Fore Play - Fore Play vs Old Man Golf Media

Episode Date: December 19, 2019

We're back in a big way after stirring up golf twitter. We breakdown and react to the whole thing. Then the finale of the Roo Cup is revealed as we relive playing The Dunes, Barnbougle Lost Farm, and Barnbougle Dunes Course on Tasmania!You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

Hey, 4Play listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcast, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Large show today, big show. We caused quite the stir. That's really the best way to say it. On, I guess, Sunday in the United States of America, which was our Monday here in Tasmania. We were commuting from Melbourne to Bondbougal, which is on Tasmania. We got a lot to get to in terms of we got three full rounds of golf to talk about. The Dunes, which we played, which is in Mornington Peninsula, south of Melbourne. We played against four local Aussies, had a great time with them.

Then we obviously got to Barnbougal, played the two courses here, Lost Farm and the Dunes course. So we got a lot of golf to break down before we get to any of that. We obviously have to get to Foreplay versus Old Man Golf Media, as we have deemed them. And really what happened was during that commute, started to see some tweets, some action that we really just weren't happy with. And so we just started kind of reply it to it and putting our feelings and thoughts out there. People responded to that. And next thing you know, golf Twitter was in a fucking spiral out of control. Yeah, it started a little bit with Shackleford, which we touched on in the last podcast, where he took a condescending shot at us in his blog about the President's Cup.

and his blog was all about how everyone should feel dissatisfied with the outcome because Patrick Reed ruined everyone's party, whatever. None of it made any sense. But in it, he said the only people excited about are going to be Tiger and his fanboys with credentials. And then that sort of spiraled into, I feel like it gave people the confidence, like what that John Huggin guy and Bob Herrick in particular, who were just boy. They were, they're just steaming mad that we dapped up Tiger at the President's Cup. and they're saying that's not how journalism should be in 2019. So Bob Herrick, Shackleford, Huggin, who I don't even know who that is. He blocked me before I even knew who he was.

Is that right? Yeah, because he quote tweeted Frankie's tweet about, he wants Tiger to play so well that Abraham Answer never plays golf again. Yes. Funny tweet. Very. The guy, John Huggin, quote, tweeted and said this, PJ Tour gave this guy a credential. But I couldn't see that tweet because he had already blocked me.

So I was like, what's everybody freaking out about? But yeah, he was one of the guys. So we're going to break all that down. Okay, okay. Okay. I'd first like to break down Supreme Gault. Oh, yeah. It's getting cold out there in a lot of places,

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It's very friendly of you guys. We love it. So we're going to break all this down. We will have Jeff Shackleford on the show. We're not all going to be back together really again until New Year's, right around New Year's. It is most likely when we'll all be together again. and so we will have him on the show.

He tried to call us out and said, I'd love to go on the pond and discuss, but we obviously know that's never going to happen. Oh, no, no, no, that's definitely going to happen. We have no problem. We will debate you. We will air all of this out and see what we get. It might be a civil conversation.

It might get out of control. I really don't know. But, Frankie, you did tweet out. Yes. Yeah, so I tweeted out during the round. I said, Tiger is back in the lead. Now it's go time. Step on the gas.

I want answer to quit the game of golf when Tiger is done with him today. And like it's just we're huge fans of Tiger Woods. That's what I am. I'm at the Presence Cup. I want Tiger Woods to step on his throat. And, you know, maybe answer just like gives up his love for golf. Maybe his love of golf just leaves his body because he's gotten so demoralized by the mythical creature that is Tiger Woods.

That's just like what I was thinking. Yep. So everything happened. We dab up Tiger Woods. The whole, everything's happening. You know, we got in the original fight over the, um, Scoop City. So I think people are already just like agitated with us being there and like, we're just getting all this like exposure and media you know everyone's basically sucking our dick

on twitter to their you know in their minds they're like how the fuck are these guys doing it so john hugging whoever the hell this guy is this old bag he just writes he quote tweets it and just goes just so everyone is clear the pGA tour gave this guy a media credential for the president's cup and he did one of those like arms up emojis like i don't know shrugging you know yeah it's like john huggin yeah they gave us a fucking media credential and why am i not allowed to root for my for my favorite golfer. Why is that wrong? Why do you have to be an unbiased

national journalistic reporter to talk about golf? What world is that? You don't. And it's not like anybody is unbiased. And you made the point, Frankie, when we were in the car together

of like, when Jeff Schaufford writes about it, like he clearly writes with an opinion. His opinion actually is that you shouldn't even root for the U.S. team because Patrick Reed is on it. And he thinks Patrick Reed's the worst part of the world.

Patrick Reed's public stance is not that he cheats. His public stance is like, no, no, my intent was never to cheat. So really, whether you, like, you want to decide whether you think he cheated or not, a lot of people think he did whatever, he is imparting and, like, imposing his opinion upon everyone with, and our opinion just happens to be we love Tiger Woods and we want the U.S. to win. That's our opinion.

That's our bias. And we're very open with it rather than a lot of these media, journalists, whatever, like, that seeps into everything. That's a part of everything. And if you're a fan of the game, like, when they're calling us fan boys or fans, that's like, yeah, we're fucking massive fans of golf. We love golf. We talk for three, four hours a week on a podcast about golf because we love it.

We talk all the time. Everybody talks all the time. But when you walk through these media centers, how fucking miserable it is. Everybody in there is miserable. They're quiet. They're old. They're just old. They're losers.

They're not like moth balls. They're not excited about anything. They turn their head over their shoulder. If they hear an ounce of like enthusiasm or excitement about anything, hey, dude, we're here because we fucking love the game. Like the fact that we get to be inside the ropes is incredibly exciting. You, if you love golf, whether you're fucking, whether you're Shagherd or Herrick or whoever, if you love golf, like being inside those ropes and being near Tiger or Rory or whoever at any tournament is really cool. You should be excited about that. Yeah.

So it's like why being a fan is that that's like a diss that they throw around at us because they believe and they that they should be able to tell people how they should act. and it's like no no we can just act for ourselves and do our own thing why are you jumping in to throw shots at us and then like playing low as me and all that when you get the smoke comes back at you like this is fucking us doing our thing you do your thing you write your articles we don't care do your thing yeah somewhere along the line they decided that the way that we do it and the or the way that they have been doing it is the way to do it like and they cover i saw somebody tweeted it's as i mean they cover it like it's as serious as politics like we're going to cover this and it's going to be important we're not going to lean one way or the other, and they have just decided that that is the only way you can

cover golf across the board. If you try to come in and do something new, you're doing something wrong, and you can't dab up Tiger Woods. But what we're saying is, newsflash, there's not one way to do it. You can't decide that there's a singular way to cover the game of golf because there's not. And if new guys like us come in and we're covering in a different way, they're going to get really mad about that. But guess what? Another part of the reason that they're mad is because what we do is people like it. It's pretty popular. It's incredibly popular. So they feel threatened by it. So the only thing that they decide to do is be like, no, you can't do that. They wave a finger at it. And that's just not the way to go about it. There's no logical reason for them to care or comment or throw shots at us, which they clearly do, unprovoked shots, unless you're either jealous or threatened. There's no other logical explanation. Right, because we were just doing our own thing. Right. Why would you care? Right. They're saying, look at what I'm doing. Look what I've been doing for the last 120 years. Right. Right. on my fucking typewriter and putting out my pieces on the on on you know like everything you're supposed to be doing and all the rights and wrongs when you're stepping on to a golf course like

you know they think like they wrote the book on what is supposed to be done in their eyes and all this bullshit you know we got to do with these people we got to put them in a home that media center all those people need to be putting home start wheeling beds in there you know call up the home and say get those linens out of the closet we got a couple beds to make you know get the get them their white sneakers, you know, put them in a, put them in their white sneakers and put them in a fucking chair and just stare them out into a, into a, into a, into a nice sit. Give them those. Give them those with Sunday, Monday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Friday on them. Get a bunch of those order, order a bunch of beds, a bunch of white shoes and just send off in the past year. Get Shackleford,

just a nice corner room overlooking, maybe a nice rolling hill. And just let them, just let them stare out the window because that's where he's going. Talk about birds for the rest of his life. Talk about birds. Talk about the weather coming in. Shackleford's a real one of the worst ones because he takes condescending shots at us. He's not that old. He's not that old. But he's been taking condescending shots at us for a couple years now. And it's just like I kind of lost my train of thought because I was getting so mad thinking about it.

But he like, he thinks he'll come at you and be like what these guys are doing is wrong. And then people who support us will come at him and be like, they're actually doing more to grow the game than any of you old people are doing. The things that they're trying to get younger, they're demographics. graphic is what golf needs in order to stay alive. And then he'll shackleful or turn course. He'll be like, oh, that's great. Oh, if they're growing the game, then let them do whatever they want. So you got to decide, are you, you're kind of talking out of both sides of your mouth.

You're saying what you guys are doing is wrong and it's not the right way to do it. But then when, like, like, Rick said, you get the smoke, you change your tune and they're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, if they're growing the game and then it's not a problem. Yeah, there's got to be a mutually agreed upon point that we can, like, all see and move forward with. Because I think they, like, maybe get upset with your tweet about Woods versus answer, being like, no, you have to root for, like, good golf and, like, good etiquette and good play, but you can't pick sides? Why can't you pick signs and root for this guy? But that's also bullshit because they don't get mad at, like, when you go to the Ryder Cup, the Spanish media is there, the legitimate Spanish media, and they are going nuts for John Rom.

The only person they cover is John Rom. They're so excited when John Rom beat Tiger Woods. I was fucking there. I watched them. They don't get mad at those people because clearly they have, like, an agenda. They want to put out puff pieces and all that. and pump up their guy. That's fucking Spain is represented at the Ryder Cup in front of the world,

and their Spaniard took down the Americans. Very cool. Good for them. That's a fucking great moment. They should be excited about it. The same reason that us were fucking American. The players that we know best are the American players. Like, those are the guys that come on our show that give us a lot of love.

We got America on our fucking quarterships that we sell. We're proud of that. And therefore, we want to be well represented. We want to root for those guys. And they're zero wrong with that. And they fucking know that. It's just like jealousy is the real. reason and i also want to say trend daddy you are a very kind and you know you came up with him

mannered person and you tweeted at jeff schagherd you came at us you miserable fuck yeah that's what i thought you were going to go with when you said you lost your train of thought i thought you were going right there no and the only reason i said that is because he did he came at us first he's acting like he i think one of the tweet that i that i quote to me was like oh this guy trent he's super bitter no we're just we're upset that you're coming us we're like we said we're doing our own thing we're trying to make content. We're at the tournaments. We're dapping up Tiger Woods. We're not saying, we're not walking around being like, you know who sucks Jeff Shackleford and Bob Harrig and Bob Harrig and Jeff Shackleford that come at us and being like, you can't do this. And the only reason that is

is because we're more popular than them. We get more views than them. We get more downloads and they feel threatened. Those are the facts. That's it. Those are the facts. It's a new age, John Huggin. You know, pump my gas, you old man. Like we're on the internet and we have all these followers and we get all these views and that's something that makes you mad because you write you write books and you and you and you like to write with a quail pen and all the newspaper you know and like that's fine like there is like somewhat of like a market for that there's old people that like to read uh hardcover books and your take on the game of golf and why it should be played a certain way but you know what like the golf the golfing world and just all of

sports in general and the whole world is just moving more towards digital stuff look at what we're doing up our school one of all of our main videos that we're we'll do around sport teams is reaction videos. Yep. We literally turn on a camera in our office. It's like it's, it's our science to like, it's, it's our recipe for success. We turn on a camera. We have people that on the internet, they like our personalities, that we have a parcel,

and they want to see us get excited about our teams. And why can't we bring that to golf? Like we are standing behind the 18th green or whatever it was, the 16th green and Tiger Woods just hit a putt. He took his hat off before the ball even hit the fucking, the hole. And we're going nuts. We get a dapp up from him. That is as big as it gets for us as a fan of golf.

Why can't we do that? But we can do that when the Yankees, when we can go all, we can go nuts. Why? Why is it not allowed to be a team thing? Because it's a fucking, it is a team thing. Like, we went and rooted for a USA. Right. It's crazy to me.

We went all the way to Australia to root for team. I can't wrap my head around why it's not okay to have a big voice in this market and in this sport and not cover it the way we're covering. The only reason it's just being a regular person. The only reason it's not okay is because. because of being jealous and threatened. That's legitimately the only logical explanation. And it's like we said,

the phrase that he put in is a little piece was some fanboys granted a media path. That is clearly like a demeaning shot at us that he knows is going to get a chuckle out of his fellow crew that despise us and don't like what we're getting, which is preposterous. That's a shot at us.

