Fore Play - Enemy Homa, Saudi Waves, & WLD Champ Maurice Allen

Episode Date: February 17, 2022

A match vs Max Homa is set and happening next week. Fans welcome. Saudi league noise is getting louder and louder; naturally, it leads to us yelling at one another. And we’re joined by World Long Drive Champion Maurice Allen (45:29.24) to discuss hitting 500+ yard bombs, Bryson’s impact on the long drive sport, growing golf in African-American communities, and amplifying accomplishments of African-Americans in golf.You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

Hey, 4Play listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For Play, presented by Barstool Sports. We are back for our second show of the week. It is February 17th, 2020. Tiger Woods is doing a press conference as we speak. He's given a whole lot of nothing burgers, which you can just tell whenever he sets the tone in one of those pressers. He's not going to give you shit.

Currently not giving us shit. So we're going to record. We're talking. We got Maurice Allen on the show, who is a world-long drum. champion. I believe 2018 was the year that he was the champion and he's two-time number one ranked World Long Drive competitor in the world. He's also got a foundation. He does a lot of work, growing golf in African-American communities and also trying to amplify stories with African-American and diverse golfers, which is something that we obviously don't do enough of. And we got into

great conversation with him about that, about that perspective, about how we can do more. And he's just a phenomenal guy. He's got a great vibe. He's very fun to talk to the second he jumped in the chat. Some people jump in the chat and it's fucking weird and it's awkward and we sit here like, hello, we're going to like interview you now. And then other people jump in. They kind of comment on something that we look like or talk like. And then all of a sudden you're just in it and you're having a conversation. And Maurice was exactly like that. So phenomenal guests. Great guest, actually. Riggs, that was big of you to give him that type of intro because one, it's all true. and two, he ripped on you for an hour straight.

We talked to him for an hour, and he just kept giving it to you. And, you know, he, because you had said something right off the top about driving distance and how you want to drive it further than Frankie. And he just took Frankie's side immediately. And it was the through line of the interview, him making funny. I'll say, I did a little self-deprecation at the beginning of the show, sort of try to disarm anyone, you know, make it all comfortable, having a good time here. I can make fun of myself.

I want to be able to hit the ball further. You're the long drive guy. Frankie's, you know, a wiry, pathetic body who gets made fun of on the internet because he doesn't have a fucking neck anymore. And then I try to, I try to say that. And then he did. He just, anytime, you know, he was really trying to go back to like chopping it up with the boys. He went to just roasting me the entire interview, which is fine. It's, you know, as part of our come on.

I've been on the receiving end of that in many forms of social media, many conversations across the whole entire universe at this point. So, yeah, he's one of the, uh, you know, he's just one of those guys that you could just listen to speak forever. And it's not because he was giving me a ton of compliments. It's he's just so well spoken. And he could absolutely just, he could speak on anything and you're just going to listen to it. So one of my favorite long form interviews that we've done in a long time, you know, you learn something that you really don't think about a lot.

And, you know, now we're all going to have that on our mind, which is, you know, what he's trying to do. He's bringing awareness. He's, he's being a representative of his community. and it's really, you know, I see a path for us to be able to, you know, take more strides into that, into that space, sort of speak, where it's like, you know, we're just a bunch of dudes that like to do a lot of stuff in golf and we don't realize, like, how much of an impact we could have or do have when we put out YouTube videos that get hundreds of thousands of views, so many people are watching it. So you get a guy like him who has such amazing things that he wants to accomplish and so

many things he wants to talk about and putting him on our platform is is awesome i'm like very very happy and excited to be a part of something like that and things that he wants to accomplish that are real that are real and impactful in the world like a lot of our stuff's not real like we're going to talk uh coming up on this show about in depth probably about if we can as a four man scramble defeat max homa and that's going to be a huge discussion point and it's going to be a huge focal point next week and that's not even a real thing it's just a dumb video series that we do that people love and it is fun it's great it's good for golf But he's doing, you know, and focusing on real impactful stuff that change communities and lives and sort of the trajectory for golf and its impact.

And, you know, more of the communities, obviously that he's from and his family. And it's obviously going to be quite different than where we're from and what we typically talk about in the show. So it was a great perspective. And like I said, he's just the man with the exception of he decided to roast me the entire interview. That's fine. I can take it. We all could take it here. That's what we do.

So that's coming up, the second half of the show. First half, we got myself, Trent and Frankie. We got a handful of talking points to get through, including some rumors about Saudi Arabia. We got Riviera. We got, like I said, Tiger is back in the media space this week. And we got a big match coming up against Max Homa. Augusta actually released a little bit of information.

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I think it's probably top five, top four or five. I think actually tweeted that last week. But really cool golf course, a lot of bunkers. And we're going to open it up to fans. I think we're teeing off at 1 p.m. local time. There's a chance we could tee off at 210 because if we go off at 2.10, there's nobody behind us. But sunsets like 610 or 615.

So that could be a little bit dicey. If we go at 1 p.m., there's tea times all behind us. But I think we play it actually a pretty impressive pace anyways. Since we're playing to scramble, he's playing his own ball. We all just kind of hit and just go to one ball. So we'll see. But I think we're going to do 1 p.m. We are opening up to fans.

Auction is very cool. They've been super helpful. Yes, we can make this work, that work. You guys want fans. Cool. We'll have the beverage cart rolling around. And we got a match. Max Homa told me on the driving range before his round on Saturday that it doesn't matter.

We can pick everything from the course to the T's to whatever we want. We're going to get our first L is what he told me. It's by far our biggest test. There's no denying that. We're going to have fans. Trent's going to have to hit some shots with people lining the fairways. If you're in the area, definitely come, but be prepared for flying balls and maybe clubs, depending on how the match goes, especially with me with a wedge.

You never know what's going to happen around the green. But it's going to be a test. There's no denying. I mean, Max is one of the best players on the planet. You know, we are we are the one-shot wonders when it's come to our victories where, you know, we've had three balls out of bounds and then either like a lurch, Trent or I or Riggs, we find a way to hit that one good shot that saves us. Will we have that magic in Arizona?

I hope so. I'm coming for blood with Max. We have to attack this thing like it's the biggest event of our lives. And, you know, it's game seven of our, of our, oh my God, I was going to say Super Bowl. It's game seven of our World Series of our Stanley Cup. That's what we're doing. That's our big event that we have to live for and go to sleep thinking about. There's some talk about facial hair decisions. Trent, I don't know if you're, if you have something to say about that.

Um, yes, we've been tossed around the idea of shaving our facial hair or my facial hair and, you know, everyone else can jump on this as well into a mustache to play against Max Homo because he famously has a pretty epic mustache. So I'm in. I'm definitely going to do it. I think I'm going to let it grow out. You know, we only have a week. So it's like this is kind of what it's going to look like regardless. But I'm going to wait until the night before. for and I think we'll video me like chopping it all down. Which is crazy, dude. You haven't had that. People that have listened to this podcast haven't seen you without a goate, probably ever. No, I would say never.

Holy shit, dude. It's just like what I, what I've decided is my best look in terms of facial air because I can't grow a beard, which is, you know, one of the big disappointments of my gene pool. Surprise you can't grow a beard. Tell me about it. You seem like you'd be able to be a hairy.

You, you don't. Don't. You obviously don't. Trent, you seem like you'd be able to grow a full beard. Not to go TMI, but I'm actually not that hairy. Really? No, when I pop the top, I've got a little patch like right here. And then I'm smooth as a baby's bottom. Nice new room massage, me and you.

Oh, God. So, so, but it's, somebody gets some oil. Holy shit. The males in my family. and the females too, I suppose. They cannot grow facial hair. Like I, my dad and my brother look just like this in terms of facial hair. So, and my buddies, my best buddies growing up, I had two really, really close friends.

I still do. And they, they can grow these beautiful beards. And they were able to grow them when we were like 12 years old. And I could never do it. So I was always jealous. But I am going to shave this into a mustache for the Max Homa match. And Frankie had mentioned this and I think I have to do this as well. I think I got to dye it.

like a darker brown. Yeah, yeah. Because I have, I have like a mix of blonde hairs in my mustache that doesn't make it as prominent. So I think to really maximize my mustache, I have to color it a darker brown. What do you guys think about that?

What we're going to do? Listen, it's all about mind games. Yes, it's a buffet of bits, but also Max Homa going into the waste management, tweeted out got a shit ton of retweets about it saying, I think it's time to bring the mustache back. What better week to do it than at the waste management? So like he's a mustache guy.

He clearly goes to the facial hair for some sort of, you know, good juju. And we're going to do the same. We're going to steal his mustache flavor, his mustache. That's his like, that's his trick. That's his card in his pocket. That's his last bullet in the chamber. And we're going to take that from him. The facial hair game is now going to be on our side.

Now, will I contribute to that? I'm going to try to. This is what I'm working with a week out. We don't know how much better it's going to be. but you know what? I'm going to try my damn hardest to see where it gets to. I mean, we haven't seen rigs in a mustache ever. We haven't seen lurch in a mustache ever.

So it should be quite the interesting look. So I've got, you know, everything in this world, right, comes out to zero, right? It all evens out, even Steven. I've got, I'm hair, I got hair everywhere and just nothing up top. It's just fucking bear up there. So it all comes out to even. What I'm saying is I'm a little bit worried, too, about the Trent situation where I'm blonde. So I could shave all this and have a mustache.

nobody might be able to tell I have a fucking mustache. So I guess we have to dye him. We can just remandum. You can just remandum, no problem. Yeah, I think I have to die. You do a light brown. It'll just add a little darkness to it. It'll be out within a week or two.

You'll be fine. You're going to look a little ridiculous. But you know what? You're going to tell people when you go out to dinner, I just beat Max Holman in a fucking four-man scramble. Go watch it on YouTube. I am nervous about exposing this part of my body, like the chin under part. Yeah.

Same. to my life. But you, people are used to seeing that on you. I really think that the angles are going to look so much different because. I can't wait, dude. Because it's just, I've really planned it out where this looks as good as it can in terms of exposure. So now I'm going to chop it all the way down and I'm going to clean shave it into a mustache. Like, it's going to look far different.

I'm letting you know I don't do well with change. I couldn't look rigs in the eye for like a month when he got his. like surgery. I don't do well with change. I can't. Like when I see you, I might pass out. Like, well, you, it's true. Dude, if my dad ever came home and had his mustache shaved, I, first of all, I've never lived in a world in which he didn't have a mustache. Literally has had it for 28 years. So if he came home with no mustache, I'd actually think about like leaving forever. I don't know what I'd do. Like, I can't accept that. That's the way my brain works. I can't look at Trent without that facial hair. I can't do it. I'm not going to be able to

handle it. Trent, in your bachelor audition video, the OG from way back in the day, did you have any facial hair in that video? I think I did. I think I had a little bit. I think I had a similar thing to what I have now. I have to recall when I might have seen you or I'm trying to bring up images when you had. I know, but he wasn't like really on, like in the New York office even.

