Fore Play - Bryson, Fitzpatrick, LinksGems, Feherty & more: Best Of 2019 (2.0)

Episode Date: December 24, 2019

From Bryson on slow play to Fitzpatrick's boy telling him “I'm Back” to LinksGems on photo wars and much more, this show is a highlight mashup of some of our best interview moments from the second half of 2019. We'll be back next week with 2 full shows. Happy holidays, everyone.You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

Hey, 4Play listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcast, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Foreplay presented by Barstool Sports. It is the best of 2019. We made it, Trent. We did. We are here. We did a full year of 4-Play.

I can't imagine it could have gotten any better. It was by far our best year, for sure. Two interactions with L. Tigray, the goat, the boss man, Tiger Woods, everything that we've done. The stooleys have been incredible. We had a big presence at all of the major championships and everything that we went to all the tournaments. Awesome stuff. We were in Australia. We were in California.

It's just we, the Barstall Classic was phenomenal. I just like, I think we knocked it out of the park and I'm pumping our own tires a little bit here because it's just a really good feeling. I know it's December. It's Christmas. We're coming around town. And I just can't wait to get out of here out of this office and just go home, see my family. But this is the best of podcast. And what you are going to hear here.

is all the best stuff that we've done this year. That's including Bryson D. Chambot. He came on to talk about slow play. Literally the biggest story in golf at the time. Bryson D. Chambot. He can't play fast. He's playing slow. They're going to put people on the list.

We had Bryson on the next day. That's like 23 minutes into the show. You're going to talk. We're talking to Bryson Dishambeau again. Trey Billard. Is that how you say that guy? I don't know. Mr. 202.

Mr. 202. Maybe one of the most infuriating interviews you will ever hear. So we're going to let you listen to that again just to get you mad and angry. and you're going to be pissed off at Mr. 202. One of the worst people on this earth. Matthew Fitzpatrick, our Englishman. This is our guy. That's our guy.

He listens to supposedly every show. He came in early one day and just shot the shit with us for a long time. He's one of our favorites. Kirk Minahan, Lynx Gems. What Links Jems got to say in? That's right. That's right. That's right.

Yeah, I'd take a good shot. That's right. David Farity came in here. You're going to be blessed by his incredible accent. I mean, he can say literally anything. He can explain to you that your wife has been cheated. on you and is leaving with the kids and you'll just be like fine like right like that absolutely yeah i'm gonna listen i'm gonna listen back to this best of because i forget all the shit we did this

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What's up, guys? You know, not much. What's going on with you? Anything? Playing Fortnite. Waiting for Frank the Tank to come on board. I know, man. I've been off,

you know, I haven't hit the bus in what feels like months. I've just been off the ground. We've been so damn busy. You guys just have another golf tournament. Every week it feels like. I don't know how you have time to hit the bus as much as you do, but you do it.

and you become like a professional golfer. I don't know how. I cannot work and play Fortnite at the same time. Are you afraid to play with them? I'm afraid to play with them. No, you know, that was me just dancing around.

I'm probably worse than you, man. I'm probably worse than you. Play a lot. There's no way. Maybe true. I never know. So what, I mean,

what the last couple days has been like? It's kind of been like a whirlwind? Or what's it feels like over there? It's been crazy, but it's been good. You know, the one thing that I'll say about this whole, you know,

a whole issue that's gone around with pace of play and slow play is, it's great, actually. It's great that we're finally talking about it and moving in the right direction. I've always been outspoken, not necessarily outspoken a year ago, but recently about penalizing players. I'm totally fine with that. That's something that I've wanted people to do,

but at least make the policy and the system fair. And three years ago, I had a bit of an issue coming out on tour right, off the gate, had some timings, never bad time, just a lot of timings and unfortunately had to pay a good fine for it. And I'm okay. I initially had problems and I made some changes and things to implement things that it could make me play a little faster, which is great, you know, and I haven't never had really an issue since then. And this year, I've had four timings, one bad time that I'm still rebuttaling and talking to the guys about because it was,

a little, the difficult shot that I had. And sometimes when you get a really difficult shot, a difficult decision to make, it was five a memorial, I was right behind a tree, and I decided whether or not to lay up or go for it. You know, and I took a minute and ten seconds to hit the shot. So I got one bad time, you know. But it's five bad times, five bad times before you start getting fined,

from what I know, and then ten timings in total. before he's starting fine. And I'm at four and one. So, you know, like I'm not afraid to talk about it. I'm not crazy slow. I'm not crazy fast. And, you know, there are things that I absolutely have to work on putting.

The putting arena is my nemesis. I try and play as quick as possible, but that's one area where I'm, you know, not that fast. So, you know, for me, it's good that it's finally coming to light because I had an issue with it in the past. The biggest flaw in the system, and this is something that we're hopefully going to talk about and resolve coming soon, is the fact that guys can walk literally as long as they want to the ball. They can take as much time as they want getting to the ball, but once they get to the ball, and they get their 40 seconds. So theoretically, you can have a guy that walks to their ball in 10 minutes and the plays their shot in 10 seconds,

and he's never, ever, ever going to get penalized. That's a huge problem, you know, and it's unfortunate. that's that way, but that is what it is. And then the other thing, the other thing, too, is that, you know, Justin Rose brought up a good point. He said, how much faster are we really going to make it? Let's see we make it 20 minutes faster. You know, I mean, what's it really doing?

You know, and I agree that we need to pick it up and we need to play faster, and there needs to be an upper end threshold. But Justin Rose made a great point there, too. So let me ask you this. I mean, there's a lot of different schools of thought. We've been debating it. You know, we do radio, we do podcasts, we're on Twitter all the time. One of one of kind of the schools of thought, the theory is like, well, if this is your process, which it is, this is Price and Deschambeau's process, you're methodical, you're slow, whatever the hell you want to call it.

And nobody's punishing you for it. They're not saying you're against where you've only been put on the clock a couple times. You're not getting stroke play. You've got to get stroke penalties out there. Then why the hell would you, who's making millions of dollars, you got five wins, you're the eighth ranked player in the world. Why the hell would you change your method if no one's doing anything about it? you sort of subscribe to that or do you feel because it's weird to me for you to say as a kind of a slower player which you've been called that you want to see the rules change that seems

weird to me that you would say that yeah it is it is weird but here's the thing i cannot wait i can't wait for the pGA tour to show the timings and the time it takes for someone to hit their shot walk to the next shot hit their shot again walk to the green hit their put hit their put and show the actual process of how long it takes everybody to do all the steps included, not just when you're over the ball. There's plenty of guys out there that walk a little slower than most and don't take very much time over the ball. I'm the complete opposite. You know, we have to have a policy that is all-encompassing where it takes care of all situations,

not just one situation where you penalize, you're technically penalizing. I wouldn't say penalized, but you're technically hurting a guy like, me that walks really fast to the ball. Then I got to wait for the guys to come up and maybe I hit it past them. I'm one of the top 20 longest drivers on tour. And I got to wait for these guys to do their thing and get to the ball and hit their shot. And then I get to do my process. I'm not about to walk in front of them.

Shoot, if it was ready golf, I'd be getting up there every time and just boom, sending it, not even worrying about it. But I got to wait. I got to be respectful and let the guys behind me hit. you know and then when I when I'm behind them I get up there and I just I hit very very fast when it's my turn to put I'm get up there I'm ready to go you know and I just can't wait for the system to hopefully come out where we're showing the timings of literally every step of the process so people can get a good understanding of what goes on the thing that happened on 8 the other day

I'll be yeah it absolutely took two minutes but I missed a put just like one of you guys just like anybody you know I mean I suck sometimes what can I say the way it is, you know, but I'm not condoning it one bit. Look, it was something where we didn't know the REITs, Tim pulled me off, and it wasn't great. Do you, I mean, looking back at something like that or even in real time, I mean, is there any, do you feel any consideration towards, you know, part of that video that's going crazy viral is like Justin Thomas kind of putting his head around, you know, and they got to stand around and that there's the argument that it's, you know, some people go as far as like, it's cheating to effect, I wouldn't go that far, but people are saying,

you know, when you're playing with other players, it's inconsiderate, it's not fair to them, that they have to stand there for two and a half minutes, two minutes and ten seconds, while Bryson's going through his whole read when you're only supposed to give 40 seconds. Is there any consideration from you of that? Do you feel bad for that, or what are your thoughts on that? Yeah, absolutely. I feel, you know, I would say that it's a little frustrating that they would take that light because there's clearly a lot of other instances where these guys have taken the same amount of time in certain situations.

You know, whatever it is. For example, I'll give you a great example on 7. Friday, that same Friday, Justin Thomas hit it way right on 7. And, you know, we, Tommy and I both hit our shots from the middle of Fairway, and we were waiting for him, hit his shot, albeit he was in a weird situation, you know, out with no sprinkler head and all that, right? It's kind of the same thing.

I know this is a straightforward eight-foot put, but sometimes when you just can't see it and you can't read it, And then you get your caddy that pulls you off, which takes another minute. I mean, there is a bit of an issue. Now, in the consideration aspect of it, I'm absolutely that way. But there's some time, for example, that there are very difficult putts out there that I just don't do well with, you know, and I couldn't read it very well. And unfortunately, made a mistake. And I feel bad for them.

I do feel bad for them. Absolutely. I'm not trying to hurt anyone ever. That's never my intent out there on the golf course. you know and trying to be considerate that's what I always try and do unfortunately it may not come off as that but you know if in that instance it didn't most of the time I'm trying to get out of people's way and doing everything I can to be as consider as possible if I wasn't considerate you know I'd just go up there and play in front of them I wouldn't give a shit you know I'd go out there and do my

absolute best to play as fast as possible but you know what I can't do that because it's disrespectful the guys behind me that are playing you know know, there are, you know, 10 yards behind me. So, yeah, I absolutely agree that it is, I try and be as considerate as possible, and I feel bad for those guys that sometimes I have to endure that, but sometimes I have to endure other people's stuff too. It's not just me. There's a lot of other things, a lot of other people out there that are slow and it's tough.

You know, like J.B. Holmes, for example, there's a lot of other, a lot of talk about that, right? And so for me, you know, I feel bad for other players that. to play with him, you know, and it's just the exact same thing as me. I feel bad for those moments as 1% moments that I have where I take a little bit of extra time because it's like, yeah, I feel bad for him too, but they do it as well. Everybody does it. That's just what I got to say about that. So, yeah, like Justin Thomas, he came out, his quote was, I like Bryson as a person, but he's a slow golfer. He had a bunch of other guys. I know, as you've seen on social media, Eddie Pepperell,

Lee Westwood coming out. I mean, do you feel like, do you find that to be unfair? Do you feel like it's like a mob mentality that all of a sudden because there are other guys like you mentioned jb holmes some guys who have always be considered slow players you're not the only one that's ever been called that do you feel like it's unfair that they're all of a sudden coming after you well i think it's disrespectful i think this is a pg a look this is a pj tour policy issue and this is a internal pga problem that needs to be resolved more or less internally i'll get guys catching wind of it because you know there's some slow players out there and they're talking about it yeah Whatever, Gary.

Gary, Gary Woodland, I just saw me. Tell me, you know, that sort of stuff. Sorry, I lost track where it was. Yeah, we were talking about just like the players kind of ganging up on you, it feels like, or comment, you know, do you think that's fair? I think it's a little disrespectful, unfortunately.

You know, like I said before, it's as a PGA tour matter and turn on. I love it if they came up and talked to me about it personally. I played with Eddie Pepperl at the WGC Mexico event, and we never had an issue. Yeah, I do take a little bit more time on the Greens, but I'm working 100% to speed it up, and it's not like I'm not trying to. I never want to make anybody feel that way. I care about my reputation too much for that to occur. It's something at the extent where, you know, at the end of the day when I'm on my deathbed, I don't want people to think.

that way about me. That's certainly something that there's any like malice behind it. Right, Bryson? Like I don't think like when you're doing these things like they're like, oh, he's just trying to get JT off his game or he's like, I don't think. I'm trying to make a pot. Exactly. I mean, and I think we all can agree like standing over a putt for like two and a half, three minutes for an eight footage. Like we can't have that all the time, right? It's something that just can't be done. And you're saying like, but that's my point. Right. That's my exact point is that it's one percent of the time that happens. It happens with every player, I guarantee you one time because there's some weird situation that occurs. It's a weird

put. We can't see the way. We can't, you know, it's just like you're going over a put and you're just like, dude, I have no idea which way it breaks. And, you know, for us guys that are trying to make a living off event, trying to do our best and trying to provide great entertainment, we want to provide you a great show. We want to try and make these puss. This is my livelihood. I'm trying to do really well out there. It's not like you just saw it, it's just whatever. It's a tough pot and just hit it and go because it's your average day of golf out there. It's just not what it is. Yeah, it really didn't help your case

that you missed it big time. You wanted to drain that. You're going to want to make that one. You're just going to want to make that one. The video would have gone a lot better if you would have made it. I would have loved to have made it. I just, you know, again, I suck.

That's the way it is. So, you know, the Brooks Kepka situation, he's made comments before. He's mentioned your name once before. He's been pretty vocal going after slow play. then this whole storyline developed where he was kind of one of the players that was commenting on slow play. I guess he said he didn't mention you by name, but he was going after slow play. Obviously, you were in the headlines with it.

Then yesterday, you know, the practice green beforehand on the range with his caddy. What all happened? Yeah, so essentially there's been a lot of things getting misconstrued a little bit. Essentially, I went up to Rick and I said, hey, you know, I'd love it if Brooks came up and talked to me about some of the stuff to me personally. and I'd love it if he'd come over. And he's like, look, this is a situation between you and Brooks. I know, I know. He's not here right now.

I'd love it if he came over and talked to me to my face about this. You know, I want to make sure we clearly are and everything's good. You know, and then you had guys, same stuff back and forth. And anyway, time goes on, and I see Brooks, and I'm warming up and doing my thing. He's doing his thing. And finally, we're both in the range, and he comes over to me. And when he did that, I gain the utmost respect for him. I mean, that's classy.

That's exactly what we need to do on tour. And maybe not in an outdoor setting, but, you know, when we're in the locker, we see each other all the time, it could have been done better there, I'd say. But at the same point in time, it was great for everybody to see the situation. We've got to be men about this. We can't be doing stuff on social media all day long and saying this and that about each other without talking to us personally about it and say, hey, dude, we need to pick up the face. We need to do this.

We need to do this. Or what's the deal? What was up? Why did you take so long on that, that pot, whatever it is? trying to understand the situation to make it better for everyone else on tour. We want to enjoy around. We're going to provide great entertainment. We want to have a good time out there in a timely fashion as well.

I mean, there's no doubt about it. But when we start attacking people personally, it's like, do we're coworkers. Come on. We're supposed to be doing this to provide entertainment. And I keep going back to that because that's what the PGA tour is about. It's really, you know, first off, providing great entertainment, second off, doing a lot of great terrible things for the world. I mean, that's what we're about.

you know, and have something like this that's caught so much wave that's bringing light away from the fact that we're doing so many other great things in the world, you know, through the PGA tour. You know, and I'm not trying to move it away from the issue because it is a huge issue. But at the same point in time, I want other people to know that the PGA tour is doing things. And they're going to continue to do great things and we're going to continue to revise things as well. just like this pace to play thing needs to be resolved people need to need to get shot penalties what's happening and we start having a proper use of or a proper timing system it's going to show a lot it's going to prove a lot for example yesterday my buddy Connor my manager started timing me on everything and on every shot I was around 30 seconds

and on every putt, I was around 45 seconds. There were a couple times where I was over a minute, but it's made up by the time that I walk from the fairway to the green or the T-Ox to the fairway. You know, I walked at a faster pace. And so, you know, just getting the information out there, educating people that hits is a huge problem. We need to fix it, and we're looking at ways to solve it.

