Fore Play - Bryson DeChambeau Unfiltered

Episode Date: November 13, 2018

Bryson DeChambeau joins the podcast for a full interview... and he does not back down. In the most iconic moment in Fore Play history, Bryson murders Frankie. We ask him about his scientific approach, the single length irons, spritzing his balls, putting with the flagstick in, dealing with the haters, the Ryder Cup fallout, and MUCH more. This is a Fore Play to be remembered.You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

Hey, 4Play listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Hello, friends, it's Riggs. We have a very, very, very special show. So what happened was this. We sat down, we recorded the whole show earlier in the day. We went for about an hour and 10 minutes. We talked about headlines.

We talked about from the galleries, all kinds of good stuff. We were in touch with Bryson D. Chambot. He was like, I'm in to do the show. We were trying to figure out of time. We got him. We got him late in the day, very late in the day. So what we're going to do, we know people are jacked up for this. We know people want to hear this.

He has been the most contentious point of discussion in the history of the show. On last week's show alone, we did 35 minutes or something like that of just us debating and going back and forth and arguing about Bryce and Deschambeau. So we got him on the show. So we know people don't want to wait. We're not going to make you wait. We did record a really cool hour. We're going to put all that in afterwards. So we're going to hit you right off the top.

We're going to hit you with Bryce and Des Chambo. We went for 30-ish minutes with them. There's a lot of amazing stuff in here, a lot of monumental moments. Then we're going to hit you with all the stuff that we recorded afterwards. We talked about headlines. We talked about Cooch. We talked about Lee Westwood. We even talk about Bryce and Deschambeau in that, which we recorded before we recorded the interview with him.

So keep that in mind. then we hit some from the galleries. We have some fun. We do our thing. Next week's show, we will be back to break down the interview with Bryson D. Shambo, how Frankie feels about it. Spoiler, he gets buried by Bryson D. Shambo. How Trent feels about it, how I feel about it.

This is one of the coolest things we've done. This is one of the most just perfect, fitting, and interesting interviews that we've ever done. So we're going to hit you with it right off the top. Enjoy this. This one was fun. I'll see you guys next week. Is there anything better than? fall golf.

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Thanks, dude. Appreciate you having me on. Absolutely. We're pumped to have you on. Like we said, we thank you very much for taking the time. We're going to have a lot of fun chatting. First off, it's been a couple weeks since you played. Last time you played, you won.

What have you been up to the last couple weeks? Oh, dude, just chilling, relaxing in a hot tub right now and just kicking it back. My man, that sounds fantastic. God. Oh, yeah. Yeah, and the Bahamas right now having some fun. Look at that. Life's good, my man. Absolutely, having fun. How's it feel to head into that kind of vacation having won three of your last five starts?

Oh, dude, it's awesome. It's a lot of fun. We work really hard out there, obviously, and it's always nice to be able to play well and, you know, get it done early, get it done quick, and then be able to relax. You know, I look at it as you may, you have five top tens pretty much equals the same amount as winning an event. And so, you know, you can spend five weeks out there accumulating the same amount of points as winning. And so getting off to a hot start is just, I mean, obviously it's the best thing, best situation

you could obviously have. And being able to just play one week and then go relax the others is really, really nice. And you actually, for me, I learn a lot more losing normally. But this week, it was like, damn, I love to win every one. week it'd be nice to do that and just send it and be done uh so you might not know this but a lot of people were saying you got kind of a riggsy barstool bump after bel reeve because we chatted on the range for a couple minutes and then after that you went on a goddamn tear and you won your next two starts yeah played pretty well it was uh it was pretty nice you guys did that and uh you know

obviously it was well received i think and uh you know people you look no matter what you're going to have naysayers you're going to have people that are going to be like do this guy's an idiot. This guy's a nerd. He's just doing his own thing. He's a weirdo. But at the end of the day, if you look at it, I'm still out there competing and as it right now winning. I almost feel like Bryson is doing the eight mile where he says all the things that we are going to grill him on before that we even bring them up.

He's getting ahead of the game. I love it. Anything negative, you little clowns over here are going to say he's ahead of you. I mean, this is tough. He's rattling off every. I'm sitting here just stewing. And Bryson's over here sitting in a hot toe. He's winning golf tournaments. and he's just, I can't, he's just rattling off my list right now. The hot's right now. Let me talk for a second.

The house. He's killing you. Come on, bring it on. Oh, my God. Okay, all right. We're going to do it. Brison, this is Frankie here. I've given you some, I've given you a lot of shit, right? It's on this podcast.

It's on Twitter. I've always felt that it's come up very disingenuous with this science stuff, right? Like, all right, you're shoving it down our throat. Everything, every time I type in your name on, on Twitter, on Google, it's about the C-O-R. the coefficient of restitution of the flagstick. See, I shouldn't even know what that even means. I love that you know what that means. But because you're bringing it up, like, we're talking about the science.

And to me, it always felt like you were doing it more for your brand. And I understand that you're using it to win. Riggs has often made that argument for you on this podcast. Every week. Well, hey, Frankie, I just don't butter knife my wedges like. Oh! Oh, no. You are dead, Frankie.

You are dead, Frankie. You are underground. I mean, there's no coming back from this. This guy's fucking dominating me. Frankie, you did it. I mean, Bryce is that. I'll give you the answer. I'll give you the answer, though.

Like, people, people say that, you know, I'm disingenuous with what I'm doing. I'm just doing it for the brand and marketing. And look, honestly, like my whole entire life, I've always been intrigued with trying to figure shit out. And trying to be the absolute smartest out there. And I'm not going to be. I fail all the time. And that's where I learn the most. and people don't realize that, that, you know, people think I'm smart because I'm smart,

and I'm actually not. It's because I've failed a lot more than other people, and I learn from those mistakes. And that's the true honest to God answer with that is that I've failed so much that I'm trying every single week that I fail. I try to learn as much as possible from that. And that's where I accumulate some of this knowledge that helps me and pushes me to be better. So I got a question. At what point did you first start looking at kind of golf differently?

Like, when did you first be like, okay, you know, I'm going to take the scientific approach. I got handed this book called The Golfing Machine when I was 15 by my coach, Mike Shai. And he gave it to me as like, dude, if you want to understand the game on a whole different level, you know, honestly a crazy level, you got to read this book. So I started reading it, and it was very, very intriguing. It had a lot of physics in there that I didn't understand at the time. And around, you know, 15, 16, I just started taking physics classes. And so it kind of coincided and went hand in hand with.

you know, what I was doing. I was playing golf and then learning physics. And I was like, hey, why don't I just try and kind of apply some of the knowledge and physics to the game of golf so that I could, you know, maybe gain an edge somehow? And fortunately, through this journey about trying to understand the game of golf and all the variables that are associated with it, I've just reached a level that hasn't hasn't been there before in regards to understanding the variables in the course. Was there ever?

You know, at 15, that's kind of when it struck me and it's taken a while for me. to understand what really matters out there when playing golf. Because, dude, at the end of the day, I'm still trying to hit a shot. I'm still trying to, you know, play the game of golf. It's not like I'm some nerdy dude out there doing all these calculations and have a computer on my head. It's not what I'm doing. I'm out there playing golf.

But I use all the information that we've prepped for early in the week to help gauge our shots better. It helped me execute on a whole other level. And fortunately, it's been, it's proving itself week and week. And honestly, I can tell you that the best golf I've ever played using technology to my advantage. So was there ever a point along the way where things aren't going your way? You're struggling a little bit where you thought like, man, I just need to ditch the science stuff and just play golf or not really? Yeah.

Yeah, I mean, absolutely. When you're under trees or whatever and you have this weird shot, you got to hit. And, you know, sometimes you just got to use your intuition and execute a shot to the best of your ability. but you know when you get these shots where you hit the dead in the middle of fairway and you got a stock number you're just you're going off of what you practice what you've trained for and what you research honestly i mean look, everybody's doing their own relative research on their own level. I mean, you look at Justin Rose. He's one of the most analytical guys out there, and he's number one in the world. It was flip-flopping back and forth between Brooks.

And I think that it's a testament to, you know, he struggled early in his career and figuring stuff out. And he's starting to get really, really consistent out there. And you've seen a lot of guys start to use trackman's flight scopes out there, trying to get their numbers dialed in. It's just starting to transition into more of a technological game. where you need to use that cured manager so you can get blown on the water. Guys, the holidays are fast approaching

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And this came about when I was working with a golf machine and I was trying to swing on one plane, trying to take out as many variables as possible. You know, that's what I do in everything in life. I try and make it as easy as possible by taking out variables. But I, since I was swinging on one plane, and I realized that, well, damn, every single club has a unique line goal to it.

And so I've got to adjust my body to each line goal if I'm going to swing on one plane, legit one plane, not some other, I'm not going to go into it, but it's a legit one plane where the club travels up and down the same plane. And so when I put the camera right on that plane angle,

I was like, well, dude, I got to move my body every single time for every line angle. And I realized like, hey, wouldn't it be easier if all the clubs were one line angle? And well, what does that mean? That means that every club has to be the same length.

And that's kind of when it hit me back into, I was like, well, can we make a set of one-length iron? And so it legit took about two and a half weeks, about $200 a lead tape, and about three grinding wheels that we just burned through, you know, grinding all the metal off of pitching wedge, nine iron, eight iron, and trying to make everything around a seven iron because a seven iron was my favorite club back then. I loved it. I could just stripe it. And so, you know, we just decided to make everything the same headweight

and the same length as a seven iron just with different loss. and when we did it, we were like, there's no possible way this is going to work. And it took us about two weeks to do every day after school. I'd go to Roger Duns in Fresno, California, and go grind on a grinding wheel, you know, messing with my clubs and putting lead tape on the back of clubs. It took forever to get all this stuff right. And we got it perfect. You know, we got all six iron shabs in there.

And I went out to the first hole at the River Bend Golf Club, which is now called Dragonfly and in Fresno, or Mederica, California, right next to Fresno. and went on the first hole and had about 160 yards in. And back then I hit my 8 iron, 160 yards. So I had this 8 iron that's a little bit longer than the standard 8 iron, right? It's the 7 iron length. And I go and hit this 8 iron and it lands right next the hole. And I ripped it too.

I'm like swinging as hard as I can. I'm thinking, oh, this is going to go 170 yards like my 172 yards like my normal 7 iron. And I ripped this 8 iron and it didn't go past the flag. It landed maybe a yard past the flag. I'm like, all right, sweet. That's some pretty solid potential. and then we went to the next hole and I had 200 yards shot in.

I was like, all right, this is going to be the kicker, whether or not it works. And I hit this 5 iron from 200 yards. I'm looking at this thing going on, there's no freaking way this thing's going to go 200 yards. I mean, it's like a 7 iron. There's no way. It's not going to go up in there and nothing. It's not going to work. And it sure, shit, I hit this 5 iron and it just kept flying.

I'm like, what the hell? Like, how is this even happening? It just kept flying. It landed right next the flag. And at that point, I turned around to my coach at the time, and it said, dude, this could change the game of golf. And that was kind of the moment where it just, it blew up in my brain. Like, this is a huge potential to make the game a lot easier for a lot of amateurs out there

and for a lot of kids trying to start the game. Do you think – No joke is what it is. Do you think people – do you recommend that folks try to use single-length clubs? Yeah, you know, I'd say give it a whirl. Anybody that wants to try and improve their iron player or improve the consistency of their strike, give it a try. You know, most people struggle – will struggle with their wedges because they're so different

or relatively speaking, they're just different. They're not used to, you know, standing up like a seven iron body posture. But that'll show you like that's how much you're moving when you go from a wedge to seven iron to three iron. You're like, oh my gosh, I'm moving that much. And you don't realize it. And so it takes a while for you to get accustomed to that. And so that's a big deal for people to understand is that you are moving that much. You just don't realize it because you've done it for so long playing golf, playing golf with variable length clubs.

