Fore Play - Episode 300 featuring Alfonso Ribeiro

Episode Date: October 20, 2020

We take a trip down memory lane, reliving some old stories and monumental events that got us where we are today. A huge thanks to all our listeners and followers who helped get us here. Then we’re joined by Alfonso Ribeiro (41:26) who, once again, gets enthrallingly analytical about the golf swing. In Headlines, Phil Mickelson was mean to the Champions Tour, Jason Kokrak broke through after 230+ PGA TOUR starts, and Tiger Woods is back this week!You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

Hey, 4Play listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. I got a guest who's also back, who's one of our favorites? He did a lot to our brains last time that we had him on in a great way, tons of passion, enthusiasm, and analytics about the game of golf. Alfonso Ribeiro, Carlton, he's the best. And he came at us from an RV on the road where he's been golfing, all around the country during quarantine since COVID, all of that.

And once again, we kind of just hit him with like one or two questions. The next thing you knew, we're 30 minutes in deep in the golf swing and planes and swinging around your body versus vertical and up and down. And he explains it better than anyone I've ever heard of my entire life. So stick around for Alfonso. He's really, really good yet again. I feel like we formed an even tighter bond than we had the first time around. So stick around.

He's coming up in a few minutes. This is our 300th episode. So Jake Bass, who is our producer, one of our two producers along with Brendan Jones. Big shout out to those guys. Inform us a few weeks ago that, hey, your 300th episode is coming up. That's pretty crazy, town. I didn't think about that. So I went back and actually found the first ever recorded podcast that we did, which was just Trent and myself.

It was February 1st, 2017. And we're going to throw that clip in right now. and then we'll talk a little bit afterwards about sort of how far we've come and how insane it's been. Foreplay. It is Waste Management Phoenix Open Week. First episode, golf podcast presented by Bars Tool Sports. Trent and Riggs. Trent, how do you feel? I feel good. I feel good. This is a by the common golfer for the common golfer podcast. That's kind of the tagline. Kind of a perfect week with the waste management because that's, I mean, as rowdy and as common man as you can it's as it's as Trent and rigs of an event as there is totally bunch of guys drinking throwing beers

16th hole is wild bananas as some would say uh starting someone would have said that we should have started like the first episode with the first big term of the year at troy pines no no no we're going to do it waste management win this is the kind of tournament that our people go to also very helpful that we didn't start because all we would have talked about is how tiger was going to win and then he would have missed the cut and embarrassed us yeah it would have been it would have been a bad lesson to go back to instead it's much easier to be like you know talk a little rear room year situation we have we have results that we can talk about so shout out us we're very very smart uh getting right into it just to tell people about the podcast a little bit we are more than anything gigantic fans of the game

we follow everything in the game we love to play the game uh it's not a pGA tour podcast it's a little bit of everything that you could possibly imagine in the world of golf podcast is going to be very communal. We're going to be asking the listeners, the readers, to be getting involved, sending us things that we're going to talk about. Like you said, it is, it's a little bit of a cliche with the whole parcel thing, but it is golf podcasts by the common golfer for the common golf. People should know we went back and forth a lot about what kind of format we wanted the podcast to be. Do we want it to be strictly PGA, where we just update on everything that's going on? Do we want it to be heavier on, you know, weekend hacker stuff? And I think we're going to try and do a

nice blend of that, which will be, which will be a good, good change for a golf podcast. We're going to mix everything together and obviously it's very funny, very interesting to hear just us two idiots with no clue what's going on, what's going to happen, what we're doing, just basically say that out loud. And then also one of the, one of the few things that we did say about current events in the first two minutes of that show, the first one we ever did, was how we're pumped that we actually started waste management week and not the week before at Torrey Binds because Tiger Woods like missed the cut and his future was so uncertain and it would be a few months after that that he of course would hit rock bottom people didn't even know what was ever going

to happen with him ever again he has since we started that show gotten the DUI gotten arrested won the masters interacted with us it's like how many things have happened just with that man in his life and and thinking about how much has happened with us since the then and how many different shows that we've done from the Barstool Classic. The Barstall Golf Society has almost 100,000 members, the four-man scramble, the battle against kids, the country guys, which that video is out now, all the behind the greens, us being credentialed at major championships, all of that coming from the beginning of that show, adding Frankie, adding lurch.

It's just crazy to think about how that was three and a half years ago and everything that's happened since then. Yeah, I actually haven't listened to the clip that we put in this podcast, so those people heard it and I have not. I can't imagine what we sound like. That was, I mean, we had all, we'd done like a little bit of podcasting here and there, but that was definitely the first time either of us had undertook an entire podcast and we're like, we're going to lead this thing and hopefully it goes well. So I would imagine we just sound even differently. Yeah, I mean, we've come a long way. Things seem to be going pretty well. I think you put on the, uh,

the rundown sheet, uh, rigs that we invented YouTube, which we did. We, we now got some more upwards of like 90,000 YouTube subscribers. it's been, I can't believe that it's been 300 episodes. That's just, that's so many episodes talking golf. But it's gone well. You know, we're on the up and up. We're a rocket ship. So, fucking, hey, 300 episodes.

It's a fucking ton of episodes. Now, I've been on like the sidelines and now part of it for, I don't know how many, but obviously being Riggs's roommate. Was that the same winter that you were on like Time Magazine because you played the golf pole and the snowstorm? That was what, I mean, that was an early rocket ship, if that's the case then because the publicity that that got is you being put on the golf guys and honestly in parallel of having no idea what you're doing by playing in the winter in the city

just has so many lovely kind of inter like tangles that it's just perfect on so many levels and so that was all the same winter that is just exceptional for a kickoff point great story really good story how that whole thing came to be before we get into that just a reminder that owens mixers that that's another day the transfusion we have our own drink now. We have our own cocktail golf cocktail. Cocktailed mixer drink with our logo, uh, with our logo, golf, barstool sports, all of that being on its own drink, which you can go check out at Owensmixers.com, store.com store.com. Your local store, go check it out, get involved. Use the code barstool 15 for 15% off. We love their other flavors as well. So big thanks to Owens. They sponsored the match against

Jake Owen and the country stars, which go to our YouTube page that we described. And please watch that ton of production and editing went into it. These guys knocked it out of the park and did a great job. But that was probably a month or so after we launched the podcast. And it's a very good story because we went out, we looked up, you know, everyone knew it was like a mid-March blizzard in New York City, which is very late. Like if you don't know the climate in New York City, we don't get snow in March, let alone a massive blizzard. And everyone was talking about how this blizzard's coming in. So we were like, hey, we're trying to.

to come up with creative ways golf, new video series. We didn't do any good video at the time, golf related. And we're like, what, let's go out, let's grab some golf clubs, and let's just play a golf hole or two that we invent. And it looks like the blizzard's going to be its worst at about three in the morning. So like, we grabbed Bob Fox, who was our producer at the time, who was gone on to much bigger and better things now. He's Mr. M.M.A. He's boys with Dana White. He was our producer at the time. That's how he got his foot in the door. He went out there with the camera, me and Trent Daddy went out there and just like with tennis balls and golf clubs

were just hitting shots in Times Square and one guy asked us he's like hey do you guys mind if I take a couple of photos of you guys? We're like no that's actually we're out here to just get attention so that's perfect do that and so he takes a couple photos we didn't think anything of it nothing

we filmed our little video it's pretty good we were pretty happy there's also now it's like 5 a.m. So we go home, go to sleep, sleep in a little bit so now it's 9 or 10 a.m. by the time we wake up and that was a Time magazine photographer or someone who at least was like licensing and selling photos so they had put it on their Instagram with 20 or 30 million followers and it just said like man plays golf in blizzard or something and it was me and Trent and it was everywhere and so that

was a huge part of us kind of blown up because the I think like golf digest did an article on us like who are these idiots playing golf in the middle of a blizzard uh so yeah I had completely forgotten about that. That was wild. It's really interesting when there's like borderline events that like not the world's going to end but like the streets are going to be cleared. The only people outside are photographers. Like I remember we ran into like four or five photographers. Like we were dressed up. We had our golf clubs and we thought we were going to be the only people out there shoot a video. But then you see these people on empty New York streets or in Times Square taking pictures. It's very strange. And also, Robbie Fox was our producer at the time. And at the time,

I don't think he had told us that he has this thing called rainoids, which is it's where you don't get blood flow to your hands and your hands get very cold very quickly. And we took this fucking, he was probably 17 or 18 at the time, this kid into the blizzard, into the snow, holding a camera with or without gloves, I don't remember. And he didn't tell us that until like a couple months later that like his hands almost fell off because his hands are badly killed. I'm now living in an apartment with Robbie Fox all these years later. Life is so different. It's so crazy. but like he's like he'll be sitting in this apartment and his hands will be purple because he has no blood flow and he was out in times square fucking shooting a stupid video with us it feels like

a hundred years ago man he couldn't move his fingers for like two weeks after that and we had no clue we just didn't know it might be the only guy more frail than frankie that i've ever seen in my life like he's another guy that's just skin and bones for whatever reason yeah he's like in better shape than i am because at least he's got that like emo thin look i've got the of the blubber going right now, which is tough. I can't wear tight shirts because I look like, I don't know, I don't even want to describe what I look like. We all know I'm gross.

But yeah, that does feel like it was years, like many, many years ago, like 100 years ago. Because I remember when I was in the office, that was back in the time when I was afraid to even leave the office. Like, I remember I slept at the office that night because of the blizzard. So I, like, slept on a couch. Like I brought like extra clothes contact solution, like a fucking pillow. And I'm like, oh, I'm just going to say,

stay there. I can't miss work tomorrow because like we're going to go do a pizza review in the blizzard. Like it'll be funny. We ended up going to champions pizza, I believe, if I remember correctly. And we were just fucking walking through the streets. It was almost like the streets during the pandemic where no one was in the streets. And New York City was completely dead. So yeah, that was crazy. I remember you guys going out there. And that was when I didn't even, I wasn't obviously part of the podcast. I wasn't even close. I remember being like, oh, those guys have a pretty fun job. They get to go fucking talk about golf all the time. I remember I slept in, because we slept at the office,

I slept in Erica Nardini's office. I slept in, we all found, like, different places to sleep. Yeah. That was where I landed. I didn't even realize that you were also there that night. I think I was in the podcast studio. Just a couple of guys sleeping at the office. Yeah.

Crazy. Frankie's first show was actually 2017 Masters after Sergio Garcia won the Masters. And Frankie had the only ticket. He was the only one able to go in that day because Trent Daddy and I were doing the pre-show and the poke show. and we had to like live tweet about it and all that. And we obviously, you don't have phones inside Augusta. So Frankie went in. David left the day before.

