Fore Play - Dustin Johnson Joins, and the PIP Battles Are Heating Up

Episode Date: May 27, 2021

Dustin Johnson (80:26), the no. 1 ranked player in the world, joins the pod for the first time. We get great intel into DJ’s superstitions and the most nervous he’s ever been over a golf ball. Before DJ, we get into the infamous Brooks vs Bryson video and subsequent online banter. Does Phil run 100% of his Twitter account? How much is PIP impacting all of this?You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

Hey, 4Play listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Forward Play, I'm sorry, Barstool Sports. We are back, and we have a massive guest on the show. I don't know that we've ever had in the history of this show, the number one ranked player in the world on the show. But Dustin Johnson, the current number one ranked golfer on this here, the planet Earth, is on the show. We've got Dustin Johnson. it we're going to get to that we got to talk owens mixtures first which is of course the best mixture

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We absolutely did. But it was in no way, shape, or form of meat and greet. For sure, number one in the mixer space. I see that. I see people talking about the mixer rankings a lot, at least on the internet. And Owens is always number one. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

It's a popular ranking. Yeah. Locked up for all the majors, a bunch of rider cup points and stuff because, you know, Owens mixers is just dominating the mixer game. So they got the Barstool Transfusion, which we love, which was sold out every day at the PGA Championship, according to my on-site Intel. And we just love them. So big thanks to Owens.

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CVS, folks, right? Like, if you haven't, then you're never going to just make it through life, I would say. So, yeah, you probably have heard of CVS. And Owens is in CVS. So you're welcome. Do you know what CBS stands for? No. No.

Certified vasectomy center. Center is a C. Oh, yes. That rolled, though, Trent. I will say that was not. I'm just going to slowly roll my chair out of the room. What does it stand for, Frank? Customer value service?

Consumer value store. Pretty damn close. Store. We couldn't. get store. We came on the center. We should even start with an S. You're sure it's not center.

I will say, oh, go ahead. Well, Center, I could see maybe, because some people spell it like in, like, I feel like in French, French Canadian culture, they spell it Center C-N-T-R-E. Yeah. So I could see that like, oh, maybe it's spelled with an S somewhere, but no. I appreciate you trying to go to bat from me there, but I was just a stupid moment. You got me thinking. It's a team guy.

That is. You got me thinking, what was Justin Thomas ranked when we had him on the show? Hmm, that's a good question. I don't think he was number one, but he was probably the highest rank guy we've had, you know, previously before having Dustin Johnson on this show. Yeah. In real time, he probably was top three. I mean, he had to be. That was 20, when was that, the beginning of 2019 that we had him on the show maybe?

January 1st, 2019, yeah. So, yeah, then he coming off 20, yeah, he probably had to be really high at that point. But regardless, I don't think he was number one. We have DJ on this. Dustin Johnson is just on this show. We just asked some questions, and then he answered them on this show. Yeah, it's pretty stunning. Like, being able to, we did the lefty challenge against him in Florida with the Taylor Made thing.

And that was a moment that you never thought was going to happen because the number one golfer is actually playing on a golf course with us. But being able to sit there and talk to him in what seemed to be his mansion down in Florida, and he had the palm trees around him and the pillars from his house. and he just looked like he was living on island time. It was awesome to just talk to him. I will say because of the shoot down in Florida, I was far less nervous for this interview than I would have been previously. Like it's one of the biggest interviews we've ever done, obviously,

but I felt comfortable enough with him because he was so cool at that video shoot that when he popped up on the screen, like, I think my whoop wasn't as high as people might expect it to be, and it was a very cool and chill conversation because we'd met him before. I think people, especially the listeners will, not have as much of a shock factor because they've seen us interact with them. You know what I mean? Like we're kind of in DJ's mix now.

We've seen him at the driving range at Kiowa. We played golf with him for an hour on a golf course, and now we got to talk to him for a half an hour. But anytime Dustin Johnson's involved in any sort of podcast or interview, you just have to listen because you don't know what's going to come out of his mouth. You don't know if it's going to be nothing or it's going to be something super interesting. So I'm a big fan DJ. We got 30 minutes with him.

He was great. Frankie, you're saying we're in the mix. If we're walking down the street, do you think he recognizes us? You know, I actually didn't, I didn't have any confidence in that prior to the podcast that we just did that we're talking about right now and people listening. They're just going to listen to DJ in a couple minutes. But when he like, we didn't really preface like who we were when we hopped into this pod. Like I'm sure he did some media yesterday that day. And he knew everything.

He knew immediately that he played us lefty. He knew the whole thing, barstool and everything. So that got me a little more confident that he would know who he were. Okay. Yeah. Some good nuggets in here about he's more superstitious than we thought. The most nervous he's ever been on T-box and over a golf shot, I think will surprise some folks. So really, really good stuff with DJ.

That's coming up in a few minutes. Big stuff has happened since the last time we did a show, which was Sunday. and one of the most viral videos, you know, not on a golf course, probably in golf history, this thing's got millions of views before it got taken down the other day. The Brooks kept a video with Bryson DeShambo. Again, it's literally everywhere. It's one of the most memed things I've ever seen. What a fucking video.

I can imagine we'll talk about this for pretty much the whole rest of the show. But man, this was filmed. I want to say it was Saturday, I think everybody was saying after the Saturday round. didn't make it out because they just cut it because Brooks couldn't even talk. He's so fucking disgusted by Bryson de Chamba walking by. And we have gone on at length

about both of these characters. We've loved them at times. We haven't liked them at times. They've been weird. They've been likable. They've been all over the place, both Brooks and Bryson. They've been going at it for years now,

really ever since like the slow play stuff and Northern Trust a couple years ago at Liberty National. But fellas, what a fucking video. What a just a gift from the golf content gods this video was. I think it might be the most incredible video in golf history. And you had said on the course, off the course, I think it might be both. Like, I know there's obviously very historic moments that have happened in golf and there's

incredible clips. We can name a million of them. But just the candid nature of this and the clear, who's clearly not supposed to get out, right? Like, that might be my number one question of this whole thing. I want to get into, you know, who we think got the better of the video and all that. But first of all, where did this even come from? Because it came out after the PJ Championship was over. It came out on Monday.

Clearly, Todd Lewis and Golf Channel and everybody didn't think it would ever see the light of day. And then someone, I don't think we know who, just dropped a mega viral bomb on a Monday. Like, how does a video like this even get out? No idea, but wildly interesting. And, right. Like, when did Bryson finish? Like, how long was he hanging around? Does anybody, what group did he finish?

Like, wasn't he done like a half hour, 45 minutes before that? I don't understand what he was still doing near on the property or like near the, like, you know, you're just. Well, he goes after rounds and practices all the time, I feel like. Does he? Oh, yeah. There's videos to him like till the sun set two hours ago and he's banging balls on the range. That, I mean, it was Trent's tweet of, what did you say, Trent? You're like, this is maybe just the best video of all time.

I forget, but it gave me a good laugh. I mean, I probably watched it 15 times. The other aspect in my question is, like, why doesn't golf embrace golf rivalries? Why is it like this a forbidden fruit? Why don't we like cherish the fact that these two people don't like each other? Like we do sports teams, like the island. There's an arrangement. Well, what I would say is that there's an element of or undercurrent of golf media, especially, that does.

is clearly because I you know there's some folks saying this is an inside job by you know golf channel to leak this um which would be smart clearly. Um, someone with their fingers on the pulse of like golf culture and golf media was like, oh yeah, this needs to get out because it is undoubtedly good for the game of golf. And it's always weird because if you ask any individual in golf, whether they work for the PGA tour or the PGA of America or golf channel or four player or whoever, I think any individual you asked would say, yes, this is a great thing for golf. I'm so happy that I got out. But if you asked the entity, like if the PGA tour released a statement about it, they would probably be like,

yeah, that's a shame. You know, we, all of our men are gentlemen, which is this really weird thing because we've dealt with that too, where like a lot of people that work inside the PGA tour, any individual you talk to, like, oh, we're a big fan of what you guys do, yet like we can't get certain access from the entity. So there is this really bizarre thing in golf where the tour itself does feel like they need to protect an image of they're all gentlemen who are classy and love each other and root for each other. Yet like just one millimeter below the surface, everyone knows that that's just not true. Like if you have 200 or 300 guys that are all, you know, professional golfers on the PGA

tour level, like you're going to have many of them who just don't like each other. That's just going to happen. Like, you know, if you're at a company with 20 people, there's going to be a few feuds within that company of people that just don't like each other. just human nature, like whatever it is. And so obviously there's lots of folks out there who despise each other, don't like each other. And like you said, the NBA especially leans into it and crushes it with that type of stuff and the player-to-player drama.

And when we go back and look and it's like the best rivalries from the past, it's like Jack and Arney, you know, it's like there were times in Phil and Tiger where like they didn't like each other, they're pent up as like rivals. And that makes it fucking fascinating to watch. So it's bizarre, I guess I'm going to say, because like, everyone knows that it's good, yet you won't hear a blanket statement or anything like that. Or if anything, if you did see a blanket statement, it would be condemning it, not condoning it, which is very bizarre.

Yeah, I agree. Like, that's a shocker. Like, I think that would help develop these personalities of, you know, like team entities and their group and their coaches and, like, their swing aides, et cetera, of just, like, teams versus one another. I think that would be super interesting. And it is a bummer, and you are spot on. And the fact that, like, no, everybody's got to be a gentleman in golf.

But, like, if you're with a group of 10 people, right, like, one of those people is going to hate each other. Or, like, in your group of friends at any given time, like, somebody's got beef with another. Now it might be, like, more fun in nature. But still, like, there might be something going on, which I wish golf would play up. It happens on a podcast with four people. Right. Exactly. I'll say we got three little squares here on WebEx, Cisco WebEx.

and two of the squares don't like each other. It is really good for the game. And anyone that's going to argue against is on their way out of the game, right? Like, we don't have to, I don't know that we have to listen to the people that are saying it's a gentleman's game anymore and that we need all of these people to be buttoned up and not saying anything about the other player or the respect has to live on the course and off. the course. Like all that stuff is just, it's just, it's part of the past. Like, we're now in this, like, Instagram, social media world where, like you're saying, like Westbrook is doing interviews

in the NBA being like, fuck, no, I don't like that guy. And all these things, it adds to the drama of enjoying the sport. We, unfortunately, we live in the world where we want to know everything about these people. We want to know what they like, what they don't like, who they like, who they don't like. And for me, like, if I know that Bryson D. Shambau hates Brooks Kepka, I will now watch more Bryson D. Shambo versus Brooks Kepka just because of that beef, not because they hit the golf ball a certain way, but because of this, like, drama now. Dude, someone put up an image the other day that said, like, it was basically, it was like one of these golf meme pages. And it was like most watched golf broadcasts, like coming up, right? And it's, it was. It was. It was. It was. It was. It was. It

It was basically like PJ Championship because Phil won. And then it was like Masters is always the top. Anytime Tiger wins, Tiger plays is the top. And then it showed like the bar going through the graph being like the next time Brooks and Bryson are paired up together in a golf tournament. Like that is, it is at that level of must watch. It could be the John Deere Classic. Like no one will care about the outcome of the golf.

