Fore Play - Brian Baumgartner on The Office, & Jon Rahm Called Us Out?

Episode Date: July 21, 2020

Poor Trent is ill and misses the show. RIP. Brian Baumgartner (61:52), known widely as Kevin from The Office, joins the show to talk golf matches, filming The Office, and time tell all kinds of behind the scenes stories. In Headlines we breakdown A LOT from the Memorial: Rahm wins while taking a penalty, Tiger returns, Phil conducts classic Phil antics, Bryson records a 10, the course stands strong and much more!You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

Hey, 4Play listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcast, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. We've got Frankie. We've got Lurch, and we do not have Trent. Trent, actually, for the entire history of this show, which I don't know that people know this, but Trent always claps. We always start the show. And back to when he and I used to just do this, we had Robbie Fox is our producer. We've had a bunch of her producer.

We got Jake. We got Brennan. Trent would always clap to begin the show. It gives the audio, you know, the big jump in the audio. And that's where we started. Well, Frankie just clap because Trent, our good friend, Trent, sent a text a few minutes ago that said, this is going to sound crazy. But I don't know if I can do the podcast.

I've got the worst headache of my life. And I feel like I'm going to puke my guts out. I think I got way too much sun today. I feel horrible. I feel really bad for Trent. I hope he's well. So people maybe tweet get well soon at Trent or something, but I hope he's okay. Yeah, I was just in the car with Daddy Trent.

So hopefully he doesn't have the big C, number one. I know we're all thinking it. Headaches and he feels run down. Now, I will say Trent has been living in his apartment and inside a confined area for the past three months. And then today he was out just on a putting green for four straight hours, just absolutely fucking baking in the same. sun with not much water and even the water that we had was lukewarm so i really do think that um the sun may have gotten to him my driving may have been a little hectic today he said he was a

little nauseous in the car so i think trent will be all right he'll lay down he'll get a cold shower he says he's going to lay in the shower and just let the water hit him the cold water hit him so i think i think tren will be okay it is weird to not have trent daddy on the pod i feel i feel like he probably hasn't missed many if any right like is this like his first one yeah you know If you go back, I don't know how long he and I have been doing this thing, but hundreds and hundreds of episodes. And I, maybe a few interviews. Like we did one where, yeah, maybe like two or three total.

Yeah. It's funny that he's out for the podcast because of the sun when I just blatantly I'm getting hunched into the ground by the sun. I mean, the sun tried to kill me this weekend. I got a little too big for my britches. I went to the beach. I brought this pasty by it to the beach on Saturday and Sunday, and I really thought I could go against it.

I wore a hat, and then I got into the ocean, and I guess I didn't realize that I should have put some stuff on my face when I went in the ocean, maybe wiped off because it was too quick. And I'm just a fucking cherry tomato. I said today at the classic, someone was like, you look horrible. I said, just garnish me on some pasta. Put those little tomatoes on top, put a little basil around me. And I'm just a cherry tomato.

I mean, it's bad. It's really. Yeah. And you got the whole, like, the safari hat going on, the huge bucket safari hat. And then, like, your current coloring and it's, like, all pitch black, dark. And then you're just, your face is shiny red. Like, it's got, like, it's almost like all the oily, red, sunny stuff is, like, reflecting the light, the little bit of light that's in your room.

And it just, you look ridiculous, right? I've got to see Dave Portnoy tomorrow when this comes out and that's like horrifying. You can't look weird or off when you see Dave. It's just something that, especially if you pick him up in that hat? I think I'm going to pick him up in this hat.

I think I have to go all in. I'll wear the sunglasses. I want to show as little much of my body as I can tomorrow because like we're a duo. We're a team. We're hitting pizza reviews. We're going around the area. I can't look like.

I mean, I'm going to look ridiculous regardless, but if someone sees knee roll up, they're going to think I'm like, I got to go to a hospital. So, mimic Zuckerberg. You should just go with that look and cover yourself with like zinc. It's the right time to do it. Yeah. I'm jealous of Zuckerberg because yes, he looked like an absolute weirdo, but number one, he's got a huge ass. Just just pulling a wagon. And number two, he's just

completely protected. He's so protected. Yeah, you might have to pull that off. We have Brian Baumgartner from the office. He's Kevin from the office. We have him on this show. And that's one of my favorite interviews are never done largely because I think we're all, I think everyone on earth at this point is a diehard office fan. I don't know who isn't. I don't know who hasn't watched the entire series start to finish 10 times, 15 times. Feel like everyone has done that. It's become everyone's default show for falling asleep for you know Netflix and chilling for a decade now and to have someone who by the way speaks so passionately so knowledgeably about the office and the behind the scenes and yeah of course he's knowledgeable like he's cabby he was there he Brian Bobb but also

like he clearly was conscious and paying attention and it meant a lot to him and he talks we you know we get into golf when he's a huge he's like a seven-handy cap he's very much a you know he's got the golf bug he played in the american citric he plays in all these different things uh from a golf standpoint so we get into that but we really get into the office kind of the behind the scenes the way it was filmed he tells anecdotes and stories from certain episodes and from the beginning because they've got the podcast and oral history of the office so uh this was one of those you know when his face popped up and we started chatting and he started telling stories about the office.

One of those sort of holy shit moments for me, just interviewing this guy start to finish. Yeah, I said it was almost the same sort of giddiness I had as when, like, we knew Tiger was walking up to us. It's not the same because, like, it's Tiger Woods and you may never. Well, actually, it is that same. Like, I never thought I'd talk to or see Kevin Malone. Like, I thought he just only existed inside my TV on my favorite TV.

Like, the fact that he popped up in the Zoom is laugh out loud funny. I know that's another word that we've been using. It's a hot word. I think that may need to be added to the kitty or whatever we call. Somebody said we should add legit to the kitty. Legit and laugh out loud funny. Like laugh out loud funny is a weird one that we keep saying. But it is like it is a good way to explain how funny it is like that you actually audibly get like laugh out loud.

But I'm going to try and avoid that one because I feel like I've been saying that a lot. It's like a crutch word recently. But it is when you text someone and someone says like LOL, it's obviously laugh out loud. but if someone says to you're like, no, no, I legit laugh that loud. It adds a little something. Like you actually did make them laugh. It carries more weight.

Yeah. Like, oh, it was kind of funny. Good job. But like, no, no, I legit laughed out loud. Yeah. And that moment happens like when a guy like Brian Baumgartner comes on the screen, you're like, holy shit, this dude's about to like respond to me. I can speak to him.

I can talk to Kevin Malone. And he's so knowledgeable, like you said, and he's so into it. And I actually went back and. listen to his podcast after, which I probably should have before because I want to tell him how fucking good it is. An oral history of the office, his new podcast, I think I'm assuming there's more to come. I think maybe it comes out on Tuesdays. So I think there are only three episodes in.

I crushed all three episodes in one sitting. It is must-listen stuff. He dives into stuff that you wouldn't even know happen with the office. Like it was the lowest rated TV show of all time when it was testing. Like people gave it like a 0.1 out of 10. They're like, this show's never going to exist. you're never going to make it. Look at this thing.

Like, they're shooting it with one camera. This guy, Steve Gorell, like we should have this guy in there. No one likes it. It was incredible to listen to. And it's highly edited. Like,

I haven't really heard a podcast that. I'm not like, I'm not kidding. I think it's one of the best podcasts I've listened to it. It's really good. I haven't listened to it yet, but that's a big endorsement.

I'm pretty jacked up now. Yes. Yeah, I want to listen to that. And also when he was talking about reflecting with Rayne Wilson, like I just would love hear the two of them talk. Because,

yeah, we only get like a half hour for these interviews because, you know, they got a schedule to get other things to do. There's so much more to talk to him because when he was talking about like the ratings and how they're at the bottom of totem pole, I so much just wanted to ask like when like going through that at what moment or was there a moment where you felt like, oh no, we made it. Like we're breaking through.

And I'm super excited to listen to that podcast because I feel like they'll get into some of that. It's super reflective about where they were and obviously where it is now because it's just so massive. Yeah, wait until you get to the part where they're talking about their auditions. And, like, Jim, like, so, like, John Krasinski walks in. He's like, there's 10 gyms sitting down all high-fiving each other. Like, they just killed the audition.

I'm sitting there like, well, this fucking sucks. Like, I just don't have, like, I don't get it. And then, like, very interesting. Like, they all knew Jenna Fisher was going to be the one. So whoever, whichever Jim got to work with Jenna Fisher, like, they knew that, like, maybe he would be the one. And, and, and, and Krasinski wasn't getting called with Jenna Fisher. so he's like, oh, shit, like it's over. Like, it's not it.

Very interesting stuff. But yeah, just go listen to it. I don't want to spoil a lot of it. It's really good. Really, really good. It is. It's a really good interview. It was fun.

