Fore Play - Gary McCord and Brandel Chamblee

Episode Date: January 26, 2023

All-time stories. Riggs sits down at Grayhawk with famed announcer Gary McCord and notorious analyst Brandel Chamblee. The two friends riff on: getting in trouble broadcasting the Masters, hitting the bar with Clint Eastwood, missing Tour greens on purpose, the greatest putting book ever written, and nearly getting into a fist-fight with another player mid-tournament round.You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

Hey, 4Play listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcast, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Oh, Rick! What's up, my brother? I've got a buddy who struggles with that shot. A lot. His name's Frankie Burrilli. So the guy's actually gave him a nickname of Butterknives because he always knives to the cross the green.

Rock is 100. Now you've got to break 90. We appreciate what you guys do for golf. It's been really cool. Thank you. You're making it cool. We're freaking it. I was like, hey, Phil, you only fucking $29.99.

And he grabs 100. He's like, yeah, I won $90,000 of these yesterday. He goes, take 100 and go fuck yourself. What? What are you that different? It's ain't a hobby. Four players are by Barcelona Sports. And by our presenting sponsor, Chevy, Chevrolet, we love them.

They're the best. They do EVs forever and everywhere. They're fantastic. Different show today. It's just myself. I sat down at Greyhawk Golf Club, one of my favorite spots here in Scottsdale with Brandel. with Brandel Chambly, who I talk about a lot.

I love that man. I think he's great. I understand he's polarizing on TV. I've had my own polarizing feelings about him when he says certain stuff. But boy, does he own up to it? Is he the most prepared guy? He and I become great friends, him and his wife Bailey. They're awesome.

I play a bunch of golf with them. And I just respect the hell out of somebody that's that into golf, that loves it that much, that works that hard. He introduced me to Gary McCord a few weeks ago. we had amazing night cigars beers cocktails telling stories around the fire pit uh had a couple friends in town eric and jordan and we just had a blast in the middle of that conversation i just i begged them i said it would be a shame if this conversation this type of conversation with the stories and the banter stayed only here among this crew of 10 people or so we have a podcast we have a channel it would be

incredible gary and brandle if you guys sat down with me and you just rift and you will see this will probably be the least amount you've ever heard the voices of myself and obviously the others because they're not on it on a podcast ever because these guys just go go go I think you're going to love this one so a huge thanks to brandle and to gary for sitting down with me for telling stories you're being honest and open I love these guys they're incredible and I think any golfer is going to love these stories so without further ado let me throw it to myself brandle and gary mccord at gray hawk golf club all right uh in classic fashion This is just how we're starting the show.

It's tough to tell if you guys know each other. It's not written. You don't have anything. Look, he's got no notes at that camera over there. Look at there. There's nothing here. So this is all that left by. I got nothing.

I walked in. I heard some belly laughing coming from the office of the back. 45 minutes before we were supposed to do this. We've got to get these guys a couple of cocktails and hit record. This is our first cocktail. Correct? Yes. Yes.

First one. To be open with this is our first one. This is our first one. Right now we're wrong. Gary. Gary doesn't need. to be wound up. I've known Gary, I don't know, over 40 years. I've never, and this may ruin your street credit, actually, but I've actually never seen you drunk in 40 years. I've been out with you

a gazillion times. Been to your house a gazillion times. If you were, I just missed it. Well, that's that's what I'm concerned about. And by the way, as you know, one of my best friends in life is John Jacobs. How is, how is that possible that he could be one of my best friends and I literally had to drive him home all the time, all the time. Well, one time I got paired with John Jacobs at Desert Mount when I first moved here, so it had been like 90, 91, something like that. Somehow I ended up, maybe you were in the group. I think you were. We were up at Desert Mountain when everybody used to go to Desert Mountain. Remember that one? Yeah. Yeah. And so John Jacobs is in the group or whatever, and the beverage cart came by. And I said, as a joke, I'm going to get six

peppermint schnops. As a joke, I'm just going to get them. Just as a joke. Just as a joke. And I went over and gave him to him to him. He was like, oh, all right, yeah, well, it looks great. You know, however, he talks or whatever. And like three holes later, he was like, where's the beverage car later? Do we get some more of those? I was like, did you drink those? He goes, I drank them straight away.

It's like, I was just a joke. I didn't know you were going to drink them six in one hole. So I first time I got to spend time with the two of you together was Saturday night. And we were an hour or so into it. And I think I stood up and I just said it. It's a shame for the whole golf world. do this here. Why don't you guys come meet somewhere? Let's get a camera. Let's get a microphone because there's so many golf fans out there that are like me, that are like these guys,

like everybody. Like this story is the shit that you guys have from decades of being around the circuit. It's priceless, priceless stuff. How long of the two of you guys know each other? I have about 40 some on years. I know I got invited to play in Colonial or excuse me, not Colonial. I did get invited to play in Colony on 83, but I also got invited to play in the Texas Open. Somewhere in there I got paired with Gary. It was really early on in his broadcast career, and he was also playing the Texas Open. I've seen... 86, 87. Okay, is that right? Somewhere in there. I was born in 87. That makes this feel really good. I'm starting. Fun back. You were probably more mature than both of us.

But the ninth hole at Oak Hills Cudder Club in San Antonio has a bunker in the left front of... You weren't in that group. I was a damn sure. And you quit that day. I did. I did. Right. You were there. I played with you. The other guy was Bob Gilder. I never could remember who the other guy was. It was me.

Because I came in. You could tell the story there. I came in. So I've only ever seen him do this one other time. And he did it decades later on the 16th hole at the TBC Scottsdale. But at the time, I'd never seen anybody do this. And so the bunker there is about seven, eight, hell, it may be 10 feet deep. I mean, it's hard to get your person out of the bunker, let alone your golf ball.

And they had just redone the golf course. course, that's right, about five months before. So all the sand was new. That's right. Okay, now go. Now, I can't remember if you plugged it in or whatever, but you were plugged in there, and I mean, it was so steep. Well, even with a good lie, and they hardly had 60 degrees sandwiched, and it was hard to get out of the damn thing. It's a wedge, first of all, the hole is a wedge. The hole is a wedge. Okay, it was a, maybe a nine, or something. Pins on the front. And, and, you know, and I mean, he left it in. I can't even remember how many times, but the way I remember is after failing, your ball failed to get out of the bunker, right? It never achieved

escape velocity. You started running a little circle on the inside of that bunker to get out of it. And I remember then after, I don't know what you shot. Intrepital force. Smart. I don't know what you shot, but you did not make it to the back. Now, I remember that. Okay. How much of that is? Okay. You've got, you've got the right idea in two separate instances. No, no, you did you did the thing at TPC Scottsdale where you ran around the bunker. Yes, and I was doing the whole opening for Frank, Cherkinian. So I'm on the 16th hole. Hi, I'm Gary McCord here on the 16th hole. Today the pin is in the back left on Saturday. And what they do is they make this bunker on the left, this pit bunker. It has an echo. They make that reinforced the whole placement. So if you get in this bunker, it's in and I'm sitting down the bunker. And I've got

My dress shoes on. I'm sitting down the bunker and I get it done and Frank goes. Okay, that's it. That's it. That's good enough. Okay, that's it. I couldn't get out. I couldn't get it. So look at this bunker and I just started running. I started running around the bunker. And I just started running and running and running and just kept going up the thing. I flew out of the bunker.

Okay, I knew there was that story. The other thing, you weren't playing with me at San Antonio when I did that on a ninth hole. Yeah, on the ninth hole. With Bob Gilder. Yeah, when you made a million. I made, what the funny thing was, the day before I had made a two on the second hole, the part three. Seven, I'm playing Mark. We made it.

Okay. Wait, I'm sorry. You made a hole in one? I made a hole in one. Okay. And then so I go on Saturday, and I play this the next day. And I made, I remember looking at Bob Gilder, and both of you were sitting up there looking at me. I'm, there's a big firewall in front of the pen, and it's new sodded, and it's straight up and down, and I plugged it underneath it.

And behind it, remember there's a light down there. Yeah. So I'd looked, and I couldn't go backwards, it was going to go in the water. So I just, I was going to hit it, and then bounce it off the thing, and whee! And try to get it back over me, so I could play it out of the bunker. Well, it went, and it took a big, because of, you know, sand was that deep. Big divot, it anyway, hit the button,

it was like slow motion, it went, right in the middle of that swat. Now I got a problem. I can't go that way, and I can't go, I'm just going to keep digging it. I'm going to look like Bugs Bunny.

They're going to hold down there. There was no solution to this. There was no solution to this. I just kept whacking it and whacking it and whacking it. And I was trying to get to stick into the hill. And about my 12 shot, I looked at Bob Gilder's sitting there. And he's got his hands on.

like this is putters down like that and he's got a big smile on his face and I said I don't know where you were I have no I remember I was I was sitting back there if you remember we have a mutual friend Jack Harden he had come down to watch us play the ninth hole so I'm sitting there walk Jack and I

are watching you and he's like look at this crazy son of a bitch what is he doing and I I'm now here's the bottom line of that and you bring up some really bad stuff so I looked at Bob and I go how many and he goes, I think 12.

