Fore Play - Crying Pain & Planet Killers featuring Steve Wilkos

Episode Date: November 1, 2022

We’ve got multiple serious injuries among the crew. A “planet killer” was spotted hiding behind the sun. Steve Wilkos, the former head of security on Jerry Springer and current host of his own show, joins (01:39:46). LIV hosted its yearly finale at Doral in Miami, featuring match play, huge payouts, and leaving us discussing our thoughts on year one. We also get into: planes, coffee, fan love and more.You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

Hey, 4Play listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcast, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. So when I was on the Springer show, like, the crazy stuff would happen, like, you know, there'd be a fight in one time a guy's shirt got ripped off and they had one beautiful female breast, right? So, like, I'm like, what the hell? You know, like, that's the kind of stuff that had that Springer, you know? For Play brought to you by Barstool Sports and presented as always by our very good friends at Chevy. We got a big show today.

We are back. We're back kind of back each in our own in our own places. I'm in Arizona. You guys are all back in your own places up in the Northeast. We're kind of done with our aggressive filming. We're done with Barstool Classic until the championship. We've gotten through a lot. Now all the onus is on the editors.

They just have a bazillion things to edit over the next like six months. videos-wise, do we have, so I know the Advantage video is out already, people can go watch that. Dude, I see that we have Scotland returning on Thursday. Is that correct, Bush, man? Yep. Wow.

And we're putting out, I think, today, or yesterday when you're listening to this, the Queen City Classic recap of a tournament that we just kind of put together within a month. We sold the thing out in two minutes. This was in... We're big in Charlotte. People love us in Charlotte.

Yep. It was a fun day. It was a fun day. That was a fun day. So that video's out. And then also we're back in Scotland. Let's like get this Scotland thing. Revin again, because these are some of the best videos we've ever put out.

The drone work, the fucking cinematography of this place. All the audio sounds amazing. The visuals are insane. Really good matches. Really good matches. Came down to the wind. Yep. So let's get this thing revving up again.

Like I want to make sure this is on everyone's TV. You're looking at it in a really good like setting because it's beautiful. It's one of our most beautiful series we've ever shot. Crail Gophic Society. Is that where we're at today? coming out or on Thursday coming on I think we're at Crail so I think it's Crail which is like the old I have that on my fucking flag back here what does it say 1786 Crail Golfing Society yeah if you if you folks anybody watched on YouTube Frankie has a new beautiful background um he just put up a bunch of stuff on the walls and it looks really nice I was gonna ask if this is a different room or if this was a permanent switch same room just swapped everything around moved like the couch around so everything's just kind of new and I got some more work to do but I got some more work to do But you know what I was doing is I would put them up and it's fucking hard to get them all to be perfectly aligned and everything. So hard. So like that took me forever. But then as I put up three, I would like knock in because I was using a bunch of these fucking little anchors because they don't want to fall off the wall.

So I was using all these anchors. And as I'm hammering the anchors in, they're falling down. And I didn't realize like because I had to line them all up. And then once I'm lining them up and doing the anchor. So the master's one fell and shattered all over the place. The only one without glass. which is not good. But it was, yeah, it was a hell of a day trying to put those things up. Well, look, it looks nice. We have Steve Wilco's who was the head of security for the Jerry Springer show. And then obviously it spun off for the last 15 years into his own show.

He's a big golfer. He's got an amazing story of literally taking a gig on the side as an off-duty police officer to make like $35 an hour being part of the security for the Jerry Springer show. At the time, they're like, oh, yeah, just talk show. And now he's obviously been massive in entertainment. for decades. So we get into his stories, big golf guys. We talk a lot about a golf.

That's coming up at the tail end of the show. So go check out our YouTube page. We got the Avalanche video. We're going to have the Queen City Classic video on Thursday. We got the Scotland video, Crail Golfing Society, big match. Myself and Trent Daddy versus Frankie and Lurch. We got caddies. I was one with my caddy.

He was awesome. So phenomenal spot. Check it out. Go to YouTube. YouTube's a cool thing. Chevy's also a very cool thing. You got Chevy EVs now for everyone, everywhere. We love Chevrolet like a rock, the whole deal, the Blazers.

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I don't know if the Chevy Malibu is even on our list of things that we're supposed to talk about. Whenever we go to the rental car, because I'm an Emerald Club member for National aisle, thanks to Justin Mancini, hook me up with that, where you just walk in, you just grab the key and you get in the car, you go, don't even have to talk to anybody.

And they always have a Malibu as part of their like Emerald Club line that you can just get in. I get in the Malibu all time. It's a sexy little sedan that Chevy Malibu. It's got more, um, it's got like a bigger body than you expect. And I really like it. It feels nice when you drive it. You're kind of, you're all up on the road, your own in the road. I'm, I'm a big Malibu guy myself, actually.

Yeah. I like the Malibu. Um, from both of you guys, you know that commercial by the way. The Fleetwood Mac commercial that I was singing last time. When they're singing in the high voices. It's taken over the entire internet. It's a really good commercial. taking over every if you watch

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We love you, Chevy. Okay. Nice to be back, fellas. Nice to just be kind of calm. I can't believe, Frankie, I can't believe you played golf after we got back. Because we didn't get back until late. We had a bit of a baggage debacle at JFK. I didn't get to bed.

Debacle. I didn't get to bed until like two in the morning or whatever. And I woke up just feeling like I had been punched in the face because Taylor-May Media Days was a lot, especially the last day we did a lot of stuff. And the fact that you were already like an hour into two-hour drive, I texted you being like, how are you physically alive right now? Dude, yeah, I played upstate New York in Salem, New York and actually played with Joey La Cava, you know, our guy, Tiger Woods is catty, obviously. Right. Freddie Couples is his career, obviously. That's right. And then so we played in this in this like big group thing and say at Salem country club, Salem golf club. It was an awesome day. Beautiful weather. One of those like you couldn't believe the days. It was like 65 degrees in the fall. Just a little bit of a wind. You're like, holy shit, it's fucking October right now. We played in a group event and me and Joey were partners. So that was really cool that he like called me in as his partner. We had an amazing day. We won. So that was great. But on the drive there, I'm not a coffee drinker. I just don't like the taste of it. And I don't.

don't think that my body really needs it because I'm so hyper and out of control. But I will say halfway through the drive, I legit like stopped the navigation. I just typed in Starbucks and I had to go get a coffee because I thought I was going to fall asleep on the ride in. Like I honestly, my eyes are starting to get heavy and like as the cars pass, it was starting to become like a trance where it was like, wow, I've only had four hours of sleep. We just came from Florida.

We played golf all week. We were doing the craziest shit of all time on golf courses. I don't know how the hell I'm doing this right now. It was bad. The wake-up was bad. But it also was, it was an exciting wake-up because you're going to play with Joey La Cava. So, like, I was ready to go. I was going.

I got there early. So that wasn't bad, but I did drink the coffee. Did the coffee do anything for you? Because I've been drinking coffee for so long, and I'm sure Riggs and Dan are the same way, where I don't even know if I notice anything a change anymore. Like, I'm not sure if the caffeine still gets to me and still makes me hyperactive. I think it's just part of my routine. When you drank the Starbucks coffee,

Did you feel a jolt? Big time. Big time. I don't know if that was like placebo effect or something where I was just thinking that it was going to do something. But the second I drank it, it felt like my eyes woke up. And like I was just more aware of everything. I had the windows down. The wind was hitting me.

I just felt better. Do you feel like a little intimidated order in the coffee? There's like a billion options. There's a lot of options. Well, I want. Yeah. I went and I said, can I just get a, can I get a coffee? And she's like, we have, which one?

And I said, just black with like some milk in there. So I guess it's not black. So it's just black with some milk in there. And she's like, what size? I said the biggest one. It's just the big one. She's like, okay, so Vente. She's like everything I said,

she was just kind of like correcting me on. It was pretty intimidating because usually when I go in there order like a milkshake, like a ice caramel macchiato or some shit. That's what I'm saying. Even for me, like I don't, I'm still to this day, don't really consider himself like a coffee guy.

I'm like an ice coffee guy. I'm like latched on to my friend Mike who would order this snickerdoodle ice coffee in South Boston. And it was delicious. And so that's kind of the only thing I know is like, a few different forms of ice coffee. And so I'll get the same thing occasionally too. They'll be like, oh, do you want it with like the sweetened?

And I'm like, I don't know what that. I even means. I just like, I hated this ice coffee. It's kind of all I want. It is interesting how they beat the small, medium, medium and large out of you. Because when I first started going to Starbucks, I would do the same thing. I was just like, I would like a large black coffee. And they don't say it to you directly, but they will go, okay, you'll have a venty black

coffee. And they just, they start to switch it on you. And you go every single day. and eventually you start saying, I'll take a venti, black coffee. And you don't even realize the switch when it happens, but they have trained an entire nation sizes that don't sound like where everywhere else you order a McDonald's,

a Burger King, whatever, it's small, medium large. For whatever reason, Starbucks switches it on you and they just brainwash you. What is the empty mean? It makes no sense because tall is the smallest one. Like, if you're an eight-year-old kid and you see tall, you're going to think that that's the big one. So there's tall, there's grande, and there's venti.

It's called tall. The size small is called tall. What assholes? Starbucks sizes. Trent, I'm right on this one, right? Yes. And then the largest ice coffee you can get is trainta.

Okay. So they got a demi, they got a demi, a short, a tall, a grande, a venty, and a trenti.

Yep. You can only get the tranta in ice. You can't get that in the hot coffee. It just means 30, right? You got to be a real asshole to come up with your own sizes. But the whole world is

small, medium, large, extra large. But think about how influential they are, that they have tricked everybody, or I don't know about tricked is the right word, but they're just,

you're going to use these, and they're the most popular coffee place in the world, and everybody does it. Be tough if you started seeing all the other chains had to do it that way now. Like they just made it part of the lexicon. It's very interesting how they've done that, how they've,

every other place does small, medium, large, but you walk into Starbucks, something shifts, and we all follow it. I've been drinking Starbucks coffee forever, and I get a, you know, a venty iced coffee. What do you conceptualize Starbucks? Like when you think about Starbucks, Trent,

do you think of it as like a fast food place or do you think of it as like an upscale coffee shop? Neither. I think of it as a coffee place. I don't think of it. I certainly don't think of it as upscale. Their food is no good. I do not like their food.

Like if when I want a breakfast food, I would prefer a Dunkins where I can get a sugary donut. Same. You cannot get that at Starbucks. You either got to get, you know, a sandwich, a bacon sandwich that isn't quite like disgusting enough for me. I want it to be dripping. I want it to be horrible.

I want it to clog every artery in my body. And they don't have that. So I view it strictly as a coffee place. And I will say I am fully addicted to their coffee. I'll drink a Duncan coffee if I'm in a pinch and it doesn't do the same thing. I have Starbucks for whatever reason that's got its hooks in me. Yeah, I'm more of a Dunkin guy. I like their coffee more.

I like their breakfast more. So I'm Dunkin, but I like Starbucks. I don't, I've never really had coffee that I don't like. Like I could go pretty much anywhere. I'll do, I'm going to get my ice coffee. I like it flavored. So I'll get a hazelnut. I'll get a vanilla.

I get almond milk in there. And that's pretty much what I get no matter what. And it usually tastes pretty good. There's something about the Dunkin Ice Coffee that is more watery to me. And I don't know what it is. Might just be the way that they make it. And Starbucks. Yeah, I guess.

But Starbucks has ice coffee and it's a little bit more full flavored for me. But at this point, I'm really not in it for the flavor or any of that. I'm just, it's really part of the routine. And I think, you know, it's been a while since I've gone a day where I don't drink coffee. But I would imagine if I tried to do that, I would be in a world of hurt and I would have a really bad headache by noon. I can't have any, any nightmare with you guys bags or no? No, they came eventually. Yeah, they came eventually.

It just took a long time. There was just like two different baggage claims. And then everyone thought it was baggage claim one. And then remember everyone went to baggage claim two and everyone was like, why are we at baggage claim two? And we went back to baggage claim one. It was just a mess. One person was like maybe it comes on number two. And then all 200 people just listen to that one person talking to their friend.

Yeah. It was very bizarre. I actually went over. I'm like, you just ruined everyone's like night. You know what I mean? I'm getting a feeling that that Riggs Barstle has a tale to tell. Well, yeah, I mean, I might never walk again, to be honest. Oh, that's right.

But did you lose your bags? My golf clubs didn't come, but it was actually a good. It was a godsend because then they just had to deliver them because I couldn't walk anyways. This is a hard thing to talk about because we we participated in an activity at Taylor Made Media Day, a video that's going to come out in a few months. And yeah, but I would say like in a, in a video that we were filming, I was running and jumping. And I, in a dismount while I was doing that, my ankle completely buckled and rolled and to the point where I mean, when I woke up on Friday, I, uh, everyone was hitting me up like, you have to go to the doctor. Your foot is,

is one of the worst things I've ever seen. And I've managed the swelling. I think it's, I think it's going to be okay. As someone who has broken, I've broken my left arm three times. I've shattered my right index finger. It's being held together by a titanium plate.

I've torn things many times. I don't think there's anything torn or broken in my right foot. But I had, well, I mean, Wednesday, you know, we,

this happened. We filmed for like seven hours total, I would say, over two days and in the last three minutes of us filming this happened. So it's the most electric three minutes. It was great. And it's going to be really good. People are going to love it.

I imagine the video is going to, especially this clip is going to be very well, you know, viewed and liked by many people. But it's like we're so close to the finish line and so close to like four months of pure bliss and Scott's Dale and hanging out. We just do the podcast for a couple of fucking days a week. And it's great. And then this happens. I get through it.

adrenaline. It starts to swell up. I have a two-hour drive to the Miami airport. So it's like from we were in Jupiter, two-hour drive, your foot's as low as can possibly be. It's below your body. It's supposed to be elevated and iced. I stopped at a gas stop, you know, station thing that they have off the highway where there's a bunch of different places. I literally got an extra plastic bag, filled it up with ice and leaned my foot up against it and then drove with my left foot, which is really, really hard to do. That's insane. Really hard to do. And like my breaking was not particularly consistent. It's like hard.

But I was like, if I don't get this thing, I might never walk again. So I don't think that helped very much. So for two hours, I'm driving things on it. And then I get there. And in fucking Miami airport,

the rental car center drop off walk to the actual check in area at American Airlines is the longest walk in history. And every fucking moving walkway thing I walked by was shut down. Oh, broke. So I'm lugging this thing. And I'm telling you, Every step I took, I had tears in my eyes as I was walking through this airport because I had to make it.

