Fore Play - Handicap Police, The Worst Creatures Among Us

Episode Date: April 27, 2023

An old school show. The handicap police have crawled out from their caves yet again, the Islanders survived another night, Frankie makes a compelling point about sports stats being documented unjustly..., LIV Golf appears to be having a great month, and a few From The Galleries are discussed.You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hey, 4Play listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcast, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Oh, Rick! What's that my brother? I got a buddy who struggles with that shot a lot. His name's Frankie Burrilli. So the guys actually gave him a nickname of Butter Nives because he's always nice to the cross the green. Broads 100.
Starting point is 00:00:24 Now you've got to break 90. We appreciate what you guys do for golf. It's been really cool. Thank you. You're making it cool. I was like, hey, Phil, you only fucking $29.99. And he grabs 100. He's like, yeah, I won $90,000 of these yesterday.
Starting point is 00:00:37 He goes, take 100 and go fuck yourself. What? What are you that hitting? It's ain't a hobby. Foreplay. We're basketball sports. Brought to you by Chevy, the Chevy Silverado Ev. The most valuable truck for Barstool Sports.
Starting point is 00:00:53 Not just the four play podcast. We love that thing. We're in the middle of Barstool Classic season. We had two already this week. when this podcast comes out. We have a third one this week in San Diego. Big shout out to Max Homa. Colt knows who showed up, played yesterday.
Starting point is 00:01:06 We had a lot of Jay Feely qualified. He played on the first day. We've had a bunch of big names. Johnny Mansell was a no show for the event yesterday, which is right in line. So on brand. When he did a podcast with Casey Smith for years and years, he would kind of no show the podcast all the time.
Starting point is 00:01:21 So he no-showed this, which, by all accounts, Johnny Manzell is a bit of a late-night guy. We had an 8 a.m. shotgun. The whole crew there that knows him told me there, there's a very unlikely chance that he shows up, but he didn't show up. So I get it. 8 a.m. shotgun, not necessarily for non-morning people, and he's not a morning person. So if we shows up to the next one, but Maxwell McColt knows great time yesterday.
Starting point is 00:01:41 On that front, we have a huge video that just came out. So we're going to talk about that YouTube. We want people to go there. But I'm going to begin by just saying that I would like to thank everyone on the internet for how fucking stupid they are, how fucking stupid they are, that bitch about handicaps. And this happens every time we're five years into this thing. But I'm just so impressed at how people can fire off comments and then have absolutely no clue what they're talking about. And actually, when I read the internet and what people write on the internet, it makes me feel so impressive.
Starting point is 00:02:13 It makes me as a person feel like I'm so infinitely smarter than these fucking idiots out there that have no clue what goes on and then just levy missile after missile. And the latest example of this whole thing. And again, we're five years into this fucking thing. five years into the Barstool Classic. People still don't get it. And what they do is they get so rattled every time they see scores get posted. And the scores are low because we post the winners. So yesterday we had the winning score.
Starting point is 00:02:39 I believe they were 14 under that won the whole thing. The day before, I think it was 13 under that won the whole thing. And they go, no fucking way, a six handicap go out and they shoot 15 under and that somebody shot a 67 and a 70. They're not a six handicap. Here's what happens. People don't fucking understand. You can clip this.
Starting point is 00:02:56 You can put this out, Alex Bush. people don't fucking pay attention to how we actually do it. How we do it is this. Max Homa is a plus nine handicap. In order for Max Homa to play in the event and have a chance to win just like Kevin Kisner did, two years in a row, we won one year. Last year we did not play particularly well. We did not qualify.
Starting point is 00:03:12 But in order for anyone to be able to play, it's anybody's tournament, we take the lowest handicap in the field. And so that that person doesn't have to give shots back, which would mean Max Homa on nine fucking holes would have to make a par, net bogey. We don't want to do that. Obviously, that's incredibly stupid. So what we do, we shift the entire field off the lowest number in the field. So anytime that we have a field where the scores are incredibly low, it's very, very, very likely that we happen to have a player that field. That's a very low handicap. Max home is a plus nine. We might have a plus five. We
Starting point is 00:03:47 might have a plus six. We move everybody to zero. So what happened there is these guys that won the tournament. So you played lights out by all accounts. We talked to their playing partners. one of their playing partners actually, pardon my cheese steak guy who works for that vendor and company that we partnered with. Great guy. These guys are fucking hauling out from everywhere. They hold out from off the green like two or three times. They're going nuts. Colt and Max actually pointed to that group during one of the day.
Starting point is 00:04:09 It was like that group's having a blast. I don't know what's going on over there, but they're loud as hell because they're hauling out all day. They're both one handicaps. Okay. So course, handicap. They're about a 1.2. I think both of them handicaps. They go to a course two.
Starting point is 00:04:22 Max Homa is a fucking plus nine. So they'd be getting 11. we play 50% handicap. 50% of 11 is 5 and a half. We round up six. They both got six shots. That's how it works. Everyone on the internet.
Starting point is 00:04:36 It's like there's no way these six handicaps both shot around even par or whatever. No, no, no. They're not six handicaps. They're getting six shots. And then the other comment that we follows up with is this is why you never play at a handicap event. What a joke.
Starting point is 00:04:48 Good players have absolutely no chance whatsoever. Year five, we've had four champions up to this point. three of those teams out of the four, both players were a one handicap or lower. So this whole like mantra, people were fucking bitching and lobby a comment about like handicapped events are a joke. This is why there's tournaments a joke.
Starting point is 00:05:07 Look how low everybody's going. You're just fucking wrong. You're an idiot wrong person that has no fucking clue what you're talking about. You're just wrong. We're right. You're wrong. Our team puts enormous effort into scouting every fucking handicap
Starting point is 00:05:20 to the point where anytime someone's looks a little bit sketchy or it's changed dramatically or it has an asterisk next to it on the gin app which happens we look into it we reach out to fucking club pros where these guys play and ask about their handicaps and try to get it as right as we can most people that play in it understand this however lot of people that again lobby all the fucking assaults a bitch about the tournament go nuts online and call everybody a sandbagger have absolutely no clue how it works and to give another example that i'll finish it off with if me and frankie played in a best ball event let's say we're playing with no strokes. Frankie and me are both about five handicaps or around that number. If we played a
Starting point is 00:05:56 best ball match or a best ball round of golf, me and Frankie, we would most likely shoot around even par. We'd probably make a handful of bogeys. We'd probably make a handful of birdies, maybe make two or three bogeys. But we would, if we just played best ball, we'd go through a lot of videos, we'd probably post the score around even par. So now if you took our course handicaps where we would be probably a six or so at Mesa, we'd instantly be four or five, six shots better than that. So now we're automatically four or five, six hundred. And we just played okay. We just posted a round of gross best ball, even par, because the strokes now are five.
Starting point is 00:06:33 You take 50% of that. Now we're around three or four under and we played okay. Now you add the fucking five or six shots that we get from Max Homa. Now me and Frankie, again, without playing particularly great, are already eight or nine under par. And then out of 54 teams, guess what? if you win an event out of 54 teams, you have to play really fucking well. So when people go like, I can't believe it. I'm looking at this.
Starting point is 00:06:57 These guys, there's no way this handicap posted that score. Guess what? They played really fucking well when you win a golf tournament out of 108 golfers to beat 106 players. You got to play unbelievably fucking well. That's how it works. And so then if you take this example of me and Frankie, and here we are, we had a very mediocre round because of the stroke situation.
Starting point is 00:07:17 We're already at, let's call it, between five and eight under par. Now of me and Frankie play incredibly well. We hold out a couple times. We make it eagle when we don't usually. Now we're at 11 or so under and we qualify for the fucking championship. That's just how it fucking works. So anybody that calls us, it's only a sandbagger central.
Starting point is 00:07:36 We had one team, one year out of four so far that had handicaps above a one that won the event. And that was COVID year when John Kachka and John Bray, both of them, went from having to work nine to five all day every day too because everybody's working from home they got to play a bunch of golf played more golf than they ever had we looked at their handicapped history throughout the whole year they went from at the beginning of the year higher and as the year went on they got lower lower lower lower handicaps played incredibly well one in the gross format of the playoff on the cradle and won the whole thing but three out of our four teams that have ever won it are one handicaps or lower so yes
Starting point is 00:08:11 having a higher handicap you might have a chance in this you might have a if you play incredibly well you're going to get some strokes. But at the end of the day, the best teams fucking win our event. They always have. They always will. And anyone that fucking tries to call it like a sandbagger central or that we don't care, it infuriates me because the amount of text and emails that we go back and forth with our team,
Starting point is 00:08:34 Mancini, Lisa, the whole crew that just grinds over handicaps, thousands of handicaps a year to make sure that we do everything we can and not let people like cheat their way to winning the tournament. That's a disservice to them when people. People just bitch and lobby fucking assaults this, that all over the place.
Starting point is 00:08:50 The right teams that play the best fucking win. They always have an hour event and they always will. And the only people that bitch about it just have no idea how we do the handicap system. And that drives me fucking nuts. So that's my rant. In your face, Twitter guys. You know we've been a part of the Chevy EV family. We've got big news.
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Starting point is 00:11:46 going over to Chevy.com. Check out their website to learn more about the EV game. I've got something to say. Okay. Let's fucking go Islanders. We fucking came back. We had a backs against the wall hockey game. We're at Porelli's Laredo.
Starting point is 00:12:06 Doesn't even know what the fuck's going on. And we won that game in Carolina. We're bringing it home to UBS Arena for a chance to push to game seven. Why would it be anything else in that, boys? Why would it be easy for the new? York never say dylaners they were never going to roll over and die they should have won game two they blew a lead with seven minutes left the puck's went off fucking saroquins head brock nelson should have the game winner that night they should be up three two in this series so everyone that's saying that they shouldn't even be in the series can suck my fucking peepee and at the end of the day we're gonna fucking push this thing to seven and whatever happens in game seven happens and i'm sorry that you have to deal with the handicapped police because they're the worst creatures on the internet they don't understand they don't get it they are they don't understand you do understand you know what else i understand that the people that bought the PGA championship merchandise, I fucking love you.
Starting point is 00:12:52 We hate the handicapped police, but we love everybody that supports the brand. We've sold out, I mean, this video is coming on Thursday. We've sold out of like half, more than half the shit for the PJ championship. And when the fuck is the PGA championship?
Starting point is 00:13:05 Is it next month? When is the PGA championship? It's a good. It's a month. It's a good. It's in four weeks. It's in four weeks and we've already sold out of hats, hoodies,
Starting point is 00:13:13 t-shirts. This was day one that we're talking about this right now. This things that. It's not even shipping for another two weeks this merchandise. I think we're crazy. 22 days away from balls in the air. 22 days away before a ball goes in the air. We've already sold out.
Starting point is 00:13:26 This is insane. So if you're listening to this, go to the website. If there's anything left, you have to grab it. It's a once in a lifetime, one of one collaboration. The PJ Championship with Oak Hill,
Starting point is 00:13:37 the logoing is unbelievable. The material is great. They do such a good job with the logo. The Beth Page 1 was amazing. That was like the first major. We really went all in. That was when Frankie was hitting shots and he's disappeared from this. I'm sure he'll rejoin.
Starting point is 00:13:52 That was when Frankie was hitting shots with Bryson DeShambeau. And they had the Bethpage logo, the little like caddy boy that they have there. And then the Southern Hills won last year with the lighthouse or the tower. I guess it's not a lighthouse. Is it a windmill? I don't know what it is. But they had that. And then you get the Oak Hill one this year with the Acorn.
Starting point is 00:14:12 They just do a phenomenal job with the PGA championship logo. So putting that with our stuff. this is this might be the coolest stuff we've ever done from a merchandise state yeah it's very clean um yeah it's it's just it's one of those we keep doing these things video game merch at pj tour events pj championship who knows where we're going next where you run out of adjectives to describe like a way like what's going on and people sometimes are like you guys say like this is crazy every time and that's because that it is like i want to be clear about that part of it where we have now co-branded merch with the major championship
Starting point is 00:14:46 that was just never when we started this thing it was never an idea we just wanted to survive and like make golf content and then you know we've we've hit these different points where it's just getting crazier and crazier so it's it's i'll never lose that part of it where when we do something that's legitimately cool and this is legitimately cool this is a major championship that we have co-branded merch with i'm just very very excited i'm very excited that so many people bought it and how many people bought it so fast. Yeah, the whole thing is just very cool, man. Store.com. It's the only place to get it.
Starting point is 00:15:20 So I know there have been a lot of questions. It's event to event. It's different working with a PGA tour versus the PGA of America versus, you know, when we partner with Piedemoir, or Unreal or whomever, it's always a little bit different. This situation is exclusively online on our website. So you've got to go to store. Dot, barshalts,sports.com.
