Fore Play - Fusion 2.0

Episode Date: April 20, 2023

Foot & ankle specialist Dr. Norman Waldrop joins us (01:59-21:39) to discuss the latest Tiger Woods surgery, the recovery timetable, and how the expected results could impact his golf future. Then Trent, Frankie and Riggs chat about the Zurich Classic Celebrity Shootout, the Islanders’ playoff run, slow play, Trent’s impending Breaking 90 outlook, new courses at Rodeo Dunes and Pinehurst, and golfers as athletes.You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

Hey, 4Play listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcast, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Oh, Rick! What's that my brother? I've got a buddy who struggles with that shot. I love. His name's Frankie Borrelli. So the guys actually gave him a nickname of Butternives because he always knites it across the green.

Brok it's 100. Now you've got to break 90. You appreciate what you guys do for golf. It's been really cool. Thank you. You're making it cool. I was like, hey, Phil, you only fucking $29.99. And he grabs 100.

He's like, yeah, I won $90,000 of these yesterday. He goes, take 100 and go fuck yourself. What? What are you guys hitting? It's ain't a hobby. Four Blabes are my barstool sports. We got a big show. Obviously, the Tiger Woods news broke on Wednesday.

So we did our best. We got huge help from our friend, Dr. Brett McCabe, who put us in touch with an expert, a surgeon when it comes. comes to ankles and feet. We got Dr. Norman E. Waldrop, who is a board certified. He's the fellowship trained orthopedic surgeon specializing in foot and ankle surgery at the foot and ankle center at Andrews Sports Medicine. He's a huge golfer.

He literally had to give us a bit of an hour or so before he could come on because he's finishing up around the golf. He does a fantastic job of going through the Tiger situation, the most up-to-date. his issues that he has noticed with golf, the course is where his ankle has struggled more than others and how he thinks it's going to help or hurt or play out going forward. You'll just have to listen to that. We're going to lead off with that since obviously the Tiger Woods news is huge.

We happen to like Tiger Woods on this show. And then immediately after that, Frankie joins myself, Trent, we go through the Zurich Classic, the New York Islanders, everything that's going on in the world of golf and our weeks and the whole deal. So without further ado, we are going to throw it to an ankle. and foot surgeon who's going to quite professionally go through the Tiger Woods situation. All right, folks, we're joined today by a very special guest who has incredibly impressive title and just the way that this man is addressed compared to the rest of us.

This is Dr. Norman E. Waldrop III as well. Is that correct? That's correct. You didn't have to give the whole thing, though. I like it. We have Frank Borrelli, the third on our show. So, you know, sometimes when he's being a perhaps a bad boy, we kind of call him by his full name, Frank Brelly, the third. But yours is much more legitimate.

We've got you on. You are a board certified fellowship trained orthopedic surgeon who specializes in foot and ankle surgery at the foot and ankle center and Andrews sports medicine. Obviously, the Tiger Woods news came out. But you clearly do a lot of very impressive work in this field. I'm very curious because when this announcement came out from Tiger, it might as well have been in Japanese to us. When this first came across your radar, I assume you understood this better than we did. Yeah. So, you know, the news that he released today is that he had a sub-tailor fusion by Dr. Marty O'Malley up in HSS in New York City.

So, you know, obviously that's pretty big news. that's certainly a big deal and certainly explains a lot of things about what's been going on with him. Marty has taken care of some of the best athletes in the world. I mean, he's got a list longer than you can name. So Tiger certainly is just additive to that list and he's in great hands for sure. But certainly this is big news for Tiger and explains a lot about what was going on at Augusta for him and in other places for sure. So let's sort of break this down through the statement.

So it says he had a sub-tailor fusion procedure to address his post-traumatic arthritis from his previous talus fracture. What does that mean in English? Yeah. So a lot of people are going to, first of all, say, oh, my gosh, he had his ankle fused. He did not have his ankle fused. So there are two parts to the hind foot.

There's the ankle, and then there's the joint below it, the subtailer joint. So the subtailer joint is the joint below the ankle. So his ankle will still work. So the up and the down of the ankle will still work. So the subtailer joint, which is the joint below the talus, which was the one that he fractured, which controls the side-to-side movement, is the one that gets fused. Generally speaking in the world, we do sub-tailer fusions for mainly, one reason. There's some other reasons. We won't get into that. But one reason is pain. And if you've

noticed Tiger over the past, you know, two years, it's, it's been obvious he's been in a lot of discomfort. And so obviously the level had reached a point where it was affecting the things that he likes to do, live life and play golf. And so that that is the reason why you do that sub-tailor fusion. And so that he had reached the point. point where he and his physician had decided, okay, at this point, it's worth doing. So the post-traumatic arthritis, that's the pain we're talking about, or is that something else? No, that's exactly it. So when you have a fracture like he had, which was obviously a significant injury, a lot of

times what happens is the cartilage in that joint, so the lining, the cushion in the joint gets damaged and it goes bad and you end up with bone-on-bone arthritis. and that bone-on-bone contact hurts. And in the subtailer joint, unlike, say, the knee or the hip, you hear about knee replacements and hip replacements and things like that. So we do knee replacements and hip replacements for arthritis. We're replacing the joint. In the subtailer joint, we don't really have that option.

So the number one option is to fuse it. And what we're doing with that fusion is it's simply just trying to get those two bones to grow together. When those two bones grow together, there's no joint. When there's no joint, there's no pain. So you're giving a trade-off, which is no pain for the lack of motion. And we can certainly get into that, how that will affect us golf here in a little bit. Yeah.

So you are a big golfer, I believe you're a scratch golfer. But shout out to Dr. Brett McCabe, our guy who kind of set this up and described you as a scratch golfer. So you know the game of golf. you watch Tiger over the last year and a half, you know a lot about, you know as much as anyone on earth, I think about ankles and feet and injuries and rehab and motion,

everything you just described and what a lot of us, I think, learned, you know, from 2017 when Tiger had the back fusion is kind of this fusion situation can help out a lot on the pain front and take care of a lot of things, but it can limit your motion. So as someone who knows golf,

knows this situation really well. What are sort of the, I know you're not going to be able to predict exactly the outcome, but what are some of the general kind of outlooks and differences, pros, cons that you would expect in the golf game from something like this? So that's a great question. So I think let's do two things. Let's look in hindsight. So the subtailer motion, as I talk to all my patient, is what works on uneven ground.

So golf courses are played on uneven ground. And so it's brought out by walking on unlevel services, which golf courses are. So some golf courses are worse than others, right? So if you go back and look at Tiger's history, he struggled at Southern Hills, which is up and down, right? He has had difficulty at Augusta, which is maybe the most uneven level golf course in the world when it comes to the fairways. So that is where that joint is working the hardest. If you look at the open championship, a lot flatter golf course. His subtailer joint doesn't have to work as hard.

His ankle can use, can absorb most of that much. He does okay. Riviera, once you get off the hill, is pretty flat. Same thing. His sub-tailor joint doesn't have to work as hard. So he's clearly been picking and choosing what works and what doesn't in terms of how hard. that joint has to work. So if you look at it in hindsight, it certainly makes sense.

He struggled at Augusta where that uneven level, uneven surfaces brings out the most. I always tell my patient's bunkers is where they're going to see it the most. If you go back and look at Tiger, he struggled some out of those bunkers. If you remember some of his fairway shots, he hit one leg in out of bunkers because he has to work that joint really hard. And so the tradeoff he's going to see is. is less motion, obviously lack of motion in a joint for pain relief, which sometimes is actually a positive trade-off. You get rid of the pain, even though the joint's not moving, it doesn't

hurt. And when it doesn't hurt, he loses the fear of what's going to happen when he hits the shot on that level I. So a lot of times, even though he's getting the restriction of the motion, he's getting the positive effect if it's not going to hurt. And he's such a great golfer and such an elite athlete that I bet he's going to be able to adjust for that lack of motion. So what's it going to look like when he does play, you know, hopefully when he plays Augusta the next time and that sub-tailor, I'm not pronouncing any of these correctly, by the way, is fused up, is it like, does it still make it, you can still walk those golf courses. Is it going to look different?

Is it going to feel different? What's that going to look like? Well, it may not look down. It may look better, honestly. to the untrained diet, just to the regular Joe Blow, who's watching him walk, they may actually think he walks better because he's not going to have as much of a limp. His sub-tailor joint may not have the normal give to it on that uneven level, but if you're not in pain, the fear avoidance goes away.

And so he may walk actually better. Now, there's going to have to be some compensations because the sub-tailor joint works in the golf swing. it does. It works on the side to side. The through motion on the right foot, on the left foot as you get on your left side, it works hard. So there's going to have to be some compensation. But he's going to be able to do it. And so most people, assuming that it fuses well and the pain goes away, which I bet it will, most people will notice that he walks better, not worse. Interesting. Wow. I got to be honest, this last three minutes or so, this chat has me ready to run through the 2024, maybe 2025, Tiger Woods.

Well, I mean, he's great athlete. Yeah, he'll lose a little bit of motion, but as long as that pain's not there, he'll figure it out. That's literally what happened with the back, where it was a disaster for like five years. Everything they tried didn't work. Finally bit the bullet, fused it up, which is crazy risky, but it eliminated all that pain. It left him quite stiff and he had to figure out the range of motion, but he won the master's and he won two other events.

he ascended to one of the best players in the world again. So what age and scenario do you guys usually see an injury like this and a procedure like this? I mean, to be honest with you, man, it's all over the board. So a lot of times with post-traumatic arthritis like this, I mean, you see it in young people who've had car wrecks. You see it in older people who've developed it for different reasons. So it's all over the board. I mean, I've done it as young as teenagers before. because they've either, you know, because they've been in a car wreck, et cetera, and they,

they can live their life pretty normally. And to be honest with you, if you asked me and you pin me down and I had to have a fusion in the midfoot or the hind foot, this is not one of the worst ones to have. And I think, you know, notwithstanding age and him just getting older, I suspect that he's going to be able to deal with it pretty well. You know, it's going to knock him out for several months. You know, it's a three to four months recovery, and then he's got to get strong and do all that kind of stuff. So I would expect he's going to miss all the majors this year.

But, you know, I think it's reasonable to try to point towards next year to play. And I don't see why not. If I was his treating surgeon, I would say, absolutely. I don't see why you couldn't play again. Oh, God, doctor. That's great. I'm telling you, man, I like this guy. we got to get you on every week.

