Fore Play - Bubba Watson & Matt Every

Episode Date: November 4, 2021

Two interviews. That’s the show. We got Bubba Watson (00:06:15) in studio discussing his new book, “Up and Down,” and his simple hope that the book will help at least one other person. We discuss Bubba’s public recognition, his sideline status as a two-time Masters winner, and him “eight mile-ing” himself via the book. Then Matt Every (00:39:37) joins to discuss joining golf TV broadcasts, the ups and downs of a career, getting suspended and deciding to follow around Oasis for three months, and much more. Buckle up!You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

Hey, 4Play listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Foreplay, presented by Barstool Sports. We have a double interview show, two interviews, one show. Been a little while since we've done an interview, a couple weeks maybe, but now we're just coming back with two. You never know what the fuck you're going to get with 4Play. We got myself, Frankie, Trent, and then we get Bubba Watson, and we got Matt Everie, two completely different people, two completely different topics of discussion among the two of them.

Bubba has a book out up and down is what it's called. We get into mental health and the book and Bubba and winning the masters and going to Knicks games. And then Matt Everett just came in from surfing and is talking about how he sucks at golf now. So he's going to get into TV and how that's one of the main requirements and how he's got a good personality. He thinks he'll be great at TV. He's a two-time PJ Tour winner. so you can totally do two totally different interviews, two fantastic interviews. And I like both these guys a lot, gentlemen.

Yeah, really good mix. Having Bubba in here was, I mean, I know we do a lot of cool things with this show and on this show and because of this show. Having Bubba Watson in the building is pretty cool. Yeah, it was pretty starstruck, if we're going to be honest. We've talked to him already. But like when we talked to him was obviously over Zoom or whatever we were using at the time. And seeing him in here just being interested. away from Bubba Watson two-time Masters fucking champion was very strange to me.

Right. Like at one point we were sitting in here waiting and then it's that moment where you're like, oh man, Bubba Watson's about to walk into this room. And then he does. And he was super cool and super open. And his book, obviously, he's promoting that and he was just great. And I also think we do something, when we do a regular podcast, it's just us shooting the shit.

And I think obviously there's a crowd for that. And then when we do interviews, it's completely different. When they're in studio like that, it almost feels like a mix of. both where they just joined the conversation like bubba's we're talking about the next game last night and we were talking about him um being a georgia fan all that stuff and going to georgia like it's just different as opposed to like just being back in new york city and having people here and and and not over the zooms and over the internet and it's just so much better being able to talk to people right like didn't it feel just so much more personable this time where you're actually

able to like see him answer you and you can see if something mattered to him he would almost like closes like you're in the mix with bubba it was fucking awesome yeah and we've i mean we've obviously been doing zoom podcast for a while now and because of the pandemic and you know now we've got different people in different parts of the country but then yeah when you have somebody sitting next you it is it is different the dynamic is definitely different i agree bubba too bubble is a big name bubble's got star power you go to a pGA tour event and there's certain groups that are coming up over the next hour and a half you got groups coming up you see Bubba Watson's coming through.

You stick around for Bubba Watson. He's got that pink driver. He's got the visor with Frankie Ward during the Kevin Kisner match. He hits giant hooks. He hits huge cut shots. He's won the Masters twice. He's got the buttons all the way up to the taste. He's just Bubba fucking Watson.

Like he's got that guy, that guy will play in the Masters tournament until he dies. Like he's Bubba Watson. He's at the Champions Dinner. He's standing next to Tiger at the Champions Dinner at Augusta. I mean, he will play. play, and he talks about it in the interview, but he'll play in the Masters just to try to make Rory not win the Masters. That was awesome. That was a very funny thing for him to say. He's like, I don't want him to get that one. I want to try to stave off Roy McElroy for as long as I can.

It was just a really good interview. It was really cool to talk to him and have him in the studio. And then Matt every, you know, you'll hear, but he just came in hot, great personality, funny guy, good looking guy, as Frankie can attest to. And I think people are going to like that interviews. You said that you, you thought he was good looking. Yeah. I think that's fine. Okay.

He's got good hair. It became a focal point of the two of yours interaction. Yeah, yeah, he's a good looking dude. I mean, I'm always going to let people know that. Good looking and confident. Super confident. Yeah. I use the word cocky.

He didn't like that. I think he knows, because he knows that he's cocky. Oh. He also actually said, I hate the word cocky. I think right after you said it. And then, but then prior to that, he said, I'm good at everything. So then I said, so you're a little bit cocky. Right. He doesn't like the word cocky because people have used that word to describe him his entire life where he takes it in a way where it's like,

yeah, but you guys are saying that I'm just really, really confident, which he is. He's a very confident. Right. There's a fine line between cockiness and confident. I think when you end up succeeding and being like the thing that you always said you were going to be like he eventually did, then that's just confidence that whole time. It's earned. Right. There's a lot of guys who are cocky out there in the world and it's not earned. It was given or maybe like it was taken. Or it's delusion. Or it's delusion.

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About further ado, here is Bubba Watson. All right, folks, we're joined for the third time, I believe it is. We've been for two or three years now. We've had some great conversations, interactions, videos with Bubba Watson. Now you're coming to our show for the first time. As an author, you've got your own book out. You're doing a book tour. What's it like doing a book tour?

It's amazing, man. You know, anytime you can do a tour in New York and hit all the spots, I guess you did something well, because if you did something really bad, nobody would want you. So, yeah, no, it's fun. It's always fun. And, you know, trying to help at least one person with the book. It's helping me for sure to voice it and get it out. But hopefully we can help at least one person with the book, and then it'll be a great thing. And you're actually in studio with us in New York City.

Exactly. How's the trip around New York? I know you've been all over today. Yeah, it's been good, you know. Everybody has different questions, so it's been fun. This morning, the Today Show is, it's live and I feel weird, you know, because I don't want to mess anything up. Here, I don't care about so much.

What? That's totally fair. So, yeah, that one is a stretch. You've got to get there so early. They've got to make sure everything's lined up. And so that's the scary one always to start and something like that. What time you've got to get up to get onto the Today Show? Well, for me, it's early.

I think I got up at seven today, you know. That is early. That's early. Exactly. But, you know, I went to the Knicks game last night. So I think we're about 20. I keep saying 25, but I think we were 26 blocks away. So I walked there and walk back from the game.

And so, yeah, it was cool. It's always cool. It's always lit up and Tom Square. It's just cool because I'm not around it that much. So third quarter was a nightmare last night in the Knicks game. Yeah, but here's the thing, though. Not that I'm a coach, but he scored 18 points in the first quarter. Yep, Julius.

Yeah. And then he just. I just hung out. It's crazy. How many points in Nick's score in the third quarter? Oh, dude, they got outscore by 16 points in the third. I saw it was like 37 to 9 or something. 38 to 22 in the third quarter.

I just couldn't believe. You just threw the game away. Coming out of the locker room after halftime, you should be juiced up. Your team's 5 and 1. You're the best team in the league right now. All of a sudden you come out in the third quarter and lay a dud like that. That's insane. New York City's rocking, though, right?

Yeah, but here's the thing, though. It was, yes, it was unbelievable. But the other, it's like the air went out. other teams started hitting shots and they started missing. I mean, it just, it's kind of like my golf. It just went down quick. You're like, after four holes, you're like, what just happened? And so, yeah, it's wild.

In golf, you can see how that could happen more often than not because it's a singular guy. Isn't it always stunning to you, especially when you see a team do that, right? Like, you've got five guys on the court. Someone's got to step up at some point. Right, but, you know, I'll be dead honest with you. I saw three miscalls. And when I say miss calls, a ball went off somebody else.

and they gave it to the other team. Oh, yeah. So I saw that a couple times. I was sitting by John Starks, and so we could see it. And then when they showed on Jumbotron, you can see it again, right? And so it's how the momentum changes on a call. And that's why I love the game of golf, because it's all the same penalty. If me and you hit it in the water, it's a penalty.

There's no referee that says, hey, I think this might have been a penalty. And so that's where I chose golf over anything else because of that. But I saw that where the momentum just switched, right? Where it's like, no, that's not. And then they still gave it to the other team. Floor seats, last thing? Always. What?

Did they throw you on the jump-m-trane? No, man, there was actual celebrities there. No jumbledron show? There was actually celebrities there, so I wasn't. You would have gotten a pop. I think you would have. Spike Lee, Bubble Watson. Definitely.

Chris Rock, Tracy Morgan. Were they there? Yes, there was a couple of fighters were there, a boxer, and UFC champion who's going to be there Saturday, I guess the fight Saturday here, Madison Square Garden. And then Chris Rock, Tracy Morgan, Fat Joe. Yeah, there was. Man, then somewhere down like the M list.

