Fore Play - Bryson DeChambeau Himself

Episode Date: August 13, 2019

In the middle of a slow play firestorm, Bryson DeChambeau (~4:40) joins the show for a full hour. We talk the 2:10 putt, the players that have taken shots at him, what happened with Brooks Koepka, his process for putting, how wind affects putts, and much, much more. We're tough at times and agree at others. You're going to want to listen to this one!!!You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

Hey, 4Play listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. We are back, big week big show. We got Bryson D. Shambot, a little bit of a rhyme there. Kind of a little bit of a rhyme right there. Bryson D. Chambot on the show for about a full hour. He called in. He's been right in the middle of it.

I said towards the interview, I said, man, your story's on CNN right now. It's on CNN. The story is just, it's been crazy. He's been right in the middle of the fire. He's been taking missiles from people. He's been defending himself. He's been having conversations. He had the whole situation with Brooks Kevka yesterday where he said, I want a face-to-face.

We go through all of it. We talk through all of it. Talk to this little play. It's a great, great interview. We're tough on them at times. We agree with them at times. It's just a lot of stuff. Speaking of a lot of stuff, Supreme Golf.

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We're going to do what we don't usually do with this show is we're just going to hit you with it off the top. smack them with it. And then we're going to smack you with Bryson. We're just going to hit you across the face. Just wet it up a little bit and just smack them like a wet towel. With Bryson. With Bryson DeShambeau.

He's at like his hotel in Chicago for... They have him up at a Weston for the B and Wendom. He changed it. He started with a Weston. He went somewhere else. You might have been trying to keep everybody guessing. True. Smart move.

Nobody can triangulate his position. We go through a lot of it. There's just a ton. There's a ton to talk about. And we do. We keep it lighthearted at times or hard on them at times. like I said. So enjoy Bryson.

We are going to go through a bunch of the other storylines after the Bryson interview. And then on Thursday's show, we will give more of kind of our takes because we don't want to drown you with slow play talk. We do a ton of it with Bryson. So enjoy the interview. We're going to go through a bunch of the other storylines afterwards. Before we get to that, Kevin Kisner, congratulations to our boy to Kiz. And a big thank you to everybody out there listening to everybody on Twitter, on Instagram, across all social channels that saw what we were doing, that clicked the link and that voted and got their reps in 20 votes a day.

20 votes a day. It wasn't like the easiest layout on the website. You didn't even know who you were voting for half the time. There was not like a click thing. You had to go hover over the video. Also, his shot sucked. There's no way he should have won for that shot. Honestly, he's like difficult to vote for him.

And the stoolies went out there and figured out a way to do 20 a day. I had one guy messaging me. He had like different accounts. He was, I mean, this guy was doing set like 80. Cooking those books. He was doing 80 votes a day. Don't go public for that info. They were figuring out whatever they had to do.

That's what Stoolies do. We do whatever the hell we need to do to get things done for our guys. My mention is the worst. You had no idea. And there was also no confirmation that you actually voted for your guy. No, there was. At the end, it would give you a thing. You voted 20 times today.

Yes, but it didn't tell you that you voted for Kisner. It just said like you voted 20. Long start. A little bit. It was a grind and we got it done. We won it. Kiz won $750,000 for the Kisner Foundation. He and his wife set that up.

It means a lot to them. He told me they've only raised 400, in two years that they've been doing it. So this almost doubles that in one little competition. He's very, very sincere and thankful to all of the Stoos, all of the listeners for helping them out. So awesome work by you guys. I love the image.

And all my mentions were filled with this for a week straight of just everyone's sitting there in their cube grinding, finding out of way to get their 20 votes in. Just every day, guys doing it. Click. Click. You got to go through routine. Click. Click.

Do it. He won. Congrats to kids. Thanks to everybody out there. You guys are awesome. Now here's Bryce Indichimbo. What's up, guys? You know, not much.

What's going on with you? Anything? Playing Fortnite. Waiting for Frank the Tank to come on board. I know, man. I've been off, I haven't hit the bus in what feels like months. I've just been off the ground.

We've been so damn busy. You guys just have another golf tournament. Every week it feels like. I don't know how you have time to hit the bus as much as you do, but you do it and you become like a professional golfer. I don't know how. I cannot work and play Fortnite at the same time. Are you afraid to play with him?

I'm afraid to play with him. Yeah, you are. You know, that was me just dancing around. I'm probably worse than you, man. That's impossible. Play a lot. There's no way. It may be true.

You never know. So what, I mean, what the last couple days have been like? It's kind of been like a whirlwind? Or what's it feel like over there? It's been crazy, but it's been good. You know, the one thing that I'll say about this whole, you know, a whole issue that's gone around with pace of play and slow play is, uh, it's great, actually. It's great that we're finally talking about it.

moving in the right direction. I've always been outspoken, not necessarily outspoken a year ago, but recently about penalizing players. I'm totally fine with that. That's something that I've wanted people to do, but at least make the policy and the system fair. And three years ago, I had a bit of an issue coming out on tour right off the gate, had some timings, never bad time, just a lot of timings, and unfortunately had to pay a good fine for it. And I'm okay. I initially had problems, and I made some changes and things to implement things that can make me play a little faster, which is great, you know, and I haven't never had really

an issue since then. And then this year, I've had four timings, one bad time that I'm still rebuttaling and talking to the guys about because it was a little, a little. difficult shot that I had. And sometimes when you get a really difficult shot, a difficult decision to make, it was five of a memorial. I was right behind a tree. And I decided whether or not to lay up or go for it. You know, and I took a minute and 10 seconds to hit the shot. So I got one bad time, you know. But it's five bad times, five bad times before you start getting fined from what I know. And then 10 timings in total before you start getting fined. And I'm at four and one.

you know, like I'm not afraid to talk about it. I'm not crazy slow. I'm not crazy fast. And, you know, there are things that I absolutely have to work on putting. The putting arena is my nemesis. I try and play as quick as possible, but that's one area where I'm, you know, not that, not that fast. So, you know, for me, it's good that it's finally coming to light because I had an issue with it in the past.

The biggest flaw in the system, and this is something that we're hopefully going to talk about and resolve coming soon is the fact that guys can walk literally as long as they want to the ball. They can take as much time as they want getting to the ball, but once they get the ball and they get their 40 seconds. So theoretically, you can have a guy that walks to their ball in 10 minutes and the plays their shot in 10 seconds, and he's never, ever, ever going to get penalized. That's a huge problem, you know, and it's unfortunate that's that way, but that is what it is. And then the other thing, the other thing, too, is that, you know, Justin Rose brought up a good point. He said, how much faster are we really going to make it?

Let's see we make it 20 minutes faster. You know, I mean, what's it really doing? You know, and I agree that we need to pick it up and we need to play faster, and there needs to be an upper end threshold. But Justin Rose made a great point there, too. So let me ask you this. I mean, there's a lot of different schools of thought. We've been debating it.

You know, we do radio, we do podcasts. We're on Twitter all the time. Right. one of one of kind of the schools of thought the theory is like well if this is your process which it is this is price and de chambos process you're methodical you're slow whatever the hell you want to call it and nobody's punishing you for it they're not saying you're against where you've only been put on the clock a couple times you're not getting like stroke play you're got getting stroke penalties out there then why the hell would you who's making millions of dollars you got five wins you're the eighth ranked player in the world why the hell would you change your method if no one's doing anything about it do you sort of subscribe to that or do you feel because it's to me for you to say as a kind of a slower player, which you've been called, that you want to see the rules change. That seems weird to me that you would say that. Yeah, it is, it is weird, but here's the thing. I cannot wait. I can't wait for the PGA tour to show the timings and the time it takes for someone to hit their shot, walk to the next

shot, hit their shot again, walk to the green, hit their putt, hit their put, and show the actual process of how long it takes everybody to do all the steps included, not just when you're over the ball. There's plenty of guys out there that walk a little slower than most and don't take very much time over the ball. I'm the complete opposite. You know, we have to have a policy that is all encompassing where it takes care of all situations, not just one situation where you penalize, you're technically penalizing. I wouldn't say penalized, but you're technically hurting a guy like me that walks really fast to the ball. Then I got to wait for the guys to come up and maybe I hit it past them.

I'm one of the top 20 longest drivers on tour. And I got to wait for these guys to do their thing and get to the ball and hit their shot. And then I get to do my process. I'm not about to walk in front of them. Shoot, if it was ready golf, I'd be getting up there every time and just boom, sending it, not even worrying about it. But I got to wait. I got to be respectful and let the guys behind me hit.

You know, and then when I'm behind them, I get up there and I just, I hit very, very fast. When it's my turn to put, I'm get up there and I'm ready to go, you know. And I just can't wait for the system to hopefully come out where we're showing the timings of literally every step of the process. So people can get a good understanding of what goes on. The thing that happened on 8 the other day, I'll be, yeah, it actually took two minutes. But I missed a putt, just like one of you guys, just like anybody, you know? I mean, I suck sometimes. What can I say?