Frankie, you went in at 7 a.m. put up a chair and had the day of your life. That was when we did the cap like you were a sailor leaving the port. If you haven't, if you're a newer listener and you don't know like the origin of Frankie starting to come on to the podcast, you have to go back and listen to that master's recap

because it is still one of the funniest things we've had on this podcast. You had like a photographic memory and it makes sense. It was, you know, it's Sunday you're going to the master. So obviously you're going to remember everything. But the whole thing is just fucking laugh out loud for it. Yeah, no, the Sergio, I was waving my hat like a fucking 1940 sailor. It was, it was crazy, man. It was a hell of an experience.

I think at that time you guys knew I was a big golf guy. I remember Dave. So I was attached to Dave. I still am attached to Dave at the hip, it seems like. So like everywhere he goes, I go. And at that time, he was like, oh, like we sold this thing. this like pre-round show with like this guy, Smiley Kaufman, like at Augusta. I was like at Augusta.

He's like, should we go? Like we have to go to it. I was like at Augusta National. Like he's like, why, you're a big golf guy? I was like, I mean, do you know like what's going on? He's like, yeah, we got tickets and everything. We're going down there. He's like, yeah, we got tickets and everything.

I'm like, what? What's going on? It's impossible. So that was like the craziest. That was at the time and probably still to this day, like, when people are like, you know, what's the craziest shit that's ever happened to a bar stool. A lot of crazy shit's happened to me, but I feel like that was

the craziest. Just getting handed a Sunday ticket and being like, hey, your boss went home, you get to just go enjoy the masters by yourself inside Augusta National for the day, and you're going to go there and you're going to be able to maneuver your way around by yourself and see the winners and just, it was crazy, man.

And I'll never forget, too, I got there, like, yeah, I got at like 630 in the morning, and fucking Condoleezza Rice, Conalisa Rice secured the entire 18th green with like every single one of those little chairs that you can put in. So a little inside info for those who don't go to Augusta National every year, you're able to secure your seat.

If you're a member there, you can secure it, I guess the night before you're allowed on the grounds. Like when patrons aren't allowed in there, you can't put your seat down. And it's an honor system. So you put your seat down, you get to leave.

But it's like your own little foldable chair that you buy and you put down. It's a great little racket they got going. You buy an $80 chair just to sit there. It's nuts. and and I remember getting there so early. I was like one of the first people in line and Condoleezza Rice already had a thousand chairs there. I'm like, well, this is the most rigged system of all time.

You can't get close to 18 because the members have bought a thousand chairs and put them around the green. That was so stupid. So I didn't get anywhere close. It's funny because we had no, like the plan wasn't to send Frankie in and then report back to the five. No. When you finally were able to reconnect with the world afterwards,

I think you tweeted something like, The World Won't Believe the day I just had. And then you were just frantically texting me and Trent, like all these highlights. And we were like, why don't you just talk about it on the podcast? And that was the first time you were ever on the show. Another surreal moment that I was just thinking about was the Mulligan Challenge, which is the following year. Like we just brought up a random from the guy,

which in that clip that I put in earlier, Trent and I talked about how, hey, we decided like, this is not going to be a PG&S. GAT tour podcast. This is a podcast as much about a professional golf. It's going to be even maybe more about kind of weekend hacks and what you experience and what we feel and think. And a big part of that is from the galleries, people sending in from the galleries. And one of them that I read was just like, how many mulligans would you need to win the U.S. Open? And we just started debating it on the show. And eventually that got to Dave. Dave said he could win the U.S. Open if he got unlimited

of Mulligans. We got in a heated debate about it on Barstall Radio for like a whole week. And then the USGA, Craig Annes, who's the head of branding, marketing communications there now, sent us an email that just said, hey, I saw the debate, come try it out at Shinnock next week. And if that doesn't have, we end up getting credentials at the U.S. Open. Then the PGA of America is like, well, we have to credential these guys now. And if that doesn't happen, who knows if we're even close to, you know, as big and lucky as we are. So the whole, you could go back through all these different incidents, and it's pretty wild how it all panned out.

But it's funny that at the beginning of that show, we said, we're not going to be a PJ tour podcast. And then for a while, boy, were we not a PGA tour podcast. A moment, we considered getting a Harley for the day in leather jackets and taking photos about how we were the bad boys at golf because we've been banned by the PGA tour. Yeah, that was luckily things of the ice has been broken or it has thought. But yeah, I remember there for a while. It was not looking good.

But 300 episodes, man. Holy fuck. Yeah, I mean, we were blacklisted by the PGA tour. Like, we had filmed a video that they didn't approve. You know whose fault it was? You know who this all goes back to? Buda Ben. It goes back to Buda Ben because we did not have credentials

of the dessert classic when we were going to shoot that beef jerky video. And he was, I remember Buda Ben being like, just walk on, act like you're supposed to be there, act like you have credentials. And that's exactly what we did. We walked right by the security guys with Buda Ben leading the way. And we just got in and that set off a domino effect of us just getting blackballed by the PGA tour. We had no credentials anywhere ever up to that point.

And here we are at the Zurich Classic. The week after Justin Rose almost won the Masters, he should have won the Masters, like Sergio somehow beat him. And we almost just knocked him off the sidewalk of the Zerk Classic because we were so behind the scenes where we weren't supposed to be. We film a video that we did not have permission to, film. It was a great video. It was pretty funny. It was with beef and with Kyle Rifers about bonding and we did trust falls because it was the first time they're ever doing a team event

on the PGA tour in 30 years, whatever it was. It was a great video. PGA tour made us take it down because you didn't have permission to film this. We were not happy about that. So we actually called them Pussies for making us take it down. And then they called and said, we're never going to work with them because they called us Pussies for making us take it down. And then we told that and called them pussies for calling us. So the whole thing was not a good start with the PGA tour. We, you know, we sense, like you said, mended bridges, I think, a little bit.

We were probably in the wrong in a lot of ways in that instance. We had to grow. We had to learn to mature. We have very good friends over there now. We have a much better relationship than we've ever had. But it's been an interesting road. And we're somehow doing 300 episodes lurch. We had to lurch to the show simply like when Frankie was tied with Dave at the hip

and Trent's grinding out floggs and bats. I'm out there playing a lot of golf, and Lurch was a guy I played with a ton. So I was like, rather than just tell other people about the experiences, Lurch and I have a lot of these golf experiences together. Probably makes sense to speak about them together on the show. That's how Lurch kind of got his put in the door. And now you're the anchor, I would say, of our four-man scramble team.

So the whole thing, the whole story has been wild. It's, and I'm just thinking back through it all, and it has been wild run. It's been a wild run, but just being your roommate, Like I remember hearing Frankie running around the masters by himself. And I think like Riggs or maybe Frankie, maybe we touched on that at one point. But that'd be like, you know, a high school kid getting their driver's license and like pulling out of their home property by themselves for the first time because obviously you do so much with Dave. And then he allows you to run around for free and you're at this like the most pristine or beautiful place in the world that you can be at.

And then Riggs, I remember talking with you about the Mulligan challenge. And I remember like you were like, we had this interesting debate. and I actually think it was around the time that there was like a battle of like what would you rather face like four grizzly bears like a thousand something else that went wild but remember we talked about that one night and I was like I think we just came to the conclusion that like Dave just simply does not have the game to win like he can't make you know the clears that you have to make on that golf course to like get his ball in like a decent area so I was so shocked about that Mulligan challenge but it just goes to say like Like as you pick up momentum, other things like kind of like pull towards you, obviously, because you and Trent started something like so great. And now where it is today, it's just kind of a fun, like layman's term in terms of like talking about golf what it is and how people appreciate it. It's funny.

Ollie Snyderjans was our first guest ever, which I, like, I don't think we've talked to him since. We just DMed him from Barstool. And we're just like, hey, man, we're starting a golf podcast. Do you want to come on it? He's like, yeah, absolutely. I think that's the only time we've ever communicated with it. Yeah, I remember asking about what kind of shampoo he uses on the road because he doesn't wear a hat.

He's one of the few guys on the tour who doesn't wear a hat. So we wanted to talk about his hair and we just figured out what kind of shampoo he used. People listen to that show had to be like, at that point they're probably like, what the fuck is this? Great question. We need to get back to the roots of asking questions like that. That's a fantastic question. His answer was he uses whatever the hotel room comes with.

That's what he said. Why don't you pocket that one and use that for the next? Yeah, I agree. That's a fantastic question. Also, he's a guy that doesn't even, like, bump his hair up. His just kind of, like, mats down a little bit, you know, on his head. So for him, it's even a better question. But I agree.

Getting back to the roots is Frankie said us, that should just be a conversation starter. Glad you're here. All we can see is your face. What shampoo do you use? Yeah. Yeah, we can't be talking about how did you shape that shot into that back, right pit. Like, we need to be, tell what shampoo you got out there? What is that?

That stuff looks pretty good. What do you got in there today? But yeah, it's been quite the ride, completely unexpected. I will say that Trent and I were pretty confident at the time because there weren't a ton of other options. I mean, there just really weren't. So if you were, it was in the podcast craze. Arsenal Sports was getting more and more into the podcast game. It had been, you know, less than a year, around a year since we had been acquired by Chernin.

So podcasting is huge. And there just weren't a ton of golf option podcast. And so we were pretty confident that we would be different than any others and have a pretty good platform. But for it to be where it is now, we listed a bunch of those things. And the fact that we're credentialed at major championships, that we've been credentialed at Tiger Woods, you know,

made for TV events where we get to have interactions with him and his guy behind the scenes. Anytime we show up at a major championship, Robbie Mac is pulling, you know, one of us aside and telling us what we need to do differently based on the videos that he's seen of our golf games on TV. so or on YouTube, which is the thing that we invented. So it's just, the whole thing's been wild.

Well, 300, honestly, the creation of this podcast is huge for me personally because it legitimized my move to New York. I had just moved to New York. And I had, we were, I was obviously a blogger. We were doing the first iteration of a Bachelor after show at that time. So I was on that. And then I was doing the golf podcast.

So it was like, it was a good thing to help me be like, there's a reason I'm here. Like I'm moving to New York. Not just blog, but I'm doing shows and podcasts. And so the success, of this thing was huge for me from a career standpoint. It was maybe the biggest thing by far. So it's huge. And if Ohio doesn't win that football game, I don't know if Ford play exists. Like Trent wouldn't have been in New York. So how would we have started? You need a collaboration.

You need to sit down and chat with somebody about golf. I was employee number 19. Trent, you were probably employee number what, 12 or 13 or something like that? At that point, at that point, we were the only two guys at the company, you know, camera facing, content facing, whatever you want to call it, that were public, like that we liked golf. So we were the two natural guys that were buddies. They're like, yeah, let's start going. So if you didn't get, if Iowa doesn't beat Michigan, that was who it was, right? Michigan against Dave.