Anytime somebody's negative about Tiger, we just, I got to ask you because the, you know, obviously this is this, this, the arthritis is a result of the, the trauma and everything that happened to the ankle.

This, you know, fusion of the, the subtaller fusion is not the only issue that's going on down in that part of this foot. So this combined with everything else that I'm sure you know all the details. of the different surgeries that he had from the car accident and all that,

you kind of feel as long as this goes well and it fuses properly and he rehabilitates it properly and all that, that even with all that other stuff that he, you know, likely would be in a better place movement-wise with pain and all that than he probably was before this. Yeah, like,

I think that's the best question you could possibly ask, to be honest with you. So yes is the is the baseline answer to that. Yes, he'll be in a better place. The overall theme, though, is there's a lot of trauma from the car wreck, right? I mean, it wasn't this little area. There's other things. And so there's other things that are going to affect the long term.

That's okay. You got to, you know, as a surgeon trying to deal with this stuff, you take the big stuff, you deal with that, then you whittle it down, right? and so you do the things that are going to affect him the most, the first. And obviously, this is one of those things that was a glaring problem. So absolutely. And Dr. O'Malley will knock it out of the park, and he's in great hands. And so once he heals up, I fully expect he will be a better version than he was this year.

He could still hit the ball. And when you get rid of that pain and he gets rid of the, Oh, my God, when I hit the shot, how bad is this going to hurt? When that goes out of the back of your mind, you lose that fear. And I suspect it's going to make a difference in helping. All right. I mean, that's great. That's great news.

We're in a good spot then. We've been here before, Trent. We've been here many times before. It's a cigar. It feels like deja vu. It's a different part of the body. But yeah. Let's regroup.

It's a good thing. Let's get it right. Let's do it properly. Let's get back. We've got the best player of all time. I got to ask you, doctor on a on a well go ahead if you had if you're going to chime in on there on that point no what i'll say is what you what people don't understand is he's an elite athlete elite athletes are different

you know you know i've had my fortune or misfortune or whatever you want to say it of taking care of a lot of them and they heal different and they do different and they think different and they're just different than me or you guys it's a it's a whole different mentality and i'm you they heal differently and they think differently and you have to use that to your advantage as the treating surgeon and and as doctors who who deal with that kind of stuff because they really are just different and and tiger is in that category and he's proven it before and so until he tells us differently from from a surgery i got zero reason to doubt it excellent it's You keep getting better and better.

I was going to ask you kind of along those lines of, you know, you're a surgeon, you treat elite level athletes. You've seen some, some injuries, some situations that you have to go into and take care of. What's like the biggest operation, all things considered, star power, implications, trickery of the situation. What's like the biggest moment for you that was your medical, surgical, like super bowl that you had to bring it? I can't, I don't know that I can share that. So that's definitely something like, I think that's a HIPAA violation.

I think you just asked him for a HIPAA violation. So I'm not going to say that. You would be, you would be very aware of those situations. And so, but I, and you're, you would know them. I'm going to let that go. I will, we'll say that, you know, ultimately, you know, those guys are motivated different. And, and you just, you just know, you just know. that, you know, they want to get better.

And they're, you know, those top guys, sure, I mean, they got all the body of the world, but they're motivated differently. They heal differently. They want to be different. That's what got them there. And as a surgeon, you know, you're there to help them get back to that level. And you just got to, you just got to help them sort of reinstill their confidence that got them there that you're going to be able to get them back to that level.

And I've been there. I mean, believe you, believe you me, I've had plenty of sporting events where I've either been there live on the sidelines or on TV where I've held my breath going, oh, Lord, do your job. That can be a little bit nerve-wracking, but, you know, no different in this case. Obviously, Tiger is at the number one top of the list. It doesn't matter where he is in his career. And we all want to see him do well. And I, man, I expect him to be back. I've got an ankle question for you. Before we let you go, you've been great. You got a lot of information for us.

I've got, I've got cancels. Are those superior to regular ankles? That's the best question I've been asked in a while. So cancels, if hidden under an appropriate pair of five pocket pants, can be to your advantage. If you are in the appropriate, stop. in five pocket pants, they are to your advantage. But if you're letting the world see them under the wrong pair of shorts and the wrong pair of socks, it can be a real problem. See, you've got to use them to your advantage mentally against your opponent.

I just feel like I'm less likely to twist an ankle. And I don't know if that's a mental thing or if it's a real thing, but I feel like I never twist an ankle. And I feel very sturdy. Tree trunks down there. That's right. You've got plenty of soft tissue there to help you out. So it's giving you all the support you need. That's all right.

That's the answer I was looking for. Thank you. That's good, Trent. That's good, man. I'm glad you got that off your chest. That's something I feel like Trent's been dealing with for a long time that he really

needed to ask. This is the first time we've had a, such a guy with a wealth of knowledge about the ankle and the foot. And it's, that's why I figured I had to ask. So, Regs, I know you're there in New Orleans.

That's a little bit of my second, second home these days almost as help out the saints. Y'all eating some good food, having a good time. So yes. Yep. So your boy, Dr. Brett McCabe,

he, we're going on tonight. We're going to Mr. Bees with him. So we're meeting him at 8 o'clock at Mr. Bees. He raves about that place. And then last night we went to Galliano's and got,

oh, it was so good. That's exactly. That's the current. direct response. It's a good barbecue shrimp, have a good old-fashioned and make sure you finish it off with some good bread pudding and you're going to be in good shape. Let's go.

We're mere hours from that. So we're at the excitement high. Guys stopped eating at lunch today to kind of prepare and keep some open room. So, so yeah, if there's one guy, we feel like that we have a lot of confidence in that department around town here. Dr. Brett McCabe's done a great job so far. Awesome. Well, and last thing is shout out to my guy, Trey Mullinax. You need to go find him. He's the guy I play a lot of golf with here in Birmingham out at Chowcru.

Go find him, needle him, give him a hard time. He plays better when you give him a hard time, I promise. Amazing. Amazing. We will. We'll do that. We really appreciate it. This info has been fantastic. So we appreciate you taking the time and helping our audience understand what's going on with Tiger. and being really quite optimistic about the outlook here. Absolutely. I appreciate you guys having me on. And, you know, I am optimistic. We all want to see him back.

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Frankie, I know how much you love food. I know how seriously you take it. I know how great of an experience you guys had last year. Our first stop recommended again by Dr. Brett McCabe, your golf shrink, John Rom's golf coach in the mental game aspect. He gave us Galliano's went there last night. Probably the best thing I've ever had or had so far this year were the, I guess they were baked oysters that we had. Is that correct?

Friedos. Are they fried there? They're baked. So they gave us the choice. They were like, do you want raw? Excuse me. My voice is going. Do you want raw oysters or baked oysters?

And we got baked oysters. We got barbecue shrimp and we got a Cajun Wellington. Those were our appetizers. And they were all home runs. But the baked clams were, or the baked oysters were probably the best part. Sounds delicious. Very good.

It was delicious. How are, so we got a few things to get to. We played in the Celebrity Shootout yesterday. And I have to say from the, from the fellas just a combined effort. Incredible showing. We don't always have that on camera or in front of folks.

So incredible showing when to go through those details. But we really wanted to get Frankie involved because Borelli streams, probably for a man who I feel like goes through a good amount of stress day in and day out, probably your most stressful time of the year there, Frankie. Yeah, it's a crazy moment in my life. Just it's battle. And, you know, we're down one nothing. And when people listen to this, we could either either be 1-1 or,

or down to nothing. It's a long series. I called the Islanders in seven from the get-go. You got to lose three games for that to happen. So I was anticipating losing some games. Game one was super exciting. I mean, people say it's boring hockey, but when it's a two-one game for basically, when it's a one-goal game for, I think it was 58 minutes of hockey, I mean, that's just every single shot could either tie the game up or, you know, end it. So you're on the edge of your seat the entire time. Borelli's had about 380 people inside it and only fits 200. I mean, it's just we're finding every little crevice for people to pile into. Tonight we've got MSG, the, the broadcasting team from the Islanders coming to film Borelli's in between each period. So it's

going to be chaos. It's so much fun walking into that restaurant knowing where it was three years ago where me and my dad would walk around. It would be an empty, an absolutely empty restaurant because COVID shut it down for seven months. And then now it's like being able to go full, circle and bring it all back and make sure that people are inside and going crazy like they were in the 80s. It's so much fucking fun. But yeah, it's fucking live and die, man. I see all everyone like, act like you've been there before. And I say this all the time. I said this on chicklets recently. Like, why would I act like I've been there before? This is what the whole thing's about. If you're a fan of any sport, I don't ever, I would never ever tell you to just calm down or like

act like you've been there before wait until the championship it's all about the ride it's all about the journey there every single goal why wouldn't i act like that's the biggest moment of our lives that you don't get many of those and who knows when you get to do that again i got my dad on my side i've got stu finer on my left like i'm gonna take advantage of that every single chance i get and for you to be like a hard o fan or like a gatekeeper or like a watcher of like oh i don't think that guy's being genuine enough and he should be able to to be reserved after each goal and act like he's a basically act like a gentleman at the end of the game and shake like what are you fucking talking about the only thing that we can do as fans is live and die by the team that we're watching we can't affect the game we can't shoot the puck we can't stop the puck we can only just cheer and boo so why wouldn't i do that to the fullest extent every single second i live and die by that stuff and that's what i that's what drives me and that's what drives everyone in that restaurant. So like, I'll never change with that. And I don't think any fan should ever should ever apologize for like wanting to do that.

Well, I'd also say it's true for hockey in particular because say, like take a sport like basketball in the NBA, if a team like the Islanders, the equivalent to the Islanders in the NBA snuck into the playoffs on the last day in the playoffs, they're getting punted into the sun in the first series. Like there's no doubt about it. In hockey, from what I've gathered over my years of not watching it, but being aware of it, is that any team can win the Stanley Cup. It doesn't matter what seed you are. It's pretty much if the goalie gets hot and your team plays well enough, you can make

a run, a deep run and maybe even win the thing. So go into each series, each team, each fan with that mindset of a hockey team, of course you're going to go fucking crazy every time it's a one goal game or every time they score or you're going to be devastated anytime the other team scores to not feel that way for hockey in particular, I think you would be insane. Yeah, I totally agree. I think it's just just live, man. Like, I don't understand why we always have to make excuses or have to like have a have a, have a, have a, have a reasoning for wanting to have excitement and fun in life. Why does everything have to be cringy or like I don't understand why they're doing this and like act like you've been there before? Why

does everything in the world have to be that? Why can't it just be happy? Why can't it just be exciting? Why can't it? And it is. For us, it is. It's just there's this world where people like to, they like to be like the, you know, Briggs is the direct, or what is he the, the compass, the moral compass of the moral compass of pioneers. He's the moral compass of pioneers. People are like the moral compass of happiness on hockey Twitter. Like they don't want you to exceed a level of excitement before a certain game. And to that, I say you can suck my hairless asshole because, you know, I'm not very hairy, but you can just suck every little part of me because I'm never going to stop.

