Fore Play - Hal Sutton: Battling Tiger, Sitting Phil & Winning Majors

Episode Date: June 10, 2021

Hal Sutton (51:27) joins the show for the first time. He tells seemingly endless stories about the famous “be the right club today!” win against Tiger at The Players Championship in 2000, pairing Tiger and Phil together at the 2004 Ryder Cup, playing with Jack Nicklaus and Greg Norman, giving Trent advice on breaking 100, and much more. Before Hal, we weigh in on the latest in Brooks vs Bryson, Rickie Fowler not qualifying for the U.S. Open, and Frankie vs Boston.You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

Hey, 4Play listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Foreplay, presented by Bart Stool Sports. It is the second show of the week for us. Thursday, Transfusion Thursday. Hal Sutton's on this show. The Hal Sutton, who won 14 times on the PGA tour, who took down Tiger Woods with one of the great self-calls in the history of the game. And he's just a legend.

He was the Rider Cup captain. He paired Tiger and filled together. I had kind of forgotten about that a little bit, so I was looking about before just to refresh my brain. He goes into all of that and very much into the entire day, the entire history of him and Tiger Woods playing together and him taking down Tiger, TBC Sawgrass. So House Sutton's a guest that, like,

I'm proud of having Hal Sutton on. He's a good character in golf history that hearing his perspective is something. that like that being told on our show is very cool. Yeah. And he's opinionated as well. We start to get into distance. We get in where the game is gone, you know,

over the course of his career. He's obviously spanned a few decades, a few eras. Jack Nicholas, Tiger Woods, where are we at now? Like it's, yeah, it was great to have him on. And he just has an A plus voice. He showed up, started talking, and I was like, his voice is better than all three of ours combined in times by a thousand. He just, he's got that great sounding voice.

which he was a great guest. If he didn't have a fantastic career being a professional golfer, he would have been one hell of a voice actor. I mean, you throw a nice, you throw a cartoon dog in front of him from the south with a little straw coming out of his mouth, walking out of a little doghouse being like, it's hot out here today.

You know what I mean? That's fucking Hal Sutton right there, and he's a household name either way. So that guy was just giving the gifts from the gods. A seasoned veteran, a guy like you're saying, Riggs, it's really just, you know, all the respect in the world to him, but like, what the hell is that guy doing on our show?

Like, that's a guy that, you know, he's, his career, his achievements, his personality, is reserved for something a little bit more, you know, polished. I'm very glad that he came on this show, though. It means that we're going places when we got someone like Hal Sutton on the show. And that, you know, that just speaks to the kind of guy he is. Yeah, he was great. So that's coming up in a few minutes. We did almost a full hour with Hal, and he was awesome.

He loves to tell stories. His voice is phenomenal. He's been a part of a lot of stuff. He's played with Jack Nicholas. He's played with Greg Norman. He obviously played Tiger Woods. He's just got really, really good stories. So Hal Sutton's coming up here in a few.

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You guys were up three to two. The scene at Borrellys was, as imagined, electric. I think that's the only way you could describe it was electric. You were amazing. Stu Feiner walking in, like he was a stone cold Steve Austin entering the ring was awesome. The line outside of Borrellys was shocking. it looked like a new like Jordan release or when the new iPhone comes out people were just around I think the entire island of Long Island so last night Frankie congratulations thank you um yeah we're on a

weird scheduling like podcast thing here where we're not recording on either the day of the game or the day after the game we're always people are listening to us prior to the game knowing the result right like you're hearing my voice right now I have no idea what happened tomorrow night we're to the Coliseum. That's breaking news. That's not breaking news to you hearing it. So we're actually going to the Coliseum. Dave said that if we could figure out how to stream from there, we can do it. We will be streaming from the seats. I think it's going to be revolutionary. I mean, Borellis has been unbelievable. Boston was unbelievable. But I think if we can get inside that building, get the cameras on us, even if it's iPhones, and just get those reactions in the middle

of 14, 15,000 people at the National Coliseum for a series clinching game. The first first of my lifetime. The Islanders have never played in the second round in my lifetime at the National Coliseum. When they did it a couple years ago, it was at the Barclay Center and, yeah, both at the Barclay Center. Both last times have been at the Barclay Center. So this is like the first time watching my team have a chance to go to the Eastern Conference Finals. I'm fucking jacked up. National Cal, the Borelli's restaurant last night, the foundation started to slip a little bit. Like the place, like the floor started moving. Like I think like whatever clay or whatever that, whatever Borellas was built on in September of 1955,

started to rumble a little bit. The roof had that little shake where like some fucking like stuff was coming out of the ceilings and shit. It was fucking bonkers. And the fact that that's, that's what, like the third or fourth stream from Borellies where it's been like that, or maybe third, like it's not slowing down. You would think people would maybe get sick of it. or like, all right, it's just the same thing over and over again. They're getting crazier and crazier.

It's the place to watch the game. There's an argument to be made that it's just as good or better than watching it at the stadium. I mean, people are going fucking crazy in that restaurant. And what you guys see in the back room, it's triple the amount of people in the front bar and outside. Triple. Our view of the cameras, it's like,

what are those little, the connecting monkeys that you get there they're in like toy story those it's like the monkeys coming out of the jar monkeys in a jar is that what they are it's like people are fucking hanging on to each other's arms hanging off the ceiling it one of those fucking things called crazy monkeys no oh boy the little monkeys in a jar we all used to have them dig deep man come on deep figure this one out i'm enjoying watching trit's brain try to find monkey in a barrel boy it was right there for us barrel monkeys so close we were barrel of monkeys there we go okay barrel of monkeys there we go barrel of monkeys registers.

It looks like that. It just looks like people are coming out of like the floor. It's like Planet of the Apes or something. Like I've never seen anything like it. And everyone's so respectful at the restaurant. There was never like anyone doing anything crazy.

No one's fucking getting in trouble. It was just, you know, News 11, Pix 11 and News 12 from Long Island they came and they were interviewing my dad. And we actually were just watching. My dad was, first of all, my dad last night. We had to carry him out of the restaurant. He was,

Absolutely ossified. Like completely shit-faced. I mean, he kept chugging bottles in John Fidelberg's face over and over and over again. He was pouring bottles into Stu Feiner's mouth. Completely shit-faced. It had to be. He's sitting there like crying. They're chanting, Mr. Burrelli.

He has tears rolling down. It's just like, and News 11 came and they were like, man, so when we just watched it, it was on, it was on at 530. And the way that they edited it, they were there. when it was snowing and the restaurant was closed and my dad's sitting there in an empty restaurant hysterically crying to the camera being like, this is it like I don't know what to do anymore

I can't, I don't know what to do it's, I don't know what next month shows and then all of a sudden it goes to black and it comes back and they show the line outside Borrelli's and Mr. Borrelli and we were sitting down there all getting choked up being like, this is fucking crazy dad like all the stoolies that have helped

with the barstool fund I mean like I was, saying in the beginning, like, people are like, Venmoing me so that we could bring food to hospitals, like every dollar helped and every donation helped to all these restaurants. And now, look at the, look at the product of the people that were able to survive. You're able to, Barstool was able to have a fucking pizza review camera kid who Dave says his name a bunch of times so people know my name. I'm an Islander fan. Now I got people back in Borrellys because people want to watch the Islanders. It's just amazing what happened. And it's just crazy to take a step back

and look at where we are in the world now. No one's complaining. No one's fighting anymore. It's just like fucking just good times. And my dad was like, I live through four Stanley Cups in a row, Frank. He's like, I lived through four Stanley Cups in a row. I've never seen something like this at the restaurant, ever. Like, this is insanity.

It's insanity, guys. Like, the word insane isn't even registering with you guys what's actually happening at that restaurant. It's fucking preposterous. I mean, you're going to make this podcaster cry. I mean, seeing seeing you happy is fine. I like when the islanders win. I think it's funny to watch you go crazy. But see, what did you say?

I said, fuck me. I'm an asshole. Yeah. Yeah, that's kind of what I was getting to. But seeing your father, Mr. Borrelli, happy and people chanting his name and people filling out his restaurant and seeing that place come back to life, that is a true joy. It's really great to watch. And it's people chant Mr. Borrelli's name like that is, that's really the

coolest thing you could ask for, honestly. Think about that guy was like sweeping the floors in an empty dark restaurant and like probably wondering if he was ever going to hear just like tables moving and chairs, just that sound of a restaurant. And now he's standing in that same spot hearing radiating echoing chance for his name because he made it and and barstool made it and like the world made it. That is so fucking cool. They weren't chanting because of the islanders. Like, It was a moment of like, even 18-year-old kids that were like, that were in the back, they were like outside on the other side of the bar were trying to scream in like, Mr. Britt.

Like, even young kids knew. It was just, it was really cool to see. And it's just like, it makes me just proud about like the community and Islander fans and just the world in general. It's just fucking awesome. And whatever happens with the Islanders, I care very much. But the fact that we're able to experience this, I'm just so grateful for. I really am. your father too being best friends with john fidelberg on the live streams is one of

and fidelberg's you know one of all of our favorite people on planet earth and so the two of them just jelling and becoming boys is one of the more heartwarming things it's like when you know it's like soldiers at like world war two were singing christmas carols together from across the trenches it's like those are guys it's uh i'm trying to become less superstitious and i think i really have been like oh i didn't want to go to boston because y'allon there's a plane at the Coliseum. I've never missed a game at the Coliseum. They're going to lose. They end up winning in Boston. And you know what I mean? It's starting to just like erase from my memory that like I have no effect on the fucking hockey game. But there's a part of me that's like

when you stick my dad and that's to Fidelberg, the Bruins have like no chance. Like Fidelberg's guard is down now because he can't fight back the way he wants to. Even though that has nothing to do with the game, I sit there at the game and I'm like, we're okay because that guy over there, that crazy Fidelberg, he's contained. Like, my dad has him in check. And, like, that is a huge part. Like, that's momentum for us, even though it doesn't make any sense. But you know what I mean?

Like, you're watching them, they're cheering. I'm like, oh, we got these guys. Totally. He's killed him with kindness. He's just totally brought him in. And, yeah. No, you say you're not a part of the team and you're not, I guess. But it is funny that you have this platform where you come on and it's like a press

commerce where we ask you about the game. You come on and you're like, yeah, all right. Well, yeah, it was a tough game. You know, we're going to six games. Like, it is, it's just a very, the whole thing is absurd, but it's, it's the most fun thing in the world. Oh, I'm getting texts after big wins from the players being like what you're, what you guys are doing at Barstle, not me. I've been like, what's happening right now with this rivalry and it's good for the league. I've gotten that text from multiple players and like big time players on the New York Islanders, not even just saying it's like, oh, this is awesome.

It's like, dude, this is big for the NHL that, like, like, dude, this is big for the NHL that, like, like, Like there's this much hype around a fucking second round series. And like people are lining up to get into a restaurant at 6.30 on a Monday. Like that's pretty fucking cool that that's happening. Like Trent said, he's like, dude, it's not a big hockey guy. He's like, I'm glued to what's going to happen in every single game of a second round series between Boston, which he has no tie to and Long Island, which he has no tie to. And he's like, that's that, he's like, I wish I didn't have the fucking bachelorette because I want to be able to watch.

as hockey. So that's just one man. That's just one person that's affected. Of course it's good for the league. It's cool. It's just cool to hear them say that because they're all so passionate about the league. And it's weird to hear that because they represent the league. When the league does better, they do better.

