Fore Play - “Did Dustin Johnson just hit the greatest shot ever hit?” w/Brandel Chamblee

Episode Date: January 9, 2018

Golf Channel analyst Brandel Chamblee joins the show for a record third time to defend his scorching hot take that Dustin Johnson's drive on Kapalua's 12th hole is the greatest shot ever hit. Also get into plenty of Tiger talk and rolling back the golf ball. In from the gallery, the gang discusses if you'd rather make 9 birdies and 9 bogeys or just 18 pars, why Justin Thomas tweets the way he does, would you play Augusta if you had to play opposite-handed, and more!!!You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

Hey, 4Play listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcast, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. The boys right off the top here, Frankie Brelloey, Pizza Maker, Trent Daddy. Hello. Slim Trent. Yeah, I've been working out a lot and eating well. It's not BDT for long. It's Slim Trent.

We'll see how long I can keep it up. I like this thing that I've started doing with the elliptical, where people send me pictures of them doing the elliptical. And so now I feel like I have a pressure to keep doing the elliptical. So let me ask you this. I saw a bunch of tweets people chirping you about wearing yoga pants this morning. Yeah. Were those just sarcastic chirps because it didn't look anything like yoga pants that you were wearing? Yeah, so I couldn't really decide either, but since I've been doing the elliptical, I get a lot of chirps that like only girls can use the elliptical.

I've been getting a lot of those, which isn't true. Not true at all. We used to, when I played division one college, I saw you at Harvard, no big deal. We used to do the elliptical all the time. So I think that's what that guy was getting at. He's like, oh, only girls is easy. It must be wearing yoga pants. I was clearly wearing gym shorts.

I was not wearing yoga pants. Yeah, it turns out like running is actually really bad for your back and your shins and stuff too. Elliptical, you kind of just float there. Well, every time I, like, quote tweet somebody saying their ellipticals are for women only, a lot of athletes respond like, hey, if you've ever had any sort of knee injury or anything like that, everyone uses the elliptical. I haven't had any sort of knee injury, but I just like the elliptical more than the other treadmill. Yeah, and you just kind of retweet those all day just to gain support.

Yeah, it's easy. Yeah. I like it. We got a big show this week. It is now week two of 2018. We had Tiger Woods announcing a couple dates for his first, uh, two tournaments that he's going to play, all within basically the next month. We had Dustin Johnson just destroyed everybody at Capulua, which we're going to get into.

We have Brandl Chambley joining the show for a record third time. Is that a record track? That is a record, yes. He gets a record. He had a very hot take. Kisner might be up there too, but Brandl's up there too. Kis might be two or three times. We still might even talk to Kiz.

We'll see. He's got a big game tonight that everybody's going to be, that'll be, have already happened when people are listening to this. But, you got Brandel on. He had a super hot take that Dustin Johnson's drive. on the par 412 hole yesterday was the greatest shot ever hit ever in golf ever that's a take that's a big time anytime anytime you say just ever you're up for and i you know i went on discussion i saw him on twitter tweeting about it and i was like maybe he's doing a little like uh you know sipping some scotch and tweeting who knows i go on golf channel he it was all over a golf channel like greatest shot ever hit so i like brandle you got to come on the show and defend that he's like i'm on it so we got brandle chambly on uh we got to say that

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with the Salute Military Golf Association of New England to begin teaching yoga to post 9-11 vets with PTSD. Look, we got our boy Chaps and Kans who run Zero Blog 30. They put out a ton of awareness for this type of stuff. Our country needs heroes.

Heroes are fantastic. It would be nowhere without them. When they come back, we've got to help them as much as we possibly can. All she's trying to do is very simple. Trying to raise $1,000 for yoga equipment. So here's what you do. GoFundMe.com. Just type in the search bar, yoga mats for vets. Boom, it's going to pop up. You're going to see her stuff. Go in, help her out. Meredith's awesome.

She's doing really good stuff. We are also going to include the link on our Twitter account so you can find it there. And on top of that, I want to read another shout out from our guys. I love when people follow us internationally. That's like my favorite thing for whatever reason. I feel like just has an extra special meaning. So this is from Sam. This is from a while back. I missed it. Just saw it. He wants me to shout out the OCF. He said this, hey, Riggs, love the podcast. All Things Barstool, I'm all the way from the UK. One of you give a shout out on next week's podcast to the On Course Foundation.

It's a charity that gets wounded servicemen playing golf and possible enjoyment on both sides of the pond. After I got injured in Afghanistan, 2012, I thought all sports were gone. Started playing to the OCF once I was back up on my feet again. Fell in love with it, only sport which enables you to play on a level playing field with those who are not disabled. That's great. It's true. Golf is fantastic for all sorts of different skill levels to play against each other. Also great to keep the military sense of humor going and keep a touch with you, Yanks, who we served with. Love the sport. Love you guys at Barstool.

So go to OnCourse Foundation.com. Show those guys some love. Both of those folks are doing really, really good things. Okay, we're on to headlines. Like we said, big week. We set it up top. Let's start with DJ. I think DJ really is in a, I think he's in a category with one of,

other guy and that's Rory, that when they have their A game, either one of them, they're basically unbeatable. I was thinking back to, think about where we were August 2014. I was just looking up when he was serving that suspension for, I don't know if we ever really got full disclosure on it. So if you think it was cocaine. That's just universally agreed upon, I think, Trent. I agree with that.

One of those things. I agree with that. He dabbled in many sorts of things like that, but I think cocaine was universally. Yeah. I think he just did one. Right. He was suspended for like the. fun drugs.

Yes. So if you think back to that, he's obviously been a very, always been a very talented player. But if you think back to that, you don't know where his career is going to go after that. It could go anywhere. He could be what he is now, which is top player in the world,

or he could just, like, flame out and be nothing. It's really quite amazing to see where he is now and the way he plays the game. That 433-yard shot was amazing. Unbelievable. Unbelievable. I was mesmerized. It was awesome.

Don't get me wrong. It was awesome. Now, I'm getting a little defensive over it, because Brandel with this greatest shot of all time thing. So take out that ridiculous statement and just like look at the shot. It is one of like, it's one of the best shots you'll see. It was one of the best shots you'll see. It was wild because in real time as the ball was rolling and bounding down towards the hole.

And I realized it was going right towards the hole. I was like, oh, this is one of the, this is an unbelievable. This is a shot we're going to talk about like forever. And it looked like it should have gone in. It was on a heater. I can't believe it stopped. Did it go through a puddle? This thing, this thing went so fast towards the hole and then just stopped.

If you look at it, like if you look at the ball, halfway across the green. It's cooking. It's like it almost needs to hit the pin or it might go over the green. Yeah, I'm like this thing is like way over the hole. It was nuts. Unbelievable shot. Unbelievable drive.

Oh, and what I was also saying was like, Paulina, again, she's one of my favorites, but the picture she was posting this weekend. You're thinking, like, I don't think Dustin Johnson's life could get any better, like at all. He went to Hawaii. He won the tournament of champions, made like $1.2 million. He goes home to the rented place in Hawaii. and Pauline is there. Like, what?

He is, he is living his best life as opposed to, it could have gone anywhere after, what, August 2014, and now we're here, and it seems like nothing has gone, everything's gone right for him. Yeah, he's too. I mean, he's like.

So would you rather be anyone else than Dustin Johnson right now? In the game of golf? Like you personally, you too, not like, no, I think that's perfect. I would rather be DJ than anyone. He seems happy to, right? Like, everybody loves to talk about,

like, oh, DJ, people always beat around the bush. Like, oh, DJ, I don't know, he's not necessarily the thinking thing. He's just dumb. Is basically what everybody likes to say. They call it says he has a short memory. Right. So I think he's got like, yeah, they always go, well,

isn't it nice to have a short memory? They're like chirping him to his face. Like, DJ, you're dumb ass. Isn't that nice? So I think that like ignorance is bliss type of thing. And you're like a 6-4, 6-5 freak athlete, good-looking guy. He's got Paulina. His A-game is, I think, better than probably

and else on planet Earth. I mean, this stat from this past week, he won by 8 this week and finished, you know, whatever it was, 2400. par. He only made three putts outside of nine feet. That's, I mean, he just was hitting the ball. The numbers were stunning. I mean, they were just shocking. He basically beat the field by almost double digits with his driver.

This is essentially what happened. And that's just you can't compete with that. There's certain guys that can't compete. Fucking Brian Harmon's hitting good drives out there. DJs almost goes in the hole on a par four. Brian Harmon's got like an 80-yard wedge in. Like, what do you can't do? His drives are unbelievable.

By the way, I, like, was looking up, like, all the craziest drives in, like, the history of golf. And, like, Davis Love used to fucking rope the ball. Dude, they were showing some video. He hit one 476 years. I think it's the furthest shot in PGA tour history. It was in the 2004 Mercedes Champ, round four on the 18th. He hit a ball 476 yards. There's, like, no video of it either.

I, like, looked for it. And that's, like, back in the day, too, where they didn't, they just weren't big freaks like there. They didn't have the big giant heads on their drivers. That's 40 yards further. than what Dustin Johnson did yesterday. And he just doesn't, like, DL3 doesn't come off as, like, this, this, like, savage athletes.

He's almost like a country club, like, kind of, you know? Watch these videos of him swinging. It's, like, his back is going to break. He's swinging so hard. Those videos, too, he didn't have a hat on. His flow was, like, it's insane. It's like, it in the wind.

I was like, oh, man. Look at this guy. Has Dustin Johnson completely come away from the person that he was, like, when he was, like, three putting to lose the U.S. Open, like, like, you're, like, you're completely just, like, that part of him is just gone. In China a few weeks ago, well, a few months ago now, a couple months ago, he blew like a five or six shot lead on Sunday. And his event similar to this where guys go low every day.

So his final round, he was like 75 or maybe five strokes over par or something on his final round and got like lapped by the field after having a five or six shot lead. But he's kind of gotten over. I mean, when he won the U.S. Open at Oakmont a couple years ago and overcame that controversy on the front nine when they called in the viewer bullshit, it was kind of. kind of like, okay, he's solidified it now. And now you have this. It's just like, when he's on, it's dominating. Yeah. You don't have that thought anymore.

