. You pour it in with some liquor and you have an awesome cocktail. That's it. That's all you got to do. Well, transfusion, there are plenty of those flowing this last week.

I saw people transfusion Thursday, are hitting us up. Really good cocktails. They got margarita mix. They got this grapefruit and lime right here, which I like, which looks appealing because it is appealing. It's very good. get yourself a Paloma, Owensimixers.com. You can go to their website, store locator feature, which is great.

Go figure it out, CVS, Kroger, whatever stores near you, go pick them up. GoPuff, same day, Amazon, next day shipping. But Owens Mixers, they're a huge supporter of us, so we can support them again by going, grabbing some Owens Mixers, and then any time you got somebody over, maybe you're having a little holiday party coming up, people are going to spend a lot more time indoors, colder weather, less sunlight, have people over. You want to whip up a nice cocktail at night. This is a great way to do it, Owens Mixer.

Yeah, I brought some up with me to Woodlock in our room. There's no better feeling than making a cocktail when like usually you're on these trips and you pack a bunch of like seltzers or beers or whatever. Like this is you bring, you have cups, you have ice. You can make a mixed drink on the road like in a cabin. You're at you're now a mixologist. You're like at a bar. You're pouring vodka.

You're pouring in mixers. It really does elevate your night. Like everyone I was passing it to is like, what is that? this. Like I thought we were drinking these like shitty drinks. You know what I mean? You stash him in like a box or you throw some ice. No, this is a drink. This is a real drink. Dude, and everybody's sick of drinking shitty drinks. Like you just have a drink. You just kind of panic, default order. You're not that excited about it. It's kind of going to like taste like shit, but you're acting like it's pretty good because you just want to be positive and part

of the vibe. No, why don't you make an actually delicious cocktail? That's what these motherfuckers figured out over at Owens. It's where they work hard at. So again, go check them out. Go add them to your little experience, your party, your hangout, whatever the hell it might be. The show is coming out on November 2nd. That's my mom's birthday. So, happy birthday to my mother. Oh, happy birthday. Happy birthday.

Wow. And then my sister's birthday is November 5th. She listens to every show as well. So this week, big, big birthday week for the female members of my family. So to my mom, to my sister, happy birthday. Thank you for listening. Happy birthday. Happy birthday.

Yeah, we're actually doing a nice little, one of my cousins getting married in Austin this weekend. So I'm going to be in Austin for a couple days. We have a little birthday wedding kind of mix up and hang out with the family. So I'm excited about that. Speaking of family, my nephew, Robbie, last night, you know, they're trick-or-treating around my nephew, Robbie and my niece, Mary Kate. They're trick-or-treating around the neighborhood. They got to do the full fire truck experience. Fucking fire truck pulls up. The boys open up the fire truck. Robbie's in there, like, among kind of the fire suits. And he's like in there taking pictures, biggest smile on his face you've ever seen. I've forgotten how much as a child fire truck comes in, just puts asses in the seats

and blows the whole thing up to another level. So seeing that footage, that video of him and my niece in the fire truck, oh boy, were they jacked up fellas? They really did firemen really did a great job on, you know, the theatrics of being a fireman really do resonate with just like the world. Like we love them. We love them. We like, you don't you don't look at any other car or vehicle the same way you do as a fire truck they just nailed it you know what i mean it's like a fucking it's a play on wheels like air force and uh or pilots in like the navy i feel like they've got kind of that going on with top gun and the all whites and shit there's something about the red and even when it when a fire truck would drive by as a kid not with the sirens on just like driving by people would

stop and be like look at it you just look at it you know i remember it was engine four would just drive by and everybody was like that all these buttons inside the guys are sitting there they're looking at and to get to the fire truck they slide down a pole The pole. Holy fuck. They nailed the branding. The actors of it are fantastic. It's fantastic. Shout out to all the fire trucks.

It's like a producer thought. Like how could we make this occupation really cool? They sat around a fucking table and they had like a writer's room about how can we market firemen and they nailed it. People love it. Yeah. Dalmatians. The logos. Oh my God.

Dalmatian thing. Where did that come from here? I don't know. Yeah, that's true. How'd they get that under their umbrella? Now, I want to say this is a frankie fact. I want to say this is a Frankie fact, but I think maybe Dalmatians were like howling on top of fucking,

like they would like let people know that they were coming. That was the original horn. You're telling me Dalmatian was the original horn when they sent that big off. Please tell me that's true. Tell me that's true, Jake. I didn't even look that up. Tell me Jake. Dalmatians were dogs that were easily trained to run in front of the engines

to help clear a path and guide the horses. Fucking right. That's not. That's a horn. Yeah. That's pretty accurate though. That's pretty accurate. Let them know.

It was a fucking... I was thinking... I was thinking, yeah, I'll give that to you. I was thinking the town horn, or at least in my town, if there's a fire, they'll send out, like, an outrageous horn that will, like, catch every, like, I'm saying they would sit on top of the fucking truck or maybe in front. Got it. Yeah.