I'm looking at ways to solve it internally. How can I put faster? How could I do things in a more, efficient manner because I certainly damn well do not want to be out there for six hours nor five hours nor four hours. I would love to be out there for three hours or less. It'd be awesome if we could have golf carts. Holy crap, that'd be awesome. Are you just like the fastest walker in the world? Dude, I'm serious. I could truly enter speedwalking competition and beat anyone. I really think so. You are conscious of that when you're out there. You're out there like I need to move fast so that I,

if I need the extra time, I've got it. I've never thought of it that way, that if they're timing you guys based off of when you approach the ball as compared of what you're saying, if you get to the ball quicker than most people, you should get like an extra 10 or 15 seconds. It all is just so. It's someone saying that we're like dicing this down to like the how many seconds it takes like I think everyone kind of gets it.

Like it should be quicker. He took a lot of time on the one putt. But so you don't know me from Tim Buck do. I go by Lurch on the show. Listen to that voice. Listen to that voice. But anyways, I've got all sorts of putting issues.

I can talk about that. But you're saying you're like biggest problem. is too, because you're a fast walker, you actually don't even get rewarded by that because you're longer hitter on the tour, so then he's only as fast as kind of the slowest guy that he plays with. You're basically speeding up to stop. So really no benefit there. And that's where

you gain some. So when I have Right, right, you're 100% correct. So when I have somebody that walks at a faster pace as well, like, you know, I played with Corey Conner's the last day. We were never, ever close to being off of time par. Or you take a guy like Jason Day

and Stevie Williams that I played with the WTC's FedEx St. Jude Classic, there was never, ever one ounce of an issue. We were actually at WGFedex St. Jude Classic waiting for the guys in front of us on every single hole, and Stevie was getting pissed at the rules of it. We were getting mad. We were like, come on, let's hurry it up. And so, you know, another part of this, too, that's very important is caddies. Everybody out on tour now relies on their caddies heavily, right? And so they're the ones getting us the yardage, confirming the yardage, checking the win, making sure all this other stuff is good. So if you get a, and I'm not bashing any caddies.

I'm not saying that that's the issue. What I'm saying is that that's a part of the equation to calculating end the full time it takes to play a round of golf. You know, these guys are maybe walking fractionally slower because they have these huge, heavy bags on or whatever. It takes them longer to get there sometimes. And sometimes they don't know where the sprinklers always are because we're switching tournaments and all that. and we don't know the golf courses very well and whatnot. And so that's got to be added into it as well. It's not just the players hitting the shot.

It's about the preparation going into it. Let's say the caddy gets up there first and he gets all the numbers and you get up there like, oh, it's 125, you know, wins into us this, let's play effectively this. Go, boom, that easy. But if you've got a guy that's behind you and the player gets to the ball, then the guy start timing you. And then the caddy gets up there finally. He's got your numbers.

You're looking at your number book. It just takes a lot longer if the guy isn't up on par with the... So it's another part of it that is very important that people don't talk about. You have walking... Go ahead. You know, to a lot of people, that would sound like this is a guy, a slow player, who's looking for any excuse to say that he's not a slow player, right? Like, here's a video of him taking two minutes and ten seconds to hit a put,

and he's talking about cat. He can't find sprinklers, and he's reaching. That's like, to a lot of people, that's what that comes off. That's exactly, but that is the exact opposite. And I'm just saying that's a part of it. That's a part of it. You know, I'm looking at the whole thing as an equation saying, look, as the player obviously hitting the shot,

it's obviously how fast we're walking. It's obviously the caddies that help that get put in from the caddies. It's also the time it takes to walk a 7,500 to 8,000-yard golf course. and it's also the time in between holes, you know, and if there's galleries or things or whatever that's going on. I mean, it's a very complex system if you start breaking it down, but I'll tell you right now that I'm not putting blame on anyone else but myself for that two-minute video. 100% my fault, no doubt.

Same point in time, we've got to look at how it's structured is that I had the ability to use that two minutes because we were under time par and we were perfectly acceptable. Now, me being courteous to these other guys or not courteous to these other guys is the way it looked. That's not what I'm trying to do at all. That's not me one bit. And I, you know, I think you're right. I think it's, I think it is. It's a playoff for $65 million.

Right. And, you know, and I, that's another thing that's nice about the PJ tournament. You guys make a lot of money. But we, you know, it's, it's tricky and so tricky and been tricky for everyone. People pulling quotes from 1939 about Ben, you know, you guys. Hogan and then bitched about how slow he was. People were pulling quotes from, you know, or stats. Brandel was pulling stats from Jack Nicholas in 1986. The fact that he took like two minutes to line up his eagle put on 15 at the Masters on Sunday. And it's like, what are you going to cut those seconds or

those not important seconds in the history of golf? So obviously it's crazy complicated. And I do, I mean, I think almost all of us here, pretty much agreed that it wasn't fair that all of a sudden you became like this poster boy for slow play and what you're doing and defending yourself is going out and saying, look, man, I know that that video was slow. But if you look, at all the different pieces. You know, that's just not deserving of all the backlash that I'm getting. So my question would simply be like, what would you say the solution is? Is it just penalized people when they take more than, you know, a certain amount of seconds?

Do you start counting them from the minute that they walk off the T? Like, what is the solution? Because clearly people are upset about slow play. Yeah, absolutely. I think a possible solution. One thing that could be very helpful is that, yeah, we take a total, we time everyone. Essentially, everybody gets timed from the moment you tee off to the time you put in the flagstick on the last hole, and we're individually timed. So, you know, how long it takes you to walk there, how long it takes you to play when it's your turn to play, and you add them all individually.

It needs to be individually timed. and if it's an accumulative total of X and it's over the allotted amount of time that it should take you to walk and play your shot finish the hole and if it say three times during the course of a round you get penalized you know that could be one way another way man that's the best way that I've found that's it could be four holes whatever it is you know but it's you're out of position and you take more than a lot of time, you've got to make it up somewhere else.

So you look at how long it would take him to walk to the ball. Well, I was going to this. Okay, so everyone is it fine. It's totally fine. So those are, you know, a couple that we could do it. But everyone is just, hey, look, this is how long it took him to walk to the, how long it took him to hit the shot. You know, he did it for 30% of the time during the round,

and that's warranting a one-job penalty. You know what I mean? So you could do it a couple different interesting ways, but that's the best way that I've come up with. And I'm totally up on par with that. I think penalizing players would be good. You know, it shows. I don't know if that makes sense or has any relevance to you guys,

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Sometimes it feels like by name only, as you're obviously in a different city. Right. You're a little bit of a cramudgeon. You're getting into it with folks all the time. Yeah, I don't know. You know, I think that's overplayed. By who? Just in general, by people.

I'm a big golf fan, Owen. The reason you would know that is because I tweet about the events while they happen. We originally taught golf right before the Masters. Yes. And you were doing at the time your own little, what, podcast? Well, I was working still at Intercom. Were you? Yeah, yeah.

They moved me over and we were trying to figure other stuff out. I thought you were on like fucking podcast.com or something. No, radio. Radio. Radio. Just owned by Intercom. So they were paying me, as I said earlier, some other podcast today, a fucking fortune to do this podcast to keep me off. They were paying me to pay me to not be on the radio.

That's how much they didn't want me on the radio anymore. They were paying me an insane amount of money. That's awesome. Why did you stop that? A person who is a normal train of thought would say, let's just ride this train as long as can be. But I fucking kicked my way out. And now I'm here talking to you guys about fucking Jared Corobis is tweeting.

I mean, really? What a fuck happen? What a fuck happen? What the fuck happened? So yeah, I had you on before. And I think you picked Tiger to win. I did. So you had me on legit.

I think the Tuesday or Wednesday before the Masters. Which I went to, yeah. You were there. Last two years I've gone there. So I want to have you on. I want to talk. We talk off. We shout the shit.

We talked about a bunch of guys. But ultimately you were like, all right, don't be, you know, don't be a character. Don't be Mr. Tiger fan. Like, who do you think? And I gave my reasons and said, I think Tiger Woods is going to win the Masters. Now, I have said that about every turn. What happened? Well, Tiger Woods won the 2019 Masters.

I will say we were at a point where we were picking him pretty much every week. Right. Well, what happened was once you get on that train, I can't not pick him one week. Then if he wins, you're forever roasted about that. True. And you can't ever load down this, that ball. But also, there are a lot of good reasons to think Tiger was going to win the Masters. And obviously it turned out to be right.

So I think you're a little bit of a good luck charm But we shout the shit We talked a lot of golf that week Have you always been a big golf guy? Huge Oh God, well I started playing like as a teenager And since then it's all I care It's literally all I care about

I was telling the guys before I mean I told you earlier I didn't give a fuck about these NFL games yesterday I'm watching Nah and Canley Like it's the most important sporting event In my life time Do you like watching golf more than you like playing golf? It's pretty close

It's pretty close I can watch I watch the fucking Solheim Cup The entire thing I'll watch the champions tour I'll watch. You put it on, I'll watch this idiot play one fucking, I'll watch, I'll watch anybody play golf anywhere. Well, we're always stunned because we talk, you know, it's our fucking job, the content game. You're trying to come up with videos.

And we're always, at first, especially, like, stunned at how many people and how much enjoyment they get out of just watching us play golf. And people say all the time, like, you guys fucking suck. I don't get why, especially the haters, but you guys suck golf. Everybody sucks a golf. Unless you're like a top 50 player in the world, a lot of times you suck at golf. Well, if you're flipping around, right, on the weekend or whatever, and you land on the, what's the one they play in Tahoe, the celebrity one? Oh, the, uh, la la la, is it.

You know, I was actually talking. Whatever is, you know, they're fucking throwing footballs on the beach. If you go on there and you're watching Jerry Rice is about to hit a golf shot, are you going to change the channel or are you going to watch your shot? You're going to watch every single time. I don't care. It's there's something. If you're into it, if you're not, I understand.

And that's fine. Go do something else. But if you're into it, there's nothing more compelling. For some reason, there's not. I've always been obsessed by it. And you get the aspect of play. Like for me, especially this time of here. people and you know we host barcel radio right barcel radio is not a golf show so like sometimes

I'll just start going on tirades I'll start talking about golf this that I feel like it's fucking football season you loser this that my point is like if the weather's nice enough that I could be outside golfing I'm golfing I'm not sitting inside watching football day and I've been on a pretty strong crusade this year that I think football in the NFL for the most part is boring I think most games are boring how do you play golf if you live in New York City though it's very difficult you got to have connections yeah I'm where do you go you go in the island I played yesterday it took me an hour and a half to get to where I go. It stinks.

It honestly just stinks. I was talking to guys before. Nobody has cars. Basically, nobody has cars, right? So what the, you get a fucking schlop on the train and bring the, subway.

Oh yeah. No, you do the move. You bring the clubs. You got to sit in between your legs. You get people, give you a looks all the time. Half the people on the subway

want to smack you. Right. And we talk about this on the show. Whenever we play, we play, we play. There's no practice. Because if you're going to go out

and make the effort, you got to play, and that makes us suck golf even more. Right. Correct. So you started playing when you were a teenager. Like what, did you grow up like what? Country Club live in, public golf golf?

So I mean, no, I know my dad didn't play until he was much older. My next door neighbor played a little bit. And one day he just grabbed me. He's like, you're going to go play. It was Woburn, which is like a nine hole course next to the town. I grew up in Massachusetts. That's a nice little nine hole course. Yeah, I've been there.

Yeah, it's okay. Don't they like mix up the T's? Do the holes change a little bit or not? Yeah. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, yeah. So I didn't know anything. I watched a little bit on TV at that point, but not really.

I remember I hit my first drive. on the fairway the ball was there grabbed there were two old guys we got paired up with the ball was there grab it in the fairway teed up the ball in the fairway oh no guy was like I was like no you don't do that I was like oh all right and I was I was I was I was I was I think I had a couple of decent shots I was fucking hooked totally hooked yeah I mean that was it was it's all it takes how is your game are you because uh and we talked about this a little bit before the show that we were getting tagged like a month ago whenever it was you're out at some you know you're out at some you know foxwood that uh Foxwood that's right league of Isles I think which I love that place

great gorgeous spot yeah course always phenomenal condition awesome awesome awesome Awesome. But it was, it had to be part North Korea, like your little Minahan show crew was doing a North Korea deal. I shot the 28 that day. I was fucking watching every time I saw another Instagram video. It's like tagged in like, watch out Riggs Barclos. It was you making like a 40 foot putt. Correct. Yes. Yes. Yeah. It's also put in contrast to blind mic playing as well. That's kind of made it all look better. That's good point. Well, he's blind. He didn't struggle that day. He struggles every day. That's true. To do minimal life life tasks. We can't see. Right. Right. Right. That's a part.

Golfs really hard if you can't see. Correct. One of the main senses, he just... There's the one blind guy who we still want to have on the show who's pretty good at golf. Oh, we totally let that fizzle out. We did. We got to put that down. And the tickle file is pretty good.

Jeremy points a knot, the world's top blind golfer. Yeah, we're going to do a little bit where we play against them. They were going to play against me because I'm a bad golf. I think if you can drive the ball if you're blind. You can play with your eyes. But you can drive. I mean, you can hit the ball off a two. Their eyes closed.

You can do it. You can do it. You have a nice swing. down, Frank. It's not like you're doing it. And I don't know. I don't know. Imagine playing just close your eye. I mean, that's what we're talking about. I mean, just go close your eyes and pick up.

Like, a 35-yard shot. No, that's the thing. Like, you want to tip the ball and rip it fine. But like, how do you put the ball in the center of the club face? Yeah, but I don't know. Think about this. Think about hard golf is for us and we can see fine. Dude, the biggest thing that people say is keep your head down.

Look at the golf ball. It's like one of the biggest tips. You're just looking up. Like, dude, I told you, I'm blind. I can't see the golf ball. So it doesn't matter if my head was like backwards. I was number one in the world for a while. He lifted his head every single time.

Onica, too. Onica, too, big time. Onica is one of those. So we talk about this a lot. When I watch Rory play golf, I think immediately I have no hope. That is a motion that I'm incapable of. Now, when you get other guys like Furek or in the women's game, I would always say onica was one that I would watch her swing and be like, you know, that's not that far off from a motion that I could do.

Because she had like the Steve Strick, it's like all arm. Right. Yeah. So I'll watch the women's. Again, I'll watch anything. So I'll watch the women's golf, and they'll hit, you know, there'll be 160-yard par three, and they'll be hitting, like, four hybrids in there, right? Or, you know, 440-yard par-fives are laying up.

You want to mock them, but then you realize they're 14 under par. I don't care if I'm playing a par three course that's 50 yards. They're fucking 14 under par. They are... I know they never missed the fairway ever. But how is that possible? They are so accurate. There's nothing.

Precision in their short games. I feel like any time I watch an LPGA tour event, any chip that they have, I'm like, oh, this might go in. They almost hold out every time. Are they more accurate because their speed is less? I don't know what it is, man. If I knew I would just like replicate it. Once you get off the T, they are the best golfers.

They're unboweled. Well, they're also more accurate, but they're also more accurate. What I mean by that is when you take length, like, when you take length out of it. 100 yards in, you're saying? 100 yards in. I mean, they're just as good as the men. Oh, I guess that's true. No?

No. So this is good. I can't believe that's true. But they're like in some of these tournaments, they're like 18, 20 under bar. I know, it's crazy. You're probably right. It's crazy. I will say then, though, you'll watch, like, Lexi Thompson-Tia.

