Fore Play - Fear Is The Real Difference, Featuring Trottie

Episode Date: August 15, 2023

Fear is the real difference between old Barstool and new Barstool. We’re joined by Trottie who’s always a good time. And we talk Dan’s outrageous travel from Africa, Phil Mickelson gambling over a billion dollars and if we have any issue with it, the hole in one controversy still raging on, if Lucas Glover should make the Ryder Cup team, Pizza Fest and more.You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

Hey, 4Play listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcast, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Oh, Rick! What's up my brother? I got a buddy who struggles with that shot a lot. His name's Frankie Borrelli. So the guys actually gave him a nickname of Butterknives because he always knites it across the green. Broads 100.

Now you've got to break 90. We appreciate what you guys do for golf. It's been really cool. Thank you. You're making it cool. we bring you in it. I was like, hey, Phil, you only fucking 2999. And he grabs 100. He's like, yeah, I won 90,000

these yesterday. He goes, take 100 and go, fuck yourself. What? What do you guys? It's ain't a hobby. Four players in my barstool sports. We got myself, Dan and Frankie, Trent's train,'s running a little late, so he'll be here. We kind of got a full slate day. There's a shit ton of stuff to talk about. I got to go in about 50 minutes for a little barstool classic. We're at TBC Boston. Tiger Woods won there.

So excited to see Pick. of him in the clubhouse. It's always a highlight. We got our Rider Cup gear on. We've been teasing this stuff for the last week or so. The Rider Cup merch collaboration with the PG of America is off the charts. Some of the best stuff I've ever seen. We're going to be releasing this in the next couple weeks. Speaking of Rider Cup, we got some wild drama coming. We got Dan's back from Africa. I'm probably the most hungover person in the world, but I'm ready to rock. I had my hotel AC was set for 62 degrees last night. And I was just profusely sweating through the in the coldest room of all time. So, well, I yesterday took after about a five-day bender at Big Cedar Lodge, which might be the most fun place in the history of the world, had a couple of grindy flights, had to go fly from Missouri to Denver, and then Denver to Boston.

And then by the time I got in, it was just, I mean, it was, the scaries were so bad. I, every time there was, I mean, that was my 65th flight of the year. And every time there was turbulence,

I just was like, we're going down. There's no way. There's no way this place. and can make it through this going on right now. So it was a lot of action, but got my through the night. I watched a couple documentaries last night because I couldn't actually sleep that were actually fantastic.

I watched the Jake Paul one and I watched the Johnny Manzell. They're both really good. Have you guys watched us? I have not yet. Yeah, I haven't watched either of them. I've been meaning to. I've been saving a lot of the content for when I got back. I tried to go like kind of into the wild when I was in Africa.

I tried to kind of check out by day eight. Emma had to physically remove me from my phone because I was just completely locked in on the FedEx Championship. I discovered that I think seven days is a hard max for me for vacation. After seven days, I was going crazy to the point where she's like, oh, why can't you just check out? I'm like, you don't understand. Like, I'm not having fun.

Like, you don't, that sounds bad. I was having fun, but it's like, all I can think about is work. Like, me, me standing and looking at this lion is like, all I'm thinking about is if Justin Thomas is going to make the Ryder Cup team. Like, I don't know what you want to change my brain. I don't know. So last week was difficult. My journey back, I'll kind of raise you with the flight situation.

We took three bushplanes from the bush to get to Mount Kilimanjaro Airport. Bush planes are basically, there's one propeller in the front. That's all you got. There's like seven seats. They're commercial flights, but there's probably like 10 people on them. And you just stop at different airstrips. And the airstrips don't have pavement. They're just in the middle of them.

Arctica? How do you take three? How do you take? So we were in the northern Serengeti. Three flights. You can go around the earth like two times. I think if you three. They were each, they were each like 30 minutes. So you start, we started in like the western part of the Sarangetti. Then we went to the middle part of the Sarangetti and then to kill him in Jara. Then I had a nine hour layover in the Kilimanjaro airport. Which was basically just a room. But I managed to get the PJ tour event on. So that was huge. That was absolutely huge. It's insane. Then a nine and a half hour flight to... Nine and a half hour flight to Istanbul. Seven hour layover in the Istanbul airport. Very nice lounge. Turkish Airlines, great airline.

Love Turkish Airlines. No complaints with Turkish Airlines. Took a shower in the lounge, which is always a game changer. Then 10 hours to New York, got home at 2 a.m. last night. And here we are. So in total, we did the math. It was 42 hours. 42 hours to get back from the northern part of the Sarangeti National Park in Tanzania.

That's a joke. To Dumbo in Brooklyn. But we're back. That just can't be worth it. That just can't be worth it. There's just no way that many flights. You know, I don't,

I don't know if you, I take that many flights to play in the Masters tournament. Like, that's incredible. Yeah, it was like, you know, my parents were with us on the trip and it was like,

they paid for everything. So you can't say like, you can't be like, you know, you're in a tough spot. You can't say what, what were you thinking with this trip? Because they're like, fuck you. We paid for everything. You got this incredible trip to go to Africa. But the entire

time, Emma and I are looking at each other like the amount of money I would pay to just teleport back to my apartment right now. So it was an all time battle, but we're back. What's up, Trent? Trent has just made it. Hey, guys, how we doing? Fantastic. We're just talking about travel issues. I didn't get to say my travel issues. I feel like this is a travel issue. Travel show. It's a travel issue podcast. I'm here for it. I mean, I'm fucking. Yeah. I mean, I went from New York to

Alabama to Atlanta to Toronto all in one day. Never thought I'd make that route. And from Alabama to Toronto, they just sent my bags to Detroit. So which I say Detroit and a couple of my buddies always call me out on now. I'm going to start saying Detroit. I don't know why. Detroit.

I don't not know why I put an emphasis on the Detroit. It feels like a mile. It's like some respect. Yeah. It's weird. I've always said Detroit, like Detroit Rock City or something. I don't know why I want to do that all the time.

That's what I'm working on personally. For some reason. Yeah. Like I said, I did, I, I, I thought about it yesterday to stop saying Detroit. And I just came on this podcast and said Detroit. It's Detroit. Yeah. I mean, yeah, if you look at the letters, it's D.E.

So you're saying it potentially correctly, but I've always heard Detroit. Yeah. Same. Like DeChair. Dylan DeCere. Yeah. So that was, that just like, I asked like Delta why they did that. And they said they didn't know.

So, I mean, that was going to ask if you were going to, if you were going to out the airline because I know they're your favorite airlines. So sometimes. I love Delta. But they were just like, yeah, we have no idea. why. And then it wasn't so bad. They sent it to Toronto. I picked it up when I went to the airport and I was going home that day anyway. So it was like it wasn't the biggest deal, but it was frustrating like doing that type of travel, getting to your hotel room at 2.30, not having any bags, not anything being open in Toronto except for this place called Shoppers Mart that was like 19 minute Uber away from our hotel. They had to go. I had to get stuff. The Uber driver had to wait outside from me. I had to get a bunch of stuff. And then I had to come back in. Then I'm in my room at 3 a.m. and the wake up was 5.30 for the classic. So that was just tough, like not having anything. Yeah. And then screaming all day at the Barstow Classic.

But it's been great. Toronto, I do love Toronto. I think it's a great city. Beautiful. I saw for like six seconds as a sun was rising at 5.30 in the morning. I had amazing view overlooking all of the water. And then from the other side of the room, I can see the CN Tower. It was nice.

Yeah, Toronto's like got a real, do you see the Blue Jay Stadium was right there? It kind of feels like walkable. Yeah, it's pretty fucking awesome. I ordered Chinese food at two at the morning last night after we got back. because I was just after a 40-hour trip and after eating just beef on beef, on beef, on beef, the entire two weeks. All I wanted was some fucking Kung Pound chicken. So I got it last thing.

I'm paying for it this morning, but it was worth it in the moment. Yeah, no, that's a good move. That's a good move. The airlines, I will say with the bags on that, when it's handled properly, you can get over it. It's when they look at you like you're in the wrong and then they just give you no, like nothing. They just look at you like they got nothing. That's when it gets infuriated. but sometimes they recover nicely and it's okay.

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a Penn company at all, at all, or just a Barstall company. Dave owns us like he did actually I don't think I've ever worked at Barstle with Dave's owned 100% of the company. No. We talked about that last time. I did for the first couple years and then the churning deal happened and the New York

move happened. So I had it for the first couple of years, but it's been a while. I am, I don't know if nervous is the right word, but I did not exist. I haven't existed at Barstool outside of the Penn situation outside of corporate parcel. So this is, this is bad. You know, everyone's saying we're going back to this, back to this.

It's all new for me. I feel like we're, we're doing a good enough job where we're kind of a self-sustaining ship, but I definitely have my head over my shoulder more than I did probably a month ago. Somebody asked me the other day, oh, we were in, yeah, we were in Toronto, and we were talking with a couple of the guys that work on the Barstool Classic, Peter and Kyle, we were sitting around just talking about the deal and everything that's happening.

And they were like, yeah, we're huge stoolies. And like we've always, like, crave that old barstool feeling. I feel like in the new New York office didn't have it. They've been working for Penn. for the pen acquisition time of barcel just like danny and really they were like you know what did it used to be like like like what do we to expect like what's that difference and i said the only real difference is fear like that's really the only thing it was missing is fear like like a ton of fear about getting brought in on radio and dave taking a video of you not being in the office at 901 a m

and it's all that's literally the sauce like if any other media company wants to really just like get that barcel magic it's just like unfiltered nonstop overflowing amount of deathly fear you imagine the new espn ceo comes into his office and he's like where the fuck are you stephen a smith like it's 10 a m i mean it it propels everything it makes better content it makes people work harder it brings like all the drama into the office it's only just fear like if i wrote a book about barcel i think it might be just called fear that is what makes it tick dave's always been like that think back to the best moments in Barcelona. It's him yelling at people or or challenging someone that said something stupid that's like, I can throw a football 100 yards. No, you can. If you can't, I'm going to

put you on the internet. I'm going to call you a fucking idiot and a fucking moron weird haircut, Seth. Like, I'm just, everything's about like that feeling in your stomach and your chest and you, you have to swallow down the puke as you're getting brought in. I mean, one of the better moments of last week was like Smitty coming into radio and the guys like blood vessels were popping out of his neck and he was slamming a baseball bat on the ground fighting for his family and his, and his life. That was the content. That's the content. There's no like new video series that comes out. There's no like like like creative idea. It's just survive and we're going to brutally destroy you until you don't. So that's the that's the sauce and I fucking love it. I'm yeah. My blood and my, my heart doesn't tick unless that stuff happens. You know, it's been too easy. I've been waking up just fucking floating around the world. And then the next day, Dave Bison, I'm in the barceler radio. producer room and no no mics are on no Dave Gordon I sits down the radio room and his mic is off and I'm like screaming at people there's a guy in there with a with a fidget spinner because he has too

much stress in the room he's just rigs you you don't understand this guy was spinning something and I'm screaming at him I'm like turn day's mic on he goes I don't know he goes I don't know what to do and he walked out of the room he walked out of the room he left the room I was like your leave your room is crumbling right now I went out and I got all business Pete and I go are you fucking kidding me i like my biggest stress for last two years was why couldn't i hit a 54 degree low flighted wedge that to 17 feet from the fucking pen and now i got to worry about dave portnice microphone as he announces that he bought barsal sports bag is on come on man and a subset a subset of that fear is you get more reminders that you don't matter which like like like dan said we got a good

thing going you know we're profitable we got a lot of things going on we sell a lot of stuff but it'll still, as soon as you feel comfortable, the hammer will come down on you. And that is a reminder that hasn't been there the last couple of years. Like, we can sell out the classic in two minutes. We can sell out a pickleball thing in 10 seconds. We can sell the most merch.

We can put out videos that get 500,000 views. And as soon as you start to be like, oh, we're doing all right, Dave will be like, you're fucking, you're useless. And it's, it's Frankie's right. It's a fear that keeps this place ticking. I love it as well, as much as it makes my insides burn. and I feel bile in my throat when I think about it. I love that feeling because when I got hired here so many moons ago,

that's the fire that I loved. And it's back now. My favorite version of that fear was when I was just checking in throughout the end of last week. And Dave put out a video at like 6.30 p.m. on like a Thursday. And you guys were just all sitting around the office just like refusing to leave. Oh, yeah. You know, we're just what we do every day. We're just, we're grinding late into the night.

