Fore Play - Dean and Deluca Week 2017 w/ Legendary Caddie Kip Henley

Episode Date: May 23, 2017

The Fore Play boys recap the AT&T Byron Nelson, discuss the possible Fore Play curse and chat it up with long time tour caddie Kip Henley!You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

Hey, 4Play listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcast, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Foreplay is always presented by bars tool sports. It's Riggs and Trent. Tret Daddy. What's up? What's going on? Not much.

Your voice is coming in and out. You're a little squeaky. I'm a little squeaky. Happy to be back. I pretty much lose my voice every weekend. Yeah, I mean, you're going hard. At this point, you're drinking fun. Drinking is more fun than not drinking rigs.

That's true. That's correct. We're going to put that on a shirt, everyone that's wondering. No way. We just don't know the design yet. There's been many theories. One of them is to just screenshot the tweet. I don't love that.

You know what? It just came to my head and this is the first time I've heard about this shirt idea. You know the vote for Pedro shirts from Napoleon Dynamite? I think you just do it in that font. You put it on a fucking shirt. There's been talk of doing it in like the Webster dictionary definition font so that it's like a fact. Yep, I like that too. So anyways.

You and T-shirt got to figure that out. Anyways, big weekend was in Boston. We were up there for Heel Our Heroes, our buddy Captain Kans from Zero Blog 30 Fame. We played a little golf, which we're going to get into. Had a nice six and a half, seven hour drive back of what's supposed to be three and a half hours last night because of traffic. However, the beauty of when I got back, I had a little Blue Apron waiting for me. Got to make myself a nice home-cooked meal. For those that don't know, Blue Apron is the number one fresh ingredient and recipe delivery service in the entire country.

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So we had Byron Nelson Week this week, Trit Daddy. Yep. Boys are down near Dallas. Yeah. Did you want to talk about you playing Brett in Boston? That's true. I did. I wanted to talk about office manager Brett.

He got a little liquid courage on Friday night. We should preface. Brett's a pretty good golfer, yes? Not a bad player. Did he play golf at Northeastern? Do I have that mistaken? So I believe they have like, yeah, like a club golf team. Okay.

That's pretty decent there at Northeastern. I believe he played on that a little bit. Because he's got the Northeastern bag around the office. It's the bag that we took on Times Square. It's the bag we took for Spring Break Boys. It's very, it's an infamous bag at this point. One of the more famous golf bags there is because it's in all. It's just the, Brett's the only person that left his golf bag here at the office forever.

Yeah. So whenever we shoot a video, we grab him like, we need clubs. We're just going to take the swings his clubs out on the concrete out in Times Square. We just kind of fuck with his shit all. But the tradeoff there is you get to your bag in Time Square or Time magazine. Everyone's always like, I didn't know you and Trent played golf at Northeastern. Nope, we didn't. It's office manager, Brett.

So anyways, not a bad golfer. And, you know, we've played a couple rounds together. Usually we've been on the same team. Always have a good time. But I've been playing like shit lately, and Brett knows that. And so he challenged me Friday night. Yeah, this is the thing. So you guys went up to Boston Friday night.

Key gets liquid courage and challenges you guys are going to play Saturday. That's correct? We're going to play Saturday. and we're playing at my home, my former home track. What is that, Granite Links? Granite Links Golf Club up in Quincy Mass, where I have no joke probably played four or five hundred rounds. Right. So he gets drunk, challenged me to a hundred bucks, straight up stroke play, two to one odds.

He gets two to one odds. Okay. Sure, Brett. I had, I think, a seven-shot lead through three holes. Yeah. Absolutely dusted him. I played pretty well. He did not play his greatest.

He was kind of struggling around the greens. So that was fun. Always good to shit kick somebody, especially when there's some cash on the line. Did he know that you were. playing on your home course you probably told him that i didn't tell i mean i didn't he knew but he just wasn't thinking of you didn't tell he he just knows that in his head but you weren't like no if we play tomorrow we're going to be playing on grant length once we made the wager i said to him you know we're playing on my home course i know every nook and cranny and blade

of grass on this thing i've been everywhere he was like shit i forgot about shit and you're just a better golfer than he is yeah and i you know based on the handicapped system and all that i should beat him most almost all the time and i did i dusted him I think I beat him by about 15 or 16 strokes. Okay. So Brett can suck it. Proud of you. Good job.

We also played with Smitty, who might have the most preposterous fundamentals and alignment issues I've ever seen in my entire life. I noticed there were no video evidence of Smitty's swing that came out of the trip. I guess. I'm guessing that he's so far off that it's not, it wasn't even worth putting on social media. Yeah. So he's got this vicious hook, vicious, which is like the worst miss you can have in the world because your ball never stops rolling. he aims maybe 90 yards right on every shot like 90 yards right and then just tries to hook it in there but like you can't control that no so even when he would hit one online that would land near a flag it would bounce and roll like 40 yards left it was chaotic all i see when i envision smitty golfing because i have yet to golf with him yet although we're going to um i just feel like he's mumbling like just get me on a dodgeball court just get me on a dodgeball court i'll show you what's really he was like you should see how far to throw the golf ball ball ball ball and he's like you should see how far to throw the golf ball ball ball and he's like you should see how far to throw the golf ball ball ball ball and he's like he's like he's like he's All right, Smith.

Did he say that? No. Oh, that would have been so Smitty. Like, all right, fuck this. I'm going to throw it the rest of the round and I'm going to beat you guys. But to Smitty's credit, he told us beforehand. He's like, I'm a terrible golfer. Yeah.

I only golf two or three times a year. But I want to go up and have fun with you guys. He was positive spirits all day. We had a couple beers. The views were nice. The weather was nice. We were with the whole crew of the hero's guys. That's the underrated aspect.

If you're like a really bad golfer, like the way it sounds that Smitty is, you have to warn everyone and you have to just have a good attitude. You can't be out there acting like you should be better than you are. And you've got to play efficiently, like quick. And he does. He doesn't hold anybody up. He stands up. He kind of takes one little practice whack.

He aims a million yards right. And then he swings. And whatever happens, he's totally cool with it. So Smitty was great out there, great guy to golf with. We had a good time. Anyways. Yeah. Anything else?

No, I didn't go with you. But I stayed back and I, on Friday night, I got tacos and margaritas with Caleb and Hank. And it was great. You took much heat for not coming up. I did take a lot of heat for going out. But a lot of it was from, like, gas, who just churred. to everybody. Gazz is always giving me shit.

He's, Gazz knows how to peer pressure and push my buttons. He's the person I've gone out with most since I've gotten to New York. And it's not because, well, we are. We're buddies and we're close friends. But he knows right on Fridays when to say, we drink in a night. Yep. He has it down to a science. And every time I say, yep, let's go.

Yeah, there are a couple barstool girls that were looking for you. They were like, oh, I thought Trent was coming up. You didn't tell me that part. I didn't want to hurt you while you're back in New York. You wanted to hurt me live on air? Yep. Exactly. I wanted to do.

All right, well, we might have to talk after a time. I might have to get some names, and we'll talk about this. We'll talk about that offline. Yeah, that sounds good. Anyways, on to the PGA tour, Byer Nelson Week. Billy Horshiel, victorious, down in Dallas. Down in Dallas. Irving, Texas, technically.

A little playoff win. It was kind of a sad finish with our boy Jay Day, who had like 48 feet for Bertie, gave it a really good run. Yeah, Billy Horshaw is your sworn enemy. I do not like Billy Horshawks. tour. So yeah, coming down to the wire, it was Jason Day and Billy Horschell. And I would say 90% of people, at least on social media, we're pulling for Jason Day. Yeah, it was hard not to. We also got to talk about James Hahn, who is hopefully a future recurring guest on the show.