Yeah. If Iowa doesn't win that football game and Trent doesn't then get the green light to come to New York, Ford blade might not ever exist. And none of this would exist. So, again, the different events that have all gone and fallen the right way for us to be where we are, it's outrageous and a minor miracle. Shout out to Keith Duncan. He is the kicker for Iowa who put that last second field goal through those uprights,

and I went fucking crazy. So shout out to Keith Duncan. Without Keith Duncan, foreplay doesn't exist. Also crazy how far Barstles come. Like you guys say, like a lot of people listening to this podcast probably have no idea. Like the grind it's been working at this company and how fucking awesome and the highs

and lows. Like, fucking you were employee number 12. at a now half a billion dollar company. Riggs was employee number 19. I think I was employee number 28. So like think about this like crew of like top of the first 30 workers at a company that probably has like 300, including like offshore interns and people that are working for other podcasts.

It's probably over 250, 300. I would, right? Wouldn't you guys assume? Yes. Yeah. In the office alone, we have about 200 people. The business floor has 100 people alone.

So it's crazy. and it's like all the different walks of life that you can come from and like this isn't like a sucking our dick at all like it's crazy that this even works the fact that like i was fucking just filming dave pizza reviews and then we all like golf you were just You're blogging about fucking Iowa football and boobs and coffee or whatever the hell you made. Oh shit. What a throwback. Yeah. I mean, I was a tread reader before I saw it here. I'm not going to lie.

And then Riggs was doing freaking history and he was writing politics blogs and writing about Hope Hicks. And every time Donald Trump, he went to freaking, he went to the Brexit. I mean, like what is that? Like that? You were there when it happened wearing like a ridiculous outfit. I forgot about that. That was the first video I ever pitched today after he hired me was like,

hey, I'm going to go to England. I'm going to go to London. And they're having this huge vote, this Brexit thing. There's a chance that they leave the European Union and it's going to throw the whole world into this crazy tailspin. I'm going to go there dressed in red,

white, white, and blue with an American onesie. And I'm just going to go around with a camera and see what happens. And I met Gaz at the airport, the night before we had a red eye at London. I'd never met Gaz before. I knew who he was, like public sales, whatever.

And I met him, and he's like, all right, what's the game plan? I was like, I've never been on a camera before, but like, I think I could be funny. So, you know, we're just going to run around London and film for a day or two, and we'll see what happens. And when we left, because we didn't have Wi-Fi for six hours or it was. When we left, it was like, yeah, the vote's going to be close, but it looks like they're going to stay, which is going to be significantly less, you know, dramatic in terms of filming a video and the reaction.

We're like, all right, well, we'll see what happens. It should be interesting. we land at 8, 9 a.m. local time. The prime minister announced that he's resigning. The markets were in, it was chaos, and we were like, holy shit. So we sprinted, we went to, we went to all the different landmarks. We had like the London Bridge. We had the parliament and just ran around and filmed.

And that video did it extremely well, actually. But then a few months later, it was like I was hosting with Kat Timp and with Dave Portnoy election night coverage. we were throwing it through we threw it to like Caleb and those guys on the bar stool I was producing that thing I was like 21 years old sitting there and Dave's like oh put on this earpiece and try and get all

these people he was like you gotta get eat that pussy 445 that guy from Philly so he's like you gotta get him on you got to get um Tico Texas on I'm like I don't have any of these people Paula Duka Mike Portnoy we had a guy at the Republican National Convention who was in there.

I think, this guy's name's Will, great guy. Yeah. Dude, Frankie, that was the first time you and I ever spoke

because I get through to me. I was wearing a corn outfit and I was wearing a lone survivor t-shirt drinking rumplemans. Like you guys threw, like, you're, because Iowa was like an important state.

That was Frankie's like, hey, uh, Hey, hey, Trent, this is Frankie. I'm Dave's guy.

I'm gonna, we're gonna throw to you at this and this time. Fucking chaos, man. Knowing you now, knowing how much probably anxiety you had about that phone call makes me laugh so hard,

like thinking like, You're sitting there in a corn outfit like, okay, when am I going live? Like, let's go. Let's do this. I remember sitting in my kitchen. I had to move the table out and I put on the corn outfit. And then at the time, a show called Lone Survivor was like hot in the streets, which is basically like you are the person we put aside in the government who if everything goes crazy and everybody dies,

you're the lone survivor. So I put that shirt on it. And we were sponsored by a different liquor company at the time. It was Oak Park. That's right. Oaks and Coke. Oh, my God. So I put a piece of paper.

over the Rumpelman's bottle and I wrote O'Kart on it. It was a fucking crazy night, man. Yeah, man. It was a lot of. It was crazy. You know, I had moved to New York in September. So this is the election's only two months later. I didn't know really anybody.

And it was like, hey, Riggs, you're our political guys. So we're going to be the biggest production we've ever done. We had like Big Cat and PFT were doing all their different like bits, their buffet of bits over there. Yep. Doing like they were doing the internet girls. They were like, hey guys. They were the Canada boys.

They had all the. So we were throwing it to them. them, like, you're going to kind of anchor this coverage. I was like, all right, like, we'll see. We threw it to the weather or to the map girl at one point who was not the most. Periddle lash. Yeah, it was Heronelage. That's right.

She didn't know where Florida was or Texas. They're like, all right, like, they're like, all right, Florida's going to Trump or whatever it was. And then she's like, okay, she put it on just like Oklahoma. And we're just like, no. You got to know Florida. You got to know. You just got to know. She's like, I know it's somewhere over here.

Like, that's just so wrong. So, wrong. Another night where, like, we had this huge production. And according to all the polls and the odds, it was like, yeah, Hillary Clinton's going pretty much win convincingly. And it'll be. And then it was a couple hours in the night. It was like, oh, no, this is going to be the most monumental night in the history of

American politics. Right. And here we are, you know, drinking rum and coke's up there. And that was just, God. So the fact, again, that we've all gotten. to this point. And like Frankie said, not to like to chew our own horn. It's actually the opposite that. We wouldn't, none of this would exist if we didn't have listeners and watchers. Like we, the fact that people have tuned in from week one, continue to share the show with their buddies,

with their friends, with their families, tuned in week after week after week for 299 shows, now 300 shows. The fact that we show up to golf course or clubs and people, some degree like know who we are to us is the craziest most bizarre and and cool thing that's ever existed and again none of this like none of it exists if we start this podcast and we get four eight 12 episodes in people just aren't listening like we just cancel the podcast we don't we don't have the budget we don't have the ability the resources to go try to film videos to go out and stay all week at Pebble Beach or at Bethpage Black where we're able to be on site and trying to get content with players.

Like, we wouldn't be able to do any of that if we didn't have listeners because we wouldn't be able to pay the bill. So the fact that you guys all listen, support us, buy the merch that we put on sale, that you jump into the YouTube chat, even if it's to roast us when we go live with a video, that you join the Barstable Golf Society and you're trying to break 80 or 70 or one of these guys shooting 58 at Frankie's major championships, whatever it is. Like, you guys are the reason we're able to do it. So obviously a big thanks to all the listeners from day one.

But, yeah, that was a little trip down memory lane right there. And it's, I can't even imagine like how many dozens of huge incidents that, in events that we just didn't even remember right there that got us to where we are. It's pretty, it's pretty wild. It's pretty wild. Crazy, man. It's also like, Barstle just puts, like, Erica and Dave just put, like, confidence in you and just let you do something.

It's crazy to me that they've allowed. it to just get to this point of just being a big podcast like something is small like for like a little peek down the curtain like you do this fucking video game thing like oh yeah like a bunch of people in this video game and erika's like love it let's do it like i'll be on a meeting tomorrow with two k like let's let's get this done like like this literally the CEO of half a billionaire company will care so much about every little thing you're doing and then like that one time that day will retweet something or whatever it legitimizes everything that we're doing so it's like but it's crazy how many pieces have to come together for that to happen because there's a

lot of people that try stuff at barcel it just unfortunately doesn't work out and it's like once it does click though it seems like you you have a lot more confidence to keep going going going which is really cool that we're able to do that and it is it is funny because it's i know that from on the outside it looks like the coolest company to work at in the world and it is but i would say for different reasons and because like i started reading dave in oh eight oh nine probably when i was in college at harvard no big deal and to come all the way from being on the outside, being like, these guys just sit around and, like, talk about the world like we do,

except they get paid as their job. That's so incredibly cool. And being on the other side of it, it is extremely cool. But it's also, it's inspiring to see, I would say, like, Dave, Big Cat, PFT, KFC, you know, Keith, all those guys, those handful of guys for the entire time that I've been there to see, like, how successful they've been. and what goes into it. Like, I don't think I've ever been to the office,

and Big Cat wasn't there grinding or working. And, like, he's one of the biggest media personalities in the world now. And Dave, like, I haven't ever logged on to Twitter, and that guy's not doing something that's related to growing basketball sports. Like, he's live for 10 hours a day trading stocks. Then he's all of a sudden in Philadelphia gambling on sports. Then he's doing pizza reviews with Frankie all week. It's like these people behind the scenes, and like you just said with Erica,

it's like she doesn't stop. not working. It's like how is she responding to my emails because she's actually acquiring new podcasts, acquiring new businesses, launching drinks, like merging with this. So the amount of work, I would say that goes into it is something that I didn't quite expect, but it also is the coolest place to work in the world because they give you the opportunity. No one has ever given us direction on what to do with Foreplay. It's more been like, here are the resources. And if it works, we'll continue to provide the resources. And if it doesn't, we're going to be honest with you and tell you. And luckily for us, it's just worked and we've had the resources and it's

continued to grow and grow and here we are. It also takes an insane amount of trust to put people in those positions who were very much not doing that beforehand. Like all of us had very different real life jobs. Like none of us came from another media company covering golf than to coming over to Barstool. Like, I think I said on the last podcast, I was a security guard. Frankie was working at his family's restaurant. Riggs was, I don't remember what were you, cold calling people? Like it's, and then to put people. And then to put people in positions where it's like you can be the face of our of the barstle sports golf brand and then just go do it is it takes an incredible amount of trust and all the credit in the world to dave and erika

for doing that it does it does and you're right like we could have blown it right like we could show up to some of these tournaments and just completely embarrassed barcel sports and the name of barcel sports and it's you know we try really hard to to uphold that reputation that dave built of this company of what Barstool stands for, you know, to try to build good relationships with people in the world of golf. But we have made mistakes before. Like we said, with the PGA tour, like, we blew that. We probably messed up that relationship for a while.

