Fore Play - Frankie Borrelli vs Lefty JT, who you got?

Episode Date: August 15, 2019

Frankie Borrelli, our resident lefty, vs Lefty Justin Thomas in a golf match. Who would win? We debate this, slow play, Phil's ramped up Twitter presence and Tiger feeling better. We also breakdown and react to our in-depth Bryson interview from earlier in the week!You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

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You know all about this. The slow play stuff just drove people fucking crazy town. He was getting roasted, roasted on the internet in real life out at Liberty National. Everywhere. Bryson got roasted after that video, that two-minute and 10-second video of him reading a butt and then missing it by like five feet on an eight-footer went viral for all the wrong reasons. CNN picked it up. That's how big it got.

Let me start by St. Bryson is always going to be our guy for the exact reason of what happened this week, which is that Monday when, again, he's as big as he's on ESPN. It's all over the golf world. It got so big. The CNN had to pick it up. And then Monday he calls in a dozen hours with us and answers any questions that we have. He'll always be our guy. And we've got a lot to get into on that.

Having said that, he's just slow as fuck. I mean, he's a slow player. Right? Yeah, he can dance around it, and I think he knows that he was, you know, kind of reaching at some points. Listen, maybe not. All right. Bryson knows that he plays slow. What I think that Bryson is doing right now is saying that not only are people, like, backing him into a corner,

but people aren't understanding that there's other things that make the game slow, aside from him reading a put for two and a half to three minutes. Like he's saying that there are other ways that they can speed up the game, and he can still play to the time that they want if they don't have to put a 40-second shot clock on him. where at the end of the day, he will get in under time and everything will be fine. So I do agree with him on that. But he is still slow. At the end of the day, he does things that are slower.

He walked us through his system on how he puts. He walks up to the sprinklers. He does the whole thing? He's reading all these slopes and all this stuff. I asked him, does this make you take a longer process when you put? And he goes, yeah, absolutely. I have to work double amount as hard as the other guys that can just step up and put. So he is a slow player by design.

Right. And we push back on him at times where, you know, he was doing the whole caddy thing saying, well, some caddies don't walk. And I said, look, that just sounds like you're trying to blame anybody and everybody and not say and claim that you're a slow player when you're a slow player. And everyone out there listening, okay? Everybody out there listening knows a slow player, probably several. And you know that none of those people believe that they are slow players.

Right. Not one of them. Nobody thinks that they're slow. However, slow play is a massive issue in golf. It's like nobody thinks they're a bad driver. Everybody's like, I'm a great driver. I'm the best driver in the world. It's like, dude, you have hit four people.

And then it's not a good driver. It's the same thing with slow play. 100%. They always think everyone that's a horrible driver thinks everyone else on the road is a horrible driver. Exactly. No, you're actually the problem. Yep.

You know, my dad always used the example when he tries to make fun of my mom's driving. And he always says that my mom will, the last, he'll ask. He'll ask, oh, how was the ride? She'll be like, great. And he's like, meanwhile, if you had a camera, there's like, a truck's on fire over on the left, the stoplights, basically. There's a helicopter above, like, things are happening. She's, like, listening to music.

Like, oh, it's great. Same thing with slow play. Nobody think, and my mom's, you know, a good driver. They're married a couple. They both think that they both suck at driving. You know, that's exactly. That's the point. It's like Leonardo Caprio in Wolf of Wall Street.

When he takes all those ludes and drives home, he drives like that Lamborghini home, and then, like, he thinks everything was perfect. And then all of a sudden, in reality, he literally just wrecked everything and go down the road. A little different, but yeah. And that is what it comes to with. slow players when it comes to their perception of their own pace of play exactly what he said i just put it in movie form yeah in drug in drug form i knew frankie wasn't going to let that no he was like he's just steaming over there you say one thing to frankie he's on he's on hot seat right now well

you know what it is it's another whole year into my birthday so it's kind of like it's almost like when you have a sugar high you got to come down off that man do i today it was a bad day but you know we don't have to talk about that you treat the day of your birthday like the day after 4th of July vacation. Correct. And thank you to all the for play listeners and all of our people

that listen to a show. I received a ton of of happy birthday wishes. One from each of you actually here on the panel. Most of it was just making fun of you though. Yeah.

I shook your hand. I got a couple handshakes. Yeah. Wrigues shook my hand. Stared me right in the eyes first time. Stared right in the eyes and said happy birthday

and shook his end. For those people that don't. A little jerk. Trent Jets got that. I did. I thought he was talking about me. And then I was like, we're talking about eyes, so we're talking about Riggs.

Yeah, that was kind of a trick. I took it as like first time since the surgery. Well, I said the reason. I'm like, oh, man, like a straight-eyed handshake for my birthday. That felt good. Dead straight. Yep. There's a connection we made, man.

Happy birthday, Frankie. Thanks, guys. And I tweeted out one of your favorite videos. Oh, just an unbelievable video. I knew you'd be excited about that. I put up that's a Playman video on Twitter and Instagram. I put it in two places. Yeah, you kind of roasted them.

Yeah, that's making fun of them. I did the same. Yeah. No, it's a great clip, and I thought it happened right before, Frankie's birthday so I just you know I killed two birds of one stone yeah well it's over and I'm sorry to take us off the slow play top but we can get back to that yeah so there's so much to get to with the bryson interview my main thing is he so his biggest defense I think is what you were just talking about frankie which is the idea that coming in at four hour four and a half hours in a round of golf

is chalked up to a lot more than just when the shot clock starts and if you hit that shot within 40 seconds or when that clock starts was Bryson's point. Now, there's also a larger point, which is that fine, but what's excruciating and sucks and unfair to your playing partner is that awkward time around the green or on a T-box when someone, even if it's only 20 seconds, If someone stands dead frozen over the ball after addressing it for 20 seconds, that is, you will walk away from that round being like that was the slowest,

most miserable round of golf I've ever played. Even if that guy runs all over the golf course. So you do have to factor in how it affects other players and where slow play really matters and affects things. But the point is, like, Bryson's group comes in slow and behind all the time. And the parts of the game that he's slow at are the parts where it matters and sucks the most, which is walking up 70 yards to hit a shot and pacing the whole thing off, taking two minutes and 10 seconds to read an eight foot put.

Those kinds of things are where slow play is the most negative and has the most negative effect in golf. And that is why people saw that video and were so triggered and rattled by it because experiencing those things in real time just sucks. So now after listening to what Bryson said to us and, you know, digesting everyone's takes, all the PGA pros that went after him, all these analysts that went after him, who are we now, like, do we now say that it's time, like, are we putting the blame on the PGA tour, or are we saying that Bryson needs to now do something?

Because, like, I still don't blame Bryson for doing everything that he possibly can to get the ball in the hole. I just like, I don't, I don't care at that point. No, I don't either. I think the on the PGA and the players to keep it moving. I mean, when we talk to Bryson, he was like, I want the rounds to be three-hour rounds. It's like, well, that's great. Like, that's awesome. But in order to do that, yes, you have to be quick to the ball.

And when it's your turn, you have to be quick to play. And, you know, he's quick to the ball or he says he is. I've got no real data that says that. But, you know, whatever, he gets out there and gets to his ball. But then it takes a while when he's actually over the ball, which to Riggs's point, like that's where it feels like it slows everything down. And then it does slow things down. Like his groups come in a hole behind a lot.

100%. And then he might get saved in times where he plays with quick players. If the four of us play around and we're actually fat. but I take two minutes over the ball every time, but that keeps us on pace. You know, I'm taking like kind of your time to play shots as well. And that's why maybe you don't get affected if he plays with a Kepka or something like that, because, you know, Kepka plays it, I don't know, if the average is 430, he plays it minus, you know, 45 minutes.

And Bryson might use all that up to himself, selfishly, to take more time over the ball. Yeah, so, you know, I guess the blame, I mean, some of the blame does lie on Bryson And for the reason of in golf, you police yourself. And so if there is a rule, and the rule is really shitty, basically. It's like if you get put on the clock, then you take over 40 seconds, you get a warning. And then the second time you get a warning, you get like a fine. And it's like, it's complete bullshit, the rule. However, the spirit of the game is not like if someone sees you and calls you out for taking an illegal drop, you get penalized.

that like, no, no, you self-police yourself and you say, oh, no, I actually, you know, when I, or when I addressed my ball, it moved when I was in the woods. Nobody could see me, but I have to take a one-stroke penalty. That's how fucking golf works. And therefore, the reason it becomes so tricky is because part of us thinks, like, well, if that's what Bryson's process is and it makes him millions and millions of dollars and no one's punishing him. Why would he change?

The counter argument is, well, hey, dude, this is golf. And golf's all about etiquette and self-policing. and respecting the game and you're disrespecting the game and you're playing partners by taking forever, which again, we brought that up to him. He put out an Instagram post

where he said, I will try to improve my pace of play. So I think he's going through a very confusing time where I don't think he's going to change. I don't think so. If he's not motivated by the PJs. Yeah, 100%.

I agree with what you're saying. The spirit of the game, he should self-police and be like, oh man, all these guys are getting mad at me because I'm taking so long, boy, I should change. That's just not going to happen. Because like we said,

He has put a lot of money in his bank account by not doing that. So you need a little nudge by the governing body to be like, hey, we're going to penalize you if you don't pick it up because it's starting to annoy a lot of people. With the rule that we want the PGA Tour to implement, in a perfect world, how would that work? Like, let's say Bryson is standing over his ball and he's like behind a tree and he's about to hit it. And then he steps off. So like now the clock is technically running and what would they'd like give him 40 seconds or something like that? Yeah. So the 40 second shot clock and they've put this in play action in the European Tour.

It's awesome watching these guys how fast they play. But the way to do it, in my opinion, a lot of people's opinion, is what these guys care about are strokes. That's what they care about. They're super competitive. Finishing four strokes better at the end of a week is hundreds of thousands of dollars different every week. Add that up, whatever.

And for them to fly all the way somewhere and care about the tournament and practice and take every shot so seriously and then have stroke play penalties is where they care. It's not fine. It's fines. They don't really give a shit about. So you got to do it stroke play. So what I think it should be is like you have 40, seconds after one violation, like you get put on the clock or something.

And then after that, any violation after that, you get like a two-stroke penalty or something. That'd be crazy. Because like in the scenario, I was just about to point, like paint out is paint out. No, I was going to paint a scenario. No, you can paint it. You can paint it out. I want to paint that scenario out. Who's the guy with the, um, Bob, uh, Bob Ross.

