Fore Play - Frankie Darkness

Episode Date: January 28, 2021

Every topic takes a dark turn when Frankie speaks. Just one of those days, one of those shows. We take several From The Galleries including: Is Kiz a top 500 golfer of all time? Is it acceptable to go play bucket list courses by yourself? Why haven’t we sponsored a PGA Tour pro? This and much more. It’s an interesting one!You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

Hey, 4Play listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. I get real slipped up because I never know on the outline that I send if I should put the date as the date the podcast is going out or the date that we're recording the podcast. And I kind of mix it up. And I've tried this year one of my New Year's resolutions, which seems incredibly small in scale. is to be consistently putting the date of the podcast as the date that it goes out. So this show, even though we're speaking on January 27th to one another via Zoom, this show will be airing and is currently airing in your eardrums on January 28, 2021.

It's Torrey Pines. It's Farmers Insurance Week, U.S. Open Course this year. So there's a little bit added kind of extra interest in what goes on, yet also there's some loss interest because of one Eldrick Tiger giant Dick Woods is not in the field. He had his fifth back surgery. So he's not playing this week. He's not playing next week. Hopefully he's completely fine.

But it's still Tori Pines. It's really the first, in my opinion, the first real test of golf weekend of the year. We're like the Hawaii swing is kind of a joke. Like it's fun. It's Capulua. It's why like, ah, we're a. There's people in fucking canoes and there's Davis Love is out there fishing and that guy's swinging his paddle trying to do shadow swing. It's kind of a joke.

And then they go to PGA West where they shoot, you know, 27 million under par and it's kind of, again, fun and there's beautiful views. Tori is a U.S. Open venue type golf course. It kicks people right in their fucking teeth. So I feel like Tori Pines Farmer's Insurance is the first real test of the year. So it's a big week. We heard a little bit about it from Pat Perez. but we're going to have a hardcore from the gallery show this week. We got a bunch that we build up.

I've said many times, like, oh, yeah, we're going to do some from the galleries. And then we blabber on with one another for fucking two and a half hours. We never get to them. So we got a lot to get to you. But gentlemen, how are we? Lurch has his dad-bodd classic shirt on, which I like because that's coming up in March. I've got my two cents to put in about the farmer's insurance.

So everyone perk your ears up. You know when Frankie starts talking real golf. lingo you want to get in on it. It should be interesting. No, but we were out there at Tori to start filming for Behind the Greens and we talked to the crew out there. It was kind of like a skeleton crew right after Christmas and they were kind of getting ready for the farmers insurance. It wasn't the U.S. Open crew, but the super there and the assistance and everything, basically what we found out is that this golf course is extremely similar to what they're going to be playing during the U.S. Open to the point where I was like,

oh, like when we film this like behind the greens thing, like it's going to be awesome to show like the difference in like rough and like how thin you guys make, how skinny you guys make the fairways. He's like, not like, not much is going to change. He's like,

we're going to do a lot of stuff like that a lot of people aren't going to notice on TV and like we're going to show that in behind the greens. But like, I mean, that fucking rough's going to be nasty out there. And those, that golf course is going to play really, really long and the greens are going to be really,

really hard. Like the farmer's insurance is no fucking joke. It's absolutely no joke. You can kind of get that feel. from the Super being like we got to get through this first one before we started thinking about the U.S. Open because like this golf course is ready to roll right now for this tournament. It is. Yeah.

I mean, it can't be too far away from U.S. to open conditions. I mean like it obviously it's a little bit different, but I think the fact that, you know, they like, yeah, the players in the Hawaii, why seems like preseason, even though it's very much official. If you win, obviously it's official. But it feels like one of the best starts to any. professional sport, I think, is golf. They start in Hawaii, life's good, everybody's happy.

Feels like a bit of a racket almost. Like they're like, we want our season to start in Hawaii. That's where we're going to start. Because it's just, you're right. It does feel preseason, although they're official events, but they're like, yeah, yeah, it'd be great if we could just start in Hawaii because it's the most beautiful place in the world. Doesn't college basketball do that with like the, they go to like Atlantis?

And they like just like play the tournaments. There's a, yeah, there's like a bunch of tournaments all in great spots. Yeah, it's like, let's right. It's like a Maui kickoff. Yeah, it's a kickoff is like at Atlanta. It's at fucking Maui. It's those kids have a fucking have it nice to start the college basketball season. Then they go to fucking St. Bonav, whatever Bonavir, the Bonnys play like Ford of

and all of a sudden you're back to there's like shitty fucking little college stadiums. I will say, I guess kind of every sport does that. Baseball always goes down south. Like in college, you always hear like baseball going to some suit. Yeah, hockey. you're just always in some miserable cold location to get started. So I was thinking about that they did imagine getting like guys got traded. Like they got Pierre-Luc Dubois went from Columbus to like Winnipeg.