They won't care about what tournament it is. They just want to see them play against each other. Listen, if Brooke and Bryson want to play together in the John Deer Classic, We are very open. I speak for the John Deer Classic. Way too big of names they would never go to that dog shit spot. But the USGA, for example, like they've now got a situation where two of their last three champions are fucking despising each other publicly on this viral video. And the USDA loves to pair people up.

I mean, they did a four play barstool grouping. Who was in that one again? Two years ago. It was like, it was like JT. what, Kiz and, like, Bryson or something like that? Like, they legit just picked like the last three guys that were on our podcast and put them in a fucking group together. So they've now, like, this might be so intense that even they can't do it. But the point is that it's so good for these storylines of golf. And one of the, one of my big takes was, I was a little surprised at how flustered Brooks was because, and he was getting, he was getting a ton of love for.

this video. And there's obviously certain aspects to love. We love that it just exists. But I was a little bit surprised that like this guy Brooks Kebka, who's supposed to be this mentally tough guy who treats himself more like a football player, a basketball player than he does like a golfer. And like he's been able to stop people in majors and rack up four majors in a couple of years. That like he, he was so flustered and rattled by Bryson just walking by and kind of muttering to himself that he couldn't even finish a third. thought in an interview that my biggest takeaway, if you really had to compare the two of them, was that like, Bryson's way more in Brooks's head, I think, than Brooks is in Bryce's head.

And I think we've sort of known that. Like, we've always known that Brooks definitely hates Bryson for a multitude of reasons, even for what Bryson represents in the game of golf. And they represent two very different things. But I've never really felt the heat coming from Bryson's side. Like, Bryson, to me, just sort of exists and he does these weird things that then Brooks is able to critique and troll and make fun of. But you're right.

My main takeaway was that as well. Obviously, people like the Brooks part of it where he's just candid being like this fucking guy. I can't fucking believe this fucking shit. Like that's very funny and it makes a guy very likable. But you also have to see the other takeaway is what you're saying, Riggs, where Bryson's presence or his metal spikes on the ground or talking about the last shot, Bryson talking about the last shot that he hit,

that is so annoying to Brooks that he can't continue an interview that Bryson really has nothing to do with except that he's in the background. So I understand people liking Brooks in that video, but you also have to see that he's not what maybe you thought he was in the mentally tough because when a guy walks by, his brain explodes. I will say, though, like, when you're playing with somebody

that's super slow or just, like, frustrating to play with, you as that player that's not, like, super slow and just, like, looking at their every move, that frustrates anybody. But if you're that slow player and, like, other people around, you don't get frustrated by them playing quickly. So I don't know where Brooks gets into Bryson's headspace other than chirpied them on different levels,

but in the aspect of the playing of the game, like I think they're fundamentally two different approaches and really only the slow player that's like looking at the book constantly that's doing all this really irks the other individual. I don't know if Brooks' gameplay really bothers Bryson to any effect. Yeah. Public perception is always going to take Brooks's side in this kind of scenario. Oh, yeah.

Right? Like, the guy who is the nerd person doing the wrong thing is always going to be the person left at. Like, the Bryson walking by clanging those metal spikes in the background. It's like, it's hard to be like, I'm on that guy's side when we're all kind of thinking like this fucking guy. And when you hate someone, everything they do irks you times a million. Yeah. Right? Like, when I'm really mad at Lurch or whatever, when he does that whatever thing, I could kill someone, right?

But, like, you're in the heat of the moment. Whatever. I don't even know if people on the podcast have ever seen a true whatever, maybe on YouTube. But my point being is like when you're in that, like Brooks must have just been so fucking frustrated with what happened on Sunday and just the whole, just everything that was going on. And, you know, Bryson could have been like, hey man, like have a nice flight. And Brooks would have been like, fuck that guy. Like I just think it's at that point in the relationship where Brooks just doesn't even want to see him. And I get that.

Like, I felt like that with other people. You know what I mean? Like, you just get like that. You're just down in the dumps about someone and everything they do is the worst thing that's ever happened. And that's how they're at right now. And it's hard to take Bryson's side in that. And there's one, like, if you turn the video way up, because I know everybody in this,

you know, three screen chat here has watched that 50 times. If you turn the volume way up in the beginning, Bryson does say something. There is some sort of volume uptick that if anybody out there, there could cleanse that video and blow that early volume up to the clouds. I would love to know what was said in that first two seconds of the video. So after watching it a lot, I think Trent's probably going to chime in as well. But, you know, there were definitely some misinformation about him like chirping Brooks about a putt. I didn't get that at all.

All I got was that he said he was talking to whoever he was walking with, his coach or whoever, about he basically sounded like he was venting about how he hit really good shots, especially on the last hole that he hit like a really good drive in the last hole but was upset that he wasn't scoring well and that's what I took from it. Right, yeah, people were trying to turn it into way more than it was when the video itself is amazing. Like we don't have to add like, I saw people like we all tweeted the video obviously and people under being like, oh, I can't believe he said, oh, you just got to hit it straight Brooksie. Like we don't have to turn it into that because it's not that.

It's an awesome video on its own. But I do think I think people have juice the audio on it and it's like Bryson complaining about hitting great shots exactly what Rick said and not going where he wanted to go. There's no way that Bryson shirt Brooks in that video. There's also, there's a lot of people like this video was shot Saturday after Saturday's round, the third round, because he's in a white shirt. He's not in like the whatever, Saminy colored shirt that he wore the final round. It's the outfit.

So it was like after Saturday's round, Bryson was going to the range because they still got a final round to play and all that. So the context was, I think, off for a lot of people too, because it didn't see it until Monday or whatever and they're like oh that was after the final round so all that was kind of throwing people off but but yeah I mean I was very just again I was my first tweet was just that it was weird because I was

stunned at Brooks's reaction like he can't handle like another player just walking behind him like just you're a professional you're supposed to be this mentally tough fucking savage who dominates people in majors like oh so a guy you hates like imagine Tiger's doing an interview and Phil walked behind him when they hated each other most

like Tiger would have been like oh, like, no, he just like would have answered the question. Or like flip it and think about how the internet would have reacted. If Bryson had reacted to Brooks walking behind him, they'd be like, oh, Brooks lives rent-free and Bryson's head. It's the rent-free crowd. But in turn, it's Brooks having that reaction. So you think that, oh, Bryson lives rent-free and Brooks-ed.

But Bryson has such a bad perception and that he's the nerd that people want to make fun of him. But I, because there be, this whole time has been Bryson doing something and Brooks making fun of it, like trolling him. So you wouldn't think that Brooks is actually bothered by Bryson, but it turns out that he is very, very, very much bothered by Bryson. I think that was a huge takeaway and a change in what has happened before. It's the quarterback versus the geek. That's what it is.

Like everyone's going to take the, in public perception, they're always going to take the quarterback's side. They're not going to laugh with, they're not going to like run to the geek's his side in this argument. Like you see this guy walking back, you hear the clang into the metal, and you're just going to be like, this fucking guy. So, yeah, not enough people are talking about how mentally weak Brooks was in that moment. But then, on the flip side, have we talked about Bryson on that T-box?

No. I mean, someone on the T-box, what was that, a practice round? He was that a practice around at the PJ Championship. And some hilarious person. I mean, I would love to get a beer at this guy because, you can tell that this guy's been doing it the whole entire day. And, you know, so for anyone that didn't see, Bryson's on the T and he hits a drive. And someone goes, where to go, Brooks? Let's go Brooks.

he goes, let's go, Brooksie. Brooksie. Yeah, Brooksie. He must have been doing it all day. And right when Bryson makes contact, he goes, all right, whoever's calling me Brooks, he gets out of here. Right. And that is where Bryson loses this whole thing because he doesn't necessarily know how

to handle Brooks and Brooks's crowd because what he doesn't understand is that saying everyone needs to stop calling me Brooksie is going to make them call him Brooksie on every single T-box that he steps up to in the foreseeable future. We've got a little podcast here called Part of My Take. All right, ever heard of it? Pretty good in the sports realm. Super popular. Kind of popular.

Big Cat PFT, Hank. Jake Marsh. Shout out Jake Marsh. Best in the office. One of the funniest videos of all time. One of the funniest videos of all time. And how about the fact that those guys are probably going to go on there? And they are going to start a movement now.

And I know it. I feel it. That every single person that walks by Bryson D. Chambot now will call him Brooksie. I mean, it is without a doubt going to stick. It's going to stick for a long time. Like way to go Brooksie. Because that kind of stuff on the golf course specifically, guys are out there, they're drinking.

A lot of them are in the part of my take four play, like, you know, group of age and they all want to make, they all want to get on TV maybe after a drive. They want to get a retweet from one of us and Big Cat and all them. You know Brooks is going to stay. And that's going to make Brooks Keppka so happy because Bryson's not going to be able to handle it. Like you're saying, Trent. When the fans come back, it's a mess for old Brooksie boy.

And dude, Bryson came up. on this show. Shout out to him twice, right? But one of the time, did he come on twice? Yeah. And one of the times, I think the first time he came on, he really talked about I think it was at the Northern Trust where he was like, I really care about what

the fans think about me. Like when I hear negative stuff on the golf course, it affects me. Like I want to be able to answer their questions. I want to be able to tell them I'm a person and I have feelings and like he was like getting deep into it. And this stuff is going to rattle his cage. It is.

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that's just the only nickname you're ever going to be called for the rest of your life. But what I would say is that, you know, folks were using that as a counterpoint to Brooks's and in Bryson's. I would argue in that case, like the fans are in Bryson's head

more than like Brooks Kepka. Like if they were saying anything and that's just because he's admitted before that like, what people think of him, what people say about him, whatever, rattles him. So I think that's, like, more of a combination. I don't think if Brooks was just walking by Bryson doing an interview,

that he, like, wouldn't have been able to focus and do the interview. But I do think, like, clearly the two of them do not like each other. Clearly, some form of Brooks is in Bryson's head. I don't think it's to the degree that Brooks Kepka despises Bryson DeShampo. Right. But these guys are both, some of the best players in the world, they're both major champions. they're both pretty damn young and going to be on the scene for a long time.