Bob Ross. I'm going to Bob Ross to shit out of this. Bryson D. Chambos on the 17th hole on Sunday of a major and he's behind a tree. Yeah, but we're talking about Bryson. He's under a tree. and he's like, all right, he's going to maybe punch this thing low and he's going to pitch it out. Right? So he's got a four iron in his hands. He's going to put in the back of a stand.

So he's standing over the ball. He's about to address the clock's at like 12 now. He's thinking about it. He's about to hit it. His catty calls him off. Maybe we should be going over the tree. So now he goes back to his bag, runs around the bunker that he has to hit it over. Now he's at like 35 seconds. You're telling me that like had that happened earlier in the round, we're going to be okay with giving this guy a two-stroke penalty in case like he's hitting the shot of his life. and he needs to take like a minute and a half to maybe get this ball up on the green. Like that's an, that would be outrageous. I don't think I'd like accept that.

I'd stamp my feet on the ground and say, just keep giving me strokes. The argument would be if this is the second or third time in the round that this guy has taken way longer than anyone else, then go fuck yourself. That's against the rules of the game. That's against the spirit of the game. It's affecting your playing partners. So go fuck yourself. There's a leniency window where like you get a warning and you're able to do it once or twice or something. something along those lines, but that would be the counter argument.

Now, you are right. Like, that would be ridiculous. Yeah. And Lurch was right. That's kind of the time argument. And as viewers, we'd be all in on it. We're like, oh, shit, he's backing off. His catty.

We love that shit sometimes. Like, when it's really coming down to it and he's stepping on. He's addressing his ball and he steps off and he changes his club. I'd rather see that than see a guy like when Brooke sometimes hits the ball. We didn't even see it because the cameras couldn't even change there. Like, I was making this argument last night with one of my buddies. Like sometimes Brooks is too fast for the viewer. Like you want to talk about entertainment and moving the game.

Sometimes we talk about it on this podcast. Who was that? Who was the lady golfer who? They would cut to her. She'd already be gone. The Cinderella. The smiling Cinderella who won the British Open a couple weeks ago. Couldn't see her take a sight.

I can't remember her name exactly. The young Japanese girl who's like 21 years old. Yeah. She was awesome. But you're right. It's a very good point because on the 72nd hole, she had this birdie put to win the British Open after all this storyline. There was no buildup time.

No. By the time you realize, it was happening. They cut to her. She made the putt, and you were just like, oh, wait, it's over. It's just over. And this is the Brandel Schembley. I was trying to find the, um, the tweet, but this is the Brandel argument. He's been arguing this exact same thing saying, hey, in our game, building drama is incredibly important. Tiger Woods stalking that chip on 16. Stalking it is better than the chip. Like watching that footage of him. Dead silent broadcast. I think that was a minute 38. Just watching him. That's the time that he said. But yeah, absolutely.

Watching him graze the green like a gazelle, like, what is this guy going to do? And then he hits the all-time best shot. Like, you can't- Spots out, taking time. You see him analyze. You mean, you're so focused. I mean, if it's also such a finite of an area, too, that it helps. Right.

Where, like, Bryson is like 70 yards in that two-minute or whatever video to take him hit to hit the chip. You know, it's such a, I don't know, a bigger area that the cameras have to cover. I see what you're saying. But, and also, we're living in this world now where everyone wants to speed up the game. and the cameras are now like focusing on JT's reaction on the side and they're focusing on bright So they're focusing on Brooks like hitting his hand Yeah, it doesn't help slow play.

Totally. So Tiger, whoever his playing partner is back when he's trying to hit these incredible shots, like did you think the camera was on these guys being like, oh, they're probably pissed that they're not on the next T-boxer because Tiger stalking this chip shot? No, they just wanted to take the camera and just put it on Tiger during one of the best moments in golf history. And that's like that's where it's changed now. Yeah, we're watching. We're watching the guys he's playing with his reactions now.

Because they're anticipating it. Yeah. They're anticipating. This guy's been taking all day. It looks like Brooks is getting a little upset. Let's keep the camera on him. Yes. And so that's another thing.

Like, all right, so, you know, I don't know. The rule would have to, in golf rules. There's always like an A, B, C, D clause to it. But you'd have to think through all those things, whether like Sunday the back nine, you know, is there more flexibility to. You can't do that. You just can't because golf is always, always going to be predicated on every shot's created equal. Your first tee shot on Thursday is exactly the same of my.

of importance is your final put on Sunday, no matter what, whether you're winning the tournament or not. That's what golf is. So you can't go through. It's like, oh, well, if you're in a situation, thing, no. So herein lies, like, what is so difficult about this entire thing? I mean, look at the John Rahm situation of the player's championship earlier this year. Like, that was one of the great and most interesting clips of the entire year when he's in

that bunker with his caddy. His caddy kind of calls him off. You can hear them going back, bickering back and forth. That was clearly longer than 40 seconds. Yep. He ends up jumping and hits his dumbass shot right in the middle. middle of the water. Just never had a shot. Those types of things are what makes golf television awesome and you would in large part be eliminating a lot of the buildup by forcing everyone to

always be hitting. So it is man. It's just really tricky. It's also, and this has been another one of Brandl's big arguments and we have tried. Some people have been like, oh, why didn't you get Brooks Kep Khan to like debate against Bryce? You don't think we fucking try that? You don't think we wanted that to fucking have? Oh shit. We should have had Brooks on. Oh, we should. Oh, we should have I had a number one ranked player and the hottest player in golf. I knew we were missing something in that outline. That was it. Frank, he's just nodding his head.

Like, yeah, that does make sense. And when Tiger won the Masters, I was like, yo, we should get Tiger on the show and talk about it. And we actually thought that was a dumb idea. Right. We were like, no, Frank, it's a bad idea. We're having to do that. We would love to have some of these guys that are out there staunchly going against Bryson and the slow play argument on here. We're trying to percent both sides of the argument.

But another thing, you know, that Brandl has been. been arguing is that just it's it's you cannot eliminate those types of dramatic situations you cannot force them to happen in a span of 40 seconds forever because no one in the history of golf would want you to go back and take those seconds away from jack nicholas reading his put for two minutes on the 15th hole at the masters before making eagle in 86 nobody would want you to take 40 seconds off the reading of the chip the Tiger made in 2016. Those are just two examples of what I'm sure are thousands of thousands in the history of golf. And so it becomes wildly complicated.

And at the end of the day, in the professional game, slow play isn't the major issue. It's more of an issue for us. Right? Right. We hate slow play. But like when I'm watching golf on TV, how many times have you said like, God, these guys are so slow? It's ruining the thing. Never.

Because they just cut to the guy when he's ready to hit. Yeah. And they'll cut to another guy where they'll go to commercial. I'll go up and like scratch my nuts and eat some popcorn. I'm sitting on my couch. I don't care where they're going. Right. So it does like it sucks for Justin Thomas in that video.

Yeah. You know, that sucks. Like we've all been. He loses momentum, which that sucks. That stuff sucks and that's what everyone is. This is why it's the problem. There's both sides.

Right. And everyone's solution. Everyone's trying to be considerate of that. People are saying it's unfair to your playing parties and all that. But from a overall professional golf standpoint and how it ties into the viewer and all that, Brandel's right. Slow play isn't a huge problem. We,

We actually never see it and never have to deal with it. Now, it does affect the, it trickles down through the game, right? Like, it affects how amateurs play. It affects how young kids coming up in the game play because they see Bryson or J.B. Holmes, like, taking forever and going through their whole pre-shot routine and lining up their fucking line and their golf ball with every single put that they hit. That becomes the normal and trickles through the entire game

and that makes it slower for us, which sucks. But it's clearly a really fucking fucking. fucking complicated issue. Yeah, it is. And then how do you treat shots that go at 51 seconds or two minutes and 10? Are those the same? Is that the same penalty? I don't know.

And it's also a case of that they, like, had Tiger been on the green with JT, I guarantee you, and Tiger spent just as much time, missed his putt, I guarantee you Justin Thomas isn't hanging his head and, like, and going, like, the whole time, right? Like, Bryson just has this, like, this aura around him right now where guys want to, like, pin this slow play thing down on him because he is a guy that, happens to play slow right now. I mean, it just sucks for Bryson.

Yeah, but I also think it's a factor that he does it all the time. But didn't he say on the podcast that he gets in on average with like most of the guys? You don't know if those are correct. That's just what I don't know.

Right? Don't know those stats. And this is what we've been kind of counter arguing with people that have been because people are very heated about this and very heated. Bryson gets people so riled up. On both sides,

people are like, that was great. People also like, come on, man. We got both. We got both. That's why he's so polarizing. We got both.

But, you know, as we've been saying, look, like, because the coverage isn't really there, the few times it is is like PGA Tour Live and you have to get Bryson in the group and then you have to actually, you know, be able to have the right video and view the entire thing in order to know. And nobody can do that for all the shots. So you basically never see it. We just don't know. We don't know if Bryson's actually like this slow, that slow, whatever. Now, I do know that the Friday guy, Annie Johnson did at the U.S. Open.

and I believe it was JT, Kiz and Bryson that were together, right? That was like our group. And he went out and counted. He had a fucking stopwatch and he counted. And Bryson was significantly slower for the entire round than the other two guys, significantly. See, that's the information we need. That's where you can actually base actual opinions on, like, what we're going to see and what should happen. Yeah.

Because otherwise we're completely blind. I think it was a Brandel tweet. I saw a tweet that the day that this whole thing happened, and Bryson and JT's group came in one minute behind the average for the entire day. Yeah, I saw that too. And, you know, that just made me think, like, all right, like, yeah, he's taking three minutes on one hole. But, like, why are we not talking about the other 16 holes that they're just flying through? And maybe they're not because they could be held up on par three, which pretty much everybody is.

Correct. There's different situations that have that. He's also Tommy Fleetwood and JT. I think are fast players. Exactly. So if you're playing with two fast players, like, you still came in slow. take, you know, another two-thirds of time that they're not using up to your advantage if you are slow.

Now, if it's two slow players, like if it's Bryson and J.B. Holmes and any third party, then it's just going to be a slow party. It's a weird world to live in, but I sympathize at both sides. I don't know how my brain is doing that, but I feel bad sometimes for Bryson that he has to be the person that has to fight this entire thing off when he's just doing what he's allowed to do, technically. And we did make a pretty good case for the moments that in history that have been great. Correct.