Starting point is 00:15:38 No, this will not be available in the tent at the PGA Championship. but if you order by May 4th, I believe I was told, we are guaranteeing delivery by May 12th, and the event starts on the 18th is the first tournament round, May 18th, so I guess that would mean May 15th is the first practice round. So if you want to go to the event, you're all excited, maybe you're packing you for your trip. Order by May 4th, you're guaranteed, apparently.
Starting point is 00:16:02 I'm not going to put a rigs guarantee on it, but I'm going to tell you our merchandise team is putting a guarantee that you will have it by May 12, 2020. So order it, store-dop, Arsul's. Sports.com. We got hoodies. We got QZips, polos, hats, t-shirts, amazing stuff in there. And shout out to Quinn, Alex, Allison, Pilar, our merchandise team just didn't. I don't know. Unbelievable. We tried to ban that word. This is the best case to use it. Unbelievable job. Whipping this stuff up, partnering with the PGA, and you can go get it online. You can order it right to your fucking place of residence. It's great.
Starting point is 00:16:38 That's our wheelhouse. Up until this point, we've done a lot of of with PJ tour events we've done in the tent where people can go to the event and buy stuff. If you want to sell merch online, we are the guys to do it. We know how to sell merch online. It's great when it's in the tent. I love seeing it sort of get picked down and picked down and pick down. I watched it happen to the Zurich this last weekend. But boy, if you want to talk about putting a lighter into a gallon of gasoline to sell products, that's us.
Starting point is 00:17:07 Like we know it's consumer. It's right there. And we are seeing it bear out with this PJ champion. shift up because it is fly i think we're 100% at this point of selling out even at the ziric you're not in your mic it's tough on your mic it's almost like it's yeah it's like we're in another room listening to you try it again hold on nope this is a guy who's got a game six coming up he's just and now he's disappeared um but yeah it's cool man again shout out to the team oh he's gone again he's always grinding with the you know is there well this is the thing that people don't know
Starting point is 00:17:38 he's he's doing these streams at birelli's and then he takes that a quick that he's using right now in his beautiful studio room, he takes that to Borrelli's. So then when Borreleys is done, he brings it all the way back to his home and he's got to hook it all up again and it doesn't always work. Can you hear me? Yep.
Starting point is 00:17:54 Yeah, perfect. There it is. It's a fucking joke. Like, I have everything perfectly set up. And then when you unplug it all, it's crazy what happens to this. It's like it's a person. It's like it's tired or something. It should always just work the same way,
Starting point is 00:18:06 no matter how many times you unplug it and plug it back in. I was going to say we're basically 100% for this when it comes to selling out at these events. This is our trial run this year. It's like PGA tour and now the majors being like, will it work? Does your fan base? Want to buy this stuff?
Starting point is 00:18:22 And then we went there. We went to the waste management. We went to the Players Championship. We went to the Zurich Classic. We sold out of everything everywhere. I think there's only a couple hoodies left somewhere in New Orleans because it's 120 degrees in New Orleans. They said that they were just going to throw them away or just give them to people that
Starting point is 00:18:38 were working in the tent. But they basically sold out of everything at the Zurich. now we've got the PJ Championship. I just got an update. We've sold that of three things already. We've only been live for four hours. That's insane. And now we're going,
Starting point is 00:18:50 we have a lot more things ahead. I mean, I know that there's a PJ Tour Championship, right? The PGA Tour, we're going to be doing maybe the Tour Championship, maybe the FedEx. It took you a while to get to Tour Championship.
Starting point is 00:18:59 Yeah. Yeah, well, the PGA championship and now the PGA Tour championship. You've got a game six to worry about, all right? There's a lot going on. I'm looking at all of our hats. It just says PGA on it. So it was throwing me off.
Starting point is 00:19:09 We're doing a lot of stuff with the PGA. I think we've made our alliance at this point. So, yeah. I would argue that an alliance with the PJ Championship is like counterintuitive to that. Everyone says that part of it where it's like, oh, you're teaming up here and there. And like, that's why PJ Championship majors are above all, all. And everyone has made that clear. So now we're just a BJ Championship guys too.
Starting point is 00:19:29 Yeah, we are. We love PJ of America. We like Seth Waugh. That, what do you call him a beautiful burnt cookie, golden brown cookie he's got with that look that he had during the COVID interview that we did. So yeah, I mean, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, page page black will probably forever be known as as, as one of our great launching pads where we just took our whole operation. We marked it up on Long Island. Marker gate. We went. We had Marker Gate. Oh, we had, Bryson video. We had a video which we never, which we never really
Starting point is 00:20:03 did again where I don't know if they would even let us, if any governing body would let us, where we stood by the entrance where the players parked their cars and, we had, we never, we never, roasted people as they walked it's where the mattie fits frankie thing happened right uh-huh yes is that also where you were patrick reeds personal uh interviewer for like a couple days that was at the u s open at wingfoot that was u.s open at wing foot that was the same state same state we became yeah patrick reed's personal PR channel was a basically dude when we at that at beth page that's when we watched justin justine i'm sorry justine read walked directly across the putting green while everyone was putting like she didn't even she paid them no mind because it was a to b it was the fastest way to get there she was dressed in all gold like surcey lannister it was it was an amazing scene that was right after tiger won so buzzing and it was just a it was just a magical time totally it was great it was so great so anyways we have a great history of the pgia championship so for this to be the first major championship we've ever had our logo our brand goodbye with theirs it's insanely cool insanely cool how can i forget about st louis 2018 two
Starting point is 00:21:09 the fans when tiger walked across that bridge afterward remember that and then brooks was like kind of coming up and he ended up stealing the show but we love the pj it's been a great relationship they obviously have rider cup as well and we like the rider cup so all kinds of good shit happening um i can't believe frankie i cannot believe that the hurricanes did not score in that last two and a half minutes last night it was or yesterday after it was i couldn't i had no skin in the game we had been classic all day so i hadn't gotten any wagers into the barstful sports but which I like to do. I just flipped that puppy on with about five minutes left. And I was nervous beyond belief. I don't know how you survived. I don't know how your heart didn't burst out of your sternum out of your chest, out of your rip cake, whatever is. That was crazy.
Starting point is 00:21:58 I was just screaming survive. That's all they had to do was survive. They couldn't get the puck out. It's very frustrating. Obviously these guys, they have their legs are in quick sand essentially. They've been out there for two to three minutes. minutes. The defense is trying to hold the puck against the boards as a viewer and as a fan as a non-hockey player, as a non-athlete, as a NPC, a non-playable character. I am like screaming saying like, just get it out. And you're just like, you're looking at the guy have full control of the buck and you're like, just, just flutter that thing out of there. And you can't because he's got guys rushing towards them. If he does that, it bounces off them, goes right in front of the net. And it's a scoring chance. You got to just minimize scoring chances. But they're just out.
Starting point is 00:22:39 out of breath and you're like, you know, disasters coming. You could feel it. You can sense it. Somehow, some way, they blocked enough shots. They grinded it out. Man, it's hard hat lunch bail hockey on the island. And that's just always what it's going to be. It's never going to be flashy.
Starting point is 00:22:54 If they can push this thing in the game seven, I'm going to be, I'm going to be fucking crazy. I mean, they can beat this team, man. They can beat the hurricanes. They can beat the Carolina.
Starting point is 00:23:04 I have a question about the hockey. So there was a little, they stopped to play to see if there was going to be a penalty. and with like 50 seconds to go. So you're not allowed to purposely flick it above the boards. In the defensive zone. If they had called out a penalty, could they have kept the goalie out and had a two-man advantage?
Starting point is 00:23:20 Or geez, your goalie have to, you can do that. Wow, yes, that would have been real trouble. I have a hockey question as well if we're doing a hockey Q&A. Sure. So early on in the game, the cane scored their first goal and it got taken back because they were off sides. Do they review off sides on every single goal? No.
Starting point is 00:23:38 No. You have to, if you're a coach's challenge. Oh, that's cool. Because in soccer, they do it for every goal and it's every single goal. There's like a two minutes delay and it's terrible. It's a relatively new rule too. Yeah, Toronto, like that's where like the base, they always say the shooting into Toronto, they'll actually call down for some sort of goals, whether it's like if it crossed over the line,
Starting point is 00:23:58 they think that there was maybe goally interference. You'll see the rest go over and check to make sure it's a goal without the refs having to do a challenge. But offside is a challenge. and if you're incorrect, it's a goal and a penalty. Oh, wow. So the team then, so the team then who scored, because I, if you watch me, if you were watching on the stream, I looked at my dad and I go, it's on side and we're about to give up the lead.
Starting point is 00:24:22 You know what I mean? Like, not only is it tie, but they're about, what a genius rule. That's so smart. Yeah. There's guys in the locker room, there's video coaches that that's their full, right. Obviously post game, they have full time jobs of like producing all the video for all the players, but they're actually sitting there every single zone entry. And they are marking times of when the puck went into the zone.
Starting point is 00:24:44 And if the goal happens, they go right back to it and they check the entry within seconds. And then they're calling to the goal. You can see the coaches with their earpieces in and they go challenge it. And it's all on him to be like, is that it? Are you sure? And they say yes. And when it happens, I can't imagine the jubilation in that locker room amongst like the behind the scenes guys. Yeah, he's like, we fucking did it now.
Starting point is 00:25:06 Now, I would love to talk to that guy because when I watch hockey, I think onside, offside, 50-50. I think 50% of the time, even when they say that's on side, it feels like if you went back and really broke it down, which would take forever, I feel like there's a lot of off-sides going on that gets past as on-side. Well, in soccer, the rule is different, right? In hockey, the rule is the line. And the line, you can't be inside the zone before the puck is. But then after that, everybody's good. It doesn't matter where the other players on the other team are. Right.
Starting point is 00:25:41 Socker, the line is determined by the last guy on the, obviously on the chair and second. And so it's different. And so the argument against the new off sides rule, which the new off sides rule allows you to review off sides all the way back to whenever the puck entered the zone, which it didn't used to be. It used to be the off sides was either called pretty instantly or if it wasn't,
Starting point is 00:26:03 then it's just over. And like you can't really review it. and like the play just goes on. If they don't call it right then and there within a second, it's over. Now you might enter the zone in a controversially offside stay. You might stay in the zone for a minute and a half and then score. And they'll go back and review whenever you entered, which changes that because people forget about that.
Starting point is 00:26:23 They're like, that was a fucking minute and a half ago. That's crazy. And it's infuriating when it occurs because it at that point doesn't really have anything to do with the current goal. Now, you could argue that, you know, butterfly effect they wouldn't have been in the zone and and the counter side which i'm on a lot is is that the off sides is more about like the general like spirit of the play right so it's like if it's 50 50 then let it go if they that's what soccer yeah it doesn't really affect like the play if it was so close to the naked eye that it's 50 50 then who cares if it was a if it was a
Starting point is 00:26:58 centimeter off or not that that doesn't actually affect the outcome it's it's more just to make sure people don't cherry pick. And so that's kind of a lot. And I'm probably wrong about this. But when I watch soccer, feels like the out of bounds is like spirit of the game. Like guys can obviously step out. The ball can't really go out.
Starting point is 00:27:15 But they're just, they're really playing around that line a lot, it feels like. Yeah. Soccer goes the other side and they, and they have the VAR where like, if you didn't cut your toenail, then this morning before you're off.
Starting point is 00:27:24 It's horrendous. They'll put like a guy's like literal, uh, hand off sides. So then they try to change it. So now it's like only the chest counts. So if the chest and someone's leg is stuck out, it's a complete.
Starting point is 00:27:34 complete mess and it's not a challenge. So they review every single goal. It's almost like the one thing that's actually kind of decent about it is you almost sell the fans almost celebrate the goal twice because it's like when the goal goes in and then when the review accepts it. I guess the best example would be like a strike zone where it's the spirit of it. It's it's, you know, every arm's kind of different. And then, you know, if a guy strikes out, he's not going to challenge it and be like, but
Starting point is 00:27:58 that first strike, I'm pretty sure wasn't a strike. And they don't do that. Which is why I find the new offside. thing like generally infuriating because of that rule where it's like up to the interpretation as long as the play wasn't dramatically affected if it's slightly off sides it doesn't really matter and then you get into now with the with the reviews of if uh if the skate is in the air or not because it you're not really if you're like in the air but you're not on the ice or if it's one leg you can like drag a leg so it's sort of your back leg can still not be in before.