All we did was respond. We didn't like go out of our way to say really mean shit. I just responded in a quote tweet. It was like, oh, here's another one from a person that we consider part of the group of old man golf media. And here's another one. Here's a shot. Hey, Jeff Shackford. Like, that's ridiculous.

Sorry for being a fan. We actually take that as a badge of honor, not as like a diss or a slight. And then he did what Bob Herrick has done, which is he responds to every single tweet. And then they block a million different people. The Bob Herrick thing, which originally started with us breaking news, which I know that that rattles the hell out of to that we broke the news. We were first. We had direct communication with Kessler, Corain, who is Patrick Reed's caddy, was Patrick

Greets, catty, maybe is caddy in the future again. We had direct conversation with him. We got the quote in a direct message from him, lurched in by chatting with him in direct message because we have a relationship with him. At that time, we were, A, by far the first media outlet to put it out to the point where golf.com, golf digest, all these folks were not only citing us in the article, but actually reaching out to us directly to confirm, like, is this legit? You guys aren't just fucking because this is not where you guys usually do break news.

We have good relationships with all with 99% of people in the golf media space. And we said, yeah, guys, I know it's ridiculous. But yeah, we actually did break the news. Guess what I got that good relation to? I was behind the ropes walking inside with Patrick Reed's group. And eventually kind of we became more friendly over the course of the week. So fanboys being out there. Right.

And that's not stuck in the media. And we broke that and we had fun with it. And it was great. Now, we knew at the time, all we believed that was like, because he gave it to us directly, they're like, we're the only people that got this. And it wasn't even as much like a statement. We did confirm it was a statement. But it was like a message to us. And we said, can we put that out? He said, let me rephrase it and make it a little bit more legitimate. Then we did put it out. We were getting quoted everywhere, getting cited, everywhere, referenced, everywhere. And then ESPN writes the article. It didn't. Now, we were 100% right in that we were first to report it by far. We were definitely first to report it. The only word I didn't wish I didn't use in my tweet to Bob Herrig was exclusive. At the time, we believed it was exclusive. It's not like he sent it to everyone. He did give it to ESPN Caddy, who's got a relationship with him and us at the exact same

time. We did report it first. Now, where the issue gets with Bob Herrig is that he's then still responding to everyone on Twitter and going out of his way to say that we should be embarrassed for the Tiger video, which has nothing to do with the Patrick Reed breaking news, whatnot. So then we go back at Bob Herig, we go back at Jeff Shackaford, we go back at John, whatever the fuck his name is. I don't remember because we don't know who that guy is.

Hugging. Hugging. And we started a shitstorm that caused everyone to get involved to the point where Justin Thomas tweeted out. A lot of angry people on social media day, it seems, having some fun and enjoy it. That's how much. You had a great response to that, too, I saw later. Yeah, I just said what happened. Jeff Shackleford, shouldn't it be, like, cool to you or, like, shouldn't you feel good about the sport that you love to cover?

That there is, like, a really good core of young golfers right now, American golfers, like, Justin Thomas, Ricky Fowler, all these guys that are killing it in golf. And you have people that are the same age as them, even younger, like, than most of the guys, like, that are giving their take on, like, what it's like to grow up with these guys and, like, have guys their age playing in President's Cups and winning majors. Like, as opposed to, like, the old man that's like, oh, look at these youngans that are, you know, and back in my day, like, Tiger, whatever, fucking Arnold Obama. He's a hit of all. Like, we're showing things like, we're putting things on Snapchat and Instagram story. and we're messaging Bryce and Deschambeau after he wins the President's Cup on Instagram. And he's like, thanks for coming out, boys, like best President's Cup ever.

That is a different way. It's just a different avenue. Why can't they wrap their head around? Consume it the way you please. Like, if there's a guy out there, old man, that appreciates the way you write and he reads you and he likes it, that's great. If he consumes our content and they're new to golf or they like golf and they just like listening to us, but more people are interested in Ricky Fowler and JT and the President's Cup as a whole, that everybody should just be applauding each other.

And like we said, the only answer for that is jealousy. Well, and it's, and we, I think that on the show, Rick's tweeted it, where it's they only want the game to grow if it's on their terms. If it's, if the things that they're doing personally that is going to grow the game, they're like, great, that's awesome. If it's something that they just cannot wrap their brains around because they don't have the brain capacity, and it's us. They don't understand why people like us and why people are drawn to us

and how we are, you know, people reach out to us all the time, being like, you got us into golf and I started listening to the show. Love those tweets. But they look at that, and they, They say, since it's not the way that I'm doing it, and I'm scared of it because I don't understand it, then I'm going to fight against it. It should just be, we all cover the game of golf. We all love the game of golf. I mean, I think they do.

The way Shacklinger talks, it doesn't sound like he likes it at all. But it's what it's the rising tides, you know, lifts all ships. Because golf becomes more popular as a whole. More people read them. More people read us. It's, it's, it's the whole thing. They want all the eyeballs, though. They're mad.

Right. They're jealous and they're upset that they're doing all this work for all these years. And we can put out a video of us just. giving high fives. That's literally what it is. Jeff Shackleford is so mad that we can put out a video of us giving a high five. It gets 1.3 million views on Twitter. And he sits there in front of a computer

and writes a piece that means so much to him and it gets 150 clicks and he's already on his way to the home. And he's got a resort, since they don't get clicks, he's got to resort to horrible angles like nobody should be happy about this president's cut because Patrick Reed ruined it. I can't wait to talk to him. I can't wait to talk to it.

I can't wait to talk to. You know he loves the internet too because he started his own website Jeff Shackleford.com. He's the CEO, C-C-O-O. It's like, dude, you wish you could be us with our engagement because you fucking made your own website. That's the other thing. One of the million tweets that he responded to somebody,

he said, I don't like that they make it all about themselves and not about the game of golf. Brother, your website is named after you. Jack Shackleford. You're the CEO of your own fucking website. Like, you want it to be all about you, and since it doesn't turn your way enough, you're like, so these guys got to stop making it about themselves.

He also, it's so much about him that like when he goes on Golf Channel, you know, you dictate how you're introed and all that. And I guarantee you there's a clause in his contract that he's made it very clear to the Golf Channel. They introduce him as Jeff Shaggaford of Jeff Shaggaford.com every time they introduce him a golf channel. Like, you want it to be about you because the bigger you are, like the more engagement you get and whatnot, the better you are your career.

And we love this golf. And if you can have a successful career in this world of golf, it's great for everyone. And it's not like we make it exclusively about us. Like we have fucking Justin Thomas on for an hour and do a full interview with him, breaking down our own, like the issues that we've had, the issues that he's had with the fans. And then the great stuff where the great shots that he hit. When Bryson D. Chambot is the center of the entire golf world for the slow play shit.

He comes on Monday afternoon after the tournament finished on Sunday and talk to us for an hour about the entire thing. We're asking them questions about fucking them about the slow play on the tour. What should we do this, that? When we do have opportunities, like, are we going to make it about us? you know why? Because people fucking love what it's about us. People love living vicariously through what we're doing and seeing, like,

us grow because they care about us because they know that our passion for the game equals theirs. And that's really cool for them to see people that share the same values and excitement for golf have these fucking awesome experiences. That's what they like about it. So don't fucking come at us with like, oh, you make it all about. Like Frankie said, your fucking websites named Jeff Shackenfer. Yeah. And the fact that like people want to live through our lives, that's our secret sauce, Jeff. You know what?

We just told you it. People care about what we do. They like to see us Dap Up Tiger Woods. I don't know how to explain that to you. I don't know the reasoning behind it, but that's just what Barstool is. It's a bunch of people that really aren't qualified to be there,

and we end up just fucking doing really cool things. That's a fact of it. Yeah. We're just a bunch of normal dudes, and you are just Jeff Shackleford of Jeff Shackleford. And that drives you fucking nuts. But you know what? Your time has passed.

You had your chance to do this. But now you're done. You're on your way out. You're on your way out. It's also they love the... Put them in a home. Put them in a fucking home. It's also just...

John Huggins. So... Clean my shoes, old man. It's so relatable and normal to break down how fucking normal people like choose to Dap Up or Fist Pound Tiger. It's like Frankie went with the Dap. We went with the Fist Pound. He did like an extra point.

People break down that tape like the fucking JFK assassination for years. It's a Bruder. Because it's just funny. It's just so simple and funny to see normal people in an absolutely extraordinary situation with a fucking living legend that we're just on the green, right? That's like out of a dream. That's out of a simulation. How do those people?

How are these fucking guys standing on the green? How are they standing on the green? Tiger Woods down to up. Oh my God. How'd they respond? Like, that's just fucking funny and interesting and relatable because if you're in that situation, anyone listening right now, you don't fucking know what you're going to do. You're going to present the dab like crazy person, Frankie?

Are you going to do a normal, like simple, low-risk fist pub? Like, what are you going to do? That shit's just interesting. People love that. And it's relatable. And if it wasn't, we wouldn't exist. If it would be on the other, we would be like, it's not working. Let's shift to something else.

Jeff Shackleford, on the other hand, and guys like Bob Harrog and John Huggin. John Huggin. They look at something that they've got some rich crackers. They look at something that they've been doing and maybe it worked, maybe it worked 15, 20 years ago and it's not working now and they're still going to keep doing it. That's the difference between Barcelona and other media outlets. They see something that's not working and continue to do it. We see something's not working. we're like we got a shit focus and try something else and we have just so happened to find

something that works and they're they're just upset about it nobody's hugging john huggin well think about bob's boss you know like he goes back i wrote six to 12 articles i get this minute this much action and we do one video of a dab up and it blows his whole year away right that's the pressure that bob huggins that no i'm going to say bob huggins the west virginia head basketball coach bob bob huggins is fine i like that guy a lot john huggin on the other hand yeah he does it i may have said bob i'm in a track i mean i when i screened Huggin before. I made a screened Bob Huggin. I want to take that back if it was about Bob Huggin.

Yeah. I want it to be about John Huggin. Yeah, and you're right. You're not having the most famous hugging, you loser. He, you know, he presents his stuff and they're like, yay, good job. And then you look over here and it's just, it's a fucking party. Boll, ball, ball, ball, ball, ball, ball, ball, ball. And they're going to party with you.

And they're just, and everyone is just furious that they, that they, and I know what seems kind of dushy us being like, we get more views, we get more downloads. Does. But it's gotten to the point where since they're threatening, they're threatening us, they're coming at us, that we have to present the facts and be like, this is why they're doing this.

If we were nobody's, they wouldn't be responding. And we wouldn't have stirred up Twitter like that. And the only reason we bring up the business of that is because it's the only logical explanation for why they get so upset and why they choose to instigate and come after us in a situation

where we're just doing our own fucking thing. We don't mind it, man. We want, like you said, like if everybody's doing golf coverage and golf content, and there's plenty for everyone. It's a good thing. If you're obsessed with golf, man,

you're looking for content anywhere that you can get it. Articles, course reviews, videos. You love it. And us, like, there's more than just us, and it's great. We don't go after them. Like, the No Layup guys are the Friday guys or whatnot. People ask all the time, do you have beef with them? We don't even know those guys, but they, like,

if you like their golf stuff, that's fucking great. It's awesome. They cover it the way they want to. Jeff Shagaford, you cover it however you want to. Bob Hara, you can. cover however you want to and let us cover however we want to it's not simple like who cares who gives a fuck why are you

coming after us it really is that it's so simple it's so simple there's enough room at the table that's what we're getting DMs from other golf journalists who I know don't want to get in the mud John Huggins is eating jello at that table and they're going you know what there's just room at the table for all of this why do people give a shit there's also room

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golf because you get to actually play the golf course they got the booze they got really good food it's a great environment anytime we're looking to really go do anything lurch and i like hit them up and like hey really and they also another thing is they've got clubs there like we don't even really bring our clubs and we totally they have great clubs there phenomenal sets of golf clubs and hundreds of putters too so it's actually fun to go there and just try out you can like tinker around with different putters yeah the other thing too when we're doing that summer league people think oh i don't want to do it summer because I don't want to be inside. It's like if you live in the city, it's a Tuesday night.

Like, what else are you doing? They also have a great vibe in there. You know, some places it feels like you get like cabin fever in certain places. I've been to plenty of simulators that's like dark rooms and stuff like that. It's really well lit in there. It feels like exposed brick. It's well lit. The bar's hopping.

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You get 10% off your simulator rentals. I have to give a shout out to our very good friend, Matt Janella. So Matt Janella from Golf Channel, we call him the OG Bundago Boy. Yeah. He does all the golf travel content for Morning Drive. For Golf Channel, he does a bunch of travel stuff. And he's been doing that for a long time. I went on his big buddies trip this year, 29 folks, got to know him even better.

