Fore Play - Billy Horschel: “Well this should be very interesting”

Episode Date: June 9, 2022

Billy Horschel, quite aware of everything we’ve said about him, joins the show for 90 minutes (33:17). And he’s not afraid to discuss our history. We get into our past comments and where we stand, how we got here, everyone’s thoughts on the latest LIV developments, winning Jack’s tournament, winning $10M+ in the 2014 FedEx Cup, a relationship with Tiger Woods, and much, much more. There’s also quite a bit of breaking news to react to.You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

Hey, 4Play listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcast, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For Play, we're right, Barcelona Sports. Billy Horshaw. We have a huge show. We got Billy Horshaw on the show for 90 minutes. He speaks. I will tease it with he begins the interview with, well, this should be interesting.

And what is one of the more awkward first two or three minutes in the history of our interviews? And then turns into what I think people will take away. as one of the best interviews we've ever done. Billy Horshaw is great. He's very opinionated. He's very thoughtful. He asks us what we think about the live stuff. We get into winning $10 million FedEx Cup,

winning last week at the Memorial, our history with him, what people say on the internet, sharing a mental coach with a one Frankie Borelli, Dr. Brett McCabe, and a million other things. So Billy Horshaw was phenomenal boys. I don't want to do the thing where we talk about the entire interview for the whole show before the interview, but everybody can weigh in.

I believe and just say it was an excellent, excellent 90 minutes. Well, imagine the breaking news is in the 90 minutes. Like, you know it's a good interview. Like there is no surprises here. If you've seen that he was on the show for 90 minutes, imagine it was all like awkward and horrific for an hour and a half. So Billy couldn't have been better. Trent, what did you think?

I think I just cut you off. I'm sorry. No, I'm a new system here doing the podcast. And you're usually in the top left of my corner. Now you're in the bottom, and it's like behind my mic, it's really throwing me off. I'm actually not going to say anything about the Billy interview. I agree with Riggs. I think sometimes maybe we talk a little bit too much about the interviews that we do.

So you're just going to have to listen to it. He's great. 90 minutes. We're friends now with Billy. It was excellent. So people were going to love it. People were absolutely going to love it. We have to plug the live show.

We got Kevin Kisner and Kirk Minahan will be in person, and we are going to watch the Celtics game right afterwards. you can do both. It's going to be great. You can go to the tournament during the day, then you can go to the live show at the Wilbur, and then you can go watch the Celtics right afterwards. Games at 9 o'clock, game 5, phenomenal series.

There's a lot going on with that. Go get your tickets. We got links all over the place. Make sure you get tickets. First live show we've ever done. We want to look like cool people. We're going to have two phenomenal guests. Podcast Cheeses in Boston,

one of the biggest names of media in Boston, Kirkman. And then obviously one of the most, maybe the most well-like guy, ain't no hobby on the PGA tour. And in our little world that we got here, our orbit in Kevin Kisner, the pride of Aiken. So make sure that you get your tickets for that.

Breaking 90 tonight. We'll be throwing merchandise out into the crowd. I'm going to bring some stuff. I know Riggs, you're going to have some stuff. We're going to have our merch team send some shirts. I'm going to see if I can get them into the top section of the Wilbur. See how good the elbows. You got that arm strength?

You got that kind of arm strength? Yeah, we'll see. We'll see. You have to come to the Wilbur. Trent also said if we fill out the place, he's going to take his shirt off. So nipples exposed at the Wilbur. He's going to walk out. First thing, I think the first thing you see when you come to the foreplay show is Trent just rips his shirt off to a screaming crowd if that place is filled out.

So that's something to really get you into the building. We get it. The Celtics are playing. It's in Boston. We're not fucking idiots. It sucks. That sucks. But we're genuinely telling you we will not be doing the show when the Celtics start.

When that ball goes up in the air, the show will be over. Guaranteed. That's Trent's guarantee today. He guarantees he will be done with the show. Yeah, we know how important the finals are. I mean, the Celtics are in the finals. That's a big deal in Boston. But we're going to be at the Wilbur.

We're going to do our show. We're going to finish up. And then we're going to go watch the game somewhere. We'll probably decide where we're going to watch it. And we can have a bunch of people join us. And we'll all go have a merry time at whatever bar we pick. But yeah, it's going to be fun. Buy a ticket.

Yeah, if we fill it out, I will take my shirt off. I don't want to take my shirt off. I do because I want to sell it out. But I'm nervous about potentially taking my shirt off. So if we sell it out, I'll take my shirt off. What? How long does the shirt stay off? I think you do the Harry Higgs.

Yeah, maybe flash the crowd. I take it all the way off. But I can't sit there and do the show with my shirt off. That's something I won't do. And I don't want to make a license for that. The ugly looks in all of mankind. Oh, yeah. If I were shirtless right now, it'd be the worst look ever.

really think we have to get a license from like the city of boston for you to do that in a live show i mean there's way too much flesh being shown on on stage i want to say this if you're listening to this and you're like how do i buy tickets go to our twitter page we're going to pin it on the four plate twitter page we're going to pin the ticket master link because it's been way too confusing we're going to pin that and then on instagram right underneath in our bio it's going to be the ticket master link right there so all day today as you're listening to this you're listening to our beautiful voices you're about to listen to billy horse to talk for 90 minutes It's about the game of golf.

You're going to go and buy some tickets if you're in the city of Boston. If you're near Boston, we're just, dude, Kevin Kizzer is going to walk out in front of a huge live crowd and talk about golf. That's outrageous. What are we even talking about here? It's the U.S. Open Week. We've got one of the best players in the world and best personalities in all sports coming on to a live stage on a podcast. Let's go. It's one of the best guests you can get.

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Clearly a lot has occurred. First thing I mentioned, Tiger Woods withdraws from the U.S. Open. I don't think we have to really harp on it. We spoke last week or last show. This is kind of what we all predicted. Tiger sitting out the U.S. Open, he looked exhausted, you looked sore. It looked like his leg just ran out of gas at Southern Hills.

He's going to take a little bit more time. Probably knows that's his least likely chance to win is the U.S. Open. Super tight fairways, long, long, rough, hilly topography of New England. See you later. He's going to save it all for the British Open at St. Andrews. I have no issue with it. I don't think anybody does.

Uh-oh. Hello. Yeah. Keep going. I wasn't sure if I froze. He has an issue with it. Tiger Woods. We're all good.

Tiger Woods, Wood, Druffman. That's his least likely chance to win is the U.S. Open. Super tight fairways, long, long, rough, hilly topography of New England.

See you later. He's going to save it all for the British Open at St. Andrews. I have no issue with it. I don't think anybody does. Uh-oh. Hello. Yeah.

Keep going. I wasn't sure if I froze. He has an issue with it. Tiger Woods. We're all good. Tiger Woods would Drew for the ESO. But fine. We all kind of predicted that.

Yeah, it was writing on the wall. Tiger Woods' leg is just, you know, he wants to get better for, you know, the open. And we said this months ago that he was just going to live in St. Andrews and he's going to be one with the town. He's going to be in Scotland, just adapting to the weather, adapting to the atmosphere. of the Open Championship and he's going to absolutely dominate it. I want to say that and I also want to say that I cut you off before. Breaking 90 is out tonight.

So the first attempt. I know you tried to get that in before. Breaking 90 first attempt, C-Wain Country Club, the south shore of Long Island. Trey Daddy gets there. Tred steps up to the T with one goal and that goal is to break 90. It would be an 80s man. And does he do it? You'll have to tune in tonight on YouTube at 8 p.m.

I like that. I like that teaser. Yep. Tiger Woods take all the time you need, get healthy, come out, win the open championship at the old course at San Andrews for the third time. He's won by eight shots there and he's won by five shots there. So he likes that place that. He said it's his favorite golf course of the world. We'll fucking see you across the pond, Tigray, really rest, recover, do your whole thing.

Have fun with the family. Say hi to Charlie for us. And we'll see you over on the other side of the pond. Okay. Phil Mickelson, probably the biggest one. One of the biggest names in golf, the second biggest name in golf over the last 20 or 30 years. Top 10 player of all time, six major championships. I think he's got 45 maybe PGA Tour wins at this point, made a ton of money,

colorful character. We had a whole thing with Alan Shipnuck about the book and Phil, and then he just reemerges, announces his whole little statement about how he's playing the live golf. He's not going to play the PGA tour. He will try to play just the major championships that he spent all this time with Amy. He's done hundreds of hours of therapy to help with his gambling addiction. He called that reckless and an embarrassment. in a little interview with, I believe Bob Eric posted on Sports Illustrator that I saw.

But Phil, I mean, he just, I will say he went from nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing to just a pretty heavy reemergence. He's in the leather fucking jacket. Like he's got a Harley taking weird pictures with the eyeballs coming out of his sockets. He's got facial hair, which he's never had before. And he's just all in on the live golf tour now. He just kind of bombastically reemerged into the world. and I'm kind of here for it. I mean, I know there's a lot of takes.

I'm kind of here for Phil. He went full heel and he looks a little ridiculous. His face is a completely different color down here than it is up here. And he's just, yeah, he looks like he's been hiding for four months. Pretty much what he looks like. Under a rock with like no razor, no nothing has not. And also like his skin complexion looks a little pale. Like it doesn't look like it's been a healthy, like relaxing.

I'm on the back porch, like talking with my wife and like a therapist mom, where you're getting somewhere. It literally looks like he was in a basement. And now he's just like, you know what, we're doing this thing. We're going to live door. There could be fireworks. And I look horrendous. And I don't think that could be any more evident. His picture with Greg Norman, I mean, I was, I was like, oh, boy, we've got an issue. These boys are, I don't know if Phil's got like a leadership position, but it looks like it's tomato and they're going to be a completely. A. complete man. I mean,

he reflects or he looks like what he's been through these past few months. Yeah. If you're, if you, like it would have been weird or if he'd come out and he looked like,

like he looked happier. No. Just like super healthy. What? He could have looked decent. Like, I understand it's been a tough month. He didn't have to look like he was taking.

Yeah, but Trent's saying it would have looked, it wouldn't have fit this scenario. The way that he looks fits the scenario perfectly. I think it's, I genuinely think it's calculated. I do. I really do. I think if,

if he came out looking like, like, oh yeah, no, it hasn't worn on me at all that I've been completely banished from the sport and the spotlight that I love. Like it would have been like, he looks like a guy who's been through it.

And it's just like, people are talking about it like, oh, this is a guy who's fucking, he's got facial hair now. He looks like he's aged over these, over this time. He's just,

looks like he's he looks how he's supposed to look after what he's gone through it looks like hell he just came out of hell is basically what you're saying 100% on purpose by via check from yeah calculated can jack oh now we're all we're all forgetting that i like it no i like it in the world i actually think it makes a lot of sense i'm i'm i'm after reading the book i'm actually more inclined to believe that i didn't even consider that i just thought he couldn't help it i think that what you just said i would be shocked like there's no way phil michelson and looked himself in the mirror and didn't realize that he looked like that and was probably like when you're going to a court case, you're going to face a jury of your peers, you want to like

dress a certain way. You don't want to come off like some rich flashy guy. A lot of times you want to look like you're a little bit more blue collar if it's a blue collar jury so that you won't get, it's similar where Phil's like probably to your point. Calculated like, I don't want to come out like everything's been great and roses. Like I want people to believe from my physical appearance that this has been really hard on me. This wasn't a bonding or a poor strategy. Is that like he's trying to like blend in with a cracker stuff? I love it.

I mean, he looks horrible. This dude just got paid $200 million. He didn't have to show up looking like shit. There's a reason he looked like shit. He didn't try and look like shit. I actually disagree with Trent on this one. But he wore a leather jacket, grew out his beard, thinks he looks good. Guys don't go through probably a midlife crisis when it comes to his looks.

He definitely tried to look good. I don't know. That's a weird. I don't think he, like, calculated to look like somewhat weird and have his eyes bulge out of his head. That would be insane. His eyes are fucking outrageous. I've never seen a picture like that. I just think Phil Mickelson can't take photos.

I've looked back at other photos, and Phil just looks really weird in a lot of photos he's ever taken. Even, like, PGA tour head shots. His eyes are bulging out of his head. So Phil is just like a weird looking dude. He always has been. I thought that this actually went better for Phil than, like, I would have thought. I thought that him waiting until this was a huge mistake because it would have been like, oh, the horror. But I think because so many names joined and the draft was so preposterous, it's almost like him coming back when Tiger returned.