And that probably hurt us overall. Luckily, like, we've made friends there. We made good connection. So it is just funny. But also, we found a lane that, like, all these fucking people are like, don't you know how to talk about golf and the intricacies of the game? It's like, well, actually, we like, they're like, you went all the way to Australia and you did nothing. It's like, well, actually, like, we found out that if all we need to do is get engagement,

because, like, we get sponsors that care about engagement. And we found that, like, people that are fans of us, and we explain this to old golf media, people that are fans of us just want to see us dapp up the legend that is Tiger Woods. And even though that makes people so angry that that works, that got millions of views, which then turns into money, which then turns into more sponsors. So it's like we found the lane of just being regular people on golf courses. I'm never going to sit there and break down someone's fucking golf swing. And if that's the type of content you want, then Barstle's not the place.

Like, that's not the place. We don't do that for any sport in any, in any aspects. So it's like the fact that we're able to do just what we want in golf is the thing that makes me the most happy. We don't have to try and be other people. I feel like if you work at other media companies, you have to learn how to speak a certain way. And you have to like have that, we are here at Pebble Beach, California. You have to like learn how to speak like, not that like Jake Marsh comes from, Jake Marsh, who's on stool streams,

and he absolutely roasted Ben Severance, lurch and ping pong. He, like, went to school for, like, that voice, but he's able to, like, twist it into a very funny bar still way where he talks about us playing cornhole and ping pong. But, like, that, like, we never had to do that. And that's what makes me most proud of working here is that you just get to be whoever the hell you want.

I can go out there and talk about my grundle getting smacked by a couple of fucking balls. And then people are like, oh, like, what the hell is that about? Like, I've never heard anyone speak like that on a golf board. It's like, oh, yeah, cool. Then there's a, well, we found a pretty size. sizable trunk of the audience to hears you say that and they're like that's pretty funny and that's interesting I'm going to stick around like if you yeah we're not going to break down the swings do you want that go somewhere else go somewhere else we want to and it's like and it works because

clearly there's a sizable audience for the way that we do talk if there weren't like rick said we got canceled yeah the market has determined that we do indeed actually know how to talk about golf like that is in our own way right we have that's just what it is and thank god it because it easily could have just determined that we don't and which case we wouldn't have this job and we'd be doing something quite different. So again, that answer and the thanks goes to you guys listening. Those of you that have listened to us take this little trip down memory lane, you're the reason that we're able to continue to do it. And we take it very seriously. We try to come up with new ideas like the Barstall Classic, like the different

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Fonzo, Ribero, a good friend of ours. We're going to talk some golf. It's going to be very fun. Alfonso. Good there. What's up? How's it going, man? How are you guys doing?

Good. Surviving. We're living. Yes. The crew is back together again. We are back. One of our favorite guests. What's up?

I'm good, man. Good to see you guys again. Hell yeah. Thanks for doing this. We're excited to chat with you. Absolutely. Absolutely. I remember our last one.

It was a great one. Oh, yeah. I still got my head. My head's still spinning. I still haven't quite recovered from that, but I'm looking forward to clearing some things up today. I got you. I got you.

I got you. Let's just, I mean, let's just hop right in. There's really no need for the theatrics. We had you at Alfonso, Alfonso Ribero, America's funniest home videos, catch 21 the game show. We had you on earlier this year,

and Frankie was just alluding to it, but it was a phenomenal chat. One of our favorite guests that we had, we went deep into golf, and you did kind of spin Frankie off the planet talking about his golf game and his approach. Yes, which was a lot of fun, which was a lot of fun to do. It was, it was fun to spin his head.

I didn't think I could do it. but I was very excited that it was done. I appreciate that. It's something that I always look back on and I say, you know, that was just such a weird day. I walked in there being like, you know,

we're going to talk a little golf. I walked out of there not even knowing my own name. I didn't know that it was going to turn into that, but like I said earlier, I'm looking forward to talking more with you because it feels like every time we talk to you now, or like we've only talked to you once, but like we're expecting to get mental knowledge of golf now

out of Rufonzo Riviero, which is a world I didn't think we'd live in, but now it's like you are our mental golf coach. And like this is where we're going to get, we're going to get you right. We're going to get you right. We're going to work on it. Let's go. Let's get into it.

Let's get into it. So quarantine. Did you, do you play a ton of golf during quarantine? I feel like you're a guy that would have been out there a lot. I didn't play a ton of golf. I played a little bit. I obviously, I went and played the American Century up in Tahoe. I did play the pure first tea at Pebble this year.

year, you know, obviously with all of the new, you know, protocols that they got to do, it does work out. You know, golf to me is the one sport that you can social distance and it works, right? Like, you don't have to actually be near people to play golf, you know, at one point we got to be at the hole and at another point we got to be at the T-box. And if we just stay six feet away from each other, it works. So, you know, I actually, this thing behind me is a big old RV that I bought. I bought it in June and we've been on the road ever since. So I've been actually playing golf courses around the country. I went and played the Greenbrier and West Virginia, went and played TBC Sawgrass and Tahoe and a bunch of golf courses all

around. So I've gotten a little bit in, a little bit. But I also bought a simulator during COVID, during, you know, quarantine. Just so that I can get my head right. I got to get my head. I got to get my head right. I needed to hit balls. That's hell of a trip, man, buying the fricking RV and going cross-country. What was the, what's your favorite golf course been that you've played on this trip so far? This is one stick out. Nothing sticks out because a bunch of my played, I hadn't played the Green Briar before, which is a fantastic golf course.

I actually played the other, the valley course at TPC Sawgrass. Oh, wow. And I got to say that I think that course is actually better than the stadium course. Wow. So if people go like, it, it, it, it, it, it, it doesn't but it's a solid golf course i know that the um that the corn ferry tour played there like a week before i went and i was i was really shocked at how good that golf course was it was a solid solid golf course um i just played i just played uh pains valley tiger's new course at the

uh big cedar lodge um a wonderful uh resort course right like of course of course of course of course of course So that's not a, I don't think that's a course you're going to have a championship at. But in terms of a resort chorus, they did a fantastic job there also. Yeah, I was, so I've been there twice the last couple weeks. And it is like we had, so I went for a bachelor party. We had guys that were everything from 36 handicaps to like five handicaps. And it was everybody's favorite. But you are like the fair, the fairways are like 80 yards wide.

So in terms of having a championship there, probably not going to be the case. But in terms of people just loving it and enjoying it. Yeah. well i also said when when phil he didn't play pains valley he played the other golf course but that golf course that phil played when he played before the played on the champions um as soon as i learned with the golf course was like i was like yeah phil's going to win it because you know obviously on the pGA tour you got to put that thing in play but you got to put it in a fair way that golf course you could hit it 80 miles right and left and still have a shot at the green well if he can keep the ball in play

his iron game and wedge game is second and none. So, of course, he was going to play well there. I'm really interested to see what happens when he goes out and plays other golf courses that those guys play that are a little less forgivable off the tee. Yeah, Phil likes to blast it around all over the place. So that's why wide fairway courses, we're big fans of as well.

Speaking of Phil, you mentioned Greenbrier earlier. Did you do any falconry while you were out there? Because that was still big commercial for a long time. I did. I did some falchemy while I was there. I've got some cool things I posted about it. You know, they had a big old bald eagle just come in and fly between me and the kids and the family and just like right down and through. It's actually quite cool to do it.

And it's scary when you're the one holding it, holding the thing that it's going to land on because it's a big bird. And when they give you a little look, they look you in the eye like, go ahead. Go ahead. Do something. see what happens. And so it's a little scary. I ain't a lot. Man,

I did not think you're going to say yes. I didn't see that coming. That's amazing. You didn't expect the Falconer me, huh? No, there's almost like a joke and then you actually did it,

but it does look really cool. No, it's cool. It's very cool. Like, and there's no place to do it other than, you know,

the Greenbriar because Phil said it. Right. There was that commercial that they would run and Falconer was a big, big part of it. So I'm glad that you part

in that activity. Yeah, when you go to the Greenbrier, there's certain things you've got to do. Falconry, play golf, and hang out at the big, in the big, the big house. It looked like a big old white house. What was the inspiration behind the RV? Where'd this come from? Literally, my wife came in one day. I'm sitting in the toy room with the kids, and my wife rolled in and was like, babe, I want

to buy an RV. And I was like, what? Like, what are you talking? You want to buy an RV? it's COVID. Like, we're supposed to stay stuck. And you guys,

I'm sure know who Mark Paul Gossler is from the old Save by the Bell and was on, he's on mixedish. And she goes, well, Mark Paul just bought an RV. You should call him and talk to him about it. And I'm like, well,

what, no, why am I calling him to talk about an RV? I'm not buying an RV. Of course, she won. I called him. And he broke it down to me.

And he goes, look, think about what you spend on vacations every year. And if you go on vacations anyway, you're going to basically be able to do that for years to come without spending that kind of money that you normally spend on vacation. And you're going to do it now. You don't have to wait two, three years from now

when the world opens up again, and you'll be able to do it. And we talked about the type of RVs that he was looking at. And I found the perfect one. I found the one that I thought was perfect for me and my family. and the numbers made sense. And so I went, all right, let's buy an RV and RV around the country, because that's the kind of white guy I'm not.

Do you drive that thing? Absolutely. Yeah, you get a license. I got a license for it. Those things are no joke, man. You got to be able to bring the walls in. The tires go up and down. We drove an RV when we were going from like our little,

We have like a fake little band that we have at Barstall. We were going from place to place. And like, I couldn't believe how hard it was to drive that thing. Well, you got to know what you're doing. I tell you, it's weird how YouTube can be so informative when it comes to learning how to do certain things. Because I was like, all right, now, you know, I've rented them in the past, but I didn't know how to drive them. It's really, really simple. The rear axle is the pivot point.

Right. So if this is the rear axle, everything in front of it, when you make a right turn goes right. But everything behind it goes left. So you can't get all the way over because your back end is going to swing out. Right. And you can't turn like you would into a normal corner because you'll crush the middle of the RV because it'll hit a telephone pole or light pole or whatever. So you have to just have to make sure that your rear tire is all ready to the intersection before you turn. And, if you do that, the rest of it's relatively simple. In my mind, I've already crashed that thing. I've already broke something. Remember I said, we were going to spin some, we're going to spin. I just did it with the RV, not with golf. That's it. You got me.

You got me. Because I was confused by your explanation. Going back to the mental side of golf and since you're already screwing with our heads, what's something that you were able to do when you were locked inside the house, right? Like, do you have any little tips and tricks for, you know, you have, the famous one where it's like look at the hole as you're practicing putting and then look down at the ground what's something that i can do when i'm watching tv or maybe i'm stuck in the house i can't golf you have the simulator now are you able to do anything do you do anything in your house i do

i do so the simulator now one of the things that i'm working on is how to create a longer period of time in which the club face is square through impact right so everyone's talking about bryson de shambo right and everybody is like you know what's he doing and now he's talking about going to the 48 inch driver um the reality is is that his club face is square the entire swing right so the the if you have less facial movement opening and closing you're going to hit the shot obviously better so the things that i've been working on now is my spine angle really getting myself over the ball as much as possible so that the club doesn't actually come from the inside as much. It's coming down the line a bit more and it has a higher finish, right?