Yeah, I'll give that to you. That works. That checks out. And now a lot of Dalmatians are known as pets for firefighters in the houses in honor of the heroism in the past. Awesome. Really cool. Awesome. Just a really cool.

patient. Shout out to all of our firemen. Really cool shit. Josh Allen. He nailed a Phil Mickelson outfit yesterday, a costume yesterday. All of his demeanors when he walked in were great. I would say I got tagged in this a million times. Everybody said that he thought he just was dressing like me in golf here all day. Everybody was sending that to me. But he nailed it. His little like mannerisms. He did kind of the slow, Phil does a really slow hat tip with like the visor and the thumbs up and all that. Nobody does that. Nobody does that. like Phil so I thought he nailed that quick Josh Allen story I don't know if I've ever told this one but we were at Monarch Beach for the Barstool Classic this past year we were out there one of my

buddies was with me for a few days we were doing like a little trip combined with going to Cali and being there for the bar two Barstow classics we had so we like played Torrey pines that we did the classic at Monarch Beach and we're wrapping up you know afternoon two three o'clock we do the putting contest for other putting green and my buddy Chad who's one of my best friends who came all the way out there from you know New York like he's from upstate New York New York, Buffalo Bills are his favorite thing in the history of the planet. So all he cares about is Buffalo Bills, Bill's Mafia, all that. Well, fucking, we're standing in the putting green all of a sudden rolls up to the

first T. It's just Josh Allen and like three or four of his boys roll up to the first tee. And I do a chance like, what the, like, what's going on here? Is that, is this a joke? Is it like somebody dressed up? Like, is that somebody dressed up like him? Like, this can't be real. Go down there.

His boys got like a C3. He's got like a camera and they're filming him like playing. YouTube stuff at some of his own branding. We went down there and he like gave my buddy Chad a couple of Bill's gifts. He had like logo balls. He had like a Bill's towel. I think he gave him and was just the nicest dude of all time. I don't know if we ever told that before, but he like my buddy Chad is like of all the people on planet earth, if you could tell me one starstruck human being to see, he's just like Josh Allen rolled up to the tea and we were at Monarch Beach and he was a super nice guy. Josh Allen, we did a pizza review with before he was drafted.

And there was all that Josh Allen is tall.com by part of my take. And there was all this like hoopla about Josh Allen. I really, I mean, I knew of him in college, but obviously, you know, the Jets pass up on him, the Giants pass up on this guy. Like ever, you didn't really think of this guy as like a top top quarterback prospect. If you were just like a like for me, I'm not the biggest draft guy. So I think of the top names and that's it. Like in Josh Allen for me, when we did the pizza view, I'm like, oh, this guy seems like a pretty normal dude.

I can't imagine he's going to be like a stud quarterback. He had his family with him like on the pizza review. I'm like this guy just seems like an immature, tall, duffy kid. And now he's a fucking stud. He's been a stud since he started. Someone throws he makes are disgusting. Arguably one of the best quarterbacks in the league, right? I mean, and statistically that's proven.

Yeah, like he just is. He's one of the best quarterbacks to the league. It's fucking fantastic, man. And I couldn't be happy for that guy because he is such a fucking good dude. He's just a solid dude, man. Let's go golfing with this guy. Yeah, no, he's a really, really solid guy. Like, we'd all love him.

We saw him at the Super Bowl. He came, and we did Sam Darnal Pizza Review, and Josh Allen just came to watch. He was like a, like, he's like, oh, yeah, I'm like a pizza review veteran. I just kind of want to be in the mix. And he would, like, stand behind me and be like, so how do you, like, film this piece review? I'm like, I just, like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I really like that. And I just pointed it that way at that guy. You're trying to make it sound more complicated than it is.

Well, actually, it's going to lead to elbow surgery, but yeah, no. Oh, speaking of that, did you talk to your doctor? Oh, yes. did. Let's talk about that because I want to hear about it. He wasn't a fan of the tweet that I put out when I said, don't show this to my surgeon. First thing he said to me. He's like, oh, I was like, yeah, I played the shows and I practiced a little bit. And he goes, oh, was that when you said, don't show that to my surgeon? I was like, yeah, yeah, that was the one. He didn't find it funny. He didn't find it funny. There was kind of like an awkward moment right after he said that

where I was kind of like, and he just like went back to his notepad and chicken scratch. Were you expecting him to not be dialed in on that stuff? Like, I would, I would envision, like, for whatever reason, my surgeon's like separate from a real world where we tweet and we do stupid shit. But he seemed to be pretty like, he's a younger guy. Like, oh, fuck. Well, we talked about it. We hope that our surgeons and doctors aren't looking at our stupid shit. I got a DM from a dude when I put out that tweet, don't show this to my surgeon saying, um, I'm neighbors with your surgeon.

