Fore Play - Entourage of Magic with Doug Ellin and Kevin Dillon

Episode Date: August 25, 2020

Doug Ellin (creator) and Kevin Dillon (Johnny Drama) (56:44) from Entourage join the show. We get tales of Kevin snapping Tom Brady’s driver, Doug’s first-ever golf round playing with Wayne Gretzky, how Kevin recruited Phil Mickelson for a cameo on the show, and much more. In Headlines, DJ shot 30-under and won by 11, a magician rocked the Barstool Classic, we have our own golfing society on PGA TOUR 2k21, Kiz finished T4, and a massive underdog won the women’s British Open!You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

Hey, 4Play listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcast, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. We got the whole crew. We got Trent, Frankie, Lurch, myself. Most of us were together today. Lurch was slinging drones. We got Jake Bass, eBug, behind the scenes, doing all the production, doing all the hard work in the trenches. EBugs deep on the travel show, Australia.

Frankie's helping him out. Beethoven's scoring his own fucking. music. So there's a lot that goes into this production. I like to make that clear. A lot's happened since the last time we did a show, which that's not always the case, because usually all the things that happen since the last time we did a show are professional golf related and definitely some things have happened. A lot has happened. I feel like that's not necessarily professional golf related. PGA Tour 2K21 has launched. It's been up. It's been down. there's been societies.

We've gained like eight, what is it? 16, 18,000 people are in our fucking society. At the time this podcast comes out, we will have had 20,000 people in the Barcelona Gals society. That is such a surprising number. It took us years to get to 20,000 people on YouTube that subscribed. That's free. This game is sick.

This game, this game you have to pay money for. It's a $60 game that, you know, need 20,000 people to buy the game, download it, look on Twitter. You know how many, like when you're building a business plan, you're like, how can we make it as easy as possible for people that have our product? This is the most impossible thing to find, right? You have to go seven pages deep within a $60 video game. And then you find this little crevice of this world that we've created.

And there's 20,000 people in there. And that's just PlayStation Xbox. We have been avoiding the PC people, which arguably have a, have a bigger crowd on this game than both those combined. And the society didn't exist 72 hours ago. It just started. I have no idea what I'm doing with it. Right.

And I was going to say the incredible byproduct and side effect of that is now Frankie is in charge of this society with like 20,000 people. And he has no idea what he's doing. And it's just spiraling. You're running massive events by dropping your controller. It's just been phrasing two or three days, I feel like. So for everyone that has no idea what the fuck we're talking about, PGA 2K21 came out. And they took over the golf club 2019 and the golf clubs before that,

the golf club one and two. It's a great video game. What the best part of the game is that you're able to build your own golf course. Shout out to everyone that played Knives Creek. I think it's the most played golf course that's made on it, aside from the official golf courses. When you go to the featured course, it's just right there,

Knives Creek's number one. It's crazy how many people played it. Love how many people are taking fucking videos of it. It's nuts. It's all I'm hearing. It went from like one bite to like,

oh, four play, and now it's legitimately. I mean, we were on a golf course today, but every person's like fucking Knives Creek, man. What an oasis. It was crazy today at Cherry Valley. But so within that, they have these online societies,

their leagues. And I got to give out shout out to these guys. They're called them. TGC Tours. It's a really cool website. These guys have built, like, that you can become a pro. You can go through Q school. They have a fucking leaderboard.

They have a FedEx Cup champion. They have a money list. It's nuts. But they're very, like, tight-knit community of people. So I'm like, all right, we'll make our own society thinking, whatever. I remember texting Jake being like, bro, we already have 100 people in our society two days ago. Now we've got fucking 20,000. It's nuts.

But you can create all these tournaments and you can give out coins. And we're sending up Barstool Golf Towers of the people that have won the first. two tournaments. One of the guys is in England. I messaged our, I message our fucking people. I'm like, do we ship to England? And they're like, oh, like, we may be able to get it out there. I'm like, I don't know what the fuck's going. I'm sorry. I created a fake event. The first event that went off,

there's all these settings. And we'll, I got to talk about the settings. There's all these settings that happen. And we got to talk about the golf. Fucking Dustin Johnson is the fucking maybe the best golfer of all time. We got the most. Dustin Johnson is the most wins. I think, I got to look it up.

It's maybe since 2009 on the PG-H tour. I mean, more than Tiger Woods. It's absolutely, he has, Dustin Johnson dominates the game of golf without winning that many majors, but he absolutely dominates the game of golf when he's playing well. Yes. And he, you know, we do this thing all the time where we talk about who's a game is the best, whose a game is the best. It's his. And his stats are, like, he has in the last five seasons, he's got wins of like 11 strokes, nine strokes, eight strokes, five strokes. Just like when he wins, he destroys people. So you're right. We have a tons of. talk about we've had two barstool classics since the last time we did a show we've had tiger woods

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People love it. The reviews are phenomenal. We also have on this show, Doug Ellen and Kevin Dillon from Entourage. We're all huge entourage guys. Entourage was the most living vicariously through a show production, maybe in the history of Hollywood, of movies, of TV shows, of anything. And we got these guys, and they were so fucking cool. The beginning of the show, your boy, your Islander fucking crew is yelling from the back.

of the room once go he's waving hockey sticks i mean Kevin Connolly oh Kevin Connolly E from entourage is in the background they all work together they're all on the same show um well it's a background it's a background look and um you know behind the scenes look kind of like brian bomb gunner does with um an oral history of the office where it's like he's giving you a look into like your favorite show um victory the podcast is uh look into entourage and they're going to go through all the crazy stories. They talk about how it got started and how it almost didn't make it to air. And it's just really hard to get that kind of script approved a lot of shit.

Really cool, really interesting stuff. And of course, Kevin Connolly being in the background, it's such a, I put it up on an Instagram story. I was going crazy with the Islanders. And everyone's,

like, respond to me like, what a fake life moment that is at ease in the background, being like, let's fucking go. Like, because it's awesome. It's fucking Kevin Connolly.

He's like the famous Islander guy on the show that everyone likes. So it's really cool. And they won that game. And they're just, dominating hockey. There's only eight teams left. Not a hockey podcast. We're not going to talk about it. There's only eight teams left playing for the Stanley Cup. And yeah, New York Islanders and one of them. We're playing the Philadelphia Flyers tonight. Um, so, you know, I'm kind of going off the rails today. I got a little bit of sunburn. It's coming through my mouth a little bit. I'm kind of going.

I'm still reeling off of that gummy bear that I had last week. Um, and you still got to be reeling off of, uh, Lucas, the magician. That's another thing that's talking about. This fucking guy, I don't want to get too graphic, but he, he entered me. Like, he just destroyed me. And, He will not exit me until I clear my head of something. I don't know. I go sit my head in like a fucking ice bat. I'll never be able to get over what he did to me today. He actually was doing real magic, not just sleigh of hand.

You're laughing, but my car was in his shoe. People have to understand this because it will come out in videos, but you're going to have to take the time to actually watch it, and you can't do that right now because you're listening to us on a fucking podcast. The interview with The Entourage guys is amazing. We get stories from behind the scenes, the creation of the show, golf rounds, people they played with, Wayne Gretzky, all this cool stuff. So that's coming up towards the end. Today at the Barstall Classic at Cherry Valley, which is Frankie's kind of adopted one of his home courses out in Long Island, Garden City area.

There's an assistant pro at Liberty National, Lucas. He's 23 years old. He's been doing magic since he was eight. and he is like the goes to he he preaches at the school of david blaine and he's in the fucking magic society he keeps telling me the name i don't know what it is there's only three in the world he's literally in like the global brotherhood of magic doers or something like that and he's amazing and when he's working up at liberty in during his shifts he'll jump over to kind of the little um the little patio where people are having dinner and drinks and lunch and he'll he'll just pull out some of his

little magic tricks with cards mostly and people are are oohed and odd and he was doing this to me last week and i said lucas are you fucking my face right now with the stuff that you're doing it is so mind-blowing how good he is at it yet he's also got this like um he's got this like this this young like euro vibe about him he's not an old crusty kind of like bullshit magician he's this young kid who's very personable and the shit that he does. Frankie at one point said, we're going to burn him on the green because he's doing this witchcraft. He was pissing some people off in a funny way about how perplexing the things that he does are. But I've never been in a situation where your jaw hits the floor and you can't even begin to understand how someone is doing

the things that he does with cards in front of your face. I said at one point, I think I looked around and I said, how are we going to let this guy do this to us? Part of magic is they just make you feel like the dumbest person in the world. He's like, look at this card that you have in your hand. What car is that? I'm like, it's a three. And then he's like, well, you idiot, it's in my fucking shoe.