But when you're using a wedge, I'd say just feel like you're hitting a seven iron. and just kind of chipping shots. And you'll get comfortable with it. And there's some cool things you can do with it that if I had more time, I'd be able to explain to you. And you can use the length of the club of your advantage or you can swing the club faster. You make that ball shoot straight up in the air

and you can flop it over trees a lot easier. And a lot of great flop shots with those wedges. But that's something that everybody has to try on their own. Where I really think it's going to change is, you know, it's going to be a generational change. You know, you have kids starting out with their parents are going to be like, well you know, Bryce's using these promoting, it's easier to learn the game.

So why don't I do that, you know? Because like you give kids these seven irons to start off or eight irons or nine irons or pitching wedge to start off. And then you tell them, oh, you got like, you got 12 other clubs in the bag. You got a master. 1300 clubs in the bag, you got a master. And they're like, at least with one legs, you're like, oh, you only got three clubs. You got a master.

That's kind of a cool little thing. It does make it simpler. It simplifies it. So I got a question. The story kind of went wild. you sprits in the balls on the range? What did you learn from spritzing the golf balls on the driving range? Um, so I'm not going to give all my secrets out. Oh, I will tell you. Smart. I'm just kidding. I thought you might say that. I'll give you something. I know. I'll give you something, though.

So, so, you know, we sprayed water on the golf balls to simulate the rain from the week before. Everybody thought it was like for morning due. And what it really was was, uh, trying to understand how rain effect and how moisture in the ground affects spin rate, ball speed. and all that, you know, and we didn't have any time off, so I was like, all right, might as well just do it here. And then it created a big scene. I didn't think anything of it, and should have probably not done it there. But it definitely created a buzz that I wasn't really trying to create.

And so anyway, you know, what we learned is that in certain soil types, you will decrease spin rate with the wet enough golf ball. if it gets to certain firmer type of soil and it's more of a sand base, you can actually get sand that connects across the face and creates actually more spin in that wet condition. So it's really, really dependent upon like the turf, how much sand is in that turf, your angle of attack, your swing speed, and then how wet the ball is. And also temperature, too, but that's something that we don't understand. yet. So we're getting there. But it's, it's, it's, dude, it's a lot of stuff, man. And honestly,

it's like, you know, we've gotten to this point now where it's like there are certain situations we still understand. Those are the ones we're trying to figure out, and moisture is one of them. So you're still pretty young. I've been on tour for a couple years. You do have the five wins. What's the single biggest shot that you've hit thus far in your career? The single biggest shot. Honestly, the shot, the jump started my career where it just led me down a path where I could figure all the stuff that I figured out last year was John Deere, the 17th hole, that three wood or high, yeah, three wood from off of that massive side slope and hitting it up on the green and two putting for birdie, really jump started

my career. That conversation with my catty, you know, him saying, dude, pretty much he said, you can't do it. Or he's just saying, dude, just lay up. I was like, no, dude, I can do this. And so I just freaking pulled it off. And, you know, he's luckily still in the bag. No, I'm just kidding. He's great. Fired him the next day. I haven't talked to him since. Oh, is that a, what was it, a nine-hearted? You're fired. Yeah, right, exactly.

What, not you're fire, yeah. If you could have one shot... Anyway, that was it. If you could have one shot back from your career thus far, which one would it be? That's a great question. Thank you. He's computing his software. Oh, yeah, yeah. I would say, yeah, that's actually a pretty

good point. That, yeah, you're right. Number 50, 15 at the Porsche European Open. That second shot with a forehand, I should hit hybrid. You know, and that forearm just kind of unraveled me a little bit and unsettled me and just wasn't comfortable. My golf swing wasn't great that whole week. And that's really where it just kind of faltered.

And then everything happened from there on out. You know, you guys know what happened and is what it is. I mean, look, I'm a competitor and people that can say things about, you know, my character and whatnot. but at the end of the day, you don't truly know me if you've spent time with me. And when you get to know me, I'm just a normal dude that's just trying to play a good golf. And, you know, I have a lot of respect for everyone that wins and stuff. And partly that's why I was so quick about that situation because literally I was trying to get out of there as quickly as possible so that he could have the limelight.

You know, and I've had people do that to me before when I've won where they've had even quicker handshake than what I gave them. And that's just the way it is, you know. and I wish that would have been different. I wish I would have had the realization. But again, I was young. I screwed up. And it's a part of the learning process, man. And the more the time goes on, the more you learn.

But learn the most from your failures. That was one of them. There's nothing golf. There's nothing golf hates more. Like the golf world hates more than like what they deem to be like a shit handshake. They just like, for whatever reason, they just go crazy on that, which I know you talked about a lot since then with like the brief handshake. But didn't even, didn't he come out and say like, no, Bryce, it was nothing.

respectful all day and all that yeah and you know you know richard was incredible and being able to uh he was awesome honestly with the whole thing and he didn't give me any bad times at all and um he was honestly really nice about i mean i saw him later uh that year and a little later and he's like dude you're fine i mean there's nothing i don't know why people were going crazy and i said my apologies too and everything he's like you're fine there's no issue i didn't think anything of it. And it is what it is. So people have debated forever, you know, when you've got a little chip or you've got a put from just off the green if you leave the flag stick in or if you take it out, you last week, all this came out about, you know, you're planning on keeping it in for the most

part next year because of the new rules that USGA has put out there. Explain to me, you know, when to keep a flag stick in and when not to like I'm like five years old. All right. So I'll give you the baby version. So essentially, if you got a flagstick that's like metal, that's metal or whatnot, you can hit a put and it'll bounce right off of it. It'll have a higher bounce velocity off of the flagstick. Essentially, it's going to come hot off the flagstick. Those are flags that you want to take out.

Okay. If you got a flagstick that's really, yeah, I guess you can say fiberglass, it's really malleable, if you want to say. All that means is it's compressible and doesn't really. shoot the ball off at a higher rate. Those are the ones that'll just drop. You can hit a four feet past and it'll hit the flag like it's going in and a foot pass.

And so that's one of the things that we've done. Why do we all take the flags out? Because it's not on the putting, practice putting green. You know, we have those little flags that in there and everybody, you know, puts them in. But if you got a good golf, you're like, no, pull it out because you can't do that. It's cheating. Well, there's your answer. I mean, it's so much easier to leave it with the flags again, you know?

And so it's like, come on, guys, think about it. But anyway, you know, that's something that I'm sure the USDA will talk more about. And, yeah, I've spoken with them about it too. And, you know, it's probably going to get pulled back in the end. But, you know, I'll use it to my advantage if it works out, if it works out. Have you done any studies on whether it'll be better next year to drop the ball if you ever have to take a drop from knee height versus shoulder height. Oh, yeah, you can control where the ball is going to go way better.

Absolutely. I mean, just think about it. Like, you got less potential energy by having the ball your knee. And so all that means is, like, you got less potential for it to go and bounce in different places. So if you're looking to get in the little spot, you can just drop it right there. It's way easier. Way the hell easier. Yeah, it's great.

What was the biggest misconception from all the way? the fallout of the Rider Cup? I think the biggest misconception was, you know, everybody thinks that Captain Fierich did a bad job. He did. He did a great job for what he was given or a thing in the situations that happened. You know, there's a lot that happened behind the scenes that is team worthy. It's just going to stay as our team conversations.

It will never leave. It's just is what it is. And that's something where as a team that week, we made those decisions. It wasn't Captain Furek, just him. It was all of us as a team. And so people give a lot of hard times to Captain Furek, whereas, again, we as a team came up with a lot of decisions that we all made. And consequently, that was just our fault in the end.

It was everyone. It wasn't just Captain Furek. I think that's the biggest misconception. And also that they keep the greens really slow over on the other side of the pond. And those, you know what's, no, I'm just kidding. You can call them whatever you want. We're Team USA here all day, but all day long. As Team USA as it goes, I was over there waving my flags.

I was fired up. But how important is it to you to get on the 2020 team? It's massive. I mean, since I've been there, I've realized. how big it is and then also how hyped it is. You know, it's obviously an incredible event and it's a great exhibition, something that I

want to be on for the rest of my life. But you realize you're just playing against Europeans and it's just it comes down to a little bit of competition. You just got go and beat the guy. But it's also a matchplay. Like Alex Noren the last day, he shot 600, I shot 500. What are you going to do? Made of 70

foot on the last hole to meet me. So, it's what it is. But yes, I'm definitely wanted to make that team 2020. Is neurologically comfortable just another way of saying you are in the zone? It's more of I've got the right feel. Okay. And that translates to being in the zone, absolutely. But it's more like I've got the right feel.

Because Tiger talks about his feels all the time. He talks about, you know, I had to, I didn't have my feels back and this and that. So you're saying that's pretty much along the same lines? Yeah, it pretty much is. I would say he develops his feel a little differently than me, and those are unique to each player. And I'd say that's each golfer's biggest asset is their feel and being able to repeat it on a higher level. That's what's gold for us. Man, I really came into this podcast.

I wanted to make Bryson neurologically uncomfortable. That was my goal. I was like, I'm going to come on here. I'm going to rattle him. He came in firing shots. This is insane. I mean, he murdered you in the beginning. I didn't even know you were still alive, Frank.

I know, I'm sitting here just in all of like, you know, you know, we, so our guy, Dave Portnoy, he started Barstle. He, his main, I'd say, enemy is LeBron James, right? He goes after LeBron James. He goes to all the events that whenever they're playing his team, he'll wear, like, LeBron sucks shirts and all this stuff. He destroys him on Twitter. He destroys him everywhere. But he also said that if LeBron ever had, you know, the self-confidence and, you know, the awareness to come on one of our shows, I would have all the respect in the world for him.

and to be able to just shoot the shit and actually hear that they're a real person. For me, you know, I often thought that you, Bryson, were like, like I said before, it's like, just this guy that just wants to get in our head about science. Like, even like the little things where you're telling us, like, why can't you just say it's a feel thing? Why do you got to tell us?

Neurologically comfortable was the time where it felt like it was. Like, neurologically uncomfortable. Are you explaining? Are you like, are you golf-splaining to me? Like, I don't know this sport that I sit there and watch and I talk about. I love. I do it mainly to piss you off. Yeah.

And to do this back and forth, it is crazy, you know, you really do have to speak to someone to hear, like, you know, who they actually are. Right. Because you would never know. We were ragging on race. He met you for three minutes and all of a sudden he came back raving about this guy, Bryson. He's a genuine guy. I will say he is a genuine guy. But is there no part of you, now that you're racking up all these wins, because I will say it was easier to poke fun of you on this podcast when you weren't winning all the time.

So now that you are, is there any part of you that wants to say these things that are going to rattle people like me and Frankie who, think you're doing it on purpose, but you're just, you're just want to get us all riled up about it? I mean, honestly, it's what, yeah, it is what you, it's what I believe in. I truly believe that the scientific method will prove itself over and over again. And, you know, as you look at gravity, it's a theory, but it's been proven for hundreds of years now, you know, and so it's become law. and I'm not trying to be a geek or anything like that. I'm just trying to play golf in the most consistent manner, the most consistent way I possibly can.

And I found the only way I can produce consistency over time is by understanding the variables, being able to make proper decisions, and have it back at week in and week out, doing the same thing. It's like beating a drum, just going to the rhythm of a drum, boom, bumps, every single week proving it again and again.