It's like, well, Dustin's like up there so it's not really done yet. And the golf commentators, too, they were making the comments like, well, you know, Dustin, there used to be a little concern about kind of his extra work ethic and stuff, which is them saying, like, he's a clown, like party boy. Right. And now they were like, he's really turned the corner. They were saying, God, I came here was like, Mark Rolfing. And one of the guys on the ground was like, yeah, Dustin's,

been out here for two weeks and every day that I've been around him he's been grinding on the course I mean I think he just works his dick off now right you know and that's bad news for everybody else because when you're a party boy whatever you can be inconsistent but now that he's just working he's going to fucking blow feels away. The tour like those guys in order to compete and need DJ to

like relapse back into like chaos basically otherwise they I mean they're like we're fucked we got no chance guys a giant 6'5 freak who hits the ball to an inch on 433 yard part 4 can you imagine stepping up to the T-box against him on Sunday just like look at this fucking guy. I mean, it's like he turns it into like an athletic feat where it's like a regular guy

goes up to him. Like, I mean, even Jordan Speed like looking up to him. It's just like, all right, this guy's going to bring the game today. Like, this guy is a huge monster that's going to drive the ball next to the hole from 436. I mean, him and Brian Harmon staying next to each other on the T-boxes was like laugh out loud. It's insane. Like, dude, you have, you cannot beat this guy. You're not even close. It looked like DJ brought his kid out to like play golf. Right. And got signed in that sport, but he's like turning it into like this thing where it's like he's to win because it's just bigger and he can hit hit it further and he's just better another thing i just love about dj is that he plays lightning fast yeah like usually between shots i never like even like

yeah usually they're able to get all kinds of like b-roll and kind of set the stage after the first guy hits because dj always hits second yeah he's obviously way for the little joke about him like hitting it further than everyone else for all those that didn't catch that i look off kind of like you know you had to get there on that one i like i laid the foundation you i've got charted about that like oh like i guess I'm going to be hitting, like, second because I'll be hitting it all day. That's a classic goal. That's a classic goal. I'm not going to hit his phone.

Cool. You hit it further. I do. Wow. So usually they have time to, like, set the stage. Guys go through their whole pre-shot routine. They're throwing wind up, or they're throwing grass up in the air. They're changing clubs and all that.

DJ, I mean, less than, like, 10 seconds after the other guy hits, DJ's already hitting this ball. Which is the way it should be. Fly up there and hit. So I always, that gives, that gives DJ like five extra points in my book that he plays lightning fast. Another thing we got to comment on, primetime golf is just awesome. Yes, we talked about that last episode.

You said you didn't like these tournaments as much because it makes you want to play badly. And I said I like primetime golf, and I think that outweighs, you know, wanting to play so badly. I think Trent Daddy was right. Primetime golf, it's just, you know, it feels like it's a commitment to watch golf when it's on in the late afternoon. You know, it's almost like you're sacrificing watching something else. Yeah. This was like everything else was over. There's nothing going on.

I was laying on my couch. It's Sunday at like 6, 7 p.m. And all of a sudden, Dustin Johnson is on these cliffs in Hawaii, like almost hauling out from 433, and I'm just laying there on the couch watching golf. It was awesome. I almost wish they could never do it, obviously. I want every tournament to be like that. That's what I want.

I wish they would play all the tournaments in Hawaii. Well, it's, you know, they tried that those little shenanigans with the tape delay stuff, but now with the interwebs. Well, yeah, you can't do that. There's just no chance. I looked it up. Davis Love the 3rd, 476. It's a longest driving PJ Tour history.

It's insane. Ever? Holy Dustin Johnson is number four, 463 at TPC Boston. Jeff Sleuman is number two, and Charlie Hoffman is number three. Really? Wow, where at? 467 of the Texas Open. I'm really surprised nobody at Austin at the match play.

I feel like that tournament every year, I think is it TBC Austin or whatever, that one with the bridge? They always hit these crazy drives there that go like 440, 450. I remember DJ and John Rom. Speaking of John Rom, he finished second. week he had a couple great clips yesterday we just talked last week about how golf really needs a villain you talked that into existence i want john well that's true i want john rom to be the villain and people were like well actually he's really good buddies was that doesn't really matter as long as he's not like outwardly like that as long as he's not like high-fiving guys on the course

and stuff which he's not yesterday he's slamming drivers he's yelling his golf ball he's throwing clubs it's awesome well and he's wearing a visor now which is villain 101 when it comes with bubble Watson. You wear a visor, it's a little different. That is really interesting. I was thinking, uh, Polter, visor guy. Viser guy. Viser guy. Baba. Baba, Viser guy. Billy Horshull's not. But, you know, who is, who was always

kind of a villain, as Rory Sabatini would wear visors a lot. Also true. He was a visor guy. Or he was a, yeah, he was a visor guy. So if it sets up too perfectly for John Rom, it's going to, I think that is, he's going to be the villain. That makes sense. He's not an American guy. I think John Rom looks preposterous in a visor. He does. Proposterous. He's like, it looks like, it looks like, It looks too small because he's a large

He's like frumpy. It looks like one of those things that keeps the pizza box from hitting the cheese. It looks like on the top of his head. That's what it looks like. Especially if people were taking the pictures on their TV and everything's like all the proportions are blown up. You look preposterous. Oh, and me and Marina are social media girl. We call him General Rom because he looks with the sideburns.

He looks like a Civil War general. Oh, that's your guy's little thing? That's me and Marina's thing. Because I saw somebody text about that and I didn't know what the fuck was going on. I googled it. I didn't get anything. Yeah, because there's nothing because it's between me and Marina. When he's got the sideburns going, he looks like a Civil War General.

That's great. Yeah, he's got a weird body. We got to figure his body out. I didn't fully understand it until we went to the Masters. And when you see him, he is built like a brick shit house. Yeah. Like, it's not, like, Dustin Johnson's big and he's lanky. There's some smaller people out there.

Or even, like, Patrick Reed is a bigger guy. Yeah. But John Rahm is big and just like big as a house. Yeah. He is a big guy. Ernie Elles, I feel like she's just like a big guy too. I think they're very similar. Yeah.

I think you've got similar body. They almost got like a yarmor-yager type body kind of thing going on. Just big old guys. Just big bodies. Forward play guys we had in the field, you know, in order to get in the tournament champions, you had to win last year. We had Brian Harmon. We had Pat Perez. Harmon finished third.

Pat Perez finished T-4. Our boy, Kiz, finished T-17 after a good start. Kind of a shitty weekend. Kiz figured it out. Kevin Chappell finished 21st and Wesley Brian finished T-27. All those boys won last year. like that. I like having winners on the pop. Me too. Pat Perrin started out real hot. Yeah, he did. Then he started swearing on his ball.

PP. Yeah, I saw him. He had some crazy pants on yesterday, too. Yes, he does. Like checkered pants with like black pockets on like white pants. It was a crazy outfit because he didn't want to get sunburned on the back of his legs. Oh, boy. Oh, boy. Tiger Fusion Woods. Going to start at Torrey Pines, January 25th. And then he's going to head over about two, two and a half weeks after that over to Riviera for the Genesis. open. This is very predictable. Now, one thing that I'm laughing at is we're starting to get a bunch of, is Torrey Pines too tough for Tiger, basically? I saw a couple of columns. I think one was on Golf Channel, a couple others floating out around there that, you know, Tiger should ease it in other places. Look, Tiger Woods is one professional golf tournament at Torrey Pines eight times. Eight. He won a U.S. Open, and he's won this event there seven times. He's won world junior

championships at Tori Pines. He grew up. right down the street from Torrey Pines. It's not too tough for Tiger Woods. He's going to be fine. It's just not too fucking tough. Now, going into it, I want to get into a little bit of this with Brandl, so we didn't have to go into it too much, but there is a massive difference between driving the golf ball like a Greek god,

like he did a couple weeks ago down at in the Bahamas at the Hero World Challenge where they have very wide fairways down there versus Tori Pines is, you know, it's a U.S. Open venue. It was there in 2008. They're going back to it. next decade I think when it at 2021 something like that they're going back to Torrey Pines

3S Open it's got some narrow fareways it's got some intense rough it's a tough golf course so I'm very curious to see if he can drive it as well as he did in the Bahamas at Torrey that's going to be a big ticket 2021 at Tori they're going back there but it's

exciting Tiger looks like he's going to have a pretty full schedule he said he wants to have a full schedule whether that happens or not but he released his blog and all that he So yeah, I mean, I don't know really what else you can say other than this is kind of what we expected. But right now, now it's wait and see. Now it's like, let's see him actually play again and see if he can do it.

Do you feel like this is different than the Hero World Challenge? You know, because we get super hyped up. We do all this justification in our brains. Like, well, it's only 18 people, but it's, you know, a bunch of the top 30 players in the world, blah, blah, blah, blah. This is different now, right? I think it is a real tournament. The difficulty of the course is huge. I think.

Yeah. Yeah, and I think we're going to know pretty quickly what we're looking at. Like, within the first nine holes, we're going to be like, this is going to go well or it's going to be a fucking disaster. Because it was a disaster last year. Right. Disaster. Disaster. Played terrible.

You still want him, like, just pointing it's like a ball's OB. It's just like you don't want to start seeing that. Like the hero, like you were saying, is wide open. He had a lot of confidence stepping up at the T-box. Tori Pines is like, I'm not saying I'm very, very confident in him going to Tori Pines. So I guess you are. I am. I am nervous again.

I'm not nervous, but I'm nervous. I'm not nervous. but I know that this is the one that's going to make or break his... That's why I'm nervous. Like, I thought he'd get through the hero no matter what, right? This could be like... This could be a roadblock. Well, Hero World Challenge almost feels like we're playing with House Money.

Like, if he does well, great. If he doesn't do well, but he makes it through, that's fine. Now Torrey Pines, you're not fucking around anymore. Full field, tough course, major championship-type venue. He's won here eight times. Like, if he plays like shit, it's like, oh, no. What is... What are you comfortable or...

What are you looking forward to for him? What's the best outcome for Tiger Woods going to the Torrey Pines? I need to see him. I'm going to be focused on him driving the golf ball because he's one of the greatest iron players of all time and he always will be. And I think he can always figure that shit out. It's if he starts driving the ball like a psychopath. Right. Off the property and shit, then we're in trouble.

I think his putting was good enough. You know, the greens change a little bit in terms of speed and different types of grasses they use at different venues. But for the most part, if you can put well at. the Hero World Challenge, or the Greens are running really fast and all that, which he did putt really well. I think his putting is going to be fine. I think his iron game's going to be fine. I'm worried about his driving, and I'm worried about his short game. Those goddamn yips.