She, like, hits it further. She bombs it. There's a few of them who just totally bomb it. Absolutely crushes the golf ball. You can't go that under par without actually getting the ball in the hole. True. I mean, they're doing, they're doing the thing. They also, like, they play.

They're doing what golf is. Get the ball in. They also play. It's like they're playing from 55-00 yards. No, we looked it up before. It's like similar to what we put. It's like 6,800 yards, right? Yeah, I don't know if it's that.

It might be 62, 63. 63? 63. You see a lot of like 380 yard par 4s and 450 yard par 5s. But that's the part of my game. I can't, I have no fucking distance. I also, we could just be wrong about our distance numbers. Like they might be playing.

65, 60. I have no idea. I have no clue. So how's your game in general? Are you actually pretty good. Right now I just looked up my gin 9.3. Okay. Not bad.

I mean, not, you know, not tremendous. Solid, solid, solid. Mid-80s golf. Like high-age. Yeah. And occasionally I'll break 80. Yeah. You're right there with us.

Great short, great short game. Great. Great. According to your guys. No, no, I mean, like, I have a great, I have a great, the night of dispute. It's a great short game. You're going to get in your feelings. I have a scratch short game.

So what, do you swing just stinks? I can't fucking them off. I have no distance. I have no distance. I have distance issues. Oh, really? Yeah. Is that because you're small guys?

Not mask on, I guess. Is that what you're saying? You, but you're, I don't know what you were going to say next, but I knew was going to be insulting. I can't hit it. I can't, like, I can't get to the bottom of them. Because you're testosterone's low? What is it?

You were telling me about your putting, you got some wild putting stuff on. the Roman's a big friend of the Kirkmanahan show as well. Everybody needs Roman. I'm swiping on before the round. You're trying to fuck longer. I haven't fucking come during around in years since I used Roman. One time I came on the 16th, but there was a big delay. But if there hadn't been, I would kill a great shot.

Yeah, I fucking smoked one off the tea. You couldn't not come with that shot. No, but yeah, I'll put it on 40 or 50 before around. Is that an issue or no? No, I think that's great. Yeah. I think that's good. Whatever works for you.

Is Roman and Adread on this show? Because if they are, I mean. Well, they are with us. So, fuck it. We'll fight for the promo code. We'll fight for the promo code. Yeah. Get Roman.com slash Kirk.

That's why I'm here. What's with your putting? What's going on? What are you? So it's a myriad of things. So I've struggled with the putting over the years, not yips, but some stuff. But now this year, I told you before, you know how Stricker does a thing with the toe on the putt? Yeah, his hands are real high, it feels like.

Yeah. So I do that in the short putts now. The longer putts I don't. The longer putts are more feel still. And I go cross-handed. So my grip is, do we have a club here, right? We have a putter. You guys have clubs here?

No, I mean, probably somewhere. You know, we've got to share this with caller day. They'll shove, you know,

you don't know what's going to happen out there. That's fine. In a different way. Yeah. So you guys, you never do a crossover episode. Flipper.

Where you guys talk about, like, eating ass and they talk about. I see, Frank. We do a crossover episode when they're in the studio next to us and we can hear them yelling.

Yes. That's really about as close. So mine is more like this. Okay. Okay. I go over like this on the longer putt still. Okay. A little bit of that.

So you're like almost like a half. No, you cross, are you cross-handed? Cross-handed with the claw. Yeah, yeah. Wow. Yeah. The claw. Yeah.

and cross-grid. My brother Ryan did the opposite. He was a righty one year. He putted lefty and putt in great. With a right-handed grip? Yeah, I think he did. I think actually, yes, he did. It's the easiest way to, because you still get to keep the grip that feels right, but now you're struggling.

That much? It's pretty bad. Although yesterday, I mean, we could talk about our rounds this weekend. I don't know if we're going to do with Kirk. We're just hanging out. You putted phenomenal? Yeah. I shot in 85, played Cherry Valley golf course.

I was bad off the tee, but scrambled. I was making pars, pars, bars. I, like, I shot 40 on the back, but, like, when I tell you, like, this golf course, is running at probably the fastest greens I've played all year, including like MPCC. Like we played some phenomenal golf courses, and Cherry Valley Country Club was playing so fast that it felt like you were putting on ice. You tap the ball and it was flying.

Surprise you, because usually your issues, you crank them past. I was these lag putts. I was hitting a lot of greens in regulation, but I was on the ends of the greens, and I was hitting like 50 foot, 45 foot, 30 foot sliders that were just going to tap in range. I was getting putts given to me all day.

It was crazy. You change anything in your putter? No, the same thing? Changed nothing. Just hadn't played in two or three weeks, so I felt like maybe all the bad juju is like a reset. Just like, yeah, I just didn't know how to put badly anymore. My putting, it's the only club that I hold differently than all my other clubs. And the only thing that I do differently is instead of interlocking my pinky.

So it would be my, you know, I'm a right-hand of golfer. It would be my left hand, my index finger instead of interlocking. I just move it to the outside and lay it between my pinky and ring finger on the outside of my right hand. And the only reason I do that is because in probably 2,000. 2004-2005 when I started getting really into golf. I read a Golf Digest article that said Tiger Woods does it. It's the only reason that I do it. Wow.

And I've done it ever since. And my brother, similarly, he like three or four years ago, what was it, was it, 2015 when was unreal and putting lights out. He was like, he was making 20 footers, 25 footers at the rate that most people make like six footers on the PGA tour. He was cross-handed. So my brother just started putting cross-handed because he's like, and I was like, Kyle, anything wrong with your putting? He goes, no, my putting is good, but Speed putts cross-handed.

So I'm just going to start putting cross-handed. He does it ever since. Is it fucking weird how that happens? Yeah. Yeah. And it's a total feel, though. It'll go, what sucks is when you lose it, you just fucking lose it, and then it's gone, and you're just frustrated, and it just drives you nuts. So you're a guy who you have a lot of strong feelings about things.

You never shy about that. I think so. Let's talk about, like, some golf takes. Like, what do you think about Tiger Woods? Do you like Tiger Woods? Do you hate Tiger Woods? I have done. No, I mean, I'm with everybody else now.

It's impossible. It's weird, though. Like, would you, if I said to you, Tiger wins a Masters this year. and is essentially irrelevant after that. Or he's as good as he was before the Masters for the next four or five years, but doesn't win the Masters. Would you make that trade?

You know what I'm saying? But he still could win after? Yeah, there's always that. Because right now, let's face it, he's been irrelevant. Yeah, you're saying we were more optimistic about his game at this point last year. I mean, I think he's still in the top 10 in the world, but, I mean, not really, right? I mean, he's done, what has he done since the Masters? Nothing, right?

Yeah, I agree with that. A decent memorial, but I mean, he doesn't, you put it this way. Is that a few more knee issues? Yeah, so you kind of. He just had it cleaned out. He's fine. I know. You just wonder.

You just wonder, is it going to, you know, is it going to end? But no, but I mean, he's the most, he, there is no athlete on earth who moves a needle in their sport like Tiger Woods. Not even debatable. It's not even close. You're such a big principle. I could see you being like, I don't like, I don't like Tiger Woods and I never will. I could see you be one of those. I can send pictures of his dick to somebody?

Correct. Oh, I don't care. What the fuck am I going to do? Or I don't know. Even like when you read the book, there were stories about, like, he. Well, he's clearly a bit of an asshole. I mean, you grilled him on that in that video. I don't know how he survived it.

You looked very upset. I almost got physical. Oh, yeah. No, that was you were right. I mean, I was cross-examination. There was almost two guys who were just like looking at each other like someone's going to, who's fucking throwing first? He was going to flinch. Put your hands up.

To be continued. Immovable force. Immovable objects, unstoppable force. I mean, he's so great. It's just, you know, it's, no, I mean, I would never. And, you know, but he plays well once, you know, between now and the master's and, you know, everyone's going to pick him to win the master's. Yeah, that master's. Yeah, that master's.

that master's been so satisfied. Especially with Dave and all the haters, you can be like, fuck you. You never thought he's going to win anything. And it answers so many questions. It's like, dude, he came back 11 years later and won a fucking major. That's out in and that can count,

you know, people always count that for multiple majors. You'll have that moment. The juxtaposition between his father, the hug on 18 and his son and all that. Like, you always have that. I also love this.

I mean, I would love the Masters. I know they'll never do it. I love that Sunday morning. I thought it was awesome playing on Sunday morning. Oh, how cool was that? It was so great. It was the best thing ever.

Best thing ever. And so the waiting all day, it was great. They'll never do it for TV reasons. But also, Molanari, that loss is going to stick. That is a fucking killer. Because he was unflappable. Oh, he's fucking awesome. And he dumps two in the water.

But yeah, but I think you're right. If you're a Tiger fan, plus it's the Masters. It's like you won some random PGA somewhere. Right. He won the best thing you can win in golf. Oh, the best thing you win in sports. After people said he was done. You think winning the Masters is the best championship in all sports?

Yes. Yes. Master's the greatest event in the world. There's nothing else even close to it. You've never gone, right? Oh, we've gone. Oh, that's right. I was there one.

I was waving my hat like a 19th. 17, you were there, yeah, yeah. I was waving my hat like in 1920s, yeah, like a 1920s, yeah, like a 1920s, yeah, when the guys would go out for the Navy. The sailors. Yep. So the ship horns going. Does it suck to go on the Sunday, though, because you're missing. Like, so I want on Thursdays and Fridays.

So I went alone. stay back. Riggs and I, because we were covering it, tweeting about it. So we gave Frankie. I was fairly new at the company. So another event where you didn't tweet at during a big game. During a big mom. That's correct. There's another indictment on Frankie's fandom.

She's another master's man. He does not like golf. But what was crazy was I was alone, so I was able to like kind of just bolt around myself. If I was with the crew, no chance I was seeing as much as I said the whole time. So you saw him win and everything? Yes. That's pretty good.

It worked out great because we were. At the time, Frankie was the only Dave's guy. He had nothing to do with forward play. It was just like Trent Daddy and myself was our first year. Right. And he had been down there. He'd been, like, in the mix with us and this and that. But that Sunday, Dave was like, you know, obviously you guys can't be in there.

You need to be tweeting, covering. We do a live stream, all that. So we gave our badges to Frankie. We're like, you just go have the best time ever. We'll see you later. And so we ended up having him on the show after. And he's like, I saw Couturet's hole in one. I saw Sergio win.

He saw everything. But that's because you were the best of him. I was Sergio Eagle on 15. Yep. Well, so now I was sitting at the grandstand on, what is that? 16. No, on the par three. What is that?

16. Yeah. So I saw Sergio's hit the flag while I'm on the 16 grandstand. But just minutes before that, I watched Coocher hit the hole in one. That was the first swing I saw on that hole was Coochard. It's crazy. Knowing you better now, I can't even. You must have been tapping people being like, could you believe what we're seeing?

I just couldn't believe it was going on. I went from A men corner to 16. I'm seeing all these shots. Couture flies one in. Sergio hits the flag. I'm like, what the fuck is happening right now? So two years ago I went for the first time. And the way we walk through, you go and you wind up at 13 green.

And I felt like I was walking in like a video game. I was like, is this real? Is this really happening? And there's no other experience like that. For me in sports, I was nothing close. It feels like, and Trent, I have talked about this. He and I walked down the first time we were there, we walk in together. And, you know, you're getting like, we weren't even talking to each other that much because you're so, like, we're

like, oh, my God. We're fucking accustomed. You get emotional. I hate to say, but you do. You do. And we walk down 10, which is obviously the super steep, this par 4-10th hole in your heart starting to head down towards 11. And you're kind of like, you're kind of like.

Like at that point, you can't really see that much actually from 10. Like, yeah, when you walk on to 18 green in that area, you can see like over the vista. You can see one. You can see down towards like two and seven, all that stuff. But then we were like, let's go down. Let's try to make our way towards A. And we walk our way down, 11. And we start to see.

And then there's like one point where you kind of shimmied a little left and you could see the 12th green. Right. And A main corner sitting down in there. And how tall the trees are. We said it looked like like the throne from Game of Thrones. Like back dropping the 12th hole. And we just stood there for like five minutes. It's two guys who talk for a living.

Right. It didn't say a fucking word. It's a great. And people think the no phone thing is outdated, but it's the perfect scenario for it. It's the best part because you don't, because you'd be looking your phone the whole time. First 10 minutes, you're kind of like, oh, I keep checking where my phone. It's not there. The rest of the time, it's the best experience you can have.

Yeah, because you'd be looking at your phone looking for the leaderboard. Right. Looking around or taking pictures, it's perfect. I'm trying to think, like, for me, a hockey guy, like a Stanley Cup for my hometown team or win the Masters. I think win the Masters. When the Masters. Plus you get to go back forever. For forever.

Yeah, you can play when you're 85. You go to the Champions Center with dinner with Tiger. Every year. You get that green fucking jacket? You kidding me? You can't beat it. You just get to walk around the Masters tournament every year with a green jacket on. Some of those members wear green jackets.

Have you seen that? Oh, yeah. Fuck off. There are a couple of them. They walk around with like sneakers on. Like, go fuck yourself. They walk around like gods. They're like, I got the green jacket.

If I had that jacket, man, I'd be walking around. Definitely. I mean, I don't wear pants. Definitely. What are they going to do? What about a guy like Bryson D. Chambot. You like Bryce Nishambo?

Well, I like the fact that people don't like him. I like the fact that, so, again, the master's. So it was, I think your boy, Fitzpatrick, and somebody else was paired with D. That's our Euro. Right. Yeah. Was playing with him. See, I pay attention.

It was the 13th. And so we were lined up sort of like about 80 yards out. And they were playing with D. Chambosbiltz, somebody else, Viesberger, I think. And D. Chambot. And Fitzpatrick's girlfriend, whatever family was next to where we were, he came over and started fucking bitching about how

slow Deschambeau. He was fucking bitching up a storm. And like, I like the fact that he is quirky and weird. Because everyone's the same. I mean, everyone is the same. You want everyone to be like Dustin Johnson? Right. He's fucking robots. Like DeCambo, you can see him thinking. He's fucked up. He's always, you know, going this or that, melting down. He melted down in Europe a couple of years ago. That's the one thing about that. When you turn on golf, the one thing you're looking for is a reason when you look at that leaderboard to find a guy who doesn't or isn't exactly like every other white country club guy on the leaderboard that's what you're finding a reason to do yeah and bryson like even though for a while and and we like we battle on this show about they're like he's this

comes off as like the most spoiled country co guy but he's different he makes headlines all the time he's polarizing yeah yeah right he sprits in the ball just now that we've got a normal a little bit we've warmed up to him a bit but we still well he's pretty friendly with you guys very much so now he's been great to us it was a rocky start for sure I thought he was like an annoying like like we thought it was fake i thought he was doing everything just to be the science guy like when he was spraying the ball to see how how the do the morning that's a little much yeah i'm like you don't need to do that in front of all the cameras right like you're trying to like that directly turns into a bridge stone scientist uh like commercial like that's all you're doing it for

you want a brand he we now learn that he likes to be he likes to be liked very much like he cares very much about like the way people perceive him so i thought that was all that was driving it but But then Riggs and everyone else was telling me like, no, no, he's only doing this stuff because it's what, that's allowing him to win. He had won, what, three tournaments in a row at one point? That really helped my case. Like, right when I jumped on the, on the, what are we going to call it, the Bryson bandwagon? Yeah.

Right when I jumped on it, it was after the PGA last year. And then he just won like three tournaments in the next five weeks. So it was hard to, like, argue against the fact that, yes, he's doing stuff that makes him look nerdy and scientific and it may be for his brand, but he also is doing it because is allowing him to win. So that's why I kind of like respected him in that. And then we also met him. And he was like, cool.