And my whole thing is like, I want to be able at the end of the day when I'm on my deathbed to say, look, I was able to explain golf. And I'm not going to be able to explain all of it. I know that. But at least up to a certain level, I can provide something helpful for everyone in the game of golf to be able to say, I can play at a higher level now because of this information. Not because of how I swing, not because of what I do in the golf course, but because of the information that's out there. I'm telling you today and everything you do in life, it's all information and data driven. You know? And so, and everything's backed by a theory, backed by a thought, backed by an idea.

An idea is the most poisonous but hopeful thing you can ever draw up, an idea. And for me, this idea, it's in my brain right now and I'll let it out eventually, but I'm serious. And I'm not doing this to rattle you guys. I'm literally doing this because in the end, I want this to be expressed to the world so people can go, wow, that's really cool. That's cool as shit that he figured that out. That's really what I want at the end of the day.

Now, Bryson, not to make people like you get pissed off. Even though it's fun. Yeah, you do piss us off from time to time, mainly all the time of me. But now, what do you say to someone that, what do you say to someone that says, hey, I want to, you know, Jack Nicholas won 18 major championships? like why don't I want to learn the game of golf from him? You know, like, you know, you have this guy, Bryson, come along and he, you know the game of golf a way that no one else knew, right? But like, it worked for other people.

Yeah. Yeah, you know, I'd say to that that they have their own secrets that they will never let go, you know? And I'm sure Tiger does too. But I would say, you know, if you want to learn from Jack Nicholas, that's great. but I'll tell you that the level of proficiency of play in the game of golf or the greatness that people can etch out of themselves is way higher than what Jack was able to do back in the day. Now, it's all relative, too. If you look at the stuff he was using back in the day, you know, that's a lot more difficult than the stuff we're using today. Golf balls fly straight.

They don't spend as much. And it's a little bit easier in that regard. But that has all helped raise the bar in the game of golf. You know, and so you got a lot more guys. You have more volume of people that are unbelievably talented and greatly skilled. And so the gap is getting smaller and smaller, and there's much more volume of people that are playing at a higher proficiency. And so you look at Mr. Nicholas, and he's been super nice to me,

as he was just playing a different game. And it's different now. Technology is different, balls different, golf is different. fitness is different. The way we eat, the way we think, the way we strategize up. Everything is to another level. You know? And so if you want to learn, like, you know, the way Jack did, that's great.

But I think they're missing a couple of things that could make them even better because of the information that's now out there today. Yeah, I do think it's essentially it sounds like, you know, you're saying that it's easier now to be better at golf than it's ever been before. Yeah, I would say so. There's enough information out there that will allow somebody to go from, you know, a 95 shooter to, you know, mid-80 shooter. You can easily do that now, whereas back in the day it was a lot more difficult. Things were unknown.

We didn't have club data. We didn't have ball speed data. We didn't have spin rate data. We don't. So we couldn't maximize somebody's potential relative to their ability to swing the club. Or if you want to, if I want to say, I was trying to go to you guys, their neurological level. But, you know, whatever. A couple more questions, then we'll let you go.

I got to ask you about when Johnny Miller chirped you for having a little club cleaner on your bag. What were your thoughts on those comments? You want to know who gave me that idea? Who's that? Camilo V. Jaget. Wow. Okay.

He did it back in the day. Because I've had one of those in my bag forever, and I was like, what the fuck, Johnny Miller? He chirping me back. I got to tell you, if I got to pick between Bryson and Johnny, picking Bryson. I'm on Bryson's team. Thanks. I appreciate it. So I'll tell you that the best way to clean the grooves the quickest is for one swipe job with that brush. Doing it with the towel, you got to just

really dig in there. It's just not as efficient. I'm all about efficiency. I like that. That doll is as efficient as the brush. I like that. Tournament that you get the most hype for all year long. Augusta. Come on, guys. Right away. You didn't even finish that sentence. I like that. in the air there. I wanted. I had to end it on a positive. I wanted you to be all hyped up and jacked up. You're great.

Yeah, absolutely. I get the chills whenever I go to that place. And, you know, hopefully one day had the opportunity to be coming down in the 18th hole with the lead. But every year I'll make it, look, it's just an honor to play every single year and get invited every single year. So I relish that moment more than anything. I'll never forget when you scared Augusta as an amateur.

That was awesome. that was cool unfortunately those freaking holly bushes on 18 uh rightly named holly has the 18th hole uh those holly bushes got me i did a nice little sniper left who put those there jesus that was whoever put those there if you talked to them honestly those things need to be cut down we need carl spackler whatever go and chop those things down uh well bryce de chambo uh regardless people have you know people have some of their problems they don't necessarily love some of the stuff that you say, but I think regardless the game needs more people that bring interest to it, that talk about it in a different way.

I want to echo kind of what Frankie said. We give you a hard time on the show, but anybody who's willing to come in here and, you know, take our ribbing a little bit. You've been a great sport this entire time. I'm sure you've changed the minds, but yeah, we really appreciate you coming on. You're a great, you're genuine guy. Yeah, I mean, I'll try and come back from the dead here. I know he murdered me already, but, Bryson, you know, I'm definitely one of your harshest critics. And I think I still will continue to be.

I'm not just going to let you go. You know, if you say something that irks me, I'm going to be like, you know, he's still. Keep doing it, Price. He's still golfs playing into me. Hey, I'm not. Hey, dude, if you ever need lessons, I'm available. See, there it goes again. You're just twisting it.

You're just twisting it in me. As much as I make on tour. How about that? Bryce said, like I said, I think you're great for the game. I think you make headlines all the time. I can say right now I respect you, Bryce and Descham, but I do respect you for coming on here. I think you're a great dude. You irked the shit out of me, but I respect you.

I do respect you. This was an awesome thing to do to come on this platform when you know that we're ragging on you. You know that we're like these guys that we're just like the common golfers that don't understand what the hell you're saying half the time. I respect the shit out of you coming out here, man. I do. Hey, dude, and seriously, anytime you ever need any help for anything and golf, whatever, just let me know. We appreciate it, man. Good luck, you know, the rest of this year and next year and going into the Masters.

We'll be rooting for you. I'll be rooting for you. And again, we respect the hell out of you taking the time. You're the man. Have a great one. Thanks, guys. Have a good night. Thanks, Bryson. See you, ma'am. Bye.

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not a ton going on yet there's still a ton to talk about i just frankly i'll be honest your hat just kind of your iowner's hat it's it's such a royal like blue yeah did it rattle me so much that i started looking up nchl standings to repair for our golf podcast because i wanted to like know how the islanders and this hat is so so uh uh not to brag but i got this hat in the owner's suite at the honors game i was i walked in with a dark navy blue like kind of like the the bad the bad the bad years of Islanders blue. It was like this dark blue where, you know, we had the Alexa Yashans, the Oleg Kavash's. Brutal.

Just the dark days. Yasham with the turtleneck, remember? Yeah, the turtleneck, the whole thing. Yashin actually, uh, frequent, uh, customer of Borrelli's restaurant. Really? Comes in all the time. Nice guy? Great guy.

Always wearing the turtle neck. Even when he eats dinner. Interesting. Kind of crazy. Come on. You wear some. Yeah. That's not just under his idea.

I have a picture of him. I have like a picture. Somewhere somewhere somewhere. The fuck out. Yeah. I'm just like, he's just wearing like a black turtle. that guy for ily it's like unreal it's like where'd you just like take your uniform off and just come to dinner anyway yeah so you shower bro is this guy's shower yeah so i walked into this fucking sweet and they

had these hats just like on a shelf for like anyone to go and just take them and i just i took two of them yeah you did it's a great color it kind of pops so i dig that um people just looking at me when i was walking to work today like holy shit it doesn't even have to match it doesn't even match so it pops i'm a big fan of the hat that's not the same colors or anything else you're wearing yeah i think that's kind of a cool as you're wearing literally the same color hat. I mean, you couldn't be matching your hat more to your outfit right now if you try. That's trying to even think about that. That is the same exact blue hat. When I put it on, I almost thought there was something wrong in my mirror.

That was like, remember when John in the rundown was like, I don't wear jerseys. He's wearing a jersey. He's wearing a red socks jersey. That yours may have been worse. I didn't. Even the white side matches the white like on the collar. You are one solid color. You have an accented white hat with an accented white shirt. Yeah, I was coming here. Yeah, I mean, I didn't think about that at all.

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I didn't really realize that. Anyways, we still do have a lot to get to. We have updates on Bryson D. Chambot. We have made contact. Hopefully, on this show that he is on the show. We're kind of, we're working, we're going back and forth

about trying to get him to call in, do a little interview. So hopefully later in the show, you will already have gotten an update because I'm going to do one at the beginning of the podcast telling you if you have it or not but we've made contact

he started after he followed Frankie last week we talked about that on the show then he followed me then he started liking my pictures so he's kind of he's getting you know he's getting in the mix I think he liked a video on your Instagram as we were talking about him

he liked a video where we literally were like every time you know now that Bryce Des Chambot won everybody just starts shooting on Ricky Fowler we were doing that whole deal and he liked that video and then he liked another picture of me like on the rundown so bryson he pulled a power move on frankie has he liked any of your pictures or anything he followed me yeah i sent him the message

and then he just ghosted me he didn't even read the message but then he calls rigs he kind of dominated me in that he did and then he follows rigs he's liking pictures on the rundown it's a sure and then he responded to one of my dm so you know this is the this is kind of the um the gorilla podcast game is how we get guests we're you know we're we're getting into it with him we're tagging him in tweets and Instagram. I'm kind of nervous. Then Bryson fire. Bryson's lurking right now.

He's lurking. He's all over our social media. He hasn't played in the last two weeks. So he's just kind of like on vacation, doing a social media check, hanging out all over the four play guys right out. All over us. So that is the latest with Bryson. We did, I can't believe we did 32 minutes where we argued about Bryson D. He's a polarizing guy.

I mean, I, my goal is to make him neurologically uncomfortable. It's like I just want to, I just want to just get him rattled a little bit. But you know what? If we talk about him for 32 minutes and it gets him on the podcast, and you know what? That was a good 32 minutes spent. The world needs guys like Frankie and I, because I've been seeing other golf outlets starting to cover Bryson a little bit more.

And they're now calling golf digest and all those other places are calling his press conferences must watch. And he's an awesome figure for golf. I don't want it to be. He is? Well, but the pendulum can swing too far that way. You need people like Frankie and I to balance out. Like, all right, let's all just come back to Earth a little bit. Yeah, a little bit.

Regardless of if you. like what he says in those press conferences or not. His press conferences for the golf world are like must watch. He's going to say something that's either going to trigger little snowflake golf bitches like you or it's going to make me all fired up and be like, that's my guy.

You are the triggered snowflake golf bitch. You just, you are one. You're like in that, you're in that music video, the Pink Floyd where they're just like walking in the line. You're just like walking in the line and he's on that big screen like hashtag yeat, hashtag science, bitch, like the whole thing. He's on

that little screen, the wall, the wall. It's just not true. I'm breaking the wall. I'm running down that, I'm running down that line and I'm throwing an axe through it. Wait, am I thinking of, oh, no. I'm thinking of, I mean, you're usually wrong. I'm thinking, you know what I'm thinking of? So Apple came out with like a really famous commercial back in the day.

It was like a polarizing commercial where they used the wall. And then the guy comes in and he, he smashes the wall. Was that the first, like, think different commercial? Was that like Gandhi and all those people? There was all kinds of big. It was like, but they did the wall by Pink Floyd. They reincorated it And then some guy came in

And just like smash the wall So I picture Bryson on the wall Just talking about science And spraying his golf balls With with with water And all these things It's like no I'm coming here To tell you guys

That he's disingenuous All I'm saying Yeah disingenuous All I'm saying is everyone else Except Frankie and I I asked Trent if that was the right word To use before this podcast Because I'm sick and tired

Of not knowing words Everyone is Everyone is buying this Bryson Bullshit Hookline and Sinker You guys are just like, oh, I love him. He's so great. Without a unique checks and balances, and that's what Frankie and I are providing.

