Fore Play - Hearings, Allisen Corpuz, & Sepp Straka

Episode Date: July 13, 2023

Packed show. The PGA Tour answered questions in front of the United States Senate on Tuesday. We react to everything we heard, and everything that broke. Frankie returns to discuss his own wedding. And we’ve also got U.S. Women’s Open champion Allisen Corpuz (01:44:43-2:01:53) and John Deere Classic winner Sepp Straka (01:16:32-01:42:14) as guests.You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

Hey, 4Play listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcast, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Oh, Rick! What's that my brother? I got a buddy who struggles with that shot a lot. His name's Frankie Burrilli. So the guys actually gave him a nickname of Butter Knives because he always knifes it across the green. Broads 100.

Now you've got to break 90s. We appreciate what you guys do for golf. It's been really cool. Thank you. You're making it cool. I was like, hey, Phil, you only fucking $29.99. And he grabs 100. He's like, yeah, I won $90,000 a week yesterday.

He goes, take 100 and go fuck yourself. What? What are you that different? It's a hobby. Foreplay, presented by Barstool Sports. We have a packed show today. We've got two guests. We got Allison Corpuz, who just won the United States Women Open at Pebble Beach.

And then we got Sepp Strachau, who just won the fifth major, Trent's Tournament, the John Deer Classic. So we've got two guests, and then we've got the Senate hearings, PGA Tour up there, getting grilled a little bit, making big time news, sort of transcending the world of golf to the point where the PGA Tour officials are sitting in front of the United States Senate answering questions about everything that's going on. So we got much to get to. The whole squad's back. We got Frankie, Trent, Dan, myself. Quick, logistical, administrative announcement, I guess. we're going to hold the Dave versus Jersey Jerry video. I know we hyped it up on the last show.

Turns out the whole backstory and how that came to be is from the writer cup. So we're going to wait until the Ryder Cup airs and people understand that backstory. So we can include it in four play Grudge Badge Badge. So a nice little teaser. We kind of tickled your balls and then we just left the room and we left you that way. So sorry about that. No, it's not nice when somebody does that to anyone. And we just did it to all of you listening.

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It's a full-on Ponzi scheme. Frankie Borelli is back on the show. Any parting thoughts for the wedding? We went over it for a good 15, 20 minutes on the last show. All positive because it was a positively great wedding. But do you have any thoughts? I listened to it. You guys did a great recap. Thank you all for coming. Obviously, Danny was on the bachelor party. I'm glad to see you survive. Apparently. Yeah, no, it's been, it's been a whirlwind of a week. It's definitely everything you hear about where it's like it's just go time. It's a show. It's all eyes on you. Super nerve-wracking standing. You know, we did the whole church thing. And it was a beautiful church. And it feels like you're in a moment. And I'm like behind the altar in this room. And it's like I felt like I was stepping on to fucking.

like the biggest like concert stage of all time you know like i was like my heart is in my throat the the organ starts playing it's go time like she's coming down that altar and i'm going to start crying that's something i was most nervous about i was like how much i'm going to cry i was more embarrassed than i was anything so then at some point you just like let it go and you're just like enjoy it i told myself a million times that night to just enjoy it and we did man we fucking tore the fucking roof off that place um heritage club the beth page black everything that's was just so perfect. The weather was great. A little humid, but like all the forecast was supposed to be rain and thunderstorms and it couldn't have went better. The photos, like it was a, it was a cloudy,

like overcast day. The photos are insane because of that. They always say like if it's too bright, like you get all the shadows, you look fat. Just like everything was great. So super excited. Yeah, it's just weird having like a ring on my finger now. It's like very strange. We're ring boys. I did. Yeah. I can't get used to it. I almost have like, physical anxiety of having it on my finger. I like something's constrained. I really like playing around with it because I'm like a fidgety person by nature. So I just kind of always have something now to just.

Yeah. Like usually I like massage my ears of the of the microphone. People can see on the YouTube. And I just do it with my hand. No, it was fucking great, man. I mean, there was, I'd say we probably knocked it out of the park except for the fucking table numbers. She just, you know,

I'm not going to throw my wife under the bus, but she just fucked up, man. She fucked up the table numbers. it is what it is and you know Dave Portnoy he's been so great to me he's the reason why I'm here today he's why I am who I am and uh his great you know he gave us our greatest test as a married couple within within 12 hours of being married I wanted to end it I wanted to end the marriage it was over we we hated each other like you know the next morning you wake up husband and wife you're in you know you got a way family there and i'm reading tweets that he couldn't see his table

number everyone else was like here's here's what happened she got these table numbers and they're like new school with like the script and she's seen them on pinterest and brides of long island facebook group and everyone's getting them the only problem is we dimly lit the entire room and we did like uplighting on the sides so this see-through table number with a white inscription on the on the front doesn't work as well as it does on the website when you order it them where it's just this bright background and then they were supposed to put they have candles all over the tables they were supposed to put a candle in front of them because that i guess had that discussion had come up amongst people just um you know doing all the things and setting it up but

once they just you know they're setting up the table they just put them on the tables and there was no thought to like lighting them up so huge miss i don't think it should have been that big of a talking point but it ended up being one because i think once you're at your table it's at your table the rest of the night it's fine you're just there you're not going to get lost from there there's only fucking 14 tables but it's a huge miss you got to be way better just throw a number if I had if I had my I'm not throwing anyone to the bus but if I had my

the reins on that one I would just would have put a big old number in like a wood block there but it is you wouldn't it's just you know you're not throwing anybody to the bus but it's you or like someone else that could have been involved in the deciding who could it be whoever I'm not sure but yeah if it was if for anybody doesn't know

you just when you're looking for your table once you enter the receptionary, you just couldn't read the table number. The picture that Dave tweeted out is actually shocking. You think he tweeted out nothing. They're like, why did you tweet out? And then you have to look very closely and you can see the number eight. Every single comment is like, I still don't see it. It was crazy.

Yeah, it was crazy. I wish they would have put a candle next to it because it would have just lit it up. But it's like, it is what it is. It should have been better. It was a miss for a purchase. But yeah, everything else I thought went well. The band was great. We lifted my dad up.

He had no shirt on, the Islanders. They just ripped shirts off. It was crazy. I knew that was coming. I just felt it the whole night. At one point on the dance floor, Scotty Mayfield and Matt Martin were circling me like a shark. And I felt like I was in infested waters.

And I made the executive decision to run up to Matt Martin. And I ripped his shirt off first. I started it because I knew it was coming to me. I ran up to him. I popped all his buttons. And then it was a war zone. It was like, we were looking around being like,

like who's next oh my god there's just such funny all-time moments like my buddy one of my buddies rob not big rob but what this other guy rob he's like he's standing there he's trying to avoid getting his shirt ripped and all of a sudden we got a hold of him and he's like it's a brand new shirt and he's screaming and we just pop all his buttons and and later on the night we saw him like on the floor looking for his buttons because he wanted like his wife to be able to sew them back on because it was such an expensive shirt it was like a fucking three hundred dollar college shirt we just ripped it he bought it that morning Jesus yeah It was tough.

So yeah, fun night. I appreciate everyone that came. Obviously, it was a great night. And yeah, just one for the books. It was a great wedding. It was a very fun wedding. Congratulations. I imagine now you guys got to, you know, you got to regroup, right?

I imagine after a wedding. It's just probably a shit ton of stuff you still have to do. Our house is a shit show right now. We got boxes and gifts from people and just like all the stuff that we had at the wedding. Like those table numbers are here. here, which I'll just, I'll melt those in our fire pit in the backyard. I'll melt those fucking table numbers. Chevy.com, baby.

I, um, look, yesterday, I guess two days ago, whenever we did the last show, went to Chevy.com in the middle of the show, I went to Chevy.com slash electric. Actually, I pulled up this Silverado EV and I described how I was sitting in this valley between the mountains. I was sitting on like a little bit overgrown of grass, like rocky little road. And it just, it just captured perfectly this marriage between bow tie, Chevy, American, like, history, trusted brand. And then it was like shining with the sun and like the different, the light colored rocks were reflecting off of this shining all, all electric silverado. And I just thought, what an incredible marvel of humanity that we're able to create these phenomenal models that we've known forever.

and then they're just all electric. It's actually amazing. Yeah, Chevy's done a great job. They've packaged it well. It's just a good looking car that also is an EV. That's where we're going. Chevy's on the forefront. They're the ones.

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beautiful vehicles that are now all electric. So again, go to Chevy.com slash electric. We're in, sorry, my throat is just, the people are going to be crazy. Well, heads up for Sep, too. Sep had a little something in his throat when we interviewed him. He just couldn't quite get through it either. So, um, I'm through it now. Thank you. Uh, yeah, we're just, we're just in thank you note, um, phase. So things are kind of winding down. It's so funny how we think of thank you notes is like the most archaic crazy, like our handwritten thank you note is like the most, it's the classiest thing to do. And it's so easy. Yeah. It's like, I've been dreading doing it so much. I'm like, oh, I got to do these thank you notes. I did 10 in like in like eight minutes. Like you just write like a nice thing and then you

just put a stamp on and like, we act like it's the most. I can't believe he went through all of the effort to write someone a thank you know. Like I think I might, I think I might start doing handwritten thank you notes. It's so easy. It's so easy. Well, that's easy. I mean,

I'm not looking forward to it, but I am looking forward to writing like saying thank you. I don't think anybody thought it was difficult, right? Yeah. Like it's just, just a high volume. Yeah.

I think it's just like tedious and annoying more than it. Well, I'm saying like, I'm saying like in a in a non-wedding capacity. Like I got, I've gotten a couple of handwritten thank you notes or like congratulations or whatever. and they just hit so hard when you get one. And you always think like, wow, that guy is a freaking class act.

He went out, got, you know, on. Yeah. You guys nice stationary. Yeah, like I think I should start. The investment is not that high. And I think the reward for both is very, very high. I have never written one of those in my life. No, I haven't done that probably since like graduation when I think like you get

graduation gifts and you're like write a bunch of thank you notes. But I think, Dan, I get, if you took 15 minutes a week and just wrote a handful of thank you notes you're saying that your social reputation would go through the roof through the roof like so Kyle porter um we played a we played a round of golf last year at the open actually um at ely uh together and it was one of those like special you know Scotland we teed off at like nine o'clock i think it was Wednesday of the open and his sun was setting we finished in the like it was just a great day and it was a great day and then i like kind of forgot about it i forgot about it but it's just you know we're lucky we have a lot of great days. Like it was, it was really fun. And then in the mail, like two weeks later, I got a

handwritten thank you note from, or not thank you note even. I got a handwritten note from Kyle Porter telling me how much fun he had, how much he respects like me as a person and like what I, what I'm doing. Come on. And like Kyle Porter is just like in my head now. I mean, I haven't even like, I didn't, I never tweeted this or anything because it was just like one thing to another, but we're talking about it naturally now is like the classiest guy of all time. And it took, you know, it probably took him like, Not that long, but it was just such a nice thing to do. Yeah. Don't sleep on the handwritten note.

Unfortunately, I wish we might have to, I hope that all the people that I now write these thank you notes too aren't listening to this podcast. We just did that. That's not. Oh, right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. See right through you.

My handwriting stinks. I don't think I could ever do it. My handwriting is so bad that it's like, they'd be like, why did this kindergartener send me a note? And so it would take all of the magic out of it. uh, um, Trent. So we really, really got a good chuckle at Trent's card.

I'm sure. He didn't, he didn't even, right? Like love or like from. He literally on the bottom just wrote Trent. It was one of the best. It was one of the best cards that we got. It was just, it was just,

all it said was just Trent on, on the bottom. One of those moments where people feel like it's their time to write something like nice and sweet. I go the other way. You just go like, this is who this is who this is from and I was there and I had a good time. This is a guy.

