Fore Play - Death by Brooks, and A Splash of Gil Hanse

Episode Date: February 27, 2020

The death of golf stuffiness is upon us, and Brooks Koepka has championed the cause. We breakdown Brooks’ recent GQ profile (we loved it) and Tiger’s teleconference reliving the 2019 Masters. Then, we hit you with a 10-minute excerpt of prolific course architect Gil Hanse chatting with Riggs. The full interview will be in next Tuesday’s show, but you get a taste of what it took to reshape the 16th hole, thumbprint green at Sleepy Hollow!You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

Hey, 4Play listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. We got a little bit of an excerpt from course architect, course designer Gil Hans. He is, I would say, easily in the top three. A lot of people consider him top one. Course architects, course designers, Hans Golf Course Design, in the world, especially when it comes to restorations, worked on Wingfoot, working on Bolterstrol, just recently finished Marion, done LACC, Southern Hills, has built the Olympic course, built Pinehurst number four, built the cradle at Pinehurst.

We have a phenomenal interview, nearly an hour long. We had already recorded the podcast with the boys with the whole crew, Frankie, Trent, Lurge, myself. It's a very good show. So what we're going to do is I'm going to give you a quick excerpt from the interview with Gil, and then we will put the full interview in next week's show on, Tuesday. I just didn't want to drown the whole thing into this show because I thought both were very good with the guys, with the rest of the crew, we get into pretty deeply into Brooks Kepka, into his GQ interview. He has a lot more, I guess, fully sort of thought out, fully contextualized

quotes from the entire piece that we break down. We sort of react to. Then we get into Tigers telecast. He talked a lot about the masters, sort of reliving the masters. And it led to a pretty good discussion. Very minimal hockey talk, I promise. We're not a hockey podcast. So we're going to lead with Gilhance. Ten minutes or so, excerpt from the interview. It's fascinating.

He is like an 11.3 handicap, yet he restores and tweaks and designs courses that they're playing U.S. opens on Wingfoot West coming up here in a couple months in June. Then he also designs incredibly fun properties like the cradle. And we get into all that. What that means, the challenges, some things. funny moments where we talk about Palmetto and him working there. We've obviously hit many horrible shots on that golf course. So there's a lot of good stuff. Gilhance, and then we get into nearly an hour-long conversation amongst the crew on Brooks Keppka and Tiger Woods

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It's tough word to say excerpt with Gil Hans and then a full show with the rest of the boys. So not too far away, Sleepy Hollow. You guys restored that as well. I've been lucky enough to get out there a few times recently. I think the 16th hole there has. really in the last several years become one of the more recognizable holes in golf course photographers

our friend Link's Jim's posted about it all the time what was the transformation like the process is like restoring the 16th with the now iconic once again kind of thumbprint green so we were lucky we had photographs

it's one of the funnier stories one of our cavemen who probably would rather to remain anonymous, but he was out there, and I said, you know, come on, go get started on it. And I came back about an hour later, and he hadn't even moved. And I was like, what's wrong? And he's like, I'm not sure I can do this. And so, what do you mean? He said, I can't tear into this green. You know, it's like, what happens if I make a mistake or whatever? I'm like, it's dirt. Just do it. Just blow it up and get going. But it was, it was.

it was really cool to me to understand the reverence and how nervous he was, you know, kind of getting into this iconic golf hole and knowing that we're going to redo it. And, you know, we're obviously going to make changes to it because it had softened and evolved over time away from the original horseshoe. But it was almost like he was paralyzed by the responsibility. And when you think about it, it's really very cool that he had that much respect for it.

but it was, yeah, I know now we all look back on it, and it's really has turned out great. But it's, again, it's having the photographs being able literally to stand, you know, where is now the forward T, which is down kind of on that lower shelf, that's where the original T was, stand there and look at the photograph and walk back and come back to it and get a good sense for it. And then after, you know, he had knocked it in and we'd roughed it in, and then I got on the SAM Pro and kind of dialed it in a little bit further,

and then the contractor went and rebuilt it because we kind of had to shape it first for them then to core it down so they could laser map it because it had changed so much. So we process, sorry, if I'm geeking out on you. No, it's okay. You know, you got to get in there and basically construct out of the existing material, the green that you want, and then they laser map it, and survey it, and then the contractor comes and cores it out to get the USGA green belt, and then builds it back up to the contour, the shape that we roughed in there.

So it was, you know, even though he had, he was nervous about getting it right, we had all the, all the freedom in the world to keep reworking it, reworking it until we could get it to that point. But yeah, it's beautiful. It is. It's stunning. Did part of you guys, like, after you, you know, you kind of shape it, and then you step, you know, you step back a little bit, you look at it and go like, holy shit,

like that's a green. Like what a, part of you had to be thinking of that. Yeah, there's some element of that. And you also have to realize that, you know, when McDonald and Rainer built that green, it was, you know, green speeds were like six or seven on the stint meter. And so you've got to look at, okay, yes, we want to make it authentic and get the historic part of it right. You get the presentation right. But you also have to be able to play it.

utilize it at, you know, green speeds that are going to be 10 or 11 or even 12 during tournaments. So you, and as close as we mow greens now, you know, if you build really bold and severe or abrupt contours, you're going to scalp the shit out. Right. You know, when you go to mow them. So there's other aspects of the thing that you have to kind of figure out, yeah, the original horse you may have been a little bit more severe, but we need to, so we need to push it to about as severe as we can make it based on today's maintenance standards, both the physical mowing of the green,

but also the green speed. And is that just, in terms of understanding sort of that threshold, is that just at this point you just know kind of the degrees and where you can't go over? Yeah, there's a lot of that. But there's also, you know, the most important guy on site is a superintendent. He's going to be the guy who takes care of it. So, you know, there was getting Tom Leahy to come over and go, yeah, we can most. that we can take care of it you know so we we have our experience and our eyes that we

think but sometimes we've got we've got the there's like a mathematical equation you know you guys curse so I can say it you know we call it the the architect asshole factor we always say that to the superintendent you know when you're when you're thinking about maintaining something push it about as far as you'd like to and then push it further because the architect is always going to push it a little bit further make it's really more difficult for you to maintain. So sometimes we have to temper our enthusiasm because we get a little bit out over our skis as it relates to maintenance.

But having the superintendent there to kind of check on everything is always very, very helpful. I love it. That's the business. When you worked on Palmetto in 2007, did you ever envision someone hitting it off the first tee into the pond on the right? You know, it is the distance thing and the way people are. Because you guys play down there. Did you play down there with Kevin Kisner?