And like, you don't know anything about the world. And I'm like, well, I guess I am stupid because I didn't see it fly from my fingertips to the bottom of your foot. So that guy was nuts. And it was a really good event today. at Cherry Valley. I had my pink shirt on, had my, had my rose little fucking cherry tree going on, whatever this thing is on my chest. I look back on my Instagram and I wear this thing all the time. I wear this shirt just pink just fucking flattered all over my fucking feet. It's a great shirt.

It fits well. It's Cherry Valley. I'm really happy that people got to see my quote unquote home course, even though I grew up in the restaurant business and didn't belong to a country club. Maddie fucking ran that thing great today. He's awesome. He's the nicest guy of all time. I mean, I think everyone on the Barstle side has seen that Maddie is almost overly nice to the point where you have to tell him to say something mean, like, just slap me across the face, Matt, like, call me a fucking piece of shit or something, like, do something. I mean, he just, like, he's just, like, looks at me. He's like, your dad is just one of the nicest people and one of my favorite people I've ever met.

Like, you've met him once, man. Like, come on, Maddie, let's go. Like, you're just so nice. He asked me how my family is and he's never met them. He has. I mean, I had met him one time. Frankie was nice enough to take me out to Cherry Valley at once, and it was great. I played with Matt and Frankie.

And I mean, Matt is legitimately the nicest guy in the world. But, you know, we talked a little bit. But then today, I was the first time I had seen him since that. And he was like, hey, man, how's the family? I was like, they're okay. But like, you don't know them, but I appreciate you. He's great. And he, you know, with the classic, we deal with pros, head pros every week.

And he's one of the best. He's on top of it. He's cool. He gets what we do. He's got a great vibe about him. He's incredibly kind. He's on top of his shit. He was all over the stuff.

scoring, he just nailed it. So Matt's awesome. Cherry Valley was really, really cool. Speaking of your father, Frankie, observing his reaction to Lucas, the magician, combined with your reaction, at one point, your father just had to go inside because he was so upset about what he was seeing. At another point, I watched him in a very serious manner, grabbed Frankie from the magician area and pull him over to putting green and be like, all right, so here's what I think's going on here. and kind of try to break down a couple of the tricks. And then Frank, he was like, yeah, Dad, but what about when he signed the card

and then it appeared in my fucking mouth? And your dad was like, I don't know about that one. I don't fucking know about that one. That was the best part for me, at least. First of all, shout out to me for not getting sun poisoning at the Barsoe Classic today. I'm an adult. I drank a bunch of water.

I didn't get overheated. My heart rate didn't go to 192. So I had a better day than the Atlantic City. Barcel. Thank you, Larch. I appreciate it. And yes, you're right, Riggs. The best part for me, other than the magic, was watching Mr. Burelli pull Frankie aside. And I couldn't hear what they were saying. So it was almost like watching a silent movie of them trying to figure out what was going on with the magic because Mr. Borelli, he just didn't get it. And nobody got it, but nobody was more bothered by it than Mr. Borelli. Like for me, when I watch magic, I am just, I'm so into it

and I don't even try to figure it out, and I don't even think about how he's doing it. But the Borrelli Brain Trust, they just wanted to figure out so badly how he was making these things. That's how he is with everything. He wants to find a way, like, around things. He wants to figure out how, what's the best way?

He wants to watch him and be like, I know how you did it. He wants to give him that look. Like, I know that you got them, but you didn't get me, and he couldn't do that today. After the... I mean, that's the classic.

Yeah, after the classic, like, oh, no, I'm going to figure this out. It's like, no, you're not. You're just being in a lot. Like it's impossible. You just evolve them. You're a freak. It's going to upset me more, the more I think about it

because it's going to kind of like expose the less I know about everything that's going on. So you just have to like, okay, you know, I'm going to forget that. I even saw that like a bad dream. He's napping right now because he couldn't stay. He couldn't talk about it anymore. After the first trick, your dad was trying to figure out how we could get him to the nearest casino. He's like, we got to be making money on it. Dude, at one point, like that joke ended.

He's like, all right. He legitimately said, I don't know why everyone's laughing. The casino's only an hour and a half away. If we get in the car right now, we will be rich in three hours. Yeah, and he was walking around then while Lucas was doing his thing, and he's like, what a waste of time this is? Like, what a waste? You could just be at the casino.

What are you guys not? This is the biggest waste of talent of all time for us. For him, he's great. He's his career. For us, we're just sitting here acting like idiots when we could be rich. it's hard to describe how cool Lucas is. Like when Riggs was like, he's 23, he's an assistant pro at Liberty fucking National. And he's also got this insane skill as a magician.

Like Riggs said or somebody said, he's been doing it since the third grade. So he's been, had a lot of practice. But he's just cool about it. And he never misses. He's flawless. I watched him go around to other groups that weren't us because we kept a mockedied. We were like, well, you just stay at our table and continue to do magic. He's like, I got to work the room.

him a little bit and everybody he would just do these tricks and he would blow people's minds it's really it's really a cool thing and it was it was a cool thing to experience because you watch the david blaine videos we've all seen them they're all incredible david blame put me on the roof they're all they're all crazy they're all crazy awesome videos but then when someone does close up magic in front of you it's a whole different experience and like frankie said we wanted to have him arrested it was so crazy yeah it was and he has he had no sleeves no hoods he's just in short sleeves doing everything right in front of your face

to the point where the last trick he came over to me and was like hey Riggs I just got one last thing I really want you to see you and I was like well that's never fucking good Lucas what are you going to do now and he handed me a card and he goes I want you to sign this card and I signed the card and then he folded it up right in front of my face and handed it to me and so now put this in your mouth between your teeth and I said okay Lucas I put

put it in my mouth and then he pulled out a totally different card from the deck he signed it himself he folded it up put it in his own mouth did some little wishy-washy thing with it in his mouth i'm standing there with this card in my own mouth and he goes now pull that card out of your mouth and it was his fucking card that he signed and he pulled out of his mouth my card that i saw and i said now you need to get the fuck out of here because it's just it's not it's not a little bit He's getting frustrated. And he did say, I asked him, like, do people ever get legit mad? And he said, you know, there's like some, there are some Napoleonic people out there

who always feel like you're doing it to make them seem dumb and that you're embarrassing them and they're not in on the fun and that they'll get, like, upset. Seems like that, though, make my head spin. Like, dude, you gave me the card. I'm biting it. You didn't take it from my mouth. Like, I get that there's a possibility. art of deception out there where they're like do something and I don't look at it and then

they just like make something like slide out of their sleeve but like when you're holding on to it and then it feels like it fundamentally changes like the piece of paper is now ripped even though it's perfect when you got it makes my head spin but then I just do my best to forget it ever he's so good that I convinced myself that he is just the luckiest guy in the world and that he like he's just on a string of good luck where everything he says that are happening with the cards just somehow happen like i i just otherwise it's hard to think about what he's doing which is why i always just default to this is just amazing and i don't even want to know what's going on you got to get to the gulf with the thing that i have to say uh at the end was when when i realized that we he wasn't doing just

tricks and he's actually a magician like real like hoggworth shit is when he just told he just gave He gave Trent a deck of cards and said, just put a couple cards one on one deck, one on another, and just says turn them over. And they were all blacks and all reds all in the same spot. Trent was the one. Trent was the one putting them down. And he's like, just put him anywhere. He was three here, two there, whatever. Whatever you want to do is Trent's like four in one, one and the other five in one. He turned him all over, all red, all black. And on top of that, again, we're going to get to the golf. On top of that is that he would catch him in real time. So he was like, this is the red card. pile. This is the black card pile. And I did. I started going crazy. I tried to randomize it as much as I could. He'd pop me every once in a while and be like, you just put a red in the black. And he would like, hold on a second. He'll flip it over and put it back in the right. We're like, how the fuck did you know that? It's, it's mind-blowing shit, legitimately. And Trent was the one who cut the deck and shuffled it and he never touched it once. That's what he turns over what he's about to fuck you with to you. So, like, but he obviously, he obviously figures out a way.

to get it done because it's not magic. So that's the thing that below- E-Bug had a comment today where we were trying to figure it out and E-Bug goes, I just accept magic. And that was honestly the most genuine reaction.

No, I just, I wish I was E-Bug. E-Bug's like, I just accept magic. And once he said that, it was like, yeah, you don't need to know how it's done. It's magic. He's born like Harry Potter and he's doing this shit and that's just what it is. And really?

Yeah. When they change the physical property, it's where if my head spins and that's where I leave, like when it's not like when the property of the car changing, like the signature of your mouth, like that was in your mouth. How does it, how does he get his in that? What he is? Go ahead. At one point, Lurch, he did a fucking trick where he shuffled up a whole deck, okay, a million times.

