Fore Play - “Dead in the water,” plus NHL Star Matt Duchene

Episode Date: February 22, 2022

Rory declares the new super league “dead in the water.” Phil makes some wild statements. Many declare their allegiance to the PGA Tour, then Matt Duchene (00:40:09) from the Nashville Predators joins the show for the first time. We discuss going through free agency, how golf improved his life, and the mental challenges Matt’s faced.You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

Hey, 4Play listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Foreplay, I'm sorry Barstool Sports. We are back. We got a lot to get to. It's been a huge weekend, yet again, it feels like in golf, in the golf world. And on top of that, in the 4Play world, we just got a lot of shit going on ourselves. We've got a huge match against Max Homa tomorrow.

We're recording on Monday, but when you guys are listening to this, we got a Tommy Fleetwood video of must play an alternate shot with him. That's hilarious. And the promo, I think, is going to be phenomenal that comes out tonight, Tuesday night. We've got a phenomenal interview on this show with Matt Dushane, stud in the NHL for the Nashville Predators, was Colorado Avalanche for a while, was Columbus Blue Jackets for a little bit. And boy, was that a really good conversation. Then we just recorded an interview with JJ Redick that I believe is going to go out into

Thursday show, which we're all giddy about as well because it went that well. So, oh, and something happened in the Saudi League where every person in the history of golf has released a statement, it feels like, in the last week, and combined with Phil Mickelson comments coming out excerpts from Alan Shipnuck's book where he calls the Saudis scary motherfuckers, Rory shit. We just got a lot to get to. So, boys, where should we start? Where do you guys want to start? I think we start. Let's start with the Saudi League stuff because that I feel like is on the, it's. is what's on everyone's mind because I think the Saudi League is dead.

So it's been, it feels like for a year or so that there was a little bit of chatter going on, but it was always below the surface. And people were kind of like, yeah, I heard about Saudi back super league. It's PJ Tours pretty supplanted as like the golf league. I don't know. And then about what, three weeks or so ago, things started to get pretty real. And then about a week ago, there were reports that 17 guys, 20 guys, depending on who you listen to, were signed, deal, done, delivered. Saudi League. It's going to be a team concept.

It's going to start maybe late spring this summer. Some big names. Bryson was rumored with a $135 million offer. DJ was always rumored as one of the guys that could jump ship. And things started to kind of fester pretty fucking good. And then last week, we had John Rom sort of started a lot of it. where he put out a statement almost like it was WWE, like we had NWO and where he pledged his allegiance to the PGA tour. And then that sort of started last week.

A bunch of dominoes were falling for others coming out and defending and pledging their allegiance to the PGA tour from Colin Morcawa and a bunch of different names. Tiger's already done it. Rory's already done it. Brooks Kepka's done it. Spieth, J.T. all kind of, you know, committed to the PGA tour. Then we had these excerpts came out mid-late last week from Phil Mickelson that have, I believe, sort of brought on a lot of people piling on and shitting on Phil Mickelson that it feels

like for decades have been waiting to do this. And this is just the reason that they're doing it. You can tell when some of the comments, tweets, reactions from either players or especially a lot of people in the golf media space, they're not coming from just the latest stuff that's happened in the last few weeks. It feels way, way deeper than that. And Phil came out. This was from an interview, I believe, in November he did. Alan Shipnuck has a big book coming out, I think, in May, on Phil Mickelson. And he has, I think, over 200 interviews.

So he obviously went to Phil and said, I have all this information. and do you want to comment? Phil eventually said yes. And in that interview in November, he said, they're scary motherfuckers to get involved with. We know that they kill Jamal Khashoggi and have a horrible record on human rights. They execute people over there for being gay. Knowing all of this, why would I even consider it? Because this is a once in a lifetime opportunity to reshape how the PGA tour operates. They've been able to get by with manipulative, coercive, strongarm tactics because we, the players had no recourse. As nice a guy as J. Mawkes. of hand comes across as unless you have leverage he won't do what's right the saudi money has

finally given us that leverage i'm not sure i even want the sgl to succeed but that idea of it is allowing us to get things done with the pga tour this obviously sent everybody off obviously um to the point now where we had sunday dustin johnson really kind of put the final one of the final nails in the coffin of this Saudi League situation where he released a statement through the PGA Tour Communications that said he's fully committed to the PGA Tour. Then a few hours later, Bryce and DeCambo, who really had to just be on an island at this point and was like, fuck, everybody's pledging their allegiance. I haven't. He released a statement only in a way that Bryce and DeCambo could, where he didn't really even release or claim anything. But what he did say was,

while there has been a lot of speculation from my support for another tour, I want to make it very clear that as long as the best players in the world are playing the PGA tour, so will I. The most non-committal statement that anyone has ever put out.

He's certainly not standing up against the injustices that the Saudi regime has laid upon people. What he's saying, he's saying, he's like, all right, well, if all these other guys on tour are going to stick to with the PGA tour, then I guess I will too.

and that's it yeah I don't know this whole thing is becoming one hell of a drama I mean what an amazing season to start that Netflix show to start filming

because can you imagine the behind the scenes of this shit I mean it is stunning what is happening whenever you say something that Phil Mickelson said

where he said you know they're executing gay people over there but like anytime you say but or because after saying they're executing people for being gay, you've got to turn the mic off,

you've got to really look yourself in the mirror and say, what am I actually fighting for? The PGA tour is not that important. I love the PGA tour. I am. I love them. And I think they would say this too. At this point, seeing what Phil Nicholson is saying

has turned me off so much to that Saudi League that made me feel legitimately sick to my stomach that, like, I think even J.Mahen, like, dude, like, this whole thing's not that important. for you to be saying they're executing gay people, but we need to reshape the way the tour operates our contracts. Like, all right, like, they all have lives outside of golf. Like, this is real life human rights shit.

Like, Phil, it's not that important. We're not marching down the streets of Washington, D.C. So that the PGA Tour can make a little bit more money and have more leverage. Like, you guys have a pretty goddamn good life. What are we actually talking about here? Like leverage for PGA tour money? You mean the golf tournament on CBS on Sundays? What are we talking about?

Well, and the things that Phil is saying would make sense if we were dealing with the made-up league that we were talking about last week, the Canadian League that we made up, where there's none of that, where they're not executing gay people and there's not all this crazy shit about executing journalists. Then what he's saying, people would understand what he's saying. He's like, oh, there's this leverage that it creates that we can then. competition free enterprise that's right and that's what america's built on that's all good and fine but what the the league that he is talking about does do those things so you can't then two step and say so you know maybe maybe we use this and we sort of push on the pj tour no dude you just have to stop this is not the hill to die on like i feel he just keeps talking and the more and more he talks

people are just like what the fuck is this guy even saying i've been very honest about not knowing what actually happens with the Saudi regime. I don't know all the history. I don't know exactly what they do. And I'll be the first to admit that, like, I was even saying if it comes down to contracts and guaranteed money, how are these guys not going to take it? Watching Phil Mickelson actually lay out exactly what the juxtaposition of like what's happening in real life in Saudi, in the Saudi regime, as opposed to like what we're going to do in this golf tournament, that made me feel uncomfortable. Like, even just even talking about the idea of people wanting to go play over there made me feel like I was doing something wrong.

Like that's how bad that comment is by Phil Mickelson. I can't even wrap my head around how that was allowed to be said or like published. Like that ruined Phil Mickelson forever. And him laying out how aware he is of all of the atrocities that go on over there and where that money is coming from in sort of a justification for why he's entertaining it, was optically one of, you know, the biggest miscalculations that he's ever had. And I agree with you, Frankie, where when he's laying it out that clearly, yes, we have had the conversation many times. If somebody offers you $100 million on some personal human level, I think a lot of people

would entertain being like, I don't give a fuck where that comes from. That's changing everything. That's changing my entire generation, my life, my family's life. That money's going somewhere. might as go well to me. I can see people understand. We've had that conversation. If somebody offered for play 100 million dollars to just go cover the silently, it's like at some point money fucking talks.

That's what this entire world is based upon. When he lays it out that simply, it makes me very proud, I would say, that the PGA tour players seem to have chosen what is right over what is wrong. And yes, they do make a lot of money on the PGA tour. They stand to make a lot of money in the PGA tour. So it's not a difference between making

20 million or 50 million or 100 million and then making zero. But I am very happy that the way the tides started to turn in these last few weeks led to everybody with maybe the exception of Bryson in his statement saying, I'm on the side of the PGA tour. I am with the PGA tour. When you put it up against what Phil Mickelson laid out and up against, like Frankie just said, the fucking tournaments, I'm watching on CBS on Sunday. Those are the two things we're comparing.

Who are we fighting for? It makes it incredibly obvious. Joaquin Neiman? Who are the guys that we are actually? Who's Phil standing up for in this scenario with that he needs the PG tour to be reevaluate and operators? Is he standing up for all those hardworking golfers that are coming up and making millions of dollars

because they're fucking good at the game of golf? Or is he standing up for the homosexual people that are getting slaughtered in Saudi Arabia? Who is he actually standing up for? Like, is this? I don't see like a movement from him being like, oh, we need to, we just talk to Maurice Allen. Like, he's not going into these, like, bad areas and, and, and making golf more accessible

to people. And he's not showing, he's, like, talking about more money for the PGA tour players. Am I, am I getting that correctly that, like, the guys who already have a lot and just want more? Is that what the fight is? Well, and I also think it's, it's partially him standing up for his own ego, taking a stance that is dangerous and largely inappropriate that no one else is going to take. But he's like, Phil, and this. I'm looking at this from an angle that nobody else is looking at,

and, oh, we can get leverage for the PJ tour players when it's the wrong time and place and wrong breakaway league to be making those types of comparisons. God, it's crazy. 100%. And there's, you know, it's tricky without us knowing everything or without everyone knowing all of what's going on with Phil Mickelson because there are significant rumors that Phil Nicholson

is essentially broke that he's lost like all of his money gambling that a few years ago he famously like sold his plane and people that know him well were like his plane was his favorite thing on earth that's what he loved more than anything so for him to sell that he must be going through something that's all just fucking hearsay to me but you know if you if you factor that into what phil is all saying you know it he is trying to get significantly more money from the PGA Tour to go to the players, which he has been successful at. I mean, the PIP program literally exists because of this league. The PIP program got increased from, you know, the 40 million to the 50 million.

The players championship purse, I believe now will be over two times what it was in 2014 because the PGA Tour has, due to this leverage and pressure, you know, been forced to up the amount of money that they have that go to the players. and, you know, Phil and others have cited that the PGA Tour is by definition a not-for-profit organization. Yet they've got and are making all of this money and they have full and complete control over, you know, how to allocate it. Meanwhile, they're making it all based on the players.

