Fore Play - Golf Pet Peeves Week

Episode Date: December 12, 2017

Trent, Riggs, and Frankie Borrelli breakdown golf's new rule changes including no more call-ins and the incorrect signing of a scorecard. The guys also take SEVERAL from the galleries: a handful of golf pet peeves; is it worth it to get lessons? How many practice swings are permissible? What are the best and worst golf Christmas gifts? And much more! You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

Hey, 4Play listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. It's December. We're getting into the dog days of golf podcasting, if we're being honest. This was, I'm trying to do a little math, but I think this was the first Saturday that I didn't play golf since in like three months. I was going to say years, because it feels like years, but we can go with three months. The only date I could come up with was the Saturday of the President's Cup because we went to the President's Cup. So I was at a golf tournament. I wasn't playing golf.

You played a disgusting amount of golf where it actually leaves like a sour taste in my mouth. Stupid amount of golf. No one. You played the same amount of golf as a professional golfer in some sense. There's no way that that's correct. Like an amateur golfer. A guy who plays in a couple tournaments. You're playing every weekend, three times a weekend.

I was playing. No, I mean, that's just not possible. Weren't you playing Friday mornings and like you were, like, I won't. At one point you were going with... On three-day weekends, yeah. But, I mean, there's no... Right, like a golfer is playing... Sure.

...five, six rounds a week. I'm playing twice Saturday, Sunday. On my days off. I mean, for a guy that just moved to New York, you played a lot of golf. Oh, I would have never... It's funny because last fall, before we started this podcast and all that,

I never played. And I wanted to. And there were times where I was chilling in my New York apartment. Like, well, I'll be really cool if I can play golf now. And now I did. But if you don't have access, you got no fucking chance in New York.

But anyways, dog days of golf podcasting. It's cold as shit. We're closer to Christmas. We got fucking snow on Saturday. When you're on this side of Christmas, it feels like golf isn't even a thing. We got a bunch of snow Saturday. It was coming down. I tried to play.

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Or if they do, they always do it like half-ass. This appears to be the correct ruling. It appears to be very obvious. It was so stupid that they accepted viewer call-ins. Many, many reasons made it stupid. I think the number one reason is because it's just clearly not a level playing field. I mean, if you've got...

No. 20% of the field is on TV and has every shot filmed and scrutinized. They are going to be way more vulnerable to this type of bullshit. golf is all about protecting the field and all of that. So, and then there's there's, there's all the other reasons of the imperfections in the game, the fact that nobody technically ever marks their ball and then replaces it in the exact same spot. I don't want to get into physics here, but that's like damn near impossible.

It is impossible. So whenever you zoom in, you're going to find, you know, inconsistencies, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. This all makes sense. And what they did is the right move. But there is a very small part of me that's, going to miss the madness of when this happened. I agree with that. Because some of the most, some of the biggest headlines golf gets is when they fuck something up.

And like the Lexi Thompson thing was huge. The Tiger thing was obviously huge when it happened. I am going to miss like just the chaos what happens because it puts a big spotlight on golf. Not for the right reasons. But it is fun. Just to think how absurd it is to have someone call in who's watching the coverage and to have them fuck things up is kind of an awesome thing to have. But it's good that it's gone. But I am going to miss it a little bit.

You know what it is? It's that golf, right? Golf completely lacks, like, the villain, the bad boy. Like, something that everyone's like, fuck that. You're rooting against that. And when these stupid rules violations happen, like, when that LPGA lady had to come up and just ruin Lexi Thompson's life and she was like, are you kidding me?

And they went back and forth. The whole world, I mean, Tiger Woods jumps on. He's tweeting about it. You're like, Michael Phelps jumping on. He's tweeting about it. The whole world rallies around, like, fuck them. It's like Her Brooks and Miracle. or like her Brooks makes his whole team hate them rallies around the whole team hating them golf has

none of that it's it's like all this vanilla everybody's rooting for everybody so when you get those cool moments where everybody yeah is like rooting for one person because like fuck golf or fuck this ruling or that's like that's the most annoying thing in the world we're gonna miss that we're not going to get that as much now which is sad but we'll got it we got to find something i mean i don't know i do like how it is a dog whistle for just the biggest assholes of society for just think about how much it would take for you to call something in. And for the Lexi Thompson thing, it was, what, 24 hours later? The guy called it in and was like, oh, this is wrong.

It's the right move. I am going to miss it, though. I will say that. Yeah, and then the scorecard thing continued for a long time, and it's still not perfect, but it continued to be one of the more archaic rulings ever that you have a sport where everyone, you know, where the shots are on TV, they have officials foul on the group with giant scoreboards. and if you sign an incorrect scorecard,

you get eliminated from the tournament is outrageous. And so what made it even more outrageous that they've dialed back on was this whole phenomenon of they would penalize you later for something in a previous round. Right, they would double down on it. Then you had signed a scorecard for that previous round, but now your score was incorrect. So you would sign an incorrect scorecard.

You would get DQed for the tournament. That is so outrageous. I think Lexington. We got four stroke penalties. She did. Four for the mark and then two for signing an incorrect scorecard. Which when she signed it, it was correct. Right, right.

Why don't you tell me what I'm doing first, and then I wouldn't sign an incorrect scorecard? Or like, okay. At the time of signing the scorecard, it was not incorrect. Right. Right. What are we doing? Which is that should be the precedent. The fact that we even let that happen, like, that was a reality is crazy town.

I do like that they're just, they've really made a move to modernize this stuff, and they're just like no bullshit. Like you said, they usually half-assed it and it doesn't go the way you want. want it to completely. They're just like, no, we're doing this now. We're doing this now. Everybody just shut the fuck up because it makes so much sense. It is, it is good. It is good and it is weird because, like, they are rolling this out like eight months later as like a big initiative in golf.

And it's like, no, no, that next Monday after Lexi Thompson thing, you should have all just literally said. There was a no brain. Oh, wait a second. This is a dumb ass thing. Let's just get rid of this. You see modernizing golf. Like, I don't understand. So we've evolved this people.

So we just now realize this. Like, they just didn't realize that signing. a scorecard that was correct and then the next day like i don't understand what had to happen was it the backlash or did they just like all of a sudden like a light bulb the other the other thing is definitely the backlash but they haven't done the incorrect scorecard thing isn't out now it's just this this is like a local rule for this so to this day today monday like like if you if if i incorrectly sign a scorecard still it goes into fact january first no no no is what you're saying what we're saying is this isn't just in general scorecard this is this one particular situation

They still have massive things to fix. The scorecard thing is now out. Right. It's not scorecard in general. No. If you still sign an incorrect scorecard, which this is what happened to the guy that lost the masters. I'm blanking on his name. But he had won the masters and then your partner, your playing partner keeps your scorecard.

And the playing partner had gotten what wrong. Now you're supposed to go through and check and double check and all that. But the playing partner had actually written down a par where he had made a birdie or something. And he signed an incorrect scorecard after he had won the master. he loses the masters that would still happen according to the way that i read it it's just it's a local rule for certain situations one of them being this whole uh this like viewer and if they change a card that you signed correctly what you signed it was correct at the time so it is a little bit what we're saying where you were like they half asked these and to get them right it is a little

bit like that for the scorecard not the not the callin thing they got that right the scorecard thing in general is a little tricky because you know golf 99% of competitors of golf is not played on TV. And so you do need to protect, you know, the tournaments by, like, you can't sign an incorrect. You need to, like, make sure and double and trickle checks so you don't submit an incorrect scorecard. But there's a certain level of play where when it's on fucking TV and it's the Masters. Yeah. And you've got scores walking with them that the signing of a scorecard shouldn't be like life or death.

Anyways. I think it's Dave Vicenzo signs for a wrong scorecard. That's right. Goldie wins the Masters. That's right. Isn't that insane? That just shouldn't be allowed. Do you imagine it?

So if I'm getting this right, just a, so Golby was taking the score for DeVichenza. I don't know. I don't say your opponent. I don't know if they were. Oh, got you. They might not even, yeah. How can you ever be, how can your score ever be like up in any way, my score should not be affected by you in any way? Well, it's technically not, right?

Because you, like, you, the guy hands you the scorecard. And you check it over. You're supposed to check it. every hole you're supposed to write your own scores down on the top of your opponent's scorecard as you keep it then you check across you cross check it you know you're supposed to be very diligent careful god what a golf thing that is yeah right oh my god like i'm just like thinking of like just like dave and kfc listening to this i know you're right i can hear them screaming like what fucking idiots yeah like that's right dumbest rule ever and you lost the masters because of oh oh um so anyways it's a move in the right

direction we are going to lose a little bit of the chaos we love the chaos uh we got to talk i got another little story here i don't know if you guys saw any of this i'll get your immediate reaction there's because a 75 year old guy i believe he lives in new jersey claiming that he's had eight over 80 whole and ones in his life so it's got you fucking kidding me got to such a point that gall channel did like they sent like a crew or something like a documentary crew to go like okay let's check this guy's deal out the most preposal video I've ever seen. They bring a mathematician on.