Right. So if he comes out and he's driving the ball again solidly and he's chipping the ball consistently, then I'm going to feel really good going into the entire year. He doesn't have to be flawless, just, like, solid. So there's no number? No, because it's mostly the eye test with him, you know? Like even that that 75 that he shot on Saturday at the Hero World Challenge that kind of took him out of the tournament, when I saw that number,

at first I panicked and then when I went back and watched he actually was hitting the ball fine he just kind of misclubbed a little bit and all that so um so anyways that's what I've got going into that we'll probably get into it a little bit more with Brandel which we always do we always chatted up with Brandl yeah also I don't think we talked about this but Tiger

separated from Chris Como his swing coach right before Christmas he's on his own now on his own with a lot of rumblings a lot of rumors that I'm being sent I don't think anyone's ever sent me a DM by the way a source and has been correct about anything. Remember the guy who sent us it was a few months back

who said Tiger was retiring? Retiring. And then he didn't. Wouldn't be more wrong. No, and then he didn't retire or he had maybe said, oh,

he had said that like, I do foresee something where I'm maybe not going to play again. And the guy damned us back and he was like, see, fucking see. Can't believe you guys didn't run it.

We were like, what are you talking about? And then like a week after that tiger's like, I'm back, I'm playing again. Never heard from the guy. I can't believe you guys didn't run it.

Like, what is that? You should run it. I was like, We run what? The Don Byer's story, though. Oh, that's true. But that was like a direct email. That wasn't even like, that wasn't like a source report.

That was a story that was so insane that we just chose not to believe it until it was proven. But I did run it. I did run it. We did run it. We talked about it on the podcast. We had speculation, though. Yeah, we had speculation. Shout out to the folks at Bellevue, by the way, who sent us a little bit of merch.

Yeah, we got, we got Don Byers home or college golf squad sent us merch. Really? Really? We got six shirts. And I also ordered. Is that something that was going to just not, like, was I just going to find that out here? Yeah, you kind of just got screwed. I think there's only two shirts.

She sent us two shirts. What are you want us to do? I got a crew of shirts. They're just T-shirts that say Bellevue University on them. And what you just about to say? I also ordered a crew neck. Dude, their merch on their website. And those crew neck is, what do they call it?

What are they called again? They're the Bruins. Oh, Melvue Bruins. Oh, man. It's like purple. Yeah. Purple and black. No, I think they're purple and gold or something.

I thought Don Byer said purple and black. He did. and then he emailed and said, I got a lot to learn. I'm getting roasted for saying we're purple and black, but we're actually purple and gold. Down buyers doesn't know his college color. Yeah, purple and gold. Purple and gold.

But, man, their merch, if you go to the Bellew University and look at their merch for their athletic stuff, fire. They have a lot of merch for Belle View University. It's crazy. It's great. I don't know if they have like an unbelievable alumni network or something, but their merch options are like better than most colleges I've ever seen. Every one of their crew necks, and there's like 20 of them,

comes in three different colors with different, designs. It's insane. It's just a white crew neck and it just says in purple, Bellevue across it, it's fire. That's the one when you said crew neck, I thought they had sent you that. That's the one that I remember we looked. We were all looking over Trent's shoulder a couple weeks ago. I spent like $45 on a Bellevue University crewneck.

I can't wait. When Dodd is teeing it up, we are going to be head to toe in our Bellevue gear and we're going to be jacked up for those days. I can't wait to wear it around people, like, why are you wearing what is that? And be like, well, a 61-year-old college golfer. Let me tell you something. Yeah, I also got a little insider info that, like, Don is, like, probably going to be the number two guy on the team. Like, he's not maybe going to make it. He's, like, their ace.

Yeah, we heard back from somebody that was, like, Don's being modest. Like, he's going to be playing. He's going to make the team. He's going to be playing in every tournament. He's going to be one of their top guys. Like, it's going to be a real thing. Yeah, I believe it was Alex, who was the nephew that reached out. I think that's his name who was like, yeah, he's being modest.

Like, he's like, he's a big part of the team. He's sick. So Don's like, he's our guy. He's one of the Bellevue Bruins's go-to golfers. Justin Thomas, real quick. Bones, he's got Jim Bones-McKye, Phil's old caddy on the bag this week at Wiley at the Sony Open. So I guess JT's caddy, Jimmy Johnson, out with plantar fasitis,

which is, there's no way I said that correctly. Is that turf toe? It's basically severe pain on the bottom of the heel, which is, you know that sensation you get sometimes? Oh, it's the worst. When you put that down, I'm trying to do it. right now but when I looked it up I was like oh that's it but I guess he's got like a severe bad

case of it where he's got a boot on his foot and he's out for like the healing time is like three to 12 months holy shit yeah which I mean ACL's like nine months he's out for three to 12th this stuff sucks I'm telling you like anything with your heel you gotta start like it's just one of those things

that never goes away and you gotta rub your you gotta rub the heel in like a golf ball they say all like my dad has this he has like a problem with his heels your dad would have this I know too he'd he would use it to grab some like a legal advantage out there. Right. Of course.

You get to, like, bury his foot into the ground on every shot or something. Or, like, he's just allowed to, like, kick the ball because, like, he has, like, his heel hurts. He's able to just extend his foot within, like, whatever. But, yeah, he's always, like, sitting at home watching TV, like, rubbing his, like, he's just, like, on a golf ball because it kind of, like, just, like, breaks it up or whatever it does. I don't know if it's the exact thing, but the pictures I'm looking at, it's pretty damn

sad. Yeah, that's like when you would roll out and sport, you know, when your legs get all kind of, like, lack to us. You roll out. He's, like, rolling out his foot. But I think this planner fasciitis, I think that may be the way to say it, by the way, boys. Faciitis? Fasciitis.

I believe that's just turftoe. If you've ever heard of turfto. A lot of football guys get turftoe. It's also called policeman's heel. Oh. So there you go. Were they running their heels or something? I don't know.

It's fucking right here. Planner fasciitis. I mean, I still think that that's the way you say it. Okay. I feel like facitis sounds a lot. I don't know why I'm saying fashias. Am I correct? Fash is definitely in there.

We got radio Brennan over here giving the heads up like he knows. He doesn't know. But it's also. called police men's view. He does know. Bones is ready to get back though, huh? So, Bones, I'm shocked by that. Me too.

Aren't you a little surprised by that? When I saw that, I thought it was a hypothetical. Like when somebody was like, hey, maybe Bones will jump on JT's bag. It's like, no, he fucking loves working for the Gull Channel. He's really good at it. But no, he's ready to get back in the mix. Didn't Bones have like double knee replacements and all of that? That was part of the narrative of him.

Because we never really got the answer why him and Phil split. There was a little bit of information that we didn't get. They were both a little cagey about. it but then the knee surgery was also like this is why he's you know off the bag now but yeah he's he's gonna be jop it right back on i guess so that's interesting what is that does do people see that as like a fuck you to golf channel a little bit or no you know not a fuck you but like uh like not much respect for your you know you're just like yeah no i'm not going to be on the cover just because i'm just going back to cat i wonder if they they must have had a conversation beforehand

where bones is like if i'm if i can hop on a bag i'm gonna hop on a bag like he didn't give him some sort of commitment where he's like i'm doing this full time now. It's kind of like when an assistant pro at a nice golf club is like, I'm going to go play in this event for a couple days. Can I take off work? They're like, yeah, sure. But so he's a golf guy. He's going to be on the bag for the Sony and then he's going to go right back to Golf Channel? I mean,

what happens if J.T. won. J.T. won here last year. What if he wins? Bones would be like, oh, yeah, we won. We got this great partnership, but I'm just, I'm going to go back to talking about golf on TV instead of being a part of it. No chance. No chance. If they win, there's no chance. No chance. They got like this great rapport. Bones giving fantastic

numbers out there, great advice. Reading the shit out of greens he's going to be exmalulator no chance it's pretty pretty awesome for j t to be like hey bones hop on my back like that's pretty cool like yeah it's happening it's nice to have that yeah it's nice to be able to do that expert one of the great caddies like of the age is just walking around with a microphone like ready to caddy at any moment what is that he i don't know that's nice you know j t's even more hyped up about which this will come up after it but fucking albama is playing tonight you guys do you tweet about it he tweeted about today you guys comma comma comma A comma?

Happy game day, comma, you guys. It's fucking infuriating. It didn't make me mad until you had brought it up and then you look at it and you're like, why? Like, why are you doing the, you guys? Like, I think that's how he says it. Happy game day, you guys. Do you get tagged in those, Pete, no?

Yeah, I just get flooded with just like, at Frankie Brelly, I can't miss it now. I wonder if he knows that you just can't stand that tweet format. I think I get tagged in so many times that he has to realize that there's a reason why this random person just keeps getting tagged in this one tweet every week. My favorite feud is Frankie Borelli against the way that J.T. tweets about Alabama football games. It's so annoying. Just like, get over yourself with that tweet.

You think it shows like, what do you think it's a cocky tweet? It's a cocky tweet. It's such a cocky tweet. I don't think, and I don't think he is saying it like game day, you guys. I think it's like game day, you guys. No, I think it's like you guys. Happy game day, you guys. Yeah.

It's just like... Who do you think... You guys are? Is that just like... Roll Tide Nation or whatever that fuck they call that time? I don't have a problem with who he's projecting it, too. I have a problem with the way he's doing it. The comma is infuriating.

Do you wish he got rid of... Comma, you guys altogether? Yes. Okay, yeah. Like, happy game day? Huge. I love it. I love that.

Right, because you guys... He doesn't need you guys. You know you're saying it to somebody. That's what Twitter is. It's just extra... Like, you're literally, you can't be saying it to, like, not you guys. That's not possible. That's exactly what I mean.

It's right. It's redundant. It's like happy game day. It's like you read it in parts. Happy game day. Okay, he said it to you guys. And then you continue to read. You guys.

You guys. It's like you just said that with the happy game day. You guys implied. That's us. That's why we're on Twitter. It's like a double you guys. Right. Right.

That's exactly what it is. It's redundant. You guys, you guys. That's exactly what this. It's like the Los Angeles Angels Angels. Angels. Right. Exactly.

Exactly what it is. But it's more. I got to the bottom of it. I didn't understand. But now that you said it like that. Right. Yeah. You guys is implied.

So it's a double-y-guards. I never had a problem with who he was saying it, too. I always know the guys were the ones he was saying. Completely unnecessary double you guys. But you're saying, happy game day. Okay, now just end it there. We are talking to you guys to say you guys again. Now we're saying you guys twice.

So, you know what? I hope he loses. All right. I'm on Georgia for kids. But we had a little controversy because I didn't realize Bubba was also on social media talking about Georgia tonight. Oh. He wore Georgia socks. And then he just, I don't know if he saw that.

George just saw such a bubble way Like, well, get the fuck out of here. And then he tweeted something, this could be controversial. I don't know if we want to talk about it, but he tweeted one hour ago. He took a picture with Tim Tebow, and he said, Tim Tebow is so cute. That's what he said.

