Fore Play - George Gankas! ...And the boys and the WMPO

Episode Date: February 4, 2021

While Riggs is live from the Waste Management Phoenix Open, Frankie takes control of the ship and hosts the show navigating us through tons of topics. Riggs recaps his performance during the WMPO Pro-Am and talks us through how he raised 10k for the Barstool Fund. Then we talk about Rory’s comments about distance, the mysterious volunteer who stepped on his ball, and more. Then Riggs sat down with George Gankas (71:02) after George worked on his swing for an hour. George breaks down Riggs’ swing, he talks about his history as a golf instructor, his work with Matt Wolff, and plenty more!You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

Hey, 4Play listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Checking in live from the Waste Management, Phoenix Open, we've got a very interesting show. We've got George Gagas. I took a lesson with him on Tuesday. We got that lesson coming out on Friday, and we have him on this very show. Myself, I'm actually at the Waste Management during this podcast. So we had Frankie Take the Raines and run the show.

it's going to be very interesting, as you can imagine, so we let it rip. Let's go. We have Trent Daddy, Ben Severance, aka A.K.A. Lurch, and we have Riggs live from the waste management. He looks like he has a drink in hand. From my view, it looks like it's an Owens Mixer's Cocktail. And he is enjoying himself on the 16th Green in Scottsdale. Riggs, can you hear us? Are you able to communicate with us? And how's it going? Frankie, great job. That sounded good. I appreciate that. No, I'm good.

I'm good. So, you know, Frankie, I really wanted to throw it to you to let you kind of run the show with the ads and everything, because I am here. I just won $10,000 to the Barstville Fund by hitting it. Pretty good shot on the 16th hole. 19 feet.

I don't know a bunch of people. So I hit it to 19 feet. And there were probably 15 celebrities or so. So they do like this glory shot thing. I don't want to be too weird. glory hole which is a totally different realm but yes glory i don't want to like get people on the wrong trajectory here but uh i hit a good shot in there with a little nine iron from one 45 a little punch nine iron and then Alex o'loplin from golf channel who was a great player she hit one to like 15 feet and

ended up taking the i think it's 45 000 first prize and i ended up getting 10 k to the barstow fund for the uh for the second place prize so i'm pretty pretty excited about that but yeah i played playing the pro am today. It was fun. It was nerve-wracking. It was a little bit weird because it was the format was a shamble, which is where you just take the best drive and then everybody plays their own ball in from there. And you really learn that like if you just drove the ball like Dutson-Johnson, you could just shoot in the 60s and it's very easy. What was the overall experience? Like, were you nervous? I saw a couple videos out there. You ripped one off one. You bladed one on one. I saw you called the Frankieing.

There was a couple people following you that were tweeting out updates. I think I feel like we missed out a lot of like how you did for the second half of it. I feel like we got a lot of updates in the front. So I'm eager to hear how you did and finish throughout the whole thing. So our team, we, we should have won. I would say there's really no excuse for us not to have won because we had some sticks. We had our guy, Mark, who's from Knoxville, Tennessee. You probably hear this cart driving by right now.

There's got to be horrible audio. But our guy, Mark from Knoxville. Oh, okay, that's good. So John Deere, by the way, which is a nice company. Shout up, Trey. So our team, we had this guy Mark, who is played college golf. We have this other guy, Casey, who played, like, high-level golf, myself, who, like, I can scrape it around and hit some good wedge shots.

And this guy, Jim, who was getting a couple shots. So we were, in theory, a pretty damn good team. We ended up finishing 14 under and the winning score was 15 under, which is devastating. On 18, we had 89 yards in. One of our guys, Jim, was getting a stroke and we didn't make birdie. So that fucking hurt. But overall, it's a little bit of a bummer that it's not the normal year because playing in this program and Trent knows. Like Trent and I came out here three years or so ago.

We bought our own plane tickets. we just hope to God that we could get reimbursed. We got in line at like 5 a.m. Well, Trent got in line. I joined them like an hour later because I was super hungover. But we got in line and literally waited in line to get into this tournament at like 6 a.m. on a Saturday. And now the fact that they invite us here to play in the pro am is astronomically different than I ever would have thought it would have gone.

It's nerve-wracking, man. Like, anytime someone, people in. general are standing around watching you and are making judgments on your shots it's extremely nerve-wracking because none of us are good at this and you think about like when you roll up to a tea and there's a little bit of a weight on the tea and like there's a group behind you and a couple carts there's four eight people watching you're nervous and shit now imagine like on a few of these holes there's like 40 80 people around on the 16th hole there's thousands of people or hundreds or whatever it is today.

And it's pretty nerve-wracking. And you automatically, you very quickly realize that your biggest flaws in your game just seep in when you're nervous. Like we talked about on the show before, we talked about how do you deal with nerves? We asked Kisner. Kisner was like, there's no substitute for experience. And that's just true. Like if you're standing on a team, you have to pull a club back and then swing it at somewhere

around 100 miles an hour and have that golf ball. end up in a good place. That is a lot of fucking movement. And if you're super nervous, you don't have a lot of control over that movement. And you learn that just like if you're a nervous fucking person, you really are pretty fucked.

And that was pretty evident today. Luckily, it was a shambliss. It didn't matter that much. Did you come close to killing anybody at any point? Twice. So on the 10th, it was weird. This happens to me.

I can't fucking figure this out. But at the beginning of around, I get through it, right? You would think that, like, you're most nervous on the first tee. I hit a pretty good drive on the first tee, played well, whatever. Dude, when I got to, like, the 10th hole, I had had a couple blocks in a row where I was just hitting these super blocks. I'm talking, like, a block is like, oh, I'm missing the right rough.

I'm talking, these balls missed 80 yards right of where I was trying to hit them. And on the 10th tee, I'm actually looking at it right now. So right over there. That guy's like, whoo! that's like you guys see that guy also thinks like we're talking about him and you're

and you turn the camera to point like show the grass it's also it's like that moment in the Simpsons movie where they bring the dome they put it they put it over everybody and the president I believe like shows up on the side and he goes like citizens of Springfield and the guy goes

who Springfield my favorite one dude so you right here is a driving egg right and earlier today, like Rory was on that range. A bunch of guys are on that range hitting balls. And I, from that T back there, hit a super block that landed and was underneath a amateur player's golf bag on that driving area. Oh, my gosh.

Was there, was it like muttering going on being like, whose balls is this? Did you even walk over there? Did you leave the ball? Dude, I was trying. So they're like, I was trying to be hush, hush. I was like just, that could have been anybody's ball. Yeah, I don't know. And instead, people were, there's like these two fucking 11 year olds who I took a picture

with like, Riggs, Riggs, your balls over here. Riggs. And I was like, shut the fuck up. Like, what are you guys shooting? And then Harry Diamond, who's Rory's catty, is literally looking up at me on top of this hill from down there. He's looking up at me like, you're a problem, kid. And I, you know, and so at that point, like my ball doesn't say my name on it.

trying to just go that Taylor made it could be anybody black dot yeah they were made two black die it could be but and it turned out it was mine so I was trying to I was trying to get away with it but I they literally everyone in the range I mean look you're looking at the exact situation I'm on top of this hill everyone on that range just looked up yeah that's a problem yeah that's an issue you can't get away from that one I couldn't get away from it there's been multiple times in my life where I've hit shots onto other holes and it's just been me and the other group that's coming towards me. And I've still acted like that wasn't my ball that I've hit like either on their T box on the green. I've hit one once on the green from a T.

And it was, I was playing solo. And there's no other ball that could have came from anywhere unless it came from the sky. And I, everyone was like, is your ball over here? And I'm like, nope, I'm over here. Thanks, guys. No problem. I'm over here in the middle of the fairway. And I'm like, well, no, like, this is your ball. 100%. But no, you take that to the death. You take that all the way of the grave. I also had a top situation where I rolled on, so they do, you know, on Tor now, they do nine whole

pro end. So like in the front nine, you play with one pro and then on the back nine you play with different play. So we had Tyler Duncan on the front nine. Super nice guy, Purdue grad, his caddy, like they're incredibly nice. Not overly electric personalities, but they're super nice.

And then on the bag nine, we get Sung Kang. And we're standing on the tee and we hit our shots and then J.T. Posten and his caddy Fleener, who we've had on the show, they roll up to the tea, and they're like, yeah, we wanted to see what's going on here. So fucking, I get these guys, Poston and Fleeting. They're both videoing me on 10, and I hit the worst shot, again, that you've ever seen in your life. And I'm self-conscious.

I'm like, Jesus, I might have killed somebody in the range, like, whatever. And I look back, and Poston's just standing up there with this, like, the classic I'm filming you. look on his phone. I can't even see his face or his eyes. He's just all I could see his cell phone and him and his guy. So then I saw he posted on Instagram two seconds later. So it's like my worst my worst fucking swing of the day is not only almost killed Rory and his caddy, but like everyone's laughing at me. So, you know, that's kind of what you would expect, I guess. Yeah, it seems like it was an amateur, you know, an amateur side of the pro. I mean, then that's like what else would you rather have? Like you're not going to go out there and fire the lowest number on the course. That's not who

we are we're not rory mackerel we're not a fucking pro we're not on the pro side we're very much after the dash that's our crew correct we are we are the second the second part of the dash in pro dash am and that was very clear now i will say that i played really fucking well for that um i hit a lot of really good shots our team was good the fact that people shot 15 under in a shamble It was only, it was like the lowest one ball, so I get that. But 15 under is really good. We had a chance to get the 15 under. We ended up close some 14 under.

I don't think people really care that much about it. But overall, very fun experience. The waste management, you know, they try to do their best, right? Like this is a tournament that lives and breathes and has a soul that is based upon having the most fans in golf by a mile. Like they get 100,000 people a day, some days. get seven, eight hundred thousand people total throughout the whole week. And now coronavirus, it kind of like rips the whole identity of the tournament out from one

of their feet. And, and they're doing the best that they can. So I think there are a few hundred people on the 16th hole getting ushered out of here by the police, which I love the police. So I respect to the shit out of that. But, but, but, but, but yeah, they're doing the best that they can. It's a fun environment. Ultimately, the course is in, the course is in great.

shape and there's still a lot of nerves on 16 there's music it's a fucking shit show it's hard to hit shot especially when you're an amateur so um how did you how did you do on 16 the first go around your first attempt because obviously this contest was the second time right yeah so first time on 16 i uh i i i it was 1 45 which is between i mean out in the desert so it's actually this is actually an interesting fact so tyler duncan and sorry i uh Kang, we were talking to him. We were like, did the ball go farther in Arizona? And they said, yeah, they play about a three to five percent difference based on the elevation being in Arizona. So then that fucked with us because the whole rest of the day, I'm trying to calculate like

three to five percent of all my shots. And you know how we were in Australia. Like, we couldn't even do 10 percent, which is the easiest number you could imaginably do. But I had, it's 145 to the pin and I had a little nine iron and I tried to it was between a pitching wedge and a nine iron for me and I tried to just choke down a little nine iron and I kind of tow hooked it a little bit at the flag went right of the pin I hit it to about 30 feet two putted for par no big deal second time around in this glory shot thing so the way they do this is they've been doing it forever which is they get a bunch of celebrities terrius ruckers out there I chirped about losing of the four plate grew Did he leave again? Did he walk away halfway through you talking?