Yeah, dude. I have, yeah, maybe not when you started full time, but we, I have a picture of when he went on the Dave Portnoy show. It was like my first day working. the Dave Portnoy show and Trent came in to do some sort of interview with Dave. Dave was just like getting to know everyone in the office. He interviewed Rohn for the first time. Rone was just one of Smitty's friends from or Smitty had recommended him. He was the he was the sixers blogger. The Sixers blogger. So yeah, I remember Joe, Joe, Joe, Joe, Joe, Joe, and Joe show. The Joe,

Joe, Joe, Joe, Joe, show. I have a picture, a promotional picture I took on my phone of Trent and he's just got nothing. So like that and I don't remember that like with my own eyes. I only remember from the photo. also wasn't the norm. So I had, that was before I had moved to New York, but I would come up once a month to do videos to just like be in the mix. And that time that I was there, Smitty and I had done a clown video where we dressed up as clowns and went around the city to freak people out. Because it was, there was, there was a time on the internet where clowns standing silently were like a big thing. I think it ended up being a promotional bit for for it when it came back around. But anyway, Smitty and I decided

to do a video like that and to put face paint on we decided to go completely clean shaven so that's why in that picture that you have frankie that's why it's that way but it was like a special circumstance and i had never done it really before so it's been very few and far between very rare for me to have no facial hair whatsoever in regards to the match and this is no disrespect to our friend kevin kisner pat perez joel damon max homa has to be the best golfer that we're facing well max homer as the 35th ranked player in the world currently. He won twice on the PGA tour last year. And another real devastating and, you know, a tough hurdle is that he hits the ball really far.

Yeah. He hits it a mile and he hits it, you know, really straight, especially in sort of a fun game like this that we're going to play with him. So that's going to be something that we have to overcome because I remember us thinking, wow, Pat Perez hits the ball. You know, he's hitting it out there pretty fucking far. I believe is going to hit it significantly farther than Pat Perez, then Kevin Kisner, and then Joel Damon. So we're going to have distance.

We're going to be, you know, we're going to be chasing him the entire time, which is going to be new. And he's on the up and up, you know, I mean, Kiz and P.P.

Right, they've been kind of staples on the tour here for a while, and they've definitely racked up some wins. And Joel's on the up and up too, but he played terrible. We didn't even think it was him. We thought it was his brother. We played against him.

But, you know, Max is on the up and fucking. I mean, he wasn't that far off of making the Ryder Cup team last year. He probably, I imagine, will definitely, definitely, I think, not probably, definitely make some teams going forward. I'm on record at saying, I believe, a year ago or so, I think he'll be a top 10 ranked player in the world at some point. And now we have to try to take him down at a four-man scramble. The thing that is going our way is I think all four of us are better at golf than the last time we played a four-man scramble against the PGA tour.

Yeah. The scramble always came at a time where it was like, all right, Trent and I haven't played golf. three months we got this thing we got joel damon and pat perez in arizona next week and can you guys make it there and let's let's knock out these two videos and it was like all right like hopefully we can hit them we'll go to the range before and we'll figure it out now it's like trent and i've been hitting golf balls we're going to five iron we've got our we've got our launch monitors i've been going to the range a lot we just got back from doing the tailor made video we went to band in recently like we're just kind of playing a lot more golf this year specifically in 2022 ever since the calendar

turn. I think that we are definitely more prepared to hit better golf shots now than we are than we were in any previous match. So that's just me talking personally about my game. I feel much better stepping up to a T-box next Tuesday than I did against Pat Perez. Is this golf course that we're playing largely target golf like in Arizona, just a pretty straightforward Arizona golf course? Because that, when we played Perez, that ended up being a problem for a lot of it. Because we just, when we needed a shot, sometimes we wouldn't get it. And that's why it went down to the wire. No. So this course is a little more parkland style. I mean, yeah, it's a little deserty. There's a few spots where if you miss on a certain side, you're kind of in the desert and gone.

But for the most part, I'd be surprised if anybody even really loses a ball out there. It's kind of tree lined. It's a lot of bunkers. And the whole course, even the parts that I would call kind of waste area, desert area, aren't traditional bush. desert area they're pretty barren um you know not many plants at all and you pretty much will find everything so all right that's great news for us that helps us because we can swing but i also think you know it's going to let max swing pretty freely and uh but yeah i mean we're worse at golf so obviously that's going to help us i think this match well we that's right we have to putt and sink fucking puts we can't miss five footers six footers we can't have those times where it's like we're

overreeding these pots and we're all missing on the right side and like like we've there's been times during these scrambles where like we just think too much into it we can get the ball in the fucking hole and move on to the next t-box like we can't do we just we got to play our game we can't let max get in our head because when we play our game we've noticed that we just we make a lot of birdies as a scramble when we just play our game let's swing our swing our swings swing our swings Don't swing somebody else's swing. Four fucking idiots together can make one PGA tour golfer. And we've proven that over and over and over again.

It's time for the fourth time. I know we don't talk about the page sporadic one because we lost that one. Four verse four is another animal. Four V one, we're a problem. Four V one, we're a problem. Yeah. No, that's exactly what I was going to say. This match in particular, we just have to focus on us because Max is going to play

spectacular. And we just got to do our own thing and hope that we are ahead when it's all. over. I think that's right. I think that's exactly right. We've got to be confident. We got to be focused where we need lurch to hit the shots at he hits. We need rigs to hit the shots he hits.

Trent to hit the shots he hits. Frankie hits the shot. He hits. Frankie, I feel like you've been you've been purring the golf ball, especially off the tea lately. Just every time I'm watching a post at the driving range on in Long Island, you're going to these crazy fucking underground golf labs, it feels like, and working on your action.

So I feel like we're going to get. you know and Trent i mean Trent's 15 strokes better than he's ever been in his entire career I mean I think we gotta have some mojo going into this coming with our fucking mustaches and the best golf we've ever played in our lives frankie i Daniel king and trent was a problem for daniel kang he was right he was hitting fairways he was hitting greens he was like

holling out from all over the place trend is a problem when he's playing well in a scramble because he doesn't have to think about everything as for me i love i love I love playing the Scramble. Scramble is by far the most comfortable I am on golf, on a golf course. You know how freeing it is for me to know, like, all right, we're 200 and like 30 yards away. And like I can now at least just try and rip as hard as I can, a three wood at the green and really try and like utilize. I feel like my long irons. I have a pretty good feel on them right now.

But when I'm playing by myself, I'm thinking like, all right, do I hit now like a nine iron, nine iron? because I can't hit fucking wedges from 40 yards and in. Like in a scramble, I get to do whatever I want because those, those, those shots that I don't like and all the results that I don't like to get myself into, I don't have to worry about because we have rigs who's like the best chipper on the planet. You guys can get it up on the green.

I don't have to worry about that shit. We're significantly better as a scramble. Max Homa is absolutely going down. If you're in the Arizona area, if you're near Scottsdale, where is it, where's the actual town that we're doing this? It's,

um, Maricopa. It's like right next to Maricopa. Arizona. So you guys got to come down. You're going to see Max Homa play against a bunch of fucking hacks and he's going to lose. Yep. And that's going to be a lot of fun. We're going to drink a lot of drinks and we're going to have a we're going to have a lot of fun on that golf course. So auction southern dunes 1 p.m. Tuesday of next week. That's the 22nd of February. It is the four man scramble against Max Homa and he's taking it quite seriously. He texted me yesterday and I asked him a little bit about

Riviera and his excitement level for our match. And he said everybody. knows that this is the prep for the real major on Tuesday. And then he's also going to be bringing out his boy Joe Griner, who's his caddy. So I think he's going to give us the full Kevin Gisner treatment where I think he's going to be in full PGA tour outfit. I think he's going to have the full tour bag. He's going to have his caddy out there walking with him. Like I wouldn't be surprised of Max and Joe are like, no, like, no, working. This is a, this is a tournament event. So we got to bring it. I just look. Max Homa averages over three hundred and five. yards off the T this year on the PGA tour.

And I imagine at this golf course again where there's not a ton of trouble, he's going to be ripping that driver, probably 315 to 320 pretty consistently in Arizona. But that's okay. We have Frankie with the stealth bomb now can hit it. Like I've watched him hit one 317. Is that what you hit it, Frankie? It was, um,

yeah, it was 292 carry 317 total. Dude, I dare you. I dare you. This is an official dare. I dare you to out drive Max home at least once during this four-hance-scramble. We got to look up. I mean, Max can hit the fucking ball. Yeah, dude.

Those numbers rigs right off. You're not going to believe how far. You're not going to believe how far he drives a golf ball. Just catch one, dude. He's a ball striker, so he's pretty smart and strategic around the course, which affects his driving distance stats on. I just looked them up compared to all the other guys we've played, though. I mean, he's averaging.

He's 50th in the world in driving distance. Perez is like 90-something. Kiz is like 100. Kiz and Joel Damon are both like 150-something. So in terms of the guys that we've played so far, he is going to hit it significantly farther than anybody we've played again so far. Which is fine because we're playing great golf. So come on out on Tuesday.

Auction, Southern Dunes. It's a really cool spot. It's pretty flat course, so it's not a hard walk. And we're going to have fans out there. We have a great time. Weather looks like it could be a bit chilly, maybe like low 60s or so, which is great for us because we got, I think, Trent and Lurch, you guys both love that kind of weather. I think it's like your favorite temperature in the world.

That's perfect. I was concerned that Arizona weather was going to be way too. I thought it was going to be 80. So to hear that it's going to be low to mid-60s, at least I think I'll survive. I think I'll live. It's a dream. Today's episode brought to you by our friends that's simply safe. Simply safe.

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It's just hearsay report. I'm going to put Dr. Evil air quotes on it. Reports that 17 guys have committed to the Saudi League, including a handful of big names. A lot of whispers that Bryson DeShambo is that big name that he has told other people that he will not be playing on the PGA tour again, that he is moving on to the Saudi Golf League, and it makes a lot of sense. He's obviously a big name.

He drives a ton of engagement traffic. I don't know that he gives a shit if his reputation, again, Dr. Evil air quotes, is, Dr. Evil air quotes, ruined by going to Saudi Arabia. I don't know that he really cares about that kind of stuff. They're probably going to offer him $100, $150, $200 million. And I think that that's probably what matters to him or seems to be. be mattering enough that everyone is saying he's the guy that's going to go. We had, um, Kalamorkawa came out very strongly supporting the PGA tour.