It's like, dude, you got to go to the frozen tundra and go play this sport. I mean, like Columbus wasn't that great either. But like, I mean, whatever. No. It's still like it's okay. But fuck, man. That's bad. I remember talking to Kevin Hayes.

Kevin Hayes was like, it was tough up there. When he got traded there for just a couple months, like it's. That's a tough scene. When people talk about being a professional golfer is the greatest job you can have, the best sport, like they just go to the most beautiful places in the world every week. And I get, Kiz came on here and he did his whole thing about how he chirps his buddy.

You couldn't live a day. And by day two or three, the guy quit was like, I'm going home. I get that it's harder than it looks. But if you had to pick a professional sport, you're talking like, dude,

if you play, you know, if you play in the NHL and your grind is like, practice, doing bag skates, like doing three on three down low grinding drills. And you got to like go beat the shit out of each other. And football is even worse where it's weights like two a days. It's there out there. They're doing these cleans and these bench and all this criss squats.

And like golfers are just in fucking Hawaii and like pebble. And they're playing golf. And I, again, I get how tough it is. I want to absolutely murder and rip somebody's throat out. probably 90% of the time I play golf because it's so difficult and frustrating. But at the end of the day, like their version of signing a contract and living in Edmonton for five years or in fucking Columbus or whatever is like you travel around, pick your tournaments and play golf at the most beautiful places in the world.

It's a pretty good gig. It's one of the reasons people hate us because we're not professional golfers and we still get to go to these beautiful places and play golf. It's so true. Very much. So I looked it up. The 2008 U.S. Open at Torrey Pines was played as well, same format as this year. They did the farmer's insurance earlier in the year.

The U.S. Open in 2008, which Tiger Woods won, big fan of the – well, we're big fans of his. I'm not sure he's a big fan of the program, but we're big fans of his. Tiger Woods won that. He went into a playoff with Brocko Media. They were both won under par when they went into that. What do you think the winning, score was at Torrey Pines at the farmer's insurance that same year.

I hate the way you say insurance, but you've always had a problem. You've always had a problem with that. Insurance. Back to the Barstle radio days. Insurance. We had, no, it's just insurance. Insurance. They're insuring you of something.

You put, you put the emphasis on the end. They are insuring you that you are going to be okay. It's insurance. There you go. I mean, I'm not the one to talk, but that one always gets me. Can you slow it down, no, rigs? Or you just have to rip it out. Can you slow it out?

No, I'm doing it in my head right now. If I go slow. I'm not overstepped my battery, right? You guys think it's weird. That's not like a New York dialect problem, right? Like, he was saying that incorrectly. I think so, but Trent would be the one to decide. Yeah, I say insurance.

Okay. Yeah, that's right. Dude, on Barstool Radio, we had some sort of company that he would always say, like, like insurance like Dave would always go what Riggs goes insurance I go

yeah I go yeah he slows down he emphasizes Farmer's insurance so he has to speed farmer insurance

exactly fuck I just not just not sure Oh oh shout out of Eric and Ardeni shout out of Eric and Ardina is right

what a fucking legend she is uh now that you say that I'm going to say 10 under. Something like... Yeah, I'm going to assume that I'm wrong about everything I just said. Now I feel like it's 21. Yeah. Well, Tiger Woods won that as well, and he was 19 under par.

Yeah. Wow. Jesus. Which is weird. Like, I'm not saying that you're wrong because they could have had a whole different philosophy that year. Crew superintendent, turf crew, whatever. But, and Tiger did win by eight shots there. So, like, next best was 11 under.

it's that's still pretty tough on the PGA tour i mean we're looking at guys you know to finish in the top five this last week you were like 22 under bar whatever the hell it was and so it clearly plays tough on a on a year in year out basis but Tiger Woods won the tournament at 19 under and then you know six months later won the u.s open at one under which is outrageous that's that's pretty good goes and they also should factor in they do one round at the north course, but I don't think the north course plays crazy easier. Like, it plays easier, I think, but it doesn't play. I don't think it plays like five shots easier.

I think it plays a little bit easier. Do you know if the weather was the same? I mean, because if not, this is, they've just, they changed the golf course. I don't know any of that information. I didn't know if you did either. Well, I don't, but what I would say is generally in California, it's pretty similar all year round. Like there's, in terms of like temperature.

Yeah, the consistency. Yeah, I agree with that. It feels like when you talk to someone in San Diego, it's 65 and sunny. And like it's just like why even asked the question. Yeah. But we did just talk to Perez the other night. And it looked like there was a hurricane coming through. So I feel like the bad is really bad there.

