Fore Play - Full Marathon with Kevin Kisner

Episode Date: December 8, 2020

Kevin Kisner (70:54), our closest pal on tour, joins the show for about 90 minutes. We cover a lot: Kiz gaining distance, how the universe ends, Tiger stories, inside a week on tour with Kiz, “Wad Wednesday,”  college football, the scramble match, learning how to handle nerves, how badly the tour needs fans, and much, MUCH more!You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

Hey, 4Play listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Hello, everyone. Thank you very much for listening. Quick programming note here. We recorded for a little over an hour just amongst ourselves. We did our thing. Ha-ha, very funny, cool.

Then we connected with our buddy Kevin Kisner, the 25th ranked player in the world. We went for another, I don't know, 90 minutes or so. So this one's a marathon. It's a long show. Please enjoy. Thank you for listening. Let's do this. Big week.

We've got the final major of the year, the 75th U.S. Women's Open in Houston. Obviously, it's a weird year. COVID schedules all got messed up, twisted up, which works out great. Because now in December, when it's pretty much golf season's over, a lot of these guys are posting on Instagram, Twitter, about how they're in the offseason. We've still got the most important major in all of women's golf, the 75th U.S. women's open. We're going to, on Thursday show, we're having an interview or two. from some very, very impressive women in the women's game to kind of highlight and go through a little bit more of the tournament. Again, it's down in Houston, Cypress Creek at Champions Golf Club.

There's actually, if you go to USGA's website, I did it this weekend. You can do, they have sick flyovers. And, you know, we obviously are big on the drone game. Flyovers. We're obsessed with it. Footage porn, wherever you want to call it. They got sick whole by whole flyovers of this golf course, which looks fantastic and very, very difficult. So it's a big week. We're going to talk a little bit about the U.S. Women's Open today, and then we're going to talk a lot about it on Thursday show. But it's a major, it's their most important one.

It means it's the U.S. Open. So one of the U.S. Open's the biggest thing. This show, we've got myself, Trent, and Frankie. Lurch is not here. He is working, slinging drones. Hopefully he'll be here for the interview. I think tonight we're interviewing and having his glorious return to the show of Kevin Kisner. So I'm going to tease that now.

We'll just have to cut this out if he doesn't make it. You know, Kiz has a life. He has a foundation that he runs. He has young children that he has to tend to. So tonight we're going to Zoom with Kiz once he puts the kids to sleep. Then he has a little bit of time to chat with the boys. So we'll catch up. He obviously lost in a playoff a couple weeks ago, but made over $700 grand.

He's had a pretty damn good year, but it's been a weird year. He played really well at the PGA championship. So we've got a lot to get into with kids. So he'll be joining in a little bit. And we're going to rip through a bunch of from the galleries. but gentlemen hello how are you doing well did you speaking of um drones did you see michael jordan's new golf course the grove is actually sending in um drones of beer from the clubhouse out to tea boxes that video is going i mean that drone was like a helicopter do you see that thing it's it's

it's the most elite drone of all times got like 24 propellers on it it's the most loud fucking like military drone i've ever seen in my entire life but the amount of beer at hell and just the whole like process and of being on a T-box and the experience of seeing that, like the fucking, what the, an air drop. That's what I was thinking of. Is that what it's called an air drop and called? Yeah, that's one of the best terms too in all the golf when people are called an Airstrike. Air Strike.

I think the first time I ever heard Airstrike was actually at Wingfoot. I was out there with my boy Shane, Teddy and a handful of cool guys out there in that crew. And obviously we have all our connections with Wingfoot now. But this was like three or four years ago. the show was just bare bones myself and Trent Robbie Fox, our producer, and I got invited out there. It was like a Sunday afternoon. And then like on the 11th or 12th hole, they're like, oh, we're going to call in an airstrike. And I was like, does that mean like, you know, you're going to curse me and I make triple? Like, what does that mean? They're like, no, we're going to call it an air strike.

And, you know, you had one of the guys from the shop came out in a cart and dropped off a bag of drinks. We just had ourselves a lovely afternoon. One of the best terms in all of golf, air strike. And this is a legitimate air strike. It's literally coming in from the air, dropping down, grabbing your year. So that was really cool. And Michael Jordan just, if he owns a golf course, you expect things like that to happen. He's just got all the money in the world. He's a huge golfer. And it's probably the best place to belong of all time. M.J. is, I will say, I'm glad the last dance, I'm glad that, obviously that it happened and that I was able to, like, watch it and consume it and understand fully Michael Jordan, because pretty much, I feel like through our generation, there's two.

two names. It's like Tiger Woods and Michael Jordan. And I've argued forever that like Tiger Woods is done more for his sport and he's become such this global figure. And Jordan was just like a little before that. Like I was a little too young and I wasn't that crazy into basketball. But like Michael Jordan is the coolest motherfucker of all time, like of all times. The fact that he's huge into golf created this fantasy playland in the grove where it's, they're just dropping off drinks and beers and cocktails from the fucking sky with a legit drone that's 10. times more powerful than any of the drones that we have. It's cool. Speaking of drones, I got my drone back. Apparently. What? I just got a text. So I want to give a shout out to a guy

who emailed me and was like, hey, I actually work in roofing in the in Florida, in the state of Florida. I go off to all kinds of different things. You know, which course did you guys lose it at? I'll contact the course and I'll just, I have the equipment. I'll just go get it down for you. I was like, that'd be amazing. He contacted the course. The course is like, We're private, fuck off. So that didn't work. But I do big thanks to that guy because he was willing to do it. And then ultimately, I was able to contact folks that we worked with, who spoke to the

course. And I just thought the course would be like, yeah, yeah, we'll work on it. We would never hear from ever again. And then this weekend, I just got a random picture texted to me from one of our guys. And it was just a photo of my drone on a desk. And he's like, yeah, they got it. And now I just spent fucking $1,800 last week on a new drone. you gotta have it.

But I mean, now we got three drones. Frankie's got one. I got one. I got one. I have a question. Do people know what we're talking about? Yes, because I said that I lost my drone in a tree. Okay.

But they don't know the details of why because we have dangling in front of their, you know, little Christmas fadism. The fact, yes. Okay. I couldn't remember. I couldn't remember what since one of those things we're getting where the time shifts and I don't remember what we said. We just know that you lost a drone in a tree.

It was very, very funny. And now you got it back, which is good, because I did not think you were going to get that drone. We're performing the sexual act of edging on all of our listeners, where we get them to the point where they're about to climax and then we stop. And then they go, ah, what? We're extending the feeling until these videos come out. Yeah, and I hate to do that too much because I'm sure that pisses people,

that pisses some people off. But I just wanted to make sure that they all sort of had an idea. idea of what we were talking about. It wasn't just us three idiots talking about your drone that got stuck in a tree. And you're right, Trent, because we did this weird move that we've never done before, where we filmed all kinds of stuff incognito under the radar. It's going to take a few months before we start to release it and people know what happened. And then that night, we recorded a full podcast detailing the entire day. And Trent's referring to the fact that we may have just never even told you that the drone went into the tree outside of that show that you haven't

listened to yet. Correct. Who really fucking knows? point is my drone went into a tree we were filming with a very prominent pjator superstar i flew my drone into a fucking tree and it just stayed in the tree nobody could get it all day long we had to use frankie's drone and then now my drone has been returned to me so big thanks to the whoever got it out of the tree i don't know it's just a mysterious figure but i have now two drones yeah we got we got an army an army drone a drone of army an army of drones is what i was going for that yikes a fleet you could say a fleet. A fleet.

I couldn't get those words out. What's the thing Coley Mick says? It's like a flock of, it's something like a flock of birds. It's in his, isn't it in his, I'm really butchering this now. It's in his Twitter bio. Coley Mick, who's our

editor-in-chief, oh, he took it out now. Fucking Coley-Mick fucked me. A flock of geese is known as a swarm. A swarm. I remember that being a huge debate on Twitter. Trent, you look like you're looking right through the computer at me. And you have no idea what I'm talking about. I know you know what I'm talking about. You're the biggest Twitter guy on the show.

So I know Coley once had a very, a Trico, very viral with, with something to do with something you're referring to, but I cannot remember the specific. Like a swarm, a flock of duck is actually called a swarm or something like that. And I remember duck people or geese or goose people went crazy on him for not saying the right thing.

The only reason I bring that up is because you were trying to think of the word of a formation of drones, and I was going to call it a swarm of drones thinking you'd understand the reference and be like, oh, that was that Twitter thing that our friend Coley Mick got into, but you didn't, and you fucked up the segment.

Whoops. I'm still, me and Trent are still having recovered from what we did the other night. I don't even want to see his face right now, the fact that I looked at him for 15 hours, but we can get into that whenever we want to. I literally came and look at him right now. I'm triggered.

I think a swarm is what we will call it. We will have a swarm of drones. I do want to get into your guys a little marathon of a weekend before we do that. Another reference point I would like to make is the transfusion by Owens Mixers, available on Amazon. If you're an Amazon Prime member, you get it. One day shipping, it's awesome. It's easy.

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I think it was 14 hours. Why don't she start from the beginning? Well, yeah, I woke up, it was Saturday, right? Yeah, Saturday into Sunday. I woke up on Saturday and I'm walking around my house, you know, quarantine and doing the whole fucking COVID thing. Like, you know, not really going out. No one's going to bars.

I was going to, like, whatever. So I'm like, I think I'm just going to play some 2K today. We've been trying to build up the YouTube page. Go subscribe to 4Play on YouTube. Our attack at this is we're going to build it up as much as we can. and so we're going to play a bunch of 2K and we're going to do as much as we can constantly keep that fucking stream going so that maybe other people watch our videos, whatever.

So I said, I texted Trent, which I usually do. I said, hey, man, you want to get some alternate shot going today? I think I'm going to do a marathon stream. Like, I'm just going to hop on and see how long I go because I really have nothing to do today. So we might as well. And I actually even text them. I'm like, man, like, if you want to hop in, like, later,

I don't feel like locking you in for the whole day. So, like, you can hop in, hop out like I'll do the society event at 8 o'clock like no problem you're in for a couple hours you're out well turns out we did alternate shot for about six hours um Trent watched the Iowa game we played society events garden city men's club was in the game someone just built the garden city men's club which I caddy that that's where the the um the judge grabbed my neck those greens fucking murdered me I played in that society of that I mean those greens are 15, which is an impossible green in real life,

is just, it's the meanest green of all time. It slopes the whole thing left to right, impossible to read, impossible to hold it. I made like a 12, dude. You know, you guys know me, I had my round the other day where we played. I shot fucking 48 over through two rounds. I started to figure it out.

I went to the range. I literally went to the range. I calibrated my swing. I figured out I'm taking it back on a different path. I'm hitting it well. I came to that point. I was like one under. I made a 12 on that fucking hole.

And I was so rattle. I don't think I broke 80 at that point. How sick was that rendition of that course? I mean, you guys have never played Garden City, but doesn't that make you want to go play the Garden City Golf Club? It's, yeah. Dude, love that first hole. It's like a drivable par four.

What a great start to around. Oh, and he totally got the 18th green, like, like the whole scene there where the patio is right on the 18th green, and it's connected to the putting green, the practice putting green. So like, on a busy summer Sunday afternoon at the Garden City golf club when there's a lot of big wigs sitting there drinking their their arnold palmers and their transfusions and there's no cell phones and they're wearing their suit jackets and you're on the 18th green as a guest and you're on the 18th tee

and you have this long par three with nasty bunkers and water in front and you're like oh boy like if i just hook this even 10 yards to the right um i took out the CEO of like warner brothers like i don't know like it's i'm done like i'm just a fucking pizza maker For lefty, that's tough because like your, your pole goes longer. So if you pull, hope, one, you're going to murder somebody in the clubhouse. And then it's like if you're a guest and those like walking on eggshells type feeling, you walk up there and everyone's looking at you, who brought this guy. It's a nightmare of a place, but also awesome.

So, but the guy really built that really well. But anyway, so we're playing it and we're getting like eight, nine, 10 o'clock. An important, what's, hold on. I said during the, I said in the beginning of the day, I know what you're going to say, I said that I was I was not getting off this stream until we got 1,000 likes on the YouTube video, which is a lot for a live stream. We've done a shit ton of them. We get like 800 to 700 viewers live, whatever it is, like 1,000 viewers.

And we'll get like 200, 300 likes because like it's the same viewers for the whole time. So you're not getting more people to like it. And for some reason, the algorithm, it makes more people watch it when you like it, whatever. It's just like more activity on the video. So I said I wasn't getting off. Trent, from your point, what would you say happen right after? So we started to approach a thousand likes. It was like seven hours into this thing.

And then what happened? All right. So what happened was, yeah, we were playing, we're playing an alternate shot, having a good time, love doing the streams. We're grinding to a thousand likes. Like we have been on for six or seven hours,

and we are begging for likes so we can get off. And we're playing, we're playing alternate shot, which is nine whole matches. It's me and Frankie against two random people, even doing two random stooleys. It's a lot of fun. It's really the most fun you can have on the game.

Two random sullies from the YouTube chat. So for anyone listening, when you join our chat, we're playing people from the chat, alternate shot, a lot of fun. But yes, we're on like the 16th hole, I think, on the back nine of this match. Right. So we've got like just a couple holes left. We've just hit the thousand like threshold.

We're like, all right, we're going to get out of here. And I say on the stream, if we can get to 2,000 likes by the end of this current match that we are in, we will stream for 24 hours, which at that point would have been like 17 more hours on the stream. And I said that because I knew that there was no way in the world that we were going to get a thousand more likes over the course of the next three holes. That's going to take like five minutes.

Like there's no way that's going to happen. And guess what? It doesn't happen. But we end the match on a tie. And we don't like to end on ties. Because Trent, but no. And also Trent hit an 85. foot slider bomb to push the match. So I was like, well, now that match is not really over.

Like we just played nine holes. We have to play a new one. Like you just, like if we lost, you could make the argument. That match was over. We pushed a nine hole match. We had to play a new nine. Trent hit the biggest shot of his 2K career out of nowhere. It was like, it was like a, it was like a 75, 80 foot hurl in basketball at the buzzer just for no reason. And Trent drained it. Little did you know that that was going to keep them on that game until 545 in the morning. I certainly did not know that. So, all right. So now we move on.

I agree to play another match. But I say, specifically, I say, if we're going to do this now, I want it has to be 3,000 likes, not 2,000 likes. Because I know, I know in the back of my head, and well, I just know generally, we work for a company that has very influential people on the internet. I know that one retweet will make this thing blast off. But then as I'm explaining that I need it to be 3,000 likes now to stand for 24 hours as opposed to 2000, I see Frankie Borelli chipping away at his keyboard and I know that he's tweeting something and I don't know what it is. So then he finally puts the tweet out. I wish I had pulled it up right now. Hold on.

I'm actually going to do that right now. I'm going to pull up this tweet because it is one of the most, it's the biggest misrepresentation. What we had going on in that stream I could ever imagine. I'm scrolling down. I'm looking, oh, there's Butters Bay picture. It's a beautiful picture. still scrolling. This is great podcasting right now. I know. Hold on. You're edging them. All right. I got it.