He said a quote that I loved. We said, my entire life, I've thought about the PGA tour. I've thought about playing against Tiger and beating his records. He would want to say the best players as far as I see are all sticking with the PGA tour. We've all heard rumors of this date, this date, this date. What are they actually waiting for? There still have been no names. We come back to evidence, concrete evidence of what's going on.

Right now it's an unknown. It's a hidden thing. It's not enough. And then Roy McElroy said, look, I've lived it for the top guys. All that money really isn't going to change their life. I'm in a way better financial position than I was a decade ago. And my life is no different. I still use the same three, four bedrooms of my house. I just don't see the value in tarnishing a reputation for extra millions, which is a great point where a lot of folks have said, you're going to make $50, $100, $200, $200 million over 15, 20 years on the PGA tour for a lot of these big names. Why rush over? over to blood money and ruin your reputation, not be allowed to play in potentially certain tournaments, et cetera, et cetera, when you're already making a ton of money here, is it really a difference? How many, you know, yachts can you water ski behind? Kind of a mantra.

So there's a lot going on, a lot of smoke. I have to imagine in the next few weeks here, something concrete gets announced from this tour. Otherwise, there's going to keep doing this bullshit, I think. I also saw our upcoming foe Max Homa gave a great answer as well. basically it was a long answer and it was a good answer, but I don't have it in front of me. But essentially, he was saying the things that the PJ tour provide are something that no other tour, certainly no upstart tour can provide.

And he's talking about specifically this week at Genesis where what tournament, what breakaway tournament is going to be able to provide a tournament where Max wins. It's hosted by Tiger Woods. Tiger Woods hands you the trophy. It's a golf course that Max had grown up going to. So he's just got a lot of these, I don't know if you'd call him intents. tangible connections, but there's just a lot of things that the PJ tour offers you, simply having existed for as long as it has and it has guys like Tiger Woods involved who host

tournaments or when Jack hosts a tournament, like the breakaway leagues don't have that. So if you're a person who like values your place in the game of golf, and he also said that not everybody does, like a lot, there are people out there who just play for money. And if they want to go make a hundred million dollars in the Saudi League, then they're going to do that because they're in it for the money. but if you're a guy like Max, and I think a lot of guys on tour are, who want to, you know, build a legacy

and participate in these tournaments where the greats are hosting. And if you are good enough in a particular week, that great will hand you a trophy. And then you have all these memories every year when you come back. Like a breakaway league just simply cannot provide that. Yeah, word for word,

this is actually what he said. And it's really interesting. So I felt like we had to say it. Sure. It's an interesting dynamic we've got going. This is Max Homer speaking. by the way, I'm Max Homa. I love the PGA tour. Driving up to this golf course with memories of winning a golf tournament that Tiger Woods handed me a trophy at, they don't have

that in a breakaway league. Money's cool. People out here, some people say for the money, some people play for the love of it, I guess the enjoyment of the successes. But I can promise you right now that the furthest thing from my mind and the furthest thing from anyone's question, from anyone's questions really was that when I won this golf tournament I made the most money that I've ever made in one lump sum, $1.67 million. And that's not the part that I remember.

That's my take on it. So, you know, it really kind of, it's almost a lesson in life that it's not just about golf. The way these guys are talking right now, Rory's saying he uses the only, the same three bedrooms, four bedrooms in his mansion, his massive, massive house compound is the word I was looking for. By the way, he's speaking right now as I talk.

He's looking real gray. Rory's starting to get gray. Yeah, I think it happens the best of us. But I can't tell. I think he's been, I remember gray is kind of popping up on him when he was like 25 or so. And maybe he just for mend it. And now I maybe he's just got a kid. He just doesn't care.

Yeah, he's kind of letting it roll. I like silver fox. Yeah, he looks, he looks amazing. He's going to, he's going to gray very well. Yeah, he's going to gray very well. But yeah, it's, you know, Dave Portnoy has said this before where he's like, at some point, you make enough money to just be like, I'm done caring about that? Like, how much more could you possibly have? When some of these guys ruin their reputation, some guys leave some of these

teams to go from $100 million to $200 million and they ruin their reputation and they leave their team where you're like a John Tavares and you like could have had a really amazing thing on Long Island and you like went for more money and all this stuff to Toronto, right? Like a Robinson Canoe member went to Seattle because he was making more money. Did Johnny Damon do something similar? Jump from the... Johnny Damon went from the Red Sox of the Yankees for all the money in the world. Yeah.

It's just at some point, like, yes, you want as much money as possible. And that's like the everyday average man thing to want. At some point, you becomes more than that, a Rory Mac or Roy, even a Mac's home is making just like ungodly money. And you stop thinking about it.

You're just like, what, how many more houses, how many more Ferraris can someone buy? You know what I mean? At some point, it doesn't matter. It's just like, it's a number that can not be spent. Yeah. And I agree that if it were the difference between making 500K a year or making $25 million a year,

huge difference. Everybody understands that. Or even making $2 or $3 million a year versus making $15 million a year. That's an enormous difference. You do that for a few years. Your entire future is completely different, financial security, all of that. But like he's saying, for them to draw the top guys has to be really difficult for the Saudi League to draw them because these guys are already making a ton of money.

And for them to make a little bit more like the last part of Rory's says for tarnishing a reputation for extra millions, right? Extra millions. Not like a necessity of required, a really important influential to your life and your family's life. Millions. It's extra millions that maybe that's another house on the other coast of Florida or something that doesn't really fucking matter.

It's not really going to change your life. at all. It's great. It's fucking awesome. We all want to make money like you said. But I think for those top five, ten guys, we're always making a lot of sense in that why would they risk this blood money, this horrible reputation, not playing in tournaments with Tiger Woods in the tournament or, you know, presenting the trophy, not having the chance to potentially play in some major championships or the bigger events on the PG tour, the players, the Phoenix Open, the Memorial, like these big tournaments that have a ton of history when you show up and there's important records that you're trying to chase because you're not chasing the money at that point,

or at least you're not chasing it. That's not your main focal point. You are chasing your legacy and records and history. And that's what fulfills them. That's why they go practice all the time. They've already got the millions. And now you're doing it for some hollow new, you know, league. And, you know, Max left it a little bit open there being like, I'm not, like, maybe these other leagues will be great. Who knows? But at the current time, it's like, it seems if your priorities are not strictly just making the most dollars down to the cent that you could possibly make, it seems like there's so many more reasons to stay with the PGA tour. Yeah. I'll play devil's advocate.

Like I have been for the past couple weeks with this. But if you do decide it's about the money, which a lot of guys in sports do, that's been proven amongst every contract negotiates ever happened in all of sports. sports. I mean, Juan Soto just declined $350 million over 13 years to play for the Washington Nationals. He's expecting $500 million by the Washington Nationals. That's something that's happening right now as we speak. So we can't act like money does not matter. If you do act like money matters to like ungodly money, that's all they want. They don't care where it's coming from. They just want fucking money. The Saudi League is the easiest way for them to get it. They do not have to perform on any sort of level to make money. It's a fucking guaranteed

check, which is not currently available on the PGA tour, any other league like it in golf. They are guaranteeing a check no matter how hard he works, no matter how much effort he puts into his body, no matter of steroids, quote unquote, he has to put in. He doesn't have to fucking change his life ever. And he gets to play in the U.S. Open, the Masters, and anything else he really wants to do. The Open, I mean, he just misses what, the PGA Championship? We fucking love the PGA Championship. We love Seth Wob, but at the end of the day, like he's going to have to come up

with something more to stop these guys from making $150 million. That's not going to be the saving grace is that championship. So I don't know, man. They get to do everything they want. They get to prestige. They get to get all the trophies. They get to fucking be on the billboards. They get to still be a huge part of golf.

And they get guaranteed cash. Yes, it's blood money. Yes, it's horribleness. But like, guys are going to do it. And once one guy does it, they're all going to kind of fall in line. As usual, Rory to me made the best point. And it's a little bit what we talked about last time, where the guys who have the most potent,

or the guys who are getting the biggest offers from the Saudi League have the most earning potential on the tour. Just stick around for a fucking decade. And you'll have the money that the Saudis are offering you. And you, your life, Roy said it. His life didn't change. I get that. But like, that's like telling a football player,

like, just take this contract where like you're going to perform over the next four or five years. Dude, it's not football. Yes, it is because like that guy could get hurt the next year. It's not guaranteed. money. There's no guaranteed money. I understand that they have the highest potential, but that's a massively important word there. Potential. Tomorrow, if Bryson D. Chambo signs on the dotted line, he gets a guaranteed, whatever the number might be. We don't know it's behind closed doors. It hasn't been leaked yet. 100-something million dollars. That is guaranteed. He could never hit a ball in the

fairway ever again, and it does not matter. That you can't tell me that that doesn't come to- show up and play and everything. Sure, but he doesn't have to win. For him to make the potential earnings, He's got to win like four more U.S. opens. He has to keep going on and all. He's going to have those sponsors. He's going to, like, he's not, and Bryce's, I don't know, it doesn't strike me to the guy. He's not going to be like, okay, I don't have to practice or care about golf.

I just show up for the next five years. I think he's still going to be neurotically crazy about trying to be the best golfer that he possibly can. So if that's not going to change, what's the difference? It's also shows a lack of self-confidence. Like, if you think you're not, you're not, like, you want the guarantee money. Sure, but now you guys are just like throwing at the idea of guaranteed contracts. Like, you're acting like that.

stuff is not important at all. But you're acting like the you, they can't make just as much money on the They absolutely can, but that's why like, that's why every fucking football player fights for guaranteed contracts and signing bonuses and all of the stuff. Like the best quarterbacks on the planet are like, yes, I absolutely think I'm going to go out there and work my ass off and win Super Bowls and and lead the league and touchdowns and, but like I mean money to. Why is it different?

It's literally, you can single, it's a single base thing. It's a contact sport. Okay. You have a much higher probability of getting hurt. Okay. You can easily get hurt in golf or you can easily just fall. As easily at least football? No, but you can easily stop performing at your level at any given day.

Your back could fucking hurt. Your arms could. I mean, Bryson right now is not playing the PGA tour. He says his back hurts, his arm hurts. Brooks Keppka's missing tournaments left and right. His wrist, his forearm, he hit his stump. There's still ways to not make the money. I'm just saying, like, Jordan Speeth has not been making the potential amount of money

that he would have been making over the past five years. He was the highest on the Forbes list like every year. I understand. that because he was playing to a potential that would make him that money. My point is that if someone would have paid him that potential from a Saudi league five or six years ago and said, we think your potential is this. We're going to give you $400 million because you just fucking are on the top of the Forbes list. You don't think he would assign that and been like, I don't.