And so I didn't know during the open. But I remember that. I mean, certainly with Rocco, like the final round and the highlights that you see, it feels like it was nice weather too from what I remember so I don't think that would have slowed them down at the open. True. Perfect plug to just watch the behind the greens and see what they do to change from the Farmers Insurance of the U.S. Open, you know?

Perfect plug. Yeah, it's on, Frankie. I can't believe how smoothly you guys say insurance. Like, I just don't. Farmers insurance, man. I'm just going to say farmers. Can I just say farmers? Farmers.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you can say farmers. That's fine. I think we prefer it. I think that's just the better part to go. I'm going to say farmers. So we were extremely impressed with Torrey Pines.

I don't think we really talked about it for whatever reason, but when we were there a month or so ago, three weeks ago, we walked onto the property. Beth Page is our farm, is our Tori Pines, right? Like, Beth Page is the people's course of the New York tri-state area, Long Island. It's iconic. It's got U.S. Open pedigree.

It's got PGA Championship pedigree. They're having a Rider Cup there. It's extremely difficult. It's got the sign. Torrey Pines is the Bat Page Black the People's Course of sort of, you know, Southern California. But I still think that we didn't, I hadn't fully grasped how just visually stunning it is, not even just a.

handful of holes, but from the minute, like the parking lot, you can see the fucking ocean and like almost the cliffs and you have like a cliffside view almost it feels like from the parking lot. And there's all these, you know, there's like 30 people putting around on the putting marine that I think we're just up there for free because it's the people's course. So it had such a cool vibe of there was even like some chain link fence, which I think for all of us that grew up playing public golf and like Munich golf, anytime you see some chain link fence, you're like, oh yeah, that's kind of my property. And then you put that on the cliffs of Southern California at a U.S. Open venue.

It was just really, really cool to see Torrey Pines. And I think we were all a little bit blown away from it. Lurch and I had a nice little date out there. I didn't know if you want to bring it up. But, I mean, we had a fantastic couple hours together in a golf car. We got a meal. And we tucked ourselves away from the golf course, but still on the property of Tori. And we're just overlooking the cliffs.

Trent, I think, had maybe a soup, you had a delicious tomato soup, and I had a chicken panini. And the two of us just sat back and enjoyed the sunset. And we're kind of amazed at the property, do you say? Like, we were on the north course and we drove to the south course, or maybe vice versa.

And then we found another little area where, again, we were overlooking the par three down the hill that usually plays with like 240 yards. It's a brutal part three. but yeah the course is incredible and when you compare it to you know what we have on the east coast it's just incomparable i mean there's nothing like when you think about that versus that beth page and just the parking lot experience and what you see i mean what the hell are we doing out here in long island in new jersey almost let's not shit on beth page just pump the brakes on

that beth page is a hell of a property i mean they have a fucking u.s open golf course right down the block from borelli but yeah i can't agree more i think it's a stunning visually stunning it takes your breath away type place, which doesn't happen in many places. Pebble Beach, it's usually that like Monterey Peninsula, that whole area. You know, I've always argued that like, you know, a Pebble Beach is just more stunning to me than like a place you can just build in Iowa. So like being one of those places at Torrey Pines is always fun for me, being able to see like those fucking cliffs and how they just built a golf, a public golf course amongst the cliffs.

it's a it's a it's a it's a one in a million type place i fucking love tory pines never even we haven't played it right we basically had to drag you out the property remember the the sun started to come out and you well that was i always we got to put the bird in the air i was i was in full blown behind the greens like like mode and we were filming for the first time just getting a feel for like what we're going to end up shooting and interviewing guys and we had this fucking burn up there we had these two drones flying around and it was like windy and it was like a little bit overcast it was still beautiful but just like windy overcast and then as we got in the car to go to the airport which our flight was like 11 hours after

that because tread had to go fucking watch the bachelor we all rushed in this car and as we as i put my seatbelt on god and like pegasus like wiped away all the fucking clouds and the most beautiful sunset came over that that hole on the south course that's going to talking about that that goes all the way down the hill and the fucking the sun's beaming through the clouds and hitting us just slightly in the eyes you're like what the fuck one of the guys on the property said oh yeah we're going to get one of the best sunsets of the year tonight and then we just drove away from the property i watched it from the airport i'm like this is so fucking stupid because i remember i took i think were you in my car? I was driving. I made a wrong turn. And so we went right near the harbor.