And anyone that, like, sucks our dick, I'll just be friends. Yeah. After the whole soul play thing, we were the first media outlet that he was like, he was like, yeah, we'll come on your show. So you give us that kind of relationship. We're going to love you. And I also do think he's genuine. Like, he is a little dorky and nerdy.

He taught me how he tried to because I still can't do it. But he taught me how to chip at the PGA championship at Bethpage. When's the day before the major? Brought me on to the driving range in front of a full crowd. Didn't work? No. I mean, it was like, who's supposed to learn in that situation? That's true.

I had no glove. I was wearing jeans. I don't even know. Like, I was just like, what the fuck's going on right now? I couldn't learn a thing. I was so nervous. What about Phil Mickelson? Phil Mickelson has a little bit of a rap of being like so calculating with the media.

See, I think he tries too hard. Yeah. I think it's just, I mean, look, I've been watching Phil forever, right? But I mean, I think it's, you know, it's almost too, it's almost too much. These videos now and the cat, enough what the fuck? We get it. You have calves. What's left to say about Phil Nicholson's the fucking cats?

Yeah, I will say. His big calves. Like, congratulations. When you're new to social media, it's not uncommon way overdue things. True. And I think he's getting a lot of feedback and people seem to like it and all that stuff. But I mean, I don't know. I mean, I feel like he's done, right? Dude, so yesterday or this past weekend, when he hit the driver out of the bush, I knew he was done. Yeah.

Like, I know it worked out. But that is a guy, and I put this in my notes that we were going to talk about, that is a guy who is now committed more to our style of our approach to golf than his. Which is like, if he sees an opportunity that is going to be better for the cameras, better for his brand, rather than a shot. that's going to work out better, he is going to do it. Like, that's what we do. I sent that video to more people than I've sent anything in my entire life. I forwarded that video of him with a driver to maybe 150 people. It was wild.

He's in the content game now. He's like the funniest thing I've ever seen. He's in the content game. He's in the right. Like, he may have just like assessed that and that was the best way to approach that job. Don't get me wrong. Phil's been doing wild shit forever. He's been the risky guy.

Made the double at fucking wing foot by pulling driver on the 70 second hole. Like that ball over him. That's been Phil for a wedge. He hit a driver out of a fucking bush. Did you hear what I just said to you? The ball came flying out. He hit a driver out of a bush. Think about it though.

That may be what I do all the time now. Like what are you going to take a wedge to it or something? Like it's a harder, it's a harder thing to make contact on. It's like a bigger surface area. Much bigger surface. To just like cruise through the bush. That is a guy who is more,

he's closer to the foreplay part of his life than he is like winning. Well, Bryson likes to say he wants to change the game with his one length irons and all this stuff. Like Phil may have just changed the game. Peter Milar. when you hear those words, Trent, you just think of class. Yep. You just think of comfortableness.

Yes. You think of walking around a golf course and looking like you know what you're doing. And that's like half the battle, right? Like, oh, that guy knows what he's doing. Just because of the way you look. Yeah, our swings don't look the part. No part of our swing. No part of what we do.

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Do you ever feel like, do you ever feel like a mystery figure? A little bit. Yeah, a little bit. I mean, it's like you have an alter ego on the social media. And it gets a little weird sometimes. But, yeah, I feel like, I feel like Link's Gems has developed its whole personality on its own. And now I've got to be, I got to be two people at one time. Link's Jim's like your character.

That's right. Yeah, John's like who you really are. I don't like knowing your real name. I know, Frankie. I know. Frankie still wishes I was just a mystery man with no face. I thought that Link's Jim's was just a camera at one point. And he had some sort of software that allowed him to put up pictures with incredible captions.

But I found out he's a real. real living person. He's a delight. He's a delight to be around. He is. He is. Well, that's kind of you. That's kind of you. I am sorry, though, to actually have to put a face to the name. Your pictures are so insane. For anyone listening, we've talked about links gems. How many times? I mean, we talk

about links gems probably every single, every single show. I mean, I get mad on this show because he doesn't have nearly enough as a million followers. You should have two million followers. Well, that's kind of you to say. And you guys have been incredibly kind to me and generous. And I know that we now have a lot of follower overlap since a good chunk of my guys have come from from your stuff.

So thank you for that. Absolutely. Trying to help you out a little bit? Every time you mention me on your pot or on your channels, I wake up in the morning and I see that I have hundreds of new followers, and I automatically assume that somebody at Barstool must have given me a shout out because otherwise there's no explanation. So it's always fun.

I appreciate that. Absolutely. So you've got incredible work. You've got 48,000 followers on Instagram. We've got 29,000 on Twitter. Weren't you originally on Twitter only? Yes. Yeah.

So it was a real stretch for me to even get on Twitter in the beginning, and my friends finally convinced me to do it. I was very much against it, which looking back is now incredibly stupid. Right. So I did Twitter at first, and we can talk about this a little bit, but Twitter lends itself to the blurbage that I like to do on my photos, the little write-ups. All the captions are-that's right. You know what I always say. That's right. Come for the photos.

Stay for the captions. Absolutely. So Instagram came later when it became obvious that people were. into the photos, which was really great to see. And so, you know, Instagram obviously lends itself more to a photo sharing platform. So I got on Instagram, I want to say maybe four or five months after I started my Twitter account. And since then, Instagram has sort of taken off past the Twitter account. So as you see there, it's now almost double what I, what I do on Twitter, which is fine. They both kind of serve different audiences, which is good. So how did you, I mean, how did you

originally get into the social media game? How did you get into, like, because you have to have been taking photos and photography has to have been a big part of your life for a long time when were you like okay i'm going to turn this into some golf social media action well so i was always a gadget guy even more so than a photo guy you know i always like the technical toys that uh that we all play with nowadays i know you got just got your drone and your new camera so you know where i'm coming from i'm a gadget guy too now absolutely so you know photography and gadgets nowadays sort of go hand in hand. So I've always sort of wanted to stay involved in that. I mean, I have a past life as a tech guy, which sort of lends itself to the same kind of thing. And I got into taking golf photos just sort of

offhand. I was playing these better courses, and I wanted to do something to memorialize them and to have them for myself. So I just started taking pictures. And it turns out that golf courses tend to photograph really well. So I took some of us sharing them on websites like Golf Club Atlas here and there, sharing them with the clubs. But I did want to do something with them, really for myself, to kind of put them out there and generate some conversation about them and have some people talk about them and just let people see like, hey, look, if you're in this area, this is a great course to play, and here are some photos of it. So I started a Twitter account. And from there, it just kind of, I certainly never intended or expected for it to turn into anything like it has

become. So it's been a really fun ride in that respect. Was Link's Jim's the original name? Yeah. So honestly, it's sort of nice to have now that it's become almost a little bit of a brand, but had I known it was going to turn into something like this, I probably would have put a little bit more thought into the name. But yes, that's the first one I came up with. I think it's perfect. It's simple. It gets right to the point. It's short. You know, that's what I was going for, but I still remember. I mean, I came up with the name as I was walking my dog around the block one night thinking like, all right, well, I got to do a Twitter account. I don't want to just put my name on it. What can I do that's both golf related and photo related? You know,

I have a tendency to call really nice golf courses gems, and I've always done that. So, you know, Lynx gems. There it is. Really good. Not a whole lot of background or market research into that name before the fact, though. It's just so easy to say. Like, so I'm a huge hockey fan, Islander fan. And I actually sent your account to many of the Islanders.

And they now, before games, will just share. They're like, you see Links Gem just put up, you know, Bayonne. And that's like, that's how they get ready for Islander games. Like, Brock Nelson's the biggest Link's Jems fan of all time. It's crazy. That's really cool to hear. It's it. These, these pictures are just so good that you can't.

I, I find myself going back and just going through your, I've seen the pictures 10 times. I just re-look at them. Yeah, because if you scroll for hours. It's even easier on Twitter, I like it more because you can click on the photos and they become like full size. Oh, on your computer. Remember when he started dabbling in those, the panoramic slide over? I mean, I know what you're doing over there. How often do you, like, do you kind of reach out, jump out, dabble in like some new stuff, like the panoramas?

like the panos. Is that always like, all my flowers are going to run out? When you debuted the panos, I dropped my phone. They came out nicer than I expected that. That worked out really well. And it's, it's sort of hilarious. But my wife, who is a big Instagram user, actually drives a lot of this stuff. I mean, I riggs bust my stones all the time about the stories. Like, I don't really know how to do Instagram stories, which is pathetic. It's on my sheet to ask you about that. It's good. We can talk about it. Maybe he's on a mission. His wife hasn't on a mission to learn how to do Instagram. That's right. So like every once in a while, I'll either see something that I like or, you know, my wife will put up a post. I'm like, it's really cool. How the hell do you have a story with music

playing and the lyrics and all that stuff? So I'll try or I'll dabble in that. The, the panos came up the same way and wouldn't you know it, but golf courses really lend themselves well to nice wide shots. And my shots are generally wider anyway. I get crap from people sometimes because, you know, the Instagram crop is a more, is a tall crop on the screen and I just ignore it and crop everything, you know, wide. So for Panos, it's perfect for me. So it worked out pretty well. Yeah. How obligated do you feel to like stick just to course photos?

Like do you like do you get, do you get pushback from your followers if you start to like put takes out there on like Tiger or anything like that? So I'm a Sixers fan. I'm from Philadelphia. So last year during the playoffs, I got a little carried away with the Sixers and threw up a picture of Joel Embed after they won a game. And the amount of shit that I got for going. off brand taught me to never ever do that again. So, you know, you'll see some pictures of my dog on golf courses. Sometimes I drag my dad with me

to golf courses, but it's pretty unlikely that you're going to see anything on my account that has to do with anything other than golf course. I can see a linksts, die hard just look like going through the feeling, oh, he got a notification, links just but no picture. And he goes, what the hell is this shit? I get shit. I get shit for it. I like that the way if you want to, like if you want to involve other parts of your life, you have to drag your people on a golf course. That's right.

Like, come on mom. Come on, dad. Like, if we're going to take a picture, we got to be on golf course. It's got to be on a golf course. Absolutely. He's like, he gets a new job. He's like some personal news and he's just holding a folder on a golf store. That's absolutely right.

It will involve golf somehow. So what's the daily routine look like with do you like schedule outpost? Because I think like the evening time is when your stuff comes out. Money hour. Yep, that's the money hour. So what's your, do you like write the captions in the morning? Do you think about them all day long? When do you, when do the captions materialize in Link's,

brain. So my daily workflow is I go to my real job every day, or most days, if I'm not playing golf. And I come home, I do my fulfill my domestic responsibilities, you know, walk the dog, take care of the wife, have some dinner, all that stuff. She goes to bed early. I post up on the couch

for a couple hours and I go through my photos. Whatever strikes my fancy on a given day or if I played around that day, I'll pull some photos and if I'm feeling creative, I'll knock the blurbs out right there. Sometimes I get writers block and it is a huge pain in the ass to come up with something interesting to say about a particular golf course on a given day.

I mean, it can really, it can really take a while sometimes. Other times it's like, got it, nailed it, done. So sometimes you're sitting there's a couch, you're like, come on, Lee's Chems. That's right. You've got to have something to say. There's something interesting here. Like, who I got to do it? That's right.

Sometimes I'll do some research, you know, I'll do a little Wikipedia reading or I'll go on golf club atlis or somewhere and do some searching, come up with some kind of interesting fact to say. And hopefully it doesn't take too long. But sometimes it takes a while. Interesting. So I notice sometimes you post, like right after you play, you can't help it. Right. And you just fire off.

That's the addiction showing through. That's right. Because you are, and I've told this story before, but the handful of times or whatever it is, six or seven times we've played together, you don't even make it home every time. You're like, I'm on the side of the road. I just edit it up and you'll start sending it just texting me photos. That's right. And the beauty of playing up here a lot is that there's always, you know, little rest stops and gas stations to pull off on the side of the road. So I know all of the easy on, easy off gas stations so that when I'm on my way home,

you know, I'll pop the card in as I go. Once they're all transferred to the iPad, I know that maybe 20 minutes into the ride, I can stop, do a little editing, throw some photos out there, you know, send him over to Riggsie if he played that day. And we'll get it going that way. People at those rest stops probably seem like, there's that guy again. What's he doing in his car? I think they probably, right. They're either used to be by now or they think that, you know, one of those guys just hanging out in rest stops doing strange things on a.

To say there's two things happening at rest house. That's right. That's right. Thanks, Jim's editing Sleepy Hollow and then there's a guy in a truck that hasn't like That's right. Has a lady of the night. That's right. He hasn't felt the warmth of the year of a woman in quite some time. Right.

So he's either trolling Craig's list for some companionship or, you know. Or he's on like Adobe Photoshop messing around with like the color lighting. That's right. Yeah. So what's your, sorry. Did you want to explain? So what's your process when you get to a golf course and like how do you, like, how do you know which holes to shoot, where to, what's the best angle? Like, are you, do you do your homework

before you get there? Like, what, what's your process? So, yeah, I try to. And a lot of it will depend on what I'm doing on a given day. I mean, a lot of my photos come out of normal rounds. You know, some of the rounds I've played with, with Rigsie would be the same way. It's just, you show up, you're playing golf, and the photos are sort of a byproduct of the round of golf. So if I'm playing at noon, I'm playing at noon, and the photos will, will come from, from that time period. Sometimes if I'm going to a course specifically to shoot, I will try to plan it out a little bit better. I like to shoot, obviously, early in the mornings, late at night, when the light is better.

In a perfect world, if I'm really trying to shoot up a golf course, or if I'm there because the course is asking me to come to shoot photos for them, or on some occasions hiring me to do that, I will sketch out the whole day. And I always like to play the golf course first, because I feel like in order to get interesting, compelling photos of a course, you need to have played the golf course. You need to know what the signature holes are. You need to know what the really the best shots of the day are, where the interesting angles are, how the course generally gets played by most people. And I think those kinds of things can help you figure out what the compelling aspects of a golf course.

Because otherwise, you're just out there shooting landscape photos. And they'll look pretty, but they won't really say much about the course. At least that's how I try to approach it. When you are playing, and, you know, again, I've been able to witness this a little bit, but how do you find it to be a burden at all to take photos throughout? I mean, sometimes you have like a little fanny pack. So just talk a little bit about like what you, you know, what your actual process and sort of mindset is during around because I think a lot of people

when they look at your photos probably think like, man, I want to start trying to take more photos. And you and I, you know that you and I both get this of people. We tell them what cameras are used. People go buy it. And then they're like, I want to take my own photos. So just talk a little bit about like, okay, what is your? approach, how often are you trying to be like I'm fully committed and in the round and engaging

my playing partners, but also I'm going to like, you might not see me for 10 minutes. I'm going to be over in the fucking weeds and in the trees taking photo. Sure. So part of that depends on what course I'm playing. I mean, if I'm playing a new course for the first time, it's really pretty and I don't have any photos of it, I'm going to want to take more than I normally would. For a course that I've shot many times before, like Sleepy Hollow, the last round we played, I'll take less and I'll be focused on specific things. But I will tell you this. I mean, I've done this now so much that it is really become second nature. I mean, there's nothing that prevents me from playing around a golf and feeling completely engaged in it and also taking photos.