Just the way it is. You know, but I'm not condoning it one bit. Look, it was something where we didn't know the REIT, Tim pulled me off, and it wasn't great. Do you, I mean, looking back at something like that, or even in real time, I mean, is there any, do you feel any consideration towards, you know, part of that video that's going crazy viral? It's like Justin Thomas kind of putting his head around, you know, and they got to stand around and that there's the argument that it's, you know, some people go as far. It's like, it's cheating into effect. I wouldn't go that far. But people are saying, you know, when you're playing with other players, it's inconsiderate.

It's not fair to them that they have to stand there for two and a half minutes, two minutes and ten seconds while Bryson's going through his whole read when you're only supposed to give 40 seconds. Is there any consideration from you of that? Do you feel bad for that? Or what are your thoughts on that? Yeah, absolutely. I feel, you know, I would say that it is a little frustrating that they would take that light

because there's clearly a lot of other instances where these guys have taken the same amount of time in certain situations, you know, whatever it is. For example, I'll give you a great example on 7, Friday, that same Friday, Justin Thomas hit it way right on 7. And, you know, we, Tommy and I both had our shots from the middle of Fairway, and we were waiting for him, did his shot, albeit he was in a weird situation,

you know, out with no sprinkler head and all that, right? It's kind of the same thing. I know this is a straightforward eight-foot put, but sometimes when you just can't see it and you can't read it, and then you get your caddy that pulls you off, which takes another minute. I mean, there is a bit of an issue. Now, in the consideration aspect of it, I'm absolutely that way, but there's some time,

for example, that there are very difficult putts out there that time just don't do well with, you know, and I couldn't read it very well. And unfortunately, made a mistake. And I feel bad for them. I do feel bad for them. Absolutely. I'm not trying to hurt anyone ever. That's never my intent out there on the golf course, you know.

and trying to be considerate, that's what I always try and do. Unfortunately, it may not come off as that, but in that instance, it didn't. Most of the time I'm trying to get out of people's way and doing everything I can to be as consider as possible. If I wasn't considerate, I'd just go up there and play in front of them. I wouldn't give a shit. I'd go out there and do my absolute best to play as fast as possible, but you know what? I can't do that because it's disrespectful to guys behind me that are playing. you know, there are, you know, 10 yards behind me.

So, yeah, I absolutely agree that it is, I try and be as considerate as possible, and I feel bad for those guys that sometimes I have to endure that, but sometimes I have to endure other people stuff too. It's not just me. There's a lot of other things, a lot of other people out there that are slow and it's tough. You know, like J.B. Holmes, for example, there's a lot of other talk about that, right? And so for me, you know, I feel bad for other players. out to play with him, you know, and it's just the exact same thing as me.

I feel bad for those moments, those 1% moments that I have where I take a little bit of extra time. Because it's like, yeah, I feel bad for him too, but they do it as well. Everybody does it. So that's just what I've got to say about that. So, yeah, like Justin Thomas, he came out, his quote was, I like Bryson as a person, but he's a slow golfer. He had a bunch of other guys, I know, as you've seen on social media, Eddie Pepperell, Lee Westwick coming out. I mean, do you feel like, do you find that to be unfair?

Do you feel like it's like a mob mentality that all of a sudden because there are other guys, like you mentioned, J.B. Holm, some guys who have always be considered slow players, you're not the only one that's ever been called that. Do you feel like it's unfair that they're all of a sudden coming after you? Well, I think it's disrespectful. I think this is a PJ tour policy issue, and this is an internal PGA problem. That needs to be resolved more or less internally. I'll get guys catching wind of it because, you know, there's some slow players out there

they're talking about it. Yeah, whatever, Gary. Gary Woodland and I just saw me. Tell him he said what's up. That sort of stuff, sorry, I lost track where it was. Yeah, we were talking about just like the players kind of ganging up on you, it feels like, or comment, you know,

do you think that's fair? I think it's a little disrespectful, unfortunately. You know, like I said before, it's a PGA tour matter and turn on. I'd love it if they came up and talked to me. me about it personally. I played with Eddie Pepperl at the WGC Mexico event and we never had an issue. You know, yeah, I do take a little bit more time on the Greens, but I'm working 100% to speed it up. And it's not like I'm not trying to. I never want to make anybody feel that way. I care about my reputation too much for that to occur. You know, it's something at the extent where,

you know, at the end of the day when I'm on my deathbed, I don't want people. people to think that way about me. That's certainly something that there's any malice behind it, right, Bryson? Like, I don't think like when you're doing these things like, they're like, oh, he's just trying to get JT off his game or he's like, I don't think. I'm trying to make a pot. Exactly. I mean, and I think we all can agree, like, standing over a putt for like two and a half, three minutes for an eight footage, like we can't have that all the time, right? It's something that just can't be done. And you, you're saying like, but that's my point. Right. That's my exact point is that it's one percent of the time that happens. It happens

with every player, I guarantee you one time because there's some weird situation that occurs. It's a weird put. We can't see the weed. We can't. You know, it's just like you going over a put, and you're just like, dude, I have no idea which way it breaks. And, you know, for us guys that are trying to make a living off event,

trying to do our best and trying to provide great entertainment, we want to provide you a great show. We want to try and make these pups. This is my livelihood. I'm trying to do really well out there. It's not like you just saw it's just whatever. It's a tough pot and just hit it and go because it's your average.

day of golf out there. It's just not what it is. Yeah, it really didn't help your case that you missed it big time. You wanted to drain a little mess up. You're going to want to make that one. You're just going to want to make that one. The video would have gone a lot better if you would have made it. I would have loved to have made it. I just, you know, again, I suck. That's the way it is. So, you know, the Brooks Kepka situation, he's made comments before. He's mentioned your name once before. He's been pretty vocal going after slow play. Then this whole, storyline developed where, you know, he was kind of one of the players that was commenting on slow play. I guess, you know, he says he didn't mention you by name, but he was going after

slow play. Obviously, you were in the headlines with it. Then yesterday, you know, the practice green beforehand on the range with his caddy. What all happened? Yeah, so essentially there's been a lot of things getting misconstrued a little bit. Essentially, I went up to Rick and I said, hey, you know, I'd love it if Brooks came up and talked to me about some of the stuff to me personally. And I'd love it if he'd come over. And he's I look, this is a situation between you and Brooks. I know, I know. He's not here right now. I'd love it if he came over and talked to me to my face about this.

You know, I want to make sure we clearly are and everything's good. You know, and then you had some guys, same stuff back and forth. And anyway, time goes on, and I see Brooks, and I'm warming up and doing my thing. He's doing his thing. And finally, we're both on the range, and he comes over to me. And when he did that, I gain the utmost respect for him. I mean, that's classy. That's exactly what we need to do on tour, and maybe not in an outdoor sense.

setting, but when we're in the locker, we see each other all the time, it could have been done better there, I'd say. But at the same point in time, it was great for everybody to see the situation. We've got to be men about this. We can't be doing stuff on social media all day long and saying this and that about each other without talking to us personally about it and say, hey, dude, we need to pick up the face, we need to do this, we do that, or what's the deal? What was the, why did you take so long on that pot, whatever it is? Trying to understand the situation to make it better for everyone else on tour. We want to enjoy around. We need to provide great entertainment.

we want to have a good time out there in a timely fashion as well. I mean, there's no doubt about it. But when we start attacking people personally, it's like, do we're coworkers? Come on. We're supposed to be doing this to provide entertainment. And I keep going back to that because that's what the PGA tour is about is really, you know, first off, providing great entertainment, second off, doing a lot of great terrible things for the world. I mean, that's what we're about, you know, and have something like this that's caught so much wave

that's bringing light away from the fact that we're doing so many other great things in the world, you know, through the PGA Tour. You know, and I'm not trying to move it away from the issue because it is a huge issue. But at the same point in time, I want other people to know that the PGA Tour is doing things. And they're going to continue to do great things, and we're going to continue to revise things as well. Just like this pace to play thing needs to be resolved. people need to get shot penalties. What's happening, and we start having a proper use of or a proper timing system.

It's going to show a lot. It's going to prove a lot. For example, yesterday, my buddy Connor, my manager, started timing me on everything. And on every shot, I was around 30 seconds. and on every put, I was around 45 seconds. There were a couple times where I was over a minute, but it's made up by the time that I walk from the fairway to the green or the T-Ox to the fairway.

You know, I walk at a faster pace. And so, you know, just getting the information out there, educating people that this is a huge problem. We need to fix it, and we're looking at ways to solve it. I'm looking at ways to solve it internally. How can I put faster? How can I do things in a... more efficient manner because I certainly damn well do not want to be out there for six hours,

nor five hours, nor four hours. I would love to be out there for three hours or less. It'd be awesome if we could have golf carts. Holy crap, that'd be awesome. Are you just like the fastest walker in the world? Dude, I'm serious. I could truly enter speedwalking competition and beat anyone. So you are conscious of that when you're out there.

You're out there like, I need to move fast so that I, if I need the extra time I've got. I've never thought of it that way, that if they're timing you guys based off of when you approach the ball, as compared of what you're saying if you get to the ball quicker than most people you should get an extra 10 or 15 seconds

it all is just so it's someone saying that we're like dicing this down to like the how many seconds it takes like I think everyone kind of gets it

like it should be quicker he took a lot of time on the one put like yeah but so you don't know me from Tim Buck do I go by Lurch

on the show we've never met before Bryce but anyways I've got all sorts of potting issues I can talk about that but you're saying

you're like biggest problem is too because you're a fast walker, you actually don't even get rewarded by that because you're longer hitter on the tour. So then he's only as fast as kind of the slowest guy that he plays with. You're basically speeding up to stop. So really no benefit there.