And we're just, there's this road near the airport that's like literally right on the water. You overlook the boats. And the sun, it was one of the most beautiful sunsets I've ever seen. And we're just in a car where we don't need to be. And we have just filmed 10 seconds earlier. So it's like, yeah, it was tough. But luckily, San Diego's type of place where you're just going to get that mostly every day. Yeah, that whole part of the. the kind of like that whole state to be honest with you is almost like you you feel like it can't be a real place that humans live right like it's a visit it's almost a visitation or a vacation place like the whole place and you're yeah just like well no that can't like it's too vacationing

it's too chill vibey it's like no i we're supposed to be miserable we're supposed to be hardened and living in these shit places where like when we get lucky a few times a year, we escape somewhere where it looks like this, but this can't look like this all of the time. Yet the whole ambiance of Torrey Pines was that that's where people went like after grinding at work. They just showed up there to chip and put around on those greens or to get in nine holes or if they snuck away from work on a Tuesday,

they could pay the fucking 60 bucks or whatever it is, jump out at Tori Pines and play. And that to us, with those views and how high up it is, was just wild. Like I wasn't expecting it to be as elevated as it is. When you add, like when you're on the water, right, like Long Island's pretty flat and you're just kind of on the water, it feels like. But Tori, you're above the water. And you're above the water. It just adds another element that we're not used to.

It feels good. Speaking of like sons and all this shit, I've been fucking watching that show The Cosmos. That motherfucker Neil deGrasse Tyson because I got so many people messaging me about that. Because honestly, the moon fact blew people's brains that they've never seen the other side of the moon. A lot of people laughed at Lurch's expense about his dumb comment,

which was fun to see. you said let's go to China and let's just look at the other side of the moon let's not forget I didn't think we were rotating yeah there's a few things I thought we were rotating against each other in my brain anyways we don't have to go back no no maybe go to Florida to the side of the moon or like move around the country I don't even think you understand my logic well you should want to get off this topic as soon I do I do yeah anyway apparently when when we see a sunrise it's actually like a mirage because Because the sun isn't coming in perfectly where we're seeing it in real time.

It's actually hitting the atmosphere and we're seeing it maybe three minutes earlier or later. I can't remember which one it was. But you know what I mean? It's almost like when light comes into the water and it kind of just like fucks it. Like it distorts the view. We're actually, when we're seeing that sunrise, it's not, the moon, the sun's actually not right where we're seeing it. It's a mirage. Guess how, guess how long it takes sunlight.

from the sun to reach earth. I don't want to answer that. It's either going to be no time or more time than I'm thinking. Let's say, I'm going to say 29 seconds. A minute and a half. I was say three minutes. You guys weren't horrible. Eight minutes and 20 seconds.

Yeah. So we're always seeing, so every sun we see is eight minutes old. every time we look at the sun that's eight minutes old that should fucks me up so Cosmos the biggest thing I mean I almost threw up when I watched it it's if you're

if you're thinking about watching Cosmos don't unless you're prepared to have everything you've ever thought about or wanted to think about questions I mean like yes this is like scientific people saying like their theories and ideas but to me like

what they're saying is factual because I'm just watching a show and they're speaking to me and I'm just like retaining the information. When this fucking guy in like one of the first episodes starts just pulling back and showing us just how fucking small, like, bro, I legitimately was like, no, no, no. Like as if you're watching a sporting event and the opposing team is coming down the ice for like a breakaway, I was literally like, stop, stop, stop holding onto my walls.

Dude, like, when he, for anyone that's seen the original Cosmos, not the original original, I know there's another dude, but like the original Neil deGrasse Tyson, he shows these like fucking little galaxies inside these little water droplets. And then a million water droplets are fucking going down a river. And I'm just like, you're telling me that that's what we're in. We're somewhere in there in this river of endless galaxies, right? Like our galaxy is endless, the Milky Way, endless. Endless. Oh, that's debatable. We debated the border on it.

No, no, I'm saying like, I'm saying like our galaxy, like the Milky Way is so fucking far that like we can't even fathom getting out of it. And there are endless amounts of those galaxies within this one little water droplet. And then there's endless amounts of those little water droplet things everywhere, right? I don't know, bro. It's really, really bad. And then he starts talking about if we're all come from the same thing. A cousin's tree.

Like, I have the same fucking DNA as a tree. Get the fuck out of here. So it's interesting because I watched Cosmos when it first aired. It aired on TV. I forget what channel it was on. Did you call the police? What?

Did you call the police? No, see, that's what I was going to say is like, we're just different. And I think because I watched that, I'm like, oh, that's pretty cool. And then I turn it off and I eat Chinese food. Like, we're so different that, like, I thought when I think about that, I like don't care. And maybe it's because I'm stupid, which I am. Don't care.

No, like when I see, like, there's nothing I can do about it. What are you going to do about? Yeah, we can do something. You know what? You know what you do care about, Trent? What? Owen's mixers. Hell of yeah.