And it's very cool that we're going to now get, you know, this hatred is going to live on and going to be hyped up as it should be for probably the next 20 years of golf. And that's fucking awesome. It is funny to think, though, like you guys are saying if they get paired up at Tori, what's really going to happen? Like, if they're going to, what are they going to meet on the first tee and start throwing haymakers at each other? No, the hype is probably far better than what would actually happen between the two of them. They'll probably like shake hands or fist bump and be like, all right, let's go play.

But just for the, there is a potential for something to happen. And that is what people thrive off of that. It's almost better if they don't get paired up. And then like all the footage of them like walking by each other on the putting green, we break down for fucking 30 seconds straight. Right. Like that type of stuff, you're right. I think is better than what would actually deliver.

It almost ended if they just played together and everything was fine. Yeah. So now I'm on this side. They cannot be paired together on just the beginning. No, they can't. They have to meet naturally on a Sunday final pairing. Like that has to, or any pairing, right? Like they have to play the golf tournament and somehow, some way, get paired together.

Play the same way, whatever it is. That's when it's going to be natural. That's when you're going to get crazy fist bumps. It's going to be me versus you. I'm beating you today. That's what we need. If they're both just paired up on Thursday, morning at Torrey Pines, the U.S. Open, it's like, well, they had no other choice.

They're not going to be fucking, like you're saying, fist fighting each other. Right. They're going to be super cordial. They're just going to be worrying about themselves. If one guy goes three over par and the other guy goes one under par, no one's going to give a shit and they're just going to walk off the green and that's going to be it. But if they're both five under on Saturday at the U.S. Open and everyone's out on the Barstle sports book picking Bryson versus Brooks and what's it going to be?

And they meet each other on the first tee. And the announcer's like, all right, step out to see is Brooks. We're all going to be like, holy fuck. Who's going to win today? Even if they're not in the final pairing, we're not even going to give a shit. Like, it needs to be natural. So hopefully our friends at the USGA don't ruin that. Like, we need the climax, man.

We need it. We need to build. I'll tell you this. I'll tell you this. I genuinely don't know. If the two of them were paired up, they're tied final round of a major. I don't know which one I'm rooting for. Dude, part of me thinks that Bryson is more willing to like squash the beef and just be a,

nice guy, like face to face. For sure. Like, I really think Brooks could be a dick, like, face to face with him. I think he'll hold on to this for a long time. I think if Bryson had the choice, he would be like, you know, man, we're both competitors out there. Like, that's the kind of guy he is. Like, he's a very, very nice guy.

Not saying Brooks isn't, but Brooks is, like, in some ways, like, kind of similar to me where, like, he can't let things go and he's like, he's a little more hot-headed and he's just going to be like, fuck, this guy forever. Yeah, if you watch Brooks in his interviews, he's, he's spicier. Spicy. He's far more spicy. like bryson will sit there and he'll talk about science and golf for 20 minutes if the if the reporters will let him brooks is like kind of just like let me get the fuck out of here that's his

as simple as like we've been talking shit about bryson and he comes up to me at the driver engine goes how's your pops how's the restaurant amazing things that that's going on he just defused the situation like that's what he would do at brooks oh how's it going like how's how's you know how's the girl has everything going and brooks would be like fuck i can't i can't hate this guy right now how much do you think the player impact program is playing in any of this if at all Because I see people talking about that where now that there's this pool of money and you can get millions of dollars at the end of the year. Are we getting bamboozled? Right.

And that's what people are saying. I don't think we are. But I don't, even if we're just living a reality show. But even if the player impact program was influencing it, I don't think that means it's fake. Like I think that they're just more likely to like error it out. Like that wasn't fake. Like that's just how Brooks feels about him. So I think I get that like anybody, anybody even with the Dave and Brooks thing where people are like,

is this, is this pip related? To me, it's almost like it doesn't matter. It's like, who cares? Like, if it is or isn't, like, we're getting it. It doesn't matter. The only good thing that might come from this is that it might make Bryson a little more invested in it. Because I do think he's like, I don't want to have to deal with this at all, where Brooks very much likes to play it up in the interviews and on social media and all that shit.

But maybe if Bryson sees that carrot of $8 million or whatever it is at the end of the season, he might come back at Brooks and be like, you're a fucking meathead too. We're just two fucking meatheads going back and forth. There's no denying that Brooks saw the PIP, and he's running, he's running with it. I mean, and I agree with you, Riggs. Who cares what led to this? I mean, I'm sorry. Like, this is the most we've seen of Brooks on social media, drama in a long time.

I think it might have just brought out what he naturally is. And he's like, oh, if I do these things that I like to do, like I like to troll people. I like to troll Bryson D. Shambow. If I do more of this, I might get paid to do it. But last year he was trolling fucking. He posts clown photos of fucking of Brandl Chamblis. And he chirps the shit out of DJ going to last road. The steroids tweet.

The fucking, he tweeted the picture of his four major trophies and just like tweeted it at Bryson Nus Chambo a year before the PIP program existed. Okay, but you don't think Brooks Kepka sat around with his team or his buddies and they're just sitting down. And he saw the news of the PIP and he's like, I'm going to fucking dominate this thing. Like this is just, we're just going to win this. You don't think that he's actively just being like, I'm going to win this thing. and I know how to do it better than anyone else? I'm not saying he didn't,

but what I'm saying is not like he went from never tweeting or having troll jobs or anything to all the sudden he's a brand new human being. The brand of thing was a good point. Yeah. I think this is pretty in line with the stuff that he's done. And if the PIP program kind of had the impact that you just said you think it does, Frankie,

then I think that's just like the most successful thing of all time. Right, I would agree that it's all good. I don't think any of it's necessarily fake, but if it's going to make these guys just turn up their personalities a little bit more, I'm all in. And I think that is what it's doing. Yeah, there's got to be a, there definitely is just natural hate there, right? Like, it would come off so unnatural if someone just came out and just started hating someone random.

Like that then would be like, okay, this guy's in it for the check. Like what would be the most just like random person to come out and be like, I fucking hate this guy? Like if Webb Simpson just started tweeting that he like. Meet me on the fucking ninth green or whatever Yeah, no, Riggs is right. There are receipts from the past that show that this is genuine And the PIP, we call it the PIP, we're going with that? I keep thinking of my penis.

Okay. I said, that's what I called it when I was a little kid. So I called it as a little kid. Every time I hear PIP, I'm like, man, I used to say like, I actually don't hate using the full name of Player Impact Program. We got to get rid of the PIP. Every time I hear it, I just think of my PeeP. Player Impact Program.

that you can't answer mouthful i can't do that all i lost my train we're gonna do that every fucking show i'm gonna say that all day do you hate me no i don't i just that was such a such a funny thought that i lost my own train how's your little pip doing there buddy is just what i used to call it yeah well what i was saying is there are receipts that brooks clearly hates bryson from 18 months ago that he had no idea that this thing was coming i would love to know who released this video like imagine if it was just like what it was brooks's team that had it and released it Like, hey, we have this guy. How would they have gotten it?

Right. How would they have gotten it? I don't know. I don't know. I guess. Brice and Brooks could have been, by the way, their names are just way too similar. It's fucking crazy. Yeah.

And also with a Brooksie thing for Bryson. On this shit, like today I've said it back and forth three or four times. It is possible that someone sent it to, like someone at Golf Channel maybe sent it to someone on Brooks's team. Just being like, look how funny this is. Like this is a very funny interaction between your guy. Bryson and then they might have been like oh let's put this out because it's amazing yeah the the brooksy brison thing reminds me of like that Tommy Lerrin when people just call her Tammy it's like the exact same it's the exact same it's the exact it's close enough that it just

rattles their cage and earlier in the podcast I said let's flip their them in like in that situation and I thought my brain was going to melt down and I thought you're going to put me in the hospital but yeah I'd be very curious if we'll never find out who put that video out but it's a very interesting question um new Amsterdam vodka is the official vodka of Barstall's Sports has been for several years. If you don't know about New Amsterdam vodka, it is a premium 80-proof vodka made from some of the finest grains of America's heartland. It is five times distilled for unparalleled smoothness. Then it is filtered three times for a clean, crisp finish.

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And, yeah, I'd say he looks similar to how he looked in the last photo. Similar pose, the crutches, the whole deal, except the boot is off, which signifies progress. So I thought it was a positive photo. The leg sock, though, is the countdown. No boot, but full leg socks. We hope that leg is... Reminded me of who's that quarterback, Alex Smith.

He wasn't he wearing that leg sock for a long time, and that's the most... That's the gnarliest type of injury you can have. But, yeah, I think it's progress. I'm not a doctor or medical professional, but it seems like we're headed in the right direction. I mean, the boot coming off is huge. It is.

Huge. I think it's huge. He didn't, it wasn't like smile-smiling, you know? The picture wasn't like, oh, boy, I'm just like to take this one. He's got a soccer game. It's, you know, you never know. I don't know. Right.

We didn't talk about this on the last show, but what did you guys think of his Phil congratulatory tweet? Seven exclamation points. Seems like a lot. You counted them? I did, yeah. Do you think that has any significance? Does seven have any significance with, like, Tiger and Phil? I mean, Phil just won his sixth.

Okay. It would have been nice if he added that. If he's like, maybe he's dangling the number seven in front of him, like, I got way more than that. Probably not. But it was just a lot of exclamation points. Like my mom uses a lot of exclamation points, and it's just a... Like, has Phil, lost to Tiger Woods seven times in his career or something, right?

I just, I wish it added up to Tiger having seven more majors than him currently. So do I. That would have been so good. Some hidden chirp. I know. I was hoping it would be something. It just seemed like too many.

I mean, I was excited to Phil won too, but it was just a lot. What are we thinking about Phil Mickelson on Twitter? You know, more the same? Yeah. It is,

but I would say that it comes with, you know, for the last couple years, it's been like, man, this guy's really losing it with each tweet. But then he almost just, he just rebranded his whole Twitter game by now all those tweets are coming from the PGA champion. Like, that's, he was cuckoo. He was slinging coffee. He's doing whatever the fuck he was doing and nobody really cared. It's like he's just on his way out to pasture. But now he's as relevant as you can be and still firing off tweets.

So I just, it's the same tweets. You're right, Frankie? It's the same Twitter game. I just feel like now it comes in my brain from a totally different place all of a sudden. How do you feel about the fact that he's just not like that in person? Like he just won the PJ Championship. He was super like not excited. He was very just like, you know, happy just about the crowd that was there, about the game of golf.

He was super professional. Kind of just was like a ho-hum, just won the PJ Championship, going to go on my jet and leave. Then he goes on Twitter, and he's a completely different person. He's got character. He's got personality. He's like chirping people. He's super cocky. one of the cockiest people in the world on Twitter,

almost to the point where it's like not him running it. Well, I have two things to say about that. One, the internet does that to people. You can just be whoever you want on the internet. I'm like that. Right, yeah. But the second, the second. It's a high school bathroom.