So a lot of that is some combination or where Phil's motivations come from are some combination of his ego, of his principle being pissed off that they don't get, you know, the media rights and, that they can't have full control. Part of it is probably that he's lost more money than anybody knows than God knows, despite having, you know, made $500 million in his career throughout endorsements and through his PJTor. And he's like, there's some combination of those things going on that is driving Phil. And he keeps trying to finish all of these crazy thoughts and stances that he has with, but it's giving us leverage and that's all I really care about. And at some

level. It's like entertaining all this other stuff for just that leverage. While it has worked, it's probably going to destroy Phil Mickelson's legacy because I don't know how when you have statements like the ones that we just said, where they chopped up and murdered a journalist who wrote negative things about their regime when they execute gay people. And you're saying, but it's giving us a little bit of leverage out there on the PJ tour, those of us that are already making millions of dollars from a legacy standpoint, it's going to make it really, really hard for people to get over that. And Rory came out,

and he said that this league is dead in the water, and then asked about Phil's comments. He said, I don't want to kick someone while he's down, obviously, but I thought they were naive, selfish, egotistical, and ignorant. So Rory did not make his words. I don't mean to kick, and then he just fucking soccer kicked him a million times. Message!

Roasting him. Rory wouldn't, he's not, he won't take a victory lap on this because he's Rory and he's honorable Rory, but Rory's been saying this for a year. He's like, I'm not taking that money. Nobody should take that money. So now for all these guys to finally come out and say, I'm committed to the P.J. Tour, he's got to be like, yeah, dude, I've been saying this for a year. I believe, I'm going to check right now, but I believe Amin Lynch, who wrote a scathing,

scathing article on Phil Mickelson. And one of my favorite pieces I've ever read, just again, we talked about him a lot. He's so good with words, and he is so maniacal, and he is fearless when it comes to just poking the shit out of people. He wrote a scathing piece on Phil, but he also tweeted yesterday, quote, I didn't really like where the money was coming from, end quote.

With those words, Roy McRoy became the first top player to reject the Saudi takeover of golf. 717 days ago. It's two years ago. A couple years ago, Rory came out with those words. I didn't really like where the money was coming from. And ultimately, two years later, the thing is dead. And here we are.

I will say it's been exciting. We can give it that. It's been riveting. No other league is dealing with something like this. No other sports league. Nobody is dealing with this. an existential threat to the league is right almost never happened i don't i don't even know where that

north korean baseball league offering a billion dollars to john carlos stanton i guess pretty much was it was i don't totally remember everything that was happening at the time but the xfl was sort of that way but not in not a controversial way like this but like yeah the xfl's like what we kind of want for the pGA tour if we think the pGA tour needs some competition like that's where i can get behind it i do think that's that the PGA Tour needs to change in certain ways. I think players like Phil have, like you said, Riggs, have brought that to light and they've made changes,

maybe not the right changes, but they're trying to adapt. It's just, I honestly thought that it might be a good option for people to go do something different and still playing the majors. There's audio of me from the last couple episodes being like, like who the fuck would ever turn that down? But when you have the people consciously saying that I can't get over it. just knowing all of this, why would I consider it? Because this is a once in a lifetime opportunity to reshape how the PGA tour operates.

It makes you just think, like, why the fuck does anyone care about the people, about any of this? Right. The effect that Phil thought that was going to have actually had the opposite in a big and negative one. He thought that was the dropping of the might saying, you know why? I don't care that they're executing gays because I'm about to reshape the way the PGA tour operates. And everyone was going to go like, yeah. No, dude, we don't care. care at all. We're just going to go play Max Homer tomorrow in a golf match and we're going to go home and

we don't get a fuck. We don't get a fuck. You know who's really going to ruin their legacy over this? is Bryson D. Chambot stealing Tigers template for announcements. He used the exact same background and font and everything and it's like, come on, dude, don't do that. You should be executed for that if you want to talk about execution. That was tough. I mean, that's like ruining my Twitter feed whenever he does that. I'm thinking we're going to As a Bryson guy, as a Bryson guy, he didn't make the comments that Phil made. He let it kind of ride out, let all these other podcasts that want to break news for a living, like try and

speculate what he was going to be doing. And then he said, you know what? I'm taking my foot off the gas. I'm just going to let this thing sail away. This is a problem that I'm no longer have to deal with. And maybe I'll just play on the PGA tour now that everyone's getting mad at Phil. Dude, if one other notable golfer, like say DJ, theoretically. If he was like, I'm going, Bryson's like, I'm hopping on that jet with you. Like, let's just go.

His statement says just as much. Like, all right, if the other big dogs are staying, then I guess I'll stay. I think he's leaving it open so that if there is that Canadian tour scenario that we said, that he does want to stay open to that, which I think Phil should have just hammered home this entire time, saying like, all right, yeah, we did entertain it

because we want to be able to have leverage or whatever. He never should have said the comments he said this time about gay people and the journalist. What he should have said is like, we just need a leverage in some sort of way. I never was considering taking it. Those people are psychotic. They're insane. They're going to murder everyone and I never want to be associated with them. But like the PGA tour needs some competition. It's a monopoly, whatever he wants to say. I think Bryson's kind of saying that, saying like if at any point the PGA, the best golfers in the world are playing somewhere else, I'm going to go there too. You know what I mean? Like I think that's actually a fair thing to say.

I know it's not as open and like and stern about staying with the PGA tour, but I don't have anything, I don't have any problems with what Bryson said. And that's just because I'm a bracing guy. Bryson's amazingly like Trent said, he's kind of not really been on the record with anything too dicey through all this. There were reports and rumors that he was the guy that he got offered all the money that he had signed that he wasn't playing in these last few tournaments,

not because he's injured, but because he's leaving and never going to play on the PGA tour again. At the end of the day, all we really got was just a fake tiger-looking, like, press release from him that said, yeah, unless everybody, all the big players go to some other league, I'm playing on the PGA tour. And that's kind of all we got. And yeah, there's a little bit of stuff here and there where he says things like Bryson says him, but he's not anywhere near where Phil is of this whole thing, where Adam Scott is. Adam Scott had some comments saying like he really likes the way that the format looks for the potential Saudi League. but I think Bryson, like you said, Trent Bryson, kind of just wrote it out and is like, you know,

I'm just going to be back on the PGA tour, no big deal. I think it's surprising. I thought he would be the guy who would put his foot in his mouth. I think it's extremely mean and we're not allowed to loop Bryson and fill together in the scenario. He did things much better. I agree with that. I agree with that.

The template is where he fucked up. He did. You can't have the template. It's Tiger. It's Tiger's template. You just, you literally, any other color, there's so many colors out there. And he's the exact one. Great week for our boy. We've got to talk about Masterworks real quick.

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All right, Tiger Woods, the Genesis Invitational Riviera, awesome golf course, just as good as it gets. Everybody raves about it. And it delivers. It looks great on TV. It played a little bit easier this week than in years past, but still a fantastic tournament. Joachimann became, I think, like the third youngest player to win wire to wire with no tie. in the history of the PGA tour.

Crazy that he, he, the PGA tour so crazy and that people could just pop out, it seems like when you win wire to wire at that age like he did, that's like you're just dominating everyone. Yet, you know, a week ago, somebody else was just dominating.

A week before that, somebody else was just dominating. So that part's always a little bit weird for me to understand. I get that they're all really good. But he broke through, he crushed it, and then, the best part was Tiger Woods

just looked awesome this week on the coverage. He looked great strutting up that hill that really brutal hill 18 up to the clubhouse at Riviera for a guy that can't walk people think he's never going to be able to play again or there's no way he can play the masters

no way he could do this or that because he can't walk he was fucking walking. He's walking great. He's smiling. He's on the coverage. He's floating around. He was floating up the stairs.

He looks so happy. I've never seen him smile like this. I've never seen a smile like that. And it almost looks like he got work done to his face where they've, they've lifted some, something was pulling his face down over the last couple of years. And obviously last year at the Genesis, we don't like to talk about that, but that whole week was very strange. The way he was doing those interviews, he looked out of it.

He looked like he was in a dark place. Turned out it probably was. This year, it looks like there was weight holding his face down originally. Now it's been like lifted up and he's freer. It's almost like he almost looks like he had work done. That's how much different he is. No, I, he looked, he looked 20 times younger. He was, his facial expressions were different.

They were lighter, they were higher. His eyebrows went higher. His cheekbones were high. You know, everything about him looked younger. It was like he was drooping and now he's vibrant. Like he was in a cryo chamber for 10 years and they just like, he came out. And he's like, oh yeah, I'm only 25 again. I mean, we may never know what he's,

he was actually going through a year ago. But I think whatever he's going through now, he's just less stressed or like he's at such a better place that I agree. He physically looks different because he's actually happy and smiling. And I mean, for all we know he's happy and smiling. And that's all we can really ask for. And he seems like,

I mean, he made those comments during the broadcast that he's like, I'm going to play again at some point. I don't know when, but I'll be on the PJ tour at some point. He seems like he's in a good place. And that's. news for us.

He said he's going to kick, he said he's coming out to kick the other guy's butts, is what Tiger would. Which is an amazing quote. You hear people all the time say, yeah, that guy, he's looking really good.

He's, you know, he stopped drinking, he's eating, he's healthy. Like, you hear, like,

I was listening to Joey Diaz was on Rogan. He's a hilarious fucking guy. And they were talking about another comedian. And they're like, yeah, he's like healthy and he's looking good. He looks 10 years younger.

That's like what I think about Tiger. last year it was like oh what is that like we can't have that that's not our guy and then now you look at him he's glowing he's actually glowing and it has to be because of the stress the whole world's off his shoulders with all the bullshit he's probably dealing with back pain whatever it was i couldn't be more excited about where tigers now future is like the the current version of tiger wood i feel very good about and think about how exciting it is that we've had so much going on the PGA tour with the threats of the other league, which creating all this drama between the players,

who's going to go and who's not? Phil Mickelson won a major last year. We got Rory is still Rory, delivering awesome quotes. He won late last year. There's rumors of a Ricky resurgence. Speets obviously significantly more back than he's ever been. And then you've also got all the other top players, from Rom to JT, to Moracala,

who's our fucking guy and who's a total savage, who said he basically just dreams about breaking Tiger Woods records. and now we're just going to add a healthy Tiger Woods to the mix that's going to, he's going to play, let's call it, six or seven tournaments a year. He's going to play some majors. He believes he can win on the PGA tour. He said he's going to be playing on the PGA tour.