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Starting point is 00:31:25 Gambling problem. Call 1-800 gambler. Has a hockey team ever done the arena football thing? I don't know if you guys ever seen arena football, but in arena football, a receiver can kind of play in the background. I used to be a ball boy for the New York Dragons. And what they would do is the receiver takes off and they time it up with the snap. So as soon as he snaps the ball, he's at full speed going across the line.
Starting point is 00:31:53 Could you do, do people do that in hockey where you have a guy ripping around and everybody times it correctly? And then everyone else on defense is kind of caught flat footed. And there's a guy going full speed, feed him the puck, boom, goal. They kind of do it to a degree now with, they kind of do it to a degree. green out in like pablo dotsuk and the detroit redwings invented this like 15 years ago where nobody used to do it this way but if you notice on power plays especially now where one guy skates up the middle of the ice with the puck at like a decent speed and then the best player like the oilers do this with Connor mac david will circle behind the net behind that guy and come flying up the middle of the
Starting point is 00:32:31 ice and they just drop the puck to him and then he is going faster and it makes it incredibly difficult for the defense because you want to try to clog things up at the blue line so the people get all fucking fucked up at the blue line and become off sides and stuff. But gap control is one of the like the most tap like the of a defenseman that's probably the most important skill that they can have is gap control. And that whole point is that if you leave too much room between you and the forward, you're skating backwards. They're skating forward. They're just going to go around you or they're going to figure out where there's space to defeat you. So you try to stay as tight as you can. do a guy without letting him go around you.
Starting point is 00:33:08 And that's why those guys, those defensemen are so valuable. We talk a lot about people are just like, if they have Connor McDavid and you guys talking to us or like, and he's so fucking good, why don't they just win every game? It's because like a really good defenseman like that is so insanely valuable in hockey and more so in the playoffs when goals aren't scored as much. But they kind of, that's like a relative we knew in the last 10 or 15 years move where guys do circle behind more often than they ever used to. and like the Russians used to do it a little bit like Soviet USSR teams and shit.
Starting point is 00:33:38 But now the NHL it's much more prevalent with the best players where you'll see they come rip it up the ice like behind the other guys and they kind of just drop it to them. And it's it's really fucking hard to defend it. I think they go full arena football where don't even drop it to him. Just let the guy get into the zone and then flick it to him and he's already on a warpath. I do that in soccer a lot. It's like an overlapping run where the outside back will run around and they try to time it. You're just trying to isolate the defenders to them.
Starting point is 00:34:03 Right. It's great. It's not enough room. I see what you're saying, Trent. Your question, I don't think it. You can't do it. There's enough room. There's enough room.
Starting point is 00:34:09 Yeah. Because like if you shoot it in. Wide or long. Yeah. Yeah. Wide or long. There's not a room. I'm saying like, like, where would he like what?
Starting point is 00:34:19 So like in your, in your vision of this play, what do you think would happen? Which is going to revolutionize hockey. I'm pretty sure. So all right. So the offensive team has like a face off in the defensive zone, right? Yep. And you're saying that the offensive team wins the faceoff. off and you want a guy to just dead sprint towards the goal in the offensive zone.
Starting point is 00:34:39 I just don't think like he's not going to get behind the defenseman. It's like it's not like football. It's not about getting behind him even. It's about catching them at a speed where they can't handle it. So you win the face off and you, you got to be on opposite sides of the guy with the puck coming up the left side at a slowish pace. While this is happening.
Starting point is 00:34:56 Overlapping run. He's talking about overlapping run. While you have this going on another, the other guy is just getting a head full of steam on the right side of the ring. Yeah. And as soon, you got to time it up and that's why you got to practice this. As soon as the guy with the puck is sort of going a little. He's not going that fast.
Starting point is 00:35:12 But as soon as he crosses the blue line, that guy, the head full steam has got to cross at the exact same time. And then the defensemen are like, whoa, whoa, what's going on? Feed that guy. Goal. Okay. All right. I'm having such a hard time visualizing it. I really am.
Starting point is 00:35:31 But I love. Okay. I think it could work. Trent, you're essentially saying enter the zone at a normal speed, but have one guy entering the zone at lightning speed. Yeah. And you practice it. You have to practice so hard that you time those two things up so that the defensemen
Starting point is 00:35:48 are really playing for the normal speed people. But once you cross the line, the lightning speed guy comes in and blows away. But my counter to that is isn't the guy that's bringing it in at normal speed, allowing the defense to just get all five guys into their defensive zone? and then when this guy comes in like a wrecking ball, he's not going to have any, like, where, what are you doing with the puck?
Starting point is 00:36:06 Because the guy who carried the phone. He's scored it. How are you getting it to him? You know what I mean? It's not like in, he's putting the puck into the next. It's like, we've actually,
Starting point is 00:36:18 Frankie, you and I recently have been talking a lot about semi-pro. You know when they create the alley-up in semi-pro? And people are like, foul. Fowl, two fouls. People don't know what's going on. It's similar to that.
Starting point is 00:36:27 Now, it might not. Can't feel my arms. Defenses are. eventually going to adjust they're like oh shit they're running the trend a i need you to i need i need some of the listeners so like draw this out like i want someone to respond to like don't make this a clip because it's going to make people want to fucking jump off a building but i think people need to draw this out i think they need to draw like but the x's and oh is i want to see it i want the coaches shout up bernie cassel he's the islander skills coach they used to come to borelli's and
Starting point is 00:36:53 tage thompson brent thompson's dad brent thomasen bridge uh bridge port islanders coach they used to come to berrelli's and sit in the bar and this is when i was a freak i mean i'm still a freak but i would sit there and listen to them break down the games and talk about they were the islanders assisting coaches like that behind the bench it was amazing and they would sit there on fucking napkins and draw out all the plays that they thought would work and wouldn't work and i'd keep the napkins i have the napkins at my parents house they're insane like x's and o's and lines and and crossouts and question marks so i need someone to do that for trent's new play and we'll call it like the, I don't know, the Iowa special.
Starting point is 00:37:30 Yeah, I do, I think it has the chance to change hockey. Yeah, the Trent NFL play. Do you guys know what I'm talking about when I talk about a real football in that play? Yeah, they're allowed to have motion this way. Right. So when, yeah, the receiver, literally, if they're on the 50, he's running from the goal line of the on the other side. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:37:45 And just sprinting. And then, and they practice it. So that when the, they definitely practice it. Right. When the quarterback hikes it, he's working with the receiver. And the defender's like, oh, fuck. Something to think about something for all NHL teams to think about. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:37:58 Okay. All right. Let's let's get into golf a little bit. You know, I got a question for Dan Rappaport. What's the, what's going on with this live in Australia situation last week? Was this like a big success? Because I'm seeing, you know, am I being fed? Am I being fed?
Starting point is 00:38:17 Not misinformation. Not the proper way. Are they funneling to me into the internet, like a propaganda style version of live? because from the things that I saw, it appeared like this live event in Adelaide. Is that where it was? Adelaide, Australia, was a massive success in that the local Aussies and everybody,
Starting point is 00:38:39 the fans were crazy, that there was a lot of energy, that it seemed like a home run. Yeah, from that perspective, it was. I wrote about this on my blog on parcel sports.com. I think it was more about Australian golf than live golf. Australia is a country with an incredible golf culture, as you guys know, you guys had an unreal trip there, where there just haven't really been big golf events in the last couple of years.
Starting point is 00:39:02 And they've been clamoring for that ever since the, they had the President's Cup in 2019. And remember, that was an electric event also. Australians love golf. It's a big golf country. For the PJ tour to continuously not go there is like, it's almost malpractice at this point. So Australia is starving for a golf tournament. They get one. And there is a big Australian connection with Liv.
Starting point is 00:39:21 Greg Norman is Australian. there's an Australian team. Cameron Smith, probably their marquee signing, is Australian. So if you were going to have a golf event in Australia with a bunch of good players, especially Australian players, people were going to come. And it looked like a lot of fun. It was a party. It was definitely a party. But here's the thing.
Starting point is 00:39:36 Having a party does not mean that you're a successful sports league. If you have money to spend, you go to somewhere that hasn't had a party for a while and you throw a really good party, people are going to come. Does that make them any closer to overtaking the PGA tour? No. And the other thing is there, I don't think there are a lot of markets like Australia that are that are so starved for golf that will show up like this week they're in Singapore and no one's there. devil's advocate a little bit. I mean, I think it's a little bit, it's a little like demeaning to live's efforts to be like, no, this wasn't necessarily a live success. This is just if anybody went to Australia, they'd have a great event. It takes vision, effort, hard work, all kinds of stuff to get to the point where you're putting on an event that. is that has all kinds of energy right like our are one of our biggest uh negatives that we've
Starting point is 00:40:27 dwelled on is that it seems to be kind of a joke at live there don't really seem to be that many uh fans there's not history there's not prestige around it it's they're just playing for the money and now yeah they're still playing for a lot of money there they brought their whole operation down to australia which is this golf star golf crazy place and they got phenomenal fan interaction, engagement, showing that merchandise tent had people all around the line. Like, to me, that's, you could, you could, you could argue that, oh, yeah, but like, they're doing it. It doesn't matter necessarily that, like, if the tour's not going there, that's like, well,
Starting point is 00:41:05 guess what? The tour also didn't offer like a great alternative golf media option. So that's why Foreplay's fucking huge. That's not. But we also worked hard towards it. I think we have talent and skill. And we, you know, we were creative. And that allowed it.
Starting point is 00:41:16 And I think that you have to, you know, you have to get, live a pretty good amount a credit for how successful that event looked. Big, big, the event was a big success for sure. All I'm saying is if they had all the events in Australia, it would, the tour, a lot, it would probably look like that often. You know what I mean? Like, it's just that's not, now they're going to Singapore and I think it will go back to what it was before.
Starting point is 00:41:35 But absolutely, the Australian event, if they did a tour in Australia, it would be a big success. That's just not going to make them enough money to offset. But again, if that's not the goal and if they don't need to make a profit, they can definitely continue to have these events because, you know, if people, rich people throw good parties you know like and they're going to go so they haven't they haven't they've publicly and we might argue about this but they have never publicly been like we're trying to replace and be a better version of the pGA tour right they've they've been arguing since day one we're trying to be
Starting point is 00:42:02 a supplemental existence to the pj tour the pro golf landscape we're all about we're much more about the international uh presence and going to australia and going to these different countries around the world and so this would appear to me to be like a massive success in line with what they've kind of insane. I totally, I completely agree. This is by far their best event yet. It is by far their best sort of demo of what their model can be. And it is something different for sure. It's a different vibe out there. They're chugging beers out of shoes. You know, it kind of look like 16 at waste management. Maybe there is space in the golf for that. I'm not saying that there isn't. I'm just saying from business perspective, I don't know that that's enough, but maybe I'm wrong.
Starting point is 00:42:43 But no, if you don't think that that event was a success, then you're just lying to yourself. Of course, it was successful. You got a ton of attention in Australia. I'm just, you know, they're still having, I think, eight of their 14 events are in the United States. If you're going to attract more high-profile golfers to join the league, you have to be the pinnacle. They're not going to do it if they don't feel like they're playing against the best players.
Starting point is 00:43:05 So can it exist as this sort of like, I don't want to say exhibition, but looser vibe? Yeah, it's possible. I just don't know that that's going to bring over great players and bring all the fan interest to offset the money. But then, yeah, they don't need to make money. It's fine. But within the last couple of weeks, three of the top six finishers and the masters were live golfers.
Starting point is 00:43:21 So it's like, so for me at this point, it's like, okay, if I'm judging it at just on, do they have not the best players, but close to the best players? And do they have a phenomenal event that feels like a big professional golf tournament? It's like if they've got three of the top six that finished in the only major of the year so far and they've got a pretty electric atmosphere down in a country where people love golf, like that's pretty. God damn successful, I feel like. For sure, this event was a big success. I'm just trying to look at it, contextualize it in the bigger picture, but you're right. But this event was a smashing success. I would say that the tell is going to be if it translates stateside.
Starting point is 00:44:00 Like say if you were like with the Barstow Classic, say if we did this way where you run one event and it goes off like crazy like that Australia event did, then you would think that, all right, this is now we can go bigger and we can blow this thing out and we can go to more locations. If we go to those new locations, is it going to be the same thing? I think that would, I don't think it's going to translate. That would be my guess. And then you start to look at what are the reasons why it exploded. And I think the reasons are for what Dan said where Australian golf, they don't get to see these big golfers all the time. So they're going to show out for when big golfers show up.
Starting point is 00:44:31 So if it translates to statesides, say next year in Chicago or Boston or whatever, they have the same atmosphere that they had in Australia. Then you say, oh, they got something. This is, this is, you can take this wherever and it's going to explode and people are going to show up and they're going to love it. If it doesn't. If it doesn't end up being that way, I think you start looking at the reasons why, and it's because professional golf rarely goes to Australia.