So you don't know? Because I don't. And he says, I think 12. I said, that's good enough. Got a little foggy. And somehow, I got up to stick in the deal, hit it, thunk. And I made 15 on the hole. Yeah.

Right? Yeah. I made 15. 15. And the holes a hundred twenty-sixth chart. I made 15 and I just went, Randall, Bob, I'm out. And I went in, and I went, and Jack Tuttle is in the deal there. I walked right in there.

And I said, I have to withdraw. And he goes, why? I said, my hand. hurts. He goes, why? I said I just made 15 on that little freaking hole back there. And he goes, and I went like that and he goes, okay, you're out. Go. By the way, that was never recorded okay, because I didn't finish. Yeah. Right. Right. And if you look in the highest holes in golf, history,

the scores have made, John Bailey. Ten Cup when he made, I made a, I made a It's 16, 15, on the 16th hole at, did you ever play there at Colonial Country Club in Memphis? No. No, the first year on tour, yeah, they had. You're still young. So I made 15 on that hole, made a 45 footer for 15. Had a way to hang in. And I was like third on the list.

Scrappy. Can you imagine if this one counted? I'd have a double third. I have two 15s, put par on a par five, and a par three. A 15 on a part three. Twice on the list. It's good to be consistent. My career.

Right? It's good to be consistent. Why doesn't that surprise me? That's so sad. I just so sad. We're in the future. We talk about it a lot, but we're talking about Chevy and EVs and how they've just entered the future the best way possible

with this incredibly classic trusted line of cars from the suburban to the Corvette to the bolt to the Silverado to the Blazer. Um, do you guys ever think that people about like, do you think people in the like late 1800s knew they were living in old times? No. No. Definitely not either. I think, which makes you think like in 20, in 2, 240, we're going to have lived like 220 years. Like that's, they're going to be like, wow, those guys were, that's like, we're wearing basically.

hop hats and like didn't have technout you know like that's what we're going to be to it's the nature of time right like when they were living they were like can you believe how technically advanced we are we've got the printing press and they were jacked up about it they couldn't believe that they were printing books you can get a book wherever you know books are sold and they're like this is the pinnacle and now here we are with Chevy they've got electric vehicles they've got all these things but in you know a couple hundred years they're going to look back at us and be like you know those guys the hats that you're wearing right now are going to be the top hats of this time but they're going to be like you know what you know what they had EVs how about they had these Chevy EVs back

then they were in our time they were in me as the podcaster in 2,240 I'm rocking this incredible electric vehicle and they just got it back then and it was affordable that's what they're going to say oh my god it's affordable I get a silver auto I get a blazer I can get the bull I can go buy it now so Chevy she's just figured it out everything is a step there where they're going to be in 200 years the steps that we took during our time was important and these electric vehicles are part of those steps especially if we want there to be a 200 years from that you know that's that's exactly right we're got to have these electric vehicles baby so go check out their website um their EVs for everyone everywhere over at Chevy like I said at the beginning they got this trusted brand they got that

iconic logo right there on the grill you know Chevy when you see it you trust it now they're in the EV game. They've evolved. They've brought the thunder. They've got electric power stations are popping up all over the place. They got thousands of certified EV dealerships. Shabby Baby. They're our presenting sponsor. We love you Chevy. Evie's for everyone everywhere. We talk a lot about how golf on TV is largely skewed towards seeing good golf because it's the leaders and it's the stars. It's the guys that are playing well. There must be incredible. archival footage or anecdotes of some horrible golf like you're describing caught on TV and on cameras.

You guys had to see some horrible golf. Oh, man, I've set up there for 35 years watching. It's going to be awkward with that. They don't like to point the camera at a guy because it takes too much time. They want to shot, shot, shot, shot. You don't want to sit there watching a guy go, one, two, three, four, five, 12, 14. They're not going to sit there. You know, they don't do it so much anymore.

They used to have, I don't know, maybe it was ESPN, they'd do it on Sunday nights or something, but they would show like the worst golf of the week on tour. And one of my favorite ever videos, because he was a friend of mine, I'm sure he was a friend of yours, Mike Sullivan. Now, Mike Sullivan, like, least likely guy you'd want to get in a fight with on tour in his era. Like, you would not want to be on the wrong side of Mike Sullivan. Nice as he could be, but if he got a little hot, well, it was Mount Vesuvius. And there was a video of him, and you could probably find it on YouTube, where this is long before cell phones.

Anyway, it's New Orleans. He's just over the lip of a bunker. He tries to hit it a couple times, and it goes up and comes right back. Goes up and comes right back. And then he hits it again, and it goes up, it hits the bank, and then it goes back in the water.

And then Mike just goes nuts, right? Absolutely nuts. Well, he didn't know he was on TV, but they captured it, and ESPN ran it. And now he calls home afterwards because they had cell phones, they had phones in the locker room

where you could call home for free. Like this was a huge thing on tour. You can just go home and you call anybody. Anyway, he calls his wife, and his wife has just watched this on ESPN. And she says, well, how was your day, Mike? He was like, oh, it's fine. No big deal. Didn't play great.

It was fine. Really? You have anything to tell me? No. What are you talking about? Nothing happened today? Well, no, not really. So you didn't, like, hit a golf ball like 17 times on that par five and it bounced

back and hit you and went to the water and you lost your mind? I mean, that was a big part of golf. He was showing the worst golf. You don't see the worst golf much. Although we did see Kevin Nog get tangled up in the trees at the Texas Open. And that was entertaining. We love to point the cameras at that stuff, just to see the reaction. Because sooner or later, he's going to go nuts or as Kenny is.

So he's just focusing on him. Kevin kept hitting it. He duck-hooked it there in that one part five. I mean, he didn't. And, you know, we play that golf course. Prior to it opening, because we were going to do it for CBS. We went down there, Costas and I think Ian Baker Finch or something. We got it.

This thing was so hard because every hole was a crosswind. And there was underbrushed that deep with cactus and crap in there. What if anybody goes in there? You're not going to come out. You're going to have to, you go in and take the end of the string. And keep going. When you're done, I'll pull you out, okay? That's because you couldn't see anything.

And it was, that's a brutal. You get blocked in there. It's a house of mirrors. can't, there's no way out. Well, yeah, and that type of stuff to me is a golf coverage and TV needs more of that. Or you have to at least highlight that. You have to showcase that because otherwise, and we were speaking the other night about the product and professional golf and the product of pro golf versus other sports where they do harp on these, on the emotions of it on people screwing up, right? Like that part makes the highlights all the time of people choke under pressure

or whatever it is. And when you've got 140 or 50 golfers out there playing week and we got, like they only show the top 10 or 15 guys that are playing really well for the most part. And it looks like, like, oh, this is a pretty normal day out of. Everybody's hitting it down the middle and hitting it on the green. That's not the fucking case. Guys are like, he just sitting there and they're slapping it around trying to get through. So I do think that coverage and probably, like the, the Bryson video of him against the rope.

Like that, if it's not for social media and those types of things, that video, I don't think that video even gets out, right? And that ends up being. No. In my opinion, in a key part of the year for most people in professional golf is like, that encompassed so much, that video that I saw of that person and that understanding of this, whereas golfers are just so protected day in and day out. Entertaining meltdowns are great. You know, I'm sure you've got a gazillion of them. You remember Bob Eakes?

Oh, yeah. Robert Ekes, he was really talented, but his chili could get hot in a hurry. And I'm playing corned ferry tour one year in Kansas. The wind's blowing right at Hurricane. level, about 70 miles an hour. And one of the guys in our group, we had a threesome. He quit early, and we got on the like the 15th hole. Downhill, Bob hit it above the hole really fast, downwind.

And he ran it by like four feet. I had it in there, like inside, you know, just like eight feet for birdie. He runs it by four feet. And he goes down, I'll finish. And he puts that four footer and goes past the hole. I'll finish and then past the hole. And then it leapt out and hit his foot. And then when at his foot, he looked at me and he just got this weird look on his face.

And he started just bouncing at it. off of his foot. Just two shots, two shots, just bouncing it off of his foot. And then he said, I'm fucking out of here. And off he went. And I was at the time, you know, back then it was just top five, kept their card, kind of late in the year. And I was close to top five.

And I was like, well, hold on. Somebody's got to keep my score. You know, off he goes. There's literally nobody to keep my score. So I'm like, I don't know what I do here. But it was, you know, meltdowns are great. I mean, entertaining meltdowns. I just think that they're hesitant to show tour players in that light.

You know, you go back, he'd go back to the old days. I'm trying to, why I'm doing this. I'm trying to remember this guy's name. Anyway, he was nuts. And this is probably in the 50s. And I forgot who told me this, one of the ones, Sam or Sneed or somebody was telling me. And he said, he would, if he missed a pot or something, and he only did it once that he saw, that he would, uppercut.

himself right here trying to knock himself out. And he did it once. You know what I'm talking about? Well, I know Woody Austin did that. Yeah, Woody. Well, Woody hit it over his head. Well, Woody also co-cocked himself before that. Oh, did he? Oh, yeah. He called to talk himself? Absolutely. Did he knock himself out or just get a little... I think he got a little stumbus. It's like a reset. Isn't that good? But it was such good stuff. It was wild Bill Melhorn. What's it? Very good. Yes. It's exactly who it was. Very good. Upercut himself after. Just yeah. He'd try to catch himself right here and He just, he said once, Sanchez his side, he just went backwards, it went, boom.