And that's where you gain some. So when I have. Right, right. You're 100% correct. So when I have somebody that walks at a faster pace as well, like, you know, I played with Corey Conner's the last day. We were never ever close to being off of time par. Or you take a guy like Jason Day and Stevie Williams that I played with the WTC,

FedEx St. Jude Classic, there was never, ever one ounce of an issue. We were actually at WGC FedEx St. Jude Classic waiting for the guys in front of us on every single hole, and Stevie was getting pissed at the rules of it. We were getting mad. We were like, come on, let's hurry it up. And so, you know, another part of this, too, that's very important is caddies. Everybody out on tour now relies on their caddies heavily, right? And so they're the ones getting us the yardage, confirming the yardage, checking the win, making sure all this other stuff is good. So if you get a, and I'm not bashing any caddies. I'm not saying that that's the issue.

What I'm saying is that it's a part of the equation to calculating into the full time it takes to play a round of golf. You know, these guys are maybe walking fractionally slower because they have huge, heavy bags on or whatever. It takes them longer to get there sometimes. And sometimes they don't know where the sprinklers always are because we're switching tournaments and all that. And we don't know the golf courses very well and whatnot.

And so that's got to be added into it as well. It's not just the players hitting the shot. It's about the preparation going into it. Let's say the caddy gets up there first, and he gets all the numbers, and you get up there like, oh, it's 125, you know, wins into us this, let's play effectively this, go, boom, that easy. But if you've got a guy that's behind you and the player gets to the ball, then the guy start timing you, and then the caddy gets up there finally.

He's got your numbers you're looking at your number book. It just takes a lot longer if the guy isn't up on par with the full. so it's another part of it that is very important that people don't talk about you have walking go ahead you know to a lot of people that would sound like this is a guy a slow player who's looking for any excuse to say that he's not a slow player right like here's a video of him taking two minutes and ten seconds to hit a put and he's talking about cat he can't find sprinklers and he's reaching that's like to a lot of people that's what that comes off like that's what that's exactly but that is the exact opposite I'm just saying that's a part of that's a part of it that's a part of it you know I'm looking at the the whole thing is an equation saying, look, is the player obviously hitting the shot? It's obviously how fast we're walking. It's obviously the caddies that help that get put in from the caddies. It's also the time it takes to walk a 7,500 to 8,000-yard golf course.

And it's also the time in between holes, you know, and if there's galleries or things or whatever that's going on, I mean, it's a very complex system. If you start breaking it down, but I'll tell you right now that I'm not putting blame on anyone else but myself for that two-minute video. 100% my fault, no doubt. Same point in time, we've got to look at how it's structured, is that I had the ability to use that two minutes because we were under time parr.

We were perfectly acceptable. Now, me being courteous to these other guys or not courteous to these other guys is the way it looked. That's not what I'm trying to do at all. That's not me one bit. And I, you know, I think you're right. I think it's, I think it is. It's, it's, it's, 65 million. Right.

And, you know, and I, that's another thing that's nice about the PJ tournament. You know, you guys make a lot of money. But we, you know, it's, it's tricky and so tricky and been tricky for everyone. People pulling quotes from 1939 about Ben Hogan and then bitching about how slow he was. People are pulling quotes from, you know, or stats. Brandel was pulling stats from Jack Nicholas in 1986. The fact that he took like two minutes to line up his eagle putt on 15 at the Masters on Sunday.

And it's like, what are you going to cut those seconds or those not important seconds in the history of golf? So obviously it's crazy complicated. And I do, I mean, I think almost all of us here pretty much agreed that it wasn't fair that all of a sudden you became like this poster boy for slow play. And what you're doing and defending yourself is going out and saying, look, man, I know that that video was slow. But if you look at all the different pieces, you know, it's, that's just not deserving of all the backlash that I'm getting. So my question would simply be like, what would you say the solution is? Is it just penalized people when they take more than, you know, a certain amount of seconds? Do you start counting them from the minute that they walk off the T?

Like, what is the solution? Because clearly people are upset about slow play. Yeah, absolutely. I think a possible solution. One thing that could be very helpful is that, yeah, we take a total, we time everyone. Essentially, everybody gets timed from the moment you tee off to the time you put in the flagstick on the last hole. And we're individually timed. So, you know, how long it takes you to walk there, how long it takes you to play when it's your turn to play,

and you add them all individually. It needs to be individually timed. And if it's an accumulative total of X and it's over the allotted amount of time, that it should take you to walk and play your shot and finish the hole, and if it say three times during the course of a round, you get penalized. You know, that could be one way. Another way, oh, man, that's the best way that I've found. You know, it could be four-hold, whatever it is, you know,

but it's out of position and you take more than a lot of time. You've got to make it up somewhere else. So you look at how long it'll take them to walk the ball. Well, I was going to this, okay, so it's fine. It's totally fine. So those are, you know, a couple that we could do it. But everyone is to say, hey, look, this is how long it took him to walk to the, how long it took him to hit the shot.

You know, he did it for 30% of the time during the round, and that's warranting a one-job penalty. You know what I mean? So you could do it a couple different interesting ways, but that's the best way that I've come up with. And I'm totally on par with that. I think penalizing players would be good, you know, I don't know if that makes sense or has any relevance to you guys, but that's my thoughts on it so far.

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could you take brooks kepka in a fight oh man i don't even know where to go with that one you're sneaky big guy i was gonna tell you people on twitter when that one tweet was going around being like oh bryson doesn't want that brook smoke those are people who haven't seen you in person you're built like a lineback you're sneaky big guy i'm When we first ran into you at the Zurich Classic and we had been making fun of you for a while, we were like,

we were like, oh shit, he's bigger than we thought he was. No one's more like on that side than me. I talked so much shit on Bryson, saw him for the first time in person. I did a little duty in my mind. He's kind of a house.

I mean, I'm a little bitch boy when it comes to that stuff. But yeah, Bryson's no joke. Let's just say you see me pissed off on the golf course. And that's it. You guys know what can potentially come out. Do you,

you know, with all these different pros coming out, you know, chirping you on social media and not all of them having the balls to kind of do what Brooks Kepka did and talk to you in person, are you going to hold some grudges out there? Are you taking notes about, you know, which some of these guys were coming at you? No, I don't, I don't, I don't ever hold grudges. What I do hold is a level of respect. And if, you know, they don't come up and talk to me about it, then, yeah, I mean, I won't

have that level of respect for them because it's just clearly a play to this is your play what is what is the reason to make that play in a sense you know you're just trying to gain traction you're trying to gain whatever you see what I'm saying it doesn't necessarily make sense and you know because he's a prominent golfer I would have thought he would have had the level of respect, especially I played with them before, to come up and talk to me about it, not over social media platforms. Who are we talking about specifically here? You're kind of cutting in and out.

Well, let's just say, oh, sorry about that. Sorry. I'm talking about Eddie Pepperill. Yeah. Making that comment, you know, it would be awesome if I could talk to him. Now I get he's overseas, but if he read me about it, he's got potential to have no issue. It's on the PJ tour and he can easily get it and we can talk about it.

You know, but to try and do that and, let's say, gain traction on his tweets and stuff is kind of, kind of clicky and childish for the most part. But at the same point in time, I still hold a level of respect for him. I think he's got the opportunity to do it. And there's a lot of other guys that have the opportunity to do it. And, you know, from my perspective, I still view them with the level of respect that they deserve until further notice. If they don't say anything and they just walk past me, when I see them next, and there's obviously a different level of respect that I'll have for them, but I don't hold grudges.

That's something that's childish and something that I won't do. On the respect side of it, yeah, absolutely, there is a difference there. Do you have a standard calculation for how wind affects putts? Oh, yeah, this is a big one. Yeah, yeah, we were going to – that's what you guys were talking about a little while ago, right? Oh, yeah, that was last – last week's show. So who ended up at the Northern Trust? hitting the ball past the whole.

Troy Merritt. So that's really confirmed what Lurch was saying here. But, I mean, we got into a debate. Didn't confirm anything. Lurch just threw a formula against the wall and hoped that it's stuck here. And somehow it paid off instantly.

Luckily, guys, we're talking mathematician over here. We're talking to the scientists and I'm just going to have to say. You started throwing a couple of Xs in there and variables. I loved it. Did he send that to you? Oh, no.

In this last couple things he was saying, he said the word X. I was like, oh, boy, we're getting going. go. So basically what we're saying is like, is there like a standard, like, you know, 10 miles an hour equals this amount of inches with wind pushing the ball on a green? So let me tell him my formula and then I'll be as far off. All right. Let me hear it. Let me hear it. So 10 MPH, 10 foot putt, 10 stint green blows at one inch. I'm pretty damn close. Love that.

It's a big moment. Love that, Bryson. It's a big moment. Yeah, so what's your standard calculation for it? Sorry, cut out there. Can you guys hear me? Yep, we got you. You're back. Yeah, what's your standard calculation? What's your standard calculation for how wind affects puts?