Yeah, I'm an asshole. The second part is actually more important. Have we ever talked in the show how sure we think that that's actually Phil Mickelson running that account? I'm sure we have. But I actually, these days I'm less inclined to believe that it's him all the time. just because it is so different. Look, I'm a believer in general.

I've gone down this road of Tom Brady's Twitter account and social media. I choose to believe. So I think every tweet he's ever sent, really, is said by Phil. But I'm not backing that up even with logic. It's because I just want to believe and I don't want to even consider anything you guys are going to say that would make me maybe not believe it. I'm with you. But if we're going to believe that side of it, then we also have to now believe,

that he is going on Twitter and searching his own name and responding to these tweets because a lot of the tweets that he's responding to are not at Phil Mickelson. It's just, oh, Phil McIxson won the PGA, how awesome is that? And he responds. If we're in a world where we're believing that Phil Mickelson is searching his own name on Twitter, that's just a strange world. I'm not saying it's not a world that we're living in. It's just a fucking weird place.

I think if you think Phil sends out every one of these text messages, these tweets, you should leave cookies out for Santa Claus too. I think it's crazy. I agree with that. I mean, it's just too savvy. It's too tech savvy. It's way too witty. I understand he's a fucking funny guy, man.

Like the video, the C2 plus HIV bombs, the whole thing, like the way that he was able to put that famous video out with the coffee and the whole thing. If you rewatch that video, how legit, like that's like a reading off a script basically, like to remember all that, to deliver it into a selfie mode. Like that would take me a year to accomplish that video. And so that just shows that he is like off the dome a very funny guy. But man, like the juxtaposition between his, the Phil Mickelson on the golf course, even in interviews, and then his Twitter game is nuts. Like at least Max Homer was like a funny guy. Shout out Max Homer. I was at the Barso Classic, yeah?

He was at the Barstow Classic. He was there on, he was there on Monday hanging out with the people. And I was a little bit, you know, he showed up and he's kind of texting like, should I come by the event? I was like, yeah, it'd be great. And he shows up and, you know, like, there's a lot of people having Trullies hanging out, having a great time, which you should be. But they see Max. Like, can we get a picture?

And now I'm like, man, on his day off, he's like, shows up to a putting green. He's got to take pictures and, like, talk to strangers all day. That fucking guy couldn't be better, dude. I look over five minutes later after, again, being like, do I need to save Max? I mean, he's just holding court with, like, 10 people in a circle, telling stories about, like, playing, you know, in a group with Phil and what he said on the range. And, like, he's just a fucking man. Max is like the best guy ever.

So you're right. Big shout out to him coming to the Barsoe Classic. But yeah, he's just, Max is fucking awesome. But he's the same virtual in reality, right? Like he'll chirp you, he'll do whatever. I feel like, I don't know, man. We've just been around Phil so much where, like, we don't even know if he recognizes. He's, he's interacted with us so much.

He literally, like, got interviewed for a second with, or did he? Did you ever end up, like, talking to him on camera rigs when you went to the match? I saw him. I've seen him off camera a few times. And every time I've seen him off camera, he has known me by name and referenced an interaction that we've had, which is insane, because we've never really spent time together. All right. Well, that makes – yeah. All right. That's a little more. Because I was going to say, like, when we've seen him on the range and stuff, he's just Phil Mickelson, walks right by us, and that is what it is. And I'm like, all right, this guy doesn't know who he's interacting with on Twitter because me and him talk about ort clouds and the cosmos all the time.

Like, you'd think you'd give me a little like attaboy once in a while, but I don't know. I'd almost want to play two truths in a lie with him with tweets. Like print out three tweets of his and ask him about all three of them. Or just in a way to try to figure out if it's actually him. You know what I mean? Like pick which ones of these are true that you tweeted and which one you did not tweet. But let me ask this. If he's tweeting two thirds of his tweets, then why wouldn't he just tweet 100% of them?

Like what would be the need to have a third of the people be like witty? Like if he's just already doing it pretty fucking well, why would they need someone to do it a little bit more? That just doesn't make any sense. Damn. Maybe he is just firing off those tweets. I'll be honest, I'm believing it less and less. Really? Yeah.

I just doesn't... What the fuck, Trey? I just doesn't... I don't know. I'll say what. I don't know. There's honestly too many of him. He tweets too much, and the searching of his own name

just doesn't seem like something Phil would do. It seems like somebody running a famous person's account would do to get traction on blogs like Barcelona Sports and all the other ones. Like, it just doesn't seem like something he would do. You ever see Polar Express? I'm sure at some point. It's the weird one with Tom Hanks. Yeah.

And you know the history behind that. If you ever seen Polar Express, and to all the listeners, I will be making a point here. But it's not a good point, actually. I don't even know why I'm prefacing that. Let's just keep going. I love it. Fucking Polar Express, actually, when they did that, when they did the animation for Polar Express, it looks super weird. The little kids have, like, the weirdest facial expressions.

And you're like, what the hell is going on with this? It's because Tom Hanks did all the CGI for all the kids. And they didn't realize that kids have different facial expressions to certain things than adults. So when a kid would be really excited or happy, it just looks weird when Tom Hanks would do that face. Like they scanned his face. He would be excited. He'd be nervous. He'd be running.

And it just looked really fucking weird on the children. So when you rewatch that movie, just know Tom Hanks did the facial expressions in all the movements for the kids also. Fucking strange. Not going to finish that with the Phil Nicholson point. Well, no, well. well you're no no the reason why i'm bringing that up is because that you're saying you're not a believer i'm sorry i'm feeling like the little kid in polar express where the jingle bell is hitting me in the foot and i'm ringing ringing it and i can't hear it because i didn't believe and all of a sudden

i'm starting to hear that bell and i'm starting to believe you know santa claus is in the back he's coming out of the fucking closet he's coming out of the one jesus christ holy fuck um Santa Claus is coming out of workshop and all of a sudden I can hear the ring. I'm starting to believe that Phil Mickelson does send all these tweets. Riggs has made a very good point. Riggs has come to the court. He's made his statement and I have figured out that I, Phil Mickleson does send these tweets now.

I'm 100% confident. I'm going the other way, unfortunately. Sorry for the Polar Express, a little detour there, but I liked it. All right, the drama continues. We are sort of in a weird, we're in a weird phase because we're recording. We had to stop for a meeting. We're kind of recording again. And in that time, we had the announcement of this match.

That is the next version of what started with Phil versus Tiger Woods at Shadow Creek. We got Phil Mickelson and Tom Brady against Bryson de Chambo and Aaron Rogers. They're playing in Montana, July 6th. And Brooks Kevka, who we've been talking about Brooks Kebka, Bryce and Phil, Twitter. Brooks Kevka just tweeted, sorry, bro, at Aaron Rogers. That is a pip tweet, by the way. If earlier we were talking like, what's for the player impact program, what's not? I understand some of it is genuine, but sorry, bro, at Aaron Rogers, inserting himself

into something that he's not really evolved in at all, then that's a pip tweet. Yeah, but that's all just having fun. Like a pip tweet or not. I agree. I don't think there's any, I think Phil does that regardless after the PGA championship. He's glued to Twitter. He's having fun. I don't know what, but, yeah.

You mean Phil's tweet? Phil, because we're talking about Brooks's tweet. Oh, okay, yeah, Brooks's tweet. I thought they meant Phil's tweet on top of it where Phil, I don't know, did you see that? Phil said something like, no, I'm just going to step aside here. I feel like something's going on. Well, Phil said, I think I'm in the middle of something and should step aside, parentheses, except they want the current PGA champ.

That's a pretty good tweet. It's really good. It's a good tweet. It's a good tweet That tweet's pop it It is like it might all be PIP It might be PIP related It might not be but like it's fucking awesome

It's like the biggest concern I think with the PIP thing Originally was that like Everything was going to feel fake and completely manufactured And I don't think that this does I will say that like Guys are just posting more pictures of them now On like the third T at the event that they're at being like Can't wait to play at this

And it's like again if fucking Webb Simpson tweets that now he's not automatically going to vote from the 120th most interesting player on tour to like seventh and win you know four million dollars but like but yeah I think overall the pip has led to larger amounts of like drama among golfers I think it's been more a couple things I don't know if my mic is working so what you guys might not be able to hear me I don't know that's better that's better but these mics are like they're they're directional and I noticed you had it facing away from you that's why it sounded like when we were before we were recording you were another side of the room, whatever.

I don't want, I don't, I want to apologize to everybody last time. This microphone, I guess it sounded like I was yelling into their speakers. Hopefully that doesn't happen again. But I want to apologize. What I don't want to have happen is to look at every cool thing that happens in golf and then have me say that's a pip tweet. That's a pit moment because I think they are genuine, like we talked about earlier. Maybe it's turned up a little bit.

But that, I'm not going to make a habit of calling every cool and interesting tweet that happens in the golf world a pip tweet because that's a, annoying and I don't think it's true. No, I agree. I agree. We can't go down that rabbit hole. This is just an incentive for these guys to just be more fun in social media. Engage with fans, right? It's just an incentive to make them do it.

But like Riggs is saying, you have to have genuine debates. You have to have genuine, like hatred. You have to have genuine love. Whatever you're actually getting into, people will be able to see through that, you know, as easy as it comes. I don't know what the fuck I was trying to say. but people will be able to see right through that, right? Like, we all know that there is some aspect of Bryson D. Shambo and Brooks Kepka that is absolutely real.

If they're in the fucking alleyway somewhere, they're going to fucking try and like shank each other. So this is real. It's not fake. It has nothing to do with the money. Yes, it is a little, you know, I'm a little skeptical that it's all just coming out of nowhere like crazy for the last four months. Like, it's just been nuts since like this year started, really. but, you know, Phil Mickelson, that's just a great tweet. He's kind of got me just, like, stunned at how good he is at Twitter.