On the 4Play podcast. Yeah, we think he's down the pipeline. He had to hole it on his 70-second hole to get into a playoff about as close as you can possibly come. If you watch the replay and if you watch the tournament, you know what I'm talking about. That's as close as you can get without it going in. Even when it's about five inches away, it looks like it's going dead in the center of the cup. And then it just lips a little. Perfect pace. It looked like a really good putt.

It did. And then it was great too because he did the thing where they had the big screen way to the left of the green. So he hits like, you know, whatever a wedge in there or something that he spun back. And then you could see his eyes look left to the screen because he wanted to actually like watch it roll and gave like, oh my God, I can't believe that didn't go in. So we had a lot of drama down. Another cool part of the coverage. They showed, which I don't know if they've ever done this before. I've never seen it. It was so close that they showed Han's reaction. Obviously, he was, you know, devastated a little bit. Then they showed Faldo and Nance in the booth watching, and they, like, lost their shit, too. It was very cool.

Yeah, so it was a good dramatic finish. You know, Horshaw. What do you want me to say? I don't love the guy. We read a handful of stories on this very show, which you should go subscribe to if you haven't already and download and leave a five-star review on. Thank you. That he's just been kind of a dick to people. It really started at Chambers Bay for me in 2015 when he was a dick to the greens, to the golf course.

As soon as you said that I can. I can just see him doing his little snake wiggle bump motion thing. He even did it this weekend. I think on Saturday where he like threw a club. Oh, yeah. He made a bad bogey and he threw it and it looked like it hit his caddy. He's done that. So I'm just not a huge Billy Horsal fan.

There was some news that came out today. from his wife. Brittany Horshawshel, she tweeted, I'm not going to read the old thing, but just the first part of her tweet is I would like to share why yesterday's win had some extra emotions for her hubby, Billy Horshiel.

He did tear up after he won. She goes on to say that basically the last year she was an alcoholic. She's been in treatment. She's doing well. She's been sober. I believe the year anniversary of her sobriety was like this weekend or something like that.

So obviously that's more serious matter than our like fate our hate for billy horschell let's call a spade a spadey yeah really tough for riggs to shit on billy horschall when this kind of stuff comes out so we're glad she's doing well glad everybody's healthy um it just kind of yeah kind of cuts the legs out from under uh riggs's the rant that i could have gone on and i'm not going to because i'm a nice guy yep shout out to me to give our guy cat father a little credit it's really really pretty much impossible to pick golf winners because i have not heard that name in years because If you look at this, Billy Horshaw went, miscut, miscut, miscut, miscut, wins.

Siwu Kim, the week before at the players' championship, he had gone miscut, miscut, miscut, miscut, win. It's a crazy game, this golf. It's nuts. So you can't predict that shit the fact that our guy, Capfather, RIP, I think, is he still out there? Occasionally, what he does on social media is he shows a lot of support for me, and I think he hates Trent. He does hate me, which is fine. I think I hate him now.

and he's always had the contact with you. So don't give a shit about Capfather. He was hot at the beginning. Well, you're not a gambler either. I'm not a gambler. So I've been, like, kind of riding and dying with Catfathers. Yeah, so I don't give a shit about Catfather. And if he's not producing for our listeners, then I don't give a shit about him.

Fair. All of this Billy Horshawrst stuff has gotten on a couple people's radar. Is there a four-play reverse curse going on type situation? So let's lay out the facts. The facts are that... I don't like... Let's start here. I don't like...

Garcia, and I didn't for a long time, but I do now. Yeah, yeah, you're a piece of shit for that. And so everybody hated Sergio. We hated Sergio. I made it known on this podcast. He goes and finally breaks through at a little tournament called The Masters. Wins the Masters. Then Ian Polter, who we were having the golf podcast boys joyride of our life,

shitting on him while he's losing his card. Turns out he doesn't. I got to tell you, I didn't even think about that part. We were dancing on a guy's grave who statistically, by not, numbers. That's math. That's what stats are. Said that he was losing his PJ tour card. We obviously had a huge party. And then a week later it comes out.

Who figured out, Brian Gay. Brian Gay, by the way, a little teaser. We got Kip Henley, the caddy for a long time for Brian Gay, on later on the podcast, who is electric. Kemp Henley was great, and he made Brian Gay sounds like a good guy, so I can't fault him for anything, except he did find the points discrepancy and got Pulitzer his card back. So, you know, whatever. That's crazy that Polter.

And then at the player's championship, he almost wins the football. fucking thing. Almost wins a damn thing. Ties for a second makes like a million dollars almost. So then now this week, we got Billy fucking Horschel, who I've shit on a million times. I think two weeks ago I told a real fun story about the Arnold Palmer Invitational and made him look like an asshole. Now he wins. Yep. So we're going to try and put this in the right direction. We're going to try and use our powers for good.

Fuck Tiger Woods. Fuck Tiger Woods. There's no way he ever wins again. He's a total asshole. He's a piece of shit scumbag who cheated on his wife. disgusting behavior from him having hookers and weight Perkins wages is piss on him come on man be better than that apparently doesn't tip well just not a great guy so fuck tiger woods we're anti tiger hate the guy couldn't be worse I hope he never recovers I hope he never comes back so great

with a nagging back injury it's awesome it's really great and awesome it's really thank god his body's falling apart yeah it feels good he deserves it um so yeah fuck tiger anyways on a more positive note. We have now got our first interview with a looper. Yeah, we've been wanting to get a caddy on for a while. We've had everybody from every part of golf. We've had players. We've had analysts. We've had this. We've had that. We have not had a caddy and we've wanted one for a long time. We got a great one in Kip Henley. I've been following this guy for a while on Twitter. He's kind of Twitter famous a little bit. He's very funny follow. Seemed like a really good dude. So we had him on. Here is quite a few. We spent 30 or 40 minutes. I think this was our longest interview yet.

Probably our longest interview yet. We didn't want to stop talking. He's got a lot of very interesting insight. Kip Henley. Enjoy. This interview with the legend that is Kip Henley is brought to you by our friends at Shipsticks. Guys, if you aren't already using Shipsix when you travel for your golf trips, you're already starting a couple over.

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Where are you at right now? Actually, I just been to the Home Depot for the warden. She's sitting up there trying to find patio furniture. Just sitting here on the side of the road now. I'll pull over so I don't lose coverage up here in the sticks. You're a Chattanooga. Yeah, you're a Chattanooga guy, right? Yeah.

So, yeah, we kind of mentioned it a little bit, but you've garnered a little bit of a following on Twitter and all that lately. I've been following you for a while now, We've had a lot of different people on. We never had a looper. We always get people being like, you guys got to get the caddy perspective. You got to get the caddy perspective. You guys are finally going to stop beating us caddies down like everybody else.

You're going to break the mode and cave and let a caddy come on and do the show. So you've been a caddy for a while, but you kind of, you know, you started out as a hell of a player over there in Tennessee. Yeah, I didn't. Well, I wouldn't call myself a hell of a player. I mean, in days I was a hellful player, but I never was a hellful player for like much longer than a week or two, you know. You're real streaky out there? Oh, very streaky. I tried with both hands for 100 years to become a player.

And, I mean, I got close a few times and knocked off a few trophies here and there, but just never could pull up that last little bit to get me on tour. That was my life's goal. So I say my golf career is a failure. People laugh when I say that, but it was my only. mission and I failed to get there. But that's the way it works. But now, you know, so I help other guys meet their goals.

Well, yeah, you've been out there looping for a while now. You know, you got real close. What's the difference kind of watching these guys being out there on tour all the time? What's the difference between what they got and what you got? It never was physical. I mean, I could hit it as far as, I mean, when I've played full time, I'd have been in the easy in the top 15 or 20% of the long guys, maybe 10%. I could bust it, even though I was short.