All right. Frankie Borelli tweets at 10.28 p.m. He says, we're on a seven-hour PJ stream. We have one match left. Barsal Trent said, if our video gets to 2,000 likes by the end of the match, he will stay on the stream for 24 straight hours. I think it's impossible, but it could be possible. We'll see. That is such a gross misrepresentation of what we have. going on because at that point, I had agreed to 3,000 likes by the end of the next match and I'll stand for 24 hours because I knew that wasn't going to happen. Again, a match is nine holes. It takes like 20 minutes and we're just never going to get there.

But Frankie even putting that tweet out and knowing who follows him and knowing that we have very powerful and influential people at this company who can just throw out a retweet and people are just going to flood in there and guess what happened? The first person, why is now on my shit list, is Marty Mush. he retweeted he was the first person to do it and then wouldn't you know it chaps retweets it and i'm i'm watching frankie's tweet like a hawk i'm looking at the retweet bro i don't know if we could put in the audio i was legit i almost threw up i was like i don't think i've ever laughed so hard for so long i legitimately almost passed out because trent was like i'm not sitting

here for 24 hours and then and on my screen i had the live footage of what was happening on YouTube, the likes were exploding. It went from a thousand to a thousand one hundred, a thousand two hundred, a thousand three hundred. It was, it was, it was, it was crazy. And, and, and, and, and then big cat retweets it. I mean, yeah, the main account retweets it. Coley starts putting it on Instagram. It was like, dude, it got three thousand in a matter of 20 minutes. It was crazy. That's my point. I know I sandbagged you and, and wrote the wrong thing, but it was going to get, if I wrote 10,000, it was going to get 10,000. People wanted to watch you suffer. And little did they know that I was staying with you because I didn't really write that in the blog in the tweet.

Anyway, we end up having to stay on and we end up making this a bunch of little caveats because we just didn't want to stay on for 24 hours. So we're like, all right, if we'll stay on for 24 hours or if we hit a hole in one, whichever comes first. Because we've never made a whole in PGA, ever. It's impossible. And we were going to play matches against people. So we started out like idiots playing alternate shot for the first like four hours. of this thing. Like literally into our 13 of our fucking match of our of our of our stream. We're playing all in a shot nine whole matches on full golf courses with like par four

and par five. So we're like they're never going to get a whole one. We have half the chances. And we only have two part three is a match and one of us is only taking a shot on each one. So then we ended up going to just me and Trent match play on a par three course. We must have tried that for three hours. It was really funny because as soon as it became confirmed that we were going to be on there for 24 hours, I was like, if we get a hold on one, let's end the stream. And Frankie was nervous about that because I don't want to do too many caveats. I don't want it to seem like we're trying to get out of this 24-hour stream.

Fast forward to three hours later, it's what Frankie's saying. We're no longer playing alternate shot. We're playing each other. We each get a shot and we're playing par three courses over and over and over again. because anyone who has ever decided to stay up all night, once you pass that threshold, you, there's at 3 a.m., the charm starts to fade very, very quickly. Like all the people who were there five hours ago being like, you're going to be on for 24 hours, that's going to be great.

Their heads are hitting the pill because they're living a normal life. Then they don't have to be on here for 24 hours. So we started to inject all of these caveats so we could get the hell out of there. But even that didn't work for like six hours. We were still over there. Yeah, it really didn't work. I think I did the hours around when I was just explaining it. Like we were on the par three courses for four to five hours.

And there was no chance of us ever getting off. Like there was still wind. It was still 145 yards old. We were playing the Wednesday par three course at Augusta for hours. And the holes were insane. Water, wind, 18-mile-hour win. We just never were going to get it. Luckily, we had a couple of misses where we hit the pin.

Trent hit the bottom of the cup at one point and popped out. It was electric. But we ended up fucking. getting it on the ninth pole at the par three course at augustin national we had this little bank trent just skimmed by it i knew the shot it was like a a hundred yard pitch shot i ended up just fucking getting it behind the pin it rolls back 2k is such a realistic video game with like there with the way the ball moves and all of like the the aerodynamics and the fucking and the greens and the slopes like everything's fucking so realistic that we knew we had a chance when it hit the green

because it checks up like a real golf ball and slow comes back to the hole. The game's incredible and it was so much fun. We ended up getting off at like 5.30 in the morning. I mean, it was. I want to give a shout out to the people who stuck around. At 5 a.m., we had 1,500 people watching us. Yeah. Waiting for us to get a whole in one. From 10 o'clock at night, from 10 o'clock at night to 5 a.m. We never went below like 1,400 people. How many food orders did you put in during that? We each ate dinner on the stream. We both got Chinese food and that was it. After that, we were just, I kept, I had a couple spring rolls that were left over that I was munching on around 3 a.m.

Robbie Fox, my roommate, bless his heart. He's got a, he's got to deal with me now staying up all night. The walls in our apartment are paper thin, and I'm just yelling about whole and ones, like, hoping they go in. He got cookies at like midnight that he was like, if you want some of those cookies, you can have some of those. I had a couple of those for like a sugar rush, but it was that's the worst part is we weren't prepared, man. And we can get off this because we fucking did it for 14 hours. We don't have to keep talking about it. But like, We weren't prepared. I didn't have snacks.

I didn't have waters. I was just like, yo, I'm just going to do this. I hopped on at 3 o'clock in the afternoon. I was still on at 3 o'clock in the morning, and there was no end in sight. So we went from 3 o'clock in the afternoon to 5.30 in the morning the next day. It was a long stream.

And I'm not ruling out we're going to do that again. I'm not ruling out that I'm going to do that again. I may do that. I may inflict the whole and one challenge multiple times, multiple times. I'm not going to say when we're going to do it, but I may just do it again because it's fun. to do it. There were moments

where cranky-franky came out. It was two or three in the morning. Well, how would you not? I mean, it's one of those things that always sounds easier now than it I'm sure it is in the moment. I'm sure in the moment it sucks. Dude, at one point Tren just wasn't doing

anything with his shots. He wasn't shaping them. He wasn't putting backspin on him. He wasn't putting loft on the club. And that was like cute and funny at first. And at like 4 o'clock in the morning, when there was literally no end in sight rigs. We were like, we're not getting a hole in one.

There's no chance. Like, we will be here until three o'clock tomorrow. Right. Because, like, no matter how many caveats you add, the ball still has to go in the hole. I don't care. Which it never has. You guys never has once. And Trent was just missing the green every single time.

And at one point, like, I forgot I was even on camera. I'm like, Trent, just fucking figure it out. Like, like, try. Try. Like, are you putting spin on the ball? Like, what the fuck are you doing? I was so mad. At one point, there's obviously the chat's going crazy the whole time.

And at one point somebody says, oh boy, Frankie's about to hurt some feelings. I was just like, Trent, are you like, are you trying to get the ball in the hall right now? Because I've been on here since 3 o'clock in the afternoon. Like, I don't know if you want to stay here all day, but you're not even trying right now. Here's the last thing I'm saying. You got it done. It was great. It was a great moment.

I was in bed 10 minutes after we did it. But my Sunday, it did not exist. That day did not exist. slept all day. I'm 31 years old now. I just cannot be staying up all night. My whoop, I had four naps on my woop. It was just nap, nap, nap, nap, nap. And like, I was talking to Hubs about it. Like, there's two days in my life that have never existed. So a day we traveled Australia, because it was just 24 hours of flights. And then yesterday also didn't exist because I woke up, I went to bed at 5.30. I woke up the first time at noon. I wandered around. I think I may have

gotten something to eat. I fell asleep for a few. few hours, woke up for a couple minutes, fell asleep again. Next thing I knew it was 11 p.m. My Sunday, it's just a lost day. That day didn't exist. My whoop was a 63 recovery, actually. Somehow, some way. I thought it would be like a two. That's not bad. The only alcohol kills you more than anything. So as long as you weren't boozing, you were just kind of streaming. And like you're, I wonder what your actual strain level was from something like that. Because even though you're not moving and sitting on your ass, like there's a lot of stress. You're yelling at Trent.

You're asking him what the fuck he's doing. You're seeing if he's even awake still. It was a 5.5 day strain, which is super low, but like that's really bad. Yeah. The first time I felt normal since Saturday morning was this morning, Monday morning. I got a coffee and I finally felt normal. Yesterday I was just in a fog, a phase, and a days. I couldn't figure out what was going on.

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It's like him, Matt Wolf, Colomor, Kau, where they've all just in the last couple years really exploded on the PGA tour. They've each got a couple, you know, tournament wins. they've got, they've skyrocketed in the world rankings, and we've got Hovlin out there who, he's such an interesting cat. Like, he's, he's always smiling,

he's got that look on his face. He was, like, commenting how bad he was hitting it, yet he won the fucking golf tournament with a sick birdie on the last hole. So he's just such, when he won, last time he won in his post round, which I think Frankie gets tagged in this all the time, where he was just like,

I suck at chipping. And like, he just, like, he has these little comments. super likable guy. And anytime you kind of get this young crop, mention those three guys, but there's more than just them,

you know, log in another win. It adds to their experience, confidence, pedigree going forward. And, you know, I mean, we talk all the time

about how young Matt Wolf is, but like, how about 23 years old and got another win on tour. Yeah. Go pokes, first off. And, you know,

I just got to get that out of the way. Go pokes. Love the pokes. I get tagged in Victor Hovlin Post like crazy. Do people think I look like him? It's every everyone on the internet thinks I look like him. I get when he won yesterday, my little like comment thing on my Instagram was like 100 plus.

And it was just comments of like, Zach Frankie Burley of him holding the trophies. I've never really gotten tagged that much. Usually it's when his chipping video goes viral. But yeah, those are the things that I took away from that. You know, the Sunday had a pretty good crew coming down the end. You had Tony Fee now. You had Victor Hovlin.

J.T. was in the mix. Like it was a pretty good group coming towards the end. And Hovlin just was nails, man. Like he made nine birdies, I think, on Saturday, which is just an outrageous amount of number of birdies. And he just followed it up on Sunday. And an interesting thing that he said, aside from him talking to his caddy on 17,

I think it was where he was like, I'm just hitting the wall like shit. When he was done, he told the reporter, like, I'm just not good at closing out. Like I feel like I get too nervous. Like I'm not, I'm not good in those situations at all. Which is crazy to me that like he's so,

he's so aware of like, oh man, like, you know, if I'm going to be this great fucking golfer and like all time, great and whatever these guys aspire to be, like I need to have this like killer instinct and I clearly don't right now.

He's probably feeling his heart and his throat. He probably feels super nervous. But the fact that he still drains the birdie and gives a little fist pump shows that he has the skill. It's probably just all in his head. Like I need to just fucking figure out that I'm here. I'm supposed to be here. Dude, I saw a tweet yesterday.

Hovelin, Wolf, and Morikawa were all in college last year. And now they're all in the top 15. Yeah, probably early, yeah, because I guess they would have been spring through spring of last year. They would have all been still in college. So last year, in the last year, they were all in college. And this year, right now, they're all in the top 15 in the world. So what does that say about golf in general, though, that like, I mean, are just, like, the young kids are just dominating. Is that just where it's gone to now?

Like that, that definitely wasn't the case for the last 40, 50 years, right? Kids coming out of college, three kids in the top 15, go from college to the top 15. It has to be like an anomaly, right? Having three of them is extremely rare, but like, think about what, like, Jordan Spee, when he came on the scene, like, he came in like a fucking wrecking ball. And he just started holdout of the John Deere, shout out to Trent. And then from that moment on, like, over the next year, he, like, wins the Masters. He's winning all these. tournaments he's just um and then like but j t took a little longer he wasn't quite as young uh when he kind of had his breakout year but but yeah i mean it's rare to have three i would say you get

one occasionally but to have three that are kind of the same class same age came out on tour at the same time and all be that successful is extremely rare we guys think about that that myacoba trophy pretty it's the worst trophy ever it's the worst trophy ever and i know matt Our guy, Pat Perez, won it. But, like, it's embarrassing to have a picture with that thing. Like, the difference between that and wearing the green jacket is astonishing. Now, I'm not taking anything away from winning a PGA tour event. Like, that's a fucking sick accomplishment.

Shout out Pat Perez. That's amazing. But they need to give you a better trophy for how cool of an accomplishment it is, is my point. Like, this is a, you need to have a better trophy for that. You can't have your guy up there with this lump of shit, whatever he's holding. It's like a snail. Is it a snail? No, it's like a little bit.

It's like a lizard. It's a lizard. With a wrapped up tail, that's the snail thing you're getting. It's a joke is what it is. I make better trophies for my fake majors on PGA Tour 2K. Yeah, my buddy's Rider Cup trips, every one of them has a better trophy than that. I don't care what the significance is.

I don't care that it's Mexico. They probably have a ton of lizards. I don't give a fuck. Come up with a cooler fucking, come up with a cooler trophy. It looks like if you're a poor, It looks like if you poured water on it, it would disintegrate. Or change colors and be like one. Let me ask you a lot of lizards?

I like lizards. Lizards are kind of cool. Let me ask you this. What can you do about just being nervous? Like, I don't know. On a certain level, is it just, it's just in your, right? Like, you know, like DJ and I feel like they, there's certain guys who, not that they don't get nervous,

but then it's very clear that they're just not like as affected as, other guys. And shout out Johnny Miller would like always talk about nerves and now you never, that's nerves, nerves, nerves, but it's a real thing. I mean, this last weekend I played out at Whisper Rock. We had Mori when he was on, Mori Povich was talking all about Whisper Rock, how cool it is. I was playing with our dude Todd Martin from Peter Malar, who's the fucking man and a couple other guys that are like members up at West. And I'm on the range, you know, I'm hitting it great. I hit like 10 drivers in a row all great. Get to the first tee and like, yeah, we do two off first teeth. I mean, I shank one right.

There's the worst. And then I just duck hook one left. And I just, I'm walking off, you know, while when somebody else has turned to hit, I'm just thinking of my head like, boy, I was like shaking, just like being judged. And you people like, oh, this golf guy does this and just hit horrible shots. And then the rest of the day I played fine,

played pretty well. It's like I was just super nervous on that team. What can you do about that? Like, there's just nothing you can do. Like, if you're that nervous, you have to hit. You don't get like a timeout. You don't get oh, let me go back for 10 minutes, I'm going to take the next tea time and then I'll like catch it. No, it's just like, you just have to perform.

You can't feel your fucking body. Your extremities are off the, and you just have to like try to now do this thing that we all talk about is already impossible. It's like, what can you do? Dude, I think like having the skill changes it immensely. So we get super nervous on the first team because we have no idea what the outcome is going to be. So our level of nervousness is through the fucking roof because you're like, man,

the odds of me embarrassing myself here are so high as opposed to like Dustin Johnson's like, all right, yeah, this is a nerve-wracking scenario, but I know the odds of me making this put or hitting this off the first year at Augusta is no problem. Like absolutely no problem. I can do it in my sleep. Yes, it's probably a little nerve-wracking, but like, and not to fucking compare it at all, but to compare to my life, when I step up to like a stage in this fake fucking band that we created, pop punk, and we're at Irving Plaza,

the Green Day sign the wall in the green room and like fucking Billy Joel, whoever's playing at Irvin Plaza in Manhattan has played there before. And we've never played a concert in our life. And we're walking onto the stage and a fucking spotlight hits me on the drum set. I'm like, okay, it's a little nerve. I can we got 1,500 people here and they're expecting to see a rock show and I'm on the drum set. I have to produce the music.

