Fore Play - Captain Steve Stricker & Jerry Kelly

Episode Date: February 25, 2021

U.S. Ryder Cup captain and 12-time PGA Tour winner Steve Stricker (53:38) joins the show alongside fellow Wisconsin native and 7-time PGA Tour Champions winner Jerry Kelly. We discuss playing with potential Ryder Cup bubble guys, how to setup Whistling Straits to benefit America, winning Trent’s precious John Deere Classic 3 times, being pro golfers through Wisconsin winters, their golf games now vs 20 years ago and much more. Before Steve and Jerry, we talk Tiger updates and Arizona golf characteristics!You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

Hey, 4Play listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcast, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. We put out an emergency podcast just an hour or two after the Tiger Woods News broke on Tuesday. So if you haven't checked that out, go for it. Or if you don't want to, don't. I know things have changed a lot since then. I would say significantly for the better, which is great. We've got an interesting show today.

We're trying to squeeze it in. Frankie, I know, is commuting. I'm commuting down to Tucson. I'm playing in the pro-am at the Cullagard Classic, which is a PGA Tour Champions. And I'm trying not to say Senior Tour because when they bring you down, I don't think they like Senior Tour.

So I'm trying not to say Senior Tour. But we should have, in theory, on this show later today, I'll be interviewing Steve Strickker, the Ryder Cup captain from Team USA this year, and Jerry Kelly, a couple Wisconsin guys. So we're squeezing into the podcast whenever we can. There's a lot going on, a lot of developments since the Tiger Woods News broke yesterday.

It's been about a full day. Gentlemen, how are we? How are we feeling today? I feel good. Can you do one thing when you interview Steve Stricker because you haven't done it yet? Can you just talk to him about the John Deere Classic? He won that tournament three years in a row, if I'm not mistaken. So he's had a good run at the JDC, the fifth major.

love for you just to mention that to him and so he can then talk glowingly about the John Deere Classic. That would be my wonder request. Tret, am I getting this right? Did he chip in one year to win it or do you hold a putt from off the green? He hold a putt from off the green if I'm not mistaken. That was, yeah, that did happen. I've always found that really hard to do when you got like five, ten feet of fringe and then it goes on a green. Guys like us, we jam that thing 30 feet by, doesn't even get on the green. So I remember that shot. You know what, Tramman asking about John your class in court. All right. I might even I might even text you in a couple hours to remind you because I feel like you might not do it if you happen to quote unquote

forget. So I'm probably just going to remind you throughout the day. But that would be really nice, I think. Do you think that was a hollow promise that I just gave you? It felt extremely hollow. So I want I'm going to put the pressure on you as the day progresses. What time? We'll talk about it. But I'd like you to ask him about the JDC. Okay. I'll bring it up. A reminder that Owens Mixers, they're representing sponsors for the entire year. They're the only company we shouted out on our emergency podcast because they've been with us and we'll be with us through anything that we do. They want to be a part of it. So a big thanks to Owens Mixers.

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He got his sponsor's exemption, and he's incredibly competitive. So it could be a little budding of heads here. Yeah, I've definitely heard that John Smoltz is very good at the game of golf. Have you interacted with him at all before? Is this going to be the first time meeting him? I don't think I have. I think this will be the first time. I think, like, didn't he and Tiger used to play matches?

And Tiger said he would only give him like two a side or something, even in his prime, and they would just have knocked down, dragout matches. So I imagine he's going to absolutely destroy me on the course. But I'm excited. I heard he's a pretty funny guy. and he got sponsors exemption into this thing. Phil's playing. So I don't know if I'm going to run into Phil.

There'll be any Phil interaction. I did get approval. I had to go through the whole process. I got approval from the PGA tour to film with my phone today, kind of whatever happens during the pro-Av. So if I see Phil, I might be like a TMZ paparazzi full my cell phone out and just run after him, but I started asking questions. Yeah, I don't think we talked about in the last podcast or however many podcasts ago,

that this is now going to be. Phil Mickelson's third Champions Tour event and if he ends up going three for three in his first three events, I don't want to say they should ban him from these events but it's going to get to that point but

the flip side of that is he's just not playing very well in the PJ Tour which is why he's playing in these Champions Tour events so he's caught in this weird spot where he's missing a bunch of cuts on the PGA Tour and it's frustrating for him I would imagine and then he goes to the Champions Tour and he

is batting 100. So it's an interesting part of his career right now. It is. I'm letting a thousand, Trets. Hi, guys. It's Frankie here. I feel like I'm a guest on the show.

Because I got to do this more often. We got to do this more often. I don't have a thank you. I mean, I feel like, well, I feel like I guess because I don't have like a video on and it definitely sounds like I'm a guest

coming through the car audio. So thanks for having me, boys. I just wanted to correct you, Trent, it's actually batting a thousand. You said batting 100, that would actually be, in fact, a bad batting average, something of the Gary Sanchez during his slump type of batting average. So I just wanted to make sure that you knew that you said batting 100 and back a thousand. I'm glad you corrected me because I would have gotten many, many tweets of people correcting me,

and I'd rather have Frankie Borrelli correcting me than a bunch of people on Twitter. So I actually appreciate that. Yeah, Frank, you know, obviously don't have our video. on right now because we're driving so we're trying not to be responsible especially in light of the most recent event so no video we're uh we're just i'm just staring at the road speaking to you guys and it's a little bizarre not being able to see you because we've been staring at each other virtually for a year straight but also it was really nice when trent and i could just speak and then frankie it almost felt like we had to hit a button to allow you to speak right there and a lot of people

was sitting home being like, why could this be the podcast every day? Because I get messages every fucking day from like the same people that are like, yo, like, can you let other people on the podcast speak? Blah, blah, blah. And I've actually been responding to them because I like constructive criticism. I do. Even though it probably seems like I don't. I do like to talk to people and make, all right, how can I be better? And I actually respond to this one guy yesterday where he's like, Trent and Lurch didn't say a word yesterday on that emergency podcast. And I just responded to him wrong. Like that's just wrong. Like they all spoke. Everyone

spoke. And he's like, he's basically like you have to consciously think about how much everyone has spoken on the podcast. I'm like, dude, if you're at the bar and you're sitting down grabbing a beer and you're talking to your buddies, like and getting into a heated debate about like Tiger Woods and all these

things that we talk about in this podcast, are you consciously thinking about who hasn't spoken yet or like who has the longest minute running time on like who's had the conversation? No. We're not like, NPR or some shit where we're like, all right, Trenton, now you speak. It's fucking stupid.

Like, we just talk the way we talk. So some days I talk more, some days I talk less today. I'm just going to talk less. I'm just going to talk less. I'm just going to talk about some of the cars. You know what we need to do? And we did get positive feedback on this was when you hosted. We need to mix in a couple more of you hosting because it keeps...

I do speak less when I host. And I don't care when you talk a lot. I think you're very entertaining. And when you start going crazy and running down a hill, I think it's very funny. But if you, when you do host, it puts you on a little bit more of a leash. And it's like, it's just a different version of you. I don't think we want it all the time.

But when you host, it is a different version. I, uh, Frank, I think keep, keep being you, Frank. Yeah. What makes Frankie Frankie Frankie is Frankie being Frankie. So I don't want you to be somebody else. Trent, Trent is right. And that maybe occasionally when we make you host, when your host, you're forced to dish. Like you can't just keep the ball.