And my short game was crazy good. And, I mean, I wedged it like Brian Gay almost. But I think it was just the mental aspects of the game. I just didn't have enough. I don't know. I'm not going to say meanness because I really enjoyed beating the crap out of people in golf tournaments, but I just didn't have enough. I just didn't have enough of the, I don't give a crap mentality of what everyone

thinks of me. You know, I think I always thought, I worried too much about what everyone thought. And looking back, I think that was the biggest hole in my game. I'll ask God someday and he'll tell me. So eventually, you know, you make the decision, all right, you know, I've gotten so close, but I'm not going to be a tour pro. I want to be a pro caddy. What was that, what was kind of making that call like? Just to the sheer necessity, I had to have food, I mean, for my family, you know, I put me and the wife in financial distress a thousand times trying to play. I mean, at one point I had a swear I walked away from my great club pro job. I spent my entire retirement, which was only like 70 or 80 grand.

And then I'd put us another about 80 grand in credit card debt on top of that. And so, I mean, and all through the years, even if we got a little, if I got three or four thousand ahead of mine, I would send it into tour school every year, even though I was club pro and I would go try a tour school. I'd take a couple weeks vacation out of shop and go get my ass handed to me. Then I'd go back to the pro shop. And I did that for years and years just trying to get out there. But as I kept playing and I kept doing many tours and stuff, my buddies would make it here and there, you know. You know, my friends would make it to the tour like Garrett Willis and other guys.

And they would ask me to caddy here and there as I would fail. And I would go, no, I'm going to be a place. I'm not going to caddy. And then I ended up doing it once or twice just to help a brother out. And then it got to where I didn't have my club pro job anymore. I didn't have any money anymore. And I had to do something. And my little brother, in fact, you know, I came through my little brother.

He was, you know, he was with Woody Austin for 10 years. And he's been with Garrigan's five. And he's had a hell of a run out there, man. He's got cash to boot. So that's kind of how I fell into it. Just out of sheer necessity. People ask me, Kip, how do you become a caddy on the PGA tour? I say fail at everything else in your life.

That's how I did it. Well, dude, it's got to be hard as hell to go play golf out there, you know, with your livelihood on the line when you've got, you put all that financial stress on yourself. How the hell are you going to try to play out there like that? You know, I even had, I even had backers at one point. I raised like 60 grand, one maybe even 70 grand for guys that just believed in me and bought shares in and sent me out there. So, I mean, I had, I had the, I had backing at one point.

And I've never had anything but backing from the boss. You know, the wife, she's always said, man, go do it. You can do that. That's your destiny. Even when I was just killing us financially, she never said Kip, give it up, man. Just give up. She never said it one time. And I had the support.

And at one point I had the cash. You know, I didn't have endless cash. I think that would have helped me too. But I just didn't. I think that tour players, man, they have a way to compartmentalize that immense pressure and put things to side and just play the game. I don't think I could ever do that. I always had the handlebars on it.

And I play pranks around and have nine birdies, and the flag would go up and I'd shoot it straight in the bushes. I think I know the answer to this, but do you have any regrets about keeping trying after putting all that money into it? Or are you glad you had to go through that? You know, they say, you know, the old saying, boys, it's not the destination, it's the journey. I mean, I had a hell of a journey.

You know, we homeschooled our girls in 2000 when they were like 9 and 10, and we played a whole year on the Hooters tour. after I dropped my club pro job. And I walked away from a hell of a club pro job. You know, I wasn't making tons of cash, but I had lots of time. I was playing a section events and swamped them pretty regular in that and supplementing my income. I could give lessons.

But we had that chance to go play in 2000. And my girls, to this day, they're 26 and 27. They still say that's the funnest year of their life. You know, we traveled around in a van and just, I mean, I had all the weekends off because I was jacking all the cuts, so we're going to. every water park in the country and just having a ball and ever beat. It's been a hell of a ride, but it just couldn't get that last little spot. And it stings, but, you know, I got the second best job in the world, boys.

Kip, if you're recruiting, I think you said, bikers to invest in you, you must be fucking lethal at the bar. You must be the most convincing guy at the bar in the whole world. I'm saying you don't speak Chattanooga Nuggan. You don't speak Kiponix. I said backers. I just thought like an idiot. It's not a biker.

That would have been impressive as hell if you got bikers supporting your tour career. I might have done better. I could have been a bigger asshole of people and stuff. Had the backer bikers backing me. So what was the most challenging part of transitioning from a player, you know, a grind in trying to make it as a tour player to a caddy, and you're helping another guy out? It's the same situation.

I mean, it's the same thing that the players, and most players, if they're worth their weight and salt, it's being gone. That was the biggest thing. But actually, giving up, you know, giving up the fight and going, you know, it stung a little bit, you know, on the range where I'd see people that were better at golf than me that would just, I would look at them and I'd go, holy hell, are you saying I can't beat that guy?

Look at this guy's action, how bad it is. Look how bad he pots. I mean, good God, I'd beat this guy's brains in if you came to Tennessee. but yet he's on TV and making millions. That part stung a little bit, but it was more just to being gone from my family, man, and travel. But, you know, besides that, my job is the coolest. I got the greatest office in the world.

And the only guy with a better job, in my opinion, is the guy I hand the clubs too, you know. Yeah, I feel like, you know, if you're going to be a pro caddy and that's your life, and you mentioned the travel, you're away from your family all the time. You got to love golf. You really do. You got to do it.

And you've got to have, you know, the divorce rate on tour and the caddy ranks is. I mean, I don't know what the national average is, but I guarantee you double it on the, on the TGA tour and the caddy rates. Because it's just so, you've got to have a strong woman sitting at home, man, willing to do that and let you go. And, you know, she's alone. She's got to do all the, all the handiwork around home and stuff. And you just come in for a week and you just want to sit there because you've been doing nothing. But go, go, go. It takes a strong, strong woman to let you do this, man.

Luckily, as in July 11th, I'll have 30 years in the barrel. Oh, wow. Congratulations. Yeah, very proud of that. Your wife wrote that thing about a year and a half ago. It seems like you got a good one at home, Kep. Wasn't that the coolest thing that anybody's ever written? I mean, that made USA Today and everything.

I mean, she was a stay-at-home mom for years taking care of the babies, and now she is she never went to college one day and now she's the financial uh what is it i don't know or titled it the mercedes dealer in here and i mean she's just killing it she keeps us above water more than i do now it's awesome does she ever give uh whoever you're cat in for the needle a little bit like hey let's go let's lend some fucking cash here she says it to me oh my god you know i'll get a text i'll come off the course like well double eight to you to cost my man 40 grand and cost me, you know, four or five grand. She'll go, what the hell was that and stuff?

But never to the person because she knows, same as me. You know, I've never, ever gotten pissed at my player, ever. I mean, I spent 10 years with Brian Gay, and I got mad at him twice and 10 years. And one time it's because he wouldn't take his socks and shoes off and get in the water and whack a ball out that I knew he could hit down the fairway because he did want to get dirty. He's a pretty clean guy. And the other time was not shooting at a pin. it was back right with a big huge wind out of the right.

The pin was sitting next to the hazard. But at that point, we were still in the game. It was like our 16th hole in Mexico. And it was a back-right pin. And I said, Beech you got to shoot at this pin. He goes, that would be the dumbest thing I've ever tried my life. He goes, it's like 40-mile-an-hour win out of the right. The pin's on the right.

I'd have to send it 30 yards out in the hazard. And he's kind of protecting his money. And I thought the door was still open for us to win. And, I mean, that's the only two times we ever battled. And they've won about the socks coming off. That was just more for fun. But I really did get pissed at him that one. But he is just such a smart player.