I was fucking nervous, man. I thought I was going to drop the sticks. But 10 seconds into it, I'm like, oh, wait, I've been playing the drum since I was four years old. I just know how to play the drums. Like, this is actually fun. So, like, you actually, now I want to do that. I can't wait to get back onto the stage because I think we can get better.

We can do more shows. Like, we can be a good cover band or whatever it is. Like, I'm excited for it because I actually, I can go in my room right now and practice and I know I'm good at it. I'm not like that in golf. I don't have that confidence at all. I'm a joke. I think that's what you said is a good point.

Like, the worst, it's all about what's the worst thing that can happen to you up here? Like when we, when Justin Johnson steps up to a T, the first T at Augusta, like the worst thing that's going to happen is he, like, maybe he slices it into the rough or something. Like, but if we step up to a T, the worst possible thing that can happen is anything. Like I could top this ball and it can go two inches. I can miss the ball completely.

I can, like, I can hit somebody and kill somebody with this ball. Like that's, I think, what brings the nervousness. And sure, part of it is how your chemical makeup, there's got to be something in Dustin Johnson where he is just, flat line the whole time something about the chemicals in his brain where he's just like i just don't get that nervous and he is you know one in a billion in that way but it also goes back to what frankie's saying where the worst thing that can happen to us is far far worse and far far more embarrassing than the worst thing that can happen to duston johnson and that does come from practice and playing and

doing as much as you can but there is just a part of it where it's your chemical it's your brain makeup where you're going to be fucking nervous no matter what i think dj may get more nervous for like national interviews where he has to sit down and do an interview on a camera because he's not as like formal and he's not as like articulate with the way he speaks like I watched him he was on whatever that show was that was going viral of him wearing the green jacket was like ESPN or whatever and he was like nervous he couldn't even answer the questions like how do he's like how do he's like he's like fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck I got on fucking TV like the worst that I could do is make a fool out of myself up here and he doesn't want to do that

but when he's on the golf course he's like cool as a cucumber because he doesn't fucking I think it was Walker Bueller on our show who said he described nerves and nervous levels in such an articulate and profound way that I'd never heard before, where he essentially was like, my nervousness is not determined by like total amount of nervousness. It's the difference between skill level and total nervousness related to that situation. So he was like in pitching, yeah, I might be 10 times more nervous taking the mound in the World Series. But I'm also, 200 times more skilled than I am at golf, so I'm actually not nervous because the difference is like it's net positive to my skill level, where when I step on the T for golf, he's like I'm, I may be, you know, one X as nervous as I am, but I'm also zero X skill,

so I'm very nervous. So I think like if you calculate it that way, it's very interesting and you're 100% right. Like if I have like the one skill that I think I'm pretty good at comparative to my other skills in golf, it's like puttick. So if I have like a six foot putt to win a match or something, I'm actually just not that nervous because I'm confident that like I can put a good stroke on it. And like if I read it right, it should just go in.

Whereas I just miss fairways and miss the golf course with the driver of my hands all the time. So now you're putting me on a T and I'm really nervous and I have to do this skill that I don't have very often. How the fuck am I going to have it right now? Then it goes way out of play. And then you're thinking about the worst thing that can have. And then it's just over. Now it's like, well, now I'm fucking really embarrassed guy standing on the side of the tea. And I wish we weren't even out here right now.

fucking and then you have to do it 17 more times. I'm correct. And yeah, and that happens to us because we're on fucking video filming ourselves because we just do these golf videos. So that happens to us for 18 straight holes. It's not like you at Whisper Rock where you just have to get off the first one. This happens to us for all 18.

I know, I mean, hundreds of thousands of people. Over a million people watch us play kids. And I hit the ball into the fucking pond on one. And no one's ever hit the ball on the pond on one in their entire life at that golf course. and everyone's watching me do that. Yeah, I wish that didn't happen. But I'm not that great at golf and I get nervous when there's fucking cameras on me

and they're nonstop on us. I wonder which came first for Dustin Johnson. Did he realize, like, has he always been this cool, calm and collected? And he realized that when he is in these high pressure spots, he's just like, oh, I don't get nervous. Or is it because he's had this skill for so long and that's where the calmness comes from? It kind of becomes like the chicken and the egg. I wonder which one it is.

He's also blown it. What does that mean, by the way? He's blown golf tournaments before. Like, he, Pebble Beach, he was at train wreck. He shot like 81 when he was leading the U.S. Open by three shots. So, like, I think probably it is earned. Like, being experiential is like you've been there. If you've been there four or five times, then by the sixth time,

you're probably like, well, actually, I already shot fucking 80 something at Pebble Beach. So it's like, I'm nervous. You know, like Rory, Rory shot 80 something when he was leading the masters. And then a couple months later, he went and dominated the U.S. Open. So it's like on some level, yeah, I don't know. If I knew the answer, then I just wouldn't be nervous on the first tee anymore. Right.

And I don't. And I'm fucking shaking, even though nobody cares. Like, nobody in the group cares where my ball really goes. Like, realistically, I don't even care. If it goes out of play and I make double, it's like, who cares with my ball? It's like, doesn't really matter. But also in my, like, my whole body is shaking. So clearly it fucking matters.

So it's just so, it's so infuriating that that happens. And there's no way to control it. Like, when you're just that nervous, it's over. Like you can't, there's not a fucking poem you can hum to yourself and like get over it. You're just fucked. I remember, I mean, I used to hate public speaking. I used to hate giving speeches in class. Like it was my biggest fear by far.

I used to poop his pants a little bit up there. What? Used to get a little poopie pants up there. No, I just used to like, I just remember like the nights before. Like I would be freaking out thinking about having to stand in front of a group of people that I know and giving a speech. Like I, now it sounds crazy because we do this podcast for a bunch of people. But that's even that's different. Like I'm not looking at the people we're talking to right now.

And I said it on the last show where if I start to think about how many people I'm speaking to right at this very moment, I get very nervous. And I would feel that way about speeches. And I remember the night before a speech, I was practicing. And it was back when I was still living at home. And I remember telling my mom, like, I wish I could just not be nervous. Like I just want to not be nervous. And she's like, yeah, I mean, everybody feels that way. Like there's no way to get rid of it.

Like you're saying, Riggs. Like as much as you know, you tell yourself, like, I wish I just. Couldn't be nervous right here. Your body takes over and it fills you with fear. And it's a horrible feeling. Yeah, think about what happened when Tiger Woods asked you where you were stationed. That's exactly it. That's exactly it.

I just, I just, like, no, I know how to speak. Like, I'm aware of how to respond to a question that's asked, but I just can't do it. No one's ever shown the expression of confusion more than that picture that gets filtered around of Trent, not knowing where he's stationed. It's literally like, um, what's the, um, what's the, um, um, what's the, um, um, um, um, um, What's the chemical that makes you nervous? Is it cortisol? Is that that like shoot through your body? That sounds like something that fucking de-isces my windows on my car.

I could be very wrong about that. But I think- Let me ask you something. Yeah. You mentioned the chicken or the egg. What do you think about that? What do you think about that? I saw you furiously Googling that as like as we were talking about something else.

It's a dilemma. It's a dilemma. They stated as a dilemma online. What is it? It's a philosophical dilemma. or you think about like, when you think about chickens and eggs, where do those come from? And which came first? Which came first, right.

Is it the chicken or the egg? Now, fuck my face, man. What is it? I'm going to say egg. Right. That's like, but then like all chicken eggs come from chickens is the dilemma. All chicken eggs come from chickens. Not this one.

I think this one. Yeah. I mean, yeah. Yeah. I don't know what it came from, but I'm going to say something. I mean, a chicken didn't just appear. It didn't like. Right.

I know that's the dilemma. I don't know. How the fuck would a chick could just appear? How would it just appear? And I'm not going to get crazy on this, right? Because then like religion comes into this and science and all this stuff. But like you can talk about like you believe in God or like science, all this stuff. And I always just say, whatever you believe in, where did that come from?

Right. Like there had to have been in a beginning to whichever belief you have. And I'm not opening this up to fucking people tweeting at me and DMing me about their fucking beliefs about the universe. But my whole point's like, all right, like big bang, but where'd that little speck of dust come from, right? There's always where'd the nothing come from. So I don't want to think about it because it keeps me up at night.

It honestly ruins my life, like my enjoyment of this earth right now. No, I don't, I don't care. The universe, right? We're all in the universe. Yeah. What do you, like, at some level, the universe can't just go on. I can just can't. So, like, what is at the edge?

Is it just like a drywall that's like the border of the unit? Like what do you? I don't want to think about what forever mean. They're saying it's just like forever. But it can't do it. Like Jim Carrey, like when in the Trimitt Show, when Jim Carrey's boat hits the side of the world, is that what it is?

Right. And also people say it goes on forever. Yeah, people say it goes on forever. Like they don't know that at all. What do you mean people? People, you know, people not only do they say goes on forever, but they say it's continually expanse. Like it's still shooting outwards right now.

So what is the shooting out into? Right. What was there before it expanded into that area? What is it shooting out into? Is it like creating nothingness? It's hilarious that you're directing this question of me when I don't know. So I think about like a visual representation of what we're talking about, whichever scale you want, right?

It's expanding. What is it expanding into? Like if you have a visual representation of that, there are walls on the side and it would actually push the walls back, right? Like it's not, it's got to expand into something. It can't just expand into nothing. And what is nothing? What is the thing that's there?

Dude. Let me ask you. There's a YouTube and I want to, I love YouTube. YouTube's a good thing. I do. Like YouTube. YouTube. Go subscribe to Foreplay on YouTube.

Get us to 100,000 subscribers. That would be awesome. If everyone that listened to this show went, like that's like got to be, we have hundreds of thousands of people that listen. to the show, if everyone right now on your app went to YouTube and hit subscribe, we should get to 100,000. We need like 8,000 more. Like, if you listening to this actually did that, that would be a pretty cool representation

of how many people we actually have that are like competent human beings that are listening to what we're saying and just like help us out with a follow. So that's pretty cool. The second thing is that there are these CGI guys. And I think I told you this. Robbie Fox told me that the fucking, Robbie Foxx told me that the fucking, Robbie, told Trent, who told me, that the Polar Express was all filmed by Tom Hanks, basically. He was like the children.

So that's why their voice, that's why their facial expressions are weird because they didn't know. And I'm now, I'm now on that, I'm now on that mountain where I forgot why I was bringing this up. Yeah. There was something about the CGI. So, oh, oh, I know, I know. Anyway, there's just YouTube page.

And there's CGI guys watching, like, bad CGI, and they're like critiquing it. They get millions of views. And there's this one video where they actually show. how small we are by using like their CGI and like they said everyone always says like we are 10,000 the size of the sun whatever it is right they said that we are a tennis ball and they were comparing a tennis ball to other stars that we know of right so when you say that we are a tennis ball the biggest star compared to a tennis ball was bigger than Manhattan right so we are are on Earth. Earth is massive. A tennis ball. There's a star out there, which is like the sun, that's bigger than Manhattan. Let me ask you this. When you hear that, does that scare you or does that give you comfort? That scares the living shit out of me. Because there is, there is a thought that, and I think I feel this way, where when they do, they'll do like a zoom out, where it's like,

there's the Milky Way and then there's all these other galaxies, there's all these other galaxies, thinking that we're just like a speck in the middle of this gigantic... And that we matter at all? That's crazy. Right. Well, that's it is. That's what it is. Where it's like, we all freak out all of us about little things going on in our lives

where it's like, I got to get this done. We got to do this video. We got to do this podcast. We got to get this interview. And then if you just zoom out, you are just like this little tiny thing where it literally does not matter. Let me ask you this. If Earth were the size of a tennis ball, how far away do you think the close,

star is to Earth outside of our own star. So Earth is a side of a tennis ball. The closest other solar system and star, how far away do you think that is on this scale? I put a tennis ball on like a street. It's like how many feet, miles, what do you think? Yeah, I'm... It's got to be over a mile, right?

Like, I'm trying, like a tennis ball and then a mile away would be so fucking far. It would blow your mind how far. far that is. That would blow your mind how far a mile is from a tennis ball. Wait till you hear this, Frankie. 890 miles away. That's so far. That's so far. That's like, it's literally like the middle of the country. That's where Tennessee is from where you are. That's, that's, we will never, that's why aliens will never find us in our life. Like, we haven't been around, like humans with brains haven't been around long enough for the time window for aliens to have come here at our time

maybe billions of years ago but like it's too far man I too far I do think if you tweak your view on it a little bit you will begin to find comfort in that like I I think it can take a breath a deep breath and just think like it's fine like this we are just a a pin size in the middle of a fucking ocean it's fine bro I'm not okay with this I'm not not okay with any of this bro. You saw Jake Bass, which big, big thanks to Jake and Bug, as always. Jake Bass has said, y'all are giving me severe anxiety right now. Debbie Downer.

Debbie Downer over there. Oh, one of the great memes. A little, our little go-to private meme is maybe the thing I get the most enjoyment out of whenever it comes across my cell phone. Yeah, we've memed. Well, actually, Jake memed himself because we asked him because he's the graphic guy for the podcast. So I asked him to make a meme of himself as Debbie Downer,

because every time we have something, oh, we're going to shoot this. He's like, well, you know, there's like whatever X amount of pollution in the air and we shouldn't be flying the plane because that actually, it's like, okay, well, it's literally Debbie Downer scene where I think Justin Timberlake's in it, but they're at Disney and like Pluto comes over and like, hi, Pluto. And she's like, you know, one and four mascots actually suffer from heat stroke. And everyone's like, what the fuck? She's like, we're in Disney.

It's the number one terrorist site in the world. They're like, Debbie, shut the fuck up. Buzz Killington from Family Guy is another one. Yeah. He shows every more he's got the fucking I spec. He shows up and kills all the jokes. Yeah. What's that Buzz Killington?

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Oh, I have a question that could probably keep, not keep going on this, but we were talking about Dustin Johnson. we were talking about, you know, the nerve system. We were talking about Victor Hovlin. I got into a little conversation over the weekend over with KFC. We were watching the movie. I was watching the movie Whiplash for like the hundredth time. It's my favorite movie of all time.

J.K. Simmons, Miles Teller, the best acting in a movie from an original script of all time. Trent heard a lot about this on our 14-hour stream the other night, so I'm not going to get him in on this or get going on it. and KFC watch it for anyone that doesn't know jk k Simmons is this conductor for a for a music group at this at the Schaefer incredible school in new york city and he pushed just people to the level that like some of them kill themselves and like he's a fucking dick when it comes to fucking teaching and all this stuff

and he's like and kfc texting me he's like is that what it takes to achieve greatness and i responded by saying like i i don't know that that's the answer And I think that a lot of people take that route. If you take two people, not in music, but like in golf, right? And I used the example of Kevin Kisner and Tiger Woods. And this is no knock on Kevin Kisner. We're going to hopefully have them on the show later.

But Kevin Kisner and Tiger Woods are both professional athletes. They both reached the level that they both needed to reach to achieve their goal. One person took it the normal quote-unquote route where he just, you know, worked hard at his craft. He has a good skill. But he's able to have like a family and normal. parents' life and wife and kids, and he can drink beers and watch Georgia football and fucking be a normal human being

and be able to text rigs like all these fucking guys or whatever and be one of the boys. The other guy is the most polarizing character in the history of sports. He was listening to war tapes at the age of three years old on how to be a murderer on the golf course. His father would feed him to the sound of a golf ball every time that he hit it in his garage.