And the mathematician says, I believe he said, you have a better chance of getting 20 straight royal flushes if you sat down at a poker table. Then this amateur conference a 15 handicap. He says he's got over 80 hole in ones. He's a liar. And he claims to, so for the last like 20 plus, he takes out his phone and videos the reaction of like everyone on the green and stuff. and he has all the records kept of all the everybody that was in his

foursome and then that he like cross references and checks with him and then so they went and found a couple of these people and one of the guys was like yeah one time he said he had to go accepting a phone call and he drew i saw him drive over by the 12th green and then he met us on the 12th tee it was like oh yeah i already hit i think it was pretty good i don't know and they're like what the fuck he talking about they get up there and his balls like in the hole and they're like this guy is a compulsive liar yeah he was He's getting too deep on the lie here. He's just 80 hole in ones, no way.

Over 80. And he said he didn't get his first one until like 2011. I'd be, he's saying in the last couple of years he's gotten 60 plus. I just read off. I'd go out and say that he hasn't hit the green 80 times on par 3s since 2011. Dude, he's like, yeah, I've just been really lucky lately. Dude, I'm trying to think, like, how often I hit the green on a part 3, this four round that you don't play that much. I haven't hit the green 80 times in years.

He legitimately, yeah. So he said, yeah, he actually might not have hit 80 greens and regulation on part three. Definitely years. No chance. A 15 to anti-cap? You miss at least three of the greens each round. So I saw his swing, too. I mean, he's not.

This guy is not a can. I want to talk to this guy. And he's got, like, his pretty fucking, like, scummy buddies are on there. Like, I play with them all time. I've seen at least 11 of them. 80. Like, what are you talking about? What are you talking about?

This guy has a high term. lying. Yeah. It's like it moves him. It's what keeps him alive. Yeah. And like he goes to sleep every night. Like you think he like thinks about when he's going to lie about the next one?

Yes. Yes. Like I'm golfing today. I'm going to hit a whole one today. Yeah. Like honey, I'm coming home with a whole one today. Big time. Bet you are.

Isn't that preposterous? Fucking idiot. And then we got, uh, we got Roy McRoy back in the news because of yours truly. You put him in the news. I was drunk tweeting at about, um, three, four a.m. On Saturday night, got to do an argument with somebody at the bar. I can't remember who. Shocking.

About Rory. It was essentially I put up a poll who wins more majors total, Rory or Speed. The results were 78% of people said Jordan Speed. I, you know, I was going through a couple of the replies. Again, I was pretty intoxicated. It was late. I couldn't believe the disrespect. I could see you just yelling at your phone about this.

I couldn't believe the disrespect that Rory was getting. and I'm a big speed guy. Trent is typically the huge Rory guy, but we all love Rory. He's the most of the new generation. He is by far the most electric guy to follow. I mean, we watched him. We followed him at the master.

We saw him hit the greatest layup shot of all time. Greatest layup. Greatest layup ever seen that no one will ever see because we thought it was going to be on TV and that it definitely wasn't. They skipped over in the highlights, but okay. Yep. So essentially, I started freaking out.

These people were like, Rory is just a horrific putter. He's got no chance. Look, the guy has four fucking major championships. He's only 28 years old. He's won two by eight strokes each. Just last fucking season, 2016, he won the Tour Championship and the FedEx Cup. He got injured in January with the whole, was it his back or his ribs or something?

His ribs. Banged up his ribs. Speed is 24 years old, three majors. He did win the Masters by four strokes, but he's also, he's clutch, but he hasn't had the eight-stroke type blowouts. These people coming at me being like, Rory's just under. atrocious putter. These people are so dumb. Well, let's clear this up.

You're not arguing that Spief isn't going to win more meters. You're arguing that people aren't giving Rory nearly enough credit. I'm arguing that it should have been a 50-50 result in the poll and that it's really, really close and that I also went as far as to say that Rory's A game is better than anyone else in the world right now currently. Anybody on the planet. That I agree with. But could you see...

He doesn't have it as often. Totally understandable. But, but... So that was, that was essentially the premise was that I lost my mind that people were... Nobody votes 80% on Twitter on anything. You could put the most, you could put the most obvious example in the world, and it'd be like 45, 55. And it's like people are fucking fighting tooth and nail over it on Twitter. This was like everyone was writing it off like Sporries retired.

Well, it is a lot of recency bias. But can you also see how... Speets game is going to age better? I can see how people believe that. Okay. But I also, people got to realize that basically, you know, three years ago, when Spith, when Rory was Speeth's age now, he was at the same point actually had like one more matrix. When his last time he won was 2014? Yeah.

Right. So it's been almost four years now, three and a half years, which is the age that Speed is now, he was ahead. So, I mean, if Speed just has a couple years, all of a sudden where he doesn't win one, which is very, very. very, very realistic. Rory's going to be ahead of them. So it's like, I can see how it ages better, but people are also, Rory is not a horrible putter.

Rory just had a really shitty year this year. And so that's what I think is the most concerning thing. I don't think Rory McRoy at age 28 has not lost his putting forever. No, certainly not. And the thing with Speed is that he's one of the best putters we've ever seen. And that is what, when it comes down to it, well, he's one of the best players. It falls off when Roy doesn't have it as consistently.

but if Speedth can continue to put even near the way he has been, that's going to make the difference in terms of getting more tournaments. Because that's like it's that little edge there that is going to be able to put him over the top. When Rory, if he just completely loses it, then it's like, he doesn't have that difference. Speed also, speed is significantly better than anyone else on Planet Earth putting from a certain distance, which is the mid-range distance, the 20-ish-ish-feet. Short-range, he's actually a poor putter. And this year, he was extremely, he was, uh,

bad even for him. Now, don't get me wrong, he makes up more than he loses in his mid-range putting. And as Brandl's come on here and talked about many times, he's the best iron player in the world by far. I just couldn't believe the disrespect to tread. Listen. That Roy McRoy was getting. Because his A-game, his swing, how gorgeous it is, how far he pounds the ball, how high he hits it, and his ability when he's on to just blow other people out of the fucking water,

as he's done in two different major championships and he's proven since then to be able to close major championships so he's in the hunt by closing out against Ricky in the British Open and then closing out with Ricky and Phil charging at Valhalla. I mean, he's got what it takes to win as many majors as speed easily. So I couldn't believe that. No, it feels strange that we're on these opposite sides because I'm the biggest Roy guy.

I know you're a big speed guy. But I can't understand why the numbers are that crazy with the recency bias, with how good of a putter he is, with how good of an iron player is, and people see that more recently. Because like we're saying, last time Roy won a major was 2014. So people have seen Speedmore. They believe in him right now more.

78 is pretty high, but I'm not completely blown away by it. I guess that combined with the words that people were using, Trent, atrocious. He's basically done. He'll never get his putting back. And that combined as well with my alcohol intake. I was not happy. Here's another thing, and I know I'll be interested here because I saw what you said on Twitter about it.

There is, he has had questions about his drive to want to be the type of guy. Because with Speed, he has that type of thing where you know he wants to win as many majors, win as many tournaments as possible. I'm not saying Roy doesn't feel that way, but there have been instances throughout his career where he's just kind of like, I wasn't that, I wasn't as into it as I should have been. You know what they say, Trent, if you're a football coach and you've got two wide receivers who are currently at the exact same level, but one guy doesn't. care at all, which one do you want? I've never

heard this. You want the guy that doesn't care because you as a great coach, if he's already at the same level as the other guy, always got his upside. So what I'm saying, you're right. That Roy McRoy has already done all of that and people are questioning his drive. Once he's got somebody or once he fucking gets going and really fires it up, he can

beat people eight plus shots. I'm with you. I think his A game is most definitely better than anybody else's. It's just people, many people are saying that there are times when Roy is distracted and not as dialed in as he should be. And I think even Rory himself would admit to stints of that.

Many people on Twitter were voting that way as well. Yes, they were. Which I took offense to it. Did you use the Y-Receiver line on people on Twitter? Was it too much? Twitter's not. I thought about it, my brain, but I can't deliver it on Twitter. Because I don't love that example. I don't either. I think it's... Because I think I'd rather have the guy

that doesn't need that because the odds of you... The odds of you getting that. The whole point of it. The whole point of is that they're already on the exact same level. And one guy is the most committed, the most driven motherfucker ever. And they are the exact same quality add to your team right now. So why, you got to get the other guy who's currently a lazy.

