Fore Play - "Frankie, to be honest, you're just wrong."

Episode Date: July 31, 2018

Frankie got in a several-hours-long, heated debate with his golf buddies in the parking lot following a match this weekend. Is he the most wrong person in history? We discuss this plus a listener who can only putt inside 10 feet if he's drunk, and have a message for listener Shaun, who his buddies say is "shaving strokes." In Headlines, we breakdown Bryson DeChambeau making all kinds of news for the wrong reasons and our favorite thing about Dustin Johnson's game. Tiger's playing back-to-back weeks. It's crunch time. Let's do this.You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

Hey, 4Play listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Folks, we have a great show this week. I guess the best way to describe it is that Frankie has an incredibly passionate and controversial take, really, about something that happened to him in a matchplay yesterday. He's been shining all day. He's been smiling, sort of guiltily, sort of, like, excited. It's wild. I gotta be honest, it's wild.

We battle for it for a while. Frankie was screaming. Him and his bodies were screaming at each other in the parking lot yesterday. Yep. Isn't that right, Frankie? For about two hours, you know, girlfriends got involved.

They came over. They were taking videos of us. That's how passionate it was. And my car was running. We argued in the restaurant for an hour over dinner. We got out. I started taking bags out of my car

because one of the girlfriends came and was going to take one of the guys home. And we just had all of our stuff on the floor. My car was running. The trunk was open. when we stayed there for an extra hour and a half. We just couldn't get to a solution. But a solution was found on this year podcast.

It's a move you called dog shit. That was the key word. That was the day. Yeah, we call the day dog shit. So we get to the bottom of that. We break it all down. We battle. We talk about Bryson D. Shambo, the streak that he's been on of just being a lunatic.

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Riggs and Trent. Guys, welcome to the show. Forward play, presented by Barstool Sports. All right, gentlemen, we're getting into, we're kind of getting into the late parts here. We've got, well, we've got a lot to break down. It's the middle of summer, so obviously there's a ton of golf to talk about. We got Firestone this week, PGA next week. There's all kinds of Rider Cup points.

Everybody's talking about who's qualifying for the Ryder Cup. The regular season is going to be over in three weeks. Who's qualifying for? the FedEx Cup. DJ, DJ wins again. Bryson D.C.M. Bo. He's a lunatic. We've got to talk about that. All kinds of stuff going on. All kinds of stuff. Let's start with DJ. Let's just start with the Canadian Open. Now, look, when you go from something like the British Open, we talk about this every week after a major,

especially I think it's Harbourtown that's right after the Masters. And it's like with something like the Masters, you build up to the Masters for literally for eight months because there's no other major. you have all that is the master's the back night on Sunday all that and then it's like the next tournament after that week you just couldn't you couldn't pay me to watch it um the Canadian Open I do I will say I have a soft spot in my heart for Canada now because you went to Cabot because of Cabot yeah so anyone who is in Canada and likes golf I feel like we're just friends now yeah so like watching them all walk around and DJs like high-fying them and stuff I was like those are my people yeah it's great um so I was in Chicago I was hung over his balls yesterday got back to my apartment and like three and actually watched the conclusion. A lot of the golf architecture folks shit on the course. They hate this golf course, Glenn Abbey. I think it's very fun to watch because they've got the two par fives coming down the finish there,

the 18th where Tiger had that famous shot out of the bunker with the six iron, all that stuff. It always delivers the drama or usually does except this time DJ just fucking dusting everybody. He sure did. Yeah, it was pretty anti-climactic down the stretch there. Our guy, Keegan Bradley, shot a 64. Yep. And really, I was hoping he was going to make Eagle on one of those par fives coming in and kind of maybe try to hit it 20, maybe get into a playoff. But then DJ was just like, no, with those par fives coming in and DJ coming down, it's just not even fair.

It's over. It's just like you're doing the math in your head. And you're like, there's just no way this guy doesn't win. Our guy Kegan had five Eagles on the week, which I believe they said, I think it ties the most in one week ever. He had to do something because he shot a 73 on Saturday. and he still is at 19 under for the tournament. He's still finished 19 under. Almost won the damn tournament.

You're right. Yeah, I think he had five Eagles and maybe six would have tied the most of all time or something like that, which is just, I mean, it's stunning to think about having five. They were saying, like, the tour average was like five Eagles over the course of his season. He had five this week. So that's our guy, Kings. Which is just I don't even understand that. It can't comprehend that. That is a stat that you can't comprehend.

Like, that's just wrong. Someone messed up. Right. Like, what are you talking? Even from watching him, like, that, they're just showing a replay. Right. Like that's, he's made those five eagles at this tournament over the last 10 years. Yeah, exactly.

He just happened to be wearing like the same clothes. So DJ, there's a lot of stats rolling in on DJ. I feel like this has been kind of going on for the last couple of years because he's won like, he's won like every fucking year since he turned pro. Yeah. On the PGA tour. He's got 19 wins since 2008, 19 wins total. But since 2008, that is the most. Second is Tiger Woods with 18, which when you look at that stat, that's just shocking.

So I feel like for, I feel like for like for like for. 80% of the last 10 years, Tiger has been on his couch recovering from surgery. And he has the second most wins on the BGA door. Like, what are you guys talking about? Tiger Woods. Shit, baby. That's just Tiger Wood stuff. It's Tiger stuff.

Like that's... Nothing associated with Tiger makes sense, just like the Keegan thing. Nothing makes sense when you bring up Tiger stats. He's literally been sitting on his couch and he's just, like, dominating stats. Like, that stat of him being second in wins in the last 10 years might be the most impressive Tiger stat of all time. It's like he did all that in a month. He won, like, all of those tournaments in a month.

Like, hey, guys, I'm going to take five years off. I'll give you a chance to catch up. But if you don't, I'm coming back, and I'm going to fuck you. Just outrageous. That stat is outrageous. So you're telling me until two days ago he had the most wins. He was like tied for the most wins in the last thing. What?

What is that? So, DJ, I mean, he's just a machine. He's hitting it straight. So, you know, there's a lot of DJ chatter back and forth. He's got the whole history with the fines taking like six months off. Which, by the way, feels like 10 years ago. Forever ago, which was like, what, two years ago, maybe? Two, three years ago.

Three years ago. He's got the Paulina Asper. So there's all this kind of interest. And he's got like the wild, super hot, like pretty aggressive girl who's more famous at tournaments than he is, even though she couldn't get as close as we could at the US Open. But yet he's also, he's talked about, like everybody talks about him, like he's the dumbest person that's ever walked the face of the earth. But he's like very interesting to watch. He pounds the ball. My favorite thing about all that about DJ is how fast he plays.

Like the camera guy, they don't even have time to set up the shot. When they cut to him, the ball's like in the air. They cut to him. And we're going to cut the DJ off. Fucking ball dirty in the air. It's legitimately, like walking to the hole. It's funny. It's funny.

It's funny. Because every Twitter clip you see of DJ is he's already in his back swing. Like on a driver. I was looking at the PJ tour Twitter account yesterday. And they had like the ball tracking and all that. And it's as soon as they show him, he's already in his back swing on the driver. So yeah, he plays very quickly. And if you're one of these guys who plays slow, there's tons of them on tour now, you should look at DJ and be like, this is the number one goal from the world.

This guy's dominant. This guy's playing as well as anybody. And he plays fast. You don't have to play slow to play well. Correct. And so it is in a time when one of the. the biggest critiques of golf right now is how slow it is, slow play. Every week it feels like we get some sort of drama.

Even the other players are chiming in about how it's just too damn slow. It takes five, six hours sometimes out there on tour. DJ is like the fastest player on earth, number one player in the world. If he gets to 20 wins, you earn a lifetime exemption on the PGA tour. He's got three wins this year. I will say that this, one of the stats that I do have to also bring up is that at the beginning of the book by our good friend Armin Katayin. Great friend.