We're just going to add in, it's already fucking awesome. And we're going to add in the one man who is by himself better and more entertaining than all of the other stuff come on. That's true. Can you imagine? if they actually did the Saudi League and they were like revving it up and they're about to have their first tournament and then Tiger Woods just joined the PGA tour that same week and just completely dwarfed any hype or or momentum that they possibly were building. You have like Phil

and Bryson all these guys in this other league and then all of a sudden Tiger just shows up to the players and everyone goes fucking bananas and you're just like who cares about anyone else that ever did anything in the sport except for this man right here on Channel 2 and he's teeing off at 11 o'clock. I don't care about anything else in my life. That's what, that's what was keeping me just going, just knowing that that hammer

was getting dropped at some point. That would make Jay Monaghan a very happy man. Of course. How about the player's championship is in like two weeks? Yeah, I mean, we think he's going to play there or what? I don't know.

He, well, it's hard to get a read on him now. Well, it's always has been. But especially now, because he's doing the thing where he sets the bar he puts the bar on the ground. It's as low as it can be. And then he's hitting balls at the back of the driving range.

Like this week, he was very clear in saying, you know, I want to play on the PJ tour again. I'm going to. But, you know, there's a lot of steps that I have to take to make that happen. How much of that do I believe? A good amount of it. But then again, he could just show up with the players and be like, what's up, motherfuckers?

I'm here. And I'm playing. So who knows? Weielding a stealth. I'm going to put it in 50-50. actually. And he plays the players' championship. Wow.

And here's why, and I know it's like, well, if he's going to play the players, why wouldn't he have just played this last week at his own tournament at the Genesis? But he's got a horrible record at Riviera. Like, he just hasn't played that place particularly well. So I don't think he wants to come back to a course necessarily that he hasn't historically played awesome. Having said that, the players, he has won the players a couple times. so it's not like he has no success there. His record's not as dominant as his other courses,

but the players is, as a guy that was early on, being like I'm a PGA Tour guy, players championship is obviously their flagship event. It's probably the biggest tournament outside of the four majors and maybe the Ryder Cup. So if he's going to be like, yeah, I'm selective of events, this would be one that you'd think he'd put on his calendar. I mean, it'd be amazing.

I'm rooting for it. I would hope, I mean, two weeks away, that would be, whew, I would be very into that. I would be very into that, too. All right, boys, we got, we got a lot going on. I mentioned Tommy Fleetwood video. We got a little alternate shot action. Tommy Fleetwood teams up with our own Frankie Burrelli, the pizza maker for a couple holes of alternate shot down in Florida. This is a great video.

Let me tell you something. It was nervous being in the cart with Tommy Fleetwood, especially after what he just saw last week you guys saw on YouTube. I just couldn't chip the golf ball. That's on YouTube. It's many, you know, more people need to go see that because it's at my lowest point. I want you to see me at my lowest point for when I get better. You know, I'm going to get better. I'm going to do it. I'm going to put in the work. We went straight from the chipping lesson into this alternate shot match and I was his partner. And yeah, he just, I was nervous about how bad I looked and like I have to now play with Tommy Fleetwood and hit his shots and man the most drama the most

intense alternate shot that we could have possibly come across happen and it's just such a good video the promo is going to be incredible watching what he ends up doing and he's so cocky at one point because it's just like he's like the Tommy Fleetwood style of cocky where at one point he like I asked him if he wants a club he says like his answer is insane and what he ends up doing is insane so that's just a little tease. You have to watch this video. Tommy Flewitt is so amazing. It's our last time with him in this series,

so definitely check it out. And go subscribe. We need more subscribers. 190,000 subscribers. We're going to do our all-nighter trying to get a whole-in-one on PGA tour. We can all join along and while Trent tries to get a hole-in-one for 16 hours like we did last time. Speaking of a hole-in-one, my dad made a hole-in-one. What?

No way. I want to get a shout out to my dad. Yeah, it happened yesterday. What? No way. Swear to God. Ryan? Gary Ryan made a hole in one yesterday.

No way. I understand how you can have too much bacon, guy? That's it. Where, dude? I've got it here. I've got it here. I wrote it down. Holy moly.

Congratulations. Congratulations. That's amazing. This is first one? First one ever. He's seven. Jesus. Wow.

140 yard par three, Sunland Springs Golf Club, third hole of the superstition nine. And I looked up the golf course. And they got three nines out there. And one of them is the superstition nine. Hole in one, baby, 140 yards. No way. Wow.

Holy cow. Was he just, was he glowing? Was he like, I mean, he's made one before just in the simulator, right? Oh, yeah,

at St. Andrews, the real home of golf. He's got a hole in one on one of the simulators there. But this is the first. And now he's got one in real life. He's got one in real life. Yeah.

He'll be, yeah. Awesome. What fucking world we're living in. That is amazing. The guy he was. was playing with had like took a video of it when he's walking up to the hole and like reaching down grabbing it and he's like is he your first one he's like you bet and the hole in one i'm gonna so i'm in

where am i right now i'm in phoenix and my parents have a place down in arizona they're down here right now i'm gonna have dinner with him sometime this week him and my mom so i'm gonna i haven't totally i haven't talked to him about it really i was texting him a little bit but i'm gonna get all the details when we go to dinner but yeah that that's something to look forward to all you golfers out there. You can be 70 years old. It'll be 71 in June. You can still get a hole in one.

Holy shit, dude. Gary Ryan. That is amazing. Congratulations, Gary. I hope he had all the bacon you could possibly find. Just go to every supermarket and just clear him out of bacon and just give that man as much bacon as he could possibly have. God, that's great.

He does deserve it. 70. 70. It's a lot of years of golf. So finally, he deserved it. He earned that one. Yep. Shout out to Gary.

Shout out to Gary. Congratulations. And then a reminder to, we've got 1 p.m. at auction, Southern Dunes. We're playing Max Homa Tuesday. So that is today, again, when people are listening, February 22nd. Come on out if you'd like. The beverage cart's going to follow along. Fans are welcome to kind of hang.

Obviously, you try to just be respectful, but you can hang. You know, it's pretty casual environment. And we've got a huge golf match. We're 3-0 against PGA Tour. We're 4-0 against PGA Tour and L-PGA Tour. We defeated Danielle Kang. and then, you know, we're trying to protect that record against the professional golfers. That's where we're at.

Amazing. I cannot wait. I can't believe we're playing fucking Max Holman in a golf mat. He is going to be so ruthless and so mean. And everyone's going to laugh at his jokes because he's a funny man. I hate doing that. I hate when you're with the funny guy in the group. And every time we're not going to, everything we say he's going to have an answer for it.

It's like Ryan Whitney. No matter what you say to that man, you're wrong and you're not funny. And he can just say anything. And you lose. He has that upper hand on us because he is funnier, he is better golfer. We're going to have to really bring everything we've got tomorrow tonight or today, whenever you're listening to this. It's going to be an absolute battle.

We have an athletic competition ahead of us as we talk right now. I'll say one thing about Max that's going to make it a little easier is, Frankie, he's a generous lapper. He laughs at almost everything you say. He's just, he's generous. And it's not fake. It's very genuine. He finds a lot of things funny.

So I think that'll kind of help us a little bit But you're right he's a he's the funny guy You know our camera guys are be focused on him He's kind of the star of the show We're just here all the time People were sick of us We're kind of lame and just the same all the time And he's gonna be like the new funny

Professional athlete guy with his whole fucking thing And his mustache and his hair And it's you know We're bringing mustaches We're canceling that out We are canceling out the mustache My is not looking too hot Frankies is, man, it's just, it's so thick.

And then I'm going to, I'm going to shave mine into a mustache here in a few hours when the rest of the boys get here. Tren. Tren, are you going to do handlebar mustache or are you going to go straight mustache? I don't, I don't know. I'm not like, well-versed in mustaches. How do I go off? I think you cut it like right here. And I think you do the fucking whole entire big mustache.

So I leave these parts? Just a little, yeah, I'd say you leave like an inch right there. dude that would be so bad ass i mean we'll definitely see what it looks like i think that's the answer dude i'll chop it down i'll chop all this and whatever and then try to do handle more mustache that's gonna make you look like manly like like you're on a farm up in iowa fucking run in the show dude harley davidson who the hell's that man that's great all right i'm gonna do it i'm gonna do it later i'm actually excited about it that's gonna be that's just going to be a whole new thing me. Yeah, it's going to be a new trend. I'm excited. We have Matt Dushain on this podcast. I can't wait

for people to listen to this. Me neither. He was excellent. He was excellent. Really good invite. Well, it was a good invite. Glad we invited him. But really good interview and really good insight into, man, free agency, the mental health side of the game, struggles to triumphs. He's having a great year this year. Their team's good. They're in a battle. He talks about all that. when it matters and he's a huge golfer so he gets into golf and troubadour and being a Nashville guy so this is a really really good interview um before that head over to petermore.com slash foreplay and do yourself you know what i think is a huge favor for you as a person and explore the flex adapt series as well as the complete peter malar outerware line use the code for play to get complimentary shipping um we all know

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Matt, what's up, dude? Where are we? Where are you at? Just in my basement here in Nash. Hell yeah. You got a good, you get Nashville look to you, I'll say, even just. Oh, thanks, bro.

You kind of look like all the fucking country stars. I've got the same like hair coming out. and the, you know, the beard and the hats. I grew up, dude, I grew up probably as Nashville as it could get without being in Nashville. So grew up on hockey, country music fishing. So hockey maybe, oh, hockey's now Nashville, I guess, big time. No, but it wasn't, but now it is. So what was it?

Is it Halliburton, Canada? Is that the hometown? Halliburton, that's it. But, you know. So, like, what's that place? Like, what was your upbringing with golf? You know, you say it's farmland and country music. Is there a lot of golf to be played?

How did you get into the game? Yeah. So it's not a ton of farmland, but it's like all lake country. So there's a ton of water sports, fishing. You could probably not hit a golf ball without hitting water up there when you're not on the course. But yeah, our courses are pretty humble. But yeah, I grew up. My dad, you took me to the driving range and grab me a club out of the pro shop.

I'd hit with them. Yeah, I got into that way. Probably started golfing full time when I was about 10. Played pretty regularly up until I was about, probably about 18. Yeah, it was probably starting my NHL career and then stopped playing pretty much for like 10, 12 years, picked it back up kind of again. I play that, you know, the token, you know, best ball around, or sorry, scrabble around at a charity tournament or whatever.

once or twice a year. And then after the bubble a couple years ago, when we played in the playoffs there and Edmonton, our Yosi took us all out to Trubidor because he has a property out there as well. And I fell in love with the place and got right back into golf, took my wife there the next week. We're looking at just checking it out and played nine holes. And then I went home and started playing every week.