Like it was like if you put your finger on a burning stove, your body naturally like you just don't do that thing that hurts. I had to do it. So every step was excruciatingly painful. I got my golf clubs and two other bags with me that I'm pulling through this fucking airport. And I'm pretty tight on time. It's like one hour till departure and I have to get my way all the way through the airport and check in. And if I don't, then I have to go all the way back, check. I can't do a fucking hotel.

I can't even walk. So I'm like, I have to make it. So anyways, I'm logging through. People walking by me being like, are you okay, sir? I'm like, no. So you're visibly limping. Oh, it's, oh my God. I can't.

I legit. Like, are we talking like this? Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, are you going down with every step? Was there any thought to, you know, when you're walking through an airport, sometimes there's those carts, the carts that drive by the beep, and there's old people on it. Did you see one of those try to flag it down?

I would have killed from one of those. Those are like inside the gates. those aren't like hovering around the rental car facility. I see. I was confused on where you were. So you're not even through security yet. No, because I have all my shit and I have to get to the thing.

So I'm like, you have to not only get to the thing. You drop off your car. And you know, when you drop off the rental car, nobody like, they just come. They're like,

would you like an emailed receipt? That's it. You don't really have any touch points until you get to check in. And then once you get to check in, they're like, can we help you, sir? They take your bags.

You're pretty close to security. And it's sort of, but to get to that point is a fucking nightmare. So I had to go, you have to walk at Miami Airport. You got to go, rental cars like on the bottom level. You got to go all the way up to the top, take a shuttle over, then go back down to the bottom and then walk all the way across this like Skybridge thing and then figure it out. And I have to do that whole point.

I'm literally like begging for like a car or a wheelchair guy or something. But those people are all, they're all like after you get through security. There's none of those people around this like area pre-check-in. So I'm lugging and I'm like, I'm not going to make it. I'm like, I'm still seeing these signs. I'm still seeing fucking check-in is like you got to go down the elevator and across and I'm not even close to there yet. And it's like, now I got like 55 minutes until the flight depart.

So I'm like, if I don't check in at 10 minutes, my bags aren't even going to get there. And I'm going one mile an hour. At one point, I just stopped, dropped all my stuff, pulled out my phone and was like, I either turn back now and I got to come up at different place. or like, I have to make it because I'm, I'm crying in the airport. Like my, it hurts so bad. I'm like crying. Did you have any advil in you or any sort of painkillers or any?

Nothing, dude. I didn't have time to stop. It's like, I stopped, grabbed ice, got back in the car and was like, I have to make this flight. I was like up against it. And I would have marched through. I would have stopped. I want you to know right now. I would have cut it for sure.

When there's tears in my eyes, it's like I'll, I'll get another flight out of Miami. Maybe I'll stay here for a week and I'll just let my leg heal. But it sounds like you powered through. What I was thinking was like if I stop, then I have to walk back. Yeah. So like I might as well walk that way. Then I have to like get an Uber, wait for the Uber, fucking get a hotel room. And then tomorrow or whenever, I got to do this whole thing again.

So I'm like, we're already here. Like we got to do this. So I march through. I make it. It's like 41 minutes. And they're like, sir, you got to check in 45 minutes before. But we're going to see if we can override the system. Luckily they were like not a problem.

One of your bags might not make it. We'll see. I was like, I don't care. Fine. Thank you. And then at that point, I marched through and with like TSA pre and clear and all that bullshit, like I knew I was going to actually get on the flight, but you still got to just make it. Like you have to physically get there. And there's no problem rushing through an airport when you have like, you don't really notice it.

Every step was a nightmare. And then you get there. I get on the plane. And now for the next six hours, like a five and a half hour flight, for the next like six hours, my foot is just as low as can be. So really for the first 12 hours after this gruesome injury. They're like, oh, yeah, rice, like fucking rest, ice it, compression, elevated, the whole deal. I couldn't do any of that for the first 12 hours. So when I woke up on Thursday morning and looked down on my foot, it was, it's, it was the most swollen thing.

It's bruising all over the place. Like every fluid in my body just rushed down into my right foot. And it looked like a horror shot. I couldn't get my shoe on. I couldn't get my right sneaker on to my foot. Jesus. Because when you were in bed all day? And so swollen.

then all Thursday, all Friday, all Saturday, I just iced and elevated it and basically played Xbox, but the one exception was like Thursday evening, Joel Damon texted me and was like, hey, I'm at this bar across the street. I got two hours to kill before I got to go to dinner with the wife, do you want to come by for a drink? And I was like, yes, I'm going to come by for a drink. That might have been a mistake just because that's another three or four hours that it turned into of like not resting, putting alcohol in your body and my foot being below. But anyways, ever since Friday morning, basically, until right now, I've just been foot like this. Even I sleep this way. I sleep with my fucking foot on a bag and two pillows up in the air with ice tape to my foot,

just trying to get through it. And the swelling, I do believe, is gone down. It has gone down dramatically. They're still, like, bruising on my foot. I think if I had to with like a brace, I could play golf now at this point. But if I was like an actual athlete or whatever, I don't know that you'd be able to return to like doing real athletic activities for weeks, if not months. Like my ankle is- You have a high ankle sprain.

I think I have a severe high ankle sprain is my best guess. So there's not much recovery right now. You still, like, you couldn't go out and play golf today? I haven't been able to and I don't. I think I'd be able to. Like if I was Tony Fee now trying to get through the masters, I'd be able to. Problem is I think it holds your recovery like dramatically. So it's not as fun as it might be.

It would be, I think, problem. to do so. So, so far I have that. And then I do three times a day. I write the alphabet with my ankle in the air. Is what they want you to do. Mobility. So yeah. Yeah. You go capital A, B, all the way through the whole deal. And I do that three times a day. That's supposed to help kind of strengthen it. But I think the moral of the story is I got to get stronger ankles going forward because you just can't have your ankles buckle when you're doing a pretty like a pretty low difficulty level activity that I was doing that just paralyzed my right leg for like weeks, potentially months. Well,

you took off to the Miami airport and we were flying out of Jupiter later. So we had a little bit of time to kill. And we watched the footage back because we wanted to see it because we were hearing reports from the people who were shooting it were like, no, he really messed his ankle up. And you had sent us the picture. So we knew that it was bad.

So we went back and we watched the footage. It's gnarly. You were doing an activity and then immediately were trying to sprint after that activity and your ankle completely caved. and you fully, fully twist your ankle. And yeah, it's going to, you know, for better or worse, it's going to look great on video. You know what I mean?

Like, you already does. We've seen it. It's hilarious. You're going through all this. You went through all that pain. You're crying in the airport. But the good news is. The content's great.

The content's great. So, you know, you got that. It's not like you did that in a place where there was no video cameras. You got the full thing on video and it's, it looks as bad as it sounds. The funny thing is right before we started this, this was obviously, a concept that required some physical activity, which obviously led to us making a lot of jokes about how little physical activity we get in our daily lives and how this was going to be sort of dangerous and different. And I said to Alex Bush before, I was like, how funny would

it be if someone pulled their hammy during this? Like if someone just had a lasting injury, and this happened afterwards, it was worse than anything I could have ever imagined. You'd think all the money would be on me, too. I was probably a minus 700 favorite to get hurt. during this thing. Especially after the pinch nerve. Yeah, I'm not going to say I'm happy that that happened, but I'm just glad it wasn't me. I was going through a pretty, pretty rough time with my pinch nerve. I do want you guys to know that I have, I have to, I'm getting an MRI next week, this week,

because the doctor said I have to get one. I have a, what he thinks is a herniated C7 disc. Okay. And the thought is that I've had this for a long time, so much so that I probably didn't need to get elbow surgery. Like that is the root of my problem. Like basically the C7 disc and that nerve goes down to your elbow, that nerve, and then goes down to your finger. Now it's like super rare, which he thinks I could have had because obviously my elbow doctor was incredible and did all these tests on me, did a nerve test on my elbow and saw that it was crushed. And I remember when he was like, yeah, it's slightly crushed.

And I don't know if that's the impact like moment or whatever, but he's like we can definitely go in there, clean it up and you should feel less pain your fingers. but we never really tested anything in my neck. And I remember a lot of people telling me, like, you should check your neck first. You should check your neck. Do some physical therapy on your neck and that might open it up. And this guy's like, dude, your neck is like, fuck. Like he took x-rays, seeing that everything's leaning to the right. We can't see if there's a herniated disc unless you're on an MRI.

So I'm getting to that done. But he thinks, yeah, it's pretty crazy that I just haven't like rehabbed whatever injury I may have had to like the back of my neck. And that can come as like looking at your phone too much to like all the way down here when you're on your bed. if you're sleeping the wrong way. We took x-rays. My spine is like this angled down. It's supposed to be inverted back. My neck.

My neck's supposed to be like a you and it's a fucking slanted eye. What would the surgery do? Like what would it? What would they? There is no surgery. Well, no. Now it's like I need to like rehab this. I just never ever, ever attacked this.

And when I go to the chiropractor, he stretches me out. So C-7's up here in the neck? C-7's like right in the bottom of the neck. So like when he was cracking my neck, he's like, I've always been adjusting your C5 and all this. He's like, let's get lower. And I do, when he did it, it felt like fucking blood rushed through my body. It was weird. This is a chiropractor, right?

This is a chiropractor. I'm a little nervous because I got sent a video of a girl getting her neck cracked and now she can only communicate by blinking. So, I mean, it just came through, it came across my desk this morning. Yeah, you're the first morning. You know what came across my desk yesterday? One and 500,000 chance to get that happened. She just snapped all her arteries, four arteries in her neck. Immediately?

Like, is there? Is there video of her just being done? Is that like a miss by the doctor? Like that feels like a chiropractor. Yeah, he's like, yeah, it's a one in 300,000 chance. And like I just,

you know, that's like an execution error, that person that was going to happen. I guess it's an ongoing investigation. All I know is I saw a girl on a feeding tube. He can't comment. It's an ongoing investigation. She's on a feeding tube now.

It's fucking horrifying stuff. Terrifying. I was on TikTok yesterday and I found myself in a dog chiropractor's TikTok. And I'll send, I'm going to send you guys a video. It's amazing. It's this, it's a Bernie.

mountain dog and the guy is doing what he would do to a human but it's a dog so the dog's just like what the fuck is going on right now and then he cracks the dog's neck like crazy and the dog stops panting and just looks at him like am i alive what am i what's the situation now and the and then the dog's like all right i can breathe again and he the dog's like excited it's an incredible video it's incredible and it makes me want to go to i want to go to a chiropractor because the The chiropractor that I'm going to, I really like because he doesn't like crack my back and then just leave. Like it's a lot of stretching. There's a lot of maneuvering of the back and the shoulders and massaging and like putting stem on muscles and all that stuff.

So I don't feel like I'm going in just to be cracked and then like you become addicted to it. You become addicted to that very, very like short lived relief because they say it's just popping. All that crack is just air being released from pockets. It's not actually cracking your bones. It's like cracking your knuckles. Right. It's just air releasing. So, and like pockets of air.

So I understand a lot of people thinking it's like voodoo magic and voodoo, all this bullshit that doesn't actually work. I really like the stretching part. I could feel it actually stretching where my shoulder blade was. Like I feel better today than I did the day before I went. So that has to be working. And it's like the guy that you went to Trent, this guy Joe Schmoe, oh, he's not his doctor, what's his there?

Jeremy Schmo. I call him Joe Schmo. He's in Minnesota and he works with a lot of hockey guys. he works with a lot of hockey guys and he does this like gyro spinning all this stuff to basically align your brain and they're chiropractors by trade before they got into this type of stuff basically aligning your eyes and aligning your brain and making sure that you're more focused and you're you're hyper aware but one of the things that they talk about is like you don't not a lot of people think about your neck and how it's the streamline vessel from your brain

to the rest of your body and if there's things that are messed up whether it might be like muscle muscles are messed up or like, you know, just the alignment of it or your disc is herniated. That's like, that's the, that is the tunnel. All of that information is getting sent down. So there's all these stories of people like thinking more clearly when they get their neck aligned, when they're like, they're just more aware. So hopefully that fucking helps me. Maybe that's the root of my brain problems is that the road to the rest of my body has

been blocked. There's been a blockade. It might have been the most important doctor visit of your entire life. It might have unlocked. But then like it's a chiropractor. So is it real? Is it not? I don't know.

I know it makes me feel better. I know there's going to be a lot of people that say don't go and go to a fucking physical therapist. People are a little controversial on a chiropractors. Yeah. There's like there's been some pseudoscience accusations lobbed at them, I think. Yeah, I think they, a lot of people, they think that they manipulate your body in a way that like you have to come back. So like you're constantly cracking things and then your body needs it more. It's almost like drinking coffee.

Like once you have it, you have to keep coming back and that. Well, I mean, what do we think the pharmaceutical companies are doing out there? Exactly. Let's get into it. Let's get into it. That's why I said, like he stretches me more than he cracks me. I've been to a chiropractor where you walk in and she would do, she would do like

the same cracks on me regardless of what happened. I'd be like, what did that just accomplish? Like that accomplished nothing. I want the number of this chiropractor. Is it around us? Yeah, it's like two, it's like two miles away. Because I would love, I need something. I need a lot of them.

He puts you on this bed that in the middle, under your hip, it just goes, it goes like this, right? So it's a bed and then it goes up and down. That's the whole first stretch I do in my video. Yeah. And bro, you're just laying there and you're like, oh, oh, you're just, your back is getting stretched apart like it hasn't been. And it's such a, such a just common move. It's just like, oh, all right.

Trent, you can pay the money for that chiropractor or you could watch the video out on Forplay, Twitter of my stretch. That video put out, it's outrageous. That is, that is the first stretch is that little sort of cat cow movement where it's just first thing in the morning and you want to get your back, your back loosened up. This is just Dan stretching video? Is that what we're? Yeah. I am injury free after a grueling week of videos in Florida. After a grueling summer, I feel as good as I've ever felt.

And all of it is... These memes that Frankie is showing us are great. It's just Dan and is stretching. All of it is thanks to this stretching routine. So if any of you are trying to get loose and limber or pliable, as the kids call it, you got to watch it. Your back will thank you. Your hips will thank you.

It's all on the hips. the hips feed the wolf all the good stuff watch it all right i'm gonna go to a copraptych get thrown around a room that's fair that's fair you are the richest person in the world i won't send you the video i won't send you the video of this girl that is fighting for her life i will not do that do not do that to me because i don't need i don't need that i just don't need any of that that's when you see you get caught in these situations where you think not that you think but it's just in the back of your head like we're thinking about getting lasic and as soon as i brought that up you he's like well i know I know there's one person who, who, you know, their eye got shot out the back of their head and now they can't see.