Starting point is 00:44:54 Yeah, I definitely agree that's a huge part of it. But what's to say that if they don't, you know, if they do half their events in the future, they do three-fourths of them there, you know, then they've got a pretty damn good looking professional league. And I would say, too, it's like, we've been to some PGA tour events where there's a very scarce or scarce amount of fans out there, right? So we've been to plenty of state side PGA tour events that's like not particularly electric at all. So I think, you know, I.
Starting point is 00:45:23 So, so yeah. I just, I was impressed. There's certainly an opportunity for Live to become huge internationally. Like that I think even the PJ tour would admit that they've dropped the ball on all of that. They can see they're in a tough spot because all their sponsors are like, want their events in America and they're who pay for it. They don't,
Starting point is 00:45:39 they don't have a Saudi people who say, you know, take this where you need to take it. Right. How home sick is Thomas Peters? right now being in Australia all week he's got to go to Singapore. Who's he getting dinner with? Should we text? I'm just saying range goats almost one. The range goats almost one dude. I mean I didn't make a joke about
Starting point is 00:45:55 but the guy was like I hated the PJ tour because I had to like sit in Orlando all the time it's like All right friends on the live tour Yeah yeah maybe. Maybe just made me laugh where I'm looking at their circuit and they're just flying all around the globe now. Holy shit. They're in Singapore right now. Look at that. So is golf huge in Singapore too?
Starting point is 00:46:13 day like not on australia levels you know there was a pjsort event that no one really went to when it was there i guess what i'm trying to get to is where else could they do this like japan we heard when hadaki won the masters right it was all we heard about was how big this is golfs a mass crazy when tiger was there yep yeah that's a good one i'm looking at their sketch i don't see japan they got south africa get let's get greg norman bush can you get greg norman uh i want to ask him why they're not going to Japan. I feel like if they went to Tokyo. Yeah, I got you one side.
Starting point is 00:46:44 We could get great Norman for sure. Singapore has that sick fucking hotel that, um, was in crazy rotations, right? Amazing. Yep. Yep. Singapore is an electric electric place. No, they, yeah, they should just any place where golf fans around the world feel like the PJ tour is not, they're just not paying them any mind or paying them any attention.
Starting point is 00:47:07 That is 100% where live should go every time. Is there anything stopping them, Dan, from because. coming like 50 or 75% Australian tour? I mean, it's not like there aren't, right? Like there are, you know, baseball players who are from different countries who live in the United States all season and play in the United States because that's for them like the best place to play. They could.
Starting point is 00:47:27 So I know the biggest argument would be like, how are you going to get fucking Dustin Johnson and Brooks Kept? Well, you signed into a contract. You paid him $200 million. You're like, guess what? For six straight weeks or not, or eight straight weeks, like, we're in Australia. That's just where we're at. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:47:41 The contracts expire. So, you know, a lot of them after this year, some after next year. So it would have to be a new deal. There was already some pushback when they added four events because these guys signed contracts for 10 events. That was the contract. And now they're playing 14 events. And a lot of these guys, like you said, Riggs, these, you know, people complain. And if they complain in one place, they're going to complain another place.
Starting point is 00:48:00 I think if you had, you know, an eight week stretch in Australia, the Brooks Kepka is the Bryson D. They'd be like, whoa, this is not what I signed up for. And then you have problem attracting young American talent who maybe don't want spend all that time in Australia. So that would be, but if you did it like F1, where they go all around the world, that's what they should do.
Starting point is 00:48:18 There should be an event in Rome. There should be an event in Paris. There should be an event in Tokyo. There should be an event in Australia. Go to these iconic cities where maybe it's not a crazy golf culture, but there's so many people in Paris and so many people, people are going to show up and just go to these iconic cities where the PJ tour doesn't go.
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Starting point is 00:50:22 gonna do that, right? I mean, you know, some of the bigger ones, like for the captains and stuff are like, you know, up to five years because they also have ownership stake in the, in the teams themselves.
Starting point is 00:50:31 So they're kind of like more bought in. But yeah, no, you know, there's going to be, the contracts definitely end after this year, 100%. That's very interesting to me
Starting point is 00:50:38 because, you know, from what I'm seeing, thus far, it doesn't sound like Mr. Monaghan and Mr. McRoy and Mr. Woods are going to be particularly eager to allow these folks back.
Starting point is 00:50:47 And so, Eliv is going to kind of have them by the ball. right? Be like, well, I mean, we're going to resign you, but if you don't want to resign, what do you mean, is it going to be like when you transfer and you have to take a year off for professional guy? What are people going to do? They're going to need to have a policy, which they don't have because it's inevitable. Someone is going to want to come back. And, you know, we had fits on our show saying, I'm not going to want them back. And they're definitely PJ Tour pros who will be very, very bitter that these guys.
Starting point is 00:51:14 Tor will have to have a policy, though. Tour's not forced it to have a policy. Their policy is current, right? It's like, yeah, you're just not allowed. that? Isn't that their policy? Yeah, as I'm saying, what happens to these guys' cards? Like, what, you know, a guy like Brooks Kepka, who's not a lifetime member, but is one of these tournaments and was, you know, does he, does he have to like go back to Q school? Does he get his status back? Like, what, how are, I mean, a guy like DJ's a little different because he's a same as, same as Phil Mickelson, but someone like, but aren't they currently listed as band? Aren't they just banned? Yeah, but there's a, it's for one year, really. It's like,
Starting point is 00:51:48 as of right now, it's like, maybe, maybe, maybe that's for not. that there is a policy on the books. I think it's for non-members, but it might be for members too that year. As of right now, it's like you're suspended for one year after your last event, after your last start in a non-sponsored event. I think that might be for non-members.
Starting point is 00:52:03 They need a policy that's like, there has to be some way back, right? Do we all agree? Like, there's no way that they can just ban these guys for life. You think, yeah. Well, how do you deter people from going there if you're going to allow them back? That is the whole point. That is, the tax is not a bad thing.
Starting point is 00:52:19 Legit. I could just say. But if you're going to be able to tell people like, okay, you went, you got your $200 million. You were gone for two years. And then now you're just back in the same place that Will's Alatoris and Roy McGroy are in. But those guys didn't get to get a $200 million payday. Like, how can you justify that? You can't.
Starting point is 00:52:36 And how can you stop people then if, you know, some of the guys, Cam Young who's been rumored or Patrick Cantlayers, Andrew Schauchefle, if they see this pathway now, well, fuck, I've been turning down $100 million. Now I'm going to take that $100 million. I'm going to go play for two years. I'm going to have to go to Australia, but whatever. I'll be right back. That's what I think was the calculus for a guy like Joaquin Neiman. I think a guy like him, and I don't know this for a fact, I think their agents are probably telling them there's no fucking chance.
Starting point is 00:53:02 They're going to ban you for life. That would never hold up in court. They're not going to do it. Let's try this. You're 23 years old, 24 years old. If it doesn't work in a couple years, we'll be back to the PJ tour. And I think that a lot of people, they wouldn't say it publicly, but I think a lot of people think that that is probably going to be an option.
Starting point is 00:53:19 this thing will fold or it won't and I'll have a chance to go back or I won't. Yeah, it becomes because like we spoke about, we used the Borrelli's restaurant example of somebody just builds a shop right next door and pays all your employees a million dollars a year. How could you then sustain your business? You pretty much couldn't. And the only way the tour could try to do it was to be like, we're going to ban you if you go there. And if that doesn't even hold up, then there's really no reason or no way to stop people from going there. Remember when we used that example and then Bryson the next week?
Starting point is 00:53:47 Wait, I was going to say, was that pre- your post price of pizza. Pre-Bricen's like, he definitely listened. He definitely listened. Where else you got that example from? That clip like went crazy. And then he was like, you know, if I opened up a pizzeria and the pizza was just better and it was like nicer, people would just go there.
Starting point is 00:54:04 I'm not going to apologize to having better pizza. At least turned into like a tire shop or something. He was taking shots at Pirelli's, it sounds like. Yeah, he was. Or he was just like, I'm going to parrot this because that seems like a decent argument. Yeah. I don't know what there. I thought I had heard or read the word indefinitely thrown around when they told these guys to go the other way.
Starting point is 00:54:25 So, but again, how does that hold up in court? I don't know how this. And that's the other thing is that Jay Monahan is just nowhere to be found throughout this whole thing. You know, it's like he just doesn't, he just doesn't talk. So no one really knows. I mean, the guy, he still hasn't told the play. I was talking to a couple of players this week. And he still hasn't told them what the deal is with Rory.
Starting point is 00:54:39 And a lot of them are like, what's the deal with Rory? Because they want to know if he's still going to get his money, maybe I don't want to play all the designated events. But he's just, he's just not telling anyone. And I think that's one of the issues. And I think Ricky Fowler was saying this to Sports Illustrated earlier is like, we need more transparency as to what's going on everywhere because there's a lot of changes and no one exactly knows what the rules are. I get into that mode sometimes too, though, when I don't want to talk to anybody.
Starting point is 00:55:02 It's big decision to be made and I just don't want to make them. I just don't know. I'm not the commissioner of the PJ tour. But, you know, I get what Jay's coming from on that one. Just like, I've got that with my lease coming up. I'm just not answering any of the emails. They're like, you got to bring that thing back in. You get a normal change recently.
Starting point is 00:55:16 They're like, we had that with. Jay, I didn't rule with the live guys. He's like, I didn't see the email. He needs to go on like, we need a, honestly, this situation has gotten so crazy that, I mean, yeah, he should come on four play. But like, the whole world knows, the whole sports world knows enough about this for it to be interesting enough for him to go on like 60 minutes and sit down and like do a legit like, like 8 p.m. Thursday night, sit down with Jay Monaghan about the future of golf in like the world. And I think that would be a fucking massive. massive moment for the sport and he won't do it. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:55:50 Instead, he just sits in the press conference with like bullet points in front of him in front of the golf media. I don't know that he has enough cards in his like in his, in his hands. He doesn't have answers. Who's the who's the guy, the actor that plays basically like Elon Musk and don't look up. You know that, you know, uh, oh yeah. I don't know who that actor's like white haired guy in that. Monta here reminds me of that guy who's like always just like robotic and like, well,
Starting point is 00:56:14 we're going to do it this way and this is going to be in there. There's no, when you grill him on like how, and then he just gets on a spaceship and leaves Earth and is like, yeah, it didn't work out. That's like, Vermont and reminds me of that guy. But yeah, you know, in the same vein that I said, and we talked a lot of them on the show about like these people that went to live, a lot of them are complainers and they always have an issue with that. It's you are who you are. You're always going to be who you are. What Larry Fitz said to Frankie when he beat him in pickleball. It's the same exact way with the PGA tour where it's like. We a year ago, we were pretty harsh on the PJ tour and the issues and it's not transparent and all that.
Starting point is 00:56:51 And those things are all coming back up to. It's like, oh, yeah, we're remembering that we don't love everything about the PGA tour. And we think a lot of what the PGA tour does and how they handle things is infuriating. And it doesn't make any sense. And this is exactly what they're doing right now. Like you just said, with the Rory stuff, with like not making great decision, not going to all the cities. Why are they allowing them to just go and dominate Australia? How was the tour not had on that?
Starting point is 00:57:12 Like all the different things that it's starting to be like, okay, It's not just Tor versus Live and like one side's good and one side's bad. It's starting to get a little muddier now. Totally. And it's like imagine another sport like imagine a basketball. If there was a huge ruling involving LeBron James and no one exactly knew what was going on. And I mean, Adam Silver would do a press conference and he would just explain to everybody what's happening. It's just there's so many question marks.
Starting point is 00:57:38 And then like when the PJ tour will come up with an announcement, you know, and then you'll ask for details and they're like, oh, we're still figuring it out. It's like, well, then why did you make the fucking announcement and the. first place. Yeah. They don't have any deal what the schedule is going to be like next year still. It's crazy. It's also, I mean,
Starting point is 00:57:52 it infuriates me. Like when we were, when we were going to the players championship, and I was like, oh yeah, we're going to, or for two different instances. One when we actually went to the players and one when we went down there to
Starting point is 00:58:02 film with Billy Horshaw. And I was like, oh, we'd love to just get the commissioner on the show while we're there. He lives there. He works there. Or just get him on the show. Like,
Starting point is 00:58:09 well, we're going to need more notice. I'm like, it's a week before. He has a week. And to me, that's like Dana White is literally doing fucking mom's basement. My mom's basement with Robbie Fox all the time.