And I've been hooked again, never since that. So yeah, loving it right now. If you're going to fall back with golf troubadours, the spot to do it. Oh, yeah. That spot is just a magical place like Cole Swindell, Justin Thomas, you're out there, Chase Rice. It's just like the whole Darius Rucker. I mean, that whole, it just feels like that all of Nashville comes together and hangs at that place. And then it's just magical with the whole setup and the comfort stations and little cabins full of shit.

You can't believe what's in there. What a spot that is. It's unbelievable. But I went there and I was just like, wow. Like I remember Ryan Joe Hanson's out there too, one of my teammates. And I remember when we were in Edmonton, we were sitting around one night just kind of shooting the shit and having a drink and just talking about stuff. And he's a single guy.

I'm a guy with two kids and stuff. But we're just talking about kind of the future. And Nashville is going to be home for us forever. And Joey's kind of feeling the same way for him. And he was telling he had bought out there and he was telling me about it. We're just talking about real estate and stuff. And he was talking about it. I was like, okay, I'll have to check it out.

When I got home, I was on the website while I was in Edmonton. And then coincidentally, Yost took us there. And I was just like, my God, this place is unbelievable. And it was when you guys would have played it, it wouldn't have been very done yet. Like the new clubhouse wasn't done or whatever. And like, that's like, well, you guys was seeing that. I would have been like maybe 20% of it finished. Like the whole back nine, there's no houses on it yet.

Actually, they're getting there now at that time. There's nothing. So, yeah, fell in love it. that took my wife out there. She loved it and then started talking about talking with one of the sales reps at the time, who was one of JT's really good buddies. He would, a guy who ended up kind of getting me my lot.

So end up buying out there. And yeah, that's the long game right now. So pretty fun. I was just there this morning actually with the kids. And my kids love it. And my kid was hitting balls for the first time. I was trying to keep them focused enough to do that.

And then I had my little girl, my little girl swinging a little bit. too. So I'm hoping that golf's in her future for sure. Are you, like, leaning them to be like a righty or lefty or you're just letting them, like, how does that process work, just picking up any random club and see you know they swing? I am miffed with my son. I think he's like me. I'm lefty, hockey, lefty, like baseball and righty golf.

That's crazy. And Andrew Anderson Lee is the same way. I'm identical. You do that as well? Oh, yeah, you're left. Yeah, dude. I'm lefty hockey, lefty baseball swing. Righty.

I write righty. I play golf righty. I do pretty much everything else, righty. That's fucking crazy. And I do, I do a weird thing. I'm all over the map. Like, I deal cards with my left hand. I fish with my left hand.

So, and then, yeah, like, I'm kind of all over the map, but my kid. Everybody's doing shadow deals right? Yeah, yeah. It's like this. Like, what hand do I do with that? How do I deal with that? When I go, like, yeah, when my kid plays, goes to tee ball, he's only three, but we're starting really getting him into sports.

he's going to start taking skating lessons. Actually, his first ones tomorrow. But he bats left and all the teachers want to, like the coaches want him to stand. They're like, no, no, no, stand over here. And my wife's got to be like, no, no, he's left. He's a lefty. Like, it's, I also find, too, that Canadian, there's so many more lefties in Canada than the U.S. Because of hockey.

So most my buddies that shoot left or bat left or, you know, and I feel like in the U.S. you just get given a, they say to you like, oh, what hand do you're right with? for what you're down in the hand they give you a righty sticker club and they say okay way you go so yeah and canada it's obviously different there's a lot more left-hand of golfers and um i actually started um my kid was golfing right this morning it looked pretty good but he might be exactly like me just like he'll hold like a golf club right-handed like just because the face is that way i guess i don't know we'll see but my uh my dad when he used to take me to the driving range he would hand me a me a left-handed club thinking I was a lefty and I couldn't hit the ball and he'd be like,

okay, like what the heck's wrong with you? You're, you know, you're good at sports. Like, why can't you hit the golf ball? And he went in, grabbed me a righty and it to me and I just pounded one down the middle, however many yards you hit at when you're like eight or nine. He goes, oh, okay, you're righty. So yeah, I can, I can swing good lefty, but like I bend my right arm too much because it's like hockey. You're all in here like hockey, right? And so I, I don't rigs. I don't know if you're the same, but like I can, I slice the hell out of it if I hit lefty like I can hit it far but I I can't like the coordination like through the ball from my left side to my right and I I feel like I feel like when I hit right handed it's because I'm initiating my

swing from back here with the right side of my body and my right leg which is my like stronger leg right right so that's kind of what I think but that's my theory yeah you're right because do I'll do um I use a spider now so I can't do it but when I used to use kind of a typical blade putter that has like the 90 degree angle on the back if I got to do it. I'll do it. I use a spider now. I don't know. I in a precarious position, I would turn it around lefty. And I would hit it like a wedge. Yeah, because I could hit it like a wedge. It was like made for that.

I could close it a little bit, get a little bit of height on it. But I would always have to aim way right because I could only slice the shit out of it. Like you're saying, when I would look at videos of it, I'd be like cringing because my right elbow would break down. It would bend. And I guess that's I'm just thinking about like if you take a slap shot, you know, it's the same. Yeah. Kind of keep everything pretty tight to your chest so you can stick handle it close to your, close to you. Yeah, like I mean, I don't know a ton of about like the mechanics of the golf swing,

but I do know that your left, your, you know, top hand, which my left is already, and you want to keep that pretty strict and straight going back, right? You obviously bend at the top, but like you're not coming in tight to your, you know what I mean? Your elbows out. You're not coming in tight. So with my, like my stick handle, you're always like this, right? You're always inside.

So I saw your mitts at the, on a couple of the clips there from last week. I was pretty nice. A little kick into your skate move there. But, uh, going around the goal. That was nice, man. Yeah. But you, Deleague,

I mean, it was fucking D. Did you guys, did you guys score on that play? You just the back door. Did it go in? No, it was kind of a,

it was a, we were, we were, we were, we were, we were, winning about like seven goals. So the goal we decided to do kind of a buffet of bits

and come after us. So I decided to do a buffet back and be like, I'm just going to stick handle around you, make it look like a fucking moron. There you come in and like, they got a player in net. You don't want to, like, score on the player in that because that's weird. So, you know.

You dished off, eh? That's classic. Yeah, we're dishing a lot. Me and Frankie had connected for a couple back door one T's. Well, Matt was like, he was helping me out with all my, with all the fundamentals now. So now the next time I go out there, I'm going to have to do everything you were saying. Yeah, I was still seeing you guys talking about the skating stride. And, yeah, pretty funny.

Like, I have a, my strength coach is the same guy that, like, has worked with Crosby since he was like, you guys and you guys were talking about Sid when. And, you know, they've worked together since they were like 13. He was 13. And Sid's got the best sit position in the game. So those two, the trainer I have is like just an expert on that. So I thought I'd fire you a couple notes and help you out a little bit. That shit is fucking hard. Like Sid legit.

And obviously you're a really good skater too. Sid legit, it looks like he's sitting in a chair with perfect posture when he's skating full speed down the ice. So what I was saying to Frankie is what Andy, our strength coach teaches is like, your shin angle. So like this is your shin, this is your foot right here coming like that way. So the closer to 45, the better. And then your angle from here should be the same. So if you look at Sid, got you. So like Sid's like one-legged, um, squats or any of anything he's doing. He gets so low. And it's because his ankles are can dorsy flex. So basically like you bring your knee this way. Um, or you,

if you take your big toe and point it towards your knee, that's like Dorsey flexion. Plantar flexion is like you're straightening your foot. My foot almost just didn't even move. So Sid, like Sid's unbelievable out of it. He's like the original like, like young guy that came into the league at 18. That was like just like in better shape and just moved better than everyone else.

And he's just paved the way for everyone coming after. I was, I was like four or five years after him. coming in but it was amazing just to see the transformation in the league just guys working on different stuff and i mean yeah i mean he's a he's the poster child for like perfect like posture on the ice out there and he's so strong and he's just in a better position to everybody else and i honestly like especially earlier in his career you watch some of some like how dynamic he was early on compared to everybody else uh it's just amazing and that's what it comes from so not to get it to

hockey nerdy and i love you guys but that was i i love hearing about your game too i remember one of the first podcast I listened to, you were talking about catching a puck on your back hand, like full speed coming through the middle of the ice. And I was laughing about that. I was like, oh, if I ever meet him, I'll have to have to tell them a couple little tricks. Dude, so for me, the thing I struggle with is when I play golf and I don't play golf, you know, very well, but at least I know some of the fundamentals to work on. Like, I know if I want to hit a draw, how to take the club back, and I know, like, certain things that you have to do. In hockey, I was telling rigs, like, I just didn't grow up playing. I grew up watching a ton. So I can find myself in the right areas, but I'll

never know. I was even asking like the most simple question. Like actually, how do you stick handle? Do you have like the toe up? Do you do it on the heel? Like what are the actual things that I have to think about? And the thing I would wonder with you is like, how often are you thinking about the fundamentals when you're playing in an NHL game? Are you actively thinking about your angle or is it just second nature where you're just like, you know what to do at this point? So for me, I'm always, I'm thinking about everything. My teammates actually give me shit all the time because I'm like kind of the ultimate like hockey nerd.

Like just I work with Adam Oates who's like Hall of Fame guy has a bunch of guys in the league and he is ultimate hockey nerd as well. He's like my personal coach. And we always are talking about like you'll go skate with him and he talks about like the vibe. Like yeah, there you go.

Dude, Vinnie LaTherry was talking about working with Adam Oats. I think he was like going out to go. He's like a survivor. He's like a savant. He's insane. You won't believe this guy he was saying. It's crazy. If you guys sat like my dad, I skate with him this summer, my dad, I said,

Dad, come like you never met Oat C and like he had nothing going on. I was actually, it's right around the time I said, listen to the pod because I was driving almost two hours each way to skate because Ontario was so shut down and there was no, there was no ice in my hometown. So I had to skate or I had to drive a long way. So I said, told my dad, jump in the truck come come hang with ozzi and i just listen to him talk and he like we got in the car after and he's like holy shit like actually o t o tc cate for a guy on tour for a bit he's a diehard

like golf guy he gives like golf lessons too like you want to get a good guy on the pod get get get him on he's he is uh my list we got to get this yeah he just call him o t he's yeah yeah exactly yeah but he uh he talks about like the vibration and the stick like when you catch a puck Like you should feel it like here. Like it's like he's, he's dialed in. And it's it's like he wants everyone to use a toe curve rather than a heel curve. And I was, I actually, when I started working with him, I had a little more of a heel. And I was using Joe Sackick's curve that he used when he played.