I don't know if you'd go that far, but yeah. Wow. Yeah, that's funny. I don't want you guys to be fooling. Oh, sorry. We forgot you wrong here. No, no. Frankie Borelli, depending on who's playing in that stadium,

it's either the best stadium in the world or the worst arena in the world, according to Frankie. Well, I think the crowd still gets into it for sure on Knicks games. Like it gets rocking, but it's still perennial for losing. It's the most famous arena of all time for losing. Yeah, but I mean, it's most, the arena itself. I mean, just go in there, right? True. Now, if you live here, it doesn't mean as much.

But that was the first time to sit and watch a game. It was awesome. I mean, just the experience of knowing where I was. My argument, because I'm an Islanders fan and the Rangers play there, so there's a big hockey rivalry with that. And I always say that it's the most famous arena for losing. It gets a lot of this glory and lore. Meanwhile, if you think back to the last championship that's ever happened.

I mean, they had one championship in 94 for the Rangers. And before that, the Knicks, I don't even know when they won. So, like, you think of this amazing arena. I mean, they don't win anything at the garden. Yeah, but it's amazing for somebody. Yeah, like the circus that comes through. No, the team that won. Oh, yeah, the opposing team.

And Bob was right that it's amazing. Like, we're from outside of New York, so it doesn't matter. us like we go there and it's MSG that's what's great about it the theatrics are unmatched there's no doubt about it I mean I love going in Knicks games the theatrics are unmatched they just got to start winning more I mean now they say what are they saying uh bing bong we had the bingbong guys in the office here guys are starting I mean the whole crowd got into that I mean but like we I mean they missed four dunts too yeah all right uke dunks that were like right there but anyway uh bubba I'm curious how somebody even starts to write a book right your professional golfer

you've won 12 times you won the masters a couple times when do you sit down go, you know what, I'm going to start putting words to paper. I'm going to start putting pen to paper. How does that happen? Yeah, it's, you know, when in the Masters, everybody wants you to write a book, right? There's a lot of publishers, all these people come up to you, and they want you to write a book. And I'm like, I don't want to write a golf book. That's boring.

Who wants to listen to that? Where's your elbow at? Who cares? What kind of grip do you use? Overlap? No, I don't use overlap. You know, like, who cares about that? And so with me going through my, my guess, I, you know, it's.

you know, I'm going to say 15, 16, and then 17 was rock bottom. That's where it started, kind of the build up. And when I came out of that in a positive light, you know, I changed. My body obviously changed because I started gaining weight again and moving in the right direction. And then when the pandemic hit, that's when I was like, okay, I've got an idea, right? I've got this idea that I want to help somebody. I want to help people. And how do I help people?

And so now I've got a book. Now I've got an idea. Now how do I put it together? and Don Yeager is a lovely man. His family is awesome, and what he does is awesome and how he puts it all together. So me and him teamed up and spent many hours. I'm going to say, it feels like 100 hours, you know, on the phone. And he just sits and listens to me.

You know what I'm saying? He doesn't even – he just listens and tries to figure it out. And then, you know, over the course of two years, we've changed the layout of the book, but we went with the hard hitting. We went with Rock Bottom, the first chapter. to get people to understand, we mean business here. This is where my life is. It doesn't matter.

It's just my job is to play golf, but I have a lot of issues, and I need to voice them to help me, but I wanted to help other people. So that's really where it came down to is how do I, I don't want to do a book to do a book. I'm not doing a book for money. I could care less about the money of the book. I want somebody to say their life has changed. I want to cry because somebody said, you've changed my life.

And so that's what the book meant to me, and that's what it means to me. and so that's where I came from. And so getting that on paper, you know, it's just many hours of talking with somebody. Then we finally got to meet face-to-face and talked and showed him around Baghdad, showed him around Pensacola, all the things that I'm doing in the city. So he could get a version or a feel of what I'm doing. I'm not educated enough to actually put the words to paper, but my voice, to voice him out was there for sure.

So I read the excerpt of the first chapter, like you're talking about the beginning of the book. And it was, I mean, it is powerful. For you, you know, someone who's talked a lot about the public, you know, spotlight's not necessarily for you. You don't always feel comfortable. I mean, obviously you're talking to spending on the phone. You're not necessarily given a big speech with that. But was that, is that difficult to kind of reveal all those things? Truthfully, it's a great question.

But no, where I'm at now in my life, because I went through what I consider rock bottom, there was three moments, 07, somewhere around 2011-ish. and then now 17, 2017, and that's my deepest, darkest hole I've ever been in. You can see it from, not from a standpoint of I was sick, but something in my head was causing me to lose weight. I got down to 162 pounds. But for me, what I learned is talking to my wife, 17 years, marriage, 20 years together. If I can't communicate with my wife, my manly deepest, darkest secrets, and what's causing me anguish, what's causing me anxiety, in stress and causing me to lose weight, then our relationship isn't where it needs to be, and that needs to come out. So I probably shared 90% of my issues with her, and not all 100. And so for me to voice that with her, now I could see that I was, I'll call it getting healthy again, where I could put on weight and I could go and I could, it was a different day. I was smiling.

I had the energy to do things. And with that being said, now that goes, oh, now I should share with my best friend. and now I should share with my team. Now I should share with the world. So now it's easy. It's freeing for me. It's literally freeing for me where I want to help people. Now I have a different attitudes on it and a different attitude of media. Media scared me, right? Media, I talk about that a little bit. Media scared me. Every time I talked, somebody in there would twist my words or make me look negative or make me look like I'm a bad person. And I was like, wait, hold on a second. That's not me. why are you writing this i never focused on the hundred good things always focused on the two

negatives and so now that it's freeing you can't make fun of me if i could tell you my flaws right how are you going to make fun of me i've already told you my flaws it's kind of like it's kind of like you never thought we'd talk about m and m today but emm i was about to say a mile yes i went to i went to xm radio today but i but i uh shade shade 45 so i took a picture with with you know the the studio where they shoot that but anyway so i was thinking about that with eight mile and that's where like hey if I make fun of myself you got no room to make fun of me I've already I'm already doing it so like me and you're you got nothing on me you got no ammo and that's really what happened right mile same thing and so so that's really what it is it's like now I'm just like you know

what I'm here this is me you already know my flaws I button up my shirt because I don't want you to see how hairy I am you know what I'm saying so like we're good now I'm in the right direction I'm trying to do the right things I'm the husband I need to be I'm the dad I'm trying to be the dead I need to Um, those kids, oh man, they get fiery. But, um, that's a different book. But, um, and so for me, yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm, my whole goal was to help. If it's somebody in this room, if it's not just me, it's somebody in this room or somebody outside this room. I mean, that's, that's, that's, that's, it's freeing to be able to talk about my issues, my flaws or whatever. Totally, man. That, that's, it's moving because I think we all, no matter what, and even a lot of

people probably feel, uh, whether it's embarrassed or too, you know, like, too manly, like, saying to be able to speak about these things, but I think we all deal with it on some level, especially us on the internet. Like when you said there's a hundred good things and two bad things and you would dive into the deep thing, the bad things, I'm the same way, right? Like we can get a million good comments about how good we're doing and how much people love the podcast. But then there's one guy that says like, oh, you have a feminine forehead and you're a fucking

asshole. And I'll look at it. And I'll be like, all right, like, what's this guy about? Let me see where this. And I'm like looking everything about these trolls in the internet. So it is really good that we have someone in the spotlight in our game. that now I can look to you and be like, all right, if I was doing it, I should kind of take the same strides that you did. So it's pretty cool that you're doing this, man. It's awesome.

Yeah, and I think as athletes, we have the platform, right? We have the microphone. But what we're finding out is what we're going to find out is police officers, military, doctors, nurses. I mean, you know, it's a struggle in our world right now. And I think there's a lot more mental problems going on. We just happen to be the platform that we start voicing it, so people will start understanding or doing the research to figure out how to help me. you or somebody else. And then one thing about that on social media, being able to hide behind it and not say your real name and where you live, that may, I mean, you're like, do whatever I want.

Say whatever you want. And it's just like, no. It's crazy. No accountability. Yeah. Across the platforms, right? So like, on our website, it's all anonymous, right? Like, so they can make any name.

They can write whatever they want. But then on like Instagram, you could tell that it's there, it's more linked to their actual person. You won't get as much negative comments. because you can see their name, you can see their family and stuff like that. It is amazing. You go, yeah, and then if you go even further,

you go to Facebook where it is their name. It's all nice as people in the world. Yeah. Because they're not emboldened by anonymity. It's a crazy world we live in, man. But you got to be able to just take it in stride and learn and learn how to deal with it. And just like you're saying, put it all out there. And at the end of the day, you are who you are and you just got to move forward.