And he is honestly, like, as good of a guy as you could possibly have. and he subscribes to all the theories that we're talking about. If you're passionate about it and you love golf, awesome. If you want to play golf with a backwards hat in shorts, in gym shorts, if you want to be fully geared up to the nines where it vests and tucking your shirt in, like you're a country club guy, totally fine. You want to have a little music playing. Go for it.

You want to play where you tee the ball up on every fucking shot? Fine. Who cares? You want to play the ball up? You want to play preferred lies all over the golf course. You want to be like Mike Portnoy. If you're in the bunker, you get one try, and then he just takes the ball out of the bunker and sets it behind it.

Fine. Who cares? Who goes? Whatever the hell you want? Matt Janella responded to John Huggin to my tweet to him and said, and he came, I didn't expect this. I did not expect it.

He goes, John epitomizes the bitterness and negative attitude that gives the game a bad name. He has used and abused his platform to air his own regrets and fares as a player and professional. Thankfully, guys like you, four-play folks, have come along to provide fresh air and alternative perspectives. Snatched his soul. Oh, John.

Snatched. John is You are dead. Bringing up his professional golfing failures really hits him hard. Oh, yeah. And we should take this opportunity to say that we are at this point in time pointing our canons at Bob Herrick, John Huggin, and Jeff Shogger. It's not clear. I mean.

It is clear, but I don't want to pay with too broad of a brush because we have had people reach out to us who are in the golf media who just like, who like what we do and are supportive of what we do and are of the mindset of like, let's all just do this thing together. There's enough seats at the table. Like Rigg said, do your thing. keep it going and golf is just going to continue to grow. So those people who have reached out to us, like shout out to them. But it's, you know, guys, the three that the three stooges that we've mentioned, those are the ones are really going at because they just like, Riggs is saying, he said there's enough room at the table for everyone.

And we will abide by that until you start to attack us. Then we're going to be like, we want to drive you out of business. We want to put you in a home. Yep. Like that's it. If we can all just keep on the list right now. They're on the list to be put in the home. Everyone else is all good.

But it's just like if you start coming at us being like these guys aren't doing it the right way, this is bullshit this isn't what journalism should be then we're going to come after you and I gotta be honest pretty competitive guy I am I like fighting I fucking love fighting so you want to fight you want to get into it like Trent said our cannons were fucking locked up the doors were closed there was nothing there are no cannonballs in near him and what happened was you fucking got in our radar

you shot some stuff at us we noticed it the cannons are fucking ready to rock they're pointed in your direction and that's just where we're at right now and Twitter is our is home turf for us that's where all our fans are home That's where, that is. That's where all of our fans are. That's where they're the most active. So for the three stooges to come at us on that area is like,

I guarantee they're regretting every single bit of that. Go for a walk. Put that in the newspaper. Put your little comment on the newspaper. That's home tour for you. Then you got to deal with call-ins. I don't even know how you'd kind of organize a forum there. You got like a rotary phone.

I got a call through. I don't know. Switch boards. Who the hell knows where all that feedback goes. Yeah. Twitter, that's a bad pick. John Hugg and get to the mall early before the stores open and walk around a little bit you know you know those old you know the old people they walk around like a mall walkers small

walker yeah get the ball wot flow in a little bit go get the blood flow go take a walk yeah it's it's it was it was i it was and jeff shackleford and all those guys were responding to everybody on twitter just trying to that's lunacy that's why i really got to get the alerts from uh off my phone for like verified people fucking harrick and and dug in or hugging and and the other guy this guy's getting I can't remember his name. They owe me a little bit of battery life because my phone kept fucking light. It's like when people call Tommy Lair and Tammy. Right.

Except I just really don't know. But she just gets so rattled. I just like we just can't hug and higgin. We don't know what they're. It's great for us. The people that respond, though, to each and every tweet, those people are lunatics to me. Yeah. How are you actually going to put together like a structured back and forth argument with somebody

on Twitter that's behind a wall? You have no idea who they are. It could be just a fake account. trying to get you rolled up. The fact that they're chasing those people down and still responding, that. Well, and I saw that. I saw Shackford calling out people's like, oh, your follower count. Look how long that is.

It's like, all right. If you're doing that, you are, you're the worst possible person. I know we're going to have them on and we're talking. I can't wait for the conversation. You're calling people out for numbers. Like, I was making pizzas. I'm a 26 year old. I've never.

I was making pizzas three years ago and I got double yours and then some. Yeah. You want to talk about this. You have a whole career work. What? 66? Oh, he's crushing. I'm in 130.

Somebody said he gained, Shagovir gained like 3,000. You're welcome for those. Because that was all because. That is the only negative about this stuff. Yeah, yeah, gives him, this is probably what he wanted with his little fan boy,

the fan boy comment. Boost me up so I can be about to. But it's the Dave Bornoy's philosophy. Like, I don't, I don't, like, we're not against punching down.

We have to. Fine. People are going to come after us. We'll punch down. And it got to the point where, like, it wasn't just one person. It was, it was three guys who were like,

they decided to just take up arms and it's like well at some point you can't ignore it because they're coming directly at you and we honestly we were just like on a commute so we're like we're kind of we're all in a van together that was a big part of tasmania like if you would caught us while we're maybe out on the golf course have been like but now we just had like an hour and a half drive to get to barn boogle and it's like let's go yeah dude it was like 10 or 15 minutes into it and none of us had even said anything to each other and then so i think like trend just looked up and you just go this is great yeah it was longer than 10 to 50 minutes I I think we were 35, 40 minutes into the trip,

and nobody had said a word, but we were obviously very active, and I did. I just looked at everybody. It was like, this is great. It was a phenomenal way to cover and kill time traveling. If you're ever looking for a way, just get in the mix on Twitter,

just stir up some shit on Twitter, get in the mud, because it is a phenomenal way to kill time. You just, the engagement, the tweets, all the reactions, you stroll through them, and then you know you're firing off a good one. You know you're firing off a good one.

And you just, you get in that wording right you finally put it out there and then you just see it fucking take off next thing you know you're there we're at barbougal and this day was always coming right like yeah it was a long time coming we've been doing this podcast now i don't know three some odd years and barstool does this in every sort of area that they sort of that they venture into it's it's uh it's not your classic way to cover any sport we all sort of take up the same philosophy in terms of what frankie was saying we're fans we're going to get fan reactions we're going to do it the fan way and you know golf being

boy, I can't think of an older, you know, demographic in terms of media members. Then people were going to be upset eventually. I'm a little surprised it took this long, but here we are. It's because of how well we've been doing. Right, right. That's why they were able to swallow it like the pills they take Monday through Sunday. Right. But now it's like, well, now they're taking, you know, money out of my pocket they feel like.

I think that's what they're genuinely feeling. Just my big ass just standing behind a T-box. Yeah. Maybe it's because some of the events that we've covered in the past are, majors and like that's just it's there it's such a big event that everybody like oh the views are there and anything i write anything i tweet people are interested in it president's cup we're you know we're here to kind of pump up the event like and we drew a ton of interest to it because of our interaction with tiger or interactions with bryson or interactions with gary woodland they're kind of like

whoa why are you coming why are you coming into this arena and taking these views away from us so i get why it's happening uh we've said it a million times they're they're scared and they're jealous of sort of what's going on, but we're here and we're not going anyway. And it is an incredibly important point that you brought up earlier of like how many people have embraced us and how important that has been for us. It is just a few stooges who we know are hanging. They're clinging on. They're just like scratching their claws at the edge of the door while people drag them out

to the home because they don't want to go there. And those are the people that our cannons are fired at right now. And it's not that many people, but those folks, they think that they're super important. And what we really should shout out are folks like the United States Golf Association, who has embraced us, who's given us the access, and seeing that we can deliver and helping promote their events and draw eyeballs to golf. It's even this past week was the PGA tour. We've had bad run-ins in the history in our past.

As unlikely as a relationship as you could kind of ask for. And they were great this week. They were great. Everybody we interacted with, we sort of, you know, they gave us as much access as we could ask for. And then we just kind of worked hand-in-hand the whole week. it really went about as good as the case. I think they appreciate us too. I mean, I don't know what their feedback is,

but I think we had, it was great. Yeah, I think so too. The PGA of America. We've been all over, we were at Beth Pages just last year, the year before. Myself and Logan went in St. Louis to Bel-Reeve for the PGA. We're going to be at the Rider Club next year.

PGA of America. We sat down with Seth Waugh, who was the man when we were there. We had a great interview with him. They gave us a ton of access. It's folks at the Golf Channel even have been great to us. had us, my Trent Daddy and myself on Golf Channel last year. We were on Morning Drive.

Yep. They've given us guests when Farity or whoever, Brandl, that's how we got to know Brando Chambly. When they've been in New York doing immediate tours, they've hit us up and been able to get them on the show and really help those types of relationships. And on and on it goes. A bunch of the riders at different sites. The golf.com guys are awesome from Shipnuck to the younger crew. Like those guys have been awesome.

So, like, there are tons of people who have embraced us. and even I know some of them that have embraced us probably don't love what we do. Right. But they've been like, no, no, we know that other people love what they do, and they're nice guys, they're good people, and so let them do their thing. Let's give them the access like we give anyone else the access and let them do the thing. And I know for a fact that a lot of people, these organizations that have the power to control who gets the cover what and get certain access, they despise a lot of the media members.

Those media members fucking suck. They're miserable. They sit there and they eat all the free food and the bitch. the free ice cream that I know we all love and we eat a lot of that but we also are you know putting out some pretty good stuff yeah they're they're miserable in there and I you know they're just kind of hanger-ons and they just love showing up to these events and they get their credential and they feel important and they get the food and they get the coffee and then they put out some shit column we're actually there and we're actually making an impact and the players the players

love us like we wouldn't be anywhere without all the folks that we just mentioned the outlets the organizations embracing us and the players like the reason we are as big as we are as influential to the point where rattling the fucking core of golf, old man golf media is because the players. The players embrace us. They genuinely enjoy chatting with us, doing interviews with us, getting to know us, us

kind of opening up them as a book and letting more people kind of read and learn about them, whether it's on the show or in a video, or it's Bryce and Niche Mowe inviting Frankie onto the range to like hit shots at the PGA championship. Whatever it is, like the players have embraced the hell

out of us. They're texting us, messaging us, messaging us like, holy shit, look at this, look at that, because they get it too. And again, it's not all of them. Like, we laugh all the time about, like, why won't Ricky talk to us? Why doesn't he like it? Certain people don't like certain stuff. And we don't give a shit. Like, yeah, we're going to make jokes about it and this and that.

But we're not out there now, like, fire and super negative missiles about like Ricky Fowler. Anything that we say is going to be a joke, we're still out there fucking rooting for him. We're fist pumping when he makes puts, even though he may not like us. We don't really know he can like whatever he likes. Just like any fan out there you can like whatever you want. want to like, you can consume, whatever golf media you want to consume. It's not going to bother us. Good for you.

And just we want everyone to continue to do their own thing. And certain folks cannot handle that we get to do our own thing. It's no surprise that the thing that sent them finally into just a complete tizzy was the Tiger DapUp. Tiger has a historically icy relationship with the media. And then he's just seen out there with the new media guys, just fist bump on us. We talked to him at Pebble Beach, obviously. That just had to drive them up a wall.

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Obviously, we did say we're going to have Shackleford on in the future and we're all together and that'll be a very interesting conversation. But I think other than that, I think I did. I said everything I needed to say. And this is an open invite to anyone in golf, anyone. Anyone in golf media. If you have an issue with us, a problem, you have certain things that you think that we like would not be or that we would shy away from because we're just trying to incite

the base as Shackford tried to put it. We'll have you on the fucking show. You kidding me? We'll debate you. We'll talk circles around you. We don't care. We know we're in the right. Everyone knows that we're in the right. So we'd be happy to have you on this show and we'll see what happens. It does feel good being in the right. Because you know the argument you make you're going to be like, well, you're wrong. It's good for golf.

Yeah. No, yeah. That's really the end of the day. Like everything we're doing is expanding the audience for golf. And that is the key component to why we're right. And that's it. The first leg of this whole debate started with the scoop, and, like, people could from the outside be like, all right, whatever. Like, we don't know who got it. It could have been one way or another. Yeah.

Who got it? They don't understand that, like, Lurch was talking to the guy. You DM'd him. We wrote the note thing. Then we also saw that note everywhere. Right. Like, that note was, like, on the news. Right.