Now, there is a difference between taking thousands of photos during a round that I might do if I was there just to shoot or if I was playing a new place. The first time I played Cypress Point, I took a million photos during the round. I didn't know if I'd ever be back, and it was just spectacular. So the camera comes out and it fires for the entire round. the round of golf is almost, I don't want to say secondary to that, but it's six of one, half dozen of the other. But really, it just comes with practice. You know, I mean, it's like anything else with golf. I'm so used to it now that it really doesn't interfere at all. And there are sometimes where if I'm playing somewhere and I'm not at least thinking about

shooting a photo here or there, it almost feels weird. So it's really just like anything else. It's practice, you know, that Malcolm Gladwell 10,000 hours thing. I mean, I've been shooting photos of golf courses for a hell of a lot longer than that now. So it just, just kind of, it's, it's a process now that is almost like autopilot. I will say, I've noticed now that I take, and again, I mean, I'm nowhere near. I want to get into this later too, but I'm nowhere near. I'm actually getting embarrassed when I send you photos. I'm like, I just feel like you're looking at it going like, he went with that angle or like, does he know if you waited 10 minutes for the sun? How much better that? I think about that. But I also have noticed now that I'm, I love taking photos that, like,

Any even like remotely beautiful or compelling shot that I see in real life, I feel like if I don't take a picture of it, I'm like rattled the rest of the day. Sure. Missed it. Sure. So how much of you, like can you even go through your daily life now without like if you know, if you see something beautiful, like I have to take a picture of that? It's funny that you say that I was just up in Maine with my wife and I said the same thing to her.

It's like you, you shoot photos as much as I do and we do now. And it's almost like you can't. can't help but look around and see things that would make a great photo. You know, you, you, you happen to look at a certain landscape and it's like, wow, I really wish I had my nice camera. And it can get a little strange and a little uncomfortable sometimes, to be honest with you. It's just, it's weird that you're constantly seeing those kinds of things. So I completely take your point. And there are rare occasions on a golf course when for whatever reason I don't have a camera with me. And, you know, the sun comes out a certain way or a hole is looking a certain way and you're just

like, damn, I would really like to be able to to snap. that thing right now and you can't do it and that just again it sort of goes with that autopilot process I was talking about you know if something throws it off it it can be disruptive which is bizarre when you're on the course how important is it for you to take photos of just the golf course and not like people playing it because I feel very rarely do post photos of anyone it's always just the golf course I don't like people in my photos I don't like people in my photos people stink yeah I mean occasionally if I'm playing with people and I want to snap a photo somebody hitting a shot on a nice hole I will do that on purpose

but you know the shots where guys are randomly out there walking around or the group in front of us is still on the green i i hate it it's like my little my little pet peeve i can't stand seeing people in my photos how much editing goes into your photos as little as possible to be honest with you i hate editing photos i find it to be incredibly boring uh you know i shoot in jpeg not raw which a lot of uh you know i'm not a very technical photographer you know a lot of these guys who are into photos will talk for hours about the specs of their camera or about, you know, this new lens that they got, you know, is an F2.8, it is, you know, 72 millimeter zoom. And it's like, I just, I don't, I am not into that stuff at all. I like, I try to take a photo that captures what I see on a course.

And the equipment is a way to do that, but it's not really the, the motivation behind it. I mean, I'm into the gear, but I am not that into the technical specs of it. So, you know, it's the same goes for editing. I do everything on this pad right here, this iPad Pro that I use. I don't use a computer in my workflow. I certainly like to crop my photos to get it, you know, the frame to look the way I want it to. And I'll tweak some levels and some curves and some brightness. But it just, it takes far too long to edit batches upon batches of photos.

And I just, the returns you get from it are not worth the time invested. It's a lot easier to get it right in the camera so that you don't have to do any of that boring work after the fact. Have you ever, have you, like, studied photography before? No. No. Take any classes or anything? No. So how much of it do you attribute to just, like,

you just have, like, a natural vision and ability? Because, you know, like I said, like I can take photos with the same equipment and mine stink. And yours are phenomenal. I don't know that I'd agree with you that your photos stink. But, you know, the framing and you'll get like a tree in this part and the sun in this part and the lighting on that. And it's just like, holy shit, how did you see it like that?

It's nice of you to say. I do not know. and I do not really think that I would say that I have a natural talent for it, but I do have a lot of practice, and I do love golf, and I do love taking photos of golf courses, and I've taken countless photos of courses. And this is the same thing I tell people when they ask me, and I get asked a lot. You know, what can I do to take better photos? That's probably the number one question I get.

My photos stink. I was standing in the same spot that you were, on the same day that you were, took a photo, and it looks like shit. Because it sounds like they're threatening you. Yeah, why? Right. Like, what can I do? What is the secret?

Right. What can I do to get this closer to that? And the answer is really just you've got to take a lot of photos. And after you've taken them, you've got to look at them and you've got to see, well, what worked in this photo, what didn't, what looks better? Why does this photo look good? And this one stink? Is it, is the zoom different? Is the lighting different?

Why does this look like I wanted to? And this one looks like shit. And after you do that, dozens of times, you will start to realize in the moment, you know, this could be a really nice shot. but if I walked 50 steps over here and caught the light coming in this way, it will look how I wanted to look. And I think that's really the, you know, to the extent there is a secret, I think that's probably it. Most guys have tried different ways to last longer, but thinking about baseball doesn't always work. Baseball, saying the Pledge of Allegiance, I famously once said I think about glaciers to last longer. It doesn't totally work.

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Our good friend Matthew Fitzpatrick is in studio in New York. First impressions of the barstool office. Mixed reviews. Okay. Looks nice and clean, you know, brand new. But, I mean, there's some Instagram stories that I saw a couple of things. Broken door handle and a rat. To the rat.

You just say a giant fucking rat. It was a big rat. It sent people scattering in the lobby. Yeah, it looked aggressive. I'm not going to lie. So you're all nervous. You're like, I'm going to go to like barstool tomorrow. Probably be pretty fun.

Whatever you look on Instagram, you just see a giant. Yeah, yeah. Me walking to work today, I had my head on a swivel this morning. Oh, me too, man. I made sure that, like, I was ready for battle if one was going to pop out of, like, the ceiling or something. For everybody who doesn't know yesterday morning, all of a sudden, this video goes out on Twitter from a bunch of our employees that some guy in the lobby while he was waiting for the elevator, a giant rat that looked more like a squirrel just jumped on him. Yeah. Yeah, it wasn't just running on the floor.

It just jumped on his person. Oh, my God. Yeah. So, you know, it's New York. That's New York City, I feel like, you know. If you don't get a close encounter with a rat, did you ever really move here or live here? So, you know, it's not too bad. So, you know, the first time and probably the reason that you're here was we're at the PJ Championship.

You walk right by us. We're making a little video. We're kind of doing our thing. We're in the mix. And Frankie, right after you walk by, of course, like, after you're out of earshot just gives, like, I think that might be the only guy in the world that I could beat up. Yeah. So, you know, what did you? Like, your buddies tag you in that?

Your buddies send that to you? How did you figure out that that happened? Yeah. I think someone sent it to me. And then they were like, oh. this guy's calling you out i was like all right okay and then i saw it and then obviously the u.s open comes around a few months later and um i was like yeah you see those guys over there uh that guy he uh he called me out he said he could beat me up and then in which my caddy billy um yeah he

he sort of uh yeah he went and asked for an apology oh yeah i thought i was gonna be taken out to the cottage or something like he put his arm around he's like let's go for a walk i'm like oh man what could this be about and i saw you at the other end of the range. I'm like, oh, shit. No, it was good, though. I mean, that just goes to show that, like, you're in on the joke and you know,

you know what we do here at Barcel, which is hilarious. Because, obviously, like, number one, I can't beat you up because I'm just a small little twink. And number two, I mean, I can't do anything. And number two is just, like, when we're making jokes and stuff like that, instead of, like, taking it the wrong way, you're just, like, laughing it off. And you're, like, you're getting in the mix.

And that's why, like, now you're our boy. Like, that's it. There's, like, one or two ways to go about that joke, and you just took the better road. That's hilarious. So Northwestern, we talked about it a little bit when you were on radio, but I don't know that our podcast listeners got to hear about it. Ryan Whitney actually brought it up of, you know,

the great story of you, you know, you come over, you're obviously an English guy, you get recruited, you go play golf in Northwestern. Your Wikipedia thing says that he left after one quarter in January 2014 to pursue a full-time, you know, golf career. You know, what happened? What's... The school was so hard.

The academic was really, really tough. School just sucks. Northwestern especially, that's a hard school. Yeah, yeah. It's a really hard school. Yeah, I mean, parents wanted me to go get a degree, something to fall back on if the golf didn't work out. And Pat Goss and David Ingalls, the coaches, they're great coaches.

They then sort of know what they're doing. And it was a good fit in that aspect. But, yeah, I just got there and it was just so difficult. I guess long sort of short, the golf worked out. Yeah, yeah. You showed your pants in your face, mom and dad. You're sitting in class. You're just like, what are we doing here?

I could be shaping a nice draw right around a fucking tree right now. Some drawing triangular fucking... You don't even know. I can't even think of a scholastic term. That's how bad it's... The academics are so far from your brain. You can't even think of a funny example. Couldn't even think of a word.

You're better off. You're better off. I mean, Riggs went to Harvard. We didn't go to those type schools, but I don't remember anything that happened there. I mean, I remember nothing, Trent. I was just there to get a piece of paper and get out of it. It's four years of my life.

I took like three years of Spanish. Can't tell you one sentence. Where did you guys go? I didn't retain anything. I went to a community college on Long Island. I went to a small school in Cedar Rapids, Iowa. It's just in the home of the John Deere. There we go.

What do you think of the John Deer Classic? I mean, you know, be open. It's just always, it's always clashed with the European, I think, well, yeah, just before the open. Yes, I mean, you would never play in that tournament, right? Just never. I mean, I'm never going to say never, but like it's just. We're taking that as a commitment for next year.

Matthew Fitzpatrick is going to be at the John Deere class. John Deere's going to announce it, put it on their Twitter account. This is great. Your social is going to be all fired. What again. That's beautiful. Never say never. That's what they get a tractor named after you.

You could just say it. You would just never, ever under any circumstances playing that table. I mean, it just doesn't work out. Like, the week before. the Open, why would I go to America to fly back? It's a great point. It's a great tournament. Feel free to give it some thought.

Hey, my friends go all the time. They say it's pretty good. Your classic tagline should be never say never for the top 50 players. Never say never. That's great. So let's talk about 2013. I mean, you know, you have, you finished low amateur at the open. Then you've got a lot of confidence.

You're going into a massive tournament like the U.S. Amateur. How much confidence you have going into that? Yeah, I would say a lot of the time. I lost in the final of the English Amateur as well that summer, and I was playing really well. And the US Amateur is a little different. I'm going to be honest, I had no idea how big a deal it was.

Like, really did have no idea. I mean, I remember winning the semi-final, and Nobigh was like, you're going to get an invite to the Masters now, and I was like, oh, really? like genuinely didn't have a clue like yeah that was part of it so um yeah kind of I think that probably helped a lot in the fact that you know if I if I was going now and realize what was on on the line I'd be like she I got play well basically yeah because you're probably like that's great man yeah yeah I get to go masters what yeah yeah yeah yeah

the actual master yeah yeah yeah yeah like a gust of no it basically it was basically like that And I just remember, I remember him saying, like, I felt like you didn't know that was like, not a clue. Genuinely, I had no idea. So, you know, you finished T4 this past week. Brooks Kebka wins. You're the 27th, I believe, ranked player in the world right now. What is the difference between your game, Brooks Kebka's game? And is that, in your mind, like, are you close enough?

Can you get there? Can you be the number one ranked player in the world? Yeah, I mean, don't be wrong. Like, Luke, I know Luke well. and Luke's Donald's done it. Obviously that was a couple years of unbelievable iron play,

unbelievable putting. But like my putting's normally been my strong suit, but this year it's let me down quite a bit. Like looking at last week in particular, I probably hit it, I think statistically I hit it as well as Brooks, but I just didn't put as well as well as him.

Right. And I think it is, It is going to be tough for me because, you know, take the USPGA golf course. I never sort of chance, you know, it's so, so long. That's the Kevin Kisner, what he just said. Yeah, well, yeah, exactly. To ask you go, what is that, Bethpage? I got no change.

Yeah, yeah, well, that's the thing, you know, there's going to be certain golf courses that just don't set up for me, whether that's majors or WGCs. But then at the same time, you know, I'm delighted they've moved to Memphis because that's the first time I played it last week, and it was great. Although, like, Tuesday I got there and it was really windy. The course was soaked. Like, they had a storm, and I was hitting, like, long-ironed into pretty much every hole.

And I got there, and I just thought, I have absolutely no chance this week. Like, genuinely, no chance. And then the weather was really good, and it dried it out considerably. And then all of a sudden it was, like, actually, you go plan your way around. And that was back up my street again. So was there any thought? to being like, okay, I'm going to try to just get longer. Yeah, definitely.

There's always the struggle between, well, if you're really good now, you try to get longer and you mess up what you currently got, then maybe in two years you'll just be back trying to find what you have. Yeah, that's always the concern. Like, we, I've added, like, I added an inch to my driver at the end of last year. That gave me seven yards. And then I'm trying to drive a next week, which is like two inches longer. so that you know on paper it should be 14 so you know we're getting there yeah yeah

exactly exactly driver's just twice as big as he said that I just saw I just trust me at work on Trent's laptop I saw I'm typing how long can a driver so there's that but I am I did a little bit of work with like a bi-mechanist earlier this year just before these BGA and about, you know, forces and speed and stuff like that. And he got me probably four miles an hour club at speed, which is, you know, equates to 10 yards. Wow.

Yeah, because, I mean, Rory's not much bigger than you are. No, I would say I'm as tall as Rory, yeah. Yeah. But I mean, he's a unit. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, I'm always just curious. So when you add an inch or a couple inches, I mean, how much does that, how much tweaking and practice does that take to, like, keep the, the consistency and the accuracy without that was that was a strange thing because I did some

testing in Hong Kong with it I didn't put it in play but I was hitting it and it was it was seven yards further every time but the dispersion was pretty pretty similar so I was like this this could be something good and then I just went for it put it in um as soon as the season finished and it's been being great ever since really and is there any you know for us right like I can go on the range I can hit 20 drivers in a row and like the last 15 will be pretty damn good because I get in a groove, I go out on the golf course and like nothing changed. Yeah. How different is it from taking it in the test facility, like you said,

where the dispersion's good to now you're on on the golf course? Was there any difference or were you like pretty much just as accurate? Yeah, it was pretty much the same, really. I think like my accuracy this year is probably the same percentage as it was last year, just seven yards further, which is obviously huge. But I do a lot of stuff like on the range trying to say. stimulate, you know, wrong course conditions. So if there's...

Tell us about that. We've got to figure that out. Okay. If there's like, you know, there's 20 flags out there at different yard, you know, you just try and create a fair way and be like, okay, well, I'm going to hit one between there, one between there, one between there, and just keep it, I just keep a running, like running tally, basically of your numbers or your percentage, whatever? Yeah, basically.

Because we're just like, hit the range. Yeah. Just like, get it up in the air. Correct. Get it in the air. Actually, just make it sound good. Yeah. Like, the guy to my left, I want him to feel like it sounds.

That sounds like he's hitting it. I want the guy to be addressing his ball and then lift up his head and like, ooh, that's something great. Yeah, that sounds great. You're flushing it then. You know, like, meanwhile, you hear like a tree. Like, who is that? Yeah, that's so true. You know what blows my mind when we talk to these pro golfers.

He's like, yeah, they added four miles an hour to my swing. Like, how is your swing able to be so consistent and so like you can add four miles an hour and know that you're adding that to your swing? Like, I, like, I can't even compute that in my head. I can't, I can't fathom being able to, like, have so much control over your swing that you know. Like, you, you'd be able to tell the difference between adding four miles an hour. Oh, I mean, I can't feel four miles and out like, oh, that was, that was faster. But, like, the move that he had me making in my swing, like, gave me the extra speed, basically. So if I feel like I do X and Y, then it'll give me, or I'd like to think it would give me a little bit extra speed, basically.