You got to dish it. And I think that, yeah, I could. that spice things up. But Frankie, you just keep being you. I also love how, of all the people, the feedback, you're a feedback guy. You get into it with the commenters when it goes to YouTube, when it's on Twitter or whatever. I think that's a good thing. I think that, like you said, it's a very mature thing to be able to take people, especially

because people don't necessarily coat their criticisms in a nice, fluffy, sugary, cute coat all the time. So being able to pull out from some of the shit that people say, positive feedback criticism, we all could be way better. So I think that's a very mature thing of you, Frankie. I appreciate that, Rakes. And I'll end it on this. Everyone, after you listen to this, should go listen to the Kevin Clancy show.

Now we brought him up yesterday because he had a weird tweet. He admitted that he had a wrong tweet, the whole thing, blah, blah, blah, about Tiger Woods. And he had a troll on his podcast yesterday that has been tweeting. at him about his mistakes in his life and blah blah blah blah blah he brings I don't know why I've said blah blah blah blah that much in my life and I've done it not four times the last or seconds but Kevin Clancy

KFC of Barcel Sports had a guy on who's been tweeting at him nonstop to try and basically make him like kill himself or cry like he just wouldn't stop trolling KFC to the point where KFC's like do you want to come on the show and like talk to me about like why you're doing this to me And it is amazing that 100 times out of 100, when you get these people on the other side of their Twitter account, how like, you know what, KS, see, I'm actually like a really big fan of yours.

I just tried to get a reaction out of you. And Kasi's like, well, you tweet at me, like, my ex-wife, my family, you said, like, things about my daughter. Like, yeah, I'm like, what do you want me to say to you? I just like, this is crazy. So if you're, if anyone's out there with these fake burner accounts trying to make people like cry on the internet, go watch that video. it's on YouTube also and just see like if you're that guy sitting in that car talking to KFC about

how he goes home from work and fucking makes burner accounts with him and his buddies and they all laugh about how they got a reaction out of someone because of their Trump tweet. Just take a look in the mirror for a second because that made me feel weird this morning and I also just I think it's really good for people to watch and be like these people live on the

internet and it's horrifying. So that's my little plug for the YouTube page. It is it is horrifying. I think one of the most insightful and hilarious things that you said about it, Frankie, like weeks ago, where you're like, I'm checking my phone and I'm like on the YouTube comments and people are saying horrible things about me. And then like, I set my phone down on the counter and I look up and I'm just in my kitchen like cooking dinner with my girlfriend or with my friend. And like, that is perfect. No, this is real life and I'm actually a person with like I love people

and I care about people and I have emotions and thought. And then when I fucking zoomed my eyes and my attention onto this little screen in front of my face, it is World War III. And people can just get away with and say whatever the fuck they want. So I'm glad that Kevin did that. Yeah. It's such a good. It's so good.

The guy stumbles over his word. Casey's like, why do you do this? Like, what's the point? He's like, yeah, it's just fun with me and my buddies to like get a reaction out of you guys. And he's like, what? I don't get that. Like, I don't get. Like, do you like, why?

watch for, like, do you do any, like, what do you do for fun? So I'm also going through a tunnel right now, so I don't know how that's going to go. You guys take it away. Take it and run, Trent. Well, we should probably talk about Tiger because things have, I mean, we were, we did the reaction podcast so soon after everything had broke that, like, now there's a little bit more, like, Tiger Woods put out a statement himself from this Twitter account. Like, there's a lot more things going on right now.

And I think Rick should set it off the top. It's mostly positive, right? Kind of. Yeah, yeah. No, it is. It is because, you know, people have all gone through now over the last 24 hours for us. It'll be about 48 hours from when the show airs this podcast. But, you know, we've gone from the bottom of the barrel in terms of hopes and expectations where we were all bracing ourselves for the next tweet to be like Tiger Woods killed in fatal car accident. We were all in some small part or large part of your brain or your emotions. You were at least to a small degree expecting or bracing yourself for that. And so now for us to be a day or two later in a place where, you know,

Tiger Woods was responding to the authorities when they pulled up. And then when the guy asked, you know, what's your name? He said his name. He was able to respond. The deputy on site was the first person at the scene. You know, he had a very normal, he said, essentially interaction with Tiger, where he determined that he's not, you know, under the influence. He's not in a position where he doesn't know where he is. He's more or less from kind of the torso up and his head space and all that.

He's fine considering the situation. And now we're at a point where, yes, it seems like the kind of the bottom part of his legs below the knees are in really bad shape. gave a tweet included a lot of stuff about screws and hardware that's got to go in there and there'll be more surgeries and they had to do the um whatever people keep calling it the compartment situation where they had to essentially tear open um some muscle tissue to relieve pressures that means you literally are in a position where you might have to amputate a legs like that stuff's horrible but when you compare that to like i said the very worst of the expectations and what we were bracing ourselves for and you start to you start to you're to look at like people who are kind of comparing it to like Alex Smith or these other terrible leg injuries like brother that ain't as bad as Tiger and his kids might never get to spend time together ever again. So so I think it is mostly positive when compared to the worst of our

expectations that we were bracing ourselves for. Yeah, I think that's right. And I will say, if we're being completely honest about our reactions to his statement that he put out a little after midnight last night. As I was reading it, I very much thought that we were headed towards an amputation situation. Like I, as I was reading the quotes from the, what is it, it looks like, I'm looking at the statement right now, chief medical officer at Harbor UCLA Medical Center, I really thought we were headed towards and we had to amputate the lower right leg of Tiger Woods because, I mean, they're throwing a lot of words at you that seem very, very serious and are very, very serious. So just the fact that they ended with, yeah, we had to open up some of this soft

tissue to release the pressure from the swelling. And we're hoping for like a pretty good recovery at some point. It made me feel very good because at the beginning of the statement, it felt very, very ominous. So I'm just grateful for that. And you're right. Like yesterday, there was a period of time where we didn't know what was going to happen next. It was all so fresh and happening so fast that we didn't know if a statement was coming where it was like, Tiger Woods has passed away. from this horrific car accident. So now that we've moved on to a place where it sounds like his right leg and specifically his lower right leg is in pretty fucking bad shape,

but ultimately he is going to live and things are going to, he'll at least be able to have somewhat of a normal life at least is certainly a step in the right direction. But now we just wait and we sort of see what's next. What is what's going to be going on with his recovery? Is he going to speak at some point? Like now we're in a place where where do we go from here? But as of right now, things are definitely in a better spot than they were yesterday.

I think similar to the Alex Smith situation, I think the next couple of weeks are super important for his, like, future where if he gets infections or these bones, like, don't mold together the right way around the rotting. Like, I was getting a lot of DMs about there's one word in that statement that essentially means, like, a part of his bone fraction to a billion pieces or something like that. So, like, there was one word. And when you look up that word, it's just, like, crushed or destroyed. So that's not good.

And the fact that they had to cut the tissue obviously means that he wasn't getting blood to his ankles. Like, now you've got to think about that stuff. Like, was, like, his ankle and his toes and his feet okay. So I think the next couple of weeks, hoping that he avoid infection, which was the Alex Smith problem. They were afraid that he was going to die post-surgery that he had all these infections in his leg. It was going to go to his heart and stuff. So obviously, you've got to keep. keep Tiger in your thoughts at this point because I think he's still going to be going through it.