I'll sleep in this office. That's what it brings back. I will fucking sleep in this office if that's what I have to do. And that's where we're back there now. Just refusing for no reason other than fear to leave before Dave Portnoy leaves the office. I was like, I remember those days. So, so yeah, we're owned by, we're owned by Dave Portnoy again, which is amazing, I think, for us. We're just, we're independently owned now or not.

There's all these regulations and hoops we were jumping through. We're learning about new stuff and HR and Dave's throwing away HR. You're not allowed to narc on people. It's just a little bit of the old west is back, the wild wild west. And that's fantastic. That's kind of what we're all built on. We're all pretty, pretty OG. I would say Trent definitely more so than us.

And we weren't in the Milton office. But those early days of HQ2 in New York, that's when all of us were hired. It's when all of us kind of got to New York and started minglingling with everybody. So we kind of remember those days in your eye. It's just fear. So it'll be very, very interesting to see what happens. All right. Frank, did you have a birthday?

I did. I had a nice little birthday weekend. Had people, I think my neighbors hate us. I think that's official. You know, I had like 20 something people over in the backyard. It was a late one until 4 o'clock in the morning. And then the family came over. And you think that'd be like way more subdued and just like completely quiet.

But they surprised me with. with a habachi. So that's two years in a row that I had habachi in the backyard. Habachi guy came. My dad's here. Hannah's dad's here. They're going crazy. Karaoke machine came out. One o'clock in the morning. Basically, people are singing karaoke and my dad's trying to hit high notes. I'm like, dad, you're just, if you really think about what you're doing right now, you're just screaming into a microphone, not hitting any notes. And people don't even hear the music like down the block. They just hear your voice traveling through a very quiet, late night air. and I was like think about the last note you just tried to hit and how loud that traveled.

It was just like I don't care. You got in the hot tub and like smoked a cigar. So that was a crazy one last. I'm definitely feeling it right now. Yeah. Oh, Ray. Happy birthday. My sister.

My sister. They got me. Look at this. Oh, there you go. Oh, yeah. I'm ready to rock. They saw how much I enjoyed what you were doing and I couldn't and they couldn't wait. And they ended up getting me.

So they got me like they started me off. And they got a lot. of cool ones barn boogles on there they sent a bunch of emails out no way sending out so i have this bag downstairs and it's amazing man like there's it all came in little envelopes and everyone from every single golf course wrote a little note in there like about how much they love it like aaron hills barn boogel from australia i mean like every every single golf course uh pinehurst sent a bunch of stuff like they sent balls and markers and the links of spanish bay pebble beach i mean And they, Chinnickok, oh, they have, they put Butters Bay and Nass Creek on here, which is pretty cool, actually.

Oh, that's cool. That's insane. That's cool. Yeah. So I can't wait. Now I have to change my mind to put a pencil in my pocket or my bag because I always leave them in the car. Impossible. Like how the fuck am I going to remember?

Even since I started doing this, I forget them all the time whenever you go. And then you're, I guess that's probably the move is to have people send stuff and they might. But isn't it incredible that should not be as fun as it is to just. put pencils in that little case, but it's amazingly fun. It's actually kind of like, I'm almost mad I have it now because now I want it to be perfect where it's like every top golf course I ever played. And there might be something that will never play again. Like, I don't know, like a Sage Valley.

Like I need, I need that. I need that golf course. I need to get back to the ones that we have, like, I don't know. It's just now I feel like my brain's going to be running crazy every time I look at it. It's got these, but it doesn't have this pencil. It doesn't have that pencil. I do it with ballmarkers with like the poker chip ones. I think the key is doing it at the beginning of the round.

You're not going to remember at the end, maybe you have a few drinks, whatever you're wanting to get out of there. Before you tee off, you need to go in there, grab a pencil and put it in the golf bag and just get it out of the way before you even tee off. Yeah, I think that's the move. I think that's the move. Dan, anything else on Africa? You want to just talk about your Africa trip in general or is the 42-hour flight

is kind of a... No, I'm fine. Nature is crazy. I send a video to our producers, and I'll send it to you guys if you want. We saw a lion kill a, I wouldn't say a Davey, but a juvenile zebra, like right in front of our eyes. And it was really cool. It was sort of beautiful in a way. The sound of the zebra was making as it was being, the life was being squeezed out of its neck by three lions was something that is seared into my memory ever, forever.

It was, it was the worst noise I've ever heard in my life. it was a zebra and all the other zebras were watching that's the worst part because there's these big herds of zebras the lion goes and he takes one and the other zebras are just standing there watching me personally if i saw my they don't just run they're not run they don't run they're standing like a good distance away but the lions are so preoccupied yeah but it's like you'd think that they would run number one for safety you'd think that they would run number two to not watch their child become slowly murdered and become meat for these lions but no they just stand there and and watch the entire time as the baby zebra pleads for its life.

The lions obviously don't give a shit. And the Zerras are just standing there watching. So I don't want to say PTSD because that's a very serious thing. But it's something that I will think about for a very long time. My two takeaways for the trip where nature is crazy and 12 days is just wait. The internet has ruined my brain. The internet is ruined my brain. It was a horrible, Dan.

I feel like it was a great trip. It was a great trip. There was no air conditioning in the tents. so it was a little bit hot. It was nice to get into the, it was nice to get. There was no, there was no, you couldn't choose what you wanted for,

for meals. It was just, this is what we're serving for dinner tonight. So if you, if you didn't like that, I'm a pretty picky eater. So that was kind of difficult. It was definitely,

it was a prize list from the trip. Like, it feels like there's, you just, the pros list for the trip. I take some really cool pictures. I think I'm a camera guy now. I got a proper camera.

That was awesome. Not as good as the pictures that you could just like find on Google. if you Google like, here's a line. And they have better pictures online. The sunsets were really, really nice over the sun rises. Emma and I got some nice one-on-one time for the first five days until all I could start thinking about was Twitter, TikTok, and Instagram by about day six.

But yeah, I'm glad to be back in 12 days. Way too long. Just way too long. I can't do that anymore. I can not do more than a car just like watching that slaughter happening. I mean, how far were you? And at any point, are you nervous for your life if that just lion just turns? its attention on to you guys.

No, because you're in a Jeep, that's huge. And like the lions are not going to try to, unless you get out of it. They just, they don't view you as people, but they view you as this Jeep, which is like the biggest thing they've ever seen. So we were watching, we were driving around and you have a guide and the guy's like, oh man, there's a female who's crouching. And the crouching, I guess, is like the, that's like the hunting stage or the, you know, that she was crouching in this little ditch and you could see these zebras like walking.

And they couldn't, you could tell the zebras couldn't see the lion. And so we're standing there for about. six or seven minutes as the zebras are kind of getting closer and the lion standing there the female lion the females do the hunting mostly and as soon as it started running the the guy took the car do you want me to send you guys the video i mean i'll send you the video you guys can watch it it's really really graphic right i'll send it in the group chat right now yeah we saw we saw the whole thing we saw the whole thing that's got to be pretty rare right when you go on one of these things it is rare you to see it see a kill actually happen is is pretty damn rare a lot of times it happens

like first thing in the morning or at dusk. But yeah, we saw it happen. I'm sending you this video. I'm excited to see you guys. I want to hear Trent's analysis of this sound because it is, like I said, it's the worst sound I've ever heard in my life. It does sound. It's so perfect that it feels almost a little Westworld to me where they're like,

oh my gosh, you're never, ever going to see a kill. And you just so happen to see a herd of zebras and a crouching female lion. It's like, that feels pretty perfect. Like I feel like every time they go out, they're like, this is super rare. Every. There's definitely a lot of the underselling over delivering. They're like, I don't know.

I don't know if we're going to see, you know, the wildebeest cross the river. And then like seven minutes into the trip, the wildebees crossed the river. They're like, oh, my God, you guys are the luckiest people of all time. Because they definitely work on tips. So I think they want you to feel like you got, you know, this unbelievable experience. But I, listen, under promise over deliver, big fan of that in life. If you were playing a golf course, you want them to tell you any, the course is not in good shape. You go up there.

You're like, this course is great. You don't want them to tell you all. Everything's perfect. and then you're going to have the high expectations. It reminds me a little bit when we went to Australia and we were like, God, I just hope we could see a kangaroo. I don't know if that's crazy rare or what the deal is.

And then like when we went and looked for them, we just saw like 800 kangaroo running around this field and they were all over the place. And we actually got scared. They were going to run us over and take us out because they're very menacing and mean. But nature is, you can't really fuck with nature. That's the main thing you realize when you're out there. You're like, Yeah, it's like there's a reason that people go to Australia.

to see kangaroos because like you see kangaroos when you go to australia there's a reason that people go to africa to see lions it's like you're gonna see some lions you guys get this video yet did it come through oh i don't know let me look fuck dude i think we got it oh yeah i got it shit man ah oh man fuck bro i'm not listening to that that's horrific oh no no no no no not today no that's tough look at how deadpan they are and they just don't care they're just eating this thing Fuck. They got to eat, but it's pretty, it's pretty nerly. Yeah, I mean, that's just, that's the way the world works.

That's a circle of life. That's a lion king, right? I didn't show that part in Lion King, but that's a part of it. Yeah, it was, uh, we, we say there, we watch them eat the guts, which you don't really see on planet Earth. It was, it was something. There's no, like, um, there's no humanity to it, right? They don't, like, make sure it's dead before they start eating it out of care of like, that's going to be a bad experience for the zebra.

They're just like, we're, yeah, we're just going to eat now. And yeah, they start ripping out from like the butt. hole. They start like opening up from there because I guess it's like the easiest place to open it. So they break the legs and open it up and then all the stomach guts fall out and they start like eating that. Yeah, it's, listen, there's nothing pretty about it. They don't, they don't cook it. Like there's, there's just, they just start eating it. I mean, that's a, we do it. We fucking, I just like take a lobster's boil it and there's like, crack it open and just like eat out its legs and its fucking claws and like, and they say that like lobsters like like want to get out of the boiling water. You ever hear that?

That they have like conscious. Well, that was David Foster Wallace thing. Yeah, consider the lobster. That's exactly right. They feel pain. They absolutely feel pain. Turns out the squeaking is pain. Right.

They're trying, they're like, and when you put them in, their, their, their claws, like, trying to grab the edges of the pot. Like, just, hold on. Just let me get your claw in there. For the most part, we've cut that, we've cut that part out where the butcher does it or whoever gets the meat does it. And it just arrives on our plate. But there are still parts like the seafood you're talking about that we kind of, we take

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We did the whole trip, put the videos out. And then you kind of go and you travel around the world and you like forget a little bit, you know. And then when you're just back there, it's like they don't, a guy Johnny Morris, who's the, you know, Bass Pro Shop guy that funds the whole thing. And they say he's there, you know, all the time. And he's like always looking at the fine touches. It is really amazing how they, he just spared no expense and did not miss a single thing there.

From every fireplace, there's like a sneaky fireplace out back of the clubhouse at Ozarks National that has like engraved in the front of the fire, the fireplace like great on the front. Like this golf club with like Ozarks. It looks like it's been there since like it's been from like a castle. It's been there for 500 years. And it's just the whole property is that way. The golf courses are unbelievable. They're building another part three on top of Paines Valley. Basically, you know, when you go to that first team, you kind of go down the hill a little bit,

you see the course out to the right for the first time. And it's all like they're just building a sick par three course on the edge of the cliff right there. That's going to overlook Payne Valley. even the halfway house that they have at Paines is off the charts. It's got its own logo that's separate than any other logo. So just the whole thing, top to bottom, was a hilarious experience. We did the top of the rock, that place. We had that amazing dinner that one night where they brought like the,

what do they bring like a lamb or something that was like spinning around in front of us? And we went to that restaurant again, had one of the best meals ever. So it was amazing. We had 12 of us. First time I went from 8 to 12. All my best buddies from pretty much elementary school, including my brother. We all played hockey together forever.

Now everybody's into golf. So getting that whole crew together, which we really don't get the whole crew together more than like once a year, maybe, maybe a couple times a year. So getting everybody together, playing golf, it was just, it was insanely fun. We had a fantastic time.