It was like Phil is just a part of the chaos now. Like he wasn't the only story. So I actually thought it was okay for him. Like now Phil is just a part of live and it's just a thing that exists now. Well, to be clear, the only reason I thought at least that it was going to be a shit show when he came back, because it was going to be on the PJ tour and they were going to be allowed to ask real questions to the people up on the podium. Like when you come back to live, it's a, or when you show up and it's the first one is live, you're in a pretty protected area as, you know, some of the reports coming out

yesterday. So him coming back at live, yeah, it wasn't as like crazy because he didn't get asked, like the crazy questions that he would have gotten asked if he had shown up at Augusta. Yeah. And the whole thing is. been it's been interesting in that the actual product of the lived tour seems more legitimate than I expected it to, but the actual PR aspect of it has been far worse than I could have even imagined. I mean, they have Ari Fleischer out there who is like kicking journalists out and like shutting down press conferences when they asked up questions. And then, you know, these, these guys, to their credit, like they're not trained to answer these questions on Saudi Arabia.

and horrific human rights like atrocities and humanity crisis. Like they're not clearly. So they're all kind of answering it. It seems like off the on the fly, which is, which is I guess what you would get. But that juxtapositioned with defecting from the PGA tour essentially. And the tour not really saying anything yet, but people kind of going and taking the first step and essentially retiring and saying that I'm going to I'm going to resign. from the PGA tour is putting them in kind of a pickle and all that going on with the tour and then these pictures coming out from the draft and the teams and the logos,

which are so bad that they're logos are so bad that the team names are worse. The team names and logo combinations are so horrific that I love it. It's almost like, it's almost like I'm watching, why can't think of the name? what's the fucking movie what's the Ben Stiller Dodgeball not Dodgeball but Dodgeball is amazing The the Where they're models and their looks

What's the parents? Zoolander. Zoolander. It's almost like Zoolander Where it's like I'm literally watching something That is such a caricature of something that could be real That it's that it's a laughing stock and it can't be real And yet it's real It's actually what they're doing

and they're taking it seriously. They're like calculating. They had Graham McDowell there, like calculating with an iPad. Like he's in a war room who he's going to draft. And that's just, that's all fucking such a joke that watching it in real life is incredible. I'm like, it's like hunger games almost. You're just like, what is wrong with these people that it's, that you're watching this? And they're taking it seriously.

You can't believe that they're taking it seriously that I kind of love it. I kind of think it's amazing. Well, I think it's kind of stunning how I kind of said, All my ideas for what I thought would be pretty cool for the PGA tour to do when it comes to team golf. And the next day, Liv just did every single one of them. Now, now seeing Liv do it, it wasn't a hit. So I'm glad the PGA tour didn't take that risk. I will say that not having sponsored teams is a huge miss.

I'm assuming all the biggest companies in the world when it comes to the public eye, aren't going to throw their names on this Live golf tour. I'm sure they're struggling when it comes to like big companies and corporations throwing their names on teams. But had the PGA tour done this, you'd be able to get your like team tailor made and team Callaway and team Peter Malar and team. That's where the logos start to get legit. Like if you get to wear the Peter Malar crown and you're on team Peter Malar, all right,

now you got something. All these logos were like backyard baseball, which is honestly disrespectful to backyard baseball who came out with outrageously good names and logos back in the day. but it just felt very childish and like cliparty and like the the four aces led by dustin johnson like the aces like what are you talking about yeah i get it and then on their website it describes why it's called the aces it says our greatest golf shot in the game of golf it's like come on dude this is so childish so i think they did with what they had i i actually kind of like the ideas like i thought the fucking draft ideas cool obviously i said that i thought the p j tors to do that the day

before so I can't go back on my word and say it was fucking stupid because that was my idea. Like I just thought it would be a good idea. Everything was weird though. It was just like it was almost like it wasn't ready. Like the logos didn't seem ready. The names were fucking horrific. Like the lights were weird. Like the guys were taking it a little too seriously.

It looked like a club scene. Things were just off. I thought the idea was there. And the execution was pissed poor. I don't disagree. Yeah. I mean, look, when you when you, when you, try to change and you try to do something in golf that's completely different from the way it's

been done forever, it's going to come off as weird and there's going to be mistakes. And then when you have the backdrop of the extreme controversy, and then you also have a tidal wave of golf media and talking heads who are against it, every move that they make is going to get shit on. And it did. I agree with you that like, I think it could be in the future something kind of cool that is supplemental to the PGA tour. That is like another realm of. professional golf that guys get to do that can coexist with the PGA tour because currently the only entity that is making it not allowable for this to exist while everything else in professional golf already exists is the PGA tour who has said that like we're not going to you know allow people

and permit people to do this so if this can exist and it can be more refined and and improve upon its first iteration and for eight or ten events. a year and you have a select, you know, big names and golf that play in it. And it's a shotgun start and it's kind of a circus. And then you also have the prestige and what we're used to on the PGA tour, which we get into with Bill O'Rshaw a lot. I think that that actually can be better for fans. But if you have to have one or the other, I mean, this is a kindergarten class compared to

the PGA tour, which is some AP college course. You know, it's like that's just, it was childish. It wasn't ready. It wasn't fully vetted. They kind of just got it done. And the pictures were weird and the videos were weird. And like that shot of Greg Norman looking like he was some kind of dictator or about to like the whole thing was a little bit weird, obviously. But I think if they could coexist, this could get to a point in two years, three years, four years, whatever, where these things, this is an additional thing to professional golf that's unique.

It kind of hits on a lot of the things that we've wished were. in pro golf and that could be overall a good thing. I don't know that that has a massive chance of success in the happening, but I now think that it's a realistic possibility where I did not beforehand. Yeah, I think they're going to have to burn it to that level. Like, this thing is going to cost. They already are. I know, but like continually for like four years where they're going to have to uphold this and

like keep going back to the well for money. Because right now it's just not even close in terms of it. And I kind of agree with some of your analogies. But then it got me thinking like F1 and how it started. Like Williams, for example, famous F1 name. Frankie, maybe you feel like the biggest F1. Like that's not a company. That's just a family name, right?

So it's like maybe it started that way in F1 of just like natural names. I honestly have no idea before they got corporations to back it because it would be way better if it was, you know, the Mercedes versus Red Bull kind of thing in the game of golf. because right now the logos suck. The marketing on that side is like really poor. Well, that's funny you say that because I was thinking about their names and how shitty they were. And then I thought to myself about professional sports as they are right now.

And if you just think about their names in a vacuum and like their logos and stuff, like obviously there's an all-time stuff. But I don't know, just like the first time, like if we just came out with the MLB and we were like, all right, like the red socks. versus the Blue Jays. And everyone would just be like, okay, these are like, what, your kindergarten daughter come up with these names? Like, I don't, like, what are you talking about?

Like, the white socks. And it's like, okay, like, what's next? The blue sock? I don't, like, it's just, everything's kind of cheesy and childish. But then, like, there's so much history to them. And, like, it's just, it's ingrained in our culture and our life. So I'm not saying, like, the four aces will eventually be the Yankees. But at some point, it's all just, like, kind of,

like weird like yeah i would say some of the best logos though are like simple these logos were like well they're horrible they were word art you know i mean so if you're gonna be like the cracking aces like i don't know make it just like simple and a couple aes on it because you don't have anything like don't go to microsoft word and go to like word art and like type it in and then just pull that down dude i think the aases one was like or one of them was a golf ball like screaming like It was like the screaming bullets or something. They have to wear those shirts. I think people are pulling out of the live tour.

I mean, some of it is the worst gear in the world. But dude, if this wasn't Saudi back, and we talked to this a million times of it, if it wasn't what it is, this would be the greatest idea in golf because our guys would be playing in the PJ tour and then they'd also go and play in the season long eight event thing where they were part of a team.

We'd be going fucking bun atins at what guys got drafted for which teams. if Max Homo was playing against Kevin Kisner, Max Homo was drafted to the Aces, and Kisner was drafted to the birdies, and we're like, holy shit, next week's a fucking golf event, whatever the name would be. Right.

Hopefully, like, Ville, the Ville golf event, and we'd be like, holy shit, like it's season time, team time, the next two months, we're going crazy for team golf. It'd be amazing. It just has to be the fucking guys are killing journalists. It's just like the PGA Global Tour, honestly. Like, if it was just like the PGA global tour,

and they cut down the events to 35, so they had an extra 12 events that they could just bacon the calendar. I mean, I wouldn't be shocked if the PGA tour just starts and said like that is the offseason tournaments go down. Steal it. Yeah. Steal the idea. It's out there. People know. Just take it. The problem is I don't think this money is going away. Therefore, I don't think Liv Golf's going to go away. I think they're going to have to kind of partner with them. And we again, we get into this with Billy. So I kind of want it all to be able to breathe there. But, you know, the, the, the, in Lurch, you kind of made this point very clear is that the one of the

great issues too with the live golf tour is that there is no viable business plan none you cannot just throw already 500 million dollars at a handful of players and that's not that's a handful out of their 48 you cannot throw two billion dollars is what the numbers but they're not at something that's going to has no tv deal it's going to basically have no fans there it's not going to in any way to be able to justify the numbers that they're throwing out. So if you are starting something that they already know is not a viable business plan, that is inherently a problem. That is inherently something that is coming with bad intentions behind it. If it's not something that is in any way built with a goal of making money or even close to breaking even, there's bad actors in that and that's

going to end poorly and is being driven for poor, bad reasons, which have been brought out many times. that's a huge issue that's going on. That's why these numbers are so crazy. It's just not sustainable, not in any way. So seeing where it goes, we'll be fascinating. Seeing it as a real life thing is interesting. I have been obsessed with clicking on the pictures and the videos that I could see. There was a very like dystopian video of Phil at the pro am with like the Saudi private investment fund guy and like a couple.

And they're like, couldn't believe he was playing with that. taking a picture and it was so scary. It was it was legit scary watching the video. I felt so uncomfortable. This one like English dude's like, can you guys move like you're in our way? And the way he said it was like, if those reporters don't move someone,

there's bloodshed. Like it was like talk about having good golf course etiquette. If you don't have good golf course etiquette on live golf, you better watch your fucking back. It was like those guys are coming for it. Bad. It was a bad video and that. But it was hebie-jeebies that I had to watch.

I was like, I can't believe this is a real. That's Phil fucking Mickelson, the thumbs up guy. Just won the PGA last year. Like, there he is out there with these guys with like the bad guys. And it was, it was, it was so weird to watch. It's got, I'm going to tune in when I can to some of this stuff over the weekend because I just need to see what it looks like. And yet I get it.

I get people going over there for a ton of money. So it's kind of cool that they're doing new stuff. And like, like you said, if it were somebody else, if it was the, if it was the barstool new world golf toy, and we were drafting people. We had Phil Mickelson up there with an iPad trying to decide who to welcome to his new team. Like, we'd be gung-ho for it, over the moon.

So there's so many moving pieces. I thought Justin Thomas will put that audio in now. Look, like people are entitled to choose as they wish. You know, it's like I don't dislike DJ now. I don't think he's a bad dude. I don't, I'm not going to treat him any differently. It's like he's entitled to choose as he wish. And I think that the day and age that we live in now,

it's just so negative that, I mean, you see it in everything, you know, sport, politics, whatever it is. It's like if you disagree with someone, you just feel that you're entitled to, like, hate them and talk bad about them and just bash their decision when everybody's entitled to their own opinion. You know what I mean? It doesn't, it doesn't, like I said, doesn't make him a bad person. Now, I'm disappointed, and I wish that he and others wouldn't have done it, but that's their decision, you know? I've said it all along. It's like, guys can do as they wish. If they want to go, they can. can go. If they want to stay, they can stay. Selfishly, I think, and I know that the PGA tour is the best place to play in the world. And, you know, it's just the decision is theirs. And it is what it is, but I just, I wish that it would take away, or I wish it wouldn't be

taking away from the great storylines and things that are going on on a tour that's been around for a very long time and is in one of the best places it's ever been. And, you know, it's just a bummer that those guys won't be a part of it. Justin Thomas had, in my opinion, one of the best takes was just like, yeah, I don't agree with it. But am I going to hate DJ now? No. And he said, you know, we're so inclined to feel entitled to have hate for people that we disagree with now, when in reality, we're all entitled to have different opinions and make different decisions. And that's not going to affect my relationship with other people. So it is what it is, even if I don't agree with them going over. So his take was phenomenal. That's going viral.

The United States Golf Association came out predictably and said they're not going to block people from playing in this year's U.S. Open. They use the reasoning of these rules and parameters were set. We are a true open, meaning anybody who qualifies as the parameters that we set is eligible to play in our championship. Those have been set for a while. We're not going to change them after the fact. So anyone who was qualified and eligible to play is still going to be able to be able to play. is still going to be able to play, that's not going to change. So I imagine the RNA will do the same thing,

which means the next two major championships aren't going to be affected, which again, I think we all pretty much expected. If anybody does not have anything else, I'm ready for, you know, interview that I think people have been waiting for a very long time for. Yeah. I got nothing else. We did talk a lot about the whole thing with Billy.

So we'll cover it more in depth if that's what people want. We talk about it a lot with Billy, which obviously has an interesting perspective on it because he's on the PJ tour. So people will like that. And he's on the, he's on like the players board. Is it like what? Yeah, he's on that with with Kevin Kisner. He's on there.

So they are, you know, a select group of people, I believe voted by their peers who essentially represent the players on the PGA tour in talks for the PGA tour about all any and all issues that come up. Which is pretty crazy that like, you know, we're able to kind of talk with the guy who's in those meetings about what. what his temperature on this whole thing is. I know he's been pretty public about his opinion on everything. So it's not like he's breaking any news on this show.

But it was pretty cool to hear him kind of break down his thoughts when you know that like he's giving it right to the PGA tour. Yeah, he is on the player advisory council, also known as the PAC for 2022. That is Patrick Cantley, Paul Casey, Austin Cook, Joel Damon, Harry Higgs, Billy Horsrell, Russell Knox, Brooks Kebkeke, Justin Lauer, Peter Mulnati, Graham McDowell, Mav McNeely, Trey Molynex,

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Here is Billy Horshaw for 90 minutes. Hit it hard. Hit it hard. All right, boys and girls, ladies and gentlemen. We're joined by the most recent winner on the PGA tour, seven-time winner. Just won a big one. Jack's Place, the Memorial. He won the 2014.