And Jeff Benedict, the Tiger Woods book. We've also, and we sold it. We've moved a bunch of those units on those books. And I'm not saying I want like commission or any sort of kickback. But people haven't been in our mentions being like, I bought this book because you guys. I've got two messages from personal friends texting me. It's funny. One friend

just took a picture of the book and says, is this the tiger book? And I said, yes. I mean, it's just a picture of Tiger Woods. The cover just says it all. I mean, it's just a half of his beautiful face. and he's like, is this the book? And I just wrote, yes. You'd be weird if that wasn't that.

Exactly. Based upon Twitter, we have sold more of these books than any other book that's ever been sold. Two things we need kickbacks on. One, the Tiger Woods book. And two, transfusion sales. Transfusion sales have to be off the charts. I mean, you retweet, you could retweet 50 every day if you wanted it. So it's just so beautiful every time I see it.

And people, too. People get it where they put them in like their master's cup. That really gets me. No, it's the glass cup with whatever background. Like so it's either you're either of the golf course in the background Or sometimes they have golf on the TV in the background I love seeing the background of the transfusions They're just so it's great see I saw a couple guys

One guy's on like a pontoon boat Just crushed transfusions People are now bringing It's the grape right Yeah people are now bringing that like in their pockets So that no matter where they go They have that stuff just on hand In case the bar doesn't have it

Transfusion is not easy like you need three pretty like serious ingredients Like the ginger ale is always like a big fucking bottle the grape is like kind of the weird like Welch's grape bottle and you need like a big bottle of vodka that's like glass so you're bringing all this shit everywhere I'm like what are you guys doing on boats

it's dangerous? We just didn't have grape juice at Borelli's and like now we do for transfer just in case someone wants to order transfusion I'm like we just need to like we need to stock up on those I told you that it did a cab

but the first day we got them with cranberry juice came back the next day they're like no no we have acquired grape grape will be used so we do we need kickbacks on that but anyways at the beginning of the book

they're talking about you know they're trying to to put everything in perspective and they talk about how Tiger moves the needle better than anybody else and they're giving comparisons and they're like at the age of 27 Ricky Fowler has three PGA Tour wins Tiger Woods had 34 at the same age and they mentioned Dustin Johnson they go at the age of 32 Justin Johnson is one major championship Tiger Woods had 12 at the same age it's just not the same everything is so different it's just so skewed um so that is the one thing you know and if you go back like obviously tj there's a reason he doesn't have as many majors as you should

should is because he's had a ton of close calls. He had the U.S. Open with the whole issue there. He had the grounded club. Yeah. The grounded club of the PGA. He had the British Open at, was that Royal Limitam in San Anz? I can't remember where he hit one O.B. On the back nine on a part five, he had like a two iron in and he hit it out of pounds. Chambers Bay obviously was a disaster. He had the U.S. Open I was referring to earlier. It was Pebble in 2010 when he made triple on the second hole trying to hit, he was trying to hit flop shot left-handed. And he teed off with

three-stroke lead shot like 82 or something like that. So it's not that he hasn't been there in majors. He just is only closed at Oakmont, which is, you know, he did that and just amazing. That was when he had the whole controversy there when they said his ball moved on, whatever that was. Oh, yeah, and we didn't know down the stretch who actually had the lead. Because they told him, like, they gave him like a maybe penalty. Like, that might be a penalty when I don't know. What are you talking about?

When you sign that, we don't know if you want or not. We're going to find out later. Just give us a second. We're going to hit the bar and has some transfusions. We'll let you know. Right. That's pretty much what they do. People forget how nuts that was.

You're going down the stretch of a major tournament. And then the next week, it happened in the LP... Yeah, it was like the LXIA-Thompson thing, maybe it was shortly after that? Or was that, like, a year later? Yeah, she, like, finished around and, like, congratulations. By the way, you just didn't win. Like, what the fuck? Somebody called, snitched on you.

Four-stroke penalty, you didn't win. It's like, damn. Yeah, the Lexi one was tough because they told her in the middle of the final round that she had been penalized four strokes from the day early. Right. She was just like, excuse, like, that can't be a thing. Like, that's not. You're no longer in contention.

You're like you went from a four-stroke lead to you're just tied. Yeah. What? So anyways, DJ has battled through all those things. It is crazy. Only has one major. But that's why, because it's not that he hasn't been there. It's that he hasn't closed as many times, obviously, as he would like.

So that'll be interesting to see. I mean, he's got to be the massive favorite now going into Belle Reeve in a week and a half. That's in my hometown of St. Louis. I know nothing about the golf course. I've never played there. He said when you growing up, it was just the golf course down the street. We just paid it. We paid like 12 bucks to play at the public track down the street.

That was it. I never belonged to anywhere or anything like that. So I don't know. Bel-Reeve was like this mystical place, like a half hour away from where I grew up, where my dad would just tell stories about when he would go to U.S. Opens and PGAs there when he was a kid. I can never remember, but he always tells a story of one guy, one of his favorite guys who hit a drive over by him.

And they were like standing doing the gallery thing where they, you know, they huddle around the ball and all that. And he said, I can't fucking believe I can't remember this guy's name. I'll come up with it. But walked over. and just looked down at the ball, looked at his line, looked up at the hole, looked down back into the ball, and just goes, fuck.

That was all he said. So that's all I knew about Bel-Reeve. It's kind of still all I know about Bel-Ree. People have been chiming in here and there on Twitter and whatnot saying it's kind of like Oak Hill, which we're Duff Daddy one. Just pretty standard, like classic Parkland American golf. It's going to be tight fairways,

tree-line fairways, it's going to be high-ruff, all that. So it should be kind of a classic PGA championship-type venue coming up. But we've got Firestone. We've got the last run at Firestone. Then they're moving. Then they're done. Tiger got in because, as we said, they clearly, like, manipulated the numbers and kicked somebody

equal to Brantzna. Yeah, everything pointed to him just not making it. And then there was an outrage on Twitter. And then he just made it. Yeah, he missed that Bertie put on 18 at the British Open. Everybody's like, oh, well, he needed that to get it. He was number 51 when it was all sudden done. Somebody, like, got an eraser out, changed the math.

And they're like, he's in. Like, imagine how much that's going to pay off. Like, you can't even, I mean, you can quantify it. ratings, which is what you'd look at. Instead of, like, Brandt Snetterker, I think it was Russell Knox, actually. I looked it up after we were done. So think about Russell Knox being in the tournament or Tiger Woods. It's just like, the difference there is astronomical.

Right. You can actually, they can probably decide on how much money they would have lost or gained, but it's just, everyone's going to remember this tournament now more. I mean, they should, they could literally have just written Russell Knox a check for like 80 grand, been like, hey, you're just, you're out. Like, you're not in the tournament. You're not invited. Tigers in.

And that's it. That's just how it works, and nobody cares. No. No. No, that's great. Perfect. Course he's in the fucking turn. He's won it eight times.

He was going to be great. Tiger fucking Woods. He almost just won it. He's in the turn. Knox was just sitting in his, like, Den waiting for a phone to ring, and he's just like, I fucking know they're going to call. He just heard. He's like, I know.

He just answered it. He just answered it. He just answered off at Cardoose team. He was like, I have to finish 49th or higher ranked in the world right now. If I'm 50, I'm out. They're putting that guy in. So that's just what happened. Tiger's playing this weekend.

and they can say that was the number. The whole week, they're like, well, Tiger needs a tide for fifth or better. He found it just finished sixth, and he's in. So, whatever, that's just what it is. Bryson D. Chambot. A lot has happened with Bryce and D. Chamboson since the last time we spoke about golf. Yeah, the first thing was the video came out of when he was at Karnusti, apparently after his first round, I think he shot a 75, and him completely and utterly distraught on the range,

throwing a fit and just, and all out of sorts. He looked miserable. I thought he was going to kill himself. One of the great videos of the year. I mean, he's swinging the second he makes impact, hands over the head, turning around, like can't even look at the driving range. At one point, he just has, he's got one arm up on the grandstand and the other arm over his head. Like, contemplating life.

