Fore Play - Billy Horschel, History, And The Rollercoaster Of Golf

Episode Date: June 6, 2023

Billy Horschel joins the show (54:57) to discuss his viral interview after shooting 84, the ups and downs of golf, and coming out better on the other side. Before Billy, Riggs and Dan breakdown Rose Zhang’s historic win at Liberty National, Viktor Hovland taking down Denny McCarthy at Jack’s place, the upcoming U.S. Open at LACC, Chad Ramey’s 13, Breaking 90’s return, a wholesome Father’s Day video, and The Score Bet’s unique involvement at this week’s RBC Canadian Open.You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

Hey, 4Play listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcast, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Oh, Rick! What's up, my brother? I got a buddy who struggles with that shot. A lot. His name's Frankie Borrelli. So the guys actually gave him a nickname of Butterknives because he's always nice to the cross the green.

Bro, 100. Now you've got to break 90. We appreciate what you guys do for golf. It's been really cool. Thank you. You're making it cool. I was like, hey, Phil, you only fucking $29.99. And he grabs 100.

He's like, yeah, I won $90,000 of these yesterday. He goes, take 100 and go fuck yourself. What? What are you that different? It's ain't a hobby. Foreplay, presented by Barstool Sports, brought to you by our very, very good friends at Chevy, the all-electric Silverado from Chevy. Barstool's most valuable truck they call that bad boy.

Chevy Evie's for everyone everywhere. We got much to discuss. Billy Horshill is going to join for the second half. of this show. If people didn't see, he shot 84 on Thursday at Mirfield at the Memorial, where he has won before. He then agreed to do media afterwards, which is amazing. And then in that media, he was insanely candid, emotional about the toll of golf, about everything. That then went viral. A bunch of people chimed in from Fleener to other golfers, basically telling stories about how great of a guy, Billy Horsal is. We've obviously been big Billy Ho guys for the last year or so. We had

the whole scramble match with them at TBC, Sawgrass. So I reached out to him and just said, if you'd like to come on the show and chit-chat. So he's going to come on in a few hours for us in real time. He'll come on immediately after we're done talking for you guys. So Billy Horshaw is coming up. I'm excited to talk to him. I'm excited to hear kind of his vantage point, his mindset on everything,

and just kind of catch up with Billy Ho. We got me and Dan Rappaport right now. We got Rose Zhang, who just won in her first professional start in the LPGA tour. Has it happened since 1951. That's 72 years. that just literally never happens. We had Victor Hovlin, Danny McCarthy down the stretch at Mearfield, one of the more iconic non-major tournaments every year pretty much.

And it delivered again this year. We got U.S. open next week. So we got quite a bit to discuss. Dan Rapport actually is getting married this week. How about that? Yeah, this is a big week. But you know what? This isn't about me.

This is about golf and this is about fans. So we'll keep the wedding talk to a minimum because honestly, I've just had my fill of talking about the wedding. It's going to happen. I'm going to be there. I'm going to have a great time. But I am done talking about this damn wedding. So let's talk about golf, baby.

Yeah. It's essentially your fiance's party that you're going to be a big part of is basically what's going on. My favorite recent development is I'm getting a lot of texts from a lot of people being like, this is the week. Like, how are you feeling? It's like, I'm feeling the same as I've felt the last 20 months since we've been engaged. Like, I don't know if I'm supposed to like have this crazy sense of nervousness or I'm

just like, yeah, I'm ready. It's the same date, the date that we told you to block off, that date's coming up. So that's what's going to happen. Incredible. Incredible. I, in a funny way, I'm going to be in Chicago. The wedding's in Chicago. And I just won't be at your wedding.

Which is crazy. Can we talk about the craziness about this? Riggs said, told me he couldn't come to the wedding. I'm sorry. I need to, I need to vent a little bit about this. Yeah, yeah. Rick says, you know, it's just a really tough time for me. You know, I've been, you know, kind of the center of this trip for 12 years, 15 years.

27 years and you know we're doing it every year and this is the last year so last year we do it so i just got to go i said i said yeah of course no problem where's the trip you know i'm getting married in chicago i'm just curious he goes this is chicago i'm like well and and and so there's there's no way you could he's like yeah no i just it's just not going to work i considered all options and there's i'm just not going to be able to go that's pretty much the situation the i appreciate the commitment to the trip. We might as well be in Ireland. Like, we're just in a bubble when we do this trip. This is the Skokie challenge that I talk about every year. My brother drives up from St. Louis. It's kind of a big family affair mixed with friends. We've had like four different sets of

brothers, I think, throughout the trip that have been involved. We're almost like three generations have been involved. It's my very, very good college buddies, parents host us at their home. We walk to the course they have a home on the course uh it's a whole deal we have like an opening dinner friday saturday night is story night and steak night these significant others are invited and i just was doing it in my head and i was like yeah i've just i've never missed the way it works is like these the family pretty much just puts out the date and they're like this is just when it is you need to be there i've obviously never missed my brother's never missed so i was just like i'm i'm sorry dad i just can't make it i get that it's in chicago i get probably 20 minutes from

It's not far. I know exactly what the golf course is. It's not far. Not going to be there. But I believe Frankie and Trent will be there. I'm excited to hear all about how it went. I'm rooting you great luck. I'm going to get you a gift, the whole deal,

but I just won't physically be there. So I hope you have a great wedding experience, wedding week, the whole deal. Let's talk about golf. We got a lot of golf to get into. A couple golf things on our front. Breaking 90 comes out on Wednesday.

Is that right, Bush? The next Breaking 90 resumes. Resumes? Yep, Wednesday. Breaking 90 resumes on Wednesday. I saw a lot of hype about this. I don't know. I go in dark.

I don't want to know. I mean, Dan played Perez and you guys had a couple of matches. I don't want to know who wins. I don't want to know. I want to watch. And the same deal of Breaking 90. I'm not there.