People were reaching. That's like one of the first times we've done something like that. So it's like, whatever. Like, that happens. Like, this main thing that's been, that this main debate and this main problem that they've had, we are a thousand percent right in. and that does feel really good. Yeah, that's the time. You expose them, yeah.

That's like rooting for, you know. Basically, the question is, is foreplay good or bad for golf? And I think we're good. I think 100% good. Not good at golf. Oh, no, no. Well, I'm, sorry. Me today?

I'm pretty bad. I'm really bad at golf. But in terms of, like, growing the audience, we're great. There was a time today where I thought Lurch was the best player in the Australian area. At one point, I said to him, you're the best golfer I have fist bumps this week. Yeah. Woo! You are.

Good. Let's move on to these old crusty bucks. Yeah, we don't need to do this. Old bags. Let's talk about us playing some golf. We got three rounds of golf to get to. The Dunes, which is in the Mornington Peninsula. Here's what Melbourne is basically, it's pretty much, it is a coastal city, but then south of it is like this big ring peninsula that goes, there's like a huge bay and a peninsula that kind of wraps around it.

and there's a bunch of good golf on this peninsula called the Mornington Peninsula. And the Dune's Golf Winks, I believe is what it's called, is one of these courses. San Andrews Beach is another one down there. We didn't have a ton of time. We're obviously covering the President's Cup. We tried to sneak out and play golf whenever we could, film videos. We know people love that shit, and we like to play golf. So it all worked out great.

We set up this match with the local Aussie boys. There's a couple guys from Sydney, a couple that live in Melbourne. Future golf is what they're called. and they're all about growing golf here in Australia. They do events. They said not that dissimilar from the bars to a classic. To get folks together, it's difficult, I guess, to get a handicap in Australia.

So they provide a way and avenue for people to get handicaps and essentially making it more accessible and simple for people, common folk who like golf to play golf in Australia. Amazing guys. We did two on two, myself and Trent Daddy, against two of them, and then Lurge and Frankie against them. with them. So eight of us total.

There's going to be a full video that comes out from the entire thing. We had a camera guy with each group. We did a big lunch beforehand in beers, got to know each other, played for obviously four or five hours, and then we did a phenomenal dinner afterwards. And I got to tell you, I feel bad for them because

we typically play a lot of bad golf and we document very closely us playing a lot of bad golf. And that day, we came out and fucking steamrolled them. I mean, it was guns of blazing. I mean, I never was. Their match was different than ours.

They crushed them. We were up three through three. No, I know. But I think as a whole, I think we did. Oh, yeah, we crushed it as a group. Yeah. We murdered them. Yeah, and I know I made a guarantee.

I don't want to, you know, I'll want to take the suspense away from it. I made a guarantee that I was going to break 100 on this trip. It didn't happen. Nope. We're about to board our flight back to Melbourne right now. And we just played our final round in Australia. I want to apologize to all the listeners out there.

Everyone is rooting for me. Everyone who's messaged me. I appreciate. I appreciate the kind words. Everyone has been very supportive. It just didn't happen. The reason I brought it up while talking about this golf course is because this was the day that I very much thought it was going to happen.

And, you know, Trent, I got to tell you, there were probably three of the, what do we play, five rounds. Yeah. Three of the five rounds, I felt like you were going to do it. Like midway through the front nine or even late in the front nine, I thought you're going to do it. I've got it now. I know what's going to happen now.

So when I played Aaron Hills, when we played Aaron Hills, and I shot 102 and I was like, Holy shit. I'm having a magical day. I thought I was going to do it then. I had no idea why that was happening. Legitimately. I look back on it now and I don't know.

I had some sort of magic that day. I was playing with Lurch. We were having a good time. It was a really good group of guys. I think that had a big, big hand in it. Hanky Panky was there for you. Hanky Panky, shout it to him. He's the best.

He is the best. But now out here, and ever since we were at Kisner's thing, ever since we played Palmetto with him, and he gave me the Knuckles advice on my irons. That has now been, has enabled me. I probably I hit my, out of the five rounds we played out here, I think I pulled my three wood twice. Get the listeners with that, with that little knuckle tip again. So back when I would hit my irons before this, when I'm looking down at my swing, left hand?

Left hand, how many knuckles could I see? And the answer was zero. That's the exact question Kevin Kisner asked me. He said, look down to your hand was rolled over too far to the left. Exactly. He said, look down. How many knuckles can you see? I said, zero. He said, you want to see three, but if you can see two, that's the way to do it. So now I turn my left hand in and I can see two knuckles. And it's just changed everything. It sounds crazy, but I've been bitching on this podcast forever. I can hit drives pretty well, although out here it was a little iffy.

I can pup pretty well and I can chip decently. But I could not hit an iron. It just escaped me the idea of hitting an iron. And that has allowed me to hit irons flush. Man, you made some iron sounds this week here in Australia, Australia, that I've never heard from you ever, where you absolutely flushed it, it started straight,

maybe a little left with like a little baby cut on them or went pretty damn straight the whole time and like a penetrating ball fight that actually got out there. But you had many par threes this week where you like hit the greener regulation with a great shot. Yes.

Where you would never do that before. No, I used to be mortified walking up to a par three because I was like, all right, I will play with you guys. You guys are decent enough. You can get an iron in the air. And I just like, all right, I'm going to top one into the shit, and then I'm going to hopefully like scramble from there and make something happen. But now I walk up there and I'm like, with the rule of five that Lurch taught me at Aaron Hills, it's like, this is a hole where I can make up shots.

I can make a three. I can make a four. And it's just, that's how I know that the 100 barrier is, it's fallen soon. It didn't happen here in Australia. But just knowing what you can do as opposed to just dumb luck, it changes everything. And you were feeling it at the at the dunes in the peninsula. I remember hearing rumblings. on like the eighth and ninth hole that Trent was like a couple over his you know he was

maybe going to shoot like a 45 yeah it's the blowups that are fucking me it's just I mean uh at at uh the course we're talking about I made an eight on whole nine and after that it was just I made a nine I made a couple seven and then you're just out of it but he fucking made an eight on the ninth hole for the middle of the fairway that to shoot a 50 on the front to post a 50 So it was like, dude, it literally looked like, even he make Bogie, it's like, you're going to, he's going to come in at the turn at like 46, 47 shots. And like, oh my God, he's going to, he's going to, he's got 90s. Yeah, it's got 95 written all over it. Yeah.

Because at one point, like, through six in the our game of fives, you were three under, right, or something like that? I was three over. Three over. Three over. So I was like, I'm right on track here. I run into a couple other par three is make a four even. And we're really, really on to something. And then, yeah, you make an eight.

And then I think it made a nine. on the back and it's just like it really it deflates you but i know that if i can just eliminate those even turn those into sevens and sixes it's gonna happen and as a person that's with as playing with you or around you we can always tell when that hole's coming it's like up against the lip in a bunker it's not just it's not just a bogey like if he hits a par three and he's up against a lip in a bunker or just anywhere really in like a kind of a tough spot in a bunker it's not just a four or five it's an eight or nine on a part three and it's every It is a 12 at 1.4.

So you now need to, like, do something different. Everything that I just said about how confident I am in my irons now does not apply to my bunker play. I still can't get the ball out. Not know what's going on. So do we start working on something else? Do you hit the ball out sideways or something? Like, do you roll it out? I just need a bunker less.

For a while there it was working where it's like just hit behind the ball and swing as hard as you can. And that has completely abandoned it. We also play sick courses that have tremendous bunkering. Yeah, we do. Like, you play your average public track. I mean, sometimes the bunkers are. just hard as rock and they're flat. There's no lip. There's no nothing.

We go into bungers that have a 12-foot lip. And they were like, good luck. We play murderous bunkers. Murderous. I've raked more than, I've raked more than like a dad who loves to rake. I just, I'm in there and I'm like, all right, I got to rake those footsteps. I'm in already in here. And then I'll hit it and I'll hit

the lip. It'll come back down and do a completely different area. I've got to rake over there. I've been raking so bunkers that it's just my arms are sore. Can we talk about how much raking bunkers sucks? Dude, it's, especially when you don't get out And then you're like, I got this area where I started and it rolled past me so I got to walk down there. And then it's like where the rakes aren't strategically placed. So you're like, I got to walk up there.

I got to do that now. It's just a never ending game. There was one time today, maybe on 14 or something like that. Anyways, you hit one, didn't get out. It kind of like moved up a little bit, maybe a couple feet in front of you in front of the bunker. Then the next one you smack didn't get out, but it made it at the top and then rolled back into the footprint. And you go, I don't even deserve to take it out of the footprint. Because the local rule is that you can move it out of the footprint.

And I was like, if there's one person who deserves to, you know, move that ball out of the footprint, it sure as hell ain't me. So we're working it. Yeah, we're working. And, you know, it would have been nice to get it on this trip. I think I don't know if we're doing scores. I can't remember. But I got like 103, 106. And a couple of them I just, you know, the wheels came off so badly that it was like, you know, $1.15 or something.

I will say that our match of the Dunes, Frankie hit the ball tremendously well. And then we had a great match. we're up three through three, which is not the best way to... We played against who Charlie and Josh? Chuck and Josh. Chuck and Josh. Just really outgoing good dudes. Great lads. Yeah, Chuck had that personality where, like, everything he said was a joke, but they all

kind of hit, like, he was never really overwhelming, and, like, I just knew we were going to have a really good day out there. We started off, like, I think we all kind of hit good drives off one, and we're like, all right, like, this is, like, this is going to be a match, and then we were up three, and I remember, remember looking at Lurch saying like, because I went par, par, par, par to start. And I was like, oh, shit. Like, I may have something today. I'm like, I remember looking at you being like, oh, man, we're going to destroy these guys.

We won the first. I birdied the second. Yeah. But you were tight in there. We both had looks. Then the third, you stuffed the par three to like seven feet. And these guys are like, well, fuck, man. Like, you're kidding me?

Like, we're just going to get trounce out here. And then things started to just get real tight. Yeah. Real tight. And well, we were down one at the turn. Which we went up three. Then we were down one, five holes. later.

Couldn't believe it. And then we went up to being up three through three and being down at the turn is incredible. Yeah. Incredible. And it was like we were still. And we were still playing great golf. Yeah, we were low 40s or whatever.

So when we were on like the 12th of 13th hole, we noticed that, um, I'm sorry, there was just like a popping noise over there. I didn't know what the hell that was. You always generate the popped. Yeah, there was a lot of pop. Yeah, you're big, but you got a pop radar up right on. And, uh, and I remember standing on like the 12 to 13th hole being like, man, like par par or birdie is the only way to win.

these holes. You cannot win a hole with a bogey right now. It's impossible. And no one was really getting strokes. I mean, you were giving strokes. You were playing off you. So it was like, I mean, it was real tough out there. But then Chuck, anyways, to close it out, our boy Chuck on like the 16th or 17 had a three-footer

to have the match and he just never even sniffed that. And when he left that thing. So sorry, man. He had like a two or three-footer to have the match to go to 18. And he just missed it by a mile. And he like put his head down. He's like, man, I'm going to be thinking about that for a while.

He just, it was a three-footer and it just never, never sniffs the hole. Yeah. And we, like, had so much hype around the pot. Like, all right, Chuck, like, keep this thing alive. And he just, his arms kind of just stopped working. It's just never even came close. We played against Roe and Allie. They were awesome guys.

Really, really good dudes. Australia. You know, it's fun, too. Like, you're asking questions about Australia and, like, Australian culture and, like, how's it different? A couple of them, they'd been to the States. They, like, know kind of the difference. And having those kinds of conversations for four and a half,

or straight or whatnot. So much fun. The only issue was that we just steamrolled them to the point where they were like questioning trends handicapped. Oh yeah. Three holes in. I do my par on three. They were like this is because I topped it into the shit and it's shit out here.

Like it's not. It's like you go in there and you just, this is on 10. When you're on Tasmania, it's a little different. You like literally don't go in there. They're like, you'll get bit by a snake. You'll not. We did. We saw one.

But in Melbourne, it was it was shit. But you could sort of found it. I found my ball. And I just hit this beautiful. shot to like 15 feet drilled the put and they're like what's going on like can we like talk about the handicapped system that was for a net birdie there's an the next part three we played was that 220 yard down downhill part three whatever trend hits it to like 15 feet two puts for net birdie and they're just like you're a 25 handicraft and then you and then you brought it i it's like 105

yeah i proved it to him on the back they knew they're like hey just wait like 10 minutes i did But it did feel early on, like, I was like, I think I am going to play like this the whole day. And then it doesn't happen. But it's like, yeah, they were like, what's going on. You can do that. Because you can do that. Like, you can do a 15 to 20 shot stretch of golf where it's like, oh, shit. We're going to get steamrolled.

