Fore Play - "Don't ever touch my ball, son" with Ryan Whitney

Episode Date: June 5, 2018

Our buddy Ryan Whitney is back to talk Tiger, Bryson DeChambeau, pushcarts, and commentate on Frankie's caddie tales. You will not believe what Judge Smalls did to Frankie during his first EVER loop. We also get an update on poor Lucas Glover, on Frankie's wedge game woes, and on Riggs' "Skokie Challenge" event at Skokie Country Club near Chicago. This is one of our more hysterical shows! You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

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It's June. summertime. It's officially golf season. We are just a week removed from U.S. Open week. I am joined right now by Trent Daddy. Hello, Slim Daddy, Trent, and Frankie Borrelli, the pizza maker. Hello. We are going to be joined during the second half of the show by Ryan Whitney. So it's going be really interesting to see how that goes with the whole Muppet situation between Frankie and Whitney and all of that. It's a big show. We had a huge week. Like I mentioned a second ago, we have the U.S. Open coming up. We have a little bit of an announcement. We are going to be out at the U.S. Open for most of the week.

We have credentials. We are going to be doing live radio from the golf course. The top of the hill, I believe, is what it's called. A little beer garden that they're doing, a whole social bar-type scene. We will be doing live radio from there. I believe it will be most of the afternoon programming, but we're still going to iron out all those details. we're going to be on the grounds. We're going to be on property. Definitely Thursday through Sunday.

Myself, Trent, Frankie Brelly will be there. Dave's going to be up there. Big Cat's going to be up there for a little bit. But the three of us will be up there for pretty much those full four days at least. So anybody that's heading out, look for us, find us, look for updates. We'll be posting stuff where we're going to be, what we're going to be doing. You can come hang out with us. We can watch some golf. We can take in the U.S. Open. Shinnock. I've been seeing videos since we've been there. The rough is getting longer and longer. The fairways the greens are getting firmer and firmer.

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He had... I'm looking at this thing here now. Five broken ribs, a collapsed lung, and a fractured lower left leg. That's a serious car accident. Jesus. That's so scary. I know you're a big, you're always a seatbelt guy. You're always talking about, worried about getting in a car wreck.

This is no joke. And Bud Collie has been on this show. he's a friend of the program. We're, you know, we're rooting for obviously a speedy recovery from him. Big time. He was super down-to-earth guy, incredibly nice guy. He was the one we talked about entourage. We talked about Netflix binging.

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And it actually worked out very nicely because they were anticipating weather. at Jack's tournament, so they had moved up all the tea times. Because here's the thing, what goes through my mind and it goes to the mind of every blogger. I had pictured in my mind that I was going to go to this game. Because I wanted to go because I knew the tickets were awesome. He had said something about Marlins Man, which means the tickets are going to be very, very close to the field. So I was excited to do that. But after I had committed with Big Cat, I was like, oh, shit, there's going to be a tournament going on.

And this is the thing. I didn't want to be sitting behind home plate at the Mets game, watching the game and having, like, tire going nuts. Yeah, you can't do it. But I had already committed, and obviously I could have backed out, and I would have if I had to. But then they're like, oh, we moved up the T-time. So I was like, that's perfect. I'm going to go. I'll watch all the golf.

I'll watch Tiger finish. I'll watch people finish. And then I'll go to the game, which I did it. Luckily, because I knew if I went and the T-times were normal, Tiger would shoot a 62 win the tournament, and I'd be sitting there like an asshole. Thousand percent. Behind home play. And Dave would never let me hear the end of it.

So you had a great picture. Yeah, with the three of us were sitting there. and somebody people are it's obviously the games on TV so they're snapping pictures of us three idiots sitting front row and I had a guy I put the picture on Instagram I had a guy comment on the picture being like oh shit Trent you got a mohawk that's awesome

and you just don't you don't have a mohawk folks listeners I don't have a mohawk I just have a very very bad hair line and the way the picture was taken it doesn't look as bad right now you guys are looking at me well it's weird because you're not like a balding guy I don't think you just kind of have it just I don't know it goes back

sharp but then it's like fine Right. That's a picture. You are such a badass mohawk in that picture. You're a Mohawk guy in that picture. I mean, you just have a Mohawk. I don't know what it is about the picture because you're right. I have deep crevices in terms of my hairline.

It's always been like that. I don't think it's getting any worse. My brother's the same way. But in that picture, I definitely look like I have a mohawk. Some people are saying I should just now get a mohawk. Frankie Brelli's laughing. But it's like, that's another thing. When you're sitting in those seats and you know you're on camera all the time,

because it is I was cogniz of it. I don't know about Jared and Big Cat were, but I'm sitting there like, all right, don't pick your nose. Don't do the Costanza where you're eating ice cream because all the food was free. And it was my cheat day. So I was eating a bunch of stuff, but I would only do it back in like the lounge that they had. So I didn't want to get caught picking my nose,

eating ice cream or eating like a hot dog, having that visual. But then I was like, all right, I got through the day. I'm good. I put up the picture. We look awesome. And people are like, you have a fucking mohawk. And I don't have a mohawk. Not a mohawk.

It's just, it gets lighter on the side. That's the only thing. the only thing that's showing is the dark part of the middle. Right, and it looks very much like I have a mohawk. It's a little bit of an optical. I think you look fucking badass. Yeah, you do look kind of badass in the picture. You look like fucking skinny with a mohawk and like, you know.

Well, that was another thing. People were bringing very nice about like, oh, Trent, you look, I mean, you lost all that way. You look great. You're made for TV. So I was feeling good about it. And then the one guy was like, do you have a mohawk? And I was like, no. I don't have a Mohawk, Trent.

Is that what he wrote? Mohawk Trent. Oh, that's great. You do look great. You got a little jawline showing now? Yeah. So it was a good, it was fun. It was a good experience.

I got to watch all the golf. Then I got to watch a bunch of baseball up close. It's very cool, man. Having those seats, it wasn't an opportunity I wanted to pass up. So Frankie's a little nervous because I wrote down on the outline for the show. I just wrote Frankie golf game Wedges Butterknives. And the reason I wrote that is because I saw on your Instagram story. You're playing a little golf this weekend, Frankie.

I just wanted an update on your game. Because last time we talked to you, you were like, yeah, I'm ripping my driver. And it feels like I have a butter knife from my head. hand when I get a wedge. Well, Riggs and Trent, it's more of the same bullshit. That's why when I read that email, I came out of the bathroom. I was in the bathroom when I was reading it. And I came out and I looked at you both and I said, did one of my friends message you about my butter knife? Because honestly, it got to the point this weekend where I don't think I'm ever going to hit a sandwich ever again. I don't know what it is. So not only you're having trouble with your wredges, you're dealing with paranoia

because you thought we had a mole. I'm looking over my shoulder. I don't know what's going on anymore. I don't I don't want people talking about my sandwich game. I don't want people looking at my sandwich game. It is so, it's like, it's as if I don't know how to play the game of golf anymore when I get within 20 yards of the hole. The face that you made when you approached us after reading us in the bathroom, it's, there's very clearly an issue going on, Frankie, because you were like, you looked like you'd seen a ghost. Like who sent something to you guys? What is talking about, dude, I just want to update on your golf game. What's so scary about the way, so I played this weekend a little at east, I did a nice little public track called.

Oh, fuck. That's what it's called. No. What a great course name. It's in Medford. Oh, shit. It's like an inappropriate course name. Oh, fuck.

But it would stand out. I would like, I want to play. I would want to play. Mill Pond. There's a nice little pond in there. Really difficult golf course, I would imagine. It's called, oh, fuck. Oh, fuck would be an awesome golf course to play.

But imagine the logo for the logo. I was just thinking about the logo. I was just thinking about the logo. You could have a field day with the logo. It could honestly just be Frankie with his wedges. just like, oh, fuck. Frankie's shaking away. He's actually holding a literal butter knife?

Yeah, I like that. Just a silhouette of my body with like bad posture and then just a butter knife coming out. Like a big butter knife the size of a golf club. Just like a little lefty golfer with a butter knife. What a logo that would be. That's the old fuck country club logo. Throw it on a nice, like everything has to be black too. Yeah, like not like very country club colors.

Yeah. But, but, you know. Like a funeral? Yes. So I went to Milpon golf course. It's really nice public golf course. I think you guys are both like it. It's fun.

It's very creative. There's shots that you can't always hit your driver on every hole. There's some like creeks that go across the fairway and you have to hit iron. I love golf courses like that. They just make you like, you know, change up your game a little bit, especially public courses on Long Island. Usually see very straight golf courses back and forth. So we played there. I hit the rain.

I was hitting good. They had those goddamn mats, which always fucking get me. You know, I'm on the mat. I'm feeling great. I'm hitting the ball. thousand miles in the air. I'm hitting all these greens out there on the driver range. And I know when I step up to my first ball in the fairway,

it's not going to be the same because I don't have a cushion. Well, everybody knows mats are bad shot proof. It's insane. I don't know why we do it. Why do we practice on something we're not hitting on? You hit six inches behind the ball and you flush it on my mat. Which is what I do. This is how we started when you talked about you,

like took a bunch of balls and went to a par three, right? Yeah, but we don't talk about that anymore. Okay, sorry. So what happened was I was hitting my golf balls. So good on the range. I get up to the first. I hit my drive. All right, whatever.