Yeah, I don't have to do this again. I think that's pretty similar to what he had. He had that from Under Armour. It's like he was getting X amount. That's the reason he was on the top Forbes. Not because he's winning every tournament. Like the marginal, the difference in what he was making actually on the PGA tour, I would say in this whole scope of things is marginal.

Like the difference between guy making like 15 or like 9 million, depending on how good of a year they had when when speed's making fucking 30 or 50 million a year from endorsement contracts. Like those are guaranteed. He's making that shit. Yeah, you make some bonuses. But that shit's fucking guaranteed. Those are, that's why him. That's why Ricky. That's why Ricky's on every commercial in the world.

Like he's got guaranteed money left or right. Now, I'm not saying that what you're saying isn't appealing to anyone. Clearly it's going to appeal to some people because those guys are. going to make this league happen, it sounds like, based upon all the rumors. But I just think that there are a lot of guys that are going to be in the Rory, Morikawa, Max Homo, Boat of I'm already making a ton of money. It's great. I care a lot more at this point about, you know, the PGA Tour, this history, this legacy,

competing in this world. PGA Tour has been good to me. I'm excited about it. This is what I love to do. I've dreamt about this my entire life. I don't have big complaints to the PGA Tour, not enough to go off and take blood money. And I don't need blood money. So I'm here.

I'm rolling and it's fucking great. I think a lot of guys come from that vantage point. I have something to ask, right? I have something to ask. If this wasn't coming from blood money and it was just another tour, let's say it's the opposite of blood money of tour. It's the Canadian tour and all these nice, how you doing sorry people,

making maple syrup and cutting down trees all the time playing hockey. Let's say they offered Bryson D. Chambot $250 million to go play in their tournament. He can never play in the Genesis Open again. and he can never play in fucking Bay Hill. You don't think that he would take the guaranteed cache over all this other bullshit that he has to do for the next time of the two? He's already taking the side of you. Okay. So now, but do you think more guys would be appealed to that because of guaranteed money as opposed to where it's coming from?

Do you think the source of the money is the only issue? I don't think it's the only issue. No, I think it's one of the issues for sure. Okay. I genuinely think that that's the only reason why you guys would think a player wouldn't take guaranteed money over the other stuff. They can still play in the prestigious tournaments. They're playing in the majors. I don't understand why they wouldn't take the guarantee money.

And the only reason I can understand it is because it's coming from people that are like committing hate crimes against humanity. But I think you're giving a little too little credit. You're not giving enough credit to the rest of the PGA tour, which while it's not as exciting to everyone and Tiger Woods didn't prioritize it necessarily. Those guys, that's their whole life. That's what they do all year long. That's what they enjoy. Like when Max Holmo won at Riviera last year, he said like maybe outside of the

masters, that is the biggest tournament for him that he could have won. He's from California. That's his favorite golf course in the world. That was like, that was the thing for him. That was number fucking one, basically. And now he's going to go off and play in Saudi Arabia. Like, I don't think that has the same meaning to him. I think he is not even considering it. And whether that comes from the Canadian, hey, sorry, how are you? League or the Saudi League. I don't know that that particularly matters to that person. I think, again, like chasing what. Tiger Woods did, right? Like Morikawa, that's why he invoked Tiger Woods' records.

Like, that shit fucking matters to those people. And that's why. And they're, guess what? They're also making tens of millions of dollars while doing it. I'll say this. I hope somebody does it. Just to see. Like, it seems fucked up to say because, but that's just like the arena that we're

dealing with right now in terms of like potentially players going to play in the Saudi league. Like it'd be a hell of an experiment if Bryce and Deschambeau took the money and went. Like I would love to, I just, what would happen? What would happen to Bryson? Yeah. What would the people's perception of Bryson be? Like, how often would we see? Like, it's, it's so preposterous and the idea of it is so insane. And the people who are giving them money are horrible people. But what if you just see Bryson do it and like, what the fuck happens? It's definitely drama. It's definitely, and I'm just playing devil's advocate. I'm trying to show the

other side. There's got, there's a reason why this talks are happening. I love the Rory Macaroys. I love all the people that love the PGA tour. We love the PGA tour. It's been a part of of our lives. It's why they are who they are. That's my other devil's advocate on that side. They are who they are because of the PGA tour. Bryson is the only reason he's going to the table with these people to make this money is because of what the PGA tour is done for him. It's like the Barstool thing where it's like Alex Cooper goes to Spotify and makes $60 million. She came from Barstle sports. She was not she was nothing at first. Now she's like the biggest podcast on the planet. And she always calls back to like Dave and she talks about that in her interviews. And she

says like that you have to be able to talk highly about the pj tour it's crazy at this point that there's this split um you know thought on what they're doing tiger woods is doing a press conference at a pj tour event right now i will follow tiger woods until i'm dead that's what i'm gonna say uh all right clearly we're in a little screaming match i like it this is what this tour i mean we're not the only room that's been screaming at each other over these two leagues going at it so it's good it's going to be interesting to watch um we got a great interview so that's going to be interesting for you to watch as well. Here is Maurice Allen. All right, folks, we are joined by a world long drive absolute competitor, I believe twice ranked number one in

the world. Trent and I, one of our first golf videos we ever did, is we went down to, what was it Thackerville, Oklahoma. Is that what it was called? Yep, Thackerville, Oklahoma. And we covered the World Long Drive in like 2017, and it was awesome. It delivered one of the funniest clips I've ever seen where Trent smoked a drive and then through his driver into the driving range. We're joined by Maurice Allen, who's, again, an absolute competitor and crushes the ball. Welcome to the show for the first time. Appreciate it. Thanks, man. So I'm going to start with, I need you to help me figure out how to hit the golf ball farther because we got Frankie Borelli down there who's like this wiry, kind of pathetic figure from an

athletic standpoint who hits at like 315. And I'm a, you know, I consider myself a legitimate athlete and I hit it like 265 and I can't figure it the fuck out and it drives me crazy. Well, wow. So if he's pathetic and you're so far behind him, what does that make you?

Frankie, I got you. It's a great start, Ray. Listen, you don't even have to say anything. The way how it was just so, so disrespectful, the shade was beyond, beyond ridiculous. But he's like 40 behind you.

So, it's just factual, man. It's a furious. It's just infuriating. I don't know how you guys do it. What's your, what's your longest drive you've ever hit in competition? Let's see. Competition 483, which actually you all covered when you shot that thing in Thackerville. Yeah. And then I hit one five to-eighth three. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I had one five-fifteen. It was just out of bounds by like that. Oh, legit. It sucked. It hurt my soul just a little bit because the 500 mark is the mark. Like, and it's all, you know, it's conditions based. But yeah, it was, I mean, it was literally, if you take your phone and lay it down, it wasn't the width of a phone. Oh, it was, ah, it hurt.

So how much, how much carry is that? Like, because I've watched the competitions, those balls, they get going once they hit the ground. So it's weird. Like, the one that I hit 483, I carried it 450. So I only got 30-something yards a row. I didn't get a lot of roll. I'm, and I think it depends on an individual, right? It's obviously conditions-based, but.

I've never gotten a lot of role. That's why in 18, you know, when it rained that Monday night and like rained heavy, I started smiling because I knew at the end of the day there was nobody on the planet who carried the ball as far as I did. It was two and a half inches of water in the grid. So, you know, when you got that, you're just hitting into a lake. And I was like, I got this all along. Never, never a doubt. Wow.

Man, those are psychotic numbers. I remember that year there was the first day. I think it was into the wind. Yeah. And then, yeah, the second day, I think it was day two when it was downwind. And obviously the numbers were like a hundred yards different. So that was, we were there for that 483 was your longest in competition? So mine was in Denver.

But the piece that you all put out during World Championships, you showed a clip from it and all the other stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. So then in practice. this and not in competition what's your what's your record um i drove a part five one day when i was playing golf with my friends in atlanta it was like 425 or something like that i mean 525 put it on the green lipped out for for two tapped in for three oh incredible what's your what's your actual what's your what's your uh full golf game like what what kind of player are you uh honestly so it was

weird man uh year and a half ago i shattered my hand um i was playing in the diamond resorts which is now the Hilton Grand Vacation. I was raising money for my foundation. Second shot, I legit broke my hook of handmaid in half and knew it, second ball of the day. And I kept playing all four days with a broken hand, ended up with, it was a compound injury, ended up with five broken bones between my hand and my wrist. But my thing was, I couldn't stop playing because I was raising money for charity. I'm like, well, if I stop on the, you know, first hole, how does that help anybody. So, you know, and then coming back this year, I had the lead after the first day, but I actually hurt my hand on 17. So that sucked. But my golf game, man, it's touch and go.

There's some days, you know, I've won some mini tour events here in Florida. I can go out and shoot, you know, 68, but I can also turn around and shoot 83. For me, it's the consistency. It's not necessarily the driver. I don't know. It's just me. I'm just not. I'm just not consistent enough. The game is interesting from that standpoint. But, you know, I'm spending this year, I'm doing both Long Drive and golf. And I'm going to give it a go. I'm going to see if I can try to go to Corn Ferry Q School. I'll be here in Orlando playing the Moonlight Tour. So there's like three events every week. And I'll go from there and try to go down south through the minor league tour. There are a lot of great guys who play on that as well. And if I can start winning some local stuff, then just keep moving up.

You know, I'll do U.S. Open Qualifier either way and just see what happens. Not to take you back to that injury, but compound, does that mean that it went through the skin? No, no, no, not from compound through the skin, just from a standpoint of like it was just a domino effect. One thing after another. Oh, it was compound. I see. Okay. Yeah.

So it was all, it was, I mean, the first one, you know, I didn't hit a route. I didn't hit anything like that, man. It was, it was the craziest thing ever. And I mean, I'm walking around with a rules official. You know, they let me use my, um, uh, hyper ice massager. I'm walking and like and I'm literally massage gun in my forearm to death. Just trying to take any of the pain away. They were like, oh, we want to take you to the hospital.

I was like, nah, I already know what the problem is. I don't want to know how bad because I'm going to keep thinking about it. And I was with Stacey Lewis one day and she was like, dude, you got to stop. I was like, when you're posting something bigger than yourself, you can't stop. Probably one of the dumbest decisions I was going to. I was going to say it's very commendable. it's for charity. Like that is, that's awesome. But at a certain point, like, you might lose the hand if you don't go to the hospital. You know, I'll be honest with you. I made my piece with it, though.

You know, coming from an area where I came from in Orlando, which there are no golf courses, you know, a kid from Pine Hills who didn't play golf growing up to being a world champion, two-time number one, I've won on every continent except Africa. If that was how I went out, I was all right with it. I was totally okay with it because I was the whole point in the foundation was to give people the opportunity that I had that I didn't even know existed when I was growing up. I didn't, my mind frame wasn't on the scope of let's play golf. Let's see where that can take us. And then for me to start playing at 28 years old and go where I went with it, I mean, it allowed me to buy a house.