With moments that took a little longer than they would if they implemented some sort of rule. And I do feel bad for JT that's sitting on the side being like this fucking guy needs to hit this put because we just need to move on because neither of us are winning this fucking tournament this weekend. And he just needs to do it. Like, you know, like he's like, I'm already in the hole. Like what is this guy doing? I don't want to get up to the next T-box. I want to hit my drive. And he's just watching this guy walk around the green.

That would infuriate me too if I was in his position. So I know both. Totally. I feel both sides. Yeah. Absolutely. And there's no malice on either side. No.

just a problem that we have not. The anti-Bricent side feels like a little bit of, painting him as being a poster child for slow play seems misguided. But I mean, somebody's got to bear the front of it. Bryson, you know, it was one of my favorite parts when we talked to Bryson is when we went through his whole process and how we were, we kind of were shedding light on why he plays so slow. He has all these fucking processes.

And they're like, what the hell does J.B. Holmes do? And he's like, I don't know. Like we know that he's not doing scientific stuff in his head So what the fuck is he doing? Like what is wrong with? Like if Bryson's plumbabs more than anyone in the history of the earth Like what is he doing out there? He's not looking at some prankler.

That guy's technically like stepping up to the ball and hitting it like Well that's what Brooke wasn't Brooks saying mentally together? He was just like doesn't even have his glove on. No, he's just not ready. He's not ready. He's not ready. He's not ready. He's out there.

You pull up to like the 17th hole with a bunch of buddies and like, you know, two cards or whatever. and the guy who's first to play is like in the cart, like lighting up a cigarette and you're like, let's go, dude. It's time to get to the team box. I just keep it moving. J.B. Holt was just staring off into the distance, kind of forgetting where he's at.

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while he was doing this. And what he did was he went on the front nine. He used a stopwatch and he clocked every shot that Bryson, Kiz, and J.T. hit on the front nine at the U.S. Open

except for Tappins from the time that he said it became clear the previous shot had ended. And he goes on it says I recorded the amount of time it took each player to hit each shot for the moment that it became clear the previous shot it ended. I also noted the order in which they played their shots within the group. To determine the exact start time for each shot, I simply used common sense. On approach shots, I started it when the previous shot had clearly ended. That is, when the previous player had picked up his T or when the preceding putt or chip had been marked, etc. So it sounds like that's all very fair. There's a lot of different numbers, but the main one... Oh, boy, I'm looking at a chart on your screen. There's colors. There's colors everywhere.

The main one is quite simple, and it is the average time per shot. Kevin Kisner, 31.4 seconds. Justin Thomas, 41.5 seconds. Bryson D. Shambos, 63.3 seconds. Okay. That's raw data. We got there. That's raw data.

That's raw data. Now, you can go through and look at... the T versus the approach versus the chip versus the put. Bryson's get crazy high when you get to chipping and putting, but he's not alone. JT's also get higher when you get two chipping and putting. But that overall number, 63 versus 31 for kids, 41 for JT. And again, this isn't even by the PGA Tours 42nd shot clock. The way this is just like he was saying, just common sense from like even when he said the player before picks up their tea.

He just started it as like it's your turn to hit. and so he kind of goes through they're all quicker but Bryson is slower on literally every single one and clearly on the average so this is one sample this is the U.S. Open this is the front nine I believe at the U.S. Open at Pebble Beach so

it's not a gigantic sample size but when you're looking at the videos you're looking at some of the comments that the other players have made you're looking at this raw data it's just Bryson is slow there's really no doubt about it now whether he's like should change that or whatever is up for debate we've

it, we've kind of argued both sides, because there are arguments on both sides. I won't even say both sides, but we've basically proven that it's just really goddamn difficult to come up with a good set of rules. I know, and there's part of me that wants to scream, who cares if he's slow for these professional golfers? It's like we just said, it doesn't make a difference for us viewers. For them to make millions of dollars, it makes not one shred of difference for us viewers. So at that point, if you're talking 20 seconds, I do not give a fuck.

That's what I want to scream. But I also am not fully on board with that. I don't know where to live right now. I don't know. I'm like confused with this with this situation. I want to say, who gives a fuck? Also, if Bryson de Chambot plays a little slower.

If the players, like every sport, a player does something different. Like, you know what I mean? Like, why can't he do it his way? I don't understand. The argument would be that it negatively affects the other players in your group, and that's illegal in golf, and therefore, like, you can't do that.

I know. I know. I know. I don't know if I've ever played with a guy. That's like saying, why would we care if a tiger stood 10 feet in front of and just to the right of you as you hit like your approach shot? Well, that's like that affects the other player. That's an extreme like things. People would argue this is extreme.

Like when you have to sit there for two minutes, two and a half minutes. That is extreme. And fucking wait for a guy to read his putt 35 times. You have to do that all day long or multiple times a day that that affects the way you play your game. and I'm trying to make millions of dollars just like you are, so go fuck yourself. That is extreme. Frankie,

so if you're playing with a buddy and all of a sudden, like on the 16th green, he's just standing still over a pot for 25 seconds, you'd lose your god. No, but he's saying that affects him clearly. But the professional doesn't affect us all because it just cuts. And it's like, I don't care.

And I know what you're saying, but in Riggs's point about the playing part. But Riggs's point about Tiger, like standing in front. Like that's something that like no one would ever, that would be new. Like, I'm still waiting for someone to hit a put at some point. Like they're still waiting for JT 41 seconds to hit putts. Yeah, but that wouldn't be like Tiger could stand behind you to the right.

Like we are used to waiting for now with Bryson, we should have to wait a little longer is what I mean, right? Like it's just a little bit like saying we're used to you standing, but now you're just standing a little bit more distracting. Like that's still like a problem. Yeah, I don't know. I feel like distractions are different than the time for some reason. I don't know.

They are, but it's still you're doing something that is a negatively affecting the people that you're playing with, in golf, which is a game of etiquette and respect and self-policing, that that is wrong. That's like illegal and wrong. Right. That is where this whole thing comes into like a golf. If everyone just played the world makes this weird. That's the only way that I can make this make sense in my head.

Is that like the golf etiquette and self-policing stuff makes this whole thing? Because like if a, if you have a rhythm and that's what you're saying is negative for Justin Thomas and the guys that are with them, it's the same thing as like a baseball player that steps into the box every single time and he has his rhythm. and when he puts the bat on his shoulder and he's ready to hit the ball, this pitcher takes a minute and a half to fucking throw the ball. That would throw him off too. But because golf is like this self-policing and like etiquette and you should do the right thing, like we're freaking the fuck out about it because it takes an extra 20 seconds.

But in baseball, like that's almost like strategic. Like I'm actually going to step off the mound. I'm going to throw to first base. I'm going to get this guy off. I'm actually going to, we're going to have a pitching coach come out and throw this guy off. It's just because golf is like kind of weird in that way is that we're freaking out that that Bryson's doing something his way.

Yeah, I mean, I would argue they're arguing about pace to play and baseball, too. They're trying to get games. They are, but no one's saying that pitchers like, you know, trying. Doing something in Malice. They're saying, oh, yeah, he is. They're also facing each other. They're like, correct. It's all.

Justin Thomas thinks that, like, is thinking that Bryson's doing this against him. He's like, what the fuck. No, I don't think that. Nobody thinks that. But, like, they're sitting there being like, he's throwing off my rhythm is what I mean. Like, he's affecting my game. So at some point, it's like almost. I think he's doing it on purpose.

He thinks that he's the way he methodically and slowly goes about it negatively affects JT. But he doesn't do it, he doesn't think he's doing it too negatively affect him. He knows he's doing it because that's his process. He's just saying your process negatively affects other people. And that's a problem. Yeah. But the difference, right, is like in baseball, you are very clearly trying to get under somebody else's skin. In golf, that's illegal.

You can't do that. Like, that's against the game. You can't do that. So, you know, it's, it's tough issue. It's really, we've talked in circle a little bit. I mean, we talk about it now for about a half hour. And I think we made some great points on both sides. And we just don't have a solution because it's a very, very complicated issue.

Somebody should figure it out. That'd be great. I don't know how they're going to. If somebody can figure it out, that'd be awesome. I think you start, just start giving out harsher stroke play penalties or stroke penalties to people who violate slow play rules to, to a very noticeable and extreme degree, which people do. You have to do that. I think more data, like the Friday guy, any more data.

Yeah, very interesting. I think the more data you deliver on that would be super interesting, super, like impactful and helpful. And I think would give the players, like we're all mentioned in the beginning where you don't know if you're a bad driver or I'm a good driver, this would actually put hard data on the fact that, like, no, you actually are quite slow when it comes to like potting

or approach shots or driving or whatever. whatever the case is, I think that data would be super interesting and maybe getting to a point where we could figure out a solution of what makes sense. I'm so little surprised Bryson actually hasn't done it himself and maybe he has. He's had like, he said that his guys are starting to collect data. Yeah, that's right. That's like how vast he gets to a ball compared to when the other guys get the ball. Yeah, that argument's tough too because like that argument is tough because of the point that we talked about earlier where it's like, yeah, but dude, nobody gives a fuck about that. That's not what negatively affects your playing partners.

What does it is when everyone's around the green, everyone's ready to go, and you take two and a half minutes. That is what sucks and negatively affects the people. What about the point that he made that he hits the ball? And if he can just go up and hit the ball by the time he gets to the green, guys technically may be still hitting their chip. So that would be up there. That would be super interesting to look at, like rounds where he's the shorter player, how their times come in versus round that he's the longer hiter. Where those rounds come in. You know what I mean?

So those would be. But interesting outliers. But in the rules of golf, you have more time if you're the first guy to hit. That's in the rule. If you're the first guy to hit after the T-shads, you have more time. Same thing on the green. You have more time. That's factored in.

Brooks Kepka is one of the biggest hitters on tour. He hits last all the time. He's one of the fastest players on tour. Yeah. I think what he meant was he can't walk up to his ball, right? He can't approach his ball and start his process because he has to wait for guys that are shorter than him to get there. Right.

He's a very fast walker, but he gets that cut off because he walks to basically a wall and can't get to his ball yet. Right, but so does Brooks Kepka. And he still is one of the fastest players. Right. I know, but I think his point, his point was that he needs more time once he gets to the ball than Brooks Kepka does.

But if you take away the rule that he's not allowed to walk to his ball first, he would now speed up his game. The process starts a little earlier. His process starts earlier. He needs that. Like, that's what he's saying. He needs that time. That's why he slower.