Does that tweet make you more or less like you were earlier, Tret? It makes me believe it's him less. What? That's crazy. I don't understand your brain right now. There's one tweet that I don't know if it's Phil Mickelson. He goes, Tom and I have some unfinished business. Unfortunately, it will be at Bryson and Aaron's expense with two laughing emojis.

it's like that seems like a social media manager that thinks he's got it like all figured out yeah i honestly like what my main takeaway now from phil's tweets are is that they're too good for him to be able to tweet like that like i as mean as that sounds i just don't think i don't think he is running his own account there's just it's it seems impossible the j goin's story is handing the hundred dollar bill like it's like he's i think he is that creative i think his tweets are that good and I think it's without question Phil Nicholson. Right. Like I think we often, we roast social media because they actually suck in social media. It's like, I think it's more likely that Phil would be really good at his own social and that somebody hired to do it would

probably suck at it. Again, my big hang up is him searching his own name on Twitter. I just don't see a six-time major champion worth a gazillion dollars being like, let me see what people are talking about me on Twitter. I'm going to search Phil Mickelson and I'm going to respond to a bunch of random people. That just seems like it's not happening. But maybe this, but the other side of that is Phil is clearly image conscious. He wants to be cool. He wears the cool aviators, all of that. So there is a chance he does it, but it just seems impossible to me that he would do that. I mean, to both your points, though, like he had no family at the PGA. Really weird. He's in a private jet flying home. He's got time to spend. There's Wi-Fi for sure on a plane along with bottle service and whatever

the hell else he wants. Like, I could totally see Phil being self-absorbed on Twitter, searching his own name, just like smiled, giggling, having a glass of red wine on his route home. Like, I think that's the easiest picture in my brain I've ever created. That's totally fair. And Kevin Durand is proof of this as well. You wouldn't think a guy like Kevin Durant, whatever go on Twitter or mix it up. There's no reason to. He's proven everything you needed to. There's no reason to be on there. And these professional athletes, some of them are just on Twitter like the rest of us. They just happen to have these. incredible jobs.

So I still don't, I, it's certainly not him 100% of the time. Can't be. Can't be 100%. But I am more of a believer ever since Riggs brought up his points. Can't be 100% though.

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So, you know, they've done these. This is going to be probably what, the fourth one? third or fourth one that they've done now, third, maybe the third that they've done. It's tough because with COVID, there was the charity, you know, champions for charity stuff that was going on. So it was hard to keep track of how many there have been. I think this is the third one of this sort of franchise. But Phil and Brady against Bryson and Rogers, Brady's got to be wanting to redeem himself, right? If you remember, he played horrifically last time, he did a whole lot of that one shot,

but he just played terrible last time. So I imagine he's out there, you know, he did go on and win the Super Bowl. be MVP, so that's impressive, but he's got to be wanting to play a little bit better in golf, so I'm sure he's excited for this. We were talking to our guy, Hubbs, who does the Yankees, and he's a big Green Bay Packer fan. He was saying that Aaron Rogers is sick at golf. So if you've got... Disgusting's the word he used.

That is the word he used. He said, disgusting. So if you've got Bryson, clearly a very good golfer. You've got Aaron Rogers, clearly a good golfer now. Bryson, better than Phil. Rogers, better than Brady, or whatever we saw at the last... the last match from Brady, sounds like it might be,

we got a blowout on our hands, potentially. Wow. Like, Bryson is far and away a better golfer right now, like heads up than Phil Mickelson, right? Or is it not easy to say far and away because he just won the PJ Chamber? Yeah, I think that's, yeah, good catch. But also, I think we would all agree that

the current form of Bryson is better than the current form of Phil Nicholson. I know with what you just said is true, but also, you know. Yeah, I would agree with that. I would say that like if they play 20 rounds. Yeah, I mean, if they play 20 rounds, I think Bryson beats him and, you know, more rounds than not.

Yeah, I mean, I agree with that. Riggs, you look like you disagree with that. No, I don't. I don't, right? You just go by world rankings. Like, clearly one is just on a longer, with a larger sample size, one is just better than the other right now.

but do you get into like they're so once they're on that level they're so good that like any given day it's it's marginal the difference you know and also think about the environment that they're entering with the match like that's phil that's phil hamming it up talking shit like bryson he's a robot i don't know necessarily how how he's going to perform under those types of circumstances but i don't know it'll be very interesting to see it's interesting to think about if you take tournament play out of the mix. And we just talk about the sport of golf and just going out there and playing your own ball. You don't have to worry about winning anything or playing for anything. Just your actual skill of golf. What the actual, like the marginal difference between Kevin Kisner, a Tiger Woods, a Phil Mickelson. Like it can't be that fucking far off between their skill. Like I think on any given day, one guy is just better than the other. Like, but then you add tournament play and pressure and that it factor and you get a tiger woods and and that's the difference right there but if you just bring them out to your local country club are they all the same skill it's razor fin look at the

match play every year the dell match play like the highest seed doesn't just win the group they like never win the group in fact it's like the the this year like no like one person inside the top 20 in the rankings or something advanced so it's like so yeah they're all pretty much the same right it's only over over 72 holes that if think about this if somebody beats someone else by you know four shots in a tournament that was like they just dominated and ran away with the tournament a little bit like that's one shot a day in a round that's crazy that's nothing right you need you need all four days of golf to have like to have a difference if not you've just got a tie for first right 32 people So the top 100 guys in the world reach a threshold of the actual game of golf where they're just all the same.

And then it's that extra stuff that separates the rest from the pack. Is that where we're at? Yeah, I think it's the mental space. I mean, because, like, this match just comes down to Brady and Rogers. Like, if either one of them just plays terribly, like, with all of us, there's a massive delta in, like, your good and bad days. For them, it's three strokes. Like, they played really well if they shot 69. They played okay if they shot 72.

For us, we played really well if we shot 80. We played really bad if we shot 97. Like it's just like there's just a lot more at the middle. So yeah, I think it would be impossible to like with any discernible eye if you replaced their body but just saw like the golf club move to tell any real difference between the top guy in the world and like a hundred. Yeah. Because I'm trying to think like other sports like Mike Trout is just a better. baseball player than the rest of them and it's not even like i don't even know that it's really that

close right he hits it further he runs faster he's better in the field right like a football player can just be a like if you just put them on a field a quarterback can be better than the other quarterback he can be more agile he can be throw the ball further like i feel like golfers like there's really a limit to like how good like they're at the limit of how good you can be what are they going to go out shoot a 56 like like you put two guys on a local country club they're going to shoot a 62 they're just as good as the other guy. I disagree with that. Like, like, like, Tiger Woods was that trout, like where it looks the same. And like,

if you put a bat in judge's hand or trout's hand and like you just remove the bodies again and just heard the sound of the pop off the bat, like, there's no way that you could tell the difference between anything that they do. If you just saw the ball coming from out there. Like, I think, yeah, over the long stretch is where you see the differences. Over the stretch of 162 games or a whole season of golf is where you start to notice these like small differences of shots gain from like a certain area if you're stroke better than someone every round

like over the year you're just not even in the same ballpark as that golf you know i really think in that upper echelon of athlete it's so hard to tell and i think that's where it all a lot of it just comes down to their mental space um and i think having supreme confidence i think is just like the one asset, just an incredible belief in oneself where it's cocky for sure, but it's also on that fine line of like cocky and confidence that walk around. Like, you know, yeah, I think that's really the difference in any level. Yeah. And being like really good when it matters, right, is like just the difference between literally one stroke and coming up one stroke short a bunch and coming up one stroke like on top a bunch is the difference between tiger woods and like and and and Colin

Montgomery right that is literally like that's it or or you know Chris de marco for like a three or four year stretch like Chris DeMarco who's just on golf channel now who's great but like he's just like talking about golf on golf channel and didn't win any majors was like a stroke or two strokes worse than tiger and like three or four majors over a couple of years stretch and like if that they were the exact same golfer except one is Tiger Woods and one is Christa Mark. See, like that's kind of where my brain was kind of floating like that. Saying that's crazy to me because I think when I apply that to other sports, it's like, you talk about hockey, like, like Connor McDavid and the next guy out there, like they're

not playing the same sport. But like Chris DeMarco and Tiger Woods were right there neck and neck. It's just Tiger had this other thing that like for some reason he was able to beat him by one or two strokes a day. But like in another sport, it's more clear, I guess, right? I think that's why it's just like, oh, Connor McDavid is just faster than that guy. That's why he was better. Right.

The athleticism comes into the view. We're in golf. It's like, no, Tiger just hit it to six feet more consistently. And you hit it to seven feet. That looks like nothing. But then over time, like you just make 80% of six footers and you only make 70% of seven footers. So it looks, yeah, I guess in that aspect, it looks more similar to just our pathetic, like amateur eyes. because you're right in like when you saw michael vick run around the field

dodge 32 tacklers and just zip 160 yards you're like whatever that guy just did was way better than anything i've also i've ever seen in my life um so yeah i do like unless dj is gonna like make that whole in one from 440 yards or whenever that was and roll into an inch like that's all that's really the only thing that we could tell the difference on it's like no he just made it in and one like nobody else can do that we talked about this with scott foster or was it and whoever, like how Tiger just did things that weren't that, like, great. And he just won tournaments by five or six strokes, like, just hitting middle of fairways. It doesn't show as much as the other sports.

It must be infuriating to be these guys. And I'd actually love to ask, like, a guy that kids who would actually give us the answer, like how infuriating it is to miss a cut or, like, just lose, like, you're saying, by two or three. When you know that's just one stroke on that Thursday or Friday, like, missed read pot or a lip out where it's not like another sport where you know the moment that you lost the game right like i hate to bring it back to hockey but tristan jari just passes the puck to trash baili the other night they lost the game right there but like kisner misses the cut at at kiyawa and he can maybe like he can pull 15 different things out you don't know where it

actually dropped off you know what i mean like maybe it's that one misread chip that doy told them to go up on that but like that was on Thursday and he missed a cup by one and you're like well fuck I I played just as good as this guy dude they were talking about louisztay's in uh during the pg championship broadcast where he's infamously finished second a bazillion times and if a couple different things break his way instead of having one major he has five or four and it's like his career is looked at completely differently and dude that's a yeah he's so he's think right think a little close he is to being he's being a master's champion a pGA champion a u s opec he can have a career grand slam very easily like two like two 12 footers go in that just didn't over the course of fucking

16 hours of golf over the weekend and he just is like one of the best players of all thought that's like that's insane right and each one of those puts if you look like they'll they'll put the percentage up it's like a 32% chance make right so like he has that 30% chance to win that major at that given time he just doesn't like the 70% always hits for louisustahus and for some reason it's also like when you play a golf match with your buddies you know like you know when he's lost or won the hole because you've either put it out of bounds or like he kind of has him an individual match so it's easy but when you play better matches where you're both hitting fairways you're both hitting greens golf is just like mentally exhausting because there's really like no difference in what you're doing like so it just

becomes, yeah, basically to your point, Frankie, like this world that you live in and you really can't discern like what's better or worse than the other one, because at the end, he just made a par. Like, I'll have 60 for birdie. Riggs will have 13. He'll make, or 13 for par, he'll make that all two putt. We go on to the next one. And it's just like, it's this just, yeah, revolving door of like frustration and not even really be able to tell like where something's gone wrong or right within golf where other sports, because of athleticism, I think you can tell that really quickly. God, it's got to be one of the least satisfying sports to play professionally.