It's like, I don't need to hear. I don't want those stories. The only reason why I get super nervous about shit like that is because, all right, you could get hit by a car walking across the street tomorrow. And I get that. Life is very fragile and that's been proven day in and day out. It's fucking horrifying place out there. Right. It's a horrifying place out there.

My whole scary thoughts about it is that we're actively walking in there as healthy men. and we're getting a procedure done that we don't need to get done. That's where it's like, imagine something wrong happens. Like, is there that bad wearing contacts and glasses? That's the only reason where it's like, imagine being blind tomorrow when you just didn't have to do this.

I hate that thought where it's like, all right, it wasn't a mistake. I consciously went in there and fucking did it because I'm lazy and don't want to put my glasses on anymore. I want to be able to watch movies and fall asleep. Like, what does they even mean? Just do it. I know, I'm going to do it.

I just, that's the part of my brain that just is always like, don't do it. You're making a lot of good points, but you just have to look at it, unfortunately or fortunately, from a statistical standpoint where it's just, you know, 99.999, 9,999% of people walk in, walk out and it's all good. It's just that these horror stories that you dig up from somewhere that make you. My friend send them to me. Yeah, well, that's. I still think that like, I still think that when a plane takes off occasionally, even though the whole of the time, you know, it's just, it's more dangerous driving to the airport than it is on the plane. But I'm like, when a plane's taken off and I'm not feeling that great, I'm like, Dude, if this tire just goes out beneath us, we're going too fast right now. It's over. I could have just driven. Like, I could just drive to this place that I'm going to. I don't need to do this giant death machine that's going 500 miles an hour for no reason.

I could just drive. Right. The fact of the matter is we are, as people living right now, we're the tip of the spear, no matter what. Those numbers, all those numbers do not matter. They really don't. Like, they do in a way that you are trying to comfort yourself where it's like, you know, 99.99% of planes, they go up and they go down. We're going to be fine.

But the fact of the matter is, we're living, we're right here. We're just going. And whatever happens happens. It can happen anywhere. And it's not the greatest thought in the world, but it also happens to be true. Now, chances are you're going to be totally fine because, you know, people check the plane a million times before it takes off, whatever. But we're just living in the present.

So anything can happen. The first like eight times I flew into LaGuardia, you know how you fly, you're flying over the water of the entire time. And then at the very last second, the pavement shows up. But the first like five or six times I flew into that airport, I was like, all right, we're going, we're going down. Where the, where the hell is the land? Yeah, it's tough because you can't, obviously you're just looking out sideways. You're like, it better be a fucking, I better see something airporting pretty soon.

Like if I see something airporty, that be a cone. Yeah, like a fucking cone or something. You need a flashing light under this, under this plane right now. I know, it's awful. It just, I, I, I, no matter how many times I fly, I do hate that feeling as it starts to really pick up speed on the runway of like, you have. zero control now, like zero on anything. And I get that somebody could run you over, even when you're driving in the car,

somebody could run a red light and hits you at the intersection. It's over like you still feel like you're at control. You have the brake and the gas and the steering wheel. You have some control. It's like, dude, when that plane, when they start ripping, you're like, all right, it's just zero. I have zero, zero, zero percent control right now.

It's actually interesting that you bring that up. I was reading a book by comedian Mark Marin, who talked about this thing where when I first, first started to fly a lot. And before I got this job, I didn't fly a ton at all. But I remember early on flying, I would think rationally or irrationally, that the things that I did on the plane were somehow going to affect the outcome of the flight. And what Mark Marin talks about is you just, you got to let that go. Like you holding your hands on the rest of the chair in a certain way are, is not going to affect what happens on this flight. So almost it's, it's what you're saying, Riggs, but

it's the opposite. I have no control. Well, there's no control in the air. That's what you're saying is there's no fender vendors. Right.

You're either going down or you're, or you're okay. Something goes wrong here. It's over, man. And it's not, yeah, there's very few scenarios where you're in

in your life where that's the case. Like, even if we're, if I'm somewhere and there's, like, a gunman and like, maybe you probably have no chance, but like,

at least I can feel like I can run and like try to have some control to get out of this bad, horrific, tragic, like, situation where it's like at that moment when you're on there, like you're saying, there's no fender bender.

There's no, you have no control over your fate at this point at all. Like, if this plane is going down, if it's a doomed flight, you got nothing you can do at this point. Nothing is going to help you. It's just over. And that feeling is just, you're not in that position in life very often where it's like, this is pretty dangerous. Think about how fast we're going. Think about fragile the human body is.

My ankle doesn't fucking work just because I rolled it a little bit. And like, if this fucking giant metal tube with, with, that's basically a, a bomb with all this gasoline underneath us just goes down. Like, I have no control over that. You do say that we're in such, we're rarely in situations where we have no control. That's also not necessarily true. Like I, like a plane, it's, it's very elevated and you're like,

oh my God, we're 20,000 feet in the air. So I really feel like I don't have control. You also don't have control much when you're walking down the street. Like you're walking on the street. You're like, oh, no, I feel like I could move if something came at me. But if a car comes at you fast enough, you have no control. Yeah, but you feel like you can at least jump or run.

You can't jump or run on the plane. Like if the plane's going down, you're on it, buddy. You're strapped in. It's over. How come we don't get passed out parachutes when you go on a plane? That would be more disconcerting to me than the way we do it now. I don't understand why we wouldn't just all have to strap on a parachute just in case

something happened up in the air. We would all just at least have a chance. It's a cost issue, right? I mean, like it would cost them money to have parachutes for every single person. if it was purely a safety You bring your own parachute? Are you allowed to bring your own parachute? That's a really good question.

Can I pack and wear my own parachute on the plane? But then how are you going to get off if it's going down? If it fits in the carrier, I think you can bring it, right? I think you could be like, hey guys, excuse me, you guys in 17. Can you slide left here? I'm going to jump out of this plane with my parachute. I don't think you can open up a plane door even if you tried. No, that you can.

That's like the emergency exit thing, right? Isn't that how to work? Is that just for when you land? Yeah, I don't think in the air you'd have a chance. How do they do it with actual people who skydive? I don't know. They're probably not up as high. Probably not going as fast.

It's probably also not a door that comes out. Yeah, it feels like it's a slider. I'll tell you this, you walk through airport security with a parachute. They're going to have some questions. They're going to say, all right, so we got, that guy's got some toil trees in there. That guy's got an iPad. Now, what's that guy with the parachute? doing what's why does he have that why is he planning to jump out of a plane in about an hour

that's okay let's question him a little bit yeah let's let's prod around see what this what's your plan here with this parachute my biggest fear on planes is not the takeoff even though now it probably will be I never really thought of it that way it's always when we reach our peak cruising altitude and everything seems very calm I think about what if this thing just drops out of the air right now and it's a very unsettling feeling like thinking like at any moment this thing could just go boom and just down both engines out we just fucking go on a on a on a on a on a nose dive straight down like it's that feeling of it could happen for the next three hours you know what i mean i think that's kind of my yeah i feel like that's kind of my respite because i feel like they

all the the accidents happen with take off and landing don't they yeah but it's just that feeling of like you're almost on the tower of terror at universal and at one point it's just gonna go down like and it doesn't it's very solid but we have this feeling that we're like on solid ground You're on the plane. You're sitting down. You got your feet on something solid. You're in the fucking air, man. You're fucking way up there.

You're 30,000 feet up there. You do, like, once you're up there, you have to get down safely at some point. Like, you have to. Those guys are to get you down. Your train's going 200 miles an hour. Somebody could just kind of hit the break and it'll just come to a stop and you're fine. You just walk off it. Unless it's a Denzel movie where it just keeps going.

But I'm saying like this plane that's up there, like if someone doesn't get this thing on the ground, and like which is a really hard maneuver to do then it's over. Like somebody has to get this thing out of the sky in a safe manner. Landing is the scariest part for me, bar none. Taken off's fine.

Being in the air is fine. I always, for whatever reason, I always think that the wheels aren't going to come down evenly and we're just going to barrel down this runway. I don't know why. See, I always thought that we would survive that.

Whenever I'm like down to 500 feet, I feel like we've already survived. And I'm probably wrong about that. I bet if you read me the statistics, it would say that most of the casualties happen from 500 feet down. But I just feel like once we're there and we're above the concrete, I'm like, all right, worse comes to worse. We like slide on our side and we like make this thing.

But I feel like that's wrong. That's an interesting question. I wish if we ever have another commercial airline pilot on, that's a question that I would ask them. When we are, yeah, 1,000 feet, 500 feet, 350 feet, Like where is a good spot to be if things go haywire? Feels like it's probably the opposite. Like if you are,

I mean, if you're 30,000 feet and things go wrong, clearly you're in a bad spot. But if you're, you know, 400 feet off the ground and things go haywire, what are the chances of survival? I'm always impressed that planes land straight every time.

Like, wouldn't you think that as they land, if there's a little bit of a hiccup going that fast, if you're off by a degree, like if that front wheel comes down like just a little bit to the left, wouldn't you just fly off the side of the runway? It's only three wheels.

It's not like they have it like. I think about that constantly. And I also, right now, right now during this podcast, I want to apologize to anybody who's flying because we're just going through every scenario that is just as bad as can be. You're going to be fine. 99.999% of flights, they're totally fine.

If you didn't bring a parachute, that's still fine. It's going to be all right. When Joe Rogan had all the guys on like the Protectar Parks, I think it was the most recent one where he had Shane Gillis and all those guys on, they were talking about something with flights going down. And they were researching all this stuff with flights going on. I was on a flight and I couldn't have skipped it faster.

I couldn't have hit 10 seconds, I just kept going and they were still talking about planes every time I'd stop. I'm like, are these fucking guys kidding me or now? What could you possibly be talking about? That was bad. We just did that for 15 minutes. I know. Sorry.

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Terms apply. Download game time. Last minute tickets, lowest price guaranteed. I watched on Saturday, because again, I was relegated to just my couch with my foot elevated in the sky rice. I threw it on YouTube for maybe an hour. I actually was texting Dan about it. I think that was Thursday.

or I think that was Saturday. Saturday or Friday, I can't remember. I threw it on for like an hour. I watched a little bit of it. I made a wild decision on Saturday, by the way. Like crazy anti-Franki Burelli, the way he grew up, the whole thing. I never ever would have believed that I made the decision. Josh Bailey.

I'm just going to bring us to hockey really quick and then we can go back to the live stuff. Josh Bailey, 1,000 games for the New York Islanders. Islanders are on a role right now. They absolutely dominated the Rangers. They fucking, they swept down the building. 40-3-0, just a complete domination. So Rockin's the best goalie of all time. Then they went on.

They went the next night they won in fucking Carolina. They won again. So they're fucking rolling right now. So 1,000 games. And then they beat fucking the abs, by the way. So the islanders are rolling. Thousand games. I've been a Josh Bailey fan my whole entire life.

My first jersey I bought from this core team was Josh Bailey. He was drafted in what, like 2012, 2011. I've had a Bailey jersey. I have a picture of my dad walking into the Nassau Caliseum with my Josh Bailey jersey. is he on his back, October 20th, 2013. That's how long I've been reping this fucking guy. He plays a thousand games.

I'm friendly with him. I'm friendly with his wife. The whole family. We love each other. Everybody gets together all the time. He's been one of the guys that I've been lucky enough to meet off the ice and like we've become friendly. Huge thing, right?

Thousand games. I get a text. Hey, Saturday night, we're having a celebration for Josh after his 1,000th game. We're doing it at this bar. And Manhasset. You're invited. Like, this is a Frankie Borelli all time. Invitation dream.

Like where this kid was, I was waiting outside the fucking, the, the, the ramp just to see what kind of cars these guys drove. And now I'm going to be able to celebrate this guy's biggest accomplishment that he's had so forth, thousand games elite. All the teams go on there. The predicament is I had a Halloween party with all of my friends. And I'm a group, I'm a group, um, costume with people. And it's like, it was a, it was the definition of are you one of the boys still or are you going to be Mr. Big Time and you go out and you go to the fucking. the Islanders party and you have your drinks and your photos and you become friends all these days. What do you do? And I got to tell you guys, it was the hardest decision of my life.

I did not know what to do. And I was like, what's going to happen to me? Am I really going to miss this party on both ends? And I got to tell you, I fucking stayed with my old G friends and we did the costume party. I missed the Islander game. They beat the avalanche. They scored five goals in like the third period. It was the best game that they've had at UBS Arena yet. Places go crazy. all the guys won. Brock scored. Everyone's going crazy. They went out,

they got drinks. I missed it all. I'm getting text messages from Brock saying like, what an Islander fan. They're all shitting on me, saying this is the quote unquote leader of the fan base. They're really digging into me.

Telling me to take my makeup off in the morning, the whole thing. And I fucking stayed there and I was just Fred Jones from Scooby Doo with a fucking blonde wig on and teal ass pants. And I had a bunch of fucking truly art seltzers. And I played beer pong. And you know what? It felt really good.

good. I don't know what that says about me as a fan. That's a good guy move. That's a good guy move. I don't know what it says about me as a fan. I feel like I lost a step. I don't want to feel like I lost a step because it killed me. I was watching the game. My phones, college football was on. I just wanted the people to know that I missed the game. I got a lot of tweets about it. I'm sorry I missed the game. I didn't know what to do. I didn't know what the right decision was. I think you made the right decision. I really do. I think that's the right way to do it. I don't know. You stayed with your old friends. You never forget the day one. Is this purely your decision?

It really ended up being my decision. It was. There was a lot of factors in play. But at the end of the day, I was told, like, just go to the fucking party. Yeah, that's what I was going to say. What I would do is put, like, the text into the group chat and then hope that the boys are like, dude, you got to go to that party. Wait, so, all right.

Then were you going to show up to this Islander party as Fred from Scooby-Doo? I don't know what I was going to do. I really don't know. I think the decision was you go to the game and you go to the party or you stay with, you stay at the house party and you just do the Halloween costume. You made the right call. I thought about it for a long, long time. But yeah, it was a big life moment for me where it's like, what the fuck do you do?

Pretty cool. The Iwaters are at their party and they're like chirper. Where's Frankie? Yeah, they were at the end. Yeah, it's great. It's the best case scenario, I would say. Talking about our weekends, I want to give a quick shout out to Tony Ballsack and Angus. Holy shit.