Starting point is 00:58:21 And like he doesn't need weeks of notice. If he's like, yeah, yeah, I can, like, I'm confident in everything that we're doing. I can just speak with someone about whatever they want to know about the league. I'm the commissioner of it or I own it. I run it, whatever. And it's like, how can you not just sit down? And that's because I, you know, he's got to have the makeup on. He's got to have the hair gel in.
Starting point is 00:58:38 He's got to have the talking point. And that just, I think that turns people off, man. of like, it does. Can you just sit down and fucking talk about it? I did, I dealt with this in my old job and, you know, it's just like bloat. It's just like things just take way too long when there's, there's not like there's no one who's, there's no urgency. There's no like someone who's like, yeah, that's good idea. I'm just going to do it.
Starting point is 00:58:58 Everything needs to go through its channels and it's got to get approval from this person. And, you know, that's what I'm saying. But that's what companies work. You also got to think that when Jay Monaghan took this job and I'm not saying that this is the reason why he's not addressing the press was just like, I'm going to run the PJ tour. and this is going to be the easiest shit ever. Like, yeah, I don't have to. I'm good to go. Just kind of, you know, just kind of steer the ship and, you know, everything's great.
Starting point is 00:59:20 Put out little fires. And then this, you know, this Greg Norman Lee pops out of nowhere. And it's like, this is a tough job now. It's a really tough job now. Yeah. It's weird, man. It's not a great look. I agree with you.
Starting point is 00:59:32 It's just not a great look. And at the same time that you got, Liv has a little bit of momentum. It's funny, man. We talked to the beginning of the year. I remember we were all kind of like, we were coming off the feet and open. That was right off the Riviera and Riviera. Tiger was looking pretty good. Phoenix Open's great. And we all were just like, dude, Liv is dead. We haven't heard from them in six or eight months. That Liv thing, I can't believe. Are people still doing that? Are they even
Starting point is 00:59:56 going to be at majors? What's going on the world rankings? And then the tides kind of shift a little bit. The Masters, man. The Masters was so huge. Yeah, not saying the tours like bad or whatever, but it's like they've got a couple events going on that the fields are a little bit weak. You have live guys played well on the Masters. Then they went to Australia. and they look pretty goddamn successful down there. And it's just the pendulum kind of swings public opinion a little bit. It's interesting. We're like one step away.
Starting point is 01:00:22 I mean, I don't know how long lives going to be able to if they're going to want to keep paying for it. Because again, all this conversation about momentum is a different conversation than money. And they are still hemorrhaging money. But we're one step away from this. They're just being like two tours that do. And that step is the majors providing a pathway for live golfers.
Starting point is 01:00:40 That's not either they get world ranking points or they say, all, you know, the top 10 guys on Live get into the masters or get, yeah, it's into the majors, just like they do with the Tour Championship. If that happens, then it's just like, up, there's Live guys and there's PJ Tour guys. And we're going to have less conversations. Like, what does this mean? What does this mean? Because it's just going to be like, this is what it is.
Starting point is 01:00:56 This is what's happening. Yeah. Speaking of hemorrhaging money and not being able to sustain, just you guys see Bedbath and beyond gone. Yeah, what's going on with them? Wow. College is everywhere. Filed for bankruptcy, man.
Starting point is 01:01:06 They're just done. Damn. I don't know that they're, yeah, they tried to claim they're not going to be shutting all their stores, but they filed for bankruptcy. I saw another one in a different realm, BuzzFeed news gone. I saw, there's just quite a few, quite a few shakeups. You got to think we could be having one of these conversations about like, yeah, that's a good week.
Starting point is 01:01:26 And then the next week they live might be like, we're out of money. It's over. I got to tell you that, that's devastating news because for the Bed Bath and Beyond thing, because I would always buy last minute presents from Bed Bath and Beyond for like Christmas and stuff. They've got everything, right? That's the, they've just got a little bit of everything. And we would do these exchanges during Christmas time.
Starting point is 01:01:45 And I would just go there and walk around like on December 24th and buy a couple of candles and, you know, an air fryer and be like, I'm good. So that's, that's devastating for guys like me who do last minute shopping. I'm enjoying, you know, now that I'm a homeowner, I'm enjoying like a one of places like that. I never thought I would. You know, I go to like a home goods or fucking hobby lobby and that's the eye. Yeah, it's great. Exactly. Oh shit.
Starting point is 01:02:13 Yeah, it's perfect. He's Frank the tech too. Yeah. Yeah, no, that's, uh, that's exactly what I'm loving right now. What are you doing out here, Frank? Yeah. Everybody just keep our composure.
Starting point is 01:02:27 Oh, by the way, and I, I don't think we talk, you guys talk about it. I wasn't on the show last week because we were all in different places, but I called the Will Farrell live, PJs, T's a parody show. So I don't, I don't know. who needs to get in contact with me whose people need to talk to who but that was my idea and we have it and we have the clip and I have the tweets
Starting point is 01:02:48 that's my idea you said Will Ferrell would star in a in a movie about Live versus the PGA tour it's perfect the script's already been written and seven months later they announced that Will Farrell's going to be leading role I don't think it was seven months
Starting point is 01:03:04 I think it was like two months. He said that long ago it was I think I tweeted it in July or Yeah, July and I, I said it on the podcast in October, but it was definitely a while ago. And now he's going to do a series based off of the fucking Liv versus PGA tour scandal. That's unbelievable. And they said that it's going to be in the same tone as Talladega Nights. And I mean, it's perfectly perfect.
Starting point is 01:03:25 In my tweet, I said he needs to play a Ricky Bobby type character. He is. He's going to be Ricky Bobby meets Phil McIson. It's going to be fucking unbelievable. Will Ferrell read what you said. And he's like, this sounds a fucking good idea. Because it is. It's not only is a good idea.
Starting point is 01:03:39 It's easy. dude, this whole live thing, regardless of how you feel about it, it's ripe for parody. The whole thing is right for parody. And that is, dude, Will Ferrell, Blades of Glory, Taladega Night's semi-pro. It's perfect. It's perfect for it. And they're doing it. So, yeah, again, somebody contact me.
Starting point is 01:03:56 I'll just, I just need, like, an executive producer tag in the credits is all I want. Special thanks. A hat tip. Special thanks. Maybe put me in the background. I mean, this is a golf show. It's going to be a golf show that they're doing. Just put me in the background.
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Starting point is 01:06:11 and to get more information about two of America's top 100 golf courses. I have an issue with sports and stats that I'd like to bring up to you guys. Okay. It may be somewhat controversial, but in the sports world. But do you guys find it insane that playoff stats are not included in a guy's career stats? So you talk about a guy, let's talk about hockey. You talk about a guy. He celebrated his 1,000th game.
Starting point is 01:06:43 and they give him a fucking silver stick and they bring it out there. And then you look and then and then you're like in the middle of the playoffs like I am right now. And then and I'm watching like Brock Nelson fucking grinding his way up and down the fucking ice and he's hitting pucks off guys faces and basically hitting doubles down the line into the net. And and like when you talk about games played like they really don't even count that. Like it's in a separate playoff category that is in like it's on a dusty bookshelf that no one ever fucking. talks about. And then they'll celebrate his like regular season games played. But I would argue that like all of those regular season games played are all meant for this moment. Like it's all for the playoffs and to win a Stanley Cup and to win a championship. And they just kind of toss it to the side. And they're like,
Starting point is 01:07:31 no, no, that's just like another thing that you'll be compared to guys that made the playoffs also. I'm going to get this all out there before you guys give your take. I see the other side where it's like you need a standard. You need a control. I'm going to be able to talk. I'm listening. I got my have phones in. You need a control to base like one career over the next. And to that I would say I call bullshit because like when do we ever truly have a perfect like here like A and A1 or A1 and A2 1A 1A 1B careers where you could say like they both play the same amount. They had the same opportunities. Like like what's to say that like a guy like Leon Leon Leyen Drysidal on the Edmondson Oilers isn't having a better opportunity to pad his.
Starting point is 01:08:13 his stats for the rest of his career because he plays with Connor McDavid. I'm throwing a lot of names at you right now. But like, but like, but like, but like, why is like, why is that not supposed to be, um, not fair to the guy that played on the Arizona Coyotes his whole entire career? You know what I mean? And like, I get that you can't say that the guy that made the playoffs every year because his team made it should have an advantage of, of padding his stats and getting into the whole fame because he was on an all star, on a better team and he made the playoffs more.
Starting point is 01:08:41 But to that I say bullshit. It's luck of the draw. It's like, also them being good is probably in some part because he's good. The players make up the team. But like your career is like your career. If you didn't make the playoffs your entire career, like that's fucking your fault.
Starting point is 01:08:54 So you think they should count total goals including playoff goals, including. I just, you know the one that really drives me crazy as games played? Well, games played, I think I find that to be insane. Well,
Starting point is 01:09:03 that's, that's disingenuous. It's an NHL game. Yeah, it's a game. And that's what they say like, games that you're talking about are far more important and more taxing than the ones that they're comparing.
Starting point is 01:09:11 It's about being healthy. It's about like, staying healthy. It's about like, like, you know, actually playing the games. And then here's my last point is like, if you're going to tell me that it's not fair to include playoff stats against another player that doesn't make the playoffs, to that I say bullshit because the team that went further then has like a less has less of an advantage of playing well at the start of the next season because they were fucking grinding for three, four months and they were doing things. Well, they were playing playoff hockey and breaking their ankles. And what if a guy,
Starting point is 01:09:43 I like missed the regular season the next year because he gets hurt in the fucking playoffs like does that not is that not fair now of a sudden he's missing games played for his career and goals for his career because he gave it everything he had to the playoffs I don't know it just it doesn't sit right with me and it's almost something that like I like I want to really fight to the death where it's like dude Wayne gresky would have like we could look it up he would have like 200 or 300 more goals in his career because of the fucking playoffs it's just like you're not you're not going to count that and you're just going to you're going to we're going to talk play
Starting point is 01:10:13 Stats one day. Come on. They do this in college reports, right? Bull games and all that stuff counts for everything. Counts. That's right. It all just counts. I don't know. It's not unprecedented. Yeah, I completely agree.
Starting point is 01:10:24 It would be one thing if they split it into categories and we talked about playoffs stats, but nobody talks about playoffs. Nobody does. Yeah. So I completely, yeah, and scoring goals in the playoffs is, that's what the fucking sport is about. So I agree with you. I completely.
Starting point is 01:10:37 And I think for baseball, too, I think everything should count. It's the season. And if you make it to the playoffs, that's your award is making, you know, you made it to the playoffs. Good. you're a better team. Guess how many numbers, guess how many people
Starting point is 01:10:46 you have to go down to in total points leaders in NHL history before you get to an American? 15. How many points? That's a Frankie Clare. What number in the ranking?
Starting point is 01:10:58 Did it involve? Dan, let's do it. 15. You just said something. Yeah, dude. Why not? God.
Starting point is 01:11:05 I'll say 7. 7.25. Wow. So who's the best American player ever? In that, according to that list? Brad Hall in this list has... He's not top 20 in points.
Starting point is 01:11:17 He has the most points of any American with 1391. He's 25th. Mike Madonna is 26. Where's Patrick King? 1374. Patrick Kane has 1,237. It says he's 41st. Are they all Canadian?
Starting point is 01:11:34 Is it all Canadians or is it also... Dude, is it also so like... Wayne Gratsky and then Yarmour Yager, who's Czech Republic. and then literally all Canadians until you get to Ovechkin, who's six, who's 16. I want to hear your take on this, Riggs,
Starting point is 01:11:49 on the playoff stuff. I think you're 100% right. I agree with everything you said. I don't, yeah, I can't even fathom why that wouldn't. The only, and I think all the justifications that people probably use
Starting point is 01:12:00 that you brought up are completely meaningless to me. Like, I don't, who, like, it's not fit, like, the control thing means nothing to me because it's like,
Starting point is 01:12:09 they're like, Well, you need, like, you need something, like, you're not allowed to compare a guy's career based off of, like, how his team went. But, like, in a team sport, it happens anyway. Like, where, why are you able to just draw the line? Like, that's what I mean. Like, like, if a guy just gets a bad draw and gets drafted by a team that never makes it out of the bottom five teams in the league, and they get fucking dumped on his entire career. But he was in a fucking highly skilled player that on another high powered offense, if he would have went to the Toronto Maple Leafs or played with Ovechkin his entire career, he would have, he would have been a hallfamer.