It's not everyone. If you go on and look at the comments, a lot of people say what you guys say. A lot of people fire a hate at him. Well, then they're on our team and they're smart. Tons of people send hate at him. I think it's actually pretty polarizing. It's pretty 50-50. I'm obviously a huge Bryson fan because I know because I met him, that he's very genuine.

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Headlines. We got headlines. Matt Coacher, cooch. Cooch. Wins in Myakoba. First win in four. plus years. Eighth win on the PGA tour.

Part of me thought that that was a low number for Cooch. That's a low number. You know? Right as it hit my brain, I think that's low. I would think he was at least double-d-digit guy. Yeah, I thought it'd be like his 11th win on tour. 11 is a better Matt Cocher number. Eight was a little bit surprising, but Cooch, so this is a wild story.

Cooch, last win was April 20th, 2014. Lee Westwood. Oh, good call. 420. Sick. Light them up. Light up those blunts, y'all. I think Cooch is lighting up blunts.

Definitely not. Coutre has definitely never even seen marijuana. He's never been in the same room as marijuana. I don't think so either. There's just no way. No chance. I mean, Cooch is just, he was like one of our big candidates for most bland golf. The only time Matt Coocher is going to see weed is when he busts his kid with it and he flushes it down the toilet.

What is this, Jeremy? What is this? The devil's lettuce. When I saw him hit a hole in one, I guess it? Yeah. You did do that. I was going nuts. I screamed Cooch louder than I've ever screamed Cooch in my entire life.

Probably loud than you've ever screamed Cooch in it. I screamed Cooch so fucking loud. So Cooch, April 20th, 2014, very nice, 420. Lee Westwood, who won the Ned Bank Golf Challenge at Mr. our good friend, Mr. Gary Players, Country Club in South Africa. His last win was April 20th, 2014. 420. Lade it up.

The same year. Isn't that crazy? Sheets. So both of them getting their first W in four plus years. Kind of a interesting little return from the old guard. Getting a couple Ws. I'm seeing a 24th Euro title for a lot. Lee Westwood. That number, that could have been 65, and I would have been like, yeah, that's fine.

Like, Lee Westwood just wins on the Euro tour. I feel like there was like a 15-year stretch where he won every other week on the European Tour. 100%. Yeah. You would just, you turn it on. He's in a different country winning in another tournament. Lee Westwood, with his big broad shoulders winning tournaments left. And then there was a stretch where he came in second at every single major for like 10 years straight.

Yep. Oh, yeah. He's done that a lot. So I want to talk about Cooch real quick. Cooch is an interesting one because, you know, he's been on a lot of these Rider Cup and President's Cup teams. He played with Tiger where they had their cool little handshake to one time. He's supposedly like the sneaky, super competitive guy who dominates everybody in ping pong.

So he's got that. So he's like a likable guy, but he's very, very boring. Super boring. He's got Skechers as a sponsorship. I think we bring that up every time we talk about it. If you want to talk about Matt Cochard, that's the first thing you got to bring up because he's a Skechers guy. You look at him, that's a guy that wears Skechers and he just happens to be sponsored about it.

And it tells you everything you to know about it. 100%. That guy. That guy. Okay. And if you go on YouTube and look up the Skechers commercials with Matt Coacher, they are extremely awkward and extremely deadlike. They're right on brand. Yeah, he is.

He's just a boring, awkward dad. Yes. Pretty much it. Yeah. Yep. I think that's right. What, Frankie? He just gave it word.

I mean, April 20th, 2014 was a big day. So I looked up what else happened on that day and nothing much happened. That was it? Robin Hurricane Carter, American boxer, uh, whose murder convictions were overturned after 19 years in prison. he died of prostate cancer at the age of 76 on that day. Oh, bummer. That is a bummer. I don't know if that is, the Hurricane Carter.

Yeah, he was in prison for 19 years, and then it got overturned. That's Hurricane, the subject of the song. Rock me like a hurricane. You guys are so dumb. See, we're going to maybe have Bryce on later today, and Riggs is just getting warmed up calling us dumb. He's just ready for it. He's just ready to look down on us.

great song by the way here I am I mean I'm like I'm gonna now we're off now we're off we were off it's Bob Dylan hurricane with a wrongful conviction

and all this stuff they made a whole movie about it hurricane shit you guys are you guys you guys don't know what I'm talking about

uh I'd hate to play the song right now but I mean I don't I'm not aware of this at all really Jake are you aware of this Bob Dylan

the hurricane oh my God all right we'll move on anyways he died died that day? Yeah.

Prostate cancer. This guy was a polarizing figure. Well, he ended up being like a good figure. He like was wrongfully convicted. 19 years. 19 years in prison for something he didn't do. Yeah. What a nightmare that is.

Robin Hurricane Carter. Ruben Hurricane Carter. Fuck. Jesus, guys. Okay. Anyways, it's just, I think you're going to get a lot of, I think you're getting a lot of aid for this. I mean, I don't know a ton of Bob Dylan music. My name's for, my name is for, my name is for.

Frankie Burelli, you know, I'm just a little white, winky dink boy from East Meadow, Long Island. I don't know much about, like, Ruben Hurricane Carter, the American Boxer, and I don't know much about Bob Dylan. Honestly, I mean, I know Bob Dylan, but I didn't know the whole story. Charged with a triple murder, the Lafayette Grill in Peterson, Patterson, New Jersey in 1966. Following year, him and the other guy were found guilty of the murders ended up serving 19 years. There were, like, these big protests. Bob Dylan wrote a song, like kind of trying to give him. gain awareness for the wrongful conviction of all this.

This is a huge American moment that I just didn't know about. I'm willing to come out and say that. When he got the conviction overturned, did he get like $20 million? I think that's usually what happens when you got a settlement for sure. That's usually what happens when you're in prison for a long time for something you didn't do. And then they're like, oh, sorry about all that time you lost, but here's millions of dollars. Yeah, to hopefully make it better. I shouldn't know about this.

Wow. I'm a little surprised. Anyways, that was a little bit of a tandem. How did we get there? So he died on April 20th, 2014? That's right. That's what happened? Wow.

Wild. Anyways. Guys kind of got rigs eyes. Does he? A little, yeah. Oh, yeah, he does. Most the eyes of a man. Spent 19 years in prison for some years.

You're laughing at the guy. I mean, he's, you know, we brought him up because he passed away. So it's just, rest and peace. I'm not laughing. I'm just not laughing. He looks like Jackie Childs from a sign of a little bit. Yeah, he does. It kind of does.

That's true. He was born in Clifton, New Jersey, died in Toronto, Canada. He probably's like, I get the hell out of here. He's fuckers in the United States. Nobody stays in New Jersey. Anyways. Matt Coochard. He's kind of whatever.

Lee Westwood. Lee Westwood. Thoughts on Lee Westwood, just in general? I think he's a likable guy. Likeable guy. I love to have a beer with him. Or he probably doesn't even drink. He probably drinks like scotch.

No, I bet he drinks beer. Like, he drinks a thick lager. Yeah. That's what Lee Westwood would drink. I feel like Lee Westwood is he at like age 12 had to make a pivotal decision between being like going all in on rugby or going all in on golf and chose golf. But he still has like a rugby body. He has definitely heard it's like a tall guy who doesn't play basketball throughout his entire high school. People were like, you should just play rugby.

Yeah. But he's like, no, but I like golf. But they're like, but you should play rugby because look at you. Yeah, I think that's right. But he's like, I want to play golf. And it worked out. But he does have a perfect body for rugby. He's this like burly, broad-shouldered guy.

He's just got kind of like thick features, not like fat man. He's stretched the imagination. No. He's just kind of thick. I feel like he's got like thick forearms and just like thick shoulders. As a fellow thick person, him, I relate to him. Like I could see him play rugby. I could play rugby.

But also like a very, yeah, you could. You kind of have a rugby body too. But also like a friendly, you know, bloke. Very much so. Always smiling. Bloke. That's a great word. Well, we're talking about a, you know, a British guy.

you got to say. I watched Bodyguard over the weekend. I would assume that bloke is like a bad word to say it. Like I would be afraid to use the term bloke because I don't know what it means. I think that's like a really bad word. I think so. A man, a fellow. Yeah, no.

This first thing comes my mind. Like if I call someone a bloke, it's like Jesus. Yeah, it's like fucking Frankie, watch your mouth. I don't think. It's up you bloke. I don't know if we say. That doesn't sound good at all. You don't think I can say bloke?

I don't know if you can. I think I dropped it perfectly, like in the perfect context. I said he seems like a friendly bloke. Yeah, that does sound nice. It sounds cheery. There you go. There's another one. Anyways, Lee Westwood.

Yeah, it is. Lee Westwood is a tough guy because he dominated the European tour, could never win a major, had a bunch of chances. Whenever you go back and you watch a lot of these final rounds of the masters as they put on and stuff like the minute. He's just up there all the time. He's like, I'll go Lee Westwood. He's two off the lead here.

Let's see if you can make a move. Same in the U.S. Open. Like he's got like that. He's got the same put to try to get into a playoff in the 2008 U.S. Open. that Tiger made, like Lee Westwood missed. He just, like, never really won a major, despite the fact that he's there all the time.

So it's kind of a tough, it's kind of a tough sled for him. He gets the win. He's emotional. First win in four plus years. Very emotional to the point where the European tour interview guy was asking him afterwards about how, oh, you seem pretty emotional. And then Lee Westwood's like, well, you're crying. And they're like, both crying doing the interview thing.

So you've got to like to see that. I feel like, again, Lee Westwood's a friendly guy. he's a bloke friendly bloke his girlfriend and caddy helen's story was also was on his bag which is also a cool story I don't know you know I used to be I'm trying to think how many of them there have been

I feel like Patrick Reed was like the last one whose wife was on the bag yeah oh who am I think of it his name escapes me right now but yeah you see it every once in a while yeah I guess you don't see the time anyways it's all a cool little wrinkle it's a very it's much more of a common move I feel like when you're older you get like

You get the significant other or you get, like, your son on the bag. John D. D. D. does it. John D. does it. Oh, yeah, he has. Yeah. That's right. J.D. does it. And then, like, when Jack won his Masters in 86, he had, like, his son on the bag. Like, it's just the cool. I went and saw a senior open event in Des Moines, Iowa, where John Daly was playing in. And he had a cart driving around the course, and he made his wife carry the bag and walk the whole time. He was the only one using the cart.

Come on. Yeah. She had this huge bag on her back, and he would hit a shot, get on the cart, and drive right buy her and she would put on this 50 pound bag and just lug up the fairway it was great that's unbelievable he's just ripping sigs jd you think maybe he'd give her the card you would think so but he didn't put the bag on the back of the card exactly yeah but he didn't do it interesting kind of like jd um and then a uh we caused a little bit of the controversy with our ricky fowler stuff so we put the video out last week being like look every time somebody like bryson d chambo gets the four or five wins all the golf world all the golf right writers, all the golf media are like, well, he's now got more wins than Ricky Fowler does in his

entire career. And nobody takes more ricochet shots than Ricky Fowler for being overrated. Tons of people started chiming in on whether or not Ricky Fowler is overrated. So I thought it would be an interesting little discussion. Go through his resume really quickly. Look, Ricky Fowler's got four PGA tour wins. I think everybody feels like that's low. He did win the 2015 players championship, which that was literally the weekend after that

anonymous poll of Tor pros came out. That said that he was like the most overrated guy in golf. He did it in the playoff. He did it with kind of his badass finish, all that stuff. That was impressive. Made out with his girl afterwards? Yeah, that was. Which girl was that?