Frankie and I, so last Cyber Monday, we did a competition where if you spent X amount of dollars and you, you know, you. hundred bucks you you enter yourself into a contest and then we're going to draw a random name and that person would then play golf with me and frankie um so we we made it happen on friday me and frankie played with tony balsack and angus out at colonial had a great time really two great guys those guys were no go ahead no i just i i i'm like smiling ear to ear because this could have been a horrific thing like you don't know who you're meeting you're you're you're meeting something someone on the internet that spent 100 bucks on merchandise, which is fucking awesome. We're going to do this contest again this year. And I was saying, if you buy $100 of merch, your receipt goes into this system. And we're going to pick just one person out of the legit thousands and thousands of people of the names. We didn't know who they're going to come from. They came from California, North Dakota. These guys happened to be in Connecticut.

They made the trip. Angus. And Angus Reed and Anthony Testy, who we then called Tony Ballsack and beef. And beef. Because of Angus. He said, Angus said no one's ever called him beef before in his whole life. How insane is that? Got some super uncreative friends. Right? They call him goose. They call him goose. I don't know what that means. He's got to be beef forever. And then Tony Ballsack. He used to be called Ballsac forever, but now he's Tony Ballsack. We, you know, I didn't know how this was going to go. I didn't know if these guys are going to be weird or not. We went to Colonial Springs. Holy shit. Couldn't have been nicer guys. We had a match of the century where it was, it was Angus. It was Beef and Trent versus Tony Ballsack and myself. And it came down to the wire.

and then Tony and myself played really good golf where we were we were crushing them. I was putting my fucking balls off. I think I put seven times on the back nine. I just kept one putting everything. It was hilarious. If this was on video, it would have been like our best putting performance we've ever had in a four play video of all time.

I must have had 300 feet worth of putts on the back night. It was hilarious. Then we go to Borrellys. There's live music at Borrellys. We're sitting down. We've got the Islanders on. They're playing against Carolina. So everyone was betting on the Islanders on the Barstles Sportsbook from when they were

coming through through new jersey they got that in then all of a sudden the world series is on we got live music my mom was there my sister was it was just like it was a fucking fun night like with just two strangers that now have become friends like i genuinely would go text angus and tony and just be like what are you guys doing tonight how's it going how's life going i want to know how's life going i mean it's one of those amazing moments in our lives where we got to just meet these two dudes that cared a lot about playing golf with us they came down they stayed in a hotel They went to fucking Dave and Busters. They watched Thursday night football.

They stayed the night after on Borellis because they didn't want to drive home drunk and it was a long drive. They just made a trip out of it, man. And that's so special for us. These are fucking fans of foreplay and they just wanted to be around us. And now we're legitimate friends. Legitimate friends. That's the magic of golf. That is the magic of golf.

It was great. We had a really, really good day. Shout to golf. And the Islanders won. And Josh Bailey scored and Brock Nelson scored two. Brock Nelson scored twice. I was screaming. I mean, they really got to see the real me.

I was like kicking. like shit around Borrelli's like just celebrating throwing chairs and stuff they're like this guy's like out of control yeah but it was a good time that's right uh hell yeah love that i i did watch a good amount of the live stuff because this was the last last time we were sorry to bring it to golf i know we we mean then don't want to talk about that no no i'm gonna not today should i just no no that's okay um yeah it's the last live event until february so i wanted to see what it was all about it was the first time all year where like you could actually the team competition felt like it was a focus.

That was something that bothered me about Live all year was they spent all this time talking about how important the team competition is, how important the franchises are and them having identities and how they're going to turn this into Formula One. And then the team competitions themselves just felt like side shows for the individual stuff. It wasn't nearly as not as much money. You never had the teams playing against each other, right? That's what's good about the Ryder Cup is you've got USA and you've got Europe. And each foursome is two guys from the USA and two guys from Europe and they play against each other.

And it's the same thing in college golf. about they play against each other. For the most live tournaments, it was just this guy's on this hole and this, and then you total them up at the end. So this was the first and only time that they really played against each other, and the only time that team stuff really took the front seat. And it was good action. I mean, here's what it is.

It came down to Dustin Johnson and Cameron Smith, and they were playing together. And this is kind of, Riggs and I were sort of talking about this. Well, there was like match play, right? Wasn't it match play for a lot of the week? Yeah, so the first two days were match play. So the top four teams got like got buys past the first round. Then the bottom eight teams all played each other.

And each match between two teams, there was two singles matches and one alternate shot match. So three points for each thing. You win two points. You advance. Then the final day, only four teams made it. And it was every guy plays his own ball and every score counts. So that was the format. And it was actually, it was a good format.

Like it was easy enough to follow. And you actually had the guys playing against each other. But what made it interesting was like at the end, it was two really good players and you had to see who wins. and it was like an individual competition. You know what I mean? It was like who's going to make the put? And I feel like the best other tournament they had

was the one where DJ won in a playoff against Lahiri and against Waki Neiman. And it was just like, oh yeah, those are two great golfers or three great golfers playing against each other trying to win a playoff. None of the good moments happened because of the team format. It's almost like their best bet to make good stuff would just be like have a normal golf tournament.

You guys have a lot of good players. There's probably going to be pretty decent to watch. But they have to try and be different in order to stand out in order to survive. So they're in kind of this weird spot now where the team stuff I felt like for the first year was basically a flop. No one gives a shit.

But they're so invested in the team concept that has to work. Yeah. So I turned it on, like I said, for a bit one day. I was into the match play part of it. And if you can get over, you know, if you're, if you're tuning in, you can get over the fact that there's no viable business model.

They've got $2 billion going out, zero dollars coming in. The only other justification for that is so Saudi Arabia could be horrific and not have anybody care about it. If you can get over all that, and you're watching it a little bit on YouTube, which I was match play is just king match play is fucking awesome and when I was watching I was texted Dan that it was hard for me to uh really it was hard for me to hone in on anything in

particular because there's so much going on and they got lights and music and there's different colors and the whole leaderboard at the same time and all the bullshit it was a little bit hard to focus on important things or focus on anything when you're trying to focus on everything that's like impossible but the matchplay aspect of it was fucking cool You had DJ going up against like a nobody. And the DJ team, the Aces had actually got to chose their opponent. And at one point,

it was like all four teams that had chosen their opponents because you basically, if you're a higher-ranked team, you got to like draft who you wanted to play against. We're actually at one point losing. Sorry, not to knock you off that. That I love. I wish professional sports do that because then you put a chip on the shoulder of the people that you pick.

They have all, I've always wished they would integrate that and do major American sports. Little shit like that. That was cool, exactly, and they were given the backstory, and you do have, like, you have Farity and these guys that you know, um, that are out there, like doing it and making these calls. So I was kind of into it at that point, Derao, you know the holes at Dural, um, just from them

having the tournament for years and years and years. So there's certain holes they go to that you know. So it was kind of felt like, oh, fuck, I'm in, I'm in a golf broadcast right now with some shit on the line. You had, um, Ian Poulter was playing Brooks Kepka in like a singles match. And so stuff like that where you're like, fuck, these guys are in a single polter was like missed a couple pots and was like fucking rattled that he was losing and you can tell that he was rattled. So you're like, okay, this is

real. And I thought that the the fact that you get match play almost instinctively or inherently creates a lot of the personal care about it that we, we have talked about is missing on the live, you know, broadcast where they're kind of like laughing like, oh, we made all this money because no matter who you are. Like when Kevin Kisner loses to us in a four-man scramble, him winning or losing doesn't actually mean anything in the universe ever, anywhere, ever, but he's pissed that he was losing and that he lost. And the rest of the day, you could see that he was upset that he lost because it's personal. It's one versus one. You're a competitive motherfucker. You don't want to lose. And I think when you have match play, no matter where it is, even if we go out and we're playing for

eliminate afterwards, like it doesn't matter what the stakes are. Like, you want to win. You want to beat the other two guys. That's just what matters. And I thought that that part of it was very clear to tell the guys weren't just like giggling and laughing out there. Like they were locked into their matches and it was it was fun to watch that aspect of it. Now, I did find it all like there. Somebody had like a big pot on the ninth hole.

Like Cam Smith, they cut to me had like a six footer he must make to tie the hole. You could literally hear the music from like the driving range. You could hear it blaring as they're like they're closing in on the shot. And I was just like, dude, even in the NHL, they play music in between puck drops, but then as soon as the face off, you know, they stop playing music. It's like you can't have music literally on and have a serious competition at the same time. That's just those two things are against each other. So it wasn't quite there.

But I did find myself right next to when I was playing COD and PJ Tour 2K23. I had this on. And there were aspects of it where I was like, all right, I got fucking Sergio Garcia and I got Dustin Johnson. and I got Cam Smith playing matchplay matches at Doral that they care about. That's kind of cool. Yeah, well, that's what I'm saying is that they need to lean into that like combative nature if they're going to make this a team competition. And the way you do that is with match play.

Before when you have it, when you have basically a team competition going on in the background of a stroke play golf tournament, it just doesn't, it just doesn't hit. Like you're saying, there's no combative nature. There's no head to head aspect to it. They need to double down on this if they want to, if they want to make this a team thing. They should match play all the fucking. time. They should have like one day that's match play at the end or something.

I mean, I think you're right. I think that's how you get. And then there's like, oh, he didn't give him his put back in Chicago and now we're in Jeddah and so fuck this guy. You need these teams to be playing against each other. The one thing I will say that I, and I wrote about this in the Monday morning rap, which you should read, Barsosports.com every Monday. It went up at 1230 today. So Monday afternoon wrap.

But anyways. Monday morning on the central time or west. Yes. It's a brunch rap. It's a brunch rap. That's exactly right. The press conferences before, you guys saw those. It was like everyone was talking shit to each other.

It was like Brooks was talking shit to Phil. It was talking shit to Ian Poulter. It was talking shit to Kevin Kna. I get it, right? You want to basically live as tried to market itself as the anti-PGA tour. With the PGA tour zigs, they zag. So if they don't let you wear shorts, we'll let you wear shorts. They don't let you bring your content guys inside the ropes.

We'll let you bring your content guys inside the ropes. You definitely don't get people talking like they're. on the PGA tour where they're openly talking shit to each other. It sounded like the way, you know, our listeners would talk to each other before a weekend round. But that's the problem. I don't like that. I don't like that it feels so casual. I don't like that it feels like, oh, we're all friends here. Everyone knows good-natured barbs. Like when you watch a sports, you want the players to be really, really into it, to feel like everything matters and to give those stupid answers in press conferences where they're saying, oh, you know, he's a great player. It's going

to take my best. You know, I'm really looking forward to the competition. I don't want a guy being they're like, oh, Brooks, like, you don't have a green jacket. And you know, like that just for me feels like an exhibition. It felt like the press conferences before Tiger played Phil or before Brooks played Bryson, where they need to do these like corny ass staged disses because the competition itself isn't enough for there to be any sort of buzz. So I don't think that these like corny, funny, like everyone in there is laughing and all the journalists are asking funny questions and everyone's like, oh, like I don't think that's

that does any favors for them trying to market themselves as real serious. competition. Yeah, I agree with that. I think it makes it more Mickey Mousey, you know. Yeah, but the only time, like, the only example I can ever think of where that actually occurred in the big tournament was when like Brooks chirp DJ before Harding Park final round and then actually played like shit and ended up not even being a factor when Colin won, but, but that never happens because it's almost, that wasn't a joke either.

That was like, that was real. Yeah. Right. Right. That was real. And like you almost, yeah, like you're saying, nobody in their right mind. would be talking really like shit publicly before a big golf tournament, golf match. Like that never happens because it's already so serious that you need to be locked in.

Like you need to be taking every aspect of it seriously. You don't want to give them bulletin board material. You don't want the other guy to be more motivated because you've already got your hands full and you already care so much about this whole thing. That yeah, I agree with that. That's like it's a little bit like, okay, they're forcing it. Right. And then they're wearing shorts and they're playing music during that punt that Cameron Smith needs to make. And it's like, besides all the money, like, what are we doing here?

And I just had this, this image when they were spraying the champagne and the, the announcer's like, this is golf, but louder. I'm like, we're going to look back on this in 10 years and be like, was that a fever dream? Like, what, what happened? You know, did they, did Dustin Johnson really take the Saudis for $150 million in one year? Like, when they, I think match plays the answer. Yeah, I do too. I liked the match play a lot.

When they did the champagne pop in and the, and then the smoke shot up from the stage, I was like, are we at like an Avici shot? Like, what the fuck is this? It was, it was, that was weird, man. That's just weird. The whole thing, and I've said this from the beginning, I think I tweeted it when this first was going on.

I need Will Farrell to make a parody sports movie about this whole thing. It felt like a parody when they were up there. It's already a parody that you really, you don't even have to write that much if you're right in that movie. You just take this. Saudi-backed, flush with cash league, and you just throw the most outrageous parties on private jets.

You're 90% of the way there. You throw Will Ferrell and John C. Riley, put Adam McKay as the director, and we got ourselves a movie. We do. We got ourselves to hit. I mean, I want to, this quote I saw from Pat Perez, and this is kind of how I feel about live in general. He said, yesterday he said all the pushback, all the negative comments, everything we've gotten. At this point, I don't really care.

I mean, I don't care. I'm paid. I don't give a damn. Wasn't he against? Wasn't he against? That's Will Ferrell. Everyone is there just being like, I'm super rich. I don't give a fuck what you guys think.

Wasn't Pat Perez like anti-Live when he was on a TVA tour show? Yeah, he made some comments. He made plenty of comments being like, yeah, basically no. I think that's messed up. The tour's like, you know, the tours created all your life and your, in your livelihood. He always said like, we owe it to Tiger Woods. The reason why we even make life-changing money is because it. the Tiger Woods. If it wasn't for Tiger Woods, we wouldn't be able to do it. How could you go

against Tiger Woods? All this stuff. And now he's just anti all of that. I mean, that's like pathetic by Pat Perez, if we're being honest. I saw someone tweeted us that they had, and this may be false. I mean, this is just a guy tweeting, but someone tweeted us that they screamed out the Pat as he was walking by at the live event being like, hey, you're going to go on the four place show? And he wrote, he said, fuck no, fuck those guys as he kept walking. Is that true? Yeah, I guess Pat Perez was like, I'll fucking never go back on that show. Fuck those. guys. It's like, are you really that butt hurt that like we have people that are just

like talking about the league that you're in that you shared the same opinions as us as like three months ago? I mean, what are you talking about, Pat? Oh, every time we were with Pat it felt like he was very, just like just shooting the shit. He's very loyal to the PJ tour and all the Tiger stuff that you were saying.