And it was one of those, like, sometimes we do interviews where while the person's speaking, a lot of times I'm focused on, like, how can I ask a next question? How can we move this to this next? Whereas, like, as he spoke, as Brian spoke, as Kevin Malone spoke, it was, I listened to to every word. And a lot of times even when he was done speaking, I wasn't ready to have a next thing to ask because I was like,

oh, I didn't even think about the fact that we're going to get to a next part because I was so focused on what you were saying, and I was so interested in the behind the scenes and the way that it shot and the chemistry between different actors versus different characters. So it's really, really, really good. That's coming up in a few minutes.

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you're going to have it. So thank you to Owens. Go check it out. I love the transfusion. Okay. Atlantic City, Barcelona Classic today. We had a great time. Our friend Link's Gems qualified. He and his partner shot five under. They tied for sixth place. So Link's Jims is going to be making his way to the Barstall Classic Championship. He shot, he shot, he, he took photographs of the championship last year. Now he gets the play out this year. So big shout to our friend John Cavalier, Lake's gems. And then all of our friend

who we've all played golf with BD, Brian Davis, him and his brother, Brendan, from Fiddler's Elbow, which is a really cool spot, qualified as well. So big credence to them. Grats to everybody else that was there. Really gorgeous golf course that we played today. Lurch, I know you've played it a bunch of times, right?

I've only actually played it once. I was supposed to play it twice, but couldn't make it the second time. But yeah, it's a great golf course. Fronts pretty difficult. And then second is almost is more targety, but you can certainly score just with some like holes that sneak along the marsh there. It's a beautiful track. Greens are slippery, but it's a hell of a golf course.

And today I was down there. And it was just, it was hot. It was far too hot. It was hot. Got out Trent feel better. I didn't get to speak on that. But I'm thinking of you, bud, and I hope you recover with some water and some alo. But it's hot and it's buggy.

And the bugs down there are, yeah, horseflies, but they're like, they're birds. They might as well be birds these things flying. Those are the fucks that got me in Delaware. I was playing Delaware. The golf course, like Baywood and Green gave me a hat, a white hat. And then by the end of the day, I had blood all over the white part of the hat. Because these things were actually attacking the bottom of my hat and my ears. And I'd swat them.

And then they explode on you. Well, no, those are mosquitoes. No, they were horseflies because I asked. I said, what nightmare do you have on the 12th hole? this golf course and they said that's just those are just horse flies. Hold on. This is the way that you smacked a horsefly

and it just didn't turn into blood like a mosquito. I'm telling you, bro. You're telling you these horseflies are sucking your blood? No. Yeah, they were sucking my blood, man. I'm telling you. Lurch, these fucking the green

head flies here, they draw blood. So it could have been something similar. It could have been the same. thing because they say the flies here when they hit you, people are bleeding. People's legs are bleeding from this fly. He felt like someone pinched him with a needle. Yikes.

So trick for you, mosquitoes are slow, right? You can smack your arm, no big deal. You kill them. Yeah. These things much tougher to kill. So if it's on your leg, you shouldn't try to smack down on it. You should actually clap right above it. And you get it every time.

So instead of you smack in your face, if it's by your ear, just clap right next year, you'll get it. Because it has to take off and leave, so you just take that whole airspace away from it. It's actually genius. There's no fucking way that works. It's foolproof.

Sounds pretty good. It's terrific. I will say, I'm trying to buy a hole in that. Where you're the idiot, clap in your head, trying to kill a bug. You're just like, if it's right there, boom, clap. dead. It almost makes me think we're all fucking morons. We haven't thought of that before.

Like, they're just too fat. They were really bad. You kind of like just bat them away and then they fly and they know their friends are like, oh, this guy's not a clapper. Let's go bite that idiot and a yarn shirt over there because he doesn't clap. They don't come at me because they all just clap right above him. So they tell their friends, don't bite lurch. I actually don't think I got bit today because of radiating so much heat that they felt uncomfortable. to be. You were.

So they couldn't penetrate it. 102 on the surface. Their natural instincts was like, that's just too hot. We had links gems there. We had Rico Bosco was in the mix. Barso Classic. And we also had that guy, Joshua Kelly, who's hole in one trick shots. I actually was like fanboying around that guy a little bit.

Just because I followed him on Instagram for the past, I don't know, three, four years. It's been a while I've been following this guy. And I've just been used to watching, all of his content. I think he's fantastic of what he does. I think he's the best in the world at Trickshots. It's crazy how good he is. And I just

find all of his stuff to be super interesting. I mean, I share pulling one trick shot stuff with my buddies all the time. It's just like I find him to be phenomenal. So meeting him today was almost, I was like, hey, I'm a big fan of you, man. He's like, oh, we're a big fans of you. It was weird. I feel like an asshole because I didn't, I didn't

follow the guy. He tagged us in something, and I had seen some of his stuff or whatever, but I just, I wasn't following him and then he played and was he was like hey anytime you guys are around if you if we could play with you were huge i was like bro you have like 300 something thousand followers on instagram what you talk why fan of me what are you talking about the club champion at at at alenic city country club yeah he's pretty fucking good he's a really good player his go watch his videos man i mean he puts them up every day so probably it's like quantity over quality where

it's like not every single one goes viral but like once every week i feel like one of his or on ESPN or on Barstool, main Instagram, or something. Like, we're putting them up. I mean, he did that one during quarantine where he hit the Tiger Woods video game into the Xbox with a wedge. That was him? Yes.

He, like... That's a good video. He chipped the game into the fucking system, and it turned on. It actually went into the game. I mean, he... That was a good video. He's...

And you know what I want to ask him one day? Is, like, if you're that good, you're a club champion, you're that good with a wedge, You can do anything. Watch this guy, like, hit, like, he does, like, tour. He'll go to, like, country clubs or, like, golf outings and do shows. He has a mic and stuff, and he'll, like, balance on a ball and hit, like, long drives and stuff.

And I wonder, like, if you're that fucking good with a stick with a golf club in hand, like, at what point did he stop pursuing trying to become, like, a pro? Like, he's got to be a plus handicap at this point. I don't know what it said on the card today, but, like, I mean, the guy's fucking, the club champion at an elite country club, like, in AC. He's a clearly very good play. but there's just people, man, that are just really good at getting the ball in the hole and some just as good as they are.

They're just not as good at it. And it's so hard to go pro. There's guys, you follow this Monday qualifier stuff. Like, these fuckers go out and shoot 64, 65 on this Monday, and they don't qualify. They can't get into the tournament shooting those numbers. Yeah, that's crazy. Okay. We got a lot of golf to talk about.

We got a lot from the Memorial tournament. John Rom wins. fourth PGA tour event, number one in the world. Crazy finish. I mean, he vaulted Saturday ahead of everyone else. I didn't watch much of it. I was driving all over the goddamn country. I drove 10 hours from Pioneers back to New York City and then we drove down to Atlantic City. But wins a tournament, assessed a two-stroke penalty, which became a very interesting kind of controversy because they implemented the new rule, which is essentially you can't be assessed. to penalty for something because some asshole can simply zoom in on HD super slow-mo television,

see an infraction, and then penalize you for this infraction that is impossible to detect by the naked eye. That's just not fair. And it's not fair to those who are on television significantly more. So someone like Tiger Woods or Rory or Bryson at this point has a significantly higher chance of being penalized if people can just fucking look on their television, on their HD, zoom in, penalize you, call in, penalize you. So they got rid of the rule that changed it to where if it's like only detectable by HD, all that stuff, then it's not penalizable. So this one was interesting because a lot of folks were debating.

Ron puts his wedge down behind the ball. Clearly, when they do zoom in, it moves. it's it moves but you can't really tell does it move with the grass does it move its own location you can't does it actually change locations or does like the grass move a little bit so the ball kind of just like went up and down slightly you couldn't really tell um anyways he holds the fucking chip on 16 calls it he said we'll probably go down as my greatest chip shot i don't know if i'll ever top that because he was leaking oil he was leaking oil at the time he was he was gonna fucking blow it you just felt it like

something was happening. He was 12 under, 11 under. He had a seven-stroke lead at one point. Then it was a three-stroke lead. Like, whoa, like, Rahm is fucking around and going to lose this thing. Somehow, some way. He may make a bogey. I don't know.

And you just felt it. And then when you're watching that on Sunday, on that hole, and you don't think in a million years he's making a two there. You think he's making a four. You're like, he's going to blade this thing over the top. He's going to miss the next butt. And we're back at it. Like, we're even more.

And this is a – And then he puts that. in like that was one of those whoa when you're watching it type moments where you actually audibly say something to the TV. You think if he was notified that it was a penalty in the moment

what happens to Ron? Oh, fucking head tape that he is. Oh God, he loses for sure. I think yeah, I think like whoever informs him of that, they fucking when they're they find that guy, you know, that guy's corpse underneath one of those new

greens that they were just remodeling at the end of this whole thing because he would have lost his fucking mind. But instead, you're right, he holds out. He's all jazzed up, huge fist pump, and then he's able to, you know, make his way into the clubhouse thinking he's got a four-shot victory. Turns out he doesn't find out until afterwards that they did penalize him. They penalized him for, you know, the ball moving, him causing his ball to move by laying the club behind the ball.