So throughout the whole day, I'm hitting just great golf shots. You know when you're just like you're hitting a good golf shot? Throughout the whole day? Like the whole day, I'm just hitting good golf shots. I'm hitting five irons, like 210 yards. I'm hitting towards the green. But for some reason, I can't score anymore because when I put my sandwich in my hand, Riggs and Trent, I was on aprons.

I was inches away from the green. And I'm like, I'm going to take a sandwich out. And I'm going to hit a good golf shot. And I sculled it 35. yards over. I'm like, all right, I'm 20 yards out. I'm going to hit a nice, like, bump and I'm going to hit the, I'm going to hit the front of the green. It's going to roll right up. I hit, I, I, I, duffed it two inches. That's very frustrating. Every time I'm around the green, I'm adding one or two strokes to every single hole. So I end up

shooting like an 88. And I'm not even kidding. I think I've added 11 to 12 strokes just around the greens extra because of the butter knife in my hand. So you know what our good friend Hank Haney told us when he was on this show is that at every level of golf, there's three things you need to eliminate and they are number one is penalty strokes like taking a drop, hitting a ball out of play you got to eliminate penit strokes, penalty strokes. Number two is three puts. You got to eliminate three

puts and number three is double chips. Yep. So you're saying like anytime you like if you're in a greenside bunker and you don't get it on the green or if you're near the green like you got a little flop shot or something, you just don't get it on the green. He's like you got eliminate those three things for your game and your scoring will go way down. I was

audibly screaming out loud saying well, I am now in the same position I was 10 minutes ago, and we're still taking the same shot, but my stroke is now plus one. My score is now an extra stroke. I have the same shot. So I might as well not even take the shot. I might as well just start, like, putting from where I am. Do you understand what I mean?

Yeah, I do. Like, why am I hitting? Sounds like an incredibly frustrating. It's so, dude, it's so frustrating because you don't realize, I mean, I guess you maybe do it with the amount of golf you guys, like if you rigged you're playing a lot of golf, you realize how much you use these shots i mean it's every single hole you got a shapes i'm not hitting every green obviously from 150 yards out oh no there are days when i go out there and i don't i don't know

how this possibly happens but it's like the only thing i can relate it to that i've heard is when tiger woods like my release pattern was off like this bullshit this occasionally will just happen to me when i'm out there and i'm like if i'm 15 yards off the green and the fair way and i bought my 60 to like try to hit even like a not even like a flop just like even a lower little like pitch with my 60 with a little spin on it and stuff and I just can't hit the guy I'm like I can't hit it I'm gonna either blade it or I'm gonna scull it and that's not it doesn't happen all that often and usually it doesn't even linger for like a couple days it's just that one day it's like I just can't chip today I just literally can't do it and it's the most it's the most mental I I personally think it's

the most mental shot in the golf in golf is a little chip because you're like you're thinking about the way the pros do it and I'm I'm envisioning the way Tiger Woods hit some of these like you know three or four foot chips where he takes like a nice big back swing comes down on the ball he flops it straight up and then i go and do it and it's a weapon like people on the t-box on the next hole are running they're scurrying when they see me pull out he's got the 60 it's crazy like i swear to god if people realize that it was me when i hit the other day when i was hitting bad shots i was just like i was like acting as though it wasn't me i was going very incognito i must have hit it towards the other people's tebox like four or five times and i was like it's just not me

I would wait for them to tee off and then I'd go. I'd hold up the entire golf course because I didn't want people to know how bad I was hitting my sandwich. I will say that I have recently, I've got a thing going where I can't, in the bunkers, in the greenside bunkers, like one out of three times, I just catch it too close to the golf ball and I just skull it basically. And that's a weapon. That's a weapon because you're swinging hard and full and trying to hit the golf ball like 15 feet and you hit it like 100 yards. And it's like, there is no worse feeling too Because you know everyone on the green Just sees you take a full swing

And just sees a missile come out of their thing And they're like, ah, this fucking guy again It's the point where guys, you know, if I let's say I got like, you know 20 feet of green to work with And the guys are standing like Off the other side of the green I'm like you guys got to move like I was going to say that head's up

You're 100 feet away from the pin but like When you have to say heads up a lot Because everyone knows that Every golfer knows that when you're playing a certain way That you kind of get that like chuckle comes out, you laugh, someone's like a maniacal laugh, you're like, hey guys, I would watch out if I were you.

And I do that now every single time someone's in front of me and when I have a wedge in my hand. The line is, like, I wouldn't stand there. Yeah. If I were you guys, I would not stand there. That's a classic. Yeah. That's a classic. I'm joking, but like I'm very zero confidence line. It's very funny. It's very funny how

the different type of golf you are, when that comes out of your mouth. Like, I know I have a buddy Rob that will say that if you're behind him. Because he doesn't know, when he takes a driver out, it could honestly go through his legs and then hit you right in the face. Dude, it is amazing how much it changes

per golfer. When you're looking back, I might be at like a 10 degree angle to the left of one of my buddies but I'm like, I don't think this is safer. I need to get out of here. So it's tough, Frankie. You're pulling for you with the wedges. I hope your game comes around. I was in Chicago this weekend

for the Skokie Challenge. Can I just say? Can I just say? this i've had and then even in my like group chat with my buddies we talked about this pretty thoroughly this looks like one of the best events to go to i told him when he for when i first saw him this morning i was like that thing looks just it's just high class yeah the skokie challenge is i know i play a lot of golf i'm in a lot of like i try to get into a lot of cool fun little events with my buddies and stuff this is the one major on my calendar is the skoky challenge oh yeah so the way that this whole thing it is high class it's incredibly high class

dreams class. There's a lot of whiskey and leaderboards. The way they dress the tables. Oh. They have little cards, like menu cards with the Skokie Challenge label on it with like kind of pre-prepared options that you have. Explain where Skokie's. So let me give you the whole deal here.

What happened was one of my name, the Skokie Challenge. Great name. You could rename the Masters to the Skokie Challenge. I think I'll like it. Yeah, people will be like that. That's great. I'm into that. So Skokie Country Club.

and it's in the northern suburbs of Chicago, not far from Lake Michigan. It is 1922 U.S. Open hosted there, I believe. Gene Saras in one. Bobby Jones famously was in the mix. Shout out of june. He hooked one out of bounds on 17, very difficult hole. So anyway, this is a great, awesome course.

Donald Ross track, really a lot of history and all that. What happened was one of my teammates in college, you know, we were starting to get into golf around that time. He was like, hey, my family and I, we belong to a course. We kind of grew up on this golf. off course up in Chicago. You're and your brother live in St. Louis during the summer. You guys should drive up and we'll play our home course.

It'll be really fun. We'll hang out at the house for the weekend, whatever. So my brother and I started doing that in college is probably nine years ago or something like that. And we did it two years in a row, just the two of us driving up, played against my buddy and his brother. And then my buddy and his dad one day and just had like a cool, fun little match. It was great.

The third year, he was like, hey, how do you feel about we'll get both my parents involved and a couple of our buddies from school involved? And it was like four on four. It was like the host family, which, again, they have like a house on the eighth hole, beautiful house. They were like, one of the four of you guys, like me and my brother, two of our buddies from college come up and we'll do four on four. It'll be great. And then the next year we expanded it to six on six. And it's myself, my brother, two of my college roommates, one of their brothers and another buddy of ours.

So we've got like two sets of brothers, a couple good buddies from college, and then five family members on their side, the mom. mom, the dad, three brothers, and then one of their best family friends who is really tight buddies with his parents. So it's like all over the map in terms of how everybody knows each other. And it's fully handicapped, the mother, who's an absolute angel, plays to like a 33 handicap. And then a couple of us are, you know, down in like the four, five, six range. So it's a big, wide range. And we take it incredibly seriously. It is four ball on Saturday.

So it's fully handicapped two on two. And then it's just singles on Sunday. They obviously, in my opinion, have a strong advantage because it's their home course. It's literally their home course. The greens are unbelievably tough. They're lightning fast. They're Donald Ross Greens. They've got a ton of slope.

And we've only won officially once. Wow. Of the last, I guess the last like six of them have been like full field, you would call it or something like that. They're good golfers? Yeah. They're all good players. They're all very good players. sake, because you're coming in playing pretty well.

I played pretty well and I didn't win a single point. Wow. I played well, too. So I just, I ran it, we ran into a buzz salt. Came down to the 18th, the 18th hole yesterday. So Sunday in singles, the last match on the golf course. They were all square on the 18th green. Holy shit.

And we had to get a win. And our guy ended up not being able to get it done. So like they were going crazy in the 18th green. Are you guys like standing around the green? Oh, yeah. I mean, we've got the outfits going on. Like, we are, and the whole week, I mean, you guys saw my Instagram story. There's a big opening dinner on Friday night.