Well, his are some of the most entertaining blowups of the whole time. Yeah, yeah. You know, those old guys. He had a wife who hated him cussing on the golf course, and she threatened to leave him if he cussed again. And so now, you know, this is a crossroads for him because he, you know, he played some bad golf. And so he hid it into these, and this is the way the story's told, these are actual flowers, and they're called pussy willows, and he hits it over into the pussy willows. Okay. This is not going to be good.

I like the people, we both giggled at that right on it. But he hits it over to the most of it was. And he didn't get it out and did get it out. And then he lost his mind and started just screaming bloody murder. Every profanity you could think. And he starts lopping off the tops of these flowers. Okay. Just absolutely loses his mind.

And his wife screams and yells and just takes off running to the clubhouse. And now he's like, well, I can't finish the hole. I got to go chase her. So he chases her down. And she's like, I told you I was going to leave you and I met it. He goes, I wasn't mad at my golf. I was not mad at my golf. just said I really hate those pussy willis.

That's where they got the same Bill Murray and Caddyshack then. That's it. Probably. You know, there's a reason. There's a reason the guy's nickname is Wild Bill. Wild Bill. You know, he's not going to be in the clergy. He was out of his mind. Wild Bill Melhorpe's so nuts.

That was a good get on that. Very good get on that. I don't know how you forget that. Golfers are nuts. The brand will convince my body over the weekend to buy, what, $175 pudding book? Yeah, $200 putting book. It was about $20 when I started recommending the book, and I've seen it as high as $300 and something.

I still don't comprehend how you can have a book that's like, how is it not just available for $8? Well, because it's not in print anymore. So there's only a few of them out there, and the more I've talked about the book, the more it's run the price up for the book. I should be involved in the dead. So it's after the seven,

we're playing 17th hole at Mason and Brandl, and I hate to give him credit, one of my least favorite activities, But he, for like the 12th time that day, pours one in from 15 or 20 feet right in the heart dead center. If there's just a circle, there are no cup that would have stopped in the middle of the circle. My buddy, he's been struggling a little bit with putting. He's usually pretty good putter. And he just finally goes, I got to just ask you, Brandon.

Let's see you got a putting tip for me. And Brandl doesn't give him any tip at all. He goes, you just got to get this book. And it's really expensive owner-warning, but you just got to get this book. And my buddy's looking at me. He's like, how expensive could a book be? And he looks up. He goes, Riggs, I can't find this fucking book for less than like $225.

Right. Right, it's only like this thing. It's only like that thing. Which one is it? So Horton Smith, I think he's got the best putting stroke in the history of the game, and he wrote The Secret of Holding Puts. I mean, I'm such a believer in his putting stroke in this book. I went online and actually bought the cash in-in putter he used in the book

and he used to win the Masters. He was the first two-time. Wow. Cash-in putter, you can't get that for a couple 300. Yeah. No, it was expensive. It was pretty expensive. And they're a $200 for the books.

I mean, we're in deep. I'm out of cash. It's pretty expensive. It's pretty expensive. You can all put that good anyway. Yeah. So when I was, I still have some work to do it, but in the process of writing a book on putting. And it's just the commonalities of the greatest putters of all time.

So I would have sat down for a few years and made it a point to read every book written on putting. So we're talking two, three hundred books and take notes. And there's just one book that I read that was like, okay, that's the best book on putting I've ever read. It connects eras. It connects Walter Travis to Tiger Woods in the way they stroke puts with all these great stops on the way with Bobby Jones and Walter Hagen and Bobby Locke, Jack Nicholas Ben Crenshaw, and Tiger Woods. I mean, they're all connected through Walter Travis. They're all in that tree and Horton Smith. And Horton Smith was the conduit, really, for a lot of it, because he gave it to Walter Hagan, who gave it to Bobby Locke and et cetera, et cetera.

Anyway, he writes it all down in this book. I go read this book. Now, I was a pretty decent putter on tour. You don't play the tour 15 years of me. He's putter. And I turned into the most ridiculous putt. I mean, it's improved my putting. It's crazy. First of all, I know now he's got part of the action.

And he's selling the shit out of this. And nothing more than putty. But no, it's the thing that sucks about it, Gary. The thing that's on television with his hair. Ah, he's getting on the shit. The frustrating part was that it happened organically from my buddy. Otherwise, I would have been like, this guy's so full of shit. Who is selling books?

Books. I got a book that's a 20-3. No one's ever heard of, and it's that thick, and you go promote it, and you're getting probably 40% on the downside of this. Even if they sold every one of them, and I got 40%, it'd be $1,000. But still, so then all night after, yesterday, before the friend left, friend Eric's like, still can't believe I asked Brandon for a quick putting tip. I ended up with a $200 book I bought, and it comes in like next Thursday.

I was like, and I'm like, I could tell you, but I just read you. the book. But you know the best putting in device I ever got? Oh you were oh by the way you were a great player yeah that was pretty good yeah 1984 putting champ with PJ Ture had one of the best lines ever when you took what did you say and I said this to Mark Brody I interviewed Mark Brody last week and I said Gary McCord had one of the best lines ever illustrating just how crappy the stats were back then oh yeah you get the lowest putting average of the year you get awarded it you went up and I said I want to I want to thank everybody for recognizing that I miss more greens than anybody on the same. Didn't you say something like that? Well, the last term is in

Pensacola, okay? And it's 1986. I suck. My career from 74 to 86, you just go back. If you look at it, there's no numbers on it, just says, you suck. Okay? So I am leading now the tour and potty going in the last round. And I'm never forget, Peter Osterhouse is behind me, and I'm playing with George Archer, who was? Second. Right. behind me. Okay? So I walk up, you know, what ball you play and everything? I said, George, excuse me. I'm going to tell you this right now, George. I'm not going to win anything out in this tour. I've got a chance to win the putting. So here's the deal. I'm going to miss every green today, and I'm going to try to one putter every hole. I know you're right behind me, but that's

what I'm going to do. And we're in pretty good shape in this golf tournament. So I told my caddy, before the round, I said, do you give me the yardage to the front, take off five? And I missed 18 dreams And I chipping my ass off And I knocked it up Knocked it up And I won the putting deal that year

But telling And then I was on the policy board One of the three player directors Right So we're having a big meeting And never gives a meeting And all of a sudden

We've got Epson Computers Who's going to give 10,000 For every category Long Drive Most Fireways hit Pudding And I got up

Beeman was in there I said I said, bored, I said, listen, I got to tell you. And I told him the story. And I said, we got to come up with something different because I didn't give my best. And I won, and I'd win 10 grand. I didn't want a damn thing. Other than a, it was about that big and a putting champion.

And I have no idea where it is. Okay. No idea. No idea where it is. So they changed. They changed it after. You finally won something. I finally won something.

They changed the rules. It changed the rules of it. Something you worked hard to get. Holy shit. Yeah. It's hard to miss every grade. I was going to say it. Listen to him on birdie.

Basically, he gave me five-yard short, and I never hit it solid anyway. So it was never going to get even to the five-yard short. So I was a master of the 20-yard birdie chip. Anyway, the best putting tips I ever had, the best one I ever had was Brad Faxson. That's a good one. And Faxon and I are playing somewhere. And we're, you know, we're right there. And we're kind of second, third group from the end.

Okay, I'm a Saturday. and I'm over there and I'm hunkered down over three footers practicing, getting ready, you know, just before the tea time. Who's up now? Okay, we're going to be... And I'm just going on these three footers, you know, just gripping it like this, getting missing every one of them. God, what am I going to do now? And all of a sudden, they can whack, this ball comes right by me, like that.

I look up, and the faxon's over there in the other side of the putting green. So I get over again, and I'm from three-footer. Why can't I make it? I'm always pulling it when I pushed one. And I'd look, go together. Boom! Here comes another ball. all the way across the green way over there. What the hell?

On the tee? Do you do, do, do, do. Oh, shit. So we go running over the tee, and we play the first toll in the second hall, it's part of three. We're going up with both hit, and I get up next time.

Of the ladies aid there, walk into the, I said, facts, I said, by the way, can I ask you a question? I said, what the hell were you doing with a putting green? He goes, what do you mean? I go, I said, these balls are just flying,

and they're going from one end to the other. Oh, yeah, he said, I was practicing not giving a shit. And he kind of walked faster and got ahead of me, and I'm going, so I walked up to him in the neck, I said, excuse me, what? He said, oh, I just practiced not giving a shit. Once you hit it, you got no control of it. And I just kind of, and I really, I thought, I said, that's a damnedest,

that's the damnedest thing I've ever heard. And it's absolutely 100% true, right? You can't give a shit. If you give a shit, you're going to choke your guts out. So how many times in the golf term, you've gone out there and you're playing really bad. I mean really bad, like six over after seven. That's it.