Played down there with Kiz in November. And my guy Frankie, his first T shot went in that pond. He made a nine. Oh, yeah, yeah. That's, yeah, I think getting people yelling four for the people on 15T is kind of a common occurrence. But hitting it short of the T in the pond is. a little. Yeah, it was a bad shot.

That's not good. I don't know, Frankie, so I'm not going to say anything else. Fair. Well, the other people know them. They're going to enjoy that. It's like your brain's not working as you're trying to comprehend us how somebody could hit it in that pond, which is. Yeah, I'm kind of thinking, wait a second.

That's not that far because first I thought we were going to the whole distance thing and you guys playing with kids. And then I'm like, no, wait, the kids would never hit it in there. Yeah, no, that's not a good shot. No, it was ugly. Forward player. I present by Barstool Sport. Trent always does a clap before we do the show,

and that was just the, you almost, you almost missed. It was the worst clap I've had on this show. Talking about boxing pre-show and that noise when you hit the bag, and you gave that kind of limp-risted clap. That almost missed. There was no pop. That was the worst clap in the three years that we've been doing the show. Also, in the year 2020, we have to be able to have some sort of technology

in which Trent doesn't have to clap. I enjoy the clap. I think the clap's kind of fun. Yeah, but actually almost, I don't think Trent has to. We kind of made it just part of the show. just do it. It makes me feel involved. But then sometimes it's a risk because sometimes he hits us with a wet noodle and it makes

me feel all off. That's not usual. I would say that's rare. That's the worst one I've ever heard. Were you just not focused or what do you think happened there on that cloud? That was weird. I don't know. It seems like a pretty normal podcast that we were going to do.

You even gave like a, oh, man. I was like, boy, that's a tough way to start. It's not great energy. You missed your hand. I don't know. I got these big paws. How do you miss with those things? Normally when they hit.

together, they make a pretty significant pop. It just didn't happen this morning. I will say it is earlier than we usually record. True. So maybe my hands aren't ready. They're ready for 2 o'clock. I'll say it's not crazy early by any standard. No.

I mean, Mr. Late Guy. Well, I've just been grinding here. It's crazy. It's like I've been living in the city for the last year and a half. It's been amazing. Walking to work every day, you get to work whenever you want. I was back on Long Island because I went to the Islander range game. Whatever.

They lost in overtime. Great game. Playoff atmosphere. Rest for out to lunch. I don't know how they called that no goal. It's insane. Islanders should have won four or three in regulation. A little coldness office.

You're putting a sweater on. Oh, he's going to put, I mean, you're calling it a sweater. You're such a loser. Lurch has now pulled out a, it looks to be a Rangers. It's a Rangers jersey. I think it's a Rangers jersey. I think it's a Gretzky. That's the cup hatch right there.

Okay. You can't, nobody can see, right? So it's not a visual. Yeah, but like they're, we won't put that. We just won't put that out. We won't put that. But you realize, like, all the people that listen. Yeah.

Like, they don't. They might do two ways, right? to listen to the pod, then they go on Instagram and see the pod. What was the last time you wash that thing? It's been a bit. Got a couple of ketchup stains on there. Those jerseys are hard to watch because sometimes you're afraid that all the things on it are going to get curled. You don't want to hurt it at all.

Right. And the cup patch. Yeah, I mean, I wasn't even like a lie for that. I didn't even know my own name. I was shitting my pants when the Rangers won the stand like that. I just, I was cold, so I just had to put it on a sweater. That's fine. Big win for the Rangers last night.

Yeah. I mean, they're in a pretty good playoff push. I mean, the Islanders are in a solid position to still. Right, it's going to be a great finish of the season. I'm not nervous about the way of the West. And the islanders are on their way to St. Louis right now. Wow. Yeah.

I actually feel good about that game because the Blues have won five in a row. They had a tough game last night, like back and forth. I think the island's going to win in St. Louis. You think that every night. Well, I just think they're due for a loss, the Blues. But, yeah, it was a fun night last night, Coliseum. Oh, and I was late this morning because I was on Long Island, and I took the train for the first time in a long time,

get to the train, 842 train from Merrick, just didn't show up. It says it's canceled. You got to wait for the 908. So how's that possible? How do they do this? All the people on the platform are just like, ugh,

they're making noises. I don't know, I miss my meanings now. You hear there's a bunch of people talking. I'm just standing up there like, how do we do this? Nobody in the world has a positive review of that train. It's crazy.

LIR. Because there was a little bit of mist. There was a little bit of mist out there and it just turns everything off. It's crazy. There's not even really a weather event. No. It's fine.

Everything's pretty much fine. So then. No, there's no weather. Now they're doing this new thing. They're moving Long Island Railroad to like the library across the street. So all of a sudden, usually you get out 7th Avenue. Barcelona Sports is right outside Madison Square Garden. We're only like diagonal, two blocks.

I got out on 33rd and 8th Avenue. 33rd Street and 8th Avenue. I'm like, where the fuck am I right now? It was just a new entrance to the Long Island Railroad. I was on the whole other side of the city. It took me 20 minutes to walk here. We made it, Frankie. Yeah.

Welcome. The Brooks kept. So we talked about him. What was that a week ago? About a week ago. I know that one. I mean, come on, guys.

Yeah, but you- Shmurda? You didn't, I don't know, I didn't think you did it in a way that, like, made it that obvious. Really?

I got it. What? Didn't make it that obvious. How much more you don't know? How much more he's supposed to do? Lurch doesn't know Ocean Avenue. He doesn't know anything. How much more was I supposed to do that?

I thought it was good. I got it. What was I supposed to do? I take my hat off? You know? I mean, where did Bobby Shmurda's hat? Where does his hat go?

Yeah. I was in that music video. I mean, I thought that was perfect. I think like a week ago, we spoke about Brooks Kevka at length. You know, we were talking about the fact that it was when he made his little comment about, you know, he forgot later in the day that he got a whole on one at Augusta. We were like, that's just clearly bullshit. Obviously, people don't get a whole one anywhere and forget about it later that day, especially at Augusta National. And then we thought it was disingenuous that he's pushing this whole narrative too far that he's like not a big golf guy.

And we went as far to be like, dude, you obviously love golf. Like you wouldn't have had the path. You wouldn't have had the success. You wouldn't be able to do what you do unless you loved golf. One of the things that I tried to highlight was like he wasn't even when he first turned professional capable of playing on the PGA tour. He loved golf so much that he went and grinded all around the world to finally get to the point where he could play on the PGA tour. He brought that up in this interview, this GQ interview. I actually thought the interview made me like Brooks.

Kskevka significantly more. Me too. Significantly more. Same. It's nice to actually hear him say, and you've highlighted some of the quotes here in the rundown. I just think people confuse all this for me not loving the game. I love the game.