Owen's mixers, boys, are going to tell you at Pires this week at the Rossi, it's been flowing. There's a lot of people that hadn't had it yet, hadn't had it before. They're blown away by the transfusion. They're blown away by the mint cucumber line. people were even drinking polomas they're going can i get a little tequila can i get a little grapefruit and lime in there from owens as a little ode as a little nod to my guy lurch because he's in the dumps after saying one of the dumbest things has ever been said in the history of podcasting about china and the other side of the earth

just go over to china and see it so really really trying to help just trying to help the guy out say i'm going to go with poloma and they love it they fucking can love it because Owens is absolutely delicious. Dude, imagine a moon on top of a ball. Imagine this right here. And you're just going to tell me to go around this water bottle to see the other side of this fucking thing.

Here. Here's the world. Here's the earth. The visual makes you look like a fucking morrow. This is the moon. This is the moon. The moon will spin. So obviously it rotates.

And that's why I thought we'd see. But you just held the wallet still. You just held the wallet. The earth isn't just like. I thought this would be rotating the opposite direction. No. Right. So I'm,

anyways, that was my point. Paloma. The Poloma. The Poloma. The Paloma. The realm drink in them. Become a little bit of a sympathy drink in Lurch's case in this situation.

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So do yourself a favor, go on over to Amazon, look for Owens and the transfusion. Big price drop for the product, one day ship anywhere in the country. please go to Amazon, get yourself some Owens, go to your local store, go to their store, go to owensmixtures.com, check out the store locator and figure out where you can get yourself some Owens. Back to the topic of just the cosmos and everything in general. The thought process of light taking time to travel, and therefore what we see on Earth is actually the past is absolutely baffling. So like the stars that you see,

if you pick any one of them out and then they tell you how far away it is, like that might be, you know, two million light years away. And that means that what you are seeing is two million years old. And that that star could be fucking gone. That to me is just shocking. The fact that the star can be gone really fouls me up.

And like a shooting star and what that. is and that whole world is something that again you can keep and the fact that they we got on that hubble telescope and they can see to the end of the universe as far as they can right now which it's basically just like i mean the way that they do it on the show is incredible with the graphics and stuff right they make it look real and like understandable but like obviously in real life it's like little dots or whatever they do but like which i would love to see i want to know how they know all this information from just like they see a little dot on this telescope and they're like oh that's the big bang like that's the gas from the big bang 300,000 years after it happened. It's like because that's

as far as we can see that gas explosion has traveled 300,000 years closer to us and that's as far as we can see it. But how do they fucking know it? That's what that is. It's almost like a dude just like, yeah, that's what it is. Like who who's fact checking these people? Like yeah, that's just what it is. like that's like you know what I mean it's just a fucking dot if it even is a dot it also and I don't want to get all Jared Carabas on that on people here who I love by the Jared's one of my favorites but it like when you watch those things it instantly minimizes everything in your life to 100% feeling like the least important stuff ever like we're talking about fucking like you just said a water droplet in the ocean is one galaxy and our galaxy is billions of stars. And you're telling me there are billions of billions of galaxies that have billions of stars. It's like what fucking number system?

What expansiveness are we talking about that you could possibly relate me trying to fucking make contact with a golf ball to like who it's so amazing. And yet like you're okay, these physics, if this is orbiting around that because of gravity, it's like I should be able to figure out. what I always think of. I should be able to figure out to deliver a fucking giant club face that's been sculpted over 150 years with the best technology of all time to make it as easy as possible. I should be able to channel all of these physics that we've learned into performing this sport at some decent respectable level. And when you can't do it, it's so fucking infuriating.

And looking at, like you said, the grander scale of, of, of, the galaxy, the Milky Way, all this shit to what we're trying to do here on Earth makes you feel very meaningless. We are meaningless. That's a fact. I mean, when you look at, when that motherfucker turned the cosmos into a calendar and he's just like, the Cosmo calendar has gone on from January 1st until December 31st.

And we're on New Year's civilization. Civilization is on New Year's. at 1159.59.59.1. Like, we've done a speck of a second. I prefer meaningless. What do you mean? It tastes like the everyday stress of everything, and it can be very stressful.

But when you think about it, when you're just like, you're a drop in the middle of a gigantic pool, it's just like, oh, like, it's the little stuff. We have to know what other drops are out there. Like, we just have to. But like I can't, I'm not smart enough to make that happen. And unfortunately, no offense to they got anybody on the show.

But I don't think anybody else is either. Fuck. No way. I'd love to go to. I'm with you, though, Trent. I think like, yeah, feeling like a drop in a bucket is great. You know, like, it de-risons everything. Yeah, everyone thought that way.