Like you've got more surgeries to come and all these things. And it is good news and the fact that like everything from the hip up is okay seemingly. I'm just, I'm really, really nervous about like what that means, like all those words. Like those words are nerve-wracking and we have all these what's up doc people in our DM saying like this is not over. This is just beginning. Which is really scary to think about. It is. It's terrifying to think about. And And on the whole, this sucks. I mean, the whole thing sucks. And the fact that Tiger, who has been through more documented pain and recoveries and injuries than any other person I can remember, the fact that he now has in front of him seemingly the most difficult of them all sucks.

It sucks that, like, you know, we are hoping after the fusion surgery and his comeback that, you know, for the next however many years, 30, 40, 40, 50, 50, 50 years that he could live a relatively, you know, pain free, happy life with his kids and enjoying sort of the back nine of life, as you see the metaphor on Twitter nonstop, but really enjoying that part of your life where, you know, he's made his money, he's had his career, now he really gets to enjoy kind of the fruits of being a person that, like, that lives a happy life, which is, again, like, immersing yourself in your family's life, in the growth of your children, now they're at that age, right, where Charlie and Sam are 11, 12, 13, 14, where like, they become real people and you start to become friends with them. And, like, that's,

that's what everybody wanted for Tiger. And now instead, he's got, you know, what sounds like years in front of him of recovery and surgeries and rehab to get back to a point where he can just sort of walk and maybe engage in more strenuous physical activity. And that's all assuming, like Frankie mentioned, that there's not infections and shit that goes horribly wrong, which it's not uncommon for that to happen. So, like, it's objectively overall a horrible situation. But again, compared to some of our worst fears, you know, seeing those words, non-life-threatening, seeing the statement that comes out that focuses mostly mostly on one leg,

versus two and the bottom half of the leg, you know, things are crushed and it's a lot of screws and a ton of surgeries. What, yes, you know, if it weren't for the seatbelt and even like modern technology and cars, they've gotten much safer, like we're pretty positive. This would be a fatal crash situation. And for him to, I'm not going to say only, but for you to compare them saying, you know, this is a problem area. This type of crash could lead to fatality very often.

And instead, it's a lower half of a lower body situation. I think that compared to the worst of it and the worst of our fears, we're all kind of breathing a little bit of a sigh of relief. And we get the tiger has a long road ahead of him. But he's got a chance and he can live a relatively normal life. And there's a decent chance of, I don't want to say full, but high percentage of recovery, and that's fucking awesome for Tiger Woods overall, I would say.

Yeah, I agree. And obviously the tributes or people have been tweeting and celebrities, other golfers, they've all been talking about Tiger Woods and sending them their best wishes. Did you guys happen to see the sand art outside of St. Andrews? Yeah.

Unreal. I'm looking it up right now because I want to give the guy credit who did it. I'm scrolling this website. I saw that. I thought it was fake at first. like what what's going on here that is how that must have taken that guy did that in a day are you I agree with you I thought it was fake too and I I'm you know at this moment in time I'm pretty sure it's real but it still could be fake although people are definitely talking about it like it's real

looks like uh Rob Ogling is the guy who who did it and for those who haven't seen it it's just right right outside of St. Andrews on the sand it's the tiger woods logo um and then under it it says thoughts and prayers oh and it looks like the guy he looks like he put his Instagram at also on the side of it, which is kind of good for him. Yeah, he got for it on that. Yeah, a little promotion. That's nice.

But that's just like, that's not, you're not going to see that for many other athletes or celebrities, somebody going like, this person means so much to me that I'm going to head to St. Andrews and I'm going to do the sand art. It's gigantic right outside of St. Andrews. And it's just a cool thing. And people, the tributes have been poured in like crazy.

I don't want to, I'm saying tributes like he passed away. luckily he did not but it's i thought that was the coolest one i've seen so far it's just massive also you have feel for that guy because i mean the way tides and stuff worked there that's going to be gone in like a day right i mean that's just going to be gone what wept away swept away it might be gone already who knows yeah it's tough sand art game that's tough get that's tough business that should just disappear it's it's certainly that was more and that art was more like uh crop circles which is more your speed trend like out there in those fucking in the cornfield,

but I don't know how they do that shit, the crop circles and all that stuff. I always thought that was aliens and there was no explanation for it. But apparently, I mean, I still don't really know how they do it. They do aerial shot and get pinpointed and they send out fucking robots.

How do they do that, Trent? Tell us about the crop circles. I don't know necessarily how they do it because the mapping out of it is... Your uncle doesn't do it or anything? In the middle... I've never done it myself, but they just go in the middle of the night

and they take poles and they just mat down the corn. It's not great for the corn, I will say. But there was a stretch in my life and in a lot of people's lives in the Midwest where people just thought that it was aliens. There was no other explanation for crop circles popping up like that in such, like, extravagant designs. It's not like somebody went out there like it was the stall of an airport bathroom and wrote like, fuck you or something.

It was these very intricate. design. For a good soft call 516. Right. What does it say in dumb and dumber?

I forget what is written on the sign of it. What's that? What's a really scary fucking alien movie where they're kind of out in the fields and the crops

and they... Signs. Oh, what a terrifying movie. That was a great trailer. I feel like that movie. I did have a sense

of relief as a small child when I found out crop circles were made by humans. But yeah, this Tiger Woods thoughts and prayers outside of St. Andrews on the sand does have a crop circles feel to it for sure. It is a little bizarre now to use the term and hear the term tributes because that is what was coming in. And I could see someone who may be a tiger hater by Dave or someone being like, okay, this is getting ridiculous.

The guy broke his leg. But you got to remember that at the time yesterday. all we're seeing his fucking aerial shots of the car, we're hearing bad stuff. So I'm into the tributes. I'm very into the, when I saw the San Andreas thing, I mean,

the fact that they put that, they put that much effort in something, that it was like, thoughts of Paris, that was his logo, and then when you could pan out, and you could see the hotel and the R&A headquarters back there by the first tee.

And that gave me legitimate chills when I saw that. And when speaking of the word tribute or whatever you want to say, like being able to express how Tiger Woods has, you know, affected your life or how someone has affected your life or brought good memories to your life, the crash is horrible and everyone would have preferred that it didn't happen. But it is another opportunity to let Tigers see like what he means to all of these people. And I'm sure Tiger sees it all the time or on a pretty regular basis because

when he won the 2019 Masters, people were talking about how much he means to the game and how much he's meant over the course of his career. But it was just another opportunity. He did not die, no, but it was nice to be able to be like, no, this is what this guy actually means to me. And he didn't see, he's not going to see all of it, but he'll see some of it.

And hopefully that brings him some sort of joy in a moment where there's probably not a lot of joy in his life right now. Yeah. Also, I would say, usually when we give tributes, like, the person's gone and they've passed away. So there's a little bit of an element of like, I kind of like the tributes, and then it didn't turn out, obviously that he passed away, that he survived. You know, it's a little bit of, oh, he gets a chance. Like, Shane tried to see all of the tributes because he's still here. And far too rarely do we actually showcase what someone might mean to us,

whether it's a family member or whether it's a celebrity or an inspirational sports figure, whatever it might be. You know, we always wait until they're gone. And then we're kind of like, oh, yeah, we should pay tribute. So I think the tribute's very appropriate right now. I wouldn't say I've reversed course, but I'm super into the tribute because I think you made a great point there, Trent. Thank you. I appreciate that. Yeah.