So he's hit the nail right on the head. It's pretty much about 10 feet. On a Stemp 11, we've noticed it move about an inch to just a little bit more than an inch. All right. Go, Larry. Let's go. That's experimental. That's experimental stuff.

So, you know, we've pretty much, we have an ananometer, and it's just a wind gauge. It's called the wind gauge, guys. The best part is I'm the worst putter you've ever seen. It may not help your putting, but it may get you in a better general area. But if you can't stroke it well, then all bets are off. That may not matter, just like I did on eight. I appreciate that. Yeah.

When you were talking about eight, they were all just pointing at me while you're going through that. Yeah. So pretty much we'll notice on if it's a flat put, let's say, let's say 1% slope. You guys know what a 1% slope is, right? I mean, I was going to say yes, but everyone knew I'd be lying there, so. All right, so 1% grade. So you know like a house, you have the roof. Yep.

There's a percent gradient. There's a slope to it. And that's essentially what we do on the greens is we have, you know, let's say a 1% gradient, 2, 3, 4, whatever, right? 1% is almost impossible to see with your eyes, with the naked eye. Okay. But let's say, but 1% slope, it can break it one way. So if you're a 10-foot put, you have a 10-foot put, and it's a 1% slope,

and the wind is pumping it the other direction of the slope. So against the slope, let's say, or up the slope, that 1% slope. You can effectively have a net straight putt. So normally it would break from 10 feet 2 inches, and, sorry, excuse me, it'll break 10 feet, 10 feet, 1% to excuse me on a stamp 11 it's 2 inches my bad every every every 5 feet on a stem 11 is 1 inch on a stem 10 you're correct it's 1 inch stem 11 every 5 feet is 1 inch so 10 feet 2 inches and on 10 feet on a 1% slope it's right edge let's say so the break is right to left and on a 10 footer stem 11 when the wind's blowing up the slope or across the slope,

it will be a dead straight putt. So I've actually noticed, like, you'll have a put that's under 1% and I'll have a put that breaks the complete opposite way because of wind. And it's consistent wind, you know? Right. See, to me, this is all just...

It's fucking wild. It's just a bunch of bullshit. It should just be... You fucking get down there, you read, right edge, and they hit the butt. You just listen to what he said. How does it not take him two minutes to hit an eight-foot? I was so in the weeds there when we were into it.

I was like, where am I? Think about what's going on in this guy's head when he's looking at an eight-foot putt. I mean, he's got the stamp. He's got the degrees. He's thinking about roofs. Like, I go up there and I just knock. I know, but I smack the ball at it, and that's why I'm one of the worst. He's the gift from the hangover where there's just numbers and calculations flying around all over the plates.

Like, man. Bryson, how, like, how, I mean, obviously you have a system, but how, like, how natural does this come to you, though? But, like, how natural does this. Yeah, take us to wait. This started when I was, this started when I was 15. So like when I was 15 I started doing all this aim point stuff And I soon realized that there was something

That was a little bit better And Yo, what's up? How's it going? Who's that? Gary Woodling? Is that Gary? No, no, no, no.

No way. Never mind. Sorry, guys. Interesting. That seems secretive. I like that. All right, all right. Fine.

Hey, guys. What's up, guys? Take out Eddie Pepper. Enjoy the night, guys. What if he sees Eddie in there? We just hear, All right, I'm back, boys He's not in the FedEx Cup playoffs

Nice, nice Man, Bryson's He always has his zinger He was that way So anyway The process, right? The process What was I saying before?

Petting process Every time someone interrupts you You just go way off the realm So 15 Right, 100% This is the way my brain works All right, a little ADD but it's okay.

So, when I was 15, I read this book called the vector putting and realized that there was an easier way of the name point. So kind of built my own system

with it, and we verified it through this company called Putt View. I don't know if you've ever heard a Putt View. What do you mean? What does that mean? Well, we essentially

took the numbers that Colonel H.A. Templeton gave us. He was actually one of the first test pilots of the SR-71, the Blackbird. Oh, yeah. That dude, and flew.

Yeah. So, side note, sorry, I'm going to side track, that Blackbird when it was initially built. No,

no, no, no, this is a terrible example of, I do not think about any of this long,

but side note, real quick. This is actually a cool story. The SR 71 actually would leak gas because when it took off, the metal actually,

it was so hot. The takeoff was so hot that expanded the metal and sealed the gas tank shut, but they couldn't have it be shut initially because it would explode the gas tank if they took off that fast with that much heat. So anyway, that was kind of a... I just watched the aviator, so I know a little bit about like fast planes. Leonardo Capri movie?

unbelievably. Aviator is a great movie. Oh, I had no idea what I was getting into going into it. I have not seen it, but I've heard it's a great movie. I did not know we were going to be talking about. airplanes right now, but anyway, so back to my routine. How do airplanes fly? It's a good thing.

I can explain it to. So anyway, going back, you know, 15, 10 years later, we're pretty dang good at green reading on slopes that are planar slopes. You know, planar slope is it's pretty much just like a flat tilted surface. It's like a table that's tilted. You start getting like the geometry of like shoulders in there or bowls or stuff. It starts really messing away. messing with how you can read greens.

It becomes very interesting and difficult. Anyway, so the process is I'll look at the Greens book. As I'm walking up to the Green, look at the Greens book, right? I'll locate the sprinklers relative to my ball and relative to the hole. So immediately when I get up there, you'll see me walk from a sprinkler of the ball under the hole. My catty helps me do that. We locate it within 10 seconds.

It's not difficult one bit. Then what we do is what I do is I see the slope. I walk off the distance. So I'll say a 12-footer. It's on a 2% slope, and immediately a number is generated, which is 14 inches on the stem 11 green. And then based on where I am in relation to the straight putt, that is where I align what I would call my, you know,

you could say aim point or vector or whatever you want to call it, essentially my aim point. And from that, I then pretty much double-check with my eyes. the longest part for me is actually reading it with my eyes to confirm that the books are right because sometimes the books are wrong and that creates controversy in my brain oh no and that's a part of the that's a part of the biggest issue that takes me sometimes a little bit longer as i'll look at something i'll be like man what the heck that does not look anything like the book and then then that's when it takes forever that's when it sucks but when the book looks right and the green

looks right i look at i'm like that is the two percent slow it's perfect no problems no problems whatsoever. And the one last thing, too, that really messes with things is grain. Sometimes grain can go in the opposite direction, and that really messes with stuff. That's just a lot. That's a lot that's going in a lot. But, you know, everybody's got their own system, like you said. So, you know, you do you, and you're not the only one.

You know, does it piss you off? And somebody like Brooks Kevka just steps up and just like wax a butt and they go in? Yeah. I've always had to work twice as hard my whole entire goddamn life. Pisses me the hell off. In school, dude, I had to study twice as long to get the same grades Some of the guys who were smart in there, but I just don't have that, I don't know what it is. I've got the dedication, but certainly don't have the, I don't know,

most people would hate me for saying this, but the talent, you know, I don't feel like I've got this an eight, just God-guessid ability. I've, like, had to work twice as hard as everyone to get from that. I'm imagining, like, Brantznetterker, like, walk it up there, taking one quick look and then just like his little pop stroke right in there, and you're just standing there like, what the fuck, man? Dude, for a year on tour, I was pissed about it all. I'm totally, you know what?

I've just got to figure out a way to be better than them. And so, you know, sometimes, sometimes I'll look at a pun and just know it. And it happens. It's when I putt really well, but sometimes my brain doesn't see it. My brain is not working. So you ever abandon the book? Like in a situation like that, are you just like, no, no, I just see it. This is easy?

100%. 100%. That's the way it works. I mean, you know, it's probably, when we get good Greens book, and I'm, Green's books, and I'm looking at it, and everything's matching up, I'll use them. But when the books aren't matching, I will go with my eyes 90% of the time. Interesting. You know.

So with that, so like, at the same day, at the same point, you know, you could hit the pot and then it breaks like the book setting, you're like, fuck, you know, and what? I should have looked at the book, you know? And so then it really messes with you for the next couple. You live and die by the book, Bryson. That's like what you, like, you know, you walk up there and you have this entire system. And sometimes it's going to take you longer. Sometimes your brain is not going to believe in it.

But like, but that's just your process. And that's just how you became a professional, extremely successful golfer. And honestly, the more you break down, like obviously we knew everything, the scientists and all the science stuff behind it. But like, it obviously goes, it takes you a longer time to process exactly. what you're going to do when you're approaching a shot or approaching a put because you go through things that guys don't go through. You like, you do certain things that a guy, a normal, an average guy on the, on the PJ tour probably doesn't go through to hit a put. What is J.B. Holmes doing out there. And then when you miss an 8-footer by five feet, it looks back. Correct.

100%. 100%. Now, in regards to J.B. Holmes, he's been a great dude to me. I've been a great, hopefully been a great dude to hit to him. I've respect for him. The golf course, I've never played with him. I don't know what goes on. That's something. thing I can't comment about. I really don't know what those are going on. You guys don't have like a slow players group that goes to Applebee's. He's a little bit. Every Tuesday night, you guys just like slowly order your appetizers.

Like, oh, where the hell's J.B? Like, oh, you know, him. He's not, he's not. I think I'm going to take the meatloat. No, yeah, you know what? They go to DMV. You know, you that cartoon with the sloth? He's like, the sloth is the DMV guys.