And then he said, okay, this one's not about the card. It's about the number of cards. So I'm going to hand you these cards and he counted them and said, here's seven cards. He goes, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven. And the person himself counted them. Then he goes, I want you yourself to hold those cards that you counted on your chest like this. And he's holding them on his chest face down. And then he hands a deck to another guy and goes, pick a card.

And the guy picks a three. And then Lucas goes to the guy holding the. seven cards. He goes, okay, that means three cards have been added to those cards in your chest. Now you have 10 cards. The guy goes, what? Pulls out the cards, counts him in front of his own face. He has 10 cards. And Lucas goes, no, no, we could just do this all day. Next guy. Next guy picks like a seven. And Lucas goes, no problem. There should be 17 cards. And the guy goes, holy fuck, these cards just got twice as many. He counts him out, 17. And then he's doing it like, guess how many cards there are? We're like, we fucking know they're 17, Lucas, but there shouldn't be.

we're going to strangle your ass. This is the last thing I'm going to say about magic because we're a golf podcast, not a hockey podcast, or we're not a magic podcast either. But it's what he does and what guys like Lucas does, like David Blanel is going to,

it's actually more impressive than magic because we live in a world, at least as I see it, where magic doesn't exist. So he has to make those situations work without actual magic. So that's what's crazy to me. You know what I mean?

Like if we lived in a world where magic exists, this would not be that interesting. But since we don't, he has to figure, out a way to make it look like magic exists when it actually does it, which is fucking crazy. Don't tell eBug that, Trent, but I agree. Okay.

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It's a lucky long-slee shirt. I haven't pulled it out since last year. I'm feeling good. I was about to play the flyers. Also, before we get into the golf, I now need to finish my sentence in which we talked about 25 minutes ago. This will be the longest pause between when I was started my sentence and then when I'm finishing it, this will be the longest one in podcast history. I'm still talking about the golf society that we fucking built. I just want to say everyone, I'm sorry that the game is broken right now.

There's bugs. there is a fucking thing in which when I set the difficulty, no matter what I do, when I set the difficulty and I lock it, I say I want it to be a pro swing. I want it to be this type of meter so that no one can just go in and fucking shoot 99 under. For some reason,

there's a bug where it just doesn't save. So everyone just goes in and they're like fucking going crazy and they're like, I'm going to make it all amateur. Some guy shot a 33. So you know what? Like I'm not going to have that anymore. I actually got it to work on the second one.

And people were like, this is impossible. Trenching like 102. This is fucking crazy. We did it on a crazy conduct course. So I was like the USGA in that aspect where like I just made the golf course as hard as possible because people were shooting fucking 45 under. I'm like, I'm not having this shit anymore. And my final point to that is I now have a newfound respect for the USDA because it is

fucking fun to win as the golf course. When I made that course hard at Ace High Golf Club and I saw people, I was literally rubbing myself to the message thread on the. society where they're like, I'm never playing this game again. This is impossible. I was plus 47 over two rounds. It's impossible. I won. Like, I'm the golf course. I won that. So I felt really good. Someone wrote on the message board Frankie has lost the golf course. Did you change the wind or did you just put pins in different spots? I did. So I guess Crazy Kinnuck makes his golf course is really difficult to start. And then I went in and made the greens extra

firm and greens extra extra fast. So all of his spots that are usually like yellow beads were like purple. Not even right. They were like purple. There's spots where you can't even hold on. This one who sent me a video where he goes, I hate it here. It was just just kept rolling off the fucking greens no matter what he did. Like I hate it here.

It's the worst. But it sucks because it was actually a good golf course. I fuck crazy enough. Like it should have just been the way it is. So tonight on the one that we're, doing tonight and the one that we'll do when this podcast comes out on Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Thursday, Friday. We'll keep it the way it is.

So Islanders are about to start. Let's talk out. Good luck. Good luck to the islanders. Did you see the clip of the guy, by the way, in PGA Tour 2K21 just walking into the water? Yes. Yeah, it's hilarious. That was Zach Johnson walking into the water.

I'm pretty sure. Do they not have him in the game? I think he's in the game. I think it was just that guy's character. That guy's looks like Zach Johnson? Okay. I don't know, but this clip, I saw it, and like, it's a little bit long for a clip for somebody to tweet at us. And I just was like, we're so into this game that I watched it.

And I laughed out loud that his guy just clearly has a shithole and just walks into the lake. He slowly walks into the lake. It's so good. So go look at that if you can. Speaking of also the video game, Lurch versus Frankie at Wingfoot tomorrow. So that's actually today. you guys listening can follow along. We're going to be kind of updating from our day at Wingfoot,

and then we'll have a longer video of the experience. We're going to try to showcase what it's like to play at Wingfoot, what the course is going to deliver, and then compare it to, of course, a couple amateurs. So I think Lurch is about a six or a seven handicap. Frank's like an eight or a nine, so we can figure out it shouldn't be that crazy with the strokes, but have a good match.

I will be caddying for the two of you. Yeah, that's a nice of a wrinkle. That is. And our good friend, I think Jake, or no, is it going to be Jake or is it going to be eBay? One of the two will be out there filming in a heroic fashion, running around in the heat, doing their thing, which we much appreciate them for. But you can follow along. It's a U.S. Open course. There's only, I think, 20 people that are allowed to play this damn thing for Media Day, and you are two of them.

And I'm going to be looping, which everyone knows is going to rattle my cage because I would love to be playing the golf course. So people can follow along today as that podcast has, or as that this podcast come out, that will be occurring. Okay. Dustin Johnson shot 30 fucking underbar at TBC Boston. He won by 11 strokes. Okay. 11. He had a moment on Friday when he was 11 under through 11 holes of golf.

He, I think, was 8 under through 7 holes at one point, which are just fake life numbers. We're talking all about this video game, right? That is what you used to be able to do in Tiger Woods, where you could actively spin and choose and change the spin of the golf ball in the air. And he's doing it on a 7,400-yard course, whatever it is. There's par fours that are 500-plus yards, and he is shooting 60, 64, all of these ridiculously low numbers to get to 30 under par for the week and winning by 11 shots.

I can't even fathom how he fucking did that. You know what's crazy is he was incredibly dominant, like you're saying, 30 under, one by 11 strokes, one of the more incredible performances you'll ever see over four rounds of golf. And it could have been better. Friday, I thought we were going to be coming on this podcast, talking about how he shot at 55.

He was 11 under through 11 holes. Scotty Sheffler had shot a 59 earlier in the day, so the course was clearly getable. And if you had asked me what he was going to shoot, standing on the 12 T-box, like what we were going to be talking about at the end of the round, I would have said 55, 56, 57 at the highest. I don't know how he ended up shooting a 60, but yeah, he was 30 under and he could have been even lower.

He should have been even lower on Friday. I can't believe he wasn't. Did anyone follow him? He's loose picks this weekend? Oh, I must have missed it. Yeah, I miss that too. The notification didn't show up this week. Too bad.

You could have made some free money. I had DJ pre-fout. Pre-Tournament. Damn. Oh, wow. That's, yeah, definitely. Anything in this podcast history has ever halted a conversation more than Lurchy-Lose Picks.

If you want to get some credit, you know, do you guys dogg on Lurchy? Oh, you know what? It's a big from the clouds. Listen, Lurge, that's a great call. Do you happen to know what his odds were going in because that's a great call? It was plus 2,000.

I mean, it's not fucking, he wasn't the favorite. That's a pretty good call. Yeah, it's not bad. I mean, five units, make one bet. It hits. You know, I just. I've missed a lot. A lot of my guys have missed the cuts.

They're loose. They're loose picks. That's all they are. You're firing from the hip. Yeah, it's like, it's like your lurch and your picks are loose. It's kind of, that's like what it feels like.

Yep. Nothing about you's tight. Like that, your picks are loose. Like, everything's on brand. I'm starting on this podcast really has something tight about their physical stature. I'm actually out of diet right now.

you know, talk to me in a couple months. How's that going, Trent? Your whoop, you kind of, like, improved your standing. I mean, it's going pretty bad just because I'm in a bad mood because I'm on a diet and my body wants things that I don't allow it to have. Although, I will say I did go off the reservation a bit over the weekend. Friday, Saturday, you can't keep me like, I'm going to have a few, you know, pieces of candy and maybe some Taco Bell, whatever.

But during the week, I've been trying to be pretty strict. And, yeah, my whoop is showing that my disturbances are way down. My recovery, I'm at like 89% when before I was in the 40s to 50s all the time. So it's going okay. Is there a part of the golf course? We talk about Zach Johnson saying they've lost the golf course at Shinnock. Is there a part of losing the golf course when a guy shoots a 59? The guy an hour later is on his way to shoot a 55 basically.