Starting point is 01:12:40 but because he was on the Arizona Coyotes, he sucked or didn't show up on the stats. Like, that's just a bad luck of the draw. Why can't, why do we draw the line there? Like, why do we say that's acceptable to compare careers? But we don't say, oh, this guy made the playoffs every 10 years or every year for the 10 years. And he was just a compiler of stats. That's just how sports work. There's, there's compiler of stats all the time.
Starting point is 01:13:01 I would also say, like, part of it might be you want to separate the playoff stats because you want to see who's able to perform in the playoffs and who's not. It's the same with the regular season. But you could do that. Right, you could still do that. Even if you combine them all, you could still separate out. Here's how he does in the playoffs. Here's how he does in the regular season. But here is how he does overall.
Starting point is 01:13:19 And I'm still all for like regular season. Like I'm not saying to get rid of like like goals and awards. Regular season. All the awards are that's 100%. I'm saying at the end of a guy's career, it just drives me a little bit crazy when we have to like do the addition on our own. When you go to like hockey reference.com, you got to like see exactly how many all-time points Wayne Gretzky had because you have to combine his all-time regular
Starting point is 01:13:43 season points out to is you don't want to have a little math yeah but I think that's bullshit his career was his career I get he won fucking four cups his career his career but you kind of end up doing it anyway like I know what you're saying but the records is actually a good point with first season to season where like the home run record obviously you're going to have to keep that just the regular season then you can't count post season ones right but you so you end up doing all the work anyway. So you know what I mean? Yeah. I'm saying season by season, it's fine. I'm not fucking trying to change sports. I'm just saying when a guy's career is set and done, how are we not including like the biggest moments that he had in his career in his career stats? Yeah. I agree with that.
Starting point is 01:14:26 It's always just been something that like I just can't get behind. And it feels like it's like I'm dirty saying it. I've wrote it in a couple of group chats and I've been I've been kicked out. I've been kicked out of the group chats. They're like, you're a fucking idiot. Whenever I bring up that, that comparison of like one guy playing with a better player than the other,
Starting point is 01:14:43 they're like, that's just fucking stupid because like, that's just sports. And I'm like, well, it's just sports if one guy makes the playoffs and another guy's doesn't, fuck you.
Starting point is 01:14:50 But I also would say like I look, every time I look at, if I look at points, right? Like, I'm looking at the points list right now. And it says games played. I always factor in games played,
Starting point is 01:15:01 whether they're playoffs or not. So that number, if the guy's points go up, the games played are going, to go up. Right. So like when I'm looking at like it doesn't matter to me. So when I'm looking at this like Wayne Gretzky games played 1487. He's number one. He's got 2857 points. Yomri Yager's number two. He's got almost 300 more games played and he has almost a thousand less points. So I like factor that into my brain of like, wow, Gretzky's even more impressive there. But that's the only thing that would
Starting point is 01:15:30 change. So if like they're going to change together, it's not like they're going to just add the points and not add games played. So what's the difference? The games played one is particularly offensive because you're, you're right. Like LeBron James has 1,421 career games played, but that doesn't include 270 playoff games. It's three and a half.
Starting point is 01:15:50 And you're telling me that doesn't include, that doesn't affect his next season. Of course it does. So then at that point, like his career stats are actually getting affected by making the playoffs. And then if that's the case, you have to include it. Yeah. You have to include it.
Starting point is 01:16:03 The first three weeks of the next season, he's going to be like a shell of himself because he just played basically half a season in the playoffs. Who's the real scoring champ? Is it him or Kareem when you put all that shit together? You know what I mean? Too much math. That's just put it all together. Yes. It's way too much math.
Starting point is 01:16:20 It's too much mad. I really, really are going to be interested to see what the reaction to this is. They're going to call me fucking stupid. They're going to say that they don't want to talk about sports anymore. but I talked about that at the beginning of the show. They're just, listen to me with just like an open heart. With open,
Starting point is 01:16:39 just like, just be open about it when I'm, just really think about what I'm saying. Unfortunately for you, people are going to be going crazy over my hockey place. They're probably, it's about the career, man. It's their career.
Starting point is 01:16:49 I'm not saying to change, you know, you know, season standings and season stats. I'm saying when we're comparing Karim Abdul Jbar and we're comparing LeBron and James, how many points did they actually score?
Starting point is 01:17:01 because I'll tell you what, majority of fans, they only care about this. They only care about these moments right now. He's kind of a nerd and like numbers, stats. No, I totally agree.
Starting point is 01:17:13 I was looking it up. I think Greske has like 380 points in the playoffs alone. 380 points. That's just not included. That's more than that Martin has. That's a fucking shot of Matt Martin. I think that's more than like Matt Martin has his entire career. Uh-huh.
Starting point is 01:17:27 I wouldn't be surprised. That's crazy. And those games are harder. and more taxing and there's less goals scored, like, statistically. So that's, yeah, I'm with you. In a rare case, Frankie brought up a very animated point. We're all with you. Five or five.
Starting point is 01:17:41 That's what your record. I'm going through right now what Frankie is talking about. I'm trying to figure out who the scoring champion the NBA is. And I'm just all over. I just looked it up with LeBron. You got to carry the one. Yeah. Wait, how did you do that so fast?
Starting point is 01:17:56 I just searched scoring champ, including playoffs. And there's. What's the one number? another double shi, double ricochet shout at Matt Martin because I fucking love Matt Barton. I love his wife. I love everything about his family. Gretzky doubled him up in the playoffs in his career.
Starting point is 01:18:10 Doubled. Doubled. So that's what I mean. Like at the end of the day, this guy needs some fucking, Wayne Gretzky needs to have those tallied at the end, man. Now I wonder how many points did fucking Ovechkin have in the playoffs? Is Ovechkin actually closer or does Gretzky's playoffs just absolutely put Ovechkin out of the fucking, he blows him out of the fucking water.
Starting point is 01:18:29 There's no way that's going to be closer. There's no way that's going to be closer. I mean, Gretzky won four cups. Now that we talk about it, it's crazy that we have to do this. It's crazy that we have to add up LeBron's regular season points and his playoff points. They're all just points. Trent, making the playoffs and winning championships is what sports is. It's literally the incentive.
Starting point is 01:18:47 We're eliminating the most important part of the year. And like people might say, oh, there's a separate stat for that. He's the greatest postseason player of all time. Derek Jeter had like different stats in the postseason than he did regular season. And to that, I would say you can still. split them up. MLB has a great website where they have all these splits. How does a guy do at night?
Starting point is 01:19:07 How does a guy do during the day? We're like Cam Young now. We're like directing people to MLB website. Yes. Like they have a great, MLV website's great. And so is the NHL website. And they're both run by the same.
Starting point is 01:19:18 No, I think everyone in the NHL are owned by the same company. Isn't it? BAM sucks. Isn't it? I think it's MLBBBBBBBs. MLB's website and the NHL stats, the way that they're able to fucking.
Starting point is 01:19:31 you could you could lose a month on the internet just absolutely just going through splits how does rock let's play against a guy with who has tape on top of his fucking knee gap as opposed to below it's crazy it's crazy do you guys have a favorite uh sports stat of all time oh man that's a really i've got a i've got like a famous first like favorite first 15 or probably tiger woods fast yeah i've got a pretty good one right now actually that's pretty relevant doc prescott's the the longest um 10 year quarterback in the NFL right now with this team. That's a pretty fucking like whoa stat. Oh, wow. That's like a new era starting. That's a pretty crazy
Starting point is 01:20:07 like woe stat. Because Aaron Rogers is no longer on the Packers. He's on the JETS Jets up Jets. Thank you Alex Bush. We've got our man at the end of the day. Dak Prescott is the number one. I do. 10 year fucking quarterback in the NFL right now, 2016. I do have probably a favorite sports stat. And it's kind of trivia more than it's stat. But there's one player
Starting point is 01:20:29 in NHL history. who won the Kahn-Smith trophy for the playoff MVP, and then the following year won rookie of the year during the regular season. I'm sorry, I was, what was that? Give it to me one more time. So there's only one player in the history of the NHL who won the Kahn-Smith Award for best, most valuable player in the playoffs, and then the following season won rookie of the year.
Starting point is 01:20:58 So we got called up late in the year and was unbelievable, and then was eligible to win it the next year. It's like, well, it's obviously nothing. I mean, people are fucking Matt Murray. Remember when he got called up for the penguins? And then he won the cup and the next year was his rookie year. I don't think anybody's going to get it. No, who is it?
Starting point is 01:21:14 It's Ken Dryden, who I believe he's going, but I believe he was at Cornell. And then they got eliminated. And then he, like everybody does sign, went to the NHL and then won the Khan Smy. So then his following season was his rookie year. I've got two great stats for you. I've got one, but you go first. Okay, number one. No, Trent, you go first.
Starting point is 01:21:35 This is your question. I'll go for it. I'll go. I'll go first. I, so Stan Musial, if I'm pronouncing that correctly, eras, or, um, St. Louis Cardinal, great. He had 3,630 career hits. He had the exact same amount on the home as he, at home as he did on the road.
Starting point is 01:21:52 Wow. Split right down the middle. 1,815 hits away and home. It's pretty incredible. when you think about a baseball career. So now I'm going to have three because you just reminded me of a great stat. What's the Tony Gwynn's that of how many walks he had or how many strikeouts he had? Tony Gwyn would never strike out.
Starting point is 01:22:11 I'm talking to the point where I think it was like less than 10 or 15 times a year. If you look at this guy's stats, it's out of control. If you look up Tony Gwyn's strikeout stats, they're laugh out loud funny. But I'm going to hit you guys with the ones that really that stick out to me personally. 19 consecutive playoff series won by the 1980 to 1984. I don't think that will ever be done ever again. They won four cups in a row. So four championships in their league.
Starting point is 01:22:35 And then the fifth year, they went to the Stanley Cup finals and lost to Gretzky. So to be a fan of that team and watch what I'm watching right now, which is a playoff series and I'm living and dying with every single shot and every single goal. And to win 19 of those in a row is fucking crazy. That will never be done again in professional sports history. I really don't think so. No team will ever go to the, I don't think they will. That's out of control.
Starting point is 01:23:00 I got two Tiger ones. Can I give you one more? Sorry about that. Ken Morrow on that team was on the, this is, now this is a crazy just life. He was on the miracle on ice team in 1980. Then he gets drafted by the New York Islanders and wins four straight
Starting point is 01:23:16 Stanley Cups. By the time that guy was like 23 years old, he had won the greatest gold medal of all time, legitimately the craziest fucking sporting event ever. And then went on to win four Stanley Cups and went to the fifth Stanley Cup and fucking lost. Talk about it. a defenseman that had a fucking hell of us.
Starting point is 01:23:31 The guy didn't know what losing was. That's sixth year, that fifth year, he's like, what must have been devastating? He must have been like, what the fuck? What do you mean? And they don't even fucking retire the guy's number. Ken, Marrow, I knew I knew I recognized that name. It must be from the movie. I've got two Tiger ones. The first one I've
Starting point is 01:23:47 said on this podcast before, but if he only played in 2000 and 2001, he would have 17 wins in four major championships, which is just out of control. How many Hall of Fame careers has he had? I mean, three, four? No, more, more, more.
Starting point is 01:24:02 I mean, 15 wins and two and two majors is like a Hall of Fame career. So six, seven. The other one is, so 1997, 21-year-old Tiger Woods wins the Masters by 12 shots. It's, you know, it's the coming of age. He's the number. The next year, 22-year-old Tiger Woods finishes tied for eighth. Two shots behind 58-year-old Jack Nicholas, who finished tied for six that year. Fuck.
Starting point is 01:24:28 So Jack beat him. the next year. It's pretty awesome. That's unreal. A tiger completely tore a swing down and was rebuilding a swing, so let's not. I like this. I like favorite sports statistics. That'd be good. People can write in their favorite sports
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Starting point is 01:27:15 For Play at barstlesports.com, send us an email, title it from the gallery. If it's good, we'll read it and we'll discuss it on the show. Steven says, why do golf courses that host tournaments annually take the grandstands down? If I'm playing to play TBC Scottsdale, for example, I'd love to have the stands up, get more of a tournament feel. If you get to take batting practice at Fenway, stadium is part of the experience. Why don't golf courses do the same thing? I actually asked this question as soon as I moved here to Scottsdale, and it's a very interesting answer, and it's taxes.
Starting point is 01:27:46 If they were to leave those structures up throughout the entire year, those would technically be deemed permanent structures, and the course or the event or whomever would have to pay property tax on those structures. So instead, it's significantly cheaper for them to incur the cost of just putting them up of taking them down. That's wild. Yeah, I knew that. I asked Alistair that. Um, and yeah, because I saw that they were still up and I was asking, oh, how long are they up? He's like, yeah, they leave them up for a while. It's not like they take him down Monday after. They do it where it's like, yeah, I guess like one week less than they would have to pay taxes for it. Yeah, I, you know, on my stupid brain, I'd never thought about them just keeping them up. They should just keep those up.