He wouldn't shake hands after matches. he was taught to be an assassin, and he literally, like, exploded his personal life. He's not a real person, but he's also the greatest of all time. So, like, what does it take to achieve greatness? Is it now, if you go through the list, like Michael Jordan, like, is crying on an ESPN documentary about how he can't be a normal teammate because he needs to be this dick and this fucking asshole

to get the best out of people so that he can achieve his greatness, because that's a team sport. So, like, where do you draw the line? Can you achieve ultimate greatness by being a normal person? And I don't know what the answer is yes. I think the closest thing is Tom Brady, but he kisses his son on the lips. He's a fucking weirdo.

Like, there's a lot of things that we probably don't know about Tom Brady, right? Like, he probably has murdered people. I'm not saying, like, we don't know what Tom Brady does. What an allegation to throw at Tom Brady? That's not, I'm not going to say. I'm just saying, like, who knows what Tom Brady's done to achieve his greatness? Well, I think you're honest. And if you think about Tom Brady's side, because I guess he is the outlier because he's normal.

Yeah, as normal as you can be at a guy at his level. But you also look at Michael Jordan. His life is, he's like a crazy person. Like if you think about his Hall of Fame speech when he was being inducted into the basketball Hall of Fame, he has now reached the level. He's going to Hall of Fame. He is at that time unanimously known as the greatest basketball player of all time. And if you go back and you watch that Hall of Fame speech, it is psychotic. He's still being like, I'm better.

Why don't you guys put me up on this pedestal where I deserve to be when he's up there. He's already up there. And his life is in ruins. Everybody who talks about, maybe it's not in ruins, but he has weird personal relationships with people because he is so competitive and he can't turn that thing off. But I do think that is, it takes that to become the greatest fall of time. I don't know if you can live and lead a normal life and reach the heights of a Michael Jordan and a tiger woods.

I just don't know if it's possible. Yeah, I think that you're right. I think Rick's froze on us. I froze? My back? I got you. You're back now. You're good.

I think you're both right. I think the answer is way closer to know. You can't achieve this ultimate greatness and be normal. It's way closer to know than it is to yes. And I would say that like when you, especially now, I mean, it wasn't always like this because media wasn't as constant. It wasn't as 24 hour. But nowadays, again, in the documentary with Jordan, like when they show them going to different countries, getting off a plane, walking out of his hotel, like literally cannot live a normal life in the sense that you can't go to dinner.

You can't just go stop into a bar. You can't go out to the grocery store and just get a grocery. So if you can't live a normal life, how are you going to turn out to be a normal person? Right. Like your context and your sort of understanding of the world is, is, is, created by having the same type of experience that everyone else has to a degree. And there's a certain echelon of people that don't have that fucking experience. Like they just, they don't know what it's like.

They don't, like they can't converse and have the same conversations about stuff because they don't have those life experiences. Like they're just not, you know, like we even talk about it at Barstool. If you were to boil it down, like Dave talks a lot about the people that at Barstool that have been most successful, like actually had other lives and careers and they understand how awesome barstool sports working for is comparative to a lot of other companies and therefore they're significantly more appreciative and there's this right so it's like you can boil down to a lot of different things and now you magnify that by a billion because you've got michael jordan

tyler woods like they have to be weirdos jordan saying and his teammates even coming to his defense in last dance of like no he wasn't like he wasn't considered a nice guy by the teammates but also like we didn't want we didn't need him to be we needed him to be we needed him to be be who he was. Like he was a psychotic savage that drove his fucking teammates to be as bad ass and as good at basketball and at like winning championships as they could be. And that ain't going to be off like lollipops and fucking kumbaya. Like that's going to be miserable to a degree. But guess what? You're remembered as, you know, one of the great, one of the great dynasties of all time. You're now your contracts when you, when you re-sign or when you go off to another team, like you all are way richer because

Michael Jordan was a little bit of a dickhead to you for 10 years. Like that's just kind of what it takes. And I think like a lot of the golf journalists too, like when Tiger came back at 2018, remember Trent? Like we would talk about us all the time. How often guys like Rex Hogger and these golf journalists that were around and Rich Lerner were like, Tiger just kind of has a smile on his face. And he's kind of just like enjoying life.

And he's friends with Justin Thomas. And to some, like we would even chirp. We'd be like, that's not what I want to see. I want Tiger Woods to be what I want Tiger Woods to be. I don't need Tiger Woods to be a happy father. Like, I need him to fucking murder people on the golf course. That's what I need. Like, I get that it's better for humanity probably if he's a different person and he's more well-rounded.

But like, in terms of when I turn on the TV and that fucking machine walks on to the first tea at Augustine Ashton and a red shirt and black pants, like, I want him to be slitting people's throats. I want him to be looking at Tony Fiedow, like, why are you talking to me as peasant? Like, I'm going to fucking cut your throat and shove your golf course. clubs down your fucking throat and defeat you right now. That's what I was born to do. And so it's like, it's tough.

And I think that the answer is pretty much like, no, there's going to be a few exceptions. Like, you're right. Frankie, Tom Brady's a fucking weirdo. Of course he's a weirdo. Like he's, and this is what we talk about with Jack Nicholas all the time. And we have our little debates about Jack's rooting for Tiger. Like, no, he's not. You don't become an 18th major winner unless if you're just happy for everyone to have success

around you. No, you're fucking not. So, no, I don't think you can really be normal and be. upper echelon of greatness. I don't think it's wrong. You do have to sacrifice a degree of happiness to reach those levels.

That was what I was going to say next is like, is it worth it? Because it's almost like Thanos in fucking Avengers, where it's like, what did it cost? And he says everything.

He's tossing his daughter off of a fucking mountain to retrieve one of the stones that's going to make him the greatest of all time. You know what I mean? So it's like in this movie too, and that's what case he said,

like was it worth it for was it worth it to go through fucking j k simmons's bullshit for at the end and i'm not going to spoil it but like there's a moment where it's like holy fuck like miles teller you let's go but like everything that led up to that moment was that worth it and the other thing is do people get warped into this like this this this circle this never-ending circle of like in the movie i keep going back to the movie jk smiths is like charlie parker got a charlie parker got a fucking symbol thrown out his head. And then he spent the next summer working on his solo and came back with the greatest solo of all the time.

And now, J.K. Simmons lives his life trying to find his Charlie Parker. He throws symbols at every single guy's head to find that guy. So it's like, is there a dad feeding his son right now to every hit of the golf ball? Because that's what Earl Woods did. And is that the correct way to go about achieving greatness? I mean, probably not, no. Do you think so? I think there definitely are.

are people that that like learn from history in that aspect where they're like yeah i want the next tiger woods i i i'm gonna fucking do everything i can this kid's gonna listen to war tapes from the fucking but it's whatever it was like like when we read the book the book with tiger woods his fucking face on it that we really haven't what is that called it's uh what is that book what is the red book it's got tiger woods his face on armin katayan who is actually a guest of this show right smart fellow they're actually making a documentary i think on hbio about tiger based off of the Armicottian book, which I just don't know what the fucking name. Hey, Briggs, I've been listening to the show, and you guys have been talking about that book that kind of details the life of Tiger Woods, and I can't, I'm trying to find it on Amazon. What's the name of that?

Do you know what the name of that book? Tiger Woods. Tiger Woods is the name. That's the name. In the book, Tiger Woods, we actually discussed at length, and we would go back forth about, like, how sorry for Tiger you feel reading the book.

And it's like, how could I have this sympathetic kick towards a man who's worth a billion dollars who everywhere he walks is, you know, he's Jesus walking on water when he walks to a golf tournament, like guys that are trying to beat him in the tournament are legit shaking and asking for pictures on the range next to him. Like how could you feel bad for this man who can have pretty much anything that he wants?

And it's like, well, he was just never given a chance to have a normal life. And Rory talks about it a lot. Rory's like, when I trade, you know, my career for tigers in order to have to trade my life for Tiger,

I can't go out to dinner. He's like, no, I don't, I want to be kind of a happy, relatively normal person. So it is very, very,

I mean, it'll forever be debated if it's, if it's worth it or not. I think to like 99% of people, it's just not worth it. It's like, you know, I mean,

look at like Steve Jobs. Like he was an asshole. Everybody talks about he was an asshole. And like to town down to like denying that he actually was the father of his daughter. to later in life. And it's like these people that achieve this astounding level of greatness and admiration, like it comes at a serious, serious sacrifice.

Yeah, Tiger in a lot of ways now is living a second life. Like he's, and I know like Rick said, we used to always talk about like, no, I want him to be this assassin and this killer out there. But in reality, he's living a much healthier lifestyle. Now, at least all appearances would say that he's happier. He is smiling. He's friends with all the guys on the golf course. and he still was able to win the 2019 master.

So if you maybe blend them a little bit better, obviously the first half of his life was insanity. And you can debate until the cows come home about, was that the right thing? Who was it right for? Like, yeah, he's listening to these war tapes and he's playing all this golf. And that maybe have been right for Earl Woods,

but socially it probably wasn't great for Tiger Woods, as we saw as his life continued to play out, where Tiger sometimes, and even still, he is putting on the appearances of a normal person when he's clearly really not. His mom was writing notes to his girlfriend saying that they can't be together anymore. Right. So his social interactions to this day sometimes are a bit strange and off, and I don't think that's ever going to go away.

But at least now he's happy. He's spending time with his kids. He still went in tournaments. His kids are getting to see him be this very successful and polarizing golf. for without all of the craziness, which is, it's nice to see to a degree. I mean, we spoke to him for 90 seconds, and he asked Trent where he's stationed.

Like, who, like, you know, I don't want him to be a normal, I don't want him to just be like, what's up, fellas where you guys stay? And you have this normal hotel? Like, we're having a normal conversation? No, he's like asking things that sent Trent's brain, you know, to the edge of the fucking universe,

which we didn't even know what it consists. Has anyone ever asked Tiger Woods if it was worth it? That'd be a great question to ask. him when we get him on the show. You would ask Tiger Woods if all this was worth it? Absolutely. You don't think you want to talk about, I know, that is the question to ask. I'm just saying, I'm talking about nervousness.

I'd be Frankie poopy pants sitting there next to you, being like, whoa, fuck. You run the risk of him just being like, yes, and then like next question. But I think, like, he has to have thought about it all the time. Like, all. Yeah, it keeps him up. It's like, I could just, like, be the same person. Well, then he gets, yeah, it's fucking. there's got to be some sort of complex or some psychiatrist has definitely like broke this down to like the two

variables like you get this but you get this and you get this and like which one are you choosing I wonder what the world would say well tiger the world I that is the best question you can ask tiger but he probably says yes because he doesn't know any other way so he doesn't know what the other side of that is. Is the other side of that like, oh, you live a normal life, you're a normal PJ tour pro, you get a couple of wins, maybe you win a major, but you live a pretty normal existence. Tiger doesn't know what that is. So he's unfamiliar with it. But does he want to be just like a farmer in fucking, I don't know, Montana and just whatever, oh, I should have said Iowa. Yeah, a big miss. That was a huge mess. Because I'm, you know, no, maybe I'm wrong because his life has

been so heavily scrutinized and it's been in the public eyes since he was, you know, a teenager and even before that, obviously, like, he might be like, no, this shit. It was, it was so crazy. And it took such a toll on me that it was like, it was too crazy. Well, maybe it's a question we could ask kids. We'll be like, you know, what, like, what do you think? Because kids is sort of, I mean, you used them as the example. He's sort of the other guy. So the other, the other end of the other side of the coin, I guess, in terms of what we're debating. So, um, so look, Kevin Kisner's coming up next. I got a nice new little toy that I used on a golf course this past weekend. It's the Bushnell Golf, the wingman.

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You hanging? I'm trying to grind out these Steelers, but it's just not really working. I'm about to go 0 and 4 on my picks in the last two days. This is off-season kids we're seeing right now? Yeah. Oh, yeah.

It's just not working out. Alex Smith has one fucking leg, and his leg that is working is full of blood, and he's still just picking apart. the 11 and O Steelers. It's really an Alex Smith in football.

It's really one of the modern medical miracles that Alex Smith is still playing. Every time he runs you like, he wins. It should be a comeback player

of the century, not the year. He comes back player of NFL history. History. I mean, I'm down with that. And he's about to

lead him back to beat the Steelers that are 11 and up. I don't get yet at some point, and I understand, like, when you're a professional athlete, you want to, like, prove that you can do stuff, but he's made all the money he could possibly have. And they told him, like, he legitimately could never walk again if he gets hurt again.

Why take that risk? Yeah, like, it's a- fire in your belly, man. Yeah? Is that fire in the belly worth just never walking again? You can afford people to push you around. I guess so. But you don't have a ring.

Just like you don't have a ring. trophy, Frankie. I don't have a trophy. I don't know why he picked me out of this whole crew. This trophy-less crew. You're the one I'm looking at. I'm not in gallery. This trophy-less crew, but I'm the one without a trophy. We couldn't be a more trophy-less crew of all time. We were so jacked up as we always are for Augusta. And I remember seeing, like, you put up an Instagram story or something, like at Augusta. And I said, how good is that place? Just like I wanted to talk to someone that was there. And you're like, it's really not that good right now. And I was like how is that possible like we didn't know any of this because obviously we didn't see any of on

tv yet and then right when the first couple of groups started going i'm like fucking kiz's right man we're seeing brown we're seeing mud balls we were seeing slow greens i'm like this is it was like uh i don't know i just didn't like seeing it in that light like was it that different being there was it was it the most different you've ever seen it 1,000 percent it was uh the greens were about less than tour average, which is weird. I mean, it didn't help the weather. It rained, what, two inches on Thursday morning? It probably would have been fine unless it rained that much.

But, I mean, that agronomy in that time of year, it just doesn't add up. I'm sure I didn't make the weekend, but I'm sure by Sunday when the wind started blowing 20 that it was closer to tournament conditions. And going back to that, people don't talk about that wet. that Dustin hit on 15 on Sunday. I was watching that. That thing was a joke. If y'all ever go back to watch the Masters that Dustin won,

he hit like a 100-yard wedge shot that back pin on 15 and a 20-mile hour win and controlled a spin. That was sick. Because a lot of guys, like, you can suck that off the front. That's when Sergio made his, like, 13, right? Yeah. And then if you want to hop it over the back, it's auto-bogey. Well, Sanjay, he made an unreal.

Parsayor, if you remember that, because he was on the back of 15. Yeah, from over the bartery wedge. That was, it was the softest hands I'd ever seen. We said this is an impossible chip before he made contact. Because he made another one on 11 that I just couldn't believe either. And I was like, this guy's incredible. But then on 15, it was almost even more impressive back there. The whole thing, like the, from the 12th hole, the view behind the 12th hole,

that green just all week looked terrible. It was the worst. It's always the worst. but in November it was the worst screen by far. It looked like a uni. It looks so beat up. It's like a foot slower and just straight mud. But it gets no sunshine from those trees behind it.

But you can't change that because then it changed the whole complex of the hall. Right. Right. So probably just receded every year, regressive. I loved when you guys started and you had the rain delay and you're just texting during the rain. to it and you're like, all right, I got 2.10 flag from the right rough. I got to hit it around a tree. What are you think the chances are in the green? What are my odds on green hit or par? Then when I hit the freaking green, I was so fired up. Three foot. God dang.