I absolutely love the game. It's just nice to hear him say it. Yes. Because up until this point, he has never explicitly that I've seen stated that out, right? It's always been all of the other stuff about like, I forgot about the whole and one. I show up late and I don't practice that much. I don't play that much.

It's nice to actually get him in long form in an interview like this with GQ where he can get all of his thoughts out there. And it shows everything. And we finally got the part where he's like, no, I do love golf. He said, I could retire right now, live a great life if I didn't love it. But I'm not going to do that because I do love the game. Yep. And he, you know, it was contextualizing everything that he says.

And it was longer form. He was able to kind of explain every aspect of his relationship with golf. And he made basically the same comments that are sort of the ethos of this show, which is like no I love golf I love the game I don't love the stuffy atmosphere that comes along with it that to me is not enjoyable when I practice I don't think I've ever tucked my shirt in I show up to the course half the time my shoes are untied I'm chipping putting shirts untucked whatever it is like maybe I got my hat on backwards uh that stuff is just me loving golf but what's not lovable about it to him is like the reaction to that and the stuffiness he went on to say I love it um but I know how to break away

from it, that's where the confusion lies or maybe the misconception of me lies. I absolutely love the game. If I didn't love it, I'd retire right now, like Trent alluded to earlier. This type of stuff, again, what I thought was the most likable stuff I've ever heard for books, Captain. Yeah, it's the first time he's given like almost a complete answer where it's not just a short, you know, I don't know, I'm this way, I'm that way. It's, there's a reason behind it and you actually like believe what he's saying, you know, becomes, you know, a real point without a backing for the first time. And there's parts about it that I 100% agree with.

This is what made me like it as well, along with the part about him loving golf, where he's talking about going to these country clubs and you feel like you're walking on eggshells. And even, and there he says even like, I can get turned away. If I'm not wearing the right thing or the club just isn't open that day, I'm Brooks Kefka.

I'm one of the best golfers in the world was number one for a while there. And I can get turned away from clubs for this or that reason. That part, that is like the ethos of this show where there are aspects of golf that are incredible. incredibly stuffy and you never want to go to a place and play golf where you feel like you're walking on eggshells but they are all over the place everywhere everywhere how i grew up i didn't grow up going to a golf club and so whenever i would get like invited there which was very

randomly yeah you know you felt uncomfortable almost in your own skin because you didn't want to have an untuck shirt you didn't want to you know have your member whoever brought you out get like a letter or some passive aggressive note you didn't want any of that so it just made you uncomfortable it's really bad feeling i grew up playing golf with buddies post college was in this lax environment that I love up at Granite Links and we had the best group ever. Public courses. It was just perfect. You go out there with your buddies.

You can do whatever you want. So that part, and I'm really glad that he said that in the interview because I think a lot of people feel that way. And it's good to hear a guy of his stature being like, we, it doesn't have to be this way. And even I don't really like it this way. He told a great story about, you know, essentially sitting in his car when he's invited to a course and not being able to like enter the club or not being able to really get out of his car and go enjoy the facilities and prepare for his.

experience of the day he's going to have at this club until the member arrives. And he went as far as say, like, why do I have to sit in my car and wait for a member? And a story that, like, made me think and reflect and relate perfectly to this, was this past summer when I was out with links, Jims, I'm not going to name the club. It was, you know, like incredibly high-ranked club, exclusive, private, all that. And we were out there and it was me and Link's Jens and a couple other folks. that are very close to him. And at the turn, we went up into the,

to the bar of the golf club, the clubhouse to grab a quick beer. And we were unaccompanied, but the member had obviously set the whole thing up. And, you know, I was like, these guys are my guests. I'm not going to be there. And we went up,

and we went right up to the bartenders. Two bartenders staying there. Not another soul was inside the clubhouse, not one, but there are two bartenders working. We went right over. They had huge smiles in their face. Like, holy shit, it's human beings. And we went up there.

We were like, can we just grab like two bud lights or whatever and they're like yeah great and um another staff member someone must have been closer to a manager or g or whatever tracked right over to us and was like excuse me um what's your guys member numbers you're not members and we're like no no we're not we're like with so and so and and we're on a company and like you cannot be in this clubhouse unless you're with your member and we were like you know like we're just at the turn we're just like grabbing a couple of beer we'll be out here in two seconds and it was very clear and like that guy was just probably following the rules like it wasn't his fault but the whole concept of it

And we were like, we just wanted to almost call the member and be like, you know how pissed off the member would be if he knew that like his guests were treated that way? It's like, why? For what reason? Like, we clearly are, are, have been brought there and like sanctioned to be there by the member who is obviously like the members make up and own the club. So what the fuck are we doing here? And it's the same kind of thing where it's like there's just so many little. It's so fucking stupid. It's crazy.

It's so fucking stupid. It is. I would prefer to never go to one of those places ever again. So I don't have to feel that way. Correct. It is, I just don't even want to go near those places. I know they're the best golf courses and they look the best and they're pristine. I fucking hate those places because they make me feel like I like if I step in the wrong area,

they're just going to kick you out of there. It's like less of a person. It's ridiculous. I was actually speaking with a family friend the other day who's made a good buck and is fortunate enough to belong to a lot of these clubs that are like high end, so to speak. And he was just sharing. He was like, why the hell do we as the membership allow the club to act the way they do in a sense.

Like, I'm the member, I'm paying this money so I can go to this lovely spot. Like, if I want to set up a fun day with my buddies, and I want them to put a grill outside, and whatever, if they have to staff it, you know, I can't cook my own burger, whatever, like I'll pay for that.

But, like, I want to create that lax environment because that's what I've, like, earned in a sense with the money that you pay to be at these places. And it's nice to see that side of, like, a person come out and be like, no, no, no, the club should work to benefit us,

not we pay all this money to like tiptoe around and feel a certain way because you know the rules are in place that way and look golf is clearly going that way it's moving in a glacier pace glacial pace we'll be dead by the time yeah you know actually happens but there are and and is that two inches per year glacial it depends on the glacier i think okay but it's slow boys glaciers are so i just want to echo how slow glacial or i would say maybe a tectonic pace okay tectonic plates Those things might move. Now you're using words that I don't understand. So the gigantic tectonic plates are what drive earthquakes, volcanic action, that kind of stuff.

I see that. I'll just do a visual again in case you're watching the podcast. Let me give you a fact real quick. Excuse me, easy tales, baby. I'm I excited. Speaking of volcano, anything could come out of those days. Hopefully it's something with mass, some with numbers, and the Frankie fact. So you know how Australia was an island for inmates?