And he gets penalized. Now, even folks are still debating whether or not he should have been penalized. I think it's kind of bullshit. I mean, I don't know that, like, right? Like, if he couldn't detect it in real time, which he didn't detect it in real time, it's sort of difficult then to assess the penalty. So it was kind of a, it was kind of an iffy one. You wonder if it's, if it would have changed the outcome of the tournament,

if it is someone like Tiger Woods, is there some sort of different ruling, does any of that seep in? There was a lot of slugger white action going on, which is funny because we fucking talked about him the last show a good amount. Right away at the beginning of the coverage on Thursday, there he is in an amazing shot behind Justin Thomas, I think it was, where he's got the walkie-talkie, the hat.

He's like looking over the corner, like he's just keeping an eye on everything. So a lot of good slugger white stuff. But the ruling, kind of stupid in my opinion, I don't know what you guys thought about the actual ruling. It's just so tricky because I can't agree with you enough on the fact that like when the camera's moving down and he like puts his wedge behind it like does it fall does it like move a little bit with

the grass or is it just that you're taking the grass down a little bit right and so does the visual change i will say the only thing that made me like pause or be like did he know was because his setup now usually is pretty consistent he like drops the wedge and then he comes back and the ball moves and then there's like a little pause and he goes back to it so that's my only thing where if his process changed it all, like, did he know it all? Now, in his post-game interview or post-game interview or whatever, it didn't seem like he did. And it's tricky. And I don't know if I, if my call, I don't agree with the ruling because it wasn't stated by him. And so, like, unless he loses that ability for trust, then I think you got to give it to him because it was only addressed

because it was on TV. And so I don't agree with the ruling there. But it is what it is. And I think, yeah, I think if he knows in real time, if Slugger runs up to him and goes, no, no, no, no, that's a two-stroke penalty. I think he implodes and I don't think he, I don't think he. Yeah.

Tough for me to comment, especially with my bunker episode, that went, you know, many viral in the foreplay world. But these guys play by different rules than us. So I'm always going to take this stuff with a grain of salt. Like I don't agree with half the, things that they have to deal with in a PGA tour event. I mean, I don't play that style of golf. I really, I mean, if we're talking about the oscillation of a ball,

when you put the fucking wedge down and it may move downwards a little bit, that's crazy to me. I think that maybe he was looking up as he's, like, setting up and he never looked down, like you were saying, Riggs and Lurch, like maybe he couldn't assess it himself. At the end of the day, it doesn't affect the way the ball, like, if anything, if that thing keeps moving down and back, like he's giving himself almost like a worse lie. It's like getting deeper into the grass.

So like he's not helping himself in any way. He's not trying to advance the ball or tee it up or fluff it up. Like at what point like you guys are saying, do they just get rid of that and then be like the only way we're able to get this is if we watch it on TV. So that can't be a rule. How often do you think that happens in the PGA tour where guys are just on the other side of the rough

where the cameras on this side, you can't see anything. and they put their club right behind the ball in the thick rough, and it probably moves all the time. I tend to say 50% of the time when these guys put the ball in the rough. It's making some sort of moving. 50% of the time? What are these fucking cameras zoomed in on these balls to the megapixel?

You guys can play a golf their whole life? You think 50% of the time they're moving the ball when they go to the gym? If you put the club behind the ball in the rough, it's going to move in some fashion. It has to. That's just the way physics works. You're like, you're literally putting something behind it, and the blades of grass are going to move. It may not rotate, like the penalty would happen, but it's got to move a little bit. It has to.

Yeah, I mean, I think, like, when I play, I would say it moves one out of every, like, 50 times. Like, if you're playing, like, just a-50. One out of every 50, I would say. Come on, bro. If you put your iron, like, in the rough, it might, like, fall down, like, just like that. That's my point. I think that that happens all the time, but I think that's what this was. It was zoomed in and slowed down.

That even seems too high, but like, yeah, but that even speaks to the moony with uneven like crabgrass than it does speak to like this. I just think if you zoom in on a hundred times zoom and you slow it down in slow motion, you're going to see some sort of movement. I think half the time. Half the ball moves ever. I'll never say, I'm not saying that the ball moves ever. I just think that if you zoomed in all the time,

I think that ball would go from where it is to maybe a millimeter down because the blade of grass behind it. Okay. All right. All right. I'm starting to agree with you more. You're saying if you could like legit, yeah, one million to be a second. Yes. But this is like to tell me that every single time a professional golfer addresses that ball, that ball doesn't move a millimeter.

I'm talking with a microscope. And if my point is true on that. then you can't assess this penalty ever because the only reason he's getting caught is because it's on camera zoomed in. Yeah, I think your point. Almost tucked yourself into a win here, so I'm going to applaud you for that. Yeah, I agree. I agree.

I don't know that your brain originally had a decent point, but I think somehow in this weird world, it's almost the law of large numbers that you've done so poorly talking yourself out of stuff that you finally got lucky ones and talked into something. But I do. That was well done. That's a pretty good job. But I think if you can say the same thing, too, about mark your ball on the green.

Like, no one, in theory, no one has ever in the history of the world replaced their ball in the exact same spot on the green, like ever. Like, I think that's physically an impossibility. Like, there's just no fucking way. So, right. So that's, like, kind of the same argument. Then what are we doing here? Like, it's close enough.

Fine. Nobody thinks you're, like, gaining an advantage. So what's the difference? So, yeah, I think, like, arguing, my point is, I think amazingly you argued a good point here. Yeah, I think it was honestly perfect. Everything kind of beginning, middle, was awful, but your clothes was spectacular.

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They burned it out because they were blowing up the entire course. They actually blew up the course right after the final group just came through on each hole. There was footage of them just ripping up the greens because there was renovating Mearfield Village. So the course is playing very, very, very difficult, which is great for a lot of people, you know, Matthew Fitzpatrick, one of our guys, said on our show that he loves when courses play difficult. He loves majors.

He plays better in those times. Anyways, the course was playing tough. So Tiger, although he did not host good scores, I think he finished six over part for the whole week, he was tied for 40. He had a couple days where it was very obvious that he did not feel healthy. He did not feel 100%. He said that afterwards. He said very clearly, like, yep, nope, I was tight.

My back didn't feel good. There's going to be days and there's going to be weeks. and that just simply happens. It's very concerning because he's been off for fucking five months. What's it back crackling? What's crackling here? I think it may be rigged. Something's crackling.

All right. We're talking about Tiger Woods. My mic started crackling, so we fixed it now. I'm back. Point is, very concerning that our friend Tiger Woods has a situation happening where he just took five months off and clearly had a few days when he should be as rest that he's ever fucking been, where he could. even really play golf. He said he couldn't rotate, it couldn't swing, you stiff, all this, that.

Very concerning overall, I would say, going forward that he's not going to be able to every weekend he tees it up and decides to play to just be able to pretty much go after. Yeah, before we get into Tiger Woods thing, I just kind of pause because we've tried so many different things to have this audio perfect. We had like a little webinar on like what settings to go on. You simply just nothing worked and you just connected to your computer. And this is by far and away the best connection we've ever had beyond. I mean, not even close. Dude, I've done the snowball fucking mic I bought.

I got AirPods that I use, all this stuff. And the best thing that works is I do nothing. Right. Right. So that's just amazing. But that being said, yeah, Tiger, it's very concerned because he can't, it's not an on-off switch. It doesn't seem anymore where he's on and he can be full bore, full go, fully healthy. he just looked, he didn't look like, you know, the Tiger Woods of old.

And I think he just flip-plop. I was just looking at scores. He went 71-76, 71-76. And, you know, the good was so good. When he started out, and after day one, I mean, I was like, oh, he's going to be at the top of the leaderboard and probably win this thing. And then halfway through the round of day two, I thought, oh, shoot, he's not going to make the cut. And there's going to be literally no weekend.

Just canceled the point. and then he snuck in there and played okay. But, yeah, I think the biggest thing for concern is that, I mean, you know, each day that goes by, Tiger's one day older. And I think that body's just wearing down a little bit. Did you guys see that quote that he said? I don't know if you said that before when you were crackling, but it came out of my crackling.

Don't talk about that crack. And someone said, how are you doing with the aging? It's a challenge. And heat and Tiger Woods response. that aging is not fun. Early on in my career, I thought it was fantastic because I was getting better and better and better. And now I'm just trying to hold on.