But like, yeah. No, but just sometimes when you, like, Frankie, for you, for example, you get so boiled down into, like, minute, worthless details that you should be thinking drop more often because I think that would relax you on. Oh, dude, if I start thinking drop, I'm gone, bro. You're never getting me back. If you start, if I start thinking drop, if I slip to start thinking drop, it's over for me. I'm never coming back.

I'm going to be that dude fucking in soul that's flipping that fucking sign and he's in that other fucking universe. I'm done, dude, because this shit doesn't matter. You ever see? I'm going to stress over hitting a fucking golf ball when we got this shit going on. we got waterfalls worth of fucking galaxies out here. I mean, come on. If you could go to that world for just a second every day, I think it would help you.

Fuck, dude. Have you seen the movie Walk Hard, Do We Cox? No, I haven't. Holy shit. There's a part of it. It's John C. Riley. Yeah. It's like, it's very, very funny.

It's a very, very funny movie. But there's a part in that where he just, he takes so much acid that he just starts, his entire life turns at him jumping on a trampoline. and he just does that endlessly. I think if you start going into the drop world, I think that that's what you turn into. Just him on a trampoline thinking about space and doing nothing else. I've seen a compilation from that movie,

which I'm sure I ruined the movie, but like, don't they keep saying something to him each time he, like does drugs? Like he keeps trying. Like it's like a never-ending, like he just continuously keeps trying. What's like the one-liner he always says? He's, well, he keeps walking in on Tim Meadows doing different types of drugs.

Yes, yes. It's like cocaine. And then he's like, I want to do that. And Tim Meadows lists off, I just don't ruin the part of the movie right now. But like he lists off the bad things that happen when you do it. And then they finally get to weed. And he explains like how it's not bad for you. And he's like, all right, well, then I want to do that.

It's just you should really watch the movie. Everyone would love that movie. Yeah. You should watch Molly's game, I think. That's a good one. I've heard good things about it. Yeah, that's a good one. I watched it was good.

Okay. From the gallery. Forplay at barstoolsports.com. Shoot us an email. That's how you submit it from the gallery. Keep it short. If it's long, I won't read it, and it'll never get on the show. We're going to start.

We're going to go rapid fire through these. Probably not, because we take fucking forever to get through anything. We're talking about space for... Cosmos. We're now a space podcast, which is we're just in the strongly podcast. I hate the way he says Cosmos too. Cosmos. It's like...

You're a little bit of a guy today. Get off your fucking high horse, Neil de Grass Tyson. and you don't fucking know what water drop it's wearing. I think that we're probably the show that people think does or smokes more weed than any other show that actually doesn't smoke any weed. I haven't smoking a weed. And I mean, I don't know that I mean, I probably did it once to try it. Sorry, Mom. I don't know.

Probably been probably been a year and a half, two years since I think. People think I'm high consistently. When they watch the streams and I'm doing fucking, and I'm building Butter's Bay, they're like, this dude is zooted, as the kids say. I mean, there's definitely a time and a place for it.

I haven't smoked to me in a while, but I'm not going to knock it. That baritone cough and that voice coming in. It's been about two days for me. I just to go to sleep. I like doing it at night. You roll it up. You roll it up.

You lick it? Or do you eat the brownies or the, like, do you do that? stuff. I actually have, right now I have like a vape pen. Oh, so you're one of those cool cats. Right. You can just, you can do it inside.

It doesn't smell up the joint. Yeah. It's good right before bed. It helps you relax. A THC. Oh, boy. Is that what that is? THC, yeah, no, it is.

Oh, boy. From the gallery. First one. From John. John says, is Kevin Kisner a top 500 golfer of all time? Um, how long has professional golf been around? Realistically, you know, a hundred years. Like I know it's tricky because in those, you know, 20s, 30s, 40s even,

there was like Bobby Jones never turned pro, but he was the best player. Yeah. So it's like, it's a little tricky. So let's say roughly 80 to 100 years. Try to think because, like, if you divide it up amongst the top 25 players of each, like, era. Like he's a top 25 player right now in his era, right? Like in his time playing or no? I don't, I don't think so. Even if he's on that line, I think he's definitely top 500 because there's just not, not enough guys have been even around the top 25 for that long. Right. I think he's

without question in top 500. I mean, so really? 500. So a top 25 on a decade basis would get you what, 525 for 20, 20 decades? So you're talking 200 years of top 25 guys. Right. Now double that, even if he's not top 25. Right. He might be a top 250 guy. Right.

I think he's definitely, dude, there's not that many guys over the years of golf that have been around the top 25 in the world. I mean, that half I just did was incredible. Incredible. I'm impressed by, I don't even know if it's right, but I was impressed to how you made it work. It could be wrong. It was so above me, I didn't even listen to you.