The Reds gave me a fucking hell of a card. It was like, it was a Hogwarts card that said like your journey awaits or your journey begins. And you opened it up in all these different ways, almost like the, what is it, like the Marauders map in, in Harry Potter where like each little area that you opened up had another

inscription. It was fucking wild. I don't know where the hell you got that thing. I was texting with Frankie on Sunday. And I was like, dude i legit it was like hard for me to part ways with that car it was had to go by the most impressive card i'd ever see it really just hit all it hit every single base as you know it was it was a cool card it's a very cool car oh and the last thing i'll say is we did it at beth page and i was just telling

you guys this before the show we we were at beth page black and we had like two to three hours in between which is a weird thing for people out of state i feel like a very long island wedding thing to do is like you have the church reception early in the day on the weekend because they have mass at like four and five o'clock. You can't really get it close to the actual venue time. But then everyone will go home, get change, wind down, get the kids to their whatever, because the kids usually come to their kids to their grandmother's house. You have like a three, four hour window where you can like get ready for the night. So I feel like when, when Dave was texting me about it being like, am I reading this right, that there's like four hours or five hours in between? I was like,

yeah, it's bizarre for people coming from out of town. It trips us up a bit. You're not staying in a hotel. Like Tommy smokes and Rudy were coming from the city. It's like, It's a lot. They didn't have like a place to go, but I heard you guys all got it squared away. He went to the bar. It actually ends up making it a whole day thing. Totally. It was nice because we got like, we, you know, we spoke about it a little bit, but it's like

seeing Tommy and Rudy and Kevin and Rob Bobby Fox. And like we all just went and had a drink together for two or three hours. Actually, really nice. So we get there to Beth Page. We do all of our photos. We're like in the little rooms. We're having drinks. I was finally let to drink.

I was put on a drink limit because of what I did in my engagement party. I got carried out of my engagement party. for me it was impossible to get drunk at the wedding because of adrenaline like no matter how much you drank yeah no we definitely started to get drunk at the end but the beginning it was like i had like my own boys like watching me like your wife like put this limit on you we just got to watch you um and uh so we get there early and beth page black is notorious for like six hour rounds it's fucking packed they got tea times every 12 minutes whatever it is and they never stop it's a factory of public golf people fly in from all around the world to play this place we get there around 4.30, like to the first tee, five o'clock time, not a single person on the first tee at the Bethpage Black. All of a sudden, we walk down there and we're like, let's just go do photos on the first tee. Usually do it on like the putting green. Usually you'll do it like by the green course because they kind of looks like the black. I'm like, I'm going up to the first tee. This is the fucking right. This is my golf court. This is the Ryder Cup. This is, this is, PJ Championship. This is a US Open. Tiger

Woods. The whole deal. Brooks. Are you kidding me? This is my, this is my, this is my baby. So we go up there and I'm like, does anyone have a driver? And the bridal attendant, this lady, this angel, this angel Janet goes, I think one of the guys in the office is a golfer. So she runs back and I shit you not. She pulls out a lefty stealth driver from this office. This guy, Dominic, who we had worked with when we were setting up the wedding, is a big golfer. We had talked golf like every time we went there to pick out the menu and all this stuff. And I never knew in a million years that he was a left.

I never knew in a million years. He was a tailor-made guy. And all of a sudden, she comes out because I'm thinking, like, she called it like a big bertha at one point. And I'm like, oh, it's going to be tough. Like my wedding day, I'm not going to be able to. She comes out. She goes, is this the one?

She thought, like, the big bertha because she's like an older lady. She thought the big bertha was just like the name of the draw of all driver. So she's like, she comes up to me. She's like, here, is this one good enough? I'm like, it's a lefty still. It's a lefty fucking stealth. We can't get you lefty equipment where places that we go. Like, we can't find the shit anywhere.

I'm on the T-box and they're like, all right, take a photo. We didn't know what to do with Hannah, so she's like doing like the four sign. We had no idea what to do. She's like standing there. And everyone's like, you have to hit the fairway. And my first swing ever with a ring on, which is weird because I'm a lefty. The ring is on the left finger. Your finger is literally on the ring.

So I'm standing there complaining. Everyone's like booing me. They're like stop complaining. And now I've got like the tight suit with the suspenders. I'm like this, I'm going to miss this golf ball. There's a lot of, that was probably the most pressure I've ever had on a first tee in my entire life. Has to be. Yeah.

And I just swung a smooth. as slow as I can and I just hit the left side of the fairway with a perfect look to make a birdie on the first hole. I mean, I'm telling you, I had 135 yards looking into the first hole because I was on that nice left side, perfect angle into the first green. Oh, my God. Just a really great moment. You got a wedge in there, buddy. Yeah. I wanted to finish a hole so bad. But yeah, just just a really weird like someone looking down a new experience that Noam was out there. Like there's no tea times at 4.30 at the Bethpage Black.

Like my buddy just played last week and he teed off at 605. How was there not a single person on the first tee at Bethpage Black on a Saturday in July? It's a, it's a really good omen for a great marriage. We have a, we have a concept in Judaism. I don't know if it's a thing like in called Kismet where it's like basically like everything is aligned. Like the cosmic sort of things just just were right. You said there was supposed to be thunder. storms that day, there were no thunderstorms. You said that, you know, you're on Bethpage Black.

There was no one there. You don't have a driver. A lefty stealth comes out. Stunning. You haven't warmed up or anything. You hit the left side of the fairway. Like, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, funny to say that because we woke up a Jewish couple. I have a little story about this. We, are you Jewish now? Yeah, because in our hotel room, we woke up to, well, when we got back to the hotel that night, there was a bottle of champagne and chocolate cover strawberries and it says congratulate or said mazeltov greenbergs it said is what it said on it so they brought it to the wrong they brought it to the wrong table they brought to the wrong room a lot of ways we we woke up a jewish couple which i did not know what happens when you get married but it just it just did

i think that oh my god dude cover as many gates to heaven as you can possibly cover brother we if you don't think me and like her whole family like they were calling us to greenbergs all weekend it's been it's been like It's a forever joke now that we just woke up a Jewish couple. Yeah, no, we're covering all our bases. We're living now. The gates of heaven just opened up way, way wider. That's what I'm saying. You had like just, just the percentages are getting higher.

If you die and it turns out that like the Jewish God was the right one, you're like, we're perfect. Well, the funniest part is the Greenberg. We don't really leave in heaven, but we'll let it slide. The real Greenberg's got a Borelli, uh, Pirelli's, uh, sign. And they're like, what the hell will happen here? They thought they were getting whacked. We're lucky they didn't wake up with a horse in their freaking in their, uh, doing a fire alarm in my building right now. You got a fire alarm going on?

That's the opposite of Kismet. That's the opposite of Kismet. You guys go on. I think it's just like five minutes. I think it's a fire drill. I will say, the most impressive thing that I saw with the swing was the clothes you were wearing. Those clothes are tight. Tight.

Dress clothes in general are just tight. And if I had to swing in my dress clothes, I think I would be naked by the end of it. Like, it would all just rip off of me like the hole. like it would yeah no that was I was impressed by that whole ordeal and the pictures were insane I'll have to take the uh I'll have to take the ring off when I go off it I don't know how any lefty would ever be able to play golf with a ring on it's well I think physically impossible yeah well even for me I take it off I feel like most guys like take it off or get one of those silicone ones you know I see a lot of the rubber ones yeah yeah the black like the black ones that go

around. But I feel like at that point, then, then that's too much work to be switching. So then at that point, you're just, that's just your wedding ring is that black one. And I like having, I like the ring. Like, I like having the nice ring on my finger. You do like it. Because I, it's, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the woman's is far more important than the males. Because the, the, the woman says, yeah, big diamond in it. A guys, I feel like they kind of throw them around. They kind of go through the, the, the wash. They do whatever. I don't know. I'm getting, I'm getting, like, I'm getting, like, I'm liking, I'm likeing jewelry. I'm about to get another tattoo like i'm like liking you got to get out of there you got to get out of there i really do need to

get out of you are you move you are moving at some point no yeah we're moving um it's it's looking probably sooner than than then you know we initially hoped emma's job situation is still kind of up in the air so um man i'm so ready to get out of here it's crazy coming back from columbia i said to the boys i was like you know because you're you're leaving a foreign country and like a super debauchous weekend and you're like oh i was like i'm not i'm stressed about going back to new york scary's coming back to this city just stresses me the fuck out you're not going out to like a farm with a huge pasture you're going into the or even like uh yeah or even like a house on long island where i can like go outside like the lack of outdoor space is really starting to kill me like we have a

nice we have a nice apartment it's a really nice apartment like i'm very lucky all that stuff i look at my 65 pound dog on the couch just staring out the window all day. And it's 98 degrees outside. So I kind of don't want to go outside, but I want to go outside for a second. And it smells like ass. And I've been here for so long and there's construction all around the street. I can't go to any good restaurants because they're all fucking booked months in advance. And it's like, what, what am I doing? Yeah. I got to get out of here. And I think it's fun when you're when you're, when you're young, when you're living with your buddies, but like, obviously I'm past that point in my life now, and the city has zero appeal for me, zero point zero.

Yeah. Yeah. Having space definitely is just like what life is all about. Everyone just tries to acquire more space. For not for generations. For thousands of years, the rich people wanted space. Yep. That's all you want.

Like, and I've, and I'm getting fucking old now at this point. Obviously, getting married and shit. But like, I enjoy having the backyard and like, we have like, landscapers, planting like tomorrow and like I've been enjoying picking out like what all that stuff's going to be because I'm going to go outside and enjoy actual nature like looking at flowers and plants. It's so fucking stupid. But like you, you, when I was in the city with my buddies, like you're in a shoebox. You're looking at white walls.

You're looking at concrete buildings. And yeah, that's like appealing and fun for like a Tommy smokes who's like one with the city right now. He's running around. He's in West Village. He's living life. He's with friends. He's getting girls.

He's all that stuff. Like that's amazing. but at some point you just need to be able to walk into your backyard and be like and like breathe air you need to be able to breathe there no matter where you are no matter what it looks like you need to be able to breathe yeah and it's it's especially now it's like july in the city which is just the worst time and so it's so like the heat just stays it's it's for me it's like it's the like sunday morning i just woke up maybe a little hungover but not even really like a hungover situation like you just want to i just want to have like a pair

of sweats on and like open the door and like have my dog walk like walk like walk outside yeah like i have to i have to put the fucking harness on him and then like he doesn't walk very well because we got him when he's five years old and he's like a street dog uh sorry buddy i didn't mean that i didn't mean that personally but he can he can hear he's he's a he's a absolute prince but and it's just like having to like be really cognizant of holding him tight it's just i'm it's just way too much work rigs for the last five minutes I don't know if you can hear us. I've just been shitting on New York City and talking about how much I can't wait to get out.

He can't still can't hear us. But yeah, so that's a long-winded answer of saying yes, we're moving. Really looking forward to it. Yeah. All right. I know you're out there. You like to play golf. You're listening to this podcast.

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Hello, everyone. Oh, you're back. Can you guys hear that alarm? Yeah. Unfortunately, yes. So it's a test. I obviously didn't read the emails and they're just doing a test, but that doesn't really help me because of that. That's chaos. Damn, that's loud. That's got to be loud. You're definitely going to be alerted if there's a fire. You're not going to be. It works.

Like, you should be a larger of the situation. But you guys can speak and I'm going to listen. And then it's going to be hard for me not to talk because I have a lot to say about this. But hopefully this just ends soon. Dan, why don't you, Dan, why don't you set the stage and give your thoughts on what happened?