Like, just like he doesn't understand. Nothing makes sense to him anymore. Nothing. Like, that was the most unbelievable video I've ever seen of a professional athlete. Like, I've never watched a professional athlete break down. playing the sport that they play. This view, he's got his elbow is on top of his driver,

and his other hand is on top of the elbow, and it's just his head is in his hand, facing the ground. Just like face palming on his driver on the driving. The best was, they cut a highlight reel of him just melting down on the driving range, and it's just he takes a drive, immediately drops a driver

and walks around, and his team of coaches are all just like, well, there goes Bryson again. They're all just standing there. No one's consoling him, because I think if anyone comes up to him, he'll kill him. He'll kill. Well, it's just a case that they've seen this before. Yes, that's the problem. You've got to ride out the storm. Right. This is just what. Bryson being Bryson. I would say this is one of the things that

makes golf different than every other sport. You don't see videos like this of anybody else. You don't see a basketball player in like in the gym early on, like just airballing threes, and he just loses his mind. He falls to his knees. Yeah, you just don't see it. And maybe it happens, but you don't, the driving range must be so public that the guy was taking a video, put it out. And it's just like, he's a lunatic, Bryson DeCambeau. This is just what golf does to you. Yeah. Like, we've all been there.

We're like, you show up on Saturday. You're hitting the ball. Great. Life feels good. You show up Sunday. I mean, you can't even, you're a different, you have a different body. Like, your body is incapable of producing what you did the day before, even though it doesn't feel any different.

That's what he's doing. I mean, he's swinging. You can tell, too, on some of these swings, he's swinging like, all right, this is the right. And the result is just horrific to him. Like, you can't even comprehend. And the demons were clearly real because a week later on the European tour, he fully melts down and loses the tournament. So I believe he's, he was played the last four holes at five over.

That's true. Despite the fact that he was leading the golf tournament. Again, I mean, we've got this picture of the pro tracer with the ball just snaphoking left. He is hands on his knees, driver's on the ground. He's not even touching his driver. Looking at the ground and his ball, I mean, the pro tracer is just, he's off the property. Then, afterwards, he's playing with the guy who wins, this guy, Richard McAvoy. who is like a European tour and global golf journeyman.

This guy, I think he's like 39-ish. He's played like 300 starts or something in the European tour. Never won. Misses cuts all the fucking time. The ultimate grinder breaks through wins. Life-changing event. He finally fucking wins the European Tour. Bryson Nishambeau.

He might not, he might as well not even looked at the guy. They shook hands. It was the quickest handshake. He'd be better off not. Like, Bryson would have been better, would have looked better if he hadn't given a handshake at all, other than the handshake that he gave. Because it was wildly disrespectful. Just like, didn't even look at him.

Halfhand. Are we surprised that he's doing this? I mean, this is coming from the guy that has the same length clubs. He takes out his little utensils when he wants to put. Compass. He's got the compass. He's got the compass. He's got the protracor.

He's got everything. The protractor. He looks like the dinosaur from Land Before Time with his fucking hat. He looks like a peeky blinder. He walk around. It's like, come on, dude. We know of this guy. We know he's got a screw loose in his head.

Yeah, but that's different than like, disrespecting that handshake, right? Golf. He's just a type of guy that you know is going to like. Frankie, freak out when he. No, I think I agree with what you're going to say. Where it's like, these other things about him are quarks. And they're like weird and people gravitate to them and we get sick of them covering it.

But it's different to be an asshole. Like, quirks are one thing. Being an asshole is something different. I guess with him, I combine the two. The other thing, well, look, this golf loves a good loser. Like, if you are a very graceful and gracious loser, to golf, that is like better than winning. People look at him like, oh my God.

What an incredible, phenomenal, classy loser. That guy is just the best. They'll tell stories all day about like Jack Nicholas lost to so-and-so, or Tom Watson and picked up his marker and shook his hand and just said, I could have never beat you today. Your best was too good. Golf, are you kidding me? That's worth a major championship to golf.

Golf's obsessed with that. It's nauseating. We've talked about on this podcast how excited we are at the end of rounds that we play, where we just throw the hats off our head and want to shake hands. That's what people like. And if you don't do that in the golf world, it's what you're saying. You are a bigger asshole than before. There's nothing cooler in golf than taking your hat off on the 18th green

and shaking the guys that you played with his hand because you feel like you're doing exactly what old Tom Morris did, like, 150 years ago. It doesn't matter if you want a loss. It's just like, I'm a golf guy. That's just what we do in golf. And I can remember many occasions of Jordan Speeth in a final group in whatever tournament, and he's coming down the stretch, and the other guy has a good shot, and he gives him the thumbs up. That was Jason Day, whistling straight. That's right.

People eat that shit up. They're like, you start seeing hashtag class tweets all on Twitter. People love when you're classy, classy, classy. That clip was more viral than Jason Day winning the tournament. No doubt. Very true. A two second thumbs up from Spieth, which, by the way, I have the audiobook version of our Tiger Woods book. And the guy says Spath.

That's how he says Jordan Spath. Yeah, he goes, and then Jordan Spath. Does he have an accent? No, he just talks normally except when he says Speed's name. He says, like, Jordan Spath. It is wild. I thought he had like an English accent, but he just has normal speaking voice?

No, he sounds very normal. The other great thing about the audiobook guy is he does different voices for different guys, but he's like, that's not actually, he's not like an actor. He just like changes it a little bit every time. What do you mean?

It's like when he'll be like, and then Tiger Woods yells him into the house, what's for dinner? He's like, they like hired him to do this, but he's taking a little too many liberties with it. Like, all right, buddy.

No, So they hired him to do it in like a journalistic, really straightforward way, and he got like a little spicy. He got a little pizzazz. He gets up. This is my one shot. I got to make it count. Because me and Lurch, we were listening to it and we drove back from Pittsburgh. And every time he would like voice inflection would change with certain characters, it is laugh out of awful.

He says Jordan Speth. I don't think I'm calling anything other than Jordan Speth. It comes out of nowhere. It's like the softest way to say Speeth of all time. But anyways, that clip of Spieth, that was. was like that was the year two he had won the two majors he almost got in the playoff at st andrews it was like is he going to win the grand slam and then jason day beat him down the stretch at whistling strength straight straights like jordan's bath when it's listening straight

honey what's for dinner what the fuck is that guy doing and tiger woods enters the room honey it is amazing it's like sir sir that's just not his accent in the back of his mind he's like I'm just letting these people know I got range. He's totally. It's like he's doing a job interview for his future bookread. Like, no, no, I can get, I can get pretty spicy with this. It's like he just gave Tiger like a Scottish accent. Dude, just read the fucking words.

Like, what are you doing? I got to call up with what that guy's name is because they say it every time. Anyways, Bryson D. Shambo, complete lunatic. Lunatic. He apologized on Instagram for that and all that. You know, he's a young guy. I kind of wrote my blog too, right? that like in golf

we're always rooting we're trying to find someone to root for who's just different. Anybody who's not like a carbon copy cookie cutter country club guy is usually like great he's different that's what we want and Bryson

is that he's different and quirky and all that but he's just there's something about it he just he just does all this shit that's pretty fucking unlikeable the side saddle putting remember that whole debacle oh I forgot about that

the side saddle putting he did that for like a couple of years when he stood like behind the golf ball and like pushed at it because he thinks he knows things that we don't It's the same thing with this clubs. He just thinks he has it all figured out

because he read a book once about. That was when the USGA was like, you can't do the paddle thing. And then they all, or the saddle thing. And then they were like, you can't do the compass thing. He's like trying all this shit.

He's like, just go play the fucking game. Go play golf. Yeah. He does, he got a couple wins. So it's not like he's, when he was missing cuts over and over again, that was prime.