And it's just better for their kids growing up and playing and watching. So it's really cool to just see everything just the world is just getting back, man. Let's go. I fucking love it. And I hope the Islanders, I hope you guys are listening to this. And I was at the Coliseum and I watched the Islanders win. and if I didn't and then they lost, you better know that I'm fucking ready for game seven.

I don't want those vibes right now, but I will be ready for whatever comes my way. As a fan, I'm very happy. Frankie, you know, we were all together, the classic crew, so we were kind of just looking at the clips where I was watching, like, the full stream in real time. But is it to the point, like, is it too crazy yet?

Like, are people jumping up, like grabbing your nipples? Like, what is it going on? Is it anything ridiculous, or is it still containable? It's ridiculous, but we had security, which was great. But the fans, so I made a huge decision or improvement to my decision, where everyone behind me, I basically knew every single person or I knew the person that brought those people behind us. So there was no, like, psychopath outliers in the crowd lurking around. Everyone was, like, respectful in the point where they weren't going to jump on Marina and, like,

fucking put her in a headlock because I was nervous about that game, like, too, like that that was going to start happening. So that was, I was at ease, but when you have a game where you score five goals and like, and you come back and like by the fifth goal, I legitimately just had nothing left. Like, it's like, how are you supposed to keep going and streaming and jumping into the crowd? Like I just, I started seeing black. I started seeing stars. I sat down. I, like, I had to check my pulse. I, like, we have this little finger thing that checks your oxygen level.

I brought it with me. Like, I sat in the back of Borrellas and that was like a 95, which is like not good. Like, it's like kind of nerve-wracking. So it's kind of, it's getting kind of crazy. I just wanted this to be over. I want it to fuck it. I want to go on to the next round. The lightning just won.

I just got that notification. So they are the next team waiting for the Bruins or the Islanders. So it's never going to be easy. I'm happy. Thank you to all the listeners on this golf podcast that are dealing with me during this ridiculously weird and fun time in my life. I want to extend a very big thank you to you, your family, your wives, your husbands, your kids, your mother-in-laws, your moms, your dads, your dads, the whole family.

You know, you don't want to hear me talk about fucking hockey all the time. I get it. But listen, it's something that I'm going through. It's my life. And I can't stop. I just, I can't stop. I'm sorry. I'll say it's gotten to the point at the classics.

People are asking me, how's Frankie doing? How is he handling everything? And then they're also, it's sort of become a you need to pick sides thing with anyone that's involved. So, you know, we get a good amount of people that show up from Boston that are, Like, you know, hey, Riggs A, like, fuck those Iwander's on. I'm like, nah, I'm kind of pull up for the islanders. And I'm like, well, fuck you too. It turns into a little bit of a thing because it's, you know, capturing so many people.

But it's good. It's like that's, like you said, it's good for the game. People, this is why we watch sports. This is why we get so jacked up for whether it's somebody we like in golf or we talk about the rhetoric. Having a team that's in it that means a lot to you is what being a fucking sports fan. So it's very cool. Good luck. I am rooting for the islanders.

I don't like the Boston Bruins, especially ever since, you know, our series against him a few years ago, that you're just going to build in those rivalries. And then the added aspect of Mr. Borrelli, Stu Feiner, you. Oh, Stu Feiner. Unbelievable. He's unbelievable. I was sitting around before, I think, game two, whatever game he came to, yeah, I guess game two. I was like, how do I get some more firepower here?

Because game one was a nightmare. And I was like, I just looked at Stu. I saw him come up on Twitter. Like, didn't even know if he was going to say yes, or if he's an Islander fan or anything. I was like, do you want to come tonight? And he wrote back, I fucking love you. I'll be there. Like a raging bull or whatever he wrote.

And he hasn't stopped, man. He has not stopped. Yeah, you were looking for any sort of firepower, any sort of weapon, and you just came upon a nuclear bomb and carried it into Burrellys with you. And you're like, this is what I have now. He is, he's as much energy as you can pack into one body. and his like sons are my cousins went to school with all his kids and so they're able to he knows my family he knows my aunt he's kissing her on the cheek he's kissing my my cousin that he coached in baseball on the cheek i haven't seen you fucking 13 years look at this guy's

he never lets off the gas he's insane and uh his kids are great his son is unbelievable he he he he makes sure stew's in the right spot and stew doesn't get out out of control it's fucking And the whole thing's just a, what an experience. The fact that all these things are part of the same stream. It's the same. Your dad, you, how crazy you are. He's a new fighter, and he actually is a million notches above you guys. Marina is like a silent assassin type crazy.

Oh, yeah. And the fights is like a lovable lunatic who's, but the whole thing. And then we haven't even gotten to the fan. So, yeah, it's just, it's the best. Good luck. We're rooting for you guys. The wingman from Bushnell is also the best. We're going to talk about some of the features, but one, that a few people DM me,

like the fact that you guys haven't mentioned this yet, which is true, we keep forgetting it, is that you can program into it chirps that the wingman can just say. So just like you can, like, hit a button and get the actual yardages at any point. You can also program it in, hit a button, and it will just, like, say something that you want the wingman to say, which is a hilarious feature. So right before one of your buddies hits, you program in to call them a clown or whatever, and the wingman will do it to a degree. So the wingman not only has a phenomenal sound system that you should bring into the shower,

so you don't ruin your laptop by reaching out to the keyboard with a wet finger, it not only has an amazing bite magnet that is like when creatures bite and it just sticks to the bar all the time, you know, it not only syncs up to the Bushnell app that gives you the flyover view of every hole, but it also allows you to chirp people on the golf course, which is a very funny thing when a robot chirps people. The chirp is very funny. I got the same DM and I didn't even believe it. I mean, I guess I just didn't read the manual enough.

I didn't know if that was a thing. It's right there in settings. You can just put a customizable, you know, you can either have a cheer, you can have a boot or it's just a custom message. And you can write whatever the hell you want and it's going to say it. And it's pretty funny the way it comes out because it's a little like, you know, it's like AI speaking to the person.

So like there's a funny way to have. have the humor in that, like a very serious monotone, like, computer speaking, ridiculous things is always going to get a laugh out of me. So, you know, Bushnell just thought of everything. That's just, you know, they thought about how it's going to stick to the golf cart, and they also thought about how they're going to make people laugh. It's pretty funny. Go to Bushnellgolf.com slash four. Order your wingman golf speaker today. It is just a must have at this point. So go to Bushnellgolf.com slash four. A few things in the world of golf before we get to Mr. Hal Sutton.

Bryson and Brooks update. Bryson said essentially that he just thinks that they're a little feud, their little rivalry is good for golf, which is kind of the high road that we thought he was going to take or that he was going to attempt to take. He said, I think a good jesting rivalry is good for the game of golf. Nothing too extreme. DeShambos said of the Rocket Mortgage Classics Media Day, but at the same point in time, that's all outside of the spectrum of what we're here for today.

And I think the most important thing is to be talking about what Rocket Mortgage is doing for the 313 area. And I think the change of course initiative is something that's bigger than the game of golf compared to a rivalry. So he literally took like the most high road that you could possibly take talking about what, you know, a sponsor is doing for a community, which is right on brand with Bryson. He always brings up his sponsors whenever he wins. So just a super Bryson, almost laughably like caricature Bryson response from Bryson, which is kind of what we've grown to expect from Bryson. A good jesting is the most Bryson DeShambot way to refer to like a beef, a social media beef or the beef that he has going on with Brooks. But he is talking about this thing that's going on with him in Brooks in a way that he doesn't engage in what's going on.

He's simply giving a summary of what's happening. And it's a lot about what we talk about on that show, how this is a guy who no longer wants to be involved in this, to the point now where he is taking the highest road he can find. And instead of getting into the mud, as we call it here at Barstall Sports, when asked about this, he instead talks about what is going on with this thing with Brooks. He could be throwing jabs and barbs in these interviews, but instead he's like, I don't want to be involved at this,

so I'm now just going to talk about what is going on. and what it could potentially lead to. So it's a little bit of, it's more of the same. And I think we're going to get, this is the line of thinking we're going to get from Brooks, or I mean from Bryson throughout this whole thing until it's over, I guess. Yeah, more of the same for sure. I mean, this is just right out of the Bryson playbook.

The only play now that we don't know yet, like we can always foresee what Bryson is going to do. He's never going to step out of the line. He's always going to say something that's just like embarrassingly soft in the response and we're going to be like, oh man, starting to get a little sad that he can't just like fire back because that's just not how he's built. And the only thing we don't know that we cannot predict

is what Brooks will do next. Will he continue to keep the foot on the gas? Will he continue to be a little bit like corny and lame with some of the things that he does? Will he continue to be just mean? Will he continue to do all that stuff? Or will he just like give up? And that's something we just don't know what he's going to do yet.

I genuinely think he probably will give up at this point. point after we've last talked just because so many people on Twitter had that same thought that we did where it's just like at some point man like you're appealing to some people where you're just going to be like keep hammering him home, foot on the gas, kill him,

make him quick golf forever. And like part of me would probably always be like that kind of person where it's like bury them. I mean I did say that Tiger should make Abraham Answer. Abraham Answer never play the game of golf again. Like I love carnage. I love making people cry. But like

man like there's a lot of people saying like all right this is like just weird now yeah i guess you know what a question we've never asked in regards to this situation is what's the end goal for a guy like brooks and i understand like the motivation right now is he clearly gets under this guy's skin when the guy who he's getting under the skin of claims that it's not getting under his skin and the feedback that brooks is getting right now from social media largely is like Brooks is killing this guy and it's it's very funny and oh this is amazing and that's got to feel good that's got to trigger some some dopamine in Brooks's brain being like I am dominating this guy in such a way that people are loving it but like where do we go where does it end where do we

stop I think you can ask that with any like rivalry or debate I don't know that we ever know like what the final like outcome is like when I'm fighting with a friend or anything or I have a robbery of someone that I genuinely don't like. I don't know what I'm seeking when I'm either being mean or avoiding them or like, what do I want them to die? I don't know. Like what the, like what is the answer? I don't know.

Like what. Yeah. Like do they, yeah. Like, no, you're right. Does he want him to like submit like his golf clubs to him and be like, you win?

Yeah, you're right. I am Bryson D. DeShimeau and I submit my one length iron golf clubs to you. You now have the one length of irons. Here's my protractor. I am done playing the game of golf. You win.

It's like, Brooks is like, yeah. You're right. And Brooks probably doesn't know what his, he doesn't have an angle. He's just having fun with this scenario. But it is like, what are we heading towards? And I don't, there is no answer, I suppose. There is no answer. You can ask any bully that in high school or you can ask whatever.