Our team won. We were victorious, which was nice. There was a lot of drinking out of the trophy. So, yeah, that place, I can't recommend big city lodge enough. We stayed in one of those big four-bedroom cottages with the pool, like the pool was getting a lot of action, the sunset views out there by that. that little fire pit.

It was just, it was like the whole point, we say it a lot when we talk about, you know, going to shows, concerts, seeing them, you know,

whatever. It was like, that's the whole point that you work. And that's what we kept saying throughout the whole trip. It's like, the whole reason that you do everything in life,

whenever you're grinding, you're stressing, is to be able to do what we got to do last week. And it just delivered. Big Cedar Lodge is awesome. So, so yeah, we had an amazing time.

All right. We got some talking points to get to. Phil Mickelson. I know, I believe this broke after you guys did the show last week in terms of the gambling, or was that? Yeah. So the Billy Walter's book that's going to be coming out, that's been rumored to be coming out for years. I think things, it has to go through like legal review and then continues to get stuff redacted. But now we're seeing, I think it was our boys at the Fire Pit Collective that put out a pretty good excerpt from it.

And it's pretty, it's fucking fascinating about Phil Mickelson and his gambling habits. A couple of the key takeaways were that. He's wagered over a billion dollars, which is, I mean, over a big number is is a, is a, is a hilarious number. I mean, you need to make two billion dollars to be able to have a billion dollars to spend taxes and all that. Now, when you do wager and you win some of it back, like you can wager it again, so it's not necessarily that he just had a billion dollars slush fund. But the fact that he's placed over a billion total dollars in wagers is one of the more shocking numbers that ever saw. and then maybe the most kind of scathing part of it was him allegedly calling

Billy Walter saying he wanted to bet on the 2012 Rider Cup. He wanted to bet $400 grand on the U.S. to win the Ryder Cup. But Walter said that he said to him, you know, like, are you crazy? You know what happened to Pete Rose? You have this great image, an Arnold Palmer type guy. Like there's no way you can do that. Phil apparently opted out and decided not to do that. He tweeted out that he never bet on the Ryder Cup.

But just the fact that he was considering putting $400,000 on the Ryder cup the whole deal was just fucking you know we expected a lot the fact that Phil is that that that that that into it like almost makes me feel bad for the guy that he's like that addicted to gambling yeah i think that's the takeaway he already came around or came out and said you know this was an addiction that i've worked on i thought it was also a little strange that there was that clip that went viral like last week of him talking with bryson de shambo which was kind of like glorifying his gambling again remember he's like what do we plan for bryson bryson's like i don't know all right let's buy two thousand dollars It's like, okay, are we going to say that this is an addiction that I need help for,

or are we going to kind of advertise this on YouTube? So I thought that was kind of the timing was a little weird. His units seemed to be 110,000. That's just, that's his unit. I thought the specificity with which, you know, Walters kept the receipts. This guy was his bookie. So we had 1,100 bets of over 110,000, over 850 of 220,000 to win 200,000. And the other thing I'll say is I thought his statement in response was very funny.

he didn't say I never tried to bet on the Ryder Cup. He never said like these numbers are wrong. He just goes, I did not bet on the Ryder Cup, which is true. If Billy Walter's story is true, then he didn't bet on the Rider Cup. He tried to bet on the Ryder Cup, but he didn't. He didn't say I didn't try to bet on the Ryder Cup. You know, betting on your own team is obviously way less bad than betting on the other team. It doesn't really bother me that much.

The irony is that they lost that Rider Cup. But yeah, just kind of details. It's always worse when you dig a little bit. It's bad when you say I have a gambling addiction. It's worse when your booking comes out with the receipts. because he bet $200,000, you know, over 850 times. But I didn't feel like it changed my view of Phil Nicholson or anything. I think if anything, the people like Big Cap, people like Hank were like, this is sick.

This guy's a baller. So I don't think it was necessarily a bad thing for him PR-wise. Yeah, that was my takeaway is that he didn't really deny it. No. I think the first part of it was, well, he denied the Rider Cup thing. But then the rest of it was like, everybody knows I love a wager. I think that was part of it's like, yeah, dude. And I agree.

it's why is that bad no i i don't i'm not saying well i'm not saying that it is this is like the michael jordan thing where they talk about his gambling and he says that like i can still pay my rent i can still do all these things yeah but i mean that's the thing i maybe longer gambling or he can spend it on uh assorted chocolates for his watch is and gambling he could at least win it back right the only thing is that that they would maybe say and i'm not even saying that i agree with this is that it glorifies it to a point where people are like, oh, I love that. I want to do that. And then they end up getting in over their head. Phil Mickelson is a guy who has the means to do this.

Right. So. Oh, I want to make $2 billion and spend a billion of it. Like, that's a good thing that actually aspire to do. It's almost like Riggs was talking about with the big cedar thing where you work so hard to do what you love. And Phil Mickelson loves a wager. He likes betting when he plays. He likes betting on sports.

Betting on your own sport, you get into a bit of a tricky territory. I understand that. But like, yeah, I don't know. It's not I would say his reputation is safe like nobody sees this and feels one way or the other. If you hated Phil Mickelson, you're like, this guy's a piece of shit. He tried to bet on the writer cup. If you love Phil Mickelson, you're like, that's my guy. He's a cowboy.

He's out there. Let's put it all in the line. Let's play for it. Let's do it. I think nothing changes. Man, I just, Phil's gone through a lot these last couple of years. Oh, yeah. It's like it almost feels like these everyone has something out for him for some reason.

He's for sure a scummy, did weird things. did bad things to his family and there's all these things that come out about it. Has the guy really been that bad to deserve this type of like public shaming that he's had over the last two years with the live stuff? Now the fact that we live in just like a politically correct live world now, like everyone just, I mean, Jersey Jerry was there playing with Trump and like no one cares anymore. Nobody cares about it. If you don't care about him or so like he's been.

like slaughtered. He's the zebra. Well, here's the thing. If you're an asshole, your whole career, people don't forget. And people who you're an asshole to will bring it back on you. That's the thing. Like if you, he's an asshole. That's what people say. Like Phil Miggelson for everything that he is. You know, front facing, he's thumbs up. I'm great. You know, I'm a great golfer. But then we have heard that he has asshole tendencies. And if you're an asshole for 30 years, you're going to make a few enemies. And those enemies are going to come back at you publicly if they can. And the enemies have been in the media. I think it's important to make a distinction of if you go to a golf tournament, people don't hate Phil Mickelson. Right. No. He's still like one of the five most popular guys out there. So I think a lot of this is the golf media saying he's a bad guy. He's a bad guy. I don't think the average Joe. I think the average Joe thinks he was right, which he was right. Two more. I mean, the headlines being that he bet on the rider cup, you're just, you're burying the lead there. He bet on his own team. It just doesn't bother me that much. And he tried on the other team. Yeah. If you bet on the other team. You know, many people try and do the wrong thing and their buddy's like, nah, you probably. You probably. You're probably. You're. You're. You're. You're probably. You're. I shouldn't do that.

And then the conversation's over. Why is that a headline? I don't understand why that's a big story. This guy is just doing whatever he wants with his money. He talked with his bookie and was like, I want to place his bet. And the guy's like, I don't think you shouldn't. He's like, all right, I'm done. I won't do it.

Yeah. And then that's assuming he didn't take his action somewhere else, but that's speculation. And, you know, there was worried, they asked Roy McElroy about it. And his response was, oh, at least he can bet on the Rider Cup this year because he won't be a part of it. That response sucked. Pick a pick on someone your own age, dude. Phil Nicholson is 53. He's one amazing.

more recently than you won a major. He finished second in the Masters this year. He played in 12 straight rider cups. Like, are you just, are you going to say, oh, Tom Watson? Oh, he can better the rider cup. He's not, he's 53 years old. He's not supposed to be in the Ryder Cup this year. So if you're going to pick on someone,

Rory, pick on someone your own age. I did not like that at all. And it's, yeah, I mean, I think that they're all just bitter. It's also to assume that Rory's, like, never place a huge wager on anything. I mean, these guys all have life-changing, absurd generational wealth. They're all doing ridiculous shit with their money. What's the difference between that and spending, like,

a million dollars on the dumbest painting of all time that's hanging in your house above your couch like none of that shit matters to me it's like they're doing whatever they want riggs went to big cedar lodge with this money phil mickleson wants to place a hundred ten thousand dollar wager on the st louis fucking cardinals like i don't like what's the big deal i don't know i have this argument all the time with emma she's like oh i'm gonna buy a bag or whatever and it's like well at least with my money like with my bet i there's a theoretically a chance that i actually make money on it you know what i mean it's not just i'm not just pissing it down the dream I will agree that betting on the sport that you're involved in is generally not a great idea.

It's definitely not a great idea, but like if it's your own team, it's just, it's such, it's so much of it. But you're opening, I get it. You're just opening it like you might as well say don't do it at all as opposed to, well, if you're better. Like, think about it. If you're a manager and you bet on your own baseball team, you might use the bullpen a little differently than you would if you weren't betting on it. Yeah, to lose. But if they add. Even to win in sport. Well, then that's great. I mean, yeah. You just have more incentive to just win. You're going to use your bullpen. Well, he's saying versus like saving it for the rest of the season. You go all the one game.

Right. I'm saying you're focused on that as opposed to like the greater good of the team. You might blow out. The team is a W, my man. Like we're just trying to get some wins in the column. I'm saying you might blow out a guy's arm because you're like, I got two grand on this game. But that's going to get the win, like then you probably should have blown out the guy's arm to get the win in the first place. That's a weird argument to me. You got to win the game.

I think that if they added that to sports, imagine knowing that like a starting pitcher placed like a $50,000, I wager on himself to win the game and they put that up on the screen. You're like, holy shit. This guy is like throwing his weekly salary in the MLB on this game because he hates the team he's facing against. And he's like, I think I'm going to dominate you guys today. And then when they lose, like they interview him after and they're like, you just lost like $50,000.

And he's like, fuck, I know. Like I just didn't have it today. And it happens. That would be incredible. It happens sometimes in sports with like bonuses. And it's really cool, right? Where it's like, oh, if this guy gets a catch, he gets another $500,000. And they play so much better.

better. Yeah. And then like Brady throws him like two balls in a row in the fourth quarter to get, I don't remember who this was to get him, you know, 50 catches and he got 500 grand. They're all going crazy. ESPN is showing it. It's really not that different. It's so true. No, it's such a great direct in boxing too. Isn't it pretty direct in boxing? Like you win X amount of the pool of you win versus losing. Like it's a massive. Dana White gives out. Dana White gives out bonuses for big knockouts. He's like if you knock this guy out like there's basically style points. So they definitely They'll also take deals and be like, I'll take X amount of dollars as a fee to show up. But then I'm also going to take like, you know, 80% of it if I win.

Like they'll take like a huge chunk and bet on themselves essentially. They're taking their future payment and saying I want more if I win as opposed to splitting 50-50. Yeah, I guess you just can't have people betting against themselves and a bet against their team. Because you do have that. Yeah. That's like, yeah, that's not on under shit. That's horrible. Yeah.

Right. And like point shaving. And that kind of stuff when it's when you're not betting us really on just the overall result, but like by certain points or best, like then it gets really dicey where people can do they can fuck up millions of dollars in lines because they're on one side of the other. I'm just saying it opens the door. It's cleaner when you're like, just don't do it. Because if you like obviously what you guys are saying, I get like if you bet on, you know, I'm going to win this game. You are more incentivized to win the game. But then people are just going to be like, I hate this team.