For me to argue course management decisions with Brian Gay, that would be like V-telling, I don't know, Robert Redford, how to act. So after something like that, you're kind of getting into it. He doesn't do what you want? Do you kind of, like, snub them out there? You're just real quiet, like an old man. married couple? No, after he hit the shot to the middle of the green and two putting got out there, and we made a nice check, you know, and if I were to talk to him into sending it out over the

hazard and letting the wind blow it back in and he hit it close and missed it or said, whatever, he could have had a hundred on the hole. But, you know, after he hit the shot in the middle of the green, I picked the bag up and I actually pointed to us, if you ever do that to me again, I'll quit you. You know, I was pissed because I was still trying to win. I was trying to win the golf tournament. But if you spent 10 years with a guy on the golf course, out there chasing his dream with him and stuff. And you only get upset at him twice. You've got a hell of a guy you're working for because it's easy to get pissed at each other out there

because there's so much pressure and so much decision making to do. And, you know, I should have done this. I should have listened or I shouldn't listen. If the people knew at home the battles that we go through out there from time to time, it would make golf way more interesting. You wouldn't be sleeping watching the golf coverage. So we've talked about, you know, your time of Brian Gay. quite a bit already. We're going to get into it a little bit more. I think a lot of our listeners

are really interested into the whole process of, you know, a caddy and a player hooking up far too often. All we hear about is the separation, the firing. We hear even about Lydia Coe now who's been through like a million caddies. She's like 15. How did you get, you know, hooked up with Brian? Gay, how does that whole process work out? That Lydia Coe, she's changing caddies lock underwear. Man, she must be a tough one. Oh, she's got to be. Brian Gay. I was catting for Garrett Willis as a favor years ago at Reno, and we played a practice round with a guy named Brian Gay.

But you know what? I knew Brian Gay. I knew his college career because where I was the club pro, the SEC championship came to that golf course when I was a club pro 100 years ago and a little dude named Brian Gay with his hair sticking out over his visor and rocking sunglasses. He won the SEC there. So I knew of him he didn't know of me. And get this.

Even on top of that, a few years later, you know, I qualified through the section, the fat guy way into a tour event. I made it into the Memphis tournament. And I played not like six or seven times. But the very first time I ever got, I played in it, I got paired with a guy. It might have been my second time play. But I got paired with a guy named Brian Gay and Doug Dunnicki, two guys named Doug Dunnick and Brian Gay. And so fast forward, you know, seven or eight, six, eight years later, I'm Caddy for Garrett. Wilson we get paired with Brian in the practice round.

I kind of know him. He doesn't know me and we talk. Well, you know, he knows of me a little bit. So I said, hey, BG, did you know I played with you in Memphis? He goes, nope, me and you never played together. I go, you're crazy. I wouldn't forget. So that's how I met Brian Gaye, and his caddy had some trouble at the time and was going

on one time away. I was working for Eric Axley, a Tennessee boy. I just committed to a caddy. I just finally said, I give them caddy. And I'd worked like seven or eight events for Eric. Axley who got his tour card and we were doing well we were trending up and then Brian Gay's bag came open and Brian had already secured his card for the following year and I told Axe sorry bud or this might make you sad it probably make you happy but I'm

moving on I'm going to Brian Gay's cars locked up for next year and so I jumped ship and axe got kind of chafed up at me but chafed up enough to where the following week was San Antonio after I quit Axe and go to Brian Gay Brian Gaye's not playing the course doesn't suit him so I'm sitting at home and guess who wins first place in the dagum San Antonio oh you're your old boy yeah my and at that time I'd only caddy on tour for like eight eight tournaments I mean I was I was so broke I couldn't pay attention I had no money and then watch Ax win like 750,000 that fall in week my wife wanted to kill me as it turned out it was a hell of a move

BG's done plenty of good since, and I've had some great rhymes with BG. Yeah. Have I told any Brian Gay stories yet? That's what we got you here for. Plenty of BG stories. So you guys, you know, you had some wins. What was the biggest moment, biggest single shot, most nervous you were on the bag for BG? Holy cow, I've never thought about it.

I guess, you know, once we made in the playoff at the Bob Hope, his last. win. We, you know, we were on the Palmer course in the tournament. The course were, that damn Duvall shot 59 and won that course. And we ended up in a playoff with Lingmurth and Charles Howell III, who's one of my favorite guys on the PJ Tour. We ended up in a playoff of that. And the first playoff hole is 18. It's a little dog that, you know, the one over the water. And it was a good win so Brian Gay could get there every day. So that wasn't that big a deal. So lemurs hit it out in the lake and us and Charlie both made birdie.

And then I was, when we were going down 18, I said, if we don't, I talked to like slug or wide or whoever it was the rules of fish and I go, where are we going next if this hole is pushed? And they go straight over to one T. And I went, oh, crap, that's no good. Brian Gagel never made it see there without hitting the water at least once during the tournament. And so, you know, he's got a million 80 grand on the line. and we tie 18, so me and Charlie go over the number one.

There's no left rough. It's just Aqua all the way down on the left side. And I'm standing on, that's the most nervous I've ever been. And BG hit a bullet right down the right center with a tiny draw, and it was hollow-knives. And he hit a wedge like eight feet against Charlie. Charlie missed a green, and BG buried the birdie putt for me to get another flag. That was a cool time.

That was the most nervous. I've ever been sitting there watching one shot because I knew he was thinking in the back of his mind. I've hit it in that lake like every other time I play this hole. So let's compare that to times when, you know, he's won by 10 strokes. He's won by five strokes before. What is it on those weeks? Do you know you get a sense those types of weeks from whether it's the range,

practice rounds, whatever, like nobody can beat him this week? You know, I've seen him on top. You know, he won his first tournament was Mexico, and he won that by three shots. can y'all hear that beeping the wife is driving she's trying to get through on this i'm going to kill her i don't think we can hear anything on our end good so our first win was mexico and he won that by three shots and then our next win was hilton head and going into the week it was nothing special you know i knew the course was beautiful for bg the golf course fits in perfect it fits everybody it's the best golf course on

the pj tour in my opinion harbortown but After about Thursday or Friday, I mean, it was on. The boy was playing so good, and he played Saturday. It was so good. And we were walking to the tea Sunday morning, Sunday afternoon with the tea time, and we're playing, whoever. And so I stopped him. And I very seldom ever give him pep talks.

And I said, BG, stop. We're walking to the tea from the pride strain. And I said, stop, look me in the eye. And he said, what? Looked at me like, you're weird. And I go, dude, if you play with just pure, you see your shot and you just swing with, just commit 100% to all 18 o's a day, we're going to win this thing by eight or 10 shots. Promise. Just commit to every shot.

You're playing too damn good. And he won by 10 shots. You know, he went out birdie, eagle like birdie. So we went from three ahead to seven ahead, and he just kept the pedal mashed down the whole time. And I did until the very end when you just can't kill yourself. coming in but I made play conservative off 16 and 18 and he was laughing at me but he listened to me and he got it done you got to lock up that paycheck yeah no doubt I mean at the time we had eight or nine shot lead and if you're caddian I mean you just never

ever even if I don't care who these guys are if they say they're comfortable once the guy hit it on the green I'm not comfortable until that scorecard sign they walk out I mean I'm I'm thinking about, well, he could hit his foot here, he could drop his coin and move his ball, he could, he could have a zillion ways to screw it up. You know, I'm, I'm a hundred, I don't let the guard down until he walks out of that scoring tent, you know, that's the way I do it. So to get into a little bit more general caddy type stuff, what's the process like arrival on site?