It'd be a real shame if I just showed this to him. And I was like, oh, it's just some dude DM me. And I think it just ended up being true. Um, so it turns out that we got to wait. and see how this thing heals. It's definitely getting better in like my extension and all that stuff. He felt around without doing any MRI or anything like that. And it definitely didn't go back to where he took it out of.

He's like, that's impossible. He's like it's, it didn't go back into the spot we took it out. He goes, whatever else you're feeling. Like I'm like, it definitely popping. It's popping. He goes, well, it could be like a ligament or something. Let's wait and see a couple months that go by if you still have tingling, tinglingness.

Sure. Is that the word? tinglingness? Can't be right. Tinglingness. If you're still feeling tingling, if you, if you're still feeling tingling, it's still tingling. Can something possess tinglingness?

If it's still tingling in a couple months and you still have, if you still have, um, numbness, will then attack it with some MRI, see where the hell the nerve is. So, you know, maybe I was freaking out a little bit. Because I think if you go back and you listen to the podcast, you were convinced 100% self-diagnosed that the nerve, went back to the old spot. You were like, it happened. I know it did.

I felt it. It popped. I'm going to need surgery again. And I think a couple of people around you were saying, I feel like that's not possible. You're overreacting. Let's wait until you talk to a doctor. And it sounds like it's not as bad as you had thought. It also was one of the situations when you go to a doctor and everything that you've been feeling doesn't happen when you're at the doctor.

Have you guys felt that? Absolutely. Right? Like I'm telling you doc, my fucking throat hurts. And he looks and he's like, ah, it's perfect. It's like, well, yeah, right now it doesn't hurt because I just like, drank water, but like last night I couldn't even sleep. Yeah.

This happened with me with the elbow where I was like, it's popping. I'm like, I can feel the nerve and he's like touching around and goes, do you feel anything there? I'm like, no. He's like, you feel anything here? I was like, no, it feels perfect. He's like, all right, you're good to go. I was like, fuck, man.

Like, I can barely fuck it sleep at night. A couple things. It turns out one, I think it's not tinglingness. It's just tingling. Yeah. Which I, you know, I think it's just tingling. And then which I had to look up because I kind of wanted it to be tinglingness is a more fun word.

And then two, if you guys ever had that when somebody tries to help you with your golf swing? If you take like, if you ever taking a lesson you roll up, you're like hitting it pretty fucking good. And they're like, yeah, like I don't know. We don't need. And they're like, no, dude, this never happens. Like I don't. You got to give me something because I, when I just don't hit it like this, it's a fucking nightmare out here. We're shooting a million.

I feel like that's the same feeling when you go to the doctor. And you're just like, yeah, all that shit that I came to you for, I'm not really experiencing you right now. But trust me, I do. You're describing every single time someone watches me chip. Like someone that actually. wants to practice chipping with me. They're like, how do you not do this on the course? I'm like, you just don't get it.

Kisner said that. He's like, you're fine. This is perfect. I was like, it's not perfect, dude. I'm telling you. It also leads me to believe that it's more mental than anything else. Oh, yeah, I was listening to Joe Rogan episode. I think I got to start stimulating my brain with those neurostimulators.

Oh, okay. If they can attack you on certain levels, there was this thing. There's this podcast called like, Joe Rogan is always a funny start. There's this podcast called like nine volts to nervalitis. or something like that. Okay. Right? It's like a radio podcast.

And basically they had this lady hooked up to this simulation, something that fucking the leader in the thought space Lurch would do, right? It's basically like a sniper simulation VR shit. I don't know if I'm trusting this out of the gate. Basically, there's a VR thing where it would be like, all right, snipe the bad guys and they have hostages, right? So you have to kind of see who the bad guy is trying to hit them on their head. So she did it and she was whatever the number was, four out of ten.

efficiency. Then they stimulated her brain with all these neuro fucking stimuli shit. Yeah. And she was 10 out of 10 and she did it in like five minutes. And she thought that she did it for five minutes.

She actually was doing it for 20. So she was so clued in that everything was just going fast. So I'm thinking if we do that for us, I don't know how accessible this shit is. It's not like you can just buy it at CVS. But I do know the long term gains on that too. Like if we checked in on this lady now,

like I know she did it at that moment. basically electrocuted her brain, but is she still firing? I don't know. I don't know. I feel like that's in like in movies when they put the people and they bug, like bug their eyes and they make them watch. Limitless, right? Pretty much. Yeah.

Just access parts of your brain that you normally can't. Yeah. Is what it sounds like. Sounds very expensive. But yeah, we should play golf with Josh Allen. Yeah. For sure. Seems like you're great.