Our team sucks. I'm betting against them. And that's not what you want. Yeah, but I agree. I think this show pretty much was like, I don't really have that much of issue with the Phil stuff at all. It's like, and also people like,

people do some really bad stuff in the world. And if his biggest thing is that he wagers his own money on sports, that's what I can get over, man. It's all like his kids are, it's like, you're bad with your money and I don't want that anymore. It's like,

all right, man. You're my financial advisor? I don't understand. Like, if I'm placing the bet to like be on the street one day, like, that's the bet that I'm placing. I don't,

I don't agree with the angle that the media took, but I'm glad they made it a story because it's interesting. The fact that. Yeah, I would prefer to know about that than not know about it. That's just chaos, though. It's like every, it's like,

I hate that that's like the thing. It's like we can't pry anything else at you so we're going to go into this. It's just like, I don't know. It all just stems from the live stuff and his decision to go out to PGA tour and probably because he was an asshole to these media people's entire life. 100%. Look at these dorks.

dorks writing about me all the time and be super mean and an asshole to them and then they're going to be like we have the pen and paper dude we can we can light you we can paint you in any picture we want well i also think though like it's it's interesting and compelling to people because 95% of people are out there grinding on their budgets grinding on making sure that they've put away in this and then they're like this guy was wagering a hundred and ten grand on 15 different games at a time like what a ballsy fucking guy And, like, I just think that that's going to be really compelling to people. And, like, thinking, hearing that you're so cocky that you're going to put almost half a million dollars on your team to win the Ryder Cup.

Like, that shit is compelling. But it does stem from, like, the media people that are old school journalists that have been around with Phil forever that, like, don't like him or thinking he's an asshole that are going to try to kind of bury him. And I think that we all kind of have the same take of, like, sure, he's not perfect. And he's flawed. He's made some mistakes. and done some asshole things, it sounds like. But like, he's fucking 50-something years old. He's been around the block for a long time.

Of course he's done some dumb shit. We've all done some dumb shit or crazy shit or whatever the hell it might be. So I think we're kind of all on that. I mean, I do see why it's compelling like him texting his bookie being like, I've got 40 different bets on fucking baseball games today. Like that's, you know, he's a, he's an aggressive wild man. And that also comes through in his golf. There's also perception is like, because betting and hitting fucking crazy shots.

It's also perception of the person. that's really what it all sums down to however people feel about that guy day portnight tweets out that he like bet 250 grand against ohio state and like a big you know college football game and everyone's like this is the greatest thing i've ever seen in my entire life but if it comes out that phil mickleson they'd be like this guy needs help and dave will be like under the tweet it'll be like i'm rich and you're not don't do this if you don't want to like if i lose this it does not matter so i mean it's just a it's a way about it's a way of going about it's a way of the world perceives you but phil mickleson for some reason it behind you know, behind the keyboards and behind the pen and paper, he's made those relationships really, really bad. I don't know what he's done to these people that has made them all think he's an asshole, but in the public all like is literally singing happy birthday to him at every single you has opened. And he comes to the Bethpage Black and people are crying. He gives the thumbs up. Like he's, but he was my favorite golfer set from Tiger forever. I used to fucking love going to Beth page and see him feel giving me the thumbs up and just like, you know,

the lefty swinging it out there. So yeah, interesting shit. I would say he gained more fans than lost fans in this whole thing. It was a net positive for sure. 100%. The media, that's the thing. Like each individual person gets to form their own opinion on everything. And this is no different where the media can try to say like, well, Billy Walters is trying to sell books. That's what he's trying to do.

But everyone else can be like, oh, yeah, that's cool. Like that guy is, he's gambling. He's doing his thing. Like that's, I guarantee that was most people's takeaway from that story. Yeah. Yeah. I think it also adds to the legend, right? That's like legendary that he's kind of doing in a lot of people's mind.

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Cup. We're wearing writer cup merch. Lucas Glover wins back to back. He's vaulted from just a hilarious, not even close to relevant, really position. He didn't play in any of the four major championships this year, which like it's not impossible to get into these for these guys at this level. He's won the U.S. Open before. Wins back to back out of the clouds is now 16th in the Rider Cup standings.

by all accounts, you know, like, yeah, there's a lot of, that goes into picking players in terms of the style of the course, in terms of, you know, do we think there got kind of that match play bulldog mentality? One of the key factors is who's playing the hottest. You need kind of the guy, I think it was the Billy Horshaw kind of rule from a decade or so ago where Billy Horshaw was like not picked, not playing, you know, not thinking he was, should have been picked, people weren't thinking he should be picked, whatever. And then it was too late and he won what, like back-to-back events. and won the FedEx Cup playoffs and wasn't on the actual Rider Cup team. Lucas Glover at this point, I was hearing him talk about it last night. He said, obviously, I think I should be a pick. I don't know how you don't pick.

I can't even, I can't even imagine not picking it. I don't think he's getting a pick. I think it's, I think it's basically done. I think it's the top 10 in the standings right now. He just won back to back turn. I'm aware. How could you not? I just don't think.

I think Zach Johnson's going chalk. I think he's going with the top 10 in the standings. So the kind of fringe guys are Cam Young, Morikawa. I think he goes J.T. Ricky Fowler. I just think Lucas Glover, there's a high delta. Yes, he's playing really well right now. He's played really bad.

I don't know, that putting, that long putter. I don't know if I want that having to make putts in the Ryder Cup. I think he's got to win again this week to make the team. I really do. If he wins three in a row, it's unprecedented. And it's a guy that's packing his bags to roam for sure. I do think there's way too many outliers in the team are ready to not pick the, like, that we've been talking about for weeks.

there are rider cup guys regardless of how you're playing. I'll always stand by that. JT is a rider cup guy. You throw in the Harmans and the Wyndham Clarks. These are guys that don't usually make that mix. And if you throw in a Lucas Glover, I think the team becomes way too out of control when it comes to you're leaving a lot of guys that are rider cup guys that have won for this country and they've played against the

European team and they have dominated them and they have won matches and you're just leaving those guys off. I just think that the outliers of this year, it's just a different team this year because of the way it's kind of, you know, strung out. And I think that you, I don't know, man. I don't know if you could put Lucas Glover in there. To me, that'd be, he'd be sweating his assholes all over the place. It's just, it's too much.

It's too much for Rome right now. It's hot over there, 110 degrees. It's too much. It's too much for me to handle. I can't have all these guys in there. I need my team, man. You need some normalcy. They, they've fucked them up last time.

You need some names. You're not going to, who else are you going to leave? Are we leaving ever? I don't know. Bryson's on in there. You got shot 58. It's like, what are we talking about? This is not the way you should pick a Ryder Cup team,

but I don't want my mom to turn on the TV and be like, who is Lucas Glover and who is Brian Harmon? Like, who are these people? I agree. I like having the pedigree of the names. Like, and I don't know, I don't try. Lucas Clever, he's playing great. He won two events in a row, but I don't know, man.

Lucas Glover. He deserves it. He deserves it. Yeah. But he doesn't deserve it because it's not that name. Like he's Lucas Glover and the other guy's Justin Thomas. Somehow, some way over their careers, one guy's become one guy and the other guys become the other.

That's like what you deserve. You know what I mean? Like JT deserves to be in there because of Justin fucking Thomas. Sorry. I do want to go with the hot hand. Hot hands are a point. We got enough hot hands. But when they,

when they change the rules from, I think it used to only be two captain's picks and then it was four and then it was six. So it used to be like who's had the best year and it was basically a point system about who they, when they made that change to six guys, it was for this reason, I think it was so that the captain could say, sorry, Lucas Clever,

you're playing great. I know you're playing great, but I'm going to go with Colin Morikawa instead. So I just, I think that's what. it's going to happen. I would say if you if he goes out and shoots like 80 for the rest of the next two events, then I could if he goes out and continues to play really well, I just don't know how you can take the guy that's like playing the best. I mean, he's beating everybody the last

couple of weeks and be like, nope, you're just not on the team. That would be crazy to me. Now, I also still think JT should be on that team. I think like if you're going to kind of put some guys in a bucket of like these are rider cut guys that just kind of need to be there, I think JT's at the top of that list. And I don't know, even with, like, Morikawa and, like, Kagan, where it's like, well, they're playing a little bit better. It's like, if we're already choosing at this point that, like, these are captains picks that, like, are we need a Ryder Cup guy in there. I think JT has to be in there. So I still 100% believe that. I just like, it would be one thing of Lucas Glover had a couple top five finishes. He's playing pretty well. He fucking won back to back.

So you're picking, so you're picking, are you picking Lucas Glover over Ricky Fowler? Potentially? I mean, are you picking them over Colin Mori Kowar or Cameron Young? So if I'm looking at the standings right now. I think one through 10 are lost. In the points list standings, you've got Lucas Glover is 16th,

JT is 14th, Ricky's 13th, Sam Burns, like 12th. So my point in all that is like those guys are, I'm almost putting them in the same bucket in terms of like how many points they've acquired and then you pick the hot hand. So you're going with the top 10 plus JT and plus Lucas Glover, that's your team?

I mean, the guys won back to back. It's tough. It's really tough. It's tough. Every two years, Riggs finds himself in some weird Rider Cup situation. Yeah. The last time he was rude for the Europeans and this time he's going to die on the hill of

Lucas Glover. No, I don't think he'd be, I don't think this would shake up that many feathers. A week and a half ago. This wouldn't shake that many feathers. People are calling for this guy to make it. But everyone that's calling for him is also the ones that are telling me to go kill myself every time I say Justin Thomas should make the team. There's like this weird Twitter bot sphere that like is only going based off of who deserves it based off how they've played today.

And they do not take into account their careers, their pedigree, their, they're, like what they do in the locker room, what they've done for the Ryder Cup team literally just a couple of years ago. So yeah, I don't know. I can't put them. I'm not signed in my name next to Lucas Glover. There's no And how you do, how you handle pressure. I mean, the Wyndham Championship is, you know, a event it's not something crazy FedEx and then this is another topic which I'll go on Memphis is dead I mean that tournament is just 110 degrees like there's not a lot of fans out there it's I don't know what they're doing in Memphis I don't know why they're their assholes it's insane out of their assholes and the rider cup is a completely different

sport I mean I honestly think that like Tony Fienow I would pick Tony Fienow over Lucas Glover for the rider cup team even like who's gonna instill more fear in the Europeans like the Europeans would love Lucas Glover to make this team which is a which is a kind of a metric in a way I don't know. It's not a boxing match. It's not like you don't look like, you're not standing there being like, I'm so afraid of like Tony Fina. Like it's a fucking golf bag.

He's who's playing the best golf? He's rolling in putts right now. He is, he's a problem. Lucas Glover's a problem. I think he'd use the sweaty asshole to his advantage. He was sweating out of his dick too. He was sweating everywhere, man. The front, the back.

I didn't really never see anything like that. Dude, the other thing is, remember, we got to, we got to also take ourselves back to Paris. When I saw. people were playing the course the Italy course like last week I saw somebody posted and like they're setting it up just like Paris it's going to be fucking brutal rough and like narrow and remember like Bryson and Phil hitting it off the planet in Paris the whole time and like us just getting steamrolled by it was like the Fleetwood and back when before Francesco Molinari was murdered by Tiger Woods like they were just killing our entire team by doing that so

like the Brian Harman's and like the guys just hitting it straight are going to be like really good, I think, in the Ryder Cup. Harmon's making it for sure. Harmon's on the team for sure. Yeah, but I'm saying I think he's going to be really good, not just make it. We're like, oh, we got to deal with Harmon. I think he's going to be like sick.

Yeah, like Webb was the best player that week for the US. Webb and J.T. Right. J.T. J.T. Yeah, I mean, look, there's like, there's like five names for the last two spots or so, right? And that's like, that's just we're going to debate that forever. And the tough that the thing that's going to continue to hurt J.T.

is that he's not, you know, he doesn't even. get to play or make a case. It's just, it's over for him. But it kind of finished a good way. And JT's at home. We'll know because like JT were playing these last couple weeks. Like he would have not lost like he's a lock to lose ground to Lucas Glover the last couple weeks because Lucas Glover is out there winning where he's like at least JT

had a case. He could come out there and play well. You know, who knows how he can't do anything. He's just sitting at home while other guys are like vaulting into contention for the writer. Zach's picking JT. There's no way he doesn't pick him. I heard a little rumor. I don't know if it's true that JT played in Zach Johnson's pro on the Monday after Wyndham. Like, you know, he's doing, he's doing the right things.

He's, you know, he's got, I think he's making the team. I think they're friends. I think he's politically, he's played this right. He's got to be on the team. I think he's on it too. I mean, what do you, like, you're right, the, the golf, Twitter, bot people that are all about like, whoever deserves it. And they just don't think that it ever matters how well you played in the past

or how, like, well you gel with the team and all that. those people are going to be the biggest Lucas Glover proponents on the planet. You want to talk about those people. The whole in one controversy from last week was a fucking, it was a cesspool. It was a fucking cesspool.