It allowed me to help my family out and all these other things. I mean, the game changed me as a human being. It made me a better person. and how could I deny someone else that same opportunity? I mean, the game essentially made me part of in the relationships I found along the way made me the person who I am today. So, you know, you can't ever repay what is given to you, but you can always pay it forward. And so I was all right with it. It was totally cool.

It's pretty crazy to be a world champion. I mean, there are seven, eight billion people in the world. Well, millions of them are trying to hit a golf ball as far as possible. and you were just the best, the champion. Is that crazy to you? So in all transparency, you have to have a good week. It doesn't necessarily mean you're the best. I honestly, I was the best in the world in 17.

I had a bad week. I couldn't sleep. You know, Justin James ended up winning. I was better than Justin James, hands down, in 17. in 18, Justin James was the baddest man on the planet. A lot of times the world champion doesn't necessarily mean that they won. It doesn't necessarily mean that they won that, like, they're the best at that particular time. It's so weird.

Like I remember probably the biggest one I can ever say is land and gentry. Land and Gentry for like two years was the baddest man on the planet. hitting the golf ball. He doesn't have a world title. And so for me, I never had the dream of being world champion. Never. It was never a goal for me. I just wanted to do the best I could and be consistent, mainly because it was how I made my living, right? So I'm not consistently cashing checks. I'm back sleeping in my car again. That's not a good look. I didn't want that at all. But, you know, looking at it, man, it's something so wild to say I'm a world champ. It never really dawned on me. It took me the longest time to really let it sink in and soak in.

And even still now, I mean, I don't beat my chest. Oh, I'm a world champ. I don't ever bring it up. It's just like, it's one of those fun facts. I guess if I go on the game show, somebody would be like, hey, this guy's a world champ. They'd be like, nah, liar to, ah, hell, no, that's, that's a lie. That's a lie. It's a hell of a lot of responsibility, though, when you think about it.

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And eventually he's like, you know, I'm liking that. You know, you're hitting the hybrid pretty good, but it's a little high. I want to hit this two iron. I just started roasting this two iron to the point where I hit. it 241 I think was the last one I took a swing at. Whoa. This Sim UDI Taylor made two iron I put it in the bag yesterday. They gave me a couple.

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Yeah, it was nuts. I miss that. Dude, you can like customize the stealth on their website, all these different colors. You can customize like the wings by the word stealth. You can customize the face to a different color, blue, green, yellow, orange, red. It's insane.

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It's like Islanders, black orange and blue putter. It's fucking awesome. It's so cool. The customization. Everyone's like, oh, it's a red face. That's amazing. I love the red face personally. But they're like, oh, it's like a little too much for me.

You can go customize it. Go on the website. You can get the stealth with whatever color you want. Hmm. So go check out our stuff. Barshalsports.com slash Taylormade. Like Frank you said, all the customization stuff is so sick. It's so fun to play with.

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So the stealth is awesome. Go check out all of Taylor Maid's great items and what we rock and the Tor Response and the TP5s and everything else at barstrelsport.com slash Taylor Made. Yeah, so, you know, we've talked to, you've touched on it a good amount. The charitable work that you do, it is Black History Month. So it's the best time to kind of raise awareness for a lot of what you've done, which MA360, the foundation, growing golf, inclusion, engagement in golf in black communities. How are we doing with golf in black communities? You know, it's a tough thing, right? For me, and I made this argument in,

2020, Roger Steele, who you all obviously know, captured it. And the hardest problem that I have with it is 2020 was an eye-opening year for me, not because of George Floyd, but because of Kobe Bryant. I watched, I remember it was the Sunday of the PGA show. I'll never forget it. You know, everybody's watching, you know, Tori, and then they get the news about Kobe, right? they go to waste management the next week and they've got the flag at 824. Everybody's got Mumba mentality all over the place.

It's absolutely beautiful the way how they showed love for Kobe and what he meant to just athletes, not even the game of golf, just any athlete, period. And the next week was Black History Month. There wasn't a single OEM that even acknowledged Black History Month. And that to me was the biggest I. opening thing in the world. And people say, oh, well, Tiger Woods, you know, arguably the greatest golfer alive is black. And I'm like, okay, but they didn't even make mention of him. You know, they didn't show anything that he accomplished and tied it into Black History Month. And then, you know,

you fast forward and then everything happens with George Floyd and Rihanna Taylor. And for me, the whole say her, say their name campaign is so big because people don't understand how much power is in the acknowledgement. You know, I ended up living that the year before when I hit the ball across Niagara Falls and it was almost like it didn't exist. And I came on a few, you know, podcasts and I had a few interviews and it was hilarious to me to hear my white counterparts or, you know, colleagues say, you know, for big of an accomplishment as it is, I thought it would have got a lot more impressed than that. And it was literally like getting stabbed in the heart. So I think as a whole, I think, you know, there are no companies that have

black influencers. If you look at them, any of the OEMs, there aren't any. I mean, Rogers is the only one right now. And that's within the last year. There's no content that shows black professional golf. I mean, Nike did the thing with Drake. And I really wasn't a fan of that because I'm like, well, what does that show that shows us hopping on the standing on the top of a golf cart? and doing everything like that, the same old foolishness, but it doesn't show us in the professional realm. There are a lot of amazing black golfers out there. The fact that, you know, you had seven women on the Summettra tour last year

that had the opportunity to potentially earn their way to the LPGA. I think you've got six this year. You know, Mariah Stackhouse is the model. You know, she's all-American academically, all-American athletically, ends up, you know, anchoring the national championship, live on golf channel, the whole nine yards, plays our ass off. Nothing. She did everything the right way. No bad background.

No, no issues, you know, approachable, can speak very well, all of these different things and still nothing. I mean, you know, it's at some point the golf world hopefully changes and it's not the people think. that it's saying, oh, well, you can't go play golf. No, it's just a respect. And it's, if you look at the private clubs, there are very few black members. Well, if you look at the private clubs, those are the people who are really running the world. It's not the people who are showing up at your munis. That's not it. The munies, the four of us are all the same people. You know what I mean? We're all in the same thing. The vast majority of the people in the game aren't the decision makers. When you get to the prestigious clubs,

that's when you get to the decision makers. And in those circles, there is no quote unquote integration or there is no, there's no representation. And so without representation in those circles, then how can you ever, ever, you know, market to that demographic? It doesn't exist. Then that's where the inclusion goes wrong. I mean, anybody can go to a community, pick up some clubs or go to Topgolf and pick up some clubs and do whatever they want to do. And that works, but the powers that be, we're not represented. Now, on the other side of that, we got to play better.

I'm not saying go out there and just throw black folks out there just because. But there are some people who have great resumes. I mean, I had more sponsors before I won a world championship than I ever did after. I had companies that I went after left, right, and center. And, I mean, if you're the world champion surfer, you should have Billabong, O'Neill, everybody down the list beating down your door, I won world championships and it went dark. It was like, yeah. And you're talking about a guy who gave, you know, I think an accumulation over three years,

$75,000 to high school kids to go to school, set up some programs here, helping black golfers get out there, did everything right. And so what else is there to do? What is the hope? Like you're taught from the time of your kid, you have to do. do things a certain way. And then when you get there, you accomplish those things. And then you still don't get the care of that the end sucks.

A hundred percent. And I mean, look, it's just we're, we're for white dudes on a podcast who probably go to those same type of club. So it's for us, we're like, oh, yeah, you're making a lot of sense. And people should amplify, you know, those types of stories a lot more. Do you think golf, do you think golf is inherently good for, you know, all communities, but especially black communities. So I think golf is physical chess, right?

I mean, Frankie, I know you don't do this, but somebody, not naming any names, sucks, okay? You know, he probably goes out there. No one intends to hit the ball into the water. That's not the goal. You know what I mean? You see the water there, but you're telling yourself,

all right, I'm going to the complete opposite side. Golf allows you to get naked. It really does. It allows you to see your flaws. It really brings out your demeanor. I mean, how many times have you stood over a putt and you're like, all right, just don't pull the putt, don't pull the putt, don't pull the putt. Why would you tell yourself what not to do? Hey, make a confident stroke, keep your hands in front, keep your hands soft, whatever your triggers are, and just do it.

Go activate it. And I think it's in all communities. I don't think it's in black communities, white communities, brown communities, heavily male populated, heavily female populated. It's literally a game where you are going to mess up. no if, ands or buts about it, but how do you recover from the mistake that you made?

How do you find a way to clear your damn brain and say, all right, you know what, I can still make something good out of it. You know, I mean,

I think Walter Hagan was like, what? All it takes, you know, three bad shots can be erased with one good shot. I mean, that's honest.

I mean, you still have a chance in golf, as long as you're, well, Frankie, you understand this, as long as you're on

the proper side of par. Someone else is probably, you know, he's other like, oh, this is for triple. Yeah, where you get to, you get to monitor it by yourself, right?

I mean, if you're not trying to be a professional, then who cares? But it's a chance for you to test yourself. Hey, can I make the ball go right? Can I make the ball go left? Can I get it to hit and check? Can I hit the ball further? Can I work on all these different things I need to work on? And you can apply that to life in any way, shape, or form.

I mean, you guys with the podcast, it didn't start out easy. It was a tough road to get it going. You had to really grind and put the work in. Okay, golf makes that easier for you. Because in golf, there's times where you just got to grind that shit out. It's not easy. And I mean, I think it really helps people become better human beings as a whole. I think that's what golf does.

Yeah, no, definitely. And I, you know, I think for all of us, right, like when we first started, when I first started playing golf after school or after school, like in high school college type age, you know, you get into it thinking, oh, I'm just going to be, I'm just going to be the best of this. It's just you've got to hit the ball straight. It can't be that crazy. You demand so much out of yourself, and you can be one of those frustrated crazy.