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All right. Bermuda, real quick. Bermuda tournament was chaos. There were some clips of wind out here just wreaking havoc on the PJ Torn players. Lucas Herbert ends up coming out. on top wins by one. Patrick Reed was in the mix. Nice to see him back just because it's chaos with him. You never know. He could fire up the whole internet. It gets used golf facts usually activates her account a little bit more when he's in the mix. So that was nice to see. But he goes out there,

gets the W. Always nice to see somebody get a master's invite. It gets inside the top 50 in the world golf rankings, which gets him on to all kinds of tournaments. So very nice to see for him. I don't know if everybody has, you know, much else on Herbert, but nice. Well, I saw Maddie Fitz, a clip of him say that it was the most wind he's ever played in his entire life. So that's, that's just a little indication of how windy it was. And we've seen Maddie Fitz running down the fairway at the open championship. Like, remember that,

that clip of Maddie? Oh, yeah. He just had to get off the course. It was raining, windy sideways. He just, yeah, I think that was the open championship.

I think 18th. He just ran. It was like, I'm fucking out of here, dude. And so for him to be like, this was way worse than that. Bermuda, man. They just,

you get a lot of wind out there. and it's hard to play golf in the wind. Herbert's caddy, like, jumped into his arms and wrapped his legs around him, which was a pretty funny celebration. He also looks like David Letterman. It reminded me of when Trent made that punt, you jumped into Taddy's songs. It was like the same kind of jump wrap. I like, the first thing I thought of was actually the two of you. But the funny thing about this one was that Herbert wasn't ready for that.

Like sometimes, or most of the time, Trent's ready for my embrace. Like he's ready. Always. He's in an athletic stance. But Herbert kind of like stood there. And this guy jumped up on him like a pole. Like he just really was rapping If you watch the video

He jumps and then like his leg doesn't really catch And then he actually lifts his leg up again To really try and get a hold of his ass It was funny You say it looks like David Letterman You know like the new David Letterman Where he's looked at David Letterman Oh here it is I'm gonna watch it right now

Yeah he's got that huge beard Yeah skip to like the end Because you're gonna see him High five a bunch of losers Oh yeah Yeah losers meaning they lost a tournament Yeah Oh yeah he did

There's no reason to bring his legs up Right there in that way No He does look like David Letterman He meant losers by like definition. Correct. They had just lost, freshly lost. On 18, there are losers and winners, and he was a winner and they were losers.

Yeah, that's just, again, that's factual. There's no subjectivity put into that. That's just, those are you consider someone in golf? Are you actually a loser if you're still gaining money? Like, second place gets a prize. Are you a loser? Right. Like the losers would be the people who don't make the cut.

Like in baseball, there's a winner and a loser. One team wins and one team. I think you can define it in. couple different levels. Like second place is a loser, but they won in some categories. Like I would say that if you miss the cut, you're still on the PGA, you know, tour, so you're winning in that sense. But yeah. It's tricky. I would say there's different definitions of losing. Everybody who doesn't win is a loser. I think you could definitely justify that argument, but I think if you really ask me on a personal level. Second place, one more than third place. Yeah, like, you know, I would say almost like

everybody who finishes top 20 to me is like not a loser. That's like that guy's a winner. Like I know I know they lost the 19 people, 18 people, but like on a larger sense, that guy won that week, I would say. Right. I guess it depends what the goal is. If the goal is to go win money,

like they're all, I mean, a lot of those guys are winners. But if the goal is to win the tournament, then they're all losers. But only one guy gets a win in his column. Yeah. On his Wikipedia page it says Herbert won the Bermuda, at Bermuda.

Right. Right. Black and white, one winner. If you want to start bleeding around the rules a little bit, bending shit, you can find, there's a lot of winners on PGA Tour. Yeah. That's fair. Which I feel like you like to do in that brain there.

Well, I do, but it also goes back to my argument about like how golf is just stupid sometimes where, you know, there's guys that are finishing second, third and fourth and fifth, and they think they're winners. They're walking, they're popping champagne. They're making $800,000, million dollars finishing second third. They're like, that was a great week. It's like, no, actually. in any other sport.

If you finish in second and some guy ripped your throwdown on the 18th fucking green, you're a loser. If I were on the PJ tour and I finished second, I would consider myself a winner. Correct. And that's why golf sometimes just really infuriates me. Yeah, it's not as cut. You are a winner. You're making a shit ton of money.

You had a fucking fantastic. And you beat 140 other guys, whatever the number is. Right. You just got to keep it consistent in terms of what the goals are. If the goal is to go there and, like, win money, then yes, like, second place is a big winner. How does tennis wear? It's the same thing. Same thing.

Basically as far like every round. So in the first round, like to make a major, just to get in, I think you make 50 grand. But then if you win the first round and get to the second round, you might get 75. It just goes up on a per round level. I would say the expectations I think can and should change, though. Like if you're just starting out, you get out there and you finish like top 10 a couple weeks in a row, you're like, fuck yeah. That was like a win. But then you might get to the Charlie Hoffman level.