That's like coat and tie. We go in. The captains have to give a speech. We rotate captains each year. Captains have to give a speech. Did you give a speech here? So I was captain the first year that we kind of came up with the captaincy rule, which was, whatever, four years ago, I guess.

So I was captain the first year, and then you can't be captain again until everybody's been captain once. So then it went to my brother. And then to my, so, you know, my brother. brother drives up from St. Louis. I only see my brother three or four times a year, Max. So we get to play golf together. One brother? One brother. Whole and one brother. A whole and one, whole and one Kyle.

Dude, we do the opening dinner on Friday. There's a bunch of awards. Like, man, there's a ton of different awards that you can win. If you win like shot of the day on Saturday, as like voted on by the chairman, who's the dad of the family, call him the chairman. Unreal. And then if you win an award, you take it with you for the year, but you have to return with it the following year. and you present them at dinner on Friday night and then they're up for play all weekend.

We do a big breakfast on Saturday morning and then we do the reveal of the names on the board. I'm sure you guys saw the leaderboard. Oh, yeah. You do the scoreboard so you put names on the board. You find out how you're playing. Real good paper products on there. They had like...

Oh, yeah. The heart... Looks like it was thick stock. Real thick stock. Very thick stock. Good ink, too. I mean, you could see the names on the board from a Snapchat. They're parents that we have dinner in the Langford room.

on Friday night, which is the one you guys saw, which is in the clubhouse. Saturday night is steak night where the chairman cooks up like 40 of the best ones. How good does that guy feel to be called the chairman? Does he live to be called the chairman? Nobody deserves being called the chairman more than this guy. He's the chairman of a law firm, and he's just the man. He's the chairman of our golf tournament,

the Skokie Challenge. He is just the, we actually, we just call him the chair. Oh, I like that. Good. Greatest guy in the world and they bring us into their house. We all sleep on like blown up mattresses that are touching each other in like the same room. So it's just like an absolute scene. So it's awesome.

The Skokie Challenge is phenomenal. Like I said, all the awards, all that. We barely lost. We ended up losing six to four and a half. But had we won that final match, we would have won, I think, five and a half to, no, we would have won by half a point. We ended up losing it by a point and a half. So it was a battle. It was an absolute battle.

You played well, though? I did. I mean, so Sunday it was incredible. incredibly windy, and the greens were lightning, and the rough is brutal. And I shot 82 of my own ball. Nice. So it's not that I played phenomenal, but I also, I just was in every hole. The guy I played against my buddy John is a really good player, but he never plays.

So his handicaps up for like a nine now. And he just gave me nothing. He was, I think he shot, he was actually, he doubled 17 and 18 when the match was already over at that point to shoot 83. So he played really well, and I was giving him like four shots. Now, do you guys have caddies? The parents take caddies, but we just all share. I was going to say, because are the caddies involved in the tournament, and do they know it's, like, you know, pretty high stakes?

They, you know, they get a little bit involved. It depends on the caddy, right? Some of them are kind of like, eh, and other times they're, like, pretty into it. So totally depends. The Greenskeeper knows everything is going on and, like, sets up pins for it. Oh, that's sad. That's awesome. I, like, hit them up on Twitter and try to get, like, tips on how the course is playing,

and stuff. Chairman caught wind of this last year and yelled at me at the dinner. I was like, there will be none of that. So it's a whole scene. The whole course kind of knows about at this point because every year we come strolling on that, like I said, they live on the eighth hole.

We legitimately just keep our clubs in the garage, grab them, and just walk to the practice range. That's awesome. So all of a sudden this whole march army of people all dressed the same, come out of the woods, literally out of the fucking woods, right by the eighth green, over to the practice area, people are like, oh, it must be the Skokie challenge.

There goes the chair. There's the chair. So it's awesome. Shout out to the Skokie Challenge. Anyways, now we've got to get into our good guy, Ryan Whitney. Here's Witt. All right, we are about to sit down with our good friend Ryan Whitney. Very funny, very entertaining.

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Yikes. Hello. Witt. Bitch. What's up? What's up? You just said that? That was your boy, the Muppet.

Oh. I don't even respond to that fucking idiot. All right. We are joined by our very own Ryan Whitney. So we got to just start right off the top. We got Frankie Borelli. We got Witt on the same show. A lot of chatter last time.

A lot of chatter. There were some words said, and I wasn't too fond of it. Frankie had been golf podcast cucked a little bit. I've never seen the two on the same podcast. Feels kind of weird. Frankie. What the fuck do you want? You're already getting me going.

Just hearing his voice just makes me aggravating. Hold on. Hold on. I was actually going to say, dude, we chirp each other on outside stuff. The last podcast I was on when you weren't on Foreplay, I know you probably listened, and I know if you're going to be honest, you were a little worried. I was good. I was a little better than you. So I understand for you to be honest and say, listen, I was a little intimidated.

But let's just be buddies on this one. Barstom radio, we could chirp. Let's be friends when we're on this together. You know, it hurts. It hurts to be friends with you. It hurts to just be in the same vicinity as you, even if it's over voice and over the phone. But I'll try. I mean, yeah, you did well on the podcast.

I mean, you play golf every goddamn day. You have better stores and you're playing with Tiger Woods. No, I didn't play with Tiger. He played through him a huge difference. But still, yeah, that was awesome. Tiger did play through me. So Witt, now you guys are boys. I like it.

Everybody's on the same page. We're all positivity golf. We got the memorial. We got a bunch of shit to get to. We're going to try to cram it in before Wits. Got to go. First off, Bryson D. Shambau, I don't know if we like them, hate him. I want to say that we on the show, we've gone back and forth with him a little bit. He's obviously weird. He's got all of his quirky scientific bullshit, but that makes him stand out a little bit, which we like.

However, he had this inspirational quote type deal that he put out after the tournament where he said, quote, one little saying that we've always had is just keep swimming. whenever the time gets tough just keeps swimming, just keep going. It's from finding neither. I hate the ending of that. So when we first started this podcast, he had no wins. Bryson D. Shambo had no wins. But he was this media darling that everybody loved. They talked about his clubs are all the same length.

Trent, he had wins. That's why the media loved him. He won the NCAA. No, but I mean. Yeah, but that's what I mean. He didn't have any wins on the PJ tour, and people were treating him like he had won all the tournaments. So like, but then that's why I don't like him because they give him so much media attention for not winning on the highest level that he was currently playing on.

Now that he's got a couple wins, I don't have as much of a problem with him. And it was that fucking commercial. It was that, what was it like the Microsoft commercial where he was like Matt Damon, Will hunting over there? Yeah, they run it on Saturdays and Sundays when he missed the cut. Right. That was what we hate it. So now that he's got a couple wins, I don't have as much a problem with it. Well, I think that it was more than anything.

I mean, he was one of five people to ever win those two in the same year. So, I mean, a superstar, if you go by that, a superstar in the making is going to get attention before they win. I mean, guys in the NFL or the NHL, I mean, you hear a lot about them even before they've played in their respective league. So I just, I think he's such a nerd. Jesus Christ, I mean, you got to respect the guy's game. You got to respect the fact that he's like a scientist. But that quote, I mean, are you kidding me? And I've also heard through the grapevine of a really good local Massachusetts amateur who's played in the U.S.M, played in a lot of, you know, USGA events, say that he was a dickhead.

He was a dickhead to him on the range. I'm not going to say who. So he's a dickhead. He was a dickhead at the range. And now I really, that gave me a reason. That like kind of allowed me to hate him in my mind because I kind of wanted to do to begin with. Everything about this man named Bryson Deschambeau. I mean, obviously he's a dickhead.

The guy has all these irons out of the same length. names him. He reads greens with like, you know, the math, the height and the weight and the distance and the wind. Get the fuck out of here. I got to say, we have good golfers. We have good golfers everywhere. Like, I can watch a good golfer golf every day on the PGA tour. I don't need Bryson DeShambeau to be like my new darling. I think he's an asshole. And I'm allowed to think he's an asshole because, like I said, we have great golfers everywhere. He's not a superstar. He's not the guy. Out of all these young guys coming up, I mean, Justin Thomas, you have Jordan's speed. These guys are just like, he's just getting his dick stomped in by all the younger guys, too.

So what I want to say about this quote, the whole fucking Just Keep Swimming thing, I didn't even hate it until he said it's from Finding Nemo. We know it's from Finding Nemo, dude. Like, we fucking know that. I didn't know that. How did you not know that? What would it be from? I mean, I, who knows?

Like a quote from like, oh. Just keep swimming? It's the Navy SEAL talking about swimming. Who knows? I didn't know was Nemo. And at the bottom when I saw it, I wanted to puke. It's one of the. more famous Disney quotes.

It's the chick fish in fighting emo that just says just keeps swimming. Dory. I can't believe you don't know. I haven't seen that in quite a while. Those are the part of it, like, I kind of want to try those single-legged ions. Like, I won't know how to festival, because I love my irons. I love, I have a titleless guy, but something about the single link, I'm like, that sounds so nice to be able to just get used to the same link, the seven-iron link for everything.