Yeah. Riggs, I don't want to debate. I'm a little too. tired. But I will say that I thought your rant was obviously very good. Like it was, it was great content. I disagree with, with a thesis. We'll get to that in a second. Yeah, I mean, the Senate here yesterday, I don't think that the hearing itself really taught us that much. It was more of the documents that came out like while the hearing was happening that I thought

was really enlightening, you know, showing all of these, these communications, how this deal really came to be. And, you know, my biggest takeaway, um, it was, first of all, I was wait, was too premature for this to even happen. Like Ron Johnson said on this podcast, they just don't know what's going to happen. It also means nothing without Yasser. Like he, he needs to be there. Like, because he is the most important person in the future of this company. And they can ask the PJ tour execs about, you know, who's going to have control on the board and the PJ tour are going to say what the PJ tour are going to say. But without Yasser there saying, yeah, that's actually true. And especially with all these reports that he's kind of parading around Liv saying, this is my baby,

you know, I'm in control. Like we need to see the four of those people or three people, like those two guys who are at the hearing and Yasser. Like there needs to be all of them answering the tough questions because CNBC was not, there was a softball segment as we saw in the documents that came out. So without Yasser there, I just felt like it didn't really have any. teeth. I did think that the communications were very, very interesting. There's obviously a lot of proposals. I've made videos of this about the tiger and Rory, which is never going to happen. These are just proposals. The biggest takeaway for me was that we think that a show like succession is like a joke where it's like a deal of this magnitude can't possibly be just two guys

texting each other and being like, sorry, like I was on the phone. You'd think that it's like going and through all these official channels and they're writing all these emails. And it's literally Jimmy Dunn having Yassir saved in his phone as yes sir, golf, Y-E-S-I-R golf. texting being like, hey, you free for a call? And Yasser's like, yeah, I'm free now. And then Jimmy Dunn responds like four hours later

being like, sorry, I was playing golf. Like it's just two guys who are just talking to each other. Yeah, my final arm finally went off, which is nice. See, yeah, I mean, obviously, we were going to talk a lot about it. But to me, like, that stuff was how everybody communicates and how everybody talks and how everybody discusses things and how everybody, like, reaches out to other people. So I thought, like, I thought sort of the opposite and that, like, all that stuff that

people were kind of going crazy about and, like, Rory and Tiger and they're going to play in 10 events. Like, dude, that's how you negotiate. You lead with fucking everything. You want the world. You want the moon. You want the stars. You want an Augustine national membership.

If you're going to negotiate and you're going to lead with like, this is what we want, you lead with the most aggressive thing you can imagine. And then you settle with like something okay. It's like if we're negotiating like a contract with parcel, it's like, I want $100 million a year. And I want a private jet to every single time that I go to work. And they're like, how about we'll give you 50K a year and we'll like cover your lunch once a week. And you're like, great, I'll take it. That's how negotiating is.

So it's like, everyone's going crazy over that shit. I was like, none of that stuff's real. Like that stuff's completely meaningless. Who cares about any of that? I love it. It's great to see because the reason I love it is because you never get to see those negotiations, really. Like when those happen for a contractor, they happen in a, you know, these companies, huge companies are making deals with each other all over the place. But you rarely see it fleshed out in the public.

And it's actually very entertaining to see what did they think would be the moonshot. Like what if they could have everything they wanted, what would it be? I find that to be incredibly entertaining. Yeah, it was, it was sort of like, um, Oh my God. I just had a Tiger Woods moment. You blanked. Completely forgot what I was going to say.

That's all right. Yeah. I was talking about how it's great to see moonshats. Try to trigger Dan's brain. Let's try to trigger Dan's brain. Oh, got it. I got it.

It was sort of like Jewish ceremony. It was sort of like watching like an incredibly well research documentary about about what's happening like in real like in real time. You know what I'm saying? Whereas like it would be like if somehow, you know, know, two years down the road, Netflix opened up the, they did all this reporting and, and you got to see, like, how it happened. And you were just reading it while it, it was, it's, it's really, I, you know, people don't have time to go through 250 pages of golf documents

like I do. But I would encourage people to read it because, yeah, like you're saying, just from a, it's a unique real time look into, because it's the negotiation is ongoing. I mean, it's very much ongoing. It's like, it's like one of the biggest deals in, definitely in sports history. And it's, unfolding right there's no secrets like it's in full unfolding right in front of our eyes right uh so i obviously put out my kind of synopsis i was on toronto radio this morning at 530 a m my time uh going over it for like a half hour little cnbc so i've been talking about this stuff a lot which i enjoy this stuff i kind of that's when i was telling you guys like i'm going to interview senator johnson by myself because i just love this shit it's fun it's a mix of like two worlds that i love

to follow. My basic synopsis was like, I get that it's premature, which it is, right? The only thing that they've said, the only thing that they've said is that we have agreed to try to agree. That's like what, that's literally what they've come up with at this point. And the reason that they did that and they rushed everything out hastily was to drop all the lawsuits. The Liv lawsuits were bleeding the PGA tour dry. They're spending tens of millions, hundreds of millions of dollars just on legal fees and lawsuits that they can't sustain. And then the other thing is that lives peeling off player after player. Even like they said yesterday, if it's five players a year, you know, we get four or five years down

the road. We've lost our players. Like we just don't have a product. We've lost all of our tour. So we were in a position where if we had an opportunity to cut a deal, that's going to allow us to continue as the PJ tour, continue to raise money for charity, continue to hold our events, continue to have power. We had to take that deal and do that.

And the issue with that is obviously the Saudi control, the Saudi invalty. the Saudi involvement, everybody gets that, and the fact that Saudi Arabia is bad. We've talked so much about that on this show, their history, human rights violations, atrocities, and all of that stuff has happened very, very recently. That's not like that happened 100 years ago. That happens all the time recently. So allowing them to come in, sports washing, whatever you might believe their intentions are, and have such a powerful seat at the table is concerning.

It's concerning for the fact that they're not necessarily historically great people, intentions that are going to uphold the same things in our society and our culture that we like to uphold so we need to be incredibly concerned about that which was largely the point of senator blumenthal uh whereas senator johnson kind of had the point of like this is a free enterprise free society in terms of capitalism you're allowed to do a deal with other people you're allowed to come up with that deal on your own without the government being involved and what's just wait until they actually come up with the deal and and then we can actually break it all down which is is kind of at the end of the day, what's going to happen and what probably should happen.

And they are a little bit unfortunate in the situation, the PGA tour and the PIF because they're having to try to come up with negotiations in an incredibly public forum, which is very difficult. The public is judging every move that the tour makes and the moves that the Saudis make when in reality they should probably be in like private rooms, hash it out and then present a deal to everyone, which is a very fair point. thought as well. Yeah. It's going to impact the it's going to impact the way you negotiate when you know that everything, the

entire public is going to see it. Like that's, it's not, it's not a normal negotiation. So I think that's a really good point. Riggs, I did disagree a little bit with, you know, you were, you were saying that like this is happening more or less because the PGA tour like was arrogant. I think this is happening in every sport. I don't think that this, you know, they're picking up off soccer players. Obviously, the PJ tour is a little bit of a unique situation because they're like overtaking sort of the league. But I don't think that just, you know, just because the tour had like kind of a restrictive media policy is why this is happening. For me, it's like this is a unprecedented dynamic that we have a sovereign wealth fund that has decided that sports is what they want to get into and they're not profit really motivated.

Like this is not a normal like, oh, this business was not doing well. so another business came in and did it better. And that's one of the things that Jimmy Dunn said, which I thought was really interesting. He's like, it's not like Live is like a better product than the PGA tour. We're just dealing with this dynamic where it's like you're, you know,

playing against someone who's like a different set of rules. You know what I mean? Like they're not bound by the same business constraints that every other league or every other business entity. You know, yeah, they're talking about like, you know, could you get alternative sources? as a funding from other places.

It's like, yeah, we probably could, but like, would they want to do that? Are they willing to just pour billions of dollars into it right away? There's never been an investor in sports like this, and we're seeing it in soccer, and we're seeing it. They're about to take over tennis. I've talked about this a lot on this show. Tennis is right for the taking. It's the same situation where the only four events that anyone really cares about

are not run by the ATP tour. And the players, Nick Kiroos was like, sign me the fuck up. Like, it's going to happen in all these different sports. And I just don't think that it's like a PGA tour specific problem. I think golf,

because there's no owners that could vote no, because obviously the kind of weird nonprofit stuff was constricting the tour a little bit. And yes, definitely some mismanagement. But I don't think that the primary reason that the PGA tour is facing this threat is because of like their own doing, if that makes sense.

I don't think it's, So I don't think it's the primary reason they're facing the threat. I think it's the primary reason that the threat was able to become unbelievably successful. I think that the tour, and when I say they acted incredibly arrogantly for 25 years, and I got a ton of messages from incredibly influential media figures, tournament chairs, everyone that deals with the PJ Tour and has dealt with the PJTor for 10, 20, 30, 40 years. By the way, I agree with you on this point. Like, I agree with you.

J.A Tour had a golden ticket for 25 years. That golden ticket was Tiger Woods, and that allowed them to say, we have the biggest athlete, the most popular athlete on planet Earth. You will play by our rules. Otherwise, you will not be able to cover it. Or if you want to pour money into golf, this is the only way to do it. This is the PGA Tour, and this is what you're going to do. You're going to play by our rules.

If you, the tournament, want to continue to hold a tournament, you want to have this sponsor in PGA Tour, this is going to be. or this is going to be your date. This is when you're going to do it. And this is what your purse is going to be. And people for years and years and years were not allowed to in any way create flexibility, growth, be creative in the media front, in running tournament front. If you even look at when Tiger and Phil did the match in 2018,

why the fuck did they play for a random number of $9 million and not the $10 million or $15 million that they wanted? It's because the PGA door said, fuck you guys. If you guys want this waiver to be able to broadcast you guys playing golf on TV, you cannot play for the same number that we play in the FedEx Cup. That stuff, imagine to get to that point, how much just all those conversations piss off Tigers team, piss off Phil's team, piss off everybody, and that for years and years and years and years

is how the tour operated in every realm. It's not just with media. It's not just that they wouldn't let us film videos or put stuff out. They pissed off all the media. They pissed off everyone. So then Yasser comes along with $600 billion. He clearly sees that there is some. dissent among players. He talked to Phil. He talks to these different players. He talks

to different entities and media. He talks to different people that run tournaments. And they were able to basically find, in a very easy way, a way to utilize that leverage to, yes, every sport, I understand, is seeing threats. But to get a seat at the table that is as powerful as the one that they've gotten, in my opinion, and in many people's opinion, the tour, if they had operated with more foresight and not more rearview mirror, being like, like, well, now we're in this position, what can we do? We had no choice. If they would have operated, in my opinion, and again, in a lot of people's opinion, in a way that had more foresight, didn't think that they were completely invincible, didn't act arrogantly, where they believed they were the only top dog.

No one was ever going to come along and no one could ever penetrate them. They wouldn't have had to give up as much as they're giving up. They would not have had to embarrass the fuck out of themselves and invoke 9-11 families and then have to turn around and sit on TV on CNBC with the same guys that they said are harassed. and are potentially involved in or responsible for 9-11. They wouldn't have had to do all those things that made Jay Monaghan become the least popular person on planet Earth. And so my point is not that they're the only entity facing this threat or that there was a way for them to avoid facing this threat.

The Saudis were coming. They were going to get involved. There's been tournaments over there for years and years. But I think that they got completely outmaneuvered for a lot of reasons. And I think that's the main reason to a point where Yasser, I'll remind you said is now going to be the most powerful person in the world of golf that is an insane concession and very different than new casso united having one team like that's not the same as dominating all of soccer but i don't think that i don't think that the reason that they are

only you know going after that they're only a part of the existing ecosystem in soccer versus taking over i don't think that's because the premier league is better managed than the pGA tour it's it's like Golf is a unique. There's only 200 players. There's no, there's no ownership groups. They have this weird structure. It's like a very unique. And I guess, yeah, I guess, I mean, I guess you could say that it's your point, like they could have changed that structure and they could have been more like lean on their feet from a business sense. But I just don't think that the arrogance, which I don't, I don't disagree on that point at all. I think that, you know, when you're the only show in town, you can do whatever you want. And there's no, the, the motivation to innovate is

extremely low and there's no pressure on you. But it's like, I just don't think that it's, I just don't think that it's, I think it kind of comes down to the, to the, at the end of the day, they had all this fucking money that they wanted to pump in. So the error was, was in this initial response to the Saudis. I don't think that the error is like a 20 year thing. But I think that initial response comes from arrogant organization that believes it's impenetrable that a year ago, a little over a year ago at the players championship, where Jay Monahan

was taking a victory. about how they defeated and thwarted this threat and how incorrect and arrogant was that. That is arrogance that led to a point where they said no, they didn't go to the negotiating table in any way. I think that everyone now knows and when things come out more and more will realize that the tour had an opportunity at the beginning of all of this to give up much, much, much less that the Saudis would have been happy with, I think, at the time. And instead, because of the way I think that was like systemic over 10 or 20 years that they operated,

believing that they were untouchable, led to them having to now sit in front of the Senate and essentially say, poor us, we had no choice. What were we supposed to do? That's why we're giving all of golf to the Saudis. And I think that it's going to become clear through history, through as more and more things get revealed, that, yes, they could have operated in a way where the Saudis are going to be involved in golf. There's no doubt about that.