And I feel that way sometimes of like, if Trent's hot, like, he's going to be very tough because he's going to make a bunch of, you know, par bogeys and he's going to have a bunch of looks. And that's going to be a good score with a stroke. And now, with your iron play, it doesn't make that, like, clack sound anymore. No. You, the term piss on it because people go like, you make the term like, when you hit it and makes that good noise. Yeah. And so then you're like, oh, shit, like we're going to get killed. I think we say it.

I know I say that term. It's like, I take my dick out and just piss all over the ball. It's just like I disrespected the ball. That's what I think. Yeah. But that pissed, did that come from the, like you degraded that. Yeah. Like you're on an episode of Call her Daddy also.

Yeah, I just degraded the ball like on every sort of, like every level. Every single dimple in that thing just got just touched by me. you know just sometimes i just piss there's a photo i that i'm going to put up that i that i look like i'm gonna piss all over oh yeah yeah yeah we came yeah we came crashing back down to earth on the back nine we did i will say too they were talking like it got to the point where they were talking like they were getting deep on how their handicapped system is different than ours and that might be explaining why they're getting their asses kicked so badly and and i was like no no it's honestly because we never play like this that's the main reason but they were saying because they

play Stableford so often. That essentially, like, if you make, I believe, like, if you make a, if you make a bogey, you get a point, if you make a party, get two points. If you make a double or worse, you get zero points. So, like, essentially, once you can't get a point on the hole, you just pick up because pace of play and all that. And people love to, like, oh, you guys, your handicaps are sick because you pick up. It's like, yeah, everybody picks up.

Like, if you're in a matchplay situation, and you've got four or five feet, and the group's kind of, like, breathing out your neck of the back, and you're putting for fucking double, pick your fucking ball up. What's the point? We're not playing for the U.S. open out here. same type of thing. So they were basically saying, we pick up all the time.

So your guys handicaps are actually probably like, you're probably going to steamroll us handicapped. Like that's how badly we were beating them was they were talking about the difference in the handicaps. Well, that's why Trent would be much lower in this case because you usually are in that bogey, you know, range. And then you just have these couple holes where you'll go nine, eight, nine, or something like that.

At a 12 yesterday, I had 10 today. It's just, it's. So that's where in Stableford, he picks up, but he's only going to take. You know, kind of a six or something. Astronomical numbers. It's bunker. It's the bunker.

It is. If I didn't have those blowpoles, it would be a different story. Yeah, that was a really fun round. And up until that point, we had played, that was our third course we had played in Australia. The first two were on the sand belt. So we played Kingston Heath and Peninsula Kingswood. And those places were really tough, real hard, real hard golf course. Really tough.

Really tough. Just really tough out there. Just really tough. Kings and Heath, that's like a dark. I was just like I was Gumby out there like I just felt like I didn't have anything and like the more and obviously more we played the more I felt better and when we got to and I loved Peninsula Kingswood that was my first so at that point getting up to the dunes my number one course that we had played so far was Peninsula Kingswood. Peninsula Kingswood felt like a course from the States just in Australia. It was incredible. Yeah it was good and then number two at that point was obviously Kings and Heath and then we played the dunes which I quickly put up to number one. Same. Because I just thought that was so awesome. I felt like we were in like an Ireland farm land where like you could see like the,

the crops like in the rolling hills on either side of you. And you knew that there was water around you also because we were right by the peninsula. And just like there was a ton of elevation. That's like what gets me is if there's elevation on tea boxes and I can step up to a tea and I know like, oh man, like I'm going to fucking drill this thing. I want to piss on it because like you just feel like like all I have to do is get it in the air and it's just going to fly. I love that shit.

And also, I played great. I had a put, I had a five foot, what was it, five or seven feet maybe? Seven feet maybe for 79, which may shock people. No. Because I'm horrible. Yeah, but you were flushing it. You were just all over at that. All day, just par, par, par, making a birdie, made a double.

I mean, I lost a ball in an area, which I just didn't think I was going to lose a ball. Made a couple doubles. So, like, it easily could have been. I mean, anyone can say that about any round. Yeah. But there are moments. It was a moment in which, like, I remember. hitting a drive, not the one where

I took the hybrid. Because I... Oh my gosh. Lurch will like never let me live that one down. I went driver, driver, plush, plush. And then on the fourth hole, I thought it was Justin Thomas. And I'm like, I'm going to take out a fucking hybrid here and bend it. For no reason. I'm going to bend it around this fucking bunker and I'm going to hit a high

fade and I just shank it left. He's like, well, you are striping the law right now. What do you think? So, but yeah, it was just one of the drowns where like everything was working. We had good vibes in there and those guys were great. The Dunes was was a course where I think that we all said the most amount of times, like, this looks like Australia.

Yeah, and it didn't have the Australia quote unquote like greens where like everything ran off. Because like all we had known up into that point was like you got to hit the ball super early and run it up. Like you could kind of stick it there. Like every like it was a little bit harder, especially harder than what we just saw here in Tasmania. But like it was more of just like the golf course that I'm used to while also looking completely different.

Right. Just like the land. It just looked like we were out in nature and all. You know, you couldn't, there was like no structures, no homes, like none. We were no neighborhood. It was like they had just dropped us off in the middle of fucking Australia. Yeah. And it felt that way when you looked around at the terrain.

For anyone out there who's been to ban, then it kind of reminded me a lot of old McDonald, the golf course out there. Aesthetically, it was just really, really fucking cool. So we had a great time there. We did a dinner afterwards. We had kangaroo steaks for as well, I get a little appetizer. It was strange. It wasn't like steak.

It was like prosciutto. It was raw. I give it a thumbs down. I know you guys somebody in the group here liked it. It was just initially it just like, oh, that kind of tastes like salami or something. And then the aftertaste just it creeps up on you and it gets in on your breath. And you're like, I don't want to. You had to keep eating because it got gamey a little bit at the end.

Right. So it's one of those sneaky things where like you eat it, it got worse. But you had that sensation early that it was good. Yeah. So then before you know it, you just start doing kind of the thing. And they served it with the crackers and a little bit of egg salad in the middle. I wasn't a huge fan of the consistency of the way it was served. Like I think I would have been better off if you just gave me any sort of anything that looked like a regular steak and you're like, oh, that just happens to be kangaroo meat.

I would have been like, all right. Like it looks like a steak. It could have came from any sort of like cattle or whatever. I don't know. But you're telling me it's kangaroo. It's fine. I don't know if that's possible. I don't know if they can cook kangaroo steak like that.

All I know is that the only experience that we had was there was this little slivers that if you lifted it up, there's little surferfer. circles literally like prosciutto like if you went through an italian restaurant and you got like a meat it's these thinly sliced just red pieces of meat that hadn't been cooked ever they were just they just came out of the animal and just were put on on a plate yep and i and like you and they gave us these little mini crackers that you rolled the meat onto so like i was like bending the meat and everything about that just made me feel a little like slimy and weird we had just seen kangaroos just that's like day basically why is it different from like we had just seen cows and like I know, but at least it's grilled and, like, very, yeah.

This fucking thing was just hopping around. Just hop right onto our plate. Two hours ago. And then you put the little cheese on, but I enjoyed that because I just thought of like, all right, this is like an Italian meat dish or something. So did I. That's how I felt. We were at this great venue.

You may remember what that place was called? Oh, Portsea Hotel. Wow. Port Sea Hotel. This place was phenomenal. So look, if you ever come to Melbourne, do yourself a favor. Drive about an hour and 15 minutes south down the Mourington Peninsula. go play the Dunes.

We met the owner, Duncan. Hilarious guy. Hilarious guy. Gave us more beer than, like, right up the bat than we could drink. Sanders Beach, like, brewery or whatever. I think he, like, owns. The guy's a legend.

Yeah, he is. He's the man, and then after you have your little meal, you drive about 15 minutes down the road, and you go to the Portsy Hotel, have yourself a dinner. What a trip that is. What an experience that is. Now, as most of us have found out the hard way,

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lonseston sure charlie our driver said you could just go with lani lonny well that's not going to help people when they're trying to book flight and stuff. So I think you got to go to Launceston. They do call everything Lonnie. They call where we're at right now Barney. They call Australia Aussie. They call Tasmania Tazzy. They fucking love this shit. They have crazy nicknames too.

So, like, they were trying to explain to me when I I said this in the last box, but I got whispered away by a couple of Aussie kids and we all went to get pizza and they was telling me like, um, like your like, um, my nickname, basically anytime there's like two R's or two L's or if it ends

in like an IE or whatever or anything, It just would be like a Z. So I'd be like Baz instead of Borelli. So I'd be Frankie Baz. Oh. And like you'd be like, yeah, weird. And you'd be like Riney. Like so like if you like don't already end in like an eye,

they would add it to yours. But because mine is they end it with like a Z. It was wild. Like one of the guys Murphy, his name is Maas. That's like everyone knows of Maas. Very interesting. It's bizarre. And they said like it's so well known that if you traveled anywhere around like

and someone heard your name, they'd immediately start calling you that. They'd like, hey, Maz. Oh, why? Yeah, it was crazy. Like, I'd be Baaz. You know, I don't, my brain is so shot recently. I don't remember anything they said told me.

So I'm trying to piece it together right now. So this is half true. It's true. Like, I remember that. That's just saying. Everything else. I remember that. I remember that.

I remember candies are called lollies. That's a whole. I've been sticking out one. You can't stop saying that. That's the only one. You just can't. Every time we go into a, like, a pro shop

when you get like, hey, if I want anything, like I'll probably get like a I didn't need a lot of Mars bars. You have. So they're good.

Just a graveyard of Mars bars in our room. But Frank, you never miss this opportunity to say Lolly. Yeah, Lolly. Lally.

So we made our way to Tazzy. It's about an hour and 20 minute drive from Lonseston to Barnbougal. If you don't know what Barnbougal is,

it's sort of abandoned dunes Cabot links of of Tasmania. It's on the northeastern coast of Tasmania. It's right on the water and in the dunes. There's two golf courses. The first one that we played is called Lost Farm.

It's a Bill Corr designed course. Bill Corp. has done a ton of phenomenal golf courses. Corrinshaw, Ben Crenshaw. You know who they are. They've done a ton of top-rated golf courses. They've got Cabot Cliffs, which is my favorite course I've ever played, is a Cora Crenshaw. Fryer's Head is a Crenshaw.

There's a couple courses out at Bandon that are core Crenshaw's. They've got the sheep ranch, which is opening up in 2020, and they've also got Bandon Trails. They've done Part 3 courses. They're incredibly renowned, maybe the most renowned architects in the world. And the first course that we played, Lost Farm, is Bill Corp. He was actually out there shaping. We could hear him on the fucking bulldozer shaping the par three course that they're adding here. That was great.

So we'll get into the whole thing, like the driver and the whole thing. But, I mean, if we're talking about him right now, it was nuts to be out on a golf course and listening to the architect building more of the golf course on the other side of the trees. And I, like, never knew that that happened. I may be dumb. I may. This may be why, like, Shackleford doesn't like me. Yeah, you're not an architect. I don't know.

I don't know how they do that. I thought, like, you design it. They have the layouts. I didn't know what the guys get into a fucking tractor trailer. and actually take he's just working by himself you could hear it felt like there was a transformer walk like running through the forest it was like um it was like i don't know it was different because it wasn't making that much noise it was almost like he was just like doing it slowly delicately delicately picking up the craziest terrain of all time like we were walking through this fucking lost

farm farm golf course here at bar and boogel and we're like how the hell do you just how do you make a golf course out of this because the trees that left and right of us are like The craziest trees I've ever seen. And at one point, this entire world that we're standing on here was all just those trees. So how the hell do you make this golf course? I picture like a pottery class where they're spinning the wheel and you got the hands, like, forming it. That's what he was doing. Oh, like that.

It's so satisfying. But he just jumps into a fucking tractor and does it to the land. It's really, I'm with Frankie. Like, I'm not a huge architect buff. I don't know a ton of the history of it. But so just to hear like, I was like, what we're like, what's that noise? like oh yeah that's you know bill core over there he's in the tractor just moving stuff around he's making the par three course i'm like what do you mean like he right he draws it on a

fucking paper and someone else like people that do that for a living go like just like that's like that's like saying like the fucking guys who like the architects of these buildings just go out there and start putting the steel in and shit like hang up that's crazy to me that they actually do it dude gill hans too is pretty famous for like when because you know he does all the the restorations of like wing foot and he's very famous for fucking being the restoration guy for all the members we see him out there and like the dozer just like shaping the course all the time

like shaping the bunkers and stuff like wait what doesn't his team do that which I do believe the team you know they have a fucking team and a company all that they do a lot of it but I don't think it's that uncommon for the top guys to get out there do it themselves like no I'm gonna I'm just gonna fucking move his dirt around a couple times all day until I get it how I like it we ran into him

yep he drove right by us he saw the cameras and I mean they stopped right by you and they like they talk made a comment about the podcast. Yeah. And so I had met him very briefly, a doubt he remembers, when we did a walk-through and I was actually with Matt Janella and Alan Shipnuck and those guys at Band and Dunes for the Sheep Ranch, which is the new golf course that they're opening.