That's largely a Frankie. Trent are behind the scenes guys production. So Breaking 90 returns Wednesday. So get hyped, get excited for that. Trent's obviously been working hard in his game. And then the Father's Day video with Trent and Frankie at Myrtle Beach, which is one of the more wholesome things that's ever occurred,

is out now that came out on, Monday yesterday when you guys are listening to the show now. So go to Ford Play YouTube. Please subscribe, check out. We got video after video coming out. Per usual, our guys have been working their dicks off, getting these things edited, film and flying all over the place. Frankie and Trent, not here right now because they're in Wisconsin at Lock Label hosting the

Barstool Classic. They're heckling people on the tea. I believe Jeff D. Lowe's out there doing trivia. So we're busy. We got shit going all over the place. And then shout out to the Canadian Open. The RBC Canadian Open this week. Amazing golf tournament.

Last year, it was Rory versus. is JT down the stretch. Rory wins, gives the whole interview where he says he's got one more win now than Greg Norman and the whole deal. Crazy that we've come a full year since then. But the score bet, who is part of martial sports, the score bet, they've got a par three hole going on up there called hole zero, which is a playable part three for anyone that's there on site, patrons fans, that you can play. So along with the score bet, you should be using that this week. if you're Canadian, if you're up there in the Toronto area, RBC, Canadian Open going on. It is basically Canada's major.

It's like the biggest golf tournament that goes on in Canada. So you guys should be excited for that way. Like Canada, go check out that whole CIA stack up against the field. It's hole zero golf hole going on on site at the site right next to where PGA tour pros are just playing for the big golf tournament that there is in Canada. So shout out to the score of that. You know, we have been a big part of the Chevy EV family. Obviously, you've been talking about it for a year. so now. Rented a Chevy

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Check out that website. Go to Chevy.com to learn more. Chevy EVs for everyone everywhere. Victor Hovlin wins. It's his fourth, I believe, PGA Tour winning. He won like $3.6 million. Gutsy down the stretch. He was the only guy all day to Bertie 17.

Getsy par on 18 up and down from just over the green. And then wins on, what was it, the second playoff hole that he ended up winning on? First, first. First playoff. Oh, that's right. Dan McCarthy went bogey, bogey, which is, you know, after not really making a bogey all day, I believe, until the 18th hole. And then the first playoff hole. But, but yeah, Victor Hovlin, Stud.

He's been right there in the last several majors. gets a win at a big golf tournament. It feels like Victor Hovelin's kind of one of the guys right now. Yeah, I think what you said, he's been in contention in the last three or two of the last three. He played in the final group. I remember at St. Andrews, he was playing with Rory Macro and Cameron Smith, obviously, ended up winning the tournament.

He was so conservative that day. I remember he was hitting like four iron off the tea. And he later said to his credit that, you know, my strategy was off. It's been an interesting development in Victor Hovlin's career is that he's, he like, will analyze what he's done in the past. and be very upfront about changes that he needs to make. He's like, I played too conservative off the tea back then. He's not going to do that again.

His chipping, obviously, the story's been told a million times where it's been an Achilles heel through his career. He knew that his technique was off. And he said something after he won on Sunday that I think will resonate with a lot of golfers, is he said, you know, back before I had the right technique, it wasn't just that I couldn't pull off the shots, like under the gun, the short game shots. It was that he didn't have the shots. If he was on a downslope and needed to like stop something quick,

he just physically couldn't pull off that shot with the technique that he had. So to completely overhauled his chipping, yeah, he's been there obviously was in contention at the PGA where he hit it in the lip of the bunker. When you hit it as good as he does and you're starting now to chip and to be confident, he's dangerous. I think he's going to be, you know, probably like in the fourth or fifth favorite range for LACC because it's a game that's always been really solid on paper four majors,

but the short game has held him back. And now he's showing that at least, you know, he can, he can pull off those shots down the stretch. So his stock is insanely high, especially after he decided to caddy for his boy. That, that, I mean, do you see that move this morning? Saw that. Yep. We obviously got USO qualifying today, 36 holes. That's the biggest.

He's at, I assume he's at Springfield Country Club where everybody tries to qualify after they play. Yeah. So he, yeah, I guess the story is that he had already committed to caddy with his boy, no matter what happens, he wins the tournament, shows up the next morning. He's looping for 36 holes for his college pal. That's such a classic. He would never have agreed to that after the fact, but it's once you already say yes,

then you look like an asshole if you say no. If he had said no at the beginning, you'd be like, ah, you know, it's the end of the memorial. It's a long day. It's 36 holes. That'd be fine. But once you say yes, and then you win, then it's like, oh, this guy thinks he's big time.

Like, oh, you win one golf tournament. All of a sudden you can't be carrying the bag. I just love it when a pro does this because the reaction from golf Twitter, and I am 100% complicit in this. But the reaction is just, player X is the most likable player in the history of the world. Player X is the best person in America. We don't deserve player X. Player X is a national treasure. It's just rinse and repeat. I get I'm not saying that I'm a special case. I just find it funny that we just do the same dance every single time a player does something like pretty cool.

It's a all time PR move. Like I know I don't he doesn't strike me as a guy that did it for PR reasons. But if anybody out there, there's a lesson to you all. No matter what, if you just do a pretty normal thing like caddy and for his buddy is a pretty normal thing. I bet he enjoys it. I bet he enjoys that. A lot of me. He's out there with his pal. He's a golf geek. Like,

they're going to be spending 10 hours together today. He loves golf. He's right in the mix. He kind of gets to be involved in a big round of golf, big two rounds golf for his buddy. I bet he's very excited about it. Yet everyone's like, like he became the janitor at the local school for the day. It's crazy. And treating it that way.

So he's been like, you know, like he's been volunteering at the hospital for months. Like, yes, it's very cool what he did. It's a cool. It's a homey move. It's great. It's just like. he's he's mother teresa now i've caddied for a couple of my buddies that cutties my buddy uh Kyle in the mass open qualifier then i think we actually for the mass And it's insanely fun being out there, being again involved.