He was like, he's a competitor. That guy's a competitor. And he was not happy. And I like your little joke about him departing the match when he was clearly knew he was going to lose. But yeah, he did. I kind of, I was kind of like, so Colt knows who's great, who we've had on the show. He was chirping people and he was chirping. Everybody chirping Darius when he's on the tee. and then I threw in a little, you know, he's like five-time Grammy winner, you know, and then he started Rose Sullivan. Then I threw in like lost to the four-blade crew, and Darius kind of looked at me. And he gave a little bit of a smile, but also kind of like, fuck you kind of thing.

I mean, yeah, he, I don't think we'll ever talk to Darius Rucker ever. No. Which we got, you know, but we beat them and that's just the truth, but Darius Rucker may never speak to us again. I would say a lot of people would say that we never should. have talked to him in the first place. So I think we've got a win on one. Correct.

That's fair. So Michael Phelps was there. He had a terrible shop. Way right of the green. So there are a lot of people there. Oh, oh, Rob Riggle was there. Rob. Ooh.

Dude, Rob Riggle is one of the nicest guys ever met. So he came over to me to have me on the shoulder. It's like, Riggs. I was like, oh, what's up? And he's like, hey, I was right behind you guys at Greyhawk. He guys were filming that match. And I was like, dude, I'm so sorry. about that because we took forever remember that oh yeah and he's like no i honestly was like working

on a bunch of stuff it was cool to watch you guys do your whole thing and i was like man i i i i you should have come up and said hi and he's like you know i really considered it but i don't want to be that guy that comes off like hey look at me i'm a mr camera guy please put me on camera so i was just kind of chilling and i was like man dude i would have shit my pants if rob i mean i am here this is the first time I'm hearing about this that Rob Riggle was behind us. Like if I was just like getting up to my T shot and Rob Riggle walked up, I would have been I would have been flabbergasted. I remember somebody while we were playing.

I kind of remember somebody. Yeah, I remember somebody saying. Which place was Greyhaw? Was it when we played the girls? Yeah. Wow, he was behind us for that round. That is I saw two guys in the fairway waiting for us on every single hole. That was Rob Riggle?

Not only did we take forever that day, but it was raining and cold that whole day. So we probably, we could have got, you know, Rob Wrigal sick. Dude, I remember at one point saying these guys behind us fucking despise us. As they should. Took forever. We were on the seven hour round in the rain. In the rain, cold. We played the slowest round of golf all time.

That was Rob Riggle. So he came up to me and it's like, Reg, what's up? I was behind you guys at Greyhawk. You know, I love everything you guys are doing. And I was chat, we started talking about golf and like the golf swing. And he's a golf nut dude. He's like, he told me a very funny story. He goes, hey, I got the, I got like a little bit of tendonitis in like my four arc.

And I was like, oh, man, that's tough. And he goes, yeah, I can't really tell anybody about it. I was like, what do you mean? And he's like, well, it's because I've been playing so much golf. So, like, I literally can't tell my bosses or projects that I'm working on that I have arm trouble because the reason I have arm trouble is I'm not doing anything. I'm just playing golf all. And so he was like, he's a golf nut. He was super into it.

And he loves us. So we got to get him back on the show. But yeah, I mean, overall, look, it's what you would expect out of the waste management pro-am. It's a very fun time. It's nerve-wracking. There are fans chirping. 16's extremely intimidating. You walk through this fucking tunnel.

There's music jamming. They kind of, like, introduce you. They gave me a little bit of a ridiculous introduction. I don't know if you guys saw a video on Twitter. But, like, they gave me kind of a tiger at Eastlake, Bill, awkward, too long introduction, where it's like, say one or two things about a person, but they're kind of going on and on, and it was like, and then I just spray one right.

It's like, you did all that for this. So I didn't see the video, and no offense, but what accolades were they listing up? I was going to have the same thing. They were listing, like, very vague accolades. Like, they've really taken the golf world by storm. is one thing that they said. Another was that we're currently the 20th ranked sports podcast in the world.

You know, like all this. How is that ribbon like yellow, orange with a hint of red in it? That's a weird. There's 19 better podcast than them in the sports category. Really scraping the model. Yeah. We got nice thing about us. So yeah.

It's like, hey, they, he definitely does a golf podcast. He breathes air and then releases it. Their producer Jake just acquired some new podcasting equipment for them for when they travel on the road. That's pretty cool, though. I mean, I would be nervous as fuck standing up there. You don't want anyone saying your name like that. It's embarrassing.

It's like it's uneasy feeling, you know, because we are just a bunch of idiots. So when people try and act like we're a part of the real world, I always get an uneasy feeling. I can't imagine what it feels like standing up there. Like being announced, I'd be like, okay, dude, okay, shout up, shut your mouth, shut your mouth. Let me just hit the golf ball. Also, I don't know, there's no way this can't sound egotistical.

But like, generally one of the, one of the most true lines about golf and like average golfers is that if you're nervous on the tee, it's, it's, you shouldn't be because nobody cares where your shot goes. but I honestly feel like with us people are watching right like when when they did do my ridiculous introduction and they gave through the whole thing there was like a legitimate crowd that was like let's go rigs let's see it and I think that those people honestly are going to tell people where I hit it and they're going to like tweet about it and they care and they're going to be on their group text being like no I watch rigs play and x y and z is how it went so like

that is in my head of like dude if I was just a a normal person. I've been watching a lot of entourage lately. So there's a very funny line when Johnny Drama is like, he's like, baby bro, you can't have like a celebrity date and a civilian. So like the civilian line is very funny.

And in nowhere are we not civilian. But in this analogy, like if I was just an average civilian, nobody would give a fuck and I wouldn't care. And I would still be nervous, but it wouldn't matter as much, whatever. Now I know like if I spray one way right, there's guys immediately going.

to their phone that are like, dude, I watch rigs sucks. Like, you should keep tweeting at him. You should keep sending hate texts and tweets and Instagram DMs because he sucks. And I'm thinking about that in my brain as IT off. And it's very rattling. So like, so yeah, is it super fun playing in this event? Absolutely. Is it also like nerve-wracking and you're looking around like who's got their phone out?

Absolutely. And ultimately, I feel like I did pretty well. I feel like I played pretty well. Like our team was good. That helped. Shamble format helps. So yeah, it was fun. It was nerve-wracking.

It was kind of what you would expect it to be. Sounds like you think almost that your team let you down. Like you're saying that you played pretty darn well. No, no, no. Dude, our team was on. We finished one off the lead. Like our team was good. Our team didn't let me down at all.

We had our one guy, Mark. He shot 62. Hi, Mark. Wow. He shot 62. 62's that's insane that's good calls well it sounds like you had a

good fucking day out there rigs hopefully we'll all be able to experience that place I just want to go to the tournament one of these days I have never been out there it looks like a hell of a good time even during COVID times which is crazy that like they were able to at least pull off something like 16 still look pretty sick

like I saw a lot of videos of it that's unreal that you're able to play in that I mean you would say that it was a success know, like recapping it and finishing this? Yeah, so I'd say massive success. Like, you know, the Thunderbirds that run this thing, they're very famous for having run this tournament forever. And like they're, you know, they've run this tournament and pretty much every year,

they haven't had to worry about too much. It's like, hey, the waste management's massive. There's going to be hundreds of thousands of fans. It's going to make millions of dollars. They've raised for charity tens of millions of dollars. They've done an awesome job. And then all of a sudden when your event is based on like hundreds of thousands of people being in the same place at the same time, it creates challenges that you're not necessarily like prepared for or you weren't necessarily chosen to be the people that choose how to best handle that situation. And they've done an awesome job.

It's been a very fun event. Like I got tested this morning. I sent you guys the result. But like they've been testing the shit out of people. They're doing everything that they can to, like, keep people separate. We've all talked a lot about how golf is among all the activities and all the things that we're able to do now. Golf is one of the safest. Like, you're outside.

You pretty much are far away from each other the whole time. So they've tried to embrace that while not being irresponsible. And I think they've done a really good job. It was very fun today. Everyone, again, was, like, tested that was inside the bubble. Those that weren't were kept outside the ropes, which was weird. right like it's weird to go up to people that are like you know hey guys i can listen to for play love you guys can we take a picture you're like yeah i'll take a picture but like i'm an inside the ropes guy and you're

an outside the ropes guy like that is not the crux of what we do so that that that like there's awkward weird fucking shit that you got to handle but that's just the nature of the beast that's kind of what we're dealing with and um everyone that came out today was cool as shit there were stooleys everywhere like i had sung can't him over to me after like three holes and he's like so what do you you do? Like, what is going on here? Because the stewies were dominating, dominating the crowd engagement. Like, they were going fucking nuts. And they were just all over the place at a place where there really weren't that many people around. So it stood out. So, so, yeah, our fans were awesome. Like, everybody listens to the show, the guy that, like,

handled our cart and, like, all of our little bullshit. Andy was, like, a huge listener and, like, knew all the bullshit about the show. So on that level, it was very, very cool. And yeah, it's the waste management. We all kind of know about that, trying to do the waste management during a pandemic. It's tricky as shit. But I thought it went really well.

Well, as Rory McRoy says, and to quote him, the pandemic has been great for golf. I don't know if you saw Rory's tweets his talk today, a little weird. He had a very interesting day. I think we should probably get into that. We'll get into that for a little bit. But first, I want to talk about another massive success

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Brilliant, brother. Rory McElroy today was talking about, so the RNA and the USDA. Let's start with the farmer's reveal that he found out about. Oh. I actually had the quote pulled up. I got a couple of Rory McElroy. Take it away, Trent, Daddy.