Like, can I get your ID? That's like, that's Bryce and J.B. Oh, yeah. Oh, man. Oh, he's just. Just busting your balls. Just having a good old time. Don't worry about it.

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I was, you know, because people are just calling out slow play, all that stuff on 14 or I. They're just calling me a slow player and all that, fun stuff after I just took 20 seconds at my tee shot, walk up there and, you know, just see I'm just absolutely boned.

And got this pin high chip shot that's just on a lip and sliding down. Dude, am I building a stand? So I call over and a. official because I don't want to be breaking any rules or anything like that. Yeah, we saw you. It looked like you had a bad back as you were trying to gain your stance there. Yeah, exactly. It looked like an old dude.

And he was getting in there and trying to figure it out. He said, you're fine just as long as you don't push too hard or too much. I was like, okay, what does that mean? He's like, I don't know, but whatever, let's go, like usual. And so I got in there and just praying that I make contact and to chunk it and flub it and everybody go, see, you're slow, you're slow, you're slow. all that shit, right? And so I'm down the shaft and probably got like,

I'm probably holding it 15 to 20 inches from a hospital. And I just, I'm like, just go. Just hit it. So I just hit it, right? And this thing comes out hot and I'm like, shit, this thing's going to go forever. And it's looking actually pretty good. Like it's riding along with the flag. And it flies in the hole.

And I'm like, oh, thank God. Thank God. because everybody was going to give me so much. I went long, missed the pot, and they just yelled out, slow player and all that. But it is what it is. And then I couldn't believe I saw you all walking over. And I feel really bad, Frankie, man. I did not mean to say that.

I mean, for anyone that doesn't know, Bryson walked by and said, what do you say, a little bit better than Frankie, huh? Yeah, oh, yeah. Well, you know, it's a cheap shot. You're feeling good at the moment. You know, I'll give that to you. You've had the heat coming on you all weekend. I'll give you a win there.

I appreciate that. Thank you. I need a win. Yeah, yeah. No. Yeah, I'll always be here for your punching bag. I mean, you, Justin Thomas, whenever someone wants to get like good graces on Twitter or stuff, just come at me. I mean, I'm there.

That was a pretty low blow today, man. That was cool. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So Briggs gets his eyes fixed, which, you know, you haven't congratulated him on that yet, Bryson. You know, he's, you know. I totally forgot about that, dude.

I'm so happy. happy for you, man. Thank you, I mean, personally, I don't, I don't judge people, you know,

anyway, I would have never seen him for, you're cutting in and out real quick. You're cutting in and out. You're cutting in and out. You're cutting in and out. And this is probably purposely cutting out. Yeah.

There's got to be a hot time. No, no, no, I was, I was saying that personally, I don't judge people by the way they look, but that's your own, you know, stuff.

So go be it, you know, and do your own thing. I feel bad for rigs, because I don't judge, but you guys do. And so that's your fault. We did judge him, yeah. That's true.

I was judged quite a bit, but now, you know, I've come. Bracian, it's so straight. So what did you do? What was that process? It's so straight now that I came and look them in the eyes. Frankie said it's distracting that my eyes are straight now. I can't look at me. No, so what was, how did you get it fixed?

Did they like pop your eye out and twist it or what they do? It's really good. From like a sad part too, like the smartest guy that I'll talk to. Yeah. To come out with that logic. Pop it out, lick it first. It's like a little stamp. No, what's the,

they hit the back of his head. It went like it's Mr. Potato Head over here, for Christ's sake. They just bang his head on the table or something? Christmas vacation, got kicked by a mule, went cross-up, got kicked again, was now straight. So funny. Long story short, Bryce said, thank you for asking. They knock me out. They cut my eye open.

They tweak the muscles a little bit, and then they sewed me back up. It'll be red for a couple weeks, and then I should be good to go. is a muscle thing. Gotcha. That's interesting. Muscles were just slightly off, which led to a little bit of not straightness, and hopefully now we'll be straightness. Frankie thinks I'm dead straight.

Have you always lived with that, or was it something developed over time? I had had a procedure when I was like six years old, and then I wore glasses until I was like 13 or 14, and then I stopped wearing glasses because I had perfect vision. And then from then it just kind of got worse and worse. And I decided to go see an ophthalmologist. Kind of ran off on you. Yeah. That's fine.

Get your shots in. No, that's fine. I don't blame it. I don't blame it at all. Get your shots. I'm interested. And then I went in, saw an ophthalmologist. He said, yeah, it's a 15-minute procedure.

You come in. We'll tweak the muscles. It'll be a little sore, a little red for a couple weeks. You'll be good to go. Boom. Now, that's sick. So growing up, okay, so I don't know. I'm not judging.

I'm not anything. Okay. Please do not take this in that way. I'm telling this around on me. I like it. It's great. No, no, no, no, no. I'm interested because I don't know the answer.

So when you're looking at a different angle, which I do you see out of? And is it like a double vision thing? Very good question. It is. Do you see normal or is it? So I have, I have 20-20 vision in both eyes, but I have horrific binocular vision, or I used to, which is, you know, essentially my depth perception. So, you know, I almost. So you're divergent eye.

You have divergent eyes. Exactly. So like 90% of that feed of depth perception. stuff came from my left eye, which is my good eye, and my right eye was shit. So I was essentially seeing a lot of things in like 2D is basically the best way to describe it. And now I'm going to have significantly better in theory. And I've already noticed it binocular vision, which should very much improve my depth perception.

He can, he'll be a better skeet shooter. I was a horrible skeet shooter, man. I was fucking terrible. Well, maybe you only see one ball this time when you're hitting the shots. Yeah, I hope so. There you go. I hope so. Also, now to bring it back to what J.T.

So Justin Thomas just came out of the clouds today. So Riggs put up a tweet, like Frankie Burley said that, like, he can't even look at me because my eyes are so straight. And then Justin Thomas, just sitting on his couch somewhere was just firing off this tweet saying, well, now you can see Frankie Braley's skulled wedges now. Like, oh, fuck off, Justin. Like I'm already taking it from every angle, man. But, you know, like I said, Bryson, I will be your punching bag. That's just what I mean, I guess that's what I'm here for, right? To the top 10 players in the world.

Top 10 players in the world. If any other punching bad. If the top 10 players in the world wants to like punch down on me, I'll take that punch down on me. I'll take that punch. That's fine. Anytime. Yeah.

I was making pizzas three years ago. You think I give a shit. There you go. That's a great way to look at it, you know? You've gained fame because of it. That's true. All right. So what, are we in Chicago right now?

We're getting geared up for Medina? Yeah, dude. Golf course is pure. I've got to say it's going to be a great test of golf. It's a driver's test this week. You know, the bombers are going to, probably do really well here. And,

uh, you know, I had some driver issues last week and besides all the slow play stuff, uh, had some driver issues. And if I had a drove it better, I'd had a chance to win last week.

And so worked on it today this morning and got that dialed in. Feel pretty dang good this week. So I'm looking forward to a good one. Maybe, uh, put me on a, one of the fantasy things. I don't know. I might want to do that.

I was going to say it sounds like you like your chances out there by Dina, which, you know, that's good to hear. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Never know. Is it distracting at all when you play, having all this other shit going on? Absolutely. I mean, I'm human, man. I think about all this stuff. And it doesn't necessarily affect me when I'm over a shot,

but I will say that walking between shots and hearing people and all that. It's just kind of a little disrespectful. It's like, look, we're trying to do something good for you guys and provide y'all with some cool entertainment and great shots and stuff. I get that bantering and stuff is fun for you guys, and it's fun for you, he gets entertainment, but it's like golf is a little bit of a game where respect is kind of thought of

is the first thing you need to do, and it just seems like we're losing a little bit of that. And I'm all about bantering, having a great time, and giving people crab, but when it starts becoming a reputation that you know is not necessarily the full story, I'm not saying that I'm not slow in certain instances, which I am,

but when it's 1% or 2% whatever it is at the time that it's happening and you're making it into I'm that way every single shot, it's kind of a little, it's disheartening because I care about my reputation. I care about the way I look. You know, I want people to see that I'm trying to do good for the world. I'm not necessarily trying to hurt people or do anything. I'm just trying to play golf, have a good time, and make a great living

and influence people's lives in a positive way. For example, like the one-length club, think of it as a gimmick and stuff, and it's nice. Like, I'm trying, there's a lot of people out that I've heard from that, you know, appreciate what I've done. And I feel happy because of it. It's great that I did something positive for the world, you know, and keep doing that throughout my life.

You know, I'm always coming up with new ideas, coming up with new cool things. Outside of the game of golf that people have no idea about, you know, and I'm trying to do the right thing. So it's not like I'm crying out for help or anything, but it's just saying that, look, there's more, don't judge a book by its cover, you know. It's just like not by what you guys truly are.

You guys are hopeful with what you do. You show the true players out on tour because we. Cutting in and out again, Bryce. You cut in and out. Every time you try to say something nice. I feel like you're saying. Bryce is giving us compliments there and we just. We missed all of them.