Is there any aspect of losing the golf course in that realm of it's just way too easy? Yes. I mean, I think that we've all sort of talked about that before. Now, I will say that them letting it occur occasionally, I don't hate, because there was a ton of chatter about it and that it was exciting. It was fun. It was these guys shooting such crazy numbers. But I will say, here's some stats for you. Scotty Sheffler went 70, 59, 67, 71, and lost by 13. Oh, Jesus Christ. It's a fake one. I mean, Harris English went 64, 66, 66, 69. He lost by 11. Kevin Kisner, our good friend, very good friend of the pod, O and won in four-man scramble matches. He tied for fourth and shot 65, 66,

70, 66, and he finished as well, 13 shots back. Yeah, what mostly happened this weekend was TBC Boston, obviously very, very getable when you've got a bunch of of guys going low. And then you got a perfect storm with a guy like Dustin Johnson playing about as good as he's going to play. Like you had said at the beginning rigs, a game, when he's got his A game, he's probably unbeatable for the longest time in that argument. I would fight and claw for Rory McElroy. But after that display this weekend, it's hard to argue against Dustin Johnson. So I think what you came across this weekend was a perfect storm of a getable golf course and Dustin Johnson just playing out of this fucking lot. I'm not going to do the math. You can't force me.

I'll never do math. pretty sure, based off what you just said about Kizzes, like, his rounds, he could have shot 65 or 64, four days in a row and still lost by a significant amount of strokes. So, yes, I mean, he, if the par is 71, so if he shoots 65 each day, he loses by six. 65 each day. Like, hey, man, like imagine going to go up to Kiz and be like, bro, you're going to go out there this week, and on all four days, you're going to shoot 65, and you're going to lose this tournament by six strokes.

He would tell you, he'd look at you worse than we looked at, what's his name, the magician? He'd like, what the fuck are you smoking? I mean, losing by six, dude,

if somebody wins a major championship by six, that's like winning a hockey game by 10. Like, that is, that just doesn't happen. It does not occur. And DJ... You have to shoot a 63 every day.

A 63? Every day you win by two. Right. Two stroke. Yeah, you have to shoot eight under 63. Of course, that is...

you know, longer than any course we've ever played. And that would just barely win. You would have barely beat DJ. And he could have put on the afterbrunters coming down the stretch and maybe still beat you. Like, you know, you don't know. But, but yeah, that's, it was, the scoring was crazy. We like to see high scoring.

We don't love to see super low numbers. I will say seeing it occasionally is fine. So I didn't think it was as bad as sometimes it can be. And I think that that course is actually in ways interesting to watch. I think watching them play that second hole with the water everywhere where like Tiger and Rory hit it off that rock and hit it behind him. That's that hole's interesting to watch. 18's very interesting to watch where like Horsal hit it in the shit that one year and blew it. That was very cool. So I don't think it's as boring to watch as some other courses that people

shoot incredibly low numbers at. But the point is DJ just destroyed everyone. So we have to mention it. Kisner is playing great. He finished T3 at the winter. He finished T4 this week, and he finished T19 at the PGA championship. So our friend Kevin Kisner is starting to heat up. There's a lot of money in the FedEx Cup, as everyone knows. So him getting his ass to East Lake, having a good showing, makes him a lot of money. He had an all-time quote. Yep.

When he responded to DJ, what exactly did he say, Trent Addie? I got it pulled up right here. Yeah. He said, Kevin Kisner, he said, I've been watching DJ for 25 years. I'm pretty accustomed to it. When he's on, I just step to the side and try to add on to my bank account, which is not only is it true, but it's really funny and it's very, it's 100% Kevin Kisner. Yeah. Perfect Kiz.

Just a perfect reaction. And he's right, right? We took home, what, $300,000, I think I saw this week finishing T4 at the Northern Trust. And he's been locking up six figures left and right the last several weeks with his performances. So shout out to Kevin Kisner. Kiz has been cracking me up because he'll text me every now and again. So he played golf with Cal Clutterbuck of the New York Islanders. they became really good buddies.

Like they hit it off on the golf course. I think they're very similar in like attitude and like way of life. They're just like boys, boys. And they can have a couple drinks on the golf course and whatever. And their child color buck is one of the best golfers actually in the NHL. He's sick. Like a plus two or something like that. Yeah, something like that.

They put up something on NHL where he was like a top five. They did like the top rankings of golfers in the NHL. But anyway, so kids, like I guess likes to watch now because he has a buddy on the island. the islanders are playing sick they're playing right now against philly and they're absolutely dominating the first 10 minutes of the game i mean they're about to score right here here we go for a fucking pass from it oh my god it just missed the net um this is happening live right now by the way guys this is crazy zone times nuts zone times nuts so it's your fucking story so kisner will text me he'll be like is cal out there and i'll be like yeah i'll be like yeah

he's out there and then they score the fucking go Andy green let's go one nothing new york Islanders. We knew this was going to happen. We knew, we thought. We talked before the podcast. We, you know, we're like, it's probably going to bleed into a little bit of the Islanders game. And we're like, well, maybe we'll get some crazy Frankie shit. And then there you go.

Just screaming. Okay, okay. So, so anyway, Clutterbuck, I mean, I'm fucking jacked right now. Clutterbuck will actually, so kids will be like, oh, is Clutterbuck out there? I'm like, yeah. So the other night, Clutterbuck got hit. And kids texted me, he's like, where the fuck's, like, where's Cal? I'm like, oh, man, he got a hit.

He's like, you can't take a hip check anymore. I'm like, yo, I'm like, kids, he's like out of the game. Like, I don't know. It's like, he barely got off the ice. He's like, ah, he's soft. I'm like, kids, I don't think that's like how it works. So then the next game, the next game, kids is like, I got to text. Kiz was literally in second place in the tournament.

And that night, he texted me. He was like, has Cal killed that guy yet? It was like 10 minutes into the game. And I was like, no, he's not playing like tonight. And he goes, all right, I'm out. I'm like, all right, kids. Like you only watch the game when like your buddy's in. It's such like a kid's moved to.

I was like picturing him sitting back with Dewey and like one of those houses that they rent during this tournament. And he's just like, oh, like flipping into the channels. He gets my text at his buddies out and he goes, I'm out. And just fucking goes on and puts on like some outdoor show about fishing. That's our guy. And he is one of the best players on planet Earth. So it's pretty crazy. He's playing as well as he's played.

And he's coming off a year last year. I think he ended up finishing nine. at the actual tour championship last year. He won the WGC last year. The year before was very close in several major championships. So Kins now is coming off, and really I think this last stretch, I just listed his finishes,

has been playing phenomenal golf. I mean, finishing at 17 under par at a PGA tour event is so fucking good. It's amazing. So Kiz is playing great golf. Good for him. It's fun to watch. I texted him last night too,

about how I said, you know, I hear you're playing really great golf, but it sucks. We don't get to watch it because they never show you. And he goes, that's all right. That's perfect with me. So he just doesn't really give a fuck about not being on TV, but it does suck because I would like to see him play a little bit more. Regardless, all of these folks that we're talking about from Kisner,

Justin Thomas, Dustin Johnson, Rory, they're all rocking the woop band. We're rocking the wop band. The PGA Tour procured 1,000 straps for their golfers, caddies and staff. It monitors health. It can tell you, I think 80% is the rate. If you have COVID symptoms, you go get tested. Boom. You know you have COVID because whoop told you that. And it does a lot more. We talk about it all time just through the different segments on the show because we're all wearing them and we all love them. But it monitors your sleep how well you think you slept versus how well you actually slept. It monitors your heart rate. It has a cool live feature where it tells you

Frankie, what's your heart rate out right now? What's your heart rate out right now? Oh, I should have check. I mean, it's come down right now because, like, I'm just used to the island as being sick at hockey. No, you're not. I bet it's still in the low, high 80s, low 90s. He's checking it right now.

107. 107. Wow. 107. That's pretty high. It was one. I would argue that it was at, like, 130, 140 when the goal went in.

Okay. I love it. The whole point is it gives you real-time feedback. It monitors your recovery. You understand how bad alcohol is for you. If you went out there and you thought maybe your workout was okay, you might find out that the actual daily strain that you had was more impressive than you thought and how good that could be for you. Conversely, if you're doing sort of what we've been doing for several months now, you'll realize that your strain is in the low single digits. That ain't good. That's basically like you didn't even get out of fucking bed all day. and you need to improve in order to get to a better spot. It's awesome.

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Use the code for you're going to get 15% off today. What are you pumping your fists about over there now? Just good zone hockey. There's two icings in a row. They're fucking tired. Niskin and sucks. I'm happy. Are we talking about Ours and Alps today?

Is Orson Alps a company that we're talking about? I do not think today we're talking about Ours and Alps. I know what you're going to say. I think I know what you're going to say. You guys see who's on the fucking Orson Alps bandwagon now? I want to say that like a year ago when we were tight with Bryson DeShambe, he actually at one point sent me a DM that said, what do you think about that Orz and Alps stuff?