Take it away. Yeah, yeah. No, there's two things that Roy, he had a, like, a rip-roaring day in front of the media. He said he woke up, like, with a mood. Right. And he just kind of let it rip, which is great because, as we've talked about endlessly on their show, Roy McElroy is one of the best interviews in golf, maybe in sports. So when he's ready to let it rip, you know you're going to get good stuff.

In terms of him, you know, everything that happened at the farmer's insurance with Patrick Reed and then Rory on 18, obviously a lot of. controversy there. And then Rory said today, this is a quote, he said an email was sent to the tour on Monday saying my ball was stepped on to be found, but the volunteer didn't tell me that on Saturday. So that's why I took embedded ball relief because it wasn't embedded ball, but I didn't know it had been stepped on at the time. So obviously the video came out on Sunday with my ball bouncing and then going in. And at that point, I'm like, well, it must have went in on its own pitchmark or something because the ball was obviously plugged. So it turns out somebody stepped on Rory's ball. That's why it was embedded when it got there. Obviously, it ran parallel to what happened to Patrick Reed, where the ball bounced. He didn't know that it bounced, but when he got up there, the rules or the volunteer didn't know, like, what had really happened if it had bounced or not. And he said that Patrick Reed said that it was embedded, which people are a little sketched out about. But Rory, it sounds like his ball may have actually been embedded after a bounce on 18 because somebody stepped on. So the difference,

and the main difference that comes in here, and we talked about in the last show at length. There's a three-hour show hopefully everyone that's listening has recovered from that. The big difference is this, this person and this volunteer felt so bad about Rory getting mixed in with Patrick Reed that he actually, or she came forward and said this saying, I couldn't live with myself essentially, not saying anything to Rory.

So the volunteer made the mistake by just not speaking up at first. Like I guess they were just super nervous. You're a volunteer. You just set them Rory McElroy's ball. You see him. Imagine being that volunteer watching Rory then. pick at the ball and like bring over a rules official and you're just this volunteer during COVID times where you really can't hide at all.

It's just you, Rory, the rules official and you're at a professional golf tournament. You just stepped on a ball and like you're just trying to get out of there. So I do feel for the volunteer in that situation, I think I would do the same. You just shut up and walk away. The problem is if your conscience comes into play, you feel guilty the next night, Rory is getting swept into all this nonsense that Patrick Reed has drummed up. And he feels so bad for Rory that he comes forward. Now, if that was Patrick Reed, there's no chance that volunteer's coming forward.

A volunteer may have stepped on Patrick Reed's ball when the camera wasn't on. And we'll never know that because Rory is the golden child. People will always step forward and help Rory McElroy, the rich gate richer. Rory Macaroy is always going to have those people on his side that's always going to come. I don't even know if this guy stepped on his ball. I think this could just be like, let's clean up Rory's act and let's help him out a little bit. I like you. We don't know.

Thank you. Like we don't even know if that's the real truth. Like, like how do we know that this random volunteer just like out of nowhere is like, oh yeah, the reason that happened is because I randomly stepped on his ball yesterday. I'm with you on that. That's the first place my brain went to.

It's like it feels in separation. Yeah, I agree with you. Also, imagine if it was, imagine if it was for Patrick Reed. Imagine if Patrick Reed's story came out that the PGA tour has discovered of an official that step.

a volunteer that stepped on Are you fucking kidding me? The golf woke fucking losers would be losing their mind over how the tour has now put an actor in place to protect Patrick Reed and this comes out for Rory. Does anybody doubt Rory?

No. Do I think Rory has ever cheated? No, never. But if this happened for Patrick Reed, the golf world would lose its fucking mind. Everyone has their own stories already made up about both of these guys. And this is something that just

solidifies the difference between public perception of both players. We will do anything and anything to save Rory McElroy, and we will do anything and everything to ridicule and destroy Patrick Rue. Those are two facts. Those are facts, but I do love the idea of them, the PJs who are having a meeting

the following days after the farmers, and they've been like, all right, who's going to take the fall? Who's stepping on that ball? Who's taken the fall for Rory? I don't know. I have the article pulled up somewhere. I don't know if they named the person.

It might just be a, nameless, faceless volunteer who will never hear from again. But they were like, who's taking the fall. It's not roaring. Hey, it ain't roaring who's taking this fall. It's one of you volunteers. There's like a massive movie that I'm like, like someone like got brought in.

Or maybe a succession. Is a succession where they, they basically tell someone that they have to like be the person. Yeah, succession. Succession. Like that's just someone got brought in. Yeah, it's the son. Someone got brought in and they just got told bad information being like,

hey man i know that this is just what's about to happen here but like you didn't do anything wrong we're going to put out this report here and there's really nothing you can do about it you stepped on this ball on saturday the blah blah blah blah blah blah this is what you're going to say and we're just going to go ahead because rory mackeroys our guy also how about speaking of patrick how about the balls on that entire camp to have the lawyers release a statement that says whoa our camp has nothing to do with at use golf acts i don't know where you got this crazy the idea that the people behind the Patrick Reed account are also behind the used golf facts, but you guys are living in La La Land.

I mean, obviously, when they clearly tweeted from the Patrick Reed account and the used golf acts, the tweets are exactly the same. But they, they give such little fucks that they will be like, no, no, we're still going to put out a statement and say that we have no affiliation with that Twitter account when all the evidence says that they 100% do. So they actually mentioned that to Rory. And Rory had a funny answer where he's like, yeah, you know, like, I just don't think that's that's that's Patrick Reed i just think it's someone affiliated with his family or in his

family aka that's just his wife so like he was very funny the way he danced around that but i mean it's it's a very hilarious situation in which someone has to ask rory hey did you see this tweet from patrick read in all caps screaming that you did the same thing the night before and he's just like you know i know that's not patrick it's uh unfortunate but somebody it's some unknown person that we're not sure of who it is i also love that a came from his lawyer. Like, are you kidding me? Like, it's like, the lawyer is like flat out line. I mean, this is ridiculous. Well, they love that. They love to go behind the lawyers, like when they sent a cease and assist of Brandel-chambly. And they're like, hey,

I said, talking about our guy like that. I mean, they're amazing. They really are amazing. They're the best. They're the best. They're like the Circy Lannister of golf. Like, it's just endless, endless intrigue and content. And the fact that they don't speak directly about it, especially because like, you know, like Patrick Reed is actually a person who can speak. Like when he's actually on camera, when you hear him do interviews and such like, he's a personal guy. Like when we talk to him at fucking wink, but like he's personal. He can speak for himself.

The fact that they just send cease and desist letters to like Brando Sam Lee, because on golf channel he called Reed a cheater. Like that's amazing. And that adds such an compelling element to the whole thing. it's like it's not like Patrick Reed isn't a person who's cheating he's actually an entity who would like to take you to court sir about your claim that he has violated the law and it's like no we're talking about a fucking golfer on a golf course and the whole thing again like i don't want to go back and dig too deep into the reed but like the reed family and what they deliver for the golf world i am very thankful for i thank god every day the golf gods for the reeds they are amazing and now they're in saudi fucking Arabia. But yeah, the, the Rory stuff. We got the distance stuff. I don't know how deep. Like, we're not huge. I don't give a fuck about the distance thing. I've come, no. We've debated it. Oh, we've debated it on this show a little bit. But like at the end of the day, you get these fucking nerds who are like, oh, my God, these guys web sims that are Justin Thomas are just saying what they're saying because the equipment companies sponsor them. Do you know how capitalism works? Do you know how the world works? Of course they're a like, yes, they. They. are sponsored by, as are we,

Terramid athletes, they're sponsored by equipment companies that have spent billions of dollars over years, decades on research, development, that have created all these awesome things. It's not beneficial to those companies to change the rules and dial back the equipment. And also, the people that you're bitching about,

like Justin Thomas, Webb Simpson, those guys are what, top 10, top 15 players in the world who have had a ton of success for the last couple of years? You think those guys want everyone to go change the rule? They don't know what the outcome is going to be. They don't know that if you go and drastically change the way the ball flies or the way the equipment goes, they don't know that they're still going to be making, what, $2, $5, $10 million a year and being super successful guys.

They're going to tournaments every day. Like, you think they want the rules of golf to change in terms of distance? Fuck, no, they don't. So to only pin it on them that they're just reading, like, other equipment companies talking points is such a cop-out and is such, such a diversion from actually confronting the fact that other people don't believe and feel the same way that you feel. Like if you're super against distance, they think that other people that are not against distance and current distance advantages in golf are only that way because they're paid by somebody

and not that way because they just genuinely feel that way. And that is such a conceited way to look at it. It drives me fucking nuts. I do. Let me read this quote because it is, it is like about as outlandish and aggressive as Rory McElroy will be to the media, I would imagine. Well, I think it's worth putting in the audio because I think people should hear the inflection of his voice. I feel like we never do that.

And people always when I listen back to the show sometimes when we read quotes, like I just don't listen to like the Paloma. Let's toss in Rory McElroy's audio because I think it's super important to hear one of the best players in the world, tee off on the RNA and the USGA and this research committee and these people that's spent a million dollars to do research. The way that they speak about this thing, it's like when you're in school and you got to do citations and all this bullshit and like go into the library

and talk to that fucking lady who has no business having a job of, like abiding by the books. I'm not trying to hate on librarians here, but like, you just win at librarians for, you know what? I think you'd be anti-librarians. You know what? And that's sarcastic because you know I don't read. There's this, this is, this is in,

this is just boiling in my body because our town, my town is spending $18 million of taxpayer money to redo a library in a town where we have four high schools and middle schools and people are already going to libraries within the schools and no one actually uses this fucking library. I think it's a scam. I think it's fucking bullshit. Whoever's constructing that library is clearly reaping the benefits. I think the whole thing is completely corrupt and bullshit. So libraries are on my shit list. I do apologize for librarians taking a massive massive ricochet shot there. I will take that back because I know very nice men. than women. All right, here's Roy McElroy. The announcement about the USDA and the RNA yesterday, they gave the impression that this needs to happen in examining equipment standards and possibly rolling them back.

Does it? It certainly doesn't need to happen. And I think, I said this in there. So I feel the RNA and the USGA are looking at golf through a tiny, narrow little lens that pertains to 0.1% of golfers. Yes, of course the ball goes a long way with top-level professionals and top-level amateurs and the guys that sort of make their living playing this game.

But 99.9% of golfers don't do that. And they don't want the ball to go shorter. They need help getting the ball in the air for going further. I mean, golf has had an unbelievable boom in 2020. I mean, this pandemic has been so good for golf. And the fact that they're looking at the wrong thing, they spent millions of dollars doing this distance insights report, which I think is it's not going to change the game at all.