Yep. Well, that's why they call everyone mate. I like that. Is that right? If that's true. Or did you just think of that? So I got told this. Moon faces. I got,

I got told this by someone very close to us. He bets on Tony Fee now every week. And he's like, hey man, I'm listening. Talking about Colby. Talking about I got Colby goes, I'm listening to the pod right now. And if you want a surefire fact to keep in your back pocket the next time you do the pod, why don't you hit him with this? And he says, not only was it a island for inmates.

This is incredible. But it's the reason why they call each other mate because it's short for inmate. Now, I said, now, are you fucking me right now? Because I said, I'm going to say it on the podcast and I know it's probably fake. That sounds, it's too good. Yeah, somebody just like was shit-faced one night. It was like, you know what? I bet that's why they say it works.

I would say whoever's listening to the show, I would say 99.9% are going to take that fact. Yeah, because it's a great fact. It's a gift from Frankie to them. That is the thing Australian say. That's incredible. Good day, mate. Good day, inmate. That blew my mind.

Sick. Wow. That's right up there with Pablo Picasso died in 1973. Yeah, that is up there. It's not as strong, but it's maybe a notch below. It's a little bit below, but it's, it's so perfect. I still think that's a lie. Picasso?

Yes. Yeah. Like, we studied him in school. I felt like he died hundreds of years ago. 1670. I thought maybe he was BC. Right. Yeah.

Like, who cares? Yeah, he's between like, the Egyptians and the Romans. Yeah. Picasso was like in Egypt, just like, I could not believe that. Like the fact that he watched like Arnold Palmer or somebody play golf is like. Yeah, people are saying that Pablo Picasso could have tried Mountain Dew. Dude, when I was right, this was a couple of years ago for people that don't know. I was writing a blog about something that had to do with Picasso and I was like, oh, just look it up when he died.

I figured I figured it was 1453. Good guess. I'll still say it's a good guess. I looked up in 1973. I almost passed out of my desk. And then I immediately tweeted it and it set the world on fire. And he thought it was a hoax or something. I did.

I thought somebody changed it or something. 1973. There's pictures of him. There's like HD pictures of Pablo Picasso. Pachas was listening to dark side of the moon by Pink Floyd. It just doesn't make sense. It doesn't even feel like a real fact. He witnessed the moon landing.

Yep. We put a man on the moon while Pacasa was watching his fucking TV. Picasso's like, that's pretty interesting. I should fucking paint something about that. But the mate thing, that's right up there with that. Yeah. No, that's crazy. I don't even want to Google if it's true or not because I just want to live in a space where that is what that's what it is.

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real sport. You go out there, you're with your buddies, you're on the, you're like my, I actually just changed my phone background to Sage Valley because it looks like the most picturesque beautiful golf golfers. Oh, that little part three?

Was that like the 11th or 12th? Yeah, the part three. And like someone at the islanding game yesterday was like, man, what's that place on your, literally you guys sitting next to me goes, what's that place on your phone? I'm going on Sage Valley goes, that's like the most beautiful thing

I've ever seen in that background. I'm like, that is so cool that you get to go there and play a sport on, on, on like, canvases, like you're in a painting. But then all of a sudden, if you make the wrong turn, like you're saying, or maybe your belt is undone.

I remember I took a picture last year when Tiger won the Masters, and I was laying in bed in a tiger outfit, and I took a picture saying, like, I'm going to sleep. And I was holding the Scotty, and I was like, I'm going to sleep, like, well tonight. And everyone was roasting me because I didn't have, like, a belt on. Like, it wasn't because it was, like, golfers were like, well, that's not the right outfit.

Like, that's tiger wears, like, a black Nike belt. I was like, are you fucking kidding me? This is what I think you conflate two different things. What? Like, if you, anytime anybody posts like a selfie of themselves and puts it on, on any of our social channels that's related to bars. Like people zoom in and nitpick every part of what you post the matter of what. No, but I think that's the golfer mind in that. But I disagree too.

Like when you're taught, when you conflate like people saying like, you shouldn't say golfing with this. Like there's a reason hockey Twitter has an image of being like, oh, you don't like my sport because they do the same shit. It's why like Dave trolls them all time by being like Pokesall Net and terminology. Well, that's why they're the worst. People do that in every sport. Right. But you're saying that like, I think. you're conflating like stuffiness with golf and this and that with things that are not related to that.

I don't think. I don't think golfing and like, oh, what belt were you wearing is the same like crowd and the same reasoning. I think those things are very different. I think people nitpick fucking everything we post a part of stool, whether it's like you're not wearing a belt. Even if you were in like, if you were posting yourself, if you were wearing like a suit and you didn't have a belt on, people would have roasted you. That doesn't mean those are like stuffy shoot people. That just means people are just chirping you for your outfit. That's what people do.

Well, I just, I just disagree with you. And I also think that it's coming from a place because you think that's saying, shooting is wrong. I think that's why you're kind of like backing that up. I think it sounds dumb. Because I think you have to back that up, but I think it comes from a very stuffy place. I think if you were on a golf course and someone said golfing or shoot, you'd be like, well, that guy's a fucking idiot.

And I'd be like, well, I never want to play golf with this guy again. Like, that's what I would think. But you've said that same. I've never said you're fucking idiot when you say in the course. That's just not true. But the fact that you think that comes from a place in which we are saying, and Brooks Kepka is saying, golf needs to change so that like, if you're playing tennis or something, you can wear fucking no shoes and you can go golf or you can say whatever

the fuck you want. You could drink beers and do all these things. You shouldn't ever in any aspect of it, whether what you're saying, what you're doing, what you're wearing, uh, how you're feeling, whatever. It doesn't matter of any feel, anything that associates with you and that game should not be thought about or talked about by the person that you're playing with or the person that own the golf club or anything. I should just be free-minded and do whatever the fuck I want. How come Trent can't be free-minded when he watches TV with wires out? Like, are you a stuffy fucking douchebag? Because of that, well, yeah. I mean, yeah, that's like a thing that, like, he, he argues with me. He's like, why the fuck do you care? And I'm like, well, I care a lot.

But like, right. So what's the difference? Like, people choose stuff to nitpick. That's what we do. But you're not like, you're allowed to generalize it with the game. It's like it's not just like the person that gets mad at me for saying golfing also probably wants me to wear a hat inside the clubhouse. And you don't agree with that. No, I don't.