Starting point is 01:28:25 Yeah, the one at Phoenix, I mean, at least I know that's the case there. The one at the Phoenix open at TBC, I was told for that reason. And that makes a lot of sense. And I was like, how can't you guys just negotiate like a, you know, a specific city ordinance for how much revenue this event drives to the city of Scottsdale or whatever to like allow you not to have to pay. But then they're like, that opens a can of worms. And then everybody starts to reference this one statute whenever they want to get out of not paying property tax, blah, blah, blah, blah. So if the folks that told me this are correct, it's so that they don't have to pay property tax. I wonder how much that ends up being. because that, I mean, because they, I'm sure they've calculated like the labor of it and how long it takes and yada, yada, yada to the point where it makes more sense to take them down.
Starting point is 01:29:13 But boy, it'd be way easier just to leave them up. Way easier. Property tax pitch. I think it absolutely, though. If I would play in a PJ tour golf course, I think I would want, I think I would want the grandstands there. I mean, definitely saw. Definitely. Definitely add Scottsdale.
Starting point is 01:29:26 Well, and it makes TBC Scottsdale worth it, right? Like outside. They charge four or five hundred bucks. It's a lot there. People do it for the experience. The course overall. start to finish is pretty okay compared to a lot of the courses out here. But that experience of having the grandstands and the stadium makes it really,
Starting point is 01:29:41 really cool. I mean, I think like 14, 15, 16, 17, 17 and 18 are really cool. But the rest of the course is not when you have a stadium up, it's fucking awesome. And so when it's not there, it's clearly a bummer for a lot of people. Yeah,
Starting point is 01:29:51 I guess you could just, you, for 16 at TBC Scottsdale, you could literally just build that into a stadium. Just make it a stadium. Instead of every year ripping it down and whatever. And again, they're going to end up getting tax.
Starting point is 01:30:04 on it. But you, that hole of all the holes in the world, just build permanent seats there. Right. Right. Right. In his 20 year career, Tony Gwyn struck out 434 times. It's an average of 21.7Ks per season. And for reference, 129 players on average strikeout 22, 22 times in the first month of the season. Right.
Starting point is 01:30:28 Go look at, um, go like look at Ryan Howard's strikeouts. There 22 strikeouts. 22 strikeouts. The guy gets up four times a game. Dude, that's so, like, it became in baseball, it became, like, more beneficial to swing and, like, go after it and strike out. Like, they did the math on that where it was, even if, like, if you strike out, that's fine. But, like, be swinging at it, be looking for pitches to hit. Like, Tony Gwynn, his approach was, I'm not going to strike out. And he's one of the greatest hitters ever.
Starting point is 01:30:58 So there's different ways to do it. But it became, like, striking out became the thing. People didn't even care. like in contract negotiations i don't think they care if you struck out 200 times a year it was just like whatever it changed big time and he batted 300 like it's it's not like you know what i mean it's not like his guy was just swinging it's too much tony gwin talk he died of he died of mouth cancer from chint tobacco and makes me hey you know that's true yeah i don't like a little up i don't like a wake up call there i don't like talking about tony gwin all that much yeah yeah
Starting point is 01:31:27 yeah right howard it was like 186 157 172 190 these are seasons of strikeouts. 190. That's crazy. One 90 sounds like a lot. It's a lot. We lost Frankie again? Oh, it's the,
Starting point is 01:31:41 it's the Adam Hayes. You might have Adam hazed. Are we just not going to have Frankie's? That'd be a very funny version of the show. No Frankie. What an all-time moment this would be if at the end of the day, my audio is not on the show because
Starting point is 01:31:54 pre-show we talked about how I was not going to record a backup. Right. For those that weren't there, which no one was there. We haven't recorded. I think we were recording when you had that conversation. That'd be very funny. You're making me nervous.
Starting point is 01:32:06 Yeah, it said I have an unsupported browser. Whatever that means. What are you looking up on that browser? Oh, you don't want to know. I actually thought too, like Bush, have you ever thought of just screen recording the whole thing? I mean, you could. I don't, I mean, the quality would be shit. But I'm saying you, like Alex Bush, as the producer.
Starting point is 01:32:26 Have you thought of just screen recording the whole show so that even if the back end of Riverside fucks up, you actually have a recording of it? But that's why we do the local backup recording because it's good quality. But that wouldn't have the video, right? No, but we haven't run into where the video hasn't come in yet. That hasn't been an issue. Yeah. We've been doing this for a day. But that's what I'm saying.
Starting point is 01:32:47 We need to stop recording right now. We need to finish this podcast so that I can see if this works because I think there's a 99% chance that none of this recorded for me. That can't be. But if you had screen recorded, then you would at least have it push. just kind of what's just like an idea. I might go to the movies tonight. What are you going to go see? You got to calm the mind.
Starting point is 01:33:08 Yeah. I was just, I don't know. What's out right now? I don't know. I keep seeing, I'm watching NBA playoffs and they keep running this horror movie ad that I, I think that should be illegal.
Starting point is 01:33:18 I don't think they should be able to run horror movie trailers when I'm not actively engaging in wanting to watch a horror movie trailer. Yeah. That's crazy. Yeah, you're like watching like a nice fun basketball game and that's, it's like rise dead evil. And I'm like, come on, man.
Starting point is 01:33:33 I'm in a scary hotel room. I'm trying to watch the playoffs. And now I, like, I'm not going to go to be able to sleep because I think there's demons everywhere. It's not fair. Maybe I'll go see air. That movie, Air, that's great. Oh, I think you to see that. People say that's great.
Starting point is 01:33:46 Yeah. Luke from Raleigh, favorite truly flavors wildberry, asked Frankie. Would Frankie rather the islanders and the Rangers both win one cup in his lifetime? But the Rangers win one before. Frankie's guaranteed at least a year of having the Rangers won one or not or neither team wins one in his entire lifetime. That's a great question. The obvious answer is the first option because then I get to like just go on top of them and like,
Starting point is 01:34:19 oh, we did it too. What you did wasn't that special. And I get the second one. And now it's like I'm like no one even remembers your Stanley Cup because it's all mine. I have it here in my hand. You would never take it if the Rangers won the most recent one. No. Right. No. No. No. No, no, no. But I don't know that I'd survive that first year is the thing.
Starting point is 01:34:39 As a human, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That year would be brutal. And if the Rangers ever win the cup, I'm done. You got to hope that you're off the internet by then. Yeah, it's just, it's over for me. But you even have it in your real life. She's kind of like, what, see you later, boys.
Starting point is 01:34:55 It's gone. It's over, you know? I don't have the luxury of just being like, we'll get them next year. Like, once my season's over, it's just beginning. Right, because in this scenario, you obviously don't know that the Islanders are going to win the next one. And that year, you just think that's the
Starting point is 01:35:09 rest of your life. You're just... Barcelona's sports book was offering me a cash out after... So the Rangers were up. I put $2,000 on the New York Rangers to win, to win like $26,000. Downside protection. To win the cup, to win 26 grand. And I, um, hedge my happiness.
Starting point is 01:35:26 And then after they were up to nothing, I was offered like $2,900. They were like, take this money because we think they're going to win. And now they're offering me like $400 because it's like it's 2-2, going back to the devil, going back to New Jersey. It's amazing. Those switches, man. Those cash outs and like the fluctuations on the sports books of like where they think that series is is amazing. It's amazing how quickly that changes.
Starting point is 01:35:50 And they know too. They kind of know. Oh, they know. They know way more than any of us know. Elio is fucking on fire too. Oh, my God. Dude, I love Elio. Two nights in a row for me with him.
Starting point is 01:36:00 It's just follow Elio. I'm at like four or five nights or something where he's hit winners. Oh, my God. And I mean, we've grinded a few. we've had a couple that cashed halfway through the second period. The one was like never going to hit. And then a massive comeback to get to 3-3-4s overtime. 3 plus 3 equals 7.
Starting point is 01:36:19 So Elio has just been killing it. If you don't follow Mr. Ice on Twitter, set notifications, he makes a pick pretty much every night. And he picks it over and they fucking hit, man. His record's crazy. His videos are great. I showed a video. I showed a video to this girl.
Starting point is 01:36:38 what are you doing it? I was like betting on hockey. And she's like, oh, you bet a lot on hockey? I go, no, I only bet with my guy, Ellie. Oh, she's like, oh, who's Ellie? I started the video. And she goes, you bet on this game based just on this video? It was just Elio going, listen, listen, making the pick and then just showing his bice. And I was like, yeah, that's Mr. Ice. And then like three days later, she texted me, she's like, are you betting again tonight?
Starting point is 01:36:59 I go, yeah. She goes, hasn't he won every time? I go, yeah, that's why we fucking bet with Mr. Elio. The guy wins every fucking time. He's the best. Elio 82 on Twitter. Give that guy a follow.
Starting point is 01:37:10 He's just in it. He loves it. He's in it for basketball. I think in some capacity. Yeah. Kind of. I don't know. I don't know what the paperwork says.
Starting point is 01:37:20 I was quite hired him. I said, I don't know. I don't know. I think he did. He is Dave's like closest gambling buddy. And they go to horse races together and stuff. Forever.
Starting point is 01:37:33 And he has a family and a job. He owns like a, what's he own a pizza? He's just electric on Twitter. He owns a pizza joint and then he a couple years ago just, you know, because he's Dave's boy, he gets into content, whatever. And he started like a year ago or whatever, just going with hockey overs and became Mr. Ice. So that's why we don't know if he's actually hired by Barstool or he's just, he has like 11 kids and fucking owns this pizza joint and just tweets out videos. Even employee or not, he's an incredible asset. He's making great merch.
Starting point is 01:38:04 He's slinging his bets and everybody. three plus three equals seven it's the smartest merch ever is like the best merch we've put out in a while and we just put i mean up until we put out this pj championship merch because it take like it has a story to it you have to understand like what it is because i didn't know that hockey rule forever and then i see three plus three plus seven and i'm like well listen i'm not the smartest guy in the world but i know that math is not correct and then you learn like that's it's going overtime you're going to get a point it's fucking he's so much fun to follow he really is It's fucking great. Barstall Sportsbook, L.A.O. It's the best. So, yeah, we got another big night tonight. This show comes out on Thursday.
Starting point is 01:38:44 We got the Mexico open. There's John Rob, Tony Fee now, and then nobody, I believe, playing in this event. Me and Kirk just did the gambling show. I'm big. My biggest play this week. I know we mentioned Barstle's Sportsbook. I got Gary Woodland top five.
Starting point is 01:38:59 That's my big play this week. It's plus 500. It's five to one. Great golf course for him. But you can check out our pick. for that and it's the Mexico open so again we kind of shit on it earlier that it's not the most wild field I've ever seen in my entire life but PJ Torr is back on John Rom. John Rom in the field. Yeah he's defending his title. He's an honorable man. He really is. He's an honorable
Starting point is 01:39:22 guy. Are we going to do the are we going to just yeah just talking about how great John? I mean he's great. He's awesome. He's absolutely awesome. He's having a moment. We can if you want. Yeah. I mean, what a guy. I mean, for him to show up at RBC Heritage after Augusta. I mean, just what a guy. Yeah. I you guys have a weird thing Dan you and John Rom because he was like asking he's like is he dodging me when he came on our show you guys told me not to come on no but I didn't know that I told him something on I said that but I didn't know if there was something that you guys had never gotten into no no I like John I feel like John he like he like he said it with like a smile I'm like whoa what do you mean I couldn't tell if he was I couldn't tell if he was just kind of where's the other one chirp or if there was some history there no no I think he was just yeah fun I think he's like he's like he's like three. weeks older than me. So we're, you're right to say, I get along with him fine. We have the same haircut. Isn't that the worst when people like, yeah, Rory's my same age. I'm like, I'm like three weeks older than Rory McElroy. It's like that's, you and Johnny Goodrow are born in the same day. There you go. Same day. And, you know, things are going all right. We got PJ Championship merch on right now,
Starting point is 01:40:24 but Rory's doing great. Yeah, you're doing good too, though, Trent. You're doing just fine. That's going all right, but my dad would probably prefer if I were Roy McElroy. Yeah. My big one, Sidney Crosby. He's like born, like, he's like seven months younger than I am. And obviously I was a hockey guy and thought I was the shit. And then there was just Sydney Crosby just came in like Trent's hockey play. He just came flying it. Okay. Because it doesn't matter so much now.