I hit a seven wood, Ray, from fucking, what did I tell you I was? Like 210 front? You were like, yeah, because you said, yeah, it was like 210 front and the pin was in the back, wasn't it? No, it was in the front. So it was like 210, 2.17, and I wanted to hit three iron, but you get to go place your ball in the roth after the thing. So I, like, tried to perk it up on the grass and it just settles down, of course. And then they blow the horn, and I'm like, do we, I can't have a three iron out of there, right? And he's like, no, hit the seven wood, which goes 245. So I have 217.

I'm thinking, well, if I hit this good, it's going in the woods back there. I smoke it, dude. I smoked it. I had a ball in 25 minutes, and I look up and I'm like, Jesus Christ, that's going in those woods by 11. And it's the green, like, yes, Mogi. That's three putt.

I almost put it off the green. The greens were so slow. They were so slow. And so I told myself right before I putt it, like, hit it really hard. It was like 50-footer, and I almost put it off the front of the green. I've done that. I've made like chicken.

Kill that fly. Kill the fly. So my buddy's in a big golf club. Where's the fly? Hold on. Let's try to kill that fly. Do you get it? I got him.

Hell yeah. Come on. It's like the fly episode of breaking bed. You know, he's, Kevin Kistner has left the frame, and we're going to hear something break here real soon. Lurch, was it you that taught the clap above the fly move? Yeah, it's a huge move.

Well, you're not saying you originated that, right? Huh, no, I think I just taught this group and I got credit for it. Do you know the key of killing a fly blurt? You got to see where their eyes are looking and come from behind. See where their eyes are looking? That's a little out of this. Yeah, so if they're facing that way, you got to come from that. Oh, yeah, yeah, I agree with that, where the head's looking.

I'm not looking at their eye. But then I... But then my daughter told me that they have multiple, more than two eyes, which I'm not sure of. She's only six, so that could be complete horseship. She was helping me kill flies yesterday because we got this massive construction project at the house, and we've had the doors open. And she sold me that flies can see in all directions. And I was like, well, I'm smoking them coming from the backside, so I don't know what you're talking about. How was your year, kids?

How would you rate your year? I mean, like, weird, obviously, with corona, but how would Kevin Kisner assess his 2020? So I told my team in Detroit, which is maybe 1st of July, that I was going to make $3 million from there to the end of the calendar year. And I think I made $3.25. So I'd say, yeah, it was solid. How did you come up with that number? You looked at the tournaments, the payouts, and saw the tournaments.

And I was pissed off about how bad I was playing. I knew I had a good stress tournaments. I knew I was going to play well at. certain tournaments and you got to set goals, man. Set goals? Did it. Obviously, Sea Island pushed me over the top, but I was planning on playing better at the Masters.

Yeah, you have told me before because I've been like, no, you usually play well with the Masters. I usually finish top 20 or something, and you're like, dude, there's like 15 people that can make the cut or that actually have a chance because half of them are like 80-year-old past championship. That's easy money normally. Yeah, right. At what point did you make that, did you tell your team that?

Detroit, Rocket Mortgage Classic. I think that was about the third or fourth tournament back, fourth tournament back from coronavirus pandemic. Yeah, because we seem to be in a worse pandemic now than we were then. Which is crazy. What's the, it's like we did every, you know, people did the quarantine and the businesses shut down. and now it's like worse.

It's just, they said fucking one and like 10 people in California that get tested just are test positive for growth. Yep. And you get to live in tent city out there. Right. It's far and away. It's worse.

The only thing that's not worse right now and there's not as much eyeballs on it is like the hospital stuff. Like I feel like the hospitals are not as like over. Or maybe that's just like us watching. I remember in the beginning it was like, these hospitals are crazy. They don't know what they're doing. And now at least it's like, all right, everyone's just like

somewhat taking it seriously and staying home and not being fucking idiots. Like, I just want this thing to be over, man. Just, I don't ever want to talk about this again. Let's just start shooting everybody out with this vaccine. Let's roll. It's just, I just want to get, just 2021, fresh slate,

get me to a fucking Islander's game and that's it. I was at the Children's Hospital today in Augusta, And they said they're getting vaccines for frontline workers December 15th. Yeah, it's starting to roll out. I think it's a start. Yeah, you guys donate, what, 50K you donated? Yeah, we started a program with our foundation with the Children Hospital in Augusta. It's going to be sweet for behavior, health and wellness for pediatric.

So it's a weird, weird time, man. Kids are getting thrown through the, I can't imagine having. a kid that wasn't able to get to school or whatever is going through their life right now. And this pandemic is not helping things. Totally. Good work. Look at you, kids. You're not just a pretty face and a nice golf swing, you know?

Yeah, I can take other people's money and spend it well. It's really good. That's really nice thing. What a close on that nice comment. Do you like your golf swing? or would you wish you had someone else's golf swing on tour? My golf swing is probably as good as it's ever been right now. I just wish it had like some more juice.

Yeah, you sent me that video where you got like a power swing. What's our, like are you chasing distance right now? Well, I mean, the whole game is all about distance, right? Now. So I'm 36, about to be 37. My days are numbered if I'm going to hit it. 280 down the middle. I'm going to have to play Sea Island and Colonial and Hilton Head to make all my hay. But if you stay on the top 50 in the world, you play all the world golf championships

and majors where distance is the major key. So I've got to figure out a way to compete those six, eight weeks a year. Even if I miss more fairways, if I can gain 15 or 20 yards by changing my swing, it's worth it. So how do you do that? How do you gain the distance? What do change? Well, for me, I can get more distance by using the ground and using verticals. So getting to my forward legs sooner and jumping makes the whip happen faster, which if you swing the club faster and hit the ball in the center face, the ball goes further. It's just physics. But then I lose my accuracy. So it's double-edged short. I feel like, though, like you've been good in, like, PGA championships.

I feel like at Belle Reeve, you were, like, leading after a couple rounds. This year, you were, what, top – you tied 18th or 12th or something like that at the PGA? Yeah. Well, it just depends on the course. Like, Harding Park, I can play because it's not overly long. You came into a place like Wingfoot. It's all about distance. you know, if I can miss as many fairways as everybody else, no matter what, I'd much rather be hitting nine iron out of the rough than five iron.

So, you know, you take like a dude like Bryson at Wingfoot, if I can hit it 350 in the air and hit a wedge out of the rough or hit it 280 out of the rough in the fair, in the rough and hit it five iron, I'd much rather hit at 350 and hit it in the rough all day. I can hold the green with a wedge out of the rough. I got no chance with a fire iron out of the rough. So it just depends on the setup of the track, to be honest. You brought up Detroit earlier. That was like kind of the eye opener when Bryce was first doing that. I was like, what the hell are we in for here? Yeah, he won that week.

Yeah. And that was where it was like, is this going to turn into like pitching pot for him? And what the hell are we getting into when you talk about? We thought he was going to win every tournament from there out. Yeah. What did the players on tour think about that? after. Were you like, oh, shit, what are we in for here? What were your thoughts kind of internally? Because the media was obviously spun

it into a wild direction. I mean, more power to him, right? He took the time during that whole break to change his body, changed the way he thought about golf. And he saw a competitive advantage to beat the rest of us. And that was through distance. And he trained his body to prepare himself to hit it as far as he possibly can. And the craziest thing about what he's done is like he's not only hitting it far, but he's hitting it pretty damn straight. Like if you told me to hit it game 15 miles an hour and go play next week,

I'm probably going to lose three balls in the first nine. And they're like, I'm out, buzz, I'm out. But I've been blown away how straight he's hitting it. I remember watching him at the Travelers. and Riggs, you've been on that range with me before. There's that other T on the back of that range back there, and it's like 350 to carry to that T. I watched him hit 15 T balls that landed on that T.

Couldn't be more than 30 yards wide, that T. I'm like, what? I can't beat that guy. He's hitting at 350 within a 30-yard variance over and over and over again. Doesn't matter. from there. It's like Riggs playing me straight up. It just doesn't matter.

I'm going to beat your ass. Yeah, I mean, you would kill, you would defeat me. Right. But as a scramble, it's another story. Yeah, when you add the rest of you guys, topping it down the fairway. We got a couple scrambles coming up here. We're playing Pat Perez.

We're playing Domain. Damon or Domain? I always say that wrong. Damon. I like the church things up. When are y'all playing them? Like two days? P.P. said you were wearing them out out there in Scottsdale, Rays.

I haven't even seen him yet. Bad sign. Maybe we're not playing P.P. Fucking guy's been gone the whole time. He was in Mexico or he's been playing. I haven't even seen it. His house looks sick, like his back patio overlooking, like, mountains in the valley and he's got he literally has pillows that are shaped like his name i think he's got a whole thing back you kids do you think we're in trouble we start playing these shorter

courses against these guys man you're never in trouble if y'all just get up and down every time that feels like if we played palmetto same format you would kill us right yeah that's what i think i think we'd get smoke because if you if you had dewey and you were tour kids at Palmetto for that day. What are you firing? I wouldn't need to. What were you firing? Yeah, no doubt. Hoodie hood up kids at Palmetto and he fucking dusted us.

The problem, like, when I will go to Piner's, I don't know shit. Like, I've only been there. I've played five rounds of maybe in my life. Yeah, I remember you walked up to the 14th team and you're like, what the hell happens here to do? I was like, all right, we're still got some sort of room here. If you take me to a place I know, it's a whole different. aspect. We play conservative as hell if we don't know what's out there. But if I know exactly where to hit it, it's game changer. I never even crossed my mind. No, it's true, man, because we're going to be playing like fucking Damon's shot. Don't play people's home courses. That's a

terrible idea. So that's my, yeah, I say let's play the hardest furthest back course we can play. Wait, we're not playing home course this time. We're playing a day and's home course. Amman and Perez is the loser Well no Perez we're not that's not true I didn't know about Dave I didn't know where we were playing What about the girls? Do the girls know that course? They know it It's not their fault course

What do you mean the girls Paige Baranick were playing and her friends Oh boy we're gonna get smoke from that too 150 and three other friends or how many Two She's got, well, yeah, she's got a guy on her team who's a big stoolie who donated money for the Jake Owen Foundation, and he won like the match against us, and he picked as his three partners, Paige, Chelsea, and Melissa, and all three of them at one point played professional golf. And we're just, we're playing from 7,000 yards, which helps us, I think. But, like, they're just better than we are at golf.

Probably a loser. We're going to go. We're getting swept out of the desert for sure. Shrews. Shrews. That sucks. Oh, and two, it sucks. Now I know why you set up camp in Scottsdale for the winter, Briggs.

Why? So we could lose fucking golf matches? Yeah, you got golf matches lined up for the whole winter. Exactly. That's the dream. Living the dream. Like, can't break 80 and you got golf matches lined up on fucking the internet every day. I will say, I'm feeling like, all right.

I'm a roller coaster I comes to these matches but I think that if, and you guys saw me play, we haven't released any of this footage or talked really about anything. We can't because we're holding on to stuff that we've done.

But I'm playing some pretty decent golf right now. I think that we're going to elevate the way we've played in any of these scrambles. I think we're going to be better than we've ever been. It's not what your boy from the Islanders told me. He said you fucking suck. No, he didn't say that, bro. Let me read.

Let me read. Hold on, I got my phone right here. We can read. His exact text. Wait a minute now. Wait a minute now. Wait a minute now. I probably sucked that I was his partner, but we beat his ass when I was against him the next time.

Read what I said. Read what he said probably the first time. This is going to kill all of Frankie's confidence and we're fucked. Yeah, this, Kiz, I don't know about this, man. Can you gas Frankie up right now? Can you just watch? So kids is talking about Calcutterbuck. You guys played out, what's that name called, Ballyhoo or some shit?

Aahoopee. Aahoopee? Yeah. That's a match play course, right? yeah clutterbuck played with like kids and like speed was there he said

Frank you and I play Friday your chipping lesson didn't stick I said he's terrible he said laugh out loud I know it was my first time with him I expected better oh

dude come on first of all come on cow come on cap first of all the guy's a plus two and I'm not going to start on my own teammates, but the guy's a plus two and he hasn't broken like 73 yet or 74. Like, I mean, he really hasn't like, he shot a 73 and then an 81.

So, I mean, Cal needs to step it up too. He's one and one in matches with me. One and one. That's because you're playing up there in New York where it's cold as hell. I want to bring up Cal because it was very, very funny when the Islanders were on that run and you just became like a little mini-islander fan. And y'all would get text. I'd get texts for.

like I'd be a fucking madman. And the Islanders would be in a fucking overtime to like make it into the playoffs game. And I get a text from Kits from Kiz. Like man, that's sucked. Like after the islanders give up a goal. I'm like, who the fuck told Kevin Kisner that this game's on right now? Like someone stopped.

Like I almost deleted his phone number. And I had to like talk him through something. The worst one. And I even brought it up to Cal. Why is Cal not on the fucking ice right now? He's like, he's third line. I'm like,

what's fuck sent me? Yeah. And the worst is when, And the Islanders were in the playoffs. And we and you and Cal were talking like one of the next before. And you're like, you better fucking go out there and score. And then we're all watching the game. He's got it on.

And Cal takes a fucking cheap shot. Like bad. Oh, he got drilled. Bad bit. And he goes off the ice and like doesn't come back. Like he was like wobbly. He didn't know where the fuck he was. And kids in the group text goes like, like you pussy, you can't take a hit.

And I'm just like, and then they announce like Cal Clutterbuck has. not come back to the game due to like a head injury. I was just like, kids, like, this guy's going to murder you when he sees his text message. I brought up to him the other day and he's like, man, that made me laugh when I saw that in the room. He's like, fucking kids just like is so laid back. He's like, I wanted to murder that guy. You know what he told me when I text him on the side?

I'm like, you all right, buddy? He said, yeah, they tell me when I quit drooling on myself, I'm good to go. Yeah, no, he's a really good dude, man. He has a fucking stick. Yeah, he can play. He can play. So you guys like, what was that that you guys all played together? Because he said it was just a bunch of tour pros and then just him.

His buddy owns the joint. Yeah. Michael Walrith. And we didn't have anywhere to go during the pandemic to practice. So he told us to come down there. And he brought Cal. And Cal was just sending it. Man, that must be unreal, though, to play.

Like the laid back, like fun with the boys got. when you just have, I mean, the names that he was riding off are crazy. You guys had some fucking players out there. Yeah, we had some players and Cal was just amongst us like he was part of the game. And he was like, this is out of my league, boys. This is out of my league. I just remember how sunburned he got on his legs because it was hot as shit. And we were giving him so much shit about how red his legs were all day.

It was awesome. And he plays on ice sports, right? I mean, he's never really. Ice sport. And it would look like lobsters on the back of his calves all day. Oh, fuck. Go Islanders. Is he going to play this year or is he toast?

No, he's playing. He's playing. He's got that messed up wrist, man, but he's still playing. I mean, he played well in the playoffs. He's a fucking grinder. He didn't do something with his wrist. I can't remember when we were down there. He took one of the most gruesome injuries I've ever seen in a hockey game.

And there's been some bad ones in the history of the game. Slice his wrist right here with the... the skate, right? Yeah, I think it was Bergeron fell, and he fell into the skate and, like, in the air, and the edge just cut, like, the nerve and the whole entire, like, artery of his hand. Yeah, he showed it to me. It was disgusting. It goes into, like, a part where you start seeing the white.