It's like, what do you want that other person to do? Because even the scenario where you're like, bend the knee and you're obviously you're going far with like quick golf, but he has bent the knee. He's like, I don't necessarily want to be involved in this anymore. Well, the only outcome is that. Brooks wants to just be liked more. It's like you just keep going up, keep going up, keep going up. Oh, if I make this joke about Bryson, I'm going to

get more followers, I'm going to get more likes, I'm going to get more laugh, more podcast appearances, I'm going to do this, blah, blah, blah. Oh yeah, I'm going to keep doing it. That's not about Bryson. That's probably the best answer, yeah. Yeah. And Bryson said, like, I've personally got no issue. It's something that he's up for discussion. If you want to talk to Kepka about that,

you can, but I've got no issues. And even Spieth said, you know, about the whole Brooksie issue at the memorial. He said, any bad hole, someone was yelling Brooksie and then any good hole people were yelling go Bryson almost louder than the Brooksie stuff it was like a pseudo rivalry and Kepka wasn't even there yeah which is you know the pseudo rivalry what is like what is the definition of pseudo like fake fake okay yeah because I thought that that's what he was you know referring to and at

that point it's a real rivalry at this point it's real Jordan what's up boys just an all-time lurch move to just pop him out of the clouds in yeah it's just it's just lurch hey lurch what's up how are we doing good to see everybody everybody's looking swell um yeah just mess of a travel day just another one leave no hair nobody likes oh hair yeah yeah it's tough because the listeners they don't even know what you're talking yeah they have no they have no clue what you're talking about it's pretty awesome i didn't know if uh you guys because i was gonna join 10 minutes ago but anyways i was traveling for from Charlotte to O'Hare, just got off the plane.

I was hoping it joined about an hour ago. However, that wasn't the case because I just got stuck in weather delays, traffic. My buddy, my rep, who's sitting right here next to me, did the try to, the classic speed-up the slowdown situation. He ran, got the rental car, I got the bags. That just took more time. So anyways, now I'm just way behind schedule, but it's good to see everybody's faces. Beautiful.

Yeah, it's nice to your face, too. Is it, you know, it looks like, is it, is it the sun's still up there somehow? Is that what's going on here? No, I think those are actually a pretty beautiful sky. I'm not going to turn it, but gorgeous little rainbow. Wow. And kind of cotton candy sky kind of shimbing off the glass. But I don't mean to interrupt the conversation around Sudo.

That seemed riveting. Yeah, we're sort of, we're discussing, you know, a little Brooks Kebka, Bryce of Deschambo, you know, the latest and some speed comments. And then, you know, your mug just kind of appeared on our, on our web X. So there you were. I saw a couple smiles and then Frankie looked at the side. Frankie, you get ready for battle tomorrow? Yes.

I'm not going to get into it because we just talked about it. And I think people are going to fucking strangle me. But yes, I am. We're in the Coliseum, so I'm just very grateful to be there. And it will be fun. Well, Bob, good luck. Thank you. But, yeah, I think more of the same.

I think that's pretty much what it looks like right now with Brooks and Bryson. I think everybody understands that. I touch on Ricky Fowler. Ricky Fowler missed out on U.S. Open qualifying by a shot in terms of getting into a playoff, will not play at Torrey. He is, of course, part of the same stable as our very own Trent Ryan when it comes to notable players who are underneath the expertise of golf instructor. John Tillery.

So you, Trent, you know, is this a personal setback for kind of your stable and your crew or how do you feel about it? No, I don't feel that way at all. John Tiller, he's obviously a great swing coach. And Ricky's been playing well recently. He played well at Kiowa. He played well at the Memorial. Obviously, he loved to be playing in the U.S. Open.

He didn't play in the Masters. He hung out at Tiger's House. But, like, I think in terms of what it's like to be. be Ricky Fowler right now. It's not nearly as bad as it has been in the past few months. Like, before he played well in the PG championship and then again at this last weekend, people were just like, oh, like I don't know what's going on with Ricky Fowler. You know, it's just crazy. But I think it's, it's fine. It certainly doesn't hurt the J.T. John Tilleri's Stable. Like, I'm on the up and up. He's on the up and up. Things are looking

good for us. Yeah, because I mean, at one point, you know, Ricky Fowler was taking direct shot. from Sir Nick Faldo on Twitter about not, you know, playing in the Masters. And now I do, he is on the up and up. He finished tied for eighth at Kiowa. He played very well at the Memorial, like you said. And he played well. It's really hard to get through U.S., you know, that especially that sectional qualifying for the U.S. Open, and he missed it by just one shot with, I think it was a little chip on his last

hole that came up a roll short. He obviously had a good attitude about it. He always does. But I was just curious if you have some, you know, special bond. now you feel like with Ricky Fowler as like the same the same man that has sculpted and will be sculpting Ricky Fowler's game is using those hands to sculpt our very own Trent Ryan as well so I didn't know of that kind of led to something you know unfortunately I've never had any personal interaction with Ricky Fowler neither has this show where we'd be

more than happy to have him on at any point if he wants to come on but in terms of we're kind of all pulling for the same thing where I want John Tiller to be happy. And I think Ricky Fowler shares that same sentiment. So if I play well and if Ricky Fowler plays well, again, we're part of the same stable. So if we both end up playing well, then John Tilleri is happy. And I think that's really the ultimate goal. Maybe the ultimate goal might be breaking 100, breaking 90. Ricky's goals might be a little different than that. But at the end of the day, when John Tilleri can look at the guys in his stable and be happy about what's going on with them, I know that brings him peace. And that's kind of the goal that we're

all pulling for. Do you think you, when you achieve breaking 100, you'll get maybe a message from your stable partner? You know, I don't have any expectations about that. I, you know, I will be honest and I haven't been messaging Ricky about his recent success at Kiowa and at, at the memorial. So I wouldn't necessarily expect him to. You know what, Trent?

I think you should. Oh, yeah. Actually, let me do that right now. You know what, Trent? I think you fucking should. here we go. Yeah, if we're going to be part of the same stable, it seems crazy that we're not connected at some level. I'm going to get on his internet. How are you going to start this message? Like, what's up partner? What's up, bro? What's up stable, mate? Okay. Oh, is that going to be on Twitter? No, no, I'm going to do a private DM on Instagram.

Are you really going to write stablemate? Are you really going to write stablemate? You don't think that's a good lead? I love it. I fucking love it. I think it's so preposterous. Here's what I'll do. Here, because that might confuse him and my disorient him a little bit, so I'll say, Hey, stable mate, and then in parentheses, I'll put John Tilleri. Yeah, that's how I'll do it. That makes the most sense. Really good, yeah.

Hey, stable mate, is that one word or two? I think you rip whatever. Just whatever looks more natural. It's looking like one. I do very much enjoy it when I scroll through John Tilleries, like Instagram story, and it'll be like two or three up closest of Kevin Kisner,

and then the next one is like Trent Ryan, and, you know, stretching upside down on a fucking door. And though you guys are just part of the same team, man. Like, he's trying to get all these same people to play better golf, and you're part of that. It was funny that I sent John, our JTA, a text the other day. And he's a little bit in my school where he's okay at responding to text messages. He's like, I could kind of see why people under it, like,

they get frustrated with me sometimes. but then I saw in his story that he was working with kids and I was like, oh, he's just working with one of my stablemates. So it's like if you're out there grinding, he probably is not looking at his phone too much. Where are we at the crafting of this message? All right. So I'm at Hey,

Hey, stablemate in parentheses, John Tillery. So I think I probably have to lead with the most recent event where he missed out on the qualifying by one stroke. So I want to be like, what do I say next? You know, tough one this week, but really, like where where things are heading for the team. Yeah, I would say great showing at, great showing at, uh, PGA and again at the memorial, things are looking up.

Feels like both of our games are on the up and up or something like that. Yeah, yeah, I think yourself into that. Along the lines of like, yeah, you guys are in it together that you kind of mutually share each other's success and improvement in golf is, is how you got to frame it. I definitely want to end it on something like, I want to allude to just how frustrating the game of golf is and how we're connected on that level. To that same point, do we have that tailor-made tour bag still that's foreplay? Because I would love to put Trent Ryan's name on that and get that in JT's just in the stall.

So you're looking at like Ricky, you know, Tisner, Trent Ryan. Now we're talking. I'm going to start working on that for sure. But I think here's, hold on, but like when we were at the kingdom, you know, they said that you can't. get one of those bags at the kingdom unless you win a major so maybe like can trent not get one of those bags in j t's facility until he breaks a hundred yes that's correct yes that's fine but as soon as he does it's just right in front of rickie's face when he goes to drain he's like how to hell this can be our first in with rickie and there's also pictures of of you know like when kisner's won he takes a picture

with the trophy. I would like, not only would I like the tour bag in the facility, because that's a great idea. I'd also, I want to hold a piece of paper like Wilts Chamberlain.

Yeah. Whatever I shoot, 99, 98, 91, whatever. I'm only holding that up and then I'm going to take a picture and I'm going to have that frame and I want J.T. to put that up in his little bay there.

I think that'd look good too. Yep. Is a video coming out tonight? Is Jake in the background yet? Tonight? We haven't even talked about it. that yet. Tonight, and while you construct this

Instagram message, Trent, we have to promote this. On YouTube, farcelsports.com, Trent Ryan makes his first attempt post-John Tilleri surgery and physical therapy and everything that he went through in Georgia. This is his first attempt. We are at Brookville

Country Club. This is where we met a bunch of cast of characters. and you're going to see just maybe the best, you know, there is so much drama. It's the best type of like movie atmosphere of Trent trying to break 100. There's highs, there's lows. It's just fantastic.

Thank you. Part 72 or what is the length of the course? I believe it was a par 71. I think we played it from like 67, 6,800. It's a good test. I could have just made all that up. But Joe La Cava was there. He was.

Oh, this is the Joe La Cava round. Joe La Cava was there, and it was quite the scene. Joe La Cava is on certain greens watching Trent Putt. He wants to know everything about it. So, yeah, you're going to want to watch this because the first video, if you watch the first video, you now are a part of this journey. Yes, you are. You're locked in.

You are invested in Trent Ryan, much like, you know, people are invested in John Tillery's stable, which is why Trent Ryan is crafting a message to his stable. will make Rinky Fowler right now. But go to our YouTube channel, check out Trent's first episode of actually trying to break 100. This was one too that on the podcast got a lot of play because you guys were telling and teasing the things that occurred during that day. I remember our group text was popping because you know you guys couldn't believe the

scenario, the situation, the things that occurred that day, and now we're going to get a lot of it in the video. So I, for one, I'm ready to take this journey with Trent. and as a viewer that has not seen any of the footage, that has not been there for any of these rounds, that wasn't there in Georgia, I am like you out there listening, and I have just hopped on to this vessel,

and I am floating down the river of the journey that is Trent Ryan trying to get better at golf, and I'm witnessing all of this with you literally in the same boat, and I cannot wait for tonight's episode to see how my friend Trent progresses in his game, because I've heard whispers that, you know, it's really interesting to watch. Hips are fucking moving. I mean, things are happening.

I think if you see, hopeful, who there's a voice crack. I think if you see, I'm excited to see one of these new swings where if the confidence stays and those hips are firing, that's going to be all time. I mean, that's going to be the most exciting swing in all of golf. I think we all believe certainly that you can break 100. I think even if you missed the first video, go back and watch it because rooting for Trent to break 100 is just rooting for the good guys in golf. And I mean, I'm all for it. I can't wait.