You know what I mean? Right. Every day take that one step forward. And, you know, the people around you, you're going to have five, three to five great friends that you can truly talk to. and hopefully one of those is either going to be your wife or your husband. And so for me and my wife, you know, now we're at a communication level that we're actually won and we can grow. And then my people around me, I mean, we're sharing now.

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guys go into coming up with the puns the golf puns up and down i love it well yeah but that's that's that's real that was really it it's and i mean but truly because it's the up and down's i mean it is it's one of those things that there were so many different names i wanted to do and all these things but up and down just it made the most dumb how many names did you have in mind that you went through Well, I mean, I'm selfish, as I, as I noticed in my life. I'm very selfish. Sure. And so I wanted to just say Bubba Watson.

Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, or maybe even, you know, act like I'm really awesome and just put Bubba, you know? So, you know what I'm saying? Like that's where, you know, that's the selfish part of me coming up. That's the part of the part of my work on. I like up and down. I also, we like the victories and struggles in the course of life. You throw a lot of golf puns in there.

You know, it's very thoughtful. It's very witty and it's also very impactful. So. But if you look at it, it was trying to get the golf people. to read it, right? Totally, exactly. It's going to be about golf. And then you get the other people to read it.

It's not just about golf, right? And so you're trying to impact a lot of people, golf fans or non-golf fans. You look good on the cover too, man. You look healthy. You look happy. Right, exactly. It's awesome, man. Yeah, no, it was good.

It was a fun time and still a fun time, right? Because we're still talking about it. And I get to... So now is the fun time. Everyone's going to be able to enjoy it. Everyone's got to go out and get up and down. Where are we selling this thing? Where can people find it?

Bookstores, man. Or we go to Amazon. You go to Bubba Watson. You're everywhere, then. I mean, we're everywhere, man. Bubba's just like, he's a five tool player over here. Absolute five tool player. So when the book about Tiger Woods came out, you'd love this, Bob, a few years ago by Armicottayan,

and it was the whole biography about them. And we were talking about the book on the show for, you know, an hour and a half. We did a deep dive. And then we just started getting all these messages from people that are like, hey, that book about Tiger, you guys talk about, What's the name of that book? And we got like, I don't know, 50 of them. People are like, what's the name of that book?

And we now, for whatever it's been two or three years, we have a longstanding joke of the name of the book is just Tiger Woods. That's just the name of the book. That's right. You actually may have dodged a bullet by not naming it Bubba because then you would have found yourself in this similar situation. Like, oh yeah, we like that in Tiger Woods book.

What's the name of it? Tiger Woods. Yeah, they just named it Tiger Woods. Is that what the net? I don't read books, man. It's like who's on first. But, I listen. I listen to the audio, you know what I'm saying?

When you listen to an audiobook, do you consider, like if people ask you about it, do you say I read this book? That was the debate we had on this show. Yeah, I do, because that counts for me. My education level, that counts, man. Thank you. But I've actually, but I've learned I'm reading a book called A-R right now, all of self. Okay. And so that's where my selfishness has been revered.

And so anyway, so I've actually started reading. I actually had to read my own book. I had to say it and read it because I had to make sure all the stories. matched up and those are real events that happened. So yeah, but yeah, so I started reading. It's a new process in my life. It's small books with pictures, but we're gay- You'll phase out the pictures, everything at some point.

You saw I put pictures in my book. I had to. You had to put pictures, man. When you were younger, too, there was a couple cool pictures of me. You said you always wanted to be a superhero. Right, in the Superman shirt, and then there's knickers. Yeah, I had to put them in there, man. You did, man.

That's awesome. Paint Stewart with the American Flagg shirt right there. Georgia. How are you feeling about them this year? I feel great. You should. I mean, I'm trying to, I need to get a national championship ring. Yeah.

Need, need. I mean, you obviously get one if they win, right? I should, shouldn't I? If you pump it, if you pump enough. Yeah, I think so. How much do I donate? I mean, for the kids. Of course.

For no other reason. For the kids. Have you been there this year to a game? Not to Georgia. I went to the Auburn game. Okay. So my son's playing tackle football. He's nine years old, first year.

And it kills the football because, He's played on Saturdays at 1230 every Saturday. But the Auburn game, they were off. So we drove up from, it's only a couple hours from my house. And so we drove up there and we were on the field, you know, went in the Masters a couple of times to get you on the field, you know. Yeah, definitely. Exactly.

We've got a big Alabama guy behind the sticks here. You know what? I love SEC football, so I don't care who wins as long as it's SEC football. But, man, I actually love it. Is that actually true? Yeah, dead serious. I'm at SEC. I went to SEC.

So how would that not be true? I'm not lying. I would never lie to you guys. But within the SEC, there's massive robbery. If my team can't win, it better be an SEC team. Really? Is that how you think as well? Yeah, exactly. No way.

If Alabama loses to Georgia, not in the NCAA championship, but in the college football playoff, I would like Georgia to win because then you've lost to the winner. Same thing with like Raven Steelers or anything like that. But you don't, why do you want, I don't want any other conference to win? Because our conference is the best. You also make money. I'm not, see, I'm not worried. I don't even know money.

If Georgia, if Georgia won't win the, Georgia. the, uh, Georgia were to win the national championship, like Florida's going to have funding for their like diving team, stuff like that, you know. You know what? You know what? You're a nice guy. That's what you're worried about. The diving team of Florida.

But now that I'm thinking about it, the Vanderbilt golf team gets funding. They're right. There you go. If Iowa can't win it, which unfortunately they're not going to win it. They've lost two games in a row. I would like a Big Ten school to win it. Really? Yeah.

So, but here's my thing. My selfishness again, you know, we're going to air this out there. Yeah. So Alabama law. to Texas A&M, which I got a story about Jimbo Fisher that y'all really care about. And so when they lost, I was like, oh, my gosh, they lost. Now at the SEC Championship, if they play each other and Georgia loses, now that might bump Georgia out because there's a one loss.

But if Alabama was undefeated, the one loss might still stay in there. So I was already trying to hedge my bets, you know, on the Georgia side. So Jimbo Fisher, I'm going to – I got time to tell you this. So we're at National Championship game, Georgia, Alabama, and we're on the sideline. again, two masters, get you on the sidelines. Love it. So we're on the sidelines, and now it's halftime. So we go underneath where ESPN and stuff is,

and I'm doing something, you know, getting food or doing an interview or something, and my wife's sitting on the couch. This man sits down on the other couch, you know, like an L-shaped. And they were talking the whole time. And I come up, and I'm like, oh, my gosh, man, huge fan of years, man. I shook and Sandy, just signed with Texas A&M

and, you know, big contract and everything. But I was like, I'm a Florida State fan. I grew up Florida State fan. I was close to my house. And so I was like, I mean, I can't believe you left Florida State, just like Mark Rick did back in the day when I was at Georgia. But, you know, so I was talking about Florida State and then he was Texas A&M. And my wife goes, so who are you? What do you do?

I was like, Jimbo Fisher. What are you doing? So now that's our joke. Every time we see Texas A&M or I see his name, she's like, oh, there's my buddy. But yes, yeah, no, she's been talking to this man forever. I mean, we're talking 10, maybe 15 minutes. They were just talking. And then he said, so who are you?

Oh, man. that's exactly like the situation with Lurch. So we have our fourth host who's not here today was at Justin Thomas's house a couple weeks ago. They were playing out at the Grove, right, in Florida, Jordan's course. And which I'm sure you know all about. The Jordan, that's, who's that? Michael, I think.

The shoe guy. He's the shoe guy. He's the mean guy. He's the guy who cries after every class. But anyway, so they're all hanging around and Lurch is talking to Bud calls. And he goes, and halfway through the conversation, goes, so what do you do? Because he just didn't recognize him in just regular street clothes. And everyone in the house heard it.

And they're like, how do you not know who bought is? This is crazy. It's a house filled with golfers. So that we get. That's actually a good question for you. When you are wearing street clothes, when you're walking around, do you get recognized? I'm sure you get recognized less, but like, is it much less or no? Like when you're wearing street clothes as opposed to being on a golf course.

Well, when logo's up and a visor on, and you're in a golf town like Scottsdale, Yeah, I get recognized quite a bit. Yes. But when I'm in street closed, it just depends on the city, really. Sure. Last night, when I walked to the game and back, I had my mask on the whole time, so just in case. But one police officer stopped me. He goes, hey, are you?