And I think even Kepka was tweeting being like, no, this is what Brandl tried to say too. And Kepka responded to him being like, well, no, the guy's not going to shank it. I just walk up to my ball. Nobody cares. I know Rory's not going to shake it. If it was you playing, I would have stand by your side.

Yeah. Yeah. It's pretty good back and forth. Yeah. Fuck. It's very complicated. These numbers are interesting. Bryson, again, this is just one nine-hole stretch, I believe, at Pebble Beach in the U.S.

Open, but he took, on average, 40 seconds to hit his T-shot, 57 seconds to hit his approach shot, 79 seconds to hit a chip and 78 seconds to hit a putt. Now, compare the putting to Kevin Kisner. Kevick-Kis is a very, very, very good putter. Kiz is about half the time. Actually, less than half the time. 37 seconds on average. It took Kisner to hit a put.

So it's just, you know, they're different. Very, very different. You don't have to compare, like, scores and where they were. You'd have to get, like, a season of data, and that'd be very interesting. Yeah, if he's playing poorly. Yeah. If Bryson's playing really poorly that round,

he's, like, stuck in the rough, he's trying to go around trees, figure out distances, then it only adds to that. I mean, I'm looking at JT, and he doesn't even have any appropriate. or there's some approach data missing there. So it is pretty interesting. A whole season's worth of every player on tour would be.

If they started that next year, it would be sweet because then literally in two years, maybe we could come to some sort of conclusion. But I also think it would highlight it for players of like, oh shit. Yeah, because I am taking forever over approach. Bryson would be very interested in those numbers. He'd be like, okay. So now I can actually see it that like what's wrong and what I'm doing incorrectly or what people don't like. It'd be very interesting.

I think they should start collecting that. I wonder how difficult. Like, do they have the manpower to do? that's a lot of people put a person on every single with every single group i mean there's a lot of volunteers in these tournaments i got to think they can't find a couple people yeah but you can't rely on volunteers to be giving you all this phenomenal are you kidding we run a we run a good point receded we run a golf tournament we can't rely on volunteers to do anything literally we have these like not even volunteers these temps we hire these temps so we fucking pay you can't rely on them to do

literally anything one of the thames had to get thrown out got thrown out because he was hammered drunk and gotten a fight with like two people. So maybe they hire some people. I hire a few. We hire people. They stake. My point is like, what's the solution then?

What do you do if you don't pay? You know, like a scientist. No, what I'm saying is I don't know that what you guys are asking for is possible. They have volunteers. They have volunteers to the scoring. Get guys like Friday.

Yeah, but they just go. They literally run out there and they put a flag in the ground where the ball landed. That's it. Like, I'll tell you what, the caddies at Whistling Straits wore GPS locators. We could do some of that. Get a little smarter and best in some technology to

Tractor caddies for the ball. You get five guys that you trust. And they do, they don't do everybody. They do select groups and you just sort of. And lab coats. And yeah, they got to be wearing lab coats.

Lab coats is good. Yeah. Clipboards. Breatthable lab coats. Maybe Peter Malar can make them. Yep. Lab coats. Like if Bryson looks to the right and he just sees two guys.

And those goggles get to wear in third grade. Two guys with lab coats on. He's like, oh. But then you got to think because it's like, it's like the guys who go review hotels and restaurants. Yeah. The restaurants will know when they see him to be like,

treat this guy better. if Bryson sees a guy with a fucking cliffboard I'm going to pick it up so my numbers look better Yeah I'll just play poorly in this tournament So you gotta figure out that too But at some point you gotta get numbers on it And you can be like We got the idea

To point to be like Nobody said we're a perfect execution We got the idea though We're idea guys Yeah I think it's a great idea You know some people show up to Like they'll show up to tournaments And they'll wear like the red and the black

Or they'll wear like tiger outfits How do people don't wear like the scientist outfit I think that'd be hilarious Oh I like that So I don't think that many people like him Compared to who likes Tiger. We got to make that happen. That's what I think.

I want to see it like he's Ricky Falun there. Also a scientist isn't like shorts and a t-shirt. Like a scientist is going to be hot. I want to see a group of guys at a tournament in the near future where they're wearing lab coats. Following Bryson. I want to see it. Lab coats and those like plastic guys. I want to see a group of friends that all follow Bryson.

They're like they're standing on the degree and he's reading puds and you see like six or seven guys in lab coats. Clipboard, clipboard, lab coats, yellow glasses. Glasses that have the necklace that can. kind of fall down on your chest. I know this will happen. One guy always has got a good chance. I got to tell you, if that happens, I'd be very happy. I'd be incredibly happy.

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Everybody bitches so much about how fake and corporate a lot of these professional athletes, social media accounts are. They tweet all the same thing at the exact same time or they get these cards in the PGA tour. they have to tweet out and you can't really get this like authentic candid look at them. Bryson, whether you love the guy or hate the guy or whether you think he's slow or it's not his fault no matter what you think. He's real.

He really just is like he, his raw reaction is showcasing and he admitted it on the show that like this is affecting him. Like people yelling negative shit at him today out at Medina, which clearly it had to have been a lot, affected him because he legitimately said in a video that we post. like I hear all you all. I know y'all are yelling really negative shit to me. I just want to say we're having a great fucking time. Screw the haters. I still love you even though you hate me.

Like seeing a guy acknowledge that it's affecting him to me is very refreshing. Yeah, I'll never, I'll never criticize a professional athlete for being outspoken about the way they feel when they're going through something like this because the flip side is and people get mad at professional athletes all the time. They're like, he didn't say anything. He's not saying anything. He's not being transparent enough.

Like, what's he thinking? Tell us. And then when they do to lambast them and, and criticize them, makes them crawl back into a hole, and you don't get that anymore. So a guy like Bryson should be applauded for coming on this show, for making the video like he made today and being like, hey, I'm kind of going through it right now.

And I know you guys probably hate me, but I want you to know that. I still having fun out here. And I still have a blast playing, but I still love you guys. And it's tough out here because you guys are yelling at me. No, the honesty I love. On our podcast, when he said,

what hole did you guys see him on? Was it like 13? It was 14. 14. 14. He's like, man, and when I saw you guys and I knew I was, taken a while. I'm like, man, I better stick this thing closer because if I hit, this is Bryce and D. Chambot telling us that he's thinking that if he mishits this, everyone in the crowds and be like, oh my God, you slow player, you suck.

Like he's thinking that standing over the ball. He says he doesn't think about that standing over the ball, but he said that he was thinking about that as he's taking the time, which is insane. And that's the truth because the people who say that when they get criticized that they're not thinking about it, those people are liars. Or people I block everything out. You hear that all the time. Those people are liars.

And he's just saying, no, man, like I hear it. And it sucks. And it's affecting him. You can tell him in his voice, you can tell him the way that he responds. And to me, again, whether you hate the guy, whether you believe, why do you think he's full of shit when it comes to the way he describes if he's slow or not, whatever? Dude, getting just like a raw, real reaction from the number eight ranked player in the world, who's got five PGA tour wins at a young age and who's going to be a star on the PGA tour for 20, 30 years going forward

is really, really cool and refreshing to me. And he called in at six fucking o'clock on Monday night. after finishing up 24 hours before in the shitstorm with all these media people looking for. Those controversial shit going on and go. And Frankie got the time zone wrong and he still called in right away. He called six. I'm East Coast biased. I just think everyone realized.

He's amazing. He got that wrong. He's like, I thought you, man. He's like, we're like he's in Chicago probably. He might have thought it's five. And he just hopped on right away anyway.

Didn't miss a beat. So yeah, shout out to Bryson. Totally great. But like his tone and his voice and how he was talking about like it weighs on him for sure. And he like, he doesn't want. to do the wrong thing. You want to do the right thing. You want to play his best. Love when they admit that they can hear the crowd. I think one of the coolest things

when we were at U.S. Open was when someone screamed out at Tiger, like, Happy Father's Day, and he looked, he looked up. He's like, thanks, man. Yeah, he did. I mean, he hears most of it then. That one just resonated with him, and he, like, reacted to it. So I love, like, seeing that they actually go up there and they can, they can hear you. It's very real and it's very raw. And just because Bryson's probably a really slow-ass player doesn't mean he's like a bad guy. So if you see Bryson out there at Medina this week, show him. some love. That's our guy, the mad scientist.

Maybe wear a lap coat. We'll say I got a ton of love last year at the BMW championship. It was at Aramanemic. I'm going to parade and set around. What was that? Aromanic. Aromanic. Aromeneck.

What the? Aromanic. In Pennsylvania. You said Aramimic. All right. Well, whatever. I was trying to kick it out. Can I say it again?

Aromimic. It sounds like a baltick. It's a ball like a basketball. That's the way I said it the first time. I was mimicking the double. You never said it like that ever. Aromimic. there you go

That was correct So Anyways Your lips had like rubber on them Arromatic Anyways Whatever Aromanamic

No That's the way I said it The first time You're wrong Aronamic Okay It's erronemic All right

Go ahead Anyways I got some great love From players That were in the back of the field I was doing When Phil did his whole

Like Miz and Maine thing I was doing High leg gigs On the side Outside of the ropes And nobody was following him And I was just Hucking my legs

To the top As hard as I could And it was kind of like A wet Dewey day And he goes Hey, big boy, settle down or you might hurt yourself. Phil said that to you? From like 45 yards away because I was like, hey, Phil, check these things out.

And I was just ripping them up. And my buddies were like, what the hell? And then Phil literally from across the fair where it was like, hey, big boy, settle down and you might hurt yourself. Yeah, they know things are going off. Yeah, they know what things are going on. I told Tony Feeneau. He had great ankles.

Okay. And he smiled at that because the whole thing with the master's. You're just a crazy person out there. I was just having fun. You sound just like a drunk fan. I probably had a. Double cocktails. I think security need to get involved there.

Yeah, you're like an annoying drunk fan. No, those are two comments, but it hit hard. Yeah, but if those are the two that you brought up, how many haven't you brought out? Well, no. Actually, I was three for three that day. Okay. The fact that you know and remember you're a three for three that day, you're a problem out there. No, no, no, no.

So did the thing that Phil. You're a bad thing to Phil. You might be a bad thing with that because I was hawking. I almost pulled my hammy. Then I told Tony, he gave me a big smile and thumbs up. And then I told Kevin Nag, great job at the Greenbrier last. year and he smiled because he won there. I wonder how many you didn't get responses.