Which is fine. Which is fine, but. Thoughts and prayers for Tim Tebow. I don't think you want another guy calling you. It can't be cute, right? That's like not a sweet thing. Well, I don't, it doesn't matter either way, but Bubba Watson is a, is a Christian man.

So I don't know how much he loves that idea. I just don't think being like a guy You know I don't think like another guy calling you cute Is like sweet I'd be like That's like if a chick sends you like A really sexy picture and you're So we just had a moment here in the podcast studio

Trent started I think Were you shitting on the Christian faith there? No I was pointing out some of their Their principles and I was talking about Tim Tebow And Boba Watson calling Tim Tebow cute And Christianity you mentioned Yeah

And the whole thing The whole system shut down The whole studio just like went went dark. There was a moment where I thought I just went deaf. Like, we wear these really nice headphones and everything's super loud. And all of a sudden it was like, boom. And I was just like, I'm dead.

If you're kind of a spiritual, religious person, you might find Trent, maybe you just, maybe you don't go there. It's a different aura in the room right now. Yeah, that was weird. That was pretty weird. I'd like to apologize for that. I mean, I don't know if that's on you or not, but it got, things got creepy in here.

So watch out on that elliptical next time. You don't know what that thing's going to do. Shout out to the elliptical gang. Good thing you don't run on the treadmill. Those things hurt people. I will never run out of a treadmill. Right. Well, if you keep kind of like, you know, bad speaking certain things that you shouldn't, the treadmill

can just fire you off the edge of it. I crossed the line and, you know, the universe repaid me for it. Briggs, that's like you're not sitting in massage chairs. Yeah, I don't trust massage chairs. That's so insane. That's one of the most un-talked-about thing. I don't trust this one. This one's like attached to the internet.

And it legitimately... You think someone can, like, hack it and just crush you? You think Russia's going to attack it? What I asked was, could this thing actually... crush you. It was like, yeah, it actually could if you, like, so, somewhat. And then they told me it's attached to the internet, and I put two and two

together, and we're like, I'm not, I'm not going to. I think that was, like, my first like couple weeks here. I was like, the first thing I, like, knew of rigged. I remember someone saying, like, yeah, rigs won't get in that, like, massage chair. I was like, why? It's a full body, I mean, that thing's a death trap.

Might as well be a death trap. Might as well be a coffin that rubs your back. Yes, right. The thing just decides to have a bad day you're gone you can't fucking move for that thing it's so weird after i'll just wrap this up real quick after a year and like a half since that's been said i've often thought about things that can go awry in technology that can really it's like a black mirror episode or something like yeah i could really just get like really brutally hurt from this thing if someone takes it over yeah right and then yeah that's once someone told me that thing people can like control it from the internet

i was out of that fucking chair crazy all right we're moving on from the gallery we got a couple this week. We're going to start right away. We're just going to get right in. First one, would you rather make nine birdies and nine bogeys and shoot even par? Or would you rather just make 18 pars? It's a roller coaster. It is.

I don't know. It depends on what type of person you are. Are you up? I mean, because you're ending. And it doesn't say what order. It's not like you do nine birdies, nine birdies, nine bogeys. It's like they're sporadic, right? They're sporadic.

It feels like they're sporadic. I'm picking the sporadic day. Yeah, I'm going nine and nine is not even close for me. Not even close. It's just such a better day. If I end around with nine birdies, I'm like, hit me at the freaking 19th hole. I am drinking tonight. I won't even tell people what I shot.

I'm getting nine bogeys all the time. Right. So now you're just adding nine birdies to my round. You know how boring all those pars would be? Yeah. I agree. I don't even think it's close. I just 9 birdies.

You're making twos. But you're hitting, you're hitting great shots. Imagine every other hole you play, you make birdie. That's a day. That's a day. So you are sure you walk away feeling better after 9 birdies and 9 bogeys and 18 pars. I am, yeah. Yes.

I think I feel better about my game if I get 18 pars. Nine bogeys, I feel like fuck. Nine birdies, it feels like you're not consistent. This is like comparable to like being in like the crypto world and like old finance, right? So it's like one way is like very just like simple and you're just going to do it and you know where you're going to end up. And the other way is like a fucking roller coaster. I'm getting seven bogey. We're crypto guys.

Like we are crypto guys and you're like old money. That's fine. I'm not a crypto guy. I'm going to keep all of my old money. Old money trend. Just like just relying on like it's three to a half percent every year. Laying up. Laying up.

Like laying up. That's my feelings. No, you're laying up. You're like putting close. You're making your par. And we're like we're going for the pin. Frankie and I are in the rough We're chipping one

That's moving at the pen And like hits the pin and drops it in I'm hitting nuts I'm dribbling a shot off the tee And still making birdie Because I'm like sinking it in from like 180 yards out And that's like finding like ripple at 25 cents

That's like that's like Right meanwhile you haven't even checked your portfolio In 10 years, Treads That sounds like me Yeah you haven't checked your portfolio in 10 years Because you know where you're going to end up Like I'm just going to be consistent I'm going to move throughout the day

And I'm going to end up here I take these These are compliments I feel like you're not making fun of that house. Yeah, you could take them either way. We're just, we're just, it's just a way of approaching. It is a philosophical question. I will say that if you had, if you started with nine birdies and then made nine bogeys to finish,

you beat the most devastated person in the world. Devastated, because you're like, what could I have done today? Right. You're like, I shot, like, 27 on the front nine. And then 45 on the back? What am I doing? What happened? That's just, that would be like, just, that's, that would be so, like me.

That would be so me to just, like, hit 20. I still think I would prefer that. I'd be like, it would be such a good story. Like, I shot up like 27 on the front. It's like, hey, I shot at a 72 today. It's like, oh, would you choose like 45 in the back? Like, what? Wait, what'd you hit on the front?

It's like, yeah, it was 27. It would be such an emotional roller coaster out there. Birdie, bogey, birdie, you're just rocking all over the map. All right, next one. Mike. This is from listener. He said, I have a friend that saw Rory had pinned the word roars onto his golf club. So next time we were out, we noticed my buddy, Mike, had written in Sharpie roars on his own glove.

Brutal move or awesome move. I don't hate the move of copying. I hate that Rory called himself Rores. Really? Yeah, he writes, I think it's on his golf ball, too, Roars. Like, you can't make up a nickname. No, but they can't make up a nickname. I don't think he made it up.

I don't know if he made it up. There's no way he made that up. So I say with the same amount of letters as your name. Like, you're literally taking the why out? Like, Rory is a nickname. Like, Yeah, I see what you say. That's the name enough.

Right, it's a name. It's almost like his name was like Ronald. Why did I say that? Ronald. I don't know why I said, Rory. Oh, because you were like he's European. This is probably how they say it over there.

Ronald. I literally just like, freaks of Ronald. Because I'm thinking of Rory, Ronald. We just had our first brain aneurism on the show. That was. The second. It was like Ronald. Ronald Reagan, my favorite president.

I got to be honest. But who says roars when your name's Rory? That's what I hate. I got to be honest. I did not think about it that it has the same letters as the normal name. Yeah, you cut something on. You're taking a Y out and you're putting an S. You're just changing your name.

Dumb. But I'm the first person to copy someone because I do that new thing that Jordan's beat. where I smack my glove. Yeah, but that's right. But it's not, doesn't have to do with your name. This guy is putting another guy's name on his glove, right?

I don't care. I think it's awesome. No. I think it's great. Yeah, I think it's a laugh out loud, funny move. If somebody did that,

yeah, Roy writes roars on his gloves, so I remember. It's so ridiculous that I love it. I respect it. If he did it genuinely, then it's very funny. But if he did it like,

ha, this is funny? Like, I think that's kind of weird. If he is so in love with Rory that he's like, I'm putting roars on my glove. and doesn't think about it. I think that's it. I think he was like, yeah, he's getting ready for his next round,

and he, like, saw Sharpie and was like, oh, you know what I saw? Rory writes roars on his glove. Fuck yeah. I think it's right. I'm writing roars on my glove. Plus, you know what it is, too? It's, like, equipment doesn't usually come, like, personalized.

I don't think it does come personalizing golf. Like, everyone just wear, you know what I mean? You just either wear, like, the, like, a titleless hat or whatever. So that makes it the thing that Rory has. So, like, in baseball, you want to, if you're a huge Derek Jeter fan, you buy his batting gloves. It has his logo on it. Right.

So maybe this guy's a huge Rory fan just wants it to be Rory. Right. So it's almost like it's more Rory branded than like... Correct. Than him writing like his own nickname. I hate that Rory calls himself Rores. I don't think I'll ever get over that. We have to get to the bottom of if he calls him.

I mean, he must. He writes it. Yeah, I didn't even think about that. I do, I'm confident. I've seen it on some of like when he would play the Nike golf ball. It was like he had roars and printed on the ball. I'm positive. I've seen that.

Maybe he was just in a commercial. He doesn't actually play with that. But I'm pretty positive. I just kick roars. It's almost harder to say than Rory. It's much hard. Rory sounds like a nickname. Like, for Ronal.

Did you? No, I fuck. The more I'm looking at roars, the more I hate it. It's the worst. And I love Rory. And I love Rory, but. Rory's such a great name. He was blessed with an un-ed-a-old.

You know what's great about you're a one-name guy? Right. The thing that's great about Rory is he can be a one-name guy forever. It's like when he shows him to him to-Torris. It's a great name. Roars, Macaroid. It's like, what the fuck. Yeah, and in golf, that's what we want.

We one name everybody. That's what we do. Like, even, like, even the two-name guys, like, Dustin Johnson, we, like, get him, DJ, and there's Jack, Arney. Like, you're just like, you're a one-name guy. His one-name was given to him. Why do you change it to a shittier name? Roars? What is that?

Like, why are you nicknaming Rory? It's going to suck if it comes out, like, his mom, like, you know. I know. I'm sure there is something. Roars. Roars means something, but whatever. I didn't even think about that, but Rory is. better than Roars.

Way better. Who's named Roarie? But to go back to the original from the gallery, I think it's a funny move. I do too. I like it. Next one, I forgot who said this in. I just couldn't find it. Tim.

I made that up. Okay. Tim, thank you, Tim, for the submission. Essentially, the question is, and the reason I say that is because a lot of people send these really long paragraphs where I have to, like, comb through it and figure out what the actual question is. The actual question about this is what constitutes or what justifies saying, and good shot for a really bad player.

I love this question. This is such a good question. I do this all the time. And he put a bunch of examples. Like one of them is like the guy hits a dog shit drive and he's over in the trees and then he like punches out into the fairway for like a bad golfer that's like I think you got to say good shot. Hell yeah.