But there is a downside that comes with talent. When it's that easy to you, you don't think you have to try. How would you know? That hurt my feelings. That hurt my feelings. But you know what I'm saying? Like when someone's so talented that they don't even think that they have to do anything, that actually instills laziness in some way.

But there's no way that Roy thinks that he doesn't have to do it. I'm not saying I don't know. I hope that's not true about Roy. I don't think it is. I think when he brings it, he really brings it. The beauty of it is in the next 15 to 20 years of this podcast, we are going to find out what the answer to this question is. I'm a big speed guy.

But I just thought that order needed to be restored in the universe. There's a lot of recency bias going on. Tons. I wasn't happy. You can't discount that. If we're doing this in 2014, obviously it's much different because speed isn't speed. But Rory is Rory and people are just going nuts for Rory. So if Rory has another, like, egg of a season, what do you, like?

Yeah, I still don't think that would even be that big of a deterrent. He's still 28 years old. Okay. I'm just wondering where you start to feel like, okay, like if he hasn't won in two years. I would say, like, if he has as bad as season next year as he had this year, then I'd be like, wow, there's a serious reason for concern. But this past year he's injured for much of the year,

never kind of got it going. Got married. He's playing. And then the whole reason that he's been on my brain is because he was in the news last week for adding the Honda Classic back to his schedule. So he's going to be playing a really intense, heavy schedule at the beginning of the year to get ready for the masters. He also is going to keep his buddy Harry Diamond, who has an unbelievable name.

He's 100% keeping that guy because of his name. I'm sure they're friends. I'm sure they've been through a lot together. But Harry Diamond is a great catty name. He's keeping his buddy Harry Diamond on the bag. So he's been in the news a little bit. He's making it clear with his decisions, going in the next year that he's taking it very seriously. He's trying to ramp up.

He's playing a pack schedule. He was on my brain. I was drunk. I tweeted this. And all these people voting for Speed. Speeth is fun. He's a very good golfer, but there is nothing quite like when Rory's playing well. No, Rory's the most electrifying guy in this crop.

It's not even really that close. He puts, I mean, he puts asses in the seat. Speeth is, he's the American kid, everybody who loves him, blah, blah, blah. Rory is a big dick swinging motherfucker. And we are going to transition this into the first from the gallery question. First, we have to say that from the gallery is brought to you by Ruff and Rowdy. The hype level for this is getting well-being. beyond what I ever could have imagined it would be.

It's really something like I am legitimately very, very excited for this fight. Everyone should be. I'm excited. I'm nervous. I'm like pretty nervous for the fight. So nervous. You know? Brickie,

are you going to be there? Yeah, I want to be on the ropes with a camera. Oh, that's right. On the actual mat. Last year I was there is the best event I've ever been to in my entire life. Someone took a punch right in the corner. Blood went on my face.

I had to hold it for the rest. I mean, I still haven't gotten, I should have gotten tested. That's how craziest place is. I had blood all over me. It was a great. event I've ever been to my life. I wouldn't change a thing. And I cannot wait to be back on the ropes.

I wasn't even asked to be on the ropes. I asked to be on the ropes. For this year. For this year. Based on how good it was last year. Yeah, because now we have cameraman. Last time, it was just me, Pete, and Dave. Now it's like we have like a full crew.

I'm like, I want to be back on the mat. Let's do this. Who do you guys got? Who do you guys think he's going to win this thing? I think Hank is going to kill him. I do too. Now, the only reason that I was even more confident in that a few days ago. But I'm walking out of the office on Friday

And I bump into All-Business Pete And Pete, what do you think? He's getting all ready. He's got all this tech shit going on. I said, Pete, what do you think about the fight? And he goes, people are sleeping on techs. I don't like that. And I was like, interesting, All-Biz.

And he was just like, like, Tech's going to win. So All-Biz are pretty... I think all the people that went to the event last year, I think me, myself, Dave, and Pete are kind of getting wrapped up in the event that we were at. So it's like we experienced it with, Tex and we think like how insane of an event one was that adds value

to the fight because Texx was there. He went through it. He sat there. Tex was like the 35th fight last year. He got to watch 34 of the fights go before him. People getting fucking knocked out. And he got to watch the way you do it, how fast it is. Like he got a feel for all that stuff. He got in the ring. He lasted what?

I think he lasted three rounds. Three rounds. So like he got through two rounds. He sees how fast-paced it is. Man, do I think that adds value? But I was telling you. I was and davis i really do think like i think that hank has the ability to do the one punch and knock him out i don't think tex says i think tex has the ability to get back up but i think hank owns that punch he has more reach he's he's bigger i think he's heavier i think he has a chance to really knock him out i think

i don't think techs can knock out hang i very much think the people that are picking texts they look at tex and they're like that's a guy who is going to like murder someone in a ring they know it's not as much based on what he can do in with actual fighting it's that he's that he's that he's He looks like a psychopath. So I think, because I think Hank hands down, athleticism, all that is going to beat the shit out of Tex. Or, yeah. But I just think that people look at Tex and they bet on him because he looks like a murderer. Yeah, I would say if Tex had never, ever, ever been in a physical altercation before,

he would be getting a lot more respect. But he has been in like five or six physical altercations at this point and gotten killed every time. We have seen him get murdered. So for those that don't know, these are our two coworkers. They all sit in the office together. They work together. They're going to fight each other. You could pay $99.

I'm sorry, $99.99 for a boxing pay-per-view, and you would be an idiot. Because we've got you covered at Rough and Rowdy for just $9.99. It really is an unbelievable. It's just a steal. I can't even imagine that people pay $10.x that for people to watch people basically just shadow box. To hug and... Hug and grapple. It's not even textress.

Tex-Rank is like just 1% of how awesome this event is. There have been backstories. Go on barstle.com and watch these stories. Just type in Rough and Rowdy in the search bar and watch all of these stories of all these fighters. I mean, we have people who are dump truck drivers that are actually calling out janitors saying, like, I'm a dump truck driver.

How dare you speak to me when you're a janitor? That's a funny thing in the world. You are fucking scum of the earth if you're a janitor. I'm a truck driver. Like girlfriends are on the line. I mean, people are doing bids. Bids. They call going to jail bids.

I did a three-year bid. for like tackling police officers naked. That guy's girlfriend said she got drunk and fought three police officers while naked. Right. And the whole town knows about it. They call her like mishandcuffs. It's like nuts. The whole entire thing is nuts.

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Get it now because you don't know where this price. Because it's going to be sold to man. Why would we stop there? That's true. Dude, $9.99 is insane. Nothing. And I'm not even kidding. There's 40 fights.

You're going to get so much value out of that. $9.99. Do it. So, Christian asked a question. It's very pertinent to our discussion from a few minutes ago. He said, if you had to remove one of these top guys to replace with Tiger, who would it be? DJ, Speath, Justin Thomas, Rory McElroy, or Ricky Fowler. One of them, you just pluck them, they're out, they're out.

They're done. They're retired forever because Tiger's got to go somewhere. Oh, I see the, okay, I understand the question now. Now I get it. I thought it was the other way. Okay. I was thinking of it. I thought we were saying, like, who would we want to be our tiger?

Yes, that's what I thought too. Okay. Nope. You're saying one of these five is out. They're done. They're dead. Got it. Because you've got to make room for tiger.

Basically, it's just, you're just removing one of these guys. Yeah. I'm going with Justin Thomas. Stole my one. Really? Yeah. I don't like him. Really?

I find him the least. He's like a robot. Yeah. His swing is robotic. He is a robot himself. Every time he wins takes the same pick. He's just very robotic. I almost want to say,

DJ, but DJ's brand of golf, the way he plays. So much fun. Paulina is so much fun. How can I even think about that? This is a process of elimination, because they're all great. Yes. But JT. to me is, yes, he's robotic.

Those other guys all have a pretty good flare to him. Speed, maybe not as much, but he is so talented that you know, like, you need him around on short. Yeah, he's our guy. He's our top, he's our top USA dog. He's our young guy with our three majors. He's like, he's our hero. Fowler is, he's like the flashy, doesn't have a major yet, we all want him to get one.

I think Speed is so much our guy that that's why you kill Justin Thomas because he's like threatening to try and be everyone's guy. I'm stunned because we all agree. I was going to say JT too, but with the year that it had, I feel like he's super likable that I thought for sure I was going to be the only one that said JT, but I'm definitely killing off JT. I'm murdering him. Yeah, he's like, it's not even closer, right?

It is crazy after the year that he had the world. I thought we were going to have the recency bias thing that we just. It's like worked in the opposite. The other guys are just too likable. I mean, it's nothing against him. It's just the other guys have too much of a personality. DJ would be the, like I said, DJ would only be the other one because he, he is so boring off the course, but he is so good when you watch him play. And Paulina helps for me.