Remember that quote from him like three or four years ago when he had finished like second, third, fourth, a bunch of weeks in Rome. He's staying in the middle of fairway. And his cat, he's talking about how he should lay up. And he's like, I'm sick of finish in second. He gets all rattled when it's like, yeah, you're making millions of dollars. But on some level, he just wants to fucking win. Like you're out there to just beat these other people and other, like you and other human beings who in theory are close to you, just beating you over and over again nonstop on a human level. I think just gets really frustrating.

so I think your expectations can't change but overall they're all winning in life they play on the fucking PG4 they're making millions of dollars they're doing great right Is Louis Oostohusen a winner for finishing second? Yeah I would think so

No not in like a sports debate He's a loser Yeah I know what you mean But he has been paid handsomely for me I know but they all You know the Miami Marlins are fucking paid handsomely You know It's a tricky path to go

down. Yeah. You start calling Louis who's days and a loser. I mean, yeah, I guess like,

perennial. Right. So much money, though. Significant loser. He's like, oh, I lost.

If you were sitting at this table, though, he could be like you four are the biggest losers in the world. Well, that's a whole other argument. Right, right,

right, right, right. It's tough to start throwing. We're talking X's and O's, wins and losses. I need to start, we need to start turning golf into like cutthroat. I don't want second place being, you know,

we're handing out fucking participation trophies on the tour here. You're trying to say winner takes all. I want a winner takes all. It gets like $7 million for a PJ tour event. Give me that. Nobody else gets anything. Everybody else loses all their money.

Dubai, golf league, whatever they were going to do. And I just want fucking 20 golfers, one winner each week. Wow. And the losers have to pay out of pocket. Sure. Oh, yeah.

I mean, like, if they're not getting paid, that means like we're losing golf by the thousands. What if you start a... I mean, like, that means like, you just got to beat Rory's of the world, the DJs of the world. I mean, just nobody's making money.

What if we start a league where you give 12 golfers, like $100 million to start each? And then every week, they have to pay out the winner, right? A little bit. Oh, dude, I was sick would that be. Right? So, like, one winner...

You're basically saying it's like monopoly. You start with money. You go around. You got to, you know, I guess Pasco is the, like, to get your money back. But you go to the Bermuda Championship. You should have an off week. You go 75, 73. You got to just get ready to ante up your share.

But John Ron could win 10 in a row. We just got to come up with $1.2 billion to start our new league. John Rom could win, right. John Rom could win 12 events in a row and be a billionaire. The other guys are fucking got nothing. They wasted their time for a year. That's why nobody's playing golf. Like anybody else signed up for this.

Like that. Fuck, man. We make Greg. It's a good segue. It's a good segue into the, the information coming out from the global golf tour, premier golf league, whatever the hell you want to call it, basically the Saudi-backed new golf tour that has been threatening for a couple years now on the PGA tour, really several decades. A lot of interesting factors going on. Last week, there was like a secret meeting kind of, like PR meeting. where this league invited only certain media members that they like like to announce that

Greg Norman is the commission will be the commissioner, you know, he signed on or signed up as the CEO of LIV or live golf investment, which is just this new fucking league. So they've they've tried really ambitious stuff originally. They got shut down. Now it sounds like they're partnering with the Asian tour. they're starting with a couple hundred million dollar investment it's maybe going to be like 10 events there's whispers of there being like a team aspect to it which is one part that I actually like you can't possibly talk about it without mentioning the fact that it's Saudi Arabia and

Saudi Arabia has done some things that are not particularly popular especially over here in the United States of America with journalists and the way that they handle women and all those kinds of things so if you're going to then come in and try to dominate our our sport take top 10, 20, 30 players in our sport. We have to talk about that. And, you know, the optics of that, the ethics and the morality behind all of that. But Greg Norman, I actually think, I know we got invited to this. But it was like a weird back and forth with someone who I know on Greg Norman's team who got us here where I was like, there's a big thing going on in New York.

And I was like, I'm never in New York. So like, I'm not going to really entertain this because we're flying all. over for the Barstool Classic and different things. But long story short, it's like Golf Channel Digest these other networks that wrote about it were like, we were not invited to it. So right away, they're already kind of like selecting the media who are going to cover the announcement, which is preposterous. But yeah, they're kind of trying to do its own, their own league as they have been for a long time. There's whispers that like from Phil to Graham McDow, maybe other players were,

are committed, but nobody knows who's really committed. And Graham McDowell was asked about it a couple times because he won the Saudi tournament a couple years ago. And he said, you know, that he hasn't like committed or he's not going to say that he's committed. So the whole thing's fucking weird and shady in the golf world,

which I like a little bit. Like it's just something to talk about. It's interesting and there's all kinds of crazy fucking backstories. But yeah, this thing continues to be kind of real, which is always fascinating. Yeah, it feels like a lot of secret meetings. And I just like, it feels far above my pay grade to fully understand what's happening.

I will say I was surprised that Greg Norman decided to become the commissioner. Like I don't know. Right? I'm sure that. How did that relationship take shape? No idea. Crazy to me. No idea.