I almost put out a video. I almost put out a fucking state of the union whole in one video. Rico Bosco called me. He goes, I got the riders on you. He's got the riders on me. It was a cesspool.

I mean, it was crazy. So, Riggs, you weren't on this, but basically we had a submission that said, And I can read it to you. Oh, my phone's gonna fucking die because I didn't charge it.

I saw a social clip and then I saw there was a lot of replies to it and then I checked out. That's right Danny and Riggs weren't here. The devil's in the details here. Basically he says, my buddy, my buddy's not a very good golfer, probably 25, blah, blah, blah, blah. So, okay, they were playing nine holes. They were playing 18 holes. And on the 10th hole, they saw that the pace was extremely slow. And they just went back to the first nine.

So their scorecard, everything, they went there. They purchased a ticket to go play 18 holes. The pace was too slow ahead of them. They went and played the front nine. And the guy got a hole in one on the third hole after he played it already in the front nine. And in the details, he's like, you know, the first time he flew on over 25 yards, second time he played around.

He went around and took a totally different club, ends up holing it out, hole in one. They go crazy. I'm assuming from the way that he wrote it, he was kind of on the argumentative side being like, well, like you, we went. to go play 18 holes. You played the hole again is that. So here's where everyone's missing what I'm saying. I'm saying it's a hole in one. In this clip, I said it's a whole in one. It's just, I said it's worth the debate on if there's an asterisk next to it. I'm not, I'm not, after this point,

after reading everyone's responses, I'm not saying that there has to be. I'm saying, can we have the conversation on if you play 18 holes and you're going back and just playing whatever hole you want to, does that open up the door to just playing whatever hole you want? Oh, let's go skip to seven let's go skip to three and let's go and then you just like get off the golf course you're telling me that that there's no asterisk next to that it's not a real round of golf and then everyone's like i play nine holes every day you're gonna tell me that's not it's like that's not what i'm saying yeah and didn't the guy also say that he went with an extra club or with one club less because he came up short yeah but everyone's like so if you play the course every day does it mean that's the

second time no one but people people are all so black and white that's a whole that's a whole one for me That's just a whole one. Yeah, but you're a clean guy. You're about the scorecard rigs like, what? You're just going to write it underneath like on the fucking. And I'm saying it is a whole in one, but it's just not clean. It's not clean. It's not clean.

I like that. I like the argument's like, where are you going to put it on the scorecard? You already played those. There's not enough. There's not enough rows for it. Look, that's true. I also think like you're going to almost any whole one is going to require a story. And that is definitely part of the story.

I think you're absolutely right on that front. But it's, It's like I would argue back that it's no different than if you played 36 holes in a day and you just played the same course twice. And you got the whole and one the second time. It's like, well, yeah, I mean, I think it is different. But we played the course twice. I think it is different. All right.

Here's where I really went crazy. So let's say that you four were in a group behind me and I'm playing with my buddies, right? Like I'm in front of you guys. You guys, you guys, Briggs's friends are behind me and I'm with my friends in front of you. And I say, guys, we're playing for a thousand bucks today. if someone makes a hole in one in these 18 holes, we will reward that person a thousand bucks and we're all going in on it,

everyone goes crazy. We go and play. Big Rob's with us, I assume. He's in your group? Big Rob's in your group. Yeah, dude,

Big Rob's brothers, the guy that submitted this thing. This guy's always affecting my life. So we're ahead of you guys. We go on through ninth hole, through the 10th hole, through the 11th hole. You guys are behind us.

Something happens. Maybe you guys don't like the way we're playing. And we find out that you guys went and played the front nine again. and we're on the back night and we're grinding it out and then someone goes crazy they make a hole one on three we all get to the clubhouse after and we find out that these guys played the front nine again we played the full 18 would you if you were in my group and you're arguing about if this is a legit hole in one would you say that that's a clean hole one over there be a discussion over some beers at that table and been like well like you played the third hole twice

and we had to play holes 12 and 16 like we didn't get a chance to fucking replay the hole today That's insane just because you just didn't like the base to play. I have to award you a fucking $1,000 wager here because you got to play the whole twice. Where would you stand on that rigs? Because I know where you would stand on that. Am I going to disagree that there would be a discussion? No, but I think it's a whole one. I think there's a massive discussion.

Yeah, but not every hole in one has a discussion. You could say, oh, it's the seventh hole. I hit a seven iron in the hole. And then that's a clean hole in one. Boom. Agreed. It's not, it's not perfectly clean, but it's a hole in one, I would say. It's worth a debate.

It's definitely worth the debate. If that guy's on his, you know, if that guy's a grandpa on his porch, he's like 78 years old and he's chatting with his grandkids who are getting into golf and they're like, do you have a whole and one? I think the yes or no answer is a yes. I would also say, and I saw a lot of comments like this and I agree with it where it was like it happens so infrequently. It's so rare that and for this guy, whoever he is, I'm sure he's just a regular weekend hacker. That's so rare that that's going to happen. Like let him have it. Now there is a floor to that, and I've made this argument on the show where part three, like a part three course, I don't count.

But if you're out there on a regular course, there's got to be crazy mitigating factors for me to take that whole and one away from that regular guy who's just playing on the weekend. So I, the threshold is pretty high. I got one at the cradle. Riggs has got one at the cradle. You guys fucking brutalized us. You hung us at the stake. You basically said that we weren't allowed to take that. We still got scars.

We weren't allowed. We weren't allowed to fucking. take it and maybe that completely changed my mind on what a whole one is because then like where is the door open where where is the line where is the line there where it's like oh it was an executive course it had six part threes on the front uh you know it was a 2 2 500 yard course all these things like come into factor all these responses didn't make any sense to me i wasn't talking about going out there and playing a nine whole course i was saying that they went to go play 18 and that clearly there was a discussion in a debate that when this guy went back to the front of

nine they were like isn't that supposed to be bullshit like why did he go back and play the hole again when we all played forward like that's insane to me so i brought that up i said i think that's bullshit it's not clean it's not clean it's worth a debate it i'm not trying to gate keep hole in ones have a whole one go out there and play the par three a million times if you get it and call it a whole one i'm saying this specific thing has to come with a story and it has to come with a little bit of a dirty story you got to say oh i didn't have the patience to keep playing i had to go to the front and play it again. My buddies kept playing.

It's just a, it's the same as like, I don't know, you go out there and you have like an evening stroll and you get a whole one, and the sun's coming down. Wouldn't you feel like, fuck, I wish I got a full round in today. I can only play six or seven holes today. That sucks that I got it on this round.

That would doubt, that's what I'm kind of saying. It's not as clean, but it's still a hole in one, I would say. And like, do you think that guy, like,

wishes he would have just played the, the back night or do you think he's happy with his decision? Because he ended up with a hole in one. No, because I think, he wishes he got it in a full round where he could put it on his fucking mantle. Yeah, you know, I bet he wishes he got it on the seventh hole pebble beach too, but it's like he, you know, he got a hole. I'm happy for him. It's a hole in one. You're not.

You're not. You're not. I'm happy. You don't sound that happy. You're making a, you don't sound that. I don't. I just want it to be a debate. Everyone's saying it's black and white, clean cut, hole in one.

Doesn't matter how many holes he played, play 250. I'm saying, I understand that. It's clearly a debate because it got like 18,000 responses. That's a debate. All negative towards me and Danny. Now that's a debate, baby. Yeah, you know, it's like would you consider it unclean a dirty hole in one if like you had the honor on the tea on a part three. But your buddy went first for like pace and we saw that it was playing way shorter.

So then you like clubbed down and got a whole one. No, this is such a Twitter botism. That was a Twitter bot response. I'm saying that if I played the full 18 holes and we have this match and you go back and play the front nine again, there's just something weird about that to me. You didn't go there to play a nine hole golf course. You didn't go to play to have that kind of routing. That's like not what you went out there to do. So I'm arguing on behalf of the guys that were in his group, in his buddies group.

They had two or three foursums out there. I'm on the other side saying, If I'm sitting at that grill room, we're having a discussion over a beer and some fucking crinkle cut French fries. We're having a discussion being like, why did you do that? Why did you go back to the front? Just play the round of golf. That's all I'm saying.

And I'm happy he got a whole one. I'm saying, you know, he wrote a one in there. I said that about that. That's where you're, that's your argument. Right. But I'm never saying it's not a whole one. You're getting really close. You're making the argument.

And if you want to say it's not a whole one, you can say it. I'm saying it is a whole one. Go back and listen to when we played the cradle. I kept asking you guys, what did I write in the scorecard? And you guys had to say one. And then we would end the podcast every single time. We did that for like a year. Everyone's forgetting that I was on the other side of this for like a year.

It's worth a debate. It's worth a debate. You guys said it was too short of a hole at the cradle. It's been a debate. I stand by that. Okay. So where's the line, Trent? Well, I just said I said part three courses I don't count.

That's whatever. Some part three courses are fucking insane. If you would have gotten one at the top of the rock, you wouldn't have counted it. No. 185 yard part three. It's crazy. What's the difference? So what's the difference?

You're playing par three course. You're playing par three over and over and over again. Petitive nature. So the guy playing the part three over and over again on the front nine is not the same thing that I'm saying? It is. I agree with you, Frank. Oh, so. Frank, you're going to end up somehow we're going to end up on the same side of this whole conversation.

We're getting close. We were. We are. I thought we were. What's the difference with what? Playing like a really long par three course and you're saying that you just played a part three before that. but like this guy kept playing the same part three. In my response,

people are like, you could just keep going no matter how many times. And if you get a part three, if you get up to a part three, you get a whole one, it's a whole one regardless. No, I just think on a part three course,

you're just playing par three's over and over again. That doesn't, you're like getting in a group. What if you got one on the first hole? I would still say no. I'm a part three course guy, no. But that's, that reasoning means,

makes no sense. If you're saying that you can't count it because you play par three's over and over again, what if you got one on the first hole? no i i'm just saying my line is par three courses that's it with no reasoning aside from you just play par three is a bunch yeah so if you play it on the first hole you have no response to that i'm saying it doesn't count yeah okay you want to not count this guy's part three no i'm i don't know where your line is that i'm saying that you're everyone that's on it's a it's a clean no

doubt hole in one side which is like 99% of the internet is is they have like a reasoning for that and that's just because it is a hole in one so i'm saying when you have a line apparently that you're drawing that a par three course does not count i want to know what the reasoning behind that is if this guy's hole in one is a clean cut no doubt about it no i would just prefer that it was on a real golf course okay i i don't know if that's good enough for you but that's what it is but that's different than what you just said two seconds ago where you're playing par three is a million times in a row i'd say it's both reason okay all right i'm just need to know where the line is because clearly there is one in the hole in one community.

There has to be one. I would also say it's just up to the batter. Like if you and your heart of hearts are proud of your hole in one and believe it was a whole one, that's all that matters, Frankie. I played with a guy, my friend Sam Crisp, the ginger guy from Pinehurst who got a hole in the first hole in the cradle. Did he count it? Oh yeah, he counted it.

Sounds like a loser. He's a winner. I think he's celebrated too by going and buying one of those golf bags in the pro shop. True. It is what you feel in your heart of hearts. Born alone, die alone. There's no like official designation of like I have extra. It sure felt like now I can go into this room. But if you don't have a whole one, you have to go into that room. It feels like it. All right, I'm going to go to Barso Classic. Before I go, I know you guys are going to do an ad read for this. And I actually, these shoes are so sick. I want to show them. These are the Pied Amler shoes. Oh, yeah, those are nice. These are the most comfortable thing in history. So again, I know you guys are going to do. Those are just like active wear shoes? Are those golf shoes? These are so light.

Nope. They're like chill. Like tennis sneakers. You know, they're great airport shoes. They're great, like go out, you know,

after maybe to the 19th hole shoes. Really nice. Go out after work. Get yourself a beer shoes. I need a pair of those. I need nice. I need nice. These are nice.

So you're going to see me flaunting these today in the Ryder Cup gear and we're going to go to this Tiger Woods. We're Tiger Woods won and have ourselves a good time. We got our defending champions, Josh Isner and Brennan Mahoney are going to be out there. Very nice. They have Barstool Classic Rule that if you want, If you won the Barstville Classic, you get a two-year exemption into the championship.