But DJ would be the only other one. He's so easy to root for though, DJ. Because he hits that long ball. He's great. He went through like tough times. And I mean, his, his father-in-law wouldn't be able to play in the NHL. I'm not going to do that. Oh, I see where you're going to.

Don't bring that in here. I'm not going to bring it to this little dojo. Don't bring your garbage station in this golf podcast. No, no, no. But, yeah, I think it's JT. I follow JT on Twitter, too, and he does this thing on these, he's a huge Alabama fan football. He does this thing that really irks me so much. He goes, he always writes, happy game day, comma, you guys.

And for some reason the comma, he does it after every single one. For some reason that you guys pisses me off. Like, I don't know why. You just can't handle it. I just can't handle it. It's like, happy. Like, it's game day. You guys.

Oh, yeah, it kind of kills the energy. Like, you guys, like, who are you talking to? I don't know. Who are these guys? Like, who, why do you have to write that after every single one? I don't know, whatever. It's just a little thing. You know how sometimes you just have a thing?

Totally. That's my thing. No, it's not. I guess all of us killing JT is surprising, but it's also not. DJ's got the games. Speed is our American hero. Rory is his A game is the best in the world. And Fowler is like flashy and cool.

JT is just like, he's very a good golfer, clearly. He's just one of the best. Doesn't bring much to the table in terms of... Yeah, it's funny because I went through and I, you know, all of the other four on there, I immediately said, nope, can't do it, nope, can't do it, nope, can't do it, nope, can't do it. Then I looked at JT was like, yep, I could do it. And then that was it. He's a victim to his peers, really.

Because he, yeah, because all those other guys are something else. It is. It is. I'm a little surprised by the answer. And then, yeah, if you want to flip it the way Frankie and I have thought, who would be our tiger, I want it to be Rory. Hmm I think

No I needed to be American Yeah I was about I don't know if that was like a weird thing to say But I think it has to be It's got to be an American It's got to be Sveed I would go Sbeath for sure Just because he's yeah I mean he's ever since he could fix up the hair

He's been like my guy Okay I thought he was like I never thought that he could be That I ever thought he could be Tiger Woods With that head of hair he was going towards It was so young when that went When that he was he would take off his hat

have to winning the biggest tournaments of the year. It's like, ooh, you're not like cheering for him. You're like, put the hat back on. Get them off the screen. Get them off the screen. Like, you really fixed that up. Fix it real nice. It's a real nice house.

I mean, that LeBron did the same thing. Your boss, or all of our bosses, did the same thing. Yeah, you know, you fix up there when you get a little bit of money. Frankie, I got a touchy subject for Frankie when you pointed that out. Yeah. Yeah, like, doesn't want to talk about that. What do you mean? We don't really talk.

His hair looks great. It does. It looks fantastic. All right. So we had the pet peeves from last week became a big one. Yeah, that was a really good one. Predictably, we got a ton of responses, a ton of submissions. We're going to kind of just go through a couple of these and just see where we end up.

So David, he wrote, when someone chirps your choice of short game shot around the green after you hit a shitty shot. So inferior. This is such a good one. This is like. I can't believe I didn't think of this one, too, because. because I'm a weird short game player where I used putter and stuff. Like I did this at Bayonne where I used putter like three feet into the freaking rough. Like everyone's looking at me like, look at this guy.

And like I end up hitting a good shot. It's like when I make a decision like that, I know it's risky. Yep. I don't want anyone to tell me it's risky. I'm not an idiot. I understand it's like a weird move. But then when I, when it doesn't work, when I'm really confident and I do something and it doesn't fucking work, I never feel lower than that moment. Like I'm going to do something.

It's my idea. Everyone else doesn't believe in me. And then you like dribble it. And, like, you hear that guy go, like, should have taken the sandwich. That's the most of my fucking... I know I should have taken the sandwich. Like, we all know I should have taken the sandwich. There's no one debating that.

I just suck. Yep. This is the worst thing a guy can say. This, this drives you. And it's the worst part is, like, he said, he waits till after you hit his shitty shot. Right. Yeah, dude, I fucking know. I just hit a horrific shot.

Like, everyone on the planet, like, the fucking squirrel running up the tree over there. Oh, like, knows that, hey, Riggs, maybe she had a bump and run there, dude. Right. What do you do it? Do you think I want to hit that shot? Right. No. He's not, yeah, you're not trying to do something. No.

Nope. Brutal. It's a good one. Yeah. We got another one from Tim who says, when someone gives you tips based on their own bad shot, i.e., like when they leave a putt way short, and say, careful, the greens are really slow. This is such a good one because it's so fucking true. And everybody does it. Oh, yeah.

Right. You'll hit a fucking, you'll just, you hit one too hard, and it runs 12 feet by the hole. And you just go, flying. Man, it's green's. buzz in today. I don't so much hate this one that everyone, because everyone knows what's happening in the moment. Yeah.

And your turn is probably coming up in a couple of holes. It still messes with your brain. A little. You know, the guy's like, oh, dude, careful. These are fast. Like, dude, you just, you hit it with a hammer. Like, relax. Well, it's like, and then you're like,

you also, I don't know if it's on you when you ask, though, because, like, if I see you leave it put, maybe 10 feet short, I'm going to ask you, like, are the green slow. Yeah. So it's almost like on me for asking, but then, like, I told. Totally based my putt off of that. I don't look at it at all.

I'm just like, he hit it way short. I'm just going to crush this thing. Big time. Kind of along the same lines was the conversation last week about when someone hits a shot on a part three. And then they just start telling everyone what they hit. You know, it's like. Oh, yeah, we touched on this one. It's like, oh, I hit a soft seven.

Right. It's like, no, everyone's like, oh, do I take a six? You swung hard at that seven. I know you did. So this guy said, what are the, What is a protocol or how frustrated you get when an opponent in a match asks you what club you hit on a part three? Because technically that's not allowed, but like we're all going to, we're all just going to tell them anyways. So it's kind of a tricky spot.

I, I'll, like, I basically just won't respond. Right. Right. Like if I, if I, if my team has the honor, because we always play fucking two on two Nassol always. And if my team's got the honor and I hit like a good six hire or something that gets, God, wow, it's a good shot. it hit. I literally, I won't say it word. I think I've asked you. I don't think I got a response. Yeah, I won't even say like, ha ha, like, fuck you. I just walk to your bag.

I just literally, I'll, like, give a smirk and just like, I'll cover my club up. Yeah, like, and then I'll go like, figure it out. Right. And I'll go, like, to hide my golf bags. You can't do process elimination. So I do that all the time. But, I mean, I feel like, if you're asking people, if you're asking somebody on the other team what they hit, you're kind of an asshole. I agree. I mean, it just depends on, like, you have to get a vibe for the match. Yeah, that's true. Because, like, honestly, if I match my swing and my distance to closely to you, the closest

out of the entire group, like, why would, you know what I mean? Like, me and you hit the same ball, and we hit the same distance, and we both know we hit the seven iron in the same way. I want to know what you hit because, like, the guys and everyone else in the group, I can't really compare myself to. Yeah. No, that's true. But then you're in a match. It's like, well, that, that, you even gives you more of a reason not to tell me. Right. Because you're giving me the perfect information.

And it's like, don't, like, why, don't you put me in the spot to be the asshole that won't give you the evidence? Right. It's like, what am I going to do this all day too? It's like, just because we're on the T-box, now I'm going to tell you what I'm hitting. Right. It's weird. We step on this, like, just flattened area and all of a sudden now, I want to give you

this information. Right. Now we're catty. I wouldn't tell you. I wouldn't tell you in the fair way. So I just argued with myself. Yeah. I'm with George.

That was, that was, see, I'm, I'm less, I don't really care about that one. Because I, I'm not, we don't, we don't play a ton of matches. So I just, we just, we just, doesn't even fucking matter. We just tell each other. See, that's fine. Yeah, that's totally fine. But if, again, if it's like an opponent, you got a tense. We're on like the 16th hole.

It does say, it does say opponent. So, yeah, that makes sense. Next one, this guy, Michael says, my pet peeve is basically for everyone to get their lips off my ball. Stop talking with my ball is in flight or rolling a noise the crap out of it. How do you guys feel like this? Get your lips off my ball. That's fucking, I've never heard that before. Yeah, I don't know if he's trying to make that a phrase, but that's not real.

No. Is he saying, get your lips off my ball? I've heard it a couple times without that. I've heard that before. Like, if I told your ball, like, kick and you told me, like, get your lips off my ball. That's exactly what it is. That's crazy person. Yeah, I agree with that.

I think the person saying get your lips on my ball is like, it needs to be checked. I agree with that. In any scenario where one person is anyone saying, get your lips off my ball, they're the crazy person. Yes. Like, I'm rooting for you. Your ball. I mean, I understand that it's annoying. It probably pisses to you a ball up, especially when you hit a bad shot.