Well, I believe it goes back. Like, I think Greg Norman like 30 years ago was a big proponent of starting his own league. Like I think they were in the 90s. He was kind of leading some like public talks and public discourse. about they're forming a new league. So I think he's always sort of had a little bit of an issue with the PGA Tour and the structure and the players and where they fit in and how they get the money. I don't know all of that history, clearly, like we're not a big research podcast.

But I know that he has been, this isn't the first time that he's been involved in, like, talks of a separate league, a competing league. But him being the face, like, Greg Norman has a ton of money. He's a megastar, you know, on this planet. He's done really well. So what is the, like, intrigue for him? Maybe they're going to pay him an outrageous amount of money. Does he need it?

Doesn't he have like hundreds of millions of dollars? So why the fuck does he need to go over there and potentially muddy his reputation globally with like the Saudi back stuff? The whole thing is fucking wild. And it's interesting because people are trying to break it down and talk about it. But nobody really knows because nobody will really fucking say anything. And I think that the actual league doesn't really know because they don't know what they can actually get away with because the PGA Tours basically said we're going to like band players that go play in this thing to the point where they have to get, they now have. to get like, I believe, written or official approval from the PGA Tour to even play in that European Saudi event that a bunch of them played in. DJ and all even played in for years.

So this little back and forth is going to be very fascinating to watch unfold. And Graham McDowell said basically, you know, competition is typically good for everyone. I feel that typically the PGA Tour product has never been as strong as it is right now. It continues to get stronger. I certainly don't have any contracts from the new circuit right now. I'm certainly very happy where I am right now on the PGA Tour. saying competition is always a good thing and then also saying I'm really happy with where I'm in the PJA tour like that's that's someone that's like it could be something a little better out there

like that that's that's how that came off also the PJ tour has never been better because of the talent has nothing to do with what the tour is actually doing it's not like the events are super creative and the way that they're structuring things it's just the players are awesome so if you move the players to another entity in another league that other league is just as awesome it's like has nothing to do with what's going on. Like the grandstands aren't cool or anything at the PGA Tours. You know what I mean? Like they're not doing anything. John Rom's awesome. They did the PIP. They did the PIP.

That's like the new thing. We're making fun of for the past year and a half. And which was probably motivated by the moves. And they won't even announce a winner. They won't even announce a winner. I knew. Yeah, that's a weird move. Keeping that behind closed doors is a weird move. I don't understand that at all. What else are they keep behind closed doors? I knew I was out of my depth when I saw this quote from from Greg Norman. He said, this is only the beginning.

Live golf investments has secured a major capital commitment that will be used to create additive new opportunities across worldwide professional golf. That's saying a lot of nothing. And I don't know what it means. He doesn't know really what it means either. It sounds like he's just saying that like this is a big opportunity for a lot of people in a lot of different ways.

But that's not saying anything concrete. That's just saying that like we got a lot of money to do a lot of cool stuff. I mean, I think the money aspect from like that side of the world is crazy. Like there's a lot to go around. Where is it coming out of too? Like the, what fund is it? It's, do we know what fund it is? Isn't it like just the public investment fund over there?

Oh, yeah. Whose major shareholder is the public investment fund. An investment arm of Saudi Arabia's government. Right. It's just coming from giant, rich, oil, Saudi dudes. Just that's crazy amount of money. They had to, they had to cut Greg Norman a huge check, huge check. What is this?

Is there just, is there just a, um, you know, a royalty, a prince or something over there who just loves golf. Like, what is going? Like, why are they, of all the things in the world, they're like, golf, man. We're going, we're getting Greg Norman. We're going after these guys. We're going to throw $200 million at just golf. Like, I wonder.

Yeah, man, we got to throw our fucking tinfoil hats on for this one. Something else is going on over there. This is like a movie scene. Well, we've seen Oceans Norman or something. Tripped up in the wrong people. Big time. It feels like, it just feels weird. Right, because I'm with Riggs when,

When I think of Greg Norman, I think of a smart businessman who has a lot and a lot of money, who doesn't necessarily need a bunch of Saudi Arabian money, but maybe that's not what's going on. Right, because this is Greg Norman was like drinking and hanging out with President Bill Clinton told like that story on us. He's got, that was like 20 years ago now. He's done nothing in everybody's eyes, but like make money. He's on private jets all the time. He's open in resorts and like his rift.

He's fucking Greg Norman. He's got a huge thing. When he came into our office, that star power of Greg Norman is as legitimate as against. What do they have on him that? He's like, got to do this fucking, he's going to be. A hundred million dollars or something crazy. Yeah, but when you come forth and you announce that, yes, I'm going to be the commissioner of this upstart golf league, there's a large percentage of the population that turns to you and says, what the fuck are you doing?

Does Greg Norman give a fuck about any of that, though? I don't know. I don't know. I don't think he does. But does he just want a shit ton of money? This whole thing is about a certain amount of people making a shit ton of money. That's all this is. We do nothing.