So, I mean, that's a gut punch right to the fucking... That is. That's a sternum shot. That's one that just kills you. Tiger Woods saying that he's over the hump and it's all about just hanging on to whatever he has left as opposed to when he was younger, wanting to get older because he knew the older he got,

the better he got, is maybe the most... is the most human I've felt in my whole life. Like, I know at any moment I could die now. Do you think that's just going to be on the welcome black now in Murfield Village? Like, Jack's so excited by that quote alone that his tournament has worn him down, but it just puts that in terms of like the welcome gate. Dude, this fucking guy, he's so, he's so confusing, Tiger. And if Jack does put that at the Welcome Gate, I'll burn Mirfield to the ground.

And I did actually a little shout out to the behind the greens, we need to bring back. But I saw one tweet where somebody was like, hey, quick question, did twice as many deer impaled themselves this last two weeks because they played Mirfield back to back weeks? And I thought that the animal control should be on the case because that's, that could be a serious problem in Ohio. But Tiger Woods is so fucking confusing. Win some masters. And then you're thinking like, oh my God, we can win every major from here on out forever and ever and ever. And then he's really was pretty shit the rest of the year. And then he takes them up, then just appears in Japan and just wins.

And you're like, oh, shit, okay. And then he goes to the president's company. He's the best player of the president's coverage, the best players in the world. Best player by far. Yet one of those days he just sat himself for two fucking rounds on Saturday, despite the fact there was a ton of golf we played. And then he basically takes the rest the whole spring off

and played a couple events, then didn't play a bunch of the events that we thought he was going to play because he needed to rest, even though he'd been resting the whole time. Then he comes in the charity, the Skins event that they did. Looked amazing. a fairway, striping the golf ball, confident as can be. Then he comes out here. First round looks great. Second round looks horrible. Third round looks fine. Fourth round looks. So this guy's just confusing the hell out of me.

And I guess it probably is just the old age thing, which I don't like. But he just is so confusing. It's such an emotional roller coaster foul on this guy and believing that he's the greatest thing to ever grace sport. He is. It's just now at this age, this tiger is very up and down roller coaster type. with his health, with his back. I mean, watching him on Friday was like watching an old man try and walk. Like, it's almost like when you're playing, like, ping pong with your dad or something. And you don't want him to keep bending down and get the ball. Like, he's very gingerly walking around, like wincing and like, like, ah,

like I should just be sitting down watching TV right now. You know, you don't want him out there fucking hitting golf balls, 330 yards. It's almost like unhealthy. That's what it looked like on Friday. Every swing almost made me. go like, oh, look at Tiger out there. This is bad. I don't want to see him like that. But then, like you said, he makes the cut. He actually fires up like two birdies out of his last three holes and was absolutely dialed in at the end of Friday. Comes out Saturday, like was

playing around par and like was fine up and down, making birdies coming out, hitting long putts. I mean, it is, it is what it is at this point. This is just the Tiger Wood you have to live with. And I don't, I watched him this week, very nerve-wracking watching him. But then I also haven't lost hope that he'll just come back based off that schedule that you just said like that timetable of what he's done the last year he could still come out and win the u.s open like that wouldn't even surprise me so it's all about him staying healthy i think jack's places even though he's won a ton in ohio i think at this point there's there's so much bad blood and tension between jack and tiger that no one even talks about and knows i think jack probably did things like where like to his room

and his bed and his springs and all that stuff who knows how far jack will go at this point to preserve all the possible, like, records and things that he wants to keep Tiger exactly where he is right now, as long as he's kicking. And I think he'll stop at nothing to do that. Yeah, I agree. He's even, you know, he's, he's trying to draw sympathy from people with the whole COVID thing. And it's like, you know, like, okay, million. Like, COVID, like, what is that to me? Can we get a fact check on that? Like, I think, come on. Isn't that? wiping people out, like 80 years old and older? Like, I mean...

Yeah, it's like, you know, it's five months later now, and we're just kind of hearing about this on the coverage while Tiger's not looking as best. So that whole thing was a little bit, it was a little overdone, in my opinion. I was like, all right, Jack, like fucking move over. I've been saying that a lot recently. Like, oh, yeah, I had COVID in November.

This thing got... This thing was over here in November. It's like, you know, you just had the cold. Like, it didn't really get here until February. I fucking hate when people say that. I think I had it in November. It wasn't invented. It's some, like, weird fucking lab over there until December.

What are you talking about? So the whole thing with Jack, I've had enough of Jack, to be completely honest with you. And this week there was a lot of them. He made comments about the distance, which I do kind of enjoy when he takes jazz. But I still don't love when he does the whole, like, I've been saying this since, you know, the 70s. And it's like, well, I mean, come on. Like, you were the biggest distance. He was the biggest distance guy on earth.

He was hitting the ball when he came out. and he was hitting the ball way far than everybody else. And so now it's all of a sudden, like I've been saying, preaching this forever because he clearly doesn't like Bryce Nees-Cambeau, who's coming out hitting absolute missiles, 380, 420 yards. So Jack's a little bit, he's a little bit kind of, when you get this much Jack on a weekend like this, and you don't get the whole thing culminating with Tiger being able to stand taller than Jack

and shake his hand at the end, like thanks again buddy for allowing me to get a little bit closer here that's really leaves a bad taste in my mouth and it left a bad taste in my mouth this week with jack and tiger in the way everything went down also how cocky is he to like rip up the greens as the tournaments going on to make it harder like the greens were being ripped up mid tournament but then his like dude what are we doing he i know this is for the show his quote wasn't no this isn't to make it harder it's just to make the course better it's like i mean whatever like can we wait until tomorrow like what are we doing here i think fouled at one point was like jack like that's one of the

playoff holes like you're going to make it really hard now like i mean come on it was outrageous so there's just no need to do that this golf course that no one can play this week and i mean like obviously there's a lot of low scores but like on majority the majority of the guys had a lot of trouble like this course that is historically very difficult i'm about to make more difficult and you're going to watch me do it as the tournament's going on i'm going to rip up the green and re put resurface it. Frankly, that kind of makes me think of something that you should resurface your skin with.

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wouldn't like break 80 at Memorial this past weekend. I saw Polter say that as well. Yeah. Was that Polter that said that? Polter. It was Polter. I thought Rahm said that. I think Rom said it,

but I also think Polter said it because I saw Frankie's tweet, so I just trusted Frankie that he saw it. Well, I think Polter, like, responded to the tweet and said that they wouldn't break 80 or something like that. Yeah, I got tagged in a polter tree. These guys would dust you, and I was just like, Poulter, like, we would dominate you. He doesn't block me yet.

I'm surprised I still haven't gotten the block. But, yeah, I mean, I don't know. I think that's crazy. I think we've proven that no matter how hard the golf course is, like we can shoot pretty fucking low scores. Like, Piner's number two is arguably, I know it's not near the conditions that Mirfield Village was in because, like, this was rolling, like, a fucking hard U.S. Open at this point this week with the rough was insane.

But Pioneer No. 2 has the length. It's got the crazy greens. And we were under par. And you don't think we're going to shoot an 80? Come on, John Rom or Polter, whoever it is. Or that, whatever. I mean, I think that's insane. And also, like, challenge us.

Let's go. He said, I believe that it says John Rom said that, that he would challenge a group of four scratch club champions in a scramble likely wouldn't break par in the same conditions the players faced Saturday at Memorial. Okay, okay, so he said four scratch club champs and a scramble wouldn't break par or 80? Is that what he said, wouldn't break 80? Wouldn't break par. Okay, so then Polter wrote four club champs wouldn't break 80.

What an idiot. And I got tagging. We club champs, but I bet we break, I know we break 80, par, TBD, challenge us. Put your money where your mouth is there, John Rob. This is why they got to put us in a fucking tour. Like this is literally, months ago, we said, why don't you put us in attorney? There will be no need to conjecture, to argue on Twitter. They'll just be like, oh, we'll just tune in, and we'll just see how the four-man scramble is doing this week

because they play every week on the fucking BJT door. That's it. not that complicated. Just says four man scramble, WD. Four man scramble, 80. Like, I wonder, we would have a day before we shoot like 87. Oh my God.

It would just be, men, you just see WD. If we put that on Thursday, you just don't have to be no Friday score. That'd be amazing if we withdrew. I thought those comments are, where that comment stems from, though? Like, are they like talking about it on tour?

Or like, has that made any ripple or what? That's what I was thinking. That's what I was thinking. Has to be. It has to come from us, right? Great. I mean, everyone wants to talk about fucking content. Like, find your own content.

Someone does, like, hey, the four-man scramble is kind of our thing now. So if someone's going to start talking about scrambles at golf courses and breaking numbers, we're going to own that. And I'm going to say it's ours. And I think that the pros are sitting around. I mean, we know for a fact that Kevin Kisner is, like, having conversations of people on tour. Because he's told us, like, oh, yeah, guys are asking, like, how do you lose to the poor play guys. So we know that there's some chatter about the four-man scramble. And has it gotten into

John Rom's head? Was that a discussion like one night over a bottle of wine at Mirfield Village and between the fucking Saturday and Sunday around where they talking about the conditions and being like, what do you think the four-play guys would have done? I think that happens. Yeah, I think that's the only way that he would let that comment. And the Polter comment on top, there's just no way you double down on that unless there's something there, I think. Um, But maybe that's too cocky on our side. Be like, no, they're probably like, but I actually think that it did come from us, believe it or not.