FedEx Cup, which I want to talk about how all that goes. We've heard about Wad Wednesday from Kiz, so I want to talk a lot about that. But Billy Horshaw joins the show for the first time. Congrats on the win and welcome to the show, Billy. Thanks, guys. Thanks for having me on. This is going to be very interesting. I was going to say.

Well, why do you say that, Billy? I think there's some comments you guys have said in the past that I would say that are probably aren't correct about me. so but hey everyone has their own opinion so i'm not here to change anyone's opinion i'll give you a different perspective of me than what you guys have of me now and then if you guys still have the same feelings so be it that's all good answer i think that's fair i think it's super fair i would say i would say we probably owe billy horse an apology i on this show we very we very frequently blur the lines between trying to make people laugh and trying to give our opinions out there.

We probably don't realize how much it can affect people. So I would say we probably owe you an apology. I'll apologize for some of the things I've said about you. I don't need an apology, but if that's what you guys want to do, all good. Here's what I'll say. And then I'll let, I know Frankie probably wants to go because I'm sure he said some things too. But I was thinking about this because we obviously knew we were going to have you on.

And we've definitely said some things that are, you know, we've just seen clips of you on the golf course and then we've reacted on this podcast. It's kind of, that's kind of our MO. And the way that I would thought, I had thought about it. On the last show, we talked a lot about where the PJ tour is headed. Obviously, this is an interesting time for the game of golf and where it's going to be headed. And a big part of what we had talked about was basically we want golf to somehow get into

the team sport aspect of everything because we're team sport guys, big hockey guys, football, basketball, the whole thing. And with those other sports, something that golf doesn't have is someone you root against. You're looking, you're rooting against the other team. Frankie hates the Rangers. You know, Lurch hates the Islanders. And it goes that way.

With golf, there isn't that. And what we've tried to do on this show, I think, is kind of try to take the team sport aspect of other sports and bring it to golf where, because for the most part, you root for every single golfer. We talk about that a lot on this show where when a guy wins, when you win or when whoever wins each week, when Sam Burns wins, we're like, yay, That's great. That's fantastic. And there's really, there isn't that team sport thing where you're like, I don't want that person to win or I'm rooting against that person. So then we get to you and we've just seen clips in context, out of context, whatever on the golf course, where you're going crazy. And as golf fans who wanted to be more, you know, where you root for somebody and root against somebody, we just pick things that, you know, somebody who's polarizing, whether it be you or whoever else. And we root against that person based on those couple. of clips because we wanted to be more like our guy versus that guy that would be my explanation

and i i appreciate that and i i would agree you know uh listen i've made my i made an idiot myself on the golf course over my 13 years on the pj two i've done some idiotic things and made myself look silly but uh you know the thing i've tried to at least and i said it maybe a month ago at zirica two months i don't really care if someone likes me or doesn't doesn't like me or doesn't like what I do in the golf course. The only thing I will say to that is that you're seeing me in a very competitive atmosphere in a very vulnerable state, trying to play the best golf I can, trying to win tournaments. You know, when things aren't going well, you know, everyone's different.

My fire burns a lot hotter and a lot faster than everyone else. And, you know, people react differently. So, you know, if that's not what, you know, you want to see or that's not, you know, something you're attracted to or like, then that's fine. Like, it's cool. It's cool. But to judge, like, I've always said, like, if you judge me by who, by what you see on TV or what you see on the golf course and expect that to be my character and expect me

to come off that way, you know, when I'm off the golf course. And then that's where I think people get me wrong because off the golf course in a regular setting, you know, I'm a, you know, I think I'm a good guy. I like to have a good time. I mean, I was born and raised around, you know, I've said it many times and whether people have heard not, blue-collared, middle class, low middle class. One of my parents have a job multiple times growing up. I mean, my dad played rugby for 30 years. Those rugby guys know how I have fun time.

And so, you know, I'm just a ultra-competitive guy when it comes to winning and losing. And so, like I said, I don't fault anyone for judging, you know, having an opinion of me from what they see in the golf course. Yeah, no, I think I'll go, you know, I have a kind of a crazy history with you because I just call it straight from the hip. I shoot from the hip. That's just how I am. And I never knew what that really meant. And I didn't know like how high powered I was until like in my brain I meant how fucking my mental state was always going so fast. Until I met Dr. Brett McCabe, who has now been my guy for this new series called Fixing Frankie where I went down to Georgia.

and with Alabama, and I met with him, we sat down, we went on the golf course, we talked about a lot of things, and he really almost in some way compared my mental state on the golf course sort of to you, which was really stunning, where he's like, dude, you just want to win and you're so go, go, go.

And when it doesn't go your way, you have to figure out why it's not happening and you're, like, more emotional than the other person and you can see it on your face. And I think to myself, like, I'm a baseball player my whole life, like growing up. And I was so used to, So like if you fly out to the third baseman with bases loaded, you take your bat and you throw it towards the dugout.

And everyone's like, oh yeah, that's just normal. Like he's just angry. But in golf, when someone does the slightest even similarity to that, it's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, like that's fucking crazy. That guy should not be doing that. You should be like, kind of buttoned up and never let's all like be country club here. So I've really struggled with that. I think a lot of times I like, I'm very self-deprecating and the fact that we are similar in that aspect. Like I think because I make fun of myself, I call myself a psychopath and a lunatic.

Like when I see someone doing things the same way, I'm like, I feel comfortable being like, yeah, fucking Billy Orson is a lunatic out there. Like guys toss and golf. You know what I mean? Like, because I know I do the same thing. So it's kind of like I feel like we are. We're cut from the same cloth when it comes to like we just wear our emotions on our sleeve. And I've come around on the fact that like that like that's a really cool thing to have in this game. I've talked to Brett a lot about it.

I'm like, why can't I just like, why can't I adapt what other guys have where they're just able to just like take it? go. And he's like, because that's not who you are. That's not how you tick. Like, let's find the game for Frankie Borrelli and his brain. And let's just do that. And it's really helped me, like, see that like all these guys, I used to make fun of Jordan Spieth about the way he would like go through his process until I met Brett. I'd be like, this guy's fucking like, he's talking to himself and he's yelling at himself. He's slapping his hand. Like, how does anyone think this guy's a normal human being? And then all of a sudden you realize, he's not. He's still not. I guess once you actually put some thought into it and like you actually try and do it yourself, you realize,

that that's just your way of like trying to achieve a really, really hard task. And everyone has like a million different ways of doing it. And I genuinely, genuinely, never really saw that side until I tried to do it myself. So I guess that is an apology. I mean, it's not really an apology because I think it's just a learning experience. But yeah, I mean, I've heard the best things about you ever and we'll get to that. Like I said, I didn't come on this to get apologies or anything. You know, obviously, if you guys know me, I like a little band.

they're back and forth and I'm going to bust you guys' chops or things you guys said about me and you guys can bust my chops and things I've done. That's who I am. That's what I love. That's the way I've always been. And, you know, I played baseball for 13 years and it was great. I love being that emotional guy. I mean, you know, I said it on the Pat McAfee show today.

I had a no hitter going, you know, when I was playing junior ball and we were in, I don't know, the sixth inning and left field would drop the easy pop fly. And I ripped him a new one in the dugout like, and I made him crying. And then I felt bad because, you know, he was crying. but I was like, you just lost my no-hitter. Like, what are you doing? Like, come on, that's an easy catch. Like, I mean, you know, it's just the way I've always been.

And it's funny because, like, my dad and my parents aren't that way at all. My dad's more reserved. Maybe my mom's a little bit more, you know, a quicker emotional person. But, you know, my dad's more reserved. And so it's funny how, you know, when you meet my parents, you know, it doesn't come across right. Like, maybe I was adopted or something. Yeah. Yeah, because I even said to Brett, I'm like, do you like, when you see Billy get out there and get frustrated with himself, I'm like, do you ever like want to talk to him and be like, that's not what you're supposed to do? He goes, no, I fucking love it. He loves it. He tells all the time, don't change. Don't change. You do you. Don't worry. He's like, Billy's being Billy. And why would you want Billy not to be Billy? He's the 10th right golfer on the planet. Billy's doing something right. So at the end of the day, it really did. It's like, one plus one equals two, man. You get angry. The guy plays well. It's just like, that's how you go. It is. It is. And, you know, sometimes I wish it wasn't that way because I do make myself look like an idiot. But as I've always said on the PJ tour, I'm not a robot. I never love watching golf when guys are robots. Like I love watching Tiger because you always, you know, the fist pumping and everything. But when he was pissed, he was tossing clubs at the bag and drop F bombs. And I thought it was the greatest thing in the world. And, I mean, quick little story. I get my car through Q School 2009 right off to college.

After you do Q school, you usually have like a day or two of like going through this rookie orientation with a PGA tour. And Andy Pazner at the time, they each talk about certain things. And Andy's talking about, hey, we want you guys to be authentic. We want you to be your own. You know, we don't want robots. We want you guys to really, you know, we realize that's how you connect to the fans being authentic and showing your emotions and everything. And so first events like four weeks later in Sony. And I'm right on the cut line.

I'm on the 15th hole doggoly left short part four. And I hit this three on a hook at hard left. And it's almost OB. I'm like, God darn it, Billy. And I was walking back. And I sort of took my club and took a swipe at the T marker. And a T marker exploded. And busted.

And I was like, oh, my God. So next week I get to Palm Springs. And my manager's assistant says, hey, Andy Pazzo, he needs to talk to you. And Andy's like, hey, Billy, we heard you broke two T markers. And I'm like, no, I only broke one. I didn't break the other one. You said. I only broke one, I promise you. And I'm, you know, he's going on. And I explained to him what happened. I said, listen, I wasn't trying to break the T-marker. The T-marker looked metal. It was silver. It was shiny. It looked like a metal T-marker. I thought it was going to ding, but it just exploded. And he's like, yeah, well, you know, blah, blah. And then I remember in my head real quickly, I said, Andy, I thought you just told us, like, three weeks ago you wanted us to be, like, authentic and not be robots and, like, show emotion. And he pretty much was like, uh, You got me there.

I'll let you off this time. So, yeah. I've been that way since day one on the PJ tour, and I'll be that way since in my tour career. And it's, you know, I guess I was thinking about it a ton too. I've been thinking about a lot, like ever since, really the Phoenix Open, we chatted a little bit. And like Trent said, we know we're going to have you on the show.

And it's when we started this thing in 2017, you probably were a little bit of like a victim in our case of we were trying to find. I know what you guys said. Yeah, we're trying to. like we're trying to find things that become like our things right like guys that fucking were and people and all of a sudden we're tweet like oh yeah fuck billy horschle and then all a sudden people are like oh yeah that's like one of our things we're not billy horschall guys and we're kind of leaning it then you realize when you see people and you meet them and i'll never forget

when you walked after the 16th old over 17 t at phoenix open you kind of busts my balls a little bit because you're with kids and everybody's yelling ain't no hobby and you're kind of like you're gonna get any of that stuff on sale yet or what rigs and i'm like fuck this guy just like He's busted my balls. He gets it. And you start to feel like shit a little bit. And like, yeah, it's just a normal person that you basically use to shit on to gather our following, never thinking that you're like, that's a PJ tour player makes millions of dollars. He's fine.

Who cares? And in reality, that's just not the case. And we're now at a point when you talk to folks like you. So I guess like the leading with an apology I think is very, very warranted because of that. I think it's cool that you've always been cordial with us. when we've been in events that you chatted us up at times when you could. And so now having you on and talking and it's almost cool in a way where it's like you were aware of all that stuff because it makes us kind of face the music a little bit, which we don't get to do very off. A lot of times we can just get to stand on top of the hill and just fire fucking shots and cannons of people.

And it never really matters. And I think it's probably good for us to be able to face the music. And it is, you know, if Tom Brady goes nuts on the on the sideline throwing iPads at people, everyone's like, that's the goat. He's fired up. Let's go. And same thing with Tiger. if tigers throwing clubs, everybody's like, yeah, he's the best. That's why he wins.

And it's pretty unfair if you're doing it or you do it occasionally that you get sure. I mean, I'd do it. I would look like the biggest idiot in the world. I do it. I'm trying to break like 80s and I'm doing it. You're trying to win like $10 million prizes. So, um, so anyways, it's, listen, I'll give you guys credit.

At least you guys show your faces around tournaments. I mean, I've said this before on social media. Brando Sham Lee never comes down and walks the range at all after all. You know, shit and he does on a regular basis. You know, I've had my, you know, two bits with him before. And, you know, I get along great with Brando, but, you know, he, you know, he sits up in that studio and says what he says. And, you know, he looks on it based on a camera or video, but never comes down and talks to players. And there was an instance a couple years ago at Bay Hill, probably three or four years ago.

He walked out after like a late round on Friday, he'd off late Friday. It was me and Padre Kate and Balls. And I think, like, earlier that maybe a couple months ago, I called him, like, you know, like a ghost. Like he just never is on the range. He never comes down and talks to players and everything. And then he comes down and he says, like, who's a ghost now, motherfucker? And I said, yeah, look how many people on the range. It's me and Padraig.

You know, you're big man now that come out on the range and walk the range when no one's on it. And I said, you know, you've moved on from being a ghost. You're like Bigfoot. You're like, you're seen, but we're not sure if you're actually real or not. So the thing you don't hear when we're at tournaments is that like when we'll see you, we'll be like, all right, there's Billy. Like hopefully he doesn't punch Frankie in the face here. Like let's just, let's try and keep it moving.

But yeah, we're brave. We're super brave for showing up the tournaments. One of the things that hurts you, but also is a really good thing for you is that you look like Christian Bale and American Psycho. So for me, I mean, it's just way too much of a comparison. You look just fucking like them. It's scary. So that's something I've said in the past.