So this year I played in the pure first team. And I said to Steve John, who is the tournament director, runs the tournament there in the AT&T, I said, can I have Colin Montgomery? And he was like, well, Colin's actually open and we were talking about giving you Colin anyway. I said, perfect. because Colin has the most upright and upright finish of anybody on tour. And I'm like, I'd like to watch that for three days because that's exactly what I'm trying to work on. I'm trying to work on finishing as high as possible so that the club face isn't rotating around my body as much.

So I got really, as you guys kind of know, I'm kind of technical. I worked incredibly hard during this offseason. I guess to work on trying to make the club stay down the line a bunch more. And mentally, one of the things that I've always struggled with is because I can hit the ball over 300 yards, I want to do it on every swing. And what I'm finding is I don't need to hit it over 300 in terms of trying to hit it over 300. I'm typically hitting it over 300 when I'm not trying to hit it over 300.

because I'm not because the power is happening at the right time. I spent a bunch of time during a full week. I actually went up Steve Young, the football player for the 49ers, is my daughter's godfather. And so we went and I actually spent a week with him working on his golf swing. And we made humongous changes and leaps and bounce. I mean, his game totally transformed. And one of the things that we were working on, right, is mentally not trying to hit it so hard.

When you try to hit it, your power is in the wrong spot. Phil Mickelson said to Steve, because Steve actually golfs right-handed, and he's a lefty. He goes, that's perfect. He goes, you're just utilizing your power in the wrong spot. And that was one of the things I was trying to teach him. and I blew his mind when I showed him, and here's the trick, right? And if let's say you had a golf club, I'm going to use my phone, right? And you have it like this, right?

And so this is the head and this is the handle. And if you take the club and you just drop it, right, and then let go. And as it's dropping, you pull up the handle. What you'll notice is the clubhead will go extra fast because it is it is the opposite of down, when you turn it and pull it up, it create more speed. And most people are thinking, like a baseball player, around your body, right? It's not around your body. It's down and up. Utilize the down as you pull down, you're creating the speed. And if you can get it to come back up before impact, you create that whip at the bottom that creates that extra speed. So we worked

on that. He got a lot of his distance. He was square because he was. just not thinking around his body, so the club face was square. You nailed that. You're talking to four guys that literally don't work on anything. When I go to a golf course, I think it's probably the same for everybody. Our thing that we're working on

is trying to break our record before, like in terms of our low score, but we are not working on anything with regards to whatever you just said. It makes sense, though. It's like that pendulum. You always talk about that, like, it's like a pendulum of speed.

Why are we trying to create it with throwing our arms at it or like we should let the club do the work man the whip action and that's what i did i literally showed him a club i let the club start to drop and as i let the club drop i raised the handle and the club whipped through the bottom and he goes whoa whoa whoa do that again i did it again and it whipped through the bottom and he's went one more time and he and after he goes dude you just changed the way i think about the swing it's a completely different concept because he's thinking about rotating the hands

and how quickly and you know it's like a football player when you throw the ball you're you're got that whip at the end and he understands the whip he just didn't understand where it's coming from he's thinking that his hands needed to do it by turning it over and that's where the speed is where his speed comes from the ground

you see Justin Thomas right and you see bubble Watson they're off the ground at impact right their feet have left the ground. Well, what's the purpose of that? Because they've already done the down. Now they're using their whole body

to jump up off the ground to create the bottom end of that swing to create more speed. That's the concept of power. What Bryson is doing is just keeping this thing square the whole time. He's utilizing his body and he's doing the same up and down motion,

but he's doing it with everything staying square and less movement of and rotating of the hands. That's the concept. If you're not rotating the hands over and you're just allowing the path to go through, if the back of your hand is the club and you backhand somebody, you know where it is. So you're backhanding the ball. That's an easy move to make. You can make it every day.

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You bring him up. Are you the biggest Bryson fan of all time because of how analytical and, you know, all this stuff that you go into the mental side of it? I love Bryson. I think what Bryson is doing is, you know, the problem with most games that have been around a long time, baseball, golf, is for some reason we fall in. love with the idea of the past. Like they were just better in the past, right? Why are they better in the past? They're not. Right. Right. Like Ben Hogan was amazing, right? But he wasn't Phil Mickelson.

He wasn't Tiger Woods. He wasn't Jack Nicholas. He wasn't Arnold Palmer. At the time, he was amazing, right? But we've gotten better. Technology has gotten better. And we're utilizing different things to be better, right? The players of today, right now, I would take any player that's in the top 50 in the world, take him, transport him right back to Ben Hogan's time, and he would probably smoke Ben Hogan. Okay, because they're better athletes, right?

I agree. And it's like, so the idea that we don't want to mess with golf because golf is this historic sport and baseball is this historic sport. We don't want to make changes. But sometimes making changes is how you find new plateaus. You find new great ways to make things better. If you're not stressing the limits, you're not actually working hard. You're not trying to better yourself.

And just because someone else did it and it worked for them doesn't mean that it's the only way to do it. What I love is that Bryson is going at it in a way. that is changing the way people are thinking about this game. And why not? Why not? I mean, here's the thing. It's a great story. Regardless of whether he achieves all of his goals,

what he's doing is a great story because he questions everything. He's taking things that we don't even understand and putting it into his calculator and making adjustments. He still has to make the swing, but he's putting it like, a computer, right? He is a physical computer and he knows he's putting all this information in and he comes out with what he thinks is the right decision. And I tell you this, ever since he's been

on the tour this season, he hasn't really played badly. He's been right there almost every tournament. So you can't say that what he's doing isn't working. It's certainly working. Is it the right thing for everyone? Of course not. Right. Like I ain't trying to gain 40 pounds. You know what I'm saying? Like I'll take the disses, but I want the 40 pounds. And, and, you know, I ain't trying to be up here and be, you know, Captain's swole a lot. So I just, you know, I don't want to do it. But we've, but we've, I've talked to him many different times about things that he was working on and the single length shafts and his putters. And we've talked a bunch. And I congratulated him the night he won and, you know, his major. And so proud of him and proud of him. And, and proud of him. of what he's doing. I think that people need to stop fighting it and listen to it. And you don't have to do everything he's doing, but don't condemn a man for saying, I think there might be a better way. And I'm going to try to see if it's the case. You respond to the people that talk so much about feel and artistry in the game of golf. Because clearly, you know, you're a more

analytical person. Bryson's taking a super extreme analytical approach. What is sort of your take when you hear someone talk about, well, I wish that guy would get a little bit away from track man and the numbers and focus more on feel and playing the game of golf? Here's my question to them. Why? Real simple question. Doesn't really, doesn't really, it's why should he do that? If that's what works for him, if that's what works for someone, then that's the way they need to play it. right? Like if my brain sees it artistically, then that's how I need to play the game. If my brain goes, that's 42 yards. This shot goes 42 yards, then that's the way I need to attack doing something.

There isn't a right way for everyone. There is a right way for you. And if you understand the way you think, then you have a shot at being better at what you're doing. I've always been a visual learner. I've always been analytical. I have to think that way. That's the way my brain works. And when people say, well, just feel the shot, well, what does that mean? What does that actually mean? Feel the shot is you're taking certain calculations.

You're putting it into your own computer and you're then doing something. All I'm doing is adding more information to that same thing that you're doing to make sure that I am that much more specific. that's it. It reminds me of like I play the drums and I was never a good reader of music, but the way that I would get the beat is if I listen to it, listen to it over and over and over again. It's the only way that I can get through it. So if I really couldn't get through a sheet of music,

I'd be like, hey, can you just play this for me really quick and I'm going to watch you do it? And then I'll get it. So I guess that's the same, like, same feeling of like, you know, it's a feel thing or watch a guy do this or like, let me hook you up to this machine, do it the right way. Sometimes if you put Trent up to a track. man he may not know what the hell you're talking about he's like i have no idea but if you show him like kisner did or he's like he actually kisner went up to trent and actually moved his thumbs and his knuckles around

and now trent i mean his perfect baby cuts on the fairway it's in it's amazing and it's because he needed to feel it he needed to see it right like when you look at a track man you look at the numbers for most people they look at the numbers they're like what is all that mean i have no idea what that means but I understand what every one of those things mean, and I also know what the numbers should be in relationship to the other numbers and what changes I need to make to make those numbers fit into a parameter that works best for the sweep. Here's the reality. All this up here, over here, over there means nothing. Everything is about what happens at the bottom, right? how do you get there? How do you bring the club to that position with the speed that you want? It's real simple, right? That's what you have to get working. So if a club is coming from the inside, guess what? Don't let it come from the inside. Take it to a higher position. Let your arc start further away from behind you so that it comes down and it's not coming from the inside. If you're coming over the top, right, God was a game of opposites, right? Real simple.

move. I think that when I see people hit a big old slice, I go, you're just stubborn because there's no reason to be to have to hit a slice. There's no reason, right? Not a slice. Fade, one thing. Slice, that's ridiculous. You're just stubborn. Here's, here's a simple trick. You have a slice. Yeah. As you stand with your head, your club in front of you, take the club away from you out. and let it drop in and then turn through the ball. If you do a big old loop, you can't come over the top. If you take it inside, you take it back inside, where are you going to go? Where are you going to go?

You got nowhere to go. Wham! Exactly. It's a forehand, right? When you go to take a forehand, you don't take it back in here. You don't drop in there. You take it out. You drop it under.

And then you come over the top. that is a draw. That's actually how I was taught how to hit a golf ball was basically thinking how to hit a tennis ball. It was the same method. And it really worked for me. But it's interesting that you say this. And honestly, I sit here almost perplexed, confused, and amazed

about you talk about these things. Because the things I want to work on and the whole time I'm just listening, I'm like, how do I implement this? Because one thing that I want to work on is exactly what you're trying to do is get the club face through impact, square for long.

and I never thought about standing up over the ball or getting more over the ball. And I know we don't have much time left, but man, I want to know more about how you're even going about that. Well, if you, if you, so think of it as as a one plane or two plane swing, right? A one plane swing is your shoulders are rotating like this while the club is rotating like this, right? That's a two-plane swing. single plane swing is what tiger brought into in there was other people before him but he made it super popular is when his shoulders are rotating on the same plane as the shaft of the club right so why does your putter have an angle oh oh we lost them to the RV park we lost it's going to be a secret forever

yeah it's like a teaser listening forever listening a father Rubiero's hand is is held at an angle right now He's really about to get to the most important part of what he's about to say this whole entire podcast. He's out of here. It's just a tough break. He's one of the most impressive golf minds I've ever listened to. All of his buddies have to be 10 shots better after they play around golf of them, right? He really just right in the middle of that demonstration. It's a golf genius.