It's like, I just shank this thing right, and everyone's, like, asking for it to hit a tree and, like, kick left. Like, kick left. It's like, that fucking thing's in the tree. Stop talking about my ball. But, like, honestly, if I hit one and it looks like it's about to go to a bunker and everyone's like, like, is it there? Is it going to make? Is it going to make it? I don't mind that.

Yeah, because I'm kind of saying that too to myself. Yeah, I agree with that. I think to get your lips off by ball guy is an asshole. Need a relax. Yeah. Right. I thought Michael was saying that he doesn't mind when people say that, but he is, he came up with get your lips off my ball. Right.

He's saying, right. He's saying my pet peeve is. And then he's saying pet peeve is get your lips off my ball. If you imagine someone hitting a ball on the flight, like, and it's in the air and someone just says something and he turns around mid like flight and just goes, get your lips off my ball. I'd be like, we're done. Yeah. Listen, buddy. It was great playing with you.

We're just going to go ahead. Why don't you like, and you and your ball and your lips can just hang out behind us? The one thing I will say about commenting or, like, giving, you know, talking to people's ball in the air is it's very dependent on serious or sarcastic. Like, if I'm playing a magic against somebody and I hit one on in the front of the green and it's like catches a false front and starts to roll off. And the guy I'm playing against rolls by it. He's like, keep rolling. Keep rolling. Like, I'll laugh every time.

I think that's really funny. Right. But, again, if it's like a pretty intense moment around coming off a shitty hole or something and somebody, what I fucking can't stand is if you hit like, you hit like, you. You blatantly slice one way right. And somebody's like, draw, draw, like. It's not drawing, dude. It's literally like, it is the most left or right ball flight of all time. Everybody knows it's not drawn.

Or you hit one just out. It's like, oh, it didn't turn that time. It's like, I just didn't hit it right. What do you mean it didn't turn? Like, it's a horrible shot. I got my Xbox controller at home, and I didn't hit enough fucking spin in the air because, like, I just hit a bad shot. Like, come back. What did you come back?

I didn't turn that time. Usually it turns Were you aiming that way? Usually it turns Get your lips off my ball, bro. We got another, so we had a guy, so we had the big top spin debate. We got a million reactions.

Most of them, just like on the original Twitter poll, are dumb. Yeah. People sending us links to someone like topping a shot in the fairway, and then it goes down into the ground, bounces up, and then starts rolling with top spin. we're bouncing with topspin, and they're like, look, this has topspin.

Yes, it has top spin at a point, but it's not originally. Topspin is not enacted upon the ball. So we did have one trusty source. We're going to keep him anonymous, but he works for Trackman. Obviously, knows his shit, knows spin, knows all of that. He's had longtime Stooley here native to Metro Boston. Love what you guys do. Thank you very much.

I just happen to work in golf technology discussing topics like this all the time. I would love to weigh in. You can indeed create top spin on a ball by creating negative spin loft. Basically, the loft and the club at impact needs to be very, very low and you have to have a positive

attack angle. So essentially what this means is the ball needs to be teed up in the air. And you have to almost have shaft like shaft lean that would make the club have like negative loft. Okay. Right? So if you have a driver with like 9 degree loft, you would have to angle

your hands like shaffling forward to the point where like you'd almost be horizontal with the club. Got it. at that point. And then hit up on it. So it's basically what we said last time where you almost have to come up on the ball. That's what the positive. That's what positive attack angle means.

Yeah, with a lean like that. Who's doing that? So what he says is this is virtually a possible scenario to replicate by accident and incredibly difficult to replicate even if you're trying to do it. So a machine could do it in a basically like a player with a sole purpose all day of doing this could do it. But on any random shot that Joe Schmo. hits where he's like, oh, I topped it. That has topspin.

You people are fucking idiots that say that. Or people that are like, oh, no, when you draw the ball, that has topspin. No, it doesn't. It just has, like, the minimal amount of backspin for a T-shot, and that's why people say, oh, yeah, you get it going through the wind of the topspin. It's all relative. So thank you to our trackman guy for that. I said that to a bunch of people, particularly my roommate Lurch, who was right.

So I had to admit that I was wrong, which was tough. Wait, you said that you could create top spin? I said it's impossible to create top thing even if you tried to. So the answer is you can, but it's like impossible. Technically. No, the answer is you can do it. It would never occur in the course of play. It's basically impossible for it to occur in the course of play.

You got to do some fucking weird. You would have to be standing there with like, in my brain, I believe you'd have to be standing there with the ball teed like way up. And your hands like three feet in front of the golf ball with the driver like behind it and hit up on it with like a negative loft. You don't have to like. Which is like crazy. Hit it into the ground your club and the club bounces up and hits it off the T going up. With a little bit of top spin and you did it. Right.

I did it. I think that's hit the ball two inches. That's pretty much what it is. We had Scooter who asked basically a really simple question. He said he's a pretty bad golf. He golfs like 15 times a year. He just got down to the point where he can break 100 or shoots right around 100. And he's been contemplating for years if it's worth it or not to get a lesson.

This is kind of a little bit more serious of a thing than we usually talk about. out but I just wanted to say, I don't know if you guys have ever had lessons. Frank, have you ever had lessons? I had one lesson. Okay. I only used my driver. Oh, really? Oh, yeah.

Trent had you? I've never had a lesson, no. I just would like to say that I firmly believe it is worth it because they're not that expensive. A lot of times you can get a lesson with your local pro or something, depending on if you don't live in like a super expensive city for, you know, a lot of times you get like 40, 50 bucks for an hour. Yeah. And even if you get a couple of them, you spend a hundred bucks, the knowledge of, you

what you actually should be doing is massive. And I think a lot of people have this misconception that you're going to go in, you're going to get a lesson, and they're just going to teach you what like where your club should be if you're Roy McElroy, and that's not correct. They know, they do this real living. They understand your strengths, your weaknesses, and they're going to be able to tell you,

they're going to be able to physically show you the movements and where your club needs to be for you to have the most effective, consistent results with your swing and that is all you really need to get out of it unless you're going to do like a whole reformation of your golf game which 99% of people aren't able to do that kind of commitment. So yes, it is massively huge and it really, really, really helps. I did it for the first time like two and a half years ago or so. And just understanding what's wrong, what's right, the sensations in the field and all of that

goes an unbelievably long way. And the last thing I'll say about it is when you're on the golf course and you're three or four holes in and you're hitting the ball like shit, actually having an idea of what you're Why is the biggest game changer of the world. That was my biggest takeaway is the mental stuff. So it's like you hear what he told you. Not necessarily do you like vision exactly what you're supposed to be doing. But it's more of like, oh, he told me I should, in my head, my specific teacher told me you have way too long of a back swing.

He showed me on the video. He's like your shaft is hitting your neck. You have John Dalying it. You don't have like that crazy of a swing. In your head, swing 50% on a back swing. Take it back 50% mentally. Right. So I'm like, okay, let me do that.

And he goes, stop. It shows me on the video. And it's perfectly exactly where it should be on the video. And it felt like 50% in my brain. That's insane. So I'm not actually physically doing it 50% but just mentally, I'm like, let me just take it back 50% and then hit it. I'm not kidding. It changed my game because now I always say, like just shorten your backslings.

And you see, I have a pretty long back swing even still. Yeah. But it's just a mental thing. It's like just take a shorter back swing and just come through the ball and you'll be fine. And I do it all the time. I think that's the strongest part of my game is my driver somehow. It is. You get a great driver swing.

And then, like, I had never taken an iron lesson. And, I mean, that just shows. Yeah, I think the other, like, it's funny, if you, if anybody out there, you go out there and you go to the range and you have one of your buddies, just film one of your swings, people will be appalled at how different their swing looks from how it feels. Oh, my goodness. Like the positions that you're closed in, you'll see it and be like, oh, I thought I was like here or there. When he told me to swing 50% show me the video, I, like, I told him you're lying. I'm like, you're a liar. Because you legit thought you were like, I'm like, yeah, I'm like, I'm like 50%.

I'm going to chip this. He's like, swing 50%. And I crushed one. I'm like, what did I just do? He's like, you just swung perfectly. Like, that just shows it. I was swinging 150%. Like, I was going so over the top.

But in my head, I'm like, that's just all I knew. It's crazy. That was years ago, so now it just feels natural. Yeah, I have no allegiance to PG. GA professionals out there, teaching pros, nothing like that at all. And I'm telling you, in my opinion, is incredibly worth it, especially like this guy said, playing 15 rounds a year. You do the math on that, what it comes down to, you know, the lessons, what that's going to put in your brain for the next couple of years.