You've got all that money. You're going to be. But not to give up as much control as they're going to have to give up. That guy's going to be the most powerful person in the world. of golf overnight, basically. So you think that had they initiated conversations earlier, that Yasser, who's asking for everything, and you think he's only doing this because they spurned him in the beginning? No, not spurned.

I think he's the way that the whole thing has gone down, he has been able to create much, much, much, much more leverage than he had a year and a half ago. And when you have that much more leverage, now the tour agrees to come to a deal, you're able to get much more out of that deal than he would have gotten a year and a half ago where they could have forwarded an existential threat, come up with some sort of deal, some sort of agreement. And if you look at what Liv has outlined, they said by 2024 that they thought like they would get to this point. They were a year early on that. And so like they're ahead of schedule by the way that they had structured things out and laid things out as to their basically take over partnership

of the tour, whatever it might be. And I think that reason is again, because the tour made calls years ago, a year ago, that are going to pan out to be the wrong call because if you were going to do a deal, I think they had way more leverage than what they said they had yesterday. Whereas if this deal doesn't go through, the things that they were saying yesterday were that were the complete opposite of everything that they have said publicly for the last year. Literally the complete opposite. They have sat there for the last year and said, live golf is not a real thing. It's not a real threat. It's a flash pan. It's going to go away. And then yesterday they cried in front of the Senate and said, this is going to literally lead to us seizing to exist if we don't stop it. Yeah. No, that's that is a great point.

You're making, you know, a lot of very good points. What I'll say is it's, it's, it's, it's difficult because I talk to a lot of people at the PGA tour. You know what I mean? Like I, in my role, I have relationships there. And, you know, this is something that has been a huge part of my career in my life for the last two years. And I don't think that the individual people that I've dealt with necessarily were lying. But in the end of the day, it's extremely hard for me to believe anything they say. And because like you said, it's the complete, 100. We had a meeting with PGAA tour officials. Ron Price wasn't there, but a bunch of the other big wigs were. And this was at the memorial right before. And they were saying, we're looking for our schedule next year. You know, we're not,

concerned with live like the PJ tour's never been in like a better place and you know our partners are super happy we're we're super stoked with the trajectory of the tour and behind closed doors it is it's like the the house of cards is coming down so I it's a good point on on on that front yeah and look I think like there what what the other thing is this might not be doomsday like this there's a chance that right this could be fucking great right like Newcastle if you look at Newcastle there was enormous pushback a couple years ago with basically the same thing that's happening now, right, except on the scale of a Premier League team, Newcastle United, all their fans of like, we cannot let the Saudis take over our team. They ended up owning 80% of it.

Newcastle went from the threat of relegation to I think they finished like fourth last year in the table. They're in the Champions League this year and they're buying players. Yeah. Hundreds of millions on buying players and like the fans have come around and there's been, I believe, a few hiccups where like they came out with kits that were the colors, I think of like the Saudi Arabian flag. Like they had some issues that like they were not people weren't thrilled with. But at the end of the day, it's like not been a bad thing. And we said over the last year that like even when we talk about live, we said, you know, if you get if you get one or two or three degrees of separation involved in live past MBS,

you're probably going to get to someone in the golf world that like wants to create a really cool golf tour. Right. Like wants to do the right stuff. And there's a chance with all this is what Jimmy done and Price were trying to say yesterday was like, in theory we could be coming to a deal where everyone is still loving and wants to promote golf and drive it and make it larger and they have great social initiatives to get more people into golf and they want to drive more events they want to raise more money for charity and they're going to have billions more to do it because these guys are coming in and that that could be a great thing but

there's always that caveat of like but like tauti arabia is running all fucking right right it's it's a It's a deep cynicism that the entire public has that is probably rooted in like, you know, there's probably, you know, there's racial undertones for sure where it's like these people. And I'm not saying that what they have done in the past, but there's this sort of assumption that, you know, this guy, Yasser, who by all accounts was not a part of, was not even in the picture with 9-11. He was, you know, he was working at a bank. It's actually Yasser's story is wild. If you guys like, to dive into a little bit, the guy was a good profile that we should

share there's like a i don't know if the atlantic did or something but i read it like a month or two ago and it is like this guy's he came from basically like nothing yeah i mean he's like not like a poor family he was running a bay yeah and and now he's like the most powerful man in sports and and people just think that there's no possible way that this guy could actually want to do what he says he wants to do there's no way that when he goes on cnbc and says these things that he's telling the truth i've spoken to jimmy done a few times throughout this throughout this process and what he has said to me is like, and this is what he said, you know, in Congress yesterday, is like, there's no one who's closer to 9-11 than I am.

If I had one tread of belief that these people are the people that the quote-unquote the media is making them out to be, then I wouldn't make this deal. And I've had, and I've had this conversation with live guys before. I remember I was talking to Matt Wolfe in Portland. And he was like, you know, you read about the Saudis and this. and that and it's like, I'm not denying that there are government, like the government and it's all, but this deal is like with Yasser and other business associates who you talk to them and like, they're just people. Like they're just, they're just, they're just people. There seems to be

this assumption that because of where they're from and because of like their association, and I understand the assumption is that they're they're scheming behind closed doors and there's like really, really nefarious. But you're right, it is possible. We don't know. And I could be naive, but it is possible. Jimmy Dunn, the PJ Tour seemed to think that, like, there is a chance that they're actually, and Newcastle being an example, like, they're actually, it might not be doomsday.

This is going to work, by the way. This, it's going to work. I think it's going to work. It's, of course it's going to work. It's all going to work. There's too much money involved. There's too many powerful people involved. There's too many smart people involved.

well, basically what you got to do is wait for the public to get bored and annoyed and they don't want to like the outrage machine will run its course. And then you're there's more money in all these events. That's all that's going to happen. Which is sports washer. Right? Like that's simple. Yeah. But like, that's just what it's going to have.

Blow over and then we're just like considered normal and not that bad. And, you know, the last thing I'll say on that to like try to at least not let all the negative go in vain is that like the CIA can call. included that MBS directly ordered the dismemberment and murder of Jamal Khashoggi. He's a Wall Street Journal journalist or Washington Post Journal. And this guy, Yasser Al-Amayan, is his right-hand man. Like that, this is his guy. And so, like, that is cannot be lost in that, yes, I think there is a really good chance that, like, he wants to do right for golf.

And he wants the Saudis involvement in golf to bring a bunch of capital and money. and have it grow and flourish and have them be known. It's like they're really good in this culture and all that. But like from an ethical and a moral standpoint, I, you know, I don't think we can lose sight of the fact that like this is the right hand man of the guy that ordered that a couple years ago, like five years ago that happened. And so that's just like when Brandl and Amon draw that up a lot, like they don't want people to forget. Like that that's a key element to the whole thing that like these are bad people.

And so there's just a lot of elements to play. If the question is, if the question is take everything. everything out of it. Take what a how don't you're going to be like, take all of that out of it. Is it going to be better for golf? Yes. Should be. Right. Right. That's it. I have a, I have a pizza meeting as crazy as that sounds. I have a meeting about pizza. I know we're talking about incredibly important stuff. And I know the, I know the listeners. I've been listening to this.

You guys have, yeah, you guys have broken this down perfectly. I don't think anyone wanted to hear me take my fucking spewing bullshit takes on this because you guys are just, that was a very good conversation. I do have a very important meeting about pizza with Dave Port. that I have to go to. I'm not saying it's more important than this. I'm saying that it's something that I have to go attend. So, okay. Congratulations, Mary, Frankie. Go do your piece of meeting. Oh, do it. And we're, uh, we're pretty much done here anyways, I think. Okay. Thank you. Well, I just, I want to, I want to, I want to, I want that last, you know, I don't want that last monologue to make it sound like, but do you understand, do you understand what I'm saying of, of, of, of, of,

yes, what you're saying is true with the CIA and like, but it's not as black and white as that. And just because you're doing like a business deal with someone doesn't mean that, you know, you guys, it sounds simplistic to say, but it doesn't mean you see the world the same way. You know what I'm saying? I know exactly what you mean. And what you said, it makes all the sense in the world. And could people look at that and be like, oh, you're just denying. I'm washed. I'm washed.

Right. And I get it. But again, and I'm on that side as well, too. I'm like, fuck, it sucks at this like this, the washing is going to work because the thing that's true. is the outrage machine is going to run out of fuel. And everybody's going to forget about it. And they're just going to be like, I got to go, I got to go to work. I got to pay my bills.

I can't every day be on Twitter talking about the human rights issues with all this. And it's just, and that's what they're dependent on. And I get that. But like the fact of the matter is is that these guys, they're, the Saudi Arabia is in the sport now. They're not going anywhere. However, the Senate and the Congress, however it hammers out, it's all going to end with. These guys are involved.

And there's going to be more money in the sport. and that's it. It's even bigger than that. It's not just this sport. It's like they're the, if we want to get really like big, it's like the, let's get really big. Yeah, like the white man's like grip on like sport or like the Western countries is just like kind of not as strong as it was. We're seeing it in soccer and it's like there's this. Oh my God, I can't believe this. It's like, well, it's happening. And there's this disbelief that it couldn't, it couldn't possibly happen. And there's got to be, you know, if there's enough public backlash or a strong enough, and it comes back to what we were saying earlier, it's that, or not earlier, but when this deal happened, it's just

like in the end of the day, and it's, it's simplistic and it sucks, but money rules all. And right now, the money has shifted, shifted, they have, and this was a point that I think Ron Johnson made really well. He was like, they, they have the one thing that everyone in the world needs. And so it was eventually the power was going to shift their way. That's true. We have we have chosen as a globe that our point system is money and they've got like the most money. And so they're they've got the most points. They're leading the game. And they've got the thing that you can actually is that simple. They've got pretty simple that everyone needs any business, AI, this, that it's all run on energy. It powers the entire world. It's like it's not just the oil industry. It's every other industry that we haven't found a way to power. without that. Dude, it's funny. Like the PGA tour last year in their big announcement to raise purses and we're seeing how much guys are making this year. I believe it was like a $153 million injection of capital like for this year for raising purses and the FedEx Cup and the Piff and the

pit money and all that. A Ramco, which our guy Yasser is also the chairman of that, I think, did a 161 billion dollars in profits last year. So 153 million that the tour came up with last year. A Ramco alone, which is one of like, I don't know, 230 things that he does. A ramco alone did 161 billion dollars in profits last year. A record for a publicly listed company. When they were talking about the whole PGA, it was crazy how small the PGA tour sounded. I know. Two point, they're like, oh, we have 2.1 billion. They have 700 billion. It's like, what? We think of the PGA tour as this like massive behemoth. And then the PIF powers the fucking world.

Yeah. Dude, but it's, it's also interesting, right? Like, Tiger Woods himself has almost as many assets as the PGA tour, right? Like, they were like, eh, PGA tour, let's call it a billion in a quarter in assets that it has. Tiger Woods has got over a billion dollars. So it's like, it's interesting in that four of the top 10 highest earning athletes ever

are golfers. So it's like they, on their personal brand and personal level, they are massive and influential. And they do deals with the biggest companies and they're in the biggest commercials. and they're all over our world, but the actual entity of the PGA tour isn't that big. But the PGA tour, people mistake the PGA tour for meaning professional golf. It's not,

it's not professional golf because they don't own the freaking majors. So like if you were to combine all the majors and the Ryder Cup, then what does that number become? Obviously, it's not 600 or 700 billion, but I think this has, it's been kind of characterized as like the entire sport of golf is being taken over.