Somebody's trying to make it. You're involved in pressure moments. You're involved in club decisions and confirmation and conversations and reads on greet. Like, it's very fun. Have I never told you my U.S. Open qualifying story? Cadding. I don't know if you have. So I caddied for a guy.

He's actually playing in the L.A. one again. He's kind of this, like, local legend. He played a couple years in the Corn Ferry Tour. His name is Danny Wax. And then he gave it up. So I caddy for him 36 holes, 2010. So I was 15. And this was at Del Paso Country Club in Sacramento.

So I like I skipped school. Again, I'm 15 years old, probably ninth grade. And I had caddied for him in the local. We grew up at the same club, so we were boys. He plays the first round. You know, there's a bunch of pros there. And he plays the first round. He shoots three over.

And we're like, all right, this is basically over. Basically throw away all the strategy for the second round and just fire it pins. That's what we're going to do. Just fire at pins. He gets to the 17th hole of the second round. And he's seven under for the second round. Um, so four under total and it's going to be close. Like he's putting he's setting, you know, he's right about on the line.

He's going to be really close. 17th hole he holds out a 30 yard bunker shot on a 230 yard par three for Bertie to get to eight under for the round. So at this point, and we had an agreement in place that if I caddied for him in the local and I caddied for him in the sectional, then I was absolutely caddying at that year. It was at pebble fucking beach. So I'm thinking to myself, we're going to pebble beach. The last one's like a driver eight iron.

Like we're ready to go here. And it was a while it was like a 40-yard walk back to the T. And I turned to him and I said, it looks like you're getting yourself a course record today, baby. And he looks at me and in a moment of weakness and this is kind of, he's like, why did you say that? Like, why would you say that? I was like, I don't know.

You're eight under like, you'll make another birdie or make a par and your price of the court record. Insane move that you said that. I couldn't agree more with him. I was 15 years old. Like it was definitely not like a cool thing. But that's something that if you're the player, you don't say anything.

and then after the round, you're like, don't ever fucking say that again. I wouldn't be blaming him for the commentary on the 18th tee. I'm trying to deflect a little bit. He hits it in the right trees. He has to punch out. He third one, short in the bunker.

He makes a bogey and misses a playoff by one shot. Yep. Yeah, man, it's on you. You probably never got the call up to Caddy again. Never played in the U.S. I told there used to be a lot of people listening that are like, I got to get Dan Rappapaport in the bag now, which is ironic because one of your,

doing your video series. I was 15. I was 15 years old. Listen, you have to learn through life experiences. But yeah, it's an incredible day. And it's, you know, I've been watching the, I'm such a nerd. I've been watching the golf channel coverage of it all day. They cover it like it's an election. You know what I mean?

Like they do. It's all day coverage. They go to different sites. You know, they have election people who are like, oh, you know, turnout is high in Dayton County or whatever. They're like, oh, John King. That's the guy. CNN, the guy with the giant screen, the giant touchscreen.

That's the guy. The magic wall. Yeah. And it's just a really cool day because for a lot of these guys, just making it, that's the goal. Anything that happens is gravy. But you go to a lot of these other tournaments. And it's sort of the same thing for the PJ Championship. But you go to like the Players Championship, for example, right?

And if a guy misses the cut by six, he's like on the range, it's like a crisis, like really bad. At the U.S. Open, you've got probably 40 guys in the field who are, you know, they're telling themselves that they can wear. They're telling themselves that they can do it, but really simply making this tournament is one of the highlights of their life. So today's a really, really cool day in golf. It is. I agree. It is. By the time this comes out, you know, we'll know a lot of who got in.

The blocks are playing. So the block parties kind of back on the on stage, I guess, today. So if they or he or a son make it, that'll get a lot of coverage. And a lot of it gets coverage. Who gets through? Who doesn't? Sergio got through, I believe, a couple weeks ago at the last qualifier when there was. So players like that, you'll see.

Yeah, it's a great day. U.S. Open. I actually was having a chat. I spent a lot of time with my dad over the last five days or so. He went down to Piner's. He played number two, number four for the first time. He's getting back into golf for the first time in like 10 years. Amazing. He's a little bit of golf or talk a lot about golf. Oh, this is just nothing cool with playing golf with your dad. Absolute blast. See him out there. Taylor made. Hooked him up with a fitting and a set of clubs. I got him some G4s. I did get him some Peter Malar gear too. And he just went. And you got to give him credit. He just went straight. his go-to golf shirt that he's had for like 15 years. So I gave it was like an underarmor shirt. It's like all this sweet stuff. And he wore his cargo, he wore his cargo shorts and like an under armor polo or something that he's just, that's his golf polo.

That's what he's had anytime. And again, in the last 10, 15 years that he's shown up to like a Barstall classic or so. This is like his one of his two or three things that he has that he has just mentally labeled as. Play the hit. Golf shirt. I will golf shirt it up today.

That's it. So, uh, but he had the gym. G4s. He had the MG4 pluses on. He loved those. He was piping his stealth too, piping it, which is nice to see. He doesn't have a single wedge in his bag that has more locked than a gap wedge. That's just how he's a bump and run guys, an old man, playing an old man golf. So he finally at the end of the trip conceded and was

like, so you think I should get it like a sand wedge? I was like, yep, I think you need to get a sand wedge. Probably, yeah. Uh-huh, uh-huh. But incredible time, um, getting back into it. But anyways, we were talking a lot. We had a couple of car trips together, road trips together. And he was like, I think the U.S. Open is my favorite golf tournament to actually watch. He's like, I think it's the one that I get the most hyped up to watch. And I was, we were debating it talking about it. I kind of said Masters and then we started talking British Open. Then we were talking about PGA and how the PGA's delivered in the last five or six years,

a bunch of amazing bag nine. But I think from a pure golf standpoint and bringing that us up, because obviously US opens next week, it's a qualifying. I do think like the Masters has the most high. And like we talk about it so much. The back nine, Amen Corner, all the tradition and all that.