They might put new regulations on manufacturers. Manufacturers are going to find a way to get around them. That's just how good they are. So those millions of dollars that were spent in the distance insights report should have been put back into the grassroots of the game because golf is experiencing a boom. So we need more younger people in the game. and we need more minorities in the game.

That is, that's how we keep the game going for the next hundred years, not by looking at the ball and looking at the driver. And that's my whole thing with it. I think it, I'm probably going to get in trouble for tennis. It wreaks of self-importance. And that sort of, that's not, yes, they're the gatekeepers of the game. But their job is to, yes, make sure that the game thrives in a hundred years' time. And this is not the way to do it.

The way to do it is by getting more people into the game by making it more, by making golf more approachable. And if you're just piling them piling rules on the people the entire time, that doesn't make it approachable. Yeah, so Rory said he woke up in like a sort of a mood today and it really does like come through in that audio. Yes. You know, he said the line that we all always repeat and we say 99.99.999% of golfers

do not apply to these research theories and these and all these things. things that the USGA and RNA are trying to conduct. It's a bunch of guys who are trying to make their job important, to be honest, and they really have no effect on what's happening in the real life of golf. He makes this statement, and he says this one quote, that the pandemic has been great for the game of golf, and we should be growing it. That's a weird thing to say, but I understand where he's coming from.

Like, you know, every guy that I've talked to when we're doing behind the greens, they're like, dude, these maintenance staffs are like, we can't handle the amount of grass that's been taken up and all the people that have been using, like, all their divvets into the greens and all their ballmarks and stuff. Like golf has has increased 20, 30, sometimes 100% year over year. I mean, it's crazy how much golf has increased.

Now, the restaurants and all that side has gone a lot down. Like, there's no weddings at these clubs and all that stuff. But the golf has ramped up so much during the pandemic. It's actually almost like they can't handle it at these clubs and public courses. So Rory has a really good point that you're supposed to take this moment. Right now, golf nerds are in a. USGA, not saying our friend Craig and our friends with the USGA are nerds, but there are

some nerds at the USGA, that's a fact. And they are taking all this time, resource, and money to change the game conforming clubs. Now you're bringing in Taylor Made and all these people that are just, and what he says, they're just going to learn how to fucking go around your conforming rules anyway, and they're going to learn how to make those clubs and balls go as far

as fucking possible. So it's a waste of time. And second of all, we don't care about the balls going short or we want them to go longer. make those balls fly. I mean, you think my dad who's using fucking fake golf clubs and he wants to buy that thing with a button that shoots the ball 300 yards, you think he wants to use a conforming golf ball out there

when he shoots 112 at Eisenhower Blue? He's trying to enjoy the game. Give him a super ball. Let him feel for once in his life what it feels like to get a ball in the air like he watches on Sunday on TV. Don't fucking sit here and tell me that we need to bring the balls back.

Don't talk to me about some environmental bullshit because these golf courses use so much money watering. Look at every single course in Arizona. They're taking water from all over the fucking place. They're making these things green. We're too far gone for the environmentalist. This is just about making fucking golf fun and just, like, grow the game.

And Rory McElroy nails it. He absolutely fucking nails it. I feel like I'm going crazy today because I'm the quote unquote host. So you guys take this away because I'm losing my fucking breath. As a host, you just talk the whole time. As a host, you know, I'm just. You don't give it to anybody. You just thought.

I'm trying to give it to you guys. This is my first time doing it. Go ahead. You can do a good job, break. I honestly, I think you're fired up to that. I actually, I would argue that making you host a little bit reels you in and makes you a little bit more concise, which is good, because you do feel that urge that you have to throw it to somebody. Look, as someone that has, I would say, of anyone on the show, I've probably been and represented the case of like reel back the distance guy. more than anyone.

And that's not to say that I'm on that side because I don't know. I don't, I'm somewhere in between. And if you would, again, be like deep in golf Twitter, woke Twitter, woke golf, whatever fuck you want to call it. People hate the current distance. And they think that the only way to save golf and the future of golf is to dramatically roll back the golf ball, roll back the equipment. And ultimately, you can save all these iconic golf courses.

our guy, Brando Chambly, is very hilariously the heel in all of this. And he like, he goes hard on like, hey, this affects 0.000, 0,000, 1% of all golfers in the world. So how about you just keep everything the way it fucking is for every golfer in the world? And for the handful or for the 20 or 30 courses that you play a year for the PGA tour guys that are the fucking top of, top of the top of the top of the top of the top of the top. do your distance thing and grow up the rough narrow the fairways and you'll be totally fine everybody can chill out i'm i'm somewhere in between that because i like old courses i think they're cool we talked about lito and what sand valley's doing in wisconsin with lido and like you want these old courses you want national golf links to be like relevant but it's only 65 or 6600 yards from the tips

so like it can't really be but it wouldn't be anyway so it's tough it's a little bit of a tricky spot. Ultimately, I'm, if I had to gun to my head, step on one side of the other, stand behind and stand in one team or the other, I'm standing in Frankie's team and what he's described so far, which is like,

dude, I don't give a fuck. I'm trying to hit the ball as far as I can't. I got this new Sim 2. I got the TP5. I got the tour response and I'm hitting the thing a mile and it makes golf so much more fun. I get to post a scorecard where I feel egotistically positive,

about myself. I posted a 75 from the tips from 70. So suck my dick, you losers. I can play good golf now. Is that because of equipment or technology or because I know how to shape it? I don't care. I just posted a good score and it felt great. It was very fun and the bottom line is if you

can make golf more fun and inclusive, that's good for everybody. That's what Rory was reiterating. That's what JT's been reiterating. That's what Webb Simpson was reiterating. Who, by the way, hits the ball way shorter than those other guys. He uses hybrids, we all laugh at him, by as hybrids, he's a big proponent of the fact that, like, no, don't change the distance.

Like, the distance is fine. I'm doing well. I want a U.S. Open. I'm top 10 or 15 of the world, whatever he is right now. I want a player's championship. Like, he's not worried about it. So at the end of the day, I'm on the side of maybe by verification, like, have different sets for pros and for, and for amateurs, fine, but don't change the way we're playing the game.

Like, I really don't care. And ultimately, I don't know that they have to change. I think it's fine. I think that what Brandel has said, what I watched at Tori Pines, by the way, which is a great example of what the distance, the anti-distance people hate,

which is like Tori Pines, it was great. It was gorgeous. They had narrow fairways, high rough. It was just tough. And there were what, one player finished double digits under par? You know how fucking good those guys are? You know how hard a golf course has to be

for one player to finish double digits under par? That's a great golf. course that delivered a fascinating weekend of golf. So for me, like, I'm a little bit leaning now back towards what Rory and them are saying, which is like chill out on the distance stuff. It's not ruining the game of golf. In fact, golf's way up. It's way more fun.

I'm playing with these goddamn terror made stuff. If you change that shit, I'll murder you. If you come from my SIM too, I'll fucking slit your throat. Like, that thing brings me more excitement in my life than anything else. So I'm with Rory right now. Lurch, you got 30 seconds. 30 seconds, yeah. Well, I was going to say, you're, you got a, you got to call it.

I got to call it eight. Who has calls at eight in the real world? That's, that's a late. What do you mean eight? Dude, it's crazy. It's a West Coast company. So it's like the mornings are a little bit slower, but then like it's just, I work. We're using your 30 seconds.

Sorry. Have you ever told anyone ever grow up? Do you ever respond just grow up when they ask you to have an eight o'clock time? How does that work in the real world? Like, if you ever, have you ever gotten nasty or snarky? with them? No, my thing on it is like, you know, if it's an internal call, like you can find hours in the day that we both work. But if it's, if it's external, fine. And then if it's urgent, fine. So whatever. It's just like your world. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Talk about conforming clubs and balls.

No, no, no. So, Frankie, I was again, like, I was on your side about like go with one golf ball, forget this rollback. But now I am more on the side. Like, and I know you hate this. You've been down this rabbit hole a ton where we have different golf balls potentially for the pros. Selfishly, I want it that way because it would be really cool to see old courses come back and have pros play these courses with old golf balls just because on tour we see a lot of the same courses over and over again. You do get the hardo that says like they're playing with this ball and you're not. So it's like you buddy get lost. Like I don't care about you. But I want to interrupt you. You know what? Actually it just in my head that like I got a job out. So I'm going to listen. No, but like fine. Like,

expose those people. Like, I actually like that. Like, if you're going to be that asshole, let's do that. Come on. I'm going to run, but I agree. It's almost like tricking. It's almost like tricking the morons into being morons. Like, you're out there using fucking shitty balls.

Like, who the hell is this guy? You're using fucking rolled back conforming balls, you loser. Like, that's the ultimate I got you a moment ever on the golf course. So sure, let's do it. it would be kind of cool. Lurch brought up an interesting point where they use a rollback ball and they go and play like an old course that's usually too short that is too short for the PJ tour like if you did that like that'd be like a nice novelty thing like oh they're going to play this course and they you know they don't usually play it but we've got these rolled back balls so they can't you know like the place on fire that just sucks with like stats and comparing errors because you have guys that have played in all these eras and you know Tiger Woods like you're just going to all of a sudden give a 40 something year old Tiger. Woods, a conforming golf ball that makes him hit it shorter. And it's just at the end of his career, he's played through all these times and all these different variations of the PGA Tour.

To me, that seems very stupid. I think whoever gets to a point where they actually are changing the game, and we said this a million times, if you can hit the ball 400 yards, you deserve to just be the best. That's not, there's no reason why we should change the game because guys are just hitting the ball further. They've learned how to just adapt. I mean, you wouldn't do this in any other sport. like Alexander Ovechkin scores from the same spot on the hockey rink every single time on the on the on that one time or slap shot from the dot like do you all of a sudden just roll back like the jumpiness of the hockey puck because Alexander Ovechkin just keeps scoring goals for his entire life the guy keeps getting 30 40 it's just you don't change the game because guys figure stuff out so I don't know it baseball is doing the opposite they're secretly juicing baseball so that people who watch their fucking sports learn a thing or two golf but I do get the other.

side where you want to bring in these fucking golf courses. That side doesn't really get me hard. The other side that gets me hard is balls bouncing to the moon. So I am, I'm, I don't know. I just, I'm firmly on the side of just leave it and let it run its course. Yeah. I'm with you. Like I get that it's tough.