It was not the one that you would have bought like in, in the store. It was more of like a little heel with a little bit of toe. Yeah, because the one that everybody played in the store was like a pretty hard toe curve, wasn't it? Yeah, yeah. And that's like, Oatsy's like favorite curve actually. Um, is that just like the OG like right with the first like synergy. The synergy. Yeah.

Everybody had the sackick. Everybody had the sackick. So yeah. He stopped playing and like you couldn't really find them. They started like dwindle away a little bit. It was like. Yeah. Well, they renamed them.

It looks like a sack. Yeah. They renamed them. I think it was a Nazlin and a Bauer and it was like, I think it's a Crosby and a CCM. And like, but, uh, anyway, he, he got me. He, his, how he said it was like, if I'm going to slide a, uh, a glass of, uh, a glass beer down the bar to you and you're going to catch it how are you going to catch it and i said like this he's like well what shapes a beer glass round what shapes puck round okay why would you use would

you ever catch it like this like heel curve like i was kind of like okay so now i see i watch guys i have a couple teammates i always give shit too they're great players too um but the puck will roll on them every now and then or they'll go to zip a pass and they got that old jury curve you remember that one looks like a six iron and uh they'll go to zip a pole and um hawk and it sails and it's like hey like i'll always say hey it's the heel curve it's the heel curve i'll give it to them um if you have the toe curve you're able to sling it more he talks about like a short stop like throwing the ball you know to first he catches it he's his hands like this and he throw it off your like your back foot so it's amazing he studies all the different parts of the

game and human body like talks about the fingers like how you hold you always like some guys will hold their stick like really weird like like some guys will hold it and the butt ends like here some will hold it like here like I hold it right here and he's and that's he says that's the right way to hold it because these fingers and your hand here that's where you get all your strength from if you think about when you're swinging a golf club it's kind of the same thing right like you use the top um your top hand the butt end is usually right about there I would think that's how I grip it anyway but those are your like if you're to cut off these fingers like you'd be useless with these two versus like in terms of strength you know what i mean so like stuff like that like

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Brock Nelson to one of my guys around here and he is an analytical he loves all the shit that you're talking about like it loves everything about it and he was going crazy about because where he holds the stick he was saying he kind of puts the butt end right into here he actually has in all of his gloves it like it's worn out on his glove yeah weird spot and pitch guys. Oh, really? He's further up.

I mean, most guys wear it like right here. Maybe that's what he was talking about. I don't know much about it. Yeah, but he probably holds it right. Most guys hold it that way. But like I have a teammate who holds it like right here.

Like he holds it like this and doesn't even have these fingers on. And I always chirp him. I'm like, hey, he'd shoot a lot harder if you had the whole, right. He's a hell of a player. He's one of our best passers.

So can't give him too much shit. But one of the funny things is like he couldn't understand. He couldn't understand like why how that affected his golf grip and the teacher was kind of like all right like how do you hold a hockey stick and he did it and it was just enough off for him to be a little too open and now it's like you rearrange your grip so i feel like you would dive into that world have you have you done that yet where you really i haven't to the swing i'm trying to get as good as i can on my own without taking a lesson and then i'm gonna i don't first of all two kids i just want to go play and that's all i have time for i'm still getting

shit when i'm coming home and five hours later and she's like oh golf takes 12 hours like like like whatever and she's kind of right she loves 12 too but yeah it does if we do it right it takes 12 hours right but um yeah but i i i want to like i shoot anywhere from 80 to 88 when i'm playing like when i'm playing well to really well and i cannot break freaking 80 i've done it once in my life i shot 79 i just always make those two or three or four mistakes per nine that just cost me like those few strokes you know what i mean so But it used to be my driver was my Achilles heel. I got fitted.

And the one thing I've learned about that is it's all the shaft. I can't believe how important shaft is. It's crazy. It's everything. And my drivers want maybe my best club now. I'm good around the greens, chipping and putting. All hockey guys are good around the greens. Usually pretty good.

Yeah, yeah. It just comes kind of natural, even though I'm a righty. I can chip lefty, but I'll do that every now and then just to work on the a little bit, the other side of the brain, but the, uh, right, uh, my irons are my issue. I scoop them. Like, I'll hit a nine iron higher than it, than I do far. Like at the club up, like my pitching wedge, I should hit like 150. I, I, I play at like 135 because it goes so damn high. And so I actually hate hitting my, most people like, like, like, obviously like their eight, nine pitching wedge. And, um, for me, um, for me, it's, sorry, I was going to

other calls coming through. For me, I like, I like my lower irons. Yeah, sorry. For me, I like my lower irons. Like I hit my four, five, and six probably and seven. Those are my favorite. The eight, nine pitch, I hate hitting those clubs. Unless I'm doing like a check pitch where I can just kind of punch it. Like, it drives me nuts. So I got to get less than that. I think I scoop up on it at the end a little too much. But you kind of like Lurch. Like Lurch would rather be hitting from like 205 yards than like 140 because he can just rip like a seven iron 205 yards or something and then when he gets in because he hits down on the ball so hard that he I think he like struggles to control his yardage and what and what now when he gets in a little bit closer but long iron he can dust people because

he just purrs through the fucking ball from 205 yards also if he's saying his driver's his best swing he might be doing the opposite of what I was doing with my new iron swing where you're hitting up on your irons just like you are in your dries and you're not coming down on it like we just went to the kingdom. It was amazing the difference in swings. Because I was like, all right, I'm going to work on my irons. I'm going to have a much better tempo. I'm going to come down on it. I'm going to try and find the slot, whatever the hell that means. And then all of a sudden, I'm hitting these drives and like, they wouldn't go more than 15 feet off the ground. I'm like, what the fuck is happening? And the guy's like,

dude, it's a completely different swing. You got to hit. And then we get into the angles that Brorie hits six degrees up on a ball. It's nuts. I think I was listening to talk about that and legit thought the same thing. Like, I don't miss, I barely miss one of your guys' pods now. I mean, I listen to it every day on the way of the rink and usually at home and stuff. Yeah, you guys, I love it, man. You guys, I got all my buddies into it too. I texted my one with my buddies when you asked me to come on the show. He was like, no way.

Like, let me know when it's going to be on. Although I don't miss an episode, I'll probably hear it. But, yeah. Well, honestly, you guys give yourself shit about not talking golf. I love all the other shit. Like the space talk and stuff. I'm a, I like that stuff too. And, oh, yeah, I'm not getting you down the rabbit hole right now.

But, like, when you guys interviewed the scientists there about the telescope open stuff like and then i'm freaking pissing my pants laughing about you guys talking about that guy that goes to the waste management who's like the dad with the kids and lurks was going like i need this like and his wife's all pissed or hitting them with the bags out of the door i was dying i'm like yeah that's me on that trip like i'd be right in the mix for sure you had so many messages saying like i had to turn it off during that part because it got way too real like they didn't want to hear that it's almost like your best buddy like kind of sitting you down be like dude you got to to start like getting your shit together.

So good. Like I was listening to you guys. I started the one today when you guys talking about the waste management. I was laughing at the debate of whether you want to be right in there on 16 getting the pint sport on you or whether you want to be, you know, in the nice suite or whatever. And I was laughing. I was like, geez, me right now, I'd probably take the, the beer being poured down my

forehead by some young kid. So, dude, we talk, speaking of waste management and fans and crowds, I mean, you know, you play in different, different barns, as they call it, around the, around the country, around the, around North America, really. I mean, do fans ever matter? Do they ever get to you? I mean, I understand they matter in terms of like, they're loud and there's momentum and all that shit. But like, do you ever really hear anything anybody says? Only like what your point when you were saying, like, if it's quiet and some random guy yells something, like that would, especially in a golf swing, because every moment of that golf swing,

I mean, you're you're talking yourself in your head, right? You're going through what you're doing. Yeah. Yeah. And if you get, I mean, you're this far off, you know, you're missing by 100 yards. You know what it is. And inches is many, many yards in golf. So I think it would be the same if it was like, you know, hear a pin drop and then, you can't hear, you know.

And then I'll send somebody else on it. I think it'll be the same. But when everyone's loud, like, I feel like the golfers would probably like, like that too. Like if everyone's screaming and yelling, it's just like steady noise. But if it's like quiet and then someone just screams something, you'd hear it. But I mean, I love loud arenas. I mean, a few years ago when I was in Columbus, we went on that run when we swept Tampa in the first round. Like, I've never heard arena louder than that game three and four at home in Columbus when, you know, they have a sneaky, sneaky good crowd. If you want to go see a good game, a good crowd,

like Columbus's crowd in the playoffs, it's unbelievable. And when we, when we won that series, and even in game three, it was just banana. So, yeah, like, I love the, I love the noise. I love the, and when the crowd reacts appropriately, like, it's kind of funny playing Canada versus the U.S., like you go play in Montreal, and it's like a church, like, in terms of, like, just the vibe and the kind of, even the lighting in there, that's a bucket list thing to go see a game, you know, a Habs game and see a game there. That rink is even when they come up, when they skate out to that cold play song,

It's pretty unbelievable. But the crowd just reacts the right way. Like it's like because they all know hockey. And then you'll go somewhere where it's just really rowdy. Like here in Nashville, like people are getting to know hockey more. So it's people react appropriately. But it's just my wife sits in the stand. She's like this place is the best place ever watched a game.

Everyone's just so happy. Like everyone just came off Broadway. They're been drinking all day or having a good time or they're going out to drink later. Everyone's just in a great mood. And we have a diehard following here. It's unbelievable. So, but yeah, I mean, there's nothing that beats a crowd. Like, when I watch that waste management, I'm like, these guys got to love this for like,

for like this week. Like, again, like I'm not sure if it would be an all the time thing. But man, like, I can't imagine getting on a 16 and like, you know, you miss the green, you get booed. Like, you got to be laughing, you know, like you have to be. And like, you can't take yourself too seriously. You know what I mean? Yeah, there's some guys who really like it, but there's also been guys in the past to avoid that

tournament because they don't like it. Like, it really. Yeah. Who said they don't? Wasn't there somebody who said that they don't like that? I want to say like Jim Furrick doesn't have a great, like, I think Jim Furrick was like it's just, I don't know, he stays away. I mean, obviously he's older now, but back in the day,

I think he kind of had that. I think like Bubba used to have some run-ins, but now he embraces the shit out of it, but I think he at times used to get into it. Did Rory at one point say something about it too? Or maybe he was talking about playing with Tiger. That's what he was talking about. It wasn't.