Yeah, I don't know if that actually happens. Is Pat Perez the fakes person in golf then? That's my question. Do we know if that's real? I don't know. Do we? Because he's been great. He's been texting me throughout the whole thing and like responding to stuff that we say and everything. So I would be very surprised if he said that. Yeah, I would be surprised too.

But I mean, I did see it. And I could see him being very anti anyone that's talking about with the what the quotes of him saying like fuck anyone that really cares. I'm the one that got paid and I don't I don't care anymore. He was not to that same tune that tune last year. That's a fact. We have gotten to a point with this where like the opinions of people on both sides. at the beginning, I'm sure they have changed.

With the lawsuits and the us versus them mentality, like I'm sure that guys' opinions have changed on both sides. Like if you're at the PJ tour, you were initially like, yeah, I mean, I got nothing against it. Like they're going to get their money. That's, you know, where this is a job where it's make money. Boom, a lawsuit drops and then the tone changes.

And then once the tone changes on one side, the tone is going to change on the other side to the point where it becomes this cat fighting that is people are going to, just going to say things that they didn't think they were going to say originally. Yeah, the lawsuit changed everything. The first lawsuit from the live guys against the P. Everything's cool till somebody sues you. That's what it was.

Remember, we were asking Tommy about this, like right after the President's Cup when we had him and Tom came on the same show. Shout out to the Tom's. And he was like, yeah, it was all cool. They were going to get their money. And then they turned around and suit us. And that kind of changed things because, you know, money is involved. But I've been at these live events.

And it's such an us versus them mentality. It's crazy because they're being ostracized in the. media and these guys already surround themselves with yes men and then you have all these live executives who are telling them like the media is out to get you the PJ tour has been taking advantage of you they've been underpaying you and they've given you shit tea times and this has all been wrong and so a lot of these guys really do believe that they are these trailblazers who are fighting this the good fight basically and so yeah it's it's it's really like tribal at this point you got you're either a live guy or a PJ tour guy.

Phil said it last week. He's like, you got to pick a side in this thing. And it's wild that it's gotten to this point. But that's where we are. That's like best case scenario for us. That there's just. You think so? Yeah.

There's people have to pick sides publicly. Yeah. Like that there's animosity between two different tours. It's fucking great. Right. I've always branded myself on this show as a headline guy. And I, you know, these are the headlines. Like if you had said to me 24 months ago like,

hey man, there's going to be a rival league that pops up. grabs a bunch of top tier big name talent, and the two leagues end up hating each other. I would have had a rock hard boner talking about that. Whoa. And now here we are. And it's, you know,

sometimes you get caught in the weeds of it, which, you know, the weeds are pretty important. And like, there's some horrific shit going on in the weeds. But like from a, just a vantage point of,

we are people who cover a sport where there is a division right now, it's pretty fucking nuts. I've been on CNN. like 25 times in the last year. I was never on CNN before. You know what I mean? And people are saying, oh, are you tired of talking about this live stuff?

This is the greatest thing that ever happened to, I mean, I mean, from a media perspective, because I was already so bored after two years of writing about birdies and bogeys. You can only write so many stories that are like, this guy sucked and then he changed something and now he doesn't suck anymore. This has given us something to analyze and something to talk about that has been spicy. Right. And it's injecting a little NBA into PGA tour. Yeah, this league.

Like a little bit of like drama. this league type shit. Right. And I've largely been pretty anti-live in terms of like the opinions that I have on the show. But the fact of the matter is is I don't think, I'm pretty sure I can't change anything. I don't think the things that I say are directly going to make change happens. So from that vantage point, I'm now just a, a watcher of the landscape of the game of golf. And in that respect, it's like, this is crazy and it's super interesting.

You've been sports washed. That's what Will Bardwell will tell you. Probably. I don't know. I don't know. Live has certainly injected themselves and made themselves a part of the golf world to a point that I did not think that it would get. And I don't know what, like, am I just, what am I supposed to do?

Am I supposed to just ignore it and act like it's not happening? Then people will say, what the fuck? You're so, so pro PJ tour that you're turning a blind eye to this rival league that is clearly making waves. No, I'm not going to do that. I'm going to talk about it because it's a thing that's happening. It is. I mean, you've got the number of three ranked player in the world is out there like playing a golf course and matches against other, like you're going to, you know, we're going to talk about it. I don't really. I don't know. I haven't gone to any live events. I don't plan on going to go any, but I, you know, I'm going to talk about it. One thing I will say. I want to

talk about it. Right. I don't know if, I don't know if Cameron Smith is the best player in the world. But you know those hypotheticals where it's like if you needed someone to shoot 64 or something to save your life, I think I would choose Cameron Smith. Because between the 10 birdies that he made in the final round of the players, between him chasing down and leapfrogging Rorty McElroy on Sunday of the Open Championship, and then his 65 yesterday at Doral, which is a really, really hard golf course. That guy, when he knows, all right, there's one round and I got to go out there and shoot something low, he's able to do it probably better than anyone right now. Did you guys have- He just pours in puts.

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like Phil obviously is at a weird last couple months like a year now at this point where he's very sheepish and he's very you know tail between the legs press conferences but I heard that his appearance on the live broadcast was like charismatic and like old oh he's back he's been like that way in the press conferences when he was talking shit to the PGA tour like that period of time where you said right where he had a tail between his legs after the shipnuck stuff that's over Phil's well that first interview is brutal oh the one at the US Open that was like yeah yeah it was pringeworthy yeah that was brutal yeah that was brutal yeah it was brutal yeah it was I was there. That was not far. And also, that's, that's, like, Phil, that's a career that he could have had. I don't know if he can still have it. Like, on the PJ tour side and that, and that part of it, he was destined to take that chair and be that guy. Right. And now it's, obviously, we're in a whole different spot. But it's interesting that he still has that and still is able to do it. And it's just sitting out there. But now he's part of this rogue league where he just, that future isn't necessarily. there anymore. Now that Liv's first season is in the books and you've been able to take everything into account, what is your thoughts right now on this is Halloween? Happy Halloween, by the way, everybody. What are your thoughts on going into the next four majors next year? Do you think these guys will be allowed in? And if not, what's the plan? Yeah, it's a good question.

The R&A, the head of the R&A, who's the head of the Open Championship, Peter Dawson, basically said this week that they're not going to ban anybody and that their mission is to have the best players playing in their tournament. Wow. Which I think was kind of the most sort of pro-live comments that anyone in a position of power like that has made, which is basically saying, look, we're golf fans here. We know that Dustin Johnson and Cameron Smith are some of the best players in the world. We want them to play in our tournament. So there's no chance that they're banned. Now, could they continue with this sort of shadow banning, which would basically be like, we're going to go by the official.

World Golf Rankings, which all those guys are tumbling down. I mean, DJ's like in the 30s now, which is kind of laughable given how well he's played. They could do that, but I wouldn't be surprised if there's some, some like the top five finishers and lives this, you know, get into the majors. I really wouldn't be surprised if that happens because if they can brand themselves as the four times a year when everyone plays against each other, that's good for them from marketing. Oh, yeah. It's the best marketing for a major that's ever happened.

They become the Champions League of golf, and that even further insulates them as being above these normal tour events. Yeah. Yeah. This is like what the PJ Championship has always needed, really. Is like a reason to like, they can, they should actually say it's going to be live versus PGA tour. That should be their thing. We've always said they need a lane. We're giving their 13 times.

It's all mixed. It's all mixed with live. It should be just the animosity major. That'd be great. I don't hate that. Isn't there something going on with, um, Augusta and the PJ Tour and the feds and the feds are now looking into, yeah. So there's this big antitrust case against the PGA tour and it's now been broadened to include

the USGA, the PGA of America and Augusta National, which basically means the feds want to see all these communications between the PGA tour and Augusta, which could lead to some pretty spicy because most of the majors, especially early on, were kind of vocally against live golf. They said it's not good for the game, you know. If the PJ tour kind of fed them that or told them to say that, I'm not saying they did. I don't know. That could get them in some hot water. So again, this is just beginning.

Why could that get them in hot water? That's my question. It's collusion. Because it's collusion. Collusion to do what? To shun out a potential competitor to maintain your oligopoly. Oh. So basically they're saying like you essentially, you basically have a monopoly and you are going behind the scenes with others.

to protect your monopoly by stifling a new competitor to that monopoly. That was a Harvard answer precisely. Well, I was trying to get it actually. So interesting. Yeah, I just would, to me in my brain, that shouldn't be illegal. Like, that shouldn't be illegal if like BJ Tor hits up the masters and is like, hey, like, yeah, this, these guys are for whatever reason? We don't like what's going on there. What are you doing?

Are you going to like help us? Not necessarily. Like if the tour obviously was like behind the scenes. paying money under the table for them to do X, Y, or Z. I could see that being illegal. But in communications, if they're like, what's your plan? We would really like it if you did this. That to me shouldn't, I'd be surprised if that's illegal.

There's obviously some line that I don't know where it is. Right. Because to me, that's like gathering allies. That's like, that's Reniro, you know, going to House Stark and being like, you got to be on our side here. And just like, if it's as black and white as like, if, if live makes the argument that their players playing in that major solidifies or or makes them what they want to be and that their competitors stopping them from doing that. I feel like that probably is towing a line of

trying to keep your monopoly into being illegal. You know what I mean? Definitely a line. It's not I just don't know where the line is. Yeah. So, Frankie, you're getting dominant. I'm getting crushed by this fucking light man. And it's like it's getting killed. It's killing me right now. I spoke to an antitrust lawyer about this a few weeks ago. What is that noise? That's just my fucking squeaky ass seat. No, it sounds like some music bumping. Sorry, some website just started playing music. I stopped to some, I talked to an antitrust guy.

It's not illegal to have a monopoly if you just have like a better product, right? So that's what the tour can kind of say is like we're protecting our product. In order to be in violation of antitrust rules, you have to act unlawfully to maintain your monopoly. And I'm not sure if like you said, trying to rally your allies is illegal or if that's just. trying to protect your product. That's what I was, that's what I would be surprised by. But I guess if they go to a certain length,

right, of like, here's the message you need to say this publicly. I could see that crossing line. But if they're just communications are like, hey, we're trying to make sure, you know,

we protect what we've got here. These guys are bad actors in the space. It's going to hurt golf long term. So if, you know, where, like, that type of communication,

I feel like would be fine. But yeah, I don't know how they kind of, I guess it's up to like a judge to basically define what's going to be wrong and not. Right. Like, I don't know, like, who has those answers?

Like, you ask a lawyer and they, it's all probably precedent, right? Like, this is what would happen in the past. And so this is how we're going to proceed in the future. I just, like, if I'm a, thank God for lawyers. It's just like they go through all this shit. They go through all the paperwork. And they ultimately have to come to a decision. Now it's probably if it's a PJ tour lawyer, they're going to have one opinion.

If it's a live lawyer, they're going to have another opinion. It's just, I don't know how they ever get to a resolution and shit like this. I don't, yeah, I don't know how regular. people are put in charge of making these decisions. Like I have a buddy who's in corporate insurances and like he's one of my really good friends and I listen to him on the call sometimes when and like as he's dealing with lawyers and they're like, are we going to, is this going to fall under this claim? Is this going to fall under this insurance? And I got just my 29 year old buddy being like, yeah, I think that we can probably cover that, make sure that's

in the writing. I'm like, if that's now like the wrong thing, he has to talk with lawyers for days about if that should be under this insurance claim and like if this does happen. And you're talking like airports and billion dollar deals like how the fuck do they even come up with these answers who the hell is sitting in a room being like you know what that is collusion like is it one person is it right 30 people do they take a vote it's a whole litigation department of these is it one judge that's like yeah i think the judge it is like a judge the judge comes down to like oh i know this judge or he's in this jurisdiction and i know like it in my understanding of all this and not just live p j tour but like legislation

in general and legal cases is that no there's never a right answer it's just who has the most compelling argument and it goes to a favorable judge and then that's it very it's fucking crazy and what's crazy is you would think that all these contracts forever like like as they're writing these contracts up they're taking into account all these things that could possibly happen like that's why i feel like live is having such is having such trouble and they want to fight it because they probably did in their contracts say at some point that these guys would be able to do other stuff like playing the majors. Like wouldn't you think that those players would have signed on thinking they have their right to

play? They were told that they were going to get world ranking points by now. That's sort of the only thing. That is where like crazy legal stuff comes in. Now you have like breach of contracts that like players thought that this was what they were going to get. But the PJ Tours now maybe colluding with like the world ranking people saying like you can't give them points.

From that aspect of it like I think Saudi Arabia. Arabia is going to be like, oh, we, you know, like, oh, you don't like your contract. You think we violate your contract? Like, we won't pay your $100 million. Fine. It's like, what are they? The spiciest thing that could happen, and this thing's already spicy, is if a live guy tries to defect back to the TV door.

We need someone to go back. We really do. That would be like one guy out there to say it'll happen. You think so? Dude, I don't. I don't think that's going to happen. At some point, it'll happen. I don't know that it's going to be soon, but you got to think at some point.

someone's going to defect back. Someone's going to be a, you know, they're going to have an issue. They're going to, like you're saying, their contract, they're going to be pissed about. They're not going to be getting into the tournaments or going to the way that they wanted to go.

And they're going to be like, I'm out. And at that point, then we might get them to talk. And, hey. Dude, imagine if Jay Monaghan went, he held a press conference today and he said,

we got one spot. We got one spot open for the first guy that defects. We will take away the band. You can join the PJ tour. It would be like nothing happened. we got one spot open. One of you guys comes back. That would be great.

You can have your card. We can, we'll act like none of this ever happened. But we're only got one spot. So decide amongst yourselves. Talk to your people. We need an answer in 48 hours. Do you think anyone would do it? Yes.

Do they have to give their money back? Do they have to give their money back? That's a good question. Because if they don't have to give their money back, I think Pat Perez might do it. He just picked up $18 million dollars. You can just go back now and that's it. You know, maybe to, for the. safety of everyone involved, maybe give the money back.

Problem is that's not up to the tour in this scenario. I think Jay Monaghan has the most cushiony job right now in America because you just can't get rid of this guy while this is all going on, right? There's no way the PGA tour can get rid of Jay Monaghan. I also think that he's come under like a lot of scrutiny that normally it's like the PJ tour, the commissioner of the PJ tour is just kind of like a smile and hand out the trophy job. I know, but isn't it?