I mean, you've got the putting down. Hopefully that maintains or holds it up because what we saw was the Eowser was that bad. But it's there. It's in the bag. Go Trent Ryan. Trent, let's read this message out loud. I got a little bit of writer's block once we. All right.

this is the message that I want to send to Ricky Fowler. Do you still just have Haystablemate? No, I got more than that. It seems like not much. No, I got Haystablemate in parentheses John Tilleri. Tough one this week, but it seems like the game is heading in the right direction. Great showing at the PGA and the Memorial. Golf is a frustrating beast, but we've got the best swing coach in the world, and now I'm stuck.

Right. I mean, I think that's too much already. Like, if you got that, would you read that whole message? if it was from my stablemate yeah yeah no I don't think it's too much I like you know I think I think you really have to talk to him like

like a teammate not like a guy who wants to talk to Ricky Fowler so you want to say like hey stablemate John Tillery tough one this week but we have things trending in the right direction great that's good we have things trending in the right direction

you look good and you look good at the USA at the PGA. Say, loved what I saw at the PGA and the Memorial. Yeah. Loved or maybe loved what we saw. It's like you and J. Did it? Loved what we saw.

That's a huge team thing. Loved what we saw at the PGA and the Memorial. We all know this game. Dot, dot, dot. Let's keep trending in the right direction. If you want to say something about like how the game, I know that you're stuck on, you want to say the game is tough.

So like, your first bit, Frankie was spot on. I think we can tweak the back end of that. But I, like, loved what we saw, I think is brilliant. Like the inclusive comments are making it a team aspect. Totally. I did. I liked all that, honestly. Yeah, you just addressed the whole thing.

Like, it's, you guys are one unit together. Like, it's not him, you separate. Like Frankie said, we got to, you got to eradicate any language that makes it seem like you just want to talk to. Fowler and include all language that's like, we got this, buddy, we're doing great. Yeah, I think it's a simple saying, like, we got this, man. Let's keep this thing rolling. Like, that's just like, and we all fucking run out into the field.

I don't think you overthink it anymore. I think you just fucking write that down, read it out loud, and let's fucking get on our way. Two hours into this podcast, I think we fucking send that thing. All right. Hey, stable mate, John Tillery. Tough one this week, but we have things trending in the right direction. Loved what we saw at the PGA and the Memorial

We got this man Let's keep this thing rolling Send it Fucking send it to your teammate man That's your stablemate Just hashtag till gang or no No Yes I like it

Well wait wait wait wait Is that something you want to live with Is that something that's going to stick Is that something that's going to stick Because that's going to stick Now That's that's going to stick Till gang is now

Okay Shill gang Okay Shill gang is perfect Hashtag Till gang That's a good hashtag Tif

I'm gonna I'm gonna get a text of JT being like Hey Uh He just cuts you He just tells you He just tell you he's going to

I'm not gonna Okay hashtag Till gang is fucking fantastic We got this man Let's keep this thing rolling Hashtag Yeah, that's good.

That's a good message. I just sent it. To Ricky Fowler? Yeah, to Ricky Fowler. I just did it as well. I love that. I want to say, who, man, that made me laugh really hard.

The Tilt gang, it's so good. I want to, you know, we're doing Barstall Classic down here. We've had Uncle Chaps, one of my favorite people in the world, who's been here for a couple days. I hadn't seen Uncle Chaps like a year and a half. He led, actually, this is a big ice cream Sunday crew. He led dinner on Sunday night when I hadn't seen him.

First order, not appetized or whatever, he just led with an ice cream Sunday. No way, dude. Which I just never seen that before. Did you make an announcement like an upside down dinner? Because I've done that before, but or do you just go for? He just like, you know, I was like, yeah, we'll do some chips and sauce soon. And then chaps like, yeah, we'll do ice cream Sunday. What was this next part of his meal?

He got like a fruit salad. Dude, what the fuck, man? It was, and he said, he's like, man, I'm a, you know, I'm like, a really busy, like, father of two who never leaves anywhere, goes anywhere, and I'm here by myself for a couple days. I'm going to get whatever I want, and right now I want an ice cream Sunday. So that's what I got. And it was awesome. I guess like why, like, why beat around the bush, you know at some point you want that ice cream Sunday? Just rip it right off the top.

It was heroic. And he said, he's like, you know, a lot of times I just get, I get too full, and I'm not able to fully enjoy the dessert part of the meal. So I just led with it. And it was a heroic move. He was great to hang out with for a couple days. Will Compton from busing with the boys came down. He's such a nice dude, was interacting with that. Everybody was shaking hands, talking a lot just about his status and being in Nashville and chilling with everybody.

And then Weather Girl Hannah was here, who's getting very into golf, who has a pretty good golf swing, by the way, and is going to be a problem, I think, because people are going to chirp that she's better than us. But the whole crew down here, just kind of getting through the classic in Austin, a couple Texas stops. It's been really hot. Has been phenomenal. So I just wanted to shout that crew out. And we're on our way to a Penn property, LaBurge, in Lake Charles on Thursday. So when people are listening to the show, Lake Charles, where?

Where's Lake Charles? Louisiana. Okay. Unbelievable. Yeah, I've heard that we have a great property in Louisiana for Penn National. I've heard that multiple times, great golf course. I've heard that from Penn people. When I first met them, they heard that I was a golfer, and we had a golf podcast.

They're like, oh, man, wait until you get down to Lake Charles. Dude, they got a bunch of stuff lined up for us. So, you know, when we were at the M in Vegas, we were all excited because all the amenities, but things weren't quite fully open. Our rooms were insane and so cool. And they have, I think they're rolling it out even better for this because things are, like, reopened now. So we're really excited.

They got some stuff playing. We got like a full itinerary on Wednesday. So I can't wait to get to the Penn property there, LaBurge, and just check it out in Lake Charles. So it's going to be a great time. Barstool Classic rolls on. We're getting close to halfway through the whole. thing. We're not quite there yet. Dude Wipes is a sponsor of the Barstool

Classic. They've been there pretty much since the beginning, and we've got to have a serious chat about bathroom habits. I imagine this crew knows quite a lot about bathroom habits. Time to quit scratchy toilet paper. That'll ruin your whole week. That'll ruin your whole year. When you

wash your face, your hands, your body, you use water to get yourself clean. So the dirtiest thing that we do, which might be what you do with your ass, why would we use dry toilet paper like that just does that make any sense no it makes no sense uh i have a matcha chap's was working it out in the bathroom after that ice cream so right i was thinking that too i had a little bathroom i had a little bathroom issue the other day at a wedding go on i um you know i scoped out

during the appetizer hors d'oeuvre of our cocktail hour the bathroom in that room knowing we would then go to another part or of the vicinity of the vicinity right vicinity. I knew that we would be going to another part of the building for the actual main event, for the actual wedding, for the reception. And because I knew I had to go to the bathroom. I felt the poopies coming on. And I said, I'm going to have to maneuver my way back to a bathroom that is not going to be occupied, right? Like, we're in this area of the building now. We will be in another building later. So I had the whole thing. I ended up walking. It's like a five-minute walk to this bathroom. I'm like, oh, my God, I'm going to murder this thing. This is awesome. I'm going to

I'm gonna lay loose in this thing, right? So I sit down and I'm like, I'm about to do my business and, you know, a door fucking opens. And I'm like, are you fucking kidding me? And now this guy goes right next to me. He sits right next to me in the same store, right in the next fucking stall.

I said, are you fucking kidding me? I planned this out. I walked my way. I'm the one that needs to be alone right now. And lo and behold, all my fears and all the reasoning why I wanted to leave happened. I had like, you know, sometimes it gets a little loud for some people. Like, once in a while, you'll be tooting the horn.

And it was happening to me, man, and I couldn't get rid of it. And this guy's sitting right next to me fucking listening to the whole thing. I'm playing him a fucking melody, man. It was like, it was crazy. I was going all the even octaves. I couldn't stop, bro. I was like, I was trying to figure it out. I'm pulling my ass cheeks apart.

I'm like, how do I get this thing to stop making noise? It was getting higher and louder. Every push was just another fucking song. It was like a fucking bird, dude. I couldn't I couldn't fucking stop. I was like an elephant. That part. This is going to be the leeway into House Up.

This is going to be like the last thing. Oh, no. Oh, yeah, no. Keep going. You're doing great. Oh, no. Please keep doing it. I'm sure it's going to play at our next fucking, our next G4 summit, whatever the fuck we call

that thing. When our ad guy, Stephen Che, plays one of our, when I, when I, go on and on and on about stupid shit like farting while I poop he's going to play it for our whole fucking company and every single person that's ever worked for parcel. Shout out Stephen Chee. My point being, if I had

some dude wipes, maybe it wouldn't have been so maybe there's some science to it was a little dry under there or something. Maybe a little moisture would have helped me out and dude wipes I just need to always bring those things with me. Yeah. Well, Frankie, you can find dude wipes at Amazon

or dude wipes at Walmart, target nationwide or go to dowives.com, use the code 415. That's F-O-R-E-1-5. You're going to get 15% off your entire order. So go to do-wives.com, code 415, get 15% off your entire order. All right, that is a really good way to bring in now an incredibly special guest, who is legitimately awesome. I was, I think people were going to be able to hear, pumped to talk to him.

He's just one of those guys like I would have never thought we'd have Hal Sutton on. He's such an interesting care. He's been a part of such interesting things that have happened in the last, you know, 20, 25 years of golf. So here is Hal Sutton. All right, ladies and gentlemen, we're joined by one of my favorites. I honestly, just one of my favorite guys to watch. He's got a phenomenal record resume when it comes to golf, major champion, 14-time PGA Tour champion.

He's one of the players. championship twice on the PGA championship at famed Riviera and he is the caller of one of the most famous calls in the history of golf. Kyle Sutton, welcome to the show. Thanks, Rick. Appreciate it. Glad to be on

with you all. Yeah, we are we're pumped for this one. We've been kind of talking in our group but I can't even imagine. I mean, I know you'd name your podcast after it, but I can't even imagine how many times in a week or so you probably hear beat the right club today. Well,

you know, in the golf environment, a lot of people know the phrase and use the phrase. And as I say all the time, I'm glad I was able to give that phrase to the golf world. You know, it was an iconic moment for me. I mean, that came out of a moment of passion, to be honest with you. I didn't want to have to play another hole against, Tiger. I'd gone far enough. Incredible. No, I mean, it is.

And it's rare. I mean, in any sport. A call is usually known for an announcer, Jim Nance. This is like the guy that hit the shot, call this own shot. And it's just so good. Well, it was, you know, to be frank about how that came about. I hit the shot. I had the yardage.

I hit the club exactly the way I want to hit it. It's headed right at the hole. And I knew the only thing that could keep me from winning that tournament at that point was something out of my control. wind or something. And I mean, I'm just looking at it thinking, please be what I'm seeing, you know. Was that something, was that like a go-to line for you, like growing up playing? Or is that something that just came out of the blue?

That came out of the blue. I have no idea where it came from. It just, you know, it's in the air. It's headed right at the flag. And I'm thinking, do not fool me. Just be what I'm looking at. That's amazing. Well, I'll tell you, not long after that.

you all remember Tom Watson hit the perfect shot at the British Open and somehow it went over the green. And that's how, I mean, we're splitting hairs out there. All these guys today, they're splitting hairs. And, you know, it can just as easily go the other way. We actually just brought that scenario up recently when we were talking about analytics, right? Like, you can have all the perfect numbers written down on a sheet of paper. You can know exactly what club to hit on what certain day, on what certain pin, on what certain hole. But at the end of the day, you can hit the perfect analytical shot and something that, you know, nature or something that you couldn't control is going to happen to that ball like Tom Watson and it can cost you a major championship.