Tributes a great song by Tenacious Steve, by the way. Just fantastic, comedic, really good music in that song as well. But I actually agree. I like the idea of having a live, like, funerals and ceremonies and stuff. Like, because, yeah, what's the tribute due to the person that's literally dead? You know? I mean, you've got to be pretty, unless you're very spiritual, you know, that's, yeah, that doesn't really, that doesn't do much for me.

If you got, if I were to pass away and then you guys did a big tribute after and I were to even find out about that, let's say I'm up in heaven. I'd find out about that. I'd be like, why didn't those fuckers do that when I was just around? It is. It is interesting that we do that. I guess, I don't know, people get uncomfortable laying on so many glowing compliments on to people, but that shouldn't be the way that it is. I don't know. But I think that we're making a very good point that it's nice that it's unfortunate that something.

as terrible as this had to happen, but at least something good comes out of it where we say, like, yeah, no, Tiger Woods means a lot to a lot of people. Yeah, I agree with that. All right, that's the latest from us on the Tiger Woods situation. We're going just off the information, you know, that we have. And I'm sure more will roll out, and maybe even between now and, you know, when we do another show. So we'll update folks and we'll be reacting to it on social or wherever the hell we can if something big happens, you know, you might get another emergency show from us, but hopefully it doesn't because that could only mean bad things. So hopefully it continues to go relatively well, considering all the situation.

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There's snow all over the place. countries in panic because of shivering, ice cold temperatures. How are you guys feeling about your golf games? You're like mentally swinging? Are you taking shadow swings? Where are you guys at mentally with your golf games? I have been shadow swinging in my apartment just to keep the rust off a little bit. But I'll be honest, I feel pretty good about my game.

I obviously suck really bad, but I know that I'm improving. Now, it's been a while since I've played an actual round of golf because I do live in New York City and it's been covered in snow for a while. But I think the last couple times that I've played or when we've shot videos somewhere, there have been moments of glory that have carried me through this wintertime. So I am eager to get my hands on a golf club on an actual golf course and see how my game is right now. There's going to be rust. There's going to be bad shots. there's going to be bad shots in every round for the rest of my life. But I just need to get that feeling back.

And I think once I get into a rhythm, because we're going to play a decent amount of golf coming up, like you said. And I'm viewing it in a positive way because 2021 is the year that I'm going to become the best golfer I've ever become. I'm going to put in the work. I'm going to do my best. People have been asking for a breaking 100 video series. That is currently in the works. We're working towards that.

So I have a positive outlook on my game in 2021, and these upcoming rounds will sort of be the first taste of what will be the worst rounds of my life this year, but it's going to be built on improvement. So I'm viewing it in a positive light. Okay. I love that. Hell yeah, Trent. Can anyone hear me?

Hell yeah, brother. All right, awesome. Yeah, you sound great. Welcome to the lobby of Barcelona. How are you doing? Hello? Hi, how's it going? So.

Oh, you're Mr. fucking hot. at Mr. Chit Chattie now all of a sudden. Well, well, there's a congregation of people in the main lobby downstairs, which I've never seen before. And one guy gave me the headnotes. Is that how you doing? Yep. I feel really good about my game, to be honest.

I mean, I shout out in 91 at Torrey Pines South in really hard Farmers Insurance, open conditions, kind of. Kind of high winds. It was getting late at night. I feel like if we're with the boys, we're in good weather, you know, good scenarios, good feelings, good vibes. I think I'm going to be feeling pretty good out there as opposed to like the harsh conditions of Torrey Pines.

So I am feeling pretty good going into this stretch of golf right now. I'm going to be honest. And these clubs, I mean, they're trampolines and they're cheat codes. So anytime you have stuff like that, like you're rolling. Yeah, I can't imagine the tantalizing nature of having all of those new clubs, going to the kingdom like we did, getting perfectly fit, having the best, sexiest new equipment tailored to your swing that you can have. And then it's just sitting next to you in your apartment for like a month or two.

That's just, that's got to be awful. You know what it is too? The putting, I haven't gotten used to the spider yet. I feel like the putting is going to take the longest to get used to. It's a totally different part of than I'm used to. So I feel like that's the one that I've been able to practice the most. So that I'm pretty grateful for for like our putting mat that we have. because I feel like once you like aren't comfortable with a putter,

you're left on another planet out there on a golf course. I mean, I have the work short game in the world. I've proven that I can get onto a green and two, around a green and three or on a green and three for par five. Like everything, I usually play the game of golf from the T to the green pretty decently. And then once I'm around it, I just don't play golf. So I want to get really good at putting.

And the spider is starting to feel pretty damn good. So I, because that thing is awesome, man. It's like heavier than I'm used to. I usually never use a mallet. Like everything about the spider is awesome. They gave me this like heavy shaft on it. It's like a fucking heavy putter. It's awesome.

Yeah. I would say the spider, um, look, it's no secret. Like we're all, we've all pretty much been closer to traditional putters like flat, you know, flat skinny, traditional type putter heads or at least closer to that than the spider. and the spider is jarring a little bit when you've been using that, like just visually looking at it. So I thought it was going to be a way bigger learning curve. But we also, like, we just went to the lab at the fucking kingdom.

We had the best experts and the best technology is just telling us, no, this is actually the perfect putter. We'll build it like this with this weight, with this loft, with this lie angle, with this putter head, and this kind of grip because this is how you roll it the best. and we were like, yeah, okay, if you tell me that, just give me that fucking putter and let's do what happens. And the learning curve has not been as bad as I thought.

It's actually, like, it just works. And when you, like, if you're not into it visually or you think it's going to be a wildly different, like when you just see the ball go in from, you know, six or eight feet and in, it's like, oh, I don't give a, like, you know, you can give me a hammer to use it. As long as the ball goes in, I really don't care. So I've noticed that about the spider.

I think it takes a little bit getting used to on like the more lag putting type stuff, but also like I never lag putted particularly well anyway. So I don't know that that matters. But it'll be interesting to see how people handle the spider because I think that's the biggest change from our, you know, club sets. Speaking of the golf we're about to play, I mean, I don't know that anyone knows what we're about to do, but we're about to play some of the best golf courses in the world. That's no, I'm not sugarcoating that at all. That's just we have a really good.

stretch of golf coming up. And I was actually going to ask you, you've been playing a lot of Arizona golf. And a lot of the videos I watch, like the Riggs verse and all these things, like, do you feel like Arizona golf is extremely repetitive? Like every single course looks the same no matter what you do. Yeah. I mean, that was, so that's kind of a big part of the tour and what I'm trying to highlight is that Arizona golf, and this is what I came here with the conception of, and I don't know that it's changed that much. Arizona golf is overall awesome. Like the courses are in great shape because the superintendents,

they have consistent weather. If you give people that are professionals consistent weather, they can just make the course nice and in fantastic shape. But they're pretty similar in that they all have some pretty nice mountain views. They've all got the strips of beautiful, luscious green fairways and green, you know, rough and greens and nice bunkering. and then you get 10 yards off those fairways or so, and it's fucking desert.

And that's pretty much what I assumed every single course out here was like. Now, that course that I just described, like, that's actually an above average course. The average golf course out here is an above average course, but it gets very repetitive. What's cool is there are a handful that are different, but there's also dozens that are pretty much the same. And there's like, I found this course,

Camelback Ambienti course, is the same architects as Aaron Hills. And it's a little bit more down in the valley. And it's got kind of this, you know, the more brown, fescue-type grass covering the bunkers and stuff. And it's way different. This other spot auction where I went like a week and a half or so ago is very different.