I've had it. Fuck it. Play your ass off. And then all of a sudden, birdie, birdie, because you don't get birdie. And all of a sudden, shit, I'm back to even par. Right. Uh-oh. Right.

I'm going to take it back like this. And all of a sudden, now you're four over again. This game would kill you. Roger Malby has a great line. He said, golf's only hard when you care. Yeah, exactly right. And I remember once, you know, going to see Bob Rattella. And, you know, we got there, I got there on a Monday.

Monday, Tuesday, didn't hit any golf balls. Didn't even talk about golf. All we did was just talk. And Wednesday, I got to catch a flight and go to the Canadian Open. And I'm like 130th on the money list. And it's, you know, towards the end of the year. And he finally just takes me up to the putting green. He said, I want you to hit 10 putts here.

And I want on each put you to try harder than you did the preceding putt. And just all the way to the 10th one. By the 10th one, your life depends on it. I don't know. Maybe you make three or four. He goes, now then, let's reverse this. Ten putts. Each put, you care less.

about the outcome. You care less. You make seven. You do it again. You make four. You make nine. You make three. Every time you win, carrying less. And I was like, that's it. That, that's, and he was like, yeah, that'd be five thousand bucks. And I was like, holy shit. Five thousand bucks. Five thousand bucks. Yeah. Right. Hell yes. But I paid him to five thousand bucks and I went up to the tournament. I was like, all right, I'm going to try not to give a shit. And I played my ass off, kept my card. I was like, who knew? Been trying. It's just almost impossible as the problem to not give a shit. Exactly.

Like facts you're saying, it's like, how do you practice not giving a shit? Because if you're out there by nature, you care. And that's true on every level, whether you're a tour winner, or whether you're somebody out there, it's a toy handicapped. When you don't give a shit, you don't notice it, you look, and all of a sudden, you know, that player's like, I'm going to shoot my career low on the front because I'm just out of here. I think that's it.

That's golf. But the old days, they just did drink. That's all they do it. That's what most of us do now. Yeah, exactly. I'll be playing now. Give me another bear. Once again.

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I remember one day, another putting lesson. You'll love this one. I'm sitting there at Pinehurst in the bar. And I just sitting there lonely. I don't know what I was thinking about, what I was doing. I wouldn't play very good. I like this as a putting story. You know, I kind of look over and I, you know, see the guys at the bar and everything.

I can look over and I see it. About three down from me, a bejowled old gentleman. The time he had the time he heard of the word. He had a crappy looking cotton old thing on. And he's, and he's in bare. And finally I go, shit. I said, bartender, whatever he's drinking, give him that.

I said, are you Bobby Locke? Oh, come on. And he goes, yes, I am. That's more Scottish than it is. South African. Close enough. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we got. I go, what are you doing here?

And he goes, I'm here to get in, the Hall of Fame was in. Hall of Fame was it, Hall of Fame. I'm here to get inducted at the Hall of Fame. I said, really? So I bought a couple more drinks. I got to see this. So I get him, I go get, you know, they've got all the things. So I went to the GM and I got one of those old putters, wood and shaft and everything.

I said, Mr. Locke, I said, I got to see how you pot. Come on. I've heard stories. Sam Seney told me he's the best. that's ever lived that ever will live. So I got to see this. And finally, I bought him enough drinks where he did. So we got some three balls.

So here's the, if that's the hole, he was aimed over here on a six footer. Okay? Right foot drawn back like this. Had a little waggle, you know, kind of looked up like this. And then he took it back, take it back to the inside,

and then he took his shoulders and he went like this. He just rotate his shoulders And this thing had top spin Right in the middle First one, Jesus Christ I said How do you line

How do you line the face When you Excuse me Son what Line the face up You don't line the face up You just take your hands And put it to where you want it to go

And I said Why the big hook Right Why did he hooked it He literally hooked it He looked at me He said a duck hook will roll a lot better than a big high slice.

That was it. He said, let's go back and drink some more. Is it okay? Come down here. I don't know what he said, but damn, he looked good doing it. Did you try to incorporate that? I'm sure the next day you were out there. Well, the easiest, you put it on the toe and give it one of those.

But he duck hooked it. And he told me it was because of the grass in South Africa. It was so coarse. You had to get it up on top and get it rolling. So it was one of these. Right. And it was legendary. Right.

I mean, it was. He was really. good at that. Right. We were speaking again about this the other night, but you were always incredibly witty on TV, you're trying to come up with new, you know, new terms, phrases. You just used one I never heard before my life a couple seconds ago. I make it up all on the go. I think the phrase you used before we even started was like de-clis-clay things or something along those lines. Did you ever get, like, do you ever get nervous before you do TV just that you would say something? No. In fact, silly or getting trouble or corporate. I used to bait.

bait the tournaments. And the tournaments I'm talking about is Augusta. And again, you have to see the process. When you go in there, you've got to know the process of what happens. Who's calling the shots? Is it your producer? Yeah. Or is it, now, underneath there's catacombs down there is the office.

And I had to go down there and visit Hord Hardin, my first time there. Oh, is your first year? Jim Nance, me, the first time we were there, 1986, and Hort Harden, and I had to go down in the catacombs. You'd have been proud of me. What, you were respectful and reverent? No, it was the opposite. Of course. I'll give you a real fast one.

So you go down there, and you open the door, and it sounded like a horror movie. The door just opened, and it was backlit, and there was just dust in the background. floating around in this figure, dusty figure comes out. Come on in, guys. And there's Hort Hardin, who was the tournament director at that time. And I've got a Panama hat on. Okay, I still remember. White jeans, white shoes and a big yellow bulky sweater.

So I get there, and Frank takes Nance over in the corner. Frank Trichinian. Yes, Frank Trichinian, who has started golf on television. and I am now in a chair right in front of Hordharden with this big desk and a giant picture of Bobby Jones behind it. Okay? And I am now in the principal's office. Okay?

And I am going to get leveled. So he's going like this. Here's what you can do. Here's what you can't do. Never once, Nancy's sitting over there. Never once turned to Nancy and goes, here's what you're going to do. And I'm sitting there. And I'm sitting there and I'm waiting now.

I got my feet on. on the coffee table. I took my hat off, but I got my feet up on the coffee table. I am being the biggest ass of all time. You just put your feet up on the table. I'm up like this. I'm listening to Hort Harden. First time at the master.

First day at the Masters. I'm surprised you got on air. How did I last six years? How did you last? I'm sitting there. I'm waiting. I'm waiting for him to pause. He's not pausing.

He's just going through this whole thing. and just, dude, you got to do this, you got to do that. And he finally paused. And I stood up. And I said, Mr. Harden, I said, so what I get from this conversation is that I can't wear that clown outfit on Saturday that I bought. And I just waited, and Frank went like this. Frank.

Just went like this. And he goes, no, I don't think that'd be appropriate. Shit, I'm going to lose the deposit. Exactly what I said. in front of Hart Hardin, who runs the Masters. How'd you ever get a mic there? I'm an idiot, okay? We go out, Jimmy goes out first.

Okay, the door closes, the dust settles in the back. Boom! Door closes. And Frank, who is four, he's about five foot six, like this. Carthenean general, grabs me in the back of the neck as we're going. And he's going like this all the way out. And he goes, don't you ever just listen? That's the first time I'm there, right?

Well, he should have known. I was going to say they know. I kept baiting. I kept baiting to see the process. Okay, when, is it from the catty combs? Because he has a phone down there, and he's going to call the producer probably he doesn't like something, and then the producer is going to tell me, right?

So first year I'm there, 14th hole, got it? They always put the new guy in the 14th. hole. You're up there, the towers to the right in those trees. There's not. Right. How could you fuck this up? It's a conduit between two far fives. That's all it is. So I'm sitting up there. And the wind's flown a hundred miles

an hour downwind, the second shot. Okay? And the pins in the back right. Three step like this, right? Gone this one. These balls are flying up in the gallery. So I go, I'll find out. And I get the next one goes up. Wow, there goes another one in the cheap seats. I counted myself.

One, two, three. What? What? There's no cheap seats of the gusty, you idiot. You moustachioed piece of shit. He's just screaming at me. I went, okay, found out. I said, that phone call couldn't have come that fast.

It was him, right? It was Frank. Who never pays attention to what we say, ever? Except maybe you had a gustave. He was producing and directing at the same time. Right. So your boss hasn't got time, right? Right. At this term he does. This is already was listening. So I went, okay, I'd better be careful. And I said a couple other things along the way. But yeah, I lasted. I last, I got let go. And so I lasted eight years, which is amazing. And Farity was still there. That was the amazing thing. I would have lost the overall.

No, there's no question. Well, the ones they fired me, it's hard for them to fire him unless, you know, you got arrested, which by the way, he did on site. that's another story. Who got arrested on? Farity. He did. On the golf? On the property? On the property?

Got arrested. David, if you're listening to this. Tell me how to mic on. David. Okay, they had the late show. And they started the late show at 11 o'clock at night. So at that time it was Nance and it was Farity. Okay.