So, my part does kind of intrigue me a little bit, but, yeah, I mean, he's, he's, He's going to be on the Rider Cup team, though, boy. So this is the watch time. He's going to be in Paris. Yeah, he's definitely going to be on the Riter Cup team. He's going to be in Paris. I will say that, like, one out of 10 listener emails we get is, like, what do you guys think about the one-length club thing? Like, people do, like, love to think about that and experiment with that.

I mean, his fucking every iron and every wedge in his bag is 37 and a half inches. He's got a one plane swing. He never breaks his wrist. It's insane. Like, what is he doing? How's that guy winning? He read a book and became a good golfer. It's nice.

That's actually insane. I think that's probably why some people, maybe us, don't like him, because there's not as much artistry. Like, you watch a Bubba or a tiger. And you know, they're kind of working the ball a little bit. He's like, no, I have one swing. I have one length of club, and I'm just going to keep working this, and it's going to work. I think it's his hat.

It's his goofy look, and it's the fact that he just looks like an asshole. That's like, the guy's an asshole. He looks like a – I've said this a lot. No one can never make the comparison, but he looks like a dinosaur. And I've never quite found the dinosaur. He looks like the dinosaur that eats the tree. up in the air with the little hat. You know, you guys aren't going to do it.

I say it's all the time to my friends. What are you talking about? You know, those dinosaurs that hate the trees. Weirdest take I've ever heard. I know. I've always gotten hate. I probably shouldn't, you know. You really open yourself.

You know, the one that, you know, the one with a real long neck? Oh, God, damn. The bronosaurs. Look at the way that, that horse, that, that, that horse. Oh, fuck me. The way that dinosaur looks with a little hump on his head. That's how his goddamn hat looks, okay? Has broken your brain.

What are you talking about? Are you guys like hotboxing the studio there right now? Horses, dinosaurs and trees? Let's go back to the quote. Is he going to do this now all the time where he just says quotes and then what they're from? Is that going to be his new thing? I mean, oh my God, that would just. Hey, the other thing, though, did you guys watch like coming down the stretch in the playoffs?

So I saw all the highlights, but I wasn't watching live. No cell phone policy of the Skokie channel. He went on 18. He hit it, like, right. Like, it was like pinnhyb. It was in the rest of his face. He was, like, just so shocked in the dismay. Like, he was so shocked.

I just wanted to punch him. And then he went long. He went long again. Or it went long, maybe on AT. I don't remember. But either way, like, his face when he hits a bad shot, it just makes me, like, want to punch him directly in the nose. Yeah, he's incredibly unlikable.

Speaking, well, going into somebody who's the exact opposite, Tiger Woods. Kind of a fucking repeat of what we've been seeing, like, the last three or four showings from this guy. He first of all, he started like shit. He was four over through seven holes. Somehow got it back to a 72. Then took it deep on Friday. 67. We're thinking like, okay, here we go. This is it. On the weekend, uh, he went 68, which could have been even lower. I think at one point on Saturday afternoon. He made a put on 15, like a little 15 or 20 footer, a little curler left to rider to get a tie. He's tied for the lead at that point. We're thinking like, let's go.

From that point on, the rest of the tournament, he played at like two over par, I think, at the end of the day, Saturday, and then through Sunday. We got the S. Open next week, Witt. How are you feeling about Eldrick, the guy that played through you? You know him. You've seen him up close. Thoughts on Tiger. Pretty cool to see, you know, the weekend. He played great.

The battle back on Thursday was awesome. He can't put right now, guys. So, listen, I mean, the guy legitimately can't putt. and that's someone that's where maybe the best putter of all time. That's a big worry. Having said that, even if he putted great, it sucks for me going into this U.S. Open Tiger-wise. I'm excited for it.

I love Shinnock. I can't wait to watch it on TV. I hope it's portrayed on TV how good it is in person. But what sucks about Tiger at Shinnock is he has zero percent chance of winning there because he can't drive the ball. And if you don't drive the ball there, of all courses, you're completely fucked because it's a fescue, the tall grass, the lies in the rough, they're just absolute shit.

And hitting into those greens, you have to be coming out of fairways. So I would think right away he has zero chance there. Wow. He did have 31 Puts ball Saturday and Sunday this last week, which is not good, like Witt said, for probably the greatest putter that's ever lived. You know, I don't know that I agree with you that he can't drive the ball. I thought even, I thought, you know. Smoke three wood.

I think smokes that driving iron. If it plays, though, if it plays firm like they want it to, he can get away with three wood a lot out there. He's not going to have to hit driver everywhere, and he knows that. I just think that, okay, so even if he does, he's able to be in play and hitting a ton of fairways, I don't think he can, if he's going to win a major again,

he's going to have to win something beforehand, because I don't care what you say. This guy didn't have nerves before. He has nerves now. Things are different. For him to win, coming down the stretch, US Open, I just can't see it. I think he'd have to do it first in another turn.

tournament type something like the memorial something like you know earlier in the year at arnie's place and he hasn't got it done yet and i think that's going to have to happen before he wins a major i will say this like a picture in your brain that tigers on like the the 12th tee at shinnock on sunday afternoon and he's tied for the lead and he's got it off right now well but then he got he's got a driver in his hand and you're like he's got like five more fairways he's got a hit now with a driver with the lead you're standing there going like there's no chance. There's going to be two of them that are off the planet right and then maybe one left

because it's like under the gun, can that guy hit a driver right now? I don't think so. So that's my big concern too. I just think that's, like, I pictured that moment and thought like I would be the most nervous fucking person in the world, that guy with a big stick in his hand on a U.S. Open, like he's got to hit U.S. Open fairways. You know, I just don't know that he could do it either, which is terrifying. not to mention he's got to figure out how to put. But then, I mean, he's got on, what was it on,

was it Saturday when he, or it was Friday when he hold out for Eagle and the course is going nuts. He gets himself back into contention. So he said, he said, I had some chances to shoot some good rounds this week. Overall, my game is where it needs to be heading into the U.S. Open, which is a positive. So he thinks obviously got a chance. He was at Chinatok. I know two days last week, we had our sources on the ground. The head pro play. with him. Head Pro said that head pro is a pretty good player out there. Head pro was saying Tiger was literally hitting his two iron

pass as driver. So I mean, you know, if he's hitting some irons out there in Three Woods and it's playing firm and fast, I think he's got a shot. If he really has to hit driver, I don't like it. I mean, the picture you just painted of him stepping up to the 12th hole with the driver, it brings me a flashback to Donald Palmer

this year when he was on. What was it? Super Bravo 16. I mean, yeah. Like, when he stepped up to up to 16 with the, with the leaders in sight and he's just like the whole place is going nuts and you're like tigers back he's gonna just rope this one right down the mill and just puts it all b that's exactly the feeling that i'm getting just like whitney said like i feel that coming into this u.s. open i'm nervous he hasn't proven anything otherwise which is unfortunate like every single tournament we've watched him this year

he's always proven that there's one thing that's going to go wrong whether it's his abysmal putting which we're not used to seeing a tiger do or it's just he just can't find the fairer with his driver it just sucks to watch him it's one or the other He just can't piece it all together for four straight days. He really can't put it. If he had put it even decently, his 67 on Friday should have been like a 63. But I think even on the 67 on Friday, didn't he start like the front nine off with like 13 putts? Like I think he started.

I was reading, so I think it may have been Saturday. I was golfing Saturday. I was kind of following through on Tiger Tracker. And they were talking about like he was just lights out in the front nine. And then it just always just kind of just, you know, comes back to life, which is, which sucks. He doesn't have that, like, magic right now where you can piece it all together for four rounds. And I just don't think it's going to happen next week. It's just not enough time.

Frankie. What? How's your game right now, buddy? Listen, we talked about it a little bit before. I mean, I'm holding the butter knife in my hand every time I fucking hold a wedge. It's very interesting. It's very interesting. I'm starting to think that someone may have messaged him in the control room about.

No, swear to God. I just remember. I just randomly, I had never talked to you, but golf, so it's so interested. Like, what's your handicap? I'm playing at, I'd say, 13 right now. I haven't been, this year is the first year. I really haven't inputted any of my scores because I haven't had a chance to play. But I've played four rounds.

Are you playing, like, are you playing, like, legit, like, matches? Are you playing with buddies who are, like, do it? I'm in a divot. I'm just going to roll it over and put it in the fairway. Or is it, like, get serious, like, you know, good golf. It depends on who I'm playing with. I've only played, like, four or five, times this year. I'd say half the time I'm playing with someone that's pretty serious,

whether it be at least one person in my group that just rides in my cart, or it be, you know, we'll have a match amongst the four of us. But, yeah, we play pretty seriously. I've been kind of the ringleader of my buddies who, like, have taken golf seriously, and I think they're all starting to come around on it. You know, it used to be just, like, go out and drink, and now it's like, let's go out there and, like, have some fun. Frankie also grew up caddy, so he's got, you know, he knows the game a little bit. Oh, my God. I would love that Frankie's a catty. I'd fucking abuse my bed. Give me my club, you stupid pitch. No one will ever abuse me.