My God told me no, but I just, because it seems, just seems impossible. Right, like, here's what I would say. I think you guys are giving too much credit to the era and players being in the top 25 as like a constant over a 20-year span or 10-year span, which in reality, like we did it earlier, like the top 25 in the world changes every year, like by probably a 50% turnover or something. So all of those, there's so many players that are shummed up into the mix that I don't think it's a lock.

Now, what I would give more credit to would be like if you argue that each generation gets better and the players are better and the fitness and the studying of swings on camera, then like, you know, if you subscribe to, the fact that like, well, technically, Phil Mickelson's the second best player because, like, he was just right behind Tiger and Tiger's the greatest of all time. So Phil was better than all the other generation, whatever. Then, like, Kiz is a no-brainer top 500. But I think if you went pure, if you really looked at pure numbers and you looked at wins

and, like, world rankings and everything over all time, I don't know that he would be. So my logic is simple in the fact that it's just like it's a number. I mean, he's been in the top 25 first. what the last like seemingly last 10 years no not even close since 2012 he hasn't been right around the top 25 i don't think even close so he at the 2015 at sawgrass there's actually a comment where uh johnny miller says like yeah you know like we've got ricky fowler and he goes through rickie's resume and he's like we got sergeo garcy he goes then he goes i don't really know anything about Kevin Kisner. And like this was five years ago. And Kisn, that was like Kis' coming out party.

And then even over the years, like now he's top 25, but I think he hovers closer to like 40 to 50-ish, 35 to 50. All right. So my logic then would be, all right, so I think he's been within the top 50 for that time. So if that's the case, he's been in the top 50 for the last 10 years. No, it's not 10, dude. Like six years ago, he was on the web.com tour or seven years. I got to look into that. I got to look into that. I think since it's like almost impossible to nail down a specific number, I think the right way to do it is like he's generally a 25 to 50 player from whenever he got in there

to when his career is going to be over. And that's like his era. There's no denying that Kevin Kisner's era of golf will find him within the top 25 to top 50. Can we all agree with that? Like that was his playing on the PGA tour. He was, he floated between 25 and 50 on average. No?

So that was, yeah, Frankie, going down that path, that was like mine and your logic was, okay, so if he's been in that bucket, I would say generation flips over every like 10 years. So then you've got... Dustin Johnson's ahead of him,

but he's staying there. Right. And so you've got 25, you know, you've got 25, golfers per 10 years and that adds up to call it, you know, 200 years, roughly. But like, here's what I would, so where it gets tricky for me is like, so Kiz's first major he ever played in was the 2014 U.S. Open, which he missed the cut. So like, he wasn't anywhere near top 50 in the world before then.

Got into one major in 2014, so he clearly wasn't top 50 in the world that year at all, because he only got into one. In 2015, he didn't even play in the Masters. And then he got into the U.S. to open the P.C. So let's say from like 20, what's been five years that he's been top 25 to top 50 in the world. And, you know, there's so many guys to me that have come in and out during that time

that were like older guys that had better. Like I would look at, would you say, and here's a wild example, would you say like Anthony Kim is a better all time? golfer than than Kevin Kisner? No. I don't know about that. Like he's got more wins

and he had more wins and he has four wins Kiz has three. He was on like rider cups and like Kiz hasn't been on a rider cup. So like that even though he had a shorter thing like would he be considered a greater golfer of all the time? And you start like the names that start to pile up. I just think it's closer than you guys are giving it credit to.

No, I think so. So so you think what? Golf's been a perfect or excuse me, golf's been around for like a, how many years do you think where you're going to like associate to this question? Are we going to say 100 years? Well, I don't, I don't know that that even matters because like I think old Tom Morris who played in like the mid-1800s is considered a greater golfer than Kevin Kisner. Yeah, I'm just going from like, you're going to from like who's potentially better. I'm just trying to think of like numbers wise if you're going to bucket them into a category. how many people from this generation might fit in. So like if top 500, 100 golfers, and so, sorry, 100 years,

and I'm thinking a generation is every 10 years, that means you've got 10 buckets of 50 golfers that you're selecting from to put into this bucket of top 500. And so to Frankie's point, he was saying that I think that Kisner, when it's all said and done within this generation, is a 25 to top 50 golfer, so that would potentially put him in this bucket. Does that make any sense?

Potentially, but that's what we're here to make. Yeah, yeah, no, and I know. I mean, because you really, I mean, I'm sure there's a case for a lot of people, certainly between like 3 to 700 where it's pretty washing. It's, I agree with that. I think, like, I think his, what makes this a great question why I picked it is I think his is somewhere

between like 350 and 700 of all time and figuring out like if he's actually in there or not is very interesting because people will debate forever like is Phil Mickelson a top 10 player of all time is Tiger Wood but then we're like no who's top 500 you're like wait what like what my whole brain has to reconfigure what we're looking at here and I'm not convinced I'm not 100 I love kids kids one of five love kids but I'm not convinced Kevin Kis is a top 500 player in the world So I just looked, there's 225 major winners out there. So I think instantly you throw those people on top. Like you want a major.