That was the one before. Alexis. Yeah, Alexis something. You're right. Yeah, let me figure out the name. But the other big makeout session after the win. I think that sounds right. He's finished second in the Masters, second in the U.S. open,

second in the British Open. And he's finished third in the PGA. He's always like in the top 10 in the official. World Golf rankings. I was trying to look it up right before. I think he's the latest. He's ninth in the official world golf rankings. So, Ricky has a phenomenal resume. However, I do think he's gotten to the point where he, I don't know that he's overrated as much as he's underachieved. Hey, he just can't finish, right? Second in the Masters, US Open, British Open, third in PGA. Those are days that he's playing unbelievably well. And he just cannot finish.

I don't know if that means that he's overrated. I don't know. I think we probably said, that he was overrated the last time. But like you said, when you look into it, when you look into his history, I mean, the guy's there. You can't really call a guy that is constantly in the mix in these major tournaments, overrated, I don't think. When he's constantly in it.

Like, do we have called Phil overrated all those years with him finishing? No, just underachieve. I think the problem is that he gets lumped in with, and he's part of the young generation, clearly, but all of his counterparts are winning majors and winning a lot of tournaments, and he just gets put in there,

and that's where people are like, I get that he's the same age as these guys And he's good looking and people like him But he doesn't have the accolades to go with these guys How are we overrating him, right? Like are we saying that he's like JT? Is that what like golf media is saying That he is at that level?

Or are we just always talking about him Because he's always in the mix? I think he's not his fault I think people do look at him like a JT And he's because he's always in the mix And they're just waiting from to But he is always in the mix, right? They're waiting for him to finally win one

So they can be like, all right He is like these guys But it's like he looks like these guys And he's the same age as these guys But it's not the same. I think overrated gets improperly becomes like synonymous with underachieved. Like I think he's properly rated, but he has underachieved.

Like he is better player. He is a better player than to only have four wins and no major. He is just, he's a better player than that. Now, it's not, I think everybody looks at him. He does get like the spring break crew, right? Those four guys like one of them, Smiley Kaufman, can't play golf anymore. Who knows what that guy's up to? The other three, two of them are one bunch of majors,

and then Ricky's always in the top 10, and only has four PG-Tor wins. So it is tricky. But on the other, like, you also have to realize, I think he's like five years younger right now than Phil was when he won his first major. So it's not like, it's not like it's over for him, and Ricky, like, underachieve forever.

He's had a pretty good beginning to his career. Right. He's been in the mix. And he makes a ton of money. He's a great-looking dude. He's a good-looking dude. He's incredibly marketable, which again, think hurts like that also gets played into like overrated yes because every tournament you go

to there's like a hundred eight year old kids run around in full orange and he's got the kind of he's always had the wild style he's kind of tamed it back a little bit lately but that mixed with like he's always in the top 10 or he's in the top five in majors all the time but he only has four wins so I don't think overrated is the right thing I do think he's definitely underachieve to this point yeah for his skill level because he's clearly a top seven or eight or nine players in the world over the last five year stretch. You'd think he would have, like, dude, he has, he won the, like, 2017 Honda Classic, I think. And outside of that, he has one win since 2015.

Think about that. Like, that's his only win since 2015. So he's gone, like, three plus seasons without, with one win. That's great. Yeah, it is. And, like, looking back in the way I feel when I go into, like, a major championship, I'm always rooting for those guys. And like a Ricky, I mean, I'm sorry, a Jordan Speeith, Tiger Woods, Phil Mickelson.

Like, I'm always looking for those guys to be up top. And I don't always say to myself, like, I want Ricky to win this week. But he always finds himself in that top 10. And when the guys that you go into that tournament end up falling off, Ricky's that guy that you cling on to. Like, come on, let's get it done. So it's not like, you're not really hyping him up until he makes himself in that top 10. So it's really not his fault for being overrated, if some may say that.

He's just always in the mix. Like you said, he just can't get it done. And he's done an incredible job marketing himself, becoming as big as he is. Right. You know, there are a lot of, there are several, several guys that have kind of hovered for five or six years in their career in this, like, fifth to 15th in the world golf rankings that are nowhere near as big in golf as Ricky is. So that he's probably a little bit of a victim of that, like how marketable he is and all that. I definitely can't think of a person who roots against Ricky Fowler. Like those people are better than that Sunday being like, oh, fuck, Ricky's only five strokes behind.

Like, I don't think Rick. It's great. I don't think Ricky Fowler hate it. majors exist. So, like, he has underachieve, but everybody's sort of like, all right, come on, let's make it happen. Let's make it happen finally so we can, you know, be one of those premier players of the major. And people got to remember, I mean, he finished one stroke back from Patrick Creed at the Masters this year. He went crazy on Sunday and did everything he did do. He was firing off birdies late. He didn't like, he wasn't in the mix and then kind of came up or fell short. If anything, he, he started a little bit too far behind. Yep. Made an awesome run. And Patrick Reed had to make. make like that two or three footer on the 72nd hole to kind of seal up the win. And he chipped in a couple times and all that to get it done. Otherwise, Ricky could have won the Masters very easily.

So I thought that was a good conversation because we'd be getting a ton of comments about it. People love talking about Ricky. You always think this next year is going to be the year. You know what I mean? For sure. Like breakthrough. Yeah. Hopefully he does.

We like Ricky. I think everybody likes Ricky. He also is good about PR stuff, incredibly good about it. Like he always, after every win he has, which isn't that many, he always like buys. Ricochet shot That was a little bit of Just under your breath When he wins

And he doesn't do that off There's a little bit of a ricochetion When he wins If he ever fucking does He always like He can like laugh it off He always buys champagne For like the media

In the media center And stuff like that You know So he kind of knows what he's doing A little bit With the PR And the likability scale And all of that

But I think everybody likes Ricky Bernard Longer Wins the Schwab Cup Obviously I had to mention That this fucking machine. He's 61 years old. It's like, when I saw the headline, I almost, I just was like, yeah, I mean, duh.

Yeah. Of course. If I had to put money on someone who I thought was definitely going to live to 100 years old, my number one pick would be Bernard Longer. I have everyone in the world. You'd say he'd live longer than most people. Wow. But it was good.

That was good. Hell yeah. He would live Bernard longer than most people. I really like that. He, so I looked, he's 61 years old. You could have said he's 52. You could have said. He's 75.

You could have said anything. I would have believed it. 61. Sure. That seems right. But he just, he's won the Schwab Cup. Schwab Cup for anybody that doesn't know is like the FedEx Cup of senior tour. Such a senior tour cup.

The Schwab Cup. The Schwab Cup. Like everyone that's just won the Schwab Cup. Everyone that's watching that. Like all the boys, all like the older crowd of the at the club are like, I just see who's in the hunt of the Schwab Cup. You guys want to meet up on Sunday so we can watch the Schwab Cup together. Oh, God.

That's so just. Play a little yuker, watch the Schwab Cup. Like, hello. Hello, Bernard. Have you seen the Schwab Cup this weekend? Have you talked to Ralph about watching the Schwab Cup? I was trying to think of like an old, rich guy name, and I couldn't think of one. So I went right back to Bernard because you were talking about it.

Yeah, you did kind of went right back to Bernard. That wasn't very creative. No, it wasn't creative at all. I came up with Ralph. I don't know if that's a great one either. Ralph has that been, I don't know. I don't think that was horrible. Old rich guy name?

Old rich guy name. Like a king Philip? Now you're thinking about like royalty and like British royalty. No, Philip, Seymour Hoffman. George? George. Yeah, George is like, George. George Costanza.

He's not rich. Think of some of the Titans of Industry. What are their names? I mean, what's his name? Bill, Bill Gates. Who's the really rich old dude? Warren. Warren.

Warren. Oh, Warren. You're going to watch the Schwartz? Have you seen the Schwab Cup this weekend? Yeah, Warren. Warren. Warren. He's a good one.

He's a good one. Anyways. Warren. That's like people named like older women, like grandmas. Like Betsy. Who's getting named Betsy? I was talking Bob Fox and I were talking about this yesterday. Barbara.

My grandma's name was Vernita. Wow. How about that? That's good. Bernita? You're not seeing any Vernitas anymore. You're at least 70 of your name's Vernita. Yes.

Yeah. You can't exist until you're 70. You're born 70. Right. Like imagine a small child like, hey, Verneita. It just doesn't happen. Imagine you're like a freshman in college and your name's Vernita. That can't be a thing. It's just, it's not a thing. No, no chance.

Anyways, this was Bernard Longer slash Warren Longer's fifth Schwab Cup title, fourth in the last five years. I mean, that's just what this guy does. Same. He's a machine. He's the best. So big shout out to Bernhard. Longer. Okay. We got to get into front of the galleries. We got a bunch. We got a bunch per usual. First one, I want to mention his boondoggle trend. Oh.

Out in San Diego. Yes. I saw the picture, man. I got a bunch of doppelgangers, and we have found yet another one. That guy looks a lot like me. It was mostly the outfit. He was just in golf version of your outfit. Cacky shorts.

Where is it? I tweeted it. Yeah, Riggs tweeted. He's got khaki shorts, black shirt, and just like the Mohawk thing. I mean, it helps that his, the outfit is one thing, but it helps that his face looks a lot like mine as well. Like a little round. I'm going through your... You've got to go further up.

You're going through your fucking Twitter feed rigs. And this picture of Cousin Murray is... I mean, that's something. Yeah, Cousin Murray's my 71-year-old co-host on my radio show that I do in the mornings. And he posted one... I posted it like...

You're on the last... It was my latest tweet. Oh. Yeah. There he is. Oh. I mean, if you are a balding man... It's a way he's holding his club, too.

Oh, it's perfect. I'm about to, he's making sure his grip is correct. My hands are about, that guy's hands are about to be really low. He's about to put a little bend on the knees, and then he's going to hopefully hit the ball. He's got like the same, his arms are like the same level of thickness. That would be honest, though, he has a little bit more ankle than you do. What do you mean? Oh, you mean they're more defined?

They're a little bit more, they bend in a little bit more. Yours are more just like planky. No, I mean, I don't have ankles. That's what I mean. They're just like elephant tusks. This guy's you. I mean, it's great. That's incredible.

Yeah. Boondogel. He's wearing the black t-shirt and the khaki. The khaki. Oh, yeah. You think he wears the same outfit every day? I hope he does. If he's smart, he does.

He looks just like you. This guy, too, I mean, he just, this guy's, this guy's email, too, was all over. He's just like, sorry for the creeper pick, Trent, but I've seen the videos and I knew you need some work on your swings, so I didn't want to distract you from getting your reps in. So he just like, he was all in on this being you. I got doppelgaggers all over the place. So you never know when they're going to pop. You see some dopplegangers, send them in.

Foreplay at Barshal Sports.com. We enjoyed him. I laugh for a good five minutes when I saw that. Ben, Ben says my buddy, who was around a 15 handicap, thinks he could beat a top golfer, and he mentioned Tiger or J.T. or DJ.

If he had his full bag and the top golfer only had a pitching wedge. I love this question. This is a great question. Thoughts. Oh, so you have a full bag, and you're playing Tiger Wool. woods. He only had a 15 handicap. So you, you, you have a good day. You're going to shoot, what,

83, 85? That'd be a really good day. Really good day. Yeah, for a 15. Really good day. Usually probably shooting around 90. Yeah, a really good day. So let's say you shoot like at 89, 90. You think Tiger's not going to shoot better than an 89 or a 90 with just a wedge in his hand? He's going to hit the fucking fairway every single time. He probably hits his wedge 130 yards when he smokes it, 140 yards, 150 yards. Pitching wedge, he probably hits it 150, 160, 17. Oh, pitching wedge. I'm sorry. I don't know why I thought it was like a sandwich.