Okay. But it's not a feeling of, like, man, I see. swung out of my shoes there. Kind of. Yeah, that kind of is for me still. Like, you know, take Rory Brooks, whatever, one 20 miles an hour. They're probably doing that. I mean, Cameron Champ, for example, he looks like he's just tapping it every time.

And it's going 123 mile an hour. But like, for me, if I'm going to try to get extra, I've still got to feel like I'm swinging pretty fast. So if you're playing a course out there, that's just like. a long course or like on Tuesday at Memphis where it's windy and wet. Do you just feel like you're swinging out of your shoes on every swing? I mean, not so much there.

I still try and keep it straight. Like I'd rather be straight and short than trying to go long and crooked, basically. Smart. But it depends on the courses. There's been a couple of played this year. Memorial was one. There was a few holes that are a little wider.

And I could just sort of try this move. basically and get a little bit more out of it. It's very relatable to be like, yeah, I got like a new move. Yeah, because we do that every time we play. No, no, I got, I watch this YouTube video. I'm back now. Right, yeah, yeah. My good friend from home, like, I mean, I don't think he'll listen to this,

but I'll tell him that I'll give him a shout out. But there's a video you can find it on the internet. And it's just of him duff in a chip, basically. But it kind of went all over the golf world. Really? But yeah, yeah. And so he's got a little bit of the yibs. But basically every every, every week, he wants to grab a drink. You guys need to stay away from each other. Ship was anonymous.

Every single week, he's like, I'm back. Like, I've got it. I've figured it out. I'm back. I'm like, I'm going to, I'll take you down next weekend. And I'm like, you're not. He's like, no, no, no, I had a lesson. I'm back. Like, this is what I'm doing. I was like. That is such perfect crazy. I text my brother that all time. Yeah. Like, how's your game? Like, dude, I went to the range.

I'm back. I'm back. Yeah. It's true. I know that 91 that I posted last weekend. You saw that out of my gym, but I'm back. I got this new thing. So what's, you know, you're obviously a big European tour guy.

What's the biggest differences between the European tour and the PGA tour? There's a lot. Yeah, there's a lot. We don't get a car every week, which is a nice bonus on the PGA tour. Yeah. But I would say the places we go in Europe, They're probably a little bit more excited. Yeah.

You know, there's, I've played a few, few tournaments. You just kind of in the middle of, not nowhere, but there's nothing really to do. Do you enjoy that, or is it? I don't mind it personally. I know a lot of the European guys don't like that because they like to go out and just have a look around. But I generally couldn't care less because it's like I'm not there to be a tourist. You're there to play golf. Yeah.

Right. So even like if you do go to an account. exciting place you're like i'm not necessarily going out and exploring i'm like going to the golf course yeah exactly yeah there's a handful of places where i'll actually have a look around and like you know i'll have a look around hong kong right switzerland is always a nice town um nice little plug there for your yeah absolutely absolutely um where else do we go this is cool when you play like a really cool place like switzerland i mean is that like is that just overall a tournament then since it's kind of beautiful and a really cool place that you'll put extra weight on when you're making your

schedule or is it just pure like money dollars no no I mean it's like for me picking tournaments is there's a number of reasons the main reason I tried to do it is like what suits me best you know what what flow is the best in terms of two weeks on one off or three weeks on two off whatever it may be I'm not the person that wants to play like seven in a row and just grind it out because that's just miserable. But like, you know, obviously that place suits me very well. Where else suits me very well. Like, I love Bay Hill, obviously.

Do you have kind of a formula like a two weeks on, one week off or three out of four? No, I mean, I don't like playing four in a row. Okay. Unfortunately, at the end of the year, kind of have to do some time, or in previous years I've had to, just because like it's the there's nothing else to play in so you may as well play

but I'd rather in an ideal world it'd be like two on two off two on two off two off two on two off gotcha you like to get a little groove for a couple weeks yeah basically who's your who's your best buddy out on

on the pro circuit probably I'm very good friends with Martin Kimer okay yeah he's a good guy yeah he's a guy that actually was going to use as an example of kind of tweaking his swing because he wanted to find the draw and win it at guson and then next thing you know he's trying to find what he had back yeah yeah he's um i think he's playing he's playing a lot better um i spoke to him um you know a little bit about what he did and everything but i mean you just forget how

like he won the players the u s open and the us pjay right he's that those are three of the the biggest you can basically win so he won the us open about what nine shots or something crazy Exactly. So, yeah, he's someone that I always think is great to speak to for advice on everything, basically. So he, I mean, he comes off, you know, like this German machine when he plays golf. Well, yeah, he is. Yeah. Is he, like, sneaky, funny or sarcastic?

Or is he pretty, like, straightforward? What do you know about him that we don't know? That would be unfair for me to tell you. We tried. We tried. I'll absolutely tell you. his fucking story. No,

he's just a, he's just a, he's a really, really nice guy, like very genuine, very down to earth. You know, for someone who's obviously done so much, you know, the money's not changed him one bit. That's awesome. Don't be wrong, I didn't know him from growing up,

but when I started hanging out with him a little bit more, you know, to be able to do that with two-time major winner and actually pick his brain and talk to him about stuff. It's like, for me, it's pretty cool because I've watched him. Growing up, I watched him win the USPGA. I was it played the US Open one. Yeah, it's pretty cool.

So you played your first Ryder Cup, 2016? Yeah. A little bit of an eye roll from you there. Obviously, you would have liked things to have gone better. I mean, going into that, where you just not feel in your game? No, I qualified for the team outright. I wasn't picked. Which is hard to do.

Yeah, yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely. I mean, I missed out on qualifying last time. But, yeah, I was just disappointed. Like, everyone knows this, so it's not like a new thing. But I was just disappointed. I didn't play more.

Right, right. You know, I qualified outright. I was playing pretty solid. I had a couple of good finishes, I think, just only a few weeks prior. and yeah i didn't i didn't play till um saturday saturday morning that's what was shocking to me and i was going to ask like and i play and it was foursums it's like i basically hit 20 shots right so it seems crazy to me that you wouldn't want to get somebody you know your first time and all that day one get them out there yeah i i think i think that's i'm me personally i you know i know going

forward, obviously it might not always be the case in my next one or whatever it is, but I've got to play, you've got to play a four ball match, you know, you've got to play your own ball, just play it out, see, you know, see how it feels and everything like that. Because, I mean, I was, obviously, foursomes, it's alternate shot, and I mean, I just never got into any rhythm whatsoever. Right. You know, I didn't know what was what, basically. And you can play practice rounds and stuff, but, I mean, it's a different animal

once you're out there. Yeah, especially when it's something that big. And I know even talking about it, obviously, you know, you're trying to be Mr. positive and it's the, you know, it's your European squad and nobody. But naturally, anybody who's competitive would want to be like, no, I fucking want to be out there. No doubt about that. Give me the ball.

Yeah. You cannot, the other guys on the team I know, you know, that didn't, they played as much as me, they'll tell you the same thing, you know. It's just, it was disappointing. We all had good gears. All played really well, playing well. leading up to it and just never, yeah, just never really. And, I mean, having one of, you know, the US Ammoner, like, clearly you can, you can play match.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, no, I mean, the singles game I played against Zach, I mean, you just hold the world. Like, you made everything. Every single put. And then, Damon was just doing. What are you shaking your head? Nothing. What are you shaking your head at, nothing?

Nothing. Nothing. I'm just listening. It's Trent. I'm listening to. I love Zach. And that's one, Zach is like the nicest guy. He afterwards, he was like, came to my friends and he was like,

your friends, he's a great guy. Like, he'll do well in the game and stuff like that. And that was, you know, that was nice for me to hear, even though he just pumped me. I was going to say, easy to say, what was it, four and three? Yeah, yeah, no, love that guy. I'll play against him anytime. Yeah, basically, now look at it. It was probably that.

That's great. How, you know, how important is it for you to get on that team next year? Yeah, it's definitely a goal. You know, my schedule will probably revolve around trying to make points early doors to sort of make on, I mean, I don't think the point starts literally soon. I want to say probably four or five weeks, I guess. And you're going to pay, you know, you pay a lot of attention to that. Like, where am I in the writer? Yeah, like that was the issue with the first year as well, making the team.

I was getting pretty worked up about making the team, which is only natural. I've watched it growing up and wanted to be part of it. And yeah, I was definitely sort of stressing about it when I didn't need to. And then it's kind of happened, did it. And I was like, I don't need to worry about that. You know, if I play well, yeah, if I play well, I should make the team. Yeah, I remember when Bobba Watson, when he lost in 2010 to your boy, Martin Kimer,

at whistling and he lost in a playoff. Everyone's like, are you devastated? He's like, I just found out I qualified for the Rider Cup team. He was like, I'm jacked up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, absolutely. I mean, it's, to be part of it and everything that comes with it is awesome to be like that team.

How tight, you know, are you still with a lot of those guys? I mean, did that kind of catapult you into this friendship group with the European, you know, team? Or were you already there? No, I'll probably say a little bit, yeah. Yeah, definitely. Yeah, you know, probably from that. I've become good friends with Rory, become good friends with Sergio. I mean, a lot of the guys on the team as well, I kind of knew a little bit before,

but it's just that it's probably more feeling comfortable with them. You pick up a couple phone numbers you didn't have before. Yeah, that's true. A little group text going on. Yeah, group text died out, though, pretty fast. I'm sure. It was like, Henning Stenson left, Justin Rose left, Rory Mcorre left. Oh, man, that's a sad day.

And I was just there like, no. No. Come back. I miss my friends. Oh, man. That's tough. I mean, we're rooting for the U.S., but that's sad. That's just a sad thing.

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First impression is walking into Barstool Sports. I'm so happy to be here. Okay. And, yeah, I love Barstool. You guys are great. I was going to ask, because obviously, you know, you're from England. Barstool. I don't know how.

We never know how international we are if we're international at all. So what do you know about Barstool? Well, I'm constantly being tagged in, you know, videos by all my friends on Instagram, obviously. But, yeah, you know, you guys are hilarious. We appreciate that. We'll take that. That's great. No, that makes you feel really good.

I feel really good. I feel like that was personal to me, but I let you guys think. Wow, Frankie, you're so fucking funny. Yeah, you're the best. Yeah. I understand that you are a fan of the color daddy girls. I am a really big fan, yes. You're part of the daddy gang?

I am. Holy moly. Merch. I have merch. I have a degrade me sweats. No. Wow. You walk around public.

I walk around the airport, like, with that on. Holy shit. I don't know whether I should, but. No, I think that's great. I love it. I bought two of my friends, the Call Her Daddy hats for birthday gifts. Okay. I really am pushing, like, product out here.

You're in the game. So we're a podcast here, obviously, at Barstle, and they're a massive podcast here at Barcelona. And we always try and figure out, like, what appeals to you about them? Like, what is it about Call Her Daddy that, like, you know, you're like, I can't miss an episode? I think, well, the worrying part is I can relate to them. Nice.

You know, like me and Alison Lee. also another play on LPGA. We travel a lot together and a lot of the conversations they have. I think that we have as well. So it's just kind of funny to see that being put out into the world as opposed to being like under, you know, wraps, which. Right. And they're massive superstars that.

They're huge. I mean, I walk down the street. I see Degrade me shirts all over the place. It's a revolution. So Alex Cooper has Frankie. He can't go within, I don't know, 20 feet of her and he legit, his brain stops working. I can't speak. He has the yes.

I want to see this. The other day they were in an office and I opened it up. I'm like, hello, daddy girls. And they're like, they said close the door and walk away. And I was just like, okay. I mean, they're scary human beings. What was the other time? Like, they like chirped you about something on radio and your response was like, yeah.

And then I'd shove like my dick or something like that. You said something ridiculous. We were like, Frankie. I don't know what happened. Like they're like, they were like, you're trying to get your dick wet. And I was like, I'll pull my dick out right now. Yeah, that's what I was like, and everyone was like, no. I mean, it was bad.

It was a bad moment. I mean, I'm getting even hotter in this, in this sweater. I'm drinking water now. It was so out of character. It's like, the other day, I had to get them on radio and I was like, hey, Alex, this is Frankie. First off, happy birthday. And second off.

Oh, I don't know why I wrote second off, but second off. Like, I just kept writing. I was basically typing as if I was writing. And then you hit send. And she's like, what? No, I'm not. Don't ever text me again. Don't ever text me again.

I love the thought of like the 24th best player in the world walk around the airport with a degrade me. Yeah. You know, I mean, I also have matching ones. So we walk around together with them. Yeah, it's amazing. It's even better, right? It's great. Fantastic.

Well, you do that and then you come here on here and talk golf. Yeah. Which is the best of both worlds. Exactly. Speaking of golf, let's start with college. You guys were sick at UCLA. Talk about, let's start because I want to start with Matthew Fitzpatrick. Are you friends with Matthew Fitzpatrick?

I actually grew up playing a little bit golf with him. So you know him pretty well. Yeah, I do. So I hope that you had a better academic experience in college than he did. Because we had him in here like two weeks ago, and he just told the story about how he did one semester and was like, yeah, no, I didn't realize you have to, like, go to class and do academics. I'm out. No, I did actually finish my degree, which, you know, I'm very proud of. Right.

But I didn't really, I did go to class. That's what I'm supposed to say, right? I did go to class and I studied really hard. But, no, I had a really positive experience at UCLA. And really enjoyed my time that, you know, both in class and, you know, as a college student. Was it like a huge culture shift to go from, you know, where you're from to college in California? Yeah, I think when I first walked in. into my first class at UCLA.

There was like 300 people there. And I think back in England there was maybe like 20 in the biggest class that I was in. So I didn't really know what to expect. I thought I'd walked into the wrong room. And there was like kind of like a concert or something. I don't know what I thought. But I walked in there and then realized that was my class. And I was like, okay, we're really doing this, you know.

So what was the biggest difference going from college golf, amateur golf, to turning professional playing, you know, against pros. Playing for money. Playing. Yeah. Yeah. That was it. That was quite a transition.

I think the reality of when it comes to Sunday and it's not just, well, you know, I'm either in contention I'm going to win or actually, well, I still need to make this part because it does make a difference whether I finish 31st or 30 second. Right. And I think once, you know, you make that transition from amateur to professional like that. reality really sets in and the sooner you can try and dissociate yourself from that the better which is probably really hard to do yeah that will drive you insane looking at numbers of going oh yeah that puck cost me 10 grand cool great no that makes you feel really nice i definitely won't be nervous over the next one uh would you what was the first like meaningful paycheck that you got was there i would say Hawaii so Hawaii was my first event that i played when i had conditional status

my rookie year. So I didn't play in like the first four or five events because I couldn't get into them. So I qualified to play in Hawaii. It was my first event and I made the cut and finish, you know, somewhat decent like 30th around that number. And basically that tournament meant that I got into all of the events for the rest of the year. So I then managed to retain my card and you could argue that Hawaii was like kind of the reason that I got on. to the LPJ. Was there any big purchase that you made with like your first big paycheck? Um, I don't know about purchases.

Probably spent it more. Outside of collar daddy's. Yeah, tons of collar daddy merch. Yeah, yeah, totally. Just bar tabs. That's it. Yeah, just bar tabs. This one's on me.

That's a good answer. I mean. I'll say I do the same thing. I do like shoes. I just, that's what I buy. I do, I have a weakness for shoes. Really? So I do spend quite a lot money on shoes.