Really? I don't know. It'd be tough for me not to say that you're above Kisner. I mean, I know that's hard because like the Charles Schwartzel's of the world, the people who just like show up and leave. But like Charles Schwartzel is not a better golfer than Kevin Kisner. I know that's. But I think he's, but he's still, that major gets him in the discussion.

of that realm of golfers. So hard with golf. It's not like hockey where you just go based on... The longevity is huge. You almost need to like equate points to... I mean, I'm sure the golf rankings does that, right? They do like points off of it.

But you have to go back a hundred years. And like even if, I mean, if guys didn't play as much like that's against them, right? Like his plays more tournaments. He gets more points like that. Like we should have like a point system based off of where they've ended up in their career. Like if you went back, be good. And added the official golf rankings of 1932 season.

Like, and you, and the number one player there, like, got whatever, I don't know, 40 points. But Kiz, who's a 35th ranked player in the world, now gets 35 points. Like, all of a sudden, because he's playing more tournaments, he's, he's finishing top tens more. Like, I think that, I think someone needs to do this. I won't because it's way too much work. Way too much work.

But if someone fucking goes back and applies points to every season. that there's ever been of the professional golf tour. I mean, good on you. And then get back to us with the data. Question for you. Gary Woodland or Kisner? Oh, Gary Woodland. Okay.

I mean, you're just going off names, Gary Woodland, for sure. No, I mean, he's won one major, you know, like. I know, but just Gary Woodland is just a better, I mean, he's just a bigger name. I mean, I'm in the same bucket. I'm just trying to get where everybody stands. He's only Charles. Gary Woodland. Gary Woodland has four tour wins.

One of them's a U.S. Open. Kiz has three wins, no majors. Like, that's just instantly Gary Willem. Yeah, he ain't no Charles Schwartzel. Charles Swartzel. How many wins does Charles Schwartzel have? And how often do people confuse him with Charles Schwab? I'm going to say not particularly often.

He has two. PGA Tour wins, 11 European Tour wins. Is that what it is? I was having a tough time spelling his name. Yeah, I was too. I just pounded the keyboard through it and got to Schwartzel. Just open the Google. You know what that sounds like one of those hard Bavarian pretzels? You know the ones that you get in that brown box?

Sounds like a Schwartzel. I don't know. Is that that what's the company name? You know those hard salted pretzels? They're really hard ones that you'll break your fucking tooth on. Oh. What is that? Sourddose?

No, they almost, the name reminds me of Schwartzel. Is it fucking Schwarzel? I can picture the bag. It's not really a bag. It's like a brown box, like a rock hard box.

Snyders? What? Snyders? Maybe. Snyders, Frank. Snyders, yes. All right. I mean, it's an ass.

Schwarzels. You hear that's like Samsonite. Swiss swammy Samsonite I'm talking about Kisner Kevin Kisner you might not know this but I'm going to tell you right now Kevin Kisner wears Peter Mawar

that's just what he rocks you can tell because he looks very very good on the golf course and that's actually over the last year year and a half maybe I can't remember the exact time frame but that's just what Kiz chose to wear and Peter Milar of course

helps him out. He didn't necessarily have like a sponsorship deal. I think maybe he's getting closer to it now, but he just knew Peter Moulaar's the best material, the best clothing, the best gear, the best apparel that you can wear in the world. So we went with Peter Moular. Brandt Snetiker, Peter Mowler guy. Their newest tour player, the 2019 U.S. Amateur champion, Andy Ogletree, who we've talked about on this show, a good amount. There's been a few different instances where people have been telling stories about him. Total Star going to be rocking Peter Millar as do we. Right now, I'm wearing the Perth Peter Malar pullover with a little Pinehurst.

This was a gift at the Rossi tournament, which people were absolutely raving about. Painting was a gift, Todd, the way he said that. That is one of the funniest lines, by the way. It was a gift, Todd. Dude, no one is no one better. No one better at delivering lines. with their face, the inflection in their voice,

then Vince Vaughn. He is the goat at delivering comedic lines. He really is. I mean, four Christmases. People say it's, I mean,

Jeff DeLo says it's a 45 on the buttered ratio. You watch Vince Vaughn's face in that movie, and it's just pure comedy. That is a, that is clearly a hysterical comedic line,

and he drops it so seriously. Oh, like, The painting was a gift, Tom, taking it with me. He's great.