I feel like, though, if I went right to the range right now, and there he goes. Dang. I would have to take this information, digest it and then go out because it's almost so much. I want to try that little flip, that little tennis swing. Here he comes. Oh, man.

We lost to get the most important part. Your hand was like this. Your hand was like this. I was like, what happened? I was like, what happened? I was talking pregnant. But basically, you know, they make shafts at an angle. There was a legal angle because it would be too easy if it was straight up and down.

a 90 degree angle. So they have to give you, it has to come around. So the more you get on top of it, the more the club is going to be square through impact. The more that it's at this angle, if you took a baseball bat, you're swinging around your body. If you're getting over it,

you're swinging up, you're swinging down and back up. The club is going to stay square longer. It's just, it's physics, right? Like it doesn't, this isn't about what we're trying to do with the swing. It is just physics, right? So where I think it's going to be interesting, even with Bryson,

Bryson going to this 48-inch shaft on his driver is it has to go around his body more and he can't take it up and down as much. That's going to be interesting to watch because the only way for that driver to actually sit square on the floor is for him to stand up more and not be as bent over. Why are wedges shorter? Because they want you on top of the ball so that you can come down. down on the ball more so the ball goes up in the air. Why your four iron longer doesn't go as high isn't just because of the grooves and the face angle of the club. It's because if it's longer,

it's going around your body more and less up and down. The more you can get over it to go up and down to cover the ball, as they say, you'll come down into the ball. The ball will go higher. The ball will be hit harder, stronger, and it would actually have more spin rate, which will give it stability in the air. Why do you make so much sense? Why do you make so much sense? One of the greatest minds of his generation. You are without a doubt the podcast guest leader who makes our listeners stand up while

they're listening and try to figure things out. I guarantee you the by far. You're the man. Since we have such a great mind, I have to ask you, and this has been a huge debate on the podcast, if you've listened to an audio book, are you allowed to then say that you've read that book? Yes. Oh, no.

You can say I read it. Like I've read this book. Oh, yeah, I read this book last week. Well, the interesting thing is what, how are we looking at it, the word read? Right? Like, right, right? It's really what you're asking someone is do you, do you know this book? Do you know what happens and have you gone through the book?

Exactly. Now, exactly. Right? So, so, so I didn't read the book, but I read the book. It's nice to finally speak to someone. God, damn. He said verbatim what you just said on like last podcast. Well, because the way he said, he was like, he goes, I'm listening to, it goes,

I'm listening to audio books recently. And I read this book last week. And we said, well, now hold on. You didn't read the book. No, you read it. He didn't read it. He didn't read it, but he read the book. Welcome to the English language.

That's right. Exactly right. Yeah. It's the only, see, the idea of I read this book is I took in the information and I know the information that this book gave me. Not that I sat down and actually read. Like, I didn't read it, but I read the book. I have the book. I have the information.

And if you speak to me about the book, I then will be able to respond because I read the book. I think Briggs gave you two a word for words. One of the great minds of our generation to a Tuesday of his life. Yeah. Steve's Tuesday evening. Genius.

Just celebrating the whole way through because of the Christmas made him what he said. It was just perfect. What a genius. What a smart man you've proven to be. Alfonso Rivera. We really appreciate the time.

We know you guys. Always love it. Always love it. Everybody's got to watch AFV, especially this Sunday, our premiere, October 18th, 7th, 6th Central, ABC. It's going to be a great one. We're doing some different things because obviously we've got a social distance, so we can't have an audience,

but what we're doing is resuming an audience into the studio. It's got a new look. It's going to be great. We've gotten more videos than we've ever gotten before. So the videos are fantastic. It's almost like a special episode every episode this year because we've gotten sometimes five times the amount of videos that we've gotten in the past. So it's been pretty, you know, obviously the world is falling apart, but we're getting more funny videos.

So I don't know. We all need a reason to laugh, right? What time is that a deal on? Yes, yes. It's 7-6 Central on ABC. Awesome. Everybody go check it out. You're the man.

We appreciate the time, as always. Absolutely. Love talking with you guys. can't wait to do it again. Thank you, man. You got to get it. I can't wait for the next time. Listen, I'm about to go read a book.

Or will I have read the book? I don't know. We'll talk about it next time. Thanks, man. All right, guys. Pleasure. All right, big thanks to Alfonso, as always, for joining the show. It's like we can't get off the phone with that guy or off the Zoom.

in that guy. He just wants to go deeper, deeper into the game into the analytics, into the swing, and to help us out. I do wonder, like, what do you think his patience level would be with us on the golf course? Do you think he just loses his mind and how he'd get frustrated for sure. But I also think he likes our company. Like, he at the end of the interview was just like, I love doing this, man. Like, we were getting text messages from reps and being like, you got to wrap up in five minutes. Like, I don't, I think he would stay on for hours. He also is a very, he's a high energy guy. so maybe he'd like our craziness, like just keep it going, even though we're all over the place. Like maybe he'd like that, like the fact that we're very animated because he's an animated

dude. I also think he's like a great teacher. Like the way he speaks is very clear, concise, and I think he likes doing that. So I think he would appreciate trying to help us out because I don't think any of us would just be like a joke and not actually try to do what he's like wanting us to do. Like we just like humor and try to do it in that very moment. But I don't think he's like humor. he'd be upset at all. And Frankie, I totally agree.

And he would have stayed on and chatted why his kids ran around the RV for another hour. Like, he had no agenda to leave. And, I mean, I think if there's a time to chat, it's probably when you're just hanging in the RV for a few months. It probably gets a little monotonous. I do think, too, we're guys that would benefit dramatically from dumbing it down. And he dumbs it down just perfectly. Like, there was a moment when I was on the tea this past weekend where I was struggling with the driver for usual. and I just said out loud, I was talking with my guy, and I was like, you know, if I just deliver the club face square with a neutral path, the ball's just going to go straight.

Like that's just, like, it's just going to do that. And then I just drove it straight, like five holes straight? She's like, no, no, you know, actually like, what's going on back here and up here and what it looks? No, it's just like if this little face is just square that way and then just comes through at a neutral time, it's just going to go straight. what it's going to happen. And so I think him dumbing a town for us on the course could actually get some pretty quick results. Speaking of, you know, results, data, maybe presenting things in a very easy to understand way. We talk about whoop all the time. We're all on the whoop train. We've had the bands on for months now. PGA tour procured thousands of these things since Nick Watney.

You know, he, his whoop band gave him information, hey, we're looking at the signs. Looks like there's a decent chance you might have COVID-19. He did when got tested, he did. And so everyone on the PJ tour, they're all rocking the whoop bands. We love the thing. We're obsessed with it. Every single morning I get up, I check it. I want to know how I slept.

I want to know my recovery level. It's amazing how much my recovery level A is dependent upon alcohol intake. So you really, to order to get yourself in more tip-top shape, you're going to want to obviously figure out ways to get that recovery level higher. Trent found that out with his sleep when we had Will I met on here who just told them, yeah, maybe if you don't pound 30 pounds of sugar right before you go to sleep, that you'll actually have less disturbances. And that just like works. Like those things just improve your situation. And I've actually noticed a ton, like when my recovery level is higher, how much more mentally I'm actually able to. to play better golf.

You know, when you're out there on the course, you're struggling for a few holes in a row, and you're just like, your brain just can't hit your body, you just can't handle it. You're like melting down. Like, this is, how am I going to recover?

Versus if you actually have a high level of legitimate recovery based on whoop, you're able to kind of withstand these things and get through it because you have recovered to a degree that you're ready to tackle the day. And if you don't, you're kind of fun. It also reaffirms how you're feeling. Like my recovery today is at 97%,

which is incredibly high. So I would obviously be feeling good today, even if I didn't have whoop. But I look at that 97 and I feel like I can take on the world. I feel like I can do anything. So that's a nice feature. Like you said, I'm obsessed with the sleep feature. I have, you know, been, I haven't been great and not eating sugar late. So my disturbances have been up.

But it just proves it every single time I do it. I eat late. Oh, Riggs is at 84%. That's pretty damn good today. That's pretty high recovery. I would say my sleep. Oh, you nailed it. 100% sleep last night.

Did you reverse the numbers? Because usually I'm always less. I always need more sleep than I'm currently getting. But it looked like you got more sleep than was needed by 10 minutes. He did. Why do you think I'm about 100? Oh, my God. You can give back 10 minutes.

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Join our little team and check out how everybody's doing. Okay. We've got some headlines to get through. We'll probably have to push some of the friendly gallery to the second show this week. We've got a bunch of good ones that I really would like to go through, but we got some headlines to get into first. Phil Mickelson just goes out and dominates the senior tour again.

Two for two now. is it awkward? I don't know if it's awkward that he's just going out. I mean, he beat Mike Weir. Like, I think we could, I could beat Mike. So it's like, it's a little bit, you know, but it's fun. Like, what are we doing here?

It's mean. Mike Weir. I said it last time. It's mean. And now my, I've been proven right again. He's two for two. He just shows up at these senior tour events and wins.

At what point is it like a, like a cat playing with its food? Like when it catches a mouse, he just paw on at these. guys and he wins every single week, obviously it brings eyeballs to that tour. It's, I mean, you're not going to get a bigger name right now on that tour than Phil Mickelson. So I get why they want to have him involved. But the flip side of that, if he just shows up and wins and makes a mockery of it every

week, if I'm on that tour, I revolt. And I'm like, we don't want Phil Mickelson. You got to throw hands. You got to throw hands until he, like that tour is for guys who can no longer cut it on the PJ tour. Now you go to an easier circuit. You maybe have a better chance to win. And Phil Mickelson has completely disrupted that entire thing.

Shows up every week and is like, yeah, I can still play on the PJ tour. I'm just going to beat you guys into submission and then head out of town. And it's just, it's got to be horrible for those guys who are on that tour. I mean, I watching Golf Central last night. And when they're like, oh, let's cut to the Champions Tour highlights. And they pan to Phil Mickelson standing in the fairway with Mike Weir with his fucking stack and tilt, hitting the ball out there like 2.30. And Phil's fucking, oh, here's Phil.

hacking the par five with like a pitching wedge in his hand and hitting it at 20 feet. And then they go to the next hole and Phil's just hitting it over these trees and it lands right next to the pin on a par four. And I'm just like, and then again, they cut to Mike Weir who's like slapping it down the I was like, what, what fucking plan are we on where this guy gets to claim now, you know, he's 50 plus and go just destroy these guys and win every week. It's hysterical. I love it.

But it's a little, it's like it is mean on some degree. It's like go, he could just play on the PJ. He's going to play in the Masters in a couple weeks and probably, you know, make the kind of a decent chance. And he's just killing Mike Weir at weekend and week out. I meant to look this up. What kind of checks is he cashed winning these tournaments? I'm going to guess 280,000. Yeah, I really, I did mean to look that up because I'm very curious on how much money he's getting from these tournaments.