Starting point is 01:40:51 Like when I see, when I see a younger athlete, like when you see like a whoever, like the young phenom, I'm nowhere close to that. I'm 10 years older than these people. We don't even know. We don't listen to the same music. We don't know any of the same reference points. But me and Rory, we know, I mean, we saw the same things and just went different ways. Did you know that 80% of people are not drinking enough water to stay fully hydrated if you're hanging with the boys on Friday nights? Maybe you're playing 18 on Saturday.
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Starting point is 01:42:24 And it saved us because it was New Orleans. It was hot. You guys were in like sweats, like body suits, sweating your freaking tits on. They had to oil me up and put the body suit on. They had to cover my upper half in this oil. fucking chair that Trent was sitting in that I think I honestly I think that this little room that Trent and I were in this little makeup hair makeup room was maybe the hardest I've laughed in that short of period of time in my entire life hit hit his chair looked like one of these homes from like
Starting point is 01:42:54 Harry Potter that they hold together with magic that's just crumbling and he's this fucking chair and to Trent's point it wasn't his fault it would the chair looked like that before he sat down but to the naked eye and those that didn't see things come together via context, it looked like Trent Ryan was just sitting in this poor wooden chair and just, it was crumbling beneath it. I was laughing so hard. I was trying to clear the record. I was trying to tell them that, like,
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Starting point is 01:43:45 They're a big supporter of the classic, unlike those people online that are brainless. So go to drinkbiolite.com, use the promo code classic and get 10% off your first case of biolite's new flavor punch. What you guys think about Whitney's horrible take of not being able to wear, he doesn't like when people wear jerseys to hockey games? Adults wear jerseys. Was he saying a jersey of another man or what about just a team jersey? It doesn't matter. I mean, any jersey.
Starting point is 01:44:16 I think he was like just jerseys to hockey games are lame. Hockey jerseys are great though. Yeah. Like, they're functional. You need to be, you need to be warm. I think if.
Starting point is 01:44:25 Sweater. Yeah, I don't mind. Coming from a ex player, it just boggles my, and I'm obviously, I'm a fucking super fan. He calls me a jock sniffer.
Starting point is 01:44:34 At the end of the day, like, like, like, coming from an ex player, it's crazy. to me that he can't see why like wearing the jersey and being the fan is the thing like that's why professional sports like an older man like rooting on a younger kid and like wearing the name on the back
Starting point is 01:44:53 of his jersey is like why sports are sports that's why he made millions of dollars like or else he'd just be playing at his local rank in boston and just be really good at it like professional sports are at the level that they're at because we all buy in and like it's larger than life and we want to rep the names on our backs and like that's why it's never it shouldn't be creepy or weird or or like pathetic to wear a jersey to a game that's what it's what sports you are the first person i thought of when i saw that clip i was like frankie what adult do i know that wears a jersey every day of like other people and it was you but like the other person is like the it's like that's what the entertainment that's like you can't just say it's like another person it's like it's the guy on the team it's
Starting point is 01:45:37 like what like why where is the line being drawn it's like you're like you you spend $500 on tickets to go watch another guy play a sport like sick dude like like what do you mean like where's the line being drawn you're like you go and take your kids to watch these like kids go play hockey like why don't you go spend time with him at home or so it's like where's the line then I don't get it I don't know yeah no I get what you're saying he's saying it reaches like a certain age it starts to get weird is that what he's saying he's just like I think he's just like a jersey wearing jerseys to games is lame that's what he's saying I don't know what are you supposed to do like I don't know It's like you can only you can only you can only be a fan to a certain point and then you become lame.
Starting point is 01:46:15 I don't know like why one. You just have to. Why is one fan less lame than another? I don't get that. Yeah. You're all just you're all there at the arena doing the same shit. It's like you're all you're all kind of in the same boat. I don't know.
Starting point is 01:46:26 You're wearing a college shirt and I'm wearing a jersey, but you're cooler than me. You're still the same fucking thing watching the same thing as me. I'm keeping my Brock Nelson jersey. I'm going to wear that. Yeah. I don't know. I just didn't. I don't find that to be cool to like, yeah.
Starting point is 01:46:37 I think it's lame to show up in like a t-shirt. I feel like Witt wasn't completely committed to that either. He kind of seemed like he knew that that was... He did. I think the end of that clip, he was like, am I wrong? Am I wrong? So I think he might have felt that way too. I will say that when the next World Cup comes around,
Starting point is 01:46:53 obviously I'll be rooting for USA, but I did purchase a Leo Messi jersey, Argentinagers. I will be wearing a Leo Messi jersey. I love that guy. I fucking love that guy. Yeah, man. And like, the guys, like, they want to see their jerse as being worn.
Starting point is 01:47:08 Brock Nelson, Brock Nelson loves that Trent wears his jersey He fucking loves that Like that's fucking awesome He's not like that guy's lame I think I guess Yeah the overall point is when you start trying to
Starting point is 01:47:18 Police fans and How big of a fan they are That's when it's kind of like I don't know the world we enjoy this thing It's fun Also jerseys are cool hockey jerseys too A big part of the reason I bought the messy jersey Is those Argentina jerseys are fucking sick
Starting point is 01:47:35 Like those are the best jerseys ever yeah Totally I'm like I want one of those I was alive when he won his World Cup and like supplanted himself as maybe the greatest of all time. I'm going to get that fucking jersey and it's the same like I wonder's jerseys especially a couple of the few of are some of the coolest jerseys in the fucking league. So those are just cool to wear. I think they do a great job with hockey sweaters in general. So yeah, I'm with you. This is another one. We're all kind of on the same page today. Yeah. And I feel like as I started becoming buddies with a couple of the guys, I definitely felt
Starting point is 01:48:03 more strange wearing a jersey than like when I was a child. And maybe that's where Whitney's coming from. he's so into it that like once you personally know the guys it's a little bit different because like I'll wear the Brock jersey and I'll go meet the guys after the game and then Barzell comes out and he's like what do you like why are you wearing Brock's jersey and not like mine like what is that like what is that about like this is insane like you were just wearing one of the guys on my team's jersey so that was always weird so maybe Whitney's coming from that place but I still there was a time where I did think like man this is strange to wear this because if I do see them they see me in it And I can maybe see like where he's coming from in that point.
Starting point is 01:48:39 But the general just blanket statement that you're lame if you wear a jersey is fucking crazy. Because not like that's a one in a millions chance. Right. No one else has that experience. You're never going to see the guy after. And even if you did, he'd be like, thank you for that. And they'd sign it or whatever. You're going to have to get like a split Barzel Brock Nelson jersey.
Starting point is 01:48:59 I need the, the Browns jersey where it's all the quarterback. Yeah. The names just go all the way down. I forget. And I forget who is where. But there's a connection between AJ Hawk and Brady Quinn. One of them. Somebody's dating somebody's sister.
Starting point is 01:49:12 Yeah. And they played each other, Ohio State and Notre Dame. Yeah. And they, she wore a split jersey. You're going to have to do that with Barzell and, and Brock Nelson, I guess. I think Kelsey mother had that too for the,
Starting point is 01:49:25 for the Super Bowl. Yeah. It's a thing. Happy birthday to Justin Mancini. I believe today is Justin Mancini's birthday. Love that guy. Big behind the scenes guy. Mancini's great.
Starting point is 01:49:35 We've told a lot of Mancini. Seney stories on the show. I believe I think I referenced them earlier when I was ranting about the partial classic and the handicapped police who were the dumbest people on planet Earth and make us all feel better about ourselves than our brainpower. But anyways, happy birthday to Justin Mancini. You had, you had a full, you open the show with a full monologue about those people. Yeah, I was ranting alone in my apartment last time when I was reading some of these fucking tweets and I was going to just fire back of people. And I was like, instead, I'm just going to use my platform tomorrow morning on the podcast.
Starting point is 01:50:06 That was a tame version. I was very upset last night with these people. It's very infuriating when people, when the, when the basis for someone else's issues, Trent, are just stupidity. Like, you can't fight against stupidity. You just can't do it. There's no, like, way to win. I'm with you. And the things you're saying are correct.
Starting point is 01:50:24 I just know sometimes Frankie and I sort of, we sort of spin off the planet when we're worried about like this and that and people saying that. I'm surprised that you take it that seriously. You know what I mean? Yeah, I, the reason is because I think that I don't like when people go at the integrity of the classic because I know how much people put effort into that. And then when they're like the winner, I think earns it. And when they put it, they try to spin it as like the winner is just a sandbagging scumbag like in any handicapped event. That infuriates me. So I was very upset last night.
Starting point is 01:50:58 Feel better getting it off my shoulders. Happy birthday, Justin Mancini. Happy birthday. All right. I think we're done here. Mexico but enjoy that banger of an event and then next week they're at Charlotte for the Wells Fargo which is a big event that's an elevated one right Stan Ravelport? Yeah, I'll be there for a few days. That's an elevated event that everyone's going to play in because it's big good golf course two weeks before the PGA. That'll be a fun one. I'll be down in Charlotte for a few days. By the merch.
Starting point is 01:51:22 By the merch. By the merch. By the merch. Storedabarsisports.com. Go check out the video. We got our newest craziest video is out right now, right? On the YouTube machine. Yeah. You broke your ankle. That's exciting stuff. I can't wait to see that. I haven't seen the edit yet because I want to see it in the context of the video tonight when it comes out. Yeah, it's going to be very exciting. Shout to all the people in Rochester. Have we done a podcast since we sold that out in 90 seconds?
Starting point is 01:51:46 I don't think so. I don't know. I don't know. We sold out the Rochester Rock City Scramble in like 90 seconds. So that's a two-man scramble. Kyle Okposo and Matt Malsam will be playing in that. To Buffalo hockey players and also ex-islanders. Very excited to see those guys.
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Starting point is 01:53:54 you get to be in a golf digest story. That's great. All right. All right. Well, I think that's a show, boys. Look at that merchandise. That's nice. Fantastic.
Starting point is 01:54:05 B-cross T, one of the best decisions we've ever made as a brand. It's a fucking great. We always looked for like an alternative logo. It's fucking fire. It's so good. It's like it's ours now. It's just like I see it and I know it's our brand. It's amazing how quickly that's come.
Starting point is 01:54:20 So shout out to the whole merchandise team like you said. But the fact that we just turn this into this is awesome. So a quick little story about the B before I go. I was having a meeting with one of the Augusta Media people at Augusta and one of the servers was over and goes, that's such a, that's such a cool logo. Is that the new Berkman's Place logo? I don't know, that's, that's Barstall Golf, baby.
Starting point is 01:54:39 Listen, if those two, if those two entities want to intermix and intertwine and we're in the majors game, so it's like we're in the majors game. Oh, real quick before we get off. Do we have co-branded Masters Barstall golf gear?
Starting point is 01:54:57 Before or after we did the Colin Mori-Cowahua scram. Well, I'm going to have to, it's going to go to our kin. So if somebody here's going to have like children, those guys are going to be the ones who broke that deal. Let's say we have a chance in the next five years. I think we could like an online thing. You don't think so? Daddy's like, no one. Here's the thing.
Starting point is 01:55:14 They had dude perfect with fucking broken lacrosse sticks play at Amen. They made merch with Nile Horn's name on it. Here's the thing. And I know that Augusta has more money than God. But at the end of the day, money talks. And that's why we've been able, you know, waste management, the players. the Zurich, the PJ Championship. They're not doing this out of the kindness of their hearts.
Starting point is 01:55:33 We're in this. We're all in this for business reasons. So Augusta is in that business as well. There's someone who works in that merchandise program over there who's got quotas to hit. You know, he's going to help you hit those fucking sales quotas right here. Yeah, but it's a little bit different because they don't even sell theirs online. So like, like it would have to be like a, it would be a monumental moment for them. It would be a monumental moment for them to sell theirs online.
Starting point is 01:55:59 and then if they then Oh, you're saying we would be one of the vendors inside. Sure. Oh, yeah. Okay. I'll take that. I thought you meant like sell it on line.
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Starting point is 01:56:15 That would sell a billion. Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God. I put it just on the front. Oh my God. Is that good? I mean, we've been in contact with our merch team today just about like how this whole thing is going.
Starting point is 01:56:25 Two thumbs up. Two thumbs up. PGA championship. If we're looking to do it, everybody's looking to do it. So huge soccer game. All right. Shout out to PJ championship.
Starting point is 01:56:34 Somebody sent me a bunch of soccer picks today. I didn't trust him. It was a four game port late. I was like, all right. Okay. That's all I got. We'll be back on Tuesday per usual. Go buy some merch.
Starting point is 01:56:45 Go check out the YouTube video. Hit it hard. Hit it hard. Hit it hard.

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