I said, yeah, man, how you doing, man? I said, Brooks Kepka? No. No, but, I mean, he knew who I was, and that's when I put the mask on after that. I was like, okay, maybe people, as I get closer, maybe people know. Two masters. That'll get you there. Get you on the sidelines and get you recognized.

Exactly. Get you court. That too. Of course that. We're going to get you on the Jumbetron, though. Exactly. You can't get on the Jumptown. So where are we at, Bubba, where we at golf game-wise?

I mean, I know you're writing books. You're out of the Solheim Cup, which was awesome, by the way. Very, very cool thing that you did. How cool was the, how much fun was the Solheim Cup? Oh, my gosh. The Sohamp Cup was amazing. I've always wanted to do that. I've always wanted to be there and support the women.

And I supported my love watching LPJ. My wife was a pro basketball player and I have a six-year-old daughter that maybe one day wants to have the dream of playing professional sports. So, yeah, having the free time. But I've scheduled this free time off, and I haven't touched the club. I'm not very good with dates. I would say at least I've played nine holes. Played nine holes at the Solheim Cup.

And I've played two holes since then. So I don't know how that is. So it's been a while. And so I played nine holes for them there, and then I played two holes for a photo shoot. And that's it. December QBE. and then the PNC, the parent junior, in Orlando. So those are the two coming up because I want my family involved and all those things.

So, yeah, I'm just taking time off. But I scheduled it because I knew he was playing football. She's playing soccer and gymnastics. So I want to be there for that. At some point, forget me. I want to support them and I want to watch them. I want them to be better than me or my wife's ever been as a person, but also whatever they choose to do.

Yeah, it's interesting. Like you said, because with the book and seeing you come up at the Solheim Cup. I know you and Teddy recently split, who you and Teddy were unbelievably close. I spent an entire day with you guys, so I think a lot of people are curious, sort of what's,

and you've always come off as a guy that's felt like, you know, golf's not going for your entire life, professional golf's probably not going to be your whole life, your professional life, you're actually going to, you know, you're, I guess you've always come off as a guy that would be comfortable stepping away at times,

whether it's breaks or whether you get to that point in your life. So it was just kind of, I think the golf world's a little curious where you're at with that. that. Yeah, for sure. No, I love golf tremendously. You know, rumor has it that the PGA Tour might have a break after next season. Rumor has it. And so, you know, I'll go ahead and start practicing that break, you know, that winter break. And so, you know, for me, and again, going back to Ted Scott, Ted Scott's been a leader for me for 15 years. I mean, he's older than me, so he was already

the spiritual leader. He was already the husband leader, the dad that I need to look up to and be like. And he's helped me many, many times, not only knowing the golf, but we're talking about in life. And so, you know, not being able to give him exactly what he needed for his own family, for his own retirement, for his own situation, and he wants to coach. So we assess it. And, you know, it's one of those things where I told him, I said, man, if you can go help another child, another kid, right? Another maturity level like mine when I was coming out, then that, how much better would that be, right? And you'd be there for somebody to be better than Bubble Watson, you know, get them past me, win three masters, when 15 events instead of 12 or whatever that is.

It's not that I'm done with golf and I'm not that I'm done with Teddy. I mean, Teddy's my good friend. Led me many, many years. And so, yeah, it's just one of those places that we're at right now, but I can't wait. I mean, I'm ready to play golf. I just want to miss it. I want to miss it so that when I get there, I'm not as mad at the three puts as I am when I play every day. Is it kind of like adding fuel to a fire? Is that how that works? Are you? you're kind of adding fuel to a fire by taking some time off? Is that how you're looking at? Well, Friday I'll be 43, so I'm trying to rest the old body for a little bit.

But, you know, no, it does. It does add fuel. When I see these kids winning, you know, that guy that won a tournament last week, wherever it was, I don't know where it was. I haven't watched golf. So, anyway, so, yeah, I want to beat that guy. You know what I'm saying? Totally.

And so, but no, it does. I mean, the more I see, the more you hear about it, and more you see it, and you know that not playing these weeks, you're going to be behind the, you're going to be behind in the FedEx Cup, World Rankin's probably dropping, whatever it is, right? And so you're going to try to challenge that at President's Cups next year, so you want to challenge that. I mean, there's so many things that I want to do. I want to stop Rory from winning the Masters because I want to beat him, you know, make him come in second, so he has to go another year before he can win the Grand Slam.

He's going to win it, but let's just postpone it a year, you know? It's inevitable, you think. I mean, I mean, he's so good. I mean, if I can luck into two, he can luck into one, right? So, I mean, you know, I'll pull for him. I really want him to, and I want Jordan to do his thing. I wish somehow Phil Mickelson could win, you know. I mean, he just won one major, so why can't he win the U.S. Open, right?

Yeah, things like that. It doesn't bother me if they have a better career than me and all those things. I pull for those. They're friends. And so, you know, I would love to see them win, but I'd love to see them have to wait a year because I beat them. Fair. And what were you saying? Sorry, man, we interrupted you, way over there in the sunny.

I know. I'm out here in the desert. I'm three hours behind. But you've got a hoodie on to act like your cold. Your condition must be working. Oh, buddy, I keep it. I keep it low in here. You got to keep the AC low.

I just think your whole outlook. You're a positive guy right now. It seems like you're in a good place. You've got such a good vibe about you. You're doing tours, chit-chat and up and that. So it's just, it's nice to see Bubba Watson in a seemingly phenomenal place right now. It's like, you know, which is easy to be happy for you, I feel like. Yeah, man.

Thank you. You know, it is. It's funny. You know, these articles, if you go off of articles. and different things. The Internet's not true all the times, but talking. I mean, every time me and you've talked, every time me and you've been together,

you've said the same thing. I mean, that's who I am, right? I'm not faking it. I'm not doing anything. But yeah, my life is definitely in the right path. Every day, try to take that step forward. And we're doing good. I've got to find a caddy, though.

Maybe I'll get you to one of y'all to caddy for me because I haven't found a caddy yet. Okay. We're in. All three of us. Yes, exactly. You get six holes each. Seriously.

So y'all can make it. We'll break it up. I can't. It's my shoulder. We could do a caddy competition to see, like, which one of us wins the competition. Yeah, whoever, low round or maybe high round, because I don't know. Change it up. I'm a lefty, so we have that in common, but I also have a bum elbow, so I don't know.

I won't be able to carry it, really. Pull cart? Pull cart, maybe. Oh, man. Or maybe the middle guy. The low man and the high man are out. The middle guys win it. Shit.

That's good. All right. Well, look, we appreciate it. always we got to get you back on over and over again because we love having you check out the book all kinds of good golf puns in there and you get two of them right away up and down victories and struggles in the course of life so bubble watson we appreciate you they appreciate you coming in i appreciate you yeah thanks for coming in yeah for sure thank y'all thank y'all thank y'all and then you you too thanks tea times folks you're talking tea times you got to book tea times to play golf

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I did. No way. Well, not, no surfing right now. The waves weren't great today, but, um,

that's off season for me, but baby. I love your energy. Let's just get right into it. Let's start now. We're starting now. Riggs go ahead. Yeah,

Matt, every on the show just came like he's a Cali surfer bro all of a sudden, right in the, right in the, kickstart the show. Atlantic Beach, Atlantic Beach. That's true. That's true. East Coast. That's the wrong spot. That's wrong spot. He's a Florida guy. What's up? How are we doing? You're just chilling right now. You're hanging. Are you grinding? What are you doing? No grinding. I, um, God, what am I doing? I took like, I haven't played in a

couple months. I played last week in Bermuda for a little bit. And I just kind of realized why I don't want to do it anymore for the time being. Um, so a couple months off, getting ready to do some TV stuff that I'm pretty excited about, uh, starting at Sea Island. Kind of a new deal for me, but I think it's going to work out good. How does that work when you start to potentially get into, into TV stuff? Somebody come to you. Well, you got to, no, you get, well, number one, you got to start sucking it off. And then to, you know, to venture into the TV world. Um, so you got to do. successfully completed that first part i've done so good at i've done so good at that part uh you're awesome

check the first box right now you're just unreal at sucking so i'm i am um for a while actually uh so check that box and then you know i guess i kind of approach some people about it um i've had people tell me I should do it for a while. I'm not like, I haven't been super active on social media my whole career. I really haven't had it my whole career. But I know I also have one of the biggest personalities that has played on tour in the last however many years. And I have a little bit of an edge to me, but I'm tied up. Like, I know what's right and wrong. I just, I like to tiptoe the line a little bit. Well, I mean, you had a couple of quotes before about how social media sucks,

how it's like all this. You're basically like looking for the approval of others. And I imagine as a pro athlete that that absolutely sucks because people are judging the shit out of your golf game, the way that you act, maybe you throw a club or two. Yeah, yeah, well, there's that, yeah. Which we're going to get into. But if you're on kind of the, media side of social media,

then you just get to make dumbass fucking jokes all the time on social media. And that's the whole game. That's like all, you're not looking for approval from anybody. You're just out there. You're just part of the, part of the bullshit conversation that means nothing and it's a lot more fun. Yeah.