$280,000, we say it often on the show, that's nothing to sneeze at. That's a pretty good chunk of change. Phil, though, I mean, like for Phil, he may just be given that straight to, like, his assistants and caddies and stuff. Like, that's not going in his bank account. That actually adds to how mean it is that he's- Where he might even rip up the check and never cash it. He might never get that money.

Dude, winner's share, $305,000. Pretty good. That's amazing. But like Frankie's saying, for Phil, he might, he'll throw that check into a drawer at his house and never cash it. Yeah, but that's probably on the PGA tour, that's probably a top 15 finish, something like that. Like, you have to have a good week to cash $300,000.

Oh, I think you have to have a better week than $15. I think you have to be top 10. I like, I'm trying to. Probably. Yeah. Like, that's, when you equate it to like, I just got to, you know, and we're just throwing haymakers at my,

I mean, he did win the Masters, like he's not nothing. But when you're acquainted to beating Mike Weir or trying to get a top 10 finish on the PGA tour facing every young up-and-comer in the world, I'll tell you what, being Mike Weir sounds way easier than that for the same check. Look, that's why it's mean. I feel bad that we're kind of taking ricochet shots. Killing Mike Weir right now. Because I know we got a good amount of Canadian listeners and I actually want Mike Weir.

He seems like a completely nice guy. And there's a great story after he won the Masters of like a, all those Canadian boys got shut down the clubhouse to like two in the morning that night. So I think Mike Rear's great. I'm just, I don't think he's won anything anywhere they said so in 2007. And now Phil Mickelson is out there competing against Mike Weir. And it's just like it's a laugh.

Also Mike Weir, like I should be staying up from Mike Weir because he's the lefties, he's Canadian the whole thing. But listen, like the meter part is that Mike Weir is like the lefty of the champions tour, right? Like that's his thing. He is lefty. Like, all right, Phil. still lefty of the PGA like let me have this we talked about that stat where Tiger you could add up

all the fucking wins on PGA tour history of all the lefties ever in the history of the world and Tiger has like what like more wins or something is either more or like I think it was more or just around the same than all the lefties ever um so like the fact that Mike Weir is like this like lefty legend and then he's on the fucking seniors tour just like just walking around being the lefty. People may say like, lefty, and he's like, walk around laughing at people. And then Phil comes around and beats him like this. He's just taking every little ounce of his thunder that he could possibly have at this old age, like at the end of his career. Just let him have this. Let him go off into the distance. Like you said, master's winner, good Canadian boy.

He's got a nice little unique thing going. Then Phil just dominates him. I will say, shout to Mike. We were taking home $176,000 this week. That's pretty good. That's pretty good for Mike Weir, you know, who's 50 years old now out there, like, like I said, slapping it around, just getting absolutely mollywop by Phil Mickelson and he takes home 176K. Like, that's great for Mike. Phil personally stole $80,000 from Mike Weir this weekend. Took it right out of his hand, took it right out of his pocket. Phil Mickelson, Phil McIgelson does not have to be there.

He doesn't have to be there. And he, but he shows up, he wins. I forget the number already. $250,000. 300. He took them 300K. He took $120,000, $130,000 away from Mike Ware for no reason. It's mean-spirited is what it is. It is.

While we're talking about Phil, announced that on, I think, what, November 27th, I want to say, is the date that we are going to have a new version of the match, which is going to be Phil Mickelson and Charles Barkley against Steph Curry and Peyton Manning. and it's Friday, November 27th. So again, it's that Friday after Thanksgiving, when there's not really a ton going on. It'll be interesting. The big elephant in the tiger woods is not just not in it now. They swapped curry for Tiger Woods,

and that seems like a tough little swap in the golf world. Yeah, but all you need is people who can bust balls. That's a huge part. True, but they have people that could bust balls, and they had Tiger Woods in there as well. That's fair, but you're going to have a guy like Charles Barkley who already has all this golf interest with his crazy swing over the years. And he's one of the best ball busters on the planet.

So I get that not having Tiger Woods on the marquee is people are going to be like, well, that's not as good. But I think he got a pretty good group there that's going to draw on a lot of people. I do too. And look, anytime the Tiger Woods is competing, it's must watch. And now he's just not. So that's going to change it. But in terms of the kind of the integrity of the product,

I don't know that. Tiger Woods is not the greatest on camera of like chirping and being an entertainer. Like Tiger's an entertainer when he's in a legitimate competitive realm because he's the biggest savage of all time that wants to win, brings out fist bumps, brings out the swagger. He's walking in puts. He just walks like he's going to dominate everybody. He's a machine. He's Darth Vader entering the desk. He's the best.

And then when you get him in this mode, it's like, oh, now you need to actually go out of your way to try to entertain. He's just not, like, natural for him. And so it does hurt the initial draw. Like, I'm less inclined, everybody's less inclined to actually go through the motion of turning on your television because Tiger Woods isn't there. But I don't know that it's really going to hurt the actual product because I don't think that's Tiger at his best in those things.

Yeah, and Peyton Manning was the real unsung hero of the last one. Him on the mic is as good as it gets. So you still got him. got Barclay, you got Phil, who's obviously a huge draw. And Steph Curry, like, it'll be, I'm most interested to see how those guys interact with each other. So am I. So, and it is, like, at its core, it's, it's kind of a cool look.

Like, if these, if you found out these four guys were playing golf together in California, like, no, no cameras, you would be fascinated to be like, what is that like? What are they saying to each other? What were the teams? Who won? What was the format? Who put, like, you'd be fascinated to just learn about that. And so the fact that it is playing out, you know, for made for TV and it's watchable is cool.

I think that they've evolved in the last two years since the first match with Phil and Tiger in a great way. Like every one of these has gotten better. The one at Paines Valley, I think for everyone was pretty much the best one. They just let those guys talk. They had the AirPods in now and they were just chatting. And the announcers had very little to do with it outside of showing sweet drone footage of Paines Valley, which was very welcome. So overall, I think it's probably going to be really good. but it's missing Tiger Woods.

What's not going to be missing Tiger Woods is Sherwood Country Club this week. Zozo Championship obviously moved from Japan to California because of the COVID-19 pandemic. Tiger Woods is the defending champion, and he's won at Sherwood. That's where he won in 2011 when he came back. It was his first win since the little hiatus in like a couple of years. And so he's clearly had success there before. I got no fucking clue what to expect from Tiger Woods at this point. I mean, a year ago we were all sitting down together in our red shirts and black pants.

and shaking each other's hands like we were at Sunday Church, and it was business as usual because Tiger Woods had just won his 82nd PGA Tour win. Then a couple months later, he goes to Australia where we were, and he's fist-bumping us after dominating the best players in the world. And then since then, we haven't really seen a ton of positive signs of golf life from Tiger. So I don't really know what to expect. He's also going to be, I mean, really the next two tournaments he plays in, Zozo and a little get-together called the Masters tournament.

He's going to be the defending champion at both of those things. so I don't really know what the hell to expect, me honestly. I just hope that he, in his mind, thinks I'm playing in the Zosso because at the last Zosso, that's about as good as he could look. Those irons he was sitting at the last Zoso,

obviously different course, different everything, the world is different. But if he can just get into his mind that he's playing in the Zoso and he plays like he did last year, he might fucking win again. He looks so good at that last Zosos, so good. I mean, then what he looked like at the President's Cup,

it was like, this is gravy. And now, like, he was so good at those events. And now it's, I just hope for the best, honestly. I don't, my mental state of where Tiger is and my expectations are just a supportive fan, not with no expectations, but the goal is to really maybe, you know, make the cut and play well. Hope Tiger has fun out there. I hope he really has a fun time. Yeah.

Honestly, it's pretty light on the hope and what's going on in Tiger's world. That was nice. That was awesome is what that was. I tried to be, you know. It's out there to have a nice walk. Catch some sun. I still demand excellence. Like I don't, if he's out there and he just doesn't look better than everyone else, I'm sad.

It affects my being. It affects my weekend. It's just like, it's a bummer. And I hope and pray that that's not the case. Like, I, like, whatever is, whatever is not right, the tiger that he can't just be the best. like he just like just fix it and then just when you appear just be better than what else again that's sort of what i what i demand and i don't i don't know if we're going to get it i i hope that we do but he's even the way we talked about with Trevor it was like yeah he needs to be

healthy first that's another thing like i don't think tigers have looked the healthiest the last few times we've seen him at the u.s open and then also at pains valley so i hope i hope that he's healthy and I think if he is he can win both of these and I also if he just missed the cut at the next two events I don't like I wouldn't be stuck so I don't know what the hell of it need him rolling going to the masters it's just as simple as that that's the way he's going to win him if if he gets any sort of momentum going into November it's over for everyone in the Augusta national we need him in like a top 10 then like leading going into Sunday in the next event and then it's like holy fuck august is in two weeks you know this guy's coming out for blood these are just been

tune-ups i'm feeling pretty good about tiger i think he's a man with a plan anyone that's looking against him or voting against him or rooting against him or voting him out of contention already before even steps up to the first tee like lurch i'm not on that side i think that this guy's coming to win or at least get his momentum started for that late november masters i think you just misheard me but either way yeah i mean i think the best fact that we could have is if there was a ripple effect of good golf in the tour. Because like if he got to the Masters, having had a good Thursday round, well, then after people are like, oh shit, like, is Tiger healthy? That's great. And it would start to make his ripple. But if we could see some good

tiger golf going into Augusta, I think at least that would put a little like caveat in everybody's brain of like, oh shit, like tigers like somewhat here and healthy prior to the event. I think that would really help his chances by putting a little air of like unsurity in all the golfers within the tour rather than it happening on day one. Yeah, because it was interesting how it happened with the Masters last year. Like if you go back to him winning at Eastlake and then the next week at the Ryder Cup, he looked awful and didn't win a single point. And he really didn't look great again. He ended up withdrawing from Bay Hill and not even playing Bay Hill. And then all of a sudden built a little bit of momentum at the match play. He made it all the way to what, the semis. He beat

Roy McElroy and built some momentum. So then it was like, okay, there's a little something there. And then once he played himself into contention, and it was like, oh, he's just, he's the best player of all times. So now he's just going to win the tournament. So I think you're right. Like, he is also such a momentum-type player that it feels like even in his rounds, like if he makes, if he's like struggling and sluggish and he's won over,

and then he makes a 44-burty, all of a sudden Tiger shoots like 66. and when he doesn't and it's like he can never get something going, that little momentum switch is a huge difference maker for Tiger. I also hope he's personally offended by the Bryson master's hype. He's like, I'm the defending champ.