So it's only a pitching wedge. So he probably hits it like 161, 70. That's keeping it in a lot of holes. It's keeping him in a lot of holes. I think this is, it's a laughable question. Tiger or one of these top guys would fucking destroy this guy. Once they get on the fairway, once they get out of the T, it's over. What doesn't even matter?

Like, it's just literally, like, he'd make par on most holes. Yes. Do you know how good these guys are? Are you kidding me? Well, I'm just thinking of like a 580 yard par 5. The guy with the full bag is going to get up in around the green and two. What? He's not a 15-80 cap.

Just get up around the green and two and 580 all? What? Up around the green. In two? So the guy can hit 300 and then 280? A 1580 cap? And like straight and in play? Yeah, right.

No chance. This guy would get destroyed. He'd lose seven down to this, to Tiger. Yeah. Yeah. I think you'd have to change to a sand wedge. That's how I originally read it. I think this guy is too much, too much yardage.

The guy would get destroyed. The sand wedge? Yes. Really? Yes. 100%. Huh. I mean, Tiger, if, like, there's no.

So let's say Tiger hits a sand wedge like 120. Yeah. Okay. So then he's going to, he can hit it out there, two shots. He can hit it out there two, four. And then on most holes, he's going to be able to be able to hit it on or near the green in three. That's like if it's a long part four. Yeah.

I mean, if it's a 450-yard par four, Tiger's not making it on. He's not making it on until four if he's smoking it. I feel like Tiger would be able to, like, blade a wedge off the team. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. If you think that, yeah. But I'm thinking if he's hitting just a regular sand wedge, he's hitting 120 yards, he's not making it on to the green on most holes in.

until like he's been putting for bogey a lot of times yeah and i just i don't that would be like 440 like that's a pretty long plus it's like it's like it's like it's not like this yeah what golf course are we playing too are we playing like it's not like this i don't know it's just like a hypothetically um in the hypothetical i'm like hypothetically well we're not we don't have time to go through every single golf course in america oh no are you playing izenauer blue where like tiger can probably fucking hit the green with a sandwich or are you playing a real golf course where it's going to be you said 440 was a long part four no it's not not on a real course.

440 is pretty deep. I mean, it's a pretty solid par four. Yeah, I mean, it depends on what golf course you're playing. Are you playing championship golf courses? I think no matter what, this guy would get killed. I think, like, even on a long par four, Tiger's going to be able to wedge one on his fourth shot and close enough that he'll make a bogey. And a lot of times on like any par four that tiger can only, it's going to take him

four shots to reach it, this 15 handicap isn't just making a paw? Yeah, I was going to say, it's almost less about, obviously it has to do with Tiger and those guys. the 15 handicap is going to have to have a hell of a day. And I think... Especially because Tiger or these... Whichever top golfer it is, their consistency level would just be off the charts.

It's not like he's out here making doubles and triples, whereas the 15 handicap would be. So maybe there's like three or four holes where the 15 handicap has an awesome hole and beats the top guy on two or three of those. But the rest of the time, our top golfer is in the mix, making pars and stuff. And the 15 is all over the map. Yeah.

I mean, he's a 15. Right. They're also putting with these wedges, but I guess it doesn't... They're great with that. Yeah. You see this time, all the time these guys break their parders over their leg and they shoot like 32 in the back. It's like, they're almost better with the wedges. It's amazing.

It's honestly amazing. So that's my thinking. Matt. Matt submitted one he said, so the pro shop of my club sits behind the 18th green about 20 yards, has this giant glass windows that faced a hole. Whoever thought this is a good idea as a moron. I was sitting about 50 yards out, pulled out my 56 when the thought of Frankie and his butternives popped into my head. I proceed to skull fuck my shot into the glass window of the pro shop,

leaving a gaping hole and glass scattered throughout the pro shop. Let's say the pro shop and assistant pro, we're not too happy to be cleaning up my mess at 5 p.m. on a Saturday night, thanks to Frankie fucking Borrell. Shout out, Rockville, Links. I did this. Oh, yeah. I talked about this.

You did, yeah. I hit the house right behind, I mean, the restaurant. Yeah. The clubhouse, but the restaurant part, skull fucked up to right into the restaurant. That's tough. I mean, why would you put something 20? This is the pro shop's fault. Because the skull fucks don't care where you are.

Yeah. Or you need tougher glass. Well, you just can't put something 20 yards behind a green. I mean, because you would assume behind the green also is going to be that concrete, and that's probably where they park with the cards and stuff. Like if a guy just hits it a couple yards over, that ball's bouncing all over the place. This, this submission almost seems fake. I will say 20 yards is not very far.

Nothing. It can't be 20 yards behind it. Can't be. No, it's got to be more than that. That can't be correct. He must have done, he must have done what I did, and he hit it like a clean 40 to 50 yards over the green. Missal. That's what I did.

Just a scald missile. So it's the Frankie special. I mean, to be honest, I hit mine. I don't remember exactly what club it was, but I hit mine like from under a tree and I smoked it. I didn't know. I didn't know how far as it going to come out. It is tough when you like, you're expecting this loft to send it up into the air nice and soft. And if you just, you just blade it.

And it's basically comes off like a three wood, just like an absolute missile that can just destroy anything. But it's your fault, Frankie. So, you know. Yeah, the disease continues to spread. We got a bunch of these, too. I mean, half of fucking emails I went through are talking about the Frankie Butternice. People are having dreams.

It kind of sucks, too, because it's obviously the hard, I think it's the hardest shot that hit in the sport. So now that I'm linked to it. You're the face of it. Like, I feel like people were blading fucking wedges before this. And now I'm just like to blame. They definitely were. But as soon as we put a label on it, the Frankie Butter Nights, you are now just forever

connected. It's kind of a hard one to adopt because it's not like it was going to, it's not like, like it's a it happens once in a while this happens to everyone oh yeah it is tough that you've become the scapegoat in the face of right alling a wedge you become like the crutch that people lean on like oh it's not my fault it's frank that right that 40 yard wedge shot is no fucking cake like all these people blaming you they fucking suck to that wedge shot before you correct they're no longer willing to take ownership for their suckiness that's fine i'll be i'll be their voice i'll be their uh you're a leader i'll be their hero i mean if they want to blame me i'll be

The crush that they can lean. You're like Batman. You're like Batman. Jack. I'm like what? You're like Batman. Did you know that Jessica Beal was going to name her son Batmo? What did she end up name in it?

Well, she didn't want it to be called Batmobile. Nice. I mean, we should let that one. That has to sit. I almost made Frankie leave the room. That's why I heard that yesterday. I went to the Jack game. Worst event I've ever been to my entire life.

They lost 41 to, I don't even know what they lost 41 to 10. I have never watched a Jack game in my life. It was the worst. I decided to flip it on. And it was the funniest game I've ever watched in my life. Before I got into the stadium, they were down to 14-0. I mean, it was also more of like a drinking event. Like I didn't watch one play.

They were down 31-0 at one point. Yeah, they were. So we all bet the over. The over was 38. And we all bet the over. I had like 20 people. We were going nuts when the bills kept scoring. Nuts.

They get killed by the bills. Yeah. By Matt Barkley in the bill. Speaking of names Real quick, I met someone named Daddy Is this another one of your jokes here? No, it's not Dude, I was at the bar

I'm at this Islander bar And to be honest, I didn't know that this place existed It's fucking electric It's an islander bar, it's called Offside Tavern Shout out, I know we don't do free ads But this place is fucking electric They do, I mean, they have bars in the city Forever team

I know, but the islanders, I never thought That they would be when I walked into this place It's like being at the game Dude, they play the fucking goalhorn Every time they score the place goes nuts. That's awesome. You're going to be there every night.

I was to say, well, at least we know where to find Frankie now when we can't. So I met this guy. Have you just started missing a bunch of home games now for the first time?

No, this was a, well, ever since they moved to the Barclays, I never kept it up. Gotcha. Just because it's the worst. Didn't you not miss a game

for like 15 years or something? I didn't miss a game for like five or six straight seasons. I went to like 300-something games. That's unbelievable. Anyway, I met this guy named Daddy. Right?

Everyone in the group was calling him daddy at this bar. It was like a friend of a friend of a friend. And I'm like, all right, it's a nickname. Like, Daddy wants everyone to call him Daddy. It turns out his actual fucking name is Daddy. You make him pull out his license? I even would have to look at his license.

Prove it, man. It's like D-A-D or something like a daddy. Interesting. That's crazy. Fucking nuts. Dad for short. Yeah. They just called Dad.

Jackass, what's the bigger asshole move? Unstrapping your buddy's clubs from the back of the cart so they fall out when he pulls away or accidentally forgetting his strap your own in and they fall out when you pull away. The first one, one's definitely the bigger asshole move, but the second one is more embarrassing. Yeah, it's like you're an asshole. Like, you know. Yeah.

The second one's like, the second one I think happens. The first one is malicious. That's the first one. If anyone did that to me with the new clubs, I would try to kill someone. If you do it on concrete. We're never playing together. That's happened to me and I wanted to like fight. Oh, do it to rigs?

Oh, man. Imagine that. Especially with my new title list if you did that. Oh, I would freak. Honestly, I'd hurt someone. Yeah. Uh, yeah. This is a, um, yeah, this is a big, like, uh, in a big, um, like scramble event.

This is a big time move. Yeah. Everybody starts boozing like an hour before you tee off. Right. It's going to be a shit show. And then you see like, right when they give the shotgun start, everybody drives away, like four different people's bad. Yeah. And it's just a shit show.

But it's true. You are an asshole if you do it to somebody else. And you're just, you should be embarrassed if you do it. Yeah. If you forget to do yourself. You should be an embarrassed person. But we've all done it before. And it sucks when that's you.

It's like you've never played golf before. I know. Because you put on the outfit, you bring the club, you try to look as legitimate as possible. You're there. You're having the golf course. It makes a ton of bricks. Boom. And everyone's looking at you. Just a beacon like I'm a dumb ass and I don't know, belong in the golf course.

Yes. It sucks. David. This one, I love this one. David just hates his friend's constant comment that he makes. So he goes, The From the Gowler's week made me think of this asshole thing that my friend always says on the course.

Whenever he misses the green, could be in a green side bunker on the fringe on the other side of the green, in the rough 40 yards short. Doesn't matter where he is. He always goes, right after the shot finishes. Oh, no problem. Easy up and down from there.

And the guy goes on to say, there's no such thing as an easy up and down, dude. Even doing a straightforward chip and put is never an easy thing to do. He gets up and down maybe 10 to 20% of the time, so it's not like he backs it up either. Have you guys ever heard anything like this? Just the thought of David,

Every time his buddy's like, oh, it's an easy up and out from there being like, fuck you, dude. This is really the problem when you have the same people that you play with all the time. It's like when you live with somebody, you start to realize these little things that I do all the time that just eat at you and eat at you and they drive you fucking crazy. Yeah, that's like sometimes when you'll have a caddy and you hit like a horrible shot, you spray way out to the right. Like, oh, that's actually, that's a good mess over there. Like, dude, I almost miss the golf ball. I don't care if it's not a bad spot over there. I'm upset because I just, I can't even play it off.

And it's tough because, like, in this case, in the case you just talked about, they're trying to be, like, nice and motivating, like, oh, you're going to be fine from there. Easy up and down. But you're just like, I don't want to hear that right now. But this guy's doing it for himself, it sounds like. He's always saying, like, every time this guy hits it somewhere. Oh, I see. He's always saying, like, oh, yeah, that's not a problem.

Easy up and down. And he never gets up and down. He just never does it. He's like 10 to 20% of the time he gets up and down. 18 over par. You're not making it up and down. Like, dude, you haven't gotten up and down in. two months. We play golf every weekend. You're like easy fucking up and down over there.