The caveat is you have to play in one of the qualifiers and not finish dead last in the qualifier. So as long as they finish not dead last today, then they'll be a non-done championship. So we had the guys from Toronto. They finished in second in that shootout against Isner. So they are coming for blood. They made it to the championship. They finished in third in the Toronto stop. So they are ready to go.

Those guys are some players. So yeah, it's funny. Like as we were in year five of this with the kids. classic there's like bad blood amongst like the champions and the people that finish behind them like everyone knows who they are and they're coming after them the next year it's it turned into a real thing a real thing i love that there was a lot of that in michigan too when we were up at uh grand travers which is a very difficult course you could tell if people you know people are starting to do the like hey we've done four years in a row or five years in a row and we've done all different stops has anyone

else done that i'm like yeah actually there's a handful teams that have done that so so uh so So yeah, we're getting there. But yeah, we're almost done with this season of the classic. It's only like a handful of stops left. So anyways, we're going to go to TBC Boston. You guys enjoyed Trotty. I love Trotty. Say hi to him for me, please.

Yep. Dude, how about in Toronto, the first group that went up there. I did the national anthem. I had to get the fucking. She's incredible, by that. Thank you. I had to go and get the microphone all the way to the first hole. It was chaos because like once they all get in their cart, they're all at their hole already.

And the first hole's right there. I had to get the whole system. So I'm playing the music. for the first hole. I'm announcing them as I'm walking up. I'm like out of breath. And the first guy hits it right down the middle. The second guy, I put the speaker down. I'm ready to go on. I'm playing the Chicago Bulls theme song. And at the top of his swing, the music stops. And he's just, he catches his swing and just drops the club and walks away. It was the most impressive thing I have ever seen in my entire life. He Tiger Woods like, full on at the most

torquing part of his swing, just stopped. And then looked at me. He's like, what the fuck was that? I was like, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I did not want to start your day like that. I just iced him. I completely iced him. He steps back up, drains one right down the middle of the fairway, and then ends up winning the thing.

They won the classic at Toronto. He had a long drive and he won. Yeah, that guy's a beast. Beast. That's legendary. That's a very difficult thing to do. All right. I'll see you guys later.

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Every time I see your face, every time I hear your voice, it makes me happier. I am a better person for knowing you. Trotty, how are you doing? You look fantastic with your Max home-ass mustache. You look amazing.

Frankly, you're just the best, mate. I mean, it's always awesome to speak to your lads. It's always brilliant. You're looking for yourself. Trent, I see you've gone for the standard issue outfit, as always. I love to see that. And Frank, you're getting a little patriotic early, are we, my man?

Yeah, you know, we got to start rep. And it's almost go time. We did a lot of Rider Cup talk today. I'm sure you have some, you know, opinions. Obviously, you are your European guy. So I'd love to see what you think about where the U.S. team stands before we get into all this Taylor made new equipment talk. We've been talking about, you know, the Brian Harmon's of the world. We obviously got Lucas Glover just shot up the rankings, you know, like where do you stand?

Like, would you like to see the U.S. play as a fan of Team Europe? Would you like to see the U.S. putting a guy like Lucas Glover because he's hot? Or do you like the fact that we have these names like the JTs and the Ricky Fowlers and all these guys that we want in? I want names in. Lucas Glover is one of the nicest blokes on tour. I don't know how well you guys know him, but if he makes it, gets in that team,

I am stoked for Lucas Glover. So if I'm a European player standing on the first team playing him, and that's why I'm not a player, I would be worried about it because the guy is a flat-out flusher, and now obviously he's figured out the flat stick. It's a concern.

And then Brian Harmon, I mean, I think I was the only person in sort of my circle of fraud. I was rooting for him from day one. I mean, obviously, I'm not the tallest bloke myself, so we have a little bit in common there. But, boys, he is just, he comes into that Georgia bulldog. I think he is the epitome of that, the absolute epitome.

Like, for me, as a European, I don't totally understand that. And then obviously, you guys get fired up about college. It is what it is. And then it's a bulldog, what are you talking about? But that guy is a bulldog and gets it done. And then obviously, at Hoyley, where I grew up as well, the boys back home were like Brian Harmon. I was like, guys, you have no clue.

He's the best champion you could ask for. He's a top boy, held his own. And by the way, that gets him a rider cup spot. And that's a problem, a real problem. There's something about those bulldogs, man. The Kisner's and the Harmon's, they're like five foot three, but they act like they're seven foot one. They've just got that mentality where it's like,

fuck you, I'm going to win this tournament. Like that was Harmon's big thing was he heard people chirping from the crowd like, this guy's not going to win it. And he's like, I'm going to win it. And then he did. It's pretty much an actual bulldog. So Trent, I mean, it's basically how did you feel for that, week when you were 14 years old and you were five foot three i mean you were there for about week

weren't you and you were invincible i obviously never got past five foot three i feel invincible even now i don't even think i saw five foot three i think i came out five five exactly rankees all fired up this today i mean what's going on but usually your half well we just got into a whole whole one debate that you know the twitter told me to basically go fuck myself and it's just at the end of the day, I get all hot and bothered. I'm all red in the face. Yeah, we got in a huge hole in one debate. And, uh, the Twitter just really, really gave it to me, Trotty. The internet gives and it takes and it's, uh, it's a fun place and it's the worst place on the earth sometimes. But fired up Frankie's fantastic. I mean, this is, this is still going to be the best podcast. I don't

have to do anything. I have to bring any energy. Because you go, oh, we love your energy, Trotty. I tried to get you going about the Ryder Cup. You were so nice. You're saying that you love Harmon and you love Glover me. I thought maybe I'd get some like, nah, screw those guys. Boys, I've been here too long, haven't I? That's the problem. All this jargon, right, I don't even know. It's all over the place. And then we get all these Danish lads coming in.

I mean, I hope they think, do. But I mean, they make great bacon. So if you get that going, it's going to be a hell of a Rider Cup morning, then that'll be awesome. Speaking of baking, I just got a flat top. I got a Blackstone grill yesterday. And I cannot wait. The first thing I'm going to make is bacon.

I heard bacon on that thing is outrageous. Just a nice flat top. You get a crispy that baker, right? Oh, my God. Some people eat bacon, and it's not, like, it's hard. You wrap it around their finger. I'm like, what you get? My dog's going nuts, guys.

Got let me. That's all right. Trotty, when I order bacon, I'll tell them, I want you to go back there and burn it to a point where you all have a discussion that you can't bring that out of the kitchen to your customer. And then leave it. After that discussion's been had, you leave it. I trust you on food, mate. I mean, a pizza situation. I'm the best pizza maker in my daughter's eyes in the world.

you want them there. I said, it's not me. It's the Borrelli recipe. It's not me. Frankie, you got to start there. Who was the sports announcer who would walk around with a picture of toast in his wallet? And when he would go to a diner, he would pull it out and be like, this is how I want my toast. You got to start doing that for bacon.

Was it Jim Nance? It might have been Nance. That's what you guys are. Maybe Al Michaels. Was it Al Michaels? Oh, I forget. That's the move. Trotty.

So I got my hands on these new P790s at the Barstool Classic in Toronto. Taylor made Canada reps were up there. I couldn't believe the difference in what I felt. Obviously, from looking at them from the outside, it's got that classic tailor-made P790 look. I'm like, oh, they don't look like they've changed that much. And they say the beauty is on the inside. And I didn't really understand it until I felt a couple of swings.

I was flushing some irons off the first tee at Eagles Nest in Toronto. And I looked back and I looked at Rob, our social media guy, and I go, that was different. Talk to us about these new P790s from Taylor May because they are incredible pieces of technology. So yeah, mate. I mean, it's like you've said, beauty is on the inside. You hit the marketing piece. So it's individually mass optimized.

All right. So what does that mean? What little bullshit was that mean? It means the CG of this golf club is moved individually in each lot. Now, couple that up, which you don't talk about much, that this sound state. stabilization bar, which basically means the top edge of the golf club has this soundpiece that impacts each and every individual iron that you hit. So not only do you get the launch out of the long iron that you need and want, the CGs moved. So in the scoring iron, when you gets like

7, 8, 9, it's changed to give you the flight and the spin you want. But each one's got this sound bar that then gives you the response and the feel that you need as a player. So we're hitting the visual, the audio, and the kinesthetic. in the feel and you're dialed. Then they've gone accuracy and consistency, so if you do get in, a little bit of a fly-a-lie, now based on controlling the stuff

inside of the golf club, it's not going to jump on you and send it into the freaking garden behind the green and you're looking at your caddy. That ain't happening. Now you've got control, accuracy, but the main thing is flighted CG, which was in the 770s,

now you got it in the 790s, and that's when you look up and you see the window, and it's just coming out there a little higher than what you would think in those long irons. Obviously, then you can play them stronger lofted if you want. Now, some of the people listen to this is like, ah, that's why they go forever. Now, when you move the loft and you have those characteristics, you still get the launch and you get the spin that you need.

So if you're a decent player, you can game the long irons for sure. Like Colin Morikawa played the long iron in the open because he just wanted to get one hunting down those hard fairways, and it was dream come true. You know, performed for him. obviously didn't play well there, but those golf courses where you've got to keep it under the wind as a good player or hit certain yardages, that club gives it you. But again, for the golfer that it's aimed at, individually mass optimized, everything going on inside, basically, you just got to hit it.

Right. For a golf club that looks relatively, I would assume the outside is almost identical, right? I didn't really notice anything much from the outside. It's very hard to tell. I mean, obviously, I think they've perfected that category. haven't they tailor made making these things look sick but have a lot of stuff going on inside. So it's not like, you know, looking down at a melted wellie. It's decent.

When I hit the four iron, I never in a million years. I don't know if it was like placebo effect or whatever because I knew what the technology was inside, but it felt so good and launched so high and was and went forever. And now what you're telling me about those flyer lies and like with an eight or a seven, sometimes like one of my complaints about a P7.9 would be sometimes that like you're, know you have that line the rough it's kind of teed up and you're just launching these things and you have no idea you have no control over those and it just ruins around sometimes you're like no way is that ball ob and it was like i feel like i didn't make that mistake with the swing i didn't make

that that mistake with the decision just something changed from this impact from the last and the fact that they've dialed that in it makes it the best golf club you can possibly purchase i mean i've i've been playing way better golf you guys did not move me into the seven 770, you didn't move me into anything else. You've kept me in the 790s that Taylor made. And I thought that there was a reason for that. Maybe I'm missing the center of the club face. Maybe I need a little bit more forgiveness. I don't know what it is. I can't get rid of them. They are so good. They feel so good. I know the yardage is now. I'm obsessed. And the fact that they got better is insane. They hit a wide range of players. So it's a player's distance iron category.

It's a forged hollow body construction. It's got speed foam air in there. Again, all things is golf you don't need to worry about. You do need to try it. The only thing I would say is when you get to level. So you're teetering on it now. You are opening up the 770 area if you want. But now that they've put these individually mass optimised and they've changed that CG location, the serious conversation is someone talking as strongly as you are about the 790. As a fitter, you wouldn't bother going 770. You're like the guy's stoked. Whereas in the past, there was something the 770 gave you that was quite different and you might have gone there. Now, I mean, again, you sound happy, so it's like, no, the guy's hitting it good.

All we've done is added control and accuracy into a club that, you know, that's the only thing it really needed, if anything, but it was a gamer before and it's a gamer now. It's good. I'm happy with what the guys are created. Obviously, those first look videos that go out on the internet, they are genuinely the first time I see the clubs. So they do it that way on purpose. I'm not a great actor. So, I mean, that is my response.

Look, I work for tailor-made. I want to say good things about the golf clubs. But trust me, I mean, you boys know me. in the past, I've turned and said to the guys, these things shite. But kidnapped from its 790s. How has life been for you, Trouty, recently? I feel like we haven't caught up, like,

you know, on a personal level. What have you been doing? Have you traveled at all? What have you been doing? It's an interesting one. There's a lot going on. I've been hanging out of the kingdom a lot. The Greg Manly, a guy that runs it there, has made me very welcome. So I've been involved a bit more with consumer stuff

and hanging out back there, fitting the old guide it comes in, a lot of celebs, a lot of camera stuff. First look videos like you see in, which pivots nicely to, I know Mill Grime 4 came out. I'm keen to talk about that. I don't want to rush this along. We're keen to get on it. But now, I've been, I've been on home games, which has been good. I did travel a little bit.