Like I said, that's up on top of the cliffs. And Bill Corr was there kind of putting some finishing touches on it, and he walked us around the course for like an hour, two hours. And then, so I've seen him twice in the last, that was in July. So in the last, like, five months I've seen Bill Corr twice. one was on the cliffs of Oregon as he was walking around telling us about the sheep ranch which is opening up there

and then I see him again and he was driving down the 10th fairway after we just heard him all there in the whole front nine shaping the part three course I see him on the fucking northeastern coast of Tasmania crazy what is that

imagine if they gave you a sheet of paper like a topographical map of this land and they were like draw the two golf courses and then we turned in our answers of what we think the golf course should be, and then they would just destroy. They might not let us near the golf course ever again. Just like, no, I would start here. I would start here and I put a par five going that way, but you just ruined three beautiful

holes. Right. Yeah. I don't even know where you would begin. No. And we have had two, I think only two architects on. We had Gilhantz on like two years ago. Trent Dan and I had them on.

It was a really interesting conversation because it was like course architecture for dummies. We were like, oh, why do you do bunkers? You know, like, we fucking asked it that. And he had a really interesting answer. Good question, Trump. And he talked about, like, thank you. I think that was my question. Yeah, I don't remember.

Well, he was stuck in bunkers all day. So why do you do bunkers? He's like, fuck these bunkers. Yeah, exactly. And he kind of, like, he traced it back to the roots of Scotland. Where he was actually, like, sand and trouts are not, were just natural in Scotland as, like, a natural, really shitty place for your ball to end up because all those courses are based on sand and Leedskopf and all this and all this and that.

And so you can listen to that. And then we had David McClay-Kit on. I think earlier this year. Was that this year? was that two years ago. I think I might have been two years ago. God, I just can't remember this stuff. It might have been a couple years ago now,

but he's got a phenomenal Scottish accent, and he actually built mammoth dunes, which is where Lurt shot his career low earlier this year. But, like, they do talk about how you work backwards. You find green sites, and then you work backwards to the T. Because green sides are the most important part, and you work backwards how the golfer would work his way through this terrain and sort of build out the whole that way from, like, the green backwards,

which is really, really interesting. But, yeah, those are the two times. So Lost Farm was kind of like three different golf courses it felt like. Like you kind of start by the clubhouse, and this is a, the clubhouse. Frankie's phone's going off. Frankie. That was Siri said, sorry, I don't see that. Horatious.

What the fuck is wrong with you? Come on, Sierra, in the middle of a podcast. God, that happens so often. Lost Farm is very unique in that it's in the dunes that are, you know, near the coast, and then there's a handful of holes that are actually on the coast. and when they hit you, they fucking slap. Like the fourth hole at Lost Farm is one of the more stunning,

just all-on, full-on experiences of a golf hole that I've ever had because the first three holes, you have no idea how far away you are from the ocean. Nothing. Or the bay, or whatever the fuck that is in the beach. And then you come over this little precipice and walk up this hill.

You're surrounded by this tall grass with extremely dangerous tiger snakes all over the place. And then you just emerge, and it's this light, like almost Caribbean blue water all around you with the beach and then this sick like short par three and you're just like stunned. Your senses are stunned when you see it.

And then you get to play this incredibly inviting golf hole. And then you hit off the next hole is the par, this par four where you hit over a dune and the rivers on your right. And then you're kind of back in like the farmland and then the dunes. And you're kind of back in those dunes until you get to like 14, I think it was, where again, you sort of walk over this precipice and you can see the fucking ocean and all of these dunes and it's just magnificent

for the next four or five holes as you finish up. So it was kind of a wild experience playing that course. Yeah, it was crazy. It was one of the few courses that you can play, I think, in the world where you step up to a T-box and you're like, holy shit. Right, there's billions of golf courses

in the world and like, I mean, millions. There are a million golf courses? No way. A million? A million golf courses. I don't know. There's definitely not a billion. Well, whatever.

I don't know if there's a lot. I don't know if there's a hundred thousand. I don't know. This is a new thing, too, that, like, you know. That, that, I think just Riggs was doing on the golf course where every time I say something that I'm clearly exaggerating, it takes it seriously. Like, before, we were playing. We were playing. And you're like, oh, they hire than, I can't tell which one's higher.

You were trying to do the, what? The Adam Scott. You're like, I can't tell. I'm like, well, Riggs is like, 10. I was, like, getting mad at you. I'm like, well, Riggs is, like, clearly. 10 feet higher than you and rigs that goes to the camera he goes i may be like a foot and a half higher than him it's like well yeah if you're gonna take out a fucking uh uh ruler yeah i'm not i'm just

saying like there's a billion golf courses in the world and there's only a couple of them that say oh fuck because of the because of the view the only reason i looked at the camera and that that is a man who is on day 11 i just can't take that yeah let's get him a tea yeah there's a billion sleepy time to let's get this guy how many golf courses are there in the world i tried to look it up Say a million. It's got to be a million. They got to have an answer, like a ballpark answer. That's so much land.

Think about how far we travel around the world and how many golf courses are just in this little area. They're everywhere. They're everywhere. The only thing I'll say about that moment was that was Trent who made the comment about a foot and a half. I did. No. I know I didn't say that. The only reason I looked at the camera was because there were people waiting on the tea while you guys are doing your little bit.

So I was trying to do a pace of play thing and I looked at the camera like, can we please go on. I don't think I was anywhere near that conversation. I don't remember that out. It was huge. You did. You made a huge bird. Whatever. not a billion.

I would say there's a million, and I'd put money on it, at least a million golf courses in the world. I'm going to try to Google it right now. Why are we not getting to the bottom of that? I feel like that's more. 34,000 and 11 golf courses in the world. 34,000?

Lerich said, you've got to be a million. This is according to 2015. All right, all right. In last four years, could have been just an incredible influx of golf courses in the world. I don't think we're hitting a milly. Hopefully Billy Coors out there just ripping new courses out.

Man, it couldn't be more. Get on that dozer. I could be my worst one yet. A million golf courses. That one was very, yeah, yeah, yeah. The place was clearly. Not even 100,000? I'll tell you what, I would have taken me over on 100,000.

34,000. That's a good bet. There's just no golf courses. All the non-listeners out there? I'll think about that. 45% of golf courses are in the United States. Man, though. So that's only.

Boy, oh, boy, man. That's just, what, 15,000? Yeah, something like that. Boy, I think if you ask someone... If you put the question out there, if you know, I listen to the show, obviously, if you ask somebody, how many golf courses think they're on the world? I think you might get the biggest range of numbers you've ever seen.

It can't be a million, I guess. Before, like, hearing that number, I would have said it was definitely, like, 400,000, something like that. I mean, I would have put my life savings on over 100,000. Yeah. Yeah, now that we know the number, it's hard to say what I would. would have said, but I definitely would have said, you know, six figures plus. I mean, I agree with a million.

Plus. You agreed with a million? Yeah, I go, oh, yeah. Or something like that. 34,000? I guess like, we're a good team, though. What have we played, what, 28,000 courses? I feel like we played a ton.

I feel like we played a ton of courses. We've played, I pretty much played them all. 34,000 is a stunning number. Like, American bias, like, just living where we live. Like, I just know in my town, there's like, in my town. Is that golf clubs or is that courses? Like this place has two, one club. Beth Page has, what, five?

But you're still. I'm just trying to get a higher. This says golf courses. Like in my own town, I think, like, Eisenhower's got three. There's at least five, like, country clubs in the surrounding area. Beth Page has six golf courses.

It's like, this is like the chairs debate. Like, to one person, well, then there's a million people. There's a bunch of, not a million, but whatever. Yeah, a bunch of golf courses. in the Cedar Rapids. It's fucking insane. Yeah, this is from a 2015 less than 40,000.

ESPN Associated Press from the Associated Press article. And it says the study titled Golf Around the World said there are 34,000 and 11 golf courses in the world, 45% of which are United States. That is down from a peak of 16,052 courses following

a gradual but steady market correction. Wasn't there something in Iowa where each town or each like borough had to have a golf course? I don't know about that. We definitely don't call them Burroughs either. We got 99 counties. What do you think it's the Shire, like Middle Earth?

I mean, hey, you know, 10 feet higher. That's a man from the East Coast. I got a, I got a actually funny text today, speaking of the Shire from, uh, no, it was, it was a fun. It was a, I sent a picture of the golf course from today. It's an incredible picture. I sent it to Brock Nelson. And he goes, is that a golf course amidst, amidst the Shire? and just like that wording just made me laugh out while I was standing on that T-Box

I'm like, you know what? I think Frodo Baggins could come out here and just walk around. I think producer Jake had a few comments like that as well. He's like, I feel like we're in the shire. I mean, three people calling it the shire means it's the shire. It's the shire. You ever seen anything that looks like the shire more than the shire when three people are saying the shire? 34,000 golf courses in the world.

Boy, we're going to try and bury that one. And then there's another golf course at Barnbuggle called the Dune. It's the Dune's course. and that is a Tom Doak and Michael Clayton golf course. It was equally as stunning, I would say. There's a river that, like, runs through it. Looks like the Nile River. To me, I never seen the Nile River.

That looks like the Nile River. You get a much better view of that. Float Moses down that thing. Yeah, it's like, what's the most, like, Moses get floated down the Nile River? He's asking that to Andrew, who is just standing back. Yeah, looking at him like, you're an idiot. Did Moses get...

Man, Jeff Shackleford would hate this show. A million golf courses. What if there's one show he's going to listen to this one after... Moses parted the Red Sea. He parted the Red Sea. He parted the Red Sea. You're right. I will say, like, the Nile... John Huggins, like, you motherfuckers.

The Nile does run through Egypt. So, I mean, he could have. I will say you don't get a view of that river as much, really at all, from the fourth green and fifth at... the lost farm and then the closing holes at the dunes. 15 or 16? 15, 16, 17, 17, kind of 18. 18, 18, T-box, you can kind of see it. Jeff Shaggivert is listening to show going,

I'm going to mop the floor with these guys. The fact are so stupid. We're more formal than we appear right now. Don't take this shirt. Go back to the first half of the show. That was the stuff where we're really, you know, turning the screws on you. So we're going to sharpen up our geography.

He's not done. Frank is not done. He's scrolling through the right points. Nobody tells Jeff Schogefer because we're going to ask him on many fucking golf courses there are in the world. He's going to screw up that. Oh, yeah. One million. Yeah.

So the Farrow. It'll probably be like 34,011. Yeah, maybe. You've seen a small decline in the last couple of years. Market correction. It's fun talking shit about that guy who's not here. I wish I was joining him with you guys. on this, but I've been trying to get this little thing out.

Anyone that's been listening in the last couple of seconds, you've heard me try to say the word the Pharaoh, 10 or 11 times, and I just can't get it through. I wish I was joining in on you with the shackleford. No, but go ahead. The Pharaoh had commanded that all male Hebrew children born would be drowned in the river Nile,

but Moses was left on the riverbank, where they knew that people and women would be bathing or, you know, being there. Okay. So, were you right? I don't know if he was floating down the river, but I know the Nile River was with the story. Okay. He was really close.

Anyways, there's this river at the Dune's course that looks to Frankie like the Nile River that sort of dominates sort of the more memorable holes. And then you kind of go out towards the 17th hole is just, you're just hitting at the beach. You're fucking on the beach. Frankie was actually on the beach, which is going to be a phenomenal clip from the video from the travel series. But yeah, the Dune's course was equally as far. phenomenal equally as stunning a lot of incredible bunker work the greens were tom doke so they're pretty wild there were some puts that you had to hit that you tried to hit off different slopes and

whatnot that um sometimes worked out great other times did not and lurch played the round of his life for about what 15 holes uh 16 16 holes 16 holes i had two holes that were horrible i made a quad and i made a triple well it all started out with an absolute trouncing of a match play. So at this point, though, let's not just skip over that. Right, but they beat us at Lost Farm to even up the match. Skips over that. Well, we hadn't been talking about it.

No, but I just wanted to give that. No, but I just wanted to give that. We had a couple things that happened at the Lost Farm that I don't think I'll ever forget. I mean, 18 was a hole that should never not be talked about. Never, never, never be talked about. Never not. No, we should always talk about. Oh, we should always talk about it. Yeah. I would love to talk about.