It really makes you think about the game and the level of, you know, impact the nature has. Well, I think that's what we love about the game as golfers. You know, we love the fact that we know we can't perfect it and, you know, trying to learn how to control the things we can control. and stop trying to control the things that we can't control. That's the beauty and that's the art of the game right there. You know, that year or two, 2000 is known for Tiger Woods and maybe the best year of golf that's ever been played. He took down everybody that year. He's beaten people by 15 shots, by eight shots.

And at one of the more iconic venues in the world, you stood up to him in one of the very few. that went toe to toe that took him down. You know, like for you looking back, you know, historically and in context, like how impressive, you know, for yourself even is that to look at now? Well, you know, TPC power is not the most important thing at Sawgrass. You know, Pete Dye, all of his golf course, he designed where it's point A to point B to point C. and I did that pretty darn good.

And at the time, I was playing really, really well. And, you know, I knew that I could beat him. You know, the night before the last round, in the press tent, they're trying to tell me every reason why I should succumb. And I finally got up and I said, look, I said, you know, this morning when I was saying my prayers and I was on my knees, I said, I was not praying to Tiger Woods. That makes him a man just like me, and we'll go out there and we'll settle this tomorrow. Enough sit.

And, you know, I just was fed up with the way the world was handling Tiger at the time. And, you know, the week before, he had beat Davis Love, Davis had a three-shot lead on him at Bay Hill, and Tiger came back and beat him. And Colin Montgomery had told everybody in the press tent that week that everybody was playing for second. Nobody could beat Tiger. And the world needed to know someone could beat Tiger. and, you know, I felt like I was not only playing for Hal Sutton, I felt like I was playing for you and everybody else that was a golfer,

because, you know, we need it, we need, that's what we love about golf is the competition. People trying to win golf tournaments, being close to winning and losing, not just, you know, predetermined. And if you gave me like a pop-up speech every morning, I would be the most successful human being on earth. You're like giving me chills the way you talk about that. About like, he's just a man. Let's go out there and beat him.

It's awesome. It's just so it makes sense because you went out there and you did it. You didn't back down. He had awesome golf shots. It's just getting me, I mean, giving me the chills. We're all big tiger guys. You probably are too, but it's just giving me the chills. Well, let me tell you, there's even more to this story than you may know about.

The year before in 99, I played really, really well. And I called my caddy, Freddie, and I said, in December. And I said, I want you to come into my office. And so he comes into the office and I said, Freddie, I said, somewhere on the West Coast, we're going to get paired with Tiger Woods the first two days. I know it's coming. And I said, I have a mission for both of us. We've got to beat him both reps.

And Freddie says, well, why is that important the first two days? And I said, there's three people that need to know this can be done. You, me, and Tiger. and I said, I can't control what Tiger thinks, but I said, I know that if you see me beat him twice and I see me beat him twice, the next time we get paired with him, we know we can do that. So as luck would have it, Riviera, the first two rounds, I'm paired with Tiger. And I beat him the first round and I beat him the second round. And, you know, it was part of a plan. I knew that was coming one day.

I was lucky that it actually happened at TPC where power wasn't the most important thing. And so you know in your head, you've almost got this premonition that, hey, we're, A, we're going to get paired together. And B, like, not only we're being paired together, but it's going to mean something for something even more important in the future, which turned out to be the final round of one of the biggest tournaments in the world of players' championships. So, you know, it's incredible that, hey, it came true, but I love that, you know, for average civilians like us, right? We're just talking about golf and trying to get better. We're breaking 100, breaking 80, whatever we're trying to do. And, you know, you're out there almost doing all these calculations, you know, the mental approach, knowing, right?

Like, I feel like you now knew that Tiger knew when you stood on that T and the first TBC saw. asked like Tiger knew, oh, this guy can actually beat me. Well, I think he and I have never talked about that, but I think Tiger knew he was going to have to beat me that I wasn't going to beat myself. And, you know, that's all we really can control is what we're doing. We can't control what the other guys doing. You know, Tiger jumped out there in shot 63.

The likelihood of me beating him would have probably been slim and none. But it wasn't the kind of golf course. It was going to give up a 63 at the time. and, you know, I felt good about it. It also speaks to the figure that Tiger was at that time that he's such a myth that you are taking it upon yourself to be like, no, we have to prove to the world that it is possible to beat this other human being. He's no different than us.

He just happens to be really good at the game of golf. Where does that confidence come from where you say to yourself, I'm going to be the guy that proves to the rest of the world that this guy isn't invincible, that he can be beaten? Well, I didn't, you know, when I, I just felt like I was going to get the chance one day. And I wanted to be prepared for the one chance that I get. And it kind of, you know, likens the other day when Phil wanted PGA. You know, I think Phil knew I might not ever get another chance to do this like this.

I've not seen Phil as focused as I saw him in that back night. He's looking around at everything normally. And, you know, he looked very focused to me as if to say, I'm not going to let this slip away. And it takes that sort of intent to be able to have a victory like that. How did you, you know, in Tiger Mania, everything that comes with that, the circus, sometimes they start moving when you haven't even putted out yet because people were focused on Tiger. What did you do personally, individually to stay in it, to play your game and to ensure that you had that same 100% focus on all your shots? Well, I mean, to me, golf is playing one shot at a time, and my only goal was to drive it down the middle of the fairway on the first hole.

And I tried, my goal was to match him shot for shot. and, you know, I don't remember, I'm not sure I missed any fairways that day, and I only missed one green. I missed the eighth green. And my goal was to make sure that every time I hit a shot, he was looking, that ball was going right where we wanted it to go.

And that kept pressure on him. I didn't want to open the door for him. And the one time that I got close to opening the door was on the whole that I missed the door. Green, it was on number eight, the long par three. And I, Pim was back left and I was trying to sneak it back there on the left side and got over the hill and the end of the bunker, rolled all the way across the bunker to the back side of the bunker.

I couldn't even stand in the bunker. And Tiger was up in front of me. He walked over there, and I can remember, he looked at the shot, turned around to Stevie, and he shook his head, no, you know, as if to say, he's dead. And when I couldn't stand in the bunker, you know, I'm squatted down really low, and I told myself, just stay level. Whatever you do, stay level. And I hit absolutely, I mean, I spent 25 years out there.

It was the greatest shot I've ever hit in my life. And, I mean, it popped up, perfect, soft, landed right where I wanted to, and went about eight feet past the hole, which, you know, somebody would have said, I'd have given a whole lot of money for eight feet past the hole before I hit that shot. And, you know, I made the putt, and we're walking to the night tee, and Tiger said, man, that was a hell of a shot right there. And, you know, that told him, I'm not going to go away. And, I mean, that's what he's done over and over again in his whole career

is he's hit that shot that was miraculous when he needed to hit it. And it was one time that he got done to him. Yeah, I was going to ask if you guys spoke much, you know, during that round at all. Yeah, you know, some. It was really funny. It got rained out. I don't know if you remember we were on the 12th hole and rained out and we had to finish on Monday. And we went out and warmed up and I got in the van before he did.

And I'm setting up in the seat right behind the driver. And he gets him behind me. And I'm sitting there. I hadn't said anything to him. You know, he's right behind me. And he reaches up and just grabs me really hard with both hands on both shoulders. He said, man, I had no idea there was this many rednecks in North Florida. He said, and they're all for you.

I said, Tiger, now you know how the rest of us feel. Right. That's so good. You know, you just don't know how, and us, again, like, we don't know what it's like inside those ropes. So it's cool. It's cool to hear that. And you guys are, I mean, your people out there, right? You're just people playing golf.

I don't win a golf tournament. Yeah, so it's cool. And it's probably helped you to know that you had kind of those fans with you, rooting for you. Well, it was really funny because as, as, as, we. we played further into it, you could feel the crowd. You could feel that they were as much for me, if not more for me, than Tiger. And, you know, I think the world of golf felt the same way that we did as players. You know, I mean, Tiger had said, you know, I won the golf tournament with my C game.

At one point, at one tournament, he made that statement, you know. And I totally understand what he meant by that. You know, he meant I didn't play my best, but I managed what I had really, really well. and, you know, that's a lot of what golf is, is managing whatever you have. I mean, you know, the best players in the world, they don't hit it perfect all the time. They just manage what they have. Tiger did it as good as anybody in the world. Yeah, it's, I mean, it is, you know, I guess it's a little bit difficult for people to go back in that time and picture being someone other than Tiger, being obsessed with Tigers.

because we just look at it as so iconic and monumental. But like you said, when somebody's making comments, like, I can win with my C game, and here you are, you know, you've been a top 10 player in the world for, I think, over, you know, 100 weeks in your career. And you're out there probably, like a lot of the other guys, thinking, like, no, it ain't that easy. Like, we're out here to play, too.

We can play some golf. So, yeah, I mean, I imagine it's a little personal on some level. It is. You know, Tiger was always, I enjoyed, playing with Tiger. I mean, every time I ever played with Tiger, I looked forward to it. In my opinion, you know, my career spanned long enough that I played quite a bit with Nicholas. He was in his, you know, late 30s and early 40s whenever I played with him. But, you know, and then it span long enough than in Tiger's early years, I was playing with him.

And they were completely different kind of players, both dominant but different. You know, I get asked all the time to explain the difference between Jack. Nicholas and Tiger Woods. You know, to me, Jack Nicholas knew his strengths. He had a great inventory of what he could do. He knew his strength, knew his weaknesses, and managed both,

played into his strengths and away from his weaknesses. Tiger is the only guy that I've ever played golf with in my life that didn't worry about the next shot. No matter where it went, he knew he had that shot. Now, that must be fun to play golf like that. The most fun. Like, I mean, I'm currently in the midst of trying to do this Breaking 100 series where I'm working on my game all the time.

And I don't know where any shot's going ever. And I feel like anywhere that I end up now that I'm trying to get this new swing and implement it into my game, I don't know if I have any shots. So to have the complete opposite feeling of that to be like, I'm going to hit this ball as well as I can. And no matter where it ends up, I'm going to have that shot. I think he's maybe the only person in history, him and Nicholas maybe, but him in particular who has had that feeling where, it's fine. I'll be able to hit this ball no matter where it goes. That's incredible. Yeah, I'm not sure Jack had that. I think Jack had some shots that he didn't really want to put the ball in. And I think Tigers walked up to every shot saying, I've hit this shot before in my life and I'm liable to hit it again right here.

All right, we've got to talk about some new technology, which is 4D technology. I imagine you guys saw this of my golf swing at the U.S. Women's Open in four dimensions, which is one more dimension, than I knew was possible. Yeah, it was something. That was quite a swing. I mean, they got all the angles. Every single angle from front, back, side to side. It was a lot of cameras.

What was it, like 88 cameras or something? 88 cameras they got on that puppy. That's just sound like that. When you step into there, you got to feel about as exposed as you can feel. Well, it's also, I mean, this fucking camera is, for the whole day, taking 8, angles of the best swings in the world.