I think that it correlates 100%. I mean, 100% does. See, I don't think it does. All right. Just like I don't think like you have a wire thing. The guy that cares that much about what the term of golf is or like that you can't use. the term as a verb or the guy that cares if I asked him, like, even if he doesn't say it, the guy that actually like cares that I said, would you shoot there? And he may think that I've

never played the game before. Also, in my mind would be like, well, that guy's going to make the wrong turn inside the clubhouse because he's just never set them on the golf. Do you think Tiger Woods is a stuffy like golf dushab? Well, that would say that because he had the exact same take. He's like, yeah, you shouldn't say golfing. I mean, it's hard to say. I mean, I think that he probably has like old ideologies of the game in some aspect for sure i think he's that's just like the way he thinks about the game i think he holds it to like the standard of like it's i i do i don't think he has like a new way thinking of the game of golf i think he grew up and has told many many anecdotes about how he literally wasn't allowed it like golf courses because of the color of his skin i don't

think he's coming from the same exact place of like a duchy stuffy guy you don't think he holds like golf to a level higher than like we would like like the little intricacies of the game i think everybody holds it on a different level based on like their own person but I don't think that he's yeah I don't think a one to one comparison between like what us what we think and what tiger things I think those things are going to be very different I agree with that I think it's going to be different for everyone but I'm what I'm saying is I wouldn't then generalize like anyone who thinks like this this supports my point anyone who's like yeah I don't think golfing is like the right term doesn't immediately mean that they're the stuffy douchebag which is what frankie

just said 30 seconds ago no I I I'll stand by that I do think it all comes from the same place that's just yeah i don't think it does i think i tend to agree with frank on that i think it does it's harder to make your point being like no no i really care about that and like i think you sound stupid but you're a lot to do whatever else you want in the other aspects and other parts why i just think it's a harder argument as opposed to me just saying no i do whatever you want in all in everything but i think you're saying like you choose to care what you want to care about like you care about trans wires we're talking about the game of golf like i'm i just think like it all comes from the same place i think the person that maybe walked in front of your line

You're like, this guy doesn't know what the fuck he's doing. Like, why is he out here? It's the same thing as like, did you hear what that guy just said? So my only counter to that is I personally don't care about really any of that stuff. I do feel stupid if I go to a course and I don't have a belt on. You know, like, and I'm wearing like shorts and a t-shirt and I don't have a belt on. But I feel stupid. You made you feel that way.

No, I think just like when I was 10, I didn't give a shit, but now. If you drop to a muni course and you wore shorts and no belt, you would actually care? I would be like, oh, man, I'm an idiot. I should have had a belt on the day. Dude, I've worn jeans in a t-shirt to Eisenhower. Yep. Yeah, I'm not saying. Right, but different people, different strokes, whatever.

Right, but, like, I just feel like, that was before I've ever played a country club, too. My only point is that there can be two different sides. Like, personally, I mean, you know, what did you shoot? Whatever, have fun. I don't care. Also, whatever you do, I don't really give a shit about. It's more just me. Like, I want to, you know, I'm going to wear this or whatever because I want that, you know,

or, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. You know, you do your thing, I'll do my thing, and let's go have a ball kind of thing. Yeah, I'm just talking about, like, just the game of golf in general has a stuffiness to it, and I think it all just falls into this one huge basket, and everyone's always just nitpicking at everything that you do on the course. And it makes it a place that you don't want to do the wrong thing, step in the wrong place. You don't want to say the wrong thing. You don't want to say the wrong thing.

You can say the belt thing is small, but then it just, it's sort of advances it. It just starts to get bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger. to the point. Then you're dealing with something that we're talking about now, where it is, it becomes a bigger issue. I get what Riggs is saying, where you're like, these are small things that you're, you say that people are nitpicking, but I do think it speaks to a larger point. Yeah, and I think it's, it is true that golf's the, like, the worst at it has a long

history of being the worst at it. But I also think, like, every sport and every little niche or every hobby that people have, you're going to get people that nitpick certain shit. And golf clearly is the worst. I think we all agree on that. I think that was what Brooks Kevka's main point was. And I think that's what we all started agreeing on, which the clubhouse thing going into a private club,

walking on eggshells, feeling uncomfortable, all that is bad for the game of golf. And it's going the other direction, which is phenomenal. So again, I thought his interview on the whole was like the best, most insightful, revealing kind of insight into his mind. And you obviously got the parts raised. Like, I wish I wanted to be a baseball player. If I could do it all over again, I'd be a baseball player.

We all knew those parts were coming. And we, that's the, That's the side that we've always seen where he's like golf is boring. I'd rather watch baseball. I come from a baseball family. But then, so that was expected. So I wasn't like, oh, this is just classic Brooks Kebka. It was when you get further into it and he talks about what we've now been talking about for the last 25 minutes,

where you get the full, more full picture of who Brooks Kebka is. And like you said, Riggs originally, I came away liking him a lot more. He should have always said this because he would have been the poster boy or poor, not the boy, the poster. Poster man. No, you'd say poster boy. Posture boy. Yeah, that's a common phrase. He's a grown-ass man.

He is. He's big. He would have been this the whole time, and I wouldn't have had the take that I've always had, like, the past year of him where I said every time he lost, and then we'd come out and say, oh, Brooks doesn't care about the game of golf. It felt disingenuous where he's like, oh, well, when I win, I care and when I don't. Like, I didn't even practice before this tournament because, like, I don't like to practice. I just show up, and then I play if I win, I win, I win. Or the majors are only important, these little John Deer classics and all these other things, not the shit on the John Deer Classic, but like. Well, the Johnny the Classic isn't important.

Right, but like any other tournament that he joined and maybe he missed a cut or whatever, he had a bad track record in regular tournaments as opposed to majors at one point. And I used to say, like, well, why the fuck are you only saying you don't care about golf when you're not winning the U.S. Open and all these and the PGA championship and all this stuff? So now that the fact that it comes from a place like this, like this is what he should always have been driving at. Like he always should have been like, no, no, I do like it. I just don't care about like that asshole over there. Right. That's what I was saying before.

It's like, it's a complete answer with like a backing, which, you. is we've had like blurbs before of you know i don't remember that whole and one it's like and all these things and you're like dude this is amounting to me hating you because it's the least believable thing it's just like a bunch of lies um but now with backing to like his answer and giving us a little bit more insight it makes me really like him and like where he comes from because it makes a lot of sense to me on the major's point he did go out and just say um which again i'm happy they finally just like said this instead of all the other little like jabs and comments trying to make people infer what they will.

The guy goes on to write, you know, at the restaurant, I asked Brooks, as some suggest, if he really only cares about the majors, yeah, I mean, everybody should. Those are my chances to shine. And that's fine. Like that, I think makes sense when you look at all of what he talks about, how he would rather be like, you know, baseball. And if you focus, if you look at a sport like baseball, it's like what does really matter? like the postseason.