So what do you want me to say? Well, I'm saying I think that your, I think your social media future is going to be a lot better, you know, if you're more in the TV world than if you're playing because no, for sure, for sure. Yeah, yeah, you're kind of an easy target if you're playing bad and whatever you're doing.

And then it definitely, it definitely, it depends on who you are, how you handle that. I just never found a lot of value in other people's opinions about myself. And then also at this, another thing, too, is just guys in my, you know, in the same industry, when social media started becoming popular, the ones that were like really active on it, I thought they were just kind of hand jobs, to be honest. So it just really wasn't for me at the time. And I mean, I'm giving it a try. I feel like I need it now for a platform with the TV stuff.

But I'm just going to be myself, really. I mean, yeah, I think that's, look, I bought like, there are guys. It's interesting in golf because we talk about this a lot of when you, when you tune into a leaderboard as a normal fan, maybe you're a casual fan, but everybody, for the most part, blends in. Like, everybody looks pretty similar. You don't really know a ton of bottom. We don't think the PJ Tour does a great job of, like, really highlighting and

showcasing who people are, what makes them different, interesting. And we use, like, a Kevin Kisner of a really good example of, like, our crowd and our followers didn't really know much about KISS. I tell Kiz all the time. We tell Kiz, when he plays golf, he's incredibly boring to watch play golf. He doesn't really do much. He's just kind of out there. know, hitting it straight, making pretty good puts, but he's not that exciting.

And then you get him into an environment where he can really be himself, like you're just talking about, I want to be myself, where he can really be himself, make jokes, speak the way that he normally speaks. And all of a sudden, people open their eyes. They go, oh, shit, there's a lot to this guy. Yeah. No, Kevin's awesome. He's not one of the hand jobs I was talking about.

Who was one of the hand jobs that maybe we're talking about? Oh, here we go. I don't know. Talk about the hand jobs. Yeah. So, the dry ones. Yeah, I don't. No, we don't.

I don't know. I'm a bit, Frankie, I'm a big fan of yours. Are you really? Yeah, dude. I just like your vibe. You got a great vibe. Holy shit, man. I like that.

I like you, man. I really like you. Maybe you see like the fire in me and we both have that where we'll just go on. So, yeah, that's another, the fire, the fire, Is that what you're talking about? Yeah. Yeah, I got a lot of that in me. Toss the club all over the place.

I like that. Well, that's a little blown out of it. That's a little blown. It is. Yes, I have grown man anger. It's not a tantrum. It's not anything like that. I just, you know, if I get mad, it's done with.

It's like a two-second thing, whether it's over the knee or, you know, throwing one or whatever. But for the like 99% of me, I'm a lover, man. I'm, I see that. I am. I take all of it's directed at me. And there's, you know, I'm not a blamer. I just handle things the way I handle them. And we've actually been on your side, and I've definitely flip-flopped on this,

where at first I thought it was like country club douchey when guys would, like, snap their clubs or like yell. But then you think about every other sport in the history of the world And you're allowed to let out your aggression and your anger In so many ways where golf doesn't have anything that allows you to do that Right? In baseball you can fucking throw your bat at the dugout, take your helmet, toss it to the fucking bad boy And you walk out to your position and no one, they just go to commercial, nothing. And people are like, I love that.

People are like, oh, I love that fire. Hockey you can literally fight someone. Oh, here it comes, here it comes. Hockey you can literally fist fight someone and everyone goes crazy. That's why they buy the tickets half the people. So in golf, you like snap a golf club because you just fucking hit. one in the water and they're like this guy needs to be banned from the tour it's crazy it's nuts so i'm totally on your side on that you're allowed to get mad when you're playing a sport yes and i'd

rather see someone get mad than like drag it out and whine and complain and bitch and it's just it's two totally different things um yeah i uh i'm here for it i can't i can't wait to uh can't wait to take a little break from golf and do the like the tv thing and I think I'm going to surprise some people. I think that image of me throwing the club is not. It's not, I mean, obviously it is me throwing it, but it's not me at the core. You've been doing this for a while, though, man.

2006 you turned pro. Like, I mean, that's no, that's nothing to sneeze at, as the people say. I mean, that's a career. It is. Yeah, Kisner and I were at the same age. We played golf. Shit, man. He played at Georgia.

I was at Florida. we're kind of pretty good on our team. So like our careers have kind of obviously his back, the back half of his career has been a lot better than mine. But yeah, man, I've been out there a while. It was, it was good. I still physically, like, golf has not passed me by at all. I've actually gotten better every year with my numbers and stuff,

like track man shit and stuff like that. But mentally, man i just it's tough for me to be present for five hours a day out there it really is um just it's kind of that part of it's kind of it's been a battle for me do you think like transitioning to talking about golf will reignite the fire into wanting to play it could it could it's not necessarily what i'm looking for um but it could i i just think i have a lot more to like the last year, maybe the last year and a half on the course. I really haven't played that bad and I've just been shit and I've been miserable and that's just not who I am. And if golf's going to bring

that out in me, like I'm lucky enough to be in a situation where I don't need to, I don't need to do that anymore. I have a lot more to offer. And I know there's nobody like me in our industry that can I just think I'm going to surprise a lot of people. You will because, I mean, we've, we're in the golf world to talk about all the personalities and all the shit that's going on and all these guys who are making headlines and like your name never comes up in that. And you're just, dude, that's because I've been chopping for like three years. Yeah, but like just your personality, right?

Like, we haven't seen any of that. Like, we get a couple tweets here and there. You'll, you'll give a funny interview. It's like, we got to get this guy on the foreplay pod. I'm like, all right. Like, yeah, I mean, he's out there. He's making funny. He's saying a couple funny lines.

But I mean, your personality right now, you would be the most lovable dude of all time if you were out there all the time. And people realized how down to earth regular dude just got out of the ocean coming on here, just shooting the shit with the boys on floorplay. Like, this is who you are. We haven't seen that since 2006. Like you've kind of hidden that from people. Like, I mean, that's, you're definitely about to come out and win people over. No doubt about it. You're going to surprise everyone.

Well, see. I hope so. That's, I think it's a no-brainer. in TV and golf it's it's not like it's um over saturated with like electric personalities right now yeah yeah i'm not yes there's a lot of filler i'd say it's pretty barren actually it's extremely barren and like colt's coming up and and he's done well bones cold doing yes so colt doing well really open my heart colt and i are good buddies and yeah i tell people all the time like we're very our personalities are very similar like i'm obviously way better like i'm obviously way better

looking than Cole is. But, you know, yeah. But, I mean, yeah. We could see it. We got eyes. We all got eyes. We all got eyes over here. Yeah.

But I'm excited. And honestly, I'm excited for Colt. That guy's going to, he's going to do big things. I would love to work with Colt. I think we would be great together on a broadcast. It definitely, when Bones made that announcement that he was, going back to caddian I got me a little excited

I was like yeah there's a because yeah because look like bones bones has been great but even he's kind of he's different right he gives you this like really deep insight for being Phil's caddy

Colt comes in a little bit more I feel like he's getting a sunburn right now from his sky there we go I'm out of it now I was worried about that I almost wasn't listening to anything anyone was saying because I saw that light moving towards your eyes and I was like we got to get him sunglasses

or something. And like we love, you know, Trevor Hillman's been great. And I think he's got moments for his, but even he's sort of, you know, he's pretty polished up there. Whereas, you know, you get like, Faldo's fucking boring on the coverage. Everybody knows that. I think it's just mostly pretty boring when you're watching a lot of the names and a lot of the same old.

So I feel like there is room for somebody to come in with a little spice. Yeah. I've talked to a few people. Like, I've really the only guy that I've really. sought out advice from is Steve Sands. I adore him. I think he's like the best in the business. He's a total ace. And he, you know, he told me, I said, Steve, I think I'm going to try this TV thing out. What do you think? And he was like, well, he's like, you know, you'd be great at it. But because the first thing people ask, when people ask me, who do you think can do this out here?

He goes, I always bring up your name. But then the first thing they ask me is, Well, can we trust him with a mic? And it's like, yeah, you can trust me with a mic. You just give me a, you know, like, give me a look. I mean, just look at, like, we want people that they ask, can you trust him with a mic? Those are the people. Absolutely. That's the perfect reputation.