And like, yes, but the PGA tour doesn't hold the five most valuable assets in the sport. I mean, I guess you could say they don't own Tiger Woods, right? Like he doesn't work for the PGA tour. They don't own any of the majors and they don't own the Ryder Cup. So it's really like, yes, it is a big deal. But when you really think about like what exactly do they own, they have these tournaments that have like a very long,

proud history and they have a lot of TPC golf courses and they have like a good media deal. But it's still like only. a percentage and not even 80% or 90% of the value of professional golf. I like the Dan's take is basically that like Yasser got screwed. That was like a bad deal. He's like he's like he's looking at it now. He made a horrible deal. He could have got Augusta.

He could have the USDA door. He got the little sister. He got the scraps. It is such a strange sport that the main league has nothing to do really. with the biggest events. It's crazy that tennis is the same way. The exact same way. To the point where like,

dude, during majors, right, during the master's like, we see everybody tweets at us like, why is that PGA tour like not have this on TV? You're like, they're two totally different entities.

We've had that, we've had that struggle with our own social people being like, wait, so is the PGA, the championship on the PJ Tour? We're like, there are different governing bodies. And I understand how that's confusing.

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so my my standing theory is that Yasser is such a genius that he was like Greg Norman's the perfect guy. He's going to be this bambastic, hated guy. And then the minute that they, exactly, they come to me and they sit down in a room with me, they're going to be like, wow, this guy is great. Like this guy is good cop, back cop. Exactly.

And they're like, fuck yeah. We'll do anything this Yasser guy wants because he's so much better than Greg Norman. And so Norman probably made several hundred million dollars. And now he's just going to run on the beach with this giant, you know, snake that he's got in there. And it, that's, that He ain't going to go down that easy. He ain't going to go down. I thought he was going to rush the hill. I thought he would show up at the hearings. He from all, I don't, I don't know Greg personally at all, but from all, from all, you know, everything you hear about the guy.

He's very, he's a very proud man. Yeah. And, and he feels like he didn't. Confident. He feels, he feels like he didn't get a fair shake. You know, he was number one in the world. He only won, you know, two majors when he probably should have won a bunch more. There's like a chip on his shoulder.

and I think he kind of feels like this thing, he finally was getting the kind of the spot and the appreciation that he deserved and he's a visionary. And history will look back. It'll be very interesting to see how Norman is portrayed in this because at the end of the day, yeah, but it's a little bit different though

because at the end of the day, Norman, he's a big reason why Liv got off the ground, but Liv isn't like really the reason why this is happening. And so it's like, I think on the end of the day, he was sort of just a piece. He's a pawn. Yeah, he's a pawn that they just, when it came time to actually move forward with this, they just tossed them aside. It looks like.

I agree with that. How common is a disparagement clause in general contracts? They were saying almost every deal. And then Blumenthal was like, well, this isn't every deal. But almost every deal, I think, right? Briggs, you would know this more than me. that part to me was getting overblown and I think like Jimmy Dunn or somebody one of the two of them wrote it or said it perfectly they were like yeah any when any two big entities come together and decide to negotiate it's pretty common to be like hey while we're doing this let's not talk badly about the other one publicly and they're like great that's like that's what I was wondering I figured it was way more common than people were reporting because it seemed because on paper it's like oh well here you go you're getting fucked here totally you can't talk shit about it but yeah I hear what you're saying and I get that like that they were hard put on that and that's something that we've talked about a lot on this show of like if right if they if all the if if now because jimmy dunn and

ron ron pricer in a room and now all the sudden uh calomorakawa if the saudi's decide to murder a journalist can't say anything negative about him for the rest of his life like that's crazy like how did he get screwed into that so i that's kind of the how that was getting painted a little bit i think what they said is like this is a short-term clause that's like only the umbrella is only over it while we're doing these negotiations. And if that ends up in the final provision for final contract, it will not get approved most likely by the PGA toward board. So that was getting,

it would be a major story if that ended up being the non-disparagement in the final contract. But in terms of during negotiations, from my understanding, that's pretty fucking normal for them to happen. It is, it is interesting to keep an eye on though, because that is the case on live. Like,

they're not allowed. they're not allowed to like talk negatively. I don't know what would happen if they did. I don't think that they would like, you know what I mean? Because there's too, maybe they would. I mean,

you know what? They probably would because the Khashoggi thing, again, it's this is, I can't believe we're talking about this on a golf podcast. But it's like, I wonder if that's going to, yeah,

I think if the PJ tour keeps control like they say they, they are. And again, we talked about this rigs. I thought that whole thing yesterday was completely useless without Yasser. Like if you don't have Yasser there to answer these questions, then like, what are we doing here? If they can keep control, then that, then that won't be the case.

And I think that that's what they're trying to say is like, we've, we've made a deal where we can have the good parts of which is the money and we can mitigate the bad parts. There's obviously going to still be, you're going to have things in Saudi Arabia. It's going to be, but it's, but it's not a situation where it's live, right? It's not like, okay, live one. And so now it's a live world and everything's going to look like live. They're saying, and again, we don't know, we don't know if this is the case without yasser it's got to play out but they're saying this world's going to look like the pGA tour with a lot more money in it not going to look like live and this kind of like dystopian thing where they're you know always talking about how great the kingdom is right

that's kind of the way i understand it too and that's why the tour did the deal of like we can we can preserve the pGA tour yeah we'll give them some power and a seat at the table and like we'll have more money and it could be good so that's kind of where i think we're at i think it'll be months before now really learn more outside of stuff leaking about communications and stuff. But in terms of the actual framework and the deal, I think it'll be months and months and months before we learn more. And yeah, that's kind of where we're at with the whole thing. I like the hearings. I thought they were great. I thought it was so wild to see. And Dan, you kind of tweeted that it's like for most of us that are just not exposed to like the political theater that goes on all the time.

It was like when a certain senator would get the mic and you'd be like, he's just doing his stuff. speech into the hearing with like what is this guy talking about you're like okay that is bad stuff but like we're it was like it was like watching clay Travis on Twitter like trying to demand someone yeah you know like with the with the weger mussel uh the wegers in in china and again I want to say that I think people who listen to the show know that like I'm not like I'm not saying that this stuff is okay it's just the ridiculousness of being like will you will you conduct a tournament in Russia will you conduct a tournament in China it's like what are we what are we talking about here those guys don't care either that don't they're passing off like they care about the things that they're saying but they're like i want people to see that people think that i care yeah big way right this is like i want this to be known on my platform that like i went up against chinese enslavement of these fuck that is what i would and it's like dude what are you we're talking about fucking golf like what do you and and when they're like i cannot believe we're using time and it's like you don't have you have 24 hours

in a day. Dude, you can't multitask and talk about this right now and the fact that the Saudis might be taking control of some of our major institutions in America. And then in 10 minutes, talk about the Uighur situation and you're not capable of that. You can only do it. Like, what are you talking about? So it's like, that whole part was driving me crazy. Senator Holly from Missouri, I apologize to all from Missouri, from Missouri. When he went up there, he's a classic, he's a kid, he came to class. He googled a quote. He was ready to just drop that quote. He's all fired up for it. He had the poster board and everything. And the tour just doesn't go there.

It hasn't gone there since 2019. He was like, you're telling me, I'm reading this quote. You're telling me you have a 20 year deal. They're like, nope, that like ended. And we're not. We haven't been there in four years. And he was like, all right, come back to me. That was the only time that Ron Price.

That was the only time that Ron Price, who I thought was like very, very calm throughout the whole thing. I thought he did like a good job of keeping his emotions and check. That was the only time where you could see him on his face. he was a little bit like, shut the fuck up. Like, what are you, what's, what are you talking about? He kept hammering it like, you're, you're not playing in China. He's like, we are not playing in China.

We have not since 2019. And he's like, this quote says that you're playing. It's like, I, like, we don't play in China. And he's like, are you going to play in Russia? Like, what the fuck are you talking about? Like, geez. So, so, so yeah, that was that was, that was you have to. You really have to view it as theater.

Like, I know that there's a lot. There's a lot at stake and there really is. But there's also like, just look at it like theater and you will feel better a little bit. The presentation itself, you've got, you've got all these lights on this table with two empty chairs, right, waiting for these guys to come in and sit down. You've got all of the people in the suits behind them. And then you've got the senators physically elevated, right? On a on a platform or like a lectern or whatever, a table that like wraps around. So you're basically surrounded.

It's literally talking down to people. It's literally talking down. Yeah, it's straight out of Shakespeare. And they can interrupt you whenever they want and they can say whatever they want to you and they can put you on the spot. It's just it's not how it's not how people in real life like communicate ideas or anything. It's just, you're right. It's theater. It's like its own fucking show.

You know what? The biggest thing that I wish I was around for in real time were the Watergate hearings. Like I was watching, I was watching back. There's a great like four part documentary on Watergate. I think it's on HBO Max. And they do such a good job of like building up to the hearings and how for like a year or like the Watergate was nothing. Nobody cared during the election. And then it kind of like started to become a little bit like wait, what happened there?

What did they do? And then all of a sudden like John Dean going out there and reading his testimony being like this is what happened, this would happen. And people being like, wait, what the fuck did he say? And then they pull out the guy that had installed the tape recorders. And they're like, and people don't even know who this guy is. And they're like, okay, I're bringing out this guy and they ask him a question. And like, were you instructed by the president at any point to install listening devices? And he pauses and is like, yes.

And the whole country's like, what? Yeah, dude. What did that guy say? Yeah, dude. The hearings were off the chart. So that type of stuff when it delivers is awesome. And it is because of that theater. you're right like the senators are literally talking down to these people and from their like from

their podium basically it's it's fucking nuts that we do it that way but it is great television yeah it is yeah i'm worried i'm a little worried do you guys think that i people are going to think that i'm like i i'm not making i'm not making excuses for anything i'm just presenting that side that's like maybe maybe it's not as bad as maybe it's not the worst possible outcome maybe it's not though Maybe it's not. Maybe their motivations aren't the worst possible, like, version of what they say they are. No, I think you made it clear when you were. I think it was clear to me.

So. I agree. I think that's right. I think that's right. I think that's probably the most likely outcome, too. But I think that, like, they're- But the internet just skews your brain, dude. It skews your brain so much.

It does. It does. Yeah. I mean, look, I think their dream is to, like, be influential, have this go great with golf, have Newcastle, win the Champions League. and like still be able to like murder people for whatever reason that they want. I think that's like their dream. Definitely.

I think that's honestly their dream. Yeah. And and the good news in that is like I do think their intentions with like golf, they want golf to do well. The bad news with that is that like we're, are we kind of giving them a pass on just continuing or the fact that they've done bad stuff and that's just well. Kind of the crux of the issue for everyone.

Hopefully this deal is hopefully this deal and and stuff moving forward like there's a middle ground. You know, we come full. circle you talked about you go into negotiation and you want everything they want to be able to to you know be loved and they want to be able to kill everybody and it's like okay right we'll take the loved parts and we're going to we're going to do enough so that we don't just like give a pass to like the killing everybody part and like hopefully right like hopefully this all in their involvement in western culture is helping them like evolve their approach to yeah you know what I'm saying like

And they're not engaged and just let it go. That's right. That'd be great. And so, right. So we don't know how it's going to play out. I think that's kind of the main takeaway. That's sort of our breakdown of the whole thing. And yeah, it'll be great theater going forward as it was.

The hearing, whenever it is that has Yasser, Maughan, and Norman in it, hopefully, would be. I mean, that's, get your popcorn. We were missing, we were missing, you know, Damon Pitt and Affleck. Like, with all due respect. Everyone. We were missing everyone. I mean, we needed the heavy hit. We needed the leading man.