I've been there before, man. My first ever loop, I think I've told this on this podcast. My first ever loop, man, the guy grabbed my neck and said, don't you ever touch my fucking ball. And I swear to God, I've never been the same since. This guy, I didn't tell you guys this. Really? No, you never told us it.

I'm on my... Grab you on the net. I'm in the Garden City Men's Club, one of the nicest country clubs in the world, right? It's like... This place is a track, dude. Oh, yeah. It's unbelievable. They have a helicopter pad there for, like, James Dolan,

fly in. I mean, Trump used to play there. Eli Manning's a member. Here comes Frankie the caddy. I was like 15 years old. I got a loop I got a looping job there. Because I ended up, I was, I was such a weird kid growing up. I'd go and like golf by myself when my dad was at the restaurant. Like, if

you didn't have time off and my friends weren't that into it, I'd like go and just go on the golf course by myself. I'd play at the bet paid black when I was 15 years old and like, I'd suck really. Not that weird. But, you know, I mean, playing by yourself when you're a kid is like, I always remember just, I was remember just like showing up to these foursums and these older men just being like had this like 15 year old and 14 year old kid like what like he just like brought himself here what he got dropped off

like it was just a very strange thing i was i was playing with older men and i ended up linking up this guy who was the caddy master at garden city men's club whatever long story short i end up caddy and they were like 14 or 15 first loop ever had no idea what i was doing but i knew the game a little bit they sent me out with one of like the best caddies just to show me the ropes and but i think that there was a little bit of a job going on in the back room because they gave me like this old-ass judge who everyone hated. It's like judge whatever. And I can't remember the guy's name because this moment's so scarred from me.

I always remember just the moment. We got to find his name. He's probably dead by now because the guy was fucking old as broke. Judge Small. Yes, he was just the guy was old as dirt. He was the worst person ever. But basically a couple holes go by. I feel like I'm, you know, I'm getting in the groove of it.

I know how to like, I know where my place is. I know how to speak to the guys. I know where I'm supposed to be. I'm starting to feel it out. and the judge hits one into the woods on one of these holes and they're playing a huge match, right? Like apparently this guy played for like a lot of money.

I mean, I'm sure Whitney, you've been in like that crew right now where you guys are playing like really high stakes golf and, you know, things get pretty high intense. And I obviously don't know that world when I'm 15 years old.

Exactly what Whit does. Right. So I don't know this world when I'm 15 years old but I know I probably should have because I'm on a fucking country club and like I shouldn't just know my place. But the other catty goes, hey, Frankie, why don't you go in the woods

and go grab that ball? It's OB. There's no chance he can hit it. He's going to have to play. You don't playable, even if you find it. So why don't you go grab it? And then I will, I'll help you out. And, you know, like, I'll watch the next ball. His provisional.

So the guy hits a provisional. I go in. I go on my hands and knees. I'm inside the woods. I fucking find this ProVy one. I see it. It's got like, the judge written on the ball. I'm like, let's go.

I'm like, I found the ball. So I come running out with it. And I'm like holding it over my hand. I'm like, Judge, I found the ball. I found her ball. I'm like, here it is. Here it is. And he comes up to me.

He's like waving at the woods. He's like, go back in there. Go in the fucking woods. I'm like, what? I'm looking at the cat. Like, what the fuck is he doing? Like, why is he so mad at me? I found the ball.

I'm like, I found the ball. He hit another one, right? And the cat is just like shaking his head. Like, no. Like, I'm like, what do you mean? No. The guy comes up to me and he goes, I'm out of the hole. You go on ahead.

And he comes out to me grabs my neck. And he goes, lesson, kid, don't ever grab someone's fucking ball when they're playing for $1,000 a hole. What a loser. I was like, what a loser? I was like, what do you mean? It was unplayable. He goes, I decide if it's unplayable. I don't need some 15-year-old kid to tell me where I'm going to hit my ball.

I'm like, sir, he goes, don't speak again. Oh, and like, while my hand is on my, shit, his hand was on my neck. So I'm looking down at the ground like this, like, sir, I don't know, man. He's like, don't you ever ever touch my ball again. Dad, damn, did I never touch another fucking ball again. He's probably dead now, so it's fine. I know. I hope so.

I wish I could find his grave and just fucking. drop a couple balls on it. What an asshole, the judges. God. So, yeah, I'm pretty scarred from that. But it taught me, you know, my place. I had, I had like, I had like a four-gener-fits-drow that catty-wise, and I was like, dude, have a beer.

Have beer. Have a beer. I'm like, no, no, no. I'm like, dude, have a beer. I kind of won't. I'm sure you won't say anything. I'm like, yeah, and then he crushed, like, three beers. I was going to, you're getting a ride at home, right?

He's like, yeah, my mom picks me up. Yeah. That was always, there's always just those groups that you knew when you were going out. Like I had this one guy, his name was actually, his name was Ryan. His last name was Ryan. And whenever I got him, I would just hop on the back of his cart and I would do four putters. He'd give me like $450 just to do four putters. And they'd like, they'd do everything.

They'd be smoking cigars and they'd be giving me cigars. I'm like 16 years old. I'd come home, like smelling like cigar, smoke. My mom was like, what are you doing on the golf course? I'm like, it was the Ryans. I'm like, I'm fucking rich. I have like $500 in my pocket. I used to love it.

And then I'd have guys like the judge who'd want to murder me and skin me like alive and hold me on a steak. Oh, shit. Whitney, I'd love to play with you. I actually would love to play with you. I'm going to come up there at some point, and then we'll all get around, and there's plenty of it. I mean, the best thing about where you guys live,

is I know it's not close, it's not easy to get out of the city, and they're private, but, I mean, you won't. It's the best golf in the country. I will argue that with anyone. That area, the Hamptons, you know, where Wingfoot is, like Westchester,

it's just so sick. Have you ever played the black? lack of Whitney? No, I actually did. I haven't. And I started to kind of looking into it. Because I was like, I heard you just sleep over in my car. I'm like, there's no chance I'm listening.

Listen. But then somebody said you could pay somebody to do it. No, no, no. Really, really, really want to do. The rigs will tell you. We have some ways around this, Whitney. We, we, we, that's just, that's an old myth that they spread to try to keep people like you, you, you pigeons from going out to the course.

We want to keep it that way, though. Right. That's like, do you know what the Beth page to hold that fucking long island? you like sneaky Long Island fucks have been doing for like two decades now you've been painting this like mythical narrative

that it's impossible to go play the black course so nobody goes over dude I fucking logged in online two months ago I played I just logged in online went and I just played the black Saturday at like 1230 three weeks in a row no problem for some no problem I saw your pictures that was like

it was like the greens were probably punch itself wasn't that like the greens were perfect I mean it was early spring here, but it was like, this was, like, this was, what, May, like the very first weekend in May? I'm out there. U.S. Open golf course. They keep this thing in crime condition all year out. This was, like, a month ago when I played, that's the same time that they're going to be hosting

the PGA championship next year. Yeah, that's actually crazy. They have to get a little worried about the weather when it comes to that. That's true. That is very true. I mean, I just, I can't wait to play that place. That's a big time simulator choice from Irma in the Winter Endorse Plan. And it's just, I mean, that whole area. I think it's hard. That's what they do.

That's what they actually do. And it's almost a wide still that it's so hard to play in which I thought. They keep them. It is smart. And I'm just people, local people like this is great. Oh, we love it. It's like 70 bucks for locals too. It's a genius.

I roll up there. I walk onto the black. It's like 65 bucks. And I play in like four hours. And I'm home. It's a top three course I've ever played. Is there no cards? There's no cards, right?

No, you can take a caddy. It's like, whatever. I mean, I think it's like an extra hundred bucks. Yeah, but yeah, you definitely want to walk a place like that, but I ain't carrying my back. I don't really walk. So while we've got you on that discussion, last thing before we got to let you go, the push cart debate last week. I think it was Harris English who put out this tweet because the NCAAs are on. Almost everybody or a lot of people in the NCAAs are rocking push carts.

Harris English tweets out, I can't take the push cards seriously. Starts a fucking shit storm. Everybody's weighing in. People are swearing each other. I said if you are upset, about people rocking push carts, you're a fucking loser. I had people sending me eight emails. Like, I know Harris English.

One of my friends, he's not a fucking loser. I was like, he sounds like a fucking loser to me. So, Witt, thoughts on push cards. Hmm. How do I word it? Oh, boy. No, I mean, oh, boy. I would never use one.

I tried one one one. I tried one. I was like, this isn't even easier. It's harder. You push that thing around. And then more than anything, it was like the younger kids, if my son was 14 or 15 and he had one of those to carry his bag, I think I'd go rip the bag off the push cart and then just dummy him with it because you cannot be a college kid pushing your golf bag around. I mean, you got to carry a bag. I mean, all these old – it sounds old school.