I think I remember he said, like, yeah, playing with Tiger was like a two-stroke penalty for every time, you know, every couple rounds you play with him or something. But Rory, I think Rory played last year. He played the waste management for the first time in a long time or maybe ever. But it was also a pretty watered down version. And then I also would imagine guys that avoid it probably don't publicly say that they're like avoiding it because it's the waste management. They just never fucking play it.

Yeah. Right. Also, I talked a lot about how I might not want to be in that crowd. And then I got a lot of DMs and messages after that pod came out yesterday of saying like there's video evidence of me crying inside the Nassau Coliseum as beers were raining down. on the ice last year in the last game of the Coliseum against game six against the lightning. So I mean, I literally in the video was like, beers are raining down on me. I was like so happy. You just love this.

I felt like I literally said, I told my dad if he had a gun, he could shoot me in the head right at that moment. So Frankie, the first time I heard your name was my wife brought it up because she's like, hey, have you seen this guy? He works for Barstool. I'm not sure what thing he's on, but he's like a diehard eye. Islander fan and he's like they have a camera on them at the games and he's just like hilarious to watch it like no I didn't see it didn't really think anything of it and I started listening you guys like oh okay that's the guy I was crying at the Islander game

he's a lunatic yeah tough one this year but but you know one of the you know one of the you know one of the things that I've always liked about you is you know you you've had like your names always come up as just a as a like I'm just an Islander fan fan of NFL and then your name's always coming up in like in free agency and the big guys to acquire like how are you able to kind of you know maneuver your way around that and like how do you make decisions based off of like you know we're talking a lot about the Saudi league right now and like guys wanting to go to another league for a lot of more money and like you have to think about everything and you know reputation and honor and all this stuff and like you know you've now found your home like

what goes into all of that I'd really be interested into it because you feel I feel like you've really handled that super well oh I appreciate it um well, I'd love to hear some of the Saudi stuff you guys are talking about. I saw that Bryson headline on Zyr Golf, so we can talk about that after. And then I was hearing you guys talking about the money and stuff. But yeah, for me, so I played, I think it was part of nine seasons in Colorado, and my wife's from there, and they're my favorite team as a kid.

You know, I was kind of there in the dark days when it just, there was no, obviously they've, you know, turn it over. around big time and they're you know they have one of the best teams if not the best team the league right now um but um i was there when you know it was tough and it was bleak and you know i was looking at my next couple years i was two years off my contract i'm like geez like i feel like i'm underachieving i feel like you know this is just a tough scenario um i sat down with joe sacc who was my idol as a kid he's our gm and i had i asked for a trade and and it was probably the hardest thing i've ever done And I just said like, hey, like, and it was, I said, I don't, I like at this point, I, I can't see

myself resigning because this team like we, it's in a big time rebuild. And I feel like I need a new opportunity. I got a couple years left on my deal. And, you know, I want to make the best out of it. And then also for you, like, I don't want to just leave you high and dry. I don't want to walk away and kind of not have, not you get anything back. Like, I want to be up front and let you know where I'm at. And this is what I'm thinking. And, and it would took almost. a year to make it happen. And because neither of us really in our hearts wanted the situation. And he told me

that several times, which was amazing to hear your childhood idol, you don't want you to stay, obviously, right? So, I mean, and I think the world of them still. And the, you know, so that was really, really hard. And it's still a ways on me

at times because I just, I bled Burgundy and Blue as a kid. And, you know, but I just, I felt that time, you know, it was the right move. And for me, I had kind of, I'd gotten to know Nashville a little bit at the time and falling in love with the city and just the vibe. They had a great team, great core. And I was like, okay, like if I'm moving on, this is kind of where I want to go. I end up going to Ottawa who was actually, I ended up getting traded to Ottawa, who was actually the other team I was kind of looking at.

When I got there, there was some stuff going on that. And just tons of conflict within the franchise. And the thing imploded, like, instantly. And like about a month after I got there, and I was like, oh, okay, well, this isn't probably where I need to be. So then I end up going to Columbus in a trade at the deadline because I said I wasn't going to resign with Ottawa. And, you know, Columbus disbanded after that.

We had a hell of a team. Team I still think could have won the cup. We had Panarin and Brovsky and Falino, Josh Anderson, Cam Atkinson, like the whole core of that team, other than like Boone Jenner and Werensky are the only two guys there. Seth Jones was there, who I think, you know, top five B-man. the league at worst.

So that was about to implode too. So I was kind of like, okay, like, you know, the way it's kind of being paid for Nashville. And for me, you know, and the advice I give to free agencies, like people that ask me, guys that are coming up, haven't been through the process is what can you control? Well, you can't control how good the team is to a certain extent. And you can believe in the core or whatever, but look at Colorado going from, you know, we won 22 games in 2017. and now they're like they almost won 22 games in a row.

Like you look at, it's so hard to predict who's going to win. You see Montreal last year go to the finals. And then this year, they're having a tough year. Islander, same thing. Like, you know, they have a hell of a roster.

They're better than. She's talking. No, yeah, exactly. But I'm empathizing with you because they're better than the year they've had. They had all those COVID issues. They kind of got screwed by that. Totally. Like you've talked about.

I agree with that big time. So it's so hard to pick a winning team. and pick who to go to. So you want to believe in the future, believe in who's running the show, who's who the coaches are, who the GMs are, although that's interchangeable. And that was something I always believed in in Colorado. And it was, it made a really hard decision for me because I did believe in Joe Sackick a lot. I just knew he'd get that thing right.

Eventually, I just didn't know how long it would take. And the, the, so the thing is, it's like, hey, like, you have a family, hey, where do I want to live? Do I want to live there in my career? What's my end game? Then obviously the money comes in. Okay, like what state tax, right? Like we're making more in Nashville with no state tax than playing in New York, right? Like New York, you're paying Canada, you're paying at the ass.

And here, Vegas, Dallas, Florida, like, it's different. So you can take a little less and you're still making the same amount. And that actually allows your team to be better too because you could give more cap room. So there's so much to look into. And for me, it's how I look at it. it is is, you know, I've been blessed. God's given me the ability to play this game at the level at this level in the NHL and I only get one shot at this. I want to be the best I can be, use the gifts he gave me for his glory and help the team win a Stanley Cup and try and win a

Stanley Cup and achieve whatever I can in the meantime. And one of my biggest motivators and what was really cool about playing in Ottawa was so many Canadian kids in the stanzas, like, I made the NHL because I looked up because I looked up to my hero so much. I looked up to Joe Sack, Peter Forrestberg, Patrick Pua, those are my three guys. And if without those guys, I wouldn't have had something to like aim at or like say, I want to be that guy. I want to do this. Those guys like, I modeled my game after those guys. And there's still so many parts of my game that you can watch that you're like, okay, like, yeah, I could see a little bit of similarity.

Obviously, I'm not at their level. I would love to get to their level, obviously. But those guys are some of the best players of all time. But, you know, to be that for next generation, I think that should, that should motivate you to the end degree. And I'm sure some golfers feel that way. And I don't know how many, you know, NHL guys think that deeply about it. I know I definitely do because I was so affected by those guys positively growing up. So, yeah, that's kind of my whole thing going into it.

So, and then being here in Nashville, it's just what a city. I mean, you guys like just, I've stumbled a. upon Trubodore, which has been one of the biggest little, you know, unseen blessings of my life just to have somewhere to go with my family and have my kids be outside and, like, we threw my kids' birthday party there and spend time with friends and family. And then, I mean, I live out in Brentwood where it's pretty quiet and really nice neighborhood, but then you can go downtown and hit the best street in North America, you know, so have some drinks here, some great music. And so it checks all the boxes. So I'm definitely over the moon where I'm at in terms of my life and with my family.

And hockey's been going great this year for everybody here in Nashville. So it's been, we had a couple tough years, my first got here. But it's going great. And we just want to keep going. So that's the long version of it. And hopefully that's your question. I don't like the disguise on Nashville, man. Well, it's one of the best answers we've ever had on the podcast.

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So go to Sling.com slash Barstool to sign up now and try it for free. You know, cool, it's going to be for people, like, all around, like his, you know, his former team. his current team to be able to hear you just like talk through that because we don't ever get to see that it's always just like a twitter post about like you know thank you colorado for for the time there and it's oh like yeah to hear like you know you used to bleed burgundy and blue and like now you're gonna be that joe saccic for a kid in nashville right it's like a new age of of fandom that's now that they're going to look for a superstar player to latch on to and you know it's like that could be you and it probably is you and that's such a cool thing to be able to carry out for the rest of your

for the rest of your career and such a cool look into it and it's just like I'm you know that's awesome man that's a really great really great story yeah yeah I mean there's times in my career early on I probably I came off probably as too intense or too kind of into what I was doing personally to my teammates I know for a fact I did and and it was just because I had all this kind of pressure that I was putting on myself. And I've learned how to balance that now for sure a lot better. You get a little bit older. You deal with, you know, some stuff of, you know, how you were brought up and, and how you look at different things and for better and worse. And you improve as, as, you know, just a, you become more well-rounded person. When I came into the league, hockey was all I knew. I had no,

I didn't, my first sip of beer, I was 19 years old. And, and, like, it was all about hockey. And now I mean, I love to have a good time and get after it. And my dad's a, I found out my dad is the exact same way later on, early in my career. And that was pretty funny. But, you know, early on, I mean, I was brought up pretty straight narrow household. Hockey was all there was. And it took me a minute because I came in at 18. I was, I graduated high school, got drafted, played in the NHL.

And I came in kind of the old school. And I was like a, I'm sure some of my teammates, my older teammates looked at me like an alien from outer space like what the hell this little boy is on our team he doesn't he like what the heck is he talking about what's he doing like so um i definitely give those guys credit for being impatient with me and uh it's funny now we all see the young kids come in and it's a normal thing so it's funny to to see them and kind of have a soft spot for them because we know we're all there too that's amazing i mean frankie this guy's got 23 goals and 20 assists in 45 games so far this year yeah he's having a fantastic year you know it's got to be something

Thanks guys. I appreciate that. Things are just clicking. Like, what, what happens? Like, are you consciously knowing,

like, all right, things are just going right now where it's just a momentum that you're building off each night? Yeah, it is. You get into,

you get into rhythm. I mean, I think the biggest part of sports, I've worked a ton on my mental game. And I, I've dealt with, you know, some certain different,

like, kind of issues the last couple years. I probably had my whole life that I didn't realize. Like, I actually, it's probably the first time of sharing this publicly,

but I dealt with, I found out, two years ago, I had a bad anxiety problem. And it was something that had been with me for a long time. And I didn't really realize it until I had just something happened. It was right after the bubble, actually, in Edmonton. And I've done some awesome treatment. I know you guys do that one ad for the, you know, the mental side of stuff.