It was like there was a strike and we basically had like replacement reps. It's kind of what we had. It was like, all right. Who the fuck are these guys? One guy saying touchdown. One guy saying incomplete. That's kind of what we got yesterday. But it was still pretty good.

So when we get the main players back, when we figure out those contracts and get them out there, it's going to be nice. All right. We got two big interviews. We got Seppstraka and we got Allison Corbus, who's just won the biggest women's tournament there's probably ever been so two rate interviews we'll be back next week and it's major championship week british open baby we got the scottish this week uh so yeah golf red hot right now hit it hard hit hard hit hard we have an exclusive ticketing partner here at barcel sports and they

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I'm still trying to figure it out. I don't really know. I do more not play before majors, but I've done both. I've played better when I haven't played before. So maybe leading towards that, especially that would be nice to get over there. is situated since it's such a long way away.

Yeah, we're here with Seth Strock. I just won the John Deere Classic. I've, you know, I got to, I got to say, I think for our friend Trent on this show, you won about the biggest tournament that you could possibly win. Well, it is a huge tournament in general, but also it's a huge tournament for me.

I'm from that area. It's a big deal in that area. In some circles, it's referred to as the fifth major. So in some circles, you are considered a major winner now. But that's a big, The John Deere Classic is just a, it's a big time tournament, and congratulations to you on winning it. Oh, thanks, sir.

Yeah. I consider myself a major winner now. Yep. Yeah, I think you're a major champion. We talked about this. It's just, it's just so strange. Let's just be honest, seeing that flag next to your name and hearing the way that you speak, I mean, you're, I don't think there's ever been a situation like it in World Golf where, like,

you are of a very, very, very good chance to make the European Rider Cup team. And you sound like you're from Birmingham, Alabama. Do you feel Austrian? Are you, are you hanging out with the potential European teammates? Like, where's your heart at in this? Yeah, I mean, it's tough because I do sound like I am from the south. But I never had an accent. You know, I grew up over there.

I lived there to us 14. Austria is part of who I am. Wow. Yeah, I played all of my goals for Austria. And so I definitely feel 100% Austrian. And it just doesn't quite come across that way when I speak in English. 14, yeah. Like that surprises me.

I would have thought that you moved over here to Alabama when you were like three and that it wasn't necessarily that big. But when you're 14, I'm sure, with how good of a player you are and were at that time, like you just said, you're probably playing in some international events or at least representing kind of Austria and Europe. You've done that before. Yeah, for sure. I mean, I played the European boys team championships,

the European amateur championships for Austria, the Olympics. So pretty much all my golf has been played for Austria. We're so, we're so dumb. It's like, it's like, yeah. You just learn that, Dan? He's like, yeah, I've done everything for Austria. We're like, oh, but you're accent.

He's like, yeah, I mean, I played the European championships. We're like, can you speak English a little bit? less well so that my brain is a little bit less confused. I'm in one of our last videos we were playing out in California and I was like, man, this place looks like Austria-Hungary and like no one caught that I just combined the two countries. And then one of the commenters was like, Frankie just low-key reference a very strong, strategic military alliance during the world wars. He's actually way smarter than we all know. Oh, boy. So yeah, I mean, Rider Cup.

Is there, you know, I know there's been for the last handful of years, it feels like more initiatives in all team events to kind of have dinners, group chats, whatever it is. What's kind of your communication been like thus far with sort of the go-toes on the European Rider Cup team? Yeah, we've had dinners. Sorry, they had the Hero Cop earlier in January, which wasn't, you know, all the top prospects for the Rider Cup, but a bunch of guys played, a bunch of guys that will be on the Rider

Cup and yeah I've had some communications with Luke and yeah I feel like I'm pretty close to those guys I think you did a good I think you lobbied pretty hard for yourself this last weekend I you know so the it was it was interesting the I was flipping between the U.S. Women's Open John Deer Classic and you know you've got a bit of a leaderboard it's kind of jumbled and I turned on TV and you were just up by five shots like for it so for you what did it feel I know I think even Colt said at one point like on the back nine, uh, Brennan Todd came up walked by him and was like,

what the hell's going on in front of me? So from your vantage point sort of, did you just kind of like black out? Like how, how would you, how are you able to just in the final round run away, basically? Um, yeah,

pretty much, pretty much blacked out, uh, for most of the rounds. Um, it was, yeah, I was played some good golf going in those two days,

uh, before I played really nice, uh, just to make the cut on the Friday and then played a nice round. again on Saturday. And yeah, I was playing good, and I got off to a hot star. I started Birdie Eagle, put myself kind of in the mix early. But, you know, on that golf course, I mean, there's birdies on every all.

So you just, when you're an hour in front of the last group, you just have no clue. You just need to keep the pedal down, just to keep making birdie. So I just kind of had the mindset of I'm not really leading this tournament because all those guys have however many holes left to play to catch up to me. So, yeah, just try to keep the pedal down and make as many birdies as I could. Does 59 ever enter your mind or are you just, I'm playing, I'm trying to make birdies? Whatever he says, it definitely, come on, it definitely enters your mind. You never know, he blacked out.

No, it definitely entered my mind. When I birdied 12 and then 13, it really popped in my mind. I was like, well, there's a few tougher holes coming to a stretch, but there's a lot of birdies out there. So you got 16, 17, even 18. If you hit two quality shots, you can give yourself a look. and yeah, I definitely knew I had a chance. And I just, I didn't alter my game plan to try to shoot that. I was still just trying to win the golf tournament.

If it weren't for leaderboards telling you exactly how many under you were for the day, would you have known that you were 11 under through 13 and 14 holes or whatever it was? Yeah, I did the mass a couple times. Yeah. I had to add them up. I was wondering. That's a good feeling. If you're out there, right, you make it Bernie.

Like 11's not the, you know. Like you're like, how many under, 11 under? But, but yeah, it was, it was, it was wild to watch. And like it said, felt like they went to one commercial break, come back. Bang, you've got a big lead. Is it something we had, so we had Allison Corbus on and she was talking about how down the stretch she was trying to at Pebble on Sunday. She's trying to act like she was chasing the whole time because we've seen it a million times. We watch golf of like when you, when somebody grabs the lead, it's really hard to hold on.

to and they start to wobble versus when somebody's an hour ahead. Like you said, you kind of can just freewheel whatever that mindset is. Then all of a sudden you're in the lead. Was it, was it tricky? Were you trying to play mind games with yourself? With being like, even though I'm four or five ahead, like I need to act like I'm chasing still? Yeah, for sure. It's probably a little harder to do at Pebble. I think she probably did a better job. Just because, you know, John Deere, you had those guys got an hour and a half to play. They can make three or four birdies like, like it's nothing. So, yeah, definitely some mind games of, look, these guys could go real off three in a row and that it's, you know, I'm one back. So definitely play a little bit of mind games of just try to post a number and got to make sure I'm ahead of these guys pretty comfortably to have a chance.

Golf is obviously the strangest sport in the world because you got a guy like yourself who's so hot, so hot. And we see it so often on the golf course, they're, you know, 11 under through 13 or they're 9 under through 12 and then they kind of hit a wall. You know, you had the situation where you make the double on 18. Was it just a really, was it a poor swing in a poor moment? Or was it sort of, you think nerves coming in the back? Because you were so lights out for the whole day. And then, you know, arguably one of the most important shots of the whole week, you know, that happens. How do you explain that sort of shift?

Is it just one bad shot? Or do you think that something got into your head or into your process? Definitely. I think it's just one bad shot. You know, the nerves were there from the fourth hole on when I realized that. From that on, you're pretty much playing with nerves. And I feel like I handled them pretty well that day because I stayed in the process, stayed, you know, kind of in the moment.

And even on that one, you know, we didn't do anything differently before the shot. Talked through it just like we would. Pick the target. I swung out of the target and I just pulled it. And went off the right. It's not great for me. I draw the ball a good bit. And so once it got started, but all it was, it was gone.

So you're one of the few left. I feel like there's not many on tour that. Yeah. You guys have like a like a group chat of like, hey, they're trying to they're trying to eliminate us, but we can still hit draws. Yeah. Me Kirk and Lucas Glover,

we tell you know, hang together. We're the last three. I think that's to draw with the driver's. Yeah. I mean, all they, all they do is talk about, you know, how you guys are dying breed. you usually go to the cut like you know you got to you got to band together yeah no we just got we got to try to figure out how to revive this this thing because i really love a draw you got to have a presence on that competitions committee and get those left pins just left pin after left pin you can't they did a good job of it on sunday i'll tell you there was a lot of left pins a lot of back left pins for me

i got to do a better job but looking at the when they've released those pins and seeing left pens and being like all right that group chat of those guys that draw the ball i'm going to go to the barceles sports book and hammer those guys this week. Yeah, they go. We, so we spoke a lot on Tuesday show about how it was a, it was a cool win for us because you're very much in the orbit of one of our favorite circles, kind of out on tour, Tillery, you had Dewey on the bag. Duy's not your regular caddy out there. What happened with Dewey? Because I texted him, he said he got a, you know, he said he basically got a hit up six days ago. And next thing he knows he's winning, he's on the bag for a winner, kind of how'd that come about? Uh, yeah. So I've known Dewey for a while. for Tiz, obviously.

He's a great guy. He's awesome caddy. A great guy to have on the bag. And because is conveniently for me taking a little break. And so I figured I'd try to take Dewey for a little while. So, yeah, it worked out pretty nicely. What kind of presence was he when you guys were kind of lighting it up? I feel like he, I was trying to watch him in the background because, you know, he's one of our guys.

It seemed like he was enjoying it as much as anybody. Yeah, he was awesome. I mean, he's so good. He, you know, when we were three over on Thursday, he was the exact same as he was on Sunday on that 17th, 18th coming down the stretch, you know, nothing changed, just process-oriented and just kept the face. And yeah, he was awesome. Very cool.

He's the best. What's, uh, Riggs mentioned Tilly. I've been working with Tilly for the last couple of years. I love that guy. One of my favorite people in the world. Um, what's something that you guys been working on? How's that relationship been? Like, talk to me about what, what's, what he's been working on with Tillery?

It's been great. He's really, he's been awesome for my game. Just kind of introducing a lot more structure to my practice. We got into a routine about three months ago of just going to the gym before the round and working on my my tendencies basically and then just leaving all that, you know, in the gym and maybe the first few minutes of practice. But other than that, just when I get out there, I'm just playing golf. And I think that's good for me because I can't play with a swing thought, save my life. And, yeah, it's been awesome. It's been great having him. And I think that process has really worked. He also convinced me to buy a track man, which I've been playing some short games and some combines and stuff. So, yeah, been good. You think that that practice, improved practice, part of the reason you're kind of

breaking through at this age. Like, you know, some guys do it right away. You know, it took a couple years for you. to kind of assert yourself on the PGA tour, but you're at a different level now. I think you're 27 in the world. How does that feel to hear that? How does it feel to be like legitimately like in the Rider Cup picture? You know, your golf is at a different level now than it was a couple years ago.

Yeah, it's pretty surreal. It's crazy because, you know, I'm, I guess I'm a bit of a late bloomer. I wasn't a great junior golfer. I was an okay amateur player in college. But I kept kind of improving a little bit every year. And I think Tilly, I'm that structured in my practice, has made me a lot more consistent. Just going out there working on my stuff every day. And it's just really helped me kind of be more consistent with my ball striking,

which has been huge for me. You mentioned Tilleri convinced you to buy a trackman. Have you confirmed or checked to make sure he's not salesman or getting kickbacks or anything from a trackman company? Okay. All right. I just want to make sure. As long as you're okay with that, confirm. He's probably pushing.

Cuscoilla merch on you too. Put this on. Just wear it. Just wear it. He like scans the trackman like they do at like Target to make sure that you were the person that sold it to them. Let me just see that real quick. It's just like when you check out to like promo code JT. Yeah.