Like, you know, like, when you see the... Yeah. Imagine now trying to play fucking hockey with your wrist moving around, golf. Oh, but he's a warrior, man. Him and Matt Martin, the Bash brothers, they've led the league and hits, like, for... It was like a seven-year span where they, it was like Calcutter Buck number one, Matmar number two, and they were on the same line, the most fun line to watch on all hockey.

Every time they come out, just fucking people go crazy because they're just laying bodies on the ice. Yeah, that's what you told me. And then the second game I watched him, he's getting carried off on a stretcher. I'm like, what a pussy. It's been a tough segment for our, yeah, for the island. I was like, God dang, he's out there drooling on himself. Get him out of ice, man.

Oh, shit. Kids, I got a question for you. We were talking earlier about nerves and just like how nervous we get at times, especially like first tea jitters and shit. And we were curious, like, you guys, have you like, I don't know, have you learned how to handle nerves better on a golf course?

It's like a technique, or is it just, have you been there? Or do you just sometimes you're like, yeah, I'm really nervous and I can't, figured out either. I think this came from Hovlin, who said afterwards, like, yeah, I get too nervous out there and I can't handle it sometimes. So just as someone who's been there, you won three-time, 25th-ranked player in the world, what do you, what do you got? Any tips, anything you've come up with to handle just when you're nervous as fuck? Man, I get nervous to this day on any, it doesn't matter,

it's just weird. Your body changes every day, and you don't know what they expect from day in, day out, but there's no recipe for experience. No matter what occupation you're in, if you've been in that situation before, you feel more comfortable. It doesn't matter if you're negotiating a contract for a big company. It doesn't matter if you're hammering a nail. It doesn't matter if you're building something.

Like, I feel more comfortable with a chance to win, the more times I have a chance to win. And if you go, like even at CIO, and like I hadn't had a chance to really, really win in six, eight months. And I was like, man, this is fun. Like, I hadn't felt these nerves in a while. If you do that week in and week out, you know, it's kind of like, this is normal. But I think experience is the biggest key and understanding what your body's going to,

how your body's going to react in those situations is the biggest difference. And enjoying the moment. I mean, that's what you got to do. Like the whole point of being in a position to be nervous is that's what you work for and and appreciating that. And instead of so many people in these day and times want to be like nervous or scared to fail. And I think it's the complete opposite. Like I work my ass off to get to this point and I want to shine. And that's the whole point of me being in it.

And all that time I worked and put in this time is to shine in this moment. Wow. Wow. That was inspirational. It was. I didn't know you had that in you. That was not, yeah,

it wasn't. Here we go. You know what? It was, we just, we had a huge conversation about that just a little before, like talking about that has to be it, right? And you said like hammering a nail or fucking do whatever you want.

I equated it to like, we put on these like concerts at Barstle and I'm the drummer. And we were at Irving Plaza in New York City and the fucking lights hit me. And I had to play this, I had to play a solo in like, 1,500 people are here to see a rock show. And it's us fucking idiots up there. Like, somehow we got up there because of the name Barstool.

And I was just like, all right, like, I'm nervous. I thought I was going to drop the sticks. But then, like, in the second song, I'm like, I want to do this for the rest of my life. It was so easy. Because I've drummed my whole life. So I was just like, that's easy shit. Like, I'm ready. Let's book.

We booked the next show while we were in the green room after. We were just like, we're there again. So I could see why it's just like, you're on the green, your first ever pro, your tour, first ever win. your heart's probably in your throat. You're like, what the hell is this feeling? And then, you know, $20 million later, you're probably like, oh, yeah, I know what this feeling feels like. I'm ready to get another one.

Hold my beer and watch this. Exactly. It's interesting. It's also, it hits home when you say, like you just don't know what your body is going to feel like day to day. And it's so true, like on our level, sometimes, like most of time even, I walk to the first team, play plenty of,

golf and even no matter who you're playing with it's like I just feel fine I don't care like who whatever and then other times whether it's the company or whether it's just the day and maybe you just got absolutely hammered the night before and you just stand in the first tee and I'm just like how am I going to possibly put an athletic move upon this golf ball and make it go straight like there's just no way and it's just it's bizarre how different it can change from day to day think about how different it is when your partner or whoever you're playing with shanks the first shot before you go. How much more confidence you gain stepping up to your ball, knowing that someone already did it and that you wouldn't be the first to mess up. When I root for the demise of every single

person in the T-box before I swing. So knowing that- When they both stripe it and then it's your turn. Immediate extra-neres. I'm like, because then I'm just the fucking schmuck out of here holding everyone back. It's extra nerd. But we play in Arizona, even though it's a scramble, when we're playing and that's scramble i will be rooting for you guys to top your first t-balls what about topping it in the pond at palmetto then let's not talk about that let's not talk about that well think about riggs rigs when we did the four-man scramble against all the country starts he had seven guys tea off in front of him all of us hit the fairway and then just put one off the planet to the right i've never seen him hit a ball like that before like that had to be extra nerves right rigs hit one to the right shocking this

was on 18 at Trubidor. It wasn't even close. No, first hole at Troubore. Yeah. No, I'm saying the ball ended up where, oh, the driving range actually. It was on the range. It was, yeah, I mean, it was a bad swing. What do you want me to do? It was a bad ball swing. But I'm with Frankie. I do. I don't know if I actively root for someone's demise on the tea. But when Thiel shanks it, I am as comfortable as can be. I feel like I'm laying in a bed full of pillows when somebody hits a bad first tea shot in front of me.

It's great. How could you ever feel uneasy on a T-shy? I've never seen you miss a fairway. Certainly not on the first T. I rarely miss fairways. After that, it's a bit of a crapshoot. But yeah, I do have a finder. It gets down there, you know, a deep 225, 230, and it's fucking just gone.

You know, that's how it goes. Kiss, since we're getting deep and all like, and you're speaking at such a nice level about, you know, nerves and all this stuff, we were talking about greatness before. and I'd like to get your take on this. Like, we were talking about this movie. I'm not going to get all into it. Everyone just listened to it. But basically, like, what does it take to achieve greatness?

You think of Michael Jordan, Tom Brady, Tiger Woods. Like, they, Tom Brady's the outlaw. But like Michael Jordan and Tiger Woods. They have lived lives that are so tarnished and crazy and tigers listen to war tapes and his mom's feeding him food. Every time he hits a golf ball when he's a child, we've all read the book. and, you know, Michael Jordan has no personal relationships.

Everyone hates him. He's the worst teammate of all time. But they've gotten to the level of, like, ultimate, ultimate success and greatness. Like, is there any, like, do you see the extra level that they took and do you ever wish that you did that? Or are you happy that you are where you are? Because I used you as a comparison. You and Tiger both achieved professional athleticism.

You're both professional golfers. But one guy went about it, like a war fucking guy. and had no life, no personality, no relationships. It's the most tarnished, crazy personal life. And the history of sport. And the other guy is our favorite person in the world. And he's, I'm talking about you. And you're laid back and you fucking drink wine.

You can come on with the boys. You have a real personality. And you just get. Yeah, you're very well adjusted. You wear a hoodie. It's just like you're different. And you both have achieved the same, like, goal at one point. Like, do you ever wish that you did it the other way or are you happy the way you did it?

And is what his way, the only way, to achieve greatness in your mind. I tell people all the time that every superstar I've ever met is a different breed. Like, I can walk in a room and if Michael Jordan or Tiger Woods was standing there or sitting there, you could just feel that they were a different human being than the rest of us. And I think that's an innate something that God or whoever you believe in put in them to be that person. And I think, I don't know, I don't think that necessarily they outworked everybody. Obviously, they worked their butts off, but they have something in them.

They have a DNA. They have a makeup that makes them a superstar. And they all are different. And they all have this same character ability, character trait that makes them a superstar. And I'm not sure what it is, but you can see it and you can feel it when you're around them that they only see themselves. and they only see how to be great at all times and everything they do. And that's the craziest trait I've ever seen.

That's sort of what we thought. It's like we haven't been around it like you have, but that's pretty much what we said. Like, yeah, there's just a different echelon and you're a different human, you're a different breed, you're a different something. And, you know, like we were wondering, like, would you, would like Kevin Kisner even want to, like,

trade lives with somebody like Tiger Woods? Like we were probably like like no, like probably not. Like he's got his thing and his, he can't go out. He can't go to dinner. He can't go sit at the pub. He can't do all of these normal things.

And you're a normal fucking dude. So not being like, would you want to like trade lives with Tiger Woods? I've just changed bank accounts. Right. But that's the problem. It's we said it. It's like fucking Thanos and Avengers.

to throw his daughter off the fucking mountain to get the infinity stone. Like, what did you risk? Everything. Like, I got. No, I wouldn't change my shit for anything, man. I was 10 years ago, if you had told me I was where I am now, I would have been like, yeah, right. But I'm 5, 10, 160 pounds and like to hunt fish and have kids and have a family.

So I don't have that character trait that I think other people, do that are superstars. Is that the only bucket we're in together, non-superstars and other people? No. There's definitely more buckets than that. I'm just trying to think of another bucket where you could lose up. Software salesman, kids. No, no, I'm saying, yeah, that's the only bucket that we would ever be paired in the

same bucket together. Is what? Neither of us are superstars. Oh, yeah, for sure. That's the only bucket we're in the same one. A thousand percent. I'm telling you, if you hang out with superstars for long enough, you'll realize it. There's only a few of them in the world, but I've been fortunate enough to hang out with a few of them,

and they definitely are different than the rest of us. The fact that it, like, gives off to you and competitors and other people in their field who, I mean, the majority of you guys feel like you are the best in the world. So, like, for it to give off to that crew means it's another level of, like, to us, you are that level of, like, we can't even touch that. Right. Like, tigers, obviously, a God at that level. But for you, for you to be like, well, that dude's another breed is scary to me.

I remember at President's Sculpe, at Liberty National. I had a two-week-old baby with me, but Henry, and he wasn't even in my room. Brittany gave me my own room, and she brought Henry and Kate, and I woke up at like 5 a.m. one morning, and just to check on them, and I went to the team room to get coffee, which was like right down the hallway from my room, which we didn't even have to be up until 9 or 10 something we were leaving. And I walked in, and Tiger was in there. getting coffee too and he's in full sweat.

I mean sweat just pouring off of him in workout gear. And I was like, he wasn't even playing. He was a captain. He was hurt, right? Yeah. I was like, where the hell you been? He said, oh, I went to New York fitness this morning across the street and worked out. And I was like, dude, it's 5.15.

He's like, yeah, I went there at 4 o'clock. It's like 4 o'clock in the morning. He was working out, not even playing in the fucking tournament. He was just there. Captain had no responsibility all day except to walk around with P. Reed. And just grinding. Straight off back surgery. That's the difference.

That's why he's a superstar. Right. And obviously at that point, he didn't need to do anything. He never had to do anything ever. And he's over at 4 a.m. Like, that's great. Just a different thing. Stunning.

Really is stunning, man. I think it is innate. I think you're right. Like, that's, you know, anybody can be given as many chances or whatever, but you have to want it that badly. And we're talking about, we've been able to name two guys.

We're talking about Michael Jordan and Tiger Woods. Out of the hundreds, out of the thousands of professional athletes that could have been named, there's two guys that come right to mine. Well, I'll put God rest of him, but Kobe Bryant on that list. I never met Kobe, but I think he was on that same level.

Yeah, same sort of instinct like that, where it's just go, go, go, improve, improve, no matter what you've accomplished, which is pretty much everything before him, but you're still hungry. 100%. It's pretty crazy. You're the 25th best currently ranked person at the game of golf. in the world. I look like 30. Yeah, but I'm number one and cool.

For sure. I'm not going to give you that title. But, do, there's like 30 million people play golf in the U.S. And that's just like the U.S. Think about how many people play in the world? And you're the 25th best out. I think about how many fucking people

try to be good at golf and grind over instructions, swings, YouTube videos, going to the range, working on putting, putting, chipping, bunker shot, everything. And you're, like you said, you're a little five-foot fucking 10 Aiken South Carolina

hillbilly, and you're the 25th best out in the world. That's crazy town. I mean, I don't just sit around and drink wine. I'm grind too. It's not no hobby over here. Right, and that's sort of what

Pat Perez said about Dustin Johnson. Like, the perception of DJ is sometimes that he's, you know, not all there, and he's just sort of, you know, he's athletically talented and he's gifted. But then Pat Perez was like, I mean, the people who are closest to him and his peers like you guys, they see how hard he works. Like, it's not, it's not an accident. It's not, it's nothing other than he works super hard. And yeah, he's got great, God-given talent, but he still works his ass off. Like, I think that is sometimes missed.

DJ's one of the hardest working dudes I know out there. And I've known, DJ since we're at 12. We played, he was my four-ball partner growing up. And I've seen that guy hit more balls and grind harder. After rounds, things that,

you know, most superstars don't do, DJ's doing. And he deserves every, every second of the fame he's getting right now. Yeah, that dude, you hear that all the time.

You hear how hard he works, how much he cares, how even methodically he works. He's on his putting, all kinds of, and I mean, not to pump you tires again, but I tell people that about you all the time. I mean, going to tournaments when it's, you know, you'll be like, no, I'm going to, about three hours before I go into the physio and I've got all this physio work that I do to get my body

in the right spot. And then once I arrive early, I got to grind on this. You got your fucking space boots out in the putting green. Like, you got, there's a whole thing that you're doing. I do people are real. Good job, man. That'll be the best. All of us, this is, all of us were stunned when we were out at Bethpage and we watched you go into the gym or that dream gym trailer.

We're like, well, what's he doing in there? Like, where is he going? And then you're right, though. Like, there's stuff that most people, ourselves included, we just don't see. And then you see it and you're like, oh, it's starting to make some sense now. Yeah, no doubt. As I get there two and a half hours before every tea town, no matter what. I remember when I was, all my boys I grew up with,

10 years ago, one of them was like, man, all you get to do is play golf for a living. I said, well, I'll tell you what, take the week off of work, and I'll pay your salary for the week, and you come with me, and if you make it the whole week, I'll double your salary for the week. He's like, all right, in. So we got there on, I think, Monday afternoon. I played nine holes.

He walked the nine holes outside the ropes. Tuesday morning I got up at five Went to the trailer Just made him sit outside the trailer I worked out I went ate breakfast He had to stand on the range I warmed up for an hour

Chipped for 30 minutes Putted for 30 minutes Played 18 Got done it like Two or three in the afternoon Had a media deal Got done got therapy at like four In afternoon

Told him to wait in the car I got in the car like 5 515 drove back to that hotel. He was like, damn, that was a full day. I was like, yeah, tomorrow I got the pro am. So I tee off at 9. I'm going to get there at 6. I'm going to do that same program again.

He's like, okay. Wednesday afternoon at like 4.30, I was leaving. I said, I'll meet you in the car. Walked out 430. He's like, I think I'm going to head home, dude. I was like, what? He's like, yeah, I've seen enough. I said, we haven't even got to the tournament yet.

I tee off tomorrow at 720. I'm going to get there at 430 for that. He was like, I think I'm just head on back to Aiken. Holy shit, man. You smoked them out. You smoked them out. Just a regular week of work. Yeah, I think it was like Quill Hollow, just a regular old Wells Fargo.