Got to go back. No, and what I was saying is I really appreciate what you guys have done. You've given players which not, can you hear me? Yeah, it's actually amazing. It's kind of like a comedy script. All right, one more time. Go. It's almost like you're trolling us.

You basically go, all right, so you guys are so great in this aspect. I'm, I am a double tree or Weston, whatever. It's not working. I don't know. Wi-Fi or. No, now you sound crystal clear. It doesn't work now. Don't do it.

Okay, I'm going to stay right here and not move. All right. Sounds great. So what I was saying, guys, is that, you know, I really appreciate what you all have done for the golf and community. You guys have given us a different type of look into our lives and not through this closed-off section. It's like it's personal, it's real. You're showing Kisner in a light that nobody's seeing him. You're showing.

me in the light that nobody really sees me. And I really appreciate that you guys take the time to ask the questions and ask the good questions. And that's what reporting is about. That's what it should be about. And so I commend you guys for what you do. And I always have the utmost respect for what y'all are about. You know, and I appreciate y'all letting me come on and talk about it.

Crystal clear right there, buddy. Thank God we got that part. We're all patting ourselves in the back right now, Bryson. I know, Bryson. So, I mean, the other part, the other part about like your reputation and how people are going to perceive you and stuff like you could take this one or two ways you can go out and you can like bitch on twitter and like put up all these like these like crazy like you know rants and stuff that like some athletes will go on and do and they just look so like nonrelatable or you can

come on a show like for play with barstool and our following which is our you know a huge following at the golf courses and probably half the guys that are screaming at you stupid stuff like buttern eyes and all the stupid shit and and and coming on our show just shows like that like you want to give your voice to the people and the majority of the young crowd that's going to these golf events like you want you want to get your side of story out before it gets spawner it gets like you know taken out of control

on social media and like that's like all we we asked for as like podcast host of a barstool network is we want to just hear like the real shit from a guy that maybe going through something or like a big time athlete like you're showing us aside like you're sitting in a hotel room right now trying to give I mean this is like the biggest

story in the golf world right now is your fucking pace of play and you're sitting here for an hour talking to us about like what you think should be done, why you said you messed up or like why it should have been taken one way or the other. And airplanes. That's fucking awesome, dude. Like anyone that can't respect that just doesn't understand like what we're doing here. We're trying to get the real side of someone and you're doing it.

Yeah, just to add on top of that. There's a lot of professional athletes would not come on to the show right now in the position that you're in the shit that you're taking. Like Frankie said, it's one of the biggest stories in sports. It's certainly the biggest story in golf right now. Other guys would, you know, it was on CNN, man. It was on CNN. and then they'd hole up in their rooms, they'd throw their phone away,

they wouldn't dare near go a podcast, but you came on. You're an open book. You've always been good to us, giving us straightforward answers. So, like you were giving us a compliment. We want to give you a compliment. It's very noble for you to come on the show. Thanks, guys. It means a lot.

And just know that anything you guys ever need, man, I'm here for you all. And, you know, hopefully down the road we'll keep doing some great things together in the golfing world. You know, that's what we need to do is just show the real light of what the PGA tour is all about and what you guys are about and making this a hugely successful and positive thing for everyone to enjoy. We appreciate it, Bryce. We appreciate the time.

Last thing I got to say is you had one quote where you said I hate playing golf. I absolutely hate it. That's not true, is it. Yes, it is true, actually. Right now, it's the worst time to ask you. Damn it. All right, man. I'll say this.

I love competitive golf. That is what I love. Going out and just playing for fun. unless it's for money or for whatever, you know, I stay in the range. I'll stay in the range and, you know, have a protein shake or something and mess around with different ideas. How about that?

I've seen you tinkering out there. I can tell you enjoy that part of it. So, you know, good to know. Always. All right, man. Hey, seriously, we appreciate the time. Good luck the rest of the way through the FedEx Cup playoffs. I'm sure we'll see out some events soon.

But it means a lot that you did this. We appreciate it. Appreciate you guys are coming out this week? I don't think we're actually going to be in Chicago. but we're going up. We got a whole Barstool Classic event, so I don't think we'll be able to make it the tournament, unfortunately. We're playing Aaron Hills.

You have any tips for me? Well, hit it really far. Get an illegal driver and hit it 400 yards. He probably will do that. Matt is three. Matt Fitzpatrick said every inch he adds on, what was it, an extra 10 yards. He added seven yards by adding an inch to his drive.

I'll add 17 inches that driver. Oh, shit. Sorry. All right. Great speaking with you, man. Thanks, very enjoyable. See you guys. Have a go, guys.

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We talked about it. Stunning. New eye, but, you know, they kind of go as a pair now. It's a stunning thing that happened. I kept it very, very quiet. You know, in this world with Dave, with all, you know, you just, whatever. If you don't know, I've had a lazy eye for a long time, got to fix. So it's red.

Your roommate had no idea. Lurch. The only person I really knew was Jake, and he knew, like, the day before because I was like, hey, you need to come film at my apartment. I knew that it was happening, like, in the distance, but I didn't know it was happening that day. I thought it was happening like September, October. I find myself looking at your new eye more than the other one now. Is that right? Yeah, I just stare at it.

Really? Yeah. And are you stunned that they're looking back at you again? It's crazy. I told Riggs today he came up to me. We were trying to have a norm. You keep bringing this up. We were,

I mean, I can't. Oh, yeah. We talked about this with Bryson. I just, I had to say it again. I couldn't have a conversation with Riggs.

I had to look down and finish it. You were just like this. I was like, it just feels wrong. I've known him for three years now. And we talk every day. And like, you just changed your eyes.

That's like not a normal. It's like something that, um, Mission Impossible he does. So he can go into a secure room. He's not supposed to be able to go into. He gets new eyes. You are right, though, Frankie.

It's not something that people always change or anyone in your life. It's not something I'm supposed to be prepared for. No one else in your life. I'm supposed to be prepared for. Up to this point and definitely going forward are going to have a similar procedure, I would imagine. So Riggs is kind of the only person in our lives ever who is going to have his eyes straight out. You talk to someone for three years. Yep.

And they have a certain eye. Or just a certain look. And now they just don't have that anymore. It's true. Like your eyes too define like your look in the way that you like communicate with someone. Looking people in the eye is a thing. It's a huge thing. I'm doing it right now when I'm talking to learn.

I'm looking at his eyes. I'm looking at rigs. That eye still red. It looks great though. It's just too red. There's no doubt about it. Part of the only process. It's a big change.

But if you're happy, then we're all happy. I'm happy. Very excited. It's just it's a lot of fun. Oh yeah. I will say with the redness. I think I'm scaring people on the subway. Yeah.

It's red. Because I'm so close to them and nobody expects it. It's getting. less, it's, well, do people think that you have pink eyes? It's still super,

they don't tell, nobody communicates the subway. Hello, sir, I think, no, it's just like, subway. They could be screaming stuff at you. When I'm really cool.

Pink eye! And they just run up and down. The point is on the subway, you're so close to people that by the time they make that eye contact, it's so close that they're just like, whoa. I already got it.

Also making eye contact in the subway is the scariest thing in the world. Dave called you a monster. Yeah, Dave's an asshole. And everybody else is giving me compliments today. Like, you were like, it looks so straight. Straight.

Pete came up to me. He was like, bro, it looks fucking great. Fidelberg's all excited. He's like, dude, you're back. This is great. And Dave's just being an asshole about him. So that's, you know, that's to be expected. We talked about that.

Obviously, Bryson, as you people heard. Before we get into all the other topics, I just was scrolling through Twitter as we're doing the show. Phil Mickelson put up a video 59 seconds ago from when we're releasing this. So we actually record this on Monday, August 12th. Oh, God. This is, there's comes a whole thing he's going to do. You are outrageously prepared.

I haven't finished my sentence, you asshole. What are you going to say? What I was going to say was when this gets released. Be smart of you not to say what we all think you're going to say. When this gets released, it's going to be Tuesday, August 13th, which happens to be my birthday. It would have been smarter of you to go somewhere else with that comment, then pitch it later. But you're just an idiot. Well, no, I'm excited for you, Frankie.

The only reason I bring it up now is because I'm talking about a video that came out 59 seconds ago. I don't want to confuse people if they look at Twitter and they're like, oh, that was yesterday. It's great. No, it actually came out the day before Frankie's birthday. know it's amazing. So anyone listening, it is my birthday last week. It's my birthday.

It's my birthday today. When we recorded on Wednesday for Thursday show, we talked about your birthday. Anyway, Phil Mickelson puts out this video on the 12th saying the one and only Tiger Woods was nice enough to take out time of his busy schedule to join me on Fireside with Phil. And my heart sank. I'm like, no fucking way. And it ended up just being Phil talking in front of a couple candles and a Tiger Woods picture on an iPad.

I wonder where this could be because it's two minutes and 19 seconds. We got to talk about all the times I beat him and then in parentheses one. one time. Okay. So yeah, go and watch that. That's a huge guess that go on that show. Yeah, huge guess. Zach Johnson, Tiger Woods?

Just massive. Huge. Barstle classic this weekend in Chicago, just kind of updating people. We're going to be in Chicago Thursday Friday, and then we're going up to Aaron Hills on Saturday. We've got Harborside International. This is probably the biggest, like, blowout stop that we've had so far.