We would be very great. Let's actually open up the table on this. Remember the 18th hole. Let's remember the fourth hole. The snake. We're at Lost Farm and we are at the most beautiful hole that I've ever seen. Did you think that was your text message? Yes.

I didn't know. That was a bird out here. Oh. No, it wasn't. That was a bird outside. No, I know it was. That wasn't a Twitter notification? No, no.

That was a bird. All I know is that Twitter came here when they came up with that notification and they just, and they. And they recorded that. I heard it at my 6 o'clock for sure. Yeah. Whatever. On the fourth hole and we're filming it. And we all hit great shots.

Phenomenal shots. Four balls on the green. Is that what that was? Yep. And do you hear that text again? Yeah, that was crazy. And fucking Trent hits the pin. Yeah, I did.

What was that? How far was that hole? 130. 130 meters, maybe. Yeah. Downhill, huge ocean or bay, whatever the hell of that is. on the right and Trent just drills the pin and it sits right next to it

I hit a pretty good shot like not too far away from the hole we're all on the green there is a bird just right in our mix right now and I can't pay attention I'm trying to so badly and turns out that something happened with the camera because we're doing one of the rigs verse we're doing the rigs verse and you know we're filming every shot and our producer Jake comes up to us and he goes I don't know to tell you guys

this but all those four phenomenal shots you guys just hit no one will ever see them they're never going to see what happened because I just didn't something happened I thought I was recording I thought it was recording and it stopped so we went back to the T-box we filmed the Riggs verse this time it was just a lot worse I put

my ball in the water come on you can only ask me to hit someone good I mean alright yeah let's go back up there I just know it one of my life Trent now hits his ball into a bunker that is surrounded by high fescue and there's sand and it's just the whole

thing's just a mess and on our way here our driver from the airport was telling us I know you guys may have heard about like Tasmania having crazy animals the devils and all these things and the snakes and this is where the devil

keeps his pets but like don't actually fuck around with the snakes here because like they are everywhere He had a drop in his tone too that made it like a real and like pulled you in because he was like I don't know I can't even do it because I'm pretty much tone deaf

but he dropped his tonality and was like no no no really like You don't go into the week. You don't go into the week. You just don't go in. And it wasn't just that they're everywhere. We find out later and we kind of knew a little bit at the time, but the snakes will literally kill you. Yes.

You get bitten by one of these snakes. They are so venomous and dangerous. The tiger snake in particular, which is what we saw, that if you get bit and you don't get medical attention within an hour, you will die. Right. Die. So in goes Trent into this bunker and out comes a tiger snake out of its, it was burrowed inside. this bunker and it just comes out and it's probably what, five, six

feet long and a half feet. And it's just slithering around. It's dark, it's slimy. It's going into the bunker coming out of the out of the brush. What it looked like is that it was curious about the thing that had just like landed in its area. And it's home. It was a round

your ball. A fried egg you know, in the bunker. And it just sort of slither around it and it was a horrifying moment. Turns out that that snake is one of more venomous snakes in the world and that it's like just got here right like this is something that like they learned a lot about tiger sharks right snakes snakes sharks too though i appreciate tiger sharks also dangerous yeah also more aggressive sharks in the sea i said the wrong word but yeah so

randomly one of my best buddies from high school his sister lives here and is married to this guy andy who runs a beef jerky farm every time you say that it's crazy the name if you're ever in tasmania they only sell it here it's like coi grape turkey. The fact that someone from the States now works at a beef jerky farm on Tasmania. It's crazy. It's like you did a little spinning thing. It's like, what am I going to do with my life?

And whatever random thing happens, I'm just going to go to it. It was like beef jerky, Tasmania. And like, we're going. Madlib. Madlib, yes. So anyways, yeah, I took a video of the snake slithering through this hand trap. After that, we instituted basically a rule that you get a free drop if the ball's closed, which actually came to play a few times, which was made perfect sense.

We don't need anybody die it out here. No. Right. If it was in a spot where you could have been able to go in and knock it out. Yes. Now move it out of the snake pit and the grip of death and just hit it out because, you know, we're trying to have fun. Jeff. So this guy, Andy, starts telling me that this tiger snake is the most deadly in Tasmania.

I think we're in the southeastern area of the mainland, Australia. and now there's been, quote unquote, the Wikipedia page says unconfirmed reports of them being in the northeast part of Tasmania, which we are. If it bites you, you have a 50% chance of death. And I think you only have like one hour of time before you like seize up in your death. We found out from local people, the guys who have worked here, the guys who have been driving us in the shuttle, which is also a great part about this. If you're ever traveling here, they'll shuttle you everywhere from, you know, they'll get you at the golf course. So bring you back over to where you're state, wherever you're staying.

Yep. And to like the rest around the whole thing. So I love that part. It makes me feel like I'm at a golf resort. I love it. I just, I love getting on a shuttle and just going to where I need to go. You don't need to worry about driving and fucking Uber and all that stuff.

Pinehurst was a lot of phenomenal. Yeah. And, uh, we, yeah, we heard that the only way of really getting, the only way of really getting. We're just,

Lurch, you just asked me to me about software right now. Lurge, we just got a way. You just got a way. You just got to wait to tell the news. Sorry, somebody, I just, I just,

deal just closed. So I just got an email. He just sold to the software. Hell. Yeah. I just gave a, huge. Woo.

Woo. People buying software. Riggs like, rigs like game of looking. Well, no, because I'm trying to talk. It's like,

it's like, it's like, we're doing a podcast and it's a recording, so they're just going to pick up on that. I slowly started looking over as I was speaking. And I just stopped speaking. I was like,

you know, this guy on the shuttle was, and I just heard he's like, we got the software. Software Anyway, basically we heard from these guys who know And I think one of them's gotten bit by a fucking one The only way to really help yourself

Especially out here because you're like an hour away From any sort of hospital or any sort of help Is you just cut it open, right? And you just suck it out Jesus Christ How does that work? The venom doesn't go on your mouth? He said you spit it out

Okay, that's fucking ridiculous Ridiculous? It seems like a teeth It seems like a bad idea But it's really the only idea Would you suck out the venom out of my leg? Honestly Yes

I don't know that I would What? After I just said Yeah I want to change my I can change my answer That you imagine You both get bit by the same snake

You suck his venom out We've got a 60 A 69 snake suck But like Everybody are really quiet Maybe Maybe now that I know That's what you have to do

But like let's say we never met someone You only heard rumblings That like the way to save someone Is like slicing open their leg And sucking it out with your mouth And you only heard like, like, folk, like, like, like, it's a legend. Like, like, one shuttle driver saying. Oh, just like, it's a legend, right?

Like, wouldn't you think that sucking the venom out would, like, now make you fucking die, right? Like, logically, like, oh, it's in your leg. You're going to die. Let me put this in my mouth right now and suck out the blood out of your leg. Like, I think that's fucking horrible. I don't know that I would fucking do it. I do trust the guy who told us. Yeah.

For whatever reason, but. I don't know how I would do it. Like, I'm fucking eating. And I don't understand how you do it either. Like, how do I know I'm not just sucking. like your random blood out of you. Like I'm, yeah, like I'm sucking out of fucking like, I don't know. Like what are you going to say?

Extrapolate, go ahead. Like what, Frank? Like that lemon ice pop that we were eating in the media center. Or it looks like a big old dick. I mean, I'll just get to it. Yeah, it does. I can't eat. I love lemon ice pop.

The push ones and I just can't eat it without looking like off. It looks like. It looks like big birds' dick. Just. And I'm, and I make noises too. It's like, it's just. That's just what it is.

Walking around the media said, maybe that's why they were all like a little intimidated. I'm walking around sucking on this fucking rock card lemonade. You know? What that? What were we talking about? Snakes. Snakes.

So yeah, I would, you know, be aware of the snakes. So we saw that on four, whatever. We did the whole thing. Now we get to 18. It was a battle this round. Great match. What was like the ups and downs? I mean, at one point we were up.

They were big time down. I feel like they were always up all day. We weren't up in the beginning. We were, uh, no, at one point we were like two or three up. Okay. Yeah. We started battling back. There were a lot of times where, like, I, so I wasn't playing terribly.

I was playing okay, and Lurch was playing fine, and we were playing to our handicaps, and we were getting some strokes here and there. And there was a certain times where I had a big putt, like four or five feet, where I strung together a really good shots, and I just missed birdie puts. And I missed puts on holes that I was given a stroke. And we always had a chance to, like, rattle off one or two. Like, whenever I missed a three-foot slider, Lurch would follow that hole up with, like, a perfect, pristine hole where I'm like fuck now we're only down one but we would have been even

and it would have been like all square but we get up to 18 we won 17 yep yep we're up on 18 we have strokes on 18 I made a huge par on 17 we have strokes on 18 we step up to the tea we we both hit it right down the middle I hit maybe the best drive of the fucking day we're down one now we have a chance to push which wouldn't leave the root up like in a really good position for us where If we push that day, the worst we could do is push the whole Rookup. So we're both in the fairway. Riggs is in a crazy bad spot up against a fucking snake pit. He has to punch out.

Trent Daddy's in the woods. He actually wasn't in the woods. It's unfortunate that you saw this shot. Trent Daddy was safe and then was trying to hit it over the shit and just hit it right into the shit right in front of him. A wall of shit. The ball was just gone. He's hit my head four. But he got two pops on this hole.

So, So take it away from there. No, no, no, you keep going. You're on fire. I'm trying to remember it.

So then from there, I'm seeing Riggs punch out. He looks like shit. Then he hit another one behind. A topped an eight iron. Yeah. So then he's lying three up by the green. And you guys are both stroking on me.

Yes. So Riggs is lying three like 60 yards on. He's lying three, 80 yards away from the green. Yep. I'm lying one net zero, 145 meters away. I'm lying one net zero, 150 meters away.

So I hit a pitching wedge up there, which was a very safe shot. But it wasn't bad. I was five, 10 yards maybe off the green, but I could just put on, no big deal. Right. That's what we're thinking. So you're sitting there two net one. Yes. And we're in trucking cruise control.

We're like, we're going to win this thing because we have a couple chances. I chunk my shot from 150, whatever. So now I'm sitting two. And then I blade my next one over the green. So I'm like, the butter knives just came out. They were sharp as ever And I just I was like oh fuck man

I'm sitting three behind the green I'm putting up there for four But I'm still fine because all I got to do Is making up and down and you win easy Because I get a stroke Well at this point too As you're walking off after you blade it over You're like Lurch I need you on this

You got this Because you're there in two Yes I'm there in two And the guy that you're trying to beat Is there in three And you get a stroke Yeah so really I'm there in one Does you have something to add

So then I hit a fucking My fourth shot from an eight 80 yards out. Almost goes in the hole to like four or five feet. To four feet and we're like, holy shit. So now we got to do something. Makes it real. But I still.

Still a great thing. I still can three putt and win this hole. Right. Because we know that Riggs is in for five. Yes. He made an incredible up and down. He's going to make it. We know he's in for five.

He still had to make a put, but whatever. You knew mentally that we had to just beat a five. All you had to do lurch. Hold on. Hold on. All you had to do was you're lying three. You had to get up. and down from the backside of the green.

You hit your first shot to the top of hill and you left it 20 feet short. 20 feet short, yes. So then you two putt for a six five. Six five. So that's your story. You suck. We push on my putt with him. But we still need to win the hole.

My attempts from just short of the green. First one, I whack, but it hit like a mushroom or something just short of the green. And that's where I know we lost, right? I'm behind the green. And I know I'm like, oh, God, Lurch, you have three putts to get this ball in the hole. All you got to smack this thing anywhere, like, to 10 feet, 12 feet. To 20 feet. And then your next one just needs to get close.

So I heard this thing go, oh, it hit a pebble. And I'm like, and I just looked down. I'm like, we fucking lost a match. We lost a match. We lost the match. So then my next part, though, I still, so the first one, I probably advanced 40 feet, but I still have 20 feet left. Sitting four and at three.

Yes. And I'm not in for five years. No. No. So at this point. no at this point I'm three net two I lie there yeah so I still have two yeah so three net two there so I'm lying three

hit my fourth shot all I have to do with this one is get it within like three feet or something like that wasn't that hard a hole man no straight uphill maybe I play it you know a ball to the left I hit just it's so soft and I left it what seven feet short seven feet short just rinky dink old man in this point everyone in the green is going crazy

because we were so dead the hole is Over. Off the T, it was over. Off the second shots, it was over. Even after the third shots, the hole's over. Now all of a sudden it's like, their nightmare has now happened. He has seven feet that he has to make, and he hasn't made a seven-footer in a year. No.