Not too cocky at all, Lurch. I think it's just the right, just the perfect amount of where we want to live. I think it's perfect. Speaking of cocky, Phil fucking Mickelson this week. Dr. Paul. Dr. Ball's at the back. I love this. Are we talking about the putt here?

Yeah. I might go to it. I do go to it. I already do that. I've done that multiple times. times. I've done it from 50 yards out. People give you a look, but it's like, hey, we were doing it today at the Barstow Classic. I was a couple of feet off the, off the green, maybe like a foot and a half off the green in the rough. Sometimes it's just the right play. Just fucking get it

close. If he thought that was the easiest way to get that ball close, then who the hell am I to say no? Look, there's so many things to talk about with Phil that I think you two were talking about different things. Phil had this week, to begin the week, he came out and was putting while doing a legitimate Hadeki Matsiyama pause in his backswain. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what I was talking about. Frang's talking about the put on the fairway. Yeah.

He also hit a 78-yard putt, a 78-yard putt that he, from the fucking fairway, that he, in talking about it, was like, yeah, the only way I could get it close, because if I hit a wedge, it would spin, and it would be too far right of the pin, so I knew if it came at this. Well, dude, you left it 35-yard. short, so he wasn't even fucking close. They didn't get a lot. That's what I love about it, because it's like the putt is like, the putt from that

distance is maybe one of the most like scared and tentative shots that you could put in your golf back. And then the next shot he hits is the most outrageous, aggressive, unnecessary shot that you could pull out at that given time. So the blend of like one from the other was just amazing. I mean, Phil's Phil. He just continues to do this. I think you all stem from the glasses.

He got those glasses going. He looks fucking ridiculous, but he also looks hilarious, and you want to just, like, tap him up and be like, just keep doing you, Phil. Like, at this point, like, you're not going to be that much of a contender.

Just come out here and give us a couple less. Drop some bombs and halacious seed, or whatever he says, and let's just fucking have some content out of you, Phil. Like, that's all I need. I just need some, Phil's just a content factory now. It almost seems like he's about to retire

and he knows he's about to retire. so now he's just doing his victory lap. Right. He's just having fun. Yeah, it's about winning, but it's not solely about winning. It's about going out with a little swag and a little laugh. He's also in a position where he clearly is trying to send messages to people. Like, what he did at Shinnock was trying to send a message to the USGA, like,

fuck you. I hate the way you guys set this up. What he did at Mirfield, when he laid up on the part three, when he purposely fucking laid up on like a 170-yard part of. three. That's his way of saying, fuck you, I'm not going to play your golf course. Like, I'm not going to play it the way because it's, I don't like the way it's set up. I don't like how firm it is. I don't like that you can't hold the ball. He said when he laid up on the part three, it's just a hard golf hole for me. Obviously, you can't go left in the water.

When I go right, usually it's a hotter shot, like I pull it or it draws and always ends up in the downslub of a bunker. I just laid up to where I have an angle to put it up the green. I wanted to take a five out of play on a fucking part three that's 170 yards when you're Phil Miggelson, one of the top 15 players in the history of golf. Yeah, he's got a schick. He's got his little antics these days. And I mean, he's playing to it. He's being consistent about it.

That's for sure. But it is an interesting exit. Like, you know, I don't know how much longer he'll play for or whatnot. But he's definitely putting it to a lot of different people in groups. Yeah. By the name he is and then the way he's playing. I mean, it's just absurd sometimes. But it makes me laugh.

So I say keep doing it. Yeah. I agree. It is, it is funny. It is, like he's so, he's calculated, but everybody kind of knows that. He, I think he gets that it's very funny. I think he gets like, hey, I made over par. So if I can do something a little wacky here that I've always thought, like, I do think all of his little fucking antics come from a real place. Like, I think he thought at some point in his life playing that hole, like, I can't, I'm really struggling to hold this screen. I wonder if it would work to lay up. Like, that's dumb. I'd never do it. And then he was.

on Sunday. It was like, you know what, I'm eight over. I'm 50. I don't give a fuck. I'm laying up. And that's just what he does. And he did it. And he, same thing with the putt.

Like, you know, I've never been able to get it close to this pin at this goddamn golf course. You know what I'm going to do? I'm going to put it for 75 yards. And he puts it so, so the whole thing, like, I'm with you guys. I think that Bill has almost given up to a degree that has allowed him to then be who he's always wanted to be out there. That's why he's doing the tweets and the Instagrams and all

the crap. So Phil continues to deliver. That's sort of what Phil does. Our guy, Matthew Fitzpatrick, three under, or third place, I believe. He finished solo third. He posted a four under 68 on Sunday, which was the low round by two. He did have bones on the bag like we sort of talked about a couple weeks ago or a week ago, which he attributed to some help in terms of his charge and having such a high finish. So shout out to Matthew Fitzpatrick. What's up? Matthew Fitzpatrick got a. pay, man. Mirfield Village, the memorial pays out.

I think, I think, I think John Rom took home, like, 1.7 maybe. Second place made a million. I'm pretty sure I saw that. I think second place was in the Millie Club, and then Matthews Patrick was like $600,000 or something like that. Maybe even higher. I just said John Ron made seven? 1.7.

Oh, okay, okay, yes. So, I mean, that's like finishing second place in getting a million dollars in one term, it's unreal. But Matthews-Castricht with a big payday. always love to see our guys get the bagioli huge payday for our man the bagioli and we don't drown buck in minivans anyone and then bryson with a real quick bryson made a 10

hit uh hit a shit drive down the left found it and then proceeded to hit two almost three three woods out of the rough and he was trying to hook like 60 yards just hit him straight out of bounds I mean one of the craziest holes and and just a peek into how psychotic and how much of a mental case this guy is. I mean, he hits that drive over to the left. And then what ensues there,

like to be able to not like take your medicine there and be so cocky and arrogant and ignorant about this fucking position you're in to keep hitting this, whatever that hybrid or threewood was, out of the fucking thick stuff. And he hit identical shots into someone's backyard. He, the final one,

which was like his seventh stroke, his seventh swing, ended up almost going in the water. I mean, Nick Balda was laughing so hard at what was going on. He's like, are you kidding me with this guy? Like, just get the ball in the fairway. Then he just like, you don't want to say berates, but talks down to a rules official and be like, I don't believe you.

Like, let's get someone else because I guess what he was saying was kind of true, which I kind of like agreed with him in, but he has to be a normal human being and not like this, I don't want to say royd raging lunatic, but like a guy who's looking for just like confrontation now. He's just walking around. His caddies running in front of fucking cameras. They're just,

they are a tag team that's ready to absolutely explode him in his caddy. And he is kind of exploding a little bit. So I got fucking, I got something in my eye right now that I'm really battling through. I think I got some sun lotion in my eye right now. It's really bad. Are you going to be okay? He figures that out.

It's, so his ball ends up underneath a post. And his argument was that if that was a white post, would it be like within line of another white post to the point where he'd be able to take a swing at it. But because it's a fence and it was directly under the post, he's not allowed to hit it now.

He's like, that's bullshit. I should be able to at least move it back or whatever. And it's basically the same rule, right? Like it's a white post, it's the fence. It's the same type of rule. So I did understand him on that. It's just the way he goes about things. He's just such a douchebag.

It's like, come on the podcast, man, and talk this shit out. people are like you're losing people you're losing the room bryson like you're not addressing what everyone's seeing on tv come on a podcast like this and big guys like i know things look bad i'm i'm fucking i'm i'm i'm a brick shit house i'm screaming i'm drinking i'm farting all over the place i'm taking protein shakes out the asshole i'm screaming at cameramen i'm but you know what like i'm stressed because i want to be the best golfer of all time i want to take down tiger woods one day. I want to win 25 majors.

And this shit means the world to me. And I'm going to do everything I can. If you try and step my way, I'm going to eat you for lunch. Like, he should say shit like that. But instead, he, like, goes on Twitch and gets weirder and, like, doesn't talk to people. Like, Bryson, be a normal human being once. It's not that hard. You can be

the biggest asshole in the world, but if you know how to, like, take it in stride, it works. Tiger's been the biggest asshole for fucking 20 years on tour. He hasn't talked to a single person. But he somehow works because he's got the swag. And his interviews are must listen to. Bryson, just take a page out of the Great Ones book one time for me.