Did you add anything to that week, or is that just as regular and standard as it gets? Did you like, yeah, I was earlier in my career when I could do all that for that many albums. That's great. how like how you said this you think your swings like as good as it's ever been how do you feel a lot of pressure then to like cash in right now no i think i'm on the other side of the bell curve to be honest like i just can't hit it far enough anymore and the distance is so down nice pick. The distance is so big a deal that I can only compete in so many tournaments if I don't

put my ass off. And so I really am trying to stay, you know, I mean, I'll be 37 in February. Think about the dudes that are top 15 in the world. Hovlin just went to top 15 in the world with his win. Hovlin, Wolf, Moracowal, that are all, what, under 24 are all top 15 in the world. So you tell me how we're doing. Come on, 37. That's young.

You're young. No, dude. I think the game's changing. I think it's going to start looking more like tennis. And then next decade, then it looks like golf. I think the age of the Fred couples competing until they're 50 is long gone. I think that the golf game has changed. I think the golf courses are changed.

No golf courses are getting shorter. And as you get older, it only gets harder. Yeah, but tennis is a bunch of old guys. A bunch of guys that have been doing it now forever that are still in the top four. What do you mean by that? How old are they? What, Federer is probably 36.

Chukovic is probably 32, 33. Rafa's probably 36. Yeah, and I think they're done. I disagree with that. But maybe. You better go play to 45? No, but I would say that they got a couple more years in them for sure. Yeah, I would agree with that.

I'm saying I got a couple more years, but I think the bell curve is on the other side. Fair, fair. All right. Like, if you're just saying, like, the age of 32 is the age where you start going on the other side, then, yeah, I agree with that. Right. And joke it's only 33 hours.

I guess it's a good point because it didn't, like golf, they used to say your prime is in your 30s, in your mid-low 30s. Yeah, I just think it's changing. The one thing that I love about golfers, like, tennis, just to compare those two sports, is tennis is brutal on the fact that it's just like, it's you playing DJ, you know, where it's like straight up, you've got to hit a drive versus his drive. But in golf, at least you get to play the course, which I love about it. And you can play it a thousand different ways, which is impossible in the tennis game,

because you're just going up against Federer and hits every shot better than you. You just can't do anything about it. But in golf, you can be creative. And that's why I love, like, that aspect. And I do think it brings them longevity. But to your point of the length of courses and, like, where are the game going there? And then Bryson just hitting a wedge out of the rough versus a fight. five-iron makes just a drastic difference to hold greens and be competitive.

Yeah, I agree with that. There's never going to be a doubt that there's going to be certain courses that I'll always be able to compete on. Yeah. But the majority where you make all the hay I think are changing so drastically that, you know, I'm not going to risk what I can do on the courses I can compete in to be able to compete on the courses that I'm not sure of. Yeah. How good do you feel about the last decade of your life to put yourself in this this point in your life now where you sit back with a bottle of wine. How good do you feel about that last 10 years you've had? That's why I'm sitting there.

That's fair. But I'm trying to sell software tomorrow. I'm sitting here watching the game on two TVs with a fire going. You deserve it, kids. All right, man. Well, when are you playing again? Maui. Wow. Wow. Champins.

Just another free money event. Yeah, how much do you love the, like the WGC? You just got to hit one T-Shod. Then what do you get, 50K? Yeah, that's why I got to keep staying in that top 50 in the world as long as I can. I'm on year six, baby. That's good. That's fucking really good.

Jesus. Year six of all the majors and all the world golf championships. There's not even a lot of guys that can say that. No. No, but you're talking to one. You ever need somebody to take one of those swings for you and cash in a check? You just let me know. Is it going on my bank account or yours?

Give me a buck and I'll do it for you. I told you, Riggs. Wad Wednesday. What? I said like I told you, Wad Wednesday. Oh, yeah. This is great. I wish you would have texted me that.

tell these guys i was having a big time at thanksgiving and you know when you play well and you get a big chunk of change they just zip it right into your bank account on wed on wed after the tour event and all the tour players call it wad wed wed you get a fat big old fat wad in your checking account and i had screenshot my checking account i was going to send it to rigs when i was drinking a bunch of beer over thanksgiving i was like right before i sent it that I had this inclination. This is probably a bad idea. He's going to put this on social media.

So I didn't. And then like a week later, I text Riggs and said, I almost sent you something. And then he started asking all these questions about, so what do they do, man? They just send all this money like a million bucks into your checking account? I was like, yeah, exactly what they do.

It's crazy. I mean, it's sick. You get the text right after the tournament. And then, Wad Wednesday hits, and that's a great, Imagine that's a really cool feeling. Down to roll. Around the Christmas season, you get a giddy for Christmas the next day when you're a kid.

I can't imagine the feeling on Tuesday night. Just waiting, wait, waiting, pulling down your app. Refresh, refresh, refresh, refresh, and boom. Cairs you right through the Christmas season, Lurch. I bet you it does. Wad Wednesday is a fucking great term. Then when does Dewey, what's Dewey's got like, I don't know, I'm trying to think. Doey has to rely on Brittany.

So whenever she gets around to writing this check, he's probably like texting her and on style. Hey, what about that check we made? He's thinking, like, man, has it been enough days that I, would it be rude if I texted? He's probably like meeting the mailman at the down mailbox every day, a week later. Is it here yet? Invalo from the Kisner House? I love Dewey. Sweet.

All right, kids. You're out. Had enough of me? I mean, we could talk all night, but I feel bad sometimes. You know, I know you're like that we don't pay you to come on the show. Did you tell the boys that I'm taking you on a hunting trip? I think I told the boys,

but I don't know if I've told anybody that listens to the show. But, but yeah, yeah, we're going hunting. Rigsie and his dad and his brother are joining me for a hunting trip after Christmas. That's right. You did mention that. If Rigsie doesn't make it back to the foreplay pot, I hope y'all can handle the light. If I don't shoot him, being a degenerate. Imagine a story headline breaks, just like the Dick Cheney story where I get hit by a fucking shotgun spread from kids just being in the wrong spot.

Yeah, it won't be a story. It'll be more like a cuneral. Yeah, it'll be an obituary. Can't take lurch out fucking hunting because he's just too big. If he stood up, he'd definitely get a shotgun to the dome. You shouldn't stand out. That's a great idea. We're going hunting.

So my dad and my brother, big outdoorsmen, they're good fishermen, they're good, I'm just not. And so I'm going to be the odd man out. I just don't know how shit works. I just don't. You're just going to sit next to me and I'll tell you how it works. Yeah, that's fun day. That's literally my plan. I've done plenty of hunting and fishing, but I just don't.

I'm just not a natural. What are you hunting for? I go to kill a bunch of ducks. It's easy enough. That'll be a nice cold morning for Rigsie, depending on when you go. Yeah, I'll wake him up about 5 a.m. With a little cup of coffee with some bailies in it. We'll get rolling.

I can do that. I'm a skier. So, like, that's what, when you ski, it's cold as shit and you get up early as hell. So I can do that. That's fine. Put Rigsie up. We're going to get in water. Sweet.

Yeah, you got waiters for me? Yeah, I got waiters for you. I'll be fine. You'll be fine. You don't worry about anything. You don't want me out to take care of you. That's my plan. I'm just going to legit, like, hold your hand, basically, for three days in the swamps.

You just walk around like my son Henry beside me the whole time. Daddy, what do we do next? That's fine. I won't call you, Daddy, but I will walk you. If you do on video and it, send you a little. into the boys. Steve is going to be upset. Oh, man, he is going to be, he'll be up before you.

He'll be like the, my old man will be like the tiger story. When you go in to get the coffee at like 5 a.m., my old man will have been in there for like two hours straight running like sprints uphill with weights in his backpack ready. Yeah. I just see him like doing push-ups and his waiters waiting on me. He honestly will be. He'll be ready.

He looks tough as nails too. He's got a little hunchback. I don't know if you've met him before, but he works tough and he is tough. That's the kind of dudes we need to put up with Riggs for a week. He thinks I'm the biggest pussy in the world. Who you are. He's not wrong a little bit. He hasn't gotten to know me yet, so I think you've got someone out there

that could probably take that from you. He was, yeah, when he found out and I moved to Scottsdale for the winter, he was just like, he said something just like, yeah, that's great. you're like this coward can't handle a cold or something like that's just he just had to slide something in it so yeah i think he thinks out a little bit of pussy so this will be interesting good luck i have plenty of blood light for you yeah he like we like blood light we're gonna have a good time um all right kids thanks man we appreciate it as always y'all be good enjoying new york up there boys thanks kids what did you uh what did you qualified as uh frankie just a terrible

place or something right now? I don't know. Miserable, terrible, people losing their lives daily. I don't know. You know what's going to happen after this podcast? I may get into a little back and forth with Mr. Calcutterbuck after this. We're talking about my golf game. I may have to send him a little text here.

He did. So I appreciate it. Worst than expected or something? Yeah, I think that's what it. I think I said he's terrible and he said, yeah, worse than expected. Which is hard coming from a guy that only knew about how bad I was. Right. That means you're terrible.

Yeah. What do you think we go in this? So we play the girls, then we play Joel, and then we play Pat. One and two. Who do we be? The girls. All right. Well, you're the only tour player.

If there's berties for them, there's berties for us. We're four capable moving people that can get the ball from the T to the green. Yeah, but upper L's green is not good. It has to be a good. I mean, even Trent can hit it with the girls. Yeah, probably drive it pretty similar distance, Trent. Pretty very, I would say very similar, yeah.

When we played the, but Paige, Paige, they hit it further than you do. We played the short shootout this past year. Charlie Hoffman was my partner. We played with Lexi Thompson the first day, and the win was in off the right on. and Lexi got out there and smoked this like tumbling draw with the wind and then Charlie got out there and he'll sliced it up into the wind and we gave him shit the whole way down the pairway she blew it like 20 by him oh man she gets it further than I do so I can't talk shit but uh damn it was funny

I wrote Charlie's ass all the day long my birthday shot um um um um um One and two, we'll take it. Is our third goodbye coming here, I think our third goodbye out of Riggs is coming here pretty quickly? I would take one and two, but I want to go three and no. What are y'all? Two and a no? Two and a. You got it.

There's a chance that our most impressive win that we'll ever have was against you, and it was the first match we ever did. Yeah, you played your asses off. Yeah, we did. One hit wonders? Yeah. I was up and downs coming down the stretch. I was just like, boy, is this kind of.

coming from. Oh shit. That's a perfect example of counting your chickens before they hatch. What came first of the chicken or the egg? I was counting my chickens. Like, oh, I won this all. And then rigs were like skank going up there to four feet. Kids, what came first, the chicken or the egg?

Had to be the chicken. I said the egg. Yeah. This was on this podcast, actually, today. Then we started talking about the ever-expanding universe and it got dark. All right. Do you think the universe

that there's like a wall at the edge of the universe or do you think it just goes, like, if it goes forever, but it's expanding, what is it expanding into? Does it like there's...

There's got to be an end somewhere, right? They're saying it expands every day. It's never, and it's always expanding, but Larch doesn't like to talk about stuff on podcast. He doesn't want to do it. This is...

Did you just see the star right now? No, no, no. This Jupiter and Saturn, I think, are lined up right now. You can see it. The biggest star of all time. What? Really? Yeah.

Get your app out on your phone and do the universe. Jupiter, I think it's Jupiter and Saturn. Don't quote me on it, but two of the planets are lined up making a humongous star right now. So go check it out. God damn. No, Frankie, I was just saying my brother's kid asked him about Oh, I didn't come through. Okay, what space is.

And then I was like, good luck with that one. I explained space, like, I'm out of here. Would you go to space right now if you were asked? Yes. No fucking chance. I can, I get nervous on planes, man. Take lurch. No chance.

I would do it. What? Dude, do you not, to go to space? You know how people have been to space? I don't care. I'm with Frankie. I get nervous every time I take off on a flight. I'm like, here we go.

Yeah. Once I'm up there, I'm like, holy fuck, if I'm in space, I mean, I'm looking around like this was a bad idea, man. Look at where the world is. It's in our fucking window. Making a flight is like obligatory. You're doing it to get from A to B. Going into space, you're doing it to be like a monumental experience.

To never come back, essentially. No. Yeah, I just see like that. astronaut is floating off in space and that would be me. I'm out. You'd be trying to go to the bathroom and take a wrong turn and then you're just out there. Yeah. Little little baby kids just going away.

I can't move and I got like that cord hanging off my back and it's just floating off. And then where do you go, Lurch, if you float off? You end up in a bookcase like Matthew McConaughey. Interstellar. Hit the wall and slide down and dead you are. God, that would be the most depressing thing. Like, if you fall from, you know, God forbid, like a building or something like that, it's pretty quick. If you detach from a space shuttle.

Toast. But you're alive for a long time. Long time. Like until you dehydrate or you like, you know. I think I pop open the thing and just do it. I think you run out of oxygen pretty quickly, actually. Oh, really? In the space suit?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you can only hold oxygen so long. I guess, yeah, because if you lose that, too, if you lose your bellic cord or whatever. Frankie's right. I think I would just open the mask and let it just like, it takes 10 or 15 seconds to, like, just kill me pretty quickly. That's see you later. Oh, I think you got less than a second.

I think you freeze up and you're like, it's like. I've seen the movies. Just fucking. Yeah. The positive way to have this little, this podcast, dude. There's this dumb, dumb HBO show, I think it is, where it's like everyone's stuck on this fucking ship. It's a new one.

And Josh Gad, I think, is in it? I don't know, whatever. And they're all stuck on this, like, basically space crews and they can't get off and they don't want to tell everyone. So they're, like, telling people like, oh, like, we can just, this is, they'll end up getting, like, cabin fever. And all the people on the cruise are like, it's a, it's not actually space out there. They lied to us.

And, like, someone goes to, like, they all try and run. out of space and they all just do that freeze thing as they get out of the door. It's actually a very funny scene. Every single person's like, let's go and they jump out and they just freeze midstep. It's nuts. Looks like that show is called Avenue 5. Yes, thank you. I've never heard of that.

It's horrible. How did we get on people floating away in space? I asked them with the chicken and the egg. That's a bad question to start people on. I've got to get better at this podcast and thing. We're doing all right, Frank. Yeah. Keep your head up.

Thanks, kids. All right. Well, I don't want to be the goodbye guy now because then large you can call me out. Where's our bell curve, kids? We're talking about like the peaks and valleys. Where's the bell curve of four play? No, no, at the top right now. You better ride the space thing as long as you can.

Space thing. Your umbilical cord, as we say. It's shrinking and it's getting right here. of your body. Do you ever not like when we follow you at a tournament? Do you ever get like annoyed? No. I want every stoolie you got to bring it. Fucking right.

I actually wonder that too. Like if you just sometimes... Like if you're just playing poorly and we're just us idiots are there like, what's okay, what up? For Instagram. Like, fuck you, dude. I can promise you I'm not trying to play shitty. No, I met like just like, all right. Like not today, bro.

Just get out of here. You get annoying to you. Yeah, yeah. No, never. All right. It's good to know. Now you can never get rid of us. You had a chance for a second there.

But the problem is you can't come back to tournaments for a long time. True, bro. Maybe the vaccine will help. How badly do you guys need fans? Bad. Is it different? Not only for revenue, but like for the juice of the tournaments. Yeah.

We need them to influence the outcome. The tournaments don't pop right now, eh? Nah. I mean, we've had to, we're the only sports league to go up in TV, but still, we need fans. I think some guys got away with a couple wins this year, like getting lucky that there was no. I mean, I would hate to say that,

but there's no doubt that the atmosphere was way easier to win a golf tournament. Yeah. Yeah. 100%. I mean, I don't care what tournament you're in. People yelling at you makes it harder to concentrate. Totally.