Like you're going to play 162 games during the regular season. Like they're going to feel and monotonous and not feel as important. You can say the same exact thing about golf tournaments. They're playing every fucking week on tour. If you're somebody like Brooks Kebke who's got four majors who pretty much now is at a point where he's stacking himself up against other talent. And they tell another little anecdote in the piece about how he goes up to Gary Player. And then somebody chirped him. It was like that guy's got twice as many as you.

It wasn't wins. It was major wins. That's like what they care about. So that, him just coming out and saying it, I thought, Fine, cool, we get it. Some very interesting detail on kind of his approach mentally to the game, especially when it comes to his playing competitors. He talked a lot about the 12th hole in Augusta this past year.

He hit in the water along with Molinaria, along with Fienau, along with Polter, a bunch of guys hit in the water in the last couple groups. Tiger Woods did not. Went on to win the Masters in case you forgot. Brooks Kevka said my theory is if you don't show them anything visually, and this is him kind of responding to the fact that he shows no emotion on the golf course. They can only go off one of their senses, which is sound. How did that ball sound when it came off?

They don't know if I had 100% or 90%. All they can do is judge it by the strike. If I start cursing or sulking, Tiger will know it was the shot, not the tricky wind or anything like that that failed him and calibrate his own approach on 12 accordingly. Brooks went on to say, and so I didn't have any reaction. I just handed the club right back to my caddy, and it might have confused them. So he's legitimately thinking in real time, like, why would I give an emotional reaction after my ball goes in the water? Because that's only going to, like, if you're playing poker, whatever, give the other player more information.

He knows Tigers watch him behind him on 11, which Tiger is talking good detail about how he saw Brooks kept a hit in the water on 12 because he was walking down the 11th hole. That type of stuff is fascinating to me, like what's going through his brain in the five seconds after he hits it in the water. 12 at Augusta with the lead in the masters. It shows you how much like a gamer he is too and like mentally in it to control your emotions in such a big time to still not, you know, blow up like Frankie Mite or somebody here in the room one. Yeah. You know, I mean, like it is impressive.

Agreed. And something that's, you know, the pinnacle of the sport to have that go against you, but control everything else that happens with you post that shot and really take the emotions out of it. And I always felt like whoever I've played against in sports or anything. an emotionless killer through sports is always somebody impossible to beat. And I think that's probably why he's had a ton of success. Yeah, it was cool hearing him again,

just kind of talk all about the reasoning that he shows such a little emotion. And really it all kind of boiled down to the fact that the more emotion he shows, the more information he's giving his playing partners and his competitors. And if you're in a tournament, you have to factor all these different things into every shot. So why give them more information? Like make them have to show up and make all the decision based on the least amount of information. possible. Why should I give them more information? So that kind of stuff, those types of mind games during a tournament, especially one like the Masters is fucking fascinating. And then he kind of talked

about his relationship with a lot of the other guys on tour, basically that he doesn't feel any real, like, obligation to happen. He said, I just don't want to be that close with everybody I compete with. I don't even have Rory's phone number. I didn't have Tiger's phone number for the longest time. Might come across the wrong way on his relationship with other players. But I already have enough friends. I don't need any more. Just because we work together doesn't mean we have to be friends. Friend bragging. A little friend brag on the backside of it. You got friends, Brooks. Cool, man. No, I get what he's saying, though. He even said, like, do I don't want people to take a strong way? I understand that he definitely has friends outside of golf. And he's just like, they don't talk about

golf. The only reason they follow golf is because of me. He likes to get away from it. That's sort of how he recovers from tournaments or the season. I think that's fine. He doesn't have Rory's number. I don't think him and Rory would. No. They just don't like. doesn't feel like they jive and that's fine no not at all yeah that's totally fine i think it's you know i think it's totally fine i agree yeah it's also that's something i think that probably every person that works could agree could relate to that quote it's like i have enough friends i don't need any more just because we work together isn't we have to be friends yeah like everyone and every workplace in the world can relate to that on some level true uh so fascinating this is the gq

piece, of course. Go through, look at it, go through, read it, look at it, check it out. I imagine we'll talk about it even more going forward because there was a lot in it. But Brooks Kepka, you know, positive. That was a very positive piece to read. I thought the writer did really well. The really good writer. I wish I knew the guy's name right now, but I don't.

It's Dan something. Dan Soder? You want to, you want a soda pop? Oh, man, I love that joke. Me too. That nobody knows about it except me and you. and Nate. Nate, yeah.

So when Dan Soder came in, we say, well, who's the first person that started it? Was it Nate? I don't remember. He said, you're in the mood for a Dan Soder? I said, what does that mean? He brought over a Coke, Coca-Cola. Yeah.

And I say it all the time now. It's so funny. A vodka soda. Get a hot dog in a Dan Soder. It's really dumb, but it's fun. Daniel Riley is the author, is the writer. Yeah, I thought it was really well done. Very.

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Speaking of Tiger Woods, he did a little teleconference yesterday on the Masters, kind of reflecting on his master's win. Again, if you forgot, he won the 2019 Masters, 15th major. Second plug of the day. Let's see if you get a third out of you. Fifth time winning the Masters tournament, which is a very big tournament in golf.

I'm walking from 15 to 16 and rewatching the 16th shot. So a lot of this was kind of him talking about reliving it, not even necessarily what it was like in real time, but like watching it a month later with Joey, which, I mean, that's such an awesome setting. Imagine being able to be invited to that. Like, yeah, let's grab some popcorn and just rewatch me winning. masters. He said I was locked into what I was doing. I had just taken the lead on 15, was trying

to figure out, am I going to, I already had an idea if I was going to be a seven or an eight iron. That's what I kept thinking or reminding myself that, hey, I've got to be committed to either shot. So it's amazing to me to just think about Tiger, that machine, Darth fucking Vader walking from 15 to 16. He's just taking the lead in the back nine of the masters. And he knows, before he even walks off that green on 15, it's either a seven or an eight iron, which ones are going to be. I'm sure it's got to be some sort of like little soft like maybe more of a cut shot into that slope if it's a seven iron and an eight iron he's got to hit like kind of a rope draw as he did. We all know how it played out. He slung that iron in there from the right,

hit the top of that hill right where he chipped it to and hold out. It looked like it was going to fucking go in the hole and that obviously ended up two feet away from the hole, gave him a two stroke lead and that was kind of the point where it was like he would have to massively fuck up to not win the masters at this point. Yep. And then they kind of talked about did you know Michael Phelps right behind you? Because if you recall the clip, it's like he and Phelps are both like bending over at the exact same time, like squinting trying to get a great view of if that ball is going to go on the horn or not. He says, no, I didn't know who was there. And to see the reaction to see Vern call it and to see Michael Phelps, basically bending over in the exact same position that I was leaning forward. That was really cool. He went on to talk about how Joey came down about a month later. They watched the masters together. He said we were talking back and forth reliving every bit of it because we have a certain viewpoint and how we look at it, the shots, the numbers and situation. people were making birdies and all the different scenarios were playing out in our heads. It was fun to sit back and listen to the broadcast and hear their take on it. What we don't have access to is what other people are, how they're doing in front of us.