I'm never ever going to stop. And one day I will, will raise that cup. And it's going to be the greatest woman ever. And if it's this year, it's this year. If it's not, it's next year. If it's not that year, it's the next year. And we're just going to keep going. We're never going to stop.

I think you have nobody, nobody to apologize, too, for no reason. I mean, this is the whole point. We talk about the ride. The ride is better than the destination. you're supposed to be excited for the whole thing. If you weren't that excited and jacked up, there'd be no reason to be an Islander fan. There'd be no reason to really do anything. So I live for it.

The clips go crazy. Dave loves the clips. I've never met anybody is passionate, really about everything that happens. I mean, anything. If it's an interaction with a valet, if it's a shot on a golf course, now you take all that and you package it into really the main thing that you care about in life, which is New York Islanders. And then you're at your restaurant, your dad's there. an emotional guy.

You got hundreds of people. It's fucking awesome. It's home run. So that's the reason you're not here is because you guys are doing those streams. I root for the Islanders at this time. They're friends of the program. Love Clutterbuck texted him last week when the Penguins lost and that allowed

you guys to get back in. It's nuts to think that a week ago when we were recording a show that that show, you basically had said like, by the time this comes out, there's a good chance the islanders are just eliminated for the year. Here we are a week later doing another show. And you guys are just in the playoffs with a chance. So yeah, it's fucking great. I love the streams.

I do feel like you because of your personality and your fire for the Islanders and the all caps tweets and everything, you galvanize people against you more than anyone. It's like Whitney's like against you and he has no reason to be. It's just like people are just, people were just after you nonstop. So. Well, here. Well, here's the truth, Frankie. Here's the truth. They don't want to see you succeed.

They don't want to see you and the New York Islanders make a run because they know what kind of monster that we create. And I want to see it. I know Riggs wants to see it. I think pretty much everyone wants to see it except those ones that you're talking about where it's like they know if you make it to the next round and then the next round that it's just going to be you're a monster, but it's fucking fun to watch. Yeah.

And you know what? I respect the people that, you know, that want me to lose. I do respect that. I actually enjoy the rivalry because I watch the Ranger. I haven't missed a Ranger game in 10 years. I don't miss a single. I have notifications on. I know every single stat.

I know every single puck that crosses that line for the Rangers. I know about it. So last night was a horrible night for me. The Rangers look really good. I also bet the Rangers to win the Stanley Cup as a hedge your happiness bet. I can win $26,000 if they win the Cup because I figured that if they do win the cup, I'll win 30 grand. So, yeah, no, it's, I, I love the rivalry. I think that's what's, that's, that's, that's, one of the best parts of living in New York is the fact that everything's split and you're the person that lives in your own house can hate the team that you love and you just have this fucking rivalry with everybody.

So that's how I was born. I was born in the fucking mud when it comes to sports watching. And, yeah, no, I'm just, I'm, I'm so excited. We're going back to Brearleys tonight. I get all these DMs, too, and tweets during these times and they see me and my dad and me and all my family run around. They're like, dude, the things I would do to go back and be able to watch like a hockey game with my dad. Like the fact that you're able to do this right now is insane. And I never take that for granted for a second.

Like I'm constantly thinking about how lucky am I that I'm able to go to my family's restaurant, watch my favorite team and my dad's there jumping up and down with me. It's like I'm literally, I'm soaking in the moment each time. And so I'm never going to not. I'm never going to take the foot off the gas when it comes to that. These are the moments right now when I'm 60s. 70 years old. You look back. I was 29. The island just made this amazing run two years in the row. My dad's shoveling, I'm shoveling beers down my dad's throat. It's all over the internet.

People going crazy. Like these are the moments right now. I'm living them. These are them. So don't ever fucking tell me to take my foot up the gas with it because I'm not. I'm not going to. I'm just going to keep going. How is Mr. Borrelli? As, as hateable as you can be to, you know, certain portions of the internet, your dad can't be more lovable. How's he doing through this thing? Well, he's got a lot going on right now. We've got this going on. We've got the new Borelli's in Long Beach going on that I am opening up with my cousin. So he wasn't even supposed to be involved with that. But now he's there every single day because he can't not be involved in anything.

The guy doesn't stop working. 64 years old, he's delivering pizzas for $10 to people's houses. I'm like, dad, you're still delivering. The other day I went over to set up the stream. And I'm like,

where are you going? It was, I got a delivery to Fulton commas. It's like an old people home. I'm like, he was bringing a lobster biscuit and a Coca-Cola and he was walking it across the street. That's what this guy. The guy owns the business.

He's doing it. It's just he never stops. He never. ever, ever stops. So he's very excited to see everyone in the restaurant. We've got the new place opening up in like two weeks. There's a lot going on in the Borelli's world. Let's just go Islanders.

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Yeah, it was my first experience. You guys played last year, Frank. You had an all-time moment on the ninth hole with Chris Berman last year where he dapped you up after you hit a great shot. And man, we were just right back in it as soon as we arrived. For whatever reason, this podcast, we seem to find ourselves in incredibly nerve-wracking first T-shot moments many more times a year than we would like to, which one would be many more times than we would like to.

but for guys that are not good at golf that don't have like nice fundamentally sound golf swings and such, for guys that are put in those situations, people that have great swings that are fundamentally sound melt down in those situations frequently. We see crazy bad shots. We saw Mito Pereira hit one of the craziest looking T shots I've ever seen in my life to make a double and blow a major championship. He's a phenomenal golfer. We stink at golf and now we're in situations where for us, we're just as nervous. Now obviously we're not trying to win a major championship, but for all intents and purposes, we're shaking. We got no control of our limbs.

And here we were just in it yesterday. Walk up to the driving range. Chris Berman gave us an amazing, like, good to see you guys. And then goes, where's that weapon? Where's your lefty about that? I'll remember that. I'll be honest. The guy plays like a million different pro amps and like how the fuck does he remember the Zurich classic last year when the lefty had a good shot?

That's exactly what I was going to say. When we were walking up, I was, I think I was saying to Brendan like, Chris, Burman's a legend. He plays in a ton of these programs. I will be stunned if he remembers us at all. And then he as soon as we got there, we said I to Ben Mintz, King of the South. He's down here, of course. Great to see him. Right. And then Chris Burman was on the range. And yeah, he turned around. He's like, where's the lefty? And my jaw is the floor. I was like, this guy not only remembers us, but remembers the guy who's not even here. Incredible. That was crazy. And then he gave you a little stimp meter on your head. That's one of the funniest pictures of all time. Chris Burman just rubbing trends. buzz cut and saying this is a 12 on the stem meter it's unbelievable he is and i'm sure you could go back and listen to frankie and i talk about this shootout last year and all about burman but the guy's a legend he's the legend of legend we were talking about it on the car ride home yesterday like the guy on the mic called him the godfather of vspn and that is fully true like he is the guy

and he is he's a legendary broadcaster he's been around forever he's still doing it on sundays i'm pretty sure like that that that guy the fact that we get to be around him at all is something if you had told you know eight year old trent who's home sick from school watching the price is right and sports center reruns all day and chris burman's all over my tv i just wouldn't believe it homes yeah right yeah i mean if it's crazy if you give barstool any credit for what they did for like culture or sports like showing a different uh putting it in a different lane and putting a different voice on it he did that for mainstream sports when it comes to sports center They're doing the whoop and the screaming and being so excited as opposed to a reserved commentator talking about highlights.

And it was very boring. And it was like, this is what happened last night in sports. All of a sudden, you have Berman going crazy every time there's a juke. And, you know, anything that was exciting, he was going to let you know that he was fucking excited about because he loves football. And he just breeds and just lives football. He's huge. He's a unit. And he just, he consumes every inch of the space that he's in because he's,

with his voice and his and his personality. And when you're around him at something like this, you can't help but just be gravitated to him. You want to see everything he's saying. You want to know everything he's doing. He's an amazing human. He's very engaging. Like the 12-10-10-meter, like that was just a thing that we caught.

He was all day chirping, talking. At one point, we were talking about the weather in the Northeast, Tim and I. I don't think we called this on camera. I'm pretty sure we didn't. But we were talking about how it's been a weird winter. and then last week in Connecticut, he was saying it was 91. And he goes, you know who can predict these better than the weathermen with all that with their technology is the guys with the farmer's almanac? The guy, these guys months before the weather's going to hit, years before they predict what's going to happen.

And more times than not, they're right. And I was just sitting there, I think, I'm talking about the farmer's almanac with Chris Berman right now. Life can't get much better than this. No, I can't. He is incredible. That was my first experience with him. I was blown away. He is an icon, like you just said, he deserves all the credit in the world.

He changed the game. He's the godfather of ESPN and ushering in, like the Stuart Scots and the SVPs and the Boucheracres. Like he brought it at ESPN, and he still brings it today. He's 68 years old, hits his first tee shot down the middle. He had back surgery a year and a half ago. He throws his hat. He's rubbing Trent's head.

He couldn't have been nicer. He's making little comments after everybody's shot. And after everybody hits a good shot, he's fist bumping him. He's just a showman. And he, he blew me away at how great he was because you're nervous when you meet these people. You're nervous that they're going to be larger than life, right? That they're going to be bigger than you. They're on a pedestal.

And he was just as cool as he could be. He was first time I met him was on the range. And he was, hey, you weren't here last year, right? And we were chatting. Tell me about what you guys do. And I'm telling them about what we do. And he's genuinely asking questions. He, like, wants to know.

about, oh, you guys just do the golf. Interesting. So with the part of my take guys that I've done stuff with, tell me about them. I go, well, they kind of handle the bigger sports, their football, basketball, whatever sports in, they cover that. And then we are very exclusively pretty much do what they do,

but we do it for golf. And we kind of are in the silo of golf. He's like, God, I make so much more sense now. So you guys go around all the time. And he's just so into it. I'm like, you're fucking Chris Berman. There's a million people around here.