And then I think over time you learn that golf is much more about so many different things and more important things than just hitting a golf ball where you're trying to hit it. And spending, like you just said, spending four and a half, five hours with somebody on a golf course, you're going to expose everything about yourself, the good, the bad. How do you handle a really good? shot. Are you a boisterous asshole right in people's face? Are you humble? How do you handle a horrible shot? Are you an explosive psychopath? Can you laugh it off, right? And like all of those things over four and a half hours, you learn a lot about. And then being around, you know, other people,

you learn that everyone's different. Everyone handles things differently. The interactions, when to kind of lay off somebody, when it's cool to chirp somebody, how they might handle. Like all of those things are learned on a golf course. And I think it's much cool. And the waste management just kind of showcase some with this too where like there are so many um positives to the game of golf that have been overshadowed i think for a long time by the traditional stuffiness of it and the barriers to entry of it um that i i just i feel like the more people that get to know the game and have a real consistent relationship with the game of golf i think it'll help their lives and make them sort of better people and understand what's important and what's that time out there with friends

you know is really what you should cherish and I think that again the more people that kind of learn a lot about what the game of golf has to offer I think it'll only make people's lives better I like that you brought the waste management I'm very glad that we got on that topic the funny thing about it for me is it's a real late back chill super casual party it's not a golf tournament there's a party going on. There happens to be some guys playing golf during the midst of this party and shenanigans that are going on. But I know this with the two hole and ones that happened this week, this week, both of those were gracing guys, by the way, one time for the Wolfpack. But it was amazing to me to watch how the fans in the stands erupted, totally trashed the hole and how it was seen as legendary,

awesome, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But I flipped that and say, okay, well, if it were black people doing that, it would be thugs and hooligans and things of that nature. It would have had a completely different tone. And there is the problem that we face in this world. It's stuff like that. I mean, like the double standard is just so real.

You know, I saw there was a coach that just got, hammered on for wearing some pink leggings the other day. Her outfit was, you know, oh, her outfit was inappropriate, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. She's standing there fully clothed, but, oh, we didn't like the fact that she had on these pink leggings in high heels coaching these ladies. But then on the contrary, you have some people totally, I mean, what was the stop time between the groups after the whole and one for them to clean up everything? Yeah, it had to be at least a 10, 15 minute delay at least.

right and so you know you're looking at that and I'm like man that is you know and there's things like that I mean it doesn't the issue that I have with it is the double standard I don't have an issue with people celebrating and throwing the stuff and all that if that's if that's acceptable it just needs to be acceptable on both sides of the ball that's the part that gets me and that's that's a that's a real life conversation you know what I mean I mean it was it was really great for Instagram that was a cool thing because people were shooting videos in the middle of beer and cups raining down all over the damn place.

It was like, all right. You're in this. You know, and then you see the volunteers run off like ants. Like, yep, here it comes again. I don't want to be. But there has to be some sense of, I hate the word, but fairness. And that's where I run into some issues with it. Yeah, I think overall, you know, to me, the waste management, what we saw this last weekend is a sign that,

things are trending in a better direction for golf because I just think golf is not perfect clearly, but I think more accepting than it's ever been, you know, of ushering in new era, new types of personalities, new ways that people enjoy the game of golf, more diversity. Like I think that for me that sign was like, okay, golf has now, you know, instead of being, you know, instead of being so uptight and things have to be this way. And we only allow this and we only include that. You know, now it's much more. Yeah, there is going to be a 10 or 15 minute delay.

But guess what? Those clips are going all over the internet. They're going viral like you just said on Instagram. And people are seeing in terms of, you know, grow the game and grow the game, not just for, you know, the traditional like privilege. Right person's always been up to play. But people are seeing, right, that you can have fun. You don't have to be buttoned up and proper and feel like you're walking on eggshells.

Like, it's fun. Those were just people around the game that were having a shitload of fun. And I think that for other people outside of the game of golf to witness that, no matter who they are, where they are to be, you know, you couldn't miss those clips. They're all over the place to see like, oh, shit, people are having a great time playing this game. The professionals, to the fans, to the volunteers were laughing. Like, everybody was having a good time. And I think that's just great for all sides of golf overall.

Well, I think the first things first is, you have to look back at the history. the game, right? The history of game was created for kings, queens, and nobles. So the commoners were never allowed to play the game. And when you look at any type of royalty, there is a way how everything's done in a very quote unquote sophisticated, but very rehearsed manner. You know, there's nothing that is impromptu technically. And so when you look at that, the game tried to hold that for a very long time. But one of the things that made me so, I guess, newsworthy, was I understood that I was an entertainer. People, if we didn't have fans, if we didn't have people watching Long Drive, Long Drive wasn't

going to exist. No way fans are buts about it, which is where you see that right now as we're talking, right? You had to give something for people to tune into. You had it, and if you did that, then you had sponsors because sponsors had an audience that they feel like they could sell to. And the same thing happens in the traditional game. You know, that hole allows the players to go out and throw swag bags out. Bubba's probably one of the best swag bag throwers ever. You know what I mean? He comes with, he comes deck down with it.

And the sponsors, even if you look at the last few years, the progression of how sponsors are like, okay, we're going to give our players stuff just to throw out there. We're going to do giveaways and we're going to do all this other stuff because we're trying to engage with the people. people and that's what changes this whole thing. There's no reason to be stuffy. It's, you know, people work nine to five or traditional jobs, whatever the hell they're working from day to day. They want to turn on the damn TV and let their hair down and have a great time. They want to see, they don't want to see a guy, you know, rolling a 50 footer and be like, yeah, I'm too cool. Yeah, yeah, you know, we do this all the time. Yeah, it's happening. The traditional golf thing. They want to see what they saw the last two,

two weeks. You know, they want to see Harold running around and his caddy jumping up on them. they want to see the guys go out there and get a hole and run and jump all over the place, run in the stands and chug a beer with somebody. That's what they want to see because they're like, hey, I can relate. That is exactly what I would do if I did that. You know, when I hit a ball 400 yards, I wasn't out there like, yeah, you know what's up. You know, no, hell no. I'm running and I'm screaming and I'm yelling because that's what, I mean, I'm sorry,

you would never know what this feels like. No. You would, we're closer with that one. He hit like one, like 315. He can't, he couldn't chip a ball. On average, I'm probably 30 to 40 yards further than him. I don't think it's 30 to 40. He looks like a very small man.

I'd say he average is 241, 235, man. You're making that out. That's just not true. Now he's just lying. Frankie's lying. He looks very small. Like a little guy. Like a five guy.

I mean, now he's just being mean. Actually, I look pretty large in filling out this frame. Well, I mean, you've got it so tight on you. I mean, yeah, I look large if I do this. but it's about angles where I mean it's entertainment baby is that the youth large jacket you yeah youth large he's showing the new peter malar kids section but they're really spearheading they're really spearheading 2022 in the kids fit i love it man fat boy i bet so that's a large short so the jacket jacket has been short so it doesn't look like a like a like a sundress my favorite podcast ever

it's a good yeah but i mean but that's what it's all about man people just need to have fun like life is so as it is on a day-to-day, like, it's like if you look at comedy, right? Like, that's what makes comedy so amazing is because everybody laughs. Everybody lets their hair down. They're not holding on to the bullshit. It's like, hey, I'm laughing, you're laughing. You know what? We can find that we have a whole hell of a lot more in common than we have a part.

And that's what happens when people start to laugh. When people have a good time, like you said, four hours, five hours on a course with somebody, you'll start to see that y'all probably have more in common than you ever thought. And that's the whole beauty of this game, man. Yeah. I totally agree too with the way Riggs is explaining to, like the way you pictured the, how 16 is really allowing us to be able to see golf in a different way. I do think that there is no better time for the Maurice Allen's of the world to be like, I mean, you want to spearhead this. You want to be the voice.

You have an amazing voice for your community. And like now is the best time for us to be able to watch your content, see the stuff that you're trying to. you know, kind of show us that we don't see on a day-to-day basis. You're showing another side of golf that us three idiots don't ever see. I don't have to ever deal with any of that stuff. And it is really, you know, it's eye-opening and, you know, it makes us feel like we want to do something. So, you know, I just want to say I appreciate all the stuff that you're doing because that's

not the easiest thing to be able to spearhead something as, as, you know, it's dramatic stuff, man. It's really, it's really empowering. and makes me feel like we all got to go out and do a little bit more because it's just not enough right now the way you're saying it you know there should be more influences there should be more golf there there should be more um you know youtube videos with black golfers showing the what you know just four hours of black golfers just fucking shooting the shit and playing like we don't see that ever you see a million

white guys just going out and fucking shooting the shit and playing it's just is what it is I mean how many you know what I mean it's it's it's pretty fucking pretty evident man it's like you just go on YouTube golf content and It's not there. So, I mean, for you, I just, yeah, I commend what you're doing. And I think it's awesome. And I also want, I just, I want to watch you play a lot more golf. And I want to see how I can stack up against you in driving.

So we need to make that happen. We can set that up. I mean, now, if you're going to stack up with me and driving, first things, first thing, you got to get in the weight run. I don't know what the weight room regimen looks like. I mean, I know you, you got a chance because I'm coming off in here. But I'll be honest with you, though, man. I've had more good experiences than bad.

You know, I'm not one of those people out here like, oh, I hate all white people. Otherwise, this would be a really interesting interview. But really hate us. We're super. Well, no, I'll give you the craziest. Be a hell of an interview. Actually, we would make some serious ways you came on. Craziest thing ever, man.

There's this lady that I called my second mom. You know, when I was in Tallahassee, she was always there. She always made sure, you know, her and my parents have a great relationship. She's like, I'm going to make sure he's good. And, you know, and it was cool. I remember her daughter, Hillary, came to one of my tournaments, and it was hilarious. She was like, hey, I'm looking for my brother. And everybody was like, okay, who's your brother?

She was like, oh, his name's Maurice. We only have one Maurice here. She's like, oh, okay, cool, where is he? That's your brother? She's like, yeah. She's like, Maurice Allen? Yeah. Well, he's black.

Really? That must have just happened this. Like, she played it like, to the tee is absolutely hilarious. I mean, honestly, man, I've had more good than bad. It's like anything else, man. The assholes are 1% at best, maybe two, but they are the loudest people in the room every time that they go somewhere. It's just, I mean, you've been to, you see it at Scramble tournaments all the time. You know, the rest of the group is chill, but there's like three dudes and they're always just, they're on 1,000.

Everybody else is it like a 10, 12 maybe, but these dudes are just over the top. And I think that's the thing that makes it. I don't, I don't harp on all the negative stuff. I don't act like the negatives don't exist, but I don't, I don't act like they're more than they are. I mean, when I, I know when I go places, obviously, as a world champ, is completely different than some guy who's just playing golf, and I get that. But I also believe that it's not every time you're turning around.

It's not every course you're going to. It's not every time you tee it up and you put it in the ground. Somebody's like, hey, you, that ain't happened. But I think that there just needs to be more equality in how we market because all jokes aside, all bullshit aside, to be honest with you, if you look at it and it's not stereotypically, it's just real life stuff. Minorities are the biggest consumers on the planet, hands down. If you look at it, money in, money out, it's just the way it is. No one has ever marketed to the minority consumer in golf. whoever decides to do this shit is going to be a millionaire

for anyone in golf who's listening to this podcast. It would be amazing if someone decided to do that. If someone made black people the face of your brand, if a ball company put a black face as the face of your ball or one of the faces, your clubs, whatever, if you start putting black people in your stuff, you know, black people would actually start supporting you a lot more. maybe I don't know just a way of making money I don't know I don't know I don't know

it's a great point dude I mean it's just stuff we don't think about man like Monday through Friday goes along we do a podcast about golf we talk about it and then we just go on our day and then all of a sudden like you look back and you're like well we did like there was nothing that you're talking about that happened in our week right and now of a sudden we have you come on to our show and and really just open our eyes to it not not to the sense where like we were ignoring it but it's just something that's not in the present day of golf right Like, it's just not in our face. It's not on billboards.