Let's say, you know, you're going to a stop that maybe you've been to once or twice before, you know, when do you kind of get in? Are you going there before your guy? Are you kind of walking the course, studying the course, changes? What's that whole process like? Well, we'll know in advance that there's changes involved on the golf course, you know. And if we've been there, I'm not getting in there early, and I'm not walking around the golf course. I just think that's busy work.

You know, I've been, you know, I know Harbor Town like the back of my hand. I know Memphis is like the back of my hand. I know, I mean, every course we go to. Now, I don't know the golf course if it's any way possible for me to beat my guy in and I'm beating him in there. and I'm going to go out and walk around the golf course. But there's a lot of caddies that go and walk off the greens and shoot the yard. I mean, we have a yardage boat, boys, that has it within a yard of everything you need to know. I mean, you could play a PGA tour course blind, and it might bite you once or twice the first time you play it.

But if I don't know the golf course at all, I'm going to walk out and I'm going to walk the greens. Mostly, you know, I'm going to pay attention to the dog legs and runouts. But that's all in the book. But I'm going to walk around the green. and see where you just don't screw up. And, you know, and we're going to shoot away from those spots. But actually, preparation, I don't know if you just call me lazy or sensible or what, but there's probably other caddies that the real golf nerds would rather speak to on course preparation

because I'm not that guy. I was going to say it sounds like those other caddies are doing it just to make it look like they're doing actual work. Yeah, and they want everybody to see them. I think it's crap. 150 yards here in Chattanooga will play like 150 yards at Hilton Head. You know, that's the way I look at. If a guy can hit up 8 or 150 yards here, he's going to be able to hit it there. Now, we go sometimes where elevations involved,

and we have to do a lot more math. But, you know, I put out a tweet long ago when we were at Reno, and the casual golf at home thinks he could carry on the PJ tour. If he went to Reno, he wouldn't last a half a hole. Because of the elevation. Right. It's just you got to know that shit. Oh, my God.

It's so confusing. I mean, say for instance, you're on 15 or number six at Reno when it's downhill and you're like 160 there. So it's played the ball flies 10% further there. So that's like 16 yards less at home, you know, you could hit the ball. So I mean, there's so much math involved. I don't kill my wife. The warden is killing me, boy. Sorry.

Let her suffer. more minute. So it feels like you got to bring the calculator out there. Yeah, as you say, yeah, luckily it's the wife and not the mistress. Maybe she thinks I got something going on with the patio lawn furniture chick at Home Depot or something, I guess. I don't know what she thinks I'm doing. That's where I've been.

What's the nightlife with the caddy crew like on tour? Boys, in the old days and kind of when I got out there about 11 years ago, it was a lot more intense. and there's still a few of the hangar owners, and you'll see occasionally the guy that missed the cut, the caddy goes crazy. But there's so much cash involved now, boys, it's more of a dagum. I mean, these young guys coming out,

they don't do anything. They're in the gym. They're eating, like, gurnola bars and crap like that. I'm still hang out, but, I mean, I'm old. I've got to shut her down, or I can't make it all 18 the next day. So I don't, I've had my share of a stay out late, but only on missed cuts.

or 2 o'clock tea times or something like that, then I'm going to hang out for a little bit. But there's too much money now. The guys just don't do it anymore, boys. The caddy stores are dying fast. Trust me. There's CPAs and smart guys out there, caddy, and now it's crazy because the money can be so good.

But saying that, there's still, it is a lot of that is a shame. But the money's so good now, guys are just too smart about it. So what do you think your most important job is out there inside the ropes? You know, past, and it's probably ties all back into the same thing, guys. You know, a little bit of course management, you know, in rules and things like that and reading greens. But easily the most important thing a caddy is going to do is the psychology of the game. And he has to learn. even the old you know the old guys that hung around forever on the tour of caddy i guarantee you they

could run their own psychology couch uh thing they could they could be psychologists and get paid for it no one would ever know because they understand human nature you have to understand what makes the guy tech how do you get in his head and build confidence how do you get in his head without letting him know you're trying to get in his head you know it's it is an absolute mental jousting out there with your guy and you have to be good at it you got to be good at it you You've got to know when to talk, when to shut up, and when you open your mouth, what to say. And if he's a tough guy and he's looking for an out to a miss shot or a bad day and you say the wrong thing, you're a dead man. So it's easily the psychology of the game.

And, you know, being a former, you know, not a tour player, but a former player, you know, and played in one of my share tournaments, I kind of feel like I have a good idea what a guy needs to hear when his hands are sweating, his heart's pounding through his dad gum ash wire shirt. So I think I can help him on the stuff like that. Yeah, how much, you know, how important is it or how much do you feel like a good caddy is really good buddies, good friends, good pals with his guy? You know, the perfect scenario, if you got a player and, you know, you see these relationships, guys. You see like

James Edmondson and and badgummet, Ryan Palmer. You see their relationship and you see guys like Bones and Mickelson. And I mean, these guys are in it together. And you see, and that's the most beautiful thing you've ever seen.

And MBG had that for years and years. We were in it together, you know. But if a guy will bring you in and let you be a part of the team, you know, there is so special out there. But you still have the other guys you have a handful of really successful

guys that can't stand caddies they have you there because the tour makes them have you there they would carry the bagger up the cart if they could but they have to have you and they don't want any information they don't want any interaction and they're kind of mean to their guy that part those caddies

that sucks that part but like I said if you have a guy to bring you in and you two are trying to chase the thing down together it's a beautiful thing when you get it done. Yeah, I was going to say, if you're out there alone and you don't want a guy on your side, your boy holding your clubs, you sound like you've got a big old dump in your pants. That's right.

It's like caddies are like underwear. When something goes wrong, you change them, man. So let's talk a little bit about this year. We know we know you got the wife calling. We don't want to keep you too long. This year, you're on the bag a little bit for VJ. VJ is obviously a legend. kind of what was that transition like, you know, getting on the bag for such a big name like Vege?

So incredible. I mean, parts of it were very, very incredible. I mean, just like you would think when you're carrying for a Hall of Famer and got this one more tournament than Lee Trevino on the PJ Tour. I mean, this guy is the badass to the bone. Now, I knew when I signed on a couple of things. I knew that his practice schedule was going to be rigorous. I knew I was going to be out there on the ride. I had to have a lot of fun screen.

and I knew he was a tough guy going into it. I knew he didn't suffer a fool. I knew that he didn't let, you know, people don't get to get in the VJ circle unless you get lucky. You're not getting in the circle unless you have a gift of gab or something. But he's really, you know, he's hasn't let he's been nailed a bunch of times by the press and he's been nailed by, you know, players and caddy. So he really keeps his circle tight. And if you get in that, it's kind of a cool thing.

but the one thing that me and Vijay just didn't and it kind of made me say you know i ended up quitting vj after tpc and i told him i said vj man i love you i love working for it's incredible but i'm just not tough enough to be your guy you know because he i mean besides he's demanding you know you'll take a lot of swings at you during the day and i get my feelings hurt you know if it's in good nature and it's you know and it's not personal and it's fine i can take it's part of what caddies do, but I don't know. He was just kind of hard on me, and I made good money, and I learned a lot, and I don't think he hates my guts.