Why are you talking to me right now? You should be taught, you know, you shouldn't be talking to me. You're better than talking to me. So he was incredible. Stepping up on that first tea, things happened pretty quickly. I feel like we were on the tea taking a picture. The next thing, you know, it's like Trent,

they're like Trent Ryan from Barstool. And there's like 100 people around. There's kids. The whole thing's for charity. Everybody's excited to be out there. There's celebrities. There's cameras and phones everywhere. And our guy, Trent Ryan, is just on the tea, about to hit a tea shot.

We're both shake. We're both doing the thing. We're like, dude, I'd pay you $500 to just go hit. this shot for me and I'll just go home. I don't want to be here. And Trent, Trent's golf game right now. I had heard whispers about early season up in New York.

I'd heard whispers that Trent was kind of bringing it that he's been, he's walking nine holes, 18 holes out there. He's playing by himself. He's immersing himself in the world of golf. He came on this show and was like, I think carts are for the birds now. If you're not walking, you don't really understand golf.

Like, what the fuck is going on? Steps up. First hole. It's a great drive. down the right side instead hits probably the best i would say the single best golf like full golf swing shot i've ever seen trit ryan hit on the first hole in a fucking celebrity shootout with people everywhere it's the best one to like four feet you hit a seven iron to like four feet yeah it's probably the best shot i've ever hit that i was talking rigs about it i hit a shot during the max

homest scramble not not the putts or anything but there was one shot it's like one 15 where i put it within an inch it almost went in the hole that was up until yesterday that was probably the best shot I've ever hit. That's seven iron. It just came off great. Yeah, I hit it to like five or six feet. Miss the putt for those wondering. I did miss the putt. But like, yeah, dude, my game's in a really good spot. And I, Frankie and I've been playing a little bit and I've been playing a lot by myself. And it's really just coming around. And I'm sure people will say, yeah, no shit, dude. Like you play more. You start practicing a little bit more. Of course it's going to come around. That turns out to be true. We played, so the format for the shootout, you play four holes. You get teamed up with somebody.

I was teamed up with Will Lutz from the New Orleans Saints place kicker. Guy is awesome. He was fucking super cool. And you play the first hole is best ball, second hole is alternate shot, third hole is best ball. Fourth hole is alternate shot again. And when I played my own ball, I had, it was two holes. I had birdie licks on both holes and they were both easy pars.

So it's just, things are just happening. And I'm playing really well. I'm glad that I was able to hit that seven iron like on camera so people can see that my game is coming around. And it's funny. Riggs, we were talking afterwards. And Riggs is like, take whatever you're thinking about today during these rounds, write it down and be thinking about that going forward because whatever you're doing right now, it's working.

And I said, I've been doing that. I've been playing well. And I've been thinking about the things that I've been thinking about. And what I've been thinking about, all I think about when I'm over the ball is Fred Couples. That's all I think about. I think about the tempo of his swing, how slow it is, how smooth it is, how good. great it is. And when I'm over the ball, that's all I'm thinking about. And it slows down my swing to the point where things just start to work. Because in the past, I've just been really fast. The

tempo has been way off. If you watch my old swings, it's like boom. And it's just, it's horrific. It doesn't give me any time for my swing to do anything that it's supposed to do. But when I think about that legend, Fred couples, it slows me down just enough. And I know my swing doesn't look like that. I know the tempo is not the same, but in my brain, it feels a little bit more like that. And that's how I'm able to hit a shot like that seven eye. It's all mental. The only, well, prior to this, and I've obviously gotten many lessons now when it comes to Dr. Brett McCabe and Trevor Immelman and Scott Fawcett, but leading into, you know, my golfing life when I was like 16 years old or 15 years old, I got a lesson at a PGA superstore or like a golf galaxy. And the guy was like, he took, I took a

swing and he was like, all right, now in your head, try and swing 50% speed. Just like try and legitimately do half that. And I did that. And then he showed me a video of it and it looked like I was going 120 miles an hour. And I was like, there's no fucking way. And ever since then, I really just, it like unlocked something where then I was able to start playing a little bit better golf and then it became more fun because now you're just thinking slower, slower, slower.

I've always had an issue with that. So I completely see where you're coming from with drumming. I feel like if I go really slow, I'm like, there's no way that's how the song's supposed to go. And then you hear it and you're like, oh, shit, that was actually fast. So I've had a problem with tempo my whole life. I completely get that. Having a mental, like, thing to think about like that's going to be huge for you. Trendsman playing fantastic golf.

We are going to start breaking 90 again. We took a little bit of a hiatus because you can't keep just pumping out episodes where you, we both thought it wasn't going to happen each time we stepped up to the tea. And that's no place to be when you're filming a video that a lot of people like. like to watch. So I think we're in a great spot where the next episode, once we film it, everyone's going to think that he has a chance to do it. And we know that he has a chance to do it. We played at Rockville recently on our own. And Trent shot like a 94 with two blowup holes. So it's like he's right there. Right there. I shot a 94 at Rockville. I went, uh, 5143 for those at home.

Yeah, 5143. So that's what I'm talking about, dude. And he got he got fucked on that fourth hole again. Or is the fifth hole? On the fifth hole again at Rockville, the water hole. It's 120 yard fucking part of three. The guy made like a six again. So at the end of the day, he is going to break 90. It's just bound to happen very, very soon, I think, because he's just playing great golf. So once that series comes back, get hyped because Trent Daddy is going to do it.

But he hasn't done it yet. I feel like people here you're playing a lot of golf and they're probably like, oh, he's probably done it already. You haven't done it yet. You've been playing nine holes. When we played 18, shot 94, you're right there. So I can't wait to get back up and just fucking. do it because you're going to do it you're just going to do it no i'm playing well enough that i can

definitely do it so i'm like i'm chomping at the bit to film one of these to see because it is different like when you i mean we play on camera all the time so people may not believe me but when i play by myself or like when frank and i go play rockville there's just there's a little bit less pressure but then when you go out there and it's like here's the time where you got to try to break 90 and there's going to be a lot of people watching which i really appreciate but there is that extra pressure as opposed to when you're just kind of playing nine holes or you're playing 18 with no cameras. So I'm ready to see how the game feels during an actual episode of breaking 90. Like I'm ready to try. So we're going to do that very soon. I think you're going to do it.

I also, by the way, I got, I got Zach Johnson's number yesterday. I saw that. That's wild. It was a big one. Now, are you going to utilize that? Are you going to utilize that? I'm probably not going to use it. I mean, the only time I would use it because I was thinking about it. And the reason it came about was we were talking to Dr. Brett McCabe out of the Zurich yesterday, kind of hanging around by the putting green. We were talking about restaurant recommendations, which Dr. Brett McCabe is the king in New Orleans. And Zach Johnson came up to me, shook my hand and was like, I saw you getting cough this morning, but I didn't have your number.

He, like, saw the backside of me. He said it was my skinny rear end walking away from him. And he's like, I didn't have your number to text you and be like, oh, I'm right behind you. Like, let's whatever. And then the conversation. kind of drifted away from that. And I couldn't get it out of my head that he didn't have my number.

So the whole time, while Dr. Brett McCabe is chirping him about LSU and Iowa, the women's championship, I'm just trying to keep Zach around long enough to get his number. And he's starting to walk away. And Brett McCabe is still giving him shit about the championship game. And to the point where I was finally like, give me your number. Like, let's just exchange our numbers right now. So we did it. He texted me.

He just texted me Zach, which was great. and now I have this number and I don't know how much I'm going to utilize it. I'm certainly not going to abuse it. Maybe if a big Iowa sports moment happens, I'll send him a text like, holy shit, you see this going on. But I'm not going to text him today like, hey, man, how's your day going? That's not how many. Did you write back, Trent? No.

So he doesn't. So did he save it? Did you take his number? Did he save your name and his phone? He saved me in my. Okay. So the next time you text him, he'll know it says Trent. He'll know it.

Yes. Okay. Yeah, I think you're in a good spot. I think you're in a great spot. You're not going to text him like, hey, Zach, here are my picks for the captain's picks for this year's Rider Cup team. Make sure you take these into account. I don't think so. I, that's, it's crazy. He is the Rider Cup captain. Fuck. I know. I know. I, it's, I've never seen Trent that bull. Trent, like, because Zach did make that little comment very clearly of like, I saw you, but I didn't have your number. so I couldn't hit you, whatever. And then Zach kind of made a little quip and then like was walking away and Trent like, stepped out of the conversation to be like, let me get that number to Zach Johnson. Let me get that number.

And I've never seen you do anything like that. It's, it's something, it's just a big moment. I had to he, I wouldn't, I would have never asked him for his number without him prompting saying, I don't have your number.

Like if that conversation had started and he was like, oh, great to see you guys. Thanks for coming to Zwer, classic. It's great to see you, whatever. And then walked away.

I would have never been like, hey, can I have your number? But he specifically said, I don't have your number. And I was like, well, this is one of the few opportunities I'm going to get to get this guy's number. So I pounced on it. You know, you got to take advantage of the opportunities when they're presented to you. That's also your guy, Zach Johnson, Iowa, everything about that, you have to get that done. You absolutely have to get that done. That's like a thing where it's like my family, they'll see the clip and they'll see the picture and they'll be like, this fucking guy's got Zach Johnson's number.

And that's cool for us as a family. Fucking guys got Zach Johnson's phone number. Shout to my guy, Pete Werner, linebacker for the New Orleans Saints, Ohio State guy. We won the Celebrity Shootout, came down to a put off at the end. He made a huge four-hole thing like Trent said.

He made a huge par putt on the first hole. He got up and down. I made a bogey. And then after that, we just heat it up. It made a birdie on the third hole. Then in the last hole, everybody missed the green, which I was shocking. It was like 150 downwind. Everybody missed the green.

There were two or three shots in the water. Mine barely didn't go in the water. We all made fours, went down to a lag putt. I got to go last. We weren't able to watch the first couple. We had to turn our backs, which is very stressful. I've done, we've made people do that at the Barstow Classic truly putting contest before. I've never had to do it myself.