I was set to go to Chicago this week. Didn't make it. I've been out east on a couple of trips, but all just business stuff, nothing that's sexy, but just stuff for Taylor Made that's been, you know, we're working on a few cool things and it's great to see them. Sadly, I can't tell you too much yet. But obviously things go. Well, tease. A little trotty tease is what we call

that. Well, yeah. And if I start saying it, then everyone will be like, oh, what do you fuck you said? But you just got to keep an eye out. I mean, haven't said that, Scotty Sheffler played one of these new products that we've got coming last week. So it's, he played a prototype version of a potter that were

working on. I know I can tease about that one. Which has a, it's a spider technology with a forward CG that he was playing. We've gone there before. His one was a prototype version. He fell in love with that true path on the top, which is that white line, which I always talk to you, lads, about that.

And I'm quite passionate about that because I was involved in that project, and it focuses the eye for alignment. I know when you guys play, it's fun, it's jovial, as it should be. But our eyes, if they're fucked up on alcohol, then, yeah, they get off a bit. But also if we get tired on the round of golf, they get off. Shephler's now endorsing this. He's into it, and he loves that alignment piece on top.

So it's great when you see stuff that connects there and further down in the amateur rags. And yeah, I've been a bit involved in that too. So there's been a lot going on. Again, I just can't say a ton. I love it. I love a tease. Tees me all day. Hey, real quick, when you talk about putting in the alignment, I want to get, I just went

to do another Fixing Frankie episode with Dr. Brett McCabe. and he was talking to me about a little bit of process when it comes to putting and where my mind should be. And then he gave me a pointer that obviously he's not like a technical golf coach or anything like that. But he gave me something that he had picked up by being on tour a lot was when you looked at the golf ball, he said, find a dimple on there when you're putting. Do you do that or do you just look at the ball? It really got me thinking about what do I actually look at when I'm standing over the ball. And I never thought about it. I guess I just look at the general area. down by my feet, but now I was focusing in on a dimple and I was actually striking the ball

in the center of the club face. You know, Fleetwood does a lot of stuff like that. I should talk to him about that when you see him next because he obviously has the picks on top and he gets focused on stuff like that. I have in the past looked at a dimple. I don't currently. I only do that if I'm in a fairway bunker. I don't know if anyone's told you about that thing, but if you're in a fairway trap, it's be a good one for you, Trent, and you tighten your grip. So say you've got 160, yards and you're going to hit whatever club you hit 160 yards. Frankie with his new 790s, he's going with wedge, but most normal humans are hitting a little more than that. But if you grip it, most blokes grip it lower down. There's no need. If you grip it tighter, all the muscles in your

arms shorten then. So then you lift the arc of the golf club where it's going to connect the staff. You lift it because you've tightened your muscles. So now you've raised it already. Then if you focus on a dimple on top of the ball, that ensures that you don't chunk the crap out of it by hitting too low into the sand. And you just make your normal swing. And provide you got enough loft to carry the lid. Looking at dimples. I like that. Boys, I've been hanging out with this guy and he's an engineer.

So it's a lot. You've got to be on it. And he's been talking about time and motion and clubs how they swing through time and putting. Trent's already like, no, not for me. I'm in. Is this Dr. Strange you've been hanging out with? It feels like it. He's a good dude and he's like a little bit older so he sort of doesn't really get my

fuck anymore, which is brilliant. So I can ask him and he'll tell me exactly what he takes. And it's all about like, we figured out that I can't read certain parts, but it's certain directions. And then he's talking about how the potter moves through time. And that thing that you were saying about the dimple, I think what that guy's trying to do, he's trying to get you out of where you're analysing your mind and just into like being an artist. because if you can get somewhere that just triggers you to go,

my missus, I took her to play golf yesterday, and she's obviously new to it, pretty new to it, she only toys her out, maybe once or six months. Taking forever to hit the shot. So I get her on the shot clock. I'm like, right, you can have one look and then go. And then she's like, well, I'll walk off then. She's like, where you go?

And I said, well, you've had one look. You're not, that's your shot clock. I'm done. Like, what else are you thinking about? Nothing's going to change. The target's not moved. The ball's not moved. Get going.

And then my daughter was there, too. Same deal. And they're both bitching at me. And I'm like, no, guys, you're on a shop clock. I was on the third. They were still on the first. That's amazing. That's what he said.

He said, it wasn't, it had nothing to do with, like, me actually coming through the ball. It was the fact that I was looking at my target, looking down, then looking at my target, looking down, doing a couple of wagels and putting. He goes, find a dimple. And he says, find the dimple and say go in your brain. Or putt. He said, just say putt.

And just putt. And I just was, I was hitting it and just like, go. And we were, and there, the lag putting from 25. I was just getting it into that circle. I wasn't thinking. I was just being an athlete. And I was just like, I know where this goes if I hit it at this page. Did you see Wyndham Clark on that chip shot he had down the last few holes in his bag man

to him be an athlete? I mean, how good was that? Amazing. Did you see Wyndham Clark when he won that year or so just hitting cuts? Even though the hole required a draw, he would only allow himself to hit the cuts. See, I'm such a dick that I'll stand there. And if the designer wants you to play the hole with a little baby draw, I'm standing there with a club, then I can't draw, with a move I can't draw,

trying to draw it, because I think that's the way it's good. I mean, the guys just won't you. So beat Rory McElroyd, down the stretch, who was ump in it, and he should be an athlete, be what you can be. It's like the pickleball stuff, when I watch your boys play that. Everyone and every man in their dog loves pickleball. You can play, I've still yet to play it, which I'm proud of, but whatever. Like, picking up and you play it, I'll be able to play.

Easy. But if you think about it, when we go into it, we don't know the technique involved, and you just go, yeah, pickleball, pickleball. If you did that with your golf game, certainly you take kids out to play and they just ball out because they're just playing the game. When you're lost in not playing the game, which again, tying it back into equipment, 790,

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He had these new wedges in hand, won the damn thing with them. These mill grind fours. I saw these as well. I was nipping them around at the Barstall Classic. That face, you got to talk to us about the technology in these MG4. These are, it almost burnt my hand off. that face. I mean, they got so many etchings and all that lasering. It's incredible. Frankie, first look videos, I swear to God, Trent, you've got to get on these things too.

These are, and I want this on the official quote list, the best tailor-made club I have picked up in the last five to eight years without. Wow. Without a doubt. I am not a wedgeman. I don't love wedges. I don't get horny about wedges. Some people in the golf industry get so fired up about wedge. Ryan, shout out, he's a wedge. You know, you're in the shit. You've got to hit your wedge. Boys, this thing.

So what makes it that much better? I mean, your face is insane. You're like, you're, you're getting fired up. You're getting horny about these wedges. Yeah, you're getting all horned up. What was the difference? Because I thought the MG3s were great. I thought the high toes are, what's so great?

Look, you're shaking your head. What's so good about these? It's just a fucking joke. They're a joke. So what's gone into it? And again, I'm going to talk about it because I mentioned that. I gave him a hard time last time, and I didn't mention him when we sat the kingdom. That Grant Horvack came back to the kingdom, right?

Yeah. And Taylor made the marketing lads are scrambling, trying to get him these wedges, and these wedges turned up. I ain't even got these way. So I'm like, Jesus Christ, you've got to be a YouTube guy to get these freaking wedges now, whatever. And I'm starting to like Grant. He's a good lad. He's got some good banter.

And he's a nice player. And I watch him hit these little knit wedges to the sort of 60-yard pig and it comes down, it lands and it goes, and of course, he gives it the YouTube reaction, and he's like, whoa, oh, I'm like, Jesus Christ, here we go again. Like, chill out, Grant. And he hits another one, and it goes,

and I'm looking at it going, Jesus, he's better than me. That's what was going through in my mind. I'm like, see that much better than me. So then he goes to me, yeah, have a shot, Trady, and I'm like, all right, Grant. So he's this colossal human, so I grab his wedge off him, and I've hit the first one like an arseau,

cured it a bit heavier. gets near the flag but chumps up and runs. He gives it the YouTube reaction. I'm like, he's seen nothing yet, right? I'm on it. Zip one, and I catch it, and he goes,

dun, dun, don't. And I look at this wedge, and even I'm now like, shit. You're starting to give YouTube reactions? You can see that my YouTube reaction is ready to rock. And I'm like, stay calm, stay calm, stay calm, stay calm.

Handing back the wedge. I'm like, chill out, chill out. The next day, I do the Mill Grind 4 first look on this thing. And I've just done the 7991. I was into it. I like the 790s. It's not my genre,

but I like them, and I totally get it. You're a handicapped balfa that needs that iron or you want to play the two or the three eye. Yeah, we start doing this thing.

And the guys were like, Trotty, we've got to move on to the next segment of this. No, no, no way. There's no way. And these wedges were built in my spec,

and then Steve, behind the camera, grabs the wedge. I said, get off it. He said, what do you mean? I went, that's going in my back. I said, you ain't hitting my wedges. Get off it. Through it in my back,

straight away. I'm the only one hitting these wedges because these things are a joke. They've got these grooves on them. They're calling them spin treads. They're at this 45 degree angle. I swear to God, when you take the sticker off and you put your finger on the thing, you can literally chafe the freaking. I felt like I burned the face of my thumb.

It was, it was, I never felt anything like it. They are so grabby. So then you start hitting them and you're like, why do they feel good? So then I went to see Cesario. Greg Cesario, whose dad was a wooden club builder. Like, won all these awards in America for building wooden clubs, sadly passed away now. Caesar played on the PGA tour, and Caesar's obviously pretty switched on about golf clubs. He's one of those wedge guys who just geeks out on it.

And I started chatting to him, and the shaping's changed. So the belly of the wedge, the leading edge isn't as straight. So when you open the wedge, it doesn't look as aggressive. It's not like pushing. That's one thing. Okay, well, we've seen that before. the back flow shape has changed. Okay, but I was like trying to get into,

what is it, what is it Cesar tell me? And then eventually, he lies, well, we've got more mass here, and he hells up between the leading edge and the back flange of this club. There's more weight behind the back, behind the ball. And then I start, I pull up an MG3. And I look at them next to each other, and it's like a poor relation.

And I just looked at him and I went, why has it taken, why, how have we not freaking done this? Like, why have I been using this shit? And now you get me. What are you doing? It's just like, well, you know, I did, blah, blah. It talks about Rory McElroy and Bay Hill and how they start. I was like, Bay Hill.

That was in March. How I'm not seeing this until now? That's what I'm pissed. I mean, you start talking about. But mate, the feel and the flight as a result of where he's got that mass, it's a joke. It's a joke. And then the ones I've got, I've got this beautiful raw finish on them. And it's like, they're just pure.

They are mint. and I'm now like chipping all the time, practicing me chipping again. I just want it at the wedges. Yeah, you've turned into a horned up wedge guy. You don't even know it, but you're in. You're fully deep into this. It's erotic wedge porn now. Yeah, and then of course they've got the solar on it,

which is that mill grind thing that Taylor made do, which basically means you haven't now got to spend 45 minutes at the grind wheel. In few, they're just inhaling crap off the bottom of this thing. People think grinding wedges is cool, but I'm telling you sit there with the goggles on, God was all charred up. You can't really see it. You're just getting caked and shit. And it is one of them.

At the end of the day, I mean, the wedge looks cool when you've finished, but now it's all done for you. So that's great. It's an amazing piece of technology. I'm telling you guys, this is, this is, uh, you could tell when Trotty is just going through an ad,

or he's really just kind of like going through the motions and when something really just strikes him. And, you know, these MG4 is the fact that you told us we had to get to them. That's, that's special. Honestly, they are proper. I mean, I keep us on this. It's a wedge. go there's tall boys using them. Rory was frothing about them since Bay Hill.

Colin Moracawa has just got into him. We're talking like tricky. Tricky. Tricky, trickier than your mother-in-law boys. And he's it. He's playing a light swing weight in the lob wedge. That doesn't make sense. He's gone to D2.