How many pairs of shoes you think? A lot. I travel with like seven or eight at a time, even though I'm like one or two weeks. Why do you have that many pair of shoes on a trip? Because you never know. You're wearing two pairs of shoes in the same day? You're switching halfway through the day? Possibly. Wow.

I mean, maybe. What kind of shoes? We're talking sneakers? Yes. Nice. Both. Everything. You name it.

I need a couple pairs of everything. What about how many golf shoes do you pack? Or do they like, do you meet? One. They meet you. I'm like, if these break, we have a problem. That's a great. Incredible. You should go with what if they get like soaked? What if it rains? I'm horrible. I bring like three pair.

No, foot joy, great gold shoes. Look at that. Nice plug. That was really good. That's incredible. That was a pro. No, we like foot joy. For sure. There's nothing wrong. So you get the win this year. Yes. I always like to ask going into that week or during practice rounds of that week or anything, did anything stand out as like this could be my week? Well, I played really well two weeks before in Sampron and how my best. finish and finish second and kind of hadn't didn't really have my best game and finished second so I thought to myself okay well you know if I'm not playing that great and I can still have a finish like that then when I do have my game like you know maybe we have a shot here right and then I went to

Kingsmill and had a really good start starts the week had a good first round was leading from the around and just thought to myself, okay, well, you know, if you keep leading, you know, every day and, you know, you can, you can get somewhere with it. So just focused on playing good golf and really tried to keep pushing, like throughout the whole week, made, you know, a lot of, a lot of birdies and kind of not many errors. And ultimately came out the other side of it. And it, even talking about it now, kind of feels like it went. so fast the whole week and it kind of feels surreal and like it didn't really happen. What about any crazy nerve levels on Sunday or are you pretty cool?

I felt actually pretty calm. I did take a seat on the 18th because we were waiting for the group ahead on the front of the T-box and I think people thought that I was like nervous and I was just like taking a seat, but I was just like tired. Yeah. Well, yeah, you're like I'm going to wait. When I wait, I would rather sit down. Yeah, honestly. It'd been a long week, so I just literally took a seat and, yeah, then part of the 18th and the rest is history.

You got the job done. Absolutely. So you mentioned waiting. You have any hot takes on slow play? Slow play's been... I hate slow play. I think I'm probably one of the quickest players on tour. So what do you do if you're behind or paired with a slow player? I walk like 50 yards ahead of them. To try to send a message? I don't know. I just... I hate waiting. It's painful. It sucks. I really wish that there was more that could be done.

But ultimately there's already rules in place to where you get fined or you get a penalty if you're slow and they're not really like being enforced. So I don't see what else you could do. It's tricky. We had Bryson on the show right after he became the lightning rod and everybody was calling him the slowest player in the world. and we did try to talk about it for like a half hour and in the day like it's a very difficult thing to deal with yeah i think the difficulty is that people argue okay well playing for a lot money you know like i want to make sure i got it right but i've always like thought of golfers you know more of a like authentic sport as to where like you see a shot and you just go up and you hit it like there

seems to be a lot more that people are trying to take into account, but I don't necessarily think that it makes you hit a better shot. I think that sometimes knowing all that information could actually hinder you. Well, I mean, look at, I mean, you're one. You're a really fast player. Look at Brooks Kepp because the number one of playing the world. He plays lightning fast. It's like, well, clearly taking long or isn't the recipe to play better golf. No. It's not like essential to play better golf. No. So it is annoying. It's quite frustrating. It's really annoying. Like, I think I play. I play. One time I played, it was in Toledo and I had the worst third round ever. And there was an odd number of people that made the cut.

So I was definitely like in last going into Sunday. Okay. But you did make the cut. I played on my own. I think I played in like two hours. It was amazing. And I actually shot my best round all week. And I was like, see, we can all play fast.

We can do this. Yeah. Did it become a challenge? Like I'm going to play fast. clearly paid attention because we're still having this conversation. Right. It's never ending. I think, too, who was it like Justin Rose?

I think that was who said it where he's like, at the end of the day, if they're going to nitpick all the time, like what are they going to cut off like 20 minutes, 25 minutes? Like there has to be either one drastic change or like you said, like there was really not much more they can do because they already have the things in place. I just don't see how it takes longer than five hours to play around. And like for two of, well, our last two majors, it was taking six hours. to play. Six hours is outrageous.

I mean, I have better things to be doing, like, than just playing golf. Six is preposterous. There's other things that we can do in the day. We don't have to just be on the golf course, but it's not looking likely that anything's going to change. No, it sure is. All right, we are joined by a very special guest for the third time, Mr. David Ferry. Welcome to our new studio, sir.

Yeah, yeah, congratulations. You guys are coming a long way since the last time I was here. So you might not know this, but you are in the intro of our show. I am. And you say, you know, congratulations on all that you guys are doing as mediocre as it is. Which is a great way to describe us. That's from a few years ago. So we appreciate it.

We're, you know, we're aware that you're very busy. So we appreciate you taking the time. So 68 years it's been since the Open's been in Northern Ireland. You know, how much does it mean? Let's pretend like we're ignorant Americans who don't know anything. That's not difficult. What is it? You just put that right on a platter.

Are we really pretending, right? That was the whole point, you think. Anyways. Also, we're being ignorant? Yeah. Well, yeah, we just don't know. Ignorant. We just don't know.

I know anything about it. We're looking to gain information. Correct. We're looking for information. How much does this mean to the people, to the locals, to the local community to have the tournament come back? It's huge. You know, the province has been through a lot. I was born in 1958 and grew up in what we call the Troubles.

There, you know, riots on the street roadblood. soldiers everywhere, bombs, sectarian murders. And I worked at Balmoral Golf Club, which was in the center, really, of the war zone in Belfast for a couple of years. The clubhouse was blown up, as were many clubhouses in the province, because, you know, it was just protection money. Many of these people that were involved in this strife, you know, there were just common criminals.

and you find that anywhere where there's, you know, political fighting, you'll find, you know, there's people that take advantage of the situation. There was a great deal of that in Northern Ireland. But we've come a long way in the last 20 years since the Good Friday Agreement in 1998, where there was kind of a truce. Having said that there is still an undercurrent there, you know, having been there recently and visited the Peace Wall, we have a wall in Belfast. It's about 11 kilometers long and about 80 feet high.

So, and ironically, it works. You know, so. And it's still necessary. You know, so, you know, security is a concern. But having said that, I think I can't think of a sporting event these days anywhere in the world where security isn't it concerned. Yep. Absolutely. So who would be the best hurler?

Hurler? From professional golfers. Wow. You know, I'm not sure if Padraig Harrington wasn't a hurler. There's a lot of the guys, you know, especially from the south that would have been into hurling at an earlier age. I was into hurling, but it was usually before I teed off. Yes. I understand, you know, you've done and you're going to be doing a few different pieces that will come out on, you know,

different parts of the North Irish culture and hurling was part of that. So explain a little bit more about the game because I witnessed it one time and it came to Fenway Park in the Boston area and we witnessed it and it was wild. Wild. Yeah, it's basically if you put a number of Neanderthals on a grass field with clubs, you know, that they might have used to beat a dinosaur to death with and, you know, you throw a ball into the middle of them and watch it turn into a riot. Just kind of see what happens.

Yes. That's what it looks like. It's incredibly skillful, though, and very fast. Wow. I mean, that's spot on, because I spent an entire day one time. I think it may have been last year, like, whenever the last big tournament was, that was, maybe it was last year's open. And I just remember looking up videos about, like, Europe and all these, and, like,

in different types of sports that I really don't know about. And Hurling came up. And I watched, like, an hour-long video of highlights. And I could not believe that guys don't, that there are. able to walk off that field with their legs and their hands. I mean, they're taking full swings with the heaviest clubs you've ever seen and with no regard to human life at all. No, no, and that stick, it'll slide down your opponent's stick and hit you in the knuckles.

It's insane. You know, they don't wear padding. They don't wear gloves. No. You know, and most of them have teeth. Which is remarkable to me. What is the goal? What's the goal of the sport?

Yeah, because I've watched it before and I've watched an hour and I couldn't tell you anything that I watched, but I enjoyed it. It's basically, if you, you know, a rugby post. It would be American football posts if they came all the way to the ground. You know, it's got that, and if you hit it underneath the bar and into the goal, it's three points, and if hit it over the bar, you know, like a field goal, it's one point. Okay. Yeah.

To me it's like field hockey and rugby combined. Yes. Yeah, it is. I think that's pretty accurate. Yeah, it is. It's very similar with a ball that's a little bigger than a baseball and pretty much just as hard. Yeah. Yeah.

I remember when it did come to the States, and it was in order to kind of capture, obviously, because we're several hours behind, that it was pretty early in the morning, or maybe it was, you know, late morning, but it was in the morning. I remember we were hung over as hell, woke up, turn it on.

We were just, we're like, holy shit, what it's happening to our brains right now. Well, the All-Ireland Final used to be played at a place called Croke Park, and they would put 110,000 people in there. Oh, what? Yeah, and I mean, just wild, absolutely wild.

No drinking, of course. No, no, no, no, obviously not. So Matthew Wolf, just his third professional start on the tour, wins this past weekend. How would you describe his golf swing? It looks like he's been tased by a state trooper, basically. Yeah, and what a talent. George Jenkins, I think, is his coach, a very unusual character as well. It goes very well with Matthew.

he's a force to be reckoned with, I think, in the coming years. He really is. He's very confident. He's got a great attitude. And he's just comfortable in his own space, you know, which is very fortunate because it looks pretty damn uncomfortable to me. What is? Is there anything that the average kind of weaking golf can take from his swing?

Yeah, I think they can. You know, if you make a swing that's comfortable to you and see where the ball goes, that's really the trick in golf because very few people actually ever make a comfortable swing there's always 17 minor adjustments on the down swing because you know well that doesn't feel right so people will never really pay any attention to what it does feel like you know and you make a lovely comfortable practice swing and then you know you get over the ball and everything moves except your bowels you know so you know make that nice comfortable practice swing let the ball get in the way and see where it goes you know you know you

I think you'd be very surprised. I like that because, you know, the more and more that we play, the more people that we meet, I'm getting tips from all these different people. And all I think about when I'm over the ball is what I'm supposed to do. And, like, where my hands are supposed to be. And I'm a mental nightmare now. So it's like, why not just, when I am, I mean, they're all not in their heads because they know if I played a Royal Port Rush,

it still wouldn't have any divvits because I just scooped the ball. I can play that entire 18 holes and you wouldn't ever see remnants of me ever playing once. except for maybe glass houses around that all be shattered. But yeah, I think that I'm going to start going to the range, and I'm just going to swing comfortably, and wherever that ball goes, I can make adjustments off of that. I actually thought about that last night, like, just thinking about my swing. I'm just going to start swinging freely.

Yeah, it's not the players who know where the club should be that make money. It's the players who know where the club head is. Love it. Wow. That was deep. That's a mic trap. Everybody had to think about that for a second. All right, let me play that out my head.

Ongo, gonga. Gonga, bunga. Speaking of players, you know where the club face is and should be. Tiger Woods winning the Masters, where does that rank in terms of major golf moments for you? Well, I think along with Hogan, you know, was it 49, you know, when he came back from the car accident? You know, it has to rank, I mean, it might be the greatest comeback in the history of sports. It certainly, you know, it ranks up there. When you consider what he's been through, some of it's self-inflicted, some of it not, some of

of which we did to him, is wearing him down. And with the surgeries and the physical and emotional, you know, mental injuries, you know, the whole lot, you know, for him to come back and be able to do that is just an indication of the strength of will that he has. And the only mistakes I've ever made about Tiger Woods are the times when I've underestimated him. So it wouldn't surprise me at all to see him in the shakeup.

Yeah, do you think he like his guy? game at Royal Port Rush? I like his game everywhere. Everywhere. Although he's typically not a great bad weather player, but that's me underestimating him again. When you think about Brooks Kepka, sort of this narrative coming up that he really only seems to care about the major championships. He's got, he has unbelievable finishes for the last two years in all the major championships.

And then a lot of the, you know, the regular PGA tour events, the last couple that he's played in the Travelers and the 3M Open, it's pretty nonchalant, somewhere around 50. any thought to kind of him put an extra? It happened all of a sudden with him too. You know, something clicked and, you know, it's one of those things where he just got a little bit of confidence. And it's in his character, you know, where he got it into his head, you know, that, hey, I'm really good at this. And, you know, he's stayed in that mindset. He's a tremendously strong young man and, you know, both physically and mentally.

and although it's a golf course, Royal Port Rush is that that won't particularly suit someone that hits it a very long way. You really will need to hit fairways. The rough there is mind bending in places. There are stinging nettles. There are thorns, blackberries, things that you just don't normally see on a golf course

where, I mean, you could tear your sack, you know, if you get in there deep. What was that first one? Stinging? Stinging nettle. There's some of those in Rhode Island, actually. I found myself in those things. You don't want to brush up against them.

Have you heard the expression to grasp the nettle? No. No. Well, if you grab it like that, it won't sting you. But if you brush up against it, it will because it's got these tiny little barbs that you can crush. And it's fine. Yeah. But if you hit them gently, it's not pleasant.

That all sounds horrifying. Oh, it is. Every bit of that. If you're in stinging nettles, you're fucked. Yeah. I found myself in that exact situation. What else over there is some crazy stuff that we like find? You know, they've got some big jack rapids out there,

but most of them will have left the premises because of the crowd. You know, the infrastructure, the build-out to the tournament is unlike anything. I've seen the canyon that they walk into at the last, even though the clubhouse isn't behind as it usually is at an open. It's a huge semi-circular series of bleachers. that I don't know how many people it holds. You know, I mean, I'm sure it's at least 15,000, but it'll be, you know, the atmosphere will be crackling.

And they're just so starved over there of world-class golf. I mean, this is the biggest sporting event that's ever been held on the island. You know, so, I mean, it's difficult for me to describe just how, you know, excited people are. I'm, you know, I got the hair standing up in the back of man. I'm just thinking about it, you know, I can't wait. for it. I'm very proud of it. You get me jacked out talking about it. The way you talk about your voice is super cool because you can tell how proud you are of it coming back and just what it's going to be over the next couple weeks for you, you know, I'm sure your family and friends that are back there

and how it need everybody. Very special. Yeah, very cool. So Tiger just posts a video that he's going to be, he's waking up at 1 a.m. to prepare what kind of preparation does David Farity do to get ready? Well, I take a piss about six times a night, you know, two of them in the toilet. There you go. Yeah. So getting up early doesn't bother me. I don't sleep particularly well. And I go to Scotland tonight.

So I'll be there for a week and I'll be well used to the time changed by that anyway. Yeah, what is your, and then what does your week start to look like? You know, how early are you getting up? Are you walking the course at certain times? What does your preparation look like once the week starts? Yeah. We'll be staying at Greywalls. The NBC crew is staying at Greywall.

which is the hotel right behind Muirfield Golf Club. It's about 20 minutes away from the golf course that we're playing. You know, so we're, you know, we'll have parts or members of the crew trying to sneak out there and no doubt we'll get kicked off.

It's one of the snootiest golf clubs in the world, Muirfield. But my preparation is essentially, you know, coming to see you guys. Yikes. Because, you know, my strength of have one is just describing what I see in front of me. I don't really, to be honest, with you, prepare much.

You know, my job is in real time. And, you know, it's a little nap, you know, followed out. Hopefully. You said you can't sleep very well. What does, like, David Faradie do when he's, like, lying up in bed? Do you, like, scroll your phone, you watch movies? What do you do to pass the time along? I watch live PD.

Oh, that's an incredible show. It is. It's incredible. It's astonishing the amount of douchebags our cops have to deal with. It really is. Amazing. Amazing what they have to put up with. And it gives you a tremendous sense, I think, of, you know, how lucky we are to have them.