Jay Tillary at the checkout. 25 grand, 20% that's pretty good. Okay. I'll tell you what. The practice thing rings so it rings true to me too because he tells me to practice. Now I don't practice as much as I should and I am not reaching the goals that I should be reaching. So it's good to hear, and I'm sure Tilleri is thrilled to hear that when his practice is put into practice, it ends up with success. So that's something I'm

going to take home with me too, because it really does work. Are you going to start practicing now or just I've been practicing more? That wasn't a yes. That wasn't a yes. Well, I think we would have liked I was a simple answer. It's, I've been practicing certainly more than I was in the past. And I've gotten much, much closer to trying to break 90, which is what I'm attempting to do. And Tillerie is a big, part of that. I've gotten much closer and I'm more consistently like in the mid to low 90s. So it does work. But I guarantee if I practice every single day, I would be so much better than I am. That's frustrating to hear because we just want you to do that. But the second thing is, do you think, do you think every day? Yeah. But do you think that like you, do you think you've fallen in love of practice yet, Trent? Because I feel like Seth probably found that with Tillery where it's like he found the way to love practicing.

I feel like everyone breaks through. Yeah. The millions of dollars probably helps too. Yeah. Well, I mean, we are in the golf world. Our work is golf. So it's like pretty damn similar, no? I mean, I don't know. Yeah, no.

We found that the worst I play, the better people, more people like it, actually. Yeah. Well, I'm just saying about the like, so actually taking the tillery stuff where it's like, he needs these guys to fall in love with the process. You keep saying process. You got to stick to the process. Do we stuck to the process. The process leading into the.

round. That makes a huge difference, all that stuff. Yeah, I'll tell you what. I hate practicing too. I hate hitting balls on the range more than anything. And we kind of found a thing where, you know, with that track, man, there's a bunch of games. And I love games, competition, playing golf, all of that. Yeah, I play 36 a day if I got a cart. But, but yeah, but yeah. Key caveat there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, cart. Make sure. But see, that's a good example. Although you found something within it to make you do it every Yeah, that is a good example. That is very good.

No, I have not fallen to answer your question. No, I have not fallen in a level. I've never liked homework. I've never liked studying. I've never like practice. I didn't like football practice when I played. I'd rather just go out there and do things. And it's, it doesn't end up working in the golf world, it turns out.

But you're getting better, you're playing better. I am getting better. No doubt about it. No doubt about it. Yep. Statistical improvement. I apologize for the nerdiness of this question. Why do you, why do you think that there's no drawers?

I mean, is the, the equipment's made it much? harder do you think that the way they people like teach with kind of like turn and and just use your body like why do you think because i'm sure if you looked at a range in on the pjutor in 1990s i don't know if it's 50 50 but it feels like it's it's so much swayed toward the cut now i know it's like what's what's your thought behind that i would think the equipment especially with a driver uh they're so low spin down it's hard to draw the ball consistently low spin you know you can uh start out left because a fade swing generally produces more swing. So if you, you know, hit a fade with a low spin driver and ball, it's going to go a little farther. So I think the equipment has definitely kind of eradicated our

time. Yeah. It's funny. I remember like DJ, right? Didn't DJ used to draw the ball forever? And then he pushed him to cut it. And then all of a sudden he became best player in the world for a long time. Yeah. I think it's, it's hard to do it consistently, especially with the low spin equipment nowadays. Have you tried cutting it at all? And you just like can't. see it, you can't do it. Have you experimented at all? Or you just kind of, because I would think that with everyone around you going the other way, there's probably a little bit of like, you can't help it, kind of have wandering eyes. It would be a pretty big change for me to do it consistently. I mean, I can't hit a cut.

It's usually kind of a low launch, nasty little slice, but. Skanker. Yeah. Yeah. We got, we got, oh, very. It's a group low on purpose. Hit that one on command, pal. You let me know. But yeah, I. it would be a big change for me at this point and I feel like I've got something going with the drawl so I'm sticking to it. This poor guy is going to be like in the back night at Hoy Lake just drawling the ball beautifully and he's to be like these fucking guys from four players.

All they talked about was cutting it and he's like, I'm just trying to play my game. It's like let me draw the golf ball. It is an interesting point because I feel like when I started getting into golf 15, 20 years ago of high school in the, yeah, I guess it was whatever, mid 2000s, late 2000s. it was like drawing the ball was you were the king. If you hit this cut, it was weak, loser, pathetic. And if you could draw the ball, you were like powerful, hitting it right. You were the man.

And so I feel like that's a good point, Dan, that at some point it seems to have shifted. So it's interesting to hear you say you think it's probably equipment or whatever. Yeah, definitely a lot of equipment. I think still drawing the ball is just prettier. You know, everybody wants to do it. Nobody can do it if you're an amateur. So I still think it's a,

It's a cooler shot, but yeah, the equipment makes it a lot easier to say that. I mentioned Hoy Lake. So your next start, you're going to get over there. You're going to get settled in. I believe last year was your first open, miscut. You know, now you're coming off a win. Like Dan said, you're up in the top 30 in the world. You're playing great golf.

What's sort of your approach this year going into a different style of golf? Link's golf. Do you watch, you know, when Rory won there, when Tiger won there? go in kind of blind? How do you get ready for next week? Yeah, I think last year was a little disappointing because I just didn't have my game. So I really couldn't even learn that much about Link's golf. I just wasn't hitting it very good.

And so I didn't really get a whole lot of experience on that. And I did get a little bit about shots around the greens, chipping, putting, all that is just completely different over there. So, yeah, definitely going to try to just play a lot of golf, hit a lot of shots on the golf course, and just kind of try to get a good feel of the golf course. What's your crew? You're bringing the fam. You go over there with kind of your tight circle. What's the crossing?

My wife's going to come and my parents will come. Yeah. So that'll be the crew there. We've got a house? Yeah, house right, just right by the golf course. It's awesome. Similar last year. Be able to walk to the golf course.

It's pretty sweet over there. How like in Liverpool is this place? Do you know, Dan? Has anybody been over there? I don't think it's really never been never been to Liverpool okay no idea these days maybe 20 minutes 30 minutes from because I know we were kind of talking about going because Liverpool the Beatles the whole deal like how cool of uh of you know the history and iconic city and all that and I just wasn't sure if it was like in the city or if it was pretty

close because it's I feel like I don't really remember that much from whenever Rory won there I mean Trottie's the guy trotties the uh he was trying to guess to go over there's Liverpool guy. Yeah, he was. Fuck, I know. I love the open, but for some reason, like, yeah, like you're saying, I don't know much about this golf course. I'm not like, it's not one of those names that's like sticking out to me where, like,

I have to get juiced for the open right now. Like, I have to start my juices now. They're not coming to me naturally. I remember about it. 18's the hard dog leg, right? You pretty much got to hit it over the OB to go for it, right? Yeah. Yeah.

That's like the only thing I remember from the whole thing. God, I remember Ricky and Rory and all. I remember Tiger hitting irons everywhere and holeing out with the four iron on the one par four. But outside of that, you're right, Frankie. I can't like picture the golf course. So I myself may have to do some work to get all hyped up. I'm with you guys as well. I think a lot of it is our travel schedule.

But I also feel like this is a take that I'm working on. And I want to hear SEP's thoughts on this. I kind of feel like the majors are too like close to. I just feel like there's no. It's so, so, so hectic that there's like never any time to breathe. And it feels like we just finished the U.S. Open. And it felt like we just finished the PGA after that. And it's like the golf season is really kind of in this part of the country in the Northeast,

like maybe halfway done, like kind of almost halfway done, maybe like a little before. And the golf major season is just over. And I understand why that is. But I don't know. There's something about this year especially. Maybe it's because of all the news cycle and everything that's been happening. But it just feels like it's been pretty taxing with all the designated events this year. like, I know they're going to spread them out, but what's, what's your read on, like, the rhythm of the

schedule? I think a lot of it is the hyping of the designated events, you know, people treating those as not majors, but secondary majors, I guess, just kind of elevating them. I think that's probably the main thing. That and also, you know, every single day there's a new thing coming out about this or that live, you know, all that stuff. So it's probably a lot of that because, I mean, it used to be even more jumbled up with the players being in May, which they've been. move that to March now and kind of spread it out a little bit. So I'm guessing it's probably a lot of just the designated events and the news cycle of golf is this.

Yeah, it just feels like there's so many huge events. There's more huge events than there used to be. I mean, I guess it's good. I don't know why we're complaining. They could probably spread them out a little bit more, but big events is getting all the top players in the world together is a good thing. Looked it up while we were talking about that. How about tennis?

The Australian Open is like January 7th it starts. Like now they're just doing Wimbledon. So that is very spread out. I like the way we've done it. I think steps right. Like I think it's just been like, we're watching Senate hearings. We got the officer and Jay up on CNBC. And then bang, it's like all of a sudden, Wyndham Clark and Roarier going out at the US Open.

And it's like, you know, it just kind of been hitting us nonstop. I think it's a good thing. I think so too. I think so too. Well, look, you know, we talk about the John Deere Classic a lot on this show. Do you get like a tractor or anything? Do they hook you up again? Gator. Yeah, they give me a gator.

So that's pretty sweet. Yeah, that's right. Best thing I try to hook for. Don't know what I do with the tractor or any of the big farm equipment. Can I tell you guys a secret? I have no, I have no clue what a gator is. It's like a massive souped up golf court. Yep.

Yeah. With her. They're like amphibious, right? Is that why they call them gators? They can like go through like small pond, small like streams and stuff, I feel like. Probably. I don't know. I'll try it out.

I'll let you know. Give it a go. What does it? What is the utility of such a vehicle? It's kind of like a little bed, almost like a truck in the back. So I guess it's kind of like a mini pickup truck. You just like rip it around. You rip it around the wilderness.

Yeah. It's got crazy suspension. You never seen a picture of those things? They're nuts. I don't, yeah, I'm not having a hard time picture. Do you have like a place to drive that around where you live? Like, can you make use of it? I'm in the need to try to figure out how to get a street legal.

That'll be the key. There you go. If I can't get a street legal, I might be in trouble. Those things are nice though That's a good prize Yeah they are sweet You'll find a good You'll find good use for that

Well look good Safe travels over Across the pond as they say I'm pumped we're getting You know I think we all kind of Got there together We're starting to get hyped up For British Open last major of the year

Your second win on tour Might see it might We might be enemies You know Depending on Rider Cup and all that But yeah Hopefully you make it on that team It'd be very funny for us to hear

Like the Southern accent American accent on the European Ryder Cup team. Obviously we don't have the mental capacity to get over how funny that would be. So good luck. Play well next week. And congratulations. What a round of golf you played.

Sounds good. Appreciate you guys. Just don't do any interviews in English that week. Yeah, I'll just only take Germany interviews. That's what you should do. That'll make it make sense to us. Yeah.

It's going to break people's brain. If you get out there and you like beat Justin Thomas in a match and they're doing an interview on the 18th green and you're sounding like this, America won't be able to process what's going on. That point, that's our point. All right. That's not good. That'll be good. Yeah, exactly. Well, congrats. Thanks for coming on. Thanks, guys. Appreciate it. Our next partner is Athletic Greens. I take AG1 by Athletic Greens literally every day. I gave AG1 a try. Basically, well, really, I was listening to a lot of different things. I was listening to a little bit of Rogan, and I can tell that he's way more into his health than I am.

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We've got the champion, the winner from the U.S. Women's Open at Pebble Beach, Allison Corpus. I was thinking about it, you know, two days. ago, you won was probably the biggest women's golf tournament ever. I mean, I had the biggest purse, prime time TV, so one of the bigger TV audiences of all time. Has it been for you, you know, first way coming through one of the bigger tournaments of all time, has it been kind of bizarre for you to process how big that's been? Yeah, I mean, my phone's been blowing up. I've never had that happen. Sure. Yeah, just, I mean, even right after the final pod drop, just kind of

felt like I was doing one thing after the other, left 30 minutes that first night, just running on adrenaline and just running around doing things. But I think it's starting to settle in. And yeah, it's just been really awesome. You mentioned your phone blowing up. I was checking again today. I saw former President Obama tweeted at you.