It's honestly a no-brainer. I also got, you know, the guy that helped me out with it. I still text him from time to time. I'll send him like, he'll be like, shoot me a fucking video. You're sway. Oh, yeah, you're here. Get there. Go out.

All of a sudden. You're flushing. You're like, Jesus, that was easy. Yeah. It's a no-brainer. I think it's very worth it. it's Christmas season. I want to talk a little bit about the best and the worst golf Christmas gifts.

So we talked to, Frankie and I talked about this a little bit earlier. Somebody said this in. I can't remember his name. I forgot to write his name down. But the one thing that I will say is the worst Christmas gift by far is just getting really shitty golf balls that you're ever going to use. Yeah. And that's the person thinks they're doing you a favor. And then you're just like, thank you.

It's tough. Yeah. Then you got to lug them right. So we, you know, Trent and I live all the way across the country. You're going to lug them back from Christmas at home. You're going to take this dozen golf balls that stink? I think our golfers' obsession with names of grand golf balls is a problem. We need to buy the expensive golf balls.

We have this thing in our head where we need a certain golf ball, which we're not, I mean, most people are not playing at a level where these balls are making that much of a difference for us. The only thing I'll stop you on there, Frankie. We have Michael Brees on this point. Michael Breed made a case that will make you rethink that very much. Michael Breed made a case like you feel like you need ProV1s like in your ball sack basically. You're using the wrong fucking. No, it's like he, because we've, I felt that same way. I think Riggs might have too right off the bat.

And then Michael Breed broke it down for a full 20 minutes about why getting good. No matter what level of golfer you are. He made it. Frankie sound like if you're worse, you need ProV1s even cool. It was insane. But like someone that doesn't know how much spin they're putting on. Yes. Really? Frankie, he broke it down.

This was so long ago, I can't remember all the details. I mean, the crux of it was if you're, you wanted to be able to hit it as close as possible, and the bad balls have more runouts. So, like, those little inches that you get with the good balls makes that much of a difference in terms of strokes. Wow. But he broke it down way more than that. His breakdown, you should have seen people tweeting at us. Like, people were like, if I ever see someone not using a Provee 1 ever again, I'm going to basically.

Oh, my. It does it. I'm going to consider them the, Completely goes against common sense. You think, like, I'm a shitty golfer. I'm used shitty balls. And then if I get better, I'll use better ones. It's the complete opposite.

Wow. Yes. I mean, it was nuts. It was nuts. That was my exact question. I said, you know, for the average golfer who says, hey, I stink. I'm going to shoot 95 to 105. And matter what I do, why would I spend all my money on the nice ball?

Dude, he was so ready. It was like somebody teed. I was like Trent gave him the question before the podcast started. Like he knew exactly. He just destroyed it. Oh, my. He's a huge golf ball guy. Yeah.

So he's also, he's also sponsored by titleists. Right. So we've grilled him on that. Okay. Okay. And he just, I mean, now can we get a bridge stone? Like, like tigers using Bridgest stone. Well, no.

He even said, like he was saying like the nicest ball, basically. You know, he was. Right, right, right. But whatever. Yeah, yeah, he couldn't say. So that even makes my, I mean, like, someone gives you a box of noodles for Christmas, like your aunt. And it's like, hey, no, you're a golfer. Here's this box.

I got it. Like, like, like, the local sporting store. It's like, thanks. Like, so you're never going to use them now. It's just tough. Right. a waste of a present. That's what I mean.

You waste your fucking money. You know, it's like, it's like, I'm never going to use that ball. Never. I have, like, I have like four dozen balls in my room in my apartment in New York that I, I'll never use. Because then you can't, I can't throw them away, right? What kind of a dickhead gets a present? Unwraps it. Can't use it, though.

Ever. Can't use them. Because, like, then some people start, you start. And then, can you imagine using a noodle ball on the golf course and, like, and me being like, hey, Riggs, what are you playing? It's like a noodle. Imagine that show me. Imagine the, excuse.

cool stoolie invites me out to play wingfoot I show up on the first tee, hit my ball out there, they're looking in the rough. Oh, is this you here, Riggs? Noodle. Fucking precept. Noodle, what is that? Right. No. You have way too much. Your reputation as a golfer lies

on with what ball you use. Right. I mean, that's what I always thought. That's why I originally thought you use a preceptor noodle or a top flight. It's like I'm a bad golfer if I use a provie one. But I guess Michael. Michael Bred. I guess Michael Bred just totally mind-fucked me with his balls.

Imagine the caddies. Golf balls. The caddy and your host and everybody walk up. Is this you here, Riggs? Noodle? Oh. You're done.

Excuse me, sir. We're going to have to revoke your privileges of playing here. We ordered you an Uber. It'll be. It'll meet you out front. Jesus. The best Christmas gifts.

Well, I'm struggling with this because I want to, I'm in the market for new clubs. So I'm like trying to figure out what, do I want, like, do you want someone buying you irons? No. No. Impossible.

Do you want someone buying you a driver? No. These are all things you have to test out. So now clubs, I feel like are off the table for Christmas gifts. It's almost like golf's become too personalized now. Like if I got you a gift to a club, I don't know what the hell you want. Yeah, if you just got me a driver? You would know, like, this is ridiculous.

Well, then I would have to use it whenever I played with you. How dare you put this burden on me? Now I have to use a club I didn't even want in the first place. That would suck. Even if you wanted one. Like I would just give me the money. money to buy my own. Right.

Give me, give me the actual thing, because I don't want that one. Right, but then you go to the territory where you're kind of, like, it's kind of a jerk off move

to give, like, money or, like, a gift card to, there's no just general golf store gift card. There is. But, like, there's not,

but, like, I get gift cards, like the PGA super store. And I know I'm going there to buy a club. See, so you guys have those out near you? Yes.

See, okay. Because like St. Louis, we don't have those. Gotcha. So it would be different. I guess we have, like golf galaxy and shit right so now so you can do that that's what you should do yeah i want you get a new driver here's 400 bucks right it's got to be that so so taking clubs off the table what

would you say is the best gift uh see it's funny because i'm going to say now the exact opposite of what i said earlier which is just give me a box of pro me ones gotcha it's the best thing you can have yep so because then like two or three people get you a box pro b ones you're good for like half the season yeah it's like 120 bucks right there anyway right and it's like the worst thing in the worst thing in the worst thing in the world that you want to spend money on is new balls right because you know you're going to lose them at some point right exactly so that's pretty much like my family knows i get like a box of provis from everybody uh i hate i hate spending money on balls i'm losing them right away i played

with my buddy over the summer and i bought these really expensive bridge stones i'm like man like each ball's like four dollars and 25 cents man i just don't i feel like i'm holding a butter knife in my hand like i know this first one's going sideways and uh that it's such a frankie comment i got a butter knife he said it all whenever we play he talks about the butter knife he's like i got a I have a whole thing of silverware of my bag, man. Sometimes he'll go even further and say he's got a steak knife. Sometimes he's got those edges on it. And boy, those things scream.

I almost killed Riggs last time we played golf. Killed me. I mean, I put this fucking ball inches over his head because I hit this iron sideways. A low missile. Sideways iron. Dude. I came so close to hitting Riggs in the head with a golf ball that I actually almost shit my pants. Like I saw it going to him

It had just enough wallfly For me to realize what was happening And I screamed Get out Yeah Like something stupid like that Riggs get out Rig's get out

Rig's like It fucking just went Right over his head So I never saw it At any point I still have never seen it I just looked back And the look on their faces

Like I was like Frankie Francis Everybody Just looking like Like they had just seen a ghost I mean How was Riggs still standing

So this is Yeah So this is why I hold Bode and eyes My head Anyway I'm on the first tee I'm like $4.25 is on this T right now, and I don't feel good.

First ball. Four dollars. I'm not kidding. I'm not kidding. This first ball went right into the thickest bush ever. And it's just gone. I'm like, done. There's one ball.

Next shot into, so this is that wind watch. So the first hole is real tough, right? Shout out wind watch on Long Island. Oh, really tough. Real tough, right? So the first one went into this bush, gone forever. Reading there last time. We'll get to that.

Right. Second hole, the second shot into the houses. Gone. $9. Gone. Yep. I'm only, I have one ball left. I'm like, I put in my bag and I got out a shitty ball.

I'm like, I can't do this. I cannot lose a whole sleeve mentally on the first hole. I can't do it. I didn't because I didn't swing that last ball. I think I still have that last ball. So the only time I ever played Windwatch out of Long Island, there's a freaking wedding reception. It's a big wedding place.

Coming out, as we're teeing off, like the highest point at the whole place, I guess, is on like the first team. And it's like, you know, there's like five different tee box than the first tee. It's like the third T-box in. Right. Is where they all take the pictures? I don't even know if we're explaining this, the gravity of this situation. It was unbelievable.