But you're right. When you play with the same guys, you just get irked. It's like the classic like old man phrases that just get set over and over and over and over again on the golf course. It's like the, like anytime you play with somebody and you tee it up and you get ready to hit it with your driver and you accidentally nudge it and the ball falls off. And like everybody in the group goes, oh, that's one. That's like you just want to punch everyone in the face. Shut the fuck up. It's not one. Dumbass. Same type of feeling. So I feel for David. Riggs hates, remember one of your pet peeves is when someone, when you hit a bad shot and someone says tough, that was tough or bad lie and stuff like that. Yeah, when they say, they try to make excuses for you. Yes.

Yeah. That's my biggest pet. They try to, like, call it at you. Yeah. Yeah. Like, yeah, you'll be like, you'll just be barely in the rough with like a great lie in the rough or something. And you hit, like, oh, that was a horrible iron shot. Like, oh, that was like, all you could do from there.

Like, what are you talking about? That's all I could do from there. Actually, I think I could have easily just hit it. I was just like, ah, man, it's tough shot. You're like, it wasn't it wasn't tough. I feel the opposite. I like to be cobbled on the golf course. I like to easily.

I like, oh, that was tough shot. I'm like, thank you. Yeah. I appreciate that. I do look for that.

I like look around. Like, did anyone see how hard of a shot that was? Anyone? Anyone want to say something to me? I'm just the opposite. Like, that wasn't fucking hard.

Like, what you're talking about? Or I hate when somebody's like, if you've got like 15 feet for, for like, whatever, just a 15 foot pot and you leave it like three feet short

or something that's on like a pretty good line. So it would be like, oh, great try. And you're like, that was a horrible try, dude. Damn, I love that. I love that. Great try.

Great put. I left a 15 foot putt three feet. That try sucked. I do like hearing the good putt because then you feel good walking up to it and you just tap it in. Yeah. I like it. Good try. I look at it like your judgment is horrible.

That was an opposite ends of the spectrum. Very much so. That was very much so. That might have been the worst try of the day. When they say good try, I think, yeah, it was. That was a good try. That was a good try. I tried my best on that one.

I think like if you think that was a good try, get the fuck off the golf course. You don't know what, you have no idea what's going on right now. Evan, he basically asked a pretty standard question that we get quite a bit. So I figure we might as well talk about it. Best way to travel with your clubs. Do you take them with you on the plane? If you do, what's the best bag to have? Do you ship them with one of these companies?

So we were sponsored by shipsticks at one time. I will say it totally depends on what you're doing. Most of the time, it's actually easier for me to just bring them with me. Because usually you pay $25 each way. And if that's your only bag, and I've done this, I've done a couple of the tricks before. I've talked about a couple of the old hockey tricks that you can use when you're traveling with golf. One of them is instead of packing a clothes bag,

instead of checking a clothes bag and a golf bag, you just put a bunch of your clothes and stuff into your golf bag with your clubs. And you can get up to 50 pounds in there. And then you put the rest in like a little carry-on. Boom, you're good. You just pay the $25 each way. That's $50 total. And your clubs just go with you.

people are like oh it's such a hassle like dude you always just Uber to the airport anyways so what's the hassle you have to put them into the trunk right you have you only have to walk them down from your apartment into the Uber and then like you know 50 feet into the airport and then everything has wheels nowadays anyways so yeah like it's really not a big deal um that's typically the best way that I've done it shipsticks is also great um but you have to with that you have to and there's a couple other companies like shipsticks I think they're all pretty similar at this point but you pretty much at that point you have to like prepare them a couple days in advance. You have to print out this thing and like laminate it and like put it, put it on your clubs,

this label, put it on your clubs and then like set it somewhere and they'll grab them. So it can be pretty efficient if you're one of those people that like prepares early and all that shit. But if you're not, then I do think it could be a little bit of a hassle. And I've heard some horror stories of them like losing them. Yeah. Now you also can have like the airline just like not put them on your plane and stuff like that too. So that can happen. But for me, get yourself a nice travel bag. I use this is a great it's a company called OGO, OGIO

I think is, and I got the mutant is what it's called. Wow. Thing is electric. Is it a hard case? No. It's a like really badass soft case. Got it. It's got great pockets. A couple of different shoe pockets. They're huge. You can put a couple pairs of shoes in each. Fit a bunch of clothes in there.

Things tough as nails. Like goes through all the hell that it goes through when the airlines have control of it. That's my recommendation. Go to the OGO. Get the mutant. That's what I got. It's awesome. So I think that nails all of that. Carson asks, which upcoming year has the best major championship venue lineup?

This I like to talk about because we've got a couple great years coming up. Really, to be honest, we're like the next year. I was going to say, I think it's between 2019 and 2021. 2021 is awesome too. I agree with that. So Augusta National is obviously a constant every year, the Masters. Next year we've got Beth Page Black in May right down the street. Then we've got Pebble Beach in June, and then we've got Royal Port Rush, which a lot of people probably don't know anything about that.

I don't really know that much about that outside of it's in Northern Ireland and it's like on the water and it's supposed to be awesome. I watched the height video after they aired it right after the Carnuski. Yeah. And it was like, oh, that's going to be awesome. I think we got chills. We did. Oh, man. Yeah.

Next year is a powerhouse line. Yeah. Next year is a powerhouse. The following year, 2020, we got Wingfoot, which I love. I played Wingfoot on Saturday, actually. No big deal. But then we've got TBC Harding Park for the PGA, which I don't think anybody's like that excited for.

I don't even know much about that course. Maybe it's awesome. I don't know much about it. And then Royal St. George's, which is a classic. That is on the Rota and all that for the Open Championship. But again, I don't think it gets the hype level going. Then you got 2021, which has Keel Island, which is a spectacular course.

Right on the water. Pete Dye, very, very, very difficult course. Rory won the PGA there. last time it was there what was that 2012 something like that then Torrey Pines where you know

they'll be on the cliffs all those types of views people like people like hang gliding and shit I feel like that's a big thing around San Diego Tiger 1 in 2008 last time they had a US open there then you've got the old course in San Andrew

so that lineup is awesome then outside of there it gets a little different we got Trump Bedminster for the PJ in 2022 that'll be interesting the country club up in Boston and Brookline. I've played the member guests there a bunch.

Try out, Francis, we met. The greatest game ever played. My favorite movie. Yep, that's your guy. You're swinging your hat in the air. That's right. After you had the greatest day. That last scene makes me cry like a little baby.

It was dead. Francis we met, that course is awesome. And they're going back there. First U.S. Open that's going to be there since like the 80s, I feel like, or something like that. Last time, I think most people saw that course. Well, they had the U.S. amateur there, I believe, in 1913 as the 100-year mark from

Francis We Met's U.S. Open. and then they had the 99 Ryder Cup, which was Justin Leonard and the putt and all that type of stuff. So that's how people know that track. And then we got some just a big shout out to my boys at our good close personal friend, USGA. Los Angeles Country Club in 2023 is supposed to be awesome. Apparently it's like it's this crazy vibe because it's right in the middle of L.A.

There's like skyscrapers and stuff all around you. And then you're in like this Fantasyland All World Golf Course right in the middle of it. So that'll be cool to see. haven't seen much from LACC, Pinehurst for the U.S. Open in 2024. And there's a Ryder Cup at Bethpage in 2024. So that'll be a good year. Those are one of those things where I've known about it for a long time. It's like right down the block from my house.

And I just like hope I'm alive for that. Yeah. That's like five, six years from now. You hear about it like 2016, 2017. Like, oh, it's coming 2024. It's like, geez, I wonder where my life's going to be in 2024. But I hope it's still like good so I can go to that writer. Yeah.

For like six years out, isn't that crazy? Like, that's a long fucking time. That's going to be a lot. A lot of people are saying that's going to be like a TSN turning point in the history of golf. Because the fans are going to be so crazy there. The golf's going to like go through a dark age afterwards and have to like rise from the ashes again. I love that they're already preparing for that. Yeah.

We're like just right down American writer. Like think about how bad of a rap U.S. fans got in Minnesota. In Minnesota. And you're going to put all those people at Bethpage Black. We're like they fucking, you get all these crusty Long Island New York guys chirp like 20 of them chirp you when you're off on a normal day. Yes. On Beth Pageball.

You're going to have 30-year-old Frankie Borrelli just like, rah-rah. Oh, shit. It's in six years. Yeah. I'm going to be 30.

I'm going to be 30. You'll be my age, 31. 31 years old. I'll be encroaching on 40. That's fucking insane. I'll be in my mid-30s. If we're still doing this podcast,

Price and D. Chabella might have your seat on the podcast at that point. What do you think we're going to be doing when Beth Page? I'll be 35. Jesus. We're still doing the same shit.

I'll kill myself. There's just no growth. If I'm still in this padded room when I'm 30 years old, just talking about like golf. Golf. And having people roast me for the way I say the fucking word golf. You might get assassinated by like a Frankie Butternice person before that happens. If I still have my butternives by 2024,

I'll never. Yeah. That might be the only constant. If I'm still have my butternized by the year 2024, I will never. play the game of golf again. If I still have my butternise, the day the Ryder Cup begins in 24, I will never play the game of golf again for the rest of my life. All right. Wow. If I don't mark that down. If I don't cure the butternise disease in six years and I'm still playing and still

like on this podcast and we're talking. I mean, this podcast is going to get big and we're going to be doing more golf stuff. And like if I'm still fucking blading these things over the green like that, I will never play the game of golf again. Are you going to ask Bryson if he has any like scientific way to cure the skull fucks. Do we have anything else on this podcast? He's not going to help me with anything. He can't help himself. Don't be mean.

Don't be mean. I'm not being mean. I'm just. So anyways, we got a lot of exciting venues, but I think next year is probably the best in 2021. I think you're right. Those two years are awesome. We also then have Oak Monaghan again in 2025.

I think then Pebble in 2026. And then Shinnock in 2027, maybe those two are reversed. But regardless, we got some big menus coming out. I like looking at these and just picturing Tiger winning like 80% of them. Yeah, same. Right? Like I already see Pebble, W. I see Torrey Pines, W.

Wingfoot, how is he going to do there? Wingfoot, he missed the cut in 06, but it was like a month after his dad died. Okay. And everything else is, I mean, Pebble and Tori Pines, he might as well just set him to the brother right now. Dude, I do the same thing. I go through all these and I go, yeah, Tiger could win there. Tiger could win there.

Old course. W. I mean, him winning at the country club would be an electric. Awesome. That would be awesome. Electric. Tiny greens there, so approach, iron game, all that will be very important. That's exciting.

That's exciting. I can see him winning in L.A., too. Tiger, just dominating. It'd be really cool. Yeah, I mean, he's a star. That's what stars do in L.A. Adam, comment on Frankie's pronunciation. Oh, here we go.

This could be controversial, Frankie. You ready for this? I mean, yeah, Adam is going to tell me about my pronunciation. As someone who's a quarter Italian, studied the language in college and spoke it nearly fluently and lived in Florence for several months. Weird flex, but okay. Frankie's pronunciation of Italian words were not only just plain wrong, but also borderline offensive to anyone with a remote understanding of how to read. Okay. He's mansplaining.

Hey, Adam, with your Italian to Italian. He's a quarter Italian. He's a quarter Italian. Who the fuck says that? I'm a quarter Italian. Well, he studied the language and spoke a Italian. So sick, dude. I also studied Spanish.

I don't know what the fuck. Hey, did you ever live in Florence for several months? No, I bet he didn't either. Maybe you say mozzarella instead of Mazzadell like an asshole. It's Moussidale. You, when you... I don't care what Adam, with his quarter Italianness, and he studied in college and spoke it nearly fluently. Sick brag, bro.