It's very, really, really difficult to not just watch other people put, but we didn't. And then I got to go last. Hit a good pot. I wish it would have gone in. Would have made that clip off, you know, off the charts. But we ended up winning 10 grand each for charity of our choice. I guess we got to sync up with the team and figure out where we're going to send that money. I think Trent and everybody else got five grand to charity.

So between the two of us, we've got 15 grand for charity that we got to give away. So we were kind of thinking first T, maybe first T and E. order could we go up there because that's what you guys did last year um write them a nice check help out the youth that are getting involved in the game of golf uh and and and you know congratulations to us bringing home a little bit of money for charity which i didn't even know was at play at the beginning of the day that we had that much money for charity last year there was whispers about 10,000 and i remember trent and i looked at each other and we're like are we going to win 10,000 dollars if we just make a three here on this last hole because i didn't know it's for charity at first so

if anyone had seen that clip of me last year, I was going for the cash. I was flag hunting thinking that I was getting green at the end of this thing. But yeah, we ended up giving it to the first T program. There's a lot of first T programs that we can find to give that out. The MET obviously is a huge one here in New York, but there's some that they actually, they absolutely grind over month to month expenses. So I think the first T program is a great one if you find the right branch. I want to give a shout out to my caddy from yesterday.

his name is Josh, senior in high school, state champ, and he's going to Southern Alabama on a scholarship. Kid is great. It's funny when you talk to somebody like that, we were talking to him a little bit at the end rigs where we were explaining like, yeah, he's, you know, he's state champ. He's got a scholarship to go to Southern Alabama. It's like, dude, this is the best part of your life. Like, you got to understand. This is going into college and you're young and you're like, you're clearly a stud. Dude, he shot a 63 at his home course.

Like, dude, kid is a stud. And it's like, dude, just enjoy this because you're going to have a blast. So if he ends up hearing this, I know he watches all of our videos. He's a big fan of us. Dude, good luck, enjoy it and just make the most of it. This is the best time of your life. How much of a, like, it's not an issue, but he's going to have to come across some decision making when it comes to like, you're a state champion.

You're playing at Southern Alabama. You've got a chance to really make a career out of golf. He's like got a leg up on most people. when it comes to his path towards professional golf right now. He's going to get a scholarship to play college golf. Like, he's like, do you fully commit to doing that? Like, he has a decision to make right now. Do you fully commit your next four or five years to doing that?

Or do you just like do it leisurely, have fun, get experiences, like, be happy that you got a full ride scholarship. Like, there's a huge difference between like giving it your all and like basically giving up on all the experience and then not. I feel like some of these really high-tier athletes coming out of high school have like a crazy decision to make. That's interesting. I hadn't thought about it like that. I mean, I wasn't that so I don't know what that feels like. I think it could be a mix, you know? It depends on the person, but it's like, you know, we know plenty of guys on tour that it's not like every single second of their life is like eating perfectly, never having a sip of alcohol, never having any fun. And if they didn't do it that way, they like wouldn't be on tour. So it's not. like I think in college you have to go all in one way or the other but I do agree with you

there's a big difference between being like a pretty average college degenerate who just like skates by and has an absolute rager of a time and being like a top top tier athlete if we're going to call you know the age old debate about athletes and sports uh it's definitely a decision but I I don't know that it's like I'm going to go one way or the other you know what I mean I don't think that this like 17 year old is making that call. That's hard for any, like we can't even make decisions and we're, you know,

twice that age. But I think the 17 year olds that make that call are the ones that end up with like the special careers. You know what I mean? You're like, that kid had something that no one else did. He had a commitment at an early age that nobody else did. He saw this path that nobody else did.

I feel like there's always that one or two kids that like they decide that going in. You're like, oh yeah, like I wasn't going to do that. Like I wasn't going to fucking practice. Joel Damon wasn't a shit show. in college at time you know what I'm so for sure right like there's always outliers oh I was thinking I was like I was thinking about kids like you think kids didn't have a good time at Georgia like I was

definitely was a psycho golfer growing up no like you can't like you don't think he was like the most committed to his I think it can be both I think you can definitely yeah both it can I think you can just have both right like we know plenty of NHL players that it's like they're elite level athletes that are very committed but they also can send it and like get after it and I think that that's probably similar at that level. And some people can't do both, right? Like I, but hockey always stuns me though.

Hockey always stuns me like guys like when they were 14, like leave their family to go live with like a random family like somewhere else in another state just because like they're trying to get to the NHL one day. It's like you basically give up living with your friends, your family just to hope for this dream. And then they end up getting it done like hockey to me is like the biggest commitment at the earliest age. Hockey always blows my mind.

I'm like, what do you mean you live with some random family? from Canada, they moved up to Canada or they came down to the States and there's living with like a foster family. I'm like, you're homeless essentially just because one day you want to hope to be the one out of a billion kids to fucking make the NHL. That's insane. Yeah, but I guess to that point then when they actually get to college and hockey, it's actually it's, it's, you're, you almost rejoin the group of normal people. You know what I mean? Like everyone's now instead of doing this crazy thing, it's like, well, the football players at school and the tennis player and everybody at school was kind of living in college together and you can kind of have a time and do both.

But that's true. It's like, I guess it's kind of your definition of like what is the commitment and what is like the sacrifice. It's different. I told people, I played in college. I played hockey with Alex Kaloran who's now won two Stanley Cups with the Tampa

Bay Lightning and makes millions of millions of dollars a year. He's had a hell of an NHL career. And like they're probably going to steamroll the Leafs again and the Leafs aren't going going to get out of the first round again. But I remember at college, like he was. was on a different level of that commitment. So he would be personifying exactly what you're saying. If like, you know, we'd go to the dining hall and just demolish whatever food was there,

cookies, and like, you know, we try to eat a little healthier time. Sure. He legit would like cook his own chicken at his own place with no bread, with no cheese, with no, just like cooking pure chicken breasts and eating clean and like never saw him get shitfaced. He would have a beer or two, but like always kept it pretty tight. and like he's in the NHL and take you know so that commitment over four years in college clearly day in and day out made a huge difference versus some of the other people at our in our level so it definitely can matter but I don't know that it's always I don't I think

there could definitely be both I don't want to say that there's not both I would say the majority there is both every single college kid that is an athlete probably just has the greatest time of all time I'm just saying that I wonder how many kids fall into that category and golf for some reason like it makes me think that a lot of kids do fall into this where like they're going to they're going to do that Alex Colorn thing and it's not even going to pan out because golf is so fucking hard and you actually have to be so committed to being on the range and the putting green and in the bays and you're constantly constantly working at this game and you really can't even get that much better once you get to a certain point where it's like

you drive yourself insane trying to achieve something that's almost not achievable it's got to be crazy to like almost give that up and be like I'm just going to have a really good time try my best to play and if it works I can end up being Joel Damon and Kevin Kisnerner I can be on the tour I'm not saying you have to be a psycho, but how many kids give up their college experience and it doesn't work? Like that to me is like a sad existence kind of. It's just tough because you can't know, right? You can't. You never know.

You can't live two lives. You can't be like, I am going to cook my own chicken breasts and eat broccoli and practice every morning. And then you don't know if it's going to work. It's a tough decision. I don't know. And it very much varies person to person. There's so many different types. And we've named a couple of them.

And then you got a guy like John Daly who will fucking, he'll just drink until an hour before his tea time or whatever and shoot a 65. So it's very person dependent, but it's a decision. I guess it is a decision you have to make. But again, we're looking at this. I'm 34. We're all in our 30s now almost. Frankie's 29.

But like, you can say this to a kid who's 17 and he's like, what are these old guys talking about? Like, I'm just going to. I don't even know if we've even said like what we think he should do. And I mean, we're talking about one specific kid, which is so weird for him to listen to. But like, you don't even, there is no right, right or wrong decision. I'm just thinking like the Earl. Woods is we talk about what Earl Woods did to Tiger Woods, right? When he was growing up,

how many parents do that to kids where it just didn't work? Is it like a thousand out of a thousand and one? Like, you know what I mean? Are there a thousand kids that were just fucking brutally like worked to the bone and then they just ended up being fucking accountants? And it's just like, why the fuck did we do that? Like, you know what I mean? Why didn't we just go eat ice cream? Right. They're like, hey, remember that first 15 years? We had a weird relationship where you just wanted be to become the greatest and it didn't work. That's what makes Tiger so interesting is that it worked. But there are definitely cases where it has not worked.

And that's the majority. That's the 99.99.99%. That's well, I hope this, what's his name? John, what was it? I hope Josh has a ton of beers and a ton of birdies. I think I hope that there's a perfect. No, no, no.

Just do what you want. Just live the life. I hope there's a great mix of beers and birdies and that this guy ends up on tour one day while also, you know, having to cut back. on drinking because he drank so much and had so much fun. That's my wish for him. I don't, I think that's a weird wish.

I think, I think we're talking to, I hope that he has everything. I hope he gets everything. I hope he gets the college experience and he fucking succeeds. I hope that he gets fucking makes it. I hope this kid makes it. He wants to make it.

He's a state champion golfer. The kid wants to make. He shot 63 at his home golf course. He wants to be the best golfer in the world. He thinks that he can do it. It's in his fucking mind. It's in his blood. He can do it.

But I also want him to have fun. I want him to have a fun time. They're just kids out there. Like Big Cat says with college basketball. They're just kids. Just kids. Best of luck to Josh. That's a, that's a weird thing for Josh.

Yeah. Shout out to Evan, who was my caddy who got the win. So he was awesome. He was lovely. You know, he's a, he's a caddies around town. He's a member, I believe, out at TBC. So he knew the course. And he's a fantastic kid.

He was all jacked up for our win. I could tell that. So yeah, it was a, it was a great experience. I hope everyone has fun in college and everyone makes it to PGA tour. That's kind of my stance on the whole thing. The exclusive ticketing partner, exclusiting, that's not a word, the exclusive ticketing partner of Barstool Sports talking about game time. I saw our very own Dan Rapaport was using GameTime yesterday.

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accumulate from that is zero. But if you happen to want to follow me on Instagram from that specific graphic, that's not the right one. And Instagram's insane to grow followers right now. Have you ever realized like how many, like no one's really moving up or down? You actually go like months without getting anything.