S.E was telling me like he feels like that's the balance point. And he's gone for a light head. And he was saying that Colin can now feel the head a lot more of the lob wedge, which is interesting because most of us would play a slightly heavier swing weight. Don't be intimidated by that. It just means the balance point. Because the shaft is shorter, the head is a bit heavier. We can feel it a bit more.

But he's gone the other way, which doesn't surprise me because he's switched on. I mean, he's smart cookie years when it comes to golf equipment. But he's tricky. I mean, he's tricky. And he knows he's tricky. I've told him he's tricky, so I'm saying nothing new here. But it's good that he's tricky. It's just challenging, you know what I mean?

But, boys, if he's in him, that's a big one because he's tough. We, we're approaching seeing you. I'm assuming that we're all going to be down there right for this fall. I mean, it's like the yearly annual C-Troddy and see all the Taylor Made guys. I'm excited for that. Was it in November this year? Yeah, I think so. I think I'll be there for sure.

November's what I'm hearing, usual Thanksgiving week, somewhere in Florida. So it'll be a good crack. It's going to be great. Love seeing you down there. I'm trying to think of what else. We haven't talked to you forever. I don't want to just be equipment talk. I know.

Well, listen, I've been keeping up. far. I saw that beautiful t-shot off the last Trent for the break 90. Well, when you guys were talking about looking at a dimple, don't spend too much time over it, I was the antithesis of that. I was over it for three to four minutes. Yeah,

and then I just topped it 15 feet. So we're still trying to slay that dragon, but I almost had it at that time. But it's there. Yeah. It's there and your wing man, bless him. The guy was living it with you. Frankie, living it with you. I'm going to put him in an early grave with

that series. He like, he, he's out there living it, living and dying, more dying recently. But yeah, no, it's, it's something I got to do. But I am close. What are the stats saying? You have to be tracking the stats. What a way? Where's the problems? Pudding. Yeah, man. I don't have the stats in front of me. Alex, if you can pull those up, my phone just died, which is the same. So what? Um, so. On putting no, trend. I mean, what is left to right is right? You've just heard a bunch of stuff said today about looking at dimples and jazz like that. You've got to be fixing that. I know. I just three putt all the time.

It just feels like it happens more often than not. We need like a legit practice routine for Trent that he can actually progress like at certain things with like a fun sort of practice routine. You know what I mean? I think we need like a process. So this is just going out there and trying to accomplish it. It's really, really hard. If you go out on tour, all they do is calibrate.

They calibrate start line to line. Look, I get it. I actually love practicing potting. So some people get horny about wedges, I like practicing potting. But you just need a calibrated drill that gets your start line to what the reed is. Once you get that, you can't control anything else. Because the pace is the pace. I mean, you can figure out the pace.

Obviously, the hole, if you think about it, there's not one way to make a pot. There's freaking 70 ways to make a pot. You've always got to cut the hole into chunks of pizza. Different avenues of which you can make a left. to right or right to left or left are based on speed. But if you're not starting the ball on the intended line, you're screwed. I also should think about that drill that you had us do where you, where you're, you're blindfolded and you walk. Like I don't, I never, like I always leave putt short. I'm rarely going past the hole. So that's, that's a big problem of mine too. And I always

leave myself with way too much on, on the second one. So tour average is short as well. So you're not in the minority there. So then what you've got to do is start embracing beyond the hole. But also, then equipment-wise, firmer insert, deeper CG, maybe less loft on your potter. A couple of things there to help you get the energy transferred into the golf ball. But, mate, you've got to come up with something that is start lines. I guarantee you it'll be chalk lines or get like a simple stroke down, which is a over-the-top line that you can put in the green. And you might feel a bit of a douche, but, mate, you'll shoot 85 in no time.

Because everything else feels great. The driver, it's amazing how much easier the game is when the drive is in play. When it's not just in the rough when it's down there, 235 yards in the fairway. Now you just have an easier way to go. And the irons are great. The steels. I fucking love those irons. The wedges have been good.

Essie sent me those new wedges that you guys were talking about, which I'm thrilled about. It's just I got to clean up the putting and I legit think I'll be mid-80s in no time. Yeah, yeah. I saw you fanning around with grips. Did you go more tapes, less tapes? I think I'm still the same. I think it's what it was before, yeah. I'm switching to those Z grip, the cord Z grips.

I felt those on the new 790s and I just loved them. I don't know. Something about, I have the what, the multi-compound ones. I've used those forever. But something about that Z grip just felt really, really good. What do you use? I'm on the original tall velvet. It's like the OGs.

I mean, your boy Dan would need the Z-grip, the sweatiest man on earth. I know. I'm a big grip guy too, but I don't see. sweat through my asshole like he does. Him and Lucas Glover are the two sweatiest guys in the world. Big Z grip guys, they gotta be. I don't know what it is.

I've even playing baseball when I was growing up. I needed just, I had the stickiest grip that anyone on the team had. I just needed it. Maybe it's just my pathetic grip and I don't really have muscles or, you know, four-arm muscles or I don't have strong hands. You'd think I'd be better.

I play the drums. I have to hold wooden sticks all the time. You think I'd be better at like actually grabbing shit, but I can't. You gripped those things up or what? Oh, I grip these nice. Yeah, these are fine. Woo-hoo!

Come on. Show it off. Speaking of playing music, we're playing music at Dave's Pizza Fest. I feel like that's something that you would fancy, Trotty. Dave's doing that pizza fence. It's in September 23rd in Coney Island, where, you know, the Coney Island, obviously famous for like the Nathan's Hot Dogs and all the rides there. And he's going right on the baseball field where the cyclones play, the Brooklyn Cyclones.

and we have like 40 plus of the best pizza places in the world in America coming to this, this pizza fest. The fact that he's pulled this off, I mean, I'll, I'll be stunned at how this this is pulled off. I mean, you've got old school, 100 year old pizza places coming in with these crazy ovens that they're ordering so that they can be mobile. And you're talking about places that have two to three hour lines just to get in. and when you go to this pizza fest,

they're all going to be there just for the taking. It's going to be incredible. How do you think you're going to have about it? So Borelli's going to be there. They told my dad to be prepared to make over 5,000 slices for the day. Wow. So that'll be, yeah,

that'll be quite the fest. I'm down if it's a spot oven. Yeah. You are such a pizza connoisseur that I would love to have you there. I'll sneak in with a band. You'll be our band guy. You can just hold, come in with that.

You look like you could be a roadie. You come in with like the holding the, holding the symbols or something. You're in. Then you're eating pizza rest of the day. You're in. I already just got your ticket. I've been hanging out with a lot of music guys. And some of these boys are good at golf really.

Yeah. Some of them. I mean, obviously all they do is play music, chill out and then play golf. And it's been, that's the sort of circle. I mean, since the U.S. Open came to L.A., I was up there a bit and then started meeting all these guys in the music industry. And it's been, I've been working a lot of stuff with that. So that's cool.

good cats, good golfers. Totally different vibe on the course. Any big names that you can mention? Not yet. You gotta just stay calmly. I got, now I'm getting excited. I'm excited.

I like them. They're good guys. And I'm like music with these boys. I'm more into golf. These guys love it because I'm not talking musical all day with them. Yeah. God, we're going to have to find out who that is.

Trotty, this has been great. Obviously love talking to you. Love seeing you. Can't wait to see you in Florida. Hopefully we see you for the Pizza Fest. Absolutely. Yeah, follow Trotty on YouTube.

Doesn't disappoint, boys. Sorry I wasn't more sort of motivated about Europe. We've got to get our team organized. Rosie's got to get in there and then we'll see how we go. I'm sure you will be when you, I mean, I think US is going to have their hands full. And I'm sure that Europe's going to jump out to a nice early lead

because it's going to smack these guys in the face with all this controversy on who's going to make the team and what's the, what's the vibe going to be like in the locker room? That first day is going to be a tough one to really overcome. I think it's going to be, I hate when there's this much discussion and so much controversy about it. Because it puts way too much pressure on the guys that deserve to actually be there. You know, it's like when you're talking about who's going to make the team and all that, like we need the guys that are going to be our horses to just play well and not to worry about who the 12th guy in the team's going to be.

Well, we talked about it before. We need Scott Schaeffler to be a killer out there. A lot of it is set up every time, depending on where you're at, the setup is going to be in the favor of wherever you are. So that's something they're going to have to deal with. Once they pick the team and whoever's on it, they got to be able to play the golf course. And it's not going to be whistling. I'll tell you that much.

No. So I don't know if like where we're at on this, we'll talk about it, but obviously the selections of Bryson and the live stuff and all that. Is that a, interesting. I mean, surely you've got to just have the best guys play it, right?

That's what the Ryder Cup is. That's what bothers me a bit about Garcia and stuff. I mean, can he be a pick? I mean, he'd be a great. But I don't know where they're at with that. I haven't followed it enough. Yeah. So, I mean,

I fall on the stand. of I believe that if you are, I take multiple things to account. How are you playing recently? And then how have you played for the Ryder Cup team in past? I know that turns it into a boys club and all these captain picks end up being the same guys. But if you're Justin Thomas and you're 16 and 4 in Ryder Cup and President's Cup match play history and you're an absolute murderer on the golf course, I understand you're missing cuts.

You're not in the playoffs. But that has to also fall into a massive bucket of why you're supposed to. to be on the team. You can't just dismiss that because you're missing cuts and because you're going OB on one hole, but you're making seven birdies on the front nine and you just can't get things going because you have one bad hole, which doesn't even matter a match play because you have a fucking partner out there that can help you. As long as you're making birdies, you're going to win. So I'm falling into all these places where it's like, you know, Bryson, he's performed. The guy drove the first green at Whistling Straits and when it went

to the crowd and went crazy and he held up his driver like he was fucking Harry Potter. It was incredible. Wow, there it was. He almost got through it. It happened. I was waiting for it. Had to get it done. So yeah, I don't know. I understand that certain guys in their career, you got your Lucas Glovers and you got your Brian Harmon's and Wyndham Clark's going to be in there. Yeah, they deserve it. But man, if you just dismiss all of the things that you've done for me in the past, I can't stand by that. I'm not just going to go based off statistics. I can't do that. There's heart U.S. situation is much tougher to figure out than the European one. The only question one in Europe is the Garcia one, but his boys were Donald.

So you've got to think he's in the middle. I think he's on the team. He's got to be. It's got to be. And then obviously Rory and him have kind of made up now or whatever. So he's got to be. That was all the Rider Cup thing. It has to be.

And then if that happens, I like where we're at more. And, you know, we're going to need, the Westwood and the Polter. and the stents. Those boys were drifting out anyway, so there was always going to be new faces for us. And these lads coming in for us, they've played that goal. Of course, they know, they just don't know rider cops. So, you know, we'll have three or four new guys, but the truth is we're going to have them anyway. I think as long as we have Garcia, it's a big, big thing. I really do. There we go. We're starting to get some wheeze out of you. You're starting to get into this. We need this. We need that. We need that.

What a freaking jacket? I've looked at it for 30 minutes. I'm getting fired up now. I need to see this one. Oh, there's some crazy. There's some crazy ones. They're awesome. This one will be just at the PJs. Is this the flag one? Yeah.

Oh, the flag one. I threw the flag one in my apartment the other day. I was like, this is great. Oh, my God. Pete. I got to figure it out. I'll get it's going to get it. Amazing.

Oh, shit. Truddy, you're the best, man. I got to go get lunch. What the hell am I going to eat today is the question. You know? A pizza. Exactly. Right.

Trotty, we love having you on. We'll see you soon. Stay in touch. Follow Trotty, obviously on Instagram, everywhere he's at on YouTube, watch all of his first reaction videos. So when he gets these new clubs,

they're incredible. He is one of a kind. He's going to tell you how it is. MG4. Go watch that video so that he just basically told you. Is that out already or has it not come out? He's out tomorrow. I think so.

Oh, perfect. I think it's tomorrow. So today. So go on. It's going to be on Taylor Made you. and make sure you go and check it out. Fricking honestly, guys, just get your wallets ready because it is a joke.

A joke. Amazing. Absolutely sold. Boys, I love what you do. Keep it going. Love you. Thank you, Trotty. Awesome.

Cheers, lads. Take it easy. Fuck!