I don't work for the network anymore. So I can tell this yet, right? Yeah, totally. So, so David was drinking then and all sorts of other things. Okay. And he came a little under the weather, as we say, trying to get to Butler Cabin where they did the late show. And it was a half hour show and they'd back and forth what the day is happening. Well, David somehow from our compound over there in that par three over there, okay, part three back behind it,

somehow missed a road but got on a golf cart path. In a Lincoln Continental. He's in a Lincoln Continental. He's on the path. He's on the path. And he's coming now. He's in the golf course. And he's going around and here comes.

Here comes the Secret Service, whoever they employ there. And he hit a tree. Boom. Trying to get to the compound. Trying to get to Butler Cabin. hits the tree and now there's cops security all around him and they cuff him okay

and he's behind it they cuff it no you're all right they're in the front okay but if they behind that means they mean what they're doing oh yeah so David talks him into he says I've got to be on a national television show right over there and they

go so they take him in and Nance looked at him and here he got there's two cops pushing him in he's handcuffed he goes Is he supposed to be here? And Nancy said, no. So anyway, they uncuffed him and let him do this show. So he got arrested.

I didn't get arrested. I just got kicked out. He got arrested. Yes. Okay. And he can't deny that. David, wherever you are, he can't deny that. He's in Ireland right now, by the way.

So do you guys, are you guys in Ireland? Yeah. No, they'll never. We'll never. We'll never. Stay right around. Never. Yeah.

When they do kick you out finally, what's that process like? I assume you weren't shocked. No, no, I was totally shocked. Why? We're up in the tower. I'm at 17th this time. And on the 17th hole, unbeknownst to me, I don't know why he was there, was Neil Pilsson, the president of CBS Sports, right here.

And he's got a bat phone. It's red. and whenever there's a red phone in front of you really not know where that's going yeah I've been down with that it comes so for some reason they I guess I needed a chaperone I don't I don't know at this time so now if you're going to have any good lines at Augusta you wait and so the whole year you're right I write all the time I never use it but I just I write I write just and I look at words so in in in the 17th Tower, literally got magazines that thick.

All sorts of magazines. Wired. Everything. From every, I don't want to have scientific America pretty deep. I don't want to have something in there, so it's People magazine, that kind of crap. And all he do is I'd look, words. I just throw words in. I just, words and not in any sequence, no stories.

I don't look at it. Oh, that's a good story. Bullshit. I just looking at words. Working in a weird thing. Close it. Yeah, you were great at that. And then I don't know what's coming up.

At the end of this, we're in a commercial break. End of this thing is from Escondito, California, where I live, there's a woman's spa there named the Golden Door, worldwide famous. Okay? And I'm looking at a menu that's on there, and I've just going nuts over the prices. Cucumber lifts or something, you know, $150. And there was seaweed wraps, and there was bikini wax waxes, 120 to 170.

Closed it. Now, this is going really too fast. That's what we're looking for. Okay, so this is Sunday late. As you know, the one thing about these greens is the speed. Okay? So I started like this. So Jose Murillo, I lost my ball.

Hit a ball up there and it pins back right. And he's down the lower left. Well, you've got nothing. You got to hit one of these and it's just, it's too fast, right? So I said, what he's got? I said, I've seen guys three putt there, Raymond Floyd three putt there, and when he won the tournament and it comes down the hill, and it's just impossible. In fact, but one thing about this golf course is this time of the day on Sunday,

but one thing they fear is the speed of the Greens. In fact, I don't think they mow them. I think they bikini waxed. I got it in. I figured literally, I put it together. The president, like you are, is laughing. Okay? He's laughing.

The phone's not going off. He's laughing. The camera is laughing. The camera is laughing. I go, shell, I got a good one there. Boom. We close the door. We're done. You know, everything's good. Get some nice write-ups in the paper the next day and everything.

So Wednesday, we're at Hilton Head. The next week. Yeah, next week. It's on a Wednesday, and I'm walking through the truck, and I hear from the bowels over there to the left. This is where Frank's office is. Is that a cord? Yeah. Yeah. Get in here.

So close the door. Boom. Close it. Sit down. shit he didn't say anything Sunday money and Tuesday so what's this all about right so he gets in there and he tosses me a letter and it's written in pencil and it's a letter it says this man to excuse me

to Augusta National this man needs to be get off the air immediately he's the Howard Stern of golf we don't need him he needs to get out got to put an end of this and it's signed Tom Watson and I'm going hmm I said, when'd you get this?

He said, yesterday. I go, you got any backlights from Augusti yet? He goes, no, not yet, but I'm expecting some. And I went, okay, let me know. So Friday brings me in and he goes, okay, all hell is broken loose. He says, they're now in meetings and everything else. I said, what's going to happen? He said, oh, you're fucked.

He said, and here's the deal. He says, see, is not going to back you at all in this. You know that. And I go, yeah, probably. He says, so this is your fight. He said, you just stay above the fray. That was it.

And then it started. And it got to where it got. And it was, it was an interesting... Was it just Tom Watson versus you at this point? That seems... If there's not more backlash of that, it seems like, you know,

it seems like they could be like, yeah, yeah, Tom's like, you know, whatever. Who cares? And he has... And I found out later, and he has gotten rid of this problem. But, you know, he used to drink quite a bit. And his agent told me this about five years later.

He apologized. Tom was under the weather, let's put it that way, and wrote it in pencil and sent it. And he goes, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, send it. So the thing was now, it wasn't that, that's fine. You and Tom made them in. Kind of, yeah. We had a very close. close. Powwow somewhere.

Powwow that had a lot of this in the chest, okay, going like this. And I think my question was, who made you God? I think that was the one. It's a fair question. If you got a problem with me, come to me, don't do this.

You cost me my job. Come on. Right, right. Guys don't do that. Come to me and call me an asshole. I agree, okay? I agree. So, yeah, I mean, you're not going to disagree.

So anyway, the thing. You bow out gracefully. I'll give you that. The thing was, how do I keep this? CBS is not going to protect you at all. That's their biggest asset, masters. Their biggest asset. It might be bigger than the Super Bowl because they have it every year.

So they just distance themselves and you've got to fight the fight. So as Frank told me, they'll stay above it. So I just kept staying above it. You know, the articles, what happened? I go, you know, I got out of line. It's their tournament. I respect them. They've got the greatest golf tournament in the world.

They are definitely right. If I run the tournament, I wouldn't have me on either. So I just stayed above it. I stayed above it. So I wouldn't get CBS. Because CBS is signed, I think it's 56 straight one-year contracts, one year. So they have a meeting every October, and they go over the deal. So it's really brilliant.

So if you screw up, NBC is right there, golf channels, whoever is right there. Screw up. Well, I'm a pretty good screw up, right? So I've got to protect my company that's not protecting me. So it's a really interesting dynamic media deal. And I learned a lot in that fight. I learned how to fight the fight above it. Let them screw up.

And they screwed up. You know, they kept a couple of guys that were the term of drug. You know, they ask him, who's he? You know, stuff like that. Just like, come on, guys, that's pretty smart. You know who I am. They're the one that I got kicked out, okay? So they kept fighting the fight the wrong way.

Their PR guys weren't real good. And I just kept saying basically what, yeah, they're right. I should be out of there, you know. I should have lasted that long. My guy is. It's pretty big of you too, right? Because a lot of people would feel like, oh, I'm being abandoned by my company. Then you're like, no, no, I get it.

No, you knew that. And by the way, the president, you guys can't fuck this up. The president of CBS Sports told me that. One damn in the hallway. And he goes, I need to talk to you. He said, you know, we can't protect you at all. You're on your own. At all.

Okay. All right. All right. But, you know, you made a career really out of dancing on that line. And you did it really, really well. I mean, you'd take it to that line. It's hard to do. It's hard to do.

Hard to not cross that line. Like, I'll give you an example. I mean, where you take it to where everybody laughs, not too many people are offended. That's a tough spot to go to. Phoenix Open one year. I was doing it with you. I can't remember who it was in the 18th Fairway.

Go down to Gary. It's Gary's call. Pins just on the front, just over that little ridge there in the front. And Gary says, he's got 137 to the front. He's got 132 to sort of carry that ridge. Now, what makes this whole difficult is, and what makes this whole beautiful, is that it's got a great false front.

And this is a town that can really appreciate a great false front. Now, you know what? You get these stories right, but you get the wrong holes. Is that, was it not? Which was it? Was it nine? Okay.

So, we're walking. We're walking out. By the way, it often happens that you're doing TV. I think it's my best lie. I think it's tremendous. But in the second you uttered it, you think to yourself, how in the hell did I never say that? I mean, you're like, why did that never occur to me? It's so obvious.

It is now. It wasn't then. Okay, it's a 16th hole on Saturday. Okay, the pins up front. Always on Saturday, a hole in one position, tiger, right? Pat Perez, your boy, Pat Perez, hits a ball about 12 feet to the right. Now, my buddy, Rick Folio, who is my... One of the loveliest people in all the go.

He's my information guru up in the tower. So we're looking over all the time. Stuff. So we're coming down from our compound, which is in the store. street over there. And now there's, I think that day was 180,000 people there. Okay. And it was 75 degrees. That's all you need to say. There's 200,000 people and it's 75 degrees. We're trying to get, it takes forever to get to the 16th hole. And every woman there has got a sundress on and six inch heels. Everyone. And it's, it's impressive, right? So that's in the back of my mind. the back of my mind.