And it's more like it's not deserty. If you hit it offline, you're more in trees, kind of like a mix of New England and all that. So there's spots that you can find. but I would say in general, it is repetitive out here. But I also would say, like, I think, I honestly think Arizona golf for the average golfer, the average person is the best town for golf in the country.

And I would say, like, if you, if you're like a rich person that can belong to a really nice country club, you're going to belong to the best course in any city. So it doesn't matter where you go. But when you're in, when you're in Scotty, Dale, like if you're just an average person, you could just go play 20, 30, 40 awesome golf courses anytime you want. Yeah, that is great. Yeah.

No, it is the one thing that I always thought about it is like if you took a hole from every single different course, like you would be able to make one course and no one would really know that there was a difference. You know, I don't know how I really put that to where it's like you could take like, you take the second hole from True North and like a third hole from the one, like another course that kind of looks like that. And you would never know that, like, that third hole wasn't on True North. You could kind of just make an 18-hole course and just say, yeah, this is true.

And know whatever, like, say you're wrong, because they all kind of look similar. But I do, I like the fact that you can find those, like, those diamond in the rough courses, like the Aaron Hills type one, because that probably just sticks out so much more. I guess just like Northeast and, like, New York, New England, every course has its own character, and they're totally, totally different. Like when you stay on the first tee, you don't know what you're going to look out at. It could be up in the hills with like a bunch of crazy foliage trees or it could be a completely just links course with ponds all over the place and stuff. So yeah, no, I just wanted to get your take on like if it's felt like Groundhog today a little bit.

No, no, 100%. And again, like that was my take coming in and I don't even know that it's changed that much. It's essentially like in order to rate one of them better than the other. It's like, yeah, instead of awesome views on nine holes, they actually have awesome views on like 13 holes. So that one's a little better. But overall, the courses, you're 100% right and that you could pick the first hole. You could pick like the first hole from one course, second hole from another course there and do 18 different courses. Put them all together.

And no one would realize that they're different courses. Like it's, whereas if you took the second hole at Beth Page Black and then like, the third hole at Shinnecock Hills, even though they're only an hour or so apart and they're on the same island, like, people be like, this is a different planet. Right. Right. Right. Right. So, yeah, I think, again, I think overall, it's such good golf. And there's so much space, right? You're in the fucking desert. Like, we're not supposed to be out here. So there's a lot of space. And yeah, golf is expensive out here.

Like the average public course is not cheap. But like my hometown in St. Louis, like there's almost no great public golf options. There's there's some solid courses. There's definitely some solid courses. But like overall, there's nothing that for the for the average person who if you want to go out on Saturday and splurge back, we're going to go play that awesome course. Like you either need to be a member at somewhere sweet where you probably need to drive down to like, Branson and play the big cedar courses. Whereas out here, you know, there's a million

option. If you're from Long Island, you can go and be like, dude, we're going to do a Bethpage Black day or we're going to do a fair and point day. We're going to, you know, there's like amazing golf courses that you have access to. Whereas, you know, not every city is like that. Arizona, I would say, is really cool in that you can go play a golf course that it would be in a lot of people's like top 10 that they've ever played. And you can just go book it, you know, on a Monday and play at that Saturday, and there's like 20 of them, which is really, really fucking cool, and I didn't really realize until I got out of here. I'm sitting in front of a hockey net right now, and I have to bring up, you know,

yesterday I had another roller hockey game, and I got together with the boys, the outcasts in Division E of the skate safe indoor roller hockey arena. And I said, you know what, boys, I'm going to score one for Tiger today. And I was real confident, like real fucking confident. You know, it was my, it was my tribute game. And we went out there, we got absolutely fucking dogwalked. I mean, we lost 8-1, and I think the one goal we scored, the other guys just gave it to us because they felt really bad. I mean, I think I was a dash six.

I was a problem out there. I was exposed. We played a very good team who clearly knows that to play hockey. They were going around the fucking zone. I think at one point they had five minutes of offensive zone time, just straight. And I was stuck out there to the point where people on the bench were screaming. for me to get back on the bench like I was a child. Like I almost put the team. I almost skated right off and just left because I was getting

screamed at like a child to get back to the bench. They're like, you have no more legs on you and you're just a problem out there. They're basically just skating around you and passing around you as if you're not there. So that was bad. I sat on the end of the bench and just kind of looked away from everyone. I was just like, don't look at me right now. I'm exposed. The ref is a huge four play fan.

He's like chirping me the whole game being like, oh, like I fell at one point, like trying to keep a puck in the opposite zone. and I went so hard towards the boards. I just felt. And the guy's just like, tough one, Frankie. I'm like, fuck you, bro. Like, this is fucking bullshit. I'm not here to fucking just get a nice, like, heart rate going.

And you guys are all fucking making me feel like I'm incompetent and an asshole and unathletic, which I guess I am in all aspects. But it was a tough one last night. So bad day all around. Not saying it's comparable to what happened to Tiger, but I'm just saying it's just a bad day. The league has been a real roller coaster because the last time we spoke, to you about it. You said this was the best day in your life. I'm going to play role or

hockey. I'm going to be in a men's league for the rest of my life. I'm having the most fun ever. I think you guys won like 10 to nothing. And now, last night, it sounds like you almost cried on the bench. So I don't know. I hope, hopefully things start to turn in a better direction going forward. No goals yet, Frank, I assume.

No goals yet for you? Zero. No points yesterday. No goals. Four games played three assists. I'm probably, I'm probably, I've probably been on the ice for more goals against than four now at this point after yesterday. Dude, at one point, I was a left wing and we were in the defensive zone. We were getting worked. And I was like, all right, the problem with me is I try and play roller hockey.

This is my fourth ever game, like ever playing like legitimate, like real hockey with a team and structure and rest and stuff. So I do everything the way I've watched hockey. I'm trying to emulate things that I've watched my entire life. So I was the left wing. The center won the face off back behind the net. I grabbed the puck. And I'm like, all right, usually the other defenseman goes behind the net on the other side. And I'm able to backhand him a pass.

And now we move it outside of the zone. So I did that kind of. And no one was over there because it's fucking men's league roller hockey. Who's playing systems like that? And the other team just took the puck and scored. And everyone looked at me like, oh, like that was brutal. I just, I mean, we won the face off. I handed it to the other team and they just put it in the empty net.

So, yeah, it was a really embarrassing game. Like, I don't know if you've ever been a part of those races. You're actually a hockey player, but I was just the person that was exposed yesterday. No. Everyone knew it was me and it was bad. It is a, it is a very interesting dynamic that you, you are basing your play off of only watching the best players in the world play who are like, have the best systems and have the best, because you will get fucked with that.

Like there's a reason when guys come back in fucking September every year for training camp that they're like, oh, we got to get these summer hockey habits out because like playing mentally and all that. Everyone's just pushing forward. Everyone's looking for a breakway or a two-on-one. Nobody's doing fucking reverses behind the net after winning a face off in the defensive zone. So you're going to get exposed and screwed in that. But I get what you're like, they're looking at you like that was brutal.