This is the biggest championship in the game. It's the U.S. Open. And then mine, which is just not one of the best swings in the world. And on top of that, the whole Cisco crew is like standing there. Yeah, you're going to meet them at 430 on Wednesday. And we roll up. And the Cisco team's awesome. They're the ones that powered this 4D technology.

So what you could do was, you know, you can legitimately just log into the app, the U.S. Women's Open app, and now coming up, the U.S. Open app at Tori Pines, and check out everyone in the field swing in 4D, which is so sick. You'll be able to look at any angle, but it's not like, it's not 2D from any angle, which you get a lot of stuff. It's four dimensions. So you go all over the place, you can just see it. It's really, really, really cool.

But, you know, they were like, yeah, meet us down there. I go down there. There's a whole Cisco team. They're cool. We're chatting. I'm about to hit. And then, like, Danielle Kang, rolls up, who is our, she's great. She's our friend.

I interviewed her. But like she's preparing for a U.S. Open, a major on Wednesday afternoon. She's like the last person out, it's her or her caddy. And like, we had to like just stop our production so that she could do her thing and like tee off.

And everybody's kind of like, uh-huh, and then I had to step in there into the gauntlet and swing and knowing that it's going to be dissected on the internet. So you're actually, I was actually trying to swing in a way that I thought would look aesthetically better than and not hit a,

good golf job because who cares, which just fucks you up even more. So the whole thing was very exposing. Where'd the ball go? So the first one went a little right. The second one went way right. And then I did a third one that went dead straight over the bunker pipe down the fairway. Hold on. So you didn't swing your normal swing.

So you tried to make mimic a prettier swing that you knew wasn't going to be affected? I mean, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's, yeah. Because you're being filmed in 4D. Nobody can see where the ball goes. Like, do you, when it's when it's picture day at school, do you wear a better outfit? Yeah. Thank you, Tret. Boom. Exactly. What a good point. No, no. That doesn't work because it's like.

You sure? I think it works. No, because there's a bad outcome with wearing that shirt. Like, would you, I dress like shit. Would you dress like shit to fail all your classes, but at least you looked good. But you could have, like, dressed like shit and got all age. You're making my brain. No, but like, but what you got to realize there's no outcome, like where my ball goes means literally nothing. Correct.

I'm not keeping score, like, it doesn't, it means literally nothing. I understand that. I'm just thinking of you try to make this pretty swing because, I mean, the internet says you have a horrible swing, Even though, like, a lot of people say there's a lot of good things. I'm pretty sure Butch Harmon said that I have a great swing. Right. No, I said the internet. The internet says you have a horrible swing.

But then I like people that know golf, actually. I wrote yuck on it. I quote tweet that I wrote yuck. Yeah, Frankie was mean. Frankie was mean. Well, fucking, you know, I got a text. It was like, hey, you guys see. They clearly wanted us to engage with it.

Craig was like, yeah, you see this swing about from Rigsie? So I was like, yeah, I'll engage with this shit. I'll engage with your tweet, Craig. So I just wrote yuck, and I fucking went on with my day. Look, the point is Cisco's awesome. Cisco is powering this whole thing. Cisco allowed there be an opportunity for Frankie to just write, Yuck, on my swing exposed in more dimensions than you existed.

So you can interact to control the footage from all the pros by downloading the U.S. Open app directly from the app store. This is something that's extremely cool and unique that our friends at Cisco will be making possible next week at the U.S. Open. and if you want to break 100, I'm going to give you some advice, Trent. You ready for that? Please. Block one side of the golf course out.

No matter how bad that miss is, you have got to only deal with one side of the golf course. So I have no idea what your swing looks like or anything else. But if you can get it going one direction, you can manage it. You've heard me use that word several times, manage. You've got to get it manageable. And that's block one side of the golf course. out. I think that's very strong advice and I need to, I think I would avoid a lot of trouble if I'm able to even implement that part of the time because right now it's just, I'm, I see, I'm all over

the golf course. I see parts of the golf course that no one else has ever seen and it's just I never know necessarily where it's going. So I think that's something very much I need to keep in mind. What level of golfers does that apply to? Is there a threshold where you just stop playing that way or should every person kind of take that approach when they're trying to become better? players in the world have blocked out one side of the golf course. And when that side of the golf course as in play, they're having to manage a lot of different things. You know, they want to make it effortless and their eye will only see one thing.

So that applies to every level of play. If you can block out one side of the golf course, you've got a much better chance to score. So let's say I block out the left side of the golf course. I'm a lefty, right? I want to hit everything with a draw. and I want to play the right side. What happens when I pull up to a fairway that has all water on the right side? What am I going to do mentally?

You're a lefty? Yeah. I'm sorry. Yeah, I knew that was coming. I felt that coming all the way from that. All the way from your office. It's not as bad as it used to be because they're finally making some good-looking equipment for them.

Right. They really are. Yeah, they are. They are. So here's the truth. In my game, I'm a right-handed player, and I really wanted to block the line. left-hand side out. And, you know, I hit a draw with my irons and I faded my driver a little bit. You know, I tried to block the left side out. That's the side you're wanting to bring into play.

I'll tell you this, that hook has got that face shutting down and it won't listen. It doesn't have ears. So when it gets wild and mad, you can't talk it down. It's going to scream out of here. Yeah. Yeah, it's true. It's just like a lefty draw. It's just the most beautiful thing I I think. Like when I'm striping my irons and I'm striping my drives and it's going left to right, everyone is oohing and on on the T-box. There's something about that dinky little fade to me. It's like, I don't want to do it, but I agree. I think I should choose one side. But my question remains, what do you do when that side that you've blocked out, you can't block it out? You must go to that side. Like, is that like you just like adjust there? Like, what happens to your plan there?

Well, I mean, there's been times in all of our careers where our intentions are good, but we can seem to do it. And, you know, I mean, to me, I talk about commitment to a lot of the kids that we talk to all the time. You know, you've got to get committed to a goal, a plan. And, you know, I played golf my whole life with a plan. And when I didn't have a plan, I couldn't execute. And I think better players need to have a plan of some sort.

And then never hit a shot that they're not committed to the shot, whatever their plan is. Yeah, we hear that. that's one of the most common things when a player on TV doesn't hit a great shot. It's like he wasn't committed to that shot. You know, like, obviously on a general level, I think people, like, oh, yeah, I know what that means. But, like, it's not like he wasn't, like, he pulled the club back and hit the shot. So he's clearly committed to doing it.

So, you know, for you, like, on a little bit of a deeper level, someone that's, you know, again, a phenomenal resume, a major champion, took down Tiger Woods. What does that really mean for someone to be committed to a golf shot? So let me give you an example. Let's say you're in between clubs. You picked the clubs that you're in between. And you're on the tour and your caddy is talking to you about it.

And, you know, the way we hear people talking about shots now between caddies and players, it's pretty interesting really because my caddy, Freddie, never had that much interaction with me. I didn't want that much interaction because that could cause confusion. So it's even more important today that they finally decide on something. So Freddie and I had a little inside pack. If I put my hand on one club, keep your mouth shut. if I put my hand on two clubs,

then that means I'm in between clubs and I welcome what you think. So whenever he would tell me what he thought, if I went that direction and it turned out to be wrong, he needed to take responsibility for that. Because if he didn't take responsibility for that, then I'm still thinking about that shot what the mistake that we made while I'm trying to hit the next shot.

So I've never really fully gone to the next shot because I'm still processing the last shot that we hit. But let's just say that I chose the club that I wanted to choose, and he had tried to talk me out of that. When I pull this club, I've got to be committed to the shot. An example of that was in 1986. I was in the last group with Greg Norman at Shinnock. He and I both were, it was on Sunday afternoon,

and we get to the par three on the front nine late in the round seven or eight. I can't even remember what hole it is. I pull six iron out and I've got the lead at the time and my caddy can tell I'm not a hundred percent sure of what I'm doing. He picks up the bag, sets it between the ball and the green. He said, go on and hit it, boss, if you can't. I mean, imagine the last round of the U.S. Open and that's what your caddy does to you. And I backed off and I'm like, what are you doing? He said, man, put that club back in the bag and when next time you pull it out, commit to it.

it. Whatever you do, commit to it. It was a great lesson for me to learn at the time. And I mean, I wasn't certain of what I was going to do. So I did commit to the shot. The wind came up, knocked it down in the front bunker, and it buried. I went to the shot, hit unbelievable shot out about a foot from the hole, and maintain the lead. But see, once I had committed to it, and I knew I did the best I could, I can move on to the next shot rather than keep thinking. about the last shot. So important. Yeah, I mean, it's a phenomenal story, and it is a good lesson, I think, for all golfers of all

levels, because there is, we joke a lot about how we don't have a plan. You know, we don't know how we don't have great swings, we don't have great touch, and we just, a lot of times you step up, you just, we're all about pace and play, we're trying to play quickly, we're having a good time, somebody's listening to music, and you hit a shot afterwards immediately. afterwards you we are just like man i had no plan i didn't know i didn't know what i was trying to do i even really know what club i was hit and what what the exact yardage was and so i mean it makes sense in a game we need to focus so much that having a plan and committing to that plan is going to be so

important and it sticks out to me i mean you and freddie you know must have been as close as you can be to have that kind of relationship under the gun well we we did and we had a great way he catty for me most of my whole professional career. And I mean, what we're talking about right now is so important to the game of golf. There's so many people that you can work with on your golf swing. But there's very few people that you can work with on your mind. And it's so important to me, and I think it's so needed that I'm fixing to start this new thing called less talk golf.

And I'm going to, I'm going to let people get into the mind of people that have played great golf. I'm going to have guests. my friends on and so that people can interact with some champions on what they thought and how they thought it. And, you know, I think the easiest way for everybody to improve out there is stop thinking about your golf swing and start thinking about the inventory of what you can do and start managing what you already have. No one is doing a very good job of that. So where can people find this? This, let's talk off. Where are you going to be? How are they going to be able to listen and hear and watch you and get back.

Well, it's coming. Our first night is going to be June 30th, and we're going to have a Zoom call just like this, and people will be able to type their questions in, and, you know, here I am doing exactly what I'm doing right now, and I'm going to be talking to everybody about it. So you follow us on Twitter at Hal Sutton Golf, you'll see all the details coming forward,

and Instagram both, Hal Sutton Golf. Talk me through. then now, you know, talk me through what the shot, you know, we've talked about it a little bit, but 72nd hole players championship against Tiger Woods. I believe you're 179 out. I think you end up hitting a six iron. Like, once you pulled that club, what goes through your mind before you strike that ball and you have, you know, be the right club today?

What do you, is it a swing tip you're minding yourself? Is it a commitment thing? What are you saying to yourself in those moments between pulling the, club and hitting the shot. Well, really not a whole lot. I'm not saying anything. I'm actually, I'm trying to let my mind be as quiet as it can be. And the best shots in the world are when you're quiet in your head.

And that means you're committed, and that means you're not thinking about a multitude of things. And, you know, but it goes way back beyond that. You know, we're, Freddie and I had already decided if I had the lead on the last hole and just a one shot lead, I had hit three wood on 18. all three days before that, aiming out to the right, hitting four iron into the green and stuff like that. I knew Tiger was going to hit his two iron stinger,

and I could not hit my three wood past his two iron stinger. So I told Freddie, if we get to the last home, we got a one-shot lead, I've got to hit driver because I've got to have the last shot into the, I've got to do whatever I've got to do. So, you know, Tiger, he eagled 16. I don't know if you remember that or not, and I had a three-shot lead, he eagles 16, and I parked.