And Pat Proz has got this putt that's Penn High Ride, a little above the hole. And I said, you know, he bogied the last hole. So he's going to be pretty aggressive, but you've got to watch it. Because there is a bunker down there. And just to the left of the bunker is up false front. Coincidentally, most of the women out here have the same thing. And that ball could roll, and I went as fast as I could. That's how it played out.

my producer was listening, okay? Because I knew I'm dead. Rick Folio hit me like this as hard as he could, and his eyes got that big. And I looked at him and I said, let's go to 17. And he goes, do you want to get kicked out of another one? He said, you can't say that. You know how hard is to get kicked out of the waist?

Yeah, exactly. Exactly. So my producer, there's nothing. There's nothing. They didn't hear it. There's nothing. There's a false front on this screen. Coincidentally, most of the women out here have the same thing.

It's a brilliant line. It's a brilliant line. When you look at it and take it up. And I, nobody says anything on my ear. I'm going, okay. So I walk in the compound. And I walk in and the assistant director, the guy that's over here to the left, who is now producing, seller shy.

goes, hey, he's yells at me, did you say what I thought you said? No, I don't know what you thought I said. Did you say something about false fronts? And I go, yeah, did Lance hear it? And he goes, no, but we all got laughing in the truck. And he goes, what are you guys laughing at? They all bat me.

They go, we don't. No, we're just laughing. So the whole truck, the whole truck protecting my ass. So now Lance finds out that I said it. And as you know, Every time we go to commercial break, the next three weeks, what does he play? That line on national television. He plays it.

He's going to watch it. They've got to false front. By the way, most of the women out here at the same thing, that is like this. He never yelled at me. Thank God. Yeah, very good. And that's what it was, the 16th hole, front pen. You were telling me something the other night of the one time in your career where somebody.

What are we talking about Randall? Let me go on him for a minute. Look how clean cut, you know. No, he's not. No, he's not. You're telling me one time in your career, and I can't read details that somebody threw it to you, and you, for the only time, you had no idea what to say. Oh.

I want to hear this story. By the way, we talked about Brandl being involved. We're involved with this one, aren't we, Brando? The guy's name is Patrick Reed. I know you can't say a word. You're probably on some sort. of legal, I can't say a thing. Okay.

Master's winner. Fine player. Anyway, yeah. And you can't say a word because you're one of the ones. I can say this. 800, I was it, 850, 800. I've kind of pissed that I'm not on that list because that's the loose who of golf is on that list.

He just picked everybody. I'm blown away. You're not on the list. Why am I not on the list? So what you're talking about, it was, it was. And this was funny, because this, as you know, when you get into this situation. This is it, Beth Page Black, and we're at the PGA Championship. And Patrick Greed has got the lead.

I'm on the par 510th hole. And he is in the right rough. And the rough was up to your fat locks. It was like that. It was there. And he is over the right rough on a T-shot. And Kostas is down there following him. And I see him down there, and he gets in one of the looks like a,

wedge, only way I could get it out would be a wedge. He gets a wedge. Then he goes over and he gets another club, gets it. The next thing I know, he's got a wood. What? He's got a wood. And I go, Peter, Peter, what kind of lie has he got to be able to hit a wood out of there? And Peter goes on national television, well, that's not the same lie he had when I walked up here. To you, Gary. To you, Gary. Well, I did every iteration there is.

In your head. Legally, legally, exactly. If I say this, if I say, Peter, what do you mean? It's going to get him more implicated because he's not going to stop talking. If I go, really, that's hard to hit a three wood out of that lie. Was that lie different than now I got to have a camera right over to show it otherwise? Right. There's no evidence.

I went through this. I was like a lawyer working as time. I'm old. And this, you know, trying to get this. thing to work and I just went. Speechless. Buster Keaton. Didn't say a word. And as soon as we get to a commercial, I hit that on-air

button for all the other ones. Costas, you son of a bitch, what did you do to me? You rot, my, fuck. Do you ever say that again? I'm going to kill you. And he goes, well, I said, I don't care. Don't throw it to me. You tell me about the lie. Don't get me involved in what was going on down there.

That's my favorite part of that. To you, Gary. You go, it's on YouTube. You go look at it. Go, it's exactly what I said. Exactly. But yeah, you get moments like that where you, as you know, things go by real quick. What if, what if, what if, what if, what if, what if, what if, I'm out, I'm out. Don't say a word.

And that's hard for me to do, as you know. No. Oh, no. By the way, how's that? You all right with the lawsuit? Do you need any help with that? I've got. These minds over here.

I'm pretty confident in the courts. I've got money. Really help you. If you need, 20, 30 bucks. My ex-wife was like, I didn't know you were worth $8.50,000. Jesus. Like, I didn't see that coming. Can we open up the suit again?

She's like, I made a big mistake. You better, don't say anything. Don't, as your lawyer, as your legal counsel, don't you say a word. I'm happy to let it play out. Brando for me. It's only new is more lawsuits in the game. For Masters' coverage, we were talking a lot about what he had to go through. They're bringing him into dudgeons of the basement and telling him what he can't say.

You guys, you're up there and you guys are in front of the flowers. and is it completely different than any other week? Do they make you jump to? Well, I mean, the language is different. You know, there's things you can't say. You know, casually it comes out. You know, you can't say fan. Obviously, you need to say patron.

They argue that fan is short for fanatical. They don't want fanatical people on that property. They want reverence. Spectators, patrons, that works. Can't say back nine. Certainly can't say backside. That doesn't work. You know.

I can't look at last in eight years. I can't look at last than eight years. I can't say backside. I don't say, you're just on the back ass. No, can't do that. Can't say this is a great backside. Can't do that. The vernacular is different.

And, you know, you can't say driving range. It's tournament practice facility, I believe. So there's, you know, there's certain things. What do you get a document? Email? You absolutely. like a, get a document that, you know, that says these are the stylus code, you know, just pay attention to it.

And then, you know, they're not crazy about it. You know, it's just don't make a habit of it. If one of the words comes out, you know, nobody's going to yell at you. But just, you know, if you say fan three times in a show, somebody might say, hey, just heads up. But other than that, no, we're free to pretty much do whatever we do. How about, did they ever say anything about the purse? that you cannot mention or mention the purse? I don't think they even announced the purse until the weekend.

And you're not meant to talk about money. Is that right? Yeah, they don't even announce the purse there until the week. See, that's funny. That's something I wouldn't even have noticed, but now I'll never not notice. But tell me this, though, if you won the Masters, how far down in priority would wondering how much money you may be?

Way down. Way down. It would be way down. Way, way down. Like I said, they get it right. First thing, so the first thing I would think is, good Lord of money, I get to come back here forever. I get to bring family to play this golf course. I get to come back to the most perfect golf course from an aesthetic standpoint, maybe from a strategic standpoint, tour pros play a week, year in and year out.

That would be it. And then I can't believe what I've done, you know. So, yeah, I mean, money doesn't really even factor into it, you know. I mean, we don't hardly talk about money anymore. It is occasionally, I think, interesting to go back and look at the money list and just see how much money players are making because we don't even talk about it. We talk about FedEx Cup. We don't even talk about the money. But to go back and see, like, Jordan Speath, what do you think Jordan Speath made in 2015, you know, the money was?

It's interesting. We're speaking quite a bit on the show the last few months, especially with our buddy Alistair, who you know. Yeah. Who's out of the Corfairn. By the way, started with an eagle. He started his old Corpherty Tour career. That's 69. But, you know, nowadays with the money is only going to be more and more with the elevated events or whatever.

They're designated events. They're calling them now. They used to call them that. Because he's still dialed. The first thing is waiting for a phone call. The first designated tournament was colonial. The boys, they had to play five or eight, something like that. And the first one, I'll never forget it.

I was playing pretty good, which is amazing. I have never been that nervous in my life. It greens on purpose. I did. Our purses were 150 grand. This was a quarter of a million dollars. And I'm coming down the end and I'm going, every putt. I got every shot.

It's going to cost me a thousand or two. And I'm puckered up so bad you couldn't believe it. I finished and I finished like sixth, sixth or seventh, something like that. Good week. And good week. I'm like, 10 grand. No. Five. Come up.

That's crazy. It's choking my guts out. It was a quarter of a million dollars. Now you're looking at it. They're giving them $500,000 to play the tour now. To that point. That's the best. You know, when I talk about with him and other guys,

as now they're even, you know, players have to make this calculation between, it used to be you take this endorsement deal because it's guaranteed X amount of money. And, yeah, I'll use their clubs. It's totally fair worse. You never do that. Now you'd be crazy to do that because every shot in one tournament's worth an endorsement deal

for a whole year. Right. I mean, if you just organically love these particular golf clubs and it works out that you're going to get that deal, great. But anymore, I would say, you know, the variance in equipment used to be pretty wide. I don't know that it is that wide anymore. I mean, they get shafts beautifully. You know, they get them so consistent. They get the weights right. They get the, you know, the heads right. They get the, you know, anymore, there's not, I can remember, and I'm not going to throw an equipment company under the bus, but there was one equipment company that was so famous for getting stuff right. Like you could ask them for such detail in a wedge, you know, this much upright, this much loft, and you could go half degree and two wraps on a 60 grip stretched a quarter of an

inch, tore velvet. You'd never have to check it. Perfect. And then some of the others, I mean, they'd send you stuff and you'd be like, I don't know who this is for. It's not for me. There was a lot of variance in equipment. There's just not now. It's fantastic. Listen, the old days. I can talk the old days, okay? I represent a club company, I would tell you this. I don't think they're around anymore. And we used to get the golf balls, okay? They were called tour selects, right?