I'm thinking about getting involved in it. And I said, it's fucking awesome. But then I saw that today, this Instagram, of him just shoving Orson Alps in people's faces. And I couldn't believe it. I got tagged in this post where it's just Bryson, it's just a huge Orson Alps thing,

which, like, caught my eye because I'm like, oh, sick, Orson Alps. I'll always look at one of their heads. And then I saw Bryson's mug in the background with one of his jacked arms. I'm like, are you fucking kidding me? Oh, no, breakaway. Kevin Hayes,

Denied! It is very funny that Bryson D. Shambos is now, also in the Orson Alps family. Maybe we, you know, do a commercial together, Mens and Fences.

That could be our end, Trent. That's a great call. That's what I was thinking. Orson, Al's, I'm going to give you this free idea. I will go to wherever I got to go, and I will apply Orson Alps to Bryson DeShambot is underarms

as he hits bombs in his, like, generator, simulator thing, whatever the fuck he's got in his basement. Every time, that he, every time that he takes one of those bombs, I will apply to his underarms. You either do that? Yeah. I like it.

Hit bombs, apply to underarms. All right? I like that. Or you do. He puts it on. He puts on the Orson Alps. He hits a bunch of bombs where he's sweating and he looks gross. And then he puts his arms up and we smell under his arms.

And we're like, nope, that still smells oars and alps fresh. Yep. Something like that. I love it. I think it's really smart. I think that we just handed that to Orson Alps. They're not even on this show, but they're on it now, which we couldn't really help because you're right,

Frank. We're getting tagged left and right about how Bryson is shoving Orson Alps in people's faces, which I respect. It is a really good product. Tiger Woods. Eldrick, Big Dick Eldrick, he was back in Boston. He's playing a bunch. He's going to be in Chicago this week. If he plays well this week, he will advance to the Tour Championship next week.

And then, of course, a couple weeks after that, he'll be at the U.S. Open, which he has won on three separate occasions. So we're going to be seeing a lot of Tiger Woods and then the Masters tournament's coming up in November, which is amazingly the same week as the Barstall Classic, which we don't talk about. Anyways, Tiger Woods, finished six under.

He posted a 5 under 66 on Sunday. He had it going for a while on Thursday as well, which got people really jacked up, and then he kind of stalled out. I think in these situations is one of those tournaments where everyone just goes, Tiger just needs the reps. That's what everybody says.

He just needs the reps. Love seeing them get the reps. Reps, reps, reps. So I think it's going to be a reps week for us when it comes to Tiger Woods. Yeah, and also, like, at the end of the day, it's like when you watch one of your teams and, like, it's the argument, would you rather have lost in quadruple overtime or get blown out in the first period or something where Tiger had a chance? I mean, Dustin Johnson, 30 under.

It's just, at the end of the day, yeah, Tiger, you almost don't want to use a Tiger Woods, like 22 under tournament where he was fucking going 65, 68, lightening up, and then DJs over there, giggling. away fucking pounding it pounding the ball right into the hole every single fucking hole. I mean, there's no way that I would have taken that this week. And I'm very glad that he got it going. He got the putter going a little bit on Sunday. Like you said, he started off hot.

We were getting all the tweets. We were firing off the tweets on Thursday. I just tweeted out Tiger Woods. At one point, sometimes you just think he's going to take it over. The first two holes, if he goes like Bertie par, you think the tournament's over. I did that problem last at the PGA championship where he, where I said this thing's over. He hit a put on one at the PJ championship,

and I wrote, this thing is over. Everyone packed your bags up. He didn't even come close. There was that long stretch where he would make a bogey on one every time. So like, or do that or makes a parr or a birdie. I did the same thing where it's like I think the tournament's over. Like he's going to be hot and he's got it going on one. He's going to have it going for all 72 holes.

And it's just not the case. And so, yeah, I think he's just getting his reps soon. We're all staying on positive. side. I agree. There was that stretch when he was like every first he shot was so nerve-wracking because he would hit a shit one. He would hit some OB.

He'd make bogeys even when he hit a decent one and he just couldn't get off to a good start. Now when he does, like, oh, he's the greatest of all the time. Of course, he's going to win the tournament by a thousand. And that happened to be a different person named Dustin Johnson this week.

What tournament wasn't that we watched in the old office? It was like his first return back. It wasn't like Dubai, was it? It was like one of like the island. The Zos. No, it was like the hero challenge. and we all got jacked up. We're wearing our red, and, like, he just, like, put the first shot out of bounds.

And then we were like, oh, my God, this is, he couldn't hit a fairway. And we said, this is not good. Dave was in the office. Like, is this your fucking leader? Like, we were like, ah, shit. That was the type of woods that he didn't like, like, to deal with. I hate to say it, but we're talking about the wrong woods this weekend. Charlie Woods won again.

Did you guys see that? Are you fucking kidding me? He won a. I did. I saw that. I saw that. He was the only player under par again. I hate to do that. I hate to do that to the old man, but Charlie Wood won again.

All right. Just because you're becoming this Charlie Wood stand does not mean that you can start calling Tiger Woods an old man. No, it was a joke, but it is crazy that Charlie Woods won for the second consecutive weekend. And like Rick said, he was the only guy under par. He only won by three strokes this week as opposed to five. But fucking A man.

Don't they play nine holes? Yeah, they do. They play nine. They're fucking toddlers. And he's just destroying it. It is something. You're right, Tram. Put it on the radar.

You know, it doesn't have to be a front and center, but put it on the radar that, like, Charlie's coming. That's just going to happen. Another thing on the Tiger Woods front that I would like to say is that Tiger and Rory were asked. You know, they played together Saturday and Sunday. And Tiger was asked about the crowds. And there was, I think it was Jaime Diaz or somebody during the PGA, who went on this idiotic tangent about how Tiger Woods probably enjoys more than everyone else,

the no fans thing. and I was like, are you fucking stupid? Tiger Woods, A, Tiger Woods playing in front of 20 or 30,000 people sprinting all over the golf course who sit perfectly still when Tiger hits and then run all over with no regard for sportsmanship for anyone else every second of that round that he's not playing. Tiger Woods gains a massive advantage from that. And also, Tiger draws from the fans like any athlete, watch a fucking game. watch the islanders. Like when you have crowds, when you have normal crowd, momentum, the crowd being all jacked up late in a playoff game, it's the same thing in golf with Tiger Woods having this gigantic following. It's a huge advantage. And finally, they just asked him about that straight up. And his quotes were incredibly telling where he said, yes, it's been an

advantage. I have been now for 24 years on the PGA tour playing in front of tens of thousands of screaming fans who are running all over the place. Every person is, I play with is not used to that. They never have to deal with that. And I feed off it. I feed off the energy. So I just wanted to finally say that anybody who's out there that thinks

Tiger Woods is like enjoying that there's no fans, when he is a fucking golfing machine who is fueled his engine, they just plug energy from the fans into the engine that is the Tiger Woods machine thinks that he was like benefiting from there being no fans, a fucking mora.

And also when other top players have come out and said all the fans are getting a little too rowdy, we've had a bunch of guys in the past say things where it's like, we got to bring this stuff back. We got to figure it out. If you go back, you could search all day long, and Tiger Woods never said a peep. He never said anything about, yeah, these guys are right.

We got to figure out how to make these fans be more calm and quieter. He is always silent on that issue for exactly what Riggs is saying. He has a gigantic advantage when the tiger crowd is following him. You will never, ever see him say any negative thing about how crazy. the crowds are. He will never say that because he has such a huge advantage. And I, you know, there's, I talked about my little cool walk with Robbie Mac during the PGA, which I only bring that because it's the coolest fucking thing in the world that I got to do that. And during that chat, I'm picking his brain. And I'm not, I wasn't really quite sure when I

talked to you guys, what can I say? What can I say? I don't want to like disrupt the team Tiger Day. But he, I was asking him, like, yeah, with the fans, I was hearing somebody on Golf Channel talk about how, you know, they think of it. And Robbie Mac was like, he feet. off the fans more than anyone in the history of the game. And he was like, and it's pandemonium every time he's tees off, which he's just used to because he's been doing that his entire life. And it's not panamonium for anyone else, 99.99% of the time that they play. So when they do have to play with Tiger, with the group in front of Tiger, behind them, near him,

it's fucking chaos for them. And Tiger loves it. So hearing that directly from them and then hearing it directly from Tiger, who's probably sick and tired of people being like, oh, do no fans help you? Like, of course they don't fucking help them. He lives off the fans. That's why we are fans. That's why we love Tiger Wood.