Isn't it so deep that like if you brought in a new voice? Yeah, no, it would. flip it on its head. It would also be a terrible optics. Right. It's a show of weakness. It's a weakness show. Like he's in such shit that you just can't get rid of him right now.

Greg Norman has got to just see it. Like, mems of him and shit. Oh my God. Greg Norman would go crazy. Yeah. It'd be like I just think that if the PJ tour changed the head of their tour during this, it would look like they lost.

And then that would be the ultimate I lose move. But also, let's say that the scenario that I laid out maybe happens where Jay Monaghan says we got one. spot that definitely like the him advocating for someone to breach their contract is another lawsuit like you totally it's it's a hundred percent the most red tape possible with all this stuff well what's stopping a guy from just leaving live and going back to pGA tour right now he has a contract with live that says i'm going to play this many events and he could say stops that and just goes i'm done then they won't pay him his money right but like my point is like does the pGA tour need to have this thing

that trent's saying where like he has one spot available or can they just Can Brooks Keppka just rip up his contract and just be like, I'm just going to go get my card again and just playing the PGA tour? Does he need to be pardoned? Because I think right now in the state that we're in, if a guy were to do that, there's no guarantee that he can go back to the PJ tour. So even if they have no contract with live, we think that they can't go back because they did this. I would think that's what we say we need to see it. We just don't know. That's why what the one spot does is it motivates people.

There's one of these guys or two or three of these guys in the back of their heads is probably. probably thinking, did I make the right choice? And then if that answer is no, then a one spot ultimatum motivates them and like, this is my chance to get back. I think if these guys are going to be able to play in the majors next year, that you're going to get 10 more guys going over of like the top 30 best players in the world. Aren't there no more spots available? No, so there's a couple of spots.

It sounds like they're going to have 60 players because so they can have like subs, even though it's only 48. Wouldn't they bounce guys out to? Yeah, and that's a thing. Like if they can sign Xander Schoffley or Patrick Cantley or whatever, you know, one of these big players, then they'll find space for them, I think. You're like a payout. It'd be like a baseball team buying out your guy.

Just like, you're gone. Yeah, just be like, this guy's a lot better than you. I think you're right, Frankie. I think there's definitely going to be guys who are like, I don't know how long this is going to be a thing. I don't know how long they're going to be willing to pay this crazy money without any money coming in. You know, I'll take my $100 million now and then it'll sort itself out in two or three

years down the road. Yeah. And if it doesn't, you're just retired with $100 million. That's the thing is like the money he cashes. It's real money. I think Jay needs a whole press conference today. And that's, that is still, and you still get to itch that competition part of your brain where you're like, I still get to play against the best players in the world four times a year in the majors. I just don't have to play the St. Jude Classic anymore. Well, that's the $100 million. That's the ultimate wake-up call. That's the ultimate wake-up call for the PJ tour where it's, black and white playing that the only tournaments that matter are the majors. The question is too really going to be how they get into the majors, right?

Because it might not be the majors of banning them, but like if you, they're not getting world ranking points and you drop outside the top 50, which a lot of these guys clearly are. And then like you, and you haven't finished in the top five or 10 and one of the majors in the last couple of years or whatever it is. Like then you're,

it's not that the majors would be like, your band. They'd be like you're not, you didn't qualify for eligible. That's what he said. It's like a shadow ban. It's like a shadow ban. Yeah, it's like you're not playing.

Like, I don't know what to tell you. If you're, if you're a mid-level guy even on Liv, like, you're not qualifying for the majors, right? Like, how would you qualify for the majors? How would you get into the majors? Right. Well, they would have to create, like, you know, top, you know, how every guy who makes it to her championship gets into all four majors. Maybe they do that for Liv where the top five or seven guys already, you know, getting majors. I'm not sure, but they could do it just that way.

I could see top five or seven, but I'm saying if you're 25th guy on Liv or You play final qualifying. You're not playing in a major? You try and qualify. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's like the best of all the worlds for the majors.

They get to just say yes. And then the guys probably don't even get in. What's the latest that Augusta can hold off until they have to make a decision? A couple weeks, right? Don't they do the call off like a couple weeks before? I think they sent out invites in January. Right. You know, their first batch of invites.

But they can do, I mean, they can do whatever they want. They're Augusta National. But again, I just, there's like seven former master's champions who were. Phil Nicholson not getting an invitation to Bubba Watson, Dustin Johnson. I mean, come on now. Phil didn't play this year in the Masters, which is still,

it feels nuts that he didn't play. That was because of his own decision, right? Like, he was taking time off. I think it was, the guy called him and was like, hey, so you're not going to play this year, right? And he's like, yeah, I'm not going to play this year. Or he was already sure that he was making the jump

and he didn't want to answer any questions. I don't know. I'm getting my timeline mixed up. Was it the jump or did the ship, not quotes come out right before the Masters? That came out in February, yeah. Yeah, so that's what did him in for sure. Yeah, that's what he agreed with the live people that my next start will be wherever their

first event was. That's what a lot of people were thinking, because he didn't play PGA either, and then like the next week he played the live opener. Right. Right. He didn't play as the defending champion at the PGA championship. I think my opinion is that if that's the quote never comes out, I think Phil plays in the Masters last year for sure.

I think that was that was You're looking a lot like JT right now Damage right now You're starting to see it You're looking like Justin Thomas right now Like in this pose You look a lot like Justin Thomas I just yeah

I don't know what to tell you Two good looking guys Live golf Interesting interesting Interesting stuff Oh I wanted to say something that I couldn't say before Let's do it

Sure I've been wanting to say this And I couldn't say to my old job The HBO Max app is fucking terrible. It is horrific, horrendous. I couldn't say it before because Golf Ditis is owned by Discovery, which also

Warner Bros. Discovery owns HBO Max. It's the worst app in the world. And I'm so frustrated that I can't fast forward. What's going out to HBO app? I actually never had an issue for that. If I try and rewind like once or twice, then it's just done. Oh, wow.

Tops out, finished on Roku. So I just totally Mick used to complain about that all the time. He was like HBO over this money. It's the biggest shows ever and they just can't figure out again. My HBO Max app is fun. I don't feel like I ever have any issues. I'm actually watching a Discovery Plus show right now that is fantastic, but I noticed that some weird thing happened where it just like,

it went to the next episode and then I was in the middle of episode two. And I watched for five minutes. I'm like, something's off right now. And then I went, I clicked down and it was like I was 35 minutes into episode two. It's called The Offer with Miles Teller. It's all about how the Godfather was written. Oh, I heard it's really good. Honey balls told me about that.

Bro, it's kind of like the first episode and the first couple of episodes is like, everything's happening so fast and you're just like wow i wish this was like not happening so fast but i guess they have to get to certain parts um it's really if you just watch it for what you want to watch it for which is just like godfather type shit it's really really cool and there's some really good characters in like frank sinatra's in it it's fucking good it's really really cool do we got uh two episodes in do we have white lotus people on the podcast i watched white lotus last night what a fucking episode i haven't watched it uh me either i watched the last one but i haven't watched this one I kind of slipped my mind.

I got to get back into like post. Oh, you got to watch tonight. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll probably watch it tonight. So I will, the first season of White Lotus was, beautiful, fantastic. So I'm very excited to watch season two.

It's in Italy, right? Yep. We also got to take a moment. What's it called a, when there's different actors? An ensemble? Well, no. Oh, it's an anthology.

Anthology. I didn't think I'd like that because I loved the characters in White Lotus season one. And I guess I know why. why they couldn't do it because a lot of stuff happened at the end of season one. But wow, really good. Right from the jump, you're like, yep, we're just in Italy now and I'm invested in this now. Yes.

Yeah, no, dude, Trent, you're going to, like, first 10 minutes, you're like, yep, I'm just back in White Lotus. Like, I don't care that it's all new people. Oh, I don't have any, I don't have any qualms about that. Fucking awesome. We got to acknowledge that we, the last time we were together, we were like, all right, we're going to talk about Thrones at the end. So anyone who wants to, you can skip it. And then we just completely forgot to talk about Thrones.

It was a great season finale. It's what the show is about, man. We do that. We've said we're going to do from the gallery a thousand times. We've done it like, I don't know, 50. I got to get downstairs. This is my first year with trick-or-treaters at my new house. So I have to, I got to get down there and make sure I give out some candy.

I got a bunch of good candy. What kind of candy? Let's make sure that you're not. Well, you ate half of it, so you know exactly what kind of candy is. Well, I know there's no milk duds in your house. You ate all the milk duds. But we did, we were replenished milk duds. We got woppers.

We got big. life size or full size chocolate bars like special kids for the special like for like anyone that's really if you're if you if you wore like a really special costume like if you're like wow this kid went fucking all in this year like if i'm gonna be basically doing like my own little contest i don't say you're out there you're like uh i'm literally gonna be like if i don't think they that's crazy i'm giving them the smaller piece but i have these big full bars of hershe's classic full bars, Hershey's Kikas, Rises, like the big

Reeses, and if I see a fucking really good costume, bang, it's going right in his fucking bucket. You are, you're going to have kids walking around with their parents. Their parents, like, got this costume for them, dressed them up, and you're going to be like, nah. Fun, no, fun size. Fun size, Snickers. They're going to be like, Mommy, I told

you this. They won't even know because they don't, you know, why, they're not even going to care that. I can't even give me the big life size one. They won't even know. How about this, though? Two kids walk up their friends. One's got a gray costume. One's a ghost with eyes. One put a bed sheet over their head.

Yeah, with eye. I'm given the, I'm given the one who didn't care. I'm giving him a little life, fun-sized snickers. I'm making him turn. I'm, all right, get out of here. And I'm holding the other kid back saying, yeah, good job.

Just hide this from him. You're all right, having a ranking system with the candy that you give out on Halloween is just too involved. It's too involved. I would, at least I'm not like my parents. My mom gives out fucking pretzels, man. Come on. I used to fucking hate when she did that.

Pretzels and Doritos. I know this is like a time and place where you need like that. It's all chocolate. But come on. I think I heard that she was maybe giving out veggie strips. And I got to go there. I got to make a phone call. We can't be the house that's given out veggie strips.

No, no, no. It's a good little thing. You're going to get teepee tomorrow if you do that. Come on. We can't be giving out veggie stras. When do you think that's going to start? What time? What time is the kid's starting to show?

I don't know. I have my simply safe. ready to go. I've been looking outside and I haven't seen anyone walk by but you know we're in a village we're in like a town. You got to think that there's going to be a lot of kids walking around hopefully they're just going to be a bunch. You're going to meet probably a lot of your neighbors. You probably meet some neighbors today. Yeah, I met a couple neighbors. Yeah, I don't know what I'm going to do. I don't know what I'm going to do. Are you going to be dressed up for this? I have a nice hoodie that I'm going to wear. It's just like a it's just a big fucking cat and a pumpkin. So all right.

I really hope that they're not going to do it through my apartment, right? I don't think so. I was just thinking that turn. I think we're safe. I got nothing. I'm going to turn. I'll mute the TV and turn the lights off. Yeah.

I'll give the kid a Zim. Peter Malar shirts. Right. I got, I got some coffee. I'll pour them a cup of coffee. You can have a peppermine Zinn if you want, but other than that, we're pretty empty over here.

You wouldn't play a tennis instructor to improve your putting game. Is that correct? That's correct. Only Chris, yeah, I wouldn't. I got a, I went to sport clips today. How do I, how do I look today? This is, you went to sport clips. I did.

Yeah, I got a haircut today. I can tell. It's perfect. It's absolutely perfect. The whole point is that you would go to an expert to improve your putting. So why would you want to get your haircut by someone not trained in men's hair? You wouldn't. That's why you should go to the stylist at sport clips because they've got you covered, which is what Trent's done.

They're specifically at sport clips trained to deal with guys' hair so you can sit down in the chair with confidence while you're there ask for the MVP haircut experience hairput uh it comes with a hot steam towel infused with a blend of essential oils lavender camamil eucalyptus and all especially formulated for your relaxation sport clips they are the pros in men's hair again it would not make much sense to go to someone if you are a man looking for a man's haircut with someone who's an expert in men's haircuts to go to someone who isn't so do yourself a favor go to sport clips They are the pros in men's hair.

I don't know if we're still recording, but I just had something come across my desk from CNN that I've been tagged in 50 times. What? Astronomers have spotted three near-earth asteroids that were lurking undetected within the glare of the sun. One of the asteroids is the largest potentially hazardous object to Earth to be discovered in the last eight years.

They are calling it the planet killer, and it has been spotted hiding in the sun's glare. This is like breaking news out of this world on CNN right now. Dude, what? Yeah. Is this how I'm going to find out that this place is going? Yeah, like is that the big piece of news? I told you this glare.

If it just comes from behind the sun, it's over. What did you tell us that? When did you tell me that? When that movie, Don't Look Up came out, they were like, you're just never going to be able to see these things. Like,

if they're behind the sun's glare, it's over. It's going to be on their website, but they don't have any bloggers that can get this shit up fast where it's only on Twitter. This is the scenario that we talked about where first they put out the don't look up movie

where it's like, that's interesting. Like, it could happen. You know, the asteroids, they're entering our atmosphere more than we know. And then, you know, a couple months ago, they shot the rockets at it to destroy it. So it didn't hit. And now we have.

Why is she smiling while she's reading? She's literally, I'm watching this. Why is she smiling? The word underneath her is planet killer asteroid has been spotted hiding in the sun's glare and she's smiling telling the news. This is this girl out to lunch? What is wrong with her? largest potentially hazards

I'll just be discovered in eight years I mean hopefully this thing just doesn't come near us but it's one of those things where it's like one of these days it's over dude it's absolutely over planet killer is the one of the asteroids called 2022 AP7 is 0.9 miles wide

oh that's too big man and has an orbit that could bring it within earth's path in the future but it's difficult for scientists to know when our twilight survey is scouring the area within the orbits of Earth and Venus for asteroids. So far we found two large near-Earth asteroids that are about one kilometer across, a size that we call planet killers.

You tell me this thing is like an outfielder that can't catch a baseball because they're looking into the sun. That's why we can't see these things. Scientists don't know the asteroid orbit with enough precision to say how dangerous it could become in the future, but for now it will stay, it will stay well away from Earth. They don't know when it's coming back. feels like they buried the lead there. It says the asteroids belong to a group found within the orbits of Earth and Venus,

but they're incredibly difficult to observe because the brightness of the sun shields them from telescope observations. Our telescopes are like covering their fucking eyes trying to see these things. What are we talking about? What? They can see fucking spots across other suns 10 billion light years away. And they're like, oh, that's a planet that can have life on it. These things are between us and the sun and the, it's the sun's glare is.

too bright. It would be a mass, quote, it would be a mass extinction event like hasn't been seen on earth in millions and millions of years. Where's Dr. Eric Smith? Where's he at? That's our guy's name, right? From NASA? There was a moment there

when Frankie was reading that off where I was thinking in my head, I can't believe Frankie's the guy who's breaking this news to me. You know, I met this guy however long ago. And, you know, I didn't know that eventually he would be the guy who told me that the planet was going to explode. During the golf podcast. During a golf podcast. Wow.