I also think being first is an underrated huge part of why the Masters is so as big as it is. There's so much build up for nine months. But I think pure like golf shot for golf shot, the U.S. Open is up there. I just feel like it's up there. And it depends on the course in each year. But it's like every swing could lead to a double bogey.

It feels like. And that's just it's fun for golfers to watch. It's more relatable. We always say that we go for Cardi. The British Open at certain venues too It could be amazing because it has the most Interesting like results of any shot Where it could take a hill or the firmness

And it could end up anywhere But I do think the U.S. Open is that cardage that you're for When you tune in and like one of the best players in the world Is nine over through 11 or something You're like, all right, I got to watch this shit This is incredible. So very, very hyped up for the U.S. Open LACC next week. Very, very, very hyped up.

But yeah, I'm super excited for this one. I grew up in L.A. And I've played that golf course like quite. a few times. So it feels, obviously, it's not truly a home U.S. Open. I don't, you know, but I've played it a bunch of times. And I know that course pretty well. And we're working on some content for you guys that is going to be a little bit different than anything for Play is kind of done in the past that we got rolling out for US Open Week, one YouTube video and then a couple social concepts that I'm really excited about a real team effort between

myself, Brendan and Alex Bush. And I'm going to be just in, in heaven that week. I'm staying I'm staying at my parents' house. LA. I played that golf course a bunch of times. LA is like my city. I'm moving back there in a couple months. If it were up to me, I probably would have moved back like a year ago.

So it's, yeah, I'm really, really looking forward to it. That gets me high tough because I don't know shit about this golf course. And I've said a lot on, I'll walk you through everything on Monday. I've said a lot on,

you know, when we go on golf trips, I try to refrain nowadays from taking the whole by whole tour because I think that when you, you know, when you, when you experience a golf course for the first time, the way that the architect or the owner, the combination of both the developers, whoever, meant it to be is that when you walk on a tee or you walk over a fairway crest and see, have a reveal, see the green for the first time, it was meant to be experienced that way for the first time.

And if you get in all these whole flyovers and pictures, I think that it can take away from that experience. Very difficult to do. The hype gets, you know, you get the hype train going. The group tech gets going a couple weeks before, a month before. all you want to do to distract yourself from work or personal issues or stress or paying bills, whatever is like, I just want to focus on this fucking golf trip. I'm going to go look at pictures online. I'm going to, like, it's really hard to do.

But if you could do that, it makes that experience so much cooler when you walk onto a tee, you walk onto a golf course, you've heard it's great, and you don't know anything about it. And that's like, that's so cool. There's a little bit of that with LACC that I'm really excited about right now, that I know nothing about it. But given the beginning of the week, I want to learn about it. And then once the coverage starts, you start to build a relationship with the viewing, with the golf course, with where guys are on the golf course.

I remember that going through that at O'Kill, like, I didn't really remember anything for 2013 PGA at O'Kill. And so as you kind of develop and learn about like the sixth hole and the seventh hole and how hard those golf holes are at O'Kill. And you kind of emotionally can put yourself in the mindset of the golfer of like where they're at in this round. Oh, they got a couple of birdie opportunities coming up. Tens playing down when today, you know, whatever. And that, that, like building that sort of relationship with LACC from scratch, I'm actually really excited about. I'm looking forward to seeing it with you for the first time that you've seen it.

It's an incredible piece of property that is right in the middle of the city. I mean, those drone shots are going to just absolutely pop on a clear day. You can see downtown. It's like kind of like Liberty National. It's like crazy. I'm just going to leave it there. but extremely excited for it. And yeah, it's sneaking up on us.

This part of the year just flies by. It's like boom, boom, boom, boom. Yeah, it does. I was thinking this time in two weeks, we will be halfway through the major season. And like, you know, seven, eights of the way through the PG tour season or so. We're already halfway through the major season. Well, I'm sorry, we'll be more than halfway through the major season,

which is, right, that's nuts to think about. That's like, and we're really, if you count, I mean, the players championship isn't a major, but there's five biggest, like, stroke play events every year, players is one of them. So the fact that we have three of those bad boys are down already. We've only got two left. It's nuts how quickly it happens. I feel like we were just talking on this show about watching fucking whales at the tournament

of champions and like getting going a little bit. Some of the big stars are back playing. And now here we are where, like I said, we're already halfway through the major season. So Myrtle Beach, South Carolina is the golf capital of the world. Was recently voted America's favorite buddies trip destination. have a video right now. We tease it on the show a little bit, but a video from Myrtle Beach with the fathers. We have Trent Ryan, Frank Borrelli, and then both of their fathers, the four of them, playing golf in Myrtle Beach, experiencing Myrtle Beach. It's an unbelievable video. It's very funny. It's

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because they're giving away a trip for you and three buddies. That's Forplaymerdlebeach.com. back to the memorial uh obviously victor hovlin incredible deny mccarthy kind of a weird um kind of a weird thing that he didn't win it felt like everything was happening that he was just going to win it felt like he was making put after putt on the back dine he got the bounce on 15 is that what the part five is down the stretch yeah he got the bounce there going left of left and kicked back in the fairway hit it left into the trees and water over there and all kinds of bad stuff over there, kicked into the fairway. Then he comes up short with his gap wedge,

hits an okay bunker shot to 10, 12 feet, makes it. Then hits it great on 16, misses a short birdie putt, 17 playing really difficult, hits exactly, I were supposed to, pipes it over that bunker down the middle, hits a great iron into kind of the middle of the green. 18, it's like, okay, he's just going to get it done. And he just didn't get it done. He didn't get up and down on 18, goes into the playoff, again, did not get up and down, lift out a put it looked like it was going in hovlin does makes a big five six foot or whatever that was and wins it it was uh it was weird where it just felt like it was him all day you were kind of keeping an eye on a few other guys maybe they'll make a run it wasn't even like hofflin it felt like made a run it's like

they pan to him on 17 he makes a bomb and then you're like oh shit if mccarthy makes a bogey they're just going to have the same score right now it's weird how it would happen well holllin was super patient in that way like you know it could have it would have been very easy especially from where he was on 18. He was kind of up there in the right rough to take on that flag and try to like jam a birdie in there thinking that you need one more. But he knew that how tough 18 was playing. And he knew that, you know, Denny's not a long hitter. So if Denny misses that fairway, it's unlikely that he's going to be able to get it to the green. So he kind of played safely right of it, left himself a manageable chip and then handled that pretty well. Denny McCarthy.