Like, I remember when we started this podcast, Rick, you remember what did they, what did the PJ tours say? Cautiously optimistic. Like, they were a little nervous that we were going to say some crazy shit. And then we ended up saying some crazy shit and it was Rocky there for a few years. But like, but that's, that is what you want. We're talking about guys who we think are boring and it's because they're so polished that I trust them that I know that like people can take a nap to them on Sunday afternoons. That's not necessarily what the next generation of people of viewers want. They want somebody who's going to have a little bit of fire and have a little bit of edge.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Definitely have that. Perfect. Yeah. We're good there. I want like, I want, of all of the potential. TV personalities in golf, I want to go down a line and you point out and be like, can you trust

it with a mic? And if the answer is like automatically yes, then like they're out. And then you get some. And if it's always a little bit like, eh, they're, it's like put them on TV. Let's fucking see what they got. Like it's just too, it's so boring. A game that already has a reputation of being kind of boring and uptight. And it's like, we got plenty of guys that you can 100% fully trust. Let's get some more spice in there. I think a lot, I rigs, I think a lot of it comes, it's just a safe play for these

big networks. They know what they're going to get with what they got already. And hey, look, golf's doing great. I mean, yeah, it might suck to listen to someone call golf or whatever, but it is, it's just so easy for them to fall back on some of these guys

that have been doing it their whole lives. And some of them are really good at it. it takes some nuts to try something new sometimes. But golf is doing well, but adding someone like you is just added value, right? Like, you can still have guys like that on the broadcast that are, you know,

you know what you're going to get every single time, but then you throw in a cult most or a you. And it's just, it brings a different dynamic to it. And I think it brings in more fans because people will see the clips and they'll be like, what's going on here and they'll tune in? Yes.

Look, I know I will never, I haven't had the career to be like a booth guy. I haven't won any majors. But I have had a pretty good career. I mean, I've had some shit in my career. But I've also had some really good moments, like the highest and highs. And I know I can relate to pretty much every guy out there. I have a great relationship with every guy out there. And you don't.

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won the first year my career was kind of doing this it was like i was getting really like on the west coast and 2014, I remember I had like four chances to like if I were to shot like three or four under on the back nine on Sunday out of one, maybe like my memory might be a little off there. But it was like I was I had a look to win going into Sunday about four times. And so when I won at when I won Bay Hill and 14, I wasn't say I was like expecting it to happen, but it was not a surprise to me. Like I was. I inserted myself in that position enough times to where something good was going to happen. And it did.

Then my game just kind of, I don't know, I don't know really what happened. I just kind of fell off. And the whole next year, I made some swing changes. I went and worked with Sean Foley. And it was, it was really hard for me to pick up what we were working on. But I'm stubborn and I was doing it. And I knew, like, on the range, it was so good. And then I'd get on the course and it would just be dicey and I'd hit a couple of foul balls.

But it clicked. But next year when I got to Bay Hill, just the comfort of being there, it all clicked on the course for me. And I won again out of nowhere. Like, I mean, I had no form going into that tournament. And it worked out. So, but then after that, it's, it's, you know, I've had a few good tournaments. I think the buyer Nelson's part at Trinity was probably my last like good showing but yeah weird career man we're life's weird um I got to ask you about proams so we had we haven't

had a ton of pro am experience we don't go to a lot of PJ torvents because like Trent said it's been a little up and down they don't they don't give us great access for a lot of different reasons and restrictions are they not crazy about you guys they're not crazy about you it's gotten we're fine now it's just they're more Tor does whatever 40 events a year So they're a lot more protective of anything that goes out So it doesn't make a lot of sense for us To put out videos and all that shit

So we have very rarely almost never seen any pro amps Well Liberty National this year at the Northern Trust We're out there all day Wednesday for the pro am And I'm telling you man We might have seen almost five or six people get fucking killed I mean it was crazy that there were spectators out there And amateurs hitting horrific golf shots It looked like there was unrest among the amateurs in the field,

and they were trying to hurt, like, fatally hurt the spectators. Have you, like, have you seen just some crazy shit in pro-ams? Probably. Nothing surprised me anymore, just being out there. Like, last week in Bermuda, this isn't a pro-am story, but it's something that had never happened to me before. We were on 10. and we get to 11.

We're the first group off. We're the first group off in the afternoon in my wave. So when we make the turn, like the last group off the back is they've gone off like maybe 30 minutes for us. So we get to 11. It's a blind T shot downhill. And I team, I had the T. So I team a ball up.

And I'm a fast player. So like I'm ready to go. They're straight down wind. It's like a no-brainer T-shot. It's just going through the motions. And this lady, this volunteer, she, like, walks up and stands right in front of my ball. There's a night, like, probably a 70-year-old lady. And she's like, you can't hit.

There's, this guy came back to hit. I need you to wait. And the group in front of us is on 12 green. I can see them. They're right there. And I'm like, no, no, ma'am. I'm like, that's the group in front of us right there. Like, that's not.

And she's like, no, no, no, they're down there. I'm like, look. nobody's going to die i'm going to hit can you please move and we had to like shoe her off the t-box no way it was like a minute and a half it was it was it was so strange so i hit and i hit it left i don't even know where the story's going so i hit it left and it's like borderline obi and i was kind of pissed off of what just happened because i was like what are you doing like just get out of the way like a volunteer that gets, I love volunteers. I really do.

I'm very grateful for them. But the over the ones that take it a little too serious. Oh, yeah. We've all see that. Sometimes. Oh, yeah. We've all. They power trip a little power trip.

Sure. Yeah. So I was a little, you know, upset about that. So I hit it left. We get down there. If I'm a ball, I hit it. And it goes into the front bunker. And I walk up there.

and there's like a big old practice thing on my ball. It's not my ball. And I was like, oh, so I'm looking at my caddy, and it's this local dude named Dwayne. He's a great guy. And I'm like, Dwayne, it's just my ball, dude. And he's like, oh, I know. So we got to go back.

It's not at my balls. We don't find it in bounds. Now I got to go re-tee and I like see this lady. And I'm like, I'm like, you're so. nice, but I want to be so mad at you right now, but I can't be. And so then I hit it left again, and now I'm hitting seven off the T. And it's like, that's enough. So I left.

And that was kind of the reason, that's kind of the reason why I don't really think I should be playing golf anymore is, it was too easy for me to do that. Yeah, it all spiraled way too fast. It was just like, I didn't even think this was a possibility today. and it just happened like that. And here we are, you know, another WD. Did you ever figure out

what she was talking about? No, so it was the weirdest thing ever. No, I mean, she was, she just, she was trying her best. Just didn't work out. She thought she was right. Yeah, she was old.

Man, and that was just the end of your trigger. You're just like, all right, we're out of here. Like, we're just. Well, yeah. Now it's like, I'm going to miss the cut. And I know it sounds terrible, but I just stopped trying to beat out ground balls and t-ball. You know, like, is what it is. Incredible.

We, we just, like, when we were there in the pro-am, because the PJ tour, like, we've talked about a bunch, is buttoned up. It's tight. It seems like everything's under control. And then this pro-am was just fucking chaos. Like, snap. There was a guy that got hit. Trey Mullenax that Colonial a couple years ago got hit in the head by a pro-am ball. I'm pretty sure by an amateur, like a dead shank right in the head.

Oh, I could see it. Like, I know Charles Schwartzel got hurt one year by like his amateur partner. It got hit. And I think he had to like withdraw for the tournament. But we were just like, how do they, do they have like the best PR cover up team on pro amps in general? Because people have to get hurt at these things. It was some of the worst golf shots I've ever seen. But they were coming in like low hook.

that come in at 100 miles an hour that were just going to kill people. Spectators are standing there like foul balls down the, they're like foul balls down the third baseline, just deer in the headlights. And the spectators, they, so they're at a PJ tour event, so they're thinking, all right, there's a guy in the fairway, but I'm going to look at the green because I think his ball is going to land somewhere on the green. They're not thinking about the amateurs that are hitting those low hooks. So we saw one guy who was just standing there kind of,

not by the green, but a little bit up by the green. And an amateur hit a shot, hit a low hook, and it just missed his face because he wasn't even looking in the direction of where the ball was hit because he's like, oh, these are pros out here. They're definitely going to hit the green. So it's just as dangerous as it can get. And I'm with rigs.

I'm surprised that we don't hear more stories about it. They must have an insane PR. Maybe we will. Maybe you guys will start something here. I'd love to uncover a bunch of them. You might get a little something. We could get a little something going on here. Now that we're kind of taking golf or a little break from the game, what are you doing to pass the time or when you're swimming?