And the other thing I'll say is I want you to know that we've done. got in our share of people shitting on us on the internet. So we're all in the same boat. I mean, people tell me to kill myself every single day. So I mean, because I can't, because I can't fuck it because I can't chip a golf ball. So I mean, we know what it's like to get things throwing at us. And you know, you just kind of move on with the flow. So we get it. You just kind of, you just do you. You just do you. I mean, you think people love us in every single walk in life. No chance. They want to take us down every step we get. So it's like, everyone's shooting shots and we're all moving. We're all just, what is it rising tides, raises all ships.

That's what we're doing with Billy right now. We're just moving up. So it's obviously been a few days since you won the Memorial. There's a lot of chatter in golf right now about prestige, legacy versus just money. Something like the Memorial tournament. I mean, you've won this is your seventh win before. But for you growing up, being a golf nut, dreaming about winning golf tournaments, what does it really mean outside of the $2.16 million to win a tournament like, you know,

Jack's tournament? at the memorial. Yeah, I mean, I think for me, you know, I've been fortunate to have a really good career, both financially and successfully successfully on the golf course with wins and everything. You know, now it's to the point where, you know, you want to be remembered in the game of golf and you have to win the right events to be remembered. And I've been fortunate enough, you know, to win the FedEx Cup. And then, you know, I won a match play.

I won the BMW PGA championship open Wentworth last year in the ad jacks. You know, I'm winning some really prestigious events that people remember the winners of. And, you know, the thing that's left off that, you know, that CV list is a major or hopefully multiple majors. And hopefully I can can accomplish that here before my time's done. But, you know, for me, I've really never played for the money. obviously I'm very aware of, you know, I live my life. And if I don't, if I don't make money, I don't have a great lifestyle. And, you know, but I've been fortunate enough to do very well.

But it's about the competition. It's about winning. It's about people remembering who you are. And, you know, do people know who the number seven guy is on the career money list? No, I don't think so. I don't know who that is. But they remember who got the, like, they remember who's won seven majors or who's the seventh most, you know, all-time major winning. player. You know, they remember people who've won tournaments. And, you know, DJ's already

a Hall of Famer, 24 wins, two majors, JT's a Hall of Famer. Roy McRoy is going to be a Hall of Famer. You know, to be, have a chance to maybe be considered a Hall of Famer one day would be, you know, is what I play this game for now. And, you know, in the money, like I said, I've fortunate enough to win a lot of money on the golf course, fortunate enough to make a lot of money off the golf course. So the money aspect isn't, you know, know, as relevant as much anymore as just winning the right events. So, you know, honestly, so people can remember my name. That's all I really care about.

Is in terms of, it's very clear, you know, how much sort of legacy, prestige matters to you, which I think makes sense. And I would assume that a lot of guys that you're loving, I think, 11th in the world right now, that's probably pretty similar. We've heard Rory say it a lot that, like, he's at a point where it's not about money. It's about trying to win tournaments. For you, is there a difference in PGA tour events, the memorial versus another event, or is it sort of all PGA tour events and then majors?

You know, I'll just break it down. It's a four majors. It's the players championship, BMW PGA championship over in Wentworth. You got the WC's. Obviously, there's only two of them now. And then you look at like the events. You look at like winning the Genesis now, any event that Tiger's name is on. you're winning Arnold Palmer's event.

You're winning Jack Nichols. Those are those two events. And then I think, you know, this is not nothing against any other PJ tour event. But the legacy of winning, you know, the John Deere isn't as much as winning like Memorial or Arnold Palmer. This guy's dialed in. John Deere is a great event and it's a great sponsor. But I mean, you're fucking dead. You know.

I just don't think I mean And it's like I said It's it's just the way I look at it It's the way I look at it I mean all adds up if you win Pigeon tournaments All those tournaments add up

But the ones that are going to be remembered Are the ones that were the really Procedious ones and the legacy ones at first And then they add up the rest of them To get the 50 So something about that green we get I don't know if I apologize During my rambling

But I want to take it back if I did That apology is no longer valid and it's it's void. Did they tell you to say that, that part about the John your classic? No, it's just how he feels dude. No, bottom of the list. The dude's talking from the heart. That's tough to hear. That's tough to hear.

Coming right from the heart. Listen, we have 47 events on the PJ tour. It's tough to make every 47 events great. Also, one of them's going to be last. The PJ tour does a great job of supporting all these events and making them special. But the end of the day, there's 47 and not every 47th.

event's great and or it's going to be the legacy of like winning a memorial, winning the genesis with Tigers name involved, or winning a major or the player's championship. It's just the way it is. But you know what? I think they're very happy holding an event and having a great event that they have and whatever, whoever they're champion is. I mean, Steve Stricker has won the John Deere several times. Jack Johnson's won the John Deere several times. But Zach Johnson's not remembered for winning John Deere. He's been member for winning the Masters and Open Championship. Steve Strick is not remembered for winning a John Deere. Steve Strickers remember for making a ton of

putts and winning and being a killer in the rider cups and everything else. He hasn't won a major, but... Just use my own guy against me. It's like, wow. Jordan Spee, Jordan Spee's not remembered for one of the John Deere. I mean, that was the launching pad, though. It launched a pretty good career. And you know what? And you know what?

Those tournaments are what, and those tournaments love it, because they can say, hey, listen, Jordan Speed launch his career by winning this event. But I guarantee you, if you ask a lot of people, hey, what event did Jordan went first, I don't think they're going to remember John Deere. That longmore tournament. Touche.

Too shay. But at the same time, those events, you know, they know where they stand. And they play to a different category, to play to a different way to get players enticing them to come play. And by Jordan Speed winning there, his first win, that's huge with John Deere. They can always say, hey, Jordan Speed won its first event here. I would also say that I would say like all the tractor team markers are pretty sweet, But you hate T-markers.

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It's as good of a putter as you can get for an amateur golfer. I'm telling you right now, it just makes putting easier. Yeah, it's a cheat. Teller mate's great. I mean, basically, it is, it is. Oh, I jump. a little live from Italy. Yeah, but no, like, I remember talking to the putting guy just quickly on it. Like, they're trying to move all of the weight outside of the middle, which is crazy. I think

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There's people pledging their leadings and all this stuff. I want to ask you a question. And you can answer as carefully as you want to in this hot climate. But being such a team guy and, uh, and, uh, and, you know, a high power competitive guy. Do you yourself have any like wants for the PJ tour to adopt more team golf? Or are you happy with the way the format currently is? We had a long discussion on the last podcast on if people really, the average person, do they care about the tournament that's on from Thursday to Sunday?

Because we're just so like, turn on ESPN. What's the biggest game tonight? We got NBA on, we got MLB on, we got NHL on. Like, are we really watching the John Deere on Friday? Are we watching all the memorial every single week, every single shot? Are we really doing that? Like, but if there was a way to keep up with like standings and stats and team aspect and guys meeting you on the green being like, Billy just got us into this.

I genuinely had a, I really enjoy the fact that we could move towards a team aspect. I would love to know where you find where you fall on that. Yeah. So I think, you know, playing a, obviously we got the Zurich Classic, which is a great event. I love Zurich. You know, I've been fortunate up to win it as an individual, as a team. And I would bet that Sam Burns and I were probably going to win in the next five years, in my opinion. Because we're right back down.

Hold on, hold on. Yep, go right ahead. When it happens, I sit right here on bar stool. But, you know, I think there is room in golf to make changes, to make. make it more enticing, more interesting to the golf public. I do think, you know, I said this to tour, you know, a lot of stuff I, you know, why I have no issue saying things in public is, is I tell the tour what I feel all the time. I think we have way too many events as it is.

47 events of the year is too many. I think if we could cut that back, you know, 10, 10, maybe 12, and you have somewhere around the low 30s, you know, I think that makes, you have an offseason, you have some other enticing events and some team aspects of it. But at the end of the day, you know, golf's always been that individual sport and you compare yourself against everything else. You know, baseball, you need nine players to play baseball. You can't play with seven. You can't play with four. You know, they remember you need nine. And so that's how, you know, it works. You know, in football, you need, what is it, 11 players on the field, you know, to make a football team. You know,

if one team has seven, one team has 11, I'm sorry, the team with 11 is always going to win. But, you know, that's how they compare themselves. But golf is so, one, you don't need another teammate to play the game of golf. You can play it by yourself. And so I think it's great if we do have more team aspects involved somehow. But I think the public wants to know, or at least I would want to know, you know, where does these other guys stand as an individual? because, you know, if Roy McRoy, myself, you know, let's throw Kenwin Young in there and let's throw, you know, who's another young guy, like a Will's out, you know, I'm saying Will's Out Torres. Let's just say, like Camden Changali, you know, if we're winning all the time as a team, well, who's really the better player, depending on how you figure out that format? You know, is Roy really the best player? Am I the best player? Is Ray really the best player? Am I the best player? If you're not having an individual format involved as well. So that's,

You know, that's my take on it. I do, but I do think there is room to sort of, you know, expand a little bit and try to make golf a little bit more entertaining and a little bit more where people can get behind maybe more than one player, you know, make it get behind three guys, four guys that, you know, a couple times a year where there truly is a team aspect. And, you know, and then, you know, that's, that's sort of my little two-step take on it. I mean, the game's growing.

There's no doubt about it. I mean, everyone's playing. It's just I just with our generation, the generation that's coming up behind us, it's like you want, you want some, no one wants to root for everyone. That's just not the way the world works. Oh, I agree. So it's like, we need those packs of guys to be able to root for because like I hate just turning it out on Sunday and being like, yay, to whoever won. It's just so boring at that point. It's like, let me ask you this.

I mean, I'm a golfer. I watch a ton of golf. I probably watch more golf than anyone in the PJ tour. I mean, and I know every guy out in the PJ Tour, there's guys that I want to win. There's guys that I root every week. And then there's guys that are competing against that. I don't want that guy to win.

I mean, I'll be on record to say that. There's guys, I'd rather have the other guy win. So to say, you know, you could easily have, you know, your own team where you have, you have your six guys that you just love to pull for and everyone else you can just hate. Yeah. I mean, we kind of do that already. And you know what gambling is really helped that to the bar. Sportsbook.

Harsal Sportsbook has made a gambling coming into golf has made golf so much more enjoyable. I agree. You have to watch us when we're during a major or whenever we like live stream whilst watching golf, when we are on a single guy, like we were on that JT versus Alatorre's playoff and living and dying with every single shot because you've got money on one side. And when one guy hits one to the wrong side of the green, you're going bananas. So yes, that that has brought it and I love that aspect. You know what? And there's one other side to the gambling aspect that it's been around and it hasn't, I don't think it's caught hold here in America.

My stats guy, Mark Horton, used to gamble for a living. And, you know, he would bet like he would have a player. And depending on where that player hit a shot on a green, he would either like take him or lay him. He would sell him because of the percentages, you know, knowing their percentage of up and down, like, hey, this guy's not going to get it up and down. I'm going to lay him. and, you know, you're betting on per shot. Don't tell Lurchs that because Lurch is going to be given out tickets. The one of the worst cameras. I also don't have the stats.

You know what I'm telling you. The stats are a nightmare. Next time you guys are out of an event and my stats guy is there, you should really take like 20, 30 minutes and he can show you some things that, you know, that you guys would find even more, I think, interesting in the gambling aspect. And, you know, obviously, if you know the numbers, you know the stats, you know where guys, you know, they hit it in a certain spot, like two for 12 out of guys have gotten up and down, you know, you have those numbers.

And maybe the other guy's not smart enough to look that up or know that right away. You can make money that way. Oh, yeah. You should have seen us for Augusta. Will the guy hit the fairway? We were betting the 11th hole. Like it was, and every single time, it's like, is this guy going to take a driver? This guy can take a three way?

We didn't really know any of that stuff. And every time the guy steps into the T, you're like, no, you're going crazy. Dude, and they act like, damn. act like you guys are supposed to hit every fairway at Augusta ever. And I'm, I get that they're wide and it's pretty wide. But if the ball rolls a foot into the little first cut, you just miss the fairway and lose. You guys are like, guys are like three to one to hit the fairway. You're like, oh, obviously to take it. Roast driver 331 down the middle and it rolls a foot into the rough and you just lose and your hands in few. Every to hit fairway bet has been like minus 250 and

worse in odds for the life of us betting it. It's just, it's the worst bet ever. Because it's, It's uncontrollable at some point. Once it hits a fairway, it's almost uncontrollable. Like, even you guys can't even control where it's going to roll out to. So it's a crazy bet. The only good ones are when the fairways have, we've had a ton of rain and the ball just hits and stops. Just stops. Yeah.

Yeah. Right. We need a lock in on that. We need a lock in on that. I was thinking it's interesting. Like, Billy is probably going to have a very different opinion on the team aspect than we are because that's what he's known his whole life. He's 35 years old. He's playing golf since he's young for 30-something years.

That's literally what he's. known as like individualistic approach. You've got to learn to dominate and to be in that world and to crush. So like for us as fan, like pretty much all of us picked up golf later in life or after kind of our glory days of high school athletics were over. And so for us, we're kind of like team, team team. And we play a team match every Saturday with our boys. Where again, where you're like, no, no, I, boys, I worked really hard to get to this point

to win individual. This is what I do. I want to win individual tournament. So I imagine it's pretty different. In terms of team golf, I mean, I remember 2014. 14 rider cup. You got you got snubbed last year for the, for the rider cup. I know you got snubbed.