And you're like, no, I was actually a sick NHL play. you guys just couldn't do it. The rep actually looked at me. It's like, they're actually should have been the best in there, but not here. I was like, all right,

that kind of makes me feel better. But yeah, I should have just, like, turned around and just hit the guy who was just waiting by the opposing net, like waiting for just an open, like,

breakaway. Like, that's more our speed. So I'm learning the game. I haven't. We got worked. I mean, we were on a three-game winning streak

and now we lost eight-one, so you got to get back on that horse. I'm probably going to miss the next couple of games because we're playing the best golf courses in the world, but that's nothing to cry about, something to sneeze at. I'm ready to play some golf. Yeah, we'll probably get more into it next week, I guess, on Tuesday's show. We'll tell people a little bit more about what's coming up,

because I imagine we've teased, we've tickled their little nuts sacks a little bit with where we're going. But we'll get more into that next week as we get closer. We don't like to jinx anything. You know, we always do that with guests, too. You don't like to talk about having a guess before you have them. You don't like to talk a ton about what you're doing, where you're playing, before you're really right there on the doorstep and it's absolutely happening. So we'll get more into that next week.

But we do have a lot, a lot coming up, a lot to film, a lot that's going to be on social. And I think people are going to be pretty jacked up about it. Before we go and before we throw to these potential interviews that you're doing today, I want to wish a very happy birthday to the one and only Zach Johnson. He turned 45. All right. Let's just go to. No, no, no.

No, wait. You're going to like this. You're going to like this. So happy birthday. to Zach Johnson, 45, you know, the needle. We talk about him a lot on this show. He means a lot to me. He means a lot to the city of Cedar Rapids.

So, you know, two-time major winner, Augusta National, that's a golf course you've heard of. St. Andrews, that's another golf course you've heard of. So happy 45th birthday to Zach. And in honor of Zach Johnson, in honor of his birthday, if your name is Zach, I want you to subscribe to the YouTube channel. It doesn't matter if your name is Zach and it ends with an H or if it ends with a K. if your name is Zach, in honor of his and Zach Johnson's birthday,

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We're going to throw it now to the 2021. I guess he was 2021 and 2020 Ryder Cup, even though the 2020 Ryder Cup did them, United States of America, team captain, and another Wisconsin native. Two of these guys know each other for a long time. They're very, you know, they're very good buddies, been doing the damn thing. So we chat with them together. It's Steve Stricker and Jerry Kelly. You can't clap better than that?

We can start that way. That's fine. That's the tone that you would like to set right out of the beginning. We're joined for the first time, both of you guys, never been on the show before. Steve Stricker, Jerry Kelly, a couple of Wisconsin guys. We're here in Tucson, Arizona, the Colgard Classic. You guys know each other for a long time, right? Yeah, a long time. Yeah.

Back to junior days, junior golf days in Wisconsin. Is it weird sometimes to look and be like, man, it's been that long and we're still out here doing this? Yeah, no doubt. For sure. He had hair back then. Well, don't, I mean, you can't be taking shots. He's got better hair than I do. A bunch of bullshit.

No, it's crazy that we both have done this as long as we have. I mean, we had to be 12 at least, maybe even, you know, the junior golf days in Wisconsin, they had the kids playing early in a bunch of tournaments. So it's crazy that we both got out here. What is it like in Wisconsin as a kid playing golf? the season's short and, you know, you're, as a golfer, you're a nut, you're always hungry to play. Was it tough? I mean, you know, Steve, you're kind of famous for hitting balls in Wisconsin in the winter and all that,

but was it tough or you just switch sports? Well, I play basketball, so that was my winter sport. And then, you know, but as soon as, you can probably attest to this too, where as soon as you had any amount of green grass or brown grass, you know, if it showed, you went up there and hit balls off of it, even if it was frozen a little bit. but as soon as the snow left the ground, you were trying to hit golf balls out into the snow, go find them, go pick them up and do it again. But I think that was an advantage for us.

You're looking back, and I think that's why we've had these long careers is we're still pretty fresh. You know, I mean, I shouldn't say we're fresh. I respect that's confident in me. Yeah, we're way fast. But, you know, we're still hungry to do it because we still get away from it. We still have that wintertime where we want to get away from it, at least I do. and then we're hungry to come back when the weather gets good and play. I'm going to add to that because it's a huge thing,

and some of the kids got to know this, that sometimes I improved more when I was thinking about it over the winter than when I was doing it over the summer. You know, your brain can play a huge role in it. I was always playing hockey during the winter. I played on the soccer team as well. So, I mean, I love the end. and kick the ball?

I did run. I did run. And let me tell you, when it was 30 degrees and we were playing soccer, I did not want to take the shot of, you know, the penalty shots were not fun. Well, it's interesting because, you know, we represent, right, the average kind of weekend golfer. And it's a wide spectrum of talents. And it's a wide spectrum anytime you go out, anything could happen. And it's a known thing that a lot of times that first round after the winter break or your first round without playing two or three months, you hit it great. And as you're going, what that?

hell like holy shit how did this happen like i don't i thought i wouldn't be able to hit the ball and play and i'm hitting it better and then two three weeks you get into the golf season you start thinking there's some bit and it turns into a nightmare so i i think to a lot of people that makes sense that just thinking about your game all winter all of a sudden you might get a little better doing that if if we could even us if we could play with pictures instead of pieces and ideas and just you know positions, just take a picture of a fluid swing. Now, wasn't that Guyberger with Cybervision or something like that? Yeah, it works.

It's incredible how that works and how kind of the mind works with golf. And it's always fascinating to me, again, to hear from professionals, guys have been doing a long time, that you go through the same stuff. It's just on a different level. Yeah. The only problem is Cybervision, I've watched you putt for a long time, and it still doesn't work for me. Other than that, it's good.

Why do you, you know, I was going to ask about there's, I feel like every, every year or so there comes out and others to like, oh, this guy got a putting lesson from Steve's tricker on the career. And like, what, you're just out there chit-chattie? Like, what's, how come this is always happening? You know, I don't know. I've had a lot of guys ask me over the years to help them out, take a look here and there. You don't know? Well, I mean, I guess they like what they see. I make some putts here and there.

But yeah, you know, it's flattering, really. You know, and I'm all for helping. You know, I've helped this guy. He's helped me, you know, and that's kind of the nature of our sport, too. And the cool thing about our sport is that even though we're competing against each other, we can take a look at each other. We've played a lot of golf with each other, and you can kind of help the other guy out from time to time.

Can you immediately diagnose putting issues? I'm very basic. I mean, I don't have a lot of deep theories, you know, and that's kind of the type of person I am, too. I'm pretty basic and plain. And it's the same thing with my putting. It's pretty simple. I look at the setup a little bit, look at the blade position, maybe hand position, and the path of which the club is going back on.

And you can pretty much help a guy out just, you know, in those basic little things. Yeah, it's always interesting to me, the kind of go back what you guys were talking on earlier, of the camaraderie in golf because I imagine not everyone is always willing to share because you're competing against one another. I mean, are there known people out there that hide their secrets or keep the cards closer to the chest? I mean, the guys are out there, but you can still break through, but you have to be willing to come to them and possibly bug them more than once or twice in the best way you know how

that you can break down those barriers. Somebody's just not going to offer up something they do great to you. Right. And poke and broad a little bit. Yeah, I mean, the young guys have to be willing to come out and actually be strong enough to ask for help. That's sometimes hard. Yeah, and the best players in the world,

I've played with Jack, you've played with Jack. We both played with Tiger. I played around with Jack, Nicholas Durrell one year, and I'm hitting it sideways off the T. And here's the best player, you know, potentially that has ever played the game, right? And he's like, hey, I'll meet you on the range when we're done. You know, we're signing our scorecards. And I'm like, what do you mean?