And you know, we hear the roars, we hear the birdies that are being made. We have the signage that people pop up and what they have done. We just don't know how they did it. And that's a very good point. And that like, it's got to be fascinating to be Tiger and sit back and watch the coverage, go from Tiger shots to then they jump to like Patrick Cantlay's shots or Dustin Johnson shots and him being like oh shit he he made that 25 foot bomb I didn't know that you know and like and rewatching it that way must be amazing and it must be really cool and like you want you're like no matter what this other stuff

matters yeah that's what I was going to say this is the guy who's just like I love rewatching myself what win the masters and I get it I totally get that but it was just like yeah pat yourself on the back you know pretty fun pretty good day like cool bird there brooks but like no i'm gonna win it's not gonna matter i know what's gonna happen yeah um so that i mean that was just like gave me chills thinking about this setting of him and joey just maybe they're having a fucking beer or vodka and they're just like watching them win the masters it's very very cool um and then this quote i mean this was the big one uh on the masters coming up and kind of where his game was out he's coming off a pretty poor finish at the genesis which he's never done well at riviera

and he just said i've been thinking about the masters since australia my prep as it usually is to see what I need to do for the masters. Turn on. That's it. Turn on. He's made multiple comments in post-round interviews this year so far and his couple different starts about like, no, I'm just like trying to peek and find the shots for Augusta.

And this is a man who's at 82 wins, which is tied for the most all time, if you count some of Sam's needs, you know. Yeah, the other side of that. Generous wins. Yeah, the other side of that audit, it's not 82. Thank you. Very exact.

Well said. But let's say, let's assume for a moment. that you're going to give Samsony 82 wins generously. He's tied for the most wins of all time. He's three behind Jack Nicholas and major championship. This man cares about winning majors, and he knows he's going to get to play Augusta every year until he decides to stop playing because he won the tournament five times, really.

He just won last year, 2019 Masters champ. And so I do think, like, he knows he's always going to have a chance to win the Masters. Yeah. Like, always. These other courses come and go, you're playing. the British over, it could be chilly. It's not great. He's got a fucking fuse back.

U.S. Open, high-ass, rough, narrow fareway, has never been the greatest and straightest driver of the golf ball of all time. PGA championship, pretty similar. Augusta, wide open. He's got the history there. He knows the reads. He knows how certain shots play. He knows where to miss it.

Experience plays a massive role there. Every year he's going to have a chance to win the master. If the birds are chirping and the sun is shining, Tiger's going to win the master's. Yeah. The only thing is like if it rains, then it becomes like a whoever gets through it, I feel like, at Augusta. Yeah.

if it's chilly. We don't want it to be chilly. No. And it's the tournament that he wants to win the most, which means a lot. Like for the greatest golfer of all time to pinpoint one tournament and be like, that's the one I want to win. That's, I mean, that's going to help. Remember when Rory said he could play that Dubai golf course blindfolded?

Mm-hmm. It's like, which is just a lie. Tiger, I think, couldn't play Augusta blindfolded fully from the time he gets out of his car to the time he gets back in it. Definitely. Oh, he absolutely good. He knows every, he could just saw his eyes out and he would be fine. Imagine playing the Masters every year.

He's played since he was 19. Yeah, and he also, I mean, there's probably times where he just goes out there and, like, no one knows that he's out there. And he's just on, like, 11, 12, 13. That was like Jake Owen told us. Yeah, yeah, exactly. That's, like, crazy that he's actually just inside those trees, those, like, tree-line corridors, Tiger Woods is walking. Right. Playing golf.

It could be happening at any time. Could be happening right now? He also, like, all the other. Did you tell that story that Jake, because Jake Owen told us that dinner? He told it on the podcast. Oh, he did tell it on the podcast. Okay. I think so.

It does all kind of go together because we don't know. We've had some off the record, like, dinner conversations with Jake Owen. But essentially he said one time when he was at Augusta, like, Tiger walked across the practice. Across the practice. Which is crazy. And, like, didn't acknowledge anyone. No. And he said he was there with, like, a couple other big fucking names that Tiger Woods would obviously know who they are.

And Tiger didn't acknowledge anyone. Which is so sick. That's awesome. It's so cool. But all the other things, too, that go into the Masters suit Tiger Woods. Like, you can't have, there's like no. media inside the ropes. It's like, um, kids and those guys were telling us to say the US Open,

everybody's got a fucking army. Every player on the, on, in the tournament has an army. They got a swing coach. They got a fucking chipping coach. I got a, a video guy. They got a mental coach. They've got like nine people inside the ropes. And Augusta, it's incredibly minimal. Um, so you're like, you're like secluded how Tiger Woods likes to be.

The name of his boat is privacy for fuck sakes. Like the guy likes to be left alone. Go about his business. Have, you know, kind of his, basically Robbie Mac, his horrocks around. And that's about it. So everything about Augusta kind of lends itself to Tiger Woods have his success. That's why he won five times there most recently in 2019.

So let me say this also about, because we've had a lot of discussion about the stuffiness of golf and all this stuff. Let golf be a playground everywhere else except for Augusta. Yeah. That's where you go on. International waters. Let it be the most stuff. That everybody's got different. No, no, no.

But different levels. No, there's no levels. You have to agree. I want golf in general, in general, to come. from a place that has no more like that type of thinking it has no more just like you're wrong on right but Augusta

National is like stepping into a time capsule like you and and nothing nothing goes by the rules they already don't go by the rules I have to put my phone into a little box when I walk in it's 2020 what if I need to tweet that's like this is my life so they've already come up with a bigger reason than to tweet no Trent do you want to answer that tweeting is the most important

thing of the world okay I have long said if I ever lose my Twitter account. Like if these DMCA's are like, they'll shut your Twitter account down. They did it to Marina, a girl that works here over the weekend. She got it back luckily. But if they ever take mine away and they don't let me have it back, I'm moving back to Iowa. And I'm just... Security guard? What are you going? This would be a fever

dream these last six or seven years. Part of you wouldn't love to just be gone with it? I love Twitter. What do you love so much about it? It connects you. I just like looking at your face when you say it. And it's the thing that I think I thrive at the most. Like, I, Instagram, I don't have... Like, look at me.