Is that something team golf wise? I mean, now you're, I think you're eighth in the President's Cup standing. Is that something that's like a big goal for yours, desire of yours to get on some of these teams? Hey. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's Colby.

Yeah. I would love to, you know, there's two things I haven't accomplished in my career. and that's, you know, win a major and make a team. And, you know, if I could pick what team I make, it would be a Ryder Cup team and it would be overseas. Because I just would, that would be like my ultimate dream. That's where I feel like I would thrive the most. It would really be the best.

Gator claps in Rome. Also, we would be big, harsal guys. You infiltrating some other country, we would go. Huge. Huge. So that's, that's where I would love to do it. And so like I said, I mean, if I'm able to make the President's Cup team this year, I mean, that's awesome. Because listen, as much as I did say, I want to play individually, the team aspect is really cool.

When you're, when you guys all come together trying to win, you know, a certain prize together, you're pulling for each other, you're rooting for each other. I mean, you just have to see what I, you know, what I've done in Walker Cup and how crazy I was at the Walk Cup team over. And Northern Ireland in 2007, I mean, you know, I was the cheerleader. I had the pom-poms out. I mean, I did everything, you know, to support my, you know, the guys on a team. I mean, you know, as I've said before, I said, if I made the team, I mean, I would, I want to play every match. But they said, hey, Billy, you know, we need you go deliver coffee to Tiger Woods on the seventh hole. Man, that coffee would get out there faster than fucking lightning.

Well, you never know. I mean, some spots may be opening up now in the future on the Ryder Cup team. So we'll see. Yeah. It doesn't disjoint me if that happens. I imagine it wouldn't. I imagine, you know, you've mentioned Tiger a couple times and playing in the Genesis, his event, how that kind of stuff stands out.

What is your relationship like with Tiger? Because I remember at Augusta when he showed up and the Tiger hype was crazy. You were one of the first guys that kind of dapped him up on the range in a video that went viral. What's your relationship like with Tiger? Tigers have been great to me since I met him 2009. He gave me a spot at his event at the, I think it was 18th National and Congressional. I think that's what it was called. And this is why I thought this is, I mean, like I said,

Tiger's been great and, you know, everyone has an opinion about every player, but I can only tell you how someone treats me and how they treat the people around me. And he's been great with the people around me, with my family, with my wife for many, many years. But 2009, I wanted to thank him for the sponsor exemption. Mark Steinberg said, hey, meet him, you know, be here after his program. He's going to grab some dinner or some lunch. And then before he does media, he'll be available. So he's talking to somebody.

And then he gets done. And so I go over and say, hey, Tiger, Billy Horshaw, thank you so much for the sponsor exemption. It really means a lot. And he goes, hey, you know, you've had an unbelievable career in college. Rattles off some stuff I've done in college and Amhergolf and just say, hey, you just keep doing what you did there. You'll be just fine. And I walked away from there. I'm like, holy shit.

Like, no one told him. You know, no one gave him. you know, yes, it's any Billy Horst was going to come, but it wasn't like he had a five-minute conversation with his right with Steinberg rattling off everything I've done, you know, in college and Amner Golf. Like, you know, he just had remembered that from, you know, when ever they told him, you know, when they were looking at sponsor picks. I thought that was the coolest thing in the world at the time. And from there, you know, we've had a great relationship. You know, I'm a little bit different. I don't really talk to him too much about golf. I don't ask them about, you know,

how to handle certain situations or how to handle certain situations or how to hit certain golf shots. You know, I just, you know, I talked about his kids, his family, we talk about sports. You know, I bust his chops and he'll bust mine, you know, but, you know, when it comes to golf, you know, he gets so many questions asked already from so many guys that, you know, at least early in my career, I didn't want to be that way with him. But, you know, now I know if there was something golf wise, golf specific that I needed to ask him, I know he would be, you know, be willing to offer up some advice. That's cool. He does seem like an encyclopedia with things like that. That's amazing. He knew that about it. He remembers everything. I mean, it's unbelievable. He remembers everything. I mean, you know, you hear the stories of, you know, at media, when you do media stuff and what maybe a reporter would ask or would say, like maybe a month or two ago and he hadn't seen the guy and he sees the guy. He remembers exactly what the reporter said and sort of gives him a stare down in the days and sort of calls him out on that. I thought that was so cool back then.

That's awesome. I assume that makes you, like, want to pay it back, too, the next generation. Like, a guy like that says something like that to you, you know, you watch a ton of golf and just being the next guy to, you know, give it to somebody else that's coming up through the ranks. It's got to be pretty cool. Yeah, it is. You know, I think that's what we're supposed to do. I mean, I know we're competing with each other and everything. And, you know, it's funny because, what was it, about a month ago,

Ryan Taneyhill said, you know, it's not his job to, to, to, you know, mentor Malik, I can't remember what Malik, the quarterback they drafted from, was it Liberty, I think. And I'm like, you know, that's not the case. You know, he's so worried about losing his job. He doesn't want to mentor the guy because he's afraid he's going to lose it because he thinks that guy's better than him. And so that's a bad mentality to have. So, you know, listen, I know those guys that are more talented than me. I know those guys that can do other things than me. And so at the end of the day, like, I don't mind mentoring the guy because at the end of the they got to have it up here too.

And, you know, you can only, you know, tell them so much, but at the end of the day, if they don't have it up here, which I can tell you, you know, if we sat down, you know, I won't do it on this thing. But if we sat down in private a little bit and we watched golf, I can tell you who's going to, you know, get the job done and who's not. You know, there's just signs of it. And you can just tell the guy's personality and mentality

and the way he plays and the way he talks, the way he acts, that, you know, there's certain guys I just don't worry about, you know, if they have a chance, to live in a tournament. That guy doesn't scare me. And he gets a job done. Tushay to him. We talk about helping the next generation. Your work with the AJGA has been amazing. You just got named what, the national chairman of the AJGA. And this was this year or last year? Yeah, last year, yeah. Last year. So how's that whole process been? I mean, I know Brett has talked to me about

just how much work you do with them and how passionate you are about, you know, that program and everything that you're doing there. So just talk a little bit about that. Yeah, the AJGA has been great to me. You know, I only played like maybe eight, eight, nine AJGA events growing up. We didn't have the funds to go travel around. And honestly, I wasn't really that good as a junior golfer. So it was tough to get into them anyways. But, you know, these kids are so good already.

It's crazy. And so my thing to them pretty much is that, yes, I know they all want to play professionally, whether PGA, LPGA, or DP World Tour, or maybe they live golf now. But I just tell them, I said, this golf can open up so many doors, you know, if you don't make it, whether it be you meet somebody who, you know, gets you started in like a financial job that, you know, it was sort of like a back of your mind thought or, you know, you start a podcast and you guys have been so successful with this. And you just never know what this game of golf can do for you. So, you know, I've always just said then, hey, make sure you treat people right way. make sure you're doing the right things because if you don't make it professionally, this game of golf can open up so many doors.

And it's cool to see these guys, these young ladies and young men, you know, come and play. One of the girls that won my first one, it was Rachel Cune, I think. She plays at Wake Forest. I'm drawing. I'm not,

I can't remember her name exactly, but she's had a heck of a career there. The team had a chance. She played in the women's, Augusta National Women's Amateur there. And I think she, I believe she made the cut and played really well. And so I sent her a text and said, hey, great playing. And so it's cool to see what they've done and followed their career to next level. And hopefully they make it.

But like I said, you know, I want every one of them to make it. But I want them to be more successful in life. It's a bigger key message every year to them. The beginning of your story is really interesting. I was reading just a little blurb that we got sent. And you know, you started playing golf in your backyard and your dad essentially told it. What's the story with the pond? Oh, yeah.

So we lived on two and a half acres in the middle of nowhere. And I'm telling you guys, it was the middle of nowhere at the south end of Bavar County. And so I would go out in the backyard and hit balls. And my dad said he would never allow me play a golf course. I could never play it like holes. You can never take me the golf course to play until I could hit it over the pond or the back of the creek of our yard, which is 100 yards in the air.

He's like, I can't stand playing behind people who can't at least fly the ball 100 yards in the air. You know, it just, they hit it 20 yards, and they drive your golf cart 20 yards, and they hit another 20 yards. It's just so slow. So he's like, you've got at least hit 100 yards. And so I don't know what age that was. And I did it.

And my mom was home and I came running in. I was so excited. And so I just waited out in the driveway until my dad came. And I literally, he probably came close to hit me with the truck or something. But I mean, he couldn't even take one foot step out. And I said, I hit it over the creek. And he's like, okay, good job. Now you got to go show me that you can do it again.

You know, I know, I know you said you did it, but you got to show me that you can actually do it. So yeah, it's, like I said, I got raised by two unbelievable. parents and and you know it's they taught me a lot of the correct things in life yeah i love that family such a big thing for you that that was one of the biggest storylines at the memorial that that's the first term you were able to win with the kids the family present which is so cool what was that like seeing them running on to the to the green yeah i think any any tour player that um that plays on tour that has a you know a wife or kids you know they want that they want that they want that where their wife or their kids or both of them come out running on the green. It's such a cool

scene every time, especially with the kids. And so, you know, there's been times I've had chances to win and the wife and the kids that want to come in, you know, were a little superstitious. And I am super superstitious, but I told my wife, like, hey, no, you know, come on fly on in. No big deal. She still, she still wouldn't do it. And so we had an opportunity this year and Bay Hill to do it. They were there on the 18th green. I had to put the tight sky. Scotty, it just didn't happen. And to finally get that done, to finally have all those photos and videos that I've talked about

for a lifetime of them running on the green and going berserk. And my kids, not knowing if I actually won or not, they just ran out in the green. And asking me if I actually won. And then my little guy is like, yeah, and then my little guy's like,

Daddy, look, there was a blimp in the air. And so, you know, it just shows you. That's perfect. It's like, it's like, yep, that's them. Okay, no big deal. So, yeah, it was pretty cool. It was a special moment. something that I'll always remember. Truly hard seltzer. Saviastria truly is typically the sponsor for

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Can't share those? I don't know. Yeah, I can't. I just, I mean, there's probably about 25, you tell you true. As an ice hockey goalie growing up, I had like a thousand of them. Because I just like never knew, like, what game was going to shop. Well, goalies your weirdos in general. You just hope the fuck hits you. And like, those are things that are buried deep in the ground that I don't think I'd tell us all.

Because I think people would just say, I'm clinically insane. Like, you know, we don't have, obviously, the camera shining on us the whole time. Frankie talks us all about, like, you know, being all crazy. And I would love to even hear, like, you're back and forth with your dad, you know, like, if he's this kind of reserved guy and you're Billy, you know, like, we just are who we are. And I'll never forget one day being a crazy goalie. We lost two. two one to some like podong team we never should have lost him i turned around spiked my uh goly stick over the crossbar snapped in the half and my dad literally as i'm skating off the ice goes settle the f down and i was so scared to leave that locker room so i ended up just never taking my my pads

off just didn't i was the last guy in the locker room my dad says you got to take the pads off and he'd read me out for like an hour and a half and you know we were okay after that but um yeah i hear all I've had that. I've, I've, I've had my dad. Oh, yeah, I mean, listen, I'm still, I mean, I'm 35 and my dad's 70. I'm still sort of scared shitless of my dad, you know, and so, I mean, there's, I mean, yeah, there's been instances on the baseball field or the golf course where I've gotten, you know, my butt handed to me and then there's instances where, you know, it's not politically correct to do it today, but, you know, where I've had the belt to the butt before.

And, you know, for doing things that weren't right. So, so yeah, I know all about that. And, but yeah. But superstition-wise, I always keep four T's in my right pocket. I still have the same divot repair tool that I've had for last 10 or 11 years. I have a 1936 quarter that I've had for like six years. If I break a T, so if I tee off and the T breaks, I have to put a T immediately in my pocket. And if I forget, and let's just say I make a bogey on the hole or like a 10 footer lips out for Bertie.

And then I go to the next tee and I'm like, oh, crap, there's only three teas. Like, I'm like, well, the world wasn't on its right access. So obviously, that's why I made bogey. That's why the putt didn't go in the hole. You know, just this crazy stuff like that. I mean, I've been known to have eat the same exact meal for dinner four days in a row if I played great, had the same exact food and had the same exact breakfast. and warm up exactly the same in the gym.

I mean, it's just absolutely insanity. But it's just what I do, and it's just like that little comfort for me. Is it only in golf, though? Or are you like, do you have to have the volume on Netflix at like the same number every time? Like, is it only on the golf course? No, no, yeah, only on the golf course, yeah. Or like golf related things, obviously the rain, I mean, you know, golf related things. Okay. Yeah, just golf related things. I mean, what was I mean, there are times like if we're, you know,

when you're driving to the course, like if you're hoping the same songs came on the next, the day, the day before. I'm like, I'm like, okay, I need to have this song come on so I can remember it because I was humming it in my head the entire round of golf. And so I'm hoping that song came on. So perfect example, 2014, uh, um, tour championship. FedEx Cup. I'm driving the golf course every day, and I can't remember the band's name. But I'm just listening.

I mean, I drove up in my personal car, so I'm listening to Sirius XM, Alt Nation. And I am just, you know, having a great week. And so, like, the first day, one of the songs comes on is sort of in my head. Second day, song comes on,

you know, as I'm driving the golf course, like, wow, this is cool. And then by the third day, I'm driving to golf course. I'm like, I'm panicking because I'm right around the corner. and the song hasn't come on. And it came on and I was like, yes. And then the last day, I'm like, do I put the song on myself

or do I just hope that it comes on? And it was, it came on like right in, right after I got in the car after I got the car from ballet. And it was something by Bastille, the band Bastille. I can't remember what it was. the song was that it was a hit at that point. They've got a really famous one. I want you to be happier.