I don't want to hear about all this Bryson shit, although the way it sounds, you know, Bryson is burying down on Augusta National like a nuclear bomb, but hopefully Tiger gets offended by that. Hopefully he feels slighted. I agree. I'll send him. I'm going to start sending him articles

if I have to about, you know, how offended he is. I saw Lertz sent a little text. I'm pretty sure that what we've got, J.T. Posten's account was taken over by Max Homa because he lost in a bet. But so Max Homa's out there just stirring up as much as he possibly can right now via JT. Poston's Twitter account, which I like. Like, Homa's a huge Dodgers guy.

They're now going to the World Series. He had a little wager about one guy gets to take over the other's account. So if you're following, I've already seen a couple Instagram accounts too put up like screenshots of some of j t post and tweets that are actually coming from max homa which actually i i text a max like what you're doing right now reminds me of when dave portnoy says really nice things about himself on his burner account and then also interacts with himself on his actual account on his burner account that's sort of what max homo is doing right now and it's pretty funny it's pretty funny to follow um and then while we're on uh going through headlines the cj cup at

Shadow Creek. Shadow Creek's really cool. It's very aesthetically pleasing. It comes off great on TV over in Vegas. Jason Cochrak, who you actually heard first from this year, I think June 17th, when we had Pat Perez on. They were drinking wine together after whichever tournament there at that time. And at the end of the show, Pat Perez was like, Jason Coagrague, his game is fucking dialed in right now and he's going to win pretty soon. And then he just called it. And Cochran won. It was this 233rd start, I believe, on the PGA tour. He's got three second place finishes, three third place finishes, 27 top tens and more than $13 million in PGA Tour earnings,

yet had never won before and just got his first win. So really cool for him. Sounds like a great guy, Shadow Creek guy because he's an MGM guy, so he's been out to that course many times. There's photos of him out there with drinks with Pat Perez and sort of see somebody like that get their first win. It was cool. He hit a 342-yard bomb on the 72nd hole with Xander Schaftly,

sort of trying to chase him down. I know you were on the Xander train with Lurchy's big picks or whatever, so it was... That's right. We were on the Xander train. And we had an unbelievable Thursday Friday where I thought it was a lock. I think he had a three-stroke lead. I was getting very excited. I actually childhood's buddy Bill Mullen about the pick.

And then Saturday had a cold round. Sunday, he came out of the gate flying. I was like, we've got it. It was like a big correction, basically, on strokes gain on the putting green. He had a terrible day putting Saturday. we were flying on Sunday and then he just didn't close as well as got a crack did he was phenomenal down the stretch and that drive he hit on 18 to kind of close it out and solidify it was amazing so congrats to him but that would have been big for lurchy's loose how'd you say how'd you say

jason's last thing I like to say to codcrack even though it's coat crack okay I just wasn't sure if you were doing a coat rack you hang it on the coat rack it is you took my way I mean you'd like to say what do you why do you just use to say it to me No, because he took my money. If he didn't play well down the stretch, then... So what's the joke there, calling him cock, right? It feels like it feels like a cover for a guy who said it wrong, and then he came up with the excuses to why.

You're kind of disparage him because your guy didn't win. So what's the disparaging part, the word cock in there? Bingo. Okay. Gotcha. I think it's really cool, yeah, that on that Pat Perez podcast, when he's just like, like, this is a guy that's going to win real soon.

This is a guy to bet on. and he's just fucking slamming wine in the back of the apartment, wherever they were staying. I remember just like that name was just in the back of my head, every tournament. I'm like, oh, yeah, Pat Perez says that this guy's got a bet on. He's going to win real soon. I picked him the next week after that Pap Perez podcast because of that.

He did not end up winning, so I was just a few, like, a couple months off, I guess. It was also an interesting dynamic because the two of them, Xander and Cockraff as. She's loose picture. Cool. So Jason Day withdrew because of a neck injury. So they actually were playing as a two-sum behind a bunch of threesomes. So they had to wait all day.

And on 18, the 72nd hole, it's part five guys are going for the green. So him standing on that tee for several minutes, which we've all used as excuses before. We've hit dog-shit tea shots. Then you've got to wait. You're blaming on the guy in front of you. Oh, look at this guy thinks she's going for the green and he tops. One, like all that. And for him to stand there on the 72-hole tea,

with the honor for several minutes and then step up and just rip one 342 yards over that bunker and down to the flat spot, hit one with a pitching ledger and nine iron on a par five to about 20 feet, two putt and get the hell out of there with the wind. Very, very impressive. So that's kind of what's going on in the world of golf. Big show for us, 300th show. So once again, a big thank you to all you guys for listening. I hope we didn't bore you with our little trip down memory lane, but it's been in a crazy ride that none of us really expected. We're very appreciative. We're very thankful for all of you listeners out there.

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Okay. So the other day I played golf, for anyone that followed me on Instagram stories, I played at a place that was so high class and so magical and so legit that they told me not even to tag them on Instagram, which was the coolest thing of all time. They're like let people. Someone said to me basically, if they don't know, then they don't know. And that was like the coolest shit ever. Like if they can't tell from the photos, then they can't tell.

Well, I didn't know. And I was like, why is this asshole not just? tagging. Yeah. You're just going to tell us where it's. It's more of like, if you know, you know. So that's where I was at. This place had a cemetery behind the 17th green.

Of course, I'm like, well, is that just where everyone that blades went over the green? They end up there. It was a whole little laughing bit. Anyway, played with a guy who told me not to keep my score the whole day. And he's like, I will, I'll keep your score. I know everything. He's like a pro there.

He knows I know. He's like rigs. Something about guys who were really into that stuff that, they just have better memories than us, like Trent. It's crazy. So I literally just played golf, played a match. We got roasted. We got Shalak.

And I played horribly. I was an absolute nightmare out there. And I know, I'm in the, but I felt good because I didn't know how I played. I legitimately didn't know how I played. They're making me put everything out. I was like,

you guys are the meanest people of all time. I'm standing over two foot sliders. Just give me the first part of the day. Please are like, no, put it in. So at the end of the day, I get in the car. I lose the match.

And then this guy sends me, me, my scorecard via text. Just, he just types it out to me. He's like, great playing out there today. You were, you lost fucking three and two. You shot a 95. You had 38 putts. You hit three greens.

You only hit four fairways. And you're like, you're never allowed back. It's like, Jesus, I'm driving home. I'm like, Jesus Christ. It's actually, so like, my point bringing this up is that I will never do that again. I don't ever want to have, because I already know not keeping your score does nothing for you. You already know you're playing terribly and getting that message, like opening the box and seeing what it was. Because I honestly didn't know if I shot an 85 or a 95 or 110.

I didn't know. I knew I played bad. I knew I didn't play my best, but I didn't know exactly where I was at. I was just completely not thinking about it. And I read that and it was a fucking nightmare. 38 puts and only four and only three greens is not the way you want to play golf. Like maybe if you're hitting 10 greens and you have 38 puts, you can get away with it. But that's just bad. That's bad golf. It's tough to get your like teeth kicked in all day. And then in the car right home, someone just punches you as hard as they can in the stomach.

You're just like, God, man. So the reason I bring that up also is that this guy, Mike Burry, Mike Burry golf, is a golf teacher on Twitter or whatever. Looks like he's from Texas. The worst, right, he tweeted this out. The worst ranked putter on the PGA tour in 2020. average 30.28 putts per round. If you average 36 puts per round, two puts of hole,

you would be 24 strokes behind the worst ranked PGA player on the green alone. Now, that's a little misleading. Why is that misleading? Because they chip it way closer than we do. So like, every time they miss a green, they're going to have a shorter putt. Like they chip it to, on average, they chip it to like five, six feet, whereas we on average chip it to like 25 feet.

So I'm not saying that it's wildly misleading, but I think it's a little misleading. To me, it's like needing a 24-stroke lead before you even put the ball on the tee, to me is a stunning stat. And that's if you average 36 putts for four straight rounds, which we're not doing ever. And that's a 24-stroke lead, and they haven't even compared ball striking yet. Like, that's just my. On the other side of that, I would say they hit more greens than us.

So they're like sometimes on the edge. So I bet you proximity to pin is actually pretty close from the average like handicapper once you're on the green or like 10 and lower. True. How often are they missing greens? Exactly. They miss. We get it like in the fringe.

We get to chip one on freely. So I bet you that proximity is pretty close where like, yes, we're losing. What I'm saying, though. no but they miss i feel like they miss like 30 to 40 percent of their greens so and they get up and down a very good amount of those so they're chipping it like even if frankie only hit three greens that's like 17 times where he's trying to chip and the other guy's trying to chip like six times and still chipping it way closer all the time so it's like the number of puts they got i wonder a total feat of like pots made that would be that would be an amazing staff i mean i i hope if this

podcast like keeps going and we can like really get some data on our games i think that would be fascinating to see like if that was documented where i don't know whatever we partner with track man or something like that and we start to get this insight i think it would be laugh out loud funny of where our games are at where we think it is like if we did like no this is where i think my game is and then the data just says it's like way different would be hysterical to say. All right. Next year, 2021, because we'll have the whole year, we need to all or find an app. I know there's a bunch out there and we have to every round record all of our stats.

So it would be like fairways hit, greens hit, total puts, and just see what our actual stats are throughout the entire year would be incredible. Holy fuck. That's a lot of work because I'm busy out there. It's a lot of numbers. I did laugh when you said, boy, was I busy out there. I'm busy out there, man. It's fucking just a busy day. You know, it's just, and that's a lot of numbers, a lot of housekeeping at the end of the day, but we'll get it done.

All right, I'll do that. Let's commit to that. We got time. We still got a couple months. But next year, we should just log every round and do fair and do all the stats for the entire round. And if you just plug them in right after your round, you should be able to, like, go through and do it to a decent degree. And that would be very interesting to compare. Like, total, like, you could do, like, how many, how many birdies do you make per round or not?

It's probably, like, 0.8 is, like, so low. It would be very funny to compare to the PGA Torstatt. Yeah, I didn't make a part the other day. Well, some days, I go a whole round without making a putt. It's every, like, just a gimmie. You just get a lot. That's good, that was, yeah, so I played the whole round, and only one went in. I watched, like, I mean, I ended up knocking them in after three putting,

but only one put from five feet or more. Just actually I saw it go in the hole. And I was like, this fucking game sucks. One put where you actually went through your putting routine and read the ball in the green and the ball went into the hole. And the problem was I was getting 14 strokes. You were playing with a plus two plus three. So it's like I had the chance almost every hole.

Like I was putting for par and bogey, four net threes, five net fours, and I just couldn't get it done for my partner. I couldn't get the ball in the hole. It was a day in which the hole looked like it was three centimeters wide. That's tough. All right. Again, thank you to everybody. Thank you to all the listeners.

We'll be back on Thursday. As always, hit it hard. Hit it hard.