Yeah, I mean, how wouldn't it? Dude, we were walking at Wingfoot, and that was the only one I went to this year, and it was weird, man. The leader walking down, like, there's no juice. And there's just nothing. Just no juice. Yeah, fuck. That's all you got for us.

Griggs, give us one more. goodbye. This be my fifth, I think. I think it's five. I think it's five or six. Should kids say goodbye to us? All right, guys. I really enjoyed it.

Brendan, I really appreciate you being blacked out and off your mic the entire time. What up, bro. Thank you. What up, bro. You have kids. Georgia sucks. What did you say?

He said Georgia sucks. Jake, actually, I texted my buddy. My roommate's the die-hard Alabama fan. You guys need to get to get to get. drinks one night and I said who's the most who's the best wide receiver in Alabama history and he said probably between Julio or Devante yeah I mean Julio started I mean we're not going to get into this but Julio was like the first big he was the first big saving recruit and that's kind of like what tip the whole question is he said he goes statistically he's right

what what you said but he's like what who would he want back on a Julio Holy right right that was his point I mean ask kids about the blackout game there's some fans at SEC games. Yeah. George is looking for a new AD if any of y'all want to throw your name in the hat. Sounds like a world I would get eaten up in. I don't know.

Yeah, I wouldn't suspect you'd be at the top of the list, right? Just like Southern football to me is a whole world that I can't even touch. Like it's I'm not, I'm not anything about that. Nothing about my makeup can survive that. Even like we went to a Clemson game, and that was crazy for me. Yeah, I mean, I'm, I'm Midwest football, and I think we're pretty into it, but it doesn't touch the South. No.

Me and Smitty almost died when we went to Louisville for a game. There was a fucking giant, like, inflatable slide. Oh, yeah, Trent was a collapsed the slide. I mean, it was a nightmare. People were screaming. We don't have to get into that. People were screaming. Dude, they were.

I've seen the video. Again, but that's one of the few times in my life where I was not sure it was going to be okay. You got a couple big bodies on an inflatable thing. Like, imagine you going down on one of those things. It topples. I mean, Smitty is a big body. And they both went down. There was a bunch of girls on it.

And it, like, exploded and fell over everyone. There was horror screens from the video. No, I mean, just the way Riggs explained screens. screaming is something. But then it was shrieks. Shrieking is more the word. It was shrieks. Smitty's scary because he's a big body with no athleticism and no control over

his body. He's actually, yeah, because he's square. At least you're like nimble and you can maneuver your way. He's a one, he can't turn left or right or do anything to stop. He is. I remember we were at the, like, at Five Iron,

I gave Smitty my driver. He took one swing with it, put a dummy mark right on top of like a brand new driver. I looked at him. I was like, dude, come on, man. One swing. You had one swing. That's all you had you to put a dummy mark on it. And then the best part about Smitty says, this guy, kids, he like brags about,

and he's a great dude. He's awesome. He's a guy about being an athlete, yeah, he brags about being an athlete, like a high school, like try hard athlete, which is the best part of the backside of him. Yeah. Yeah. People were shrieking. They were legit. Like,

the girls were shrieked. they were screaming for their lives. There is video that somewhere, and I don't think I could watch it again. Terrify. We're scared of then Jake when Jake saw the kangaroo. Jake was pretty fucking afraid of the kangaroo. I was pretty afraid of this kangaroos.

In Australia, he was shook. Jake was shook. I'm watching that footage, like, as we speak, like maybe five hours ago, I was watching it. And Jake, you were legitimate. really, like, upset. And I was, like, terrified, yeah. You can't go near the, don't go near the kangaroo.

This isn't even funny anymore. I need to go home. We didn't come away to the fucking other start of the world to get kicked by a kangaroo. And he, like, walked, like, fast. Yeah, just sprinted away. I was like, dude, it's a fucking kangaroo. Everyone's filming you walk away from you guys trying to fight. Like, fine, fuck you all.

And then you walked away. Like, dude, the kangaroo can just get you. You're not like, you're not like going into hyperspace. He could just go where you're walking. Kids can ask a golf question? Yeah, man. How did it feel to watch the Alabama game with Justin Thomas? Was he talking shit?

No, we were very subdued. It was actually very quiet because Georgia was obviously hanging early and then as a guy I had control. We just argued back and forth about calls the entire time about how the rest was screwing us. And then obviously he didn't feel that same way. What's going on? That question that was golf just Justin Thomas?

Was that it? Yeah. Well, they were at the tournament. They were at a tournament. Yeah. We were. You guys usually watch that game together, I feel like. We were supposed to be there this year, but didn't work out.

COVID, 2020. Oh. I was going to let them show me around Tuscaloosa. Damn. Been to Tuscaloosa. It's a good time. I'm sure it is. Most SEC schools.

SEC school cities are. They got, there's like, everybody says there's like a bar that's JT's fucking bar and he has. Whenever he goes back, he always gets like

the front table and posts up there for like eight hours straight. Yeah, I'll probably be there too. That place blew my mind to school, so.

That was the Morgan Wallen bar industry. Yeah, he missed Saturday Night Live over it. He was back two nights ago. Yeah. They gave him a second chance.

That's nice. It's nice to see second chances, you know. You watch movies or shows, kids? Mostly sports this time of year, Frankie. You know, binging anything on... I just did Yellowstone, you know, this summer. Yeah.

Nothing right now. My wife says we're going to watch something called Undying or Undoing. Undoing. Is that yet? Yeah. I binged it one day. Really?

From 1 a.m. to like 7. fucking a.m. It was great. I just stayed up. It's just a murder mystery, who done it. So it's like you can watch that shit, no problem. Like super easily. I guess I'm about to go start that then.

There you go. Is that all HBO? Yeah. Is there somebody hot in that? Nicole Kidman or somebody like that? There's Nicole Kidman, who I think is very attractive. Dude, she's a smoke bomb in this series. Who, Nicole Kidman?

She's what, like 56? I don't know. I looked out. She's like 53 or 56? and she looks like she's fucking, like, 24, like younger than kids looks right now. He looks great, but then there's the mistress in the show. Get ready to have your mind blown, because this is crazy hot. Really?

Yes. Maybe the best body, maybe the best body ever shown in TV history. Mistresses and Nicole Kidman, I'm in. I'm about you start. Get ready. Make a little bowl of popcorn. Yeah. Buttered, salted.

let's roll. Bro. I haven't had that. Good is movie popcorn. I miss movie popcorn, man. Dude, I used to go to the movies when I was in the mood for popcorn. I'd be like, I'm fucking in the mood for popcorn. Let's go to the movies.

I would rather get that whole experience, large tub in between my legs. You'd rather pay 20 bucks for the whole bucket than just $2. When Game of Thrones was going crazy, I actually went to the movie theater in New York City by my apartment, got movie theater popcorn, and brought it back to my apartment. apartment. Game changer. At least New York's good for something. I used to get a big packet of milk cuds with popcorn and just love it. You got to dump the Reese's pieces.

I hate when people mix the pot. I get the salty and sweet. Ugh. Ugh. You know what? It's time for that Christmas popcorn where it's like the fucking the four. Oh, the four corners with a caramel.

No. Cheddar box. A cheddar one, bro. Yeah. Dude, Fuck you. Fuck you. You know what?

I'm going to get one tomorrow. You can just get it like a fucking CVS. There's a million of them. I'm sure you're probably doing like a day Portnoy review on one pretty soon. I've been, yeah, I've actually, the last 10 minutes or actually feels like more,

I've just been grinding over pizza places for tomorrow. Like I'm getting text messages. Just making the list. Tard, bro. Well, you might as well fly to Scottsdale and see Rigsley and do one. when we're going there on Wednesday. This place, you know Grimaldi's pizza, Frank? Yep.

They have one out there? It's literally, it's across the street, like, from my physical apartment. Get out of here. My actual apartment. So, dude, I heard actually Scottsdale in particular, maybe it's like Tempe, Tempe. Arizona has some fucking good pizza. Dude.

Makes sense. Really good pizza. Why does that make sense? This Gramelemyle. Why does that make sense? Why does that make sense, Lurch? It makes zero sense, Lurch. I think it makes perfect sense.

No, it makes zero. That Scottsdale, Arizona has great pizza. Tough when you go to make a throwaway comment like Lurch, and then people just call you out. No, I think my defense of that is, like, kind of wacky. But I think in my head it makes sense. But I'm going to leave it as that. Have you been to Mastros yet, Riggs?

No. You got to go to Mastros. This is a good spot. Like, Scottsdale's got to be known for Mexican food. yeah the Mexican food here is the tacos it's phenomenal here they don't have us Italians like they do in New York or Scottsdale what I will say dude this from all the you know what you know why the pizza is good is you get a ton of snowbirds that move from that area out here open up restaurants

and cook some good fucking pizza only part I could see to lurch is the point is that people move from the places that like if that was going to be your argument I would agree with you The people that move from the places where the pizza are good to that area, then yes, the pizza will end up being good. Like Florida, if you go to Naples where all the fucking Brooklynites, like they all retire down there, they need good pizza. All those fucking retired mafia guys, if you think they're not bringing the brick oven slice with them, you're insane.

So there's actually a really good pizza in Florida. What do you think about the water? People always say like the water's different. Kiz doesn't know about the water. Don't get Frankie started, Brendan. His doesn't even want to talk about that. I mean, me and I probably agree on this then. There's an argument to be made that New York has water that allows the New York dough to have a certain kind of chemical balance to raise.

Right. So like the yeast of dough, all this stuff, it's just something about the water to the point where places in Arizona and Colorado, he'll ship the water from New York out there to get their bagels to rise, all that shit. I call bullshit. It's got to do something with like our level of L.L. elevation and the water. It's just probably just the corruptness and the terribleness of the water.

Now people dying up there because of the water. Maybe it's people drowning in the Hudson River, the salt. Yeah. Also, you guys were a great pizza and bagel, that's for sure. You're just at sea level, like you're on long out, like you're just... I added that little part and I've never heard that part.

Yeah, I've never heard that one. I was going to say. It's going to let it right. You're at like six feet elevation. Yeah, I made that one up. Trent, you got cackeys on? No, I got sweatpants on. Oh, it's all. Yeah.

Oh. Good flexibility, too. How cold is it up there? Is it cold as balls today? Yes, probably let me look. It was like 35 today. 305. Gross.

Yeah, it's 36 outside right now. No snow yet? No. No. It's been a rain. It's coming. It'll, the rain, or, The snow's coming.

It's coming. Hopefully. Enjoy. I don't mind cold weather. I don't mind cold weather. I see. You look like it's cold in your apartment. I was talking to Frankie about this the other day.

Or I was talking to somebody about it. Whenever it dips below like 38 degrees, I now put this hat on because the bald spot I have going on in my head right now is much worse than I even realize. He's mad at us. What? You're mad at us for not telling you the other day. in Philly at the gambling house, I kept noticing clips of us going out.

And the one thing I kept looking at was my bald spot, and it is much worse than I realize. So now I just put a hat on whenever I can. It's cold out. I'm putting this hat on. It's bad, dude. Show us. Yeah, just show it.

Wow, that looks good. You know? I might have to go. It's just time to go straight rays on that thing. You're going to come, you're going to do the rips? Dude, you will look so tough. It's crazy. crazy when you go bald.

Yeah, I used to do that when I played football in high school. I'd shave my head. I do. It was SVP said I looked menacing. He did say menacing. If I went, if I went full bald, I'd be in the hospital. So, I mean, it's, yeah, I look at great hair. Frankie, when you don't wear a hat, I think you have good hair.

I mean, I wore a hat all day today, so it's not showing up. But, I mean, it's there. It's not kids fucking Smiley Kaufman here. You got kind of a euro. You got like a euro hair. Yeah. Stands up a little. It's like, I don't know.

You look like a substitute soccer player. Are we talking about me right now or a bug? Yeah. Yeah. He needs gel in his hair. Dude, my ears. Way too long. Oh, you think my hat's fucking tight?

It's like red. My head. All right. All right. Jordan, I'm going to watch undoing or undying or whatever. It's not that hard to say. It's just undoing. That's one word.

Thank you. Wait. We want a full report back on Yeah Yeah I'm curious to see who you think did it Like throughout the episodes Because it changed a few times

As we went Let us know what you think about I think about I think about I think about some of the things you see in that show All right Let me just text the thread here Yeah just send us a thread

Yeah Bring us a sentence Get the boys going a little bit Yeah I like to get going A little group text Get the boys going a little bit. I'll start it too. I've never seen it.

I'll start it with you. Because the last thing I'll say, you want to know how opposite our lives are to yours and how you're a professional. I think we're not. Trent and I, for our job, streamed a video game for 14 hours the other day.

And while you were out probably playing golf, getting better at your skill and making $700 grand in a week, what do you think about that? That we sat on a fucking chair and played a video game for 14 hours. That's how we spent a day of our lives. It was also like a weekend for you.

That was a... Yeah. It was a Saturday. Yeah. Yeah, but Trent doesn't have anything better to do. He's going to sit there anyway. Sorry, bro. I don't disagree with that.

Wow, there's nothing wrong with that, Trent. That's fine. There's nothing wrong with it. I think it's great. Bachelor, it isn't on until Tuesday. Are you still live tweeting that? Of course. Yeah.

Who's going to win? Right now, I would say it's neck and neck between Ben and Zach C. they've been doing a lot of sexing on there no they don't they don't usually do the sex thing until there's later in the show there is there's a whole thing called the fantasy suite dates when there's four people left they all get a big in the fantasy suite they get to do the sex thing which is good

that's when it really happens that's when you figure out who you want to do it with yeah yeah pretty much that's when Trent gets going in the group chats oh fuck they're going in this fantasy suites. That's when you need to be dragging the bags out after that. See what's all left in the bags. I just, I love that show unconditionally. There's just no way about it.

Don't they, Trent, doesn't the guy usually like always keeps at least one of the super crazy but really hot chicks around for the fantasy suite? Well, yeah, that's been happening in a recent memory where you look at one girl and she's just going off the wall and you're like, why is he keep? around and then it dawns on you that like the fantasy sweet dates are coming up and it's like if I've gone through this much mental torture I might we might as well have a fantasy sweet date together they do the sex thing the sex thing I've heard I've heard a few things about that the sex thing what a fucking golf show this was wow yeah yeah man okay Kevin all golf um um go what I'm doing

I'm gonna start it tonight too so I'll probably make it through half an episode so don't text me. It'll take me days to get through an episode. I'm not going to binge watch it all night like Brendan. I have kids to wake up at 6.30. It was just so interesting. I needed to do it. No.

There's never anything that interesting unless it's somebody naked. You may very much watch a lot of these episodes then. Oh, man. All right, Kiss. Thanks, bro. I appreciate it. Bye, Kevin. I'll hear from me. Merry Christmas.

I'll send y'all lots of video of Riggs, Mist and Ducks. Hell, yeah, I love that. As long as someone hits him, it looks like I shot it. That's right. What I always do when I have some other bodies, I'm like, all right, Rigg, shoot that one, and he shoots and I shoot at the same time. Like, good job, man. That out of that.

Can't wait. Can't wait. See you, kids. All right, I'll be good. Appreciate it. Yeah. Yeah. Let it.