Yeah, it's, yeah, it's. So actually the one psychologist, just our team hired. Our team's been really on the up and up with, with the psychology side of things. And her name's Vicki Woosley. And she's like been a godsend for me, especially last year.

I went through some stuff last year that was just really tough. And, um, you know, it's funny because no one sees it, right? They see you on the ice and it's like, oh, he's got this many goals.

He's playing like shit or like he's playing great. Like no one knows what's behind. Right. We're just a figurine out on the ice skating around. It's same with golf. Right. Like, oh shit.

Like he fucking shanked that one. Like what's wrong with them? I'm like you just, well, you know what I mean? You're hair off mentally for a second. And she actually works with a lot of golfers shorts at Vanderbilt. They have some good up-and-coming people. And she works with a few pros, actually. And she's unbelievable.

And she's helping me so much. And it's the mental side of the game is just, so for me, the big thing is like staying in the moment. It's like every single, the stand in the moment and playing the game. The one thing we, I even write on my stick, F&L stands for, free and loose and the number 16, like play like I did when I was 16 years old, like that

excitement, that happiness, that stay in the moment, go have fun, do that type of thing. Like, if you think about playing anything at 16, like, Riggs, whether it was hockey for you or Frankie golf or baseball, like, you know, it's, it's when you're in the moment and Trent, I'm sure when you broke 100, I mean, you're probably dialed right into the moment. But when you're right, when you're right in that moment, like, and that's all that matters. And you could just focus on, okay, I just got to make contact with the, with the ball and get it on the green. Not quite like you were doing with Fleetwoods the other day, Frankie. But yeah, that was not in the moment, right?

So when you're right in it, like, yeah. So like right now, like, you know, puck's going to the net. And, you know, before a game, you'll think, geez, okay, I got to do that again tonight. Like, I got to, I'm expected to go do that again tonight. Like, I need, I want to do it for myself. I want to do it for my team. I'm expected to do it. I'm being paid to do it.

So you kind of go there in your head and you go, ah, just shoot it. Just let your body take over and you end up scoring a goal. And you kind of do a double take. You're like, holy shit, that went in. Like I just kind of shot, I let the body take over.

And oh, wow, that's great. You know, it's one of those things. So that's the best way to go about it. That's, there's no better way to play sports than in the moment. You can drown out all the noise and it's damn hard a lot of time than a lot of times. And I was having a really hard time with it for years, years, years, years, years and I didn't realize it.

You know, that's the, that's the key, I think. It's so raw and real and cool to hear you speak about it that way. It reminds me a lot of Bubba Watson. We had him on and he, you know, he dove deep into the same kind of stuff. You're talking about where he's like, you know, I'm out there. I'm inside the ropes. I'm hitting shots. And there's fans yelling.

They have no idea what I'm going through and that, you know, he has bad anxiety about being around a ton of people and being touched by other people and it makes me uncomfortable and all these things that are going on, you know, in. his real life. And again, the reason I say it's so raw and real is, you know, people can relate to it because everybody deals with shit, right? You're at the office and whether it's, you know, you got to hammer out a bunch of spreadsheets and then go perform in this meeting. Meanwhile, you might have been up until 4 a.m. that night because of something going on in your in your real life, your brother's alive, and nobody in the office or in their suits when they walk into that room knows that.

Yet you got to kind of deliver and figure your shit out. And I think that that's just so relatable to people. So again, hearing that side of it from a, from a, from a, you know, top-tier professional athlete is fascinating. And I think it gives people probably a lot of hope. Like, oh, man, like everybody's a normal person. Everybody's going through shit and trying to learn, you know, life and balance stuff. So I think that's just really cool to hear it from you. Yeah.

Yeah, I appreciate that. And, you know, some of the, some of the most annoying comments you can hear as an athlete is like, oh, shut up. Like, you've got, you're making millions of dollars. Well, I don't come home to my house and go, oh, I, like, I just, you know what I mean? Like I don't come home to like what I don't go and drive my car, my car, whatever I'm driving. I drive a pickup. But like I don't go like, oh, like this makes me. Like it doesn't make you happy, man.

It's like the only thing like I mean, family for me, you know, is is everything. And, you know, I love my sport and I love to do what I do. But it also is it's the death of me at times. And when things aren't going well and I'm not performing and living up to what I'm capable of, it kills me. And it kills all of us. And I think we all feel that way. And I can't, I, it drives me nuts when people think just because, you know, we make a good living that, yeah, are we blessed that way? Absolutely.

Do we have less stress in that way than a lot of people? Yeah. But I know a ton of people back home that are working nine to five, working with their hands, doing stuff, making a great little living and doing their thing. And they're happier than tons of pro athletes and actors and like people like, like, imagine being some of those big actors and have a deal with stalkers. Like, are you kidding me right now? Like, can you imagine? Like, they're probably like, oh, my God. Like, I give this up right now to just make 100K a year and do my thing and just be with

my family. Like, I'm sure there's so many that feels so trapped. That's why they get into, you know, the alcohol and the drugs are fine in some way to turn to something to like to take the edge off. So yeah, it's, yeah, I, you know, I didn't know we're going to go down the mental health side of things. But at the same time, like, honestly, honestly, it's such an important thing. And in today's world with social media and everyone's a writer, like, you know, it's, it's hard to get away from your own press even if you want to.

And you're always hearing things and people get, you know, the meme, people, there's memes and shit out there for, I'm not talking about me, but for other people, like, you do one thing. And all of a sudden, it's like everywhere and you're now being laughed at by people that don't even like really even care about what you're doing. It's just wild. It's just an amazing world we're living in for better and for world. And being in the public eye is tough for never. So I definitely sympathize with people that are going through stuff and know that I've gone through my own stuff. And most people do.

And I mean, most guys of my team, I would say when I started, there were no one working with a psychologist. Now I'd say 75 plus are working with sports psychs. And I know golfers, it's even higher, probably higher than that because that's such a finicky sport, you know, one week you fail more than you succeed, right? Any sport you fail more than you succeed, like, you know, you're battering in in in baseball like you hit three out of ten you're a hall of famer right like you're failing most of the time and you're the best at it like think about that

you know so so if you don't have someone you're either just you either don't really care or your heart is a rock between the years where in a good way like you're just so mentally strong and some people are blessed that way but most aren't yeah it's crazy timing i mean i've been dealing with this stuff forever but we talk about We just talked to, we did a pre-show little meeting about like what we're doing with Foreplay and I have a series coming up fixing Frankie and I think it's going to be so different for people to be able to see that like it's not all about the driving range and the putting green and the short range.

There's a lot of things that and my hope and my dream for the series is that yes, it's going to be funny. Yes, hopefully I'm going to become better, chipper than short game player. But maybe someone watching it can take something that they learn from that video, whether it be from a sports psych or, you know, someone, a drill sergeant from West Point. I have all these ideas that I want to do. And maybe they can apply it to their own life, whether it be for work or family and then golf. Like it sounds so serious the way you say it.

But like if you, not many people have access to those types of tips, right? So like if we can open up those doors and talk about that's why it better help for us. We do those ad reads. Like it's amazing. All you need is like that door to be open just a little bit. You watch a YouTube video here and there. Like all I need is just a tip to just get by. Like that's what.

I'm always looking for. Just like tips here and there. How can I make myself better in certain situations? So yeah, it's really interesting and awesome to hear you talk about it so openly. And yeah, I've seen firsthand like what you're saying, like just a lot of the guys in the league, a lot of guys on tour. It's become just as important as their swing coach. You know, you got to be able to stay mentally strong because you guys are under so much

freaking pressure. It's crazy. I put pressure on my teams. Like, I'm going crazy watching these games and like you sometimes forget. Like, I've, I've been blessed to be able to know these guys now on a personal level. I'm better at it. But when I was 14, 15 years old, I would have fucking given them the double bird and been like, how do you not score on that open, that one time or you were wide open?

And then I was taught at the younger, around like 15 or 16 by this guy, Bernie Casell. He was the Islander's skills coach. He had like the best hands I've ever seen in my entire life. He was huge for me growing up and watching hockey. But he taught me that there's two teams on the ice, Frank. He would sit at Borrellys. He'd come to Borrellys on the way games when he wasn't traveling with the team. We'd watch the games.

And he'd say, why are you so? med that the islanders didn't convert on that offensive chance and you're not looking at that all-star defenseman that just stepped up on a two-on-one and intercepted a pass and shoved it back up the ice and they scored on a breakaway. Why are you not saying good job defense, but you're just saying boo-hoo offense and it's totally changed my perception on how to watch the game. Introducing wood, a new men's grooming line offering products across hair, body, beard, and shave. With wood products, you'll look your best, smell your best, and feel your best. Now all you have to do is live. your best. We've talked about this stuff because it just came out recently a few weeks ago or maybe

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a negative video session is like like like rigs i'm sure you've been in a few of them um but like yeah Like, you know, you know when it's going to be bad. And it's like the worst thing in the world is seeing is when they click the mouse. And you know, like, thankfully this year we haven't had too many of them, but a few last couple years we've had some tough ones. And every coach does it. And rightfully so. I mean, I'm sure there's some games are like watching at home. And they're like, they're sitting in their office and they're taking time away from their family to watch my stupid ass out there, blow my defensive coverage or turn the puck over whatever.