No. Is this before that? I'm not going to give up. You're not going to trick me into who this was. So you get these golf balls. They'd send them to, you know. No, you can't. At night in the motel room, you get it, and you had your ring.

Oh, yeah. And the ring. You know, I had the ring in the old days. Some of these look like eggs you buy down at the store. Okay, they're all along. And so you put them through and if they stuck in the ring a little bit and you put them through, they're good. It's perfect, 1.68.

And I'd do it and do it and do it. And all of a sudden, when I go, I had five of them in a bag, in a golf bag, in the right pocket. We'd get to a par five, okay? I'm just laughing because I can relate. Hit the regular day. I remember one day, Tommy Valentine. Remember TV?

Of course. Okay. So I'm playing with TV. I mean, he hit monsters. He used to hit those flat hooks with no spin in those days with wooden clubs. Yeah. Right? And he's out driving the crap out of it, you know.

Get to a par five. Get my right pocket, put the ball down. Oh, yeah. And just 20 by them. Go, what the hell are you doing? He said, it looks like the same speed, but you're, you can't out drive you. You're out driving like 20 yards of this hole. And you've never seen it.

If my ball went in the water, I'd literally walk in the water to get it. I need that ball. I need that ball. I can't get in there and get that ball. Right. I used to play these balls from this big that would go through the deal. That was the old days. Oh, yeah.

I mean, the old days, you didn't, like you said, you'd be getting stuff that was. Yeah. First tour of Ann I ever got invited to play in was the week that tidalists did away with the, well, they didn't do away with it. But they introduced the 384 golf ball. This is before you were born about four years. Okay. And so everybody played the pro trajectory. Never heard of it.

Okay. And I, let's just say, was an early adopter to that 384 golf ball. I show up that week, and there's four dozen 384s. You can't get this ball. I'm in college at the time. I'm junior in college. I got finals the next week. I'm paying for golf balls.

I might be playing Wilson L.Ds for crying out loud. Wilson? Why? Might be playing pro stats, okay? But there's four dozen 384s in there. And, you know, everybody hits it longer in college. I was a lot longer in college than I was when I played the tour. and I get paired with Jim Thorpe in the first round.

And Jim Thorpe was a bit of a god at that point, you know? I mean, still a bit of a god. But he was a bit of a god. And I smoked it past Jim all day long, you know? I mean, just I was using this 384. He was using the pro trajectory. And, you know, I was like, these balls are gold. You know, I've never seen.

It's like having a magic wand, you know. And the next day I'm in front of my locker. I'm put my shoes on. Jim Thorpe comes walking by, who by the way is a lovely character. hilarious. Hilarious. And he sits down and he, you know, I think he's going to say, good plan, really enjoyed it or whatever.

And he's like, what kind of balls were those you were playing yesterday? Like, he had made no acknowledgment that it was me. Like, he was, he knew, you know. And I was like, oh, that's the new 384 that Tideless just came out with. You know, nobody's changing. Crazy. I'm not changing whatever. I was just with him.

And he says, and he's the best. And he says, could I get a dozen of those golfels? And at the time, I was driving, my dad, let me drive his car that week. I was driving a sedan deylle, sedan de ville, four-door, midnight blue Cadillac with beautiful. Chrome everywhere. Beautiful, what were the seat, the seat that went all the way across? You know, that seat? Bench seat in the front, bench seat in the back, belure.

Belor. Sweet car. Great in Texas. I said, Jim. I said, Jim, I'm driving a four-door sedan-de-vue. cattle. He wanted it. Baby blue.

He wanted it. I'll give you that before I give you a dozen draughts. Like, not a chance in hell. I'm giving you these golfs. I was just, Bighorn, we had a tournament. You saw a gym,

three weeks ago. So we're in the locker room. Listen to this. Two and a half hours. A little table like this. Thorpe, me, and Trevina. Two and a half hours. It was

Dead silence Unbelievable When Lee talks You just kind of listen No personality I'll sit and listen And there were stories And story

It was somebody You guys should have been there Just To put a microphone down And God this was Call me next time We'll be there Yeah

He's doing great He's doing great He looks great I run into him Occasionally And off he goes You know He hadn't met my wife Bailey

And I was at the father's son Two years ago And he came up and next thing, you know, he's talking to my wife. And you know, thought they'd been friends forever. I mean, my wife's like, that's the sweetest guy ever. Yeah, and he really is. I mean, I just, I loved him.

He used to tell the funniest stories. And honestly, you couldn't tell the stories that he. Right, right, right. But, you know, the golf, the tour was so full of characters. I remember the first time I, I didn't know Gary then, but I can remember getting invited to play in the Byron Nelson in 1984. And this was when they had the phones. And I was sitting in the locker room, and I heard Gary on the phone with a buddy.

I can't remember who it was. But he was talking about the night before, just around the corner. And I was just listening to Gary, tell this story about what they had done the night before. You can look it up. You played the 1984 Bauer, and I can guarantee you that. And I listened to the story, and I was like, that's the funniest son of a bitch I have ever heard of in my life. I had a buddy of mine that I used to gamble with in Dallas. His name was Gary McLean.

And Gary was a hell of a player. He shot 58 once. at Stevens Park in a match, but he always told people he was Gary McCord. Any time we were out. Why would you do that? Well, that's what I said to it. That's what I said to it. You're trying not to get laid? Is that the deal? No, he would tell if he was Gary McCourt, and I asked him one time, I was like, why wouldn't you pick a star? And he goes, because people would know what a star looked like. Nobody knows what Gary. That's the worst reason I've ever heard. It's like, people still think I'm a tour player, but nobody knows I'm not.

Gary McLean. Oh, that poor guy. But, you know, you hear his laugh. You know, getting Gary to laugh on the golf course was a joy. And, you know, one time Gary and I were playing in this tournament, your partner was Steve Nicholas. Oh, you're talking about me. Yeah. Oh, okay.

Getting you to laugh. Not Gary McLean, but getting you. I remember your partner in the Kings Cup was Steve Nicholas, I believe, or was it Mike Nicholas? In the Kings Cup? In the Kings Cup? In the Kings Club? Wycalaoa. Do you not remember the year?

So my partner was Clint Eastwood. It was Steve. So always trying, Gary, Gary, it's not hard for Gary to get people to laugh, but if you could get Gary to laugh, it's a great laugh. And so we're out playing, and Clint Eastwood is my partner, he's my partner, you know, three or four years in that tournament, and he was, bless his heart, just not very good at golf, and he would never pick up.

And so it's match play. So Gary and his partner, I think, did you say Steve? are they're playing Clint and I. And I'm 10 feet for Bertie. And Clint's hit it in the bunker in two. And he's got a little bunker shot out. And he doesn't get it out. And he doesn't get it out.

And now Gary is standing right beside me. And he doesn't get it out. And he doesn't get it out. And I'm not shitting you. He keeps going a bit. And then in all the fog of this, he stops. And he just sort of leans on his wedge. And he looks like he's just pondering.

And so I said to Gary, I said, Gary, you know what he's thinking right now? And Gary goes, no, what are you thinking? And I said, I tell you what, I guarantee you right now he's thinking, in all this confusion, I can't remember if I've hit it five times or six times. And Gary starts laughing like that, okay? And Clint hears us laughing. And Clint turns around and looks at us like he's about to shoot us with that 45.

He was so pissed. I was like, oh, my God, I've got to get in the cart with this guy. Things were laughing at him. Gary laughs the rest of the day. The rest of the day. Clay had one year at the Crosby. We're playing. I'm playing with him.

And he says, what are you doing tonight? I go, I don't know yet. He says, I'll meet you cocktails at the, what's his place there? The Boars. Oh, the hogs. Hogshead. Hogshead. Hogshead.

Hugshead. Hugshead. Hogshead. breath. Hogs breath. Hogs breath. We got there. I meet you. We got there. We got there. We did. We got there. We got there. We got there. Hypothed that is. It wasn't easy. So he says, I meet you. Hogs breath. Back bar. Six o'clock. Great backboard. Okay. Oh, boy. You're not messing out. Yeah. I'm going. So I get there, you know, and I get there and waiting. You know, it's a little bar. Just a little bar. And there's 15 people in there. So. So I'm sitting, I'm the only got the bar sitting there. Little bars, like four or five, six, tiny.

And all of a sudden, sits down. How are you doing? That's the last I heard for about half hour. Women after women coming up. Hi, Clayton, how you doing? Can I have an autograph? And he's doing it. He's just having a ball.