No matter what they play and no matter what tournament they join, this whole debate and all of this talk is about a certain pack of people on this planet debating on where they want to make a shit ton of money. And Greg Norman has now done the math and said, I can make a shit ton of money here more than I can make a shit ton of money anywhere else. It really comes down to the scenario of what's your price. Right. Like how much money are you willing to take to take the public heat, how much will that cost? And I would, I'm sure. Check over there, dude. Yeah. I'm sure it is. And I'm sure for Greg Norman, it is just an insane amount of money. But you have to understand. Like you said, maybe Greg Norman doesn't care. People are going to look at you and be like, hmm, that's interesting. My question is how many people said no before they got to Greg Norman? Because there's no way. Greg Norman was number one. They went to, they went to everyone before him. You know what I mean? You don't think they went to like Jack? and was like, imagine Jack Nicholas was the fucking commissioner of our new fucking league.

It would be proved within a day. I legit think they went as high as they could go. I think they probably went to Tiger. Tiger, Jack. Right. That's what I mean. Everybody. They're like, look at all this money we're going to give you.

They stumbled on the guy wrestling sharks in Australia. Like, this guy's fucking crazy. But, I mean, so I'm leading this. In 1994, Greg Norman attempted to launch a startup league called the World Golf Tour. The bid flamed out blocked by the PGA tour, but the idea has never gone away. So he has history. Right. in this kind of shit.

That's a good point. But yeah, I mean, he's, you know, I mean, Greg Norman, when we had him on the show, he was fucking awesome. Like, he was one of my favorite guests. He was super cool. He told amazing stories. Top five guests. A real aura.

Like some people, you hear about people having oras. Greg Norman has aura. Top three guests of all time. Yeah. Yeah. Totally. He was excellent. And, you know, and then he had like the running when he was the, on the broadcast for the U.S.

Open with like Fox where he, that, that, flamed out after like one year, which seemed weird. So he's got kind of this, I don't know, like a little bit of bad juju on some things for whatever fucking reason. And now him jumping in with the Saudi back thing. I think like we said, everybody can talk about the intrigue from the league and the format. Is it going to be? None of that matters. It's just money. Like if they just all agree, yep, I'm going to make $50 million to play 10 events a year for 10 years. Done. I don't care who the fuck's backing it. I'm not in politics or, you know, geopolitical affairs. They're like, I just hit a golf ball around a fucking field. And if someone's going to pay me $50 or $100 million to do it, done. I'm doing it. I think it's pretty much that simple. Some guys might have a little ethical clause in their brain where they are like, no, I'm not going to do that.

Great. I think Rory's come out and been against it. That's great. That's incredibly respectful. But I think if you're going to look at how this is all going to unfold, there's just going to be a good amount of guys that are probably like, yep, pay me an outrageous amount of money. I'll play golf wherever you want me to play golf. Let me see that cock.

Let me see that cut. Hold on. It's like, yeah, my career is kind of on the backside. Look at this fucking cock. Look at this fucking cock on this guy. I mean, look at the cock on this dude. Greg Norman's got a hand. And that's not, we're not, we're allowed to talk about it because it's on his fucking

Instagram still. Look at this thing. You don't even have to zoom in anymore. You can just. You can see it. Me and Lurch could see it from Arizona, baby. No problem. We can see that thing.

Yeah. That's nice. You don't need a hundred million dollars when you got that thing. But, you know, I guess great normal feels differently. It's got a gravitational pull. It's got more a gravitational pull in the moon. And it's not just golf. Like I remember a year or two ago when pro wrestling, like they went over to Saudi Arabia.

And it was an event for four, I think, four Saudi princes just sat next to the ring. And they took pro wrestlers over there and they paid them just an insane amount of money. So you guys are right when all it comes down to is for some people is how much money do you want to make? doing this. And I'll give the some people the benefit of the doubt. I bet that there are golfers out there that are like, all right, if we do this, we're changing the course of golf forever. That's what they will be doing. They're going to just like ruin the PGA tour. It'll be completely depleted and all the best players will go to this other tour and they'll play only a certain amount of events, whatever. So like, I'm assuming a lot of the decision will go into that as well. All right. And I'm going to make 60 million extra dollars here. But at some point, This is your moment to either change history or just keep it going. They can actually change the history of golf right now. Well, isn't that kind of like what AEW is doing with the WWE? Right.

It is. But with this, it gets more complicated because of who's backing it. It makes it different. I feel like now, like the entities that can, the friends of the PGA tour will just partner up, buddy, buddy. And you try to hold what you can and be like, yeah, if you enter that, like, you can't enter these tournaments or potentially these. majors or something like that to just try to block golf's over. Golf is over them because if the guys just go over there, play the events and you just get rid of the majors, golf as we know it is forever done.