No, I swear to God, it was great. Let me ask you this. How did nobody, who were you with? Nobody filmed the Phil thing? No. That was pre the show. I was just kind of hanging, having a couple beers,

walking around. You were just doing high steps for the love of the game. Nobody was following Phil. What a menace you are out there. I was just smiling. People were having a good old time. When you were high stepping on the sidelines, like a crazy person?

I wasn't high stepping. Did you ever think that you'd be like on a podcast talking to like these guys? No. Yeah, so I think that was like the disconnect there. If we, like, I mean, I think if we brought Phil in, he would smile and laugh. I was going to say, but I think he would remember. Phil and the other days of these airwaves were deathland.

Dude, there was literally no one following Phil. And then there was just this lunatic with a beer and his head, hucking his feet. My feet were probably nose high. I don't hate the move. I think it's hilarious. I'm just saying that now. All those ads were coming up. So I was just showing them that I could do it too.

Now speaking to like Bryce and you're not going to go to the next tournament and start like hucking up. your legs. Well, if Bryson, like, maybe I'd get like a, I don't know, some scientist thing out with them when we have some fun. No, I don't think you would. All right, well, maybe not. Who knows? Please don't.

But maybe we get some fun. They're all people, you know, people like to have fun. People like to smile. Maybe we could have a smile together. Phil McElson should walk really slow next to Bryson. I mean, that'd be mimicking them. I wasn't like mimicking, Phil. I guess I kind of was.

So Phil Mickelson on Twitter, he's had a big, he's had a big kind of last day or two. He's kind of, like, changed his whole Twitter, uh, M. where he's now just kind of responding to stuff and roasting people. So he, you know, there's been the whole slow play. We talked about green reading books. Bryson talked about it in detail on last show. You should go listen to have you haven't. Phil responded to people bitching about the green reading books and said the green book

allows me to do 80% of my read before I even get to the green. For anyone to say they slow up play is flat out idiotic. Let me add the countless hours and many days it saves me preparing for tournaments throughout the year. The book gets me into where I can and can't miss it And still up and down as well as best approach and into the green Without having to play multiple practice rounds Luke Donald then said

I guess I'm an idiot then One thing I don't understand here is for a green book to be effective You have to know exactly where your ball is on the green relative to the hole How can you have done 80% of your read then before you've even gotten to the green? Phil just responded to that we agree on one thing at least Hammer. Hammer. Amazing tweet from Phil.

So good. Another one, Will Gray from Golf Channel. He tweeted out, 69 guys, very nice in the field this week at BMW, and 52 of them are playing in the pro-am today. One notable absence, Phil Mickelson. Phil replied, thanks for noticing. I did a pro-am dinner last night for 100 dealers and customers instead. Huge fan of this.

Huge fan of it. I'll tell you why. Quick responder. Well, because all of his Twitter or all of his tweets leading up at this point are very very very dad and they're kind of like, hey, I'm goofy and look at my calves and I'm doing a fireside chat with the, you know, infamous Zach Johnson. But like to have, I like that he has an edge to him. Infamous. You know, infamous, super popular. His other guest was Tiger Woods. I just like that Phil has an edge on Twitter. Before that, it was kind of all like rainbows and cotton candy and it's just

like it was a lot of fun. I like that he know, people now know if you come at Phil, there's a potential he's going to be in your mentions being like, what the fuck did you say to me? Yeah, he's responding to some random golf Twitter people now. Good. Just people tweeting this or that about Phil and he's just randomly responding, kind of roasting people, kind of playing the game. Somebody tweeted out of with like the picture of him with like an American flag bandana and sunglasses on.

I was like, I imagine this is what Phil is like dressed and looking like as he's roasting people on Twitter and he just responded like, that's exactly it. And so he's kind of, you know, he's hit. He's playing the game, which we're all four. where he couldn't be more in on this Phil doing this. I will reiterate my Phil story when I roasted him on Twitter, if you recall, when we were leading up to the Tiger match. Yep.

I roasted Phil, and then he kind of came back at me a couple times. And then when I saw him, this is the only time I've ever interacted with Phil was at the Tiger Phil match. This was moments after I had our first ever interaction with Tiger. I go out and everybody that's playing in this thing gets a picture with Phil and Tiger. so it's me and my foursome and then Phil and Tiger and we're standing there we take our photo I have that photo and then as we're walking away

Phil goes like hey it's Riggs like aren't you the guy that I got into it with on Twitter and I was like what the fuck like what and just very quickly I was like oh yeah really nice to meet you I'm Riggs and we're barstool and like we cover all the golf he was like yeah I remember that was a lot of fun thanks for coming out and covering the match

and shook my hand again and was like have a good one I was like oh my God I got to be honest that makes me think he's going to see Lurch's face and be like, holy shit, were you high stepping? Me too. Me too. He remembers everything, it sounds like. It's very possible.

There's also, what I'd like to state is there was literally no one else within 50 to 75 yards of thing. And then there was just some psychopath, aka me, just kicking, kicking feet way high. Yeah, I think he's definitely going to remember. And that was at a time where he hadn't really mixed up with anyone. So I feel like that's why. You were the first. Yes. You were his first rodeo on the Twitter sphere.

Yeah. And, you know, I don't think people. people like I think I was just high enough in like clout and follower account and like one of the first people with that to be like to be negative to him right everyone else like sucks up to him trying to get retweets and stuff and I kind of like roasted him as a team tiger guy so I think that really got on his radar of like oh this social media shit it's like not all just roses like people are out here this could be kind of ruthless definitely had to be like why is this jackass getting so many likes I think that's what I really think that's a big part of barstool's appeal and in Twitter mentions is like, because we do have such a ravenous fan base that when we tweet something funny or like, or like you tweeted it, Phil, it gets a ton of likes and people like, what is going on here? And that's, and Phil obviously took note of that. And then he was like, this Riggs guy must be the real deal.

I think that's right. I think it's just, I don't think he understood any of it. But I think it went on his radar as like, something's happening here. Right. Something here is interesting. I'm trying to learn about this social media thing. I don't know exactly what it is and I'm trying to figure it all out. So I am trying to pull up.

exactly what the exchange was because I just can't remember. I think I so I said let's be friends. He said maybe. Oh, then I responded with the, uh, oh, so you're saying there's a chance gift from dumb and dumber. He said one in a million. And then I said so about the same as you beating tiger. Nice.

With the tiger fist pump. Oh. That was when I roasted him. Yeah. So I think you're right. I think that stayed on his radar. Anyways, we all love this fill. This feels perfect.

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Checkout clutter.com slash four. Tiger Woods. I don't know where we're at. this one, but he's back, says he feels, quote, way better than last week. He went on to say, unfortunately, when I made any kind of, when I make any kind of tweaks and changes to my swing, it's like a new body part is aching. Unfortunately, I can't play around the back like I used to, and unfortunately, things flare up. I was really excited about what I was doing at Liberty National.

I made nice changes and obviously didn't feel very well on Thursday. So essentially what he's saying there is my game wasn't reflective of how I feel. That was more function of my body. He said, if it's not one thing, it's another, things just pop up. That's been one of the biggest challenges coming back from last year. You saw I'm making tweaks and changes trying to play around this back and trying to be explosive and have enough rest time and training time. That's been the biggest challenge of it all.

So sounds like he played well today in the pro-am. He played nine holes. He said, I played the front nine, played well, which was nice to see, nice to feel. Took the back nine off, chipped and putted quite a bit. My body feels like definitely doesn't feel like it did on Friday. That's for sure. And then he went on to finally say, I'm trying to. to win this tournament just like anybody else in this field and trying to get to Eastlake,

trying to get to a place where a lot of things changed for me last year. Hopefully I can make that happen. So I think we're just back now. I think we're back. We'll see how he plays Thursday today for listening to this. And, you know, we'll go from there. That was a reassuring message. We're like, oh, shit, but maybe he plays really well.

I like seeing what he just said there. He seems confident. Yeah, some of it for sure. He seems happy. What do you mean some of it? Well, when he says if it's not one thing, if another things just pop up, you know, like, you're playing, it's like with bated breath a little bit. Like your own move, you know, you just don't know.

But yeah. Yeah, but we already knew that. Yeah, it just feels that way. True. That's the standard now. True. Fair. Where you're just like, all fair points.

How's the neck? You're stretching out there on the first tee. Yeah. Don't love that. Especially the way you're saying it right now and kind of looking down. That's how I feel when I watch. Yeah. I do.

When I watch Tiger Woods, I think I'm constantly kind of being like, you're all right. What's going. Okay. All right. That was a good shot. Let's move forward. Keep going. And then when he plays well, it's like, all right, we're going to be fine.

So even when he was going to win the Masters and he was playing on top of the world, I still wins every time he bends down and picks up the ball or a tee. Well, he makes you win sometimes when he goes to get it. I'm just like, please. How does he feel is right there? How is Joey not getting those things for? Yeah. No, because that's a bad look.

I don't care. Then it's past shitty. Then he looks 200 years old and he just can't move his body at all. He just points in the teeth. Yeah. It's not like a Michael Grell or Jordan Spee's situation. It's this man is 150 years old. Joey goes up, marks his ball, picks it up, cleans it off, gives it to him, puts it back down.

Just picks him up and carries him to the next fall. I'm fine with it, honestly. I'm fine with that. Some of the faces he makes when he bends over is like, oh, my God. It is sort of, Kevin Garnett. We're a WD here. Even after the whistle, Kevin Garnett, if somebody shot the ball in the other team, he would always jump up in the air and, like, grab the ball.

Because in his mind, he didn't want them to see the ball go in to get rhythm. But then you've got to think, how many of those jumps could he have saved in his career and how many more years could he have played if he hadn't done that? And I feel like that's kind of with Tiger. Maybe we start doing the little things. It'll extend his career by five years. I don't hate it. You know what I mean?

Things add up. Anything that's going to potentially extend his career, I'm in fortunate. Now, I want to say, our good friends at Fandul, if you go to fandul. If you go to Fandul. You're going to get all kinds of good stuff. You should go there. They still, even though Tiger Woods is, as we've described, he is still a 50 to 1 to win this week versus Kevin Kisner, who is successful.

65 to 1. That's just, they just know what they're doing. Kisner's healthy. Kis has been playing great, man. He's playing great. He's just got $750,000 to his charity. Things are going well for him.