We get to talk shit about Bryce and Deschambeau. But now that he's playing well, it's like, that was too, when his, when his Microsoft commercial was playing over the weekends every weekend. And he wasn't, he didn't make the cut

which also happened to JT at the British Open was when he had that commercial that kept playing over and over and was like now that guy missed the cut like he can't. There should be like that should be in the contract like if you don't make the cut

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It's fantastic. You son of a bitch. Anyways, from the gallery, we got to, we got to, a couple good ones in from the gallery. So first one is from our former guy, Robbie Fox. Robbie Fox sent me a long text last night. I guess he and you were watching the golf. Yeah, we were watching the tournament last night,

and we were talking about DJ and his dominance, and Bob is just asking, like, why is he so dominant, all that? And a question came up about caddies. And we were sort of just asking, I guess, how did he word it? Because he probably said it better. So he was basically, he's like, so Robbie is not a golf guy. No. But we kind of turned him into it a little bit. And he's a big sports guy.

He went to the Masters. He went to the Masters. And his brother, I think,'s like a huge golfer. Robbie's played one round of golf his whole life. It was a scramble. And it's like the Smitty tournament last year or something like that. But you know what? Not a bad swing.

No. I remember he played in the group behind us in that tournament. And he, they used his ball on the scramble for one of the part threes. He just, like, laced a ball onto the fucking green. It was like within two feet on like a hundred and 70 yard part three. I think he said he's been in the driving range like a good amount of times and hit balls for fun and stuff. But he's never played. golf right so anyways he's um you know he's our our m mma guy and all that type of stuff loves that

my uh band member he's my fellow band member he's what your band member right so he's in a lot of stuff that's not necessarily the golf stuff that's so weird that's a thing but yeah that's like a real accurate sentence yeah he's my he's my brother i think they call i think band members call themselves brothers you guys are your brothers yeah yeah right which is crazy but it's true uh he said i was doing the math how much dustin johnson's caddy makes per year blows my mind to realize that he wins here his brother's going to make something like hundreds of thousands or like hundred thousand dollars or something like that and therefore will have made like over six hundred thousand dollars this year because caddies everyone says they make around 10 percent he goes i get that

he's comfortable with his brother and all that but if if basically he's like if frankie borelli was just his caddy this week in the tournament does dj score change at all by a stroke how many strokes blah it ended up into i guess an interesting discussion of like how influential tangibly concretely is a caddy. Right. So the idea was Frankie gets to do all the things that Austin gets to do leading up to the week. So he goes out there well. I go early in the week, walks to the course, does all these things. So you get to do everything that Austin does. And then when you're on the bag that week, like, how does that change Dustin's score at the end of the tournament? Like how many strokes is Austin Johnson Worth? I think the difference is, I think there's, I think he makes an

unbelievable amount of difference compared to what I would do out there. Really? Yes. I mean, he just can read greens better. He knows certain shots. How often does DJ actually ask his brother to read a green? I know, but he's in charge, isn't his brother in charge of setting up that book for him the whole entire week leading up to the tournament? Like, that book is just going to be, me, I'm just going to be scribbling in it. Like, I'm just going to be writing doodles and stuff. Like, there's going to be no, there's going to be no information in there that he's going to really, uh, he's going to be going out there just blind. Yeah, I guess that's a good point. No, it's definitely not zero. I think the stroke difference. Now, I would say, Anybody on tour is close to zero, it's Dustin Johnson. I feel like he's just... True. You know what I mean? Yep.

You could put a machine out there that just carried his bag for him, and, like, I don't know that would really change much for DJ. Now, if you got some, like, if you took somebody at Bryson Des Chambot, like, that lunatic, and you just put... I'd end up with a five iron around my neck. That's what I mean. Like, that guy, I feel like if he doesn't have the perfect guy, he's, like, eight shots worse.

I'd love to see you with John Rom. Or Bubba. Yeah. Right. Correct. Those guys... Bubba blames his professional cat. Correct.

You know what I mean? And the caddy has to be able to bounce back off them perfectly and all that. And that's like those guys are very volatile and they feel like everything. Kind of like quirky and different weird whereas DJ, I feel like DJ is just impervious to everything. He could carry his own bag and he'd probably shoot the same. That's kind of what I think. I guess we're, I mean, Dustin Johnson can go out there.

He is the guy who's golfing. He is the guy who's putting. But I think that the 10% also goes into, he has a sense of like security with him on the bag. And even Tiger talks to his caddy being like, you sure. he just needs that reinforcement. Like, that's the club. The intangibles of it being Dustin Johnson's brother, I think, obviously you can't put a number to that. But it's like he's comfortable with Austin out there.

And that probably has more to do with it than like the X's and O's. Because with Dustin Johnson's ability and skill, I can probably get him to Sunday because he's just a good golfer. But then when it comes down to like the actual where it matters and crunch time and, and you know, anytime a caddy steps up in a big situation, it's like life or death for a caddy. I mean, that's where he gets the money. That's, I mean, Thursday through Saturday, I mean, it's the golfer. And then Sunday, it's that one sentence like, this is the club. You have it.

It's this distance. I'm confident. And he goes, all right, and like, giving the perfect proper information in a timely fashion, the way the guy wants to deliver and all that over the course of 72 holes. Right. Definitely matters. And I would say, but what also we're getting to is that it matters per player. Like Jordan Spath, I think, like he fucking needs Michael Gerello.

Like, those guys are perfect. And Spieff again. Michael Grell, what do you always say? Paint the picture. Paint a picture. Just like drill that into Spee said. And I think he doesn't have that. He's different.

Right. And Spieth always says like, we. He always talks about it. You're like, that's your guy. Yeah. Whereas I think other players, again, who are kind of like on an island or like do their own thing anyways, that it wouldn't be as effective. And then you can look at like Roy McElroy, right?

Roy just switched last year to like his best friend is just his catty. Now, keep in mind his best friend's also like a scratch golfer. And like, good. also falls more in the DJ category where he could go out there and shoot very, very well, probably by himself, but he just needs that comfort of like a friend or a brother who's going to help him get through the four rounds and keep a call. Right, because any of these professional golfers can show up to any country club in the world and shoot six under on any given day with just a regular looper. Like, hey, just give me someone to carry my bag. I'm going to go out there and just fucking light it up.

But it's tournament golf is so different. And having a guy that's your team. That's the only guy you get to talk to, rely on, bounce ideas back off of like get positive, to reinforce whatever. So it is not zero because I think basically what Robbie is trying to get to is like, he's like, you're telling me that Austin Johnson is worth $100,000 this week in what he did. And I guess like on any certain given, like maybe not, you know, I don't know how you

would actually determine that or decide that because I can understand how once those numbers get pretty astronomical, right? Like people say like Stevie Williams like top 20 all time and PG a tort money list because of how much money you made off the time. Right. And it's like, you tell him, you know, so I get how it's tricky. And they're not worth that until they win. Yeah, right.

So that's another thing that he has to remember. I mean, Dustin could have just missed the cut. Yep. Could have totally missed the cut or even, right, if he makes like, right, if he makes like 20 grand this week, then the caddy makes like two grand. Right. That's not like much money. Right.

So he's not technically worth the hundred grand until he does his duty and Dustin Johnson wins the tournament. Right. So it's a very, I mean, listen, your cadding for a guy just made a shit ton of money and you just brought him through a tournament and you brought him through, like you said, there's 72 holes, and you were his guy, and you were there for him the entire time. Like, yeah, the 10% is the 10% whether you wait or you lose. That's just what it is, right?

And the other thing is, you know, like, if, let's say he, DJ did only make like 20 grand this week. And his caddy, you know, awesome makes two grand. It's like, well, he got to get, he had to fly there. He had to stay somewhere. He had to, like, do all. So, like, he's like, you know. So it's tricky because caddies, I think caddies are incredibly important, but I think it varies player to player dramatically.

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And this is a weird one because Frankie ever since he got in the office this morning has had this just a weird vibe about him. It's just... You say that it's weird, and we don't even know the subject matter of it. I just know that Frankie has been looking at me like a giggly little child all day, and I don't know what's going on.

I looked at him a few minutes ago, like, hey, you're ready to record? He didn't even... He just looked at me and smiled. Like, he didn't really say anything. He just was kind of like, oh, yeah. He's got a real... You got a bad poker face.