It's hard. It's not. It's infuriating, to be honest with you. You'll like the last 30, days, it's like I gained 7,000 and lost 6,800. It's like what's actually happening. Like, what are you talking about? I just think it's the algorithm. It just pushes you into people and they follow and they unfollow. And like, I don't even do that. I don't know who's doing that. When you

follow someone, I don't like go back and unfollow a thing. I just like I make sure that when I follow, it's a real follow. I feel like when we're pushing out all these Instagram stories, we go into these weird like sections and then they just like hit a quick follow and then right after immediate unfollow. I don't get it. It's a lot. It's. It's a lot of. It's a lot of It's very strange. Instagram's impossible to grow. Right. And it's funny because there's been times I feel like when Instagram was easy to grow.

And then, and like Twitter was always one that was really hard. And now I feel like honestly, Twitter since Mr. Musk took over, I feel like the followers have gone way up. And I don't know. It's very, it's very strange.

And it's, it's so weird how the powers that be at a place like Instagram, they can shift one or two things. And it completely. just makes it different than it was a week ago. I don't know how they make those decisions, but overall, I am with you.

It's hard to gain followers on Instagram right now. Okay. Oh, the Rock City Scramble. So today, as this podcast has come out, the sign up situation will be, I believe,

are we doing noon? We're doing noon? Yeah, I said noon last, last show. Okay, it says registration starts Thursday, April 20th, 420.

Nice. At 12 p.m. Eastern time. You can register in teams of two. You've got to be 21 plus. It's a 1 p.m. shotgun start, which is Tuesday, May 16th of PGA Championship Week. Ear and

ear, I'll just jump in here, pal. Arandecoit. Arandequite. Dequite. So we say the tea. Which is bananas. Frankie, you were right.

There's no way this is not supposed to be Arandiqua, and they say Arandiquet, which is, that's... Arandicoi, it should be. It should be Arandicoi. I'm sure it is. I'm sure it's Aeronicoi. But Alex Bush says Arandicoid. It's that with the tea. Okay.

So anyways, you could sign up for that. It's a two-man scramble, Thursday. What website are they going to? Is it like Barstle events? It's a good thing to... No. Do we have that, Bush? because I got a bunch of tweets about that.

I got a bunch of, I got a bunch of pins. Yeah, we'll put, we'll, we'll put that on social, but I don't know the link right now. We should just find out, and then we can just, we can just say it right now. Let's see, events. I think it's events. I think it's events. I think it's events. Nope, that's not a real website.

So I don't know. These guys. These guys. You figure that out, Bush? You know, we can, we can, if this one sells out, then we just know that we don't even have to talk about it anymore. I think it's a, I think you just type in Barstool event. events and I think it'll be up there because right now I see chicks in the office the humble fans tour and I'm sure that ours will be up there next let's see should we do a test and see

if we don't even know or put out a link to this event that's what I mean sell out faster than the golf digest open let's see if we can do that that might be we just don't even know I don't even know how you find it it'll be like when see how it does that'll be like when fucking good good put out a video with no title and no like thumbnail and it got like a million views everyone's just like none of it matter. Nothing really matters. Right. The thing around YouTube is like, all right, let's make these, these like titles interesting and the thumbnail thumbnail. Thumbail, they're, we're all going to look back. Bro, we're all going to look back on this era of thumbnails. And if you go to good good Bob does for play, whoever it is we all had these fucking hyper green thumbnails with like a weird we're standing in

weird spots it's like we're all everyone's trying to play by the rules and good good was just like hey by the way if you just have 1.5 million subscribers none of the shit matters and they were right they just uploaded a video by accident or it was by design and if it was by design incredible incredible to just be like my hopes and dreams for good good is that they were arguing with someone behind the scenes where like like a like a data analytics person and they're like you guys got to do this and and and whoever was in charge was just like you know what we're going to do we're going to fucking put up a video that has a black screen on the front and it has no title it's going to do a million views and you're going to literally

pack your bags and get the fuck out of here is what's going to happen you're going to we're going to sit here and we're going to watch the live views run up to a billion and you're going to as each Every 10,000 views per minute, you're going to pack a new piece of clothing and then you're going to leave. There's an old, there's an old Drake lyric where he says, uh, buzz so big I could probably sell a blank disc. And that's what good good does. 100%. Good good. They showed.

They showed it. They showed it. They're right, man. This is at vid summit today. This is from September last year. Mr. Bees told, um, Colin and Samir that is six person thumbnail team makes around 20 different versions per video. They plan what the thumbnail will be before they even film the video. He also sends versions to close friends to measure which one to use.

Mr. B said his team will swap out the thumbnail. The video has a low CTR, click-through rate. They usually wait about a week. He said when it comes to video performance, logic is better than emotion. Adding it just doesn't feel good when a video spends months and a bunch of money on platform and it doesn't go well. So they take thumbnails incredibly seriously. And he's doing it right. And he, his videos do well.

But we're just, everyone's catering to these like children on YouTube. That's what it is. It's bright colors. It's wacky titles. It's wacky thumbnail names. And it's just like, that's just what you got to do.

You're just catering to the person that's just scrub like scrubbing through fucking YouTube. And like it's just got to visually catch their eye like you're in a candy store. Like, whoa, what's that color? Like, wow. I just noticed that. There's got to be some sort of. Yeah. Because even Garrett on our team, like, knows that whole world.

He, like, studies these, like, Reddit threads of, like, what makes a good thumbnail. And, yeah, he just says, like, the red and the green. It just fucking pops. There's science behind it. It's like, it's like department stores during Christmas. They, like, put certain things in front of you. And you're like, oh, that's a great sale. You're, like, looking at it.

You, like, don't even realize what's happening. Subscribers sell, they mean more than anything. So go to ForeplayPod on, on YouTube and just subscribe, subscribe, subscribe. because that's going to get it at the end of the day. Thumbails, titles. Just like everyone that listened just did it. Like I always think about that, but you're just never going to get it. But like if everyone that listened to this podcast just hit went to YouTube, made an account and just hit subscribe and foreplay, we would see like half a million subscribers in one day.

Isn't that insane? But like everyone, because we have that like so many people who listen to every single episode. If we had all you just go there right now and just hit subscribe, we would say. see an absurd number just jump and then everyone's lives would just get better it's just like if everyone just fucking did it i'll tell you this i don't know if everybody's going to do it but i know tim i know that you're listening and i'm going to need you to do it are we are we calling out names or i don't know if we are not but i know that my guy tim the tims that are listening i just know that they got to subscribe today whether or not that's again i don't not everybody's going to do it but i know i know tim i know

you're going to do it today. I know that. Brian, you're sitting there listening to this thing. You're fucking plugging away on that keyboard. You've got to answer to that piece of shit boss that's up your ass all week. You're listening to this podcast. You hate when I talk about the Islanders. You just want to talk about golf. You just want to you want to get in it. You want to escape from your fucking life. And you're like, why the fuck is this guy talking about hockey and screaming and cutting people off? And he's fucking mad. Can he just fucking shut the fuck up? I'll shut up if you hit subscribe on. You're like, on YouTube. How about that, Brian? One time make the right decision in your fucking life where you're going to go, you're going to click three fucking buttons and you're just going

to be done with it. That's great. 500,000 subscribers and Frankie won't talk about hockey for a year. I got, if we gain 500,000 more. I'm saying if we hit 500,000. I, if we hit 500,000 subscribers by the end of this year, I will not talk about hockey next year. Not once. I won't bring it right. I think we're like 300. We'll edit it out of the podcast every single time I bring up by accident 318,000 subscribers right now so if we gain 180,000 subscribers before January 1st of 2024 honestly I think we could do that dude I don't know man that's a lot who that's a lot by the end of this year we'd have to get 180,000 that's so many but it's got you know it be like people say like Frankie's saying like he talks a lot about hockey I know

people are sometimes like, it was a golf podcast, not a hockey podcast. If you don't want him to talk about hockey anymore for a full year, before January 1st of 2024, let's get up to 500,000 subscribers and the hockey talk is gone. And if we hit 500,000 by the end of the year, I will have a 500,

I'll do a half a milly party at Borrellys for every subscriber. It's all you can eat and drink up Borrellys. It'll be on the house. You come and you can just eat and drink as much as you possibly want. And all you have to do to get into the door, show that you're subscribed. if we hit 500,000. That will be, I will do,

we'll, we'll be there all day from 12 at, and noon till 12 at night. Unlimited drinks and food. We're doing a half a milly party. I love the 500,000 subscribers to shut Frankie Borelli up about hockey. That's a,

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Matt Fitzpatrick. had some quotes about slow play. He said essentially it's appalling. I feel like it's been really since the Bryson situation, which was at Liberty National, which, God, it must have been like four years or three years ago now, I guess four years ago since we've seen slow play get this much action. But Patrick Cantlay really put it in the spotlight at the Masters tournament.

When the whole tournament largely came down to the final group, to Rahm, to Brooks, and as the tournament starts to shrink, the coverage just watches two guys. We watched two guys stand on T-boxes the whole time. Boom, that puts slow play in the spotlight. People ask Patrick Cantley about it. He, like every slow player in the history of golf, was like, it's clearly not me.

We were waiting on the group in front of us. Not a lot of people were buying that. He's been getting a bunch of shit. Maddie Fitz, who's not been known to mince words, really. He was asked on Sky News about the entire, thing. He called it appalling. He said nothing will ever happen unless unless the, uh, the kind of the tours, the bodies, the,

the folks that make the calls actually do something about it, which they never will. Um, he's probably right. His kind of recommendation was that the time should be shrunk because whatever the time currently is, it should be even less. Um, slow play stinks. Slow play is, I think, one of the great roadblocks to golf, um, especially getting people into golf. more involved in golf when you go out, play, and you stand there and you just wait. It's insane. I don't care what world you're.

I said on last year, last year during one of the shows that I'm out on lines in general. I think lines are like a failure of society. I can't believe we have to stand in line. I hate it. So now you just apply that to something that's supposed to be fun and leisurely. It's infuriating to stand there and watch. It's infuriating to watch the clips of Rob, who's trying to win the Masters tournament and Brooks Kepka standing there having to wait on T-boxes in the biggest tournament in the world

that nobody's doing anything about it. So, so yeah, some pretty aggressive words from Maddie Fitzpatrick. They are aggressive, and he's right. Nothing's going to happen until they actually do something. And they could do something. They just, for whatever reason, they won't. And I don't understand that. We talked about the pitch clock and baseball last episode,

and I think that's a glowing example of how it can change. My question is, how much does slow play during a golf tournament affect the viewer? Because with baseball, it really cuts it down, right? you go from a five-hour game to a three-hour game. And that is a huge difference. That's just massive. But when slow play is happening during an event, and I get that it affects the golfers.