And they're going, this fucking guy. makes this much money and he just did that like what the fuck like i'm sure they're i'm sure they're thinking that right so so i know they're thinking that right behind the closed doors they're probably after appearance like he's what what what's that like you know so the worst thing in the world is when you know that computer clicks on it goes from the screen saver of the video coach is saying up on the big board and the first clip pulls up and you see number 95 there and you're like oh i remember this so who you just start cringing right So the one thing we do, so on the flip side, there's sometimes where you watch something and you're like,

fuck coach, like they're trying to, they're trying to stop me. They're trying to win too. And also, I didn't have, you know what's going to happen. You know I should have been here. I didn't know I was supposed to be there because I didn't know what was going to happen. You know the future. You know this guy's going to get open and score. Actually, this year we played the Islanders and the first goal of the game was totally my fault, totally my fault.

like blew my, I was back checking, we started watching the play, stop skating, guy skated right by me, and I missed him by like a stride, he put it in the open net. And I was like, okay, like, he and coach was talking about it in between the periods. He didn't call me out by name, but he was saying like, you know, we got to make sure we finish the back check, you know, the first goal, blah, blah. And I'm like, yep, yep, fair enough. Like absolutely my fault all day long. But like in my helmet at the time, you're like, I see the pocket.

there. It looks like we're going to turn it and go the other way. And then all of a sudden it's like, oh, shit, there goes my guy and he's got step on me. I can't, I can't get those steps back. I stop skating for one second. You know what I mean? So it's, it's really funny both sides. I mean, we see things certain way, coaches see things another way. But like you're saying, like, do you guys see the, see the play the other day where it was all over social media where Jamie Ben had the open net and put it over the net, right in the crease? Like, people probably going nuts. The ice is so bad in Dallas. That's not even on him. He shoots the puck. If you watch the puck, he couldn't shoot it over the net there if he tried without the puck rolling, right? And I'm

sure there's people, there's an armchair, you know, quarterbacks at home screaming all of the TV. But it's like, hey, when the puck rolls, like that old Patrick Stefan clip where he tries put it in the open net in Edmonton and they go down and score, right? Like, like that's, that's literally jumps over his stick in the last second. It's unbelievable. Yeah. One of the most insane clips of all time. Yeah. Exactly. So like that's not his fault with the puck rolls and he goes to put it in like he can't control that. So anyway, there's a lot that goes on in all sports. I'm sure like you guys are talking about Cantlay's pot hitting the ball, the beer can mark on the green. Like what's he going to do? You know, he didn't know it's there. You know. So that's the funny. That's the one funny part of the sport that no one obviously knows. Dude, we had some video sessions. I remember two that stick out. And you are right. The anxiety is sitting there and you know one of your bad plays is coming up. Right. The coach will go. through the whole game, Frankie. Like they'll literally just do basically from start to finish.

They'll be like, we're just going to watch the entire game. And he just stops it whenever he wants to roast somebody for doing something stupid. And you're like, all right, I know something really shitty that I did is coming up. Please don't stop it. Please don't stop it. And then it's just like, you hear the mouse click, stop. And he's like, all right, now we're like, oh, fuck. For the next five minutes, I'm going to get chirped.

And two of them in college, I'm not going to say which actual coach it was. but two of them. One time in college, I was told by a coach that he could have shot the puck harder with his limp dick. And then another time I was told, or the other time we had one of our defensemen, dude, this guy came up in the D, we were in the offensive zone. And their winger got the puck, chipped it off the boards, went right around our D man, skated in on like a two on one and they just scored. And he told one of our D man that the Titanic could have turned quicker than he did. It was. So, and we all like, it's a dark, shitty, time when this negative video, you know, uh, session and everyone's just like kind of chuckling in

the back of the room. He's like, what the fuck you guys laughing at? Yeah. Imagine how long it would take the Titanic to turn around to the blue line and like chase somebody down. Well, you want to how messed up we are that we, our brand and like our source of income and our livelihoods on four play pod is to just live off of showing people the negative film room. Like my life is now become people just laughing at my expense. And I, athletic feats, right? Like, we just put up a 25 minute video of me, me and my worst, my worst moment on the golf course ever. And it's like, ha, ha, let's fucking click on these things and buy shit. It's like, yeah, dude, I love it. I love it. I live for it. But we've had to, like,

I didn't grow up knowing that that was going to be my mental, like, I'd have to be so mentally tough that, like, everything I've ever done wrong on a golf course is going to be like the reason for our success. Like, what are you fucking crazy? Like, I got. I'm, I'm not. I'm, the worst golfer with the biggest platform. Like that is an impossible position to be in. So like our lives are just about negative, a negative stuff. Yes, we turn it into a positive.

We love it. We love to laugh at ourselves. But that, that's like something you got to kind of like learn to do. You can't, you're not born to be like, ha, ha, ha, ha,

I suck. It's not like, that's hard, man. Yeah. That's something that I've really learned. Like, I did not take,

even if it was a joke and it was all in good fun, I was not good at handling that for because I just, I'm a prideful guy and think really deeply, feel deeply about everything. And I learned to do that more and more over time. And it's great. Now, once you get to a certain point, you're just like,

I mean, Greg, you guys lean into it so well. Like, I would be kind of pissed if somebody was coming at me. Like, I know I'm not a good golfer. Like,

you like you guys tell the time, like, we know we're not that good. I'm very aware. Assaulting me. Why are you assaulting me? Like, like,

what's your handicap? Like, oh, you're 12, like, oh, okay, so you're no better, you know? Like, it's all you're rating. Dude, the guys on, the guys on Instagram, I can go about it this all day and obviously it rounds me to my core, but the guys are like, get this guy off the pod, we need a better golfer. This is the pod.

Like, the thing that I don't understand is like, what do you mean? What? Getting a better golfer would do what to what pod. This is the pod with these golfers. We are the thing that we made. So why are you saying to sub someone out and like, the reason why you're seeing, you're seeing what you're seeing is because we made what we made. We are the golfers that we are.

There is no substituting anything. We're not trying to achieve any sort of level of golf. Well, and also the weird mental leap that we've had to make, me in particular and us all to varying degrees is that like the worst we are, the more it appeals to a broader audience and the more people like it. So that has been a real mind fuck at times where it's like, I suck. And people are telling me that I suck. But also the videos are doing real well.

So it's like, what does that mean? And it's a very weird space to live in. Yeah. I remember a bunch of my buddies were following your Break 100 series. And I kind of actually texted. We have a group chat like everyone else does with their boys. And I text him was like, hey, boys, you ever heard this podcast, whatever? And like, then they started getting into it.

They started to watch that. And they were like, they were like rooting for you. Like, oh, Trent's a beauty. Like love it. He's right there. Like, you know what? Like, you know what? Like everyone has that.

Like, so I bought like, I'll give you example. For example, so my one buddy had the yips really bad last year. And my cousin, who's in our friend group, is kind of a new golfer. And it was just like, we just root for them all the time. We have, we use that app of Grint. So you can follow each other on there, see each other's rounds and stuff. And we always text, hey, great round. So and so or great round, whatever.

And I bought the G4 hat that says can't break 100. And we would, I'd hand it out. So we'd go play around with the boys. And anytime you put the boys and you do it. didn't break 100. You had to wear that hat everywhere and on the golf course until you then shot under 100. I like that.

So we had it passed back of the course. So then even if you shot 100, if one of the other guys shot 100, it would go to him because he was the newest guy who shot 100. So we had like this big, we had like a mini kind of like team thing. We went to a Muscoca Bay golf course up in Muscoca. It's unbelievable. I think it's top, top 10 in Canada for sure. It's awesome.

And I got like a sprinter van, Phil Yeti full of pints and some of my tequila soda stuff that I'm part of. And went over there and played like a 2 v2 round. And I had a great round. I was all fired up. And I talked to the other group and my cousin's one of them. And he takes it so damn seriously. Like he's at the simulator.

He's taking lessons. And he's one of those guys that is almost doing too much. And he's overthinking it. And we are just like, bloody, how you shoot? Yeah, bloody how you shoot, bud. you know the best line we've given it to him all day after he said dude i shot 107 but like i played pretty well right yeah and i was like dude you shot 107 you didn't fucking play well

like you did not play well like i've seen you play well you can't say you shot you hit like maybe you hit the ball well but you didn't play well like there's still you guys still got a pot and chip so the whole way back that was the joke be like hey 107 but i played well that was the joke the rest of the day. So, yeah, again, he took it really well. Yeah, yeah. But actually, it might have been 1-11. It might have been a little higher-al-un.

Sorry, Flutti, I know you're going to listen to this, buddy. Boy's getting dogged right now. He's my cousin. I can be a little harder on him than my, and he's new to golf. So, but, man, he'll be at the sim after this pot. I can guarantee you that. There's nothing wrong with that. There's nothing wrong with that.

Yeah, I bet, uh, I think this is one of those scenarios where I, like, told you come on for 20 minutes and you end up staying for an hour. So, I mean, you couldn't, you couldn't be more of like a down-to-earth awesome dude. Like, this is, like, I feel bad that we're taking so much of your time. Oh, buddy, not at all. My, I had about 10 minutes to spare. My wife was like, hey, you know, I'm a talker, man. I can talk all day and shoot the shit and analyze and hot stove, as I call it,

like the old satellite hot stove on hockey night in Canada. You know, that's, I love doing it. And about, you know, anything I love. So anytime you guys want to have another hour conversation with the hockey guy who, who has an anxiety issue and loves golf, just let me know. We're adding you to the list. You're going to be a recurring guest. We've got to have you back.

Yeah, absolutely. Anytime, guys. So really appreciate it. Yeah, give him a call. He's going to give me shit. He probably, well, he, I'm going to get him on to you guys. I'm going to text and be like, hey, you're going to get a request from Foreplay to go on their podcast.

So be ready for it. Also, one of the things I want to do is, and. We'll see if we can make this happen with schedules and stuff. But I've always, we have the four-man scramble, and I love playing against all these guys. But I want to do a ranking system, and we're so tight with all these professional athletes and teams. I want to see, like, who's the best four-man scramble in the NHL, right? So, like, you grab your best four out from Nashville. We get the best four from the Islanders.

And, like, we face each one. And we get a ranking system. Like, what did you guys shoot? How did you guys beat us? And, like, I want to do it. And you guys have to be one of our first teams because that would be so much fun. Yeah, I did. We'll go to Trubb.

I already told you we go out there when you guys are in National. We'll go to Trub, but it'll be me, Johansen, Yosey for sure, and we'll grab like Colton Sissons or someone else that's right in the next. Maybe Fabro. Fabro is a good golfer. So yeah, let's do it. You let us know, and maybe after the season or whatever.

Yeah. We're in the fall next year. We'll figure out. We'd love to do that. Do it done. Absolutely done. Awesome, guys. No brainer.

All right, Matt. Thanks, man. We appreciate your luck this year. Take it easy on the St. It was blues, but other than that. Oh, they're good, man. Friggard division. Everyone wins every night.

We're on a three-game losing streak right now, and we're just watching teams blow by us because the Aves, St. Louis and Minnesota, they don't lose. It's insane. I've never seen like, Dallas is this possible? These teams win, yeah.

Yeah, like Dallas-Pie Colorado. Everyone's winning. It's driving us crazy. So we've got to get winning again. But thanks, boys. Appreciate it. Yeah, come see a game sometime.

I got you guys anytime. Absolutely, man. Yep. Good luck, bro. We'll be in touch. Thanks, dude. All right. Thanks, man.

Sounds good, fellas. All right. Talk you later.