There's really not many moments of satisfaction because it's not a team sport. So, like, you could have a dog shit day with your butt, like your team, your team can just win the game, hit a walk off home run, you went over three, you made a play in the field, whatever, and you're just celebrating dumping champagne over each other. Golf is just fucking, it's a lot of depression and, like, losing. and just like, even if you play well, I read off of Zander Shafley's, like, four rounds the other day. It was like three weeks ago.

And it was like 67, 67, 68, 69. He lost by six. Right, that's right. He got dominated. He didn't even come close. Like, it's just how much better is he supposed to play? So, like, there's no satisfaction. It's nuts.

We just had Bryson DeShamo entered the fray on Twitter, and he responded to the Brooks Sorry Bro tweet, and just wrote, it's nice to be living rent-free in your head. Whoa. Okay. That's using fire against fire there because Bryson knows that that's something that Brooks would say.

Whoa, baby. Brooks has been talking a lot about Bryce recently with Bryson really not doing anything other than posting, lifting videos on his Insta story after that video got leaked. but this is now we're really getting somewhere. This is turning into something right now. This is turning into something.

This is how golf always, bro, this is great. This is awesome. I said Bryson needed to find his, like, image, and I wish he would walk to the tee box with just two dumbbells in his hands, drop him and then hit a drive. That would be amazing if they played, like, he had a guy in his group that had a boom box, and, like, he would just play the Eye of the Tiger

as he teed off at Augusta. It'd be fucking amazing. But now Bryson's starting to get that bad guy feel. Look at this. I'm in your head. Like, come on, Bryson. Enter it. He's entered the ring.

This is genuinely unlike anything we've ever seen in golf. I think ever, like when we're two superstars in golf, just aggressively chirping each other publicly. Like, has that ever fucking happened in the game? Someone just tweeted us, it's getting better by the minute. And that's true. Like literally by the minute. this rivalry is growing.

God, please talk. Do the podcast. It keeps happening. Please talk to our friends at the USGA and do not have them matched up like just some fucking, it's going to be a parade and everyone's going to be, I don't want this thing to be squash. It has to be natural. It has to be real, raw.

I want Brooks and Bryson to be eating raw meat, like walking up to the T-box. Like, their fangs are just dripping for blood. But think about the next putting green. Like the amount of camera coverage that they're going to get if they're on the putting green together. like warming up, bumping shoulders or something like that will be so good. Right. If this ever gets physical at some point, now we're talking about the greatest rivalry in sports history.

Like if those two try to wrestle each other on a putting green, now we're talking. Who wins that boxing match? I mean, I think now, Bryson, like, he's fucking huge, dude. You saw him. Yeah, I think one point Bryson admitted that he didn't. Brooke would kick the shit out of him, but I think it'd be more even than he's letting on. It's hard for me to say anything about anyone's body, especially a professional athlete. But like, if we're going to compare two elite specimens, which they are, they're the top of their fucking sport.

I just think, like, Bryson is a lot more, I would think Bryson's a lot more agile and quick and, like, can throw a heavier punch. Like, Brooks, we've seen him, like, is, I don't want to use the word doughy, but he is, like, he's not as cut. He doesn't look like he is as fit as Bryson, even though it's hard to say because Brooks is fucking a supreme athlete. I don't know. It's a tough one. That would be a heavyweight battle. It would be.

I don't know. Doesn't Bryson just look like he'd be just more, like, if you watch him in a ring, he'd just be more of a boxer than Brooks? You think Bryson would be? I would say the other way. Bryson, he looks more rigid and solid to me. Like, he looks like if he got Brooks in a corner, like he's just like Ivan drop.

just like pounding away at him. But Brooks seems to be like a little bit more, I don't know, nimble, I guess, if you will. Like Bryson's so big now that he doesn't seem as agile on us. See that swing, though? He's the most agile personal world. Like he's doing long drive competition type swings. Like Brooks, to me, looks slow compared to him. You put those two next to each other and one guy's going 100 miles an hour.

The other guy's going 50. I mean, it's must watch. It would be like rough and rowdy, man. That would be, imagine. Oh, my God. Talk about fucking pay-per-view. Well, now do you think Brooks comes back? Do you think Brooks and Brooksie really go off here?

I think we nailed it earlier. I think they have to just end up in competition together or in contention together down the stretch in a huge tournament for this to really come to its peak to crescendo. Because right now, anything else is going to be a letdown. And you need it to build up more. We need the footage from the U.S. Open, from the putting green, from them being right next to each other on the range. Like that is going to be, you're going to be able to feel the tension through the television, through like PGA Tour Live.

You're like, this is fucking awesome. But that needs to build up. That can't like end it. That needs to add to the lure of this. And then eventually they square off with both those names of the leader. Like imagine what Twitter's going to look like when those, they're like tied for the lead in the tournament. even if they're not in the same group, it'd be fucking unreal. I mean, I can't stop looking at Twitter right now.

I know we're doing a podcast right now. We're talking about it. But I'm just refreshing. I'm trying to get some tweets off. Like, this is the good shit, man. This is the good shit. Our pal Lurch just did something. I don't know if I've ever seen on Twitter.com.

What do you mean? The video? I haven't watched it with any volume because they're doing a podcast, but did you just say, oh, my God, in a video? Yeah. And you took a selfie of you saying, oh, my God, and then you hashtag Twitter. So you verbal tweet, you verbal tweet, you verbal tweeted a selfie video. Yes.

That's groundbreaking. I've got to tell you, I've never seen that before. I swear to God, that's groundbreaking. This is what I come in. I love it. He's just going, oh, my God. I mean, that's how everybody's looking at. that those two tweets.

I couldn't help myself. You're, you kind of remind me of the Vindog who we hired like kind of as a joke to just like meme people to death where he, you know, he does live action memes. Like you did like a live action gift video reply on Twitter, I think. I will say my phone's blowing up from people.

Well, I just had to retweet. I had to retweet. I think it's the first time I've ever acknowledged Lurch on social media. I said this is a groundbreaking tweet. It's a groundbreaking tweet. I mean, it's going to be a good afternoon with this. Like, whatever happens in Twitter, people are going to be chiming it. It's going to be a good afternoon.

It's exciting. It is. Good for golf. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. We got the LTP one week and the next week we got two meathead golfers just going after each other. That's just, that's this game, man. Fun stuff.

Absolute fun stuff. Yeah, I mean, I just, I just. I just tweeted Lurcher's video I said I think this might be the most stunning golf tweet of the day actually this is Lurges 20 I can't

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tweeting but you put it in like an audio and video form yeah that's what I did yeah I'm doing social media my own way a little bit different for sure um um I'll never speak I I've again Trent's right that's your corner and you just dominate that cornered the market on that I it's awesome um much like pita Mollar and their seaside collection which is just their most laid back comfortable collection I think that they've ever I can see I don't know how they continue to do it it's like oh my they did it again, but their seaside, it's laid back. They're using special washes and techniques to make sure it's the softest clothes in your closet, whether it's their natural touch or aquacompt in polos, their lightweight shorts,

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I like it over there. I mean, wait a minute, wait a minute. You're on the sea. Wait a minute. Are you taking him literally lurched where seaside, New Jersey? I think. Well, no, but I mean, no, but I'm, I guess part of my reaction was to seaside New Jersey, but I would say I like to be by the sea, but I'm not always there.

But I do appreciate any ocean time that I do get. Because I would agree, like seaside, New Jersey is like, where like I got like a drunk earring in when I went for after uh after uh prom when I was in like 11th grade like you got one stud in your no I went I went double stud in 11th grade yeah it's better than one yeah 100 I mean I was just an idiot Long Island loser but um I still am no but yeah nothing's really changed much but if you talk just general seaside like you are probably the most seaside person here right yeah I think for sure. Actually, Riggs is a sneaky good swimmer though.

Really? Yeah, I am. Yeah, we were big swimmers growing up. We swam competitively for a while. Wow. So does that also include like diving or you're already in the water and then you can swim well? Because diving's a great skill to have. By that question, have you ever swam before? Yes, but like there's a difference. Like some people like have a good stroke and they're like good in the water but they can't dive for shit. Like I can't really either. I can swim, but like,

I can survive. I can't really swim. No, I would never have to swimming. I would say, diving is kind of its own sport. I will say that you do have to dive into the water in most strokes and then swim. So that's a technique, but it's not like the official diving

where you're doing fucking triple axles and shit and then trying not to splash when you land. That's a whole different deal. Wow. No, I love the seaside. I love a good storm. I love getting in the ocean. I love being on the beach. Okay. It's just a good place to be. love Peter Malar. Oh yeah.

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the more than right player in the world? Forgot we have them on the show. Yeah, it's been a, this is, this will actually go down as one of our bigger shows. I mean, everything breaking on Twitter, this is kind of what people come to us for, and then we also have the number one right player in the world on this show.

Oh, yeah. Wow. All right. Well, next up, Mr. Dustin John. All right, folks. We're joined by a very, very, very special guest. He's currently a number one ranked golfer on planet Earth. He's got 24 PGA Tour wins, two major championships.

He's got a little body armor in front of them right there, which is nice. Last time we saw him, he was actually calling Trent his pigeon while he walking around the golf course in Florida. So DJ, what's up, man? Welcome to the show. How's it going? Thanks for having me. I appreciate it. Everything's going good.

So we got a lot, I got a lot of feedback about the pigeon. comment people asking what it meant why is he calling you a pigeon and i haven't had an answer for those people so if you could clarify why you were calling me a pigeon all day that day that would be very helpful for me and everyone listening oh i was just i was in your head and it was uh it was a lot of fun obviously and then you know i definitely had a good time beating all left-handed so um i enjoy god i don't know if you all did but but i know i did um dj's too kind. He was looking you dead in the eyes and knew he was going to beat you, Trout. That's the

big he beat all you guys too. Don't pin this on. He beat all us. But you were his choice of like, no, that's a dead fish early. Yeah. Totally. Exactly. So left-handed, I got to ask you

because there's been a lot of chatter lately left-handed matches maybe coming up. What do you think realistically you would shoot left-handed? Do you ever play left-handed? No, honestly, I don't. But I mean, I think if I practiced for a few days, I could, I don't know, I could shoot in the 80s, maybe. High 80s, 90s. I don't know.

Yeah, I think as we trend towards the 90, it's a little more realistic. We have a big match. Our boss, Dave Portnoy versus Brooks Kepka coming up. Lefty versus lefty. Dave is a natural lefty. So that should be a good one. But it is funny to try and piece together, like, what you did to us and try and apply that to, like, a Brooks.

I do think that what you did was stunning compared to, like, what the, you did. the average person can do on the other side of the ball. So I don't know that we'll ever see that again, to be honest. You said you hadn't swung in a year, and you just ripped like seven iron darts into, like the forest. I've never seen anything like it. Well, yeah, I obviously don't practice too much left hand. I swing them a little bit every now and again, but very rarely.