You know what I mean? Yep. I may be the biggest like advocate of this. I compliment bad golfers like over the top where it's almost embarrassing. Right. Because you don't, then you're offending somebody, right? If someone hits, like, a pretty bad shot and you're like, oh, good shot. Yeah, that's like, you just offended the guy.

You just told the guy he stopped. I always do it for some reason when I play with, like, the elderly. Like, if they just, like, get it in the air. The elderly. The elderly. We're back on the elderly at the breakers or whatever. The elderly. The bridges. Yeah, when I'm at the bridges and I'm like, when you're cutting it up with the fellas at the bridges,

and you're just throwing around compliments left and right. When I'm at the bridges. By the way, have we been on this podcast since, like, the pictures started coming out? No. People have been sending in pictures of the bridges. And it, I mean, I got to be honest, you guys can comment on this. There's the, the picture of where I was and where the incident happened. How do you feel?

The picture helps your case. Okay. Because, because of this, the T-box was angled away from the green and was unusually skinny, which skinny T-box usually, and long. Right. Long, skinny T-box usually a practice range. Correct. So that helps your case.

And the fact that the guy. guy said that the practice facility is just in that area and that was the only two things in that area and I mean you know what the picture I was very happy to see the picture there were no T markers though on the T-box nothing what about like one of those little like the whole marker things that sometimes it has like a picture of the score of the hole and stuff on nothing I don't know about that I don't either yeah there wasn't a whole market thing and there and there wasn't a let me ask you that you would have no yeah let me ask you this you said you've been drinking earlier that day how drunk are we talking

I never said I was drinking that. I thought the beginning of the day you said I'd been drinking a little bit and you made like the time of the bridges. The night before. Gotcha. And by the way, the bridges is like a 4.8 at a 5. It's like the biggest scam ever. Yeah, they got to be juicing those numbers. I mean, it's a 4.8 out of 5.

It's a hot deal on golf now. The picture has like a swan like flying over. I mean, this is what they do to old people. This is how they get them. This is how they get them. This is like Happy Gilmore. Then they're hooked. Right.

This is like grandma. He hugs grandma and then he's like, my fucking, like, throws. Yeah, he's got the guy doing the throat slash face in the background. That's the stiller. Yep. They show that they show the pictures. They show like, I mean, I saw fountains. It was, I mean, the whole thing.

Yeah. So essentially, this is just really, really tough. I mean, obviously depends how bad the player is. I would say air on the side of not being, like, condescending. What? Like. But it's tough. Right. Like if you shitty golfer gets a golf ball out of a bunker, that I'm like, great shot. Like, really good out there.

It might be like, it might be a fairway bunker and the guy gets it out like 20 yards down the fairway. And I think sometimes that's like great shot. Because the alternative is the guy in the bunker hitting like four shots in a row and his days. Let me say this as a pretty shitty golfer. Number four on this list is an iron shot on a good line, but 20 yards short of the green. I love a good shot for that when people give me a good shot on that one. You do? Makes me feel good. Okay. If I, I mean, an iron shot that even goes near where I wanted to go, I'm almost expecting somebody to tell me I hit a good shot. Because it's tricky when you play with somebody's a terrible golfer and they hit one and you're stunned at first, right?

It's like online. Yeah. You're like, oh, great shot. And then it's like 20 or 30 yards short. Yeah. And you're like, oh, man, I thought it was. And the guys like, yeah, no, I mean, it was never going to be a good shot. Yeah.

You're like, imagine that person had like what you get mad at where you're like, you're telling me it's a good shot when it wasn't. Right. Imagine you paired being a shitty golfer and having that mentality. You'd have to be like the most miserable person on earth. Right. That just means you never, ever get compliments. Here's what I'll say. Totally.

Again, from the vantage point of a shitty golfer, because I am one. The more compliments, the better. Just stroke the ego so we can all have a better day. It's like when I play with the elderly and they get the ball in the air, I'm like, wow, nice shot. Yeah. Yeah. All the time. Just getting the ball in the air.

I've complimented people hitting the ball like 70 yards with a, with a, like, all. older men with like a hybrid. You know, the difference, like, when you're watching them hit, they dribble the ball, they hit it like 10 yards, and then they just get one where they just put everything into it, and then the ball's just like, it's a nice strike, and it went straight. Sounds good. It's a par four, but they're playing it, like, it's a par 11. Like, they're just trying to advance.

It is tough, though, like, it's, it is a great shot for the guy, but it's tough when he's like, that was his second shot from the fairway, and he's still, like, 50 yards behind your drive. I think that is the most important thing. You have to decide, is it a great shot? shot or are we complimenting the shot or the or are we comparing the shot to their ability? I think comparing it to their. You have to.

For everyone, I think. Across the board. Yeah. Although it is tough. They have like a 30 foot lag pot and they lag at like six feet. Somebody's like great pot. It's like, I mean, that's kind of a shitty put. Put so.

I actually don't think any compliments are deserved on the putting green. I think putting, I think putting's fair game. It doesn't matter how old you are, how strong you are, how long you hit it. Wait, you're saying... They got to earn it. Yeah, you have to earn your putts. Yeah. I'll give you a nice shot on a 30-yard chip that you just duff, but I'll never...

You know, I think it's really popular on the green is like, not bad. Like, not bad. You know, because like... People love saying not bad in leg putts. Yeah, right. It's not a bad putt. You know, that's like really... I'm still not going to make this next one.

Right. The gray area for that is massive. Right. Oh, that's not a bad put, you know, and it could be like, it could be seven feet away. It could be like three feet away. You just, you kind of drop that line. I think usually you're good on the green. Unless it goes in.

Then you've got to, you know, if you're not saying a great putt there and it goes in, you're an asshole. All right. Next one's from Ben. We've been kind of going a lot of on Augusta National ones lately. I thought this was a really good one. Said, would you rather go play Augusta National opposite-handed? So I guess this was a little trick.

I should lay it off there. You go play Augusta opposite-handed. It's a Saturday. It's a one-day deal. You got to travel all over there. And then you got to travel all the way back. afterwards and you got to pay for your own travel or you just go play your local public

course with your buddies like a normal day. This is like the easiest question. This is the easiest one I think we've had. You think so? Yes. It would be such a waste of time to go down to Augusta, pay for all my travel, and then play with the wrong hand. Yeah, because you're not even playing. Yeah, that's not, you're not going to... You're basically specating.

What am I going to shoot? 700? And then you, it's the caveat. Every time I'm like, hey, I played Augusta and like, how was it? Like, I don't know, I played opposite hand. I played righty the whole time. It's like I played the opposite hand And it was a fucking disaster That's how it was

I tore the course out Do you think we're jaded on this Because we've been there before And seen it? No Yes I do too Nope

Yes I think had we never been My answer would be different Dude Yes Because I also still don't know That it's that easy

I mean you get to Like you get to walk all the holes And play the course And like have a caddy and shit But yeah You're fucking You're gonna be terrible If you've seen it already

You're basically gonna do The same thing That you did when you saw So is it worth the whole travel thing? I don't know. You get to, like, eventually. See, for the person that's never been there, it's a dream to go to Augusta. You get to, like, cut on those greens and stuff, which, like, yeah, you're putting the opposite hand.

But, like, you could put the opposite hand. Like, you could put the opposite hand. So you get to, like, put those greens and stuff. You probably have a memory of, like, making a sweet put on, like, 17 or something. I love these hypotheticals, like, as if, like, if I'm on this goddamn golf course, I have to play opposite. Do you imagine, like, the struggle in someone's head where you're, like, on the. It's like, God damn, I just want to turn around and just fucking rip one. That alone, I'm like talking myself into it, never wanting to play after that.

Imagine if you go to the range in this hypothetical and no one in your group, like, knows that you have to play the opposite hand. It's just on the range. You just came to hit the golf ball. It's just so frustrating at you at Augusta. Like, dude, just hit record. It's like, you don't understand. I can't. I'm just not allowed.

I can't. It was an email. Just do it once. It was an email that some guy sent in. I can't do it. It was up from the gallery. I have to pull out of it. boils down to, whenever we talk about Augusta, it's like, would you have this caveat with

this, this and that, am I going to have fun? And if I'm not going to have fun, then I don't want to do it because I don't want to have a shitty memory of playing Augusta National. Playing opposite-handed, I would have a very, very shitty memory. And I paid for my travel. I don't want to do that. Yeah, I actually thought I would probably go do the one with the buddies too, but I thought I would be in the minority in that. Very, I'm perplexed. I'm, I guess that makes sense. It would fucking suck to go all the way down to Augusta, play it and shoot. Okay, here's the other one. Do you think you could break 200?

Opposite-handed? Yeah, probably not. 200 is such a ridiculous number. I mean... Here's the thing. I think I would just quit and just walk. I would quit and just start walking. That's the thing.

Maybe give me the option if you just want to walk Augusta, then maybe I would just do that. It's a nice Saturday stroll. I don't think I break a 200. That's an 11 on every hole. There's no chance I get better than 11 on every hole. I'm a lefty. If I had the swing righty,

I'd hit the ball sideways every single swing. Yeah. Did there be certain spots you wouldn't be able to get out? Like, I don't know if I'd be able to get over Ray's Creek, like, at any point. Right. Nope. Yeah, you're just out there. Just, yeah.

I just hit a billion ball. Like, it's just like, what are you on? It's just like, I'm on shot 75. I'm in hell. That's where I'm on hell right now. That's totally literally, that's like that couldn't, he literally couldn't finish the 17th hole at Sondras. Frankie Burrale has been stomping my left foot for the better part of 45 minutes.

Stopping on your left foot? Yes. Every time he makes a point and he goes boom and just hits the fuck out of my shoe. Why aren't you just stopping on the ground?

He just now noticed it's been happening for a while. What did you think that was like a cushion attached to the ground? Dude, I'm not kidding when I say I like I've been just like

flamboyantly like slapping my feet on the floor like I don't know why and I just kept hitting his like white. Trent, why were you letting this happen the whole time?

Why you say something? We finally made eye content. I'm like, is that your foot? I was wondering what was going on over there with the eye contact. You guys had like this weird moment. We were having a good time. I don't care. He looked down.

He's like, are you really going to hit my foot one more time? I just said, that was good. I had no idea any of this was going on. This is on the other side of the studio. Yeah, it must have been happening in a while. I'm sorry about that. That's totally fine, Frankie. You guys okay now?

Yes. All right. I think that's all we got from the gallery this week. Next up, we got our guy Brandlchambly. We're going to get some good stuff. All right. We are joined by our old friend for the third. time, Brandel Chambly.