So we go to 17 with a one-shot lead. And so he had the T on 18. He hit that perfect two iron stinger down there. So it's driver time, you know. So I hit the driver exactly where I was trying to hit it. So I went to the shot with a lot of confidence. I had drove it perfect all day long. I did miss one fairway.

I drove it on 16 just in the edge of the right rough. And that's why I didn't go for the grain. And, you know, the whole thing was a plan. you know, I'm just executing the plan. And that's what every great football team does. That's what every great baseball, basketball team. They have a plan and they try to execute the plan. And golf is no different than that.

It's really stuck out to me, too, you know, the different generations and the different, you know, stars and eras of the game even that you played through and that you played with. I mean, you mentioned Jack Nicholas, you mentioned Greg Norman, everybody knows Tiger Woods. To you, how much is the game changed from, you know, 70s, early 80s to, you know, even now? Because you've had a front row seat to a lot of it. Well, it's changed a lot.

You know, the distance factor has changed a lot of things. You know, when I was out there, you know, accuracy was most important. And, you know, it's not that distance wasn't important, you know. We just need to – I felt like I was a better player out of the fairway than I was out of the road. rough. But now everybody hits it so far, they got short irons into the green out of the rough. And, you know, I think, you know, yeah, I could say, I wish the USDA had kept a better handle on all this, to be honest with you, because it's cost of consumer billions of dollars. From, from equipment to renovating golf courses to bring them up to standard, we've got some

some golf courses that were incredible golf courses that, you know, you can't play anymore because these guys hit it too far. And, you know, we just, we didn't have the policemen in the game because they were afraid of litigation. They were afraid the manufacturers were going to sue them. And they went to sleep at the wheel and guess what happened? The manufacturers took over. And to be honest with you guys, what happened is they sold distance.

The manufacturers did like they addicted you to distance. they've addicted everybody to distance. We have kids that come in here and we're talking to them. They're wanting to know what their swing speed is and how far they hit it. You know, I keep trying to tell them, you do know that at the end of the day, all they ask is what you shot. That's all you got a sign.

They never tell you how far did you hit a T-shot. The rest of the world is worried about that, but low score wins, not long as drive. Now, how, on my side, so do you think that it ended up being good for the game of golf, though, to get these kids? Is there something natural about wanting to hit it the furthest, about wanting to have your car go the fastest, about wanting to hit the furthest home runs, the most home runs? Like, you saw the boom in the MLB with Sammy Sosa and Mark McGuire. It was the best thing that's ever happened in the sport. Is there a part of you that thinks like this actually did help

the game of golf? Maybe not the actual game, the way to play it, but, you know, the general sport and playability of the average man or woman? Well, it didn't help it near as much as the pan did. Yeah, that's true. So, you know, I mean, to be honest with you, before the pandemic came along, you know, golf was, there were fewer golfers playing than ever before. Now, the demographics, the age demographics, I guess, are probably different. You know, there's a lot of youth in the game now, which is good. But, you know, I'm, I'm excited about how many people love the game again. There have been people come back to the game that had left the game. And, you know, and then we can thank the pandemic for that.

It has nothing to do with how far a guy hits it, that that happened. And, you know, I love watching the ball go a long ways. I wish I could make it go a long ways. I'm going the wrong direction. It's getting closer to me instead of further from me. But I'm 63 now. So, you know, I guess I have that right at this age. Most guys have tried different ways to last longer in bed.

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So you're doing the sex. That's an exciting time. What a time to be alive. You did it. Congratulations. But then you're, then I'm going to spend that time. thinking about glaciers? Like, that makes no sense.

I'd rather be thinking about what's going on in the moment while not getting too overwhelmed. There you go. Right, but sometimes the moment is just too much. You know, the moment is what gets you to build up where you got to carry old toes. Or potentially, you just think about your own body because your own body is just disgusting. But you know what you, no, no, you don't think about anything. You don't think about you, you stay in the moment and the way to not get too overwhelmed is you use

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It's funny to say that because one of my questions was going to be, You've obviously played for a long time in your life. And we have a lot of listeners, which I tend to forget that are, you know, of the older demographic. I'll have people come out to me at golf courses. And my dad's one of the biggest listeners of the show. So what would you say to someone that's growing with the game, growing older while playing, and how to adjust your game? Like, how have you had to do it, right?

Because you go back to your 20s and your 30s. You have a different swing. Is it a different swing thoughts? Is it a different mindset? How would you talk those people through how to go out there and play? way. Well, first of all, I'm going to say this one more time, an inventory of what you do. Let's be honest about what you can and can't do. The second thing is, get with a group of guys that play the correct tease. You know, my ego, in the old days, you know, show me where the back

tee is and tell me what the course record is. And that was what interested me. Now, I don't, My ego is not so big. I don't need to prove anything to anybody. I want to go out there and enjoy the game. And let me tell you what's enjoyable. Make it a birdie. Have you all ever made a bird? Trent, have you ever made a bird?

I have, yeah. It's going to stun some people. It's probably going to stun you too, but I have. Okay, good. All right. So you know what's fun about the game. When you made that birdie, it was fun, right? Oh, I felt that juice.

Yeah, I like that juice. Absolutely. Well, that's what's fun. But if you play the incorrect, and all you do is feel like you've been in the ring with Mike Tyson all the time, you're not going to stay in the game, you know? So, you know, I think everybody needs to come to grips with what you can and can't do and play the correct tee that will allow you to feel good about yourself when you leave.

Yeah, I agree. I think that's a great point. And you sometimes see, you know, an older guy, I'll be playing with my dad or his friends, and I'll be playing the blues or the blacks. And they're like, there's that thought of, oh, like, do we want to? to go up there because they're men. They're my father. They're older guys. But they end up going up there and they have a great time. They move up a tee or two. And like you said, instead of having the 180-yard shot that they feel like they couldn't really hit it onto the green, they have 150-yard shot. And now

they're able to place around to the green and maybe make a bird of your two for the day. You go home, you have a great score on the scorecard. You have your beers and your cigars and you're done. That's all it should be at that point. Well, at the end of the day, this is a social game that we compete in. And the biggest who we really compete with is ourselves. And, you know, if you can find where you're comfortable at and live within that range, I think you have a better chance of enjoying the game. Yeah, I think, I mean, talking about the distance thing, right? It is funny that you might get a little bit of instant gratification out of hitting a bomb and hitting it way out there,

hitting it further than your buddies. But, like, you see it all the time when people mess that up or they make a boat. gear double from it. In reality, what's really fun is like hitting it in play, hitting it straight, hitting it on the green, like playing golf well, I think probably keeps people coming back more than, you know, just hitting a few really, really far because golf when you're playing well and, you know, you've got looks for birdie and you could string together a good round of golf is, I mean, I think that's the most fun thing in the world is when you're playing pretty damn good golf. Yeah, well, there's no doubt about it. And going back to Tiger and I of that day,

Tiger out drove me on almost every hole. And the great part about that is, is I hit the first shot into the green, and I never let up on the accelerator. So I kept, see, there was no open, the only open spot was on eight, and I kept the pressure on him, so he had to hit a good shot. And, you know, so you don't have to be the longest. You can keep the pressure on your fellow competitor if you hit a good second shot into the green.

So, you know, we got to fast forward about four years to the Rider Cup in 2004. You're the, you know, you're the U.S. Rider Cup captain, and you make the bold move of pairing Phil and Tiger together, which I love. You know, I think all the clips from it are, it's just such a memorable move. talk us through, you know, that entire experience of pulling that move, all the media that went around it and, you know, your thought process on it. Well, there's a whole lot to this. And first of all, you know, Tiger and Phil weren't the best of friends at the time. And, I mean, I don't think they were enemies, but they just weren't butts.

And, you know, I analyzed that. I go back, Arnold Palmer, Jack Nicholas, and Tom Watts. and weren't the best of friends either. They were competitors. And they played 12 times with each other at the Ryder Cup, and they were 11 and 1. So there was a precedence for this sort of thing. And I remember telling Jackie Burke,

Jackie Burke and Steve Jones were my two assistant captains. And I brought Jackie in because I didn't think anybody at that juncture knew Jackie very well. and I thought Jackie was the brightest guy in golf at the time, 85 years old, but he knew more about golf than anybody I knew. And then Steve Jones, I brought him back because he wanted Oakland Hills, and he had had elbow surgery and everything else, and it was kind of a tribute to Steve to get him back involved. And we had a talk, and I said, you know, I'm really tempted to do this,

put them together. And neither one of them were real big on doing it. I said, you know what? I said, let's just suppose that they play great. If they do, I never left a Ryder Cup match where I played with someone that I went to war with them, that I didn't leave there a better friend with them. Win or lose, I was a better friend with them because we had tried to accomplish something together. And I said, if they leave better friends, golf is the winner.

and that was the justification behind it. And, you know, the first match, they got beat, I think, two and one, if I remember correctly, and they were nine under after 11. So it wasn't like they played terrible. Colin Montgomery and Padraig Harrington just played a lot better than them. The second match, Phil didn't play very good. And, you know, Phil, I could go back and tell you a lot of stories about that, but Phil was angry with me because I didn't.

tell him who he was going to play with. He wanted to know who he was going to play with. And I said, Phil, as soon as I know, I'll let you know. And, you know, he switched balls and club two weeks before we went up there. And on Wednesday, he tells me he's not even going to play a practice round because he didn't know how far the ball was going to go. He said, I've got to go over here and try to figure out how far this Calaway ball is going. And then he badmouthed me and said, I didn't give him time to get used to Tiger's

ball. He didn't even come up there with a ball. that he was used to and even understood. And see, I took that on the chance. I didn't say anything about this for a long, long time. And it really, I quit the game after that. I left after that five years. I didn't play golf.

I was so disgruntled with everything. And, you know, I'm sharing this with y'all now because, I mean, Phil and I are fine. We're friends. But I sent him a congratulatory text for winning the PGA. and but that was all mishandled every bit of that was mishandled and you know when you work hard on something for a year or two like you do the rider cup and it's a thankless job my dad begged me not to do it he said howley said there's no upside to it if you win they get all the credit all

the players do if you lose you get all the blame and how true is that absolutely the truth so it's very true Yeah, I mean, I'm not going to lie. I was really put out with golf for five years. And I just, I didn't want anything to do with it. And it's something that I love is something I've done my whole life. And finally, I got over it. I said, you know, I'm going to go back and play.

And by the time I went back and played, my hips were locked up. I had arthritis in my hips. I've had both hips replaced. And now I've had my left knee replaced as well. so there's no more competitive golf left in me, but still know a lot about the game. It's, man, it's really encompassing of all the worst parts about media, you know. And like you said, the fact that it's so thankless,

the fact that people break it down when, you know, the captain, you didn't hit a single golf shot. It's like if you put guys out there and the other team plays better golf, the other team's players hit better golf shots, your team's just going to lose. and that's what it comes down to. And yet, you know, people, they want to drag captains. They wanted to drag you.