I'm not going to like hate on people. It's like I'm not like someone who's like pissed off about it, but it was like, son I would be. what I'm saying, kind of. I wouldn't want someone in my family doing it, but I wouldn't hate you for doing it. I just think you kind of fall. Yeah, I see, I get that it's a really dumb look. I think it looks fucking stupid. I would never rock one. I never have, but I also get, especially in college, like, if you're playing, you're playing, they do like 36 whole days. You're playing in college and you want to win and you think it's going to, like, you know, preserve energy or whatever the fuck you think, uh, and you

think you have a competitive advantage because you put your, your clubs on a cart, like you're at the damn grocery store. That's completely fine with me. I don't mind it. But I do get that it's a dumb look. I think it's all Harris English meant when he said it. He was like, this kind of looks ridiculous. Didn't think he wasn't saying like,

fuck anyone he uses a push cart. He kind of got a lot of blowback from that. But I think it's a dumb look. I would never do it. But I couldn't care less if somebody else pushes their clubs around. Like, who cares? Yeah. And also, like, it's so funny.

What Harris thinks is like, you never know when you're just going to cause an absolute shit going on the end of that. He probably just was like sitting on the couch. He's like, this is ridiculous. And boom, it was like golf central the first thing they talked about with fucking Whit Watson or whatever his name is. But the whole thing, like, watching at it, it just looks goofy. The funniest thing, though, is the old dudes who have, like, the remote control, so they're bombing around and it's, like, turning and, like, following them. It's, like, they have, like, nasty ones for old dudes, but that's the only time I would have used one.

And even then, I play places where I just have a catty. Yeah, my... I love walking with a caddy. Oh, that. That's great. My boy, Anil up at Granite Links, had one of the remote control ones that we call it R2D2, because it would be you'd look out and see this fucking guy anywhere on the course, and like 11 feet in front of him would be his cart, moving at the same pace he is, just like 10 feet in front of him.

That's great. All right, Witt, we know you've got to go. We appreciate you jumping on. Oh, wait, Rick, I have a question. Did you win or lose that thing in Chicago? We fucking lost. It was... Oh, my God.

I played with Jamo? I played with Jamo, Jeremy Moran, my boy. We played in the same group on Sunday. And I lost. He won, and then it came down to the 18th, my buddy, Jamos brother, Chad. You know, Chad. Yeah. He was in an absolute battle with the chairman after being way down.

He was down like three or four, and he battled back to get it to even. He had to win, and he didn't get the win on 18. We were all going. We were all fucking circled around. He was devastated. We were devastated. They were drinking right in our face. It was tough with.

It's very tough to, like, you know, you do a golf podcast so people know what you're doing. And it's tough to the dentist and go in until you lost. I talked about a trip on, check about that. I had to come on. I had to say I lost. I had a name guy's name from the winning team. Oh.

It's the worst time to have a podcast when you lose. You can go on and talk about your lives. I was. Either way. I was broadcasting it and everybody's face. Like, look how cool this tournament is. everyone's DMing me back. Like, you win, you win?

I'm like, shut up, dude. It doesn't matter. You've been very honorable, though. You've come clean about the whole thing. Thank you. I appreciate that. Yeah. Have you won any of those over and undersers you put out?

Dude, I'm one in five. I fucking, the two times I didn't do it. So the... How much do you down? I'm down like, $450 bucks against random stooleys. I'm like, oh, this will be so fun. I'm going to get people engaged. I've been playing really well.

These guys all think I suck. I've been breaking 80 and out of problem. I'm like setting at 79 and a half. I'm shooting like 83, 82. 84. I just can't, I'm not even close on some of these. And then the two rounds, I didn't do it in there because strict cell phone policy, I'm at Friars Head out there. I shoot 72, my career low, didn't do it that day. And then out at Trump Ferry Point, I shot a 78, and it was fucking pouring rain.

So I couldn't be on my phone, so I didn't do it that day either. And then every other time that I've done it. So I'm one in five. I've been getting dusted by Stoys. Lost $450 a bunch of idiots online. Either way That's good That's good content You should get people involved But I was like

God he keeps showing up losses here This can't be good But It's a lot of L Skokie Challenge L and all that So It'll turn Witt

It'll turn Yep All right boys Frankie It was good to You know It's good This is what it should be

If you weren't So hateful For me all the time It would be like this more often It would be I mean Yeah this is nice I'd like to

I'd like to hit the links with you. Maybe you can teach me how to hit my goddamn sandwich. That'd be nice. That's when I'll really start taking you seriously. If you can help me hit a sandwich onto the green, then maybe I'll take you seriously. I actually think I can help. If you have any sort of athleticism in that body, I can help.

Okay. I'm talking, Frankie came out of the bathroom earlier, looking over his shoulder because he's so nervous about what we know about his wedge game. He thought his buddies were sending us videos privately, like look at Frankie's wedge game. Nothing worse. Nice job. Nice job.

I shot in 87 and I didn't hit one wet shot on the green So I added a stroke to at least 11 holes I was 10 I was 10 I was 10 each short game isn't terrible though 10 to oh no he's like he's talking like chips and stuff Chips he's missing the green with chips so like so when I'm so let's say a par five I hit a great drive I smoke my three wood I'm right up against the lip of the green I take out my sandwich I skull it over the green oh my God man that's I'm gonna that's tough to walk It's tough to hear about it.

I was telling Regs and Trent before, I might as well just like put the ball. If I'm 20 yards in it, I might as well just put it up. Because what I'm doing right now is I'm just wasting a stroke. I was telling them, I scream out loud saying, I am now in the same position I was 10 seconds ago, and I'm hitting the same shot, but now my stroke is just plus one. Like, it's insane. That's so frustrating. That's almost, I mean, when you can't drive the ball, golf is the worst thing in the world,

because you can't get out of the ball, you're out of every hole. But if you are driving it well, and even hitting nice and foot shots, and then you're so close to the whole, like, doubles and tripled, that is some terrible. Yeah, I feel for you to you, Frankie, actually.

I was in front of the green, just real quick, I was in front of the green in two on a 545-yard par five, I made a seven. It's insane. I was like, I remember walking at the ball being,

like, I was right there and two. I was fucking, right there. We could see my footsteps. I was right there in two, in two, two shots. Now I'm walking off, I had a seven. When you're doubling holes, when you're not even losing a ball or like in a

hazard, that's like, it's like, oh my God, I'm going to pushmash my head in with this. I actually thought about being an old-ass man and taking like a seven iron and playing bump and run golf from like 50 yards and in. The double... Guarantee you'd score better. It's like when they say if you just, if there was no flags in the

green, you played, and every green have a flag you would like they say on average shoot like two to three you know numbers better than than your usual scores just like looking at the middle of the grain who knows the old double with that with the same golf ball the whole time is the worst oh yeah it's the worst it's I mean there's so many worse feelings there's just like so few great feelings and they happen so few times but we love it even though there's a million times more just terrible feelings of the game of golf that's why it's it's like gambling it's like gambling it's like gambling You know, the losses keep you going some fucked up way.

How did you make double there, Riggs? Well, I literally hit the ball seven times. Seven fucking times I had to hit the golf ball. And that three-foot pot that I missed, that counted the same as the 290-yard drive I did. Somehow that equals out, and they matter the same amount. Explain that to me. It's like, I love golf. I'm obsessed.

But for people who hate it, I'm like, dude, I understand, man. This fuck. I'm like jealous of people that hate it. I'm like, that would be great if I just. just never win played golf. It's so fucking. Yeah, there's actually parts of me that, parts of me, parts of me fully are like,

I'm obsessed with this. It's like almost like, like a junkie or something. Like, it's like you know you have a problem, but what are you supposed to do about it? Like, is there AA for golf?

I don't know. I didn't go someday, though. There was a time in my singles match where I said out loud when I knew nobody else was around me here. I said, like,

this isn't even fun. What are we doing here? To myself. Like, What are we doing here? This isn't fun. That's a true feeling. It's funny, though, ever since I had, you know,

we had a son my first born six months ago. So this is my first time really golfing since the season started. But I'm having more fun. I've had my times when I'm still, and I can be a miserable, mean prick out there when I'm losing and playing bad. But it's been better in terms of like, I don't know,

there's like something different. You're going home to him. And it's just like it's made me relax a little bit. It's actually made me play a little better. So the time will come once you knock. You knock a girl up. I've got to knock somebody up. I'll be fine out there.

Great advice. I will say, me and Witt, when we're both not playing well in the same cart, is not a good sight. Oh, man. Has that happened before? But I'm working on it. I'm trying, I don't want to bring groups down anymore when I'm playing like a donkey. I love it. Absolutely.

Unless I'm with Frankie, then I'll be a real prick. All right, Witt. All right, guys. We appreciate it. We'll talk to you soon, pal. All right, that was our pal, Ryan Whitney. Always good to have him on the show. He talked a little bit there at the end about being a father.