And so what do I do? I miss the seven-footer. Sorry, I didn't even reach the hole that time. I took three putts, and I never actually let it even be possible. Entertain the idea of the ball would go in the hole because I left every. butt short and the last one was maybe three inches short and then they gave me that for a push and we lost the match yeah then i stepped up whose fault was that more yours or mine for the 18th genuinely i think it was yours and i'm not just saying that so i feel the same way no but

my shots were more difficult once i had made that first mistake right like i i chunked that first wedge and for me to hit like a a 40 yard like up the hill and make it check up wedge for me Like, I'm going to like, it's easier for me to blade that thing over than for you to knock a put to somewhere into a 10 foot range. A huge 10 foot circle. You just got to get it anywhere in there. Then you have two putts from there. You think that that's, that's a mushroom, Frank. Hit a mushroom.

Like, genuinely, you don't think that you. No, I mean, I take a lot of the blame on that one. I mean, it's really hard to defend me. I bladed mine, which is fucked. I mean, I took four putts to get home. He just can't make a part of my room. And I was doing more swing stuff, which is just, that's hard. Right.

Yeah. It sucked. I was going to say you, but when you put it like that, and all I can think about is me just four putting and all I had to do was three putt. Three hurts. But from your, I mean, you hit the best drive of your life. It was perfect. It was perfect.

High, towering draw. Then you chunked it. You're still in a good position. Where I hated you was when you bladed the next one over. And then you were like, this is on you. It's like, what? You can't get up and down? Well, yeah.

It was a huge incline. Like, I had to put it up on this shelf and have it come down. It was a harder put than what you had. No, I know. Mine was, mine was like a gradual uphill putt. And all I had to do was, as Riggs put it in the nicest, meanest way that he could say, he was like, what?

You were 80 feet out to start at the first time. You want to get the first one within 20 feet, the next one within two feet, and you make the putt. That's all you had to do. All I had to do. You were even close to any of that. The beauty of this. We made a combined 12. Andrew, that's how you want to say that?

He looked like he's itching for that mic. So you think you didn't blow it up. You had... Frankie. Frankie, you had four shots from where your drive was to get it in the hole. All you had to do was get it with inside 50 yards on the first shot. And then you can get it inside. Like, we're going to go through the same exact process.

You have four shots from a prime position. That's ridiculous. So, yes. So after one, it's more your fault. after our second shots, that's where Frankie's saying it's more my fault. Right. Like I understand. I chunked a wedge.

But then I was, I was five yards off the green where he was still 30 yards off the green. So after two shots, he said it's more my fault. I had like a 40-yard shot with a wedge to try and get it on the green somewhere close where I needed to then two putt, where he had a putt from five yards off the green. Like he's literally closer at that point. So how could he not be? A nightmare unfolded. It was bad. But, honestly, I would say, yeah.

The beauty of it is that we're gentlemen and we let them win that one. I let them win so that obviously this 11-day trip, the last round would be for the Rookup. The beauty of all of this is that it's all on film. So like everything that we're talking about with a blow up and these guys going crazy and then Frankie being like the holes on you now and then Lurch. All of it is so well documented. We have Jake and Andrew out there the whole time with cameras. We were using our phones whenever we could as well.

The drone flying. All of this is very well documented. and then the last round today Lurch played phenomenal I don't know Do we want to give away the whole thing? Yeah, I think you talk about it

I mean, yeah, they dominated us today. It was when you look at the square going into the final round When you look up the word domination in the dictionary I think Lurch's big dumb face is just next to the word.

He played so well today. Yeah, he was unconscious. I mean, you played unconscious golf You had three birdies in a row at one point. Yep. And it wasn't like this course was that easy.

No, 11, 12, 13. They won, 6 and 5. Birdie, birdie, birdie, the win. You almost fucking canned up. drive on a par four.

Yeah. To seven inches. It was, it really was. A par four, you hit it to seven inches off the tee. Yep, that was smashed right at it too.

Do you have a scorecard on you, by the way, in your back pocket? He's standing up, he's reaching in. Yeah, we got a name. It looks like Nick Fowling in 1994. Yeah, he's got wild gear. The courses were great. Barnbougal was magical spot

on the northeast coast of Tasmania, which is a wild thing to say out loud that we're here right now. They're looking for the scorecard. I'm watching him rummage through this entire. He has the mic in his hands. I wonder if it works from there. I don't know if it works.

Test does. He's got the one of one. No one's listening, though, into it. You said test? I've got it. I've got the cards. What are you trying to find out from that card? I don't know.

Frankie asked for it. Well, no. Because there was a stretch where, so yeah. So you went, you started out in 10. So you shot 38 on the first. Right. Yep. 38 with a 7 on a par 3.

7 on a par 3. That's the thing that I want people to understand that. That's how well he played. And he got better on the back. Burt shot a 38 on the front with a 7 on a par 3. If you make a 5 there. Yeah. Which is a double bogey.

Yeah. You're at 30. There wasn't much to that bar 3. And it was like a 7-yard in your head. So then you opened it up with a bogey, birdie, birdie, par, par. and you're sitting on 16T you make a bogey there and then we're like all right

like you needed a like at some point a bogey was going to come right I'm reading it rolls apart right this is me right here so then you went bogey bogey and then what did you finish on that he made a fucking would you make a triple I made a triple on 18 to close it out and at one point

I actually took a I have a documented shot that I actually never made contact with a ball because at one On the 18th, I'm hovering on the ball. My feet are in the snake pit area. I took a swing. I missed the golf ball, and I fell square on my face into the golf ball. So embarrassing.

Eventually punched out, made a seven. So I had two sevens and still shot 76. The quad and a triple and you shot 76 today. That's how we got steam rolled. Yep. Especially because the triple wasn't even part of the match. And the quad, Frankie made par to push the hole. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. And it was the shit kick. The stretches that it was good, it was good. It was good. And it was fun to watch. Like, I know we were playing in a match with them, but at some point, you're just like, this is awesome. And for the video, we'll have career low counter going on the back nine after we got closed out six and five.

Because Lurch's career low going into this was a 73 that he shot at Mammoth Dunes. And you were at one point, one over par, which would be a 72 on this course with only like four or five holes to play. You kept making pars. And it was very intense. rooting for you. Yep. Coming down this epic stretch along the Nile River. And it turns out that's called the Bass Strait.

So where Jake is when you need them. Jake Bass, producer, but it's called the Bass Strait, which is that body of water between Australia and then the northern coast of Tasmania. Would you shoot? 76.

And I'll have to post to 73. I mean, yep. A 76 out there is insane. Because it is a difficult golf course with crazy hard tea shots. We had no idea where these landing areas were. And you also can't hit it into this stuff because there's snakes in there. So like half the time, like we didn't even go looking for the balls.

You don't look. The stuff's pretty thick. But it's also like you legitimately cannot look for your ball because you might die. Like the chance of death is actually very legitimate. Like yeah, do you want to go get that title list or do you want to see your family? That's right. So we did the snake drop, which is you take a one stroke penalty on the line. It went in anywhere.

And you get a drop. You can just drop. or if you actually can see your ball, if you can identify your golf ball in the snake pit area, then you can take a drop, you know, near that area with a similar lie, but so that you're not actually in the snake pit. Right.

And we did that the whole time. I can't believe how well you played. I couldn't believe. I felt like at one point when we were playing in the match, we were playing so well, we were like, like, like, go early. We were jiving off each other. It was like going shot for shot. Yeah, shot for shot.

It was like easy. Like, I mean, and we weren't, I mean, beating by. 12 strokes. Actually, I think what helps are, yeah. Well, I mean, people started, when the match was over, people started to taper off their golf games and it was just kind of like watching me to see if I would hold it together. But I think we see greens both so poorly that it almost help us read greens. Now, there's been some poor reads out there, given you were upset with me at times.

Well, yeah, today I was, like, pin high and two. Yeah. And I've been a huge backward guy all week with undulations. sometimes on the back of the greens, you can kind of roll it all the way to the back and we'll funnel back to the hole. There are a lot of opportunities I feel like here than most places that anyone's probably ever played. This is like really cool greens where it has these awesome ramps like he's saying. But I mean like you got like ramp crazy. There was a put like I mean how like I know I'm bad at the distances but like it couldn't have it was like 35, 40 feet.

And then you asked me to hit this ramp that was maybe 70 feet away from me. So like in mentally I'm like, oh yeah, it makes sense. but I'm like, why aren't I just putting it 40 feet? To the hole. And it wasn't even a downhill thing. Like, it was just flat. So I just passed the hole. You know what I mean?

Like, you know what he wants to do is when you can't hold the, like, you can't hold it there. Like you're chipping and you're like, oh, man, I have that bank and I know I can't get it tight. So let me get that, get it up that bank and it'll come back down. He was asking me to go past the hole that I just was just like, all right, I'll see you guys late. Like the whole, like my ball just went. I'll, like, maybe see you later, like, as it goes by the hole, ramp crazy.

I did get ramp crazy. But to my defense, on this hole, yeah, he missed the ramp by a couple of feet. It sat up on the, on top of the worst spot ever. Then you had to do another ramp situation. Yeah. The best is he trusted me on the downhill ramp, and I missed that raid by six. And I was, I was reading that thing like a, like a Jeff Shackleford book. I was like, oh, man, I have this thing fucking red.

And I was like, I'm going to go all the way out here. And it's going to come down. And he goes, no, no, no, no. It's right down here. Come to my feet. And he fucking makes like a little hole with his heels. It was right at the base of my feet. I'm like, are you sure?

So I hit it right to the base of his feet. It just goes, whoa, 100 feet to the fucking left. He stinks at reading. He stinks. I missed it by seven feet. Yep. I actually sometimes think I'm okay at reading the green. My execution's horrendous.

Sometimes I always feel like I have like I knew where it was going to go. Like I do feel like I have like some touch around there. But I just can't get it to go where I want it to go, which sucks. A couple of instances. where I misread it big time. This was one of my first times ever playing two new golf courses that have some blind shots and stuff where you don't know without anyone there to tell you. We had no idea where we were going on.

There wasn't a member with us. There wasn't a caddy with us. There wasn't like a local who played the course before. There were like five or six T shots we stood up there where there's a dude in your way or there's a bunch of bunkers where we had no fucking idea where to hit it. There was a lot of, yeah, it probably opens up over there. Yeah, I didn't know what I said. Yeah.

I was like, well, I hope so. Well, yeah, like the one par four where, like, it was a little dog, like, right? I thought I drilled a three-wind. We're like, oh, it's going to be perfect. And it just, like, wasn't because there's just, there's nightmare behind it. Oh, yeah. And then the other thing I was going to say is there's no fucking markers out here at Barambu. Nothing.

There's a 150 marker, a 200 marker, a 200 of 150 and a 100, but nothing on any of the sprinkler heads. So you have to have a range finder, which I lost on the first round, somewhere on the grass or something. I must have put it down. My pinned range finder just fucking left it You have to get a new one I have to get a new one from pin But that was tough all day At the end of the last yesterday's round

And all day today just not knowing Anything you should play like that every time I should. Dude you didn't think about that You could have shot like a 71 today Like no problem without ranges Without like no yardages right Like think about how fucking difficult that is

No I mean I don't know ranges You know help a little bit here and there I mean they fucking help Yeah but we're going off meters You know There's also a lot of wind Green ton of wind decent amount of wins.

You have to, like, hit shots. I know you have to hit shots, but, I mean, there was times where you're just like, where's the 150 mark? And I was like, it's all the way up there. And you're just like, all right. That actually, that part three that I made a seven on, I was like, oh, I'll just hit a big eight iron here. And I try to swing at it. And it's post-eagle.

So it's just that classic fuck up. But I yanked it 30 yards left. And that's up. I think not, no, I think not having a range finder, which you did today is more impressive to hit this. Appreciate that. I mean, I appreciate that. Yeah, it is.

I mean, I hit the ball. on the screws for most of the day. It was fun. I believe you guys got to go. We do. Yeah, we got to go. We're getting tight? No. Well, I'm just funny. We've been doing the show for two hours. So I don't know how long you want to keep going through every hole? Yeah. Are we good? I think we're good. Good win. We are rude champions.

Doing the podcast. It was talking. It was spectacular. The whole place was spectacular. We loved Bar and Boogu. We loved Australia. The people were as nice as they could be. The United States won. We stirred up golf Twitter. So it was a, it was a nice experience. it was a nice experience. I closed the software deal. That's huge. Congratulations on that. Yep.

That's all I got. Hit it hard. Hit it hard. Hit it hard. Hit it hard.