You lived in Florence for a couple of months. My family is Florence. When you say those words... I am Queens Boulevard. I am Queens Boulevard. You turn in... I am the one who knocks at him. You like turning to a different person when you say those words.

It's not saying it any certain way. It's just the way I say. I don't think about it when I say it. It's Mozzadell. It's Rigatone. I don't actually say it like that. I say Rigatone. That's a little bit too much.

Although, who am I to say? What's the other one? What's the other one? Regat. Alamed and regut. Oh, Rigata. Rigot's the real one. Rigot makes me able to punch you in a face.

If you walk into my house and say, hey, can you pass the ricotta? We're kicking you out. That's a fact. Really? Yeah. What if I'm just blatantly not an Italian person? I said we don't have to go back. Please give me the ricotta.

We did this apprais. People order them mulots and the cabernettes. And they order the ricotta with the side of rigatine. I mean, if you order, if you order mulat, you're an asshole. Yeah, same thing. See how you say that? But those are paying customers. People just know that.

People just know it's, no, they don't. Even add a man of gut. Italy. This is a big man of gut. It just sounds correct. How do you say marinara? I usually, I'll say, man. I mean, some people like my.

What, you just tried to church it up there? Grandma says madana. I don't say madana, though. My grandma, my nanny. I actually like that more than the other bullshit you're trying to put. Marana. A gut? Just ricotta.

Yeah, no, I... Gut feels like a punch in the stomach. Right. Every time I hear it. It's exactly what that feels like. Rigut! Like, when Tiger lost, I got a regut. He punched me right in the regut.

Sorry. But Adam, Adam can't tell you with his... He's quarter Italian. He's quarter Italian. Not only just plain wrong. Ancestry.com. But also, borderline offensive to anyone with the remote understanding of how to read. That's just incorrect.

I don't know. I would love to know where this guy is from. It's all about where you're from. I did study in Florence, Frankie. Yeah, but I bet you in Florence, they're saying, like, my grandma says, like, Madan. Yeah. You don't think they say a ragata? You don't think they say that?

You don't think they're out there in fucking Florence saying, uh, excuse me, please pass out of the racata? No. Put some, put some mozzarella on that. Yeah. Johnny, pass a racata. No, they say, pass out of good. Boom. Get the fuck out of you.

I don't know. Take it up with Adam. You think God, you think the Godfather says Ricotta? Shut the fuck up, Adam. No. What are you? The Borrellas are the godfather? I'm just saying.

You're one of the five. You think Guido Corleone says come in here and give me the Ricotta. You're one of the five crime families of Long Island? No, I'm not saying that. Just say, yeah. Rigata. I've been to the, uh, a wedding. of the Gotti's before.

That was an experience. You know what? I found out over the weekend is that my apartment is right by where a mob hit took place. That's pretty safe. Like a big mob hit. Really?

A John Gotti ordered mob hit. Did you find out which one? Yeah, it's Paul Castellano. Hell yeah. He got murdered. I think I remember that one. Outside of a steakhouse by my apartment. I think I remember seeing that

in one of the documentaries. You get shot in the car? Yes. Oh, yeah. Yep. Was this your old apartment? No, it's one I live in right now. Wow.

Yeah. I figured it'd be the one with the bars around the windows. No, no. That was in, that was in, that was in Crown Heights. Shout out. Shout out. No, the new one is, yeah, right by where Paul Costellano got gunned down.

People are going to know now. Oh, yeah, they are going to know. It's all right. I don't live that close to it. Like, I'm not like above the- What street do you live in? Shut the fuck up. I did that problem the other day.

I was like, on the radio. Dave's, someone said, oh, yeah, where are you living again? And I said, oh, I'm on the, I'm like in the area of like 20-second. And I just said the whole thing. They're like, so you just live there. Yeah. I was like, I don't know what area it's called. It's like the 22nd and like Parkette.

I just fucking did it now. You are. No, I live near. It's called Spark Steakhouse where Paul Costellano got gunned down. I live in the general area over there. I don't live like above it. I can tell you exactly what like number of my house in my apartment is. No one would be able to find me.

Yeah, that's true. Yeah. Last one, Drew says, Would you rather win the Masters yourself or be Tiger's Caddy while he wins five more majors and surpasses Jack? for the most majors of all time. The easy answer is I'd rather win it myself, but being Tigers caddy as he wins five more would be way more fun. I'm trying to think of like the picture that comes out of like him surpassing Jack.

So he solidifies himself as the best professional golfer of all time without anyone ever having an argument. Right. Whatever that picture, like that picture that everyone, is it like, are you part of that picture? Are you giving you? I mean, he probably hugs you and stuff. I think you are. Yeah.

Are you like a part of that famous one? Yeah. Like are you in the background of that last final, incredible, like, fucking... Maybe not a bump. Maybe not. Because if so, and you're on that ride of winning five more majors and you're winning a shit ton of money with him, right? You're becoming very successful. You're becoming one of the best caddies of all times.

You're going to be more famous, I think, if you're Tiger's caddy. Oh, down. And if you're you just win the Masters. I think so, too. Now, I will say this. I go winning the Master myself. One, you get to play in it every year. Forever.

two, you get to go to the champions dinner, which is awesome. Three, you're just known as a master's champion, obviously. That's very cool. Four, you're clearly good enough that, like, golf would always be really fun because you're really good at golf. Yeah. Patrick Harry, I've always been... Like, would you rather be Danny Willett or Tiger's Caddy?

I know. I know. Like, Tiger's Caddy, Wally wins five more majors. Yeah, I'd rather be the caddy. And I guarantee that you become, like, you become known as one of the best caddies of all time. And I guarantee you they invite you and Tiger will. take you to Augusta any fucking time you want. I get that, but I just think there's something for doing it yourself is cool,

rather than just being there while somebody else did it. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, Tiger would probably give you the praise and say, like, you were part of it. You'd be Tiger's boy, which would be sweet. Yeah. I'm picking Tiger.

But that doesn't, maybe doesn't last forever. True. You know? The minute that, like, yeah. People get kicked out of that circle all the time. Totally. You could be out of that circle quick. It would be, I'd rather, like,

have once been a part of that circle than do never have. Yeah. Yeah, I don't hate that. I see what you're saying. Speaking of Tiger, we got the match next week. Oh, yeah. Oh, it's next week. Isn't that crazy?

Next Friday. Fuck. Wow. That hype video that came out was insane. Oh, my goodness. So they're one for three now on the videos that have come out. Yeah. The Pong video.

Pong video, unbelievably lame. They weren't even in the same place. Nope. The reactions video. Did you see that one? This is another one that came out from the same outlet, who we're not going to name. where they like played them like viral golf swings from just random people and just like watch their reaction on video unbelievably lame hype video unreal if you all you got to do is

try to make it like a Nike commercial and then it's like that's good that's what they did with the one they just combined fill into it pretty much that was awesome just mix in a little fill into a into a Nike commercial and you've got a great promo yeah that's all you need yeah pretty much next Friday is the event we've got on no no no no no I think I think tomorrow night, the 13th, is the 24-7 comes out. Oh, wow. We're going to live-tweet that with all our audience, so all of you out there know that on the 13th, the 24-7

with Tiger Woods and Phil McKeson leading up to the match comes out. I want to say it's like 8 or 9 p.m. Eastern. We're going to figure that out before we close up the show here. But whatever time that is, we are going to be live tweeting it. We're going to be watching it. It's supposed to be awesome. I've heard from my inside sources. that were like wait until you see this 24-7.

It's supposed to be just off the church. I saw a little clip of it. It's exactly what I said I wanted. I want to see Tiger driving his car. I want to see him talking. I want to see him walking around. Yeah, I mean, it's, it's, and we're seeing the time here. What time is that coming out?

10 p.m. Is it 10 p.m. Eastern? So 10 p.m. Perfect. The islanders play at 7. 45 minutes. 45 minutes. It's going to be great.

It's going to be absolutely phenomenal. Also, little teaser. There's a chance I'm going to be in Vegas, support the match. A little teaser. Very good chance that I'm going to be at the match in Vegas, that I will not only be in Vegas, but I will be on the golf course during the match. That's some tease. That is some tease. I'm going to put it at well above 50% chance that I'm there.

Wow. Little teaser. So for you to not be there something drastically Yeah, I mean, things would have to go a little bit wrong compared to, you know, the current trajectory that they're going. Things stay the way they're going. If things stay the way that they are and we get kind of what we are hoping to get, then I will be in Vegas and I will be on the golf course for Friday. Wow.

Which would be awesome. I mean, that's the only thing that I would miss like Thanksgiving for is to go to the golf course and be at the match. Yes. I agree with that. I think that's pretty much, that's pretty right. So I'm excited. The match is going to be awesome. I've seen some outlets coming out trying to shit on it.

one, they probably don't have the potential access that I'm going to have. So they're probably being bitter little, you know, whatever's about it. And two, if you hate on this, you just got a big old dump in your pants. Right. It's like, it could not be happening. Like, it's not going to affect you either way. And all the negatives that people bring up are obvious. We get that it's probably 10 years too late.

Okay. We get that like paying for it is not as cool as not paying for it. I tweeted when this first got announced, I said if you complain about this, You're not allowed to watch. Then you just can't watch. Right. Because at the end of the day, they're just giving you something extra that didn't exist. Why are you upset about it?

If you don't want to watch it. Don't watch it. At the end of the day, Tiger Woods and Phil Mickelson are going to be miced up for four hours straight, playing high, high stakes golf on the Friday after fucking Thanksgiving, which is Black Friday. What the hell else do you have to do? Get a couple beers. If you're that cheap, that 1999 is going to break the bank, bring a couple buddies over, you split it.

It's seven bucks a guy, six bucks a guy. Yep. And you watch Tiger and Phil play golf against each other. And on top of that, it's going to be something that people are going to talk about. And remember, it'll just be like that little thing. Like, remember when Tiger beat Phil for $9 million or whatever. You're going to be like, yes, I do remember. And we're in the content business.

I never understand when we or they present something like this. And people are like, I don't want this. But it's like, you don't have to have it if you don't want it. Like it's just more content. Either you want it or you don't. They're not strapping you down to a chair in like torturing you to watch this thing. You either watch or do you don't. I think most people are going to watch it that are in the golf at all, that are in sports.

It's going to be something fun that's. that's on. It's only 1999. That's not that big of a deal. And again, I would pay 20 bucks to watch Tiger buy groceries or sleep because he might have nights. It's so cool that it's live too. If it was like a pre-packaged thing where they, let's say they did it on the golf course and then they like churched it up and added all these things. I tried to make it into more of like a documentary with the golf. Like the fact that it's just live, we want to watch Tiger Woods play every single weekend. We just like he wouldn't have played. We have long said that we just want a camera on Tiger all the time he's on a golf course. That's what we're getting. In a week. So it's no-brainer. I'm excited. Very, very excited for the match. And then shortly after that, we'll be the Hero World Challenge. Then it's like Christmas season for a month.

And then next thing you know, it'll be the tournament of champions in Hawaii. A couple weeks after that, we'll have Tiger starting, I would imagine, at Tori Pines. And boom, we're going to be into the season. So things are buzzing. Hopefully, the next part of this podcast, you're listening to Bryson D. Shambo. Again, as we recorded this, we weren't quite sure if we were going to get them or not get them. We are hoping to. regardless.

We had a lot to talk about. There's going to be a lot to talk about next week as we get closer to the match. This time next week, I will have much more finalized details on if I'll be in Vegas, if I'll be at the match, what to expect from me in Vegas, if I really am there, all that kind of stuff. I think that's it. I think that's all I got, boys. All right.

Hit it hard. Hit it hard.