What are you doing? What are your hobbies? So this, so a couple things. I started surfing a lot more just to keep myself busy because the TV thing, it's not like I can just like, you know, when they tell me I go, I go. Yeah. So I'll play golf with my buddies. I'm not like, I don't practice anymore like I'm about to go playing a tour event, at least for the time being. And I also have my buddies and I started a clothing line during the pandemic.

It's a really good idea. And it's actually doing it's actually doing really well though. And we're really excited about where it's going. What's it called? Give it a plug or what? I mean, are you going to fucking do it? Oh, yeah, sure. It's called it's called Live Forever Golf.

LFG. We couldn't name it LFG because I'm pretty sure Tom Brady owns LFG. But is that true? He owns it? No, there's no chance, but you just can't. I was like, yeah. But it's believable enough that I, like I believed it for like half a second. I guarantee there's people out there listening who also believes it because he does use it all the time. He does, yes.

But we named it Live Forever Golf. So you can use, you can play it off that. And it started, you know, when I threw that club, I got a big fine for that. I was kept looking at the picture and I was like, that's kind of a killer logo. So we just started making like hats and stuff off of that. But then we turned, it's like full on. Like we're going to be at the PGA show next year. It's, it's a very well-sexed clothing line.

It's going to be good. We hired a designer that's been in the industry, like the surf and golf industry for about 20 years. We hired a guy. This guy Nick Gillum, he won the NCAAs at Florida. He's going to be head of sales for us. It's taken off like way, way bigger than I thought it would. That's the way to do it, though. Like that's what we do with stuff like if a moment happens,

like you're saying, if it looks like a good logo, throw it on some shirts, throwing on some hats. It went for, yeah, it started as that. But now it's, it's, we're, I think we're, we're across the board. Like our next line is, is, our new stuff is sick. let's co-brand dude let's get some that's what we do we fucking we'll sync up we'll get our logo playing the law play in the same sandbox let's go yeah i'm happy to play that game if you have ever

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Like with the green reading books. Let's talk about it. They're not going to allow the green reading books now going forward. Everybody's arguing, you know, it's a skill to be able to read greens. What do you think about that? I mean, I'm guilty. Yeah, of course. And everyone used them. So then you're against banning them. No, I'm with banning them like 100%.

But if they aren't going to ban them, you're cheating yourself, not fucking getting them. It tells you everything right there. I mean, on the book, like if you know how to read the book, it's easy to get lazy. I wish I never used them. I feel like I was better without them. Just like anything, like Trackman. I felt like I was better without that. Like once you know too much, sometimes it's hard to forget it. And, you know, there's definitely been putts where, and you'd, you know, you'll be walking up to the green and I already got it marked in my book and I'm looking and I don't even like really look at the put.

I'm like, my ball's there, the hole's here and I'm like looking at the book. And instead of like reading the putt, it's like, what am I doing here? And everyone's probably guilty of that out there. but I don't think it's going to make that much of a difference banning them. Everyone out there, I mean, dude, you're on the PGA tour. You know how to fucking read Greens. It's not like, it's not at that level. It's not rocket science.

It's really not. Now, there's a difference between good putters or not for sure. But as far as reading greens, it's not that hard. Yeah, I've never heard of an analysis where someone's like, man, he's got a great stroke, but he just, he just can't read a green to save his life. Like, I've never, I've never heard that. Yes, like, I can tell you this 12 footer is going to break a cup left or right, but fuck, man, I can't tell you if I'm going to put it online and hit the perfect speed, you know,

like, it's just, that's golf. Yeah. What about, uh, what about distance? I know USGA's worried about it a little bit. They are trying to stop it before. They think it gets more out of control, 46 inch drivers and snow. You know, that's the max. You think distance is a guy that's 37.

Now you've been around for a while. Yeah. I think we need to take. I'm with them. It is getting out of hand. But I also think we need to take a look at the USGA. They've let some things pass by that have really changed our game. And I know like the whole bi-ha having two different stuff.

of rules for like the tour and then like just you know amateurs um you know a massive part i think a massive thing they they overlooked on our at our level is hybrids it is such an advantage like a guy like adam scott or like kegan bradley or someone or dustin or whoever that has a ton of speed and can just lace of high cut four iron and then you get some slap dick out there who's back Kurtz or whatever and he busts out this hybrid and it lands goes higher and land softer like that's not right that's not right like it's just it it's at our level it is not right I understand it makes the game more fun but I think those those the you I don't know I think the USGA is a mess yeah it's funny because it's I feel like we've heard you know guys for I remember Tiger in the last five years

show has really started to preach a lot that the, you know, the equipment has basically bunched everybody up, right? And it used to be, for sure, it used to be that you could really stand out with, you know, certain skills,

ball striking, shaping shots, hitting it higher, lower, whatever. Whereas now it's, like he said, the equipment has allowed people that aren't as good

and over four rounds that difference isn't as much. So you get everybody's fucking bunched up now. Yeah. No, he's not wrong. That guy's usually right. Is he wrong, about you right

no it's tiger you can do whatever you want how big of a tiger guy are you oh man I love that guy um massive massive fan I uh

I pull like health for him every time he's doing something good I want nothing but the best for him do you uh you carry chapstick you got chapstick on you right now I don't know why well there was a debate

like doing a poll well I was saying yesterday For like drivers? Well, no, we were saying that like, maybe. I think chapstick's sort of like chiropractic work. And I know that that's kind of a stretch to compare the two. But it's like the more you use it, the more you need it. So once you apply chapsic for the first time, your lips are now craving chapstick for the rest of your life.

You're always. That's so true. It's so true. To the point where I was asking, how many people do you think have chapsic in their pocket along with their wallet, keys and phone? Like, is it like a daily? Do you grab the chapstick also? Yeah. what's the percentage of people who carry around chapstick?

I think it's 100% female. I think we landed around 30% percent. 100% female. 100. Which is okay. Totally. We don't want these dry weather. No, you can't have to dry weather.

No, no. It's much lower for men, though. Much lower. 10, 15%. Yeah. I'm hit or miss. I have some of my golf bag for sure, but I'm not like in every, I'm not even close to an everyday user.

Talk to me Talk to me a little bit about Oasis Oh, what do you want to know? Well, I see this quote It actually cracked me up Where you said that your dream foursome Would include Oasis members Liam and all That's like from 2008

I was gonna say is that part of why you was Live Forever Golf Yeah, so that's where it started Awesome I didn't So my two buddies That really started this company My buddy's Scott Riley He

He came up with the live forever we're trying to think like LFG it goes great with the logo but like we can't use let's fucking go um you just can't print it on shirts I mean you can but I don't know what they were thinking but that's where it came from it originated from that song yeah I live forever which is a great great song yeah I fucking love Oasis man I love them too man they're the best I really think uh if you one year I got suspended for three months and no they were split up and Noel was touring in the U.S. You know, with his new band.

And I just, like, followed Noel for a couple months. Dude, that thing, that Oasis documentary is supersonic. So I'm, I like Oasis, but I'm not like a, I'm not a diehard fan. But when I watch that supersonic documentary, that's one of the best music documentaries I've ever seen. They are so interesting. It's really good. And for me, you know, when you talk to a lot of people about Oasis, you can find out like what kind of fan they are right away because in the u.s like you know if you say

oasis people think wonder wall and like champagne supernova and like those are good songs but that's not their sound like they are they are raw as fuck and kind of like in your face uplifting music and that's why i love them i i love that about them They just, I think they're the last real rock and roll band. Foo Fighters, but, um, well, hey, food, Dave Grohl will say that Liam got that Oasis is the best fan he's ever seen live. Yeah, he does. Yeah, there's close for that.

Yeah. And, and I love food fighters too, man. Fuck. Yeah. I, my cock gets hard for food fires. But, um, speaking of Cox, this is the, this is what, this is what Liam says about no. I love reading Liam Gallagher quotes.

It's maybe the funniest thing. things on the planet, but he says, this is Liam Gallagher on brother Noel. I like Noel outside the band. Human Noel. That's my brother. I fucking adore him and I do anything for him. But the geyser that's in this fucking business, he's one of the biggest cocks in the universe. Their quotes about each other are so good. It's amazing when you think like, you think about Oasis that these, they're both still alive. Like they're still around very much so. They both still make music and they are. Fuse to come together and make music again. It's got to be an eager. thing with both with both of them um Liam Liam's new stuff is actually pretty good

no went off the grid a little bit he went into like a different genre kind of for a second and but Liam is still rock and roll and I still think he kind of lives rock and roll ish still totally um I think recently didn't some like concert um company like came to them and offered them like a hundred million dollars and they still both said no well I don't know if Liam would say no. I think Noel probably said no. That might have been. I think Liam's like full on. I think he would love to do it. I'm like speaking for him.