He's like, I want to help you. So, I mean, he just offered that up straight away. And we go over and I slapped it around in front of him on the range for a little while. That's incredible. Were you like, I mean, I guess you guys have been together all day. You knew him. You're like nervous to go over the range? I'm like, man, he's really going to look at my action right now.

Well, and he'd been watching me hitting it sideways. all day, so he probably was tired of seeing him. He hit it sideways. But that's the type, just to point out that that's the type of guys that we're dealing with, and here's the best player that ever played the game, willing to give up his time and go help you. And it was a Friday. I had made the cut barely, and he had missed the cut, and he was willing to, you know, take that extra bit of time to help me out. So now, you know, that that camaraderie to me is something that a lot of players that come out to the PGA Tour champions talk about and how fun it is and how enjoyable it is.

You both been very successful. Jared, I believe seven wins. Steelblee five wins out here. How, you know, I guess how different is it out here in terms of that vibe than maybe on the PGA door? I think we grew up in a little bit of a different time. There were a few guys who kept it close to their vest, but I think in general a lot of us track.

traveled together, you know, even sharing rooms back in the mini tours together. There was, it was like a traveling circus, the way we went around. It wasn't as much of a business, and you're off in this private jet, and you're off in that private jet. I mean, we were busing it together and getting places, and it might have brought us a little bit closer, and we're able to kind of revisit that now. in this one where it became that business. But now it's like, okay, we can actually reward ourselves for what we did and enjoy golf again.

Not that the struggle and the strife is not enjoyable, but this is really fun out here. Right. Even though it's pretty intense competition. I mean, the guys are playing great right now. Yeah, there's a lot of good play out there. You know, we're at the Caligord Classic. and I didn't necessarily know a ton about it and coming to this. I'm looking at what they've done.

I could try to explain it to people, but you both are significantly more connected to it and have a deeper history with it. So could you guys speak to sort of this event, Colagard, and what they do? Yeah, I'll take the first lead on that one. This is basically Kevin Conroy, CEO of Exact Sciences. we just got together one day.

He was actually going to a funeral of a relative from this disease. And I was like, this is crazy. I mean, this is one of your relatives. How do they not know and get tested and all this? I'm like, we've got to get the word out. And we just started a partnership, and then next thing you know, it turns into a golf tournament. And I just met this morning the first time,

Scott, who emailed and said, I went to the tournament last year. I had no clue what Coligard was. I went to my doctor. He brought up Colagard. You should probably do that. Next thing you know, he has a positive test. Coming to the Colagard tournament, getting screened,

that screening, early screening, help save his life. And that is a fact. And it gives me the chills up and down my back. but that is bringing home what this tournament is. Not as much of a golf tournament is a vehicle to really get the word out. And the guys have just hopped on board incredibly. I've got behind this and the stories from the survivors that come out. I mean, the interaction with the guys has just been fantastic.

It's amazing. And that story, I'd heard that story earlier. And it's funny because, you know, I go to, different tournaments we all do and they ask you to promote a product but it's like this is just really promoting awareness and a good cause that can save lives and that story is such an unbelievable example of that from someone that just came last year and and you know so I guess it's if you're 45 plus coligard is very simple it's not invasive and you uh you should get screened because the the chances of you know of survival and of having a way better outcome increased dramatic

the earlier that it's detected. And again, for someone like me, I didn't know anything about it either. I had no clue. Yeah, this is the awareness that we need. The more you actually get the word out and people start talking to family members, they start talking to friends, just about everybody has been touched in some way, positively or negatively by this disease. So ask questions, ask your family, ask your parents, ask your grandparents,

you should know that family history to know that if you need to dive in earlier to be screened if you've got a family history and some things going on. So it is no time to wait. A great friend of mine last year, Robbie Andringa, we had him in the proam last year in March. He was diagnosed at 48 years old with stage 4 colon cancer, waiting for that 50-year-old limit that they had before. Now they have since changed that to 45. We lost him in May after that March pro-am,

three years after battling from 48. This disease, if 45 would have been the age, he might be here right now. So we just don't want that to happen to you, your family members, our friends, anybody out there. So many people have supported us over the years. It's just one of those ways that we're able to give back. And Coligard is a back of a way to give back.

Well, it's an amazing vehicle. The awareness is incredibly important. So you guys are doing an awesome job. And I'm excited to watch this weekend. It's going to be very fun. Steve, let's turn to the Rider Cup. Obviously, it's been a crazy couple years. You've been extremely involved in the Ryder Cup for a long time now.

How are you as the leader? You know, where are you at? Where's your headspace? How focused are you on it? And how has everything kind of been to handle over the last couple of years? Yeah, you know, once the PGA of America canceled it last June, you know, went off my radar, really. You know, I stopped thinking about it.

You know, there wasn't really much to do. We had everything kind of done up to that point and ready to go. And now, again, you know, the last couple weeks I've been on phone calls trying to pick up where we left off last June. And unfortunately, we've done most of the work. You know, we're prepared up to this point. And now from this point forward to the end of August when the point stopped, basically all I have to do. do is kind of watch these guys and watch them play and see who's playing well and, you know, take care of other little things that pop up here and there. But, you know, it's been a long process.

It lost more hair, I think, in the process of it all. But it's been interesting. I'm ready to get it done and over with. I'm ready to win that thing and bring the cup back home. I know that. It's always a big storyline with, you know, so-and-so who's on the bubble or potential to play. played with the Ryder Cup captain. Do you ever, like, just mess with guys? You ever walk by somebody in the range, they hit a shitty shot? You're just like, ugh.

You know, I'm like trying to rattle him a little bit. I don't, but there's guys that will do that for me as I walk by. Jerry would be one of those guys, too. But, you know, I play with Brooks Kepka a couple weeks ago, Zander a few weeks ago. So it's been good. You know, I've been out there playing with them and seeing how they're playing and trying to compete with them as well, so it's been good.

So like I said, I got to say, I texted Kevin Kisner, and I said, hey, you know, I'm sitting down with Steve, and you got anything I think you think I should ask him. He said, yeah, ask him about the putt I made on the last hole at Colonial, and then looked at him and said, do you like good putters on your team? I've always told kids that he will never be a pick. He's going to have to earn his way by points only. He'll never be a pick.

It's good. He does, yeah, nobody needs his ego up there. I don't know if that's good for the team, bad for the team. You know, whistling straight. So I was out in Paris and it was, there's obviously a European, just trying to set it up for their advantages and when it was tight. And it was, our guys were kind of struggling off the tea. How real is that the setup advantage and how much do you focus on that? It's very real.

And that's, that's what the, that's what. they do on a yearly or a biennial basis over there, and that's what we do here. You know, we'll widen the fairways, play with a little bit less rough, maybe a touch more rough up around the greens, you know, and try to get away from the runoff areas, you know, like they're used to and make it more like what we play week in and week out on our tour. I like that. I mean, I'm Team USA guy. So, you know, Whistling Straits, right, we're used to seeing it in major championship

condition, are we going to see a little bit of a different whistling straights? No, I mean, a little bit different, but it'll be, I mean, you can't change everything. You know, we've changed some fairway wits probably a little bit and a couple other things here and there, but it's going to look pretty much the same from when we ever, when we always see it. So I have to ask you, too, about one of our co-hosts, Trent, who can't, he's not here today, but he's Iowa guy, and he loves the John Deere Classic. It's his favorite thing in the world. You've obviously won there, I believe, three different time, three years in a row.