All right. Well, that's the podcast. And we'll see you later. Everybody be safe. Assuming this asteroid stays put. Jesus Christ. Be safe for, you know. Or do whatever you want because she's smiling through it.

Bye, I can't get over. She's so happy about it. It's crazy. All right. Hit it hard. Hit it hard. Hit it hard.

Like the asteroid is going to hit us hard. All right, folks. We're joined today by someone who my, I instantly get like some childhood throwbacks from watching TV, watching the Springer show. Steve Wilcoast joins the show, security guard, Marine Corps veteran, Chicago Police Department veteran. So you got a crazy life, crazy story. And like I said, I've been watching for a long time.

So welcome to the show. We're happy to have you. I love being on. So obviously you've been doing, I believe you've been doing your own show now for 15 years. Is that right? Yeah, we're taping 16. season 16 right now. Is it ever just crazy to you that you, you know, I mean, you're from, even from your dad to your

life, it was a lot of, you know, again, military law enforcement. You were in law enforcement when you eventually got the job with Jerry Springer. Now here you are, you're in, been in show business. It feels like forever. Is that ever just crazy to you? Yeah, it's crazy every time I think about it because, you know, I tell the story of when the Springer show was at its high. you know in the late 90s we went out to do the movie Austin Powers too and I remember like

ever heard of it so good we're a big Austin Powers podcast we're a big Austin Power we actually talking about this last week how much we love Austin Powers yeah so you know we're out there and we're out in L.A. and we're in this trailer that's just decked out with like booze and food and you know it's really comfortable and I remember like looking out the window of the trailer or RV or whatever the hell it was. And seeing like this long pack cattle line of extras and they're all, you know, they're going to make no money. They got to stand in the line.

And here, you know, I've never, ever a day of my life tried to be in entertainment world. And I'm, you know, going to get a credit on a major movie. And I didn't have to audition. I didn't have to do anything. And here I'm in TV. and I never try to be in TV. And all these poor saps are trying their hardest to get their break in the entertainment world. I just go, man, something's not right about that.

It's such a cool and unique way that you got into it. I mean, I, you know, at that time, right, I'm born in 87. So for me, it was like when I was 13, 14, 15, you're starting to get into TV. You're starting to, like, change year by year as a person a lot. And I remember we were obsessed with the Springer show. And at the time, I mean, we didn't have Internet at the time. at that point it wasn't quite around yet. We didn't have a billion channels on TV.

You had like, especially later at night, you had like four channels where there was shit that was on TV. So I would watch you over and over and over again. Was it like, did you realize that you guys were part of a phenomenon at the time? Because there was nothing like it, I feel like. Yeah, we really did because it really was the craziest time of my life because Jerry became the biggest start in the world for that period of time. And it's just like I said, when you're getting offers to be in like Austin Powers too,

which Austin Powers, the first one was such a huge shit. You just knew. And then we were doing every talk show in the world and we were getting bit parts on sitcoms and mad TV and all that. So yeah, we knew it was, you know, a huge deal. And just the, you know, we're talking about talk show that, you know, like, in the 90s, the Bulls, Chicago Bulls tickets were like impossible to get. So are Springer tickets. And it was a talk show.

Like, you know, like we tap and Stanford Connecticut, which is in Chicago like we used to. Man, we're begging people that come in a show, you know, Springer back in a day, like, people were begging me like to get tickets. And so, yeah, it was just really crazy time. For the people who don't know, how did you get started with Springer? Because you mentioned that this was never a good. goal of yours. It wasn't like you fancied yourself an entertainer, you know, at night. So how did you

start this crazy journey that's taking you to year 16 of your own show now? Yeah. So, you know, my dad was in the military, became a Chicago police officer. I looked up to my dad. My dad was my hero. I wanted to be just like my dad. So after high school, I went into the Marine Corps. I got out. I became a Chicago policeman. And, you know, I was going to do 30 years of that, get my city pension and retire. Well, uh, uh, I was. I got asked by Mike McDermott, who runs my security. Now, we were both cops in the 14th district in Chicago. And I was walking out of the station one night, about 1 o'clock in the morning.

I just finished my shift. And he said, hey, we need an extra guy for this talk show tomorrow. I didn't even ask, what I just said, how much is it paying? He said, $35 an hour. And I was like, bam. No problem. Thank you. I mean, this is 1994.

$35 an hour was a lot of money. It's probably a lot of money. not to a lot of people. So I went there. It was supposed to be for one day. Then the guy who was kind of running security there, he knew I was dependable. So whenever he called me, yeah, I'll be there.

And then he ended up getting fired. And I happened, when they fired him, they fired him over the phone. And I was standing right there. And his producer looked at me and goes, hey, you want to run security here? And I go, yeah. And so then, and that's when the show

kind of boring and then when he started changing it where it was more conflict-driven the love triangles and whatnot they said hey we'd like you to be here all the time and i said great and uh that's how it it kind of led into that i never again like i never in a million years thought i'd be an entertainer or uh be in tv like when i was on a crime scene and the news would show up man i'd race home to see if i get a glimpse myself on the news you know and here I am now on TV every day. And it was funny because, like, people, I go to a Cubs game and people will be like,

oh, man, you know, maybe we'll be up on the border, and I'm like, I'm on TV every day, man, I don't get it. You know, after all these years, is there anything that surprises you with the show? You have the craziest reactions, the craziest things. Are you still getting surprised day by day? So when I was on the Springer show, like the crazy stuff would happen like you know there'd be a fight in one time a guy's shirt got ripped off and they had one beautiful female arrest right so like what the hell you know like that's the kind of stuff that had that's fair you know my show it's more like some guy just committed this horrible act he's been arrested he's out on bail and we get him to go on a show take a lot of detective to us like two days before his court hearing and i always ask my wife

I'm like, how that we get this guy to come and do that? Right. Like that kind of that stuff, because my show's a little more serious in nature. So when we do stuff like that, but like the Springer show is just like, oh, my God. I mean, you know, people like, what's the craziest moment? It's like, what's your favorite drop of water in the ocean? Like, yeah, man, you know. Yeah, it's, I was just kind of thinking about it.

It has to be interesting for you because even the genre, the type of content that you do on your show that the world has changed dramatically on that front from the mid 90s to 2022 now i mean shit that used to be considered fucking crazy back then on tv now is probably for us like oh yeah that's you know like people were just more accepting of different relationships all kinds of different stuff versus back then there was more stigma around stuff so even that front i feel like your show and and sort of even what you said but even what you said is the biggest change When you were 13 and 14 watching TV, no 13 and 14 going to watch this TV anymore. Yeah, true.

Right. That's gone, man. So, like, people, like, you know, like, there'll never be another Jerry Springer show. And, you know, and then every, you know, lame-ass talk show host that comes out now wants to be the next Oprah or whatever. There's never going to be that again because we are living in a different world where, you know, social. media and internet, like you said, there was no internet back then. I said when my popularity hit on the Springer show, I used to get fan mail. I probably haven't got a piece of fan mail in 10 years.

You know, it's all email now. But back then, when I shaved my head and my popularity really took off on Springer, it was like, you know, the Miracle on 34th movie. Like when they bring all the bags of mail into the courtroom, you know, show that there is a Santa Claus. Well, that's how it was for me. All of a sudden, I'm giving bags and bags to mail. And, you know, like, even that thing, that will never happen again because nobody writes

a damn letter anymore. So things have changed so dramatically in the last 25 years. Wow. Yeah. I'm sure you've heard this a million times, but how many Calrican Jr. cards have you signed on the street by accident? Oh, my God. You say that, but like, I took my, when we first moved.

out to these calls on my wife had a dinner in New York so I took my kids down to the city field and we're out of the match game and this dad comes with his son and he's like Mr. Ripkin, you know, we signed his ball for my son and I whispered to the guy

go, I'm not Cal Ripkin. He goes, just sign it anyway. But you know, I did I did, I interviewed Cal for he had prostate cancer and he's doing some PSAs for prostate cancer and I got to interview him for our website and he was telling stories how you know he's sitting in first class on a plane and uh the air marshal and they do it with me too

they'll identify themselves which they're not supposed to do but you know they start checking you up and the guy's like you know oh man I'm such a fan I'm such a fan and I was like yeah I'm Cal Ripkin and then when he's leaving he's like man I love your shoe he's like who do you think of air he goes Steve Wilcoe It is uncanny, I will say. It's an uncanny resemblance. That's so good. Yeah, it's wild.

It's wild. I'm glad you brought that up, Frank. I imagine you were sitting on that one for a while over there. Yeah, no, it's just, yeah, it's all you can see, really. The first guy that had never said it to me was Jose Canstanko, and this was 1989. I was working at a nightclub, and he would come in when he was in Chicago, and he goes, man, you just, you look like Cal Ripon. And ever since then, in 1989, I've gotten it, you know, And then his hair got shorter.

And then, you know, I was bald. And then when he became bald, then it was, you know, yeah, it's, you know, interchangeable. In fact, when I was a Chicago cop in 1994, no, 1992. It was my 10-year high school reunion. And there was a place called stewards on Oak Street in Chicago's very high end. I said, man, I'm going to spend some money and buy a nice suit for my 10-year reunion. And when I walked in, the guy started piling suit something. goes, yeah, your orders were ready.

What are you talking about? I mean, you know, $10,000 worth of suits. I go, what do you think? He goes, Mr. Ripkin, yeah, your order. I'm ready. And I go, I'm not, Cal Ripkin. I go, you're lucky. I'm a cop because I could have just booed that here with about $10,000.

Just take all of them. Just take them on. Oh, man. I'm back into video games. I got my Xbox all dialed up. Can't believe how much faster it is. I have to say that. I've been using the Xbox one for decades, it feels like.

Everything's just faster. nothing loads and I've been playing finally 2K 23. I'm blown away at the game. I have to be honestly. I'm blown away at how good the golf game is using Tiger, using JT. I'm really good with JT by the way. And then the courses that they have on this game, I was playing Cabot Cliffs the other day,

which is my favorite golf course I've ever played in the world in real life ever. Could not believe I was just there hitting the shots. It felt like I was out there with my pals. I played Pioneer number two. I played one of the band. I played Sheep Ranch at Bandon. I was like going through trying to play all the play that I wish I was at they got these incredible versions of them that folks like

Frankie's done I played Knives Creek for the first time some pretty diabolical holes out there yeah Knives Creek I fucked up on I should have I probably should have dialed back the the putting there when I had a chance and I reuploaded it but I just didn't you know I should have played it once realized how insanely hard that hole is like there's a couple holes out there I think it's like the ninth and the tenth hole that you just can't get the ball near it but Butters Bay is so so so good you got to play Butters Bay. There's not one thing wrong with that golf course. So that's the more pure one. I haven't played Butters Bay yet. I forgot about it to be honest. And when you're there, you're so

excited to play that you kind of pick a course. You just go for it. You jump out and you start playing. It's great. 2K23. It's so much fun. Society, I was in on the society action the other day. Didn't post a good score. So I got to get better at the game. But it's so realistic. If you're like rush it, you get too jacked up. You're not going to hit good shots. You've got to think your way through it. So yeah. I'm a giant fan of it. on right now as we do this week because once we're done with this I'm going to be playing listen you hear that no no they'll be able to hear that through the microphone you guys just that Xbox turning on oh yeah you go you'll be able to hear it you'll be able to hear that but I'm saying we didn't

hear it to me did you guys I'm saying is I'm locally recording so you'll be able to hear it for sure because it's going right I saw it go up if not then Alex Bush just put in the Xbox series X noise going uh buy PGA tour 2k 23 today a PGA tour a PGA tour 2K.com. PGA Tour 2K23, more golf, more game. Go buy it today at pGATor.2K.com. So you're in Connecticut, you know, really good golf around there, good pizza and good golf. How's your game that you've been playing your whole life? Are you able to play while you're recording all these shows? You know, I was like a hacker, golf, golfer when I was in Chicago because nobody really played golf. So once in a while we'd screw around there. It was

an eyehole course. It was called a wavelength. Now it's called Judge Merivitz course down on the lakefront of Chicago. We'd screw around and play something like that. But when I moved out to the East Coast 13 years ago, I didn't, you know, starting over, I was 46 years old and didn't know anybody. And I tell the story, I was bored and my kids were in school. My wife was working. And I, you know, I'm only in studio for tapings.

And I went in. There's only one bar in my. town and uh i went in there it was like noon i'm sitting there and i was having a drink and i'm looking around i'm like look all these losers in here at noon drinking you know and then i realized well i'm one of the losers too like so i just got up and i walked out the street and i went to golf smith i bought clubs and i took it up and uh now i i i play every day every i mean not today because it's Monday our courses are closed, but I play every day

and we'll probably play for a whole other month until the course gets shut down. But yeah, I play golf every day. And, you know, I go through my moments, man, where I'm on fire and I'm shooting, you know, 80, 81, and then, you know, I'll shoot a 95 and 96, you know. So golf is madding because, you know, when you think you're getting good, it just,

it humbles in, you go back to being a hacker. It is funny. Like, that's a perfect story about golf because it's just, it's something to do so that you're not just bored and be like and do another dumb shit. Like it's like. The good thing is too. I, when I, you know, I was just playing around different places. And then I joined a club in my town. And, you know, now I have a lot of friends.

And I socialize. And so that's the big part of it. It's like you said, it eats up a lot of time because, you know, what do you do? day long. So a big chunk of my day I wake up, we're usually the first tea time, I play golf, I'll come home, I'll eat lunch, maybe take a little nap, then I work out. And I mean my wife, you know, we're watching a little TV at night. And that's just about, it's groundhog day, every day. Oh, it feels like we have the same exact routine. And I want to ask you because

the last couple of years, I've been able to go to California for the winter months because my fiancee was working remote, but this year she's back in the office. So in a couple weeks, like, what am I going to do? What do you do all winter in Connecticut when you can't play golf? Do you, you know, I'm 58 years old. You think I'd have an answer to that. I don't. I end up getting in really good shape every winter. I, you know, I lift weights and, you know, my son is now so he plays football, baseball, so we're lifting weights together. But it's boring, man. And I have beautiful gym in my basement and, you know, like it's routine. I'll work out. I'll do Trudeau and I go on my sauna.