Huge city, obviously Chicago. It's a summer Friday, which changes everything. It's very different than a Monday, which a lot of our events have been on. And everybody's going to be there. We've got like all the Barstall, Chicago guys are going to be there. Our whole team, everybody on this show right now going to be there. We've got Paige Sprannick and Taylor Cusack, who they raised 10 grand for Cyber Smile, which is a charity organization that Page works with.

We've got the guys from Golf WRX who do a bunch of equipment stuff. We gave them a spot. Our Aaron Hills guys, they've got a crew. So a couple guys that caddied for me and Lurch that we became boys with. They're coming down and a couple other people who work at Aaron Hills, and then they're taking us back up to Aaron Hills because our guys. because our guy Steve, who won the auction, he paid $8,000, over $8,000. All that money going to Social T's, which they do awesome work for dogs.

They place dogs from shelters, and they're going to basically die, place them with great families. So we raised over $8,000 for that. The prize was you get to play 18 holes with the boys at a really cool course. So Steve and three of his buddies are playing with all four of us. We're going up to Aaron Hills Friday night, playing Saturday. It's going to be a hell of a weekend. And then we've got Granite Links, which my old stopping grounds, on Monday in Boston is another Barstool Classic there.

And then the following Monday at Pound Ridge, just up just a little bit north of the city here, is the final Barstool Classic qualifier of the year. Championship will be a Liberty National October 15th. We're getting that close to being done. It's crazy town. Yeah, Chicago has a chance to be mayhem. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, it could be a problem. But it's also going to be so much fun. Yeah. And Granite Links, I've only heard incredible things about the golf course. I mean, I know Whitney talks about it and all the guys from Boston. Yeah, it looks unbelievable. from the pictures I've seen. So that should be, I mean, the next two stops are just prime time.

Well, cousin Murray and cousin Linda are playing in the Grandinx one. It's worth the price of admission right there. Cousin Michael be there. Dave's dad will be there. Talk about slow play. Holy moly. So, yeah, it's a big week coming up for all of us, so we're excited. I got to say that splinter van is not a thing.

It's a sprinter van. Not one of us caught that. We just kept calling a splinter van. I wouldn't know either way. When did we talk about that? We were talking about the van that taking us from Aaron Hills, from Chicago up to Aaron Hills, and we were calling it a splinter van. A million people message us.

Like, the fact that there's four of you on the show, five of you include Jake who's sitting in the chair, and not one of you fucking corrected it from splinter van to sprinter van is annoying. So apologies. It's so close and it's just not a thing that I care too much about. I mean, that was a miss. That was a miss by us, the fact that we didn't recognize. I'm going to continue to call a splinter van. We should just call it.

I'm actually going to put all over social six splenterians. Van Ryd. Don't let the people on the social media machines dictate what you call sprinter and splinter thing. I apologize for being pushed around by then. Fuck that. Shout out to the PGA Tour. They credentialed me at the Northern Trust this last week.

Look, we have a storied history. I'd call it tumultuous. Tumultuous. Tumultuous history with the PGA Tour. I'll tell the quick story. I've told it again. But before I tell it, I would again, I'd like to give them a big, you know, a lot of credit and a big thank you.

They credentialed me that's two in a row now, Travelers Championship I was credentialed. And Northern Trust has. past weekend, Liberty National, I was credentialed. We have a history, and that history goes back to the New Orleans, the Zurich Classic. Two years ago, Trent Daddy and I went down. We filmed a video with Kyle Rivers and Beef. It was the first time they were doing a team event in years, like decades, first time they're doing a team event. So we did a deal.

We were going to go down with those two. We did a team building exercise. We did like trust falls and we were near the range where you couldn't even really tell we were on there. Put the video up. PGA tour said you didn't have rights to fill. film that. We went to the people that bought that video and said, hey, they're asking us to take this down. So we did take it down. We told that story on the next podcast and we called the PGA tour Pussies for having us take it down. Yep. Well, then they called barstool

the next day and said, that's very unprofessional. We'll never work with barstool golf ever again. Would they have the number, like the barstool number? They called our business team. I know. And then a week later, we told that story and called them pussies again for being upset that we called them pussy. We're pretty reckless really. Oh, yeah. Let it fly. That's on us. A couple cats flying around here. That was on us. We were new. It was just me and Trent. We were just fired from the hip like, oh, you think that was bad? We'll just do it even worse.

We'll double down on that. So that was probably a mistake. And so, you know, it took us a couple of years to kind of mend that relationship. And I think we've come a long way. You know, we apologize to PGA tour for areas where we may not have acted appropriately. And they have recognized our platform. And we've all been able to now start to work together a little bit more, which is great. So big thanks to the PGA tour for that.

Let's talk John Deere next year. It's also so funny that, like, all I, know of the PGA tour from being on the show because I've been on the show for like a year. Like they're like Voldemore. Like that's all I hear is like that name. You can't like really talk about it. Like we do all the majors. And I couldn't wrap my head around it.

Like we're going. I was on the driving range of Bryson D. Chambot at the fucking PGA championship at Beth Bade Black. Like why can't we go to the vals bar? I don't understand. It's because Riggs and I repeatedly called them. I just didn't understand. Again, that was probably it was a mistake. It was a mistake.

Looking back, that was probably a mistake. Trent says it's a mistake. You just keep saying it's probably. mistake. It was probably a mistake. That's how I feel about it. I think it was probably a mistake. In the moment, I felt what I was saying.

Everything's a butterfly effect. Yeah, all steps have led to where we are now. Everything's going great. You guys became bad boys of golf. Like, you know, we had, there were talks. We were going to get a motorcycle and leather jackets. That's true. It's awesome.

In black, like, leather jackets, we were going to be a bad boy's at golf. I don't know if that idea should be out the window. No. I think if we show up the John Deer Classic and leather jackets and motorcycles and we're like, the bad boys are here at the John Deer Classic. Bad boys are gone to go. The John Deere would motorcycle and leather, it's not going to be that different. It's really the clientele.

It's not going to be that. Is it leather? Is it like overalls and like bare feet? Assless chaps. Yeah. Yeah. You guys are taking shots of my part of the country. A picture like straw hats and like milk in those glasses that they get dropped off at the front of that.

A little pitch for it. Yeah. Pitchfork. Is that fun? That was fun. That was fun. We're having fun here. Shout out George.

George is a listener. He got his first hole in one yesterday. Hey, we're doing this. Yeah. He sent me when I saw it. And I felt like, man. can't read this and then just not say it. So I don't know that we're going to do all of them.

Saskatoon. First hole in one, Saskatoon, golf and country club 12th hole, first hole in one ever. George, great to go. Fantastic. Fantastic. Well done. Way to go, George. Jason Day, ditches Stevie Williams after just two months.

Jason Day. He seems like kind of a, we said this the first time we ever did a podcast, but we, you know, I think there's some darkness there's some darkness inside Jason Day. There's a little thing with his eyes or it's like, do you think he goes to another world? Well, that's vertigo, I think. Yeah. I know. And if you do, he had some sort of small documentary.

I remember if you read through his Wikipedia page, there's definitely darkness in his past in terms of family going on with that. But yeah, there's just- Which is terrible. Absolutely. Terrible stuff. But it's clearly led to like some problematic relationships. Effect that he getting rid of Steve Williams pretty quickly.

I know he had like his mentor who kind of became his father figure was on his bag forever and like swing coached and they kind of split up and all that. So some stuff going on with Jason Day. And just like from him going to as dominant as he was when he, when he shot like 20 under at Whistling St. He's winning major championships to, like, the last several years, where he's always got a lot of different injuries. It's just something to be.

I think Stevie Williams is kind of losing it, too, bouncing around. Yep. Yeah, because he retired forever to go race, like, monster trucks in fucking New Zealand. Actually. I think he's kind of... Jason was blaming it on, like, a new age old age kind of thing. He said it was old school, new school disconnect. That also could be Steve Williams is kind of, like, off his rocker now.

Totally. Who knows? I like, a little speculation. Yeah. Boys are doing so speculative. Yeah, we don't want to put all in Jason Day. It may not be. He's the intro to our podcast.

He said he was a quick walk. He is. that guy well I want that guy talk to us man dude we saw him on the on the on the drive range we had a chance at pebble beach yeah that was on you guys I fucked up we were on we were on we were on fire right we everyone that we looked at or made eye contact with we just thought like all right now we have like a fucking interview with and like it was going well that's a big dude and you know it was getting dark out and it was towards the end of a day I guess it was the practice rounds right maybe Wednesday or Tuesday whatever and we were out we were

feeling good and I saw Jason damn like there's no chance he's not going to talk to us right behind him and he kind of walks by us. I'm like, holy shit, like that didn't work. And then he comes back. And I guess his girlfriend or wife, whoever, his wife, yeah, his wife is standing next to us. And we're like, oh, man, like, this is going to be our chance. Like, he's obviously going to make eye contact with us because his wife's right here. We're right here. We're a force on the, on the, on the, on the driving range. And he makes eye contact with me for like two full seconds to the point where I, all I need to do is like, hey, Jason, you got a couple seconds. Like, we're, we're going to do something quick.