Right, because broadcast rights are a really interesting question there too, because how are we going to watch these? Who's going to put these on TV? Are they only going to be on the internet? And like Frankie's saying, if the biggest stars go over there and they do this and we aren't able to see them, golf is dead. Imagine the masters with like a Saudi prince putting on the fucking. green jacket on the winter.

Like, I'm picturing a world in, in a hundred years where, like, because of this decision that Greg Norman and these guys are making right now, golf forever is just different. My gut feeling on the whole thing is there, it's an interesting idea, I suppose, but they're not going to get the star power that they need to actually power a league. Like, that's been the biggest problem thus far, because they can't get the rories of the world to jump over because of the problematic backing. I was going to say, the problematic backing is what's going to never. let this happen yeah i mean you just can't in this world in 2021 specifically you cannot have

the biggest names in golf go to a place in which they're like doing horrible things um noted horrible things yeah everyone in the world knows about um you just can't have that it's not going to happen it would be a PR fucking nightmare these guys would be signing that final check for the that's the last check they'll ever get so hopefully it's a huge one because they're not getting endorsements they're not coming back to america like it's going to be bad you're getting dirty money not like dirty money in the sense of how it was made, but like, I mean, fuck, man, there's a lot of bad stuff going on over there. Real lot of bad stuff. Yeah, and I think that that's probably going to win over. I think you're right. It has to. Pretty much it. And it's interesting because if this was,

right, if this was just backed by like the Australian government, right? They were really trying to make a push to like build Australian golf league. I think we would have a serious, serious conversation on our hands right here of, you know, the back and forth and how legitimate it is. And we'd be a little bit excited because PGA Tour, like all the negative shit that we've talked about are the things that the tour does that we don't love and how protective they are and how they don't like really allow there to be feuds and allow their game to be kind of a little crazier and a little nuttier like the NBA where you feed into all that and you build more drama and you get bigger stars, at least bigger personalities because of it.

Like all of those things, this would be positioned as competition to that, which would be great for us, like the broadcast. anytime people bitch about the broadcast, like you have a competitor that's going to force the PGA tour to do it more how we would like to see them do it. But when it's the backing like that, you just can't endorse it. You just fucking can't. It's like, you know, it's not worth it.

You're going to sell your soul. And again, I think some people probably are willing to and we'll maybe find out in the coming months who has or who hasn't. But I think there's a fucking reason that it hasn't been like leaked or revealed because I don't think anybody, everybody's wrestling with that themselves. And clearly the thing hasn't been able to get anywhere until this is the first real, real step it feels like with Greg Norman is the help. And I still don't know that that's enough that Greg Norman is like their commissioner.

I don't know that everyone's like, fuck, Greg's there. Like, I got to go now. I'm out. They got to shock, baby. They got to go. Is he getting any backlash today on Twitter or no? I mean, I haven't seen any. The only thing that I saw was our guy, Aiman Lynch, wrote an article and the tweet to the

to the article was Greg Norman's Saturday deal reveals nothing about golf's future, but plenty about him. So that's, I mean, I haven't seen backlash, but I also just haven't seen people talking about. Yeah. Which might be the backlash that they would,

they don't want it all because there's indifference to the decision. It's like, all right, well, you got Greg Norman. What they would need to make an actual splash, and they know this, is a young, up and coming megastar to join.

Trent Ryan. And they just haven't gotten that so far. If they got a Rory, if they got a ROM, If they got, you know, one of those guys to do it, then we're actually talking about something with this. As much as I love Greg Norman and I want him to come back on the show because he's an amazing guest. This is not it. It is indicative of how reliant golf is on its mega stars.

Yep. Yeah, because there's no teams. There's no teams. There's no teams, Riggs. You got to fucking rely on these guys. You can't bat. You know, at least if you have a team, you have unwavered. dedication and loyalty to that logo and that brand no matter what happens. But for this,

you are completely dependent on singular guys success. And that is why it's so fucking hard to get golf to where it needs to be because you're just relying on a bunch of just guys to do well, like single guys to do well. And they need to continue to do well to make themselves these huge stars. You need single guys to do well in a sport that is impossible. Right. And that's why Isn't it amazing that there always is guys that do it, though? Isn't that fucking nuts? Like, you would think with how fucking hard golf is that no one would, like, be the leader in the pack. And there is always the same names of the top of the leaderboard.

Same names. And they don't always win, but they're usually there, which it is very impressive. And that's why when Tiger was, Tiger dominant, that's why golf was so big because it was one guy who was so consistent every single week that you could root for it. And a good amount of the time, you were going to be right. What's going on with you on the bottom of that screen there, Lurge? You all right? I just got some crazy.

crazy back pain that I'm just like just trying to stretch out. So I apologize. What kind of back pain? This is lower back pain? Yeah. Low, kind of like hot. In my, just like in my butt a little bit down, like not down my leg, but just like going that direction.

So I'm just, as soon as this is over, I'm going to roll around the floor for about 15 and really stretch it out because it hurts right now. Well, this latest for play horrific bodies update.