I want you to be happier. It may have been flaws. It may have been flaws. And I don't know why that song was it, but it was just it. And so I was, sorry. You're good. Hang on. Pompeii was a really famous one by Bastille. Yeah, it was either Pompeii or flaw in which one it was. But it was just like, I mean, I was.

And then when that song came on, I'm like, My wife was yelling at me, it was flaws. And so, they're telling me it was flaws. And so I don't know why. Like, that song came on. And I'm like, okay, I'm winning today. It's over. I'm winning.

Like, I was so calm. Like, my stats guy, Horstie was like, you know, how you feel? Like, hey, Horseson, don't worry. Today, we got this cover. Like, we're going against Roy McBory. No one player in the world. We're tied for lead in the final round tour championship. To win the tour championship in FedEx.

Like, it's good. It's his money in the bank, buddy. And so, yeah, I mean, it's, it's, I'm stupid that way in certain things. Well, and golf especially. You're stupid in the sense that like you're the one that's making that ball go on the whole,

not Bastille playing on Serious XM. The thing is, at some point, Billy's horse will have to give himself some fucking credit for winning seven tournaments. What? No, no,

being the top 10 ranked player in the world. Like, this guy is hitting the golf shots. If Bastille didn't play that day, he still want to walk. No, no. But the guy's in the right mindset and believes himself,

like, believes himself to the billionth degree and that extra degree, might be the difference. I'm a baseball player. I grew up playing baseball for 13 years. You never step on the foul line. You know, when you're crossing going to a vision.

I get it. Even when I played the field, you never stepped on it. You jumped over it. I get it. I was superstitious when it came to baseball 100%. I'm just saying, I want you to be able to say that I want you to be able to say that. Yeah, I want Billy to be able to say like this. Like this fucking guy's on the other side.

You paid for this? This is the thing, though, with superstitions for a guy like Billy, if it works, then who cares? Like, keep doing it. Like, Ryan Getslav and Corey Perry, you ever see the thing they used to do? The Ducks? I mean, Corey Perry now is on Tampa Bay,

and they're just lighting the Rangers on fire. But, right, they used to, Getslav used to actually have to point on all the different parts of Cory Perry's back as they were walking out of the locker room. And it was psychotic. He would literally press like Y, P,

oh, it was nuts. He would press all these buttons on his back and they both needed it. And if it didn't happen, like if one guy would, out that day like get slav would be all over the place it was psychotic but I guess yeah there's times there's times when I'm playing like obviously we eat and drink on the course but like let's say I was playing a really good you know around the golf and maybe on the 12th hole I grabbed the bar and

then I got bogeyed 12th hole the 13th hole and then like the next day I'm like man I'm hungry do I have a bar or do I just go ahead and not have a bar you know I mean it's like that it honestly is like that and there's times I mean you know it's it's it's it's stupid it really is the way my mind works but it's just sort of my little comfort zone my little my little like hey this is just the way it is if if if i eat a bar am i going to be thinking about making a bogey now uh because i just ate this bar because i eat a bar yesterday and i made a bogey so well what if like what if what if something innocent happened where it's like you're driving to the golf course you've heard the same song three days in a row you have a five-stroke lead

going into the memorial and your son changes the channel as the song comes on to like baby sharp do do do do baby or something like that and you're just like oh shit i'm going to lose today what the fuck i got has that happened where like someone else has like affected your superstition and like ruined the day no i haven't had that happened and you know what honestly it could get messy it could get real mess i mean you know i'm not sure brett mccabe could fix me if i've ever been but it's you know it's i mean yeah it is what it's just what it's i mean it's all in the mind and there's just the way the mind works. Like I said, you know, maybe, maybe I'll eat a bar on the seventh pole instead of a 12 pole, you know, just so. And the best golfers in the world do, I mean, the best players

and athletes in the world do it. I mean, Ichrosizuki used to do the same exact thing. Every time you tell me bad, Derek Cheater. I mean, no margassia par. I want to talk about a guy who had, I mean, come on, dude, it's crazy. So I guess whatever it is, it is. That made me think that like, one day you're driving to the golf course and you hit a squirrel, God forbid. And then you're You're driving down the road every day. Where are those squirrels there? I got to hit another squirrel. It's just burying squirrel.

I don't know if I'd go that far. All right. I don't know if I go that far. But I don't know. You'll play for you shoot a 65. Who knows? Putting nuts out in front of his car and lure in the squirrels in and just runs them over. Maybe driving the Brookline next week, I'll hit a squirrel and I'll shoot 63 in the first

round and then I'm like, oh, shit. We'll go get you some squirrels. That happens. We'll go get you some squirrels. I might be gambling on you. I'll dump a whole basket of squirrels in the middle of the road. All over the place. We'll glue him to the road.

He's on the side of his bed praying at night being like, I'm so sorry. Like, I just got to run these souls over. I'm sorry, God, that I did this, but I mean. I just got to run these squirrels over. I just got to do it. Three more squirrels got to meet their maker. I got to win this tournament. It's a sacrifice.

It's a sacrifice. So we've mentioned the 2014 FedEx Cup a few different times. You win $10 million. Do they just, I mean, do they just wire $10 million to you? Are you like, are you called them being like, hey, I want to make sure you got, I want to make sure you got my bank information, right? How is it? What's the process?

You know what? It's funny. I remember when Jim Fiorek won in 2011. And he said he never ever looked like all our money gets wired in on Tuesday, I believe. And so he said he never looked at, he never looked at his bank account ever, but that FedEx Cup, he was refreshing. every time on Tuesday. Like, I need to see that money.

It's money in my account. Money in my account. I win it. You get $9 million. A million gets deferred. I never looked at my bank account. Come on, dude. Never.

Come on. You know, I mean, it was shocking because coming from no money, coming from, you know, low middle class, you think I would like, I can't wait to see it's $9 million in my bank account. Never did. Never looked.

Things change, though. You're like, get the fucking surf and turf tonight. You know what I mean? Like, you knew it was in there, though. You knew that that was cushion. There was some cushion in there now. But that's crazy. I want to see those zeros just like a little green.

I still have never looked at my bank account on a Tuesday to see if that money's ever gotten wired in at all. So maybe they made a mistake. Maybe they have to turn your phone sideways to see the zeros. What if they made a mistake? Billy Horson may not have gotten paid for like five of his wins. He just has no idea. No, I guess.

But if you win that. He's got a money guy. If you win that $9 million, make sure that money gets in there. That's right. That guy, that guy's checking. That guy's like, come on, baby. It's the stat guy that's going to Europe play based on all those bets on guys

who he's laying people. If there's a time to never look at your bank account again, it's probably after you make $9 million bucks. Like, I don't have to look ever again because I have to worry about it. If I get that point, my, I'm never looking at my phone. My financial guy did say, he did say, hey, nine million just got deposit in your account. That was pretty cool. He did see me an email or text letting me know that it got.

It's got to be some, some sort of confirmation. You're like, right. Exactly. Exactly. That's much larger. Wee. Wahoo! I mean, listen, I mean, that's a lot of money.

I mean, listen, I mean, Patrick Cantley won $15 million. I think, you know, it's $15 million for the next couple of years. And then it's going to go to $18. And then it's going to $20 or $25 in a decade or whatever. I mean, it's an insane amount of money. I mean, it really is. And I mean, I tell, you know, people like, like, yeah, you won $10 million. I said, yeah, but you guys forgot.

I won twice. and I finished second. So I've won $13.5 million in three weeks. Jesus. It's not a bad month. Not a bad month. It was not a bad month at all. And then two months later, two months later,

financial guy comes down to our end of the year report. And he said, hey, by the way, here's your tax bill this year. And I was like, what? That's a big number. And I'm like, yeah, I was like, okay, that's insane. So I realized at that point, I'm like, you listen, that's a lot of money. I'm paying it to the government.

Oh, you just like, you start running over stop sides. You're like, it's cool. I paid for this. It's like, no problem, gang. I'm like, hey, my road, the road that I drive on the golf course here to TBC is crap. Can we get this thing like we paved? I mean, I just paid you guys like $8.5 million in 2014. I know you got the money.

I saw it go away from me. She named the road after you. Geez. A quick question about Netflix. I know Netflix is doing the documentary this year. We spoke to them a little bit, kind of understand. They're a little bit secretive. They're a little bit like open at times about what all is going on.

It's been an insane year. Has the Netflix crew and all that like impacted things at all? Have they been like around? Is it change yours? Are you trying to be careful with microphones? Like how's that, how's that affected things at all? You know, you saw them early in the year and I haven't really seen them. You know, they were the locker room.

I actually called a tour because they said they weren't going to be in the locker room. They were in the locker room. And if they were, they were to be out of the way. But I was like changing my shoes next to whoever. I don't know who the player was. And I'm like, these guys are just, they weren't filming me, but they were like in my space as I'm trying to get ready to go play like the final round or something. And I was like, come on, guys. Just give us a little bit of space in here.

But no, I, you know, I'm not doing the Netflix. I don't know any, you know, I don't know much about it. I know the guys that have done it. But if it comes out anything like drive to survive for F1, I mean, that's a big hit because I'm a massive F1 guy, followed it for the last decade. And then when that came out, you know, you got even closer. You got, you know, inside and you learn more about the drivers and everything.

So if they can make, and I mean, I think F1 is really cool. I'm like, how are you going to make us golfers look like F1 drivers? I mean, these guys are driving at 200 miles per hour. And if they make a wrong. turn, they may die. I mean, if we hit a bad shot, like, we're not going to die. If you hit a bad shot, someone may die. Well, I mean, if someone's biased, I was just saying, no, he had true. Woo!

That was good. That was good. But, I mean, if I had a bad shot, I mean, somebody's like, damn, you suck, Billy. That's the worst thing that's going to happen to me, you know? So, yeah, but I mean, it's, it's, I think it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's interesting how they make us look great because I think they can make it look really cool and bring even more fans into the game and draw even more fans like you said frankie this next generation you know get them more involved in a game of golf speaking how do you feel about the oh god just real quick speaking to you saying oh billy i got a DM we were talking about you one time

i forgot what time it was but someone was like me and my group of buddies it's eight of us at play and every time we had a bad shot we all say oh billy and no one at the club knows why and it's just You have a bunch of dudes playing at a country club and every single one of these guys all say, oh, Billy, all their names are different. Not one of them's Billy. I thought that was very, very funny. Just a collection.

That's funny. You probably hit horrible shots all the time. I mean, you know, like I said, I don't run my Twitter account anymore, but I run my, I still do my own Instagram and I'll look at the comments and people will be like, you know, I'll be like, bad read Billy, really bad read Billy.

And I'll just get like people comment that all the time. Like, it doesn't matter, it doesn't, it doesn't matter what The post is about, there's just like, there's always like four or five comments about really bad read, Billy, really bad read. Yeah, I think that's hilarious. That's cool. Like, that's got to be cool. That's like people know you. That's your thing.

Yeah. I mean, yeah, it's my thing. I mean, it's like I said, you know what? It's whatever gets more people to watch golf and if they watch me because I can look like a psycho sometimes. I don't know which one of you called me. That. American psycho. I said you're like Christian Bell.

I said it's almost like a compliment. That's fine. You know, more eyes to the golf course, more money coming in, more people watching. It's only better for the game of golf. It's a good attitude. It's a good attitude. Shopify, the all-on-one commerce platform to start run and grow your business. There's a little bit of entrepreneurship talked about in here.

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You know, I think it's great. I mean, listen, it doesn't, you know, when you're trying to grow and everything, you're going to have bandwagon people. I mean, it's no different than now with the premier. league, you know, how that's taken off. And obviously, I've been following that for more than a decade. And with NBC showing, you got more guys getting involved and figuring out what team they're going to support, you know, Americans are trying to figure out what teams are going to support.

So, you know, I think it's great. It's great. You know, the Miami Grand Prix, I didn't go to it, but they had a lot of celebrities there. And, you know, I would only think that as long as the drivers are happy with it, as long as they're still getting the recognition and getting, you know, all the, you know, when they're at the event, like, it's them. It's the drivers are why that sport, the racing, that's why everyone's there. If they're still getting all that, you know, recognition and people are realizing that, that's fine. You know, that's all that matters.

Yeah. Who's your, who's your squad in F1? Who's your got, you got any of the guy? Yeah, I'm a maxer-staffing guy. I love Max. You know, he just, I mean, he doesn't give a rat's ass in my opinion. when he's driving and then you know, Daniel Ricardo is pretty cool.

You know, everyone seems to love Daniel. And then I think, I think Landon Norris and George Russell are going to be two really good drivers. So, yeah, you know, they,

they do need, and I guess why I love Max and, you know, I've always loved guys like this. It's because, you know, because, I mean,

until last year, I felt like everyone hated Max, because everyone is such a Lewis Hamilton guy. And they weren't Lewis Hamilton guy. And they weren't Lewis Hamilton. ultimately win. And then Max won. And Max is getting more, more supporters. But, you know, I always pulled for the guy that other people didn't pull for that everyone hated or didn't like. That was always, you know, the guy I always wanted to, you know, do well. And so Max is, he's a hell of a driver.