And I didn't. I just kind of like smiled and nodded. And I thought that would be enough. And he just, looked at me, saw I wasn't going to say anything and just kept walking. And there was, like, everyone in the area knew that, like, I fucked it up. Like, it was that noticeable that I could have grabbed him. It's true. It's true. We'll get it done. Maybe that wasn't the time and place.

Yeah, I guess clearly it was not meant to be. Tiger Woods withdrew from the Northern Trust after one round, posted 75. And then he said, due to a mild oblique strain that led to pain and stiffness, I have to withdraw from the Northern Trust, went for treatment early Friday morning. unfortunately I was still unable to compete. I'd like to thank the fans for their support. You're welcome. And remain hopeful I can compete next week, which of course would be this week.

Then Will Gray of Golf Channel said, for those looking to read the tea leaves, Tiger is listed on the Wednesday pro-am sheet for the BMW, first group out at 6.50 a.m. And is scheduled to meet with media after the round. That's great news. Clearly Tiger Woods had something wrong with him. I mean, he just hasn't been himself ever since Royal Port Rush. You just saw like he was wincing and things just weren't working his swing.

I mean, he was at the north of the north of the, and trust on Thursday, he was missing greens from 110 yards out, like, fully missing the green with a wedge in his hand. And he's probably the best wedge player of all time. He's one of the better iron players to ever have existed in the history of the world. And he was missing the green by a considerable amount. Like the announcers just didn't know what was going on. Like, Tiger Woods missed the green, like just shitting their pants. I like your announcer voice. It's always mid-1920s baseball announcer. Mid-1920s and like Bay Ruth is running way too fast or in the base.

100% of the stuff. stick legs are just working around and Frankie Borelli is there. What's, uh, George Herman Ruth, Babe Ruth is running around the first baseline right now, and he has that hit his 30-second home run. That's pretty good. What a day to be a Yankee fan. A hundred years later, you still think announcers are talking like that. Yeah, you do it really well.

Yeah, you do. You crush that. It is just your go-toe. But you're right. Tiger hasn't been right. He's been-old. I feel like that's your little joke in the pizza shop when you're a kid. Yeah.

Somebody comes to get a pizza and you just rip that off. Yeah, exactly. Lared a dollar tip. Well, Laredo's like a really old pizza guy. I could have talked about him. He's your guy from across overseas, right? Laredo, yeah. He didn't make the pizza when Dave came, but we don't talk about that.

My dad made the pizza. He botched it. He bucknered it. We never talked about that. He barreled it. He did. That's tough. Patrick Reed, wins, Northern Trust.

He kind of does, you know, what he does, which he proved that, you know, under pressure. He was rock salad. He was absolutely rock salad. He went in with a one-stroke lead to the final round. Got it done. Posted a 69. Nice. Way to go, boys.

Hell yeah. Cailed that one. Seventh PGA Tour win. I meant to look up where he's at now in the official golf world golf rankings, trying to figure out how high he is. He's 15th right now. So Patrick Reed, remember he had the whole thing where he won at Doral. He said he's a top five player in the world.

He's kind of been extremely polarizing over the years. Yep, then he became Captain America. Then he kind of was a tumultuous effect on the team last year. He won the master. So it's like, you know, kind of all over the place. Justine Reed. say if people have been following along we know why it's been so tumultuous like i know we're using that word again if uh it's good guy interesting relationships yeah very much so yeah it's you know who's the puppet

master i think we all know but yeah it's good to see him get a win one point six million and he won in a tournament where there were some big names up there in contention like i know my buddies all went on sunday uh to the northern trust um i was somewhere else which we'll get to because it was a certain weekend for somebody and things just happened that happened i didn't have any choice in how is harry potter to talk about it? No, we'll get through Patrick Reed. We'll talk about birthday weekend after, but what I want to get to is that with the, no, people listening weekend. People listening to it. People listen to it. It's my birthday right now. It is. So, you know, they're all looking. And the one thing you do before you go to a tournament is like,

all right, what, like, who are we going to follow and like what's the leader board going to look like? And I know, like, halfway through Saturday, they're all, like, jacked up, like, Rory's in the mix, Jordan Speets in the mix. Patrick Reed's in the mix. They're doing all their things. They're like, we're going to follow all these guys. It's going to be unreal. And then like at the end of the day, like, the guys who were leading weren't like that exciting. And then Patrick Reed just like, you know, ran away with it. Well, not really ran away with one by one. But yeah, Patrick Reed, I've told it before, but I've heard from a lot of different people in different places, driving range guys, especially assistant pros that have worked driving ranges at big tournaments where Patrick Reed was there.

The US Open a couple other places that of all the guys that behind the scenes and all that he was like the nicest, most polite and most gracious. We have to meet this guy. And I've just heard that a lot. Well, it's not him. It was like five different occasions totally separate from each other. People are like, yeah, actually interact with Patrick Greene. Like we just got like, I want to pull the band-aid off with this guy and just back who are you? What are you really?

Let's peel back some of those layers. Yep. And then again, we've also obviously all heard the stories from college and all that. So he's a very polarizing, interesting figure. Doesn't matter. He won this week. Seventh PGA tour win. He's a 15th ranked player in the world.

He's won the Masters. He's Captain American Ryder Cup. So he's building a hell of a resume for himself. The video of him holding up the trophy was funny. he like didn't know how to hold it. He's like, I haven't done this in a while. It was classic like dad joke. Yeah, good for him.

It was funny. I kind of dig that. I chuckled. I like doing when Hulk smash on his club at Pebble Beach. That was awesome. That was cool. Yeah. We do kind of love Patrick Green.

In like a weird, yeah, because. In a weird way. We sympathize with them. We've sympathized because we cracked the code on what's going on. So we look at Patrick Green's right. And you hear those stories. We cracked the unofficial code. We did.

And now we know what we're really looking at. And if you distill all of the things that we like about him and they all happen when when someone isn't around, we're like, oh, I like Patrick Greene. Yeah, I'm with that. Yeah. And then the U.S. Amher this week at Pinehurst. We've never been to Pinehurst.

That's kind of like maybe the biggest name golf resort in America now that none of us have been to. It's kind of like the top of my bucket list to get down to Pinehurst. They're playing in a couple different courses in the number two and the number four. The number four is the newest Gilhance course. We had him on the show like a year and a half ago. Great dude. But that one's supposed to be kind of the fun, more playable, kind of more risk-rewardy course. And then number two is obviously the U.S.

open course. So U.S. Amateur will be this week. Check that out. Go check out the footage because it's awesome. Everybody knows it's as big a golf tournament, really, as there is, with the exception of Matthew Fitzpatrick, who didn't know that as he almost won the damn thing and did win the damn thing. But U.S. Amateur all week. That's pretty much all I got. Anybody have anything else? Well, if you guys are asking, I'll just let you know what happened over the weekend. We went to this cool little boat place. Let me just give a plug to this goddamn play I went to on Sunday. I went to the Harry Potter player.

You guys Harry Potter fans? Yeah, I love Harry Potter. Dude, you got to go to this play. Really? Since you're a Harry Potter fan, and I'm sure there's a ton of them that are in the Tri-State area, and I'm not going to spoil what happens in this play. But essentially, it's the newest, well, I guess it's the eighth story by J.K. Rowling. And it is just, it's a movie with real people on a stage. It's a movie.

That's a play, man. No, no, no. It's a play, Trent, they do. That's probably a play. Trent, they do. They do. It's a play, my man. They do magic.

There's things flying around. I was, you know, uh, it's got me rattled on that. You know King Kong, the movie King Kong with Jack Black? Yes. You know when they bring King Kong to Broadway and like everyone in the crowd's like, oh. Like when they release King Kong. Yeah. You don't fucking know what I'm talking about.

I'm just, I feel like I stole your moment a little bit. So keep going. Go, Frank. Go. It's a great play. Okay. I have the cup here. Oh, wow.

Wow. You have the cup. You brought your cup. The best thing you're like blushing right now. You are so happy. Good for you, Frank. It's just an unbelievable production. It's nice to see you.

You're radiating happiness. Yeah. It's great to see. You know, the birthday only comes once a year, man. It hasn't come yet. It's today. Enough. You don't know how this works?

Yeah. This past weekend. This is how it goes. Time travel, basically. We are in time travel. We're seeing again next year. Happy birthday, Frank. Thanks.

Happy birthday, Frank. Thanks, guys. Appreciate that. I felt good. We'll end with another, you know, another heartwarming story. Scott Harrington finished second in the Portland Open on the Corn Ferry Tour. Kind of took, you know, home the emotional victory. Secured his PGA tour card.

He had taken a leave of absence from professional golf to care for his wife, Jen, who was fighting Hodgkins, lymphoma. It's in remission. She was there. time emotional seeing God is PGA tour car which means the world obviously to him to his family and all that stuff so congrats to Scott Harrington and to Jen that's an awesome story glad you added that great story oh yeah um I think that's all I got we'll be back Thursday we're gonna kind of react to everything that Bryson said our thoughts on the um you know on the slow play we obviously got as much

of it out as we could during the Bryson thing without trying to kind of jump all over him we'd let him speak we will speak more on it and we'll be back Thursday hit it hard hit it hard hit it hard hit it hard first time saying that is a 26 year old pretty cool. You're not pathetic. You are pathetic.