I'm drinking. I had a whole beer drinking. Finally, there's no girls left, right? And I look at him when to go, you must have had a ball in Hollywood all these years and it was one of these I screwed them all

good it's the greatest line I've ever heard it was so poignant he had to it was he had to gather it you know I don't doubt it all right I don't doubt it but he didn't use that word he used another word

he used another word right and it was yeah I'll never forget that it's all this stuff that hung around with Clint, that was the greatest line I've ever heard. I've ever heard. One guy or another guy sitting in a lonely bar by themselves. And I like that he took a sift. Yeah, he had to gather himself.

And it was just perfect Clint Eastwood. Dramatic pause. Breathy, breathy, like that. And I think that was to really accentuate the point. Long way from Clint, that dramatic pause reminded me of a Mark Brooks story. I might have told you about J.C. Sneat. I've ever told you that story? That's true.

You'll get a kick out of this. 1988, my rookie year on tour, J.C. Sneed was still out there. He still had a cult following. Similar, I guess, to some degree, to the McElgrady cult following. People would gather around him and ask him to hit shots. And J.C. Sneed, you know, there was Sam Snead's nephew, you know, and he could flat hit it. And Mark Brooks and I are down at the far end of a driving range in Atlanta, Atlanta Athletic Club,

I think it was, all the way at the end. hot as hell, down there hitting golf balls. And down there is J.C. Sneed, and behind him is like 10, 15 tour pros. And they're just, I mean, just absolute in full cult mode, okay? Just admiring and awing and owing with every shot he hits. And he would sit back, you know, he'd hit a shot and he'd turn around and ask somebody, what do you want to see? And so Brooks and I finished practicing, Mark Brooks is one of the, I think, smart guy.

Funny as hell. cynic, all that. And a surbic, you know, just caustic. I love it. And so he looks at me and he goes, let's go down here and settle in behind this shit show. And so we go in there and we sit back there and there's Davis Love, Billy and Andrade, Brad Faxon,

and, you know, scores of others. Dave, you know, everybody. And J.C. Snee's hitting a one iron. He's like, you know, Davis, what do you want to see? Davis's like, well, I want you to just hit that telephone and snap hook it, 80 yards and see if you can get hit that telephone pole, big snap hook. Billy, Andrew, what do you want to see?

I want you to see a big high slice, the opposite shot, boom, does it? And he's just nailing every one of these shots going through it, shot after shot after shot. And J.C. turns around, he sees marking it on the back, and he says, Brooksie, what do you want to see? And Brooksie's got a cigarette in his hand, and he just goes, I want to see you make a five-footer. That's perfect. It sounds totally perfect. And I mean,

pregnant paws. Everybody fell out. Everybody fell out. He was a little shaky. Everybody fell out. And that ended the J.C. Sneed-C. Calt range session. Oh, that would be a little bit of a dagger.

It was a bit of a dagger. I thought we were having a good time here. Right. I thought we were having a good time here. That's the only guy I've ever seen on the tour getting a fight, a fight. A fight. And we're sober on. A proper fight. A proper fight.

on the golf course? Fight. This is the funniest thing you've ever seen. We're all in the driving ride at Silverado. Okay? And we're on the back range, but somehow it's a rain delay, and everybody's got a, everybody's got to go. So remember the other driving range of the end down there?

Sure, of course. Okay. So JC is on the left-hand side, and we're hitting balls getting ready. And pretty soon you hear this, you son of a bitch, quit hitting it back here, screaming and yelling from the other side. Quit it! J.C.'s down here, he's hitting drivers into the other end of the range.

And Dave Hill but got killed down. Who's this tall? Yes. So now we all kind of were winding there. Scream at each other. That's 300 yards. They're screaming. Oh, you son of my bitch.

I'm going to kill you. Next thing I know, they start running each other on the driving rate, and they meet the middle. They had their goal like this. Right. They went to blow. And you got to watch Dave Hill because he's probably got a gun in his golf back, right? He always did.

You always did. You got to watch Dave, yeah. And they're just beating his shit out of each other. And we're all sitting there just watching this. And I turn to the guy and I go, you don't see this much on the Braves to me. Only time I've ever seen anybody go at it on the golf course. I almost got to fight on the ninth green of Memphis one year. Which golf course?

TPC, Memphis. Nice little. Now, I've been in exactly this many fights in my life. But the closest I've ever come to being in a fight. Water in the front. Good hole. Saturday. I've actually almost been in a couple of fights with Brando of all people.

Actually, this is so true. Yes, every time I'm with him, somehow we almost get to fights with him. That's so true. I don't understand. He doesn't look by it. He's not. I'm playing with Fulton Allen. Fulte?

First off in a twosome. On a Saturday morning. And Fulton on the first tee again, you know, it kind of matters to me where I finish in this event. And it doesn't matter to Fulte for some reason. 10-year exemption. He won the World Series. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter to me where I finish. So he gets up on the first tee. He goes, I don't care what we shoot today, you know, as long as we finished in two and a half hours or whatever it was. I was like, whatever, Fulte. And off we go, and the third hole he snap hooks it in the tree that double dog leg

par five. You know, as I'm, I drive it down there. I'm waiting for him. I get to my ball. He hits out. I'm hitting my second shot and he walks out in front of me, you know, back away you'd have to hit it two or three times as I'm hitting shots or putting, he's like right there, he's walking in my way and in my line he does it the whole front line and we get around to nine, the pins back right and I hit it just off the green and I got like a 20

foot chip and I'm just settled in getting ready to hit a chip and Fulte just walks right out behind the hole and I backed away and I go Fulte just let me fucking play. And you'd have thought I would have killed his dog or something. You know, he He looks at me.

He looks at me like with these daggers and he goes, you know, you know, I'll pay the your fucking head off. That's exactly what he said. What did you say? I'll pay the old fucking. And he starts coming at me. And I didn't know for it. He's a big guy.

He's a really big guy. And there was loads of stories about him. Randall's not going to win this fight. Right. Totally not going to win this fight. Nobody in Vegas has got. I'm fast. I'm fast, but I'm not going to win this fight.

But he starts. Running. Yeah. I could out running. He starts. walking towards me and he's and he is got blood in his eyes and and I'm thinking he's joking and then you know he's not joking and the next thing you know he's like 10 feet from me and I think well there's there's loads of people around the green and I think what the hell am I going to do here I'm like

I'm like I'm like well I've got a sandwich in my head and right about then I got as crazy as he got and I stopped and I pulled that wedge up and I go take one more step motherfucker take one more step. I go, you got nuts and kneecaps. I go take one more step. And Fulton Allen, he looks at me and he starts smiling and laughing. He goes, little man with fire. And so the rest of the time I drew. Drew, did it? Was it a 60 degree? It was a ping 54 degree. Oh, that'll catch you. That thing will catch you. And I had it in my hand. We debated on the show of if you had to choose one club as a weapon, which would be the best one.

The longest one. I want to get as far away as well as long as one. I don't know. I might go for the wedge. That one has got a lot to it. Yeah. I staved him off. But the rest of the time that I saw Fulton, every time I walk past him, no, every single

time. He tried to put his arm around me, the whole back nine. Oh, yeah, the whole back nine. But the rest of it, I mean, as long as he was. I knew him. Every time he walked by me, he'd go, little man with fire. That's too good. I could never heard that story. Good old days. Well, look, I appreciate this, guys. I want to keep you all night. Well, thanks for having us on.

Thank you. I'm, I love this guy. Oh, by the way, let me just give you this real quick. I love him on television. Let me just give you. There is a guy at the Golf Channel who's a producer. His name's Jeff Fabian. He's one of my favorite. You can't be showing pictures. I'm not showing pictures. I asked him

I said you got because nobody he's your biggest fan and he's really smart guy nobody knows golf better nobody I asked him I said a text to him

fabs how the hell are you wanted to reach out to you because nobody enjoyed McCorm more than you I'm doing a podcast with him in Riggs this afternoon anything that really tickles you

this is his response oh wow my God he was so good the most famous most famous thing that comes to mind was Sergio

from the tree Medina 99 he was good at making the mundane interesting on a slow day. He could point out little interesting details about the game and players and make it funny. John Madden is widely considered the best NFL analyst. He could make a blowout game interesting because he found the game interesting and could talk forever on details of the game. I thought McCord was the same with golf. He could entertain you if the tournament itself did not. And I've always thought that about games. I've always

write him a thank you. Yeah, I mean, I've always thought that about Gary. I think he's one of say something nice about you. How'd you turn that on me? Did you sell fast? He turned that on me? He's a little man with fire. Yes. I guess. Okay. Jeff? I guess. Baby. It's your biggest thing. God love him.

No, I, uh, I, look, I've been a big fan of both of you guys for a long time to get in the, in the same room to have been kind of hearing, listening, witnessing you guys cover and talk about golf for decades. It's a big part of the reason I got into it is people like you make it and interesting. So very, very cool for me to do it. this pleasure and congrats for what you're doing ago yeah you're doing a hell of a job we have a good time thank you boys that's that's the deal have a good time good to see you buddy good to see you all right as always thanks jents thank you guys thank you appreciate you randall thanks i'm gonna have another beer look at that to raise this yeah