Yeah, your little whole thing about Bryson should come on the podcast. I agree. I'm not going to disagree with any of that. And it is. He's losing the fucking room. People don't like them. People can't relate to him. The only thing he puts out is this like North Korea state run media thing where it's just his own video editing,

which is awful, by the way. And then the only other shit that we see, he is berating cameramen. He is berating rules officials. He is hitting the ball on a bazillion miles. So all of it thrown into this is an amazing recipe for shit that's must watch. Speaking of something that's must watch, the office. I think if nobody has anything else, that it's time for us to throw it to Brian Baumgartner, who's amazing, who's funny, who's a very cool guy, who did a great thing,

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Well said, Frankie. Without further ado, Kevin Malice, alone from the office. Brian Baumgartner. Thanks for joining the show. Hit it hard. Brian, what's up, my friend? What's up, you idiots? There he is. Good to see you too. All right, wait. So I have a little microphone here. I'm on the road. So I'm trying to make sure. Oh, that's right. I go here.

The idiot now. Okay. I think I'm on. Do I sound fine? You sound great. That's great. Yeah. God, that's so sad. sexy, okay. My joke didn't really land there, did it? No. What did you say? I missed it. I said who's the idiot now?

Oh. All right, folks. We're joined by a very special guest, Mr. Brian Baumgartner, who I'm sure most people, and from what I understand, you don't really give a shit if you introduced like this, but Kevin from the office, first of all, you know, where are you coming to us from? He said you're on the road. There's a lot going on. Where are you at right now?

I am, I'm coming to you live here from beautiful Lake Tahoe, where I just played in the American Century Golf Championships, aka Celebrity Golf's U.S. Open and Masters combined. How'd you play? You can't be very good at golf, right? Now, let me just, first of all, what the fuck? What an intro. God, I, I'm actually very proud of myself. 30th alone. Okay. Top half of the field.

Now, this is a Stableford format, positive numbers every single day. This is my 13th year. The first time any of those things have been achieved. I mean, just defeating elite athlete after elite athlete on the golf course was me. That's pretty good because we just. did a similar format when we were out on a trip a couple weeks ago. I don't think anybody was positive a single day. Really?

It was windy as shit and we just didn't play very well. So it was hard. Yeah, I hear that. No, I was, I, I grinded and putted really well. So that, that helped a lot. But, no, it's my favorite week of the year. I look forward to it. Obviously different this year.

No spectators. And, you know, social distancing and stuff, but I, it was all for, oh, and it was all for charity. There was no purse. Of course, I usually win like $14.72. Now I was in the top half. I might have actually won something. And of course, it's for charity.

But that was definitely the right thing. Of course. I hate to see you disappointed about that. We just had, we had Kyle Rudolph on the show, Minnesota Vikings. He was in the tournament as well. And, you know, we like to ask celebrities and guys who really aren't professional golfers. going to say that you're not like rigs said that you can't be good at golf but like what is it like playing in the tournament yeah it's an outrageous comment listen brannes i've busted balls i've

it's all listen he came on and called us all idiot what's it like playing in those types of tournaments i like to get your feel on it like you know you get out there you could shank it any which way on any given shot right you're not a professional so when there are spectators on there how nervous are you playing in a tournament like that what's the feel like i'm well first of all i'm just uh you had kyle rudolph on right yeah So I was just, I was just trying to confirm, yes, that I defeated him. Oh, you look at the leader. I was wondering.

I was wondering. I was like, what's he looking at? I needed to, yeah, I just, I needed to confirm that I defeated. He was one of the 40, whatever people I defeated. It's, it's, it's no joke. And what's the, the weird thing is, is that even this year, without spectators, in an odd way, I feel like potentially, the spectators. spectator holes, like, you know, there's 40,000 people or whatever out there.

They're not on every hole. You know, once you go like four or five back there, you know, things, you know, thin out quite a bit. I feel like the spectator holes actually in a weird way you focus more, which is really what in golf, you give away so many shots by just a lack of focus. So that in terms of the nerves, just knowing that it's on NBC and you know that the cameras are there. I don't know that that the nerves were any less for me this year. And also, this is, I mean, this is what I love about golf, right? Like, you're always competing at least against yourself. And now I've been doing this thing 13 years. Again, it's my favorite week of

the year. I just want to do better. It's not even about the people, because I know, look, John Smoltz, Tony Romo, Steph Curry, Marty Fish, who won this, year those guys are trying to win and they're out there to play really good golf i'm well aware why i've been invited out there which is not not for my golf right like they want me to entertain the fans or you know when people are watching on NBC and they see me hit a great shot which i think i made a 20 foot around 18 i don't remember just straight up a little left or right um i you know i i think i think that's cool for people to see that it's that it's me out there because as he said there's an expectation that that I'm not as good, which I'm not.

So there's a lot of internal pressure. It's hard to explain. So I was, I'm curious. I looked a few, I think every time I see it on the golf course, you got one of those huge PXG hats on. Are you like you're on the PGA tour? Are you a huge PXG guy?

What is this guy? Rick, what are you? This is unbelievable. I, I, I, I use PXG clubs.

And so I wear their hat. I mean, I don't have an endorsement deal. But it doesn't make sense for me to wear a tailor-made hat or a Callaway hat, right? We were just talking about the clubs a couple weeks ago and how, because we, they're super expensive, but people that use them rave about them. So it was a genuine question about, you've gone through the whole PXG. I threw a little bit of shade, but I don't know, I'm just in a weird mood.

Well, now you started with so much shade. It's hard for him to understand what's real. He's very Frankie-esque today where he's backing up his kind of. comments everything because you're getting grilled right now. You're getting grilled. You've been to the whole experience. You use PXG, so I'm just curious kind of, you know, where you land on them, how much

you love them all that. I love them. I love them. I mean, I feel like, I mean, particularly, I mean, here's the thing, if you're, you know, if you're a 25 handicap, like, whatever, like you're just trying to figure things out. But I really feel like as you start to get better and you get really into like your team,

like you're a legitimate, 90 guy, right, or you're wanting to shoot in the 80s. The biggest recommendation that I can say is you've got to get fitted. Like, you have to have your clubs fitted because your swing is different than ever. Like, clubs are not made, like standard clubs made that they're just not going to fit you and they're not going to help you as much. So whatever kind of clubs it is, I do think that that's really important. Now, I'm a guy, I'll be honest.

Like, I'm a 7-7 handicap, right? So like, I'm decent. But I'm, for me, it's like, I'm trying, I'm trying to have my first number be a seven, right? That's all I want. If I, you know, and the difference for me emotionally between a 79 and an 81 is like astronomical. Right. I mean, it's, and it's sort of the same. If you're like an 89 or 91 guy or a, you know, 69 to 71 guy.

So I, but for me, yeah, the PXGs, I just, I love, and I love their, I love their, I love their business too. I feel like it's the customization is really great and when you make bad swings like I do, the misses are just not as severe. Yeah, I've seen you. I've seen you like you're a pretty good player. I've seen a couple of videos actually. So even though I was giving you shit and I'm going to transition that. Like we're busting your balls. We're having fun. But like I and I know everyone in the show are huge fan to me. I think you're absolutely hysterical. And so I have to get into the office. You're clearly a fan of talking about it because you've got an oral history of the office, the new podcast. And I was doing, you know, I was, I was watching a couple interviews. And I guess I was a little

bit curious and interested and thought it was cool to hear you say that you are genuinely a fan of the show and that you've gone back and watched the show. So how big of a fan of the office are you? Well, here's a thing. I mean, I don't know, I started out as a theater actor, right? So, and I mean, started out like shortly before the office started, I was, I was just doing theater. And, and so, you know, for me, like the construction of the character and things that aren't so interesting to some people, like, those things are really interesting to me. And I've shot a lot of television shows, guest stars or, you know, movies or whatever. And I'll be honest, like, most of the stuff I don't ever watch, right? Because for me, I know it's a little nerdy, like,

actory, whatever, but it's like, all I will look at is like what I screwed up, right? It's like anything. It's like, oh, God, why did I do that? Or why did they choose that take or whatever? And it's not, you know, maybe it's not my thing. Maybe I do enjoy the show, but I just don't really want to see myself. But the office is the only show that I've ever been on where, yeah, we watched, you know, not just me, but the cast.

We watched it every single Thursday night when it was on. and the first two years, we would gather in each other's homes, either one of our actors' homes or writer's home or producer or director's home, and we would watch it together. Once the show really took off, sometimes we were still shooting the show at 9 o'clock on Thursday night, so we would have to DVR or whatever. But yeah, I watched everyone and was a big fan of it.

And then there was a number of years that I, you know, it was like, that's what I did. but about two years ago I went back and was like, you know, I'd be in a hotel room, right? It'd be on Comedy Central. I'd be like, oh, yeah, this is a good one, and I would watch that, you know, occasionally. About two years ago, I went back,

and I started at the very beginning and watched the whole, I binged it, right? Just started the beginning, went straight through. And I was like, God, dang, man, this, I mean, it, like holds up. It still is making me laugh as a fan. It's not like, oh, I'm so great or whatever. It's just like, I just really enjoyed the show. and then a little more time passed

and talking about the podcast. Basically, I was talking to Rain Wilson. One day, we were on the phone and I was like, I think I said something stupid. Like, man, I mean, it seems like the show is as big now as it was when we were on. Like, it was kind of one of those like,

is this a dumb thing to say? Because we were the number one scripted show on NBC for like most of the time we were on. And he's like, no, we're bigger. Like, it's bigger now than it was. And he's absolutely right, right? Like, I mean, just in terms of, I don't know, the airport test or what, you know, whatever, walking around in public, just anecdotal being around in public.