And yeah, I just love that guy. Do you follow that guy on Instagram, Connor's sketches? He's also got a golf channel show. I think he has. Oh, he's the Irish guy, right? Yeah, he does unbelievable impersonations of all the Premier League guys and all the F1 guys when you're having some downtime like maybe tonight or something go look at his Instagram you're going to have the time of your life watching this guy he does a Daniel Ricardo impersonation that is honestly so good it's scary with the guns and everything it's it's it's frightening you know what it's funny because I've seen the Premier League one I haven't seen the F1 and I think it's absolutely hilarious and he did that one um with Poulter yeah Westwood

word in the live one. I thought that was absolutely hysterical. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I can't remember what the Dustin Johnson thing was. You know, and I mean, what he said as Dustin Johnson, I think he said, you know, I said that if they didn't pay me yet, you know, a penny over whatever, then, you know, I'm not taking it. And I don't know what the number one's why I thought it was out of hilarious. Yeah, yeah.

I mean, he is so funny and so good. And I mean, Poulter is a really good friend of mine, a really good friend. And I mean, his Poulter stuff is absolutely hysterical. I love him. I love him when he does Poulter because I think it's so spot on. I mean, it's just, I mean, I can't stop laughing. It's funny you're so tight with Poulter because, you know, these guys, I hopped on the podcast probably a year or two after these guys started going. They really have had a history with Ian Poulter.

If you want to talk about history, Ian Poulter's put on his Instagram, he's never going to go on this show because these guys have what was the word harassed me harassed us they've harassed me for five or six years we've actually had we've had an inside source text ean to be like just go on the show like make amends like let's just somehow make this into a funny thing and he said absolutely not so that's where we're at with with polter yeah you know pulse you know polts you know polts can rub people the wrong way You know, he's English. You know, that's just what happens sometimes. Yeah.

You know, he, you know, similar situation. He grew up with no money. He, he, he, everything he's done, he's done it on his own. He's made it on his own. And, you know, he's, do I love that? I mean, I make fun of him because I'm like, dude, why did you have to do the Netflix thing? Like, you put your entire life every second on Instagram, on your Instagram, on your Instagram, on your Instagram and everything.

Like, the only thing I haven't seen is you've taken a shit and wiping you on. my butt with it, you know. That's the only thing I haven't seen you do that you haven't posted on Instagram. But, you know, that's him. That's what he wants to do. And so I don't fault him for anything. But he's a great guy. You know, I know, like I said, he's been good to me. He's funny. He's English. I get along with a lot of people that are English. I don't know why that is. Like, I have more, you know, I just, I love being around those English people because they're blunt. They're straightforward. They like to have a good time. They tell you how. is. I mean, they, they love a little banter back and forth. Like, you know, I love playing with

them because, you know, Poulter and I will just be, you know, we hit a bad shot. He'll make fun of me and I'll make fun of him, you know, in a term that we're competing against each other with. So maybe I'll try to get Poulter to the push him, your guy as well. That would be a old-time, that would be an all-time four-play moment. If Ian Bollett was on for-play. Just an all-time four-play story that, of all people, we would have Billy Horsal would be our guy that gets yeah right to do our show you know i think this is gone okay i you know i've got fantastic we got the stuff out of the way at the front and now we're just hanging i mean we've been we've been recording for over an hour now it's been very natural yeah listen i just said guys i my my goal

wasn't to come in here and and thank you colby my my my goal wasn't to come in here and change your opinions of me i was just i was just going to be who i am and and and you know that's how i've always been. And if you guys like it, you guys like it. If you guys don't, then, you know, that's fine. Yeah, I think we're all big fans of you now. It's just as simple as simple as that. It's just whenever anyone comes on the show talks for an hour, shows that they're a human being can show any sort an ounce of just being a person. We're just like, y'all, best friends forever. Me and you share the same coach. We got to come up with a team name, by the way, the fact that we both have the same mental coach. I mean, we're now brothers in arms. I mean, we got to, something's good. We got to come up

with some sort of name. I think Trent had one before. Was it the, what was it? McCabe's Babes. McCabe's Babes. Okay, we'll workshop that. Hey, we're two good-looking guys.

Hey, why not? Look at that. I like that. I got a little sunup today, but I'm wearing purple, so it doesn't really suit that. I mean,

you look like you always have that little baby face. I don't know I should even grow any facial hair ever. No. No. It's a Justin Thomas. The Justin Thomas, like, chin to nipples.

There's just nothing there. I mean, know, I mean, I'm sure you sometimes still get ID because everyone thinks you may be under the age of 18 or 21 for alcohol. I barely get into rated our movies. Yeah. I mean, you know, that's a really good thing to have because when you're 50, you're going to look 30.

So the problem here is that. And if you're not married, you can't get all the 30 year olds. I'm starting to grow gray hair. It's just like genetics. I mean, you can't see it now. You know, I got, I can't see it's darkest shit. But I'm all I said. I'm figuring that like.

I look so young and then with the gray hair, I'm going to look like a cartoon character. It's like you need to have some sort of like real facial structure to have gray hair. So that's something I'm dealing with in my own world. Would you rather have hair or I'm sorry to go here or we're not rather

have a hair like ribs? I'd rather have any sort of hair. I mean, he's just, yeah, that's, that's a penis. I mean, I said, I will take gray hair if there's still hair on top of my head. Big time. Because I don't think I have a good looking bald head. I've never seen it.

But I'm afraid that if I have to go bald, it could look really ugly. I shaved my head once. You look like you got wisdom when you got gray hair. Wisdom. A little salt pepper. But I think now, you know, and I'm not sure how my beard would look, but like when you bald and you have a beard, like you look like, I think that's a great look too. People that have a bold and have a really good beard, like that's a hell of a look.

Can you grow the facial hair? Yeah, I can grow it. yeah that'd be a good look on you Phil had facial hair all of a sudden Phil did you see Phil's facial hair he's little Phil look bizarre can we talk about Phil's eyeballs Phil does not look well he does not look well

he was just like taking pictures he's not looked well I don't know I've only seen I think one picture with him and DJ I saw some facial hair so that's pretty interesting what's going on over there so I think Dylan to chair today is like Phil looks generally confused to be here

What do you guys think of it? I mean, you know, we get asked about all the time. What do you guys think of the Lyft Tour? I mean, you guys have been doing your podcast now for a handful of years plus. You guys have been around the PJ Tour. You guys have done stuff with Tiger Woods. You guys have done stuff and been a part of stuff. You do all that telemade, you know, commercial stuff and everything.

So, you know, what's the, how do you guys see that tour? Honestly, I would say we've gone back and forth on it a lot because of, I think, a lot of the reasons most people have is like on its if you're all living in a perfect world I think it'd be easy for people to say oh this is money coming from a bad source that's done horrific things I don't want to be used by them so I'm out but in reality our world runs by money it just does your entire family and generations of your family with some of these numbers that are to throw out could be taken care of forever and so I think I I on personal level can understand it from both sides. It might sound like a soft answer, but I thought JT put it really well today,

where he said like, look, I don't necessarily agree with it. I'm not going to go that way. I'm disappointed guys aren't necessarily staying with the PGA Tour, but I'm not going to hate Dustin Johnson when he comes back because he and I have a different opinion on things. And that's pretty hard to say these days in a world where people are so hateful based on their opinion. It's almost like you cannot coexist in a world as someone that disagrees with you, which is insane. So, yeah, I think like if it were. if it were a perfect, you know, ideal world, I could, I would be, again, everybody should say no. But if you choose to go and take a gigantic sum of money, people make a lot of crazy decisions and

aggressive decisions based on money. It's hard to just purely hate on somebody for doing that, I say. Yeah. Yeah, I agree. I mean, you know, I've said this, you know, last couple days doing interviews, and I've said it to the, you know, we've talked about it with other players, you know, in the locker rooms and at clubhouses at tournaments. And listen, I don't mind everyone goes.

If that's the decision they made, if they made a decision that's going to, you know, put them off in a better financial position or they want to play less or whatever it may be, like, that's their decision. Like, that's okay. You know, do now, obviously the money comes from a country that has a lot of issues and, you know, I don't know a lot about Saudi Arabia period other than what, you know, that's been talked about. But, you know, I don't fault anyone for doing it.

You know, that's what they want to do. You know, as I said, I'm happy with the PJ tour and I'm not, you know, I'm always where I'm going to be. But I'm not going to, you know, not talk to Ian Polter anymore because he's playing the live tour. Yeah. You know, that's not right. It's like, you know, it's like the way we are in our society nowadays.

It's like if you hang out with some friends, some new friends and, you know, three months later, you know, one of your friends finds out you're a Republican, like, oh, I don't hang out with Republicans. Like, what? Really? Just because I'm a Republican and we may differ in some certain views, now you don't like me, you like me for the first three months before you found that out. So, you know, it's, it's tough. I mean, I don't, it's tough. I don't want to see any player get banned or suspended. I don't think that's a good look for the game of golf, but I understand the tour has got to protect, you know, their business and do things that, you know, they see fit. You know, and I don't think any, you know, I don't think any players jealous that other guys have gone over there.

You know, some of the guys would probably wish it was them, you know, some of the guys that were hoping to get that money. Yeah, I was going to ask if that affects you at all. I mean, when you see guys that you know, you're clearly or you believe that you are better than, that you've had a better career then, that you could beat weekend and week out, and you find out that they're making tens of millions of dollars to go play somewhere else and play eight events a year, or even if it's close to that in terms of, you know, truth or what's actually going on. I mean, is that, I feel like that has to make it difficult or tempting or annoying on some level. Yeah, I mean, I think I read somewhere that they're projecting someone to make $42 million in their eight events this year.

Based off, you know, that little prize that $30 million they gave that they're going to split between the top three guys, the top guy's going to get $18 million. And then they're saying that if he's the top guy, he's probably going to want X amount of events, which is this money and team money. And so they're projecting $42 million in eight events. I mean, that's pretty insane. That's a lot of money.

And, you know, I don't agree with maybe Roy's comment that he said earlier in the year at Genesis where, you know, pretty much said, like, money doesn't change who you are. You know, money, you know, you're not. going to change who you are because of money. But the thing is, money does allow people like you said that live a better lifestyle or set their kids, kids, generational wealth, you know, going forward. So that's what they're thinking. That's their prerogative. And then, hey, you can't stop somebody for doing that. But as I, and Roy knows this, he's sitting on hundreds of million dollars already.

So, you know, he's not going to make a decision based off money. You know, Tiger's not going to make a decision based off money. They're going to make a decision that, you know, they think it's the best, you know, decision, you know, they can look at it in a bigger sense than just the money aspect of it. But yeah, I mean, you know, I know there's going to be some guys that make $15 million this year. I'm like, gosh, damn, that guy could only make maybe like $2.5 million in his best year and 10 years on PJ2 is $3.5 million. And now he's made $15 million. I mean, yeah, that's going to, that sort of sucks. But, you know, if I wanted to go down that road, you know, then, you know, I could reach out and go down that road,

but I never had really any interest of going down that road. I'm pretty happy where I am. I guess it's loyalty to me and just the relationships I've created and think about not being able to go to like the Farmers Insurance Open to a beautiful place in La Jolla, California, not to be able to play 16th at the Phoenix Open and get roused on and then, you know, get yelled at it. And then I'm yelling at them because,

they're being idiots and I'm trying to make fun of the fans in the crowd and their buddies are all laughing that I'm chirping back at them and everything and so like that's stuff that I you know that I would miss if I had to go join that lift tour because I don't think that's going to happen you're not going to see the crowds that you see at certain other events you're not going to have that that energy and that just that that that special you know tradition I guess you say it is because you've been going there for so many years and that you know to have so um Yeah, it's an interesting thing. And obviously, as we all know, this isn't going away anytime soon.

Yeah, do you think this inspires change for the PGA tour? Do you think they look at things now differently? I mean, you talk about 47 events and like, do you think now the PGA tour really looks inside their own house and says maybe we do some things in those back, those last, you know, 12 events that nobody plays, those are straight team events. Because we talked to around the last show, nobody really tracks the FedEx points over the year. Like we were alluding to it earlier. Frankie was talking about it just like that season long game.

Nobody has any idea what that is. And so to check in on your guys to see like if they're moving up and down, it'd be interesting. So wondering if you feel like the PGA tour will move at all based on what Liv is kind of trying to do. Yeah, I mean, as you guys know, you guys are close with kids and kids as a player director and he's been on the pack for many years. And I've been on the pack the last two years. So, you know, there is change coming. there's always been change coming. Even before I heard about the PGL, the SGL, the tour had always talked about, you know,

there was going to be an increase in money, you know, coming to the PGA tour, depending on how our TV contracts turned out. So they knew what, you know, they were, you know, if you ask the right questions from the tour, you get the answers that you wouldn't get normally. So I knew there was some change coming with purses and everything else. And yes, some of the stuff we've done is because of Liv to try to counteract that. But, yeah, I think there's going to be changes coming to the PJ Tour. Do I think the changes we may see over the next couple of years is the final changes?

No. I think there's going to be even more drastic changes. And, you know, one thing I've said is that I think we will have a global tour on the PJ Tour. We'll play something like maybe 30 events a year. You know, it would be, you know, maybe like 100 guys or 80 guys, you know, small cut or no cut. You know, and then the guys will be filtered in and out based off, you know, through the corned ferry tour and then whatever the European tour is going to be called, maybe a challenge tour. But I think the DP world and PJ Tour are going to combine, create a world tour, play all over. We're going to have individual events.