It's not, you know, brands aren't attaching themselves to that like they should. And it's just as clear as day, like what you're saying. Like, it just needs to be fixed. It needs to be better on all accounts. Has to be better. Yeah, but I think it's a two-sided thing, man. I don't, the only way you argue is if two people or two parties are arguing, right? Other than that, you've got to be mentally unstable.

So there's always a, a responsibility. on both sides, you know, and that's just the way I look at things. I don't, it can't always, it can't always be one-sided. One-sided can't be everything. And too many times in life, we use the words, all. I'm a scientist. It's a very bad word. All is, is terrible. I never use it all. Sometimes, most times, you can use those, but all is bad. And sometimes, actually a lot of times the people who are trying to help are the first ones to get shot. You know, there's a lot of great white people out there. Like, as my coach says all the time, as my, as my coach says all the time, if it weren't for a few good white people, we'd all still be in chains. And that's the

realest statement I've ever heard in my life because we couldn't have freed ourselves. And that's real. There were people and there are people still to this day who want to help, who genuinely want to help. And you can't lump the good with. the bad. You can't throw the baby out with the bad one. You just can't do it. It just, it doesn't work that way. And I think when you have these conversations, like you said, there's nothing wrong with it, not being on your radar every day, every day when you are doing what you do. That it's just not a part of your reality. It's like me telling you, it's raining in Korea. You're like, okay, but I don't live in Korea. Why does that, that doesn't affect me. I mean, is it bad that it's

reigning in career right now? Is it not bad? I don't have enough information with what you're telling me. And that's really what it is. And that's why I say the representation matters. It's just, you know, they need to hire people. They need to have people who are sitting in the rooms that, hey, we're not checking boxes, but we need to make sure that we're also, you know, marketing to this community. And if you want to look at it just in numbers, hey, we'll make more sales here. Oh, okay. We're not getting in this community. And we got zero sales here. So, hey, it's an untapped entity over here. You might want to get a little bit of that.

Oh, 100%. I, you know, I'd be, like I said, first of all, it's really, is very important for us to get your perspective, especially on our show, because every show for 100 shows of the year, it's just us for middle class white guys that are pretty much

the, just the standard on our YouTube. That's what we post. That's what we cover a lot of times. So getting this perspective is incredibly important. I think it would be fantastic if we, positioned ourselves with you as all the sudden foreplay has got like a line of golf apparel that is appealing to the black golf community. If we're rolling out like videos, like we should, we got to figure something out. You're right. Because if we could amplify that and work, you know, with you, whether it's YouTube videos, wherever the hell we could possibly do to help to just put

this more on the forefront of the entire golf community. I think it would do, you know, It would do wonders for countless people. And like Frankie said, it's, it is eye-opening when, you know, you roll a lot of things out from your perspective, which is completely different than ours. It makes a ton of sense. And it makes you be like, oh, how the hell come things aren't getting covered the way that they should or amplified the way they should. And it makes me, you know, A, be like, oh, yeah, we're fucking idiots.

We should have been covering that. And B, it makes me think like, okay, we should, you know, we should figure out how to help people can go to your foundation. I believe MA360Foundation.org. That's the website, right? Yeah, that and grow the game.golf. Grow the game. Dot some stuff up.

Let's get out there and create some stuff. Maybe you teach me how to hit the long ball so everybody can stop fucking making front of me saying I look small on Zoom and that Frankie hits the ball like 100 yards farther than I do. Frankie, baby gap's throwing a fit over here. he oh no hold on wait you're abercrombie no fitch just abercrombie that's the key shit god damn fucking killing you he's fucking no but i honestly think man play i'll be honest with you i played this thing called the sunshine open at mayfair in sanford i think there were 90 players it was the trippiest thing ever

30 of them were black it was the dopest shit in the world to me i was like wow and it wasn't an APGA event or anything. I was like, whoa. And so there's a renaissance in black golf that's taking place right now, man. And if you guys want to be a part of it, do some player profiling or just, you know, when people are playing well, talk about them, man, that would mean the world to me. But Frankie, I'm actually not a voice at all. Roger Steele is definitely a much better voice than I am. Roger is like no other. He, he is very, um, strategic and thoughtful. I'm not. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm like a bull in the China shop. So I think you're selling yourself short. You're selling yourself short. You are one fucking speaker, man. But, you know,

well, I'm not saying he's not, but I'm saying that you're also incredible. He's, he's better than I am. It's okay. It's, it's all right. It's kind of like, you know, someone not saying that you're better than they are hitting the ball off the team. Okay. I like, you're constantly trying to I get it now. Sometimes you got to accept where you are in like. It's okay. This guy, and she takes 100 miles here on the... Frankie, it's a little farther than I do. I'll beat them.

But you score better. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Way better. Let's not be ridiculous here. Wait better. See, there you go. See, everybody's got something.

Everybody's got their leg. But I want to be able to hit the long ball. Everybody's trying to hit the long ball. Why, if you're scoring good? Stop. I don't hit it very far. That's a good point. It's ego.

It's all about your ego. Okay. There's no reason. Or what you're acting like, we all walk through life without a little bit of an ego. Of course, we have an ego. That's just our self, our belief in our self, our self worth. Okay. I'll ask you one simple question.

There was a famous playoff that just took place a couple months ago. Patrick Cantley and Bryson D. Shampo, who took home the bigger check? Hmm. I'll wait. Can't way. I get it. I'm not, you're almost arguing against yourself here because you're one of the, you're the world long draft champion. But I'm not saying, I'm not saying it's the one thing I want to be able to do in the world to hit the ball far. I just want to be able to hit it farther. I would like to be able to hit the ball pretty far.

I think they'll be really fun. Yeah, but then you'll lose some stuff as well. That's the harsh reality. When you start to gain distance, very few people gain distance and keep everything intact. It's a very tough thing to do. And most people who do it fail miserably. They lose their touch. They lose their accuracy.

And the things that make them so great in the scoring portion of the game, which is what the game is all about. Now, if you want to go put on some pounds and let's say, let's go do some amateur long draft stuff, I'll coach you. But if you're telling me you want to play good golf, let's stick with what you got. Maybe you'll do some equipment changes, but let's not try to hear that further. Let's see, we can find some equipment that allows you to do it. You brought an interesting. Found some great equipment.

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Okay. Dead wrong on that one. Fair. But how? How does he not? How does he not bring more eyeballs to it? There's a beautiful thing called YouTube that you spoke about earlier. And all you got to do is look at the views.

The views actually were not any greater when he competed. Still to this day, the most views in Long Drive are me when I, when I went in 18, literally quadruple anything they've ever had. Why do you think that is? Why do you think that is? Because you're rating. It's honestly, as dumb as it sounds, it's because I'm black and it's like a unicorn. Everybody was like, holy shit, who's this black dude?

I mean, trust me, don't get me wrong. It sometimes works in your benefit. I swear to God, if I was a white dude who did the Rick Flair, no one would have given a shit, my man. Real talk. I mean, how many hockey teams and baseball teams, When you go down and you do Rick Flair, it doesn't, no one cares. Everybody's like, yeah, whatever then.

All right. Black dude does it on a golf event. Oh, my. It turns into a viral thing, right? And so there are times when it is in your favor, very far and few in between, but it's one of those things. With Bryson, I think what he brings to the table, which no one is talking about, is the potential for true corporate sponsor.

sponsorship, which is what the sport needs more than anything. The eyeballs, you know, you got the stiff necks in golf that they were, remember, they were pubbing them during the Ryder Cup and during the playoffs. The people who are watching that are the stiff ones in golf. It's not the waste management crowd, okay? And that's just being 100% honest with you. The people who are interested in Long Drive are the same people who are on the 16th hole at waste management. it's not your people who are watching the majors. It's just not. It's the people who want to go out, crack a beer, have a great time, and just chill out.

And so that part, I think he's doing an amazing job from bringing corporate sponsorship to the table. I wouldn't be shocked if Rocket and all these other people get into it. Obviously, Puma came out with a low-loft at club, which they'll probably put on the long drive market. As far as how long drivers look at him, I don't know because I wasn't competing during that event. I know Bryson personally outside of that. And we've known each other for about four or five years now. And so my relationship with him is different. It's not, you know, long drive Bryson or it's just, you know, it's different. I think that from that standpoint, did he compete well? Yeah, he competed very, very well. The other part of it was,

unfortunately, a lot of the people, I don't think that that was actually a world championship event because the field wasn't a world championship field. There were a lot of people who just couldn't get there because of restrictions. They called it a world championship, but it wasn't. Where there's still a lot of great players there? Yes, but was it as stacked as it could be or normally would be? Not even close. But it also gave rise for a new breed of golf or a new breed of lawn driver, people that no one had ever heard of, guys who now found inspiration to go out there and do this.

And they obviously had a good performance at that event. And so now they're riding the wave of that. But I think Bryson, the thing that Bryson brings to the table, are they intangibles, honestly? I mean, that weren't there before that could give it the ability to move. forward and stick around for a long time, which I hope it does. You're not crazy about Bryson.

That's okay. That's fine. No, no. I don't crazy about Bryson. I don't have, I like Bryson. I have zero problems with Bryson. The difference is I just don't subscribe to the foolishness of, oh, well, he brought more eyes. Because if he did, they would have put it on TV and it would have been on YouTube because they announced it a month before.

Someone would have found a way for it to be on TV. if he really moved the needle like that. I mean, I'll agree with you on that. Maybe the views for sure you can, that's just as plain as day. It's just one view versus one view.

The thing that I would say is that someone, a top 10 player on the planet on the PGA tour, actively trying to hit the ball as far as possible and trying to become a long drive competitor is definitely making the conversation more about long drive than it ever has been in just golf. community. Can we agree on that? Yeah, no, no, hands down. I agree with that. And my whole thing was, it didn't transfer the views. Right. So if you look at it, right, when I won in 18, it was not on

anything. It wasn't every week on CBS or NBC or talking about it on the golf channel a million times a day through the same shows because they don't have any content and so forth and all this other stuff, right? And it wasn't that. It was everywhere you turned and every golf magazine and every golf blog and in all these other things in this sport where there's however many million people playing it and it went with still less than I think 700,000 views at this point. Does that mean that he didn't perform well? Hell no. Does that mean it's not crazy, ridiculous what he did and put his body through and that I would say two year process of when he really decided to start hitting the ball further? Oh no, you can't take that away from the

man. It is absolutely nuts. What him and his coach and his whole team put together, oh, hands down, absolutely crazy. But did it translate from the effort to the production as far as on the other side? And the answer was unfortunately, no. And I think when they figure out why it was a no, then they've got gold. Because they need to figure out how do they find a way to make this sport something so much greater? How can they find that niche group of super fans like you see with WWE or with any other sport?