So something happened with... Frankie, what the fuck is going on? All right, so yesterday I golfed with my buddies. You know, Sunday... Sunday round with the boys. And I'm last, and I feel weird today because we, basically, I'll preview this. I got into a massive, massive fight with my friends last night. We were in the parking lot of Borrellys, my Italian restaurant for like two hours, just going

at it. Like girlfriends came and like, we're taking video of us, just not stopping. You guys are like screaming at each other? Yeah. It's essentially, I am the type of person that, I mean, my friends are not listening. They can't wait for this podcast to come out because. they are convinced that I'm an idiot and I'm a loser. But I'm the type of person, I guess you could say that I don't like to lose arguments.

And I, even if I'm wrong, I'm willing to admit that, even if I'm wrong, I will go down swinging. What did you say? Tiger Woods couldn't make like the 1950 Rider Cup team or something. What did you say? For those that don't know, you're listening to the podcast of a guy who said that Wayne Gretzky shouldn't be in the NHL or couldn't be in today's age. No matter where these takes go. If I say them, I just got to stick by them.

So last week you called yourself a dinky twink or something like that. I mean, you've had, yeah, right, your takes are wild. Sometimes they just fly, you know, I have no. What was it? You had another one that was even dumber than the Wayne Gradsky one. It was just, I can't remember. Wow. That's, the wing wrestling.

We worked for a take company at the end of the day, so it's good to have these wild takes sometimes. Yeah, and they come out naturally, to be honest. And I find myself just spinning. And the wheels are spinning. I got to catch traction. I'm fucking loose. This may be, this may be worse for. you, Frankie, but I don't consider you a fabricator of your takes in any way, shape, or form.

It's a horrible. It's a horrible love. You believe these things. He's genuine. He's a genuine take. Which, again, is stomach. I lose sleep over there. That's just shocking. So, you know, it's a long story short. You know, we're out there golfing. Me and my buddy Kyle are facing my two friends, Andrew and Mike. Now, me and Andrew, we have a little bit of a robbery going with golf. He's from Canada. He's from Toronto. Now this whole John DeVaris thing has made us have some bad blood. And, you know, he's like he's a good golfer but I find myself to be you know to the same level as him so when we were going on to this into this golf match he was against us it was me and my buddy Kyle versus Andrew and Mike and I wanted to beat the shit out of him even though we're not playing for that much money I just wanted to win a match right we're playing one of my favorite public courses on Long Island where was it what is that track by it look real Mill Pond and they're huge stoolers over there shout out to Mill Pond unreal people they always they always just set us up real nice love those guys you looked like golden it was really nice You would love that course because it's fun.

It's kind of short. Like it's 60, I think it's like 6,500 yards from the back. I noticed because you had a bunch of wedges, a little wedges in. Yeah, yeah, it's short. Which was controversial. Yeah, the butter knives were out to play yesterday. First one. I mean, first one was, it was laugh out, funny.

Yeah, so I'll take a pause in this story right now to tell you that I have never in my life received so many messages on on Instagram. Then when I put up that first video and people have just been, I mean, the people have been mean. about my swing. Well, that's the risk you run with putting your swing on there, because Riggs did it when you guys were at Cabot. Correct. And it takes a manly, it takes a lot of courage, I'll say, to put your swing on the internet, because people are going to be mean. Frankie, people are messaging me about what you should do about your butternife.

Listen, like, they're like, hey, Riggs, you got to talk to Frankie about like this, this, this and this. Apparently, people think that my back swing is on fast forward. One person said, Frankie, is your swing stuck on double time? And someone, I mean, I'm just going through him right now. That's a house of horror isn't there. I'm going to looking through that. Frankie, what the fuck swing was that?

Bro, you stop spinning your club. You suck and you know it. Yeah, no, people. It's, it's slow that back swing down chief. That's the fastest swing east of the Mississippi. I mean, it's tough when he adds chief. Yeah, just like slow that back swing down chief. And people were surprised.

We had three lefties in the group, dominated for some. I couldn't tell if you had the mirror thing. Because sometimes when you film. No, something in selfie mode, it's like mirrored. You know what I mean? Makes righties look lefties. People were stunned that we had three lefties. Anyway, so we're a group.

So the fucking, the sandwiches were out, the butter and eyes were kicking. I mean, they were sharpened. Someone sharpened my goddamn buttered eyes before that round because I skull fucked five balls across the fair, across the green. I was 20 yards away from the green in one, and I made a six. Let's not talk about that, though. I will say this, Frankie, for a guy that's going through the demons that you're going through, you're still swinging pretty aggressively on these shots. You're not like backing off.

No. Which again, I don't, I'm not good enough or smart enough to understand if that's a problem. I have to slow down my side. But like, you're not, you know, a lot of guys would be like tentative and like, I don't know, hitting some fucking crafty shot that they bandated together because they're blading every wedge over the green like you are. But you're, I mean, you're just taking pretty aggressive hacks out. I'm trying, man. It's not working out.

Not working at all. This is what I've told you guys. At the end of the end up in Fescue. I could be 11 yards off the green and I end up in Fescue. Like, I'm not, I'm really going for it. I'm like thinking I can have spin and backsman and the whole thing. never happens. So we go into this match and we're playing, me and my buddy's lost, me and my friend lost

the front nine. We're going to the back. I actually strung together a couple good holes. We ended up coming all the way back. We get to the 15th hole and we're all square, right? And we're playing match play. And I know Riggs, you play a lot of match play. And it gets...

Live for match play. So match play, this is my problem. Match play is all about what guidelines I think you set, like, to start the day, right? Like, you kind of get a feel for how, what kind of putt skies are giving each other and, like, how the match is going to go. And obviously, in the beginning, it's a little more lenient. And then as it gets, as it gets later in the day, my friends kept saying the word situational decisions, it kind of changes. Oh, boy. Which I have a problem with, which we'll get to.

I think things should be a little bit more black and white, so there's no room for debate. But. Oh, boy. Yeah, this is bad. So. I like where this is going. I know. So we get to the 15th hole.

all square. I was kind of out of the hole. I hit one at OB, ended up I ended up hitting another one. And I was like on the green putting for like bogey. And the other guys are on in two, right? So we're, so it's my buddy Kyle versus my buddy Andrew. They're in the hole. And I'm like, I'm out there like a hawk, like making sure like Kyle gets this fucking hole because we're going into 16, a hard part three. And I'm like, we need to get this hole. Andrew has about a 50 foot put slider from across the green. and you know we're being pretty lenient all day if someone makes a really long put on a public golf course like this it's kind of a hard place to put because they're super slow yeah um so this guy nails a lot of foot traffic and stuff yeah this guy nails like a 50 foot put that goes to like four feet maybe right four and a half feet and guys i know my friends are listening i am going to be honest here i'm not going to try and mess this story so that i'm right i'm going to say everything that happened honestly it went to four or five feet i looked at my friend and you know this rigs and Trent when you don't say anything after someone makes a put that means something right silence means something in match

play it's either like you say that's sending a message that's like listen like you're going to put that shit correct right so andrew putts it to about four feet and i give kyle a noise this has been a part of the huge debate what noise they gave him i give kyle my partner a noise going like i thought kyle was going to say that's good but i stopped him i said oh i don't know like i'm in his ear so kyle looks at me he denies that kyle looks at me he denies that kyle looks at of me and he goes like looks right through me like he understood what I meant like we're not giving him that

fucking put there's no chance it's 15 he's four feet out he needs to make his own par Kyle accepts that to my knowledge and he puts his ball down he marks it whatever and he's ready to putt in my head I'm like we're fucking Kyle's going to two put this and Andrew's going to miss that and we're going to go on to 16 with the lead correct that's where my

mind is Kyle putts to 25 foot put to about this is another point of contention I'd say it was about a foot. And I'm like, tap that thing and let's fucking go in my head. Kyle walks up to the ball and just out of nowhere goes, good, good. And just like, let's Andrew pick up the ball. And I was sitting behind.