You know, if he were here, how important would you say the John Deer Classic is to him? Because, again, it means the world to him, so does it also mean the world to you? You know what? It's a big part of my career, for sure. It was a special place that I look forward to going to every year. And, you know, it felt like home. Jerry's played there. You can attest to that.

It just felt that you could get in your car and drive down there if you wanted to. a four-hour drive or whatever it was, three and a half hours, and, you know, great people in that area, hardworking people, blue-collar people, and a lot of the same of where we grew up. So it's a special place for me, for sure, and I have a couple of John Deere pieces of equipment that I look at quite regularly that remind me of how special it is. What do they send you? What do they give you when you win? Well, I always upgraded, so it always cost me money. You know, I bought some tractors along the way, farm equipment.

So, yeah, so that is. It always, some of that money always went back to John Deere. Not all of it. Not all of it. No. No. No, that would be a crazy town. So what?

They give you like a certain, hey, this is the value that you're like, well, I'm kind of like a nicer tractor? Yeah. I like that. That's a good move. That's a very good thing. I can see you in a combine. It wasn't quite a combine, but there are some farm tractors. We do some deer hunting, and so we've got to plant some beans and corn and stuff like that.

So you got to have a tractor plant it. I was going to ask who's operating these tractors. I'll get on there occasionally, but I got a buddy friend who helps me out a lot. All right. Those, you know, those types of being able to get in your car versus taking a flight. How, you know, how much does that comfort level help out on tour? That's huge. We just got a place in Phoenix area.

And for me to just hop in and just throw everything I need in the car. You know, you don't have to pack up the golf clubs. You don't have to, you know, have everything neatly packed and stuff. into your bag. You can just kind of toss some clothes on top and off you go. I mean, it's a huge comfort factor when you get somewhere and you unload that way rather than airport and all the normal rigamaroon. We go through on a weekly basis. It's just so nice to actually be there. Yeah. How different you guys think your games are now to win you were in your late 20s, early 30s? Boy, I don't think they're that different.

I'll tell you the truth. We hit it further now, probably. That's true. That's true. Probably crazy. Technology? Yeah, technology. Totally.

Golf ball, drivers. I think we've gotten it done. I mean, we've always taken instruction and shored up weaknesses here and there. I've got a lot more weaknesses to shore up. So it's been getting better later for me. but, you know, the basics of everything that we've done have stayed pretty consistent. Even through teaching, we're both very good at not jumping around at that as well. So even going through different ideas, our same basic model, I feel, has stayed pretty consistent in the years.

Yeah, and our games are fairly similar. You know, we control the ball, you know, and we, uh, hit a lot of fairways. We try to, you know, not get into too much trouble and, you know, get it around the golf courses, I think, you know, we're not big bombers, you know. We don't hit it super far like the kids nowadays do, so you've got to do other things to try to compete and try to beat them at a game that we're not familiar with, you know?

So I believe waste management, you finish tie for fourth, I think, Steve, and, you know, the names that are up there is the type of golf that you're talking about. It's Brooks Kevigua, Xander, and these guys. that hit the ball, you know, how, is that surprising to you that you can still on that level? Because everybody's going crazy, right? With Bryson, everybody's talking about, wow, the distance is ruining the game. And it's like, well, you guys both just told me you're kind of playing the same game and you're still out there, you know, able to compete and you come up a shot or two short from those guys. Yeah, you know, it surprised me a little bit because I hadn't really shown that, but I've been feeling better about my physicalness, I guess.

getting stronger and getting to a point where I can swing at a little bit better. So that's been a plus. And then, yeah, just keep working at it. You know, I mean, it surprised me there because I haven't really played all that well there in years past. You know, I think I only had one other top 10. But, you know, you get in that position, and you remember what you did in that position years ago when you won a golf tournament. So it's not like you're a fish out of water, you know, you get in there and you relish that. that opportunity and and almost if I could have made a few putts on the weekend I could have won the thing but um

it was fun it was fun getting back in the mix again it's cool that that fire still yeah you know I could see it when you talk about it you're like I would have made a couple more putt's yeah yeah and that's that's really cool and and uh I'm used to it now and it's like you know they'll be on the cover of me we haven't seen Steve stricker he's been snowshoeing in wisconsin or whatever in months and oh buddy's in you know he's tied for six and you're like well yeah of course he is so well I fool a lot of people too We spend a lot of time in some warm weather places, too. I'm not always in Wisconsin. No, that's a good storyline.

We'll just go with that. What's the most nervous you guys have ever been over a golf shot? Me, probably a combination. It's not the shots to win or to tie or anything like that. It's the first shots. The first shot at the President's Cup in South Africa, and the first shot I ever hit at Augusta. Those two right there, I wasn't sure if I was going to actually hit the ball.

But it turned out. You know, you just learn to enjoy that adrenaline. When you're playing well, you're playing well. You're not afraid of anything. You're just going and getting it. Steve? Same thing. Exact same thing.

First shot at Augusta. Actually, my legs were. shaking. I can remember that. Oh, yeah. And then the first team competition as well, for me, was a President's Cup team and very nervous in the first opening T-ball. Because you're playing with a partner, too, in those team events. And it's like you don't want to, you know, you don't want to snap hook it or, you know, slice it out of bounds or something, you know? So, you know, you got that and you're wearing the red, white, and blue, which always means a lot to all of us. And so there's a lot of pressure in those team events. I was going to say the first hole at the shark shootout every year.

Do you guys still get nervous? Yeah. Absolutely. We just define it as adrenaline. You know, if you can't control the adrenaline or at least relish it, then it will turn into nervousness and feel. But if you don't feel those butterflies, if you don't feel that adrenaline coursing through your body,

you're not ready to play. You know, we try and actually go work out a little bit right before to try and bring that up. even higher so you're ready to go but uh still feel it that's cool which is that's that's why you guys are still doing it and doing it well which is great um you know we talk a lot like you said we're just amateur golfers but we you know there's moments where we get so nervous that you just you have no answer like we for us especially if your swing already sucks and you're like okay well now what am i'm nervous what do you guys have a um a trick or a mechanism or something that's

like, okay, I know I'm nervous. However, through years of experience, here's something that I can do, whether it's fundamental or what can you think about? I think just breathing right, you know. That's all I was going to say. Yeah, and just taking a couple deep breaths and just realizing all the time you put in, you know, on the range or on the putting green or whatever the shot is that you've done it a million times, right?

And you just let it happen. You know, let your natural ability take over, you know. But I think breathing is a big deal and just putting a good thought in your mind before you hit it. Learning how to breathe as well. I mean, breathing low is something real. If you try to chest breathe and you see somebody's chest going up, you know, you pretty much got them. They're going to tighten up in that spine and tilt around. Wait until you see me in my apartment now, I'm going to be like,

trying to breathe right fellas this is about breathing right well a couple of wisconsin guys and um we really appreciate you taking the time uh good insight good intel on the tournament and coligard and what they're doing and uh good luck out there this week we appreciate it thanks for having appreciate thanks for having us get tested