He's been playing well. Hitting the ball great. He had like a top, what, 15 last week, top 20 last week. He started with a 7 under 64. He'd been playing awesome golf. He's 65 to 1 according to our good friends at fandle.com slash stool and Tiger's 50 to 1.

That being said, he's Kevin Kisner. He's Tiger Woods. It's true. If Kevin Kisner was ever fucking has better odds in Tiger Woods, we're in a bad place for our boss man. You're right. The boss man. He's Kevin Kisner. He's our guy.

I love Kiz. But once he's like at 49 to 1, we have a problem. Once the sharks look at the gambling public and say, boy, I bet they think Kevin Kisner's got a better shot than Tiger Woods, we're in trouble. Tiger Woods we're talking about, all right? I know who it is. Okay. I'm just, I wanted to just reiterate. I'm very familiar.

with Tiger Woods. Better chance to win than Kevin Kisner. You have to say it. So Kiz took us out to dinner Saturday night. This Saturday night? Yeah. Whoa. Yeah, it was great.

So he wins the, you know, he wins the MetLife matchup. And he said, hey, are you all coming out to the tournament on Saturday? Because his, so his family was in New York with him for the week. And so he said, my family's leaving Saturday morning. So I'm kind of hanging. I got some, I'm alone time Saturday night. He said, if any of y'all are coming out, for all the help for the Met life, I'll take you guys out to dinner.

Wow. Done. So Kiz finishes up and, you know, there's a massive Uber scene. Lurch and I took an Uber to the tournament, even though it's only 30 minutes away from our apartment because we were going to drink all day, of course. So we took an Uber. It's just smart. And right after he fucking Kiz is, I think 16, he birdies 16 to get to like 100 for the day.

So we're like, all right, great, great, he's going to be in a good mood. We're going to do dinner. Hopefully he'll let us hop in with him right after the round. And we don't have to deal with the Uber scene and all that. Bogie's 17. Bogies 18 right in front of us. It's this horrible, like six-foot-putt part putt on 18 misses. Storms off the green.

Me and Lurcher, are like, fuck. Now we're going to have to Uber's and take us like an hour and a half to get out of here, all this, that. So I text him. He's like, I'm getting treatment. Like, fuck, okay. And then finally, like right before we get ready to leave and go get an Uber, he goes, do you guys need a ride? I was like, yeah. He's like, all right.

So we meet him right behind the 18th green. He drags us through. We go down, hop in the car. We go to dinner, and we went to the worst dinner I've ever had my life. It was outrageous. What was so bad about it? Yeah. So place sucked.

Place sucked from every piece of the equation. We walk in, sit ourselves. Then... Was this like a highly recommended place? So I put out a tweet. I saw that. Put out a tweet. Where should we go in Jersey City?

Like one of the top responses and a bunch of people put in. I can't remember the name of the place. You remember the name of the place? I want to say South House, but I don't... South House, I think might be right. And so I just said, it would be the manager of South House. So I said, okay, like this is getting a lot of traction. Let's do it.

So we go to South House, you know, it's in kind of a plaza-type area, you know? We can't stop saying the name of this place. No, South House. You, Frankie, as a guy who just, like, has a restaurant, he's just like, that's a nightmare. So we go sit in it, we go sit in the table. South House fucking deserves it. Yes. No, we should say.

So South House, we get to South House. And then we sit ourselves, sit down. Riggs goes to get three beers from the bar. And we literally sat there for a. hour before any waitress came over to the point where I'm like turning around like waving my hand being like hello anyone like is anyone available anyone and then finally a waitress comes over us and I'm like oh sorry you know let me get you a drink so we get you know another one or whatever and then we just don't see her for the rest of the night she's gone and to the point where like

another literally we didn't let me ask an hour we didn't place an order of food at the south house for two and a half hours how agitated is barceler at this point. So we've all had a couple drinks, so he's speechless the way he is now. He's pretty much just like a mute sitting there. I was pretty good, I thought. This is a nightmare scenario for rings. Totally.

Huge nightmare. But then Kiz is like, I've got a massive tournament tomorrow. Like, this has got to pick up. And so to the point where I literally just spin around, I'm like, hello? And then a waitress comes over and she takes our order. The food sucks. Food was terrible. After all this, the food terrible.

Rich took a nibble and then nothing else. Nothing out. It was awful, dude. I also ordered a buffalo chicken sandwich. They brought me out a, like a pulled pork sandwich. And I was just like, whatever, I'll eat that. So Kiz texted me at like 7.30 Sunday morning, and he goes, I'm starving. Because no, the food was so bad.

Food sucked. Nobody ate. We just went to bed. To the point, too, where, like, the waitresses were like, I don't know what the hell they were doing. They were literally doing nothing. So I saw a security guard. I just like, hey, buddy, like, you know, what's the deal with this place? It always like, is it just sucked?

complain about this place all that time. And he's like, why? What's going on? I was like, literally, we've been here for three and a half hours and the waitress has come over to our table two and a half times. I'll call it. So yeah, it was a bad experience. So don't go to South Palestine.

If you want to compare the last time Kisner went out to dinner with you guys and I was there, it was at Borrelli's restaurant and he didn't have one thing to complain about. He walked out of there a little too full. Top-notch service. Top-notch service. Top-notch food. Top-notch atmosphere. We got to meet the owner.

The owner came over. owner's son come over yep sitting down okay yep it was an absolute delight i was embarrassed man i wanted like you know you don't get that much time with kids i was like i really wanted to have him and have a good experience with us and keep a good taste in his mouth and all that no pun intended and it was just horrible it was like laugh out it was probably the worst dinner experience i ever had ever ever dude it was insane it just like nobody came over to us and everything sucked the beers were like a little bit warm kids it was pretty it was crazy where i went back to the hostess i was like hey like somebody's going to come over here right like

there's a wait staff and she was like, yeah. And she had sat us maybe an hour before. And then we kept thinking like, are they trolling us? Because Lurch would go have that conversation with them. And then like 15 minutes to go by, it would be like, can we go up again? Like, what do we do?

Do we leave? It was terrible. So that was dinner. Kiss seems pretty laid back. Did he get agitated or no? Yeah, he was. Because he was like, I want to be in bed. Like, you know, I've got stuff to do.

You know, so he was like, I can't. He was like kind of in the mix for the tournament. Totally. He was 100% with him. Was he was seven. strokes back at that point. Yeah, and if he has a good Sunday, I mean, he gets up there and makes himself hundreds of thousands of dollars. He also for every round of golf, you know, and he tells us this.

He's like, you know, I know I joke around with all you all, and I'm pretty relaxed on the range and all that. He's like, but he does, he's like, I do a full hour of training and treatment before I even get to the course for every round. So he's like, I get my body in the right mindset. I go through all this different physical stuff so that when I arrive, I'm in like perfect physical condition to play the round. He's like, I'm like ready to go. I got all that shit to do in the morning. And here I am at this fucking pathetic South House and Jersey City place. You guys, and I can't get out of here.

I forgot one other story. The table next to us, I guess, like, I don't know when they got there, but they ordered food. They just left. So literally the waiter came up with a plate of food. It was like looking like, because he knew he was at the right table. It was like called Table 21. And nobody's there. And so he doesn't know.

Were you guys, like, complaining together? We were two tables away. this? To who? Like, Misery Loves Company? Did you guys like, did you guys give you

No, they were far enough away. And we didn't know either how long because we did see waitresses and waiters moving around the restaurant. I'm just thinking of,

but they just didn't do any. I'm thinking of those two tables just enough far apart where you can't speak to each other but you're just doing the nonverbals like, can you believe? So there's this guy.

Like the hands out, unbelievable look. Yeah. There's this guy, Ed Bassmaster. He's an old school internet guy. Like back when YouTube was a real big thing, and then we brought it back with ForPlay YouTube videos. You'll probably know about YouTube from our Forplay golf channel.

Correct. But back before we taught you about this video platform, there's this guy, Ed Bassmaster. He does the P-Sk guy. And it's like, it's such slap dick comedy to the point where it's like, most people would think it's so dumb. But I sit there all night on his Instagram and I just laugh my ass off. He dresses in this ridiculous outfit and walks up to people and just goes, and they're like, now what the fuck is your problem, bro?

And he's like, he doesn't say anything. He just goes, he just does it again in their face? He'll like look him up and down, just go, pshh. Dude, the guy's hilarious.

That's how you picture the two tables at South House that night? I could just see everyone just going, like looking at the waiter, like, there might have been 200, pshh, thrown out that night.

Ed, Matt Spaser walked up and down, walked up and down a gym one time, and this guy was lifting weights, and Ed Bassmaster just stares just stares right in his face and just goes and the guy dropped the weights

he goes, do you want to fight me? Do you want to fucking fight me? You want to fight me right now? I'll fucking fight you. I'm going to watch that when I get home right. That's good stuff. Man, that is good stuff. All right.

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Caddy Hall fame and honor offered by. the Western Golf Association, which operates this week's PGA Tour event outside of Chicago. Pass honorlies include Bruce Edwards, Mike Fluff Cowan, Steve Williams, Fannie Sennyson, all kinds of good names, and now obviously Joe Lekava. He spent nearly three decades inside the ropes on the PGA Tour, Caddain for a group that includes Freddie Couples, Davis Love the Third, Justin Leonard, Dustin Johnson, and obviously Tiger Woods. look, Joey will forever be an absolute American hero to the four-play golf podcast. He is the reason that we had that little interaction with Tiger at the U.S. Open where we slapped them and said, how about the masters? And then he responded and said, how about that shit, huh?

Amazing. And where he just totally pretzled Trent's brain by asking him where he was stationed. I mean, Frankie didn't say a word if we're throwing people out of the best. I tried to talk about the basketball game and I didn't have enough behind my voice and then someone. Tough moment. Who was the one that stole it from me? I did. What did you say?

I didn't steal from you. I helped you out. You were like, who do you like tonight? Yeah. Who do you like tonight? Tiger is like, my diaphragm.

Tigers are you walking away? I was like, who do you like tonight? And he said, not my Lakers. And that was it. I wish I would have gotten that out. Yeah.

Was that on the leave? That was on the departure. Yeah, he goes, time to watch basketball. Time to watch basketball. You know, he said, no, he said, so treks. So, Festival time.

He said twice. He nervously said it twice. He was basketball time, basketball time. My brain was so pretzel in that moment. What do you like tonight? When he said basketball time, my first insurrection was he's going to play basketball right now. And luckily, Frankie whispered, who do you like tonight?