I think that like, it's very, uh, impressive of us to admit that like, we can see a little bit of both sides. But ultimately, I am on the side of like, dude, this, like, what I don't feel like, like less of a person because I have this awesome golf club that dozens of engineers, including like 10 sound engineers, worked their dicks off. And that is based upon decades of research that then collides with a golf ball that is also based on decades of research and dozens of engineers. And that because all these people have worked together and we are now at a further more evolved

more technological state as a human species that my golf ball goes farther and straighter, I do not when I stand on the tea feel like less of a man when I roast one down the middle with a little pipe draw. I don't feel less at all. In fact, I feel fucking awesome. I look around like, did you see that? Did you all those videos that you dickheads took of me hitting bad shots? Did you also take that cool video of me hitting a good shot?

Because no part of me feels less. I don't feel like, oh, technology allowed me to do that. Otherwise, I couldn't do it. No, I feel like the man. I feel awesome. I'm having a great time. I'm more likely to then look at my tea time app, spring golf, whatever it is. Book another tea time.

I'm more likely to go grab more Taylor-made clubs. I'm more likely to get more invested in the game because this is fun. Hitting the ball far and straight and shooting lower scores is fun. It's better for the game. It's better for me as a human being. And that overall will dominate this conversation in my opinion. And the very few people, what, a couple, hundred people on fucking earth.

There's seven, eight billion people on this goddamn rock that's going around the sun. And because a couple hundred of them, which by the way, out of those couple hundred, what are we talking about? 20 or 30 of them now are hitting it too far that people are losing their minds. That's going to change the entire rules of the game. That's crazy town. So I am more on that side now. I think that's fucking nuts.

You have a premium driver and the Taylor Made golf club. You know what else has a problem? premium driver, Bose sport earbuds. They have acoustic ports and premium drivers that make your music sound clear, balance, whether you listen loud or soft. Tell me something about that trend. Do you want premium drivers both in your golf bag and in your ears? I do.

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in that like colorful room and he's bopping his head to the music. Have you ever felt that cool in your entire life? Absolutely not. But I know I can try to get there with Bose. Dude. And something about just we talked about this last week, but the word premium and class, you think of that with certain companies. There's like these upper echelon companies within all different parts of our lives.

And Bose seems to own that in, in sound. They've dominated the sound game so much that you actually feel like they use the word lifelike audio. And that really doesn't make any sense because we are living in life. But it does make sense, right? Because sometimes when you listen in shitty headphones and just like things that you get on the airplane, you ever see those air, there's earbuds that they give you on the airplane. Oh yeah. Sometimes I'll be in an airport.

I'll realize that I forgot my headphones. You get to buy the cheap ones at a Hudson News. You're like, oh, this should be similar. and then you put them in and you're like, I can't hear anything. Dude, when you put on these Bose sport earbuds, it does feel lifelike audio compared to that. It sounds like you're listening to an artificial, changed version of the world music.

Like, if you're about to listen to a new album and you're not going to listen through the best channel that you could possibly listen through, if you're going to listen with these shitty headphones or you're going to go get the Bose Sport earbuds, I have the food fighters coming out at midnight on Thursday night. Medicine at midnight. I knew that's where you were.

And if you don't think I'm sitting in my bed, because it's all about the first time you hear music, Trent. That's like the biggest moment when you're driving in a car. New song comes on. It's just like everything just resonates with you differently. And if you don't have the correct sound going through your earlobes and into your brain, you're not going to understand or you're not going to enjoy that as much as you should. So I'm going to be using my Bose sport earbuds. They're super comfortable. And the touch controls are easy to use.

The acoustic ports. the premium drivers make your music sound clear, balance, whether you listen to loud or soft. They're also great for any phone calls you need to make if you're lurchy loose picks and you're making phone calls at 8 o'clock selling drones. Don't say that. He's not here. You don't have to say lurchy loose-pick. You can use your Bose sport earbuds. You know, Patrick Mahomes is the guy who wears them. He's in the Super Bowl this week. Do you have a prediction, by the way, for the Super Bowl, both of you guys? Are you guys seeing this fucking sunset? It's an unbelievable sunset.

That is nice. Holy shit. What do you thinking for this? What do you thinking for this Super Bowl with Patrick Mahomes in it? I'll be honest. I'm about as torn as I've ever been over a Super Bowl because I do think, like, I'm a big Tom Brady believer, even though I'm a St. Louis guy. Like, they beat the Rams early on back when I used to be a Rams fan.

So I hated Brady for a while. But I do think Tom Brady is just so unbelievably impressive as a human being and as an athlete that it's hard for me ever to, like, pick against him. Having said that, like, my homes and the chiefs are sick. So I think it's going to be a really good game. I think the line's pretty accurate. What is it like? Last time I saw it was like three and a half or something like that.

Yeah, I think the Varsal Sportsbook had it out of that. Marshall Sportsbook had it three and a half. So, yeah, I think that that's pretty, I think that the chiefs are going to win by low single digits. I think by three, five, something like that, I think the chiefs pull it out. Trent? Trent. I'm just going to take Brady until he's out of the.

the league until Brady is no longer in an NFL locker room playing quarterback I'm going to take Brady obviously Mahomes and the chiefs are sick they they you know they won the Super Bowl last year but you got Tom Brady is a whole different monster expertise he's just been in a million of these Mahomes has obviously been in a couple now but it's Tom Brady it's Tom Brady it's Tom Brady until he's out of the league yeah I think it's going to come down to the end I think it's hard to pick one or the other I think Mahomes has become a just juggernaut in this league and Tom Brady is just a guy you can't bet against until he just loses, right? Like he just refuses to lose.

It's going to be really hard. But, you know, Patrick Mahomes being a Bose athlete, rocking his Bose sport earbuds, I think I'm going to give him the edge in this one. It's going to be a clash of the Titans. I cannot wait to watch this game. It's going to be a great one. You can be like Patrick Mahomes,

who's doing pretty damn well these days, rocking his Bose sport earbuds. You can go to Bose.com slash barstool to buy your own Bose sport earbuds. Maybe one day you will be in the Super Bowl facing Tom Brady probably not because if you haven't got to that point yet he only has a couple years you probably missed a window but you can still listen you can listen to some elite music he might say can i say something frankie go ahead say something uh i want to commend you i think

you've been um yourself on this show i think you've been a more positive upbeat to real frankie uh this entire show it has been very nice to see i appreciate those kind words you know It's just you're out on the field. You know, Lurch was only here for a couple minutes. Everything's really, it's just a different vibe today. So I do like what's going on. I went and got, I have Moes waiting outside my door, which is getting, it's getting very cold.

So I do need to go get that at some points. I've been thinking about that. I'm hungry. We got surviving bar stool coming out. I want to watch that. I'm just in a good move. That fucking move that those people made telling Tom is what they voted for. The biggest idiots in the world.

I love Brianna chicken fry. What a bunch of my! I love Kelly Keex. I think Breanna and Kiley Kigs have become superstars in this show. I think they're both really, really good on camera. I think they're very funny. I've been watching this as if it is a reality TV show. It's one of the best things we've ever put out.

What they did. And Donnie saw right through it. It's unbelievable that they let him know. Now, I haven't watched this newest episode, so we could be eating crow, as people say. But apparently they had a whole thing together. Maybe like Tommy told them that they were going to be doing that because maybe they wanted him to save his idol

because then he can carry someone else to the finals with the idol. It's a really good show for anyone that doesn't realize what we're talking about, surviving Barstool. When this episode comes out, you will be able to watch the live version, right? It's episode four. It's live, right? Oh, yeah.

So the fourth air tonight, which I'm in, by the way, so you can go see my pretty face in this episode. But then, yeah, they're doing a live finale Thursday night to pick the winner. So nobody knows of the winner. $10,000 on the line. It's really good show. There's a lot of drama, a lot of tears, anger, fuck you, hos.

It's really good. I was very sad when they voted Zah off. Zah is just the most beloved character and person at Barstool. And when they voted him off, like, I totally understood it. I think you probably have to. And the whole dynamic of like when you're the last person left, you're going to get dominated by somebody like Zah, so you've got to make sure somebody like that's not left.

Zah honestly was like the victim of being too well-liked, which sucks. He's the most likable person in the world. I like people say that about Trent. There's just certain people that, and you don't, I mean, you don't have to get old mushy, gushy. I said that, but you are likeable. They don't say that about me. No, not me.

I mean, they hate me. I'm speaking of hating me, people, we've released that trailer. And actually, the golf course is now live. Butter's Bay is officially open on PGA Tour 2K21. Shout out Crazy Kinnuck, who helped me as my, as my co. We're basically, we are, oh my God, why am I blanking on? Co-Architects? We're core-crenshaw, basically.

Wow. Yeah, we're core-crenshaw of, well, co-architect and core cruncheraw was getting in my head so much that I almost called it like co-crenshaw. But we are attacking the world, the virtual world. You know, I have the brains, he has the fingers. So it's been really good process. and it is live. But I made this video and I tried to do Tom Rinaldi and get really, really dramatic about a virtual video game golf course.

And people are like, this, this narration is ridiculous. You guys should have gotten like the real Tom Rinaldi. It's like, dude, the joke is that it's supposed to be the worst narration of all time. I did it on FaceTime with Trent and eBug. Like we just tried to make it sound as ridiculous as possible. So a lot of people hated that. But I do think people are enjoying the golf course. course. A major is going to be live tonight when this podcast releases. It's going to be called

the buttercup. It's going to be called the buttercup. It's a great name. It's what Aiman Lynch actually calls me, which is pretty funny. He goes, where's that beautiful little buttercup? I can't shake that nickname. It's a nickname that you really can't. Once someone calls you buttercup. Where is you that none of us came up with that and Aiman had to be the first one to go up? It's so fucking water. It's over. You are now, it's like the one time we went to Dave Matthews at MSG and someone called me Pizza Boy. That was, there's no shaking that either. Your pizza boy, your buttercup.

When Aiman comes up to us in his sniveling little fucking Irish way, taps us on the shoulder and goes, where's that little buttercup? Where's that little fucking buttercup? Like the way he says it in his accent, unbelievable. So shout out to him. Shout out to Butter's Bay.

Shout out to Crazy Canuck. Go check him out on his YouTube. Go check us out on our YouTube. And then what's coming up right after this in a couple of minutes is George Gankis is going to be on this podcast with Riggs. You interviewed him for about 25 minutes. This guy's a crazy person from what I understand from following him on social media, watching the way he interacts with pro golfers, watching the way he interacts with people that he helps. Although he has a very weird, crazy style, but every single person that he puts on his Instagram ends up being fixed and changed for the better. you got to go hand in hand eye to eye with him.