Yeah. Isn't it insane that that's not scripted? It's just they turn a camera on. And they just jump from place to place? Yeah. Oh, yeah. We're talking about cops or is this new show? Yeah.

Yeah. Where have you been? The show I know is called Cops. No, it's like a better live version of it. There's like a better live version of it. There's like a headquarters and they'll kick it out to people live. Yeah, they're 30 feeds. Yes.

You know, go on out. You know, police departments all around the country. I don't think we'll have this on Sling TV, but we'll get a shot. Nobody has a driver's license. If they do, it's been suspended. Everybody is smoking. Yeah. And they're always on the cell phone.

Yeah. So that relaxes you when you're resting in bed to go to sleep. There are women on that show that have no business wearing spandex. No business. Yeah. It's so good. It's just so good. Yeah.

That's great. Awesome. So you are the, you know, the man of the hour who shot 202. Is that correct? Man, I'm not, Chris Nido, Michael Mays, Ryan, writer Sutcliffe. Those are the guys of the hour. They qualify, bro. I didn't, I came to laugh.

Nope, not the man of the hour, unfortunately. So, I mean, what happened? Because we're looking, you know, I was rereading. And obviously this story fucking took off everywhere. Everybody's quoting it, 202. It was originally listed as like 190-something. They changed it to 202. 194.

194 to 202. It's the USAM qualifier. You start par par par, and then I believe you made like a triple. And then the rumors are the story goes, the reports are that you're hitting all kinds of shots backwards on T-boxes, putting it around the green to shoot the highest score he possibly could. So, I mean, what's going on? What's the situation? Yeah, that's kind of crazy.

This guy, what's his name? Jill Bell? or ball, I don't know, the E or the A silent, the guy from Golf Digress, you know what I'm talking about? Yep. What's his name? Jill, Jill, Beal? I don't even know how to say his name, but anyway. I believe it's Bill.

Ball, I think the E's silent. We'll call him whatever. It's not that important to me, honestly. No, it's not. He isn't, and he's right and said shit. Fake new shit. He, yeah, he claims to have multiple sources out there on the third hole. claiming I'm playing away from the hole on my third hole today.

I hit two balls out of bounds on the third hole, made a seven. It's pretty impossible to hit away from the hole, make a seven. And how do you have, you guys know this golf course at all? Michael, it's unbelievable. It's always in great shape. You can't, how does he have multiple sources on the third hole? I'm keying off at 8 o'clock. We can I play with Christian, birdied one, I parred one.

Then we go par par. I mean, we played three holes in 18 minutes, and he's got two sources following us around. There's nobody out there. I don't know how he can claim to have two sources confirming I was hitting, you know, playing away from the hole, deliberately playing away from the hole, is what he said, particularly around the green. How do you hit two balls, they'll be make a seven and play away from the hole?

Well, around the green. So if it wasn't that hole, then at some point, were you, hitting balls away from the hole. Yeah, because I'm seeing. We'll focus on that hole. He says multiple sources told him Bill Ardello started on his third hole, deliberately missing shots, particularly around the green. I want to know at that point, it's only me and Christian out there.

There's nobody else. If you know this golf force, it's tree line, you can't see in, you can't see out. He can't have, it's impossible to have multiple sources because there's only two people on that hole. me and Christian so there's two people if nobody's watching how do you have multiple sources

all right so let's say let's say he got that hole wrong did he get all the other holes right where you were hitting it you know like what happened so we're dancing around this like you didn't like you didn't miss like 85 putts like when you started the back you go 13

19 16 19 12 14 14 10 17 okay that's just what I see online for your scorecard starting on the back. No, I think I went 13, 20, 21 or something. Okay, so what's going on here, man? Let's tell us. Like, what did you, like, hide?

Like, what happened? Like, what's going? Not high at all. I said, hiding. Like, you're like, hiding, like, what happened? You're like, well, I didn't do that on the third hole. I mean, you shot a fucking 22 on another hole. So what happened there, dude?

Well, right now there's an investigator or investigation. going on by people of why I shot that. And those are the people I'll answer that question to. To you guys, I'll say, I never hit the ball away from the hole, ever. I never hit the ball backwards. I hit the ball forward every time I try my best too, forward, maybe not straight. Let me ask this. Let me ask this.

Were you or were you not trying to shoot the highest score ever recorded? That's another thing. Let me see this guy's the name more quick. I want to make sure our girls name, whatever it is. Yeah, Brenda Romini, the girl writer from Golf Channel. You know her? No. Or maybe it's Brent something, Romini.

Anyway. You love getting the names correct. And I mean, I have some honor in that right there. There is some of that. We will not go forward until you get that name correct. Yeah. Maybe it was a guy. I don't know.

Got my picture. He's quoting Christian and saying he wanted to shoot the highest score recorded in USGA history. That is completely false. So my question is, like, I know when I go out and I shoot, like, say I shoot 88 one day or something, I know that, like, I putted terribly or, like, I hit a bad bunch of drivers. I couldn't get it in the fair way. What do you, if it's not your own, like, mental decision to play maybe poorly or not hit

the ball at the hole would you said no like what do you attest the 202 too just not have it man i just i didn't i didn't didn't have it bro see i think that's just dishonest because these quotes are saying he would chip shots and scoot his ball around on the t-box just to add strokes then he would just pipe a two iron down the middle of the fairway hit it on the green and then just scoot his ball around the green but who who's quoting that who says that so this was uh from the golf weeks this is fortis i guess who was somebody who played with you Christian. Okay, yeah, that's funny.

Because actually, Christian and I bet became pretty good friends through this because we've seen what the media will write about people. And we both know that what that guy wrote is false. All right. So what are we doing? Hold on. My question, is this some sort of social experiment that you're on? Pardon me?

Is this some sort of social experiment? Like you shot at 202, and now you're saying that everything that's written about it, it's false. No, no. The worst thing, man, for a caddy to do is be. talked about bro i did not want to be spoken of thought of anything you agreed to come on a pod lunacy dude you shot a two oh two in a usGA event why are you why did you do that and then act like everyone's talking about it you're like well where are these sources you did it like what'd you think was going to happen when you were knocking the ball around what are you like what are you

lying right if you don't want attention for it caddies don't want attention you you came on the number one golf podcast in the world crazy pills hold on but he's saying that like the quotes are inaccurate right So I just want to say like, all right, so when you shot the 20, well, I had it misquoted as a 19, I think, on your 11th hole. You shot at 22 or 23, you said? Honestly, I don't have a scorecard. All right. Well, anyway, so when on the back nine, it started, I said you went 13, 19.

You said I was wrong and you shot at 21. Like what happened when you shot at 21? Well, honestly, when I made the turn, I asked Christian, I. I go, dude, because I was, dude, I was playing so bad. I was like, dude, do you want me to keep playing? And him and I, dude, that kid is so fucking cool. That kid is a, I mean, that LaSalle University is getting an amazing player in Christian Fordus. That kid, he is cool of shit, okay?

That kid, he will not be bothered. He'll be successful. As long as he keeps his out on, he'll be successful. You got to talk to Christian. I was like, dude, because we were, dude, we fly. I play fat. Another thing happened. I never held one person up on this.

golf course. Not one single person was mad at me for my pace of play. That's another thing they wrote about. So I'm asking you this then. So if these... I'm getting there. So I make the turn. Okay. I make the turn. And when I got there late to start out the day, I look at my bag and I had 15 clubs. So I got

in the first year, like, hey, can I leave this 60 degree here? A couple extra. I go, can I leave this here? The guy's like, yeah, sure. Well, when I made the turn, I went up to the official and I'm like, hey, I'm playing so bad. I'm not going to make it like can i just take my 15th club now put it in the bag like what are the penalties going to be it's like yeah you can take it it's going to be a two-stroke penalty for the for four whole maximum so i'm like all right so i'm just going to take you know eight more strokes whatever it is whatever i'll take it so i get on 10 t and i have a driver head cover that i usually keep over my

three iron and i'm like man i'm hitting drivers so bad might as well just try my three iron because i can't hit two iron too i hit ob ob ob ob ob and uh as i pull my head cover off my three iron, I see another club in there. I got a pull card. There's a pat. So now I got 16 clubs. So now I've got to take more stroke penalties. You know, that's four strokes a hole.

So whenever they said I made on those holes, they're actually, on number two, I made a 21. So minus four, it's a 17. My number, you can only go through four holes. On number three, I took four strokes. It says 16. I really made a 12. Like, these are just.

So did they miss quote Fortis? Christian Fortis. Did they just, the golf channel just lied? They just made that up? I spoke to Christian and his father yesterday, and they believed the article that that guy wrote about me was not consistent with what he was trying to say. Or the day that we had.

Him and I, we had a great day. We had fun. Fine, but, you know, he said his quote was he started off just like normal. He was actually not a bad golf, and he had some nice shots. He had two pars, go a little downhill. Then he goes on to say after the front nine,

he just wanted to shoot the highest recorded score in USGA history. He just did not care. He was really rude to a lot of the officials too. Something was off. So I don't think Golf Channel would have just made that quote up. Now you're saying, like, we have a good relationship, all that. So did they just make that up? Or did he say that?

I think a lot of, I don't, I think Golf Channel, Golf Digest, golf, pretty much anyone writing about this made this up. Because another thing, I was never rude to an official. I'll tell you who was rude to the entire people playing behind them was the group in front of us, the threesome in front of us. We got to the hole, the fifth T. There's no water. It's 105 degrees you're walking. There's no water from halls, 2 through 5.

We get the 5T, the water cooler's empty. Do you know what the group in front of us said? Not a fucking word. They just walked away from an empty cooler in 105 degree. Now when I get there, there's no water. Okay. I'm two through five. If I don't get water at five, I know there's not water another cooler till number eight.

Two, three, four, five, six, seven eight. You want to place seven holes in the 105 degree four to heat with no water? What I did was I call the rules official to the T. He gets there. He says, what's the ruling? I said, very politely, sir, there's no ruling. There's no water in this cooler. He goes, well, that's not my job.

I'm here for rules. I said, dude, I beg to differ like there's no water in here. and can you get us some water, please. This guy's thirsty. It should have given you water. That's fire. That should have given you water. Hey, so this guy follows me the entire hole. The rule is going to follow me the entire.

He watches me play the entire hole. Supposedly I'm hitting away from the hole, right? He watches me the entire hole. Goes, drives over to the 6T. It looks like he grabs something. Comes back. He goes, here you go, bud. I got you a water.

I said, man, thank you so much. It was a half full bottle of water. water. And I said, dude, that thing's half full. Because I know, I just found it over there. I thought you'd want it. I go, bro, don't. Come on, man. You get me a half full bottle of water. What is that? It's better than nothing.

I don't know where that's been. It is better than nothing, but I'm not drinking no water that he found somewhere. So I'm going to wrap this up. I mean, I guess, you know, I will say that Fortis, you know, he did say that overall it wasn't too distracting. He added that you were funny and cracking jokes. He still agreed, however, is how the article finished, that, There are people there trying to shoot a good score and go full at it.

He said, but then there's this guy who's just kind of chipping around the course and not really giving any effort. So I guess the last question I would ask was like, you clearly were not trying to shoot a good score. In fact, like you were deliberately trying to shoot a bad score. I mean, we can all just agree on that, right? No, you can assume that from what I shot. But do you ever heard of Mike Reeser? Do you know who that is? I don't want to get on a whole other topic here.

I'm just like that's kind of the crux of issue. That's the storyline. That's the main focus, the narrative that everybody's talking. about was, okay, this 202 isn't like he just had a bad day. It's, there's two different things. There's like one guy had a bad day. He was trying to play really well. It's shot 202, and that's just the number that he posted.

Like, Trent Daddy, we love Trent Daddy because he went out, Beth Page Black, tried his hardest, shot 144. That's just his number. 202 is not your number. That's just bullshit. What your number is, is like, is way lower than that. You just were deliberately trying to shoot some outrageous number. Was he injured? No, I had no.

I was good, and I had plenty of water. It was a great day out there. you asshole you weren't injured you had plenty of water who's to say I wasn't injured and I had no water Is that what you're saying?

No man You're injured Like is that what happened I mean yeah I was not 100% That is a fact So you were still trying to shoot your best score You just had no water and we're injured

I mean dude I was injured I could not I did the best I gave 100% Okay All right Well then if that's your statement Then fine we got an answer You gave 100%

The best you could do is 202 You know what makes me, Matt? Well, that's embarrassing. I'm not just going to come out and say, hey, and plus this Christian kid, bro, he's got everyone at the tournament saying, oh, this guy's an asshole, shoot 202, this guy's, none of them know why I shot 2-2 or how. They're calling me an asshole. How is he going to sit there freshman going to college?

How is he going to say, dude, that was the coolest day ever. No, he's not going to say that. He's going to say whatever he wants to say, and be misquoted as well. But what is disgusting is that your girl, your buddy, your boy, Brandy Shambly, Brando Shambly compared my par on my 18th hole to winning World War III. The feeling I, he said the feeling I had on 18 is the same feeling those soldiers had at World War III. That is disgusting. That war just hasn't happened.

And that war just hasn't happened. You realize that. So it's like a fake feeling all the way around. You're like stealing valid from them from saying that they performed in a war. You know what, Terry, I mean, this whole thing, Trey, sorry, I mean, you've been messing up names the whole time. I just, like, can't, I can't take you seriously. I think, you know what I think? This is my opinion.

I'm not going to have anyone misquoted. I think you, like, started off, what, birdie, par, par? You had a bad hole. You hit one out of bounds, and you threw, like, a little baby fit. And, like, you just fucking couldn't handle it. You started hitting the ball around. You're, like, clearly kind of a lunatic, and you're knocking the ball around. You're, like, telling everyone they're misquoting everything.

You hit a 202. People are going to talk about it. There's misquotes all over the place. You're like complaining that people are talking about it. You hit a 202 in a USGA event. Like everyone's like, what the fuck did this guy do? Like you did something, dude. You're like, nothing happened out there.

I didn't have water. Like, you were a crazy person out there. Like, you're knocking balls around. I didn't say I was too because I didn't have water. I was, that's why the running I had with an official was no water. You know, everyone behind me got a water. But, dude, like, you understand what I'm saying? Like, something happened out there.

Like, we're not just, you're not on this show. And I told you there's an ongoing investigation from the USDA of why I did that, and I can't comment on what happened to you. If it was honest, then it shouldn't be a problem. Like, if you were injured and didn't play well, it's not a problem. So, like, you know, if that's the story, that's the story, no big deal. Like, you know, you had a broken arm or something, you couldn't play golf, you shot a 202. That happens. But if it's like something else, that's what we're trying to uncover, trying to better understand.

That's why I said, bro. You ever heard of Mike Reacher? That guy was injured. He shot a 123 and a 114 team on the PGA tour. During a PGA tour event, the guy shot 123, 114, and he was injured. But there weren't reports that he was chipping his ball around the greens to add strokes. There weren't reports of that. You're right.

You're right. So that's where to us it becomes not believable because even your playing partner was going as far as to say he was doing X, Y, and Z to shoot the highest score possible. The other guy who shot 114 and all that, the story and the reports were all incredibly consistent. He was just hurt. That's why he shot X number. Yours is not consistent. It's this, it's that, it's all over the map. You know how he got hurt?

No water. But it's not about him. It's about you. This is like the story. You know, hey, honestly, hey, and for real, though, I got home, Missica the John Deere. I got fired. I was having a golden hour Sunday,

and I fell asleep and also had a bad sunburn. Sun's very serious. Holy moly. Yeah, best of luck. Thank you.