Who do you like tonight? And I grabbed it and recovered and said, who do you like tonight? And he smiled and said, not my liquor. Self credit right now. Oh, no, he didn't take it from me. I didn't get it. Because otherwise it's a silent beat and Frankie's trying to do it. And Tiger's turning away.

Because here's the thing, Lurch. There was a moment in which I think the whole group realized that it was my turn to say something. And I, so like there was silence for a second. And I was like, who do you like tonight? And I just couldn't get it out because I was so starstruck, man. I was like, who do you like tonight? Who do you like tonight? Trent was a hero that.

So that's a big regroup. Yeah, he filled that. That's not known. That's kind of like ICE was being caught on camera. You got caught on camera. You got caught on camera. You got hoax. Yeah. It was, yeah.

And it was a great, you know, recovery after the station. Yeah, that's huge. So it all worked out. I didn't steal from Frankie. We were all kind of struggling. We play off one another. Yeah. We're here to hell.

And there is the very beginning of that video, which I tweeted out. If you go look at the replies to that one, I tweeted out the part that we cut where Tiger, Robbie Mac and Joey La Cava are standing there. Tiger's clearly finishing his session. He's walking away. Joe La Cava slaps him on the arm, looks over, points over at us. It goes, hey, your boys are over there. Something along those lines.

And that just directs Tiger's attention to us. He walks over and says, what's up. So Joe La Cava is the absolute. But, man, Joey also, I have to tell this story that last week at Liberty National, you know, I, Joey La Covell and I communicate, we email with each other. And, you know, Joey is, he's not, he's a classic like dad. He's not a huge technology guy. So I'll email him and he could respond at any time.

He could respond within an hour. He could respond in like two and a half months, literally. And so when it was announced that they were going to play at Liberty National, I shot Joe La Covem an email. So, hey, Joey, congratulations a great year so far. It was great running into you at Penn. I saw you guys are going to be out at Liberty National. Good luck in the playoffs. We'll be out there.

I'll hope to see out there. He doesn't respond to the email for like two and a half weeks. He responds right after Thursday's round. And all it says is, where are you? Yeah. And I'm in the fucking office. You turned around and panicked. I threw my headphones off.

Turned around. I looked to you guys and said, I just got an email from Joe La Covellad. I'd say, where are you? Sitting in my office. Yeah. To be fair, though, and we've talked about this on radio. and Dave made this point, you were in no shape to see Tiger Woods that day.

That was the day after my surgery. Yeah. Yeah, but I could have been outside and just worn sunglasses. True. But what? Like, but you never know,

Riggs. Like, let's say it's, like, the best scenario in the world. You go up, Joey's like, where are you guys at?

And you have these, this bloody eye. And like, that thing was scary the day, the day after, right? Like, big time. Real scary, man.

And Joey's like, hey, Riggs, like, come on, you know what? Come over here on the other side of ropes. Like, we just finish up our round. Why don't you come inside and let's go grab some lunch,

Tiger's inside. And you're like, holy shit, you walk inside this fucking clubbass of Liberty National. You got to take your sunglasses up. You sit down and you look at Tiger Woods. It's over, bro.

You don't think I could just say, I had eye surgery. I don't think you could say, I had eye surgery. Do you mind if I keep the shades of the light? You just pretend like there are patches over your eyes. Dude, it was so bad.

Like, you look fine now. It's actually really going away. It's going away. The day after, it was like, you could have gotten a ticket from the police just from taking your glasses off.

You should have seen when he walked into our apartment that night. I had a major surgery. I feel he has being mean right now. It's not being mean. It was so red. It was so red. Yeah, they cut it open hours before.

And I'm not saying that you were supposed to like not have right eyes. I'm just saying it's not, that's not the best like way to see Tiger Woods. You're right. I think we kind of like dodged a bullet there. So. And he ended up fucking. Luckily,

he withdrew. So you didn't have to worry about it. Imagine if I had showed up, there'd been a video of me, like, interacting with him, and then he withdraws like an hour later. Tiger Woods, nightmares. Withdraws right after I had. Night tears pulled something in his back. Anyways, shout out to Joe La Cava.

Congrats, Joe La Cava. You're the man. We will see you out there. Well deserve, well deserved. The last thing that we're going to talk about is something that's really gained a lot of steam. A lot of people commenting about this. A lot of people want to see this. And it stems from yesterday, or was it, yeah, it was last night,

Justin Thomas posts videos of his lefty swing, Ricky Fowler's lefty swing, and Jordan Spee's lefty swing. Everybody goes crazy for it. We watched Bryson hit lefty right in front of us. He did it kind of showing off. Took my club. Took your club and just ripped a couple shots right in front of your face. It was amazing.

He hit like a 15, his divot went like 15 feet straight up in the air, and he hit a 56 degree like 110 yards. while with really like making eye contact with me the whole time he's like this is how you have to do it bang smacked it roasted it now these three guys JT included post their their videos their swings all left-handed and some pretty good action in their JT's is I thought look really solid

Ricky's look good speeds was terrible his second one was much better anyways a lot of people were like I want to see if JT lefty could beat Frankie who is our lefty 100% now this has gotten on to our good friend Justin Thomas's radar. I was texting with him throughout the day about this kind of match.

He is, I think, pretty damn interested in seeing how he could do. He's kind of got the lefty bug of like, can I actually play golf left-handed? So we've been debating it in the office of if Justin Thomas and Frankie Borelli played a match both left-handed against each other in golf, could J.T. beat Frankie? J.T. beat you. I say no. No way he beats him. Well, then what's the bet? I say that I absolutely beat Justin Thomas left.

The logic behind him not beating Frankie is that you got to think, and we don't know, they haven't done a full round yet. We don't know like a baseline number like this is my starting point, but you got to think he's not going to break 100. Frankie right now, he said he shoots in the mid 80s pretty consistently. So if they play like that, I have a lot of confidence that Frankie can be JT. Now, if they, if JT practices a lot, he sort of gets obsessed. with this idea and we had a conversation about it a little bit like if we do a video with him with this challenge JT is going to prepare like a motherfucker because he will not put himself in a position to be embarrassed.

Correct. No. He's a professional golfer. He's not going to go out there and embarrass himself. I will say. So pulling up my handicap app, my last couple rounds, 85, 84, 888, 81, 81, 85. That's better than I remember. Okay.

So that's like when I've been. Like when I got back from that trip from California playing, you know, Smithtown, Landy Morris County, Cherry Valley, Cherry Valley, Mill River. But I'm just saying, like, course that I, like, are around me and like my style of golf. I wasn't playing. Dude, like, Chambers Bay, I sucked. Like, I just hadn't played golf. Like, Aldera was, like, one of my first rounds of the year.

Like, I just wasn't playing well. Shooting 97's 98. If I play like this with an 8.1 handicap, I will absolutely dust Justin Thomas. Now, here's a factor that you have to put in. He's on the tee. You're going to be nervous for a lot of reasons. One, it's just you're going to be nervous. It's going to be filmed.

It's a big video. It'll get a lot of attention. Two, you're standing on that fucking tea with Justin Thomas. That's the biggest thing. I'm never going to deny. He will get in my head. I'm not denying that. I will be rattled.

I get rattled. I'm a punching bag for professional golfers. We talked about that with Bryson. That is why I am here is for them to look at me and laugh. So when I get on that tee box and Justin Thomas, one of the best golfers in the universe is standing on the tea in a competition to beat me, I will be a shriveled up little pepperoni noodle. I think it's something that you know, you're staying next to Justin Thomas.

I know I'm supposed to be it. You are supposed to win because you play golf like I did. And you know millions of people are going to watch this. I'm supposed to beat the professional golf. What a scenario. I think whoever wins that first hole wins the match. He wins the first hole. He goes up one.

You fall apart completely. Here's the thing is I don't think that he, I saw the video, and unless he's sandbagging or if he's like hustling and putting on that he really is never, like, if he is like ambidecturist and his fucking unreal lefty, like I just can't see him like roasting a ball 250 yards off the tee, like hitting five iron. So it's the same thing with like Kisner.

It's so much worse than like Kisner hit playing you in the five iron. Like I can't see him even. There's shots that I just like opposite hand you just can't hit. Like I was saying before, imagine him just like, what is he going to open face like flop shot over a bunker like with a 56 degree wedge? He's never done it. Are you? Yeah. But like I know how to play golf lefty.

I've done. So I do. Like I have a better chance of doing that than him by a mile unless he's hustling. Senior short game. Yeah. Maybe I picked the wrong club. I think he's going to beat you. It's so funny.

He's going to beat me. Yeah. I don't think he breaks 100. I think he shoots like a 91. You fizzled to a 94. Oh, wow. I think if JT. shot of 91, it would be

stunning. It would be immaculate watching him go around. Because he's not one of these guys who plays lefty golf. Like he was saying, so he basically told me he thinks he would have, like right now, if he went out tomorrow, he thinks it would be a struggle to break 100. He would need like a miracle to break 100.

Now, I also think that he thinks if he gets pretty into this lefty thing and takes it pretty seriously, that he could get down close enough to your level that his confidence inside the ropes, being on camera, playing golf for a lot of people, and not having the pressure that he's supposed to win against you who he thinks, you know. I will shrivel.

Right. I will shrivel. 100%. But I'm pretty confident. I don't know who I'm taking that. I'm pretty confident in this and the fact that I don't hit many. Like if I hit a shank here or there, like that's where I don't score on the hole. And I do shank like here and there around the green.

He's going to shank all day. There's going to be times where I drill. Like off the tee, I'm pretty fucking nails, man. Like I get the ball out there. So, like, it may take him. two or three strokes just to get to where I'm at. I just think, like, you'll hit it better than he will. I think he'll score better than you.

Yeah. Because he just knows golf. These guys just, like, I don't know how that. Right. I don't know how. That's such an intangible around the greens. That's right. That's,

nails on the green. And I think his putting will be pretty similar. Oh, his putting will be perfect. Right. Like, he'll make a lot of plus. He knows how to read a green. Right. Correct.

He knows how to read a green and, like, start a ball online. He just knows how to do that. Like, I should be able to make pars and bogies, and I just don't think he can keep up with that pace. I should be able to play bogey worse golf. I should be able to make it on to a green. You should. But like that's my game.

I can get on a green. On the T-box right next to you and you go down one after the first hole, like you're pathetic. You're going to fall completely apart and you're going to wonder how this is happening for the next 17 holes and you're going to lose four and three. Lurch to make a lot of strong points there. I'm torn, man. I think you're a big favorite. I really do.