How was that experience? And what do you take you for that? So just, yeah, to give it a little pre-chatter, he, you know, like you don't know, and I kind of said this to him during the interview, but you don't know when you sit down with somebody like that, are they just for show? Are they on camera? They're like gung-ho. They're trying to help people.

And then like off-camera, they're kind of like doing their own thing. Whatever. This guy lives and breathes helping people's golf swing. Like to the point where off camera, after we did this, and during the lesson, like, he usually has three guys and he's got a fucking iPad and he's got a TV and he's got a camera. He does all this shit. He was just by himself. And he was running around, flinging my hips around, flinging my arms around. I said to him in the middle of that I said, I feel like I'm at the fucking chiropractor.

Like what we're doing right now, it's got bruises. It's insane. But he, in between when the cameras were off, they weren't rolling, dude, he was pulling chairs out while we're walking through Greyhawks club out. pulling chairs out like riggs come here come here come here so what you know what i want you understand is that like you need a fist of room behind you in this chair and then when you actually turn your left hip needs to hit the fucking chair come here and like we're doing this off camera camera man wasn't around the crew was actually waiting for us they're like in the other room like where are you guys and i'm like dankas has me up against the wall like i'm in fucking tin cup

with 9000 intravians trying to improve my golfs so this guy is obsessed he's been sending me He messages nonstop. He's a huge audio message guy, so he sent him. He messages left and right. He wanted me to tell everyone that he's got his own fucking promo code. So you go to his website, Scooby. Everybody calls him Scooby. I'm getting Instagram comments left and right.

S-C-O-O-B-I-E. That's your promo code. So you can save some money if you go with Gagis on his website. I highly recommend it the guy's the man. But the point is he's obsessed with fixing and hanging and improving golf swings, including my own. he's just fucking all in on it and that like that kind of passion and sincerity means the world so he was the man he's awesome well i'm very much listening to listening to that because i think i need a guy

who approaches it that way who takes it almost like in an army and like military way where he like makes you scared i need to be scared to i need to be scared straight like into my swing my swing needs to be straight i i feel like i'm wacky wild goosey goosey i need someone to be like dude if you don't figure this shit out, I'm going to, like, physically harm you. I feel like that's the vibe I get from Gankus. Right. I said, you don't, you don't need a swing coach, Frank. You need, like, a shrink.

Yeah, true. He's like, from the videos I've seen with him, and we're going to watch your video with him, we're going to listen to the podcast, but, like, he just seems very aggressive and, like, also, like, just some, he just gets into your brain a better way than, like, a nerdy old golf guy that, like, he talks and maybe you just go, like, whatever, dude, you don't even know what you're talking about. This guy's, like, so. He's a Cali, bro.

Yeah, he's just so fucking into it. And he's, like, so passionate. I need that passion, like, just as much, like, I need, you'd have just as much passion as me when you're trying to teach me. And I feel like he has that. And he's so fit and he's, like, scary. I think that's why I get that military vibe from him. He's the man.

I think people are going to love this interview. And I think they're going to love the video that we put out tomorrow on Friday. So it was good. Gagis is the man. All right. Well, I don't know if I have anything else for you guys. I think we can toss it right to this interview, if that's okay with you guys.

Yeah. It's good by me, Frank. All right. Well, come here. Now listening, I was going to say coming up again. That would have been the second time I said coming up. We're still learning this whole process.

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who is a sensation on Instagram. We got 250-something thousand followers. We just did a lesson. First of all, just in general, do you ever think you're going to kind of be in this spot where you're posting all these videos online, instructional stuff, teaching, how when people you're working 10, 12 hours a day.

Did you ever kind of see that for yourself? No, I didn't. I didn't even like social media when I started to be honest. I was going to be real honest. My buddy, Danny Wax, was a tour player, played on the nationwide. He saw, dude, you've got to get this because you got so many good juniors right now,

and I was like, I don't want to be on social media. I told them that straight up. And so that kind of started it out. And it started to get more fun because people were talking trash. You know how people talk trash about golf. It's just what they do. Yeah. So it kind of was fun to, like, do some battles with people talking shit all day.

I thought it was fun. Yeah, and you're good at it, right? It's like, some people were like, they're awkward or they're opposed to it, but you're just a natural with it. If someone's going to talk to them, I'm good. I like it. So let's get into just a little bit of your background. We're talking about a little beforehand, but you're a good player in your own right. Like you said, you break par.

You still don't play as much as you like, but when you do, you're a damn good player. I watch you hit a couple balls with my irons and you're flushing them. So you've been in golf pretty much your whole life. Yeah, I mean, I was originally, like, I didn't start until I was 18, 19, somewhere in the summer of, like, my senior. Really? Yeah, I didn't play high school ball. What?

No, and then I played college, and I got a scholarship my last two years, Cal State Northridge. Yeah. And I was a walk-on, so it wasn't, like, an earned scholarship until I earned it from walking on. Okay, so it was one of those things where I just fell in love with it. I had a passion. I started reading everything, trying to figure out why I sucked. And that's how I got good.

It's funny because I can tell you're a nut, right? You're just like, everyone that listens because, you know, we did our video, and people are going to see it Friday. We did our lesson, and it was great. You're into it. You're running around. You're doing three different people's jobs. But then afterwards, when the camera shut off, you and I are in here in this fucking,

in this random room and you're pulling out chairs. You're like, Rick, come stand here. This is where your ass needs to be totally off camera. So you're a nut. You're a golf nut. I enjoy it. I mean, I really kind of like get off on helping people out. It's like, it's what I enjoy seeing people, like, get better.

Yeah. You know what I mean? That's kind of what I really, that's my passion. It's not so much about, you know, the other exterior stuff that people, like, think I like, I like, I actually like just fucking making people better at all. Yeah. And you, and it's interesting because, you know, you've got a good following, like I said, but you don't know until somebody shows up. He could be, like, cameras are on and all of a sudden, George would around. And then the minutes off could be like, all right, see you later, dude, where's my food?

Instead, like I said, it was like, you didn't give a shit of cameras. You're just genuinely like, hey, man, here's your issue. Try this. Does this feel better? Is that working? Does that make sense to you know? And you're obsessed with it. Like, that's what you love.

It was funny last night. We're sitting over there and I see Eddie George at the thing. And I was telling Rob, it was hilarious. So Eddie George, I was a fan of him. You know, he's a football player. And like, like, legit Heisman trophy winner. And I was like, that's Eddie George and Wolf's like, what are you a fan boy? And I started laughing him all that, dude.

I was just a fan. kid. And I said, he's like, I don't know who that is. I'm like, he's right over there, like right next to us at the thing. So I go to the bathroom. I come back and all of a sudden Eddie George goes, hey, and I turn around and what's up? He goes, what's your name? And I'm like, George. He goes, he's like, what's your last name? He's off. I'm on, I'm on Gankis. He goes, bro, he says, I got your membership side. I'm going, get out of here. I was just talking about you. And then they both came over and introduced Wolf and they're like, they didn't know who is. I'm like, you don't know who this is. Like, nah. And then all of a

And he's like, I said, it's Wolf. He's like, oh, shit, they got all excited. And then, fucking Wolfford started wrapping out with him. But it was funny. And so here's the story behind it. Is Eddie George, I got him up. He's all, so, tell me about my back swing. So he's all, tell me about my transition.

So I was helping him just like I was you. Because I actually, I dig that. That's what makes it fun for me is to watch somebody getting up in a restaurant and swing it. I don't give a shit. No. If I look stupid. And we post on our accounts all the time, like you'll see a guy pumping gas. And while his, while the gas is pumping.

We'll take videos. He's out there in the middle of the gas station, like trying to find it. That's me. In golf, you've become obsessed, right? And so you just mentioned you got the online where people can send up, because I'm trying to figure out, you got the G-box, which we can get into, but people want to get better. And how can they, with, you know, they see your videos and it's little kind of tidbits and snippets into what you do.

But how can people, you know, through you and what you do, get better and help their own games? Well, like, legit, you could just watch Instagram. You can watch my YouTube stuff for free. but if you want to get more detail to what I do, I have a membership site. And in the membership site, it took me two years to do. Took a lot, a lot of work. And it was fun. But it's good.

It's well done. And I got two guys on a forum that are answering all questions. So that thing's done real well. I got the G-box, which is an instructional thing, which I don't know if everybody's seen it, but it's like this right here. But you put it on one side. It tells you how much you turn, get your arms in front of you, if those are issues you're having. And there's a lot of videos on how to do it.

So if you're trying to learn membership site or just, you know, watch Instagram or there's a lot. I mean, there's a lot of good information out there, but this stuff will tell you what you're doing wrong and how to fix it in the membership side. I got to tell you, you and your guys are on it because I got my buddy, a couple of my buddies are subscribed to it. My one buddy, Chad, he's like, dude, these guys are fucking great. He's like, here I am in my, you know, in the bathroom mirror, the hotel or whatever,

trying to find my positions. And he's like, and I jump on. I jump on this little forum. He's like the guy responds in like 30 seconds. Like, I got this guy. It's incredible. They've been with me for like 10 years. like legit, if I didn't have them, that membership wouldn't work the way it does.

It's like, there'd be people would be confused. So are these the same guys who were running around slinging people's hips? They were originally. Well, I've got Jake Ledbetter, who's been my guy that spun hips forever. And like we did the lesson today. We didn't have a video, so we asked Rob. That was hard for me. We don't have mirrors.

We don't have the camera set up. So the props aren't there. The sticks. I mean, that's the stuff that my people that will be doing. And I always have at least five people watching me. And so I'm like, dude, if you're going to sit there, you're going to work. So I have people like spinning hips, making sure the head's not staying down forever or whatever it might be. The people are working and they love it because they get to learn the same hand and they help players.

So it's a lot easier when to have my team with me. So we're just coming off our lesson. My swing gets much talked about the other guys in the podcast who are in this interview, but they roast me all the time is just having like the ugliest worst swing in golf for someone who actually plays decent golf. It's not that thing. So give your honest thoughts. to the listeners about, you know, what you saw out of me. Okay, so my honest opinion is I think you hit the ball really solid.

Like, you make good contact, okay? So people don't realize that. And you have a good ball pattern. So the fact is, is when you miss, you said you overhook it or you block it. And that's because you don't rotate open. You kind of like stick your butt back and you suck your butt in. And from there, it's really hard to get out of the way, which means ball flight is going to change. You're going to have your streaky days where you're good and the other ones where you're not.