Now this is my partner. I'm standing behind him going, well, now what the fuck does that mean? Now he's making me look like an asshole saying like, well, what the fuck? Right? Yep. So now me and my partner are kind of like in a thing like, well, then, like they're like, well, why couldn't I do that? This is where the argument happens, right? So obviously there was miscommunication between me and my friend, which happens, me and my partner.

My problem and what would cause this argument in Borrelli's parking lot was that I said, I do not think it's right or even like you can use the word moral or like ethical to, because I couldn't think of like the word. Like I didn't think it was the correct move because for Kyle to be able to say, all right, Andrew's four feet away. We are deciding that his putt is now too far to mark, to, to, to, to, to, to give him a gimmie. But after I saw how my putt went, now of a sudden we can decide on what he's going to do.

I thought Kyle was completely wrong in the situation. I'm like, so Kyle, if you knock this putt 15 feet past the hole, all of a sudden now Andrew's ball is just in play, like he has to put it? And they're saying, yeah, that's a good good. How do good goods come about? And I'm saying, I thought it was wrong to say, to use his shot as like a backstop. I'm like, I think that's like a scared tactic. or it might be a scared tactic but it's not wrong like you can definitely just do that right this is what

they were saying and i was just and that's his decision like sorry frank it you blew it you're out of the hole that's not like your call correct your partner's playing his ball and if he determines like i just want to go good good because i'm fucking shaking like a leaf on a tree or whatever he decides like i think he's got way more say that you do in that situation and that was and listen like all of the say so so there is no truth to what i'm saying at all where like it's when you're approaching a put and you and you like he we just saw that that putt was too far to have a gimmie after you put that ball now now you can rechange your decision is that like definitely and that's accepted amongst all games of match play yeah i mean you can

determine that that guy's put is good or not until he hits it like even if you want to stand there and he lines it up goes all the way through takes two practice strokes steps in and then you go good Like, you can do that. So, Rick, so. So, see, this is, this is, this is what happened last night. Well, it's not. I mean, no, I'm just wrong. Wrong.

I know. And I'm, I'm, and the more we talk this out, the more we're getting to. The more we, the more we would talk to this out, I'll be wrong. I'll be wronger and wronger. But my question was saying, all right, now, when, rigs, when you step up to a ball and you're playing with a partner, are you guys, like, making communication saying, oh, let's see how I end up and then we'll see if he's good. Does that stuff happen?

I would say generally that's not a factor. However, on the green, in that situation, that's not like wildly uncommon for someone to not give a putt. Then that same person puts their own, looks at the situation, and then offers to somebody like, all right, fine, you want to go good, good, done. Like that happens. That just happens. That's just what it is. I don't, you know, I understand that you could be upset. What it sounds like is like your partner should have consulted with you and you would have said, no, dude.

like you finish out and then make him fucking put because I think he's going to miss. And you guys could have that own conversation or whatever. But once he offers good good and all that, like, it's over. I mean, the only reason he's offering the good good is he doesn't think he can make that one-foot putt? He said he was a putt that he had to stand over. And he felt a little. And he also saying he said he felt a little uneasy about putting it, but he also was saying he didn't want to win on Andrew missing a four-foot put.

That's the Jack Nicholas. I mean, one of the, I think it was. I can't remember which year it was the Rider Cup and Nicholas. The guy's playing it. Nicholas is already in for X score. Or no, Nicholas makes a putt to get in for like par. The other guy had left his birdie putt like three and a half feet short. And Jack had a mark it.

And then after Jack made his own putt, he picked up his mark. And that was to lose the rider cup if the guy would have missed it. And a lot of people were like, what the fuck was that? And Nicholas always says, I know he wasn't going to miss the puck. put, but I didn't want to give him the opportunity to. So, I mean, if Jack Nichols says it, like, you know. And he's a jack guy. We argue. He is. He's a huge Jack guy. Clearly is a huge Jack guy. Clearly is a huge Jack guy. Listen, I would be on your, I'm on your side of like, if you're the closer and better position, the other thing is you have, once you start putting, you have the

opportunity to finish. So if I was your buddy, I would have kept my turn and finished that put up and made it. And then that other guy's four-footer becomes way harder. Versus if that guy makes his four-footer first, then your buddy's one and a half footer becomes way harder. Right. Right. So it's like, that's when it gets tricky too. I don't, I guess it's all up to him, dude. If he's like, I don't feel great about making that putt, then go good, good, and we'll try

to get in a better situation on 16. Right. So I think that the debate really got away from me when it turned into me saying, and they're going to like that I'm saying is the debate turned when I said that that just doesn't happen in match play. I was just, I was very adamant in saying, I don't think partners like, you. go up to each other and be like, let's wait and see how our shot results and basically using it as a backstop. Because they're saying that that's gamesmanship, but I'm also saying that gamesmanship would be like what you just said.

Like, make the fucking putt and make him knock it in. Like, I think it's the opposite of gamesmanship. I think gamesmanship means I'm going to, I have two putts right now to tie him at best. I'm going to make the first one, number one. And if I don't, I'm just going to tap up the second one. Yeah, I mean, look, I get what you're saying, but I think the where, where you're, where, you're wrong is that thinking that this is like one in a million.

Right. This is like pretty common. And that's where I was completely wrong. I thought it was like unethical. I'm like you're, I'm like you're making him do like a... It does feel a little, it's not unethical because that's too strong, but I know exactly what you're saying. Like there's a word of... You're using it as a crutch. You're using the fact that that guy hit his put like a little

outside the leather as like a crutch to feel more confident on your own situation and then use that as like leverage if you need it. And he clearly in that situation, felt like he might as well use it while he's got it, which is, you know, it's also tough here because the, actually seeing the putts makes a huge difference. Yeah, it does.

Like, understanding of it's like a foot and a half above the hole and he's got a slider versus like the other guy's guy. I just don't know, but again, it's up, like, you don't have much say here, Frank, because it's up to your buddy who's actually in the hole and he made that call. It's just, you're on to the next hole. Were you guys like, you and him, like, kind of battling at that point? Did you guys not talk to us the way? Because you know what the weird thing is?

I think that I knew I was upset about something. And I just didn't know at the time whether it was, I mean, everyone's laughing. Because you said I was upset about something. I didn't know. I didn't know if I wanted to call out my partner mid-round saying, like, I think you shouldn't make a decision without me. Because I thought that was like fucking the dick, the most dick thing to say ever. We were having a great day. Like nothing happened for 14 holes.

Then the 15th old, like, my friend, one of my best friends just, like, just shocked me. And I was like. In a negative way. Like, you want to win the match. Like, I wanted to win. And so I was afraid. I was mad about that. And I tried to, like, come up with a reasoning as to why I was so, man.

I couldn't think of, like, instead of just being a man about it and being like, why the fuck did you let him not put? I was trying to be like, that doesn't happen. You just did something that, like, golf is not. Frowns upon. And I was pretty adamant about that. Because honestly, I'm not even just made. making it up. I've caddied for like four years. I've been around matchplay all the time. Never once did I experience, and this is probably just bad luck by me or just me being,

you know, not in the right situations or even me just not understanding the game that much as I thought I did. I never once saw a partner in a match play, like, consult each other about whether or not their, their putt was going to affect the goodness of the opponent's putt, ever. I just never experienced it. You guys didn't have that conversation. He just made the call because it was his own put versus the other guy's own pot. Which, like, I would say, even in the Dell, like, or the WGC matchplay,

like, there are ties where they go good, good. Yeah. Which is, like, that's just what you do. The argument fell apart and burst it into frames when they, flames, when they asked me, all right, Frank, so what is good, good? And how does it come to be if you're saying it's not a thing? And I just didn't have an answer.

Because it is a thing. Because it's absolutely. And it happened. And I was, like, trying to say, well, I'm like, I was trying to say that the situation leading up to the good good has a huge factor. I was throwing out anything I could. I'm like if two guys are chipping and one guy gets to five feet

and the other guy gets to four feet, you know, it's good, good. But if one guy's on like the lip and the other guy is five feet away, like how, where, there has to be a black and white line. The other thing, so a couple things, too, I want to add, is that usually in like a two-on-two matchplay situation, each team has just like an unwritten type A player who, like, makes the good calls. Like a lot of times the other guy will just defer. to like whoever the type A type personality is on their team as like what do you think is that good?