I think you'll win. But I think if I'm not. then I should never play golf again. In two silos, I take you. Like if it's just into like two vacuums, you play around, he plays around there, but you never really cross-pass. I think you win. I think the fact that you're together on the same T-box.

So nerve-wracking. You're just going to fall apart. Because he, so here's the biggest thing in my brain is that a- I love how you already have things in your brain that are stopping you from accomplishing your goal. One of the best golfers in the world is watching me play my game of golf. Your normal game. I'm trying to play to the best of my ability.

He's watching that. And that is going to rattle me. Like, yeah, he's going to hit bad shots, but everyone's like, well, he's just playing lefty. He's playing with his off. When I hit a bad shot, you're like, Frankie, that sucked. I mean, that was really bad. No matter how he plays. Well, here comes, here's a question.

Like, if there wasn't even a match and you were just playing around to shoot your best score, and Justin Thomas was just there, how many strokes does it add to your round? I think it adds. Great question. I think it adds a stroke a hole. I was going to say 15. I was going to say 15. I mean, I was like, how does it not?

So instantly right there, you go from an 80 to 100. You're in 100 right now. So that makes it very interesting. I was going to say like maybe six or nine. No, realistically, a can't end stroke a hole. Like, I would just get used to it because I mean, like, I was nervous around Kevin Chapel and like after the first team, like, after realize, well, he was also on my side because he wasn't playing and he was trying to be a good host.

Your nervous at Beth page didn't help. But like, well, I made a par there. Yeah, but when all the people left. Correct. When the people were there. The people follow it would have been a nightmare. I think it'll wear off too. I think after a handful of holes, you get comfortable.

Right, because like you just get comfortable. What if in that same case, yes, he gets more comfortable, but now he's down three through six. Is he comfortable? No, because Justin Thomas to roast the ball lefty. Right. Just expecting him to beat you. His swing was good, but I even think, like he's told Rakes,

like it would be a struggle right now for him to break 100. Casual $100 bet? I take JT. You have yourself? Oh, yeah. Done. I mean, I'll take that easily. Yeah, and we'll have to come up with something for JT.

You know, I, it'll be, I don't, I think JT would have to play it. Like, he shouldn't have any interaction with you until the first T. So there's no time for it to wear off, right? Like if we meet an hour and a half before we have lunch and then we're hitting balls together and you're shooting the shit, then you guys like, don't tell me. Like, if I just show up to the first T and you know, you guys like, you're up and I'm looking around, like, is this thing going to happen? Like, don't worry, it's going to happen. And right before I tee it up, he just walks onto the debug.

I think that's how it's got to be. I agree. Yeah. I think that, yes. That's the worst thing. You like Doug Hook one? He's like, that's your swing.

He's watching me play as much as I could just make one comment like you do something weird at the top of your swing. Yeah. It makes the, you lose like 30 yards on your distance. By the way, that's, Kiz told me that he's been talking to his swing coach and he already knows exactly how

he's going to make me collapse in our five iron match. Because he's like, I'm just going to talk to you about your swing. When he's going. That's what, that's what. That's what JT, I'm worried, we'll do to you. If I get, like, if I can go out and play around, like,

if that's not my first round of golf in months or something like that, if I'm playing leading up to it, I'll absolutely dust, Justin Thomas. You should get those horse bliners, you know how on thoroughbredd, they put those blinders. You should get a pair of those. I mean, you guys know I'm a headcase. Oh, buddy. You don't even realize how much of a headcase you are.

Yeah, you don't. That's a good point. You think you're a headcase, but everybody knows you're a crazy headcase. Because the thing that you're freaking out about, you're like, this is what everyone should be freaking out about. There's no way I lose that match. It can't. You can't lose. Oh, there's a way.

I mean. I mean, you're going to lose. I think he loses it. I don't win it. If he, let me ask you this. If he bogeys every single hole, do you win the match? Good question. So it shoots like a, he would shoot 90, 90, yeah.

But he would do it with like, he's in every hole. There's no. He shoots a 90. There's a chance I lose. Like, if I just have a bad day, I can, I mean, there was, in my score. I've shot 92, 93. I think if he... Riggs is saying because you're going to go like four, six, five...

I think if he can shoot something under 95, I think we have a really good match. Because I think some of his holes will be horrible. Yes. Like I think sometimes he'll be out of the hole immediately. Yeah, he'll just hit one sideways off the team. So bad. Like he'll, like, miss the ball, like way huge slice, way out of Bob.

Yeah, also probably putt everything around the greens. And he'll just get down, up and down from everywhere. Yeah, bet he's a lights out putter, man. I bet he's pretty good at chipping, too. Yeah. I think he is. It's a simple motion. The closer you get, he's just going to get the ball on the hole.

Right. So he just has a fine way to get that ball up near the green. He advances the ball with ease. I'm in trouble. He showed a drive. There was something on social media not too long ago where he drove the ball and he actually hit like a 240 or 50th or drop. Frankie's right.

I mean, I'll pull it up. Oh, man. That would be very interesting. Well, we got to make this happen. We have to. And Frankie, just like you're caddy for me for Whitney, I will caddy for you. do the like i wonder if the listeners think like what they think they're gonna let us know i guarantee you think that i can beat just and thomas left yeah they

have to no i would say it's it's likely that they're gonna be say that you can't i have to be minus 400 in this interesting i just it's impossible that i would love to watch him play one whole first and just have any idea because like he hit into a fucking screen like we just like you were saying it like you're saying like there's rumors are like fills like a scratch golf or righty like Phil is like a scratch golf we're watching Justin Thomas hit a drive left me just rips this thing I mean he rips it let me see I mean he absolutely rips it down the middle

let me see this ball so we're passing it here all right here we go I saw this thing oh shit carry swing dear you roasted carries two carry 201 yep that's your trouble goes out to 238 240 and that was just one swing yeah it's just one swing a little like baby cut I mean you're to lose by a thousand. Dude, he stings this thing down the green.

That rattled, you just added five strokes right there. That rattled me. Now, I don't know how this is going to go. That was a really good shot. I thought you were a big favorite, but that is problematic, my friend. My good friend. He's also got that kind of like steep action in his one from last night. I mean, his swing lefty, he can like scull.

that thing to be a threat out there. I mean, bottom line, got to make it happen. 100%. We're watching that we're watching. We're watching $100. So we're watching JTs from last night. Clubs in a great position at the top. His rotation through the ball isn't phenomenal,

but his positioning and all that is good. Like that swing will get that ball in play. Like that swing with the swing that we just watched the driver swing, boy, oh boy, we could be looking at a low 90 score, folks. You know? Right. Totally. And then we've got a ball game.

I also think like he's so good when he says, I'm going to struggle to break 100. He doesn't even know what 100 could potentially feel like because he shoots his lowest or highest round in the last six months is probably 76. Right. You know, 100 of him is like, you're the worst person in the world. So I think that number he's overstating already. I mean, I think he's going to shoot. He's going to, he's going to shoot in 91, no problem.

It's ballsy for you to say that he's overestimating his own lefty game as a guy. who literally is one of the best players in the world. Like he knows more about golf than he... No, I know, but I'm just saying... By a bazillion miles. Yes, but I think he's so good... How are you better at estimating his game than you are? I just think he's overstating it.

Because I think... But, like... That's crazy town. Like, 100 to us... He thinks he's accurately stating it, and he knows a lot more about golf and his lefty game than you do. 100 to us is much closer to our actual score when we usually shoot. He watches people shoot 100 every week.

He plays in pro-ams every week. He sees people who are horrible at golf every week. We disagree. But he knows his game more. It's his game. I'm rattled. He hasn't played 18 holes. We're both estimating.

I think I still beat him. After watching the video, it's a little shocking how well he hit that ball. It's tough because you have a lot more to lose. I have everything to lose. Right. Because Frankie wins. JT. is going to be like, well, I'm ready.

So I play the golf right-hitted. So that's why I lost. And if I like, let's say he shoots 110 and I shoot like a 98, I look like a fucking idiot. Yeah, I beat him. I played like shit, like on video and everything. That's true. I have to actually play really well. That's true.

I have to play well. It's basically just videotaping my round of golf. You have to. Yeah. Fuck. All right. So keep your... That's on the calendar.

Well, we'll get it on the calendar. It's not, but keep... You know, we're... It's just not on the calendar. Yeah, we're going to try to get on the calendar. I think JT's going to have to deal with this, like how kids has to deal with, hey, can you beat Riggs or the 5-iron? You think people are going to be like, you're going to crush Frankie Lefty?

And he's going to be like, absolutely. Dude, Dewey was like, Dewey was like, it's gotten so bad rigs. He's like, kids will be 40 yards out. He hit a sick little pitch to like a foot and never would be like, was that a five iron, Dewey? No, you fucking idiots.

It was a wedge. Oh, boy. But I think JT's going to hear about it. JT's going to be like stepping over a shot. So he was going to be like, hit it. He'll let's see it against Frankie. Shut the fuck up.

Just shut the hell up, man. But yeah, we're going to try to get that one. It would be awesome. We're going to try to get that one on the calendar. That would be a great match. If we can get the Kisner 5-iron match, which we are, it's pretty much done deal. And we were to get that left to. That would be a couple really nice matches for the boys to have to look forward to.

That's all I got. Everybody, please enjoy the BMW. We will be. We're leaving the day that you're listening to this podcast. We are going to Chicago. We got the Barstool Classic Friday at Harborside International. Great venue. Then we are going up to Aaron Hills.

We will be there on Saturday. Frankie and Trent Daddy have never. been there. Can't wait. Very excited. And I have. We're very pumped for another shot at that place. The Drumlin is open, which is their lit up putting course now.

That's like right out in front of the clubhouse. That looks amazing. So we're going to hit that thing. Then I'm going straight to Boston. We've got the Barstool Classic Boston stop at Granite Links on Monday, my old stopping grounds. And then we've got the finale, the following Monday at Pound Ridge, just north of the city in New York. And that'll be it.

And then we've got the championship October 15th. at Liberty National. So a lot of big things happen. And everybody enjoy your weekends. Enjoy the golf. Go Tiger. Go Kiz. Go lefty JT.

Go all of our guys. Hit it hard. Hit it hard. Hit it hard. Hit it hard. Then hit it left because I'm going to beat you. Nice. Just passed why you say that.