Denny McCarthy is like what every person thinks their game could be if they just, if they just did. You know, I got a text from one of my buddies. His name is Andy, and he's just like a grinder, like the grittiest grinder. He every round is the U.S. Open. He goes through his putting routine and, you know, he just grind out in 82. And I got a text from him that made me laugh on Sunday that was like, I want to be Denny McCarthy when I grow up. That's the guy.

He's like, that guy makes every putt. He's so he's going to grind it out no matter what. Maybe he doesn't look pretty, but he's right there. So it's fun to watch his game because there's a lot of guys where you watch where Victor Hovlin, like he's strong. his swing is so athletic and he hits it so good. So it's cool to see a guy like McCarthy be able to contend on a big hard golf course like that where we think it's like ball striking, ball striking, ball striking, ball striking.

But, you know, when you're when you're missing greens and it's as difficult as it is and you're not able to get it close with chipping a lot of the times, you're going to have a lot of those like 10 to 15 footers for PARN. So McCarthy's played tough courses pretty well with that formula. Scrappy. Scrappy game. I agree. It's achievable.

You know, we talk a lot about the difference between watching someone that it feels like you could do it. Like when I watch Brandon Todd play golf, it's like, I think I could do a version of that. If you just, you know, if you just attainable.

That's obtainable. Like Danny McCart, that's obtainable. When you watch Rory play, when you watch Brooks Kepka play, that's not obtainable. I could never do anything close to that. I just couldn't.

I cannot do it. I cannot. Rory at one point, I watched it on Thursday and Friday. And he pulls out driver, hits this high cut, takes one hand off the club, like hated it.

The thing carried like 324. and landed on the right side of the fairway and one hopped like barely into the rough. And obviously he knew he had missed the fairway the way the ball flight was, whatever. But I mean, his like that would have been the greatest drive I've ever struck by 100x. It would have been like, was there like a jet stream on the ball?

Like it would people wouldn't have believed it. I mean, this thing was in the air forever. And it was a one handed disgusted finish. He hated it. And they just, I'm watching the ticker go and that thing is flying. 100, 200, 300.

I was like, and it stopped at 324 carry. I think it was. And I was like, holy shit. And it just huge one hop into the rough. Probably went 335 total, barely in the rough. He had like a wedge into a fucking 500 yard part foot. You know, and you're just like, all right, this fucking guy is not obtainable. It's not achievable.

I could never, ever under any circumstances do that. But when I watch Danny McCarthy, I agree with your buddy with you. Like you get a little bit of like, okay, man, I don't have to be Denny McCarthy. But if I could play a shittier version of that, I could shoot around even par. On an average course that we play, that's 6,600 yards. Like, how fucking hard could that be? This guy's doing it. He's eight under, six, under, seven under on a course that is impossible.

7,500 yards, whatever it is. The rough's ridiculous. There's water everywhere. Chad Ramey's making 13s. He's out there. So if we play a golf course, that's a thousand yards less than that and way easier, why can't I just play a version of Danny McCartney's game that allows me to get around in 72 or 74 instead of fucking 82 like how hard is that and he's kind of um you can live vicariously through him out there so I completely agree with that speaking of which we had a couple amazing instances um I wrote down the billy horschle a bad round on Thursday and all that which we're going to get to with him um directly from him so I don't need to get to that but the chad ramy 13 that occurred on the ninth hole It was his final hole on Thursday's round, I believe.

Just one of the more shocking things I've ever, I've ever witnessed was looking at the shot tracer, shot link of this. What the, what happened? Honestly, I've only seen the shot tracer. I don't think I saw video, but the crazy part, I don't think anybody, I don't think they have it. The craziest part is that he was in the middle of the fairway, right? He had like 300 yards. Yeah, so he needed 12 from there, I guess. I, you know, you're going to miss the cut and, and, you know, you're going to, it was at his last

hole of the, of like the 36 holes and he was going to miss the cut? No, it was, it was Thursday, but I thought it was Thursday. I thought he was like playing fine. Yeah. No, I think you're right. I think you're right. I think it was Thursday. Yeah, I, I remember seeing that.

Yeah. It's, it's inexplicable. It's, yeah, I don't, I don't have any words to describe it. I haven't seen it. I don't know if I really want to see it. It's kind of awkward when you see a professional golfer, like in that kind of moment, because you're like, oh my God, like is what's going to happen? Is he going to, is he going to hit somebody?

Is he, so you know, like jump into the lake? But yeah, it was, it went, it came and went very quietly, which is a little fishy in this day and age. Is there a video? I don't think I've, I know I haven't seen the video. I'm trying to find out if there was one and we just didn't see it. But yeah, man, 13. I love it. I love that that could just happen.

I, you know, you realize it. Like, we see people on 12 at Augusta, just shank shots. We saw Jordan Speath. obviously a different scenario, but he just flubbed a chip. I mean, that guy's unbelievable with a wedge. He flubbed a little wedge in 2016 when he ended up melting down and making like a seven on the 12th hole. So you could just do it. It could happen to literally anyone.

That's why I always laugh. Like when we hit horrific shots on camera when the kid from Good Good a couple of weeks ago hit that low left missile that almost killed that guy, and people were like, oh, there's no way this is guys like a plus handicap golf. That one shot or that one instance has nothing to do with whether you're, I mean, if the best players, in the, literally in the world can do it and be made to look like complete idiots. Then obviously the average weekend golfer or anyone that's less of a golfer than them could do it.