We just chatted with him for a minute. Caught him just getting off an airplane, so hopefully he's a little groggy, and we can kind of, we can kind of control this conversation a little bit, Brandon. We got a little bit of a bone to pick with your hot take today that Dustin Johnson's shot, T-shot. Okay, shoot. On the 12th hole yesterday. We're getting right into it.

We are fired up about this. We are fired up about this. You called it the greatest shot in the history of the game. I look brando we've agreed on a lot of things this is one of the most preposterous takes you ever had so we got to hear we got to hear it from you I think you accused me of recency bias now I think you need to go back and look at the list I put out there and I then I want you to look at that list really close and look at what I had for four three and two those were shots from 1935,

1953 and 1960. I don't think you can accuse somebody of a recency bias who put three shots in the top four from a hundred years ago. But fair point on the Dustin Johnson, right? I was sitting there last night, and I was like, no, I think it's the greatest shot. I had some buddies around.

I was like, all right, you guys make a list. I'll make a list. You guys make a list. And I was like, what's the hardest thing to do in golf? hit it long and straight. It's the hardest thing to do in golf. Like the shortest list is the longest, straightest drivers of all time. So tell me a shot that someone ever hit longer and straighter that was more impactful.

Like the average miss from 275 yards on the PGA tour, the average miss, just average, is 90 feet from your target. 90 feet from 275 yards. that golf ball went 430 yards his playing partner world class player Brian Harmon had 152 yards left

after you got 152 plus I don't know if you guys ever played Coppola but if you get up on that 12th tee in a crosswind like there's no reference point where to aim

and 10 12 yards left to where his ball landed maybe 15 is lost ball it's lost ball Like you don't find it. I mean, it's a hayfield, head deep, and it's a canyon. And then 15 yards right is a little pot bunker. So, I mean, I gave it a little thought.

And then I thought about every other shot that might be better than it. And then I dismissed it for various reasons. So, yeah, I mean, I'm willing to listen to alternative shots and be called a buffoon, but I can't think of another shot better. Well, okay, a couple things here. One, context matters dramatically. Sure does. And while you're saying the hardest thing to do in golf has hit the ball long and straight, you know, you have to factor in pressure.

Hitting phenomenal shots under pressure, in my opinion, it's harder than standing up on the T when you have a six-shot lead in Hawaii in January than some of these shots that people have hit with major championships on the line and things like that. So in that sense, I mean, I even wrote my blog today, if he holed out on the T on the 18th hole from 663 yards, I don't think it'd be the greatest shot of all time. You can't have the greatest shot of all time on January 7th in Hawaii. It's just you just can't do it. It's not possible. Well, I get it. I mean, I get context. I do.

And I thought about every single shot of context. Right? A shot. I mean, like, I mean, throw out. throw out shots that would be alternatively better than Dustin Johnson. So you're in number two, Gene Sarazen in 1935 is, I mean, you had it at number two, so you were closed, Brando, I'll give you that. But that's it.

That shot hauling out with the four wood, the technology that they had back then, the fact that it put the masters on the map, the fact that he was trailing, he thought he needed to bury the last three holes and all that, holes out with Bobby Jones had come down to watch, et cetera, et cetera. The context and all of that, the fact that I think... Do you really had a lot of pressure on him? Three shots behind? I've hit a shot into that green three shots behind.

More pressure than Dustin Johnson had on the 12th T of Capulua in January. Well, I mean, I don't know that Dustin fills pressure on the 18th T of the U.S. Open. But that's just a... You're right. I mean, the tournament champions is not... But listen, the Masters was not the Masters then. The Masters was less of a golf tournament than the tournament. of champions in 35.

Trust me on that. The Masters was an invitational that nobody knew about, that nobody cared about, that had no relevance in the game. It was just a hit and giggle get-together of all of Bobby Jones's buddies. And it was a reason for riders who had been watching Spring Break to stop and have a few cocktails. So, Gene Seriously was not hitting that shot to win a Masters like we know it. trust me there was no pressure on him zero okay he was out there playing with walter hagan who on the

tea told him to hurry up because he had a cocktail waitress he wanted to go out with and there's a lot of pressure on that it's cocktail wagers they don't come around all the time that's right and jean hit that shot on the fly um so it didn't win a major when he would hit that shot he won a he won an event like less than tigers event at the hero now it it grew into a major and we grandfathered even if he won a major championship. But he no more won a major championship that week than I did when I won Vancouver. So what about a nice little humble brag there that you won Vancouver? Very nice.

Okay. So let's then throw out Ben Hogan, 1950, one iron. No, because I think. One zip me. No, because I think, you know, I guess at the time, maybe people wouldn't have called it the greatest shot. even though they did call it the shot heard around the world. But retroactively, you can, retroactively, you could call things the greatest shots of all time. Grantlin Rice called it that because they made him a member of Augusta National,

and he was trying to turn the tournament into a major. It was publicity. But, all right, go ahead. What about Ben Hogan, 1950, one iron, Marion, 18th, hole, one of the hardest part fours? He did it 40 feet away. Okay. He hit 40 feet away. But he had to hit a one iron in the middle of the green that nobody can hold.

He hits a one iron. He had almost died a year before. He could barely walk. And he hits a one iron to the middle of the green. Two putts goes into a playoff and wins. Again, I mean, he hit it 40 feet. There are a thousand people. Well, okay, not a thousand.

But there were probably 30 people in the world of golf that could have hit a one iron 40 feet away, and under those circumstances then. Maybe 20. Nobody in the world of golf can do what Bubba, or that Dustin Johnson did yesterday. No one has never been done. I've watched, I've watched Bubba hit that shot. I've watched, you name it, Davis Love hit that shot. I've watched Tiger Woods hit that shot.

Nobody's ever done what Dustin did. But you're also, okay, but when you claim that, you're claiming it like he made sure he landed it on a two-inch spot so that it would carry him down there perfectly to within an inch. There's a massive amount of luck involved in the balance and all that. No. Yes, there is. He's not saying if I hit this exactly here, it'll roll within an inch of the pin. There's no chance.

But here's the, and I've heard people, people said that today, but I would argue that if you've been to that hole and you stand it on that T-box, you know exactly where you have to land it. And he knows if he landed at five yards right of that spot, it would go into the pot bunker. He also knows that if he landed at five yards left and it got hooking, that it could be gone. So I promise you he hit that drive exactly where he was looking. There was no luck involved. He knew exactly what he needed to do. He knew where he needed to land it and just fall the slope. He's played there, whatever.

He's played there 10 times. He's hit a million drives off that tee. He knows where he needs to land it. So if he watched the T-shot, he cocks it and reaches down and picks the T-out because he knows he absolutely hit it where he needed to. So, I mean, I've played that whole dead-down win, so I've tried to rip it up the left side. And I know if I get it going a little right, it'll catch the ridge and go down there where Brian Harmon's shot was, 153 yards away or 52 yards away. So I would argue that they really, I mean, it's not like it hit a tree and bounced up by the hole. Not like Andrew McGee's hole in one at Scottsdale, where it bounced off the putter of a caddy who was holding it.

That would be my argument. I think the big thing we're going to consistently disagree on is obviously the context. And it almost sounds like, I agree with you on concept. It sounds like, I mean, basically, if the hard. If the hardest thing to do in the game, Randall is hit it long and straight, then I mean, you could argue based off what you're saying, that one of these world-long drive championship winners, when they catch their seventh ball and rope it, you know,

460 down the middle to win, that that's the greatest shot of all time. No, because they're just trying to hit it within a 70-year-old. space. They're not trying to hit it to a four inch cut. They're just trying to hit it within 70 yards. So a shot that goes 69 yards to the right is no better than a shot that goes, you know, 69 yards to let or whatever. I mean, there's no difference in that. There's a huge difference between doing what they do and what Dustin did. Dustin's shots not just about power. It was about accuracy. And it was also about the moment. He was not six ahead. I think he was five head. but so yeah if he missed it he can very plus he's got 13 which the hardest fall on the course in front of him so yeah he could go double bogey double boge and lose the

championship so it's not like he didn't have oh my god he could go double bogey double bogey come on brandall he's got look at the 13th hole yeah okay but then after that two a two or three holes later he drove another par four on the 18th he knows he can get there easily in two so he's not standing there with a five-shot lead on the 12th t where he can potentially hold out, which he almost did, with any nerves at all. He's going to win the tournament by at least four or five shots, and everybody knows. Well, he lost by six the last time he had the lead, and so he'd been asked about that incessantly all week, and especially the next day. I mean, he even alluded to that. He's like Tom Lewis keeps asking, why do you lose?

Are you ever going to win again? Can you win with the lead? Can you win with the lead? So it's not like he didn't have pressure or something to show. And I mean, it's just, initially I put it up as my 10 favorite shots because it had a lot of cool to it I mean the way it put on the brakes going dead in that was pretty flippant cool I thought it was going and I actually can't believe it hit the breaks because I mean if you look at that thing was moving in the middle of the green

it was like this might go over the green right right so give me some more shots that you think are better than that I mean I get it major championship like Jack Nickliss is one iron that was really cool but I could not you know what I could not do And maybe you guys can do this for me. I couldn't think of a phenomenal shot that Tiger Wood hit that was, I guess, the four-iron at the Open Championship that he holds en route to winning. Right.

What was that at, the Hoy Lake? That was Hoy Lake 06, right? Right. I couldn't think of like two iron. You get two feet away or, you know, a five-iron around the corner to a foot. I could think of tons of wedges and short irons and good drives and great putts and great chips that Tiger hit. But I couldn't come up with a shot in the moment that he hit that was 230 yards long or 240 yards long or something that made me go, okay, that shot's better than Dustin's. So I guess, again, I don't think we're ever going to come to the same thing because of the context.

I mean, I just don't. Yeah, you're right. I just will never, never buy that it could be the greatest shot of all time. If you mind, they only got to happen in major championships. Yeah, or, I mean, had he hold out or something, and that was, you know, the 18th to win by one, maybe we would be talking. But again, he's got a five-shot lead. I think it's a lot easier to just wail on a driver when you've got that kind of lead. You said earlier, you know, you don't believe Dustin Johnson even feels pressure on the 18T.

And now all of a sudden you're saying, well, he had thoughts that he could lose. lose because he had lost three months ago or whatever. Well, he doesn't have pressure like, great players don't feel pressure like you and I pressure. I don't think he's up there nervous. He's like, look, I got to do this. And if I do this, I'm going to be fine. He did it at the U.S. Open when he won.