Liam's such a fucking asshole that he'll never stop shitting down Noel's throat that Noel has to have some sort of backbone to be like I'm not coming back to this guy. Right. Right. Right. No. Yeah. You know what I'm? Liam's such a fucking dick and I love it. It's so funny though. It's so funny, man.

Go on anyone that's listening to this. Go on YouTube and just type in Best Liam Gallagher interviews and there's like a It is. You'll be rolling. Yeah, it's so good. Dude, at one point he's like, what would you do if you weren't a musician? He's like, I don't know.

I'd probably be God, something like that. There's what, yeah. There's one where he's like, he got kicked off this flight. I think it was a Qantas flight to Australia and he was getting interviewed the next day and he didn't have a shirt on. He was telling, it's like, I'll tell you kids,

I'd rather walk. Like, fly Qantas. And he's like, I'll stab that captain if I see him it's so good. Oh my God, dude. He is a funny fucking dude. Yeah, no, I'm a big. So do you get, are you a big music guy across the board?

Is it just out? Music is a big part of my life. I'm not like great. My parents kind of fucked me. Because I know I would have been good at anything I did, but they didn't really place musical stuff in front of me. It was sports, but I know like I have it in me. to be a front man, but they didn't offer that for me.

So they get the tour instead, you know, unbelievable. That is interesting to think about that, right? You're like your brain was probably wired in a way for you to be like obsessively good about something for sure. How did you know that you were going to be good at golf? Like what, what clicked? When high school, I played everything. I was pretty good at everything.

Basketball. man if I would have kept if I like I'm six foot if I would have had like three more inches and and gave everything I had into basketball like I did golf at a certain point maybe things or baseball maybe things would have been different but I'm I'm just one of those guys that I know there was no backup plan for anything like it was going to be a tour this is just going to work this is going to work out. Yeah. Cockiness.

Yeah. Confidence. Maybe. You need it, though. I hate that word cockiness, like, or arrogance. I would say confident, yes. But yeah, but I think cockiness in a good way, right? Like, you are, yeah, it's most confidence.

People tell that same story where they say there was no backup plan. Like if you had said, oh, if I don't do this, I'm going to be, you know, I'm going to sell insurance or something. It doesn't work that way. You just have to say, I'm going to make this work. I'm going to play golf professionally. and there is no other option. So the only option is success. And it sounds like that's what you did.

Kind of, yeah. I didn't know it is. Like, you know, in high school, they'd bring in a speaker. And it'd be like, how many all think you're going to play professional sports? People raise my hand. And it would be like, well, what if I told you less than, you know, whatever percent? And I would be sitting there and be like, man, fuck this guy. Like, what is he talking about?

You know, like, come on. You're like wrong. See, that's what that's the confidence that you're Whatever, loser, you're speaking to us. Great. That guy was just, he was just a part of the statistics that didn't make it. And now he's walking around. So other people don't have the chance.

Yeah. Yeah. Shit, man. Poor bastard. So when's, when's the first TV gig coming up soon? So Sea Island. So Sea Island. It's in a couple weeks.

I'm doing that. And then I'm doing the father-son event, which is right before Christmas, I believe. It's like the guys who are in like the Hall of Fame and their kids. That'll be interesting. Sea Island is, that'll be easy for me. I've played that course a million times. I know everyone that plays on our tour.

And the father's son will be interesting. I'm going to have to do some homework for that. Charlie and Tiger lit that one up last year. Yeah, they did. God, I wish you was playing this year. How awesome was that, though? Little Charlie being like, we're good, pick it up. every time on the T-box.

Oh, yeah. Bring your putter. Do they give you, is it like, do you do a lot of like prep work? Do you have to go in and like rehearse you? So far, it's been like, how's it work? Show up on Wednesday and that's it. Let a rip. There's a mic.

Bro you into it. Yeah. Yeah, pretty much. If you're good, you're good. If you're not, you're not, I guess. Sink or swim. Yeah. I'm a good swimmer.

you're a surfer. All right. Well, hell, I'm excited. Is there anything you're not good at, except for golf right now? A lot of things. Yeah. Like golf right now?

I'm not like the greatest surfer. I mean, I cannot make an idiot out of myself for sure. But that's kind of what our brand is. We have like, it's being run by like golfers who wish they were better at surfing and like surfers who wish they were better at golfing. It's our clothing brand, basically.

and um no dude i'm not like the best at everything but i'm above average it i'm a coordinated guy and it's funny because you say you say that and then most people that are like that are good ping pong players and then i'm so good at it it's fucking weird that guys that are just like decent at all sports right you can play a little baseball play a little football play a little basketball you're just you excel in ping pong i guess it's just the combination of all the hand-eye coordination for sure i got aggression a bunch of a bunch of a bunch of guys on tour have this machine. It's called the Robo Pong

2050. We have that in the office. It's fucking nuts. Oh yeah. It just shoots the balls. It's a full on workout. Oh my God. I almost had a heart attack. If you do it for 15 minutes, you're drenched. Of course. I love it, man. We used to go, we'd have some battles in the locker room playing ping pong. Just because everyone,

you know, the guy, if you're good at it, there's probably like 10 of us out on the tour that for like regular white guys are about as good as you can get for ping pong and it is a fucking blast who's in your circle of ping pong players Frankie's all

jacked up right like burger burger is really good at ping pong any speed is good Cooch is a good one Cooch is so good it's like not even I mean he's got a lot of he's got a well he's got so much

dude that guy's like a it's like this an octopus and he's got a lot of tennis in his game too. Like his strokes are like they're a little longer. Like he's, he's just got a lot of tennis in his game. Burger has a two-handed backhand in ping pong.

And that will, if you've never seen that coming at you, that will throw you off. Like a guy grabbing, I swear to God, he'll grab two-handed backhand. It's the weirdest thing ever. And you ever swung with two hands with a ping pong paddle?

No. We got to get him in here. No. And he landed. He lands it every time too. humbly you'd see it and you're like what the hell and then it just a holy that would trip me out yeah we used to have my old I don't have anymore but we would at up at TPC in the locker room there's like a lot

of space and there was a table and if it would get cold in the winters we just like set our phone up and video our matches and just some of the most epic rallies ever in there it's so much fun I love it we have to get you guys in here we have a unreal ping pong in our, we call it stool streams where we stream all like ping pong tournaments. We do janga, rock paper scissors. It's like basically a stadium, a turf stadium inside our office. And we have some, like an announcer's booth and shit. We have some battles, man.

So if you got together some guys on an off week, like the best ping pong players on tour and you guys were maybe you guys were playing like, I don't know, Liberty or something, you're in, you're in town. You got to do a tournament. We'll put a full on tournament. Oh, announcers. Dude, there's literally, there's fucking. Hey, that won't be that hard to do.

You just got to make sure everyone's in the area. Dude, there's replays, like, on the net. So, like, when we want to challenge? You can tell. Yeah. It's crazy, man. Slow-mo. Like, we've played some serious games in there, so it's a lot, a lot of fun.

Don't forget about that. Like, make sure you reach out to us. Oh, you know. Hey, bro, I probably will forget. So you don't forget. We will bring it up. It's our job. Well, I'm the biggest forget.

So I tried to throw it on you and then you threw it right back on me. I was a reverse. We'll remember. There was a time in ping pong. I would tell these guys on tour, like, man, if I take my Adderall, there's no chance you will be today at time. Like, there's just no chance. I'm just going to dominate.

Wow. Awesome. That's awesome. All right. Well, good luck and good luck and see that one. Nice talking to you guys. Nice meeting you all. Yeah, this was a pleasant surprise, man.

You were very, just not what I expected. What do you think I was going to be? I don't know. You just never know with guys. I don't know that fucking stuck up. Bagger rice or something. Yeah, bag of rice.

But I knew and we knew as soon as you came running up here from, you know, surfing, you got a great, you got great energy. Great energy. Nice head of hair on you too. You take pride in that, don't you? Yeah.

You're good looking guy. Um, there's nothing in here, bro. This is just the way it is. You got no product in there? I swear to go. I swear to go on.

Yeah. Oh shit. You're blessed. That's just natural surfer hair, huh? I wouldn't even call a surfer hair. It's like, No. Stop.

All right. Turn this thing off. What's fucking there, Frank? Is that what's going on? Before a thing gets fucking weird. You got to fly to Florida to do that. I'll make sure I put my chapsic on. All right. Now we're saying.

It's getting weird now. All right. Thanks for the time, man. Thanks, too. See you. See you. See you, boy. He isn't a walk to tape.

Thank you. Later.