But it is fun though when I was out there with you guys, you know, playing a few holes left-hand. And usually, usually I say that for the Bahamas when I'm on vacation. I might play a little left-handed. I got a question about, at one point we were talking about drones. You're asking about the drone we used because you were thinking about getting one for fishing. Do you ever end up getting a drone? I've got a couple. I just need to learn how to fly them.

I'll fly them in my backyard a little bit, but there's a lot of trees around. I've taken out a few drones. Yeah, the first time I ever flew one, I decided to fly at my tiny Manhattan apartment. as like the first trial run just because I really wanted to get it in the air. And it was a debacle. I almost took my hand off. You got to be careful. They're dangerous.

They are. Yeah, my trees, they don't like them too much. Number one golfer in the world. And you just mentioned about vacation and maybe golfing left hand. I've always wondered, like, what is golf to you when you're not competing? Like, are you going out there and having fun with buddies? Do you like to golf when it's not competition? I do.

Yeah. I mean, at all my, you know, I'm going. go out and practice. You know, a lot of the times I'll go out and practice for, say, a couple hours and then I'll go play, like, with my buddies or my brother or something, you know, just having fun. But I'm still, you know, for me, it's still kind of working, but obviously I get to enjoy it, you know, with friends and company. So, you know, that's one thing I love about this sport is even though I'm out there, you know, working and doing my job, I still get to enjoy it and have fun and can enjoy it with other people. Yeah, because I feel like we have talked to guys who say they don't like to play when it's not in competition. They say that it's more work than it is fun, but it sounds like you still get enjoyment out of playing even when you're not in between the ropes. Absolutely. I do. I like playing when I'm home. I spend a lot more time playing, I think, than I do, you know, practice and or beating balls unless I'm really working on something. But for the most part, yeah, I like to go out and play. Yeah, we hear a lot when people talk about you and your game and your improvements,

that you're one of the hardest working guys. You grind. What's that look like? When you have a grindy week when you're really practicing, gearing up for a major, gearing up for a big tournament, what's like your schedule look like on a hard working week? You know, it all kind of depends. But usually I'll take the kids to school in the morning.

Then I'll go to the gym from there and then straight to the course to practice. And I try to finish my day, you know, so I can pick them up from school. So I'm usually down around 2-ish, 2.30. If I'm working on something or if I need to work on something, then, you know, I might I'll spend more time. But it just kind of all depends on how things are going. It's funny that that schedule, like, has allowed you to become the best golfer in the world, right?

I feel like it would kind of be reversed where, like, where you had all the time in the world to do your craft and, and, and, and, it. And now you have some time allocated to family and like other things that are in your life, which obviously morning, afternoon, like you're saying that you're just, you're fitting in, working out and practicing. And it's freaking worked out on the golf course. That's pretty impressive. Like, did you ever think that that was going to take away from your game having all those other responsibilities? No, I think, you know, for me, it's almost helped just because it, you know, puts things in perspective. And, you know, now for me, you know, Paulina and the kids,

kids are most important. And, you know, so, yeah, they're first and foremost. And then after that, you know, I try to get into work when I can. Yeah, I remember Chambers Bay, like, one of the things that stuck out for me was right after everything finished up, just you were, you know, you're there with your boy and with your family and you're smiling and laughing. And right away, I remember just thinking like, man, the perspective on that. And for this guy, I could see how it would kind of help because it probably, like,

you're not a guy who slams clubs. You're not a guy who gets pissed off out there. I'm sure you want to sometimes, but it feels like it gives you good perspective out there. Yeah, for sure. I mean, obviously, I get frustrated with the game and, you know, I get mad. But, you know, I try to, you know, I still try to remember it is a game. I'm out there playing. You know, I love this game.

I'm having fun. I'm out there, you know, I need to set an example. So I try not to, you know, break clubs or throw them or do things like that. But yeah, like Chambers, obviously that was a, you know, it's a tough one to swallow. But, you know, I felt like I really didn't, you know, I really didn't do it. I did everything I was supposed to. You know, it just didn't work out. One of our favorite companies that we've ever worked with that we will never buy anything from, again,

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when you throw a club or like slam it against your bag or something like that. It's that pathetic release of energy, just like get it off your system. Do you do anything, like mentally just like, you know, just close your eyes for a couple seconds or just like take a deep breath or any kind of relief that you do? Yeah, for sure. I mean, I definitely do things like that. And then obviously away from the course, I like to go fishing, go on the boat, you know, hang out with the kids, Paulina, whatever it is. But, you know, I think it's really important to have that time away from the game just to, you know, kind of reset, you know, reset your mind, reset your body, everything, because you got to, you know, at this point, it's all about, you know,

focus. I know, Phil was talking about it. You know, obviously, congrats to Phil. That was amazing win yesterday. But, you know, that's the most important thing for me. If I can stay focused, stay in the present, you know, and just go about my business, that's when I played my best. But sometimes it's hard to do that. Yeah. I was wondering like maybe there's like once a week, Dustin Johnson just like punches the walls in his fucking room for like 20 minute straight. And he's like,

yeah, do a heavy bag in your basement? You do some boxing? There's these rooms in like New York City where they're, I think they're like anger rooms where they'll just put old TVs and laptops and phones in there and they'll give you a bat. Legitimately, you pay like 60 bucks to just let your anger out.

And like some like corporate offices will like, oh, we're all going to the anger room and these people just fucking banging laptops and TVs. Sounds fun. It does. What's the closest you've ever come to like, what's the closest you've ever come to really losing it?

Did you have you ever, like, snapped on a course where you had to like take a step back and be like, oh shit? No, I don't think so. I mean, not that I could recall. Right. I mean, I hit bad shots all the time.

It's not like it's something new. You know, just, So I try not to let it bother me. You mentioned Phil yesterday. Do you watch, like, do you watch much golf on a weekend like that when you got the weekend off? Were you watching a big event like that? Or you just kind of doing your own thing? I was actually on my boat, but we're watching on the phone.

That's awesome. Were you, I mean, you're rooting for, I mean, obviously you know both guys. Like, is anybody you rooting for? He's rooting for good golf? Yeah, I mean, yeah, obviously, rooting for good golf. But, I mean, I was kind of, you know, had to pull for Phil a little bit there just because it was, you know, obviously made history. And, you know, what an incredible story. But, yeah, I mean, he played unbelievable.

I, yeah, I'm curious, you know, you're just kind of thoughts on really good golf and moments like that kind of coming out of nowhere. Like even you, you know, I remember last year there was a stretch you, like, you weren't playing your best. And all of a sudden you were 30 under par in Boston. And you go on and dominate. you win the Masters. Phil hadn't finished top 20 yet this year out of the clouds. He comes out and wins the PGA at Kia where you have to hit it pretty much on a string. You know, like, what is it about golf that allows that kind of variation? That's, you know, that's one reason why, you know, I think all these people,

while we love this game is, you know, it just, you never know. And it's, yeah, I mean, all golfers go through it. You know, I haven't played my best the last, you know, say, a couple of months, but, you know, like you said, last year, I had probably two of the worst tournaments I've ever played in a row, and then, you know, something clicks and I go out and, you know, pretty much I have a chance to win my, you know, my next seven or eight tournaments I play. It's just, it's just how it goes. You know, so obviously I need to get back to that form. We're working on and now just, you know, got to get back to, you know, grinding a little bit.

And you feel like it's close, you know, it's, but it's less golf. It's always, you know, for me it takes, you know, one swing and I've got a bat. Yeah, it is, it is like that for every level, I feel. It's like we could, everybody's changes a little bit. But for us, you know, it's like, you go out one day and be like, oh, I shot, you know, 80 and I was hitting it pretty damn well. It's great. And the next day, it's same person, same golfer, same swing. it's like 97.

You're just like, I don't know, man. It's infuriating. It's absolutely agree. DJ, we were at, Trent and I were out of Kiwa, and we were on the range. Can you talk to us about, like,

that range hitting into the wind? Like, was that something that was getting into the players' heads, like just how difficult of a setup that was about to be, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, like I've never really seen a range set up like that where you guys were just hitting into just Gus. Well, I mean, it all depends on the, you know, which way the rain

we were hitting from the other side it would be straight down when but I mean yeah it's always tough warming up where when it's blowing that hard right into the wind because you know you start kind of you know every shot you kind of want to fight down so you got to do some things in your preparation

to where you know you're making sure you're not like trying to fight every shot just because you but when you hit a normal shot it doesn't go anywhere so you just got a You just got to do it, though, just to make sure. But it is tough. I mean, the golf course is tough, especially with how hard the wind was blowing.

You needed to be spot on. And, you know, if you weren't, you got very penalized. When you were with us and, you know, you were at one moment, I believe you were like 310 yards out. And Lurch kind of asked you like, what would you do in real life, you know, if you weren't playing left-hand or one? club and you're like yeah I just roast one and go for it you pulled out of three wood you probably did the most impressive like physical athletic thing I've ever seen just roasted a three wood from like

300 yards that came up just a hair short if you're in competition or really anywhere like realistically if you have to carry a three wood off the deck like what's the furthest you can carry a three wood off the deck I mean all depends on conditions but you know flat ground no wins. I'm in 290, maybe, 285. 35, 290. And then could you, yeah,

okay, that's nothing. Riggs is just getting giddy to the possibilities. That's a different game, I guess. So that'd be fun to do. It's just something like, yeah, that's just different. That's just totally different. Another thing about you, you know, we had a long interview, a long day we spent with Bush Harmon,

who's just the man, and he was going through a lot of you know, your kind of progression and talking about the difference between, you know, you hitting a draw for a long time and then deciding to hit a cut. Like, from your perspective, can you just talk through a little bit, that process of like committing to, you know, playing a cut and then ultimately winning a couple majors and become a number one in the world with it? Yeah, I mean, so when I first started working with Butch, we, you know, we started working on, you know, hitting a cut. and we worked on it for for quite a while few years and you know still what never you know it took me a long time before I got comfortable hitting the cut like from the fairway um you know like to a flag um you know if I had to go around a tree or something like that it was no problem but it was just like you know from the

middle of the fairway playing a cut shot into a green um you know just because I'd always point of play to draw but i was actually at surewood i think it was in 15 like december of 15 um had the new had all my new you know woods and stuff from tailor made so it'd have been the r15 i think it was you know 2015 um but was playing and and practicing and test them and i was struggling like you know i was playing a draw about i was driving all over the place place. And so, I don't know, just one morning when I was going to play, you know, I was like, you know what, I'm going to cut every shot today. Hit a cut on every shot. I think I shot like 62 or something like that. And I'm like, all right. Went out the next day. I'm like,

all right, I'm going to cut every shot today too. They got shot another like 61 or 62. Like, okay, this is working. So did it, did it third day. And same results. played very well. And so I started playing a cut. Worked out pretty well. Right. When you say those numbers, it just doesn't seem like a realistic amount of shots needed to play 18 holes. Like it just, it's like, would you play like nine or 12 holes and quit?