And then I'm like, okay, now do I, like, I, you know, I get bored. So I like, I go, my, I have an office in my basement and, you know, I go look at my old baseball cards or, you know, like, it's finding stuff to do. And I, I read a lot, you know, I read a couple newspapers. I have tons of books I read. But, you know, life is very mundane, right? Like, people I spend all the time, all your life is so great. I'm like, dude, my life is boring.

And I don't like me. The time I'm sitting on the couch watching. Other than going to the golf course, I never go out. Like, me and my wife have to force ourselves to go out. Like, we went out to dinner Saturday night down in Stanford, Connecticut, where we tape. But we went down to dinner and we're like, wow, this was nice. Like, you know, we should do this more often. We should do this once in a while.

But, yeah, I mean, I think maybe when you get older, you just get set your routines. You're like, you know, like I always said, man, I'm never going to turn in. my dad when I grew up and then I turn exactly into my father you know. You got to get a simulator. You got to get a full swing simulator in the basement. See, I only live a mile from my club, not even a mile. And they had two golf hitting bays with all. So it's like that at least gets me out of the house.

I have to put clothes on and get out of my house. Without Mr. Underwear, man, you know, like, you know, just talking to you guys, you can only see my shirt. You, newspaper, you read physical newspaper? Because I feel like that's a lost art. The physical newspaper. I read the Wall Street Journal. I get to New York Post.

You know, I'll get the New York Times when I really got nothing else to read. But I read books. Like, I can't read on Kindles or anything like that. I have to have a whole, I got to turn the page and, you know, all that. See, I feel like we kind of missed. the newspaper air, you know, it's like we were right in the edge of it. I feel like sitting there with a coffee and flipping through the giant newspaper. That's like when I see an old school photo of that, I'm like those people, those people

were legit. Like I like that look a lot. That's me every day. That's how I start my day. Yeah, I like that. I've never, and this is the truth, I've never stolen anything in my life except the newspaper. And it only happens when I'm at hotel.

I'm staying somewhere and I'll always say, yeah, you know, can you have a newspaper in the morning. And if I don't have newspaper, I walk down the hallway, I'll grab somebody else. So it's the only thing I've ever stolen my life is a newspaper. See, yeah, I wish I, maybe I'll get into the newspaper game. Maybe I'll start, I'll get a subscription and just get some newspapers. Do you get a lot of ink on your fingers? I feel like that's something that you have to deal with. You do, uh, you do get some ink. But, you know, like I said, when I was growing up, and when I was talking about TV earlier, how like nobody watches TV anymore, you know, like you said, nobody reads the newspaper.

When I was going to up in Chicago was probably like six newspapers. Now there's two. Right. You know, so that's another thing that's going away. But I love it, man. I love the newspaper. You, uh, so I, you mentioned earlier how, you know, the losers at the bar at like noon. And I busted my ankle last week, so I haven't been able to play golf since then.

And I legitimately, during the day, have been, like, texting people at, like, 1230 of, like, you guys trying to get a drag. What are we fucking do it all day long? don't, I don't know what people are doing. At least Saturday, head college football. I get it if you have like a team. Sunday, you got an NFL. So if you want to sit on the couch and do that all day. But like Thursday and Friday even here, when we didn't have much going on, I'm three hours

behind New York time. So by like 1 p.m. local time here, works done. Nobody's really email anymore. And I'm just like, what are we going to do all day? Like what are people, I don't get what people do. Well, like, like my dad, when he retired, my mom and dad moved on to Florida. and my dad, he didn't have a lot of hobbies. I mean, he was a cop and, you know, he didn't make a lot of money.

He had four kids, and so he spent a lot of time working. But, like, he retired and he said, hey, man, don't be in a rush to do this because he goes, it's boring as hell. Like, when you're retired, like, and I think I have a perfect mix, right? I take two days a week. I have the whole summer off. So it's nice. I have just enough.

And then I do stuff like this. I do interview with you guys. So it's enough that, you know, but I don't want to work too hard or spend too much time working. I want a nice big fat paycheck and work just a little bit, you know? Yeah. So I have it good, but like I do, like these guys, I've known a lot of guys and a lot of my friends that were on a police department for 30 years. They all retire in the last couple of years, they're bored as hell, man. And it's scary, you know, because you always get up and you had something to do.

and now you have nothing to do. And like I said, with my time off, during the summer, it's not a problem. I have a Harley, I, you know, I have a lakehouse in Wisconsin. I go back to. Definitely a Harley guy. I can see. Yeah. I, I have a lake house not too far here in Connecticut.

So I go up. I'll take my boat out, you know, be in the pool, I golf. But then the wintertime comes, and it's like, you know, like something bad's coming. You know, like the Game of Thrones, winter is coming, you know. That's what I feel like. I start scrambling, like, okay, you know, so like the good thing is I smoke cigar. So like the big smoke is going to be in Las Vegas in a couple of weeks. So me and my wife are going out for that, you know, with the show.

And, you know, then we're going to Chicago and do some promotional work. And so I have to do things like that to give myself something to look forward to because winter's tough. And I told my wife, the moment. my show is over. Me are out of Connecticut. Like, I don't mind being in the summer, but wintertime, I can't. Yeah, I was going to say, I mean, it sounds like Chicago's home. You think you'll go back to Chicago for the summers and then somewhere else for the

winters? No, I mean, so like I said, I will lake house just over the border in Wisconsin. And I do get back there. Like this year, I forced myself to get back there four or five times. And it's close enough to Chicago where I go now and I'll see Cubs games. I see all my friends and family. But I'm never moving back to Chicago. Chicago's turned into a hole and I hate to say that, but it's true without a crime.

And it's expensive, taxes and all that, just like here in New York. So I have the house there. I'll probably keep something in Connecticut for the summer, you know, Wisconsin, Connecticut. And then I'll probably, my dream was always to live in California. Me and my wife always wanted to be tired of San Diego. San Diego's fantastic. I mean, yeah, we love San Diego, but, you know, California's kind of screwed up and we just can't do it. And it's the tax.

Not a big tax guy, I'm gathering. I'm not a tax guy. And the other thing is. I don't know a ton of people that are huge tax people, to be honest. It's not an enjoyable weird thing to like, I don't meet a lot of people that are like, I would love to pay. No, but there are definitely people who hate taxes. And then there are people who like really fucking hate that. Right.

You know, the other thing is, you know, like we went to San Diego. There's homeless everywhere. The streets stink. Like, what the hell happened? Like, we used to love going to San Diego. We used to, you know, love going to Cal for it. I really do. I just can't see myself living there.

And then my daughter was going to Cal Poly, and I went to fill up a rental car. It was like $7 for a gallon of gas. I'm like, what is going on out here? This is not. So we bought a place down in Florida. We'll probably retire down there, like, for the winter months. Folks, this is the CCM last question. That's cross-country mortgage.

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I would love to. I just need an entry point. I see a lot of people smoking cigars. I think it's a cool thing. I think it's a cool hobby. How do I get into it? You know, I grew up in a different era when everybody smoked. I mean, cigarettes or cigars.

And I remember going to ball games. I grew up right down the street in the field. And, you know, all the guys in the stands were smoking cigars. Right. Like when I don't think that's the case so much more anymore because everything's anti-smoking, anti-smoking. I started smoking cigars when I was a cop. I had a partner that smoked cigars. And then I was starting to get into him.

And then when I got on Springer, both the executive producer and Jerry Springer smoked cigars. And then it was full on. And now I probably smoke one or two cigars every day. And that's if I'm not golf. And if I'm golfing, probably four or five, you know. Right. And the thing is, I wouldn't say, I would never advise somebody like, oh, try to get into the scar smoke because, you know, truthfully, in the long run, it's probably bad for it. That's what I was thinking when you were asking, I'm like, this is like a young child asking, how do I get into drinking?

Yeah. It'll be fine. I'm looking for something to get into it. Get into it. Life's too short. And you know what? Like, you're bored anyway. So I gave up drinking.

I don't drink anymore. It's been about five years now. But I do enjoy cigars. Like, you know, and I have advice. Like, everybody's got to have something. You can't give up everything, you know. But I wouldn't, like, I wouldn't want my, like, even my son yesterday, we went out to watch the Giants game.

And I have an outdoor little fireplace and stuff. And I had a cigar and it was going. And my son said, you know, Dad, can I take a couple of pumps? Sure, go ahead. And he goes, can I go get my own cigar? I said, yeah. Go ahead. Have it.

He's 17, you know. People probably will. why are you doing that? You know what? He went and got a cigar. Next day I know it's on a table. It took like two puffs. And so what?

You don't like to sky. He goes, eh, it's not for me. Good. I'd like to hear that. Good. Well,

once you take the taboo away, then it's not for them anymore. That's what it is. It's like with European kids and they grow up drinking and then they're not so crazy when they start drinking when they're 19 or 20.

Exactly. And my son, like I said, he's an athlete. You know, he's captain of his baseball team. He's on a football team. And I think my son is really good to make good decisions for himself.

So it's like, hey, you want to try it? Go ahead. Try it. But I have faith that he knows this isn't probably something for him at this age. And, you know, he put the scar down after like two puffs. So I picked it up this morning. I took my dog for a while. So you're saying it probably would have happened for me already.

If I was going to be a cigar guy, it probably would have. Yeah. I mean, I think it's anything that's like, you know, how do I get into it? It's probably not for you. Yeah. Well, I think you are into it. you're basically not cool enough. Well, Trent likes a cigar.

When we're on the golf course and he has one, he enjoys it. I think really you want to know, like, how do you dive deep into, like, the cigar aesthetic world, like, where you're going to show is like Steve is. And, like, you can tell the difference between a certain type of cigar. Like, is that just, like, drinking wine? You just got to have a bunch of it in different types? Well, when I used to drink, like, with Jerry, we'd go, we were, I'll never forget, we were at emeralds down in New Orleans and, you know, bring out like a $700 bottle of wine.

I'm like, doesn't taste more than a $10 a mile wine to me. Like, I can care less. Right. And, you know, when I started out with cigars, I mean, probably, I probably smoked a lot of Swisher sweets and Dutchmasters and things like that. But I'm not a cigar fissionado. I do buy some good cigars. We go down into Cayman Islands every year for Christmas, and I'll buy some Cubans while I'm

down there. But I put those in a couple different humidors, and those are special occasion cigars. I smoked one yesterday, but for the most part, I go on like a cigar page or JR cigars. I order cigars online and, you know, I buy like a good $15 a cigar, you know, smoke. And I like a Maduro, which is a little spicier and a little full body. I like a big cigar because when I'm out of golf course, I like a cigar to last at least nine holes. So I'll smoke two front and back nine. but yeah do I do like I had a buddy he's like he had a cigar rating book right and I'm like

oh you take the time to write in cigar and he goes well yeah I'm really into it so I open up the damn thing and it's like you know um macanudo and he's like good then the next guy was like very good and it's very very good what a scale it's like a picture button is that very good very good good. I'm like, so that's, I told my kids that story. So,

like my wife will make dinner. It's like, how was dinner? It was good. It was good. Very good. So you had a Cuban yesterday because you knew you were coming on the show, right? Was that the celebratory?

You're coming on the four play bar still pod. That's exactly what it was. Smart. Yeah, it makes a lot of sense. Well, look. Well,

my son didn't get Cuban, just me. All right. Yeah. You gave him just one of people. I totally get it, though. What Trent's saying. And like I, we have a cigar shop in our town.

We've got like four little spots around the main street. You've got two bars. You got a restaurant. Then there's a cigar shop. And these two old men are sitting outside with their nice hats on. And they just have their feet up on a on a reclining chair. And they smoke all day long. And all I want to do is just walk up to them, shake their hand and just hear all their stories.

Like it's not just about the cigar. It's about the hang, I feel like too, which is more, which is more of the aesthetic on the golf course. You have it in your hand. You're lighting it. You're keeping it on the tea. Do you have all your different things that you do with it on the golf course? or do you play with it in your mouth as you swing? Oh, no, I can't, I can't even putt, like with a cigar in my mouth.

It's just one of those things. I can't do it. When I'm out of the hole and I'm lying five on their green and then the cigars in my mouth, but if I'm really trying to make it, no, I can't do that. But the footage of Michael Jordan being able to do is insane. I mean, my dad's a huge cigar guy, and he plays a lot of golf too. And when we play and he's got a cigar, when it's his turn to swing, he just throws it on the ground. And I thought that was the coolest thing in the world.

He's like, all right, I'll pick that up after I get done swinging. Pick it up, it's still lit and you're rolling. It is a cool thing. Well, that's what I do. I just throw it on the ground. But it's funny because our course just got aerated, right? And, you know, you throw it on the ground

and then all the sand is all over time. I can't get to that anymore. You know what I'm saying off it. All right. I'm going to try. I'm going to try. You're going to become a cigar. I think our goal is to now play around a golf of Steve Wilkes

and smoke a cigar. That'd be great. What an accomplishment in life that would. Thank you guys to my club, man. It would be fun. Anytime. I'm in. I can mess with that.

All right, Steve. Well, we appreciate it. Good luck avoiding the winter. Surviving the winter. You're in California, right? He's California. I'm in Scottsdale, Arizona. So my summer just started.

Yeah, I was going to say, you're both in nice places, man. Come on. Oh, yeah. I'm jealous. Trent and I are in Long Island. We're about to feel the brunt of it. I was already looking. I'm trying to get it on the best page black tomorrow.

It's going to be rain. rainy in like 52 degrees, but I'm going to make it happen either way. So love the black. About three weeks ago, I played sabonic. Oh, yeah. Oh, my God. What a golf course. Oh, what a golf course.

But so it's my old president from an MEC, Steve Roseberg. He's a member. And he invites me out there. And I drove from there in Connecticut out to, you know, Amptons. I go, I don't care. And it's one of the nicest course I've ever played my life. I'm not going back, Mac.

No, it's too far. It's, you know, and like my other buddy, he's a member of Fisher's Island, which is one of top ten courses in the world, right off of Mystic, Connecticut, take the boat over, and that course is wonderful. But it's an hour and a half drive. Right, right. Club is a mile away from my house. It's like, I get invited to all these nice course. I'm like, eh, just go right around the corner. I feel that.

I feel that. Don't underestimate the convenience factor. Yes. Now you've got to happen. All right, Steve. we appreciate it man thank you for taking the time today thank you for having the time today thank you for having out guys