It was nice for me to talk about a very, very touchy little moment there from our good friend Whit. That's nice. You know, we're a little uplifting, kind of remembering, trying to remind everyone to keep things in perspective. It's a different side of Whitney. Usually he's making fun of Frankie Borelli or calling people a Muppet. To hear that it softened him up a little bit during his golf game was nice to hear. He's like, I'm not losing my mind out there because I remember that I have a son to go home to and all that. Very lovely.

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Because on Barstall Radio, it's madness. And Dave kind of goes you into you guys fighting. But when you come to golf, you can kind of relate to each other. So there's two different, now I guess there's three different versions of me and Whitney. On Barstle Radio, I have all the control because I get to play his Muppet music. I get to hang up on him. I literally have my finger on his voice. And if I don't agree with something he's saying, I can bring it down.

I can bring it up. It's a great situation for me. I just have the upper hand. The other place is now Twitter, where he has thousands and thousands and hundreds of thousands of more Twitter followers than me. And he just dummies me every tweet he sends out. He crosses your ratios. And he gets, and we've talked about the ratios.

And he gets me with every single tweet he hits. And, you know, it's fun. It's all fun in games. I get my digs at him. He gets his digs at me, which are always better. because he's just a professional hockey player. You just, like, what am I going to say to him? Like, oh, you're just a pro athlete.

The way that fucking guy says Pigeon and Muppet is hilarious. Right. So he dummies me there. So, you know, it's a nice even playing field, which actually I wouldn't even call it even. He's always defeating me. But when we come here, now this is our third, you know, our third way of communicating. Actually, this is a nice safe space. Between these walls feels good.

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You know, they were really putting a tough spot this time, I feel like, and at least they tried. They got closer than they've ever gotten, really. And that is that they had the times on, so they had the times on Sunday were pushed up like six hours because of the rain. So they went off between 730 and 930, I think. The times they went off. They're supposed to go. Leaders usually go off at like 240 on a Sunday. So they pushed them up.

Then Golf Channel did some live coverage. PGA Tour Live was doing featured groups. So if you have PGA Tour Live, which if you're out there and you don't have it, you're dumb, you need to get it. I think it's like 40 bucks or something for the whole year. It pre-Tiger, I don't know if it was necessarily worth it if you weren't like a huge golf guy. That's exactly when I bought it. I went up to Trent and I said, what are you guys watching on? because it was Tiger's first round.

I couldn't do the whole Reddit stream thing. It just became too much for me. It's way too, you know, all the pop-ups and stuff. And half the time it doesn't work. I said, what is this? And it was like, yeah, it's like $2.50 a month or something like ridiculous. I'm like to watch Tiger play like four times a month. Like it's, are you kidding me?

Now, for most people, it's basically Tiger Cam. It's like anytime he's playing golf, you can just watch him live. And it's the closest thing to watching just like exclusively Tiger Cam. I think we need to get to that point. I saw your tweet about that. That's a genius idea. I'll pay, like, double what I pay now for the PG-Tor Live if I can just get pure Tiger. What's annoying to me is you would think, right, that, like, the focus on just one group would be great that Tiger's in that group because it's just three guys.

Like, legit 66% of the time, they're just not showing Tiger. And I'm like, what am I doing watching J.B. fucking Holmes, like, put the ball around the golf course. Get out of here. Just show me. I want to watch Tiger watch J.B. Holmes. That's what I want to watch is literally keep a camera on Tiger Woods the entire time. So they should have, like, PGA Tour.

live should be 40 bucks. You can pay like an extra 20 and you get just Tiger Cam with like a different set of announcers that are literally just commentating on the camera that's watching and following Tiger Woods the entire time. When he's pulling out his yardage book, we should be watching that. Yes. Everything. Literally everything he does.

It might be off putting when you watch it, but I wouldn't even need announcers. I would watch him in silence. Just like watching him interact, watch him walk. I would be totally fine with that. I almost don't want announcers. Like it should come on the second he steps out of his car in the parking lot, the camera feed should just come on. And it's just there's Tiger.

They got out of the car. The sports, not to that extent. That would be amazing. But, like, when you watch football and you watch it on one of these apps, like sometimes the ESPN app allows you to watch, like, the end-to-end camera. Like, you know, you can strictly watch the one that's above the quarterback. And even basketball, they have, like, different angles now. I was watching on the train home, the NBA finals game, and there was four different camera angles from four different broadcasts.

It was like ESPN, one, two, three, like, whatever. And you can watch different angles. And one would, like, one would be, like, just LeBron. And the other one was, like, just, it was crazy. And, like, that is insane to us that we can't just do this with, in a sport that is primarily everyone's watching it for one player. Right. At least in basketball, you have to see the ending of, like, you know, the game. Right.

In golf, we have to just watch Tiger. Legitimately, even, like, when they put the scoreboard up and stuff for, like, they do it for, like, a minute or two at a time when they're, like, on break technically or whatever, what are you doing? Like, like, show Tiger. Yeah. Just all they would have to do is add one camera. Because you can still activate all the ones they currently have to show the shots, like capture the ball in the air. and all that stuff, they would have to add one camera that just literally only looks at Tiger the whole time. Oh, yeah, we have this figured out for sure.

That's it. And then I'll pay an extra. I'd pay $80 a year. If it's $40 now, whatever fuck it is, I'd pay double that. Just watch, I just have Tiger Live. That's what it should be called Tiger Woods Live. And the second, and then it goes until the second that he walks into, that he leaves the property. It just shows Tiger the whole time.

Right. Now, this whole new way of watching golf is great, right? the app and MPGA Tour Live and CBS Sports app and all this stuff is great. And obviously the age of watching golf and people that are even listening to this podcast that are able to download stuff and go on their phone, they'll all be able to watch the golf. But someone like my dad that really wanted to watch the golf the other day and just like had no idea that it had gone off at like 6 a.m.

And just like turned on golf at 2 o'clock and like just watch Tiger Woods tee off on the first hole. Meanwhile, he was fucking done for the day and real. was such a moment to me where I was like, what the fuck did golf do today? Like, how did they not? I know that there was announcements. I know they ended up going live at some point. But, like, it wasn't that, like, it wasn't that up front in your face that it was a delay.

But honestly, your poor father. Isn't that what CBS and these networks are banking on, though? They're banking on that. The older people in their crowd just don't have Twitter and don't have phones. And they're not even going to notice that this is like a delayed coverage. There was a point where he, like, screamed up to my room. And he's like, Tiger just got a birdie. I'm like on one.

He just buried one. I'm like, he's done for the day. And he lost. He went out of balance. Like, he just, what are you talking about? He already's done. Like, what are you talking about? I actually don't see that as a problem, though.

Like, if that's how your dad wants to kill. I'm jealous of your pop. Yeah, me too. I feel the same way. Like, that's how my dad consumes golf now, too. And if they have no idea, they don't have social media, they have no idea that the golf is actually happening, then who are we to be like, you should be watching it on PJ's like, but it's not even guys in my group chat.

They're like, where the fuck is the golf right now? I'm just trying to, I saw people on Twitter saying, like Fidelberg was tweeting like, can I watch golf? Yeah. Like, you're not going to grab. The problem is you're not going to make a tournament that Tiger Woods is literally just skyrocketing up this leaderboard. You're not going to catch the eyes of, you know, the national audience if you're making it impossible to watch. A guy like Fidelberg couldn't turn it on.

Like, just like you can with any other sport. Like, he just couldn't do it. You have to download the fucking app. He had to like put in his like, his TV provider. There should just be like an emergency live like team with golf. that like under any circumstances, they could just go live with the golf and follow like two groups. Right.

It does seem like they... And you would think the golf channel... Whichever one Tiger Woods is in and the final group. Like that should be... You think the golf channel on TV should be able to do that. Just like... Just kick whatever else is off on TV and just go live. Like a snap group thing.

They have a deal with the PGA tour or rights or whatever. And just boom, snap. They're just live with the cover. It is amazing. You're never not live with Tiger Woods. He should be on television. Everything he does should be on television. amazing that every time this happens, it does seem like this is the first time it's ever

happened. They're like, well, we don't know. I don't know what to do. Right. I have no fucking idea. And I get there's contractual obligations and they have this agreement to put this on the air at that time. I don't give a fuck. Kick it off. We, nobody needs to be convinced that Tiger Woods is golf. He's the, he is the needle. The ratings are up more than he's literally, he's himself is worth more than the rest of golf combined. Correct. In terms of the interest level, the ratings are up more than 50%, which means that he's literally worth more than every. everything else combined. So, like, he just has to be on television.

He has to be. I don't care about anything else. And, I mean, they made the right decision, obviously, right, for the golfers to move it up, but was there ever a point? Like, did it end up just getting a washout afterwards? Like, I don't know what the, like, was the weather correct? Like, good question. I don't even know.

Like, I don't know. Or could they have just golf at the regular time and then just, like, push it to Monday and stuff? And, you know, he really would have built a lot of the energy up. And I was actually surprised that they decided to get it to go earlier. Because like you said, like, just have him grind through the rain and get the tiger push. Right. Like get the interest in Tiger.