We're playing the tips. Yeah. Okay. And we have three righties in the group. I'm a lefty. So if you're standing on the T-box, you can vision this. You're all the way back, right? So the tips are usually, what, like 30, 40 yards behind where the whites would be.

Yep. So we're on the tips. And it's to the left. Now the white T-box is about 35 to 40 yards forward. and just a little bit to the right. Maybe like 10 yards to the right. 10 years to the right. And there is a goddamn wedding party lined up.

Six bridesmaids, six groomsmen, all in one line. And we are 30 yards behind them, 10 yards to the left, facing just to the left of them. And we're like, they were fearless, too. And people have Lurch, your buddy, had an iron in his head. And he's like, I don't want to do this. He's like, these people are. are so in line for me to just fucking hit a low liner that it was like we almost didn't play the whole.

I mean, you imagine ruining somebody's entire wedding? Right. There was a 70% chance of doing it. That's how close they were. It was the most nerve-wracking T-shot I've ever seen. They just didn't care. They just didn't care. I don't think they just, I don't think they got it.

Like they just didn't even get. They're like, oh, these golf people are fine over here golfing on the left. You know how easy is to hit a 30-yard forward, like just a low hook, like a whole low liner? Because it was far enough for you to really, like, not even hit that bad of a shot and still hit them in the head. Whatever. Oh, God. It was insane. Windwatch.

Anybody who's ever out in Long Island at Windwatch on the first team. Just imagine that white T-box. Imagine that it's just covered with, I don't know, 12, 14 people. Put some damn water on that golf course, too. No water. Oh, yeah. No water bottles. Oh, that's the water.

That was the place. No water coolers. Can we get some water? Good old Windwatch. The thing I have to add about the golf balls is ever since Tigers come back, we see. we said ProVee like a hundred times. Now we're on the Bridgestone ball with the B. Love the B.

Apparently they're sending some to the office. So we might be Bridgestone guys now. Damn. Haven't determined yet. I don't really, I don't know how we're not going to be. I mean, the B makes the whole difference.

Like Tigers is a bridge stone. I don't. I think we have to be. We have to be. The B is huge. And I actually have bought that same exact sleeve. I don't know. People can fact check me on this.

But I think that you can buy his exact ball where it says bridgestone on it. It doesn't always come in the B. Yeah. I think the B is like their new thing, their new marketing thing. Yeah, because I've gone to, like, a country club actually bought them. And so it may have just been like an old sleeve. Yeah.

And, I mean, it said Bridgeton, I was devastated. Yeah, that's off. Same exact ball. Devastated. Our guy hit me is like, you guys want the B? I was like, we need to be. We want the B. Why?

I don't even think the other one is a ball. Yeah, that doesn't. That's like that can. Yeah, I can't do that. So, yeah, we might be, you know, the sales team's not going to be happy about this part. Nope. We can be bought out next year. But we're, I mean, we.

might be doing a shift to Bridgestone here. I'm all aboard that. Yeah. Look, when he's like winning majors again and shit and he's like, he's dropping balls in on the edge of the hole and you just see that B, we're not going to be using the B. I'm like, I'm like, I'm Birelli. It's like got my letter on it. I'm like, that's all I'm all in on the B.

I mean, come on. Damn. BDT. There we go. Okay. I got to be that. We're all Bs. We're all B guys.

It's like a personalized ball now. It's like crazy. Yeah, we're all bridgestone guys. Send us a bunch of balls. Yeah. All right. I think that's all we got. Is that all we had this week?

I had actually a couple of just quick additional pet peeves. Let's go. Do you want to add these? Yes. What do you? Okay. I actually got this one sent in from a guy named Benjamin. Another B.

Yeah, another B. Use a Bridgeton. I love this. This is now a Bridgeton ad. The guy who puts with a glove on. Oh, great one. You said this one earlier. This one fucking infuriates me.

Trent, are you a person that? Yes. God damn it. I am. I'm sorry. I was hoping you weren't even going to throw it my way, but I just do it. I don't know. Fuck off, Tray.

I know. I knew that wasn't going to be a popular opinion. Come on. It just happened. Why does it matter? Because the only thing you can do in golf, you can be playing horrible, just look like you know what you're doing. That's what I always say. I'll shoot the worst score ever.

I just want to know that like when someone looks in the distance and they see me on the green, I have my glove off. I have it in my back pocket. The fingers are sticking out. The back pocket look is great. The back pocket look is great. Just look good. Just look good. I'm actually going to start keeping a glove at my desk and just put in my back pocket when I go to the bathroom and stuff.

Do you understand? Just look so good. We should make that at the combine, remember? Yeah. We should make that an accessory for everyday life. It's not even a real glove. It just looks like one that sticks out of your bag. We should almost create golf pants that like just at the back pocket, just like fingers pop out.

You already have a minute. I agree with that. I think we might have to do that. It might be the new four-play pants. So I can't even watch. We talked about Lexi Thompson earlier. I can't even watch her highlights. Because she puts with the glove on?

He's a glove on, but it's, is she also, she matches her glove color to her outfit. So she'll be putt with like a teal outfit on and a teal glove. Oh my God. People use black golf gloves and it's not weather gloves. I mean, I mean. Now, I mean, you can. Would you just get off your Harley Davidson? Did you like, did you just like trek your golf clubs there like on like a skateboard?

Use a, use a traditional golf glove. It's not that hard. Do you use black golf gloves? No, I don't. Yeah, that's what I said. Right. Because that's the only kind of color that it comes in. It comes in that color because they're different.

Right. Because they're rain gloves. But this is the thing that I don't like. This is like when you're, sorry, it's your computer. This is the thing I don't like where it's like, you can't do this, you can't do that. That's not, that fun. It's not that fun. I understand that.

It's like an annoying. It's fun to do. It's fun to wear your glove in your back pocket. That's fun. It's fun. It's fun to have nice, cool looking gloves. In high school baseball, he's a, buy brand new gloves because I wanted to look like like Derek Jeter and A-Rot with these nice

brand-new white gloves. I used to spend like $40 a week on gloves because it's cool. That's cool. Yeah. I agree. And like walking up to the green and then taking off your glove and like slipping it into your back pocket because, oh, hey, I'm on the green. It's putting time now.

Can I sure? When I went to this tournament in Augusta called the Masters, I sat on the first tee. You guys were all with me. But for this one, it was Sunday. So I was alone. And I sat on the first tee. for all the first guys to come off and tee off. And I watched Jordan Speed do this thing with his glove.

So he took a brand new glove out of his bag. And he spanked this thing around like crazy, right? So he took a glove out of the bag, smacked it on his other hand, like, pop, pop, pop, puff, pop, puff, just going crazy, going crazy. Then he slapped it on his leg and stretched out all the fingers. And I was like, this is the coolest thing ever. He's, like, preparing this glove for battle. And I do that all the time now when I get a new one.

Really? I never heard of that. Oh, yeah. He did it. He was talking to his catty. He was smacking the shit out of it. It's like when you get a new baseball glove and you put it on your mattress. Yeah.

Yeah. So he was doing it on the first tee. He was pulling the fingers. He was smacking it around. Yeah, he took it right out of his bag. Really? Oh yeah. It was really cool.

Real cool. I fucking, I got to start doing that. Yeah, it was really, really cool. That's great. The sound of me, it's like, like you hear like, just like smacking going on. Like someone just like letting out like the dust of a rug. No, it's Jordan Speed ready to win the master.

Yeah, that's like, if you rolled up to a range and started doing that, people will be like, holy shit. Like, is that glove not ready already? Like, what is... That guy is going to be striping the ball in range. Yeah, like, you need to do something specific to have that glove be ready for you. Wow. That is nice. Breaking it in.

You got to break it in before you... It's unbelievable. Yeah, so that's a little tip. If you want to look cool on the first day, smack that thing around a little bit. And always, even if it's an old glove, I think you should bring... You should always hold on to the plastic covering that it comes in. Yeah. It's almost like you have a golf club holder.

Come out. Like, you say, oh, how far is this first hole? Do you take it out of that? It's like, holy shit. Holy shit. Look at this guy. And then you do the whip thing? You do the whip, yeah, even if it's like two weeks old.

Yeah. Do it. Yeah, that's smart. Another quick one for me is, actually it's not really, oh, sorry, I mean, John DeVarver is just scored for the Islanders. Three-nothing, Islanders against the capitals. This is huge for me. Three-nothing? Three-nothing.