He did at the U.S. Open when he lost. He looks impervious pressure to me. I mean, he doesn't look like a guy that gets nervous to me. So I'm not sure there will ever be a moment that gets. I want to hear why Bubba's wedge from 2012 is not better. I heard you getting into it about this one a little bit on Twitter. Because everybody in the world of golf can hit a snap hook with a wedge 40 yards. It's the easiest shot in the world to hit.

Recovery shot. It's the easiest shot in the world to hit. Every single person on tour can hit that shot. Everyone. It just absolutely perfectly fit Bubba Watson. It absolutely got in there. If he'd have been right-handed, he couldn't hit the shot. Now, if you throw the world of right-handers in the left trees and they've got to hit a snap hook wedge from 170 yards, every single tour player can do it.

Everyone blindfolded. So, you know, this situation made it impactful and it was dramatic and it was cool. Don't get me wrong. I certainly put it on some list, maybe top 100 shots of all time, but nowhere near the top 10. The difficulty of that shot was three. You know, I mean, it was a million people. snap hook wedges around trees to you know on the green

now I've been at the masters no because I've never been in the situation to do it but I'm telling you the shot wasn't difficult so we don't like bubble lots so the fact that you just downplayed that whole shot for us is perfect we like that a lot that was good we might put that on loop and just play it

over and over again guys like I say it was a great shot it was nowhere near the shot that people want to make it out to be so So, all right, so let's move on. We clearly have a, we have a, we have a, we have fundamental differences in our understanding of the greatest shots of all time. I'm willing to concede the context.

All right. You got me there. I don't have a leg to stand on, Billy. Okay. I'm just talking about the actual shot. It was the greatest shot. I think it's ever hit in the history of the game. You took context in it.

I'm not sure I got a leg to stand on. Okay. Fair. We'll move on. Last time we spoke with you was pre-Tiger Woods's return at the Hero World Challenge. How are you doing that? I can't remember. Well, he looked pretty good.

He looked pretty good. I think you brought up the word wrong to characterize yourself. So we'll let you kind of talk on this here podcast. I know it's been a month or so. I know we're kind of more onto his return at Tori than we are at the hero. But for our listeners, they may not have heard. what were your initial reactions from Tiger in the Bahamas? I was gobstruck, gobsmacked.

I really was. I didn't think his swing would be anywhere near that good. I thought it would be shorter and quicker when the bell rang. I thought he'd be all tangled up. I didn't think he'd have that kind of speed. I didn't think he'd putt as well as he did. So, no, I was blown away. Absolutely blown away.

his golf swing, he wouldn't have had two months to work on his golf swing. And in the past, it's taken him two years to make swing changes. So, you know, I didn't expect anything like that. Now, you know, I've always said I don't see him coming back and being anywhere near the player he used to be. I don't see him coming back and even winning, and I hope I'm wrong. I still think it's dubious whether or not he can come back and win, because at some point you've got a chip. and if there had been a chipping statistic that week, last, by a long shot, I mean, dead last.

It wouldn't have been close. He would have averaged 15 feet on his chip shots, probably. So, you know, that's a sizable hurdle for him to get over, but I think he can compete because he'll have the week where he'll get easy chips or he won't have to chip very often. And I think, you know, he's got plenty of power. He's going to drive it really well better than I ever thought I would see him drive it again, which I am happy to say I was wrong about. So, what do you, I'm very curious what your thoughts are on the swing difference between a year ago and this year and how, you know, you kind of alluded to it a little bit, but I'm like, I'm basically stunned as to how he got there.

I mean, do you think he's been slowly ingraining things for, for months? because it's just, like you said, it's always taking them years to make these changes. And then right away, people were like, wow, that swing looks different and better. How did he get there? Yeah, I, you know, the position of his right arm is what shocked me. In a sense, if there's anything that I can, that makes it somewhat understandable to me, It said even when he was playing well in 2013, he was a terrible driver of the golf ball. Like in 2013, he won five times.

He was player of the year. He was the best iron player by a mile on tour that year. But he was 127th in strokes game off the tee. So he was a terrible driver of the ball and the best iron player. So swing guy, the more he'd get trapped, his right arm. swung along at all, his right arm would drop straight down behind him from the top. It wouldn't move towards the front of his hip. And he was stuck.

It was a place from which he could not recover. So if there's anything that I can sort of make sense out of all this with, is that with fusion, he can no longer swing that long. So his golf swing is essentially an iron swing now. It's like when he gets to the top, he's about, I'm going to say, a foot shorter than he was last year. His soft swings about a foot shorter. So in a sense, it's like he's hitting three irons

with his driver. I mean, he's got all the speed. He's got tons of speed. He's not swinging 124 miles an hour, but he's swinging 118-19 miles an hour. So it looks to me like he's making iron swings now because his swing is so he keeps his right arm in front of his body,

which is where it was when he was hitting irons in 2013. That's about the most sense I can make of this transformation as quick as it was. I just didn't think I'd see it. Going into Tori, you know, he's obviously had a ton of success there, but I'm already seeing some headlines, some articles that, you know, Tori's a really tough course. It's a U.S. Open venue.

You know, any concern from anything that you saw that, you know, makes you wonder if Tori won't be a great venue for him in a couple weeks? But Tori used to be a perfect venue for him because he could drive it, past the trouble. He could get it, you know, the trouble was always on one side. There was, there was always bunkers on, pretty much bunkers on one side of every hole, but he could get it past him. So he could always fudge, depending upon where the whole location was,

an air on one side, and he'd be so far down there that he'd have a short iron out of the rough. So, you know, it just, and he's the best iron player he's ever lived. So it was a great fit for him. I wouldn't have thought it was going to be a good fit for him, because I figured he'd still drive it in the crap. He'd be shorter and he'd be in the rough. But now I think he'll come back. And I think the way he's playing,

pretty much every golf course is going to be a decent fit for him because he's going to drive it straighter than he has. So, you know, the winter grasses are going to be good for Tiger because they're easier to chip out of, much, much more forgiving. You know, it was one of the things that was shocking to me about him chipping so poorly at Phoenix was because Phoenix is Rye overseed

and typically that's pretty easy to chip off of so I don't think he's in that sort of dire straits but you know I think you'll be in a good spot it'd be very easy to chip at the LA Open because you'd be chipping off Kakuya

that's like every shot's teed up it'll be very easy for him to chip to farmers because that's sort of you know it's the type of of grass where the ball sets up decent or you've got some wiggle room underneath it. Where else he's going to play? He's going to play...

You think he'll play Honda, maybe Bay Hill? Definitely Bay Hill? You know, Honda would be... I'd be curious to see him in Honda because I think he's going to be a better win player. He's going to be able to drive the golf ball in such a way where he'll have a shot, you know, with his iron plate. Like I said, you know,

unless he has to lean on his chipping, I think if he gets the odd week where he doesn't really have to lean on his chipping, he'll content. But inevitably, inevitably, he'll misagreying or two. And that sort of, that part of the game will rear its ugly head. So we got to ask golf.com listed you and your wife Bailey as some of the most fashionable people in golf. Brandel, do you consider yourself a real fashionable guy? No, but I'm married to it. I always joke with my wife that I could wear a sombrero standing next to her and nobody would know. I like that.

It's like, you know, what you know how it is, I used to wear baggy khakis when I played the tour. When I started dating Bailey, which has been a long time now, seven years, I think she just, you know, by osmosis, has cleaned up my act. So she buys me a lot of nice clothes. I do believe she... I saw a quote where she said he's the one with all the clothes, but I like his looks very sophisticated, very swab. I'm guilty. I do.

I have a ridiculous amount of clothes. No question about it. I'm not going to pretend I don't. I do. The thing about it is, and this is the part that stinks, is that you go to do a show and they put makeup on you, which is the least favorite. part of my day. You stand there and someone puts all this gop on you. But the minute you put a

dress shirt on TV, there's makeup all over your shirt. Everywhere. Doesn't matter. And you can't get that stuff out. I don't know how women have been pulling this off for all these years. You can't get that stuff out. Just makeup all over everything? Right. I'm like, right. I'm like, can you, right? I'm like, can you take the makeup out of my shirt? They can't. It's like, well, every, It's like every show cost me $100 at least. And you can't write that stuff off, by the way. That's a bunch of bullshit. I have a lot of shirts and ties.

Yes. You know, if our friendship ever develops and I'm buying you books for Christmas, you can buy me a shirt and tie. It won't piss me off. All right, fair. I laughed. One of the pictures you were on a merry-go-round, and I just thought that was real nice, Braddon.

What happened to you? I thought our guy is. He's in one right now, that's what I thought. Hey, listen, when you're in those shoots, they propose things, you just go with the flow. Oh, yeah. It's like, yeah, whatever. You know, I always tell Bailey, whatever you ask, sure, absolutely. Yes, you got it.

That's a great attitude. That's what I'm here to do. Say yes. That's exactly right. When they say Mary go around, I'm like, yeah, you back. You're a yes guy. Let's do it. I'm a yes guy.

Yes, I am. See, I'm so amenable. I just don't get why people think I'm a contrarian. So speaking of potentially a contrarian, I got a comment too. You got into it with some of the golf design hardos out there. Basically, you know, this massive debate about rolling the golf ball back. Everybody's almost universally been for it. You came out.

I think it was a month or so ago now. Sort of saying you were against it. I'll kind of let you explain it yourself. Well, people want to. want to blame the golf ball. You know, it's like, that's the scapegoat, the golf ball. And there's 36 yards difference between a tour pro now in 1980 when they first started keeping statistics.

So you can't just blame the golf ball because there are many, many factors that contribute to that 36 yards. The rebound effect of the, you know, the most egregious mistake made by the governing bodies is letting metalwoods with a rebound phase. get into circulation, there was always a clause in the rules that prohibited that, always. It existed. You could not have rebound in the face. Well, they blinked and they missed the great big bertha.

And the next thing you know, it's out there, and everybody's hitting it. And they didn't, when it was presented to them, they didn't nullify it. So now then, it's out there. And not only is it out there, the whole economy, golf economy, was based on rebound faces. So off it went. So the next thing you know, the rebound face is worth, in my opinion, it's probably worth 10 yards of the 36. Then you've got longer shafts, lighter shafts, and a bigger head, which is moment of inertia. That's the way that's described, the MOI.

So when you miss hit, there's hardly any mistake to it. I know that's hard for you guys to believe, but when tour pros miss hit it, there's hardly a big mistake. A little jab at us. I like that. Yeah, so it encourages them to swing harder. And then Tor pros look like Greek gods now, and they used to look like plumbers. And so when you factor all that in, the agronomy has changed. Airways are much, much faster.