So glad to clear that up. And we just need fans back. So I think that's going to help Tiger. Last thing, before we get to the entourage boys, Sophia Popov wins the AIG Women's British Open. This was one of the coolest stories. Last year, she was going to quit golf because it was such a struggle. She's on the damn symmetrical tour, which is she's just not close.

She, I think, missed, they said, like a four-foot putt or something. to get her status on the LPGA tour. She didn't have status. She, I think a month ago or three weeks ago, was caddying on the LPGA tour for another professional golf. She was caddying for someone else. And then just won the first fucking major

and won the Women's British Open. It was awesome. And she won it easily. There was only four players under par. She finished seven under with an easy little bogey on the last hole, had a three-shot lead coming up 18. I wasn't able to follow the entire thing all week long, but I was glued in the last couple hours

because she came out of the clouds with one of the great upsets ever and went from fucking caddying for a professional player a few weeks ago to winning a major championship. Insane. Hell of a comeback story. Hell of an underdog story. Love to see those things. I mean, at the end of the day, when you're just a caddy,

and then you're like, it's literally like the greatest game ever played. It's like you're amongst all these pros, and you feel like you're like in the wrong spot. One day I'm going to fucking, like one day I'm going to be in that same spot as you. And then all of a sudden you see yourself in the tournament and you're beating these people. I mean, people are probably turning their heads left and right being like, who the fuck's in the lead right now? Like, are you kidding me?

Like, what is going on? The caddy from last week? The caddy? Tell me it's the caddy. We're working on getting her on the show. I do think I'm fully confident that on Thursday's show we will have Sophia Popov. I was told in my negotiations were trying to get her on the show

that her one demand is that she'd be able to do the show while drinking out of the trophy that she won at the British Shelfman. I said, fine. We here on the Foreplay Golf Podcast, we are a class act, but we will allow it because you are a champion. So hopefully she'll be on Thursday show.

If not, she'll be on a show very shortly after that. But we're going to get her on. We're going to get the entire thing from her vantage point. Okay. Frankie's got the islanders to watch. we got a lot more to get to on Thursday's show. So stick with us. Enjoy this interview with the boys, with the old entourage crew.

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You're going to get 25% off at CBDMD.com. Enjoy this interview. All right, folks. Our next guests are awesome guys. We're big fans of them for a long time. A couple decades now it feels like, Doug Ellen and Kevin Dillon from Entourage. They've got a podcast where they break down a lot of the behind the scenes,

the history, the decisions that went on with Entourage, which was really sort of like for guys our age, a cultural phenomenon. Like everybody was living vicariously through Entourage for the entire eight seasons and the movie and everything. So it's really cool to have you guys on. Welcome to the show, gentlemen.

Thanks for having us. Absolutely. So what's talk about the podcast. What's, you know, like I said, a little bit of a phenomenon. People are die-hard entourage fans. So it looks like now, you know,

we're going to be able to get more in-depth information. Yeah. First of all, it's called Victory, the podcast. Victory! We start out with that right there. That's how we start the whole show. Oh, I do it is a lot of entourage stuff. But we also, we really want it to be a lot more than that.

It actually kind of feels like an episode without being one. It's just Kevin, Kevin Connolly and I, and Kevin Bill and just hanging out. In the background with Kevin Connolly, by the way, he's my, he's like, he's like, he's like, a college girl thing to say, but he's my spirit animal. Everything about Kevin Connolly is like what I aspire to be, right? Like he, in his character, in Entourage, he was a pizza guy,

I'm a pizza guy, he's an Islander's fan, I'm an Islander's fan. Everything about Kevin Connolly is me. So that guy in the background holding up a hockey stick, like, let's fucking go, Kevin. The Islanders are playing tonight to sweep the Washington Capitol. It's not a hockey podcast. We talk about that off. But listen, the Islanders are on a roll.

I'm going to take away this podcast and talk about it. We got to talk a little bit, just a little bit of hockey because I'm a diehard Islander fan as well. Let's go, baby. Kevin Connolly, whether he realizes it or not became the mascot of the Islanders because of me putting them on this show. And he has ignored me for the last 20 years. There's Islander events and says things like, they said I could bring a friend.

I guess I could have brought you. But, you know, it's, it's very exciting to see them. hopefully back if we could win this game tonight. And Dylan is a Rangers fan. Rangers, baby. I'm not a hater. I'd like to see the Islanders do well. Yeah, I'm a hater.

I don't want to see the Rangers do well. Ever, ever, ever, ever. I've often said that there's a part of me that may enjoy the Rangers losing more than the Islanders winning. I don't, it's a sick sadistic part of the race. Tell them what the desktop on your computer is a chip on their shoulder. It's a mess. The desktop on my computer at Barstall is actually Henrik Lunkwist

face down while the Kings are celebrating. And it's something that just reminds us. me like you can get as close as you can to your goal but like sometimes you're never going to get there always always strive for more so i'm a sick fuck i had season tickets to the islanders when i was a kid but once in a while i was lucky enough to go to the garden and i'd wear my dentist potfin jersey and they would throw stuff at me when i was like seven now dylan is old enough that it might have been him throwing him but i mean it'll come to the blue section the memories are you know and heaven and i went to a ranger game because actually i can't hate them as much anymore because

because Rick Nash we met who was awesome and his wife, they got us tickets to the game. So we did root from, but there were still people wearing the Potvin's sucks jersey in the garden, which is so sad for them, really. Right, they call us little brother, but they chant the same thing for the last 30 years about a player that injured one of their guys during a playoff game.

Come on, get over it. Yeah, for real. Well, I do remember the years when the Islanders were on that great run. What did you guys mean? 84, four in a row. 80 to eight eight, eight, four in a row. That's pretty amazing. Last team.

Four and in any sports. Man, this is my favorite podcast we've ever done. This is disgusting. We're not even, we're not recording it. We're not even recording. We're more about hockey than golf. Even though my first time ever playing golf on a real course was with Kevin Dylan and Kevin Connolly and bringing it to hockey also, Wayne Gretzky.

That was my first time ever on. What? Keep talking. Like, what does that even? Yeah, what's the great ones game like? The great one's game was great. He shot 77 that day, beat me by stroke. And I think I had like 10 margarita.

Only his throat. On the water, in 18, I could have beat him. No way. He drank a couple beers out there for sure. Connolly also put one in. True story from, what, 130? He was about 130. And he put it in.

And he's not good, but he was that moment. He rolled in for a par, by the way. And that was like, you know, I used to have fights in elementary school about who was better, Wayne or Brian Trache. I actually believed that when I was 11 or 12 years old. Now I don't. But when getting on a course with Wayne and. I went, George Gagas, who's a great golf teacher, he, I took one lesson.

He goes, you know, you have a nice natural swing. You'll be all right. We go out to Sherwood, I swear to you, I lost 150 balls. They were just going like this, and these guys are laughing at me. And Wayne Gretzky is going like, yeah, it's a little nerve-wracking to play in front of an MVP. And it was a tough day. But, again, like all this stuff, and we do talk about stuff like this on the podcast. We just have a 20-year relationship, friendship, as well as the show.

So me and Doug played a lot of golf after. And we worked out the handicap. I gave him a stroke a hole. And it's very competitive. Last time we played, he beat me by his stroke. I started getting okay. When there was a writer's strike, I started doing it every day.

But I don't know. I play this game Pickleball now. So not that much golf. Great one. We're going to get out there and play some golf in the next couple of weeks, though. Got to do it. So, Kevin, I'm curious because you, in the show,

it sounds like you're pretty damn good. You're giving them a stroke a hole in the show. I got like this. Okay. Yeah, and the show, you're like this lunatic, like, shit golfer who thinks he's good. Well, you know, I'm going to break that day, too, and they're like, the director's like, hey, you got to hit a bad shot here. And every shot was like ripped right down in the middle.

So it hurt me to have to hit it. So I purposely hit a snapbook and then broke Tom Brady's golf club after that. You know how he broke that? You guys kept scoring the club? Yeah. And it would snap perfectly. I'm like, dude, that's not how a golf club breaks. Let me break it for real.

Let me show you. because we did it like four times. We had one club left. I was like, let me break it. You said, go ahead. And I slammed down the ground, stepped on it. I picked it up and it was, you know, all the fiber last. It was all, it was perfect.