There are videos out there of Tiger Woods and his prime topping three woods off the tea. I've seen it happen before. So it's like you just, it could happen to anyone at any moment. But the 13 were shocking. That's a big number, man. 13 is a big number to make on a golf home. Especially from 300 yards in the middle of the fairway. Usually there's like, usually it's on a hole where there's like,

OB right and water left and you go, you know, water OB, water OB. You know, my man had like a nine iron in with his second shot. This, uh, this Scotty Sheffler stats that are going on right now that are building up. The storyline is also one of the more perplexing things I've ever seen. Scotty Schaeffler, um, real quick, he led the field and strokes gained off the T. you led the field and strokes gained T to green. Um, he led the field and strokes gained approach the green. That never happens on its own.

That never happens on its own. You never see a guy winning all three. By any metric, he was dominant with a staggering 20.71 shot advantage on the field. That is the second best gain behind Vijay Singh's record mark of 21.14 in 2004 at TBC Boston, also notoriously bad putter for a great player. Since the tour introduced the category 20 years ago, yet he lost 8.5 strokes to the field in strokes gained. putting for the week. His closing 67 at Mearfield Village, which temporarily tied him for the lead at 600 was statistically awful effort on the greens as well. He made just 43 feet of putts on Sunday, which was exactly one foot better than his 42 feet on Thursday. Yet he still shot

on 67. So this guy is in a such rarefied territory right now where he is way, way, way better than anybody else in the world, in the world at ball striking right now and horrific puttick. Yeah. He's quick to point out that there is one asterisk. He did hole out from just off the green on eight. Okay. Granted. You still lost like eight to the field.

So that didn't all of a sudden make it a great. Yeah. I mean, I wrote about this in like a weird way, it almost makes me more confident that he's just going to dominate the next couple weeks or the next couple of years. I think he's been in the U.S. Open again. I mean, I said that about the master. but I think he's winning the U.S. Open. It's like, it's the hardest,

it's one of the hardest things to do in golf. We've all been there. You're hitting it really well, and you're giving yourself chances. You just can't make a putt. And you just can't make a putt, and golf seems so hard. You're like, it's hard enough for me to get it on the green,

and then I can't make a straight six footer. How am I ever going to make a birdie? How am I ever going to make a par? Whatever your level is. And then you get frustrated and it bleeds into your full swing. That happens all the time. It's like one mistake leads to the next. That's one of golf's,

main challenges. It's not letting a past mistake lead to a future mistake. He's elevated his ball. It's gotten better. Because this is the second straight week it happened. It wasn't as drastic last week at Colonial, but he lost four and a half. He lost four and a half putting, which is terrible. Those are terrific stats. If you lose over a shot around putting, you're like the worst putter on the PGA tour. So he's done that for two straight weeks. And for two straight weeks, he missed the playoff by one shot. So if he puts just average, not even better than average, he would have won by three in Dallas and like six at Memorial. So instead of viewing it as like a, you know,

you don't win in the Gus National without being able to put. Scott, he's been a good putter for most of his career. This is likely just a blip on the radar. The fact that he's able to maintain the ball striking shows how in control he is of his emotion. So I think he's winning the U.S. open. Yeah, I was going to say he's not notoriously a bad putter, is he?

No, no, he's a good putter. Look, the guy won the Masters, which is, I know, you know, there's the stats say that it's more about approach. You still got to be able to put the ball in the whole. other than the 72nd hole. You still got to be able to put the ball in the hole. And it felt like last year when he was winning all that early, he was known as like a lights out putter.

He was making everything. So this is just, it's a blip on the radar. But the timing is just crazy because that was a historic ball striking week. Historic. Yeah, I'm looking like last year he was 58th in strokes gain putting. So again,

it's positive, right? Yep. Definitely positive. He was positive. Point 202. So he's a little bit better than field average, which again,

if you hit the ball like he does, that's fine. the fact that he's even a little bit better is amazing. The year before and last year, or the two years prior, he was slightly negative in the 100, right around 100th on tour and strokes gained putting. But he's up there in, he's always been up there in putting average,

which is, I mean, when you hit the ball like he does, he's not going to have the most puts of all time. But this year he's 114th in strokes gained putting, which is not, you know, great. But it wasn't even that bad in the beginning of the season. Because like these, I mean, I don't know. I actually thought he's going to be worse because those other two years, I mean, 114th, he's minus 0.66 is what he is against the field average, which again, that's not for the year with those last couple weeks.

That includes this past week. I would assume that it does. I'm just on kind of his stats through the year. I'd be surprised that they haven't uploaded it this week, but that's surprising. Yeah, no, because it was, it's like I won two tournaments earlier in the year and, you know, he can almost win tournaments when he's putting bad. So it's really just been like a last, it kind of started Augusta Hilton head. He did not put well at Augusta, but he still. finish like seventh. It's 15 straight, by the way.

He finishes the 12th or better. 15 in a row. With losing strokes putting for the year. He lost eight and a half this week. Eight and a half is unbelievable. So that's insane. This is actually a positive conversation about Scottie Schaeffler. Think about how good he is to be in a huge part of the game

struggling that much lately and still be finishing. He finished fucking one shot out of a playoff, one shot out of a playoff on that golf court. So something to keep mind of. Roy McRoy. right there. Bad Sunday, terrible Sunday. Didn't get it done, but something to keep an eye on again, playing well for any golfer.

Needs to sort out those wedges. Needs to sort out the wedges badly. The wedges were horrific. He had the one on on. Dude, both par fives on the front nine, 14. 14, I think the drive-able one. They lay up and then they hit the,

yeah, and he was so mad. That was tough. I've never really seen him that frustrated after hitting it. He was way left. He's trying to hit a, in there I felt like to that back right pin clearly didn't you know didn't get it done Jordan speed tied for fifth Adam Scott tied for nine or I'm sorry yeah speed T5 Adam Scott T9

Ricky T9 nice to see TIRL Hatton was on the show last week saw that he set T12 for tearylhatton so just a couple names there that interesting name notable names for in the program now Trialhatton he I loved he just shot me a DM Thursday morning that just said what a grouping this week because we have a very funny chat with him. I saw him on TV coverage. She's never in feature group. And then he was with what? Like Rory and Speeth or something.