So I would say of the 36 yards, probably eight of it, nine of it, ten of it is the ball, 10 of it is the driver. Another 10 would be combination lighter shafts, bigger heads, agronomy. So I don't know how you can just automatically point to the ball and say the ball should be scaled back because equipment companies have spent a lot of money legally, legally designing that golf ball. Everything they did was legal. It never, ever broke the rules. Whereas the golf club, the driver did break the rules and it was overlooked. So I think people would have a better argument if they said COR should be turned back to what it is with.

woods, which is 0.78, I believe. It's, you know, that's what a wooden abat is the rebound is, I think, 0.78. And with the driver, it's 0.832 with these aluminum faces or whatever. So, I just didn't think that the ball should take all the blame. And golf courses

have historically grown with technology. You know, when Augusta was first built, it was over 7,000 yards. If you extrapolate that out to now, Augusta should be 8,300 to 8,500 yards long, which is preposterous to us, but no less preposterous than 7,000 yards was to them in 1934.

So what do you say to, you know, the counter, obviously, that environmentally and all the resources that it requires and all the land that it requires is just not feasible for those types of distances? Well, I would just say that this is an issue that really only affects about 50 people in the world, if that. And it's really only about 20 golf courses, championship golf courses. and it's about building new T's or cutting new T's and about 20 golf courses, championship golf courses. So it's not a whatever. There's, what is there, 15,000 courses in the world? I'm not talking about 15,000 courses.

I'm talking about I want to see the best, I want to see Dustin Johnson have to hit a driver and a four and a four or a four. So however long that needs to be, that's what it needs to be. And if you can't hit it, you know, if you've got to hit driver three wood to get to that par four that Dustin Johnson hits four and two, well, then that's just the way it is. Tough luck. You know, Dean Beeman was trying to make a living when Jack Nicholas came along. And Dean ended up running the tour because he figured out he couldn't hit his three wood

as well as Jack had hit his six side. But that's just the way it is, you know. And at this stage, we finally have an ability to attribute games in yardage and scoring to the athlete. For the first time in history, in golf, we can rightly attribute improvement in yardage and scoring to the athlete because there are now limits on the rebound to the face, the C-O-R, there's limits on the M-O-I, there's limits on the length, there's limits on the speed of the ball. For the first time ever, a line in the sand has been drawn by the governing bodies, and the equipment companies have to get very creative and come up with things like TwistFace to sell a driver.

That's what they have to do. they can't do anything that makes the ball faster or the club more forgiving or more rebounding. Can't do it. So now, any improvement that happens, we can look at the athlete and go, that's why, because of that guy, because of that swing. And I think that's a good place to be. It's not a great place to be if you design equipment or want to sell equipment or break into the market, carve into somebody's market share. but it's a great place to be if you cover the game because now you can look at the athlete and go bravo instead they go well it's the ball it's the driver that's what they've been saying forever you know

so that's where i stand so and i'm welcome to debate that with the golf architect geeks there you go so golf has been on this trajectory for a while now where just expanding courses essentially you know, kind of letting it grow in terms of distances and how far guys are hitting it, et cetera, et cetera. You know, Aaron Hills this year, that place can stretch out to 7,800 yards. Do you expect there to be some sort of change, or do you expect it to just continue to sort of go on this trajectory where, you know, with the current equipment like you just laid out, the athletes getting bigger, better, and stronger that we're just going to have to keep expanding

for who knows how long? Yeah, well, the mistake they're making is listening to things. tour players. And I say that with all due respect, having been a tour player. But the governing bodies and the people who set up golf courses should always be at odds with the people who play the game for a living. It's their job to play the game. It's their job to get the ball in the hole. It's the people whose job it is to set up the golf courses to decide what they want to challenge of the best players in the world. Aaron Hills was in theory the right idea, but the setup didn't proved to be. The T's were too elevated.

The golf course didn't play anywhere near as long as it was meant to I mean if you're going to build a golf course that is meant to be the equivalent of what Okman or Augusta was 70, 80 years ago, then build it.

Quit toying around and build a dance thing. It should be 8,200 yards long, 8,300 yards long, and it's not about the yard. It's about what clubs do these guys hit. So yeah, there should be some reaction to the fact that tour pros can now hit 340 yards and they can hit because of equipment and because of their physical strengths, they can hit the ball.

I'm out. They should be, I want to see, to me it's about intellect. To me, it's about mental anguish. When I watch Sergio Garcia hit an eight iron to the 15th hole at Augusta National, And I know that Jack Nicholas was much longer relative to the field when he played there in 1975 and had to hit one iron to that cream. You know, a one iron makes me jump out of my chair. An eight iron, it's like wake me when it's over. You know, I can hit an eight iron to that dream.

I can't, you know, a one iron is a different story. And that's the architect, Alistair McKinsey, had in mind mental anguish in the fairway when he designed that hole. and he had a long iron, a four wood that Gene Sarison hit or one iron. He did not have in mind an eight iron. Brannel, we know you got, what, a couple weeks off, so when will we see you next? The Tori, is that right? Yes, the week of Tori is the PGA merchandise show, so I'll be there. Almost finished with my books, I'll be there selling that, that, doing a show there

and doing the week of of Tori Pines, talking about Tiger Woods. And beyond that, I don't know where I'll run into you guys, but I hope I do somewhere down the line. Yeah, we don't know exactly where we're going to be, but we'll be at a couple of events.

You know, we can be a little elusive out there. We're not sure yet. Yeah, you guys need to set up shop and do a show from one or two of these events. I think we're going to. That's a great idea. Yeah, I don't think that's a bad idea at all. Why don't you plug the book a little bit?

When's it coming out? Well, it was meant to come out this year in the middle of the year, but there is another book coming out as a biography on Tiger Woods. So I'm not going to try to compete with that. That'll be out in April, May. I'm not going to try to compete with that book. So my publisher has suggested we come out later in the year. But the book, my book, is sort of the same theme as my first book was,

the anatomy of greatness was the commonalities of the greatest players of all time, what they did in their golf swings. Like, mostly they had strong grips and long swings and big hip turns, which is quite a contrast to what is taught today. And then so this will be the commonalities of the greatest short games and putters of all time, which has been very interesting for me because there really hasn't been that much information put out, video pictures of great shippers, putters, wedge players, bunker players, and what literature there is out there is either from a player describing his method or from a teacher

describing a method. This is about the methods of the 20 best wedge players and bunker players and putters of all time, what they had in common and what people can learn from it. And I can tell you, I've learned a lot from it. I've absolutely learned a lot. You know, along the way, there were myths that I held true in my mind, my whole life that are just simply not true. One of them, for example, Bobby Locke is considered the greatest putter ever. Everybody has told me forever that he hooked his putts. He did no such thing. In no way, shape, or form was his putter head, putter face closed on the way back,

in no way shape of form did he hook his putts. So where does something like that come from? people just making that up? Well, yeah, I guess because he would say that he hooded the putter going back, which is something that he got from Walters or Tray. There's a little to it. But he, you know, going back. And nobody really ever bothered to look or see if what he said differed from what he did.

And his feeling was that he hooded the putter going back, which, again, many great putters have had that feeling. But the fact is he didn't, you know, at the top of his putting stroke, his putter was as open as Tiger Woods, who felt like he fanned his putter open. So you put them side by side. You put, if I put Tiger Woods and Bobby Locke side by side at the top of their putting strokes, you can't tell the difference. They look identical.

Same with Ben Crenshaw, same with Horton Smith. They look identical. The putter head has swung behind their hands. Now, they feel like the back of their left wrist is pointing at the ground, but it's curling under. You know, if you're a right-hander and your left hand is on top, your thumb's going straight down the shaft, when you take the putter head back, the feeling is that your back of your palm, you know, I'm sorry, the back of your hand, points at the ground on the way back, and that you're turning the face sort of closed in your backstores. That's the feeling that, in my mind, the greatest part of all time is Horton Smith.

and that is the feeling that he had he talked about. And it's the same thing Tiger Woods did, but in Tiger, he would say that he opened the face, and then Bobby Locke, he'd say he closed the face. And even if you look at the pass, I mean, a hook, stroke means you come from the inside and you close it. But Bobby Locke had a little over-the-top little move. In a sense, you would say it was more like Ben Hogan,

who hit an over-the-top bleeder cut. So he didn't do anything at all that is, close to hooking his putts, but he did make a lot of them. And he had so many commonalities with Tiger Woods. But the most interesting thing to me about the book was that Tiger Woods, there's a before and after with Tiger Woods in his putting. Like everybody thinks Tiger Woods is the greatest putter ever. But his first two years on tour, he was worse than average.

He was 147th in putting and 60th. So 147th and 60th. and his coach talked him into going into talk to Ben Crenshaw. Ben told him what to do and how to do it. And from that moment on, and that was the 99, I'm sorry, let me think. That was the 1999 Byron Nelson. And it turned Tiger's career around. I mean, it turned him into perhaps the greatest putter ever.

and Ben Crenshaw was literally just telling him something that he learned from Bobby Jones, and Bobby Jones learned it from Walter Travis. So that 100-year connection comes from Walter Travis won the amateur three times 1901, 23. So what Tiger was doing in 2000 was exactly what Walter Travis was doing in 1900. 100 years separated them, same putting stroke, and it was just passed on from Bobby Jones to Ben Crenshaw to Tiger Woods. and that's all going to be in my book. Very interesting. I have read The Anatomy of Greatness

that had me in my apartment in front of the mirror working on all kinds of trying to look like I had more of a classical swing, real fluid, left heel up. So yeah, if you haven't checked it out, we also talked about it on our podcast right around Thanksgiving time, so if you go back, anybody that's listening and check it out last time we had Brandel on. We went through some of the short game stuff,

some of the Anatomy of Greatness stuff. He will be on Golf Channel for their, coverage throughout the entire year, but especially in a couple weeks when Tiger makes his return. Randall Shambly, we really appreciate it, my friend. My pleasure. Always fun talking to you guys. Stay fashionable.

That would be my advice. I'll keep the sombreros coming. Yeah, keep them coming. We'll talk to you soon, I'm sure. Thanks for spending the time. We appreciate it. Take care, guys. We've got the Sony open, so pay attention to that.

And then the guys head back to the mainland for a little West Coast swing. and then we start to ramp up. Tiger's back in two weeks. It's exciting times. Very, very exciting. We made it through the off season. We've been plugging away. We've been doing episodes with virtually no golf.

And now we're finally going to get some golf. It'll be a lot of fun. We might be at the Phoenix Open. We're in a little bit of a war with our boss over that. So if you go online and you want to tweet at El Prez and tell them that we should be there because we're going to get phenomenal content, which we already have scheduled and we already told people would be there.

That would be really nice. So we might be there. We'll be around. We got big golf season coming up. Everybody's excited about it. We're jacked up.