It affects the guys like John Rom and the guys who play fast. Brooks Keppka hates it. But like how much, like when I'm watching, I get that it's taking a little bit longer, but I'm not thinking, boy, this is going on for way too long. Like it would if I were a baseball fan watching a five-hour game. Do you guys know what I mean?

Yeah, I was going to ask that last show where it's like, would we even notice a difference? Because there's still, it's going to be quicker per shot for each guy. Their process will be quicker. But like, will the actual game of golf move so dramatically faster that us as a viewer will notice that they're cutting to each shot quicker or they're getting more shots on the broadcast? I don't think so. I mean, me personally, I don't think you would see that big of a difference. Yeah. I think you're probably right.

I think we've talked about that before, honestly, of the fact that the tour, the professional golf broadcast could just cut around it, right? Like you don't have to watch the guys stand on the tea. They could just go to someone else putting, someone else hitting a shot, someone else going through a routine. And you don't really, unless you're paying close, close, close, close attention, you don't even really process that it's been 15 minutes since you watched one guy put out on 14 and then they cut to him hitting a tee shot on 15.

Because they've been able to fill that. They go to commercial. Like I said, they go to a bunch of other. They go to, you know, especially at the Masters, they'll go to, they might go to Cowell or whatever, finishing up on 18. And he's walking up 18 and people are clapping and he takes his hat off. And it's great. And then they cut back and then they do a cool little segment about Amen Corner and how be.

And next thing you know, you don't even fucking realize that Brooks Kevka and John Robb have just been standing there for 15 minutes. So I think you're right. I think it probably affects the actual golfers way more than it really affects the viewer. and the slow play is, I think, prevalent every week, every round. The only reason it's in the spotlight right now is because that race came down to largely two guys. They're focusing on the final group, and they almost couldn't cut around the fact that these fucking guys are just standing there. And that's something that we don't usually get to see, and we actually got to see it at the Masters. And I think as far as how it translates to the weekend golfer, like nobody likes,

playing behind slow golfers. I think a clip, the clip that came out of Patrick Cantlay of him just taking forever and that getting blasted everywhere, I actually think that would speed up play among weekend golfers because then when you're out there and you're playing with one of your buddies who takes forever, you can be like, all right, Patrick Cantley, like, let's hurry this thing up. And it just sort of moves everything forward. So the example of how not to do it from a professional golfer and that going viral, I think ultimately would speed it up faster than the tour speeding up professional play

and us never having those clips. Yeah. I wonder if slow play actually helps TV brought, like they enjoy that because you get to see more shots of different players. You know what I mean? Probably easier for them to everything was so quick. Produce. Way easier.

And like it's almost a better product for the viewer because they get more time to show more golfers between. Yeah. You see way more golf. It's just infuriating. It's infuriating as a golfer. It's like to just play faster. And Maddie Fitz said he's like a three ball in professional golf should take four hours.

And he's like maybe four and a half. But even that, he's like, it would be astronic insane to play slower than four and a half hours. And he's like in our rounds take five, 15, five and a half. So that's not even close. It's not like it should take. It's not like it should take four, 45, but it's taken five. It's like he said it should be about four hours or so and it's taking five and a half sometimes. That's not even fucking close.

I they can do something about it. We all know that they can do something about it. It's just who's going to take the step. Who's going to actually do it? Because once somebody does it, then I think everybody starts to do it. And it's like, I just think these bodies are scared of, well, these guys have been in these routines for so long. And some of them take so long. And it's golf is such a mental game that you don't want to speed these guys.

guys up because then they're not going to play as well. And, you know, are we actually going to dole out these penalties when they take too long over and over and over again? Like, those are, that's what you're going to have to work through if you decide to put your foot down. And I just don't think any of these bodies are willing to do that right now. Yeah. I, I, I don't see, I don't see them really making any, you know, brash decisions here with, in regards to changing guys, like their systems and their preparation for each shot. But Danny made a great point on Twitter and on the show last, last episode where he said golf's like the only sport where you're not able, like, they don't enforce you to just jump into a situation you're not ready for.

Like every other sport, like the clock is ticking and you just got to go. Whether it's baseball, like that pitch is coming and you have to, if you're not ready, like that, you still have to hit it. You still have to try. And hockey, that guy's coming at you. The defense has got to be ready. You just got to be ready. But in golf, there is supposed to be a clock, but they allow these guys, even if they're not fully ready.

to attack that ball and go out and do the thing that they're supposed to do, if they're not fully ready and prepared for that, they're able to take as much time as they want until they get ready. There's no aspect of like, you got to go now regardless of how you feel. And how do you handle that? One of the more amazing attributes in sports is like, how do you handle the pressure situations when like you weren't ready?

Right? Like you see some of these amazing wire receivers that like barely get to the line, then they fucking go and then they make a one-in-catch, you like, how do they even think that quickly or a guy in hockey hops off the bench and the puck comes right to him it's like you've got to go now you even have you even get a chance to think

it's what makes that argument that golfers aren't athletes way more valid where it's like you're just giving them every option to just fucking do whatever they want so slow an 80 year old could do it that's a great point and like the argument is always like well they're you know these guys are playing for such high stakes

they're playing for such money they're playing for such prestigious titles you can't hurry them I'm like, of course they're going to take their time. And you're like, well, dude, guess what? In the Super Bowl, the defensive bat, you know, they're playing for the fucking Super Bowl. They're playing for their career. They're playing for everything. They don't get to just be like, hold on, hold on.

Once I'm ready, we will play defense now. Like, you don't get to do that. Right. Imagine, imagine a clock on them. Put a clock on them and give them three timeouts, like every other sport. Timeouts. Golf timeouts. Just be like, I need one, I need like two minutes to talk to my caddy about the situation.

Let's take a timeout. time out like let's figure this out my ball's wedged in between this fucking whatever he was on like a pier like let me figure this shit out and then i'll come back to my shot you guys go first whatever it's got to be i'm taking a time out but every other situation like we said last episode have a shot clock on the scorekeeper's little thing it's like a 30 second shot clock and that thing should buzz when it hits 30 and you got to go right now or else you get a stroke penalty it's go time i kind of love golf time Because then you've got, say, Bruce Kefka's playing behind you. And he's like, why is this taking so long?

And then the guy throws up a team. He's like, all right, he's taking a timeout. But he's only got two more of those. So we're not going to have to wait all day. I like that. I mean, they're never going to do that. It's a very funny idea in theory. The only reason I don't think they're ever going to do it is because it doesn't affect the viewer like we think it does or like we think it would.

And maybe it would. Maybe golf would be three hours on TV. I mean, do we even want that, though? Like aren't Sunday's perfect right now where it's like you toss it on at two o'clock. It's on till 6.30. It's just what golf has always been. No one's complaining about the length of golf on TV. You know, we kind of cut, we go into it.

We come back to it when the leader's on the back nine. It's fine. It's a great product. Does it need to be really quicker? Do we need to change the whole game so that it's an hour faster? I think it could be quicker. Yeah. I don't necessarily agree that like the product's great.

It's like it's a little too slow, right? Like I think you could get a little. little more action-packed than it currently is right now. But maybe just from the final group. You got to be watching real close to notice those things. Like most people just show a golf shot every second if they want to. People are flipping it on. It's much action-packed as you want.

They're cleaning their apartment. They're at Sunday. They're laying low. It's not, I don't think it's that bad right now. Yeah. My point's like they could just show like whole 17, 16, 15. And when the leaders are on 10,

you can just keep showing shots if you want to. They just happen to stick on the things. things that I guess are what people are watching for. But I mean, I don't know. It's just, it's not like the other sports where you can actually see a true, like I said, the Brewers game, I think it was a Brewers game was two hours and 10 minutes. Someone sat down, watched that full nine innings and by nine o'clock it was over. And they're like, that was fucking awesome because I got another 161 of these to watch for the whole year. And I'm fucking furious at these things go until one o'clock in the morning. The only thing you run into is the stars, some of the stars being

upset the mattie fits is the brooks kepp because the patrick not patrick can't least the guys some of these guys are they're making a sneak about and that's what's happening right now so let's just do timeouts it that's more fun i like timeouts a lot uh i think the time out i think you get like you get one timeout per side and then there could be officials timeouts right like so if there's a rules thing going on where you're like dude uh you know i have to make this decision on this drop from this path i need to call a rules official, then there could be like a referees timeout where that doesn't count against your two and you're in that situation. But otherwise, you got like 30 seconds from when you get to your ball or when it's your time

and you just have to hit. And like, like, if you're not fully sure about the wind and you want to throw up grass, it's like, guess what, dude, your clock's running out. Like you don't get to wait for the wind gusts. You don't get to just stand here forever until everything's perfect. Like, it's go time. You got to hit your shot. And if you do want to be able to be like, dude, I really need on the 12th hole at the Masters tournament,

I need to have time to figure out this win because that's such a tricky spot. It can be so costly. Like you preserve your time out through 10 and 11. And if you blow your time out, you might have to step on the 12th D and be like, you got a trigger in 30 fucking seconds, dude, with the Masters on the Live. Right. Do you imagine Trevor's like, oh, my God, he blew his time out on the fourth hole here. He's going to get to 12 and he's just not going to have one.

That's going to be a very interesting situation for him. I would change golf for us. It'd be way more athletic and way more just like chaotic, man, because guys would just be like thinking about it talking and then they'd step up and just have to hit immediately. Like the clock would be at like three, two. Imagine that on like 12 at Augusta on Sunday. It's like you're changing the sport at that point. But here's the thing.

Sports never want to change and golf is last in line to want to change. But then when it happens, I keep bringing up the pitch clock. That's a big deal. It changes the sport, but it makes it better. How when did they put in three on three hockey overtime? A couple years ago. Yeah, not that felt like, six years ago.

Like that's a change, but it's like these sports can't change. They feel like they're in these set things. Like there's got to be 162 games. You know, there can't be a pitch clock. These guys got to have as much time as they want. But the changes that eventually get made,

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second buzzer just started? And then if it like if you didn't hit it would just start sirening off and until you hit the golf ball and it just like ruins your day. No, I absolutely, I think it should be the, like the last 15 seconds of your shot clock. It just goes the show 24. It just goes ding, ding, ding until it gets to, it's over. And then you get a crazy loud buzz. And that like ruins your whole day.