Like, that just feels impossible. I quit after 15, but, yeah, you know, shot the old, shot the old 62. So you, you know, I remember leading up to the Masters, I think it was this year where, somebody put out a video asking you, you know, when's like, how many times last year did you like intentionally draw the ball

and you were like, zero? So are you just like, you never draw the ball, basically off the table? No, I don't. Off the teacher. Well,

with the driver, I don't. I mean, if I, with the driver, I don't. With all my other clubs, I'll hit,

I'll hit a draw. But yeah, just with the driver and I'll never try to turn it over. So at Augusta, like 10, 13, you're just going three wood,

basically? Three wood, yeah, with a draw or hook. Ten's a hook. Thirteen, so yeah, just a straight ball or I try to turn it over a little bit. So 10, when you say it's a hook, like, what do you, what are you setting up and what are you thinking about? You're like, I'm just going to sling this thing. I mean, I aim right and just try to snap hook my three wood. That's awesome. That's so good. I love that strategy. At Augusta, thinking, I'll just snap hook this. The fact that it's a controlled snap hook for us, it's off the planet. You say that.

For you, it makes sense. You rip it down the dog. That's why the same way, right, and just hook it as hard as I can. Just jumping back to the Let Them Play last week, I've been continued to get a few notes and exchanges back and forth with some of the players, coaches.

The women's and CA championships are going on right now, so people are still kind of focused on everything that went down. I can't really get over the golfers coming up 18 afterwards. the scores, scoring table, and being able to kind of video in their family. So I just wanted to give a big thanks once again to Cisco. Cisco and WebEx made all that happen. Their tech mobilized extremely quickly to help us get those family moments possibly. We have people from Europe, from all the way across the country here, Australia, all done

by Cisco and WebEx. That's the first time they've done that. You know, if you remember Bryson last year at Wingfoot, we've been talking a good amount about Bryson on this show. After he won, there was a giant Cisco cart with his family on it, and as well with A. Lim Kim at the Women's U.S. Open with her family after she won. So it's all happened over WebEx. They've got very impactful moments, and they're just awesome. So a big thanks to Cisco and to WebEx for making all of that happen. And they're going to be all over the U.S. Open this year as well. So Cisco, Cisco makes miracles happen, really. That's kind of right.

Yeah, they dominate the feel-good game, right? Like, they are just, always in the right spot. They're the ones that kind of make you tear up. And the fact that they're so reliable and the tech is so easy to use and, you know, just the way, like, you just know when it's a Cisco WebEx because you see the way that they have, the families all separated on the screen, you can just tell that compared to any competitors. And you always know that it's like, Cisco's a name that, it's just, whenever it's attached to something, it's a really good event and it mean something. Like, Cisco is a, is a household name at this point. Whenever you hear that, you know something good's happening. Yeah, and they, they get it done when it comes to the tech.

Like, we, yeah, we laugh all the time at bars. Like, the barstable difference because we just, tech just doesn't work. Like, we, we use Cisco for the first time, and they just got it done. These families were just connected to their, to their loved ones coming off the 18th Green at they'll let them play classic, and they nailed it at the U.S. Opens, women's and men. So, so they're great. Big thanks to Cisco when WebEx use their technology. because they just do not miss. What's the most nervous you ever been on a golf course? You don't strike me as a guy that gets particularly nervous.

Like what's the most nervous you ever been out there? Yeah, no, I get nervous every time I go to the teeth. But it's good nerves. I mean, it's because it means something to me. You know, I want to do well. I want to perform. But the most nervous two times stick out to me, which would be my first Rider Cup in Wales.

I was playing with Phil. I think we're in the first match out actually and I was team up first and yeah I was it was a three wood hole I hit driver because there was no way I was going to make contact with three wood I needed the biggest

biggest head I had in my bag so and then the other one would have been Walker Cup for some reason the first tee I was I was really nervous. This was in 07, the Walker Cup of Royal County Down. It was actually,

it was me and Colton O's, we're playing against Rory, McRoy, and I don't know why. I'm blanking on the other one, but it sucks to be that guy. Oh, he's not Roarie or. Yeah, he's not. DJ or Colton.

It was a long time. I can't wait to find out who that. person is. I can't wait. He plays on European Tour, I think. So I just get, I'm drawing a blank with me. It was a long time ago. Yeah. Yeah, 07, definitely. You guys had like an unreal team that year, the Walker Cup team. We did. We were, we were, uh, you know, we were pretty solid. Yeah, like the roster's all a bunch of who's who's now of a BGA tour. I like, I like that, like, when you're most nervous, it's a team event, right? Is that just, is that the athlete in you? that like the locker mentality?

And too, it's one of those things where, you know, it's not just me. Obviously, you have your teammates, your captains, you know, you represent your country. So, you know, you're out there. It's more than just yourself. So for me, you know, because I want to do well. I want to represent my country. I want to win for my teammates and everything. And so that's, and I think it just means so much.

to you. That's why, for me, I get really nervous. Not really in a bad way. First tea, a little shaky, but after that, I hone it in. Right, like, nervous to you is different than nervous to us. Like, when I'm nervous, like, when we played against Kevin Kizner, I couldn't get the ball

on the tea. I thought we were going to sit there all day being like this guy, we're just not going to be able to play, we're going to lose all our daylight because I can't get my ball on the tea. But you, like, you're obviously a little shaky, but you're still going to roast one. It's different. It's very different, obviously. Uh, yeah, I just don't know.

Might just might not know where it's going. Fair. But yeah, it's just going to get hit hard, though, for sure, especially when you're nervous. Yeah. Dude, just swing hard, baby. I'm looking at this fucking world most weeks at number one. And it's Tiger Woods, Greg Norman, Dustin Johnson with a hundred and twenty-nine weeks at world number one in the game of golf. Have you ever taken a step back and been like, what is going, like, how did this happen?

like the number one world in the world at golf for 129 weeks i can't even i mean the names you're up there with are preposterous like what does that mean to you being the number one is anything special or do you take any sort of weight with that yeah i mean it's it's what i've always strived to do and you know it's kind of where every golfer wants to be and for me it's yeah it means a lot obviously it's a great honor to be ranked number one. You know, it drives me to keep, you know, trying to get better. You know, there's always room for improvement. I don't care how good you're playing.

You know, there's always areas in your game that you can get better. And so for me, it kind of drives me to continue working on the game. Yeah, it's incredible. We were talking on yesterday's show about Phil winning a 50 years old, and I was kind of mentioning, like, does that draw some inspiration for a guy like you? Like, hey, and I'm 50 years old, I can still be out here. Like, does that, does that kind of open a door for you that maybe you thought, like, wouldn't have been an opportunity, you know, a week ago?

Yeah, I mean, that's what, you know, golf, you know, obviously, Phil, he stayed in good shape. He still can, you know, hit it long enough to compete. And obviously, yeah, I mean, he's still an incredible player. he always has been. But yeah, golf is one of those games where you can play and have a very long career, you know, if you stay healthy and, you know, do the right things. You know, stay hydrated, obviously. Body armor.

Absolutely. You know, that's a big part of, you know, having longevity is, you know, is taking care of yourself. Body armor. I love body armor. We have body armor in our Barstall office. like you wouldn't believe. I must drink like seven to eight bottles a day. And just something about the way that they make the water bottle,

it just goes down easier and actually tastes better. Even though it's just water, I won't drink another water. It's alkaline, infused, everything about it's just better. Yeah. No, I agree. Obviously,

I've got a garage full of it. So it looks like I've got a grocery store in my garage full of body. They take care of me very well. Yeah. Florida, too. I mean, you must sweat your dick off down there in Florida. Yeah. It is hot. So, yeah, I take quite a few with me to the course. You know, when I'm going off to practice, you know, fill the card up with them. Hell yeah. Are you superstitious at all? You got any superstition? We see, like, DJ out there rocking,

like, only marks his ball with a heads-up coin or anything like that? Yeah, I'm a little bit. I use, yeah, a quarter. All his heads up. But it's got a year in the 60s. So I've all, like, 1960s quarters. Wait, right. All right. Dustin, Dustin, you're extremely superstitious.

Hold on. You're extremely superstitious. That's awesome. Well, don't you want to shoot in the 60s? Oh, no. Yes, I do. Basic and simple. Yeah, I like that a lot.

That's fantastic. So if you pull out a coin that's like 65, your gold. that day is a 65 kind of thing? Well, no, not necessarily a goal. It's just good numbers. I like those numbers. You know, you like to shoot those numbers. Not necessarily, I don't ever have a goal of,

all right, I don't want to go shoot, you know, 65 or 66 or, you know, I try to shoot as long as I can every day. Whatever number that is, that's what it is. But I don't, I've just, I think ever since college, I've always used 1960 sports. God help anyone on your team that flips you like a 1982 quarter. You're on the first green at Augustine National.

You put it down. You're like, these fucking guys. Your brother's just off the bag. He fires you a 99. Right. That's the next question. How many quarters in the 1960s do you have? How many 1960s do you have?

I've got enough to last day for a long time. Right next to the body armor kind of thing. Yeah. I don't know, at least 100. Yeah, like somebody on your team had to, you had to just tell them at some point, like I need all the 60s quarters you could find, right? Yeah, of course.

Amazing. If I ever come across a 1960s quarter, I'm going to send it to DJ for sure. All right, please do. Done. Amazing, amazing. I'm glad we got that little nugget. All right, TJ, well, we really appreciate it, man.

We know you're busy. you know you're living the life down there in Florida. So we're rooting for you in your 1960s quarters that you got. Thank you. I appreciate it. Thanks for having me on the show. Next time we see you and we do that lefty challenge, we're not going to take it so easy on you.

Okay. I mean, we're going to be coming for you. We can't get embarrassed twice in a row. Bring it. Bullshit. Bring it, he says. Bring it, he says. You all should.

Y'all should practice a little bit. He's telling us to practice. Yeah. We need it. We really need it. We just didn't think you were going to take it so seriously, man. We're like, oh, we'll play this cute little game with DJ on that immediate day, and we'll play him lefty. You like Wanted Blood. I've never really seen anything like it.

Like, you want them to make us cry. I don't like to lose. It's true. You don't do it very often, so. That's awesome, man. Thanks, man. Yeah, thank you. Thanks, DJ. Thanks, Justin. Appreciate it. See you.

Thank you.