Get the TV rating. It just sucks on a day that he was like, you know, people were buzzing. He was like going after pins. He was like almost holing out on shots in the front night. It's like here we fucking go. Dude, it was so. And no one could watch it. Devastating for me because at the Skokie Challenge, Skokie is a very old school course, very strict no cell phone policy.

But I was thinking like, okay, like we're teoffin like nine or ten. We're done by like one or two. Tigers, if he's in the mix. Oh, man. Like even like weeks ago. I was like, if he's in the mix, I'll be done. So you actually did what you were the opposite of me. You were the opposite of Trent.

You were what he was horrified about. Right. I was going into the day, you were fine. I was going into your day. Trent was horrified. And then as I'm going to sleep, I'm like, they announced like they're teeing off, tigers teeing off at like 8.15 in the morning. I was like, what are you talking about?

He's tegobby 15 in morning. He's like five shots off the Lee's. Do you guys think they should have grind it through the rain and started at regular time? You know, look, I don't run tournaments and stuff. So it's, like, really tricky. You've got all the ticket sales for Sunday. You want to make sure those people get to see the golf. From the broadcasting standpoint, I'm sure there's enough people like your father, Frankie,

that it's worth it for them to just put it on in the afternoon. I would have done anything, like Trent said, to just go sit down on my TV yesterday at 2 p.m. and be like, oh, there's Tiger I won. Let's go. That would have been awesome, and a lot of people probably experience it that way. So it just probably doesn't make enough sense for them at this point, but it's like they're just, like I said, there needs to be like a snap emergency kit team that can just go live with Tiger Woods on television at any moment.

The fact that there's a literal channel dedicated to golf and they just can't do what you're doing is crazy. They just haven't figured it out. They have the golf channel. The golf channel. The golf channel is golfing. And it was like, oh, it's NBC and they got all this. They have the golf channel. Tiger Woods is golfing.

Let's put it on. That's the channel. It should be off. Yeah. Like, it would be one thing if it was only NBC and CBS and like, oh, we got all this other stuff. But it's like, we got a whole channel, bud. The golf channel quite literally showed a hockey game this year in the playoffs. They did.

We didn't show Tiger. It's crazy. But you're right. The Fidelberg thing is very important because what we're saying like, oh, these older people who are going to catch it to do no matter what. But it's for the casual sports fan, which is plugged in and is on Twitter. It's just like, I don't know where the golf is. Which the golf, the golf community, the golf industry needs that.

They need Fidelbergs. They need Dave to tweet about it. They need everyone to just like, everyone was tweeting about Tiger. And I think half of it was just going off like GC Tiger tracker. Like, no one even knew what the fuck was going on at some point. Like, oh, my God, he's golfing. So that's what I had to put on. GC target tracker alerts on my phone.

What do you guys think about that guy, by the way? I had to try to sneaky grab it. I think it's great. I think it's a good. I think the guy's a legend. I love everything about it. He's great. I mean, like, we don't know who he is. We don't know what he looks like. I don't know if you guys do. We know who he is. You guys know who he is. Oh, we know. We do.

Holy shit. I don't know if I want to know. He probably don't. I don't think I do. You don't want to know? Which is crazy because I always think I want to know. I mean, we're not going to say it on the show because we don't do that. We might tell you off. So the weird, yeah, oh, yeah. I might just text it to you if you say,

I don't know. I don't, I text to you right now. No, I don't want to know at all. It's one of the situations where you say you do want to know, and then when you find out you have a way to know, you're like, oh, actually, no, no, no, I don't. You're looking at the way right now. I don't think you want to know. You shouldn't know.

I love everything about him being anonymous. I love it. I love it. I love it when he talks back to fans. He's so cocky. Very kind. He's. And it's a situation where, like, where you're saying, like, if you're in a pinch and you can't get to a TV or PJ or TV or Live, he is very on top of the Tiger stuff.

Oh, yeah. Oh, he's all over. He's in the road. He's every shot. I mean, he tweets about every shot in pretty good detail. Exactly what happens. He's hilarious. That's what I was going by for the second half of his round.

The first half I was able to catch of Tiger's round. And then we're like teeing off and I'm like trying to keep up. I'm like trying to look at my phone. I got this intense match going on. I'm like losing the match. I'm like, losing the match. I'm in a good mood. Like Tiger made a couple of birdies.

Then he starts making bogeys that I'm making bogeys. So it was a weird day for me. Yeah. But golf, it just needs to be on. The cover needs to be on when tigers on. Snap. Maybe we'll offer our services. We should be the snap team that would be ready to go at any moment.

Snap golf. The bar still just like this. We'll be the Tiger team. What a name. How great would that be? With the Tiger team. There's got to be some militaristic background of that. The Tiger team.

Pretty sure that's a thing. That's like with chaps, whenever him and his buddies had the Tokyo's buddy important. That's like the Tiger team. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Here we come. Here we come with a tiger team. What happened?

Two times are moved up. It sounds like Tiger team. Frankie, Trent, ready to go. We're the Tiger team. We assemble. Assemble. Tiger team assemble. I also got to talk about Patrick Cantlay.

He is unwatchable. And he's got a very emotional background. He's got a fascinating story. We're all rooting for him as a person and as a player, 100%. He is unwatchable. It is anxiety through the roof. How many times he, he, he, he, he settles his feet, wiggles his feet,

no less than like, I don't know, 50 times before every shot. One guy sent a video out there. He looked at the hole once he had like, he, so they try to cut, God bless the TV crew, you can tell they try to cut to him as close to when he's actually going to strike the ball as they can. It's like a crab shoot, right? And one time they cut to him, he looked at the hole while he's addressed it. Like he could hit it in any second.

he looked at the whole 13 times after that 13 times up down up down 13 times and the whole time his fucking toes are wiggling the whole time like it was anxiety through the route I was like I'm frozen on the couch when he doesn't I'm just frozen and I'm like Nick hit the ball hit the ball hit the ball Nick Fado's getting all riled up about it and he's got the quote he said you'll have time to go make a coffee or double espresso before he hits the ball father was all riled up about and you know that there's a producer in the truck that's you know he's making all the guys who were on the switchboard you know cut the different stuff of places and they're like

he's up and they're probably saying just wait wait all right go to him he's about to hit and then 13 shots later they all have their hands on their heads Willie Wallace and Braveheart hold hold when they're coming in and the guys are getting real nervous like I think we got to go and then they go through where you're going to watch a fucking guy trying to hit the ball the guy on the switchboard

is just like shaking like I'm going to do what he's going to hit it and they're going to miss it and then there's just dead silence for 15 minutes. Like, well, you fucking ruined it that time, Brian. That Cantlay's not even close to hitting the ball yet, guys. What are we doing? They had to do a couple times they had to go to him and go away from them and they come back to him.

We're going to do like the we went too early. We're going to go over to like Tiger real quick who goes through his whole pre-shot routine, hits a shot, and it cut back to K. I mean, he's everything he's everything we talked about in the, when we talked about golf pet peeves. It's like playing with a guy like that. I mean, it's... There was one guy who tweeted at me. He said that Catlay was over. over the ball, and this guy accidentally sat on his remote controller and hit rewind.

So it starts rewinding. He, like, panics, like, oh, shit, stops it, hits the live button. It takes a second to catch up. Goes live. Hadn't hit the ball yet. It's incredible. Oh, man. So it would be nice if Patrick Cantlay would play a little quicker.

I think that's it for us this week. Anybody got anything else? Oh, how did our boy finish? Oh, Lucas Glover. How did Lucas? Hot start? Hot start. He was one off the lead.

I remember you came into the radio room when we were doing Barso Radio. Radio was about the time that he was finishing his, I think, first or second round. Yeah. So it was Thursday afternoon and you just came in. You're like, Lucas Glover's minus four right now. We just gave each other like a huge fistbone. Like, let's go.

He finished three under T-52. He shot a 67 on Friday, 74, 72, 72. So 74 Friday, it might have been an ugly night in the Glover household on Friday. He only only made 20 grand. she's not happy man that's not good enough it just it feels like kind of gone the other way 74 72 72 67

she might be happy yeah this when you go Lucas when you go 67 74 72 I mean that poor guy he's in trouble he's a fucking loser every through the weekend he's like oh no

it's happening he's got to have a tough week it's awesome just waiting for her to drop that L bomb on him when he gets home it's a real shame You fucking lose you. And you know, too, he got a lot of confidence on Thursday,

said, like, oh, honey, you remember how to play this fucking game? He's probably cooking him dinner. They're fucking. Just giving him a couple of cocktails. Saturday comes up. All his clothes are on the front. All his clothes are on the front porch on Saturday night. I got a date with another guy.

Yeah. He comes home, and another guy's, like, lighting up, like, the candles on a dinner table. What the fuck is this? She's, like, 74. People are into it, too. I have people tweeting to me like, Who is our boy? There you go, 67.

Get him. That was rooting for him so hard on Thursday. He was like leading the tournament for a while on Thursday. I almost just threw up. Oh, man. All right, that's it for us this week. We will be back next week. Is U.S. Open week?

Yep. Very exciting stuff. Very exciting. That's all I got. Hit it hard.