We always talk about, like, if we tried to do that, I think it would break my, like, leg if I try to do it over my leg. You watch, like, Patrick Reed, he duffs a shot and he just easily does it like a toothpick. But, like, for me, I'd be like, that's actually pretty difficult. Yeah, I mean, remember Bo Jackson, snapping a baseball bat over that is crazy to me. Well, when I was crazy to me. break clubs I would step on them. You step on them, right. Yeah, it's easiest. But I never, I don't do that anymore. A little bit of a week ago. I broke a couple putters. I throw a putter's. Everybody

watching the show like wonders how close is it to real life, right? Like it looks like you guys are having the most fun imaginable, that crew, you know, being in that scene and that part of the world with what everybody does and the profession of the industry. I mean, how fun was it doing entourage and like how how kind of real did it feel at times it was the best show you could possibly do for an actor it was so much fun the writing was great Doug was killing the writing the other guys were all fun the storylines and the sets and the cars and the women it was just it was just amazing it was the best gig you can get and it was actually kind of an easy day too no i was i was mostly stuck in an office writing and then having these guys complain about what they didn't like

The truth is, though, a lot of it, you know, the friendships that you see on the screen really did kind of go behind the scenes as well. And pretty instantaneously, because none of us were friends before we started. But we pretty, you know, when I was casting, I was really looking for guys who were like the guys that I grew up with. And I found that. And, you know, Adrian, Jerry, Kevin and Kevin, I mean, we kind of became really tight instantaneously and still are for the most part. very tight yeah so talk to me about like the beginning and getting this show like off and running because you know i i want to go back and listen to your guys podcast if you guys did like to do like talk about this behind the scene stuff because it it really really um it's so intriguing to me that you know how

the process of getting a show like this to be um like green lit with a with someone like HBO and stuff like that like it was it hard to get a storyline like this where it's just a bunch of buddies just going through life was that like hard to you know convert you know people that this was going to be such a phenomenon and such a great show? Well, it starts up. I mean, definitely no one was convinced it was going to be a phenomenon. Certainly HBO did not think so even though it was done. But when we started, Mark Wahlberg brought an idea to me that was basically him and his friends was kind of the whole thing. And I told him I didn't like it. That's how we started. And his manager was like, think about it.

You'll figure it out. And I didn't even have a job. So I don't know what I was talking about. while I was here, right? Cocking guy. What I did was I really wanted to turn it into a group of friends and family that you can relate to and hopefully everyone would see it as their boys that they went to high school with. And the idea of selling the show with Mark was real easy. They go, okay, we'll buy a script. But then the next two years of getting that script to where they were willing to actually finance it,

that was a nightmare. It probably took two years. The casting, I think, was at least six months. And, you know, unlike networks were at the time, they would have a date and they start shooting, whether they have the right cast or not. We weren't going to start until we had the right four guys, which we ultimately ended up with the perfect guys. But it was tricky. And even, you know, we talk about it on the podcast, but even the night before it came out, you know, the executive who I worked on the script with for a year and a half who gave me all our thoughts said, you know, HBO, we do really smart stuff here. So don't take the reviews tomorrow personally.

I was like, oh, great. I didn't sleep all night. And then the next day, we were fortunate enough. The New York Times said we were the best show on TV. Oh, that's huge. Which a lot of people don't remember anymore. Now that the new world is decided it's, you know, this misogynistic show, which it never was. It was really always about friendship and loyalty and putting these guys in fantasy land.

I'm going to pull a giant drama. Watch, see what Doug's doing here. He's blocking my life. I'm blocking. All right. Sorry. I was late at my key light. bad posture.

I'm getting old. Oh, yeah, y'all. Drive me to drink. How, like the Johnny drama is incredible, right? Like, everybody just loves Johnny Drama, but he's also the example you just gave, right? Like, he is incredibly conscious, self-conscious of everything. He's struggling. He's trying to make it.

Like, how much was that sort of improvised? Because it feels like the character, like, I don't know, Kevin. It felt like you just kind of were, like, riffing and just going, almost like a, like a Costanza type character. He was just getting riled up and in it. Like how much of that was improvised versus written and how did that work out? I wrote most of the stuff and, you know, I ran with it. But it was really scripted.

But it's also, you know, the truth is because one script was written before I meet him. And once you blend with the actor and I've told this story many times, but Kevin Dillon after the first line, I swear to you, I said, if we get the show on the air, this guy's going to win an Emmy. I mean, he was that good. So, yeah, the lines are there, and it's not that that's Kevin, but there's an element of him in there that you just like him. And I just was telling him before we got on,

I get all these DMs about the podcast, and they all keep saying, Kevin Dillon just seems like the greatest guy in the world. I just want to hang out of him. And he is a little bit. Listen, he's a moody guy sometimes, but, you know, he just has that. Talk off, bud. He's got that likability quality that is very hard to. to be, you know, because the Johnny drama character is a narcissist.

He is so self-consumed. You would think people would hate him, but a lot of it came out. There's a real Johnny drama out there, Johnny Alves, one of Mark Walbert's good buddies. And a lot of the character came from him, right? Yeah, I mean, some of the fitness stuff did, but not really, not really the kind of, you be an actor and fitness guy. There was some elements of it.

Yeah, for Mark. For sure, some of the characteristics. But Kevin Dillon really brought that whole, like, just the likability, which is, you know, it's one of the hardest things to do, Piven and Kevin Dillon, have to be these characters that if you wrote them down on paper, you go, I don't want to hang out with that guy, but they both were so lovable because at the end of the day, again,

it comes down to the same thing. You knew they were loyal and you knew they were good people at the core. As the head writer, I mean, how much did you, how much did the characters change throughout the, you know, the entire running of the show from kind of where you expected them to go and the way that they started? Well, I can't say I expected him to go anywhere because honestly, I had no idea what I was doing. It took two years to get that pilot going.

And then they said, go do seven more episodes. And I had honestly no idea how to run a show, how to how to think about, you know, like David Simon. My agent gave me, you know, the wire Bible, which was like 48 pages of what the whole show was going to be. I never did that. I kind of made it up as I went along. That's why things happened. They had the same father at one point, Vincent Drama. Then they had the same mother.

Ari had two kids, then he had three kids. But, you know, I was about just make it the best entertaining 30 minutes. And whoever wants to say, you know, I'm a hacker. I don't know this. That was fine with me. But so, of course, when we started, some of the stuff grew with them. Like, Jerry, I could have never thought by season eight, Jerry would be, you know, have the best body of the guys in the group, you know, as well as become this, you know,

entrepreneur. He started a tequila company. So I definitely had no thought. Lots of that and we just kind of went and it just kept kind of spiraling. I love to hear you say that because it was like it was exactly what it was supposed to be. Like when we would tune in to a new show, right? It was just pure entertainment and it wasn't like if you're getting caught up in the, well, technically, you know, the 22 minute and 15 second mark of season three, it's like, who gives

a fuck, man? Like you're here to just be entertained for 30 minutes a week and that's where you're going to get with the hontrives. So it's cool to hear that you were like, no, I don't care. I'm just going to make it entertaining. I really did just want it to be. And me, you know, you asked about how we were living the life. I was married and I was home at 10 o'clock every night.

But you were, actually, both of us, you know. But I would look through the lens of the camera and I felt these guys this before and sometimes go, God, this is like, I want to be over there, you know? And that was the idea behind the show. And again, people can get caught up in plot or this and that. That was irrelevant to me. You wanted the moments and the vibe and you wanted to go, God, I wish me and my boys from high school could go out to any place, be a famous athlete, be a famous actor, whatever it was, and share it with everybody. Because that's really the key.

I think a lot of why you see it with so many athletes and actors, especially ones from working class towns, which these characters were and where we are from in real life. You know, it's important that you have those people that were there before to share it with you. How much fun do you have right in Ari Gold? you know, Ari and Dylan and drama were the easiest ones to write. I could kind of just spew that out of my heads. You know, Vince and Eric were always trickier because they were real, not realer, but you know what I was just trying to get the moments in, but it was fun to write Ari, which it's wild now to think about it because I do.

Because of the podcast, I've tuned in, I would never write that. People go, could you write that today? Of course, you wouldn't write that today because if anyone spoke like that, in a public place, their careers would be over. So the show still could exist today, but it would have to reflect the times, which that did at the time. Yeah,

we talked to Brian Baumgartner about the office, and he had a very similar take on that, whereas like the office wouldn't have been able to have the same jokes. And, you know, it seems as though that your guy's shows came out at the right time for what it was. Like, they went for more cringe comedy. You guys went for, like, relatable or maybe not relatable,

like the dreams come true type comedy, like where it's like, oh, my God, like you said, I want to be the person in that TV. It's almost like watching your favorite sports team or like, you know, it's such a different field. And when I watch Auturaj, I feel like I'm not watching a show. It's almost like they just turn the camera on like my favorite celebrity. And like we're just going to go through their house.

Well, that's what you first started. People used to ask like if it was scripted, which is a big compliment. People thought like, is this a real movie star? Are these real actors? A reality TV show, yeah. Yeah. And that's a testament because every word was carefully structured and every actor was compliment for the actors. Yeah, the actors were making such strong choices that it was believable.