I mean, hell, pornhole has a crazy following. And so there's, well, World Series of Popper. That's another thing. And, you know, Long Drive has to find whatever that fan base is, which therefore will allow them to continue on and get these corporate sponsorships. I want to see the sport make it. I really do. It's fun. It's exciting.

But then when you look at it, there was never. ever a major OEM, even Hell Calaway had Kings of Distance, but you never saw anything that they did in major publications. They never used any of their lawn drivers in their marketing, not Stolowski, not I can go down the list of people, not Joe Miller and do, do, do, do, do to keep going down. They never use these guys. No one knows what. Hmm. I guess the non-conforming stuff, it just doesn't, right?

No, it's actually governed by the USDA. If it's not legal on the PJ tour, we couldn't use it. What about the length? Do you guys use anything longer? If it's not legal on the PGA tour, we can't use it. See, that's something that, like, we need someone telling everyone that because I always assumed. Well, but they did.

They did on Golf Channel. They constantly pumped that out. The problem was in the early 90s, they had this dumbass rule that if you can swing it, you can bring it. And that's when, like, when Carl Walter won his first championship, I think the Joker had like a 60-inch driver. So it was just dumb.

I don't even know how the hell you'd swing that shit. Like you'd have to wait so long for that ball, for the club to get back to the ball. It's like, roh. I ain't got time to do all that. Shut up, fall. No one cares. So the driver you used in 2017 could be used tomorrow on a PGA tour event. Yep.

Wow. Lymphs and head had to be conforming. Everything. There was nothing about the clubs since I've been in the sport of loan drive. that were illegal. Nothing. So that's crazy that the companies

aren't advertising that because if you watch a guy hit it 515 yards, why would you not advertise his exact specs and all the stuff that he's using in that and try and sell that to people because he just hit the ball

550 yards. That's fucking crazy. Now the weird thing about it is there was a rule that no one knew about. So in the rules of the USGA, a club is only deemed illegal win. I'm not the rules guy.

Not conforming. Non-conforming. So a club, you know how we always talk about drivers getting hot. The C-O-R gets raised on them. They cannot test a club when it is in play, in competition. Once you buy that club, it's yours. You can play with it. No one is testing, you know, Brooks or Rory, any of these guys.

No one's testing their drivers. Our drivers were tested in between rounds at World Championships, and they could pull your club at any single. point in the tournament and take it away from you. It's fucking nuts. You hit the ball that far with a conformant club. That is fucking, I figured you had like some wippy fucking long,

70 inch shaft and you're just flying these. Wow, that's nuts. All my clubs were 46, actually. I was 46 before 46 became a thing. Well, I'm only 5-8, bro. I'm not 6-5. Every loan driver out there's like 6-5-6-2. I'm 5.8 on a very good thing.

Interesting. Oh, you want to start with that, don't you big? I'm just going to sit here and let you just fucking fire missiles out. I thought you. I tried to slide it in there real smooth and they get to the next topic. You're off the trouble with these sat back. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, yeah, more than five by, but.

When I saw that zipper all the way down at your neighbor, that's when I knew I was in trouble. Oh, man. Yeah, that is something they should highlight because, yeah, the conception out there is that, you know, you're using Mickey Mouse drivers to hit it, you know, 450 yards, which, would be impressive in and of itself. But yeah, just the fact you're using the same, you know, legally binding driver that I'm using, and I'm flying at 250 and you're flying at 450.

That's, I mean, that's amazing. It's awesome. Think about that. The only difference, honestly, would be the loss. The loss are the difference, right? So our loss are low. I think, I mean, my driver in 2018 was anywhere from a one degree to a 2.75.

That's what I used. What? So, so, so how do you're just, so how do, can, can you explain it like we're five years old? You're hitting it as, you're hitting like up on it as high as you possibly can. Eight up in, eight out eight in. So I'd hit up eight degrees. Yeah. Fuck me.

Right. The average, I mean, especially back in the day, you know, before before sort of the, the, um, the metal woods and all that when, you know, when they, they, they used to hit down on it. Tiger, even Tiger in late 90s, it was like hitting down on the golf ball with his driver, hitting down a degree or so. Well, but remember, that's the ball. The ball you needed to spin. Right. So the ballada balls weren't spinning like that.

So you had to keep them in the air. Right. And that was a big part of it. Now with the, you know, that's why they're talking about consistently rolling back the ball. Backspin is not your friend. Right. When you're trying to hit it far. Backspin is your loving friend on an approach shot.

but you can't have backspin. I mean, you've got to be under 2K for the most part. So, Frankie, think about that. Like, we were, you know, before we were really trying to focus on hitting up on it, right? We were probably a couple degrees down, and we're hitting a 10 degree difference, really, from how he's hitting it to how we're hitting it on our strike on the ball. When you're out playing with your buddies and you're just playing a regular round of golf, are you just launching golf balls off the tee?

Or do you play a more consistent, contained game? Yeah, so now I really am focusing on score. So I used to not care score. I go out like if the four of us were playing, it'd just be like, oh, man, we're just going to have a great time. No one cares. And where the ball goes, where it goes. Now I'm really trying to get myself mentally focused on, okay,

when I hit the ball, it needs to have purpose. I can't go out here and just lose four golf balls and around. It's just not good for where I'm trying to go because that'll creep back into me when I'm actually in the tournament where it counts. So, but yeah, I mean, I honestly hit a lot of two iron. I mean, I hit a two iron about 285, almost three bills. So I don't really need a driver.

The courses that I play are pretty tight. So they don't. Now, if I go to my dad's course, he's got this course where's blood naked wide open. Like, you can't lose a golf ball out there. It is legitimately impossible. So I go out there, I'll whale driver all day long just to mess with him. And they'll give me wedges. But yeah, no, most times in tournament, man.

That's funny. It's funny to think about it because even if you, I mean, if you play like a 450-yard par four and you just hit your two iron, 285 to 300, I mean, you're going to have like a pitching wedge or nine iron into that green. Like that's, that's a long par four too. Why would you, why would you need drivers? Yeah, that's what I mean. He's not going to need.

You go two iron gap wedge on a long bar four. Yeah. And so that's the thing. that I keep trying to, you know, the thing that people have to understand is if you're along with the driver, traditionally, you're longer with everything. So, you know, for me, I'll hit a pitching wage about 175. So there's, there's no need, but I can flight the ball down. I mean, there's, there's a lot of different shots that I have now. I didn't have them before. But if you're along with the driver, you're along with everything. So if you can check your ego at the door

and pull the driver out only one, now there's some days, I mean, everyone knows, there's some days where you just can't miss. And then, yeah, you just start pulling that boy out and you just go to town. But you learn to play with the game that you've got that day. You know what I mean? Like you don't try to force it. You don't let your ego take over. I'm like, oh, I got to hit the driver.

No, you don't. I mean, sometimes I'll hit an iron on a part five. Right. And it's just like, I'm here for a score. Like, no one cares if I hit a 450-yard drive and shot 12 over. That's not going to help me in this whole realm that I'm trying to go. It's all about can I get to 66? Can I get to 62?

dude. 205, dead middle of the fairway, no win, no elevation change. What club are you taking? 205. Am I in Florida or am I in Georgia? Eight or seven, depending on what state I'm in. I wanted you to say like an eight iron. That's exactly what I was trying to get out of.

Eight iron. Traditionally, it's eight iron for Georgia, because Atlanta has a little bit more elevation. Florida, you're in the armpit of the world. So nothing really flies far here. I used to be like a P-Yird for. four iron for me. Yep. We're absolutely launching four irons, being like this has to

be the greatest shot of my life. You could send me workouts. That doesn't mean I'm going to do them. Oh, we'll see. Then, hey, Frankie, you'll be the longest person in this group. No way. You haven't seen me a person yet. It doesn't matter. I'm just telling him what he needs to do to catch you. I'm not saying you have to do anything different than what you're already doing.

No, my body's bad, dude. I went for a lesson the other day and the guy's like, first thing we got to do is I get you some leg bands. Like, you got to start strengthening those things. I mean, it's just a little bit of skin around my femur. It's nuts. It's just there's nothing there. That's all right. All right, Maurice, we got to do something. We got to set it up. We got to get out there and play. I want to see you hit the ball 500 yards. Let's do it. Let's set up something, man. Let's do some player highlights, man. I'd love to do that with you guys. There's a lot of

amazing players that we could do some highlights on, get them on, talk to them. Just make it, you know, I hate for it to just be a black history theme because there's people playing all. your mom there's some really amazing players out there um my first person i'd say is bring maria stack house on there just just let her talk let people know about her she's she's just an amazing human being she really is i i love her to death i really do let's do it we'll do it imagine playing this guy and fucking his buddies in a in a scramble we'd get absolutely fucking crazy yo i forgot to tell you guys so we are doing the thing in Atlanta the 20th in the 20th in the 20th 21st, myself, Steve Monroe, Chris Hall, and Josh Jackson.

We're playing like this match between like 36 holes of golf. I'll send you guys the details. Yeah. You want to come for that. That'll be pretty interesting. Hell yeah. Let's set something up. We'll do a match.

We'll do some long drive stuff. And let's keep this going. Let's not let this just stop here, like you said, because it's Black History Month. I'm glad that we're able to get you on. I'm glad we're able to highlight a lot of these things. a whole different perspective for us, for our audience. And you're just the man. So we appreciate it.

Even though you're fucking making fun of me the whole time, you're good dude. You got a great vibe about you. I think you're a way better voice than you think that you are. So let's follow up. Let's keep this train rolling. Hey, man. I appreciate you guys for being open, man. I got my amen corner, my post signer, Trent down there.

He's just giving me the thumbs up when I hit you. He's just like, I mean, I know, yeah. Yeah, he loves it. I love it. I mean, you know, he was giving it to you the whole time. It was just the best entertainment we could have. Yes, the peanut gallery out there. It's just giving it the old thumbs up the whole time.

Hey, man. That's my guy, man. Everybody's got to have a hype man, baby. Trent's my height, man. That's right. That's right. Go check it out, okay. M8360Foundation.org.

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We're going to keep this rolling, like I said. And we really do appreciate the time and the perspective. Hey, thank you guys so much, man. We'll do it again soon. Thanks, ma'am. Thanks, man. Appreciate it. See you.