I mean, yeah, obviously, the game of golf for the average person would be way better if there was a shot clock on every single person that played. Because then you could go play Beth page black, a public golf course that usually takes six hours. finish up and you would be able to play that in three and a half hours and everyone would have the best time ever you'd also lose a ton of people playing the game because it's just way too chaotic way too quick they wouldn't be able to do it with all the balls they're losing and hitting the balls to the tree and looking for your ball it's not the same as a pro but if they figured out some sort of shot clock system for the public it would definitely make golf better but i just don't think that that's realistic or ever yeah that's never going to happen i just wonder how we would take it

as like players good point fucking furious with it it's a good point because it has to translate to the to the amateur game so it has to yeah it would drive people crazy i mean if you were able to keep people golfing you like golf courses get way more rounds in they'd everybody make more money like yeah there'd be more people playing but yeah you'd probably lose a few people because they're like well now i don't i come out here to relax i'm not imagine they had a a marshal on every single in every single like fairway and he just had a fucking airhorn and when you went, he had a fucking shot clock. And then you just heard it go, as you're standing over the ball, move on.

These are drastic changes that are not going to be implemented, but what we're saying is that there needs to be something. We're talking about huge swings, and they won't even change a little bit. Yeah. And look, for the amateur, the typical weekend golfers, like, it's also a balance. Like there's, it's just as shitty when you're with a group

or you're in front of a group or whatever, that everyone wants to play lightning golf. It's like, well, no, we're out here to, like, to a degree we're relaxing. I, you know, if, especially for the most part, I mean, we get to play a lot more now in certain stretches. We play a ton of golf, but usually it's like you're grinding nine to five Monday Friday. You've been looking forward to Saturday round for a week and a half, a month, whatever it is with your pals.

You're out there. You want to take your shot relatively seriously. You want to try to hit good shots because you've been thinking about your game. And now you're supposed to, like, race around like a madman. So it's tricky because most people that like most people that play, I think for the most part, play at a pretty good pace without crazy rushing. You play in 415 as a foursome or so. And like it's great. You have a good time.

But there's like the few people that are really slow, like they need to feel like they're racing probably in order for them to play at the normal pace of most people. So you don't want to have everyone running around, but you want it to be faster. And at the end of the day, no one's going to do anything. and in probably 15 years, people will be having the exact same conversation. Frankie, think about that, nine holes you played at Colonial when you were by yourself and you were walking off yardages and you were playing as slow as you. I think you said you played nine holes in like two hours and 15 minutes. Dude, there'd be flags all over the field.

You would not be allowed to do something like that. I took a call that day. I took a call about pickleball for like 45 minutes on the sixth hole at Colonial. And I laid down on one of the hills and not one person. passed me. No one even came up behind me or in front of me, and I just fucking was one with the ground. And I just kind of leisurely strolled down

the fairway. It was crazy. So that's part of golf, too. That's part of golf. That's part of golf. All right. We're going to get out to the Zyrrhic classic. It's Wednesday. We got a lot of, we got a lot of seen, see and be seen to get done out there. And then we're going to see you in New Orleans tomorrow. Is that right, Frankie?

Yeah, absolute grind. Flying in flying out. We got something going on tomorrow Thursday. We got this are our classic. We got our merchandise. So everyone just made sure you go to the tent. Riggs and I are wearing some of it right now. These are the hoodies. We got polos. Riggs has got the hat on. We were in there. It's open to the public starting. I mean, obviously Thursday's ticket. That's when the tournament starts. It's open today. Wednesday. You're not going to hear this. So that's not going to matter. But there's polos. There's quarters dips. There's hats. There's hoodies. It's right in the middle. It's right there. It's by the ninth green kind of by the sports book.

the fan shop is right there come in there we'll be around there we'll be around the sportsbook area we're gonna be all of this are classic so please come out buy some merch and say hello so i'm flying in tomorrow my one request is that we go to that is it irines i want to go to that irines place tomorrow if we can that italian spot it's either irines or isabella's or something with an eye i forget what we got to go there don't eat italian tonight make sure you have it ready for tomorrow because i want to go there i want to get that fucking jumbalaya pasta whatever the hell that was that i got last time i've been thinking about it for a long time and i really want to go there okay we can very exciting very exciting we're going to mr bees tonight we're going to mr bees tonight with uh dr bret mccate

oh yeah oh yeah mr bees is legit that's that's where you're going to get the fried oysters right there let's go i can't wait very excited i really can't all right um everybody enjoyed the ziric classic we will be returning next week we got a bunch of barstool classics next week we got two in arizona oh real quick real quick did you guys see did you guys see the band and Dunes is opening up a golf resort in Colorado. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. It's going to be called rodeo.

Really cool. I think they're calling it like rodeo dunes. They're putting six golf courses in maybe an hour away, less than an hour away from Denver International Airport. So it's going to be right there. Full resort. Six golf courses all overlooking the fucking mountains. Rodeo dunes.

So sick. Cannot wait to get out there and see. I think the first golf course will be opened by 2024, the next one, 2025. And they're just going to have a huge. huge golf resort right in one of our favorite states right off the fucking airport amazing it looks awesome these dunes out here in this in this i can't believe it's that close to the denver airport but you're right it says less than an hour and they got corkrenshaw they've got um uh i believe it's jim i think it's jim wagner um is doing i want to make sure i get the name right

because i think it's jim wagner's the name who has worked underneath all the architect kind of icons of this last 10, 20, 25 years is fine, you know, they, a lot of these guys work underneath, you know, Cor Crenshaw, Gil Hans, and then they eventually, like, after years, years, years, get a shot to kind of design their own course, their own original. And I believe that he is getting one of the sites to build his first original course or one of his first original course courses here as well. So clearly they've got like the big names. They've got a lot of cool stuff going on.

The views look awesome. You can go to their website. But yeah, this came across my radar yesterday too and it looks fucking awesome. I'm seeing Jim Craig. Jim Craig. Okay.

Jim Craig is also the name of the goalie for the United States. Miracle on Ice. I was going to say Jim Craig because I read it. And then I was like a campy Jim Craig Craig because that's the goalie from Miracle on Ice. There's no chance. Jim Craig and I didn't want to be an idiot and it ended up being Jim Craig. I jumped in there.

I read this thing. I'm Googling it. It's initially one course by Bill and Corr and Ben Crenshaw, a second course by Jim Craig. So that's awesome. It's going to be phenomenal. Yeah, it's going to be phenomenal. This Jim Wagner is a guy who works alongside Gil Hans. That's clearly where I got that from.

Jim Craig, amazing performance in the 1980 defeat of the Soviet Union. So congratulations to him. And then now a different Jim Craig is getting as high. own course at rodeo dunes yeah this place looks awesome and then on that front too i got to tour pinehurst 10th course uh that's going to be a tom doke the first tom doke uh course in the pinehurst area it's at the pit which is about 10 minutes away from the main campus of piner's they own like i don't know how many acres it's like 900 acres or something crazy uh that used to be a golf course called the pit that piner's has been debating what to do with for a long time and tom doke uh came in

last year and they were consulting with him. You know, the crew at Pioneers, Bob Deadman, who's the owner, who's a fantastic guy, Tom Pashley, who knew, we know incredibly well, kind of the whole crew of Piner's. And anyways, Tom Doak got the green light to do the 10th course at Pioneerst at this new site, got to tour. And I think they've got, you know, a dozen or so greens are kind of already laid out. And, you know, they haven't put grass necessarily on them yet. But it's coming along.

I think by the end of the year or so, they're going to have preview play going on. And that course is going to open by next year. year and it looks awesome. Absolutely awesome. Tom Doak is a very bold designer. He, he, you know, we played Pacific Dunes, which is maybe the only Doak course that we've all played. But, but yeah, it's going to be really, really, really cool. So you got to tour that as well.

Clearly golf's doing well when we're watching like resorts and courses pop up all over the place. How many times throughout that tour of Pioneers number 10 did you find yourself standing there pretending to know what you were looking at? Yeah, there's a lot of that. There's a lot of that. It's like, oh, yeah, this is beautiful. It's like, it's just, I don't know what I'm looking at it.

You just know that we don't have it like they do because like you said, Trent, like I'm looking at it like, yeah, it's like a hill and a couple pine trees. That's sick. Yeah, that's going to be great, you know, and you just don't, I can't see it. So you're right. There's a few, like I said, luckily, luckily they're far along now, far enough along now. I feel like after a couple months that it's, there's spots where it's already, it's already in. there's grass has been planted. There's sod that's been put down whatever.

But there are also spots where they're like, yeah, yeah, this is going to be this T-shot here and these T-boxes are going to come together. The 13th hole is going to go out that way. And I'm like, yeah, yeah, it's trees and dirt. Beautiful. That's sweet. Yeah, you're going to love that.

So you're right. There's definitely a good amount of that goes on. But yeah, rodeo dunes. Not exciting, man. That rodeo doon sounds fucking cool, man. We love, we're brought in this fucking, I watch this fucking clip, this high school wrestling match.

Dave just tweeted at this kid fucking gets pinned down, loses the match, walks up, shakes the kid's hand, just fucking sucker punches him right in the face. I never seen anything like that. I saw that. The kid's face actually, like head gets popped off. Like, I'd never seen someone's head get popped straight back like that. I got tagging that because apparently I look like the referee. Oh, you do look like the referee. You do look like the referee.

Holy shit. Dude, I've really never seen a sucker punch like that. Like, like, fake the head. handshake and just break the kid's nose that is they wrote straight to jail i mean i agree you can't do that it's not not allowed in sports like you just like it's over the match is over you can't be punched like that wow that's not allowed anyway all right well frank you know people are going to know by the time this thing airs but good luck tonight thanks guys i really appreciate that a win tonight bring it oh you're seeing that punch it's a crazy video um yeah a win tonight we bring it back home to ubs

Fuck me, man. Let's go. Just win a hockey game. They can do it too. They've done it. Five on five, they won one nothing last game. We just got to be better on the fucking special teams. We got to be better.

They went 0 for four and Carolina went two for four. It's as simple as that. We're going to win tonight. Let's do it. All right. We're going to be out at Zerg Classic. Everybody go buy merch. Go check out the Marshall Sportsbook.

We'll be back on Tuesday next week. Hit it hard. Hit it hard. Hit it Hard.