In the second period, let's fucking go, Nate eat my dick. For the second one is, I don't know if it's a pet peeve, it's more of a question. you're the first guy it's with having it's with picking up the flag does the first does the guy who always thinks the first put like is that are they

do they have to pick up the flag first do people think he's an asshole if they don't no but you should never let the guy that finishes last pick it up okay because I feel a lot of pressure if I hit that first put and like I have to walk around and like all of a sudden it's like now it's my pin I feel that pressure

a lot. I think generally it's your pin. I mean, do you personally be like this fucking guy doesn't pick up the pin? No, but this gets to the cart thing where it's just kind of a general efficiency

on the course. Okay. That people, you know, you get some people that just, they're just not very aware of people in general. Right. Just how things operate, right?

They're the same people, they like hold everybody up at the fucking turnstile when you get onto the subway. They're always like disoriented. It's like, no, we got a system here.

Like, we're going to be efficient. We're going to be fast. Someone should pick up the pen. You need to be just, generally aware so that we can operate with efficiency here. And that's, you know, you got to be, if you're one of the first two guys to put out, like if I'm ever the first guy to put out, if I ever put out and I'm not the last guy

on the green and the pin is still lying there, my radar immediately goes to the pin. Right. It's like that's my pin. There is nothing worse than watching a guy hit a put and then he reaches down and gets the pin. Brutal. So it does look so like amateur. It's like out on an island.

That's brutal. Yeah. Can't let that guy be out. I think sometimes that happens when like, All right, so let's say you last on a put, right? And everyone's, like, to your left, the pins to your right. Right, so everyone's already, like, behind you. No one's picked it up yet.

And you miss a put. And then you, like, you rim it out. And then you, like, you do that little pullback. It's like, let me try again. Then people start to be like, all right, I'm just going to walk off the green. So if you do the, if you do the put again, have you now taken ownership of the pin? Well, no, because I always have a, I believe the rules should always be. Once the last official put is struck, the flag should be put in a immediate.

we're moving on. Now, if you want to stand there and keep putting out, that's fine. Got it. But you're going to put out with the flag in. Got it. No one should have to stand there like a schmuck hovering the flag over the hole while you put out. Yeah. That's not a move.

I mean, you just said it, but like. The move is you put the pin in. The pin, the pin, it's now the pin stage. Okay. The pin goes in and then you can keep putting the way. You actively put it in while the person's hitting your second put. That's like, it's like, it's like they're about to roll it in. I just fucking slant that thing in.

I almost try and beat them. Right. Yeah. Totally. It's like I'm going to ruin your practice. Yep. Right. It's like you're being an asshole.

It's the pin's turn. Like pick up basketball and the guy was like after each like either there it's a foul or a miss shot. The guy always has to put up in the layup. Yep. It's like it's just too much. It's just too much. Yep. Yeah.

I agree. Now I have no problem. You want to put for a couple minutes or for a minute or so or whatever. It's going to be with a pin in. It's just you're going to be put with a pin in. There you just solve Frankie's problem. Yeah. I do.

I do. I do. I stress about it. Yeah. And I can't still like I have we all. A caddy has the pin. And the caddy stands there hovering. I always say,

No, no, no, put it in, buddy. Like, go, keep doing your job. And the anxiety to be your caddy is through the loop. I mean, you step up to the tea. Riggs goes, don't talk to me. Don't you dare talk to me when I'm, if I'm practice putting in. It's like, all right. If that motherfucker is not a practice putt in.

But the whole premise of me saying put it in is because I'm like, no, no, buddy, don't you worry about me. You do your job here. You got to get to the next tea. I'm the asshole here. I can tell the Tiggs be like, I just got fucking stay here all day. I'm just doing practicing.

Right. Don't you have fucking something to do. Well, I'd be like, don't let me hold you up. Like, I know you're standing there holding the pin. Now I'm nervous. Right. Just put the pin in. Let's get to go.

I want to practice without you watching. I need to get the fuck out of here. Put the pin in. Next time, next time Rick says the catty, we need to put a GoPro on that. Oh, yeah. I think maybe, yeah, I was going to say,

actually wouldn't be as fun because I know him, but since I'm like old catty, some people call me. I would have loved to, I would love to catty for you, but I already know everything that irks you. So it really would work. True.

That's true. I'd be the greatest guy for you now. But then again, so many things come up on that. They do. You never know. It'd be funny me yelling at Frankie. Yeah, I mean, I'd be,

I'd be real, I'd be real fucking nervous. That doesn't sound like any fun for Frankie. No. I mean, there's no upside. What would happen? What's the best thing that could happen? You're a nice tip.

A nice tip. Yeah, fucking. We win a match or high-fiving? Emotional trauma. I mean, yell at you all day. God forbid. God forbid I give you a read. If I don't ask for it.

Don't give me a read. See, you already know it. Then last one I had real quick, the guy who takes practice swings before every shot. Pisses me all. Well. To the point where, all right, I understand you can get your like,

just a quick one, quick couple, especially chipping. Right. Get your feel. The person that actually, all right, you put the ball on the tee, you take a step back, and now the person has their stance

and they stare at the ground. So now we're simulating a fucking shot. Yeah, I don't like this. This is getting a little fucking ridiculous. It's almost like you're not even, even that practice swing is not doing anything to you. And a practice swing to me, it's like a quarterback dropping back. There's timing to it and everybody knows when it's taking enough time and when it's taking too much time. There are people that.

I mean, I've played a lot of public courses. There are people that take advantage of that practice swing, like you wouldn't fucking believe. Like to the point where my dad and I have played with people where we are crying laughing. Like there's no way this guy's not going to take another practice. And there it goes. It's like five, five practice swing. You're swinging at the air, dude. Everybody knows the right amount to do, and it's the people who are completely unaware that, like, it drives you nuts.

I don't think you should, I don't think that it's acceptable to take a full practice swing. I don't think that you're allowed to set up, take a full cut, and then I think it has to be, you know what I'm talking about? It's got to be a feel swing. A little shimmy. A little shimmy. A little shimmie. A little shimmie. You get a feel for the club, that's fine.

A couple little shimmies. I would agree. You can never, like you can do one full practice swing, but not in the form that you do a simulation of the swing. Right. When you go through your whole routine just to do a practice, it's insane. And people do it, man.

They look at the fairway. They look down and it's like, oh, he's going to like lean in and hit, this is his shot. But then, like, they just swing through nothing. That's obnoxious. The other thing I would say is you get more, a little bit more leeway on it if you're the first guy off the T-box or the first guy to hit his approach shot.

Right. Because while that guy's hitting, you should be doing your practice swings. If you need to do practice swings, do them while the other guy's going through his routine. Right. And then when it's your turn, you've already hit your practice swings. You're ready to go. For some reason, I'm not as, I don't care as much on the fair way. I think that iris are all about feel, and I think that you need to get that feel of great.

Sometimes, like, if I take a practice thing real quick, I'm like, I just aired it. I'm like, ah, shit, I got to take another one. You have to take another one because I need a feel. I can't now go. So you say just with your driver. When you're on the T-box and you're legit, I don't know if it's because I've just experienced it where I've played with people that actually look down the fairway they look down it's like oh this guy's gonna

hit this ball right now and then they just take a full practice thing it's like what the fuck did we just experience I just watch this like I'm almost like that's one like you just miss the ball like no it's like when you take it into the point where you think they're gonna hit it I hate it I hate it yeah I don't love the simulation

but you seem a little inconsistent there yeah well on the fairway it's not completely all eyes are like in one spot it's also not a simulation it's just getting the feel for like I have to just scrape the ground at least once. Like even if it's just like a quick like I always take practice things as like a like a power hitter in baseball. They do that little thing like where they lower the bat and they like shimmy it. Yeah. Like Mark McGuire.

You absolutely do that. I do that. It's great. Like Mark McGuire was a little shimmier. Like like, I don't know. It's just like I think that it just gets your wrist loose. Like if you want to scrape the ground a couple times, that's it. And then you go up and you swing. I don't think you need to take the club all the way back. You got to do it. I don't know. For me it's just excessive movement, it takes up too much time. Yeah, I don't disagree. The simulation gets me, and I do the tennis head thing, where you look forward, and then the guy didn't hit it.

Right. You're like, it's insane. What's going on here? Crazy. It's like still going through it again. So that's annoying. But, all right. Anything else?

No, that's about it. I guess that. We get a couple more Eps. We got one more Epp. It's a thousand degrees in here, by the other. It's hot. I don't know how anyone is like. I don't know how we're all sitting here.

You just got to grind through professionals. Yeah. Because it's actually like unhealthy, hot in here. It's a little, hot yoga. I'd say it's about 88 degrees in here. It's hot. Like an actual degree, I think it's about 88 degrees in here. Because I'm fucking sweating.

I was sweating. All right. For Playoff, martial sports.com. That is the email for all of your submissions. We will be back next week. And then it's Christmas season. We got a cup. We got a big interview guy next week.

Monday so he'll be on next week's show. I think that's all we got.