Rory and Spieth. He comes over to me on the range on Wednesday and he has that look on his face, that Tiro look. He goes, I never fucking said that ever in any interview ever in my life. And now they give me Spith and Rory. And he goes, surely that can be edited. I go, I don't think so, Terl. I think we're keeping that one in there.

That was great. I loved that. And yeah, again, he was great to watch. I had a bunch of people tweeting at us now. Like I just got to see a tearyl hat and club throwing person. It was so beautiful. It was negative vibes only. The pin on 17 was a disgrace.

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One of the bigger stories in golf, Rose in a while, especially in women's golf, Rose-Zang, just turned pro literally last week. after winning NCAA individual title back-to-back, first person to do that, I believe she won 12 of 20 starts in two years at Stanford playing NCAA Division I golf, won the U.S. The Augustine National Women's Amateur, won the NCAA title, turns pro, wins her first start at Liberty National. That amazing setting with the city as the backdrop goes into a playoff with Jennifer

Cup show who was the first winner of the Augusta National Women Amateur, won her first major championship, I believe, was her first major championship last year. So, you know, a big name out there, women's golf goes and gets into a playoff against her, pulls it out on, I believe, the second playoff hole with a fantastic, like, hybrid or five wood or something along those woods on the eight, very difficult 18th hole that playing into the win, hits it tight, is able to win with a two-put par on the playoff hole. Hasn't been done since 1951. That someone won in their first event as a professional.

Tiger Woods didn't do it, Jack Nguyen. People just don't do that. And she went out there and did it. So insanely impressive on its own, insanely impressive when you think about the hype that she has. For years now, we've been hearing about Rose. When she started at Stanford a couple years ago, I remember that the hype was outrageous. I remember hearing about this girl and how good she was and all of the expectations. And then to go in, she makes her announcement in the women's golf game. That was a huge announcement that she left Stanford. for turning pro.

So all the hype is about it. They're at Liberty National and then she goes out there and wins the damn event. It's pretty insane when you think about it. She was trending on sports. I saw last night on Twitter as she should be. Yeah, she was on the Today Show this morning. And she brings an energy to women's to women's golf that it's neat. You know, it could use.

There hasn't been an American, you know, star that's kind of transcended golf. And this is not just me talking. You know, Beth Ann Nichols, who is all over the LPGA beat, has said the same thing all week on Twitter that we've been. sort of waiting for a star to transcend. Now, whether Roseing is that star, I'm not saying she's not going to be, whether she is or not remains to be seen. But the fact that we're even having that conversation, the fact that it seemed like, you know, a lot of people here, I'm sure are, you know, golf Twitter people, golf Twitter was was locked in on Rose all day. Even if she doesn't

pan into the world beat her that she, by all accounts, she looks like she will be. I mean, she looks like someone who's going to win a lot of majors. Even if she's not, it's a, it's a, huge development in and of itself to have this much energy right now. Obviously, I hope that she continues to dominate, continues to captivate, because it would be a huge boost for the women's game, but it's already a huge boost for the women's game. The win gets her immediate membership on the LPJTor. She can now be on the Solheim Cup team, which it sure seems like she's going to be on the Solheim Cup team. And the craziest part is that after the tournament, there were the AJGA players who were playing, which was probably one of the reasons why it

took five hours and 45 minutes. It was horrendously slow. It was horrendously slow. I don't want to, you know, this should be about Rose, but it was horrendously slow. I had to have a second TV going. You had to have a second TV going. She was waiting on every, I mean, watching the wait on 18 was actually like, 20 minutes. She's there in the bunker. And I get there there's a ruling going on,

but they were waiting on every shot. She's sitting there waiting trying to win her first tournament for 15 minutes. It was like, it was horrendously slow. But, yeah, so after the tournament, the AJGA players were playing, and a bunch of them came over to congratulate her because they're like friends with her. They were just playing with her like a couple years ago.

She won NCAAs two weeks ago. She's a sophomore. She's 20. So, yeah, it's really, it's really cool. to see that much energy. I was locked in. I was locked in. Yeah, I'll say too. I mean, in terms of the magnitude of it, how big it is in the, in the sports world, and the golf world. Tiger Woods has one, two, three tweets since April 27th. Okay, April 27th. That's like a month and a half ago almost. Didn't tweet about Brooks Kevka winning. I think we could all figure out why.

He tweeted about his father Memorial Day. And then he tweeted the next tweet was about Roseng. and then he tweeted today about a pop stroke event. So three tweets since April 27th, and one of them he wrote yesterday, incredible few weeks for Roseang, depends her NCAA title, and then wins in her pro debut go card. Obviously, he's a Stanford guy as well,

so there's a connection there. But huge in the golf world, huge in the sports world. The game, the women's game, especially needs a star. I think it helps a lot that you've got an American star. She's from California, Stanford, the whole deal.

And with all that hype and how dominant her amateur career was, maybe the best amateur, I believe in like women's golf history, comes out, wins her first pro start. So incredible how she kept it together. There's clearly, it's amazing in golf how difficult it is to win for everyone, for anyone, no matter how well you're playing, no matter how many times you've won before. And what really separates folks,

that's why I was amazed at like Denny McCarthy didn't get it done because it felt like he was doing all the things, even when you're struggling to get it done, that she, at the Augusta National Women's Amateur, blew like a five or so shot lead or maybe even more, went into a playoff, won in the playoff. At NCAA, she didn't start off particularly well. I think she was four shots back or so going into the final round, got it done and won. Yesterday at this, her first pro tournament at Liberty National,

she bogeied the 72nd. 20 holes, no birdies. no birdies so she clearly doesn't have her best after shooting you know making a million birdies chipping in the whole deal throughout the week doesn't have her best in tough conditions she keeps it together makes a huge like 12 footer on 17 after missing a very very short birdie on 16 that would have locked things up bogey's 18 uh what all she had to do is you know get in make that par she wins she has got all the pressure and then is able to regroup goes par par par made a huge par put on the first

playoff hole and gets it done and that is just it's not not like you're playing perfect. And Brooke Kepka's that way, right? Like at Beth Page Black, I remember that. Where it's like, he was struggling, man. After not struggling all week, after it being over, it was Brooks Kepka's week. DJ makes a little bit of a charge. Brooks is kind of struggling.