But that's more of like a timing move when you get, close to the ball. So you play it, you aim right, and you play for a little draw. And so when you, when I got there, you're hitting it solid. You hit good shots. And what we try to do is change your setup so you're not sucking your butt in. You're allowing yourself to turn. And then we worked on rotation. And the only reason we did that is so you could get the handle more forward so you could get your path to face ratios more in tune so you're not hitting random both way shots, meaning blocks are overhooks. It's not like you're missing. You'll get your patterns, but if things aren't going your way,

then you're going to probably start a hook. But I was impressed. You're a five handicap? Yeah, about five right now. Yeah. And that's the thing that people understand. You don't have to have a good swing to be a good golfer.

I see some guys that got shitty-ass golf swings they score. And I see guys that look pure and they suck. Yeah. So it was very funny when you were just telling me before, you were like, you know, I'll post videos of these guys on my Instagram and somebody's swing will be pure.

They're flushing it. And all the comments, they're like, this guy's a stick. And you'll be like, hey, it actually kind of sucks. Exactly. Well, that happens. It is amazing because you'll look at a guy and they absolutely assume that the guy sucks

because he's not traditionally what they call him playing. And you're like, if you don't look like Adam Scott, you suck. Right, right. And that's so far from the truth. There's so many guys that are scrappy. And that's a whole other sport is playing golf. Like I said before, I got kids. Every one of my kids learns to make like solid sound.

But that doesn't mean they can play. They got to put the work in and be out on the course and be playing every day. You got a scrap. I'm scrappy. That's my. You got a scrap. You got a game there, Rick. Well, George said I'm scrappy.

I mean, right off the bat, the only way anybody's going to get golf, good at golf is if they're 30-yard radius around the green, getting up and downs and playing games like that. That's how you get good at golf, and then being on the golf course and seeing different situations every day. So, you know, one of your biggest stars, studs, Matt Wolf, he's got, to a lot of people, one of the more interesting moves, action swings in all the golf.

Talk a little bit just about kind of your relationship with Matt. and ultimately kind of his swing, his move, and what you love about it. Well, the first time I met Matt was on a driving range, and I looked over and I saw this kid with, he didn't have as big a trigger. It was just a tiny little hitch. Okay. Brought it straight up and was sling hook in it. Like, when I say sling, he'll tell you, he's hitting a 30-yard hooks, and be about 30 feet,

I'm all know, like 30 yards. This shit was slinging. Yeah. And the funny thing is, is like he was 13, and the next thing you know, he comes up, And he's like, do you think I can do a lesson with you? And I'm like, yeah, sure. So his dad came and was scared. He's like, I don't want you to change his swing because he's pretty good.

I'm like, he is good. I said, but the fact is, he ain't surviving with that sling hook. Right. I said, and so gradually we started toned it down and really, like working what we did with you. He was dumped under a little bit and sucking his butt under. And so we worked rotation. And we developed a relationship over time that's been, you know, he's a great kid. as you probably know when he's he's got a great sense of humor he's funny

to you know it's golf isn't his favorite sport in the world like he like he's checking scores all that like no he's not he's not a fanatic on golf he he loves golf but it's not like he's got to do it in his room and all the rest he's like he wants to just hang out he likes to chill yeah you know what I mean is it tough sometimes to get him dialed in like on hey this well I love it that people say you you didn't have to do anything with this golf thing and I start going well why don't you coach him see how easy that shit is Because it ain't that easy, okay? You know, things for everyone get off.

You know what I mean? Everyone gets off, and it depends on how people handle him, and he's young. You know what I mean? He's 21 years old, and he's top 15 in the world. At this age 21, there's not many people have done that ever. And so his expectations were high, and he's starting to learn to control his emotions a lot better. But like I said, he's learning. And once he does learn with his talent level, it's pretty scary.

Talk about the trigger move a little. bit that he does, right? Because every player, you know, Nicholas has a trigger. Everybody's got a trigger move throughout. His is clearly more amplified and gets a lot more coverage. But what, like, do you try to teach something like that? Well, what did I do to you today? I give you an impact drill, which is for people don't know what impact. So I'm just basically standing up. This is where I'm added impact with more of a right bend and hip, hip tilt right here, right? So I just said, hey, let's go into impact. I didn't make him stand up. And he's more extended here. He's not flex, flex, flex, flex like this. But he's more in an extended position as he's

turning through. Okay. So I just said, hey, let's get into this impact. And he's always had a baby trigger, like a little pressure forward, like boom, and then take it back. So he would start to go impact like this and then back and then still had his little like hitch and take it outside. Yep. Yep. So we did that a bunch of impacts because he was, he was very much into out like this. And then he starts to get back to us. We're always working rotation, just like we did with you today. Right. So me and Matt. Exactly. Very similar swings. Exactly. So. So. So that's what we did.

So he, like as a sophomore, he won a tournament. I believe he shot 61 doing the move the first time. And he says, I swear, you can look it up, 61, 66. It was there, Alasaw? Yeah. Fresh, I think he was a freshman when he did it. And so I was like, he's like, should I keep that trigger? I said, dude, I don't get me shit.

That's shit's sick. And then I told him about Onica. That's what happened with Onica. She won a tournament with her eyes releasing like it did. And so, I mean, to be honest. doesn't matter as long as it's as long as it feels good to you that isn't because the onica thing you know she like you said her eyes kind of moved before and we were working on that a little bit today to get the chest out you're hard to always talks about keeping your head down right like that's

i said you could keep your head still more like centered and i don't mind if it moves off re-centers or just stay centered like the old timers i don't mind but it shouldn't stay down because then you can't rotate it's like any other sport we like if i pick up a ball the first move as i rotate and my eyes and then all of a sudden my chest opens and then I can throw. I would never throw this way. Shoot a basket. Everything is releasing with the eyes first. Eyes first, neck follows.

And for golf, why it's important as your eyes open, the chest can open that moves the arm forward into a D loft and more left, which equals less snap hooks. That makes a lot of sense. I love Taylor Made. I want to scream it from a fucking mountain top. I want the whole world to know what I'm doing over here in my review. room. I'm still quarantining. It's still Corona times. I have a brand

new set of Taylor made of Taylor Made P790s. I've got the Sim 2 3 wood. I've got the Sim 2 5 wood. I've got the Sim 2 driver. I've got the spider putter. I am locked and loaded to take the game of golf

by the balls and dominate it. I haven't been able to put it into play yet. These are brand new with brand new shafts, brand new everything on them. I can't wait to go out into the world and play golf with my new clubs. You guys have no idea how much fun I had unwrapping like that little plastic. So it comes in like a bubble wrap and then you take that off and you think you're ready to go.

And then it has a very fine line of plastic on the fucking face of these drivers in three woods. I peeled them off so slow that I almost like, I almost like exploded. Trent? You know how great it is to take that piece of a, you know, plastic film off of a cell phone date? Like the cell phone comes from the front and you're just taking it off and it's like, oh, that's the best thing in the world. Now times that by a billion because I also got my three wood. I got my five wood and they're just sitting like in the hallway there and I will walk by when I'm going to the bathroom when I'm like on my way to go to the bathroom. And I'll just grab the club and just be like, yeah, yeah, I can't wait to actually this thing.

They are, I mean, they're sexual is what they are. I mean, I shot 68 today. Like, was it a shamble? maybe did we get to take just the best drive maybe but from that ball in like from just a pretty good spot off the tee i shot 68 so uh guess what's new about my game i have tailor-made clubs throughout i have the fucking sim two driver and brewwood i have the p770s irons i have meal grind wedges and i have not the brider putter so such a flex they have the seven 70s over us with the 790s i got 790s such a subtle flex i'm sorry about that by the way that's going to

be something I'm going to chirp you guys about forever. Dude, I was getting a little mean and, like, aggravated, people would be like, so these clubs look so good. The 790s look so good that they actually look like blades. I mean, they look like the nicest blades you've ever seen when you take a picture of them. And everyone was messaging me,

bro, you're not good enough. To hit blades? Who do you think you are? And I said, imagine not knowing what a Taylor made P790 is. Like, imagine being that stupid to not realize that they are so forgiving. But they also have that sleek look when you're looking at that face of that fucking iron that you feel like you guys

I'm inside of porta you're inside a porta potty which is in no representation of what tailor made clubs are it's just something the exact opposite exact opposite whatever the exact opposite of a porta potty is that is a tailor made driver a new sim too everyone should go out and at least give it a try like i've told that to a lot of people like there's a lot of golf brands out there do whatever you got to do the tailor made clubs that they just rolled out are different. There's no other way to describe it. They've just, they've made them look cooler.

They've made them feel better. They've made them sound better. Everything about them is worth the try. You should go book some sort of fitting at whatever store. You got to go to golf galaxy. You got to go to PGA superstore. You got to go to the kingdom wherever you got to go. Get it on the books now because these things are going to sell out there.

You need to go get your SIM 2 driver. You don't want to be the only idiot in town without a SIM 2, without a three wood, without your new P790s or P770s. You guys hear me pee in right now? Potter, I can hear you putty. If you get, hey, if you get other equipment, this is what you're doing with your money. You're pissing it down the drain. An absolute fucking joke.

You're pissing it down the drain. These things are, these things are Patrick Reed-esque, like, not like you're not supposed to be doing them. That's how much pop they've got on their fairway on their, on the face of these irons. They have so much pop. I've gotten more messages about my tailor-made clubs than anything I've ever posted on Instagram. That's a fact. I got a thousand DMs being like no fucking way do you have the sim two driver. Look at that thing. Look at the colors. Look at the way it moves. Look at the way the

fucking light shines on it. Go get yourself some tailor-made golf clubs. Everybody knows how good it feels to like relieve yourself. Like that's one of the best feeling. Hitting a thoroughmate club, I would argue, is infinitely better. It feels that fucking good. And it's actually the only thing that I wish I was doing more than what I just did right now, which felt good, but nothing. than like hitting a Taylor-made club, especially those Sim-2s, man, when you, when you hit that high on the center of the face where you're supposed to, oh my fucking God, it's the best feeling in the world. Don't you agree, Trent? I could not agree more. I need to get out there and I need to use these clubs.

I'm super jealous that you're getting to use them. I feel like I got blue balls right now. Yep, Taylor-May brought back its iconic V-Steel design. So all of you who can say, I can't hit my three would very, I can't hit my three would very well. You know who you are. that's actually in this read and I think that's fucking about me because I've never hit my three wood well they know I can't but they know that the sim two fairway woods and the rescues are designed to help me specifically we can talk about these all day long we've got the Tommy fleetwood video out actually next Tuesday when you're listening to this next Tuesday the Tuesday coming up Tommy Fleetwood one club challenge he's a tailor made athlete the tailor made series which we just came out with the bunker video I thought that was a phenomenal video I think people are loving the fact that you're getting a little bit of humor. You're humanizing guys like Tommy Fleetwood,

and you're also getting an unreal little lesson by him. So go check that out. Taylor made, go get the clubs. We're going to be talking about this company nonstop. So just go get the fucking clubs now. So you can enjoy this with us. Into a porter potty pissed and came out during that ad read. And that might be close to as impressive as Taylor May, but not quite there.