And so I started looking at stuff. And since 2017, when they started doing streaming ratings, the office is the number one show. The first day of the pandemic, which was Sunday, kind of the first day, March 15th. over 250 million minutes were streamed on that day alone. It's by far based on any metric that you could figure out, right? Looking at Nielsen ratings or NBC or, you know, Hulu or whatever, seven years since we wrapped the show, we're the most watched show in television. Well, just look at the, look at the shift that people threw when they thought was getting taken

off Netflix. Like people had a heart attack. people went crazy. I could absolutely see that it's even bigger now than it was when it was on. Yeah. And so what I, what the idea of this podcast is looking at why.

Like why? Why in the hell is this show now seven years since we did? And the other crazy thing is, to me, I mean, this was something like that was actively talked about. I don't remember the numbers, but like when we were doing the show and the show was really, really struggling in the beginning, I remember kind of like our log line was,

oh, there's like 200 million people who work in offices in the United States. So if a certain percentage of those people think the show is funny, then we should be good, right? Like, that was the thinking. Makes sense. Yeah.

I think what we weren't ever thinking about was young people. Like how much young people, people 12, 13, 15, you know, high school would love the show and consume the show and continue to consume the show, which was never kind of an idea that we had was like,

let's make a cool show for kids. Because I think there are shows to do that, right? Like, let's make a cool, what bar school was built on, right? It's like, let's make something fun and cool. And so I think, so that's what the podcast was really started, which was like, what?

Why is this now? And so we go back, we talked to all the key assets that worked on the show, directors, producers, actors, and try to figure out, like, was there something that happened early on, like now 15 years ago that made, you know, that made the show able to have a legacy and a longevity that we never imagined? And that was kind of the idea behind it. I'm no, I'm very curious because you mentioned earlier, like, I don't want to get into the nerd

stuff with, you know, acting and performance. But actually on the show, we have musicians on or we have athletes on like I think some of the most interesting part is getting into that sort of like digging deeper because it's such a foreign concept such a foreign world and job for us so I'm super curious about sort of being cast and and your first um interpretations and sort of um thoughts on kind of the role of Kevin Malone and then how different you know like how much was left up to you Brian to sort of build and mold that character versus how it's written and directed. Right.

Well, yeah, then I'll, I'll start by not directly answering your question, but by saying, I think that one of the things that created this cast that was super unique and enabled it to have a longevity was, I don't know that, no one, because I talked about this and asked people about this in the podcast, and no one fully, I don't know if it was something internal that they understood. It wasn't like a plan, but they were looking for good people and good actors to work together. But what they did was they had so many of us had a different experience, right? So I'm not going to call out any other shows, but you go, you build a show and they're all stand-up comedians or they're all improvisers or they're all this or they're all that.

And what happened, it was like this beautiful happenstance or whatever. ever, like, and I'm not going to talk about, I'll just kind of make my point. It's like, Rain Wilson and myself, we came from straight theater, like, Chekhov, Shakespeare, like, and comedies and all that stuff, too, but like that. And then you had like Steve Correll and Kate Flannery, who came from Second City, Oscar Nunez, so improvisers,

Oscar Nunez and Angela Kinsey, who were improvisers. And then you had like Craig Robinson. and one of the funniest stand-ups I've ever seen in BJ Novak, a stand-up comedian. And so you have this whole mix of people with a variety of experience. And then you say, okay, we're not going to have walls that move away that we can bring cameras in. We're going to take a room and we're literally going to shut all of the doors to the outside. And we're going to put a couple of camera guys and one boom guy trying to stay out of the way and just let the camera go on all the people in there.

And that, just that right there, that was never done. That was, that was never done. And so the idea, and by the way, probably why the show was almost canceled the first two years. Like, people were like, what the fuck is this? But I think that that, that set up there was a huge impact. So for me, it was about creating a character, right? Just like for Rain, for Dwight, it was about, creating a specific character based on the information that he had.

That, by the way, evolved. I mean, Kevin certainly and Dwight as well, evolved over time as the writers were like, oh, I think we're going to do more than 12 episodes. We're going to do 200 and something. So basketball, poker and chili and, you know, like all of the other things that start, you know, coming around to help create it. So, you know, unlike theater, in television, and especially a long-running television show,

it evolves. It evolves or it dies. So, you know, Steve Carell's character, Michael Scott, certainly evolved. And yeah, so I don't know if that answers your question, but. No, it does. It's interesting. Was it common to mess up a take by just laughing? Like, you just couldn't stop laughing? All the time.

All the time. Yeah. And there were people that were, there were people that were worse at it than others. I think I was somewhere in the middle, maybe on a little bit on the better side, but yeah, no, it was all the time. Who was the worst? Who just couldn't keep it together? I would say Mindy Kaling. I was going to say that.

Yeah. Krasinski was, he was close. He wasn't, he wasn't, Mindy was probably the worst. Is it a good feeling to like be the one that, make someone crack, right? Because, like, there's so many lines of Kevin that, like, you have to think that people couldn't even look at you in the eyes to get through those takes, right?

Like, what does a bean mean? Like, you, like, you can't sit next to you while you're saying that and not laugh. So it's like, that's got to feel great. Yeah. I mean, I talked to Steve for the podcast about this a little bit as well, which was like, basically the idea that it was clear to me that he was always. just trying to make us laugh. Like it was like it was very clear to me.

And by the way, no joke. This is not like, this is not, oh, he's my friend. I'm going to say this. Like,

I believe the greatest improviser maybe ever, certainly alive today. I mean, he is, I mean, just the improvising. He is just a genius at it.

That's what he came from. He was super skilled at it. And so you, with him, you know, you're looking at, his face and especially like Kevin is looking at his face with zero facial expression. You don't know what's coming next, right?

I mean, you just don't know. I mean, I'll tell this story. I've told this before, but like the, I'll get a little close to the mic, but he, probably what is universally said, I think, kind of from the cast, like the scene that people couldn't not laugh was a Christmas episode scene where Kevin said. in Michael's lap as Santa Claus. Yes. And there was just the construction of it was great in him.

But every time I sat down and I went to sit down on his lap, he right in my ear, and the mic was picking it up, right in my ear he would do, he would make his sound, like this inhalation, sharp inhalation. I couldn't. I just couldn't. I could not do it. So, yeah. But I mean, like Oscar Nunez is a, I mean, he is a genius as well.

Our little corner, our little accounting corner, our group in the corner in accounting, I mean, they're both just geniuses at that. And I've described that. The three of us, I think, as, not the performances or anything, but just like kind of a perfect triangle of comedy, just with the three very distinct characters and the way like, oh, Kevin and Oscar are against Angela right now. And then it switches in Oscar and Angela are against Kevin. and I don't know that Kevin and Angela were ever together,

but that whole thing and how it worked, that was a lot of fun. Who was the best golfer out of the cast? Did you ever go and play while you guys were shooting? Me. Aside from you. No, me. Okay.

You know, we did, and that's kind of what I mean, right? Like, as the show evolves, and it's like, oh, oh, Brian could actually play golf. Oh, that's funny. if Kevin plays golf, now maybe they know Brian likes to bet too. So like there's an episode that comes out. And so, you know, Brian's going to be on the golf course. Sorry, Kevin's going to play golf and he's going to be good.

He's going to want to bed and all that stuff. So some of that stuff is just borne out of experience. And also like, oh, that would be funny because no one would expect it. Right. Like there's a really, this is like a deep, deep writer's room joke, right? That would be impossible for anyone to get. but it was explained to me. I think this was even like two seasons in or more.

So Kevin has a band, right? Scranticity, which is the police. And Kevin plays the drums and sings, right? He's the drummer, singer of Scranticity, the police cover band. So the thing about police is, this is something I don't even know, this is how nerdy these writers are.

The singing is off of the beat. in police songs generally. So there's the drumming on the beat and the singing happens occurs after the beat. So in order to be a singer-drummer for a police cover band, you would have to be a musical savant genius. Be able to drum on the beat

and sing off of the beat. This is what was explained to me at one point. And that just, they thought that was the funniest thing out. So it was things like that where like, oh, yeah, you know, whatever, he's an idiot, but he's like a musical savant that nobody really understands. Or like, you know, good at basketball

because, by the way, I am. So like, yeah, having those juxtap, those contradictions in character, I think, you know, is what makes it cool. So at Barstool, you know, we talk a lot where we try to make people laugh and we get into a ton about like what's allowed nowadays, how things evolve.

and I believe Steve Corral has said that on a couple different occasions, like, no, we couldn't do the office today, kind of how we did it back then. How do you feel about that? Do you think that there's certain things that were done back then, you know, comedic or with the show that you wouldn't be able to get away with or that you'd have to tweet today? You know, he and I talked quite a bit about this for the podcast. And I think that his words have been slightly misinterpreted,

not like in a bad way. I mean, at first, it was like the show could never happen today. And I was like, what are they talking about? Like, Steve, like, of course, like, whatever, however many billion minutes are streamed every year. And it's like, of course, somebody wants to make money. What do you mean? But yeah, I think what, you know, as he and I talked about, his point is, is that it would not be allowed to, like, somebody would stop a joke from happening. Right.