I would say that's a postable body But like You have to change the glasses The idea I know You know what's funny Look at this This thing's missing Oh my God

Missing one of the The pair of the pounds Is that hurt? Oh Is that hurt like a motherfucker I didn't even notice it Until like today's The marks on your skin

You need bigger glasses We're getting We're getting away from the point that I mean that's Instagram You can put that up on the web That's not how you're supposed to use Instagram Twitter up on the line Twitter I get

It's words and I put them down And I put them out there And people are like Yay or nay If I ever lose it. Twitter, after an Islander goal, I can write. I came my pants. Yep.

And people like, yeah. Like, they write it. Like, they say, yeah. Isn't Twitter though by far like the least like valuable and the least like. 100%? But that doesn't mean that doesn't mess with my love for it. But I also think it's the most connection that of all of them. Yeah, I agree with that.

Yeah, because the way. You actually see what's going on with people. Yeah. Instagram. Fake. Yeah, right. Twitter. People had doctored up photos to make themselves look good.

I mean, there was one girl recently. She went viral. she made people believe what yeah keep going sorry she made people believe that she was in like belize or something like that and she was inside an ikea she was a youtube star and it was like a whole video behind the scenes and she like put all these pictures up like with all these trees and like this bamboo around her and she was and then in the video then she's like i fooled you all i wasn't on any sort of vacation i was inside an ikea in like demoyne iowa that's funny right but that just goes to show that like i mean i guess you could tweet about anything on twitter but like people will roast

you for it and like they'll find out i mean there's people that literally delete their twitters because people expose them true have a guy named min dog who who memes people to death on twitter you can't do that on instagram no you just put up a picture of you and your dog and people like cute my brain just my brain just understands twitter twitter's the streets it's the streets it's the streets and there's definitely negative aspects to it but instagram's like uh just fake i don't even know how to twitter is the streets which i i'm very proud that i just came up with that Instagram is like social bragging. I don't know what Instagram is.

Yeah, me either. I'm trying to put my. It's like a lunch table at high school or something. It's like. I don't agree with that. I don't know. I'm trying to like. Yeah, just saying anything.

Well, no. If Twitter's like the streets, I'm thinking of like drug deals going on and people getting shot on the street and like everything's like, oh man, I got to watch my back. And Instagram's just like, let's talk about our weekend. Like here's our pictures. Feels like. Let's, let's present only the best part of our weekend. Yes.

Right. Make you think it was this. Correct. Twitter is what happens in between the Instagrams. Twitter is like you go on a skiing trip and you tweet about how you just fell a million times and you broke your leg. But Instagram is the picture at the top with your Opry Ski and the whole fucking mountains behind you. That's the difference. But if you were in a cast, Oprey Ski with your leg up, that'd be kind of funny.

That's a large Twitter. Like you love that whole thing. It would be great. Look at me stretching in my legs. No, I'm saying if I had a broken leg and having a beer post ski trip, I think that'd be a funny picture. But pictures are more for Instagram. Right. Right.

You would maybe describe that. You would describe that what happened on Twitter and it would be more descriptive. Hashtag great weekend. You're Twitter. I don't know why we're talking about social media with Lurch. He's the worst social media guy. I'm not fired these days. Somebody emailed me.

You're trying too hard now with the hashtag. It used to be genuine. They still are genuine. No, they're not. No, they're not. Somebody can't say that sitting here your stupid green shirt. I mean, you don't like St. Patrick's Day? Why'd you take a personal shot at his green shirt?

You don't like St. Patrick's Day? That was your... That was your... You were caught. You were caught for having disingenuous hashtags. And you lashed out personally at Frankie's outfit. Hashtag lash out. That's a good one.

So tell me. That's a hash lash. Somebody emailed me. It was like, hey, I'm just catching up with a bunch of podcasts. And they're like the highlight I think in the history of the show was Lurch responding to Frankie and going, what's your big hashtag? Genuinely question. What's your go-to? What's your big hashtag?

How about this one? This is from Lurch. Islanders should win this game with the one. wild weekend inside the Rangers organization. However, if the Rangers win, hashtag hello spring hockey, hashtag hello playoffs, hashtag streak, hashtag NYR, hashtag New York Rangers.

That's disingenuous. You were never doing it like that. Spring of 94. Spring of 94, maybe is the best time in the history of the world. You were never saying hashtag hello spring hockey. Why not? Because you just weren't. Hello spring hockey.

What's better than a TV outside, couple beers, and the playoffs? I get that. I don't hate hashtag hello spring hockey. But that's what I'm talking about. That's kind of fun. You don't like that? And then hashtag hello playoffs?

Yes. I mean, that's pretty good. I think that those are fine. Sorry, I'm original. No, no. Here's the thing that you're missing. Those are fine. That's funny things to say.

But you weren't doing that until we brought up the fact that your hashtags are like a funny, quirky thing. No, you're doing it too much now. You're doing it too much now. Well, that's your opinion. Hashtag blocking pucks. Hashtag tendi. Hashtag hockey.

Hashtag Jersey sports fan. Yeah. That's too much. It's up to you. It used to be funny when it was one. All right. What's your big hash? Yeah, what's your big hashtag?

Hashtag Pucks go this way than that? All one hashtag that was. Well, that was the tip drill. Pavelsky was doing tips in front of the net. It was amazing. Couldn't believe any goal he could stop in that. Just admit it that now each time you do a hashtag, you think about it. Like, oh, what's going to be a funny hashtag?

No, I don't do that. Oh, bullshit. You're like, oh, go on, go on. Oh, the world. Those are my hashtags. I'm lurchy hashtags. So you're going to be like, I'm going to come up with a couple of funny ones. What's going to be a couple of funny ones?

But as soon as I write them, then I think about the hashtag. No, I just think about it. Oh, shut up. I will say, is that not possible? You think like, oh, I'm going to hit them with a funny hashtag. No. Oh, fuck you. Referring to yourself in the third person in a hashtag is stunning.

What did I do? I don't know. I've seen lurchy hashtags before. I haven't wrote lurchy hashtags. Whatever. We're talking way too much about this. Yeah. Check out my hashtags.

All right, boys. That was fun. Great time. Honda Classic this week, Bear Trap. The Bear Trap ranks as the third toughest three-hole stretch on 12. We like Carnage a lot on this show. It's behind only, number 16 through 18 at Quail Hollow and numbers 8 through 10 at Pebble. I know 8 through 10 at Pebble are tough, but I didn't realize that they're that tough.

The Honda Classic Field is a combined 3,629 over par across the bear trap, and only 4,934 over par across all other 15 holes at PGA National. So you're going to see a ton of bogeys, doubles, balls in the water, on holes 15, 16, and 17. this week at the Honda Classic. Enjoy it. We'll be back next week. Hit it hard. Hit it hard.

Hit it hard.