And even to this moment, that's the last tweet that he's put out. So in the last 48 hours, you know, the only thing that he was tweeted was congratulations to you. how cool was that? Yeah, it's sick. I mean, I've seen him from afar. I haven't willing got them super outclosed. But yeah, just no words. So you guys played golf or have played golf at the same, pretty much the same spot back in Hawaii? Yeah, so actually my parents live on the side of one of the holes at Coppellay, and that's apparently one of the spots that he comes to. I mean, I was saying earlier, Secret Service actually patted me down once, and then they had him, like,

way on the other side of the ring. And I think they, like, didn't accept tea times for, like, two hours before and after him. Like, it was just his group out on the course. And, yeah, like, I was just out there practicing that day. But, yeah, so I've seen him from afar, but haven't, yeah, have to talk to him or anything. How big was the Secret Service presence? Were there, like, a million Secret Service agents at the Corps? They were pretty low-key, but probably, like, four or five of them. And, yeah, just coming in and the big fans. And then it was really funny. They wave the metal detector on my golf guy. You're like, yeah, that's probably going to go off. Yeah. Yeah, we've been in a few instances where they were presidents or former presidents around.

And you're right. They're very good at being low key. So it makes you always wonder, like, who are you? Like, there's a guy next to you hitting balls in the range. Are you actually a secret service guy? Yeah, they have dressed in like normal clothes. No, it's quite tricky. So, um, so I, golf tournaments are so interesting to me, you know, when someone wins in the fashion that you did, it's such hyper focus that it requires. And especially the way that you play, they're talking about a lot during the coverage of controlling the pace that you move, that you walk, trying to, you know, that helps you stick with your routine and your consistency. And you're so hyper locked in that I imagine then when it's over, that's such a juxtaposition from the mindset that

you've been in for four days, probably longer, and all of a sudden it's just over, and now you get to set, is it hard to kind of come off of that almost? Yeah, I mean, I know I've seen a lot of like the Kong Cole collected stuff. I can guarantee you that's not how I felt on the inside, even if it seemed like that. And I think this was really the first tournament where there seemed like there was a lot of Hawaii people, Filipino Koreans, like coming out to support me, just walking down pairways hearing people saying my name. That was just so cool. And at the same time, you know, you acknowledge one of them. You kind of have to acknowledge all of them. So trying to, trying to stay focused and really, really stay locked in on the golf. But just a really cool

experience overall. And like you said, just just Pebble Beach being such, such an iconic venue and having so much coverage. I mean, it was, it was really special. Yeah, it's, uh, it gets even cooler as the viewer because the technology keeps getting better that every time they have you know the the if you go back and you watch tiger in 2000 it's very cool incredibly cool but even now with the drones and the super high-depth 4k cameras that they've got and that how that presents the coverage and how you know you're able to tee off on seven and they got a drone that flies over you guys it's it's it's probably pretty crazy in real time to try to block all that out even of not just the fans but the fact that's the fact that's it's it's probably pretty crazy in real time to try to block all that out even of of not just the fans but the that it's such hoopla around this event. Yeah, for sure. I mean, especially the final two days, just kind of had a camera, like, walking with us the whole day. That was new for me. Usually, they're a little further away. But I know it was really cool. I mean, I watched some of the coverage, like, on my hot hours. Yeah, just a really special week out at bubble. You mentioned earlier that you weren't as cool com collected on the inside as may have looked on

the outside. What were, for you, what was the biggest, what was the most stressful or the most, inner-turmoiled moment? I mean, it just, like, for me, I tend to play my best golf, probably a lot lower on the energy scale that most people do. Like, I probably need to be at, like, a four or five compared to maybe, like, a seven out of ten. So for me, it was really just like, oh, like, this is super exciting. Like, how do I get back down to the right level and get calm enough to hit the shots?

Just kind of had a few moments like that throughout the whole week. I know seven, such a short hole. but just so tough to get that number, especially once it gets windy. Just a few shots like that that were a little uncomfortable, I think, at moments where we're a little tough. It was interesting watching on seven because, you know, it's obviously a wedge, a hundred yard shot, probably playing less most of the week, but it felt like, and I'm curious,

what was sort of your target landing spot? Because it was taking a big bounce, despite the fact that you guys were hitting 100-yard shots or so. Yeah, so the second day I actually bounced it through the green and, or sorry, first day I bounced it to the green and made bogey. And so we were trying to be a little more aware of that the next three days. I mean, the wind kind of comes down and off your right. So going left, there's actually one picture from Saturday where it looks like I'm aiming out of the green and it's because I was. Just having the wind move of the left, which I thought was pretty funny.

But no, that final round just kind of took it out the flag. And yeah, just if the wind takes it, great. if not, then it's up the fly. What was your approach on playing the eighth hole? Because I thought the eighth hole, we spoke about it on our first podcast this week, but I thought watching, you know, you guys play the eighth hole was so fun for me because it was, you know, when the men play it for the most part, if they're 190 to 220 out nowadays with everything,

some of those guys are hitting seven irons or eight irons. And it felt like it was a little bit of a throwback. It was a little bit more old school. It was a little bit what I imagine when the, when Pebble was created, what everybody was hitting in, where there are a lot of long irons, hybrids, seven woods, five woods into that green, which is already an impossible shot if you have eight iron. So what was kind of your approach? What are some of the clubs you had in eight? Yeah, hit a five wood off a tee every single day. It left me back a little further than I would

have wanted to be, but we were always just worried that three would just takes a big bounce and goes through. I mean, everyone taught Jordan hit off that cliff. Oh, yeah. It doesn't look like a shot that I would want to recreate. But now, so I think I had three hybrids in and then a six iron the last day, just because the course just got a little firm or bounced it out a little further. There was one day that I maybe could have hit five wood into it, but going over that green is going to be a really tough recovery.

So we just said, you know, like play it to the front edge and just make up and down from there. Now, it's a really cool hole in person. I mean, I don't think Amher's do it justice. It's just, yeah, it's a lot smaller. winding area than it looks like on TV. Yeah, it definitely is. And if you, you know, we saw it throughout the entire week watching, like, if you miss right at all, you're probably in the drop zone hitting pretty much the same shot again, which is

not where you want to be. For sure, for sure. And then I was so impressed with the back nine on Sunday because, you know, it was a, it was tight, pretty tight with a handful of players. And then you're going into the back nine of, as iconic of a back nine as you could possibly have as big of a tournament as you could play in. I believe you, Birdie 10, par of the next three. There's some slow play drama that creeps in.

What happened with the slow play situation? Yeah, so honestly, I mean, that's just kind of how golf play sometimes. Like, you have a tough hole. I mean, 11, we both miss the green. We're both tipping, right? Like, you're just taking a little extra time, just get a little out of position. And, I mean, we ended up waiting on 16. So we obviously caught up.

But, I mean, just getting put on the clock is never comfortable. No. Just knowing. And then, yeah, and then 13, that second shot, I backed off once just because the win, it felt like it died for a second. So they told me that that was my one warning. And I would get penalized if it happened again. So, yeah, I think it was just really focusing on routines. And I kind of, like, joked with myself internally, like, hey, if you just make a bunch of birdies get far ahead, like, you get a stroke penalty.

so you'll still win. So now I was just just really focusing on trying to play good golf and keep doing the same thing because I know I'm not a slow player. It just happened to be that one shot that I took a little extra time. Well, it's incredibly relatable. We've all been there where you're waiting on nine holes in a row and then on the 10th hole, your group has you're looking for a golf ball or something. And then the Marshall happens to come around the corner right at that moment and sort of bitches at you.

And you're like, dude, we've been waiting all day. It just happened to happen to you on the back nine of the U.S. Oven. and so it's a little different. Yeah, I mean, I know the group in front of us in Gothen Warren and Godson Time. So we were kind of playing catch up as well because I know they sped up. I don't think we waited too much on the front, but we definitely had them kind of take off on us. So, yeah, not the most ideal situation, but definitely made the best of it. One thing you mentioned, I was watching a couple of your posts around interviews was that you, you know, you weren't, you're not really a leaderboard watcher.

You didn't really know what was going on. But I believe you said you accidentally caught a leaderboard at some. some point of the back nine? Yeah, I think I've always been more comfortable chasing. So, I mean, when I feel like I'm playing really well, I just try to look because I'm like, if I see myself at first, like, this might be bad. But now, I mean, I birdied 14, 15, and yeah, I think I accidentally saw the leaderboard on 14. And just, it was a really quick glance.

Like, I didn't know it was Charlie making the charge. I just kind of saw that. I think Noss at the time was at 6. so I was at eight and she was tied for a second. I did see that. So I was just kind of telling myself like, okay, there's at least two strokes and then birdied, birded 15, which, yeah, that was kind of in my head a bit. I was just like, okay, like you just have to get it home. So interesting to hear you say that because I feel like if every player that's ever led a tournament didn't know that they were leading the tournament, that the conversion percentage would be way higher

because we always see every time we go and somebody tease off with the lead or they find they catch the lead in the back nine they start to go from for for 63 holes they play great and then all of a sudden the wheels start to come off where it's like whenever somebody's chasing for whatever reason that mentality they're able to just kind of keep going going going yeah definitely i mean i think it's so much easier to be aggressive when you're like okay like you know i need i need to make up some ground and then you're kind of just like oh shoot like i have a one shot lead like i need to protect this like that's definitely something i I've done in the past trying not to do. I mean, Bogie's 17, but that was just a really tough greed to hit. Yeah. Yeah, it is funny. It's almost like if someone, if you have a 20-footer, you'll almost never three-putt. But if someone says you just need a two-putt, then that two-putt becomes way harder. Yeah, yeah, for sure.

What club do you have into 17? I hit a five iron. I just don't think six iron would have cleared the bunker, and we hope that it would hold the green and just on the bouncing fuel. Yeah. So the 18th, you know, you're there. You've got, I believe it was a three-shot lead at the time. You're standing up there on 18. I mean, we've seen Tiger Woods in 2000 when he won, hit one out of bounds.

You watch Anika hit one left into the ocean in her Friday round. So it can happen. Was there any consideration to hit an iron out there? Because you kind of stepped up and just roasted a piercing driver down the left side. Yeah. I mean, honestly, I'm not on the longer side of tour. players. So I wouldn't have reached, I would have reached the front edge of the right bunker, but anywhere from the center to like the back of it, I wouldn't if it had gone right. So no, I mean,

that drive looked good to me. I've been hitting the drive for good like all week. So just try not to change the game plan. I'd bogey 18 on Friday and Saturdays. I just really wanted a year before. At what point did you think like, okay, I got it? I think kind of the whole day just felt like a bit of an out-of-body experience. I mean, too, I had a putt, just it sat on the edge and fell in par. And that usually doesn't have to have to putter. No, and then I think the birdies at 14 and 15, that's when I was kind of just like, okay,

like you're in control of tournament. just, yeah, just keep playing the way that you could play. So, you know, financially, I believe that it's pretty much quadrupled your career earnings over $2 million for first place. I know that, you know, the game's not about money. You guys, you started a young age. I think you said you started playing at four or five years old, playing the game for 20 years. Obviously, you love it. Money matters in our society.

It allows a lot of things. It allows it. How big is it to collect a $2 million check? Has that hit home yet? Yeah, I mean, it's life-changing. It hasn't really hit yet, honestly, I think. You go into a week like the U.S. Open, and it's never really about the money at the end of the day, right? Like, I had a really good year last year, and, like, financially, I'm not struggling.

It's definitely a huge bonus. But I wasn't ever on the course thinking, like, oh, my God, I'm going to make $2 million. Now that it's happened, though, I've definitely been like, oh, my God, it's $2 million. but yeah no still just kind of trying to let that sit and and settle for a bit yeah it's cool I mean I SEP Straca this past week you know on the PJ tour I think he won 1.3 and you won two million dollars last week so I it's obviously much reserved it's such a big tournament the the first ever U.S. women's open at Pebble Beach so it's it's obviously well