We're going to have team events. I think that's the bigger, you know, vision that I see for the tour at some point. I may be wrong. I may be right. But, you know, I'm just looking at everything on the wall and seeing how this doesn't become a global tour, especially when you look at the finances part of it in the sense that the tour asks so much money now to sponsor PJ Tour event. And to continue to ask for more money, you have to give up, you have to give an even better product. You can't keep giving the same product. I mean, if the PJ Tour asked right now, $18 million a sponsor of tournament, and in a couple of years, that's going to be, you know, five years.

that's 25 million. But what is that sponsor? That sponsor is going to make? What else am I getting for? My $7 million more. Yes, I know over time things increases everything, but that's $7 million more. Like you still have the same products.

You still have everything. Like I'm losing now money by giving up $7 million more. So I've got to, I need something in return. And that's, you know, having smaller fields with guaranteed top players, you know, because of a smaller field guaranteed,

you're going to get a better field on a regular basis. Top players are going to play. So then, you know, now your clientele that comes in, you know, you have more clientele and customers come in. They have a great week and they re-up their contracts even more. And so that's where the value comes for there for them. So, you know, that's just what I see. You know, I may be wrong.

I may be right, but, you know, time only tell. That's interesting to hear you say that because we actually last show, we discussed for a while. Like, where is the Tours true value that they're able to get all this money and all this revenue that they're making? and the global tour sort of vision is what I had almost kind of forgotten about because it was going that way pre-pendemic, right? I mean, you guys had the Asian swing through Korea and China, and that was, you know, right before the pandemic in the fall, that was becoming a more and more prominent part of the schedule. It was like a whole month of the schedule was going over there. So it's interesting to hear that because I guess we had almost forgotten about that aspect of it. and that, you know, that's probably going to resume.

I mean, obviously, RBC, they're in Canada again this week for the first time since pre-pendemic. So, you know, with the live, I feel like that has, it's almost gone in a few weeks from my vantage point, from like a laughing stock, a joke, Rory called it dead in the water, to it almost seems inevitable that there will be, whether the lives included or not, but probably will be to some degree, some sort of, you know, collaboration and coming together of of the tours rather than some hardcore combative you know thing because it's just that can't be sustained forever right yeah i you know i don't know how they're going to keep doing you know at some point lives got to turn a profit or or get their return on on money i mean you just don't throw two three billion dollars away and and just oh that's

no big deal i mean yes they they're trillions of dollars and they make a ton of money off their oil and and other exports and everything. But, you know, I just look at it this sense. And, you know, when the PJ Tour goes and plays overseas in the past, and we've gone to Japan and the crowds have been massive. And we've gone to Malaysia and see the support that they get in China and South Korea. And, you know, when, you know, I go and play over in the UK or I've gone and play other places in the world, like people love to see PJ Tour players.

You know, they want to see PJ Tour players because that's what they see on. TV. That's what is broadcasted the most to them. And so, you know, the tour would, and they're not idiots, but they would be idiots if they're not trying to find some way to capitalize on that, on that exposure, on that value, on that excitement, enthusiasm that these fans have when PJ two players go and travel outside the United States. So there is some, some, something's going to happen. You know, like I said, I don't, I, I'm not. I'm not smart enough to figure it all out. And the tour has got some unbelievably smart people there.

And they're going to figure out some way somehow, I think, to just continue to grow. Because I do think our product, the next 10 to 15 years, is going to look completely different than what you see now. And goes to Frankie, what he said, you know, we're not going to see individual tournaments. You know, every event be individual tournaments. You're going to see more a team format and some type of concept. And something go along those lines. going forward with some type of individual component possibly part of it as well so you still have that individual aspect so it's going to be interesting you see i mean this i mean we're it's a

strange unique weird time in the game of golf because there's never been a challenger to the pj tour a true challenger to the pj tour and is the saudi's a true challenger i don't know but in the in the you know the monetary aspect they are in the you know the financial aspect they are a true challenger when you're when you're talking about throwing on two three two and three billion dollars uh around so yeah and i mean they're drawing players right i mean it's is not it's not it's amazing same field that you're playing against but dustin jots it was number one in the world like a year ago he's he's obviously a multi-major winner bryson if it's very much rumored he's going and reports i mean he won the u.s open a year and a half so it's like clearly some of their

Phil is one of the top 10 probably greatest players of all time. So they're clearly drawing some people over there, which, yeah, I mean, I guess that's unprecedented since the PGA of America. It is. It is. It's a long, long, long time ago. So kudos to you being able to win a goddamn golf tournament with all that going on. That's amazing.

You know what? I don't even worry about it. As I said, it doesn't bother me. And, you know, I've told guys, I said, I support them to go play a live tour. You know, I'm not a, as people may not like that I said that, sure. But I mean, like Richard Blaine's become a good friend of mine. And, you know, he qualified for the U.S. Open last year, won his first event ever on a tour in like 400 and something starts. You know, he's been a journeyman his entire life and he's had a great last, you know, 12 months.

And now he's capitalizing on that at 49 years of age. He's got no status on the champions tour so when he turns 50, you can't come over here and play. everyone's younger and getting better and they hit it a mile. And so he knows where he's going. He's going downhill. He's going to be tough for him to compete. So for him to maybe take three or four years and capitalize on what the live can offer him financially and change his lifestyle and his kid's lifestyle going forward,

I mean, that's something that you've got to do. And it's stupid if he doesn't do it. So like I said, it's a unique time. And I wish, I would wish, something like DJ would stay with a PJ tour. I would wish Phil would stay with the PJ tour because Phil's been so instrumental in building the PJ tour

at what it is now. They both have capitalized. I mean, PJ Tour Phil. They both made a lot of money together. You know, and so, you know, I always knew Bryce had issues with the PJ tours. He had issues with the PJ Tour since he stepped up foot on Allen Tour day one.

But, you know, it's sad to see some of these guys that we may not be able to see them play PJ tour events anymore, you know, because I think, you know, they still are really great for the game of golf. It doesn't matter what tour they're playing on. Yeah, it'd be, I mean, it'd almost be irrational to be hating on somebody like you just tried, Richard Blan or somebody like that that's making a decision that's almost,

it's almost obvious that they should be making that decision. Yeah, exactly right. So, yeah, I mean, like I said, I mean, it just, Some of the guys that did make the decision that I'm just very curious, like they didn't need it financially. Like, they're very set. You know, what was their main reason? I mean, was it truly the financial? Was it for other reasons, you know, that we don't know about?

But, you know, yes, I understand the DJ may have got $150 million and that's a lot of money to turn down. But, you know, I mean, yeah, you may be insane to turn it down. But man, there's so much other stuff on the other side if you stayed with the PJ tour. Legacy, winning more tournaments. I mean, there's other stuff that's involved. So, yeah, it's just a tough, tough thing. I mean, like I said, I don't know where to go with it, tell your truth. I do think a lot of people's answer at their core is probably like, yeah, I'm probably not smart enough to answer it perfectly.

It's like we don't know all the geopolitical ramifications and issues and you hear this and that. trying to be as morally sound as you can, but also try to be reasonable. Hey, guys. How you doing? Hey. We've got to get Billy back to family time right now. Yeah, exactly. You're giving us more than enough time.

You know, you know, the other thing, too, is like, and I've told the tour of this for many years now, I said, you know, there's going to come a time where someone's going to come along that has a bigger bank account or has connections to sponsors that can offer, you know, a product like. the PJ tour and give more rewards, whether it be, you know, you pay to pay them a salary or pay them a signing bonus like the lives doing or something else. You know, and so obviously the tour is always known that could happen. I don't know if they thought it would happen and did they think it was going to come from Saudi Arabia. But I mean, what if what if the people who were back in a Lyftur were clean, you know, there was nothing wrong with them? You know, what would happen then? You know, that would be a, you know, an interesting scenario there that there, that there was no geopolitical backlash for going to join that tour.

So, yeah, it's a strange time. I mean, I think, you know, it's a strange time. I read a lot of articles of people in the world bashing players for going because, you know, it's sports washing, it's, you know, it's blood money, whatever they call it. But, I mean, I don't, I don't bash anybody for that. they're making decisions that's for the betterment of themselves and their family in my opinion. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's probably where we've said. What I've said the whole time about this is just a really hard situation.

It's like there's hypocrisy on all different sides. Like how do you think Saudi Arabia has all the money? All these countries are just buying oil from them. So I mean, if you really want to just go like around and around and around, it's just easier to blame the one person that like doesn't take a stand or doesn't become that like, you know, is Dustin Johnson? is supposed to be like a world leader where he's like trying to make change in Saudi Arabia.

I don't know. I mean, probably in a perfect world, we would love for our athletes to be these types of people. But like, like you said, there's a lot of guys in that list that are doing this just because they really just have to. We talked Max Homa when he won this year was like, I remember making $18,000 like my first couple of years on tour. And like, I was just couldn't make any money.

And like, that was a really shitty horrible time in my life. I'm sure it's like mental health was down. and just everything about his life sucked because he gave everything to this game and the game gave him nothing back. And all of a sudden someone's like, here's a golden ticket. I know it's coming from a weird bad place

and we probably shouldn't be doing it. But you know what? There's guys that are going to take it. And it's just like it's the way the world works. You know, exactly right. And I guess the only thing that I say, and I'm not saying it's right or wrong or condoning it.

But, you know, where are all these riders? Why don't they look at like the U.S. companies that do business with Saudi Arabia. Like no one, I haven't seen an article written about all the companies that do business with Saudi Arabia and make money off of that. And all the government does it do business? I mean, where does it stop? I mean, you know, why is, why are the golfers the first one that really be taking the hit?

You know, there's been companies in governance and people doing business with them for years and years. And now, now it's the golfers. I mean, F1, not to hop on F1, but. F1 was there. You know, no one seemed to bash the F1 drivers. I mean, there was a couple articles, but, you know, they have boxing matches there and soccer teams go there and train and all this other stuff. So I'm not condoning anything, but it's just funny. Like, I just, I'm just talking as a golfer that. Why are we the ones that are taking the blunt of everything right now

when, you know, this has been going on for years. And I just don't agree. Yeah, totally. Yeah, I think it's interesting also on like the side of, like Greg Norman, what he's done. And like, I don't think he's done a perfect job managing kind of the live tour in general. We all make mistakes, you know, Lurch. That's right. We do all make mistakes. We'll see what happened.

A couple big ones over there on that side of the pond. But, I mean, it is what it is. Like, it's like, Greg Norman's in a weird fucking spot. Oh, yeah. I can't imagine. We always say, like, what his text messages look like. It's just like eye emojis. Like, where are you at?

Like, just like, oh. He's not sleeping well. I mean, where I'm at, it's like almost 2 a.m. in the morning, but he hasn't slept to wink in the last couple months. No, no, it's been weird. Anyways. But, dude, this has been unbelievable, dude. This was awesome. Honestly, from, like, what we expected this to be, you know, we all have our group texts.

It's like, oh, Billy's coming on the show. Like, oh, shit, this is going to be something. You know, and honestly, a shout out to Brett because it had Brett McCabe not really, I mean, we spent the whole weekend with him. And had he not really just set it up to be like, dude, like, you're not, this isn't going to be anything. It's going to, he's going to be like, he calls you the most misunderstood guy on tour. And I think that's a perfectly way, perfect way to put you, whether that be like by self harm of like you being misunderstood because we all just see you on TV once in a while throwing your club or we're getting mad. That's one thing. Or maybe you just like need to come on more podcast because now people finally see who you are.

I think this couldn't have gone any better. I honestly think that you're just like a down-to-earth regular dude. We didn't scream at each other. We don't want to murder each other. I'd love to, like, you know, I like, yeah, I just, I think this went great. So I really want to appreciate, I really appreciate you coming on. I want to thank you for the time. And we have to get a match going is what we have to do.

And then I hope you bring that fire in that match. Like, I want to see, like, Billy Horshaw fucking getting angry when we are like, we're up three through six against him. Yeah, you want the real thing. Want the real thing. Forties in the pocket. I'll see if I can bring that. Oh, you have to bring it.

You have to bring it. Billy, we appreciate it, man. Thank you for taking the time. It's been an hour and a half. I know you got family to get to. We talked about them pretty much everything. So you're the man. We appreciate it.

You're just, I think you're one of our guys now. So, you know, we appreciate it. Thanks, guys. Thank you. Thanks, Bill. Have a great night. Thanks, Chuck. See you.

See you. See you, man. Thank you. My pleasure. Good luck in the U.S. You guys going to be there? Yeah. Yeah, we'll be up there.

We'll be there Monday through Wednesday. Okay. See you guys out there then. We'll see out there. Sounds great. Don't have squirrel. But if you need squirrels, I'll get a box of them for you. Let us know.

If you hit one on the way, just tell us. We'll break a squirrels. Sounds good. I'll say, hey, I hit it on this street, on this time, you know, make sure you're there. You know. We'll lock it down. Honestly, no part of it. Just put a dead squirrel.

It could be the same squirrel as yesterday. Just put it right there, the same thing. I was running over again. That's a smart guy. That's the thinking man. We'll preserve it. If we want to be smart, like gamblers, we'll see if Billy gets off to a really good start, we find out his route to the golf course, and then we start putting, like, construction sites on the way there.

We're wearing, like, construction has to be like, oh, you guys got to go over here. We're doing a detour today. He's going to be like, no, I got to get down that street. Exactly right. I was like, what are you talking about? I mean, I've got to go that way. I've got to go that way. Oh, man.

Awesome. All right. Thanks again, dude. Thanks, Billy. See him, boss. Yeah. Yeah. Bye.