They wanted to drag Tom Watson. They wanted to drag all kinds of people for, you know, even on the other side, like Nick Fowled it, when he didn't win, they wanted to drag Kim. And it's like, no, the players are the ones that hit the golf shots. It's crazy. Yeah, it is crazy. You know, the Rider Cup, I love being there as a player. I played on four Router Cup teams.

And, you know, I had a winning record. I mean, I'm one of the few Americans. that is alive today that says they could say they had a winning record you know it's been a my favorite thing in golf was being on the 99 rider cup team uh we came from so far behind and you know it's one of my fondest memories that i look back on and think man i'm so glad i was part of that it was so electric uh never been in a in a sporting event for golf that was more electric than that. Anyway.

That's been such a consistent answer from players that we've talked to that have been in Rider Cups. It seems as though that's every player's favorite memory or top two or three memories playing on a Ryder Cup team. And I always wonder if it's because of the team aspect, right? Like you guys are out there on your own. You've got to make your own dollar. It's a tough living being a professional golfer.

And finally, you get to get guys where they have your back. you have their back, kind of a lockerer mentality, right? Is that why that adds to that? And obviously the country playing for your country. But it's been such a consistent answer. It's amazing. Well, I think playing for your country is a big part of it, but also I think the fact that this shot not only matters for you,

it matters for a lot of other people. You know, golf is an individual sport, and if I fail, I only fail myself. But in the Ryder Cup, you fail, you fail a lot of people. And I think that's what's so, important about that's why we love the Ryder Cup I think it's one of the greatest sporting events that there is you know the media center at the Ryder Cup

there's 1,500 people in the media center at the Ryder Cup it's bigger than the Super Bowl and I mean a lot of people don't know that but I mean you go into Media Center at the Ryder Cup you will be shocked and it's a big deal all around the world yeah it is it's um yeah it's funny because you know we we do even as fans.

We take the Ryder Cup on such a different level than you take any other golf. You know, you and all your buddies that are all American and from the same country, like, we're all geared up in red, white, and blue, and it's like we're a part of the team. So it's the feeling, right, that like, oh, yeah,

this is our event. Like, we are going to win whereas on a normal tournament, there's no we, it's you're out there, howls out there, tigers out there, Rider Cup, we're all playing as a team. Yeah, well, I mean, you know, you go to a normal golf tournament, you have your favorite, that's who you're pulling for. You go to the Ryder Cup, you have your favorite team, and that's who you're pulling for.

And you're pulling for everybody on that team, and every shot matters. And, I mean, there's nothing like the Ryder Cup in golf. That is, to me, that's the ultimate one. Yeah, they made the right decision moving it for sure. Like, you couldn't have had that with no fans. The Ryder Cup with no fans just isn't a Ryder Cup. No, that's right. That's exactly right. So I'm glad they moved it.

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choose it based off of how the team they think is going to perform the best right we've heard like rumors and speculation that captains will they'll all get together and that's like how they'll choose the course of the layout. Money talks. Trust me, it's the biggest moneymaker the PGA of America has. And they're looking for where they think they can have the greatest competition and do quite well financially from it. I'm glad we got that cleared up because you hear it all the time.

Oh, in France, they had it because these guys were more target golfers and the USA wasn't going to be able to compete with them. So, and whistling straight, we're going to be able to. I'm not sure how the Europeans do it. I just, now, I do know that the captain has the ability to influence the setup of the golf course. But I don't think he has the ability to choose the venue. Now, when you, did you have, did you have your hand in the way the course was set up? I tried to influence Carrie Hague to set it up the way I thought it should be set up. And, you know, one of things at Oakland Hills is really, this is really a funny story.

So after the first day, you know, we've got walkie-talkies and headphones on, and I radioed Steve and Jackie Burke. And I said, well, we got to set Tiger or Phil. We got to make a statement. and I said, you know, I've got my opinion on who we're going to sit down the next morning. I said, I want y'all to tell me what y'all think, and this is so funny. Jackie Burke said, well, hell, how? He said, if you got any guts, set them both.

And I said, no, we can't do that, Jackie. He said, but why do you say that? And he said, we don't have a snowball chance in hell. He said, every American's trying to play every shot in the air. And he said, the Europeans know how to use the ground to maneuver the ball. At Oakland Hills, you got to use the ground to maneuver the ball. He said, everybody, you were standing on the ninth tee, telling everybody to hit it left of the flag and let the land move the ball of the right. And he said, I don't know what the attraction to the pen was, but all the Americans were firing it right at the pen.

And we lost the hole all day long. But here is the reason for that. The Americans are a product of their environment. That is the way we play golf. That is the mentality that they use every week. That's how they make the living that they make. And so the arena that they play in, that's the way they play. Now, you go play in Europe.

It's a whole different story. They use the ground to maneuver the ball. They landed over here to make it go over there. And, you know, it's just different game here than it is over there. It's interesting. We were in Australia for the President's Cup. And we remember on the first hole at Royal Melbourne, they were actually, the international team was flying it into like that marshy,

high, rough stuff. And they knew that it was going to come running out of it and go right onto the green. And we actually were so close to the T-box, we were able to hear guys kind of talking about different types of shots. Like, oh, did you see how hard that ground was? And did you see how they were running it? It was amazing to see. And it is interesting the differences when you're in another part of the world,

how you could just play the game completely differently. Yeah, it's, you know, I never enjoyed going over to Europe that much to play golf just because, you know, I was in this arena here, you know, and we travel so much, you know, I just didn't want to be a world globe trotter. And I stayed here and played a lot. I didn't, I think I only played in 10 British opens, if I remember right. I could have played in more. I just didn't go. That's, I mean, it's your choice. It's probably smart.

You're like, no, I fly the ball in the air. I'm not going over there. They're playing late to golf. Why would we do that? I have to mention, too, you know, you've obviously had a lot of success, a lot of success in the game, and I just want to give you the opportunity to talk a little bit about some of the good things that you've done with that. I know you received the Payne Stewart Award in 2007 for your charitable efforts, the Children's Hospital in your hometown.

You've helped kind of spearhead and raise millions of dollars for, for hurricane relief. So, you know, how important is that charitable kind of, you know, the bone in your body that you've had clearly throughout your life to help others? Because it's awesome. It means a lot. Well, I don't think I was there in the beginning, to be honest with you. I was chasing my own selfish dreams.

And I think what ends up happening after you've had some success and you realize that that's not everything that you thought it was going. going to be, that there has to be more in a life than that. And then being able to do something to help somebody else is pretty darn rewarding. And, you know, probably the thing that I'm the most proud of is being recognized with the Payne Stewart Award. You know, every year I go to the Payne Stewart Award and listen to the speeches of everybody that's wanted and how overwhelmed they are that people see them in that light.

and, you know, all of the people have accomplished great things that have won the Payne Stewart Award, but they will tell you emphatically that helping others was what really was gratifying to them. It's awesome. That's great. It's cool to hear that perspective from somebody, again, that's had a lot of success and feels like it comes from the right place. So, you know, thanks, obviously, for all that hard work. That's amazing.

Well, I appreciate that. You know, talking to all the kids out there, you know, it takes, there's never been a really successful person that wasn't selfish to some degree. And, you know, it took people around them allowing them to be selfish instead of telling them what they're not doing all the time. And you look at anybody that's ever performed at a really high level, you know, they probably had to be pretty selfish to get to that point. And the best part of it is, is through the evolution of time and having wisdom come from all your successes. Hopefully you graduate into that. I need to give something back. And I see a lot of that in the guys today.

That part of it, you know, I really, what Justin Thomas did for Mike, Big Mike, was a pretty cool thing, to be honest with you. And, you know, I see a lot of guys giving a lot of things back. And, you know, I'm proud of golf for what that's doing. Yeah, it is. It's cool. The JT story was awesome. I mean, people don't really realize what it takes to make it, how hard it is, how expensive it is.

So having those funds is huge. Well, and so few people actually make it, too. And, you know, so when, they do give back, that's pretty cool. You know, there's so many people, you see the stars. We see everybody that's making it. But for everybody that's making it, there's a hundred that's not, or a thousand, whatever the number is.

And, you know, those guys are spending money. They still love the game. They're still trying. You know, Big Mike had been trying for a long time, you know, and finally got in a tournament, you know, and he was, you know, it was a pretty cool thing. Very cool thing. Yeah.

Yeah. Well, look, we appreciate it. Well, Hal, I'm sorry. I have to ask one question because, you know, with the players. We got into a debate and we talked to Will Zaltoris about this. Now, we're going to talk about a 10 handicap here in this scenario. If you're talking to a 10 handicapped player, which hole would they have a better chance at making a better score? 12 at Augusta or 17 at TPC Sawgrass?

Well, in my opinion, I think 17 at sawgrass, you'd have a better chance to have a better score. And here's the reason why it's kind of out in the open. What the elements is doing is no mystery to you. Number 12 at Augusta, I think I played there 17 or 18 times. And I never knew for sure what that wind was doing on number 12. So to stand over, you know, that may be the one place that consistent. I wasn't 100% committed to the shot I was about to hit because I didn't know what was going on there. Okay.

Yeah, that's fair. We've heard both sides. My debate was always, you have more room for error? Or am I saying that the opposite way? There's less room for error? More room? Whatever. You can hit a bunker.

You can go long. You can go short. You're not going to be wet. I think if you get the shanks, if you get the chunks at TPC, good night. Like, you're never getting that thing on that island. Well, that's true. That's true. But I can tell you, if you shank it on number 12 at Augusta, you're not going to have a good score.

Trust me. All right, that's great. Thank you. That's what I needed. How we honestly, we appreciate it, man. We appreciate you taking the time. I know it's late. We made you go back to the office, which again, your office looks awesome.

So that's good. Well, no big deal. I've enjoyed it. Hey, being on y'all's podcast was an honor for me. You know, we've got our podcast started and now be the right club today podcast. And I know the effort that goes into it. So I appreciate what y'all are doing. And, you know, being on here was an honor for me.

Any final words on Trent and on his pursuit to break 100? Because this is a hot topic right now. So I want my God to get gassed up. I want him to get gassed up. I don't know. Trent, let me get my email and I'll send you some. some tips that they don't hear about so that you can get better and say you did it on your own talk.

I gave the one on here where block out one side of the golf course. There's a little more to it. Listen, all right. First of all, I'm going to get your email for sure. And the series is breaking you 100. That's like the poll. That's what people want to see. But the real goal is to beat the other guys on these screens here.

Okay. I don't, we don't need, I appreciate you giving out the one free tip to all three of us. but when you and I will exchange some emails and I'll get the secrets and we'll be well on our way. There you go. I'll be looking for the email. Riggs and I have secretly just been taking all the tips that he's been getting so that we can improve our scores

because if we just sit back, he's just going to, I'm going to end up being the fourth on the podcast and scoring. He's just going to close the gap. It's just, it's just going to be better than we are. Yep. Well, look, we appreciate it. We really do. Go check him out, Hal Sutton Golf,

on Twitter, on social media. You've got Let's Talk Golf coming out soon and be the right club today podcast. So Hal Sutton, you know, major winner, legend in the game, 14-time PGA Tour winner, and now you've been a guest on the show. So we appreciate it. I appreciate you, Riggs.

Thanks.