But one of the ways we sold it in the beginning, which, you know, it's interesting now to debate whether it could play today, there was nothing on television where guys talked like guys that I knew. So it was important. And this is before the hangover. This is before Judd Apatow's comedies and stuff. So I wanted to do guys talking like guys. And again, they were never going to be predators, they were never going to be this, but they were going to talk like real guys talk when they're alone and, you know, whatever. And I think women also tuned into it because of that because they got a real look at it. And now in 2020, you can say maybe it's too vulgar or maybe it isn't, you know, whatever, but it was definitely real for those times. What kind of stuff would Kevin

give you a hard time about? Like, would you ever write certain stuff and he'd come in and complain and and bitch about? Well, I would usually call it in. If I wanted a real change, I'd be like, Doug, can you help me out with this? Can we change this? Otherwise, he would be like, say the lines. So I knew. I had to talk to him in advance.

But by the way, I love... He was pretty precious about his words. But by the way, I love that he... I love that he says, say the lines as if he would. I mean, one of my favorite stories with Kevin Dillon, he was doing this scene, like, in his underwear. In the trailer? In the trailer.

And we had an entertainment weekly reporter on the set, writing everything down. And again, this guy's like, I consider like a brother. But first of all, I didn't even know there's, she was there. No, I know. So I had no idea. There was a, but apparazzi there. I hear it. It's like music.

I hear it the way it's, I think it's supposed to be said. I also hear it. Exactly. I had heard it differently than he heard it. And by the way, he should. Like, it's not supposed to be me saying the lines. That's why I have an actor. Otherwise, if I could do it, I would do it myself, which I could never do.

But that being said, I see it the way I see it. So I was saying aligned him, whatever it was. And I repeated it once too many times. And Dylan, in his underwear and his boxes, comes stormed out of the child. I'm going to fucking kill this guy. He comes charge. That's an exaggeration, by the way.

He comes charging at me. He comes charging at me. And I go, I go, Kevin, there's a writer writing every word down right now. Just so I'm like, just that. But, you know, it's the thing about Kevin and why he's so great, he makes such strong choices the night before, and he's right to. And he doesn't want to, he doesn't, and a lot of actors. I don't want to hear it.

I see it this way. And so occasionally we would bump that. And he's not wrong. It's just, you know, it's two people with their thoughts on what it should be. And once I write it, it really is for him to interpret it. It's just that, it's that simple. You guys had to do the most celebrity cameos in the history of a show. I mean, I couldn't even tell you.

But what I can tell you. At least over 100. Yeah, it's funny. Some people say like, oh, it's, too many or whatever. We couldn't even get cameos in the first season. It's like our first cameo did not show up. Like,

just did not come. Mark Wahlberg, who produced the show. We didn't know if he was coming for the first episode or not. Is Mark really showing up? And then the truth is, a lot of the cameos are because of me. I love athletes.

I love, you know, talented people. So when a famous athlete or a great singer or great actor, I got Phil Mickelson on that. You did? Oh, my God. That was a good.

good story, too. The film... Can you get him on our show? Trying to get him on our show. How'd you get him? No, he's never been on it. He always teeters on. He'll tweet us and he'll like our stuff and he'll comment on our Twitter. But he's a tease. He's a fucking tease, man. It's funny. If you ever do get him on, ask him about how I kicked his ass and pickleball. But there's a funny story about how he ended up on the show, which Kevin ran into him.

I ran into him in San Diego to a place called Bridges. The Golf Corps is called The Bridges. You guys know it? Really great guy. He was leaving the parking lot, and he saw me eye him, and he just put his head low, like, I'm getting out of here. And I'm like, Bill, I got to stop. My dad's a portrait painter. My dad had painted him.

So I was like, Phil, you know my dad pulled, and he turns around and goes, Johnny, drama. Oh, man, I'm a big fan of the show. So he's like, come have lunch with us. So me and my buddy, he's hung out with him and his boys. And we just had a great time. And I said, would you like to be on the show? show. And he goes, I love to be on a show. I love it. Let me call Doug Allen. I called

Doug. I called Doug. Hey, Doug, talk to Phil Mickelson. I handed him the phone. All right. So what Kevin doesn't know at this point, because he only watches scenes that he's in. Ari has a line that says he's melting down like Mickelson at Wingfoot. Okay. I'm never at Wingfoot, by the way. So that has not aired yet. But I'm like, I'm like, you like, the guy's like never going to speak to us again after this. So I'm like. I thought it was an improv line. No, it wasn't it probably. It was a script of light. So, so anyway, the episode, I go, Kev, I can't, I can't in good conscience do this now. So we wait like a year and a half after this episode airs. And then I'm like, let's try to get Phil on the show. We call whoever is agents or whatever. And he's like, yeah, I'll do it. I'm like, I guess he never saw the episode. And then he comes to this set. And he literally looks at me and he goes, I'm melting down like Miklsen at Winkert. And he said, he goes, I'm sitting in my bed, mine in my home business, watching my favorite. show and this comes on. But we love Bill.

That shows what a great sense of humor. He saw that and he was like, oh, I'd still love to be on the show. And he was awesome on the show and honestly a great guy. And pickup ball was fun with him, but I did beat him. And Kevin snuck in that he's a member of Wingfoot here. So obviously you play a ton of golf, right? So what is, what's your number one golf course in the world that you've played and what's your best experience on the golf course? Obviously, like playing I love both of the courses at Wingfoot. They're my favorites because I just know the course so well. but I played Cyprus, which was pretty special.

Of course, Pebble Beach is great. These guys have played Cyprus. That's why they gave a little smart. But yeah, so. What the fuck we're not going to smile to Cyprus? We're just sitting here watching Islander games. These guys are playing Cyprus. Your life is living with a chip on your shoulder.

It's great. Every conference office golf force to get out of it. So beautiful. Was Wayne the top. experience of like playing with a guy or no like another celebrity for both of you yeah i think it probably would be i mean i mean i mean i look again i haven't played a lot of golf and i don't want to i'm not dropping names because it just it is what is but the people i've played golf with because we had them with tom brady and russell wilson and uh jesus great about that too on my lunch break when we were

shooting i got to we played nine holes together after i broke his club they broke for lunch tom's like hey Kevin, you want to play nine? I'm like, yeah, let's do it. So me and Tom had a great time out there. And I played a few. I think we played four or five holes with Phil as well when he was on the show. So, but the Wayne at Sherwood was definitely, it was not only one of the great, like, golf experiences for me is not a big golfer, but it was a great, it was an amazing day.

Everything about it was really pretty special. And, you know, at the time, I had never, I had never met Wayne. And as I said, I'm such a hockey fan that it was, you know, and Kevin also, Kevin was like, if you remember, when we first got there, Kevin was basically like, hello, Mr. Gretzky. And then after two margaritas, he's slapping him on the bag. He's like, hey, bro. You had met him? Yes, I knew Wayne before that. He was still very polite.

I had played with him before that. He was still very polite. We're calling him Wayne. How many times have you playing with now Wayne? How many times? Yeah. I think we played about three times together. Okay.

That's such a name. It's like Wayne Gretzky. On an islander, on an islander warning, though, he did say, I asked him how good was Trotche and he said as good as anybody ever. So that's, uh, and the honest with tonight and that's it. And Bossie back and then no one talks about Basie may be the best goal score of all time. Yep. And I was, I only played like nine years or something like that.

and he has like 600 goals. It's crazy. I don't know the stats, but he's got crazy, crazy stats. I was at the game when he scored 50 and 50 against Quebec,

and that was considered mind bogging. And I think Wayne scored like 72 and 50 or something like that. I'm going to have to go. I got to an island again with you and Kevin. I mean, I love it.

We'll go to my place. I got Borelli's across the street. We've been there for 65 years. I mean, they used to bring the cup across Borelli's. My dad was standing on top of the roof going crazy every single year. So we have to,

recreate that. Hopefully, hopefully they let us do it if we win the cup this year with all with COVID and everything going on. And Kevin, you and I will go play wing foot. We'll go play wing foot. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, let's do that. Well, you know what we got to do, we got to do a fucking scramble against these guys. Yeah, we do. We do a four-man scramble. We do a four-man scramble. And so we played against Kevin Kisner. So it's like all four of our shots against his just one shot. We beat him at Pinehurst number two from the tips. Oh, yeah, we beat them. Are you kidding me? Pretty good, man. We're fucking one and oh.

Barely beat him, barely. Well, you guys bring your four. We'll do the odds versus a four play guys. You guys bring your four. You play one ball. We play our one ball and let's get it done. I think that'd be a great time. All right, good. Connolly's playing every day now. So I may, I may just coach. All right, so there's your ring here. I guess we got a run. We got to be our catty.

I guess we got another, I guess we got another bar sport, bar school sports thing. So we got to get off, unfortunately. But thank you guys for having us on. This was very cool. All right, boys. Thanks a lot. And good luck with the show, Victory of the Podcast. Check it out.

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