That's an incredible feat. And another incredible feat would be to just go get yourself some clubs. You don't want to be the idiot listening to us talking about them and not enjoying it. Get in on the fun. Taylor made, Barstool, do it. If somebody shows up, first lesson with you ever, can you, on the first swing, pretty much diagnose where you need to go and what needs to fix? You know, people, when they come and watch me, like, they go, oh, I know Georgia's stuff.

But the fact is, is that, to me, sometimes, like, I don't know where I'm going to start, and I don't try and be creative with it. I just, fuck, I go. So if I'm, like, if I'm video it on the face on, it's like, I'll start the lesson out with, okay, this guy's moving off. And I'm already going to guess what the backside looks like, if that makes sense. Yeah. So down the line, I mean.

So I'm already guessing either side. Then I look at the other side and then I decide what's the most important. But I don't always start everybody the same where I'd lose my mind. I mean, it would be get stale. A lot of coaches are systematic about how they're doing. The only thing systematic about mine would be the setup is very important because it allows you to be mobile. And once you're mobile, then there's no compensations.

So when people don't turn, let's say that I'm just standing here, and I'm trying to actually go back. How am I going to get this club inside? I'm not just going to rotate through. I'm either going to have to suck my butt in or a tilt or pull my arms to get the club back inside. You have to do something. And that's why people, when they have a bad setup

and they're bent over, they have no mobility. So they have to get inside this way or this way because they're not just going to bend over and just turn. Or once they get in that bad setup, they're always going to compensate. And that's where injuries start. That's where low point problems start. That's where face control starts.

I mean, everything gets bad from the start. So that would be the only system. thematic thing I'd do. It's like set up first, then you've got to turn, and then you got to actually, you know, there's a lot of other little things, but. What I liked about what you do a lot is the, is, is forcing the feeling, right, where you're ripping my hips or you're, because I, it's so, you would have never got any of that. If I just had, hey, open your hips, I mean, it's like, for fucking never. Never, because you know, like, how the fuck would you get to that point? You can't, and you're so ingrained in clearly what's wrong that, like, actually getting to that point,

it's almost like scar tissue. You got to, like, knock away. It's like, I would have done the less and different today if the cameras weren't on and and there I would have slowed it down a lot but I wanted you to get I didn't know how long we're going to do it but I would have slowed it down and said let's do some like slower ones and then video and all the rest and you would have got more out of but I was just trying to rip you open and give you a feel so you can actually understand it later but that was the big I think that's the only thing that you really need to work on is getting open in the back in the fall through and I think it'll change even better than it already is I got to come out I got to come out to California it would be said so we're so we should so we're

you, another thing that's, that's interesting about you, right, is you see some of these teachers that people have heard about, they've got ranches or they've got these crazy practice facilities. You're at, like, you got mats and there's like a fucking net and a highway in the background. Yeah. You know, is that, like, could you, you could have your own thing. Oh, for sure. Yeah. I mean, do you just enjoy, that's just your character?

Listen, what is that? The fact is that, first off, I'm a guy that likes to have my shirt untucked. Yeah. You know what I mean? And, you know, you'll get someone like Kevin Knott, tuck your shirt and he's just fucking around me. I don't tell me eating my balls. You know what I mean? So the fact is, it's the truth.

Like, I'm not going to tuck my shirt in unless I have to. Yeah. I mean, I like being comfortable. No disrespect to anybody. People take that disrespectful, but I'm not trying to be comfortable. So when I'm on that range, they don't care if I wear flip-flops. They don't care if I actually don't wear a collared shirt, even though I do. I try and be somewhat respectful for, like, the clients.

I have a lot of, like, clients come up to me and their parents are looking at my shoes, not having a clue what I am, but their kid wanted to get lessons for me. And I'm paying this full $600 for this fucking, this guy wearing flip-flops. And it's like, let's just get, let's get some shit done. So I don't really care where I teach, like, as long as I've got some shade. Yeah, you'll be all right. I'm okay. And I got people to help.

And I know where things are. I think that's probably the biggest thing for me. Would be cool about being indoors or a place that I could have to obey would be that I could lock the key and go, I have to fucking set up and put down. but I have guys doing that for me now, which is lucky. How many students do you have? Including my online program, to be honest, probably, I mean, it sounds ridiculous, but at least 5,000. See, that's amazing.

I mean, I got guys that will come once a year, but they religiously come once a year. And I got guys come from, like, China, and they'll come once a year or for three days straight, and they've been doing that for 15 years, you know what I'm saying? So I got guys that you would go, oh, that's not really your student. I'm like, still says, fucking he goes to me. I've seen this guy in two years. Do you remember their swings when they show up? Sometimes, we'll always remember a face.

Like, I don't forget faces. So I'll see a guy and be like, fuck, I know I've taught you. What's your name again? Like, legit. But yeah, there's a lot of guys that I have that once a month, once every two months, or I'm doing online lessons or the membership site. I mean, I'm counting those, but that's not really fair. And then I got guys that, like, I got tour players that I'm not going to name because they have coaches

and I'm not trying to get in. I say, just keep with your coach, because the coach is different than a technician. If someone's like, bro, what do you think about this? I'll be like, all right, this is what I think. And I do that a lot for tour players because I don't want to be, I don't want to have 10 guys on tour. I don't. I want to have two, maybe three. You know what I mean?

This is hard to be out here every week for me. And it's a very, it's funny the aspect of like coaches and stuff on tour because it gets very personal. And you, you know, you hear like, oh, is this guy? It's almost like they're like cheating on somebody. Oh, it's very territorial. Yeah. And I respect all the coaches out there. And if someone did have a player that asked me for me,

I am not trying to get your player. I don't, that's the last thing I want. I got enough players. I don't even make money out here compared to where I'm back home. I just do this because it's fun. And so a lot of people go, you need credibility to have a good player to be a good coach. I'm like, you know what's fucking being a good coach?

If someone can fix a 20 handicapper. Yeah. Fixing DJ, that shit's fucking, he's, fuck, he's DJ. He's badass. Not saying that his coach doesn't do anything. I never said that. No, but I'm just saying, and you could say that, that same thing about Wolf. You say the same thing

about a lot of tour players. Fixing someone who's a 20 and bringing him down to scratch player, that's fucking hard, too. Is that, uh, that's hard shit? You've seen that big a drops before? Oh, hell yeah. I've got guys that are 30s that are scratched. I mean, people, for sure think I'm full of shit. This guy could make

a scratch player in fucking six months. Well, let's not be crazy. But he's probably, he's just out, like, I don't even want to call him out, but he could definitely, I would bet anyone if we did, like, a hainy project in a, like a ganker fucking project. I guarantee I get him scratched and I'll bet anybody in the planet if he had the time.

How much of that is swing versus the rest of the game? I think swing is a small factor of being a good golfer. And what I mean by that is you've got to go out and ride the bike. You've got to be, everyone at one point has been a kid and just got the ball in the hole. And then once your swing starts getting better, you start flushing it more,

your distance control gets better, your curve control, you stop missing on the wrong side of pins. Your short game starts getting better, you're putting, you start working on drills. and then it all this comes together but the fact is is you could have a hundred different types of swings

and get it in the hole I mean more than that totally do you do a lot of like playing lessons yeah I've always said that's what I enjoy I think the biggest thing that people don't understand

is that I've been teaching a long time I've been teaching since 96 97 and I just turned 50 so that being said I used to like my first passion was I had like pro surfers that I would actually go coached

and turn them into scratch players and a matter of them because they're talented and they have time off they go play that was the start when I was like 24 25 26 I take certain like timmy kuren he's a pro surfer back in the day and I got him good he was probably 25 and I got him to like a five and like legit a year okay and so the fact is he's probably worse than that now but the fact is that in his time he got good real fast because we play golf every day so was that what was my passion is first to get people to score yeah and then and then and then, you know, I had every junior in Cali that was any good three, four years ago. That's when I first started, like, on Instagram, people started knowing what I was.

And then I started charging more. And once you charge more, you're not going to get juniors. So you start charging, like, heavy price, kids aren't going to come as much. It's interesting. Unless they're the rich kids, and they're not going to actually practice. And you have your exceptions. There are some kids that were in general, yeah. In general, yeah.

And I think people understand that. It's interesting because you, you know, for having popped up on Instagram, you know, this, people might think, like, oh, yeah, George's been doing it for five or six years. They don't realize it's been like 20, 30. Where do you come from, bro? He just came out of nowhere. Right. It's like, no, he didn't.

I've been doing this shit for a long time. You've seen everything. I've seen a lot. I mean, I've been a fanatic in this game for a long time. People have just to know how it was. Yeah, it's cool, man. It's, um, we'll look, we'll have to get you back on. I, um...

I appreciate it. This is fun. I want to come out. I've, like, I've, like, I've, and I'm obsessed, right? So it's like, and there's, as an average weekend golfer, who now is in a position where like we get to play a lot more golf, we get to play sweet golf courses, there's no activity or experience better in life than playing good golf. I agree.

It makes you feel good. Oh, it's, it changed. I was testing. I was like, the grass is greener everywhere. The food tastes better. Like, everything's, the girls are hotter. Like, everything's better when you're playing good golf. You're playing like shit.

It fucking sucks when you're playing like shit. When you say that, it's funny that you say that because I legit feel like I'm a fraudulent teacher. if I'm not playing good golf. Like, I don't know what I'm doing. And that's not fair. But the fact is, is if I'm not playing good golf, I feel like I don't communicate my message.

I don't have as confidence in what I'm doing. But when I'm playing good, it's like, shit works. Shut the fuck up and, you know? Yeah, it was funny because you can grab one of my irons after, and you were hitting a couple of hours. I could tell you were very much like,

yeah, what I was saying is fucking right. Yeah, you do that? You just roasted, is it? So it's cool that you're that into it. I love it. Yeah, that's good. All right, man. well, thanks for doing.

Again, we'll have to get you back on with the whole crew. Thank you. I appreciate it. And I want to come out. I want to get your full setup out in California. We'll get you a real straight. It's still good. Don't sleep on it. Appreciate that.

Thank you.