So usually it's like somebody kind of makes the call on the team. And this is this will add a little bit of a wrinkle. He's probably not going to like that I brought this part up, but it's a huge part now that you brought that up. On like the second hole, Andrew, who's on the opposing team, who's the one who I wanted to beat, lips out and goes to about six feet. And Kyle, my partner goes to put the pin in the hole. This is like the second or third hole. And I backed Kyle off.

I said, stop. And that is not good Right And I even said I'm like I'm sorry Andrew That he made me just do that Because I feel like an asshole saying No you have to put it

But you want to put it And even Kyle was like I don't know why He goes I just like wasn't even thinking Like I didn't realize how far he was He sounds like Kyle might be a little bit of a space kid at him No he's really not though That whole

That must have just been in my mind When we got up to 15 And he made that decision Because that's just the way I play I genuinely thought that you don't I thought you made the decision before you made that final putt. I didn't think that you were able to use the other person's... So, like, I've also...

No, I get that point, but I think that you're overvaluing the, like, pre-context. Right. Whereas, like, once you're in a circle, like, around the hole that could possibly be considered a good, good circle, I don't think in a lot of people's minds... I guess, like, it does kind of matter how you got there. Like, if someone had 10 feet for Bertie and they ran it four feet by or something, you'd be, I gotta fucking see that. Whereas like if somebody would have hit like an awesome lag putt to like what she did three and a half four feet

That'd be more likely to be given because that's like actually a good shot that they hit him So like yes that stuff matters but I think this whole Idea of you saying like Philosophically you can't use like The maybe goodness of someone else's put as you're hitting your own put But that's just it just happens like I just think it it happens and and the worst part is then on 17 so we ended up tying on that hole 16 I'm sorry

So yeah We end up tying on that hole That was 15 That was 15 16 they take back the hole So now we're down one Oh no And 17 I end up 17 comes up

And we hadn't really talked about this We just let it go Like immediately I was like I thought I actually used the word dog shit I'm like I thought that was just a dog shit I just like turn into a monster But the other thing you understand Dude this is what I always do in this situation

Because I've had a partner give a put I didn't think he should give. You just always assumed they were going to make it anyways. That was four feet. He was going to make it. Done. Doesn't matter. Done.

Right. And you just move on. Right. So I didn't have that in my mind. I was kind of pissed. But I wasn't saying anything. We get to 17. I'm in the hole now.

Kyle's kind of out of it. I have a putt for par. Andrew putts a long putt for par misses. And apparently I just screamed out like, that's good. Because I knew in my head, even if I two putt, because I'm having the same philosophy going into this all as I did 15. I'm like, I'm going to. to let him just be good and then I'm going to make my putt.

I didn't think that I could use his as a crush because that's how I was thinking that day. That's another mindset that people have is like when somebody's, if you've got a put for the same score that someone else has and they're much closer or very close to the whole, a lot of times like I'll just give it to them because it makes my putt, I'm more likely to make it if I know I have to make it versus thinking there's a chance that if I miss, we might be okay. Right. Right.

So I've thought, like, usually it's like a put that like a lot of people would give anyways, but I'll definitely give it just to like get it over with. so that I know I have to make money. Right. So we ended up doing that. I'm like, hey, have it. Apparently it was like a six-foot put that I didn't realize. It was behind the hole.

And it was like a six-foot putt that... Uh-oh, Frankie. Uh-oh, Frankie. But I nailed like a 20-foot par puttut, and we won the hole. It was like a huge put. So I'm thinking, like, I did the right thing because, like, I made a decision. We walked off the hole with a win. And, you know, like, that's just, like, I thought I was right.

So walking off the golf course, I knew what I did on 17 was correct. I thought what he did on 15 was horrible. horribly incorrect and then when we got to beryl's and we're arguing about it because someone brought it up i don't know how it came up we're like mid chicken parm and someone's like well at 15 was a disaster i'm like well let's talk about 15 i think you're like immoral and you should go to like confession at church i'm like i was talking like i didn't say that i'm just like i thought you were like being a man on 17 like all right correct i thought i did the right thing i thought he was completely how was he not being a great guy on 15 like he's being the same

right okay i was just wrong all right we're not going to beat this like you Yeah, I don't know what else to tell you, Frankie. Like, sounds like you got... It's a good story, but you were wrong. Yeah, it feels like you're pretty wrong. I mean, hopefully it opens up the door to some people that are playing matchplay. I really think that matchplay should have some more black and white rules to it. But that's the beauty of it, too.

That's like the beauty of it. I know. It's a little more, like, relaxed. You make decisions. Like, you got a, you know, it's not like necessarily throughout the whole round, knock down, drag out. You got a mark and line up like one and a half footers all day. Like, so that's just good.

You're good. Whatever. Move on. And everybody treats it a little differently. And it gets a little narrower as you get down the stretch. But anyways, this is kind of related. Mark, we got a guy Mark who says, he goes in this long story. I'm going to shorten it a little bit.

But he says basically he can't put well inside of 10 feet unless he's drinking. He just, he can't. And he's like, my whole group of buddies is when we play golf, like we usually play where I got families and stuff, we usually play pretty early on like Saturday or Sunday morning. No one else in the group drinks, really, like while we play golf. Like maybe guys do 19th hole after. People don't drink at all while they play golf. And he's like, on the front nine, I typically, I just, I can't put well because I haven't had any drinks yet.

Get a couple drinks in me. I put lights out from inside 10 feet. He's like, so what do I do? He's like, it's a weird thing where I'm like the only guy drinking in my group because I knock in 10 footers or what do I do? What's his name? This guy's name is Mark. Mark has a drinking problem. That's the answer.

If Mark's brain is allowing him to do things better and operate at a higher, you know, success rate when he just intoxicated, then I think that that's what his brain is telling him he needs to do. And then that's like step one of admitting a problem. It's not even that he's better at it when he is drinking. It's that he can't do it when he's not drinking. That's the issue of it. He's like pretty much I'm like terrible. I can't even like pot inside of 10. He's addicted.

To go to what you got, I'm glad you respond to that way because what he said was he didn't even ask if it's like cool or not that he's. does this. He said, I was wondering if there's a better, more socially acceptable low-key drink to start my golf day out besides getting a core full of beers at 7.30 in the morning. Yeah, it's just called transfusion. Definitely. Yes. But he's not even trying to absolve himself with the issue. He's not like, what can I do instead of doing this? He is, how can I hide it and still do it? He's like, this is just what's happening and we're going to continue. What's a more efficient way that I can just get fucking plastered on the first whole? Right. Right. Waiting to the eighth.

I think what you do, if we're going to enable this guy, you start drinking before you get to the course. Yeah, just you can't drive to the course. No, no, of course not. You take an Uber, but then that's not drinking in front of it. You're still drinking alone. You're going to be drinking alone anyway with other people around. But if you've got to drink before, just get a little looped up before the match. Yeah, the other thing is put a like whip up a mixie into a water bottle, make it look like you're just drinking a water bottle.

And it's actually, you know, a transfusion. I can't. I can't. How do you play the more you drink? I can't do it. I'm a lot like a classic beer pong bell curve. Yep. Right?

Like there's a certain point after a couple where I'm lights out. And it's like peak combination of everything. But then it's a couple after that where I slide off a cliff. It goes downhill real quick. Right. But there might be a six or seven whole stretch. It's like, wow, Riggs is fucking sick today. Oh, man.

And then it's like he came and walked. Like, what does he do? The day that I got picked up from my mom at Glen Oaks, that day I was seeing two balls when I looked down at the T. And I just couldn't do it. I mean, I don't know how people get that drunk. I mean, this guy apparently just nails when he gets that drunk, but I just couldn't swing.