I'm not sure, but I think we're still boys, and, you know, maybe I'll work for him again someday, but, you know, even saying that, you know, I had Vijay, and he's going to be an incredible, he's going to make somebody a pot full of cash, but I still, guys, I got, like maybe six, seven, ten years, max of great caddy and left, I want a young stud to ready to win every golf tournament and make the rider cups and win majors, I want to be a part of that so bad. That's not anywhere on my resume. You know, I've been a successful tour caddy, but I have no majors. I have no rider cups, have no presence cup. That's what I want. So that was going to be my next question is what's, you know, how much of, because you're, you know,

you're in between right now, how much of the process of trying to figure out who you want to go loop for is, you know, do you ever consider, I'm going to take a gamble on one of these real young guys and try to get in with a stud who's just starting out. Yeah, I think about it all the time, and you'll have occasional agents like Kip, if you'll go down to the web dot and bring this guy up, you're going to be a beggilion there someday. But it's such a risk that you do, and you're just going to be eating peanut butter sandwiches for a year if you do that, to go down there and come up with a guy. Now, obviously, I'd like for him to come off that tour and rent the guy he had

and then take me immediately on the PJ tour. That's the perfect scenario. But that ain't very good for the caddy there, but I would never cut the legs out from a guy that's coming off the mini tour. I mean, the web tour like that. But most of those guys won't, you know, they bounce around caddies anyway out there because it's so financially stressful to have your own guy paying so much every week. They don't make enough cash. They're usually looking for one of the guys. But you say pick, you know, it's not so much that.

You know, I quit BJ, what, seven, eight days ago now? And all I'm doing boys staring at the phone. My phone hadn't rained yet. It's not like I got my choice. It's going to have to be, you know, my name is not established as one of the really, you know, if I would have caddied for Vijay in his day when he won all the majors, my phone would be ringing off the hook now. Or if I had caddied for Mickelson or Tiger and you phone would ring on it. But I just don't have that reputation that some of the caddies have.

You know, I get called, and I've turned down one or two smaller bags since then. But, I mean, I could have gone to the LPGA and I've had a couple little little. calls but I haven't had a call that got me fired up yet so I'm sitting waiting you just hold out for Lydia Co she'll sooner or later she's going to get to you guys too all of us going to have a shot to

caddy for that chick how much do you think it's luck plays in you know some of these caddies some of these guys just getting on the bag for the right guy right time brilliant question I've always put that analogy out there if you're a caddy

and you're an out-of-work caddy and your buddy's an out-of-work caddy and you guys are working the lot or what are you called working the lot where you show up the PJ tour and just kind of wave it guys when they get the clubs out and just make sure they know,

hey, there's Skip standing there without a bag, you know. If you're doing that, and say you're standing on the putting green and a guy makes it through Monday qualifying and he walks up, he's had an idiot carrying for him at the Monday qualifying and so he comes out looking,

and you're standing on this side of the putting green and your buddy's standing on that side and that guy got out of the parking lot on that guy I walked up to the thing, go, hey, are you a dirt caddy? Yeah, okay, boys. You might stumble onto a $10 million a year bag. You never, I mean, because I was staying on the wrong side of the putting thing. It's a lot of pot luck.

To a point, you know, once the guys are established, then you'll get phone calls, you know, and I'll probably end up getting the phone call soon. But it can be pot luck like that. Guys have stumbled onto that, and you see a guy who, the caddy for a year. I know two or three, I won't say names that just had, you know, that were caddy for years, no one won them. They didn't have a reputation as being one of the best caddies. And they went down to the web.com for one or two events and got a guy and brought them up and won.

You know, and then they ended up being considered one of the great caddies when they really don't know the difference from the ass and a holing ground. But they wound up with a great guy. And so people immediately think they're a great caddy when they're just not. But there's a, you know, there's a guy, I think it's a derail we call him. And he came, he used to bug me on Twitter all the time. Kip, I want to be a tour caddy. How do I do it? I said, get in line or whatever.

You know, everybody's walking on. And he said, what do I do? And he said, what do I do? And he said, really derailed. The best thing for you to do is, it's not a great, I said, go to the web tour, work the parking lot, get a guy, find a guy, bounce around, find a stud, and come up with him. Well, he came up. He did exactly that. He came up with McKenzie Hughes.

and they've already gnaught the win this year. So that guy is a huge success story. I'm not taking credit for it because he's a hardworking dude, but just he did exactly what I don't do. I think he deserved a little credit. Yeah, he can take a little credit there, Kip.

I told him how to do it, and he did it. Now he's smashing my head in it. I love it. He's a good day, too. Oh, this quick, rare break in the Kip Henley interview is brought to you by our friends at Chef's Cut. Chef's Cut, Real Jerky is phenomenal. This is even part of the ad-reed script right here.

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annoying inside the ropes really are camera clicks because we see tiger like lose his mind about it all the time uh pretty annoying even boys when you go to the masters you're allowed you know they let them i think they let them take pictures in the practice rounds of august it don't they yeah it's just yeah not with your phone but you can bring in like a camera uh and take pictures And you're even there, it's disconcerning because it happens when it's quiet. You just not, you know, if there's a tent full of drunk people up there and it's constant chatter, you can deal with it unless some assho goes, oh, or something, or streams out and you back swing or something, they drop.

But the camera is just, it'll really throw you off because it clicks on the top or clicks somewhere and you're just not expecting it. I'm not one of these guys. I see a lot of these big caddies. They'll just tell everybody, put the phone down as you walk up on the teeth. Usually people are smart enough, and I see them taking pictures. Sometimes they're taking video. I don't give a crap.

You know how to turn your phone on, and I'll make sure it doesn't ring. I'm not telling anybody to put their phone down unless they're being obnoxious or something. Because if you look around now, everybody's got their cell phone out now at tour events. It's crazy. Yeah, it's a lot different. It's not some idiot. Right. All right.

Last thing, we're going to have our guy, Trent's going to run through a little rapid fire, just a handful of quick questions. Oh, my God. This is when I can really step on my penis on these things. Yes, that's the expectation. That's exactly what we're looking for. This first question actually works nicely with what we were just talking about. What's the meanest thing you've ever said to a person in the gallery? Would you guys shut up first place is a million dollars?

I actually said that in front of like three drunk guys. that in front of Brian Gay, we were in the, he hit it off in the bushes. And we had to park the garrant and his three drunk guys stand behind in their chat. I go, hey, everybody stands still and please be quiet. And, I mean, we're up there at this time. We're not in first place, but we're chasing the leaders down. And that was one of the beauties of having Brian Gay. I said, would y'all be quiet?

And they kept talking. I said, would y'all shut up? First place was a million dollars. I got a scream out. It's true. I didn't say honesty is the best. policy in that situation, I think. Rod said, you're such an idiot.

He let me get away with it. That's the meanest thing. I'm usually not too mean to the fan. I like that. The next one, have you ever come close to shitting your pants in the middle of a round? Get this, boys. I have total anal control. I'll wear knock on polyester, knock on wood or something.

I'll wear white shorts 95% of the time. I don't have any backup shorts. I don't have any backup rain pants. So you know. That is risky. That is so risky. and I'll have occasional drink at night, so it's very risky, but I have total butt control out there, boys.

It's nice. It's one of my qualities that is all my own. You worked me right into my next one. Boxers, briefs, or do you free ball when you're out there caddying? There's no free ball for me. I get chafed up. Fat guys get chafed up, man, I got to have. I got to have.

I'm not lubed up, but I'm like a little caddy secret. We wear unscended deodorant. down there around our tank and stuff and it keeps it'll but then after that box or breeze you can't have skin touching skin if you're fat and soft like you got to have something because chafing is the worst fucking thing in the world oh i mean i in the old days before i learned about the sure deodorant down there around you stuff i can remember getting out you get out of the you know you turn into pure salt by the time you get to your hotel room and you get off the elevator and you look down the hallway and you're at the end you go i don't think i can get down there

And he walked down like John Wayne walking down the hallway. I like that. What's your favorite alcoholic beverage after a round? It's captain and diet. I should have a daggun. They should pay me. I drink so much of it. We had a couple captains this weekend, actually.

Captain & Co. Good stuff. Y'all are girly men like me then. Oh, yeah. I don't hide that at all. I drink whatever is delicious. All right. And then my last one here.