And then he just gets it done, figures out a way to get it done. And she reminds me of that in a lot of ways where it's like three of these big events that we've seen her in. Two is the amateur events now here in her first pro event, even without her best stuff, even without going out and shooting like 64 in the final round. She just figures it out and get it. gets it done. That is like mixing grittiness with just also having the top tier talent. So yeah, she's, she's really, I'll just put it bluntly, she's really fucking impressive and she's 20 years old. She is one one, one Roseanne thing I want to get out there. She's got one of

my favorite stats. I think, I believe, I know it's for the women. I believe it's for the men too. She's the only golfer to have won the U.S. junior and the U.S. amateur in reverse order. she won the U.S. amateur and then won the U.S. junior after, which I think is sick. That's amazing. That's amazing. Yeah. Well, what was crazy too was the Anna Davis out there playing in the AJGA and she won the Augustin National Women's Amateur two years ago. So it's like these, right, like the ages and when they're able to accomplish stuff and is, is nuts. So that is absolutely hilarious.

I love that stat. I just love that stat. She's phenomenal. So it'll be fun to watch the whole, you know, obviously. imagine she'll make it on that Soul Hybe Cup team. And yeah, there's a star. She got it done. Incredible pressure,

incredible expectations. Bang, gets the win. So very, very, very impressive. Figure out pace of play, though, LPGA, five hours and 40 minutes.

It's just, that just we can't. Threesome. I get the juniors out there was definitely making it slower. It was huge for them. It's a big title for them. So it's not like they could just exit stage left. But boy,

with it impacted the viewing experience. Oh, yeah, big time. It was just slow as fuck. It was incredibly slow. And you're like, especially late in a tournament when they,

there's like four balls out there. That's right. They narrow the focus, you know, pretty early on a Sunday and a final round to a handful of players, but then they really narrow it. There's only a couple people on the golf course

and it took them 45 minutes to play like the last couple holes. That was insane. That was tough. I felt bad for her and then she makes the bogey and you're like, dude, if she was able to be in a rhythm, I don't know that that happens,

but she got it done. It was very, very cool and she's badass. So we'll be fun to watch going forward. Last thing, we're going to make the four of the cut bets for this week. week, RBC Canadian Open, Barcelona Sportsbook. We love the Barcelona Sportsbook.

Been hot on that bad boy ever since my Brooks Kepka bet, my biggest bet, my biggest win ever. So now I got a nice little bankroll going to the US Open, going to the Canadian Open. I saw Mr. Ice has the over in the Vegas Knights, Florida Panthers game tonight, five and a half. So I'm on that. People will know if that hit or not already.

And then I did pick the Panthers to win the series and win the Stanley Cup. I think they're plus 110. So I'm hoping that pans out as well. Shout out to the Barstall Sportsbook. We got the four-the-cut bet, which did not hit last week. Is that correct?

Unless I missed it. Yeah, you, I think you're your guy. Who did I pick? Actually, no, I think Jason Day missed the cut too. You're fine. Jason Day missed the cut too. Fuckers. All right.

We're back. We got from Trent Ryan, I believe, Tommy Fleetwood. We got Adam Hadwin, Canadian guy. So we're up in Canada from Frank Borelli, the third. Dan, who is your pick this week? My pick is Sam Bennett. We all remember Sam Bennett. Oh, yeah.

He turned professional. He made the cut at the memorial. Not a great weekend. Let's just call it what it was. Not a great weekend. He was the feel good story at the Masters. Now it's time to sink or swim, buddy. You're getting the call up to for the cut.

This is a big moment. Your second career start as a professional for the cut. San Bennett is the pick. So we're going to get some, we're going to get some odds. We're going to get some odds. I'm going. And I'm making sure he's actually in the field, which I believe that he is. I'm going with Kevin Chap.

Okay. Kevin Chappell. I think he's playing, is he playing in one of the things? He's playing U.S. Open qualifying today. I believe he's playing in, yeah, in a, I'm not sure exactly what he was playing, but I thought he was, he told me, the reason I'm picking him was because I played with him about a week ago out at Whisper Rock, and he hit it incredibly well. He was hitting it really, really good. And then he was telling me his upcoming plans were that he was going to hit a Monday stop en route to Canada. I think he was hitting maybe the Springfield stop, but I'm not 100% sure. We could clearly look it up right now. But anyways, he was going to hit US Open and then go on to the Canadian Open. And he was like fourth alternate for the Canadian Open. And he's like a bunch of people drop out after during or before US Open qualifying. And so I believe there's no, you know, there's a really good chance that I'll get in. So that's why I was trying to confirm that I got in.

I looked it up. It looks like he's in the field. So I'm going Kevin Chappell is my pick. He hit the ball incredibly well when he played like a week ago. Great guy. He went through a bunch of injury stuff. And he's, you know, working on making his way back. And yeah, you hit the ball fucking phenomenally.

And I like Chapo. He's a great guy. So I'm going Kevin Chapman. Beauty. Sam Bennett. All right. We're going to now throw it to Billy Horshal. I tease it at the beginning.

He's become a big time friend of the program. Where's his heart in his sleeve out there? Had a viral moment in the golf world last week that I think made him a bunch of fans. So we're going to catch up right now with Billy Ho.