I could have swung and missed every single time I looked down at the ball. I have no coordination when I'm drunk. That's transfusions. Transfusions. Yeah. That's, I mean, that's just what happens. I was, we did Glen Oaks. Glen Oaks is an awesome place.

We did Glen Oaks, me and lurched last weekend. Oh, yeah. And again, the double cup, the double cup. It feels great. Sturdy. It's just so sturdy. It's just so sturdy. It's really a no-brainer.

They double cup them, and it's just. The draws are great. Yeah, because a lot of times when you're out on the course, you know, there's uneven lies and terrain and grass and, like, setting your thing down. You don't feel great about it. Like, if somebody shakes the ground a little bit too much, you could be toast to see you later transfusion. They double cup them up there. I mean, the thing feels like it's like cemented to the ground. Like nothing's going to happen to.

It really does. We got a guy. So this crew, the guy asked to remain anonymous, but he said there's a guy at their golf club. They all play in like the same group every, every weekend, you know, the classic like Saturday group. He said one of the guys in their group, he's the scorekeeper, he's the pencil guy, he always keeps score. And they know, they know after like the last year or so experiencing this trial and error. They've just been doing it for a year. They know that this guy is shaving strokes.

He always keeps score and he's shaving strokes and they fucking know it. They said that they know he listens to the podcast. So they said to tell Sean, S-H-A-U-N, to say. stop cheating, basically. I love that. I love how passive-aggressive that is. Sean just got that, like, hot sensation. Yeah.

We're right down his spine. Oh, man, his, like, knees are tingling right now. Sean is, Sean's ass is in the jackpot. Sean, stop fucking cheating. I know you're out there. You're listening. Just, what are you doing, man? So he's what?

So he's keeping score. He gets a seven, but when he gets to the score card, he just writes a six. Something like that. I mean, shaving strokes, right? So he's probably, like, thinking on that hole, I don't know if they know that I, like, took this drop over there.

Like, I'm going to tell him I got a five, even though it was a double. What was a six? Like, he's just been doing that, shaving some strokes. And they said he's been winning money for the last year. He fucking, Sean wins all the time. Taking money too, huh? Taken money. Said we wouldn't have done this.

We wouldn't have submitted this unless it was like pretty serious, but he's fucking winning money and shit all the time. They know he's shaving strokes. So Sean, stop fucking cheating. Just stop. I love how cow. It's a bit cowardly from the people who wrote in. They did say, they admit it.

They were like, this is kind of like, we just don't, we just don't have what it to approach him about it. So we know he listens to the podcast. Can you just say something to it? I love that. It's a great move. So stop cheating, Sean. And the last thing I want to bring up, while we've got Frankie,

I heard from a little birdie that Ryan Whitney, he lost his match this weekend in devastating fashion. My friend, a little birdie texted me and said Whitney and his partner with a devastating loss at the Bowen Cup, whatever big tournament he was playing in this past weekend at Woll. He said the guy that were playing drained a 20-footer for Bertie on 18. He said it was the coldest-looking interaction afterwards that he's ever seen his entire life. I'm picturing Ryan Whitney walking off the 18th hole after he just got daggered in the heart with his head down, just like the Muppet he is, just being like, I just played fucking 18 holes against this fucking coward, pheasant, and he just nailed me on the 18th. I know that it affected him, and it's still affecting him right now. That makes me happy. So it's tough because Witt, I know you can't defend yourself.

You're just not here right now. But I had, I mean, this type of information, I just have to rely it. You're just like a reporter. I'm reporting the information. Oh, wait. That's just what happened. I mean, it's a bad, I love Wriggin on Whitney, but I mean, this is a tough podcast specifically for me to be able to do it because he can just say, Frankie just doesn't know how to play match play. Yeah.

Which is almost tougher than, you know, losing in a horrible fashion. 20 foot 30 on 18 18 at walliston 2 is the hardest toll on the golf game so like nobody ever makes bird it just doesn't happen and Whitney looks forward to these matches so much and it's his whole life now it's his whole life yeah literally the hits his it's his life it's what he is he channels everything that he brought to playing in the NHL for like nine years all of that all that athleticism that competitiveness the passion all of that he channels into like a handful of golf tournaments a year and this is one of those he was one of those he was was so pumped talking about it last week in the podcast. Dagger out of the truth. Bruteless. Fucking Whitney, get the fuck off the course. Like,

I love that. It's just him walking off the course with his head down. Just, he's probably just muttering to himself. I can't believe that way then. I can't believe that way then. What the fuck did that go in? Oh, man.

I'm looking forward. Whitney's going to come down sometime in the fall and we're going to play. We'll do a little, we will do a nice match. We'll be out there. There'll be good goods going on. See, now I know.

Now I know what. now I know what to look for. Now I'm, listen, I was, I thought I was being the right guy. I really thought I was calling out my partner for doing the wrong thing. I genuinely thought it.

I didn't want to argue with them. And, you know, we have great times. I've never gotten into that much of a debate. I think here's the thing, though, is you, you're right in the sense that you can disagree and be like,

we shouldn't have given him that put, but you're wrong and, like, bringing in, and it's, like, immoral. Like, he challenged, like, the humanity.

He's, like, not human because he did that. I'm wrong by thinking that he did it. He made a dog shit move by, I kept using that word on there. It was my word for the day. That was your keyword. He made a dog shit move by using his opponent's putt as a backstop. I genuinely thought that was frowned upon.

But I am wrong. I am a big enough person right now to admit. I am wrong. I'm wrong. You're wrong. We can talk about it more. We do two shows a week. We'll be back on Thursday.

Tiger Woods will be back on Thursday. Yes. Back to back weeks. Lovely. The WGC Firestone last time around there. So, you know, it'll be kind of sad, whatever. But then, like I said, we got back-to-back weeks, huge fields. Tigers playing back-to-back weeks.

A lot of good stuff. My friend actually got a Tiger Fusion back shirt from his girlfriend. He said he was walking around the apartment. He said his back just felt like stiff and like nice. Like he was walking around with just like our uptight and great posture. I'm like, there's got to be something in there. There must be KT tape on the other side of that strip on the back. Got it.

I think you're right. We got to get those. We do. We got to get the fusion shirts. He says it feels great. He said like he's walking around the house, like taking pisses in him. Like he's standing up straight. Unbreakable spine.

Even if it's like, even if it's a placebo effect, who cares, you know? Can you imagine wearing that doing like yard work where it like kind of usually hurts your back? You're picking up a bunch of bags of like sand and dirt and you're just wearing that fucking shirt and you just feel like a monster. Like you do five times the yard work that you usually do because you had the fusion shirt on it. I feel like, too, like, do you pick up 20 yards off the tea with that on you, think? 30? Oh, yeah. I think so, yeah.

Swings speed goes from, like, you're like 103 to, like, 115 all of a sudden. You're just roasting the golf bowl. And people are like, that's a fusion shirt. Holy shit. Yeah. I can see a wife nag and a husband. Like, you got to go out and just do the yard, man. Like, we were having people over and he's, like, really tired, but he throws on that

fusion shirt and just walks out like a fucking stud. Some people use, like, Adderall. He's just, I need my fusion shirt. It's like Superman in the phone booth. Yeah, exactly. Go in there, put that fucker on? Exactly. Do all the yard work.

Well, I'm sorry, guys. I know they're listening. I mean, I kind of ruined a great day. Although, you all know, especially you, Riggs, there's nothing better than a good old fucking argument after a round of golf. See, absolutely bad. We all knew what we were doing. We all texted afterwards.

We're like, that was still a good day. You're wrong, Frank. You're fucking wrong. Frankie, you cemented that match in your guys' like memories forever. Yes. That'll be like the Frankie dog shit, good, good day. And I won. We ended up winning.

We played an extra hole. We went back to one. They put it in the Fescue 15 times. We won on a bogey. Your crew will never forget that day you won. Yeah. The good good day. So actually,

turns out it was a pretty good day for me. He might be a genius. All right. We'll be back Thursday. Thanks for listening. Hit it hard. Hit it hard. I hit it home.

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