Do you have any pre-round superstitions? that you stick to you have to do before any round. Yeah, I got to, if I, yeah, and it goes back to the question one. If I, if I poop after I get out of shower, my day is ruined. I can't do it. So, I mean, I'll get up three hours before my teeth. I don't give a crap. If we're 10 off at 7.0.10, I'm getting up at 4010 because I'm drinking a Diet Coke

and I'm working up a bathroom trip before I get the shower. That's my only thing. So that's how I wear the white shorts. If you see me in the morning, early tea time, look me and I know I've already pooped at least warm. And I've pooped before I got the shower. Are you a coffee guy at all? Because I feel like that would really help speed up the process. I'm not a big coffee fan, but I think that would do.

And it's probably on good to it because all the health guys that are out there on tour, they tell me that Diet Coke's are killing me, and they're bad for you. But I tell them, I say I've started drinking in 83. I figure I've drunk somewhere about 70,000 Diet Coke. I've never been to the hospital overnight. I've never had surgery. I've never had a broken bone. The only time I go to the doctors is if I'm bleeding and I'm cut.

So no. I should do coffee because I think the Diet Coke's making me fat. Fat people drink Diet Coke, getting people drink fat Coke. You can figure it out. All right, Kemp. Well, I think that's all we got. We know the wife's kind of looking for a little call, looking for an update. She's absolutely the warden's going to kill me after this.

We kept you a little longer. than we said, but we couldn't help it. Dude, I can stay another hour and a half. Call me when you run out of smart, cool people. I'll talk to you. Well, you will definitely be a recurring guest. We really appreciate you taking the time. And anybody out there that's looking for a looper,

Kip Henley's the man, give him a call. Call me, boys. All right, man. Thanks a lot. We really appreciate it. Thanks, Kip. Hey, it's an honor being on with you, boys. I keep up with y'all stuff.

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thought that oh wow they're all really cool. There was the part of the interview at the end where he's like, I could talk to you guys for another hour and a half and part of me wanted to be like, let's just do it. Okay, let's put out of three-hour podcasts. Actually what we could have done is just stopped recording him and like, all right, Kip, you're still on, let's keep doing it. But I think if we had gone for another hour and a half, his

wife would have literally killed him. That was so we had this plan where we were going to go extra long because we knew he was interesting. Yeah. And we knew Caddy's going to have a different perspective than we ever had before. But the wife thing, I got nervous. I did too, because it happened a couple of times. The warden.

I know. And we had just got done talking about how awesome his wife was and how much he, like, respects her and loves her. He's like, I'm going to kill her. She's going to kill me. So we're like, I don't want to get Kip in trouble with his wife. But then he's super interesting. So we had to keep him on for as long as we could.

But I'm thinking he'll be back. That's not the last you've heard of Kip Henley on this podcast. One of my sneaky favorite parts was that he exclusively referred to Brian Gay as Brian Gay. Brian Gay said his full name every time I like that He's like well then Brian Gay had the wedge in this spot And then he looked over at me and Brian Gay said this

He just really gives him the full name dream I also like picturing him he was he said he was just at Home Depot And he just pulled off to the side of the road to do a quick interview Didn't want to what he didn't want the service to go out Yeah that's such a Chattanooga Tennessee guy move To pull over on the side of the road I have a question for you yep is it Chattanooga or Chattanooga Probably Chattanooga

Okay I think he said Chattanooga Did he? Dude what do I say? You say Chattanooga. Okay. Interesting. I don't know. I think Chattanooga sounds cooler. I think Chattanooga, well, this is because we pronounce it different ways.

I think Shattanooga sounds like cooler and more mysterious. So, okay. Interesting. So we're, we say and we think the opposite of what each one of us does. Correct. Interesting. That's weird. Anyways, on to the next segment from the gallery.

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Boom 15 to get the promo code. On to From the Gallery. We got an interesting one this week. Yep. Yep. I like this one a lot, actually. So it's a little bit of a... It's a little bit of which would you rather, which one's better. This guy says, my dad and grandfather were both scratch golfers in their prime RIP to the Glory Days. My grandfather has had eight holes and ones in his life.

Hole and ones? Holes and ones? I think it's holes in ones. I think you pluralize the first word. Okay. But I don't know that for a fact. I might have just made that up. My dad has none.

However, he has a double eagle, aka Albatross and Albatross. A lot of grammatical discussion going on here. Hold out from 240 yards when he was 14 years old. Boys, which one is more impressive? He goes on to say, obviously the double eagle is so much more rare, but eight is a shit ton.

Is there a point where the number of hole in ones, holes in ones, passes the double eagle on the impressiveness scale? Trent? Okay. I have my answer, and it has nothing to do with which one is more rare or which one you have more of. My answer, it's hole in ones. And the reason is it is because it translates better when you're telling the story to people who aren't golf people. So if you tell someone I got eight hole in ones, holes in ones, whatever that is, they're going to know what that means and they're going to be extremely impressed. If you tell someone I got an albatross, you are going to have to explain that to them. And once you get done explaining, maybe they'll be like, yeah, that's pretty cool.

But I like the shorter version of being like, I got eight holes and ones. So that's cooler to me. Yeah, it's essentially saying that non-golf people are like they almost might say, oh, you play a lot of golf. Do you have a hole in one? That's like the first question out of people's mouth. 100% of the time. People ask me that all the time. Like, people that are, oh, Riggs, you do the golf podcast stuff, right?

Do you have a hole in one? Like, I don't know why the fuck people think about that all the time. But that's the first thing across their minds. It almost becomes then, it's almost simply. a question of would you rather have a hole in one, not even eight, just a hole in one. I would rather have one hold one than an albatross. The only reason I would say albatross is because the word albatross is awesome. It's so good.

It's almost like when we got in a higher degree of trouble with our boss for boondoggling because he just loves the word boondoggle. It's true. I'm almost, I almost am inclined. I don't think I'm quite there yet to prefer the double eagle because you can just call it an albatross, and that's such a sweet word. Let me ask you this. It is a sweet word. That's true. I mean, the boondoggle correlation is spot on.

You're even with golf people. If we turned it around instead of non-golf people, are they more impressed by an albatross on a hole-in-one? Non-golf people or golf people? Golf people. I still think hole-in-one wins. I think there's technically a little bit more impressed because they know it's way more rare,

but I don't think they necessarily care as much. I think they would all be in the same boat. We'd rather have a hole-in-one. Yeah, because it's just easier to talk about. How close have you gotten to a hole-in-one? Can I ask that? Not very, because I'm not a great iron player. Yeah. Part three's are tough.

I just, my iron play stinks. Have you ever been with someone when they got a hole in one? No. No. But I've been on the course and seen, we were teeing off on like a hole, a couple holes over, and we like heard and saw the reaction of a guy get a hole in one. Okay, that's close enough. Close enough.

But no, I've never, I've never seen one. I have never seen one either. I will say this. My buddy Dane got one. Shout out to Dane. He listened to the podcast. And he said, or no, he invited me to go golf. and this was a couple years ago,

and I was too hungover or something like that, and he got one that round, so I missed out on seeing one. I felt really bad. They said it was an awesome celebration while I was on my couch. How about this? I have seen an albatross. Get out.

Yeah. See? In my group. Okay, so that kind of brings the question, like, would you rather see an albatross or would you rather see a hole in one? And the answer... I would probably rather...

Well, no, because the person is just so excited for a whole and one. Well, and also, there's a thing connected with the hole in one where, like, an albatrosser, everybody's like, That was awesome. That's, like, incredibly rare. Hole in one, hey, you know what that is. It's great.

And there's going to be drinks, a lot of drinks afterwards. Yeah. So my buddy, we were playing in a, it was a, like a four-man event, but it wasn't scramble. It was like, it was best ball. He'd play your own ball, whatever. And he, it was like a member, one day member member, and he, on a par five that's like crazy, it's got this quirky, like, speed slot that's only like six yards wide that

you can hit, hit it way down the speed slot. He only had, like, one seven. 70 M, but it was a little downhill, so he had like an eight iron. And you could only see the top half of the flag. So he hit it, like, landed right behind the pin, but then it kind of disappears because like you can't see that bottom half of the pole. Yeah. We're like, that looks really good.

The great shot, man. So we drive up and there's no ball near the hole. And we're like, hmm, walk closer. You can see a ballmark like four or five feet behind the hole. Oh, yeah. We're like, that's got to be it. He checks it. Sure enough it's in the hole.

So we did kind of get robbed of the celebration. Oh, yeah, you did. But it was still sweet. So it's crazy that I've seen one of those and not a hole in one. That is crazy. So I think the bottom line is the albatross just doesn't, it doesn't have as much cultural significance. Yeah, even though it's more rare. Exactly.

So that's tough. That's tough for. And for this guy to have eight hole in ones. Get out of here, dude. That blows an albatross out of the water, I guess. Get out of here. How significant do you think the diminishing returns are on your excitement level on each hole in one? Like is the eighth one, you're like, whatever.

Maybe for the person who's hitting it, there is. Although I want to say an even note to that. But I would imagine it's a different collection of people each time that you do it. And they're jacked up? And they're jacked up. So you probably ride that wave a little bit. Okay. Yeah, because I know a couple guys at the club that I used to play at that have like a handful.

It's like every fucking, like every couple months, I feel like he's posting a picture on Facebook. Oh, another hole in one. I'm like, all right, dude. Let me ask you this. That's really a hole-in-one conversation. My dad got a hole-in-one on a simulator. What do you think about that? Swear to God.

No, it doesn't count. Yeah, see, we don't, yeah. But I would tell people that I got a whole on a simulator. I just wouldn't say I have a long one. It was funny. It was at the local course where we play all the time back in Cedar Rapids. And it happened on the simulator. And you're right, it's not the same as a real hole in one,

but they do have a plaque on the wall. They put your name up there and they're like, you got a hole in one. Let me ask you this. Okay. I think all the time, because it doesn't happen much, but I used to play quite a bit by myself. I would just go out after work or something play nine or 18 holes, my biggest fear would be getting a hole in one by myself.

Yep. Would you tell anybody if you got one? Go ahead, Sunshine. I don't think you can tell anybody. I feel like it's worthless. Just like you have no proof. I'll tell you this. Yeah, because then they might just think that you're like,

my mom's friend got a hole in one by herself. And she is hesitant every time she tells the story because she knows what we're going to say. Yeah. I wouldn't even tell anybody. And then maybe on my death bet, I'd grab my brother and be like, come here, Kyle. By the way, you know, 2015, it was a Tuesday. It's a whole one of it. It's tough.

It's almost one of those things where you have to be like, you have to tell people before. Like, you're not going to believe this. I knew you're going to shit on me, but I played by myself and I got a hold one. Yeah. I think I trust my friends enough where I would be like, all right, I believe you. It just sucks. I, on part three is when you play alone, I almost want to like shank it on purpose. No, when I hit a good one, I'm like, please don't go in.

Because I don't want this, like, it's an eternal dilemma that you have to have. No doubt about it. No doubt about it. I think, yeah, you got to save those good shots for when you're out with a group. So that's talking hole-on-ones versus albatrosses. This week, we've got the Dean and DeLuca at Colonial. Colonial is kind of a classic pinner for a long time. We posted on Foreplay today the unreal video of Phil Mickelson when he canned his put on the 72nd hole to win at Colonial, and that guy heroically cannonballed immediately into the pot. One of the best videos you'll ever see. Just that guy was so jacked up. And just the pill makes it right when he makes it.

The guy jumps in, it couldn't have been a better video. I want to, in my head, I want to think he probably pre-planned it, but in my head I want to think that he just got so caught up in the moment that he didn't know what he was going to do, so he just jumped in the water. It almost, it comes, obviously he pre-planet, but it comes off close enough to where you're like, maybe he didn't. It's all like bang, bang, bang. Yeah.

So that was a, that's one of my favorite moments from the attorney. We do have Jordan Speeth, who is the defending champ to keep a little bit of a trend going. He has gone miscut, miss cut, miss cut. Do you think he's up? It's his turn to win now? You could say he's due. He could say he's due. He loves Texas.

He's a Texas guy. We posted as well, a picture on Insta today of him doing the hookum with the jacket. I'm looking out of it right now. Gave him the old hookum. That's a little, you know. I love that jacket, if we're being honest. Yeah, we had kind of the talk after the RBC heritage about Jack because they do the same type of jacket right after the Masters. Yeah.

Are we enough removed now or we're pro jacket? Well, I remember if I remember correctly on that podcast, I contradict myself in like a two-minute. You started anti-jacket? By the end of it, you were pro-jacket. And I hold that to this day. I'm still on that side of it because I think the more you, I like clothing being given out as an award, as a trophy. Just in general? Yeah, just in general.

Like, even for non-golf stuff, like for drinking competitions or any sort of competition where they're at the end you get to put on an article of clothing and be like, I beat all you motherfuckers. I think that's a great thing. Yeah, I agree. I think in real life it's cool than a trophy. Yeah. Like not tour life. I think with your buddies, it's cool than a trophy. Yes, I would agree with that.

Yeah, yeah. Well, you've got buddies that they'll play for, like, you know, a jacket or they'll play for like a cool crazy hat or something like that. That's like a crazy personalized straw hat, like on a weekend thing to do once a year or something like that. I think it's better than a trophy. Yeah, because when you got a trophy, you're going to lug that thing around at least. like you can wear that around at the bars that night and everybody can make fun of you something. Yeah, and like

whenever you bring it to like a house party with those buddies where you're having, who knows, you have a cocktail party, you bring your fucking hat. You're stunting on them because you got the win and they didn't. Yeah, you're like, what's up? This is my sweet hat. It's weird to bring your trophy to like a party. Yeah, you'd be a fucking weirdo. But you can wear your hat. Yeah, I like it. Yeah, so I'm still pro-articles of clothing as

trophies. So we got the Dean and DeLucah this weekend. Keep your eye out for who's going to wear the cool jacket. It was Spieth last year. Apparently he's due based on the miscut situation. Did Capfather give me any picks, or are you still in the dark? No, I'm kind of in the dark. I do have another guy who sends me picks the day after we do the podcast every week. That seems like a guy who's in it for the love of the game and doesn't want to shine. I think I like him better than Capfather. Well, he sends me these DMs like, I don't know if he expects me to put him in the podcast, but I'm like, dude, the podcast has been up for like eight hours.

Revision's history. How did he pick for the Byron Nelson? Do you remember? I don't check. I just know that he sends him to me. You don't even look at him. No, I basically, my first My first rule of thumb is I just, I look for persistence. So once he gets six or seven weeks in, then I'll start looking at his picks. I don't really care how he does right now. Okay. I care if he's persistent. Oh, well, see, now I don't like that you admitted that on the podcast because now he is going to be persistent.

Is he, though? Persistence isn't necessarily something that you can just, like, get motivated by. Usually you're either persistent or you're not. Fair enough. I guess we'll find out. Anyways, I think that's this week's show. We went a little along with Kip Henley because he was so good. Also, we're in between the Bayer Nelson and the Dean and DeLucah.

So who really gives a shit? Yeah. We'd rather talk to a caddy and get interesting stories than go super deep on the tourneys. Uh-huh. I think that's all we got. I think it is, too. Enjoy the tourney. Enjoy the dean of the luka.

Go speith. Hit it hard. Hit it hard.