Like, one of my favorite jokes, I've told this story if you're done, but one of my favorite, what I would consider like a perfect office joke. It's kind of subtle. It's not like an obvious one. But it's early on, very early in the series. And Michael Scott is sitting, he's sitting backwards in his chair, which made us laugh just to start with. He has his chair and he's turning it backwards, right? Like he's straddling where you sit and he's kind of leaning like this. And he's really, he's talking to Oscar.

and he says, Oscar, what's a less offensive term than Mexican? And Oscar goes, there's nothing offensive about Mexican, right? I'm paraphrasing. And he's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. But what's something less offensive, right? This is something you can't say. This is a horrible, horrible thing to say. But the net out of that scene is, one,

he's really well-intentioned, Michael is. He's trying to say the right thing. He wants to say the right thing. Of course, because he's misguided in the way that he thinks about and he's not woke at all. Like, he doesn't understand, but everybody else in the room understands.

Right. Like, everyone else is uncomfortable about what he's saying. So when you're watching that scene, the net. out of it is, that is a horrible thing to say. And everyone here knows that that is a horrible, you can't, why would you say that is a terrible thing to say, right?

So I don't understand why you can't say it. I don't, I don't understand. I don't understand why making that joke, why him saying that thing that is not the right thing to say, why you can't make that? Because ultimately that, to me, I'm passionate about this in case you can't. Yeah. that to me brings us

brings us closer to a solution to a very, very real problem and ignoring that that perspective to me that is the real destructive thing so I'm not going to speak for Steve and I get what he is saying by the way he's probably right

because there's probably somebody that will say no you can't you can't say that and this sponsor or that sponsor and it's like well, but wait, like, let's look at the context and what ultimately the scene is saying. So anyway, that's what I think about it. So you were in, I think over 200, I think it was 201 episodes.

You directed, I believe, one of them. How was that experience? How different was it from kind of your typical? Were you stressed about it? What was directing an episode like? I loved it. I loved it. And I had kind of a, I had kind of a particularly.

challenging one in that a lot of it was on a lot of it was on location. It was the episode where they've gone to Florida and we've got Jim in this other co-worker who is kind of wanting to, you know, maybe make the moves on him and it's shot in a hotel room. And, you know, one of the cool things about the show, one of the things that I'm most proud about the show is every single scene that was shot. If you go back and look at it, just look at one episode, you'll be like,

oh man, I get what he's saying. Every single scene that was shot, there was a discussion, right? So normally you're like, okay, here's how we're going to cover the scene. You stand there. We'll shoot you here and you shoot you here and make sure that we can get your face

and your eyes and the thing. And okay, let's go. This, every single scene, there was a discussion. And from directing, like starts a week ahead, right? Which is, okay, here's a scene. between Dwight and Jim. Where are the cameras? Are the characters aware that the cameras are there?

Are they spying on them? Are they relating to them? Are they, like all of those things, because the camera really in the show is another person, right? So if you're having a conversation with someone and there's another person there, that changes your behavior. Whereas if you don't know that that other person,

i.e., the camera is there, then you're going to behave differently. So that, to me, is a whole other thing that nobody really talks about about what makes the show really different and unique. Yeah, it is just, I guess it's funny because as the viewer, you don't think about those things, right? You don't think about the fact that you haven't watched

a show that was filmed that way. You're just watching a show, and it's funny. And we don't think about the challenges or the uniqueness of it. So it's just learning about that. And because it's become such a cultural phenomenon, it's just, I mean, it's fascinating. And it is, it is a show that gets funnier and funnier,

the more you know about it because of all the inside jokes and the facial expressions, it just gets better. Yeah, I mean, truly, if you go back and you look at an episode, you'll start to see. I mean, there's a lot of, you know, Christopher Guest movies are a great example. You know, the Larry Sanders show early on. And there's some other shows now. I'm not going to mention that that used the idea of kind of a documentary look with the cameras moving around and there.

But I don't know that anyone, for better or worse, by the way, I don't know that anyone has stuck with that idea for as long and as consistently as I can. Part of what we talk about in the podcast, which was the first guy who was the director of photography, right? he was also holding the camera and he had never done a scripted show before he had just done reality shows right and we talk about this in the third episode of the podcast and what what he was talking about is is that if you're shooting a true reality show right and a scene happens you don't ever I mean occasionally if probably if a camera guy gets some kiss or something that they just can't have any other way you'll see another camera in the background you they don't ever want to see the other cameras in the background right right

he calls it the dance. They're doing a dance and one guy moves this way and you're looking out of the corner of your eye and the other guy counters around here and they're doing this whole thing. And so that's what we did on the office. And not only that, because of course we did multiple takes, right? And we would have people, you know, shooting, say, Steve in the conference room and then us. And we would be doing multiple takes. So it's not that. But they would never even put a camera to get a reaction shot where it was impossible for a cameraman to be standing there and get it,

even though we're doing it in multiple takes, right? Do you get what I'm saying? Yeah. If one camera is shooting at Steve talking at, and I'm just using this as an example, at the conference room, there's another camera that's shooting back at all of us and getting our reactions and our lines to him

and all of that stuff. Even if we're shooting it in multiple takes, you're never going to get a shot where the camera guy who's shooting us would have been in the other camera shot, which is great, way harder. Way harder to do than to just like basically take a camera, have him stand where Steve Correll was standing as Michael Scott and pan around the room and do that.

But they were like, no, no, because then we, this camera would have seen that camera. So we can't do that. You've got to put him over here behind the plant, behind the wall. God. and do all this stuff. And so that's the third, you know,

talking about the podcast, because that's what I'm doing now, the third episode of the podcast is called, everything that makes it harder, makes it better. And the idea that all of these things that were difficult, that we didn't have walls

that moved for the camera, that, you know, the ceiling came down really low. So there wasn't a way to light it in a easy way. But all of those things brings a sort of tension to it.

And that kind of, as a view, you know, subconscious, right? But like, it makes you kind of lean in because you're like, oh, what, you know, like, oh, he's shooting something through the blinds. What is that there? Yeah. So interesting. That's, we, that stuff.

It's great. I know we got to wrap, but Brian, we're all huge fans of your work. We're all going to listen to the podcast. And I don't think anybody that walks the show can get enough of it. So keep up the good work. And we really appreciate. How, how, I, is it to, for you to hear that like people can't go to sleep without watching the show that you're on.

Like I physically can't fall asleep unless I watch the office. So like how weird is that? And I don't want to take too much more time of you, but I couldn't have you without asking that. That's real. My answer just would get weird because you just said that that's you. I was going to answer jarily, but now I'll talk specifically, right? So again, subconsciously, we've talked a lot about this. amongst themselves. So you, I don't know what you sleep in, but you're, you are watching me,

you're experiencing me in an intimate fashion. naked most of the time, yeah. I don't know. I did not. It's not. That's not what I was trying. I mean, it just is what it is.

And I'll get in trouble like with girl, like if someone has said, but it's like, oh, you, like you, and I usually say underwear, right? But like you're watching in your underwear. And so that's part of it for me. I mean, part of it, I think, is the character of Kevin. And I think that there's a lot, just a lot of lovableness about, that's not a word.

But he's lovable in a lot of ways. And I think he's approachable in a lot of ways and relatable in a lot of ways, even though he is the way he is. But it is like when people see me out in public, I'm a lot of times, especially depending on how they come up to me, like, do I, is this a person I know? Right. Is this, is because they're talking to me in a way as though. And sometimes I will, I will continue a conversation. Now, by the way, 99% of the time I'm well aware of why they're coming up.

But it's like, oh, hey, how's it going? Good to see you. Then I'm like, okay, was this high school college? I don't know what. How is this? And then when they're like, just a really big fan of your work, man, then I'm like, God damn it. I didn't realize.

Oh man. Well, thanks again for coming on. This has been awesome. I was just as giddy for this is when we were at the Presidents' Cup watching Tiger walk up to us. Like it's just, it's the same level of giddiness from me. I know it sounds insane, but it really is. And since you've been on the show, Tiger's been too over, so we have to get you off right now because he's kind of spiraling out of control. Oh, damn it. All right. I'm a big fan of Tiger, too. So anyway, all right. All right. Thanks you guys so much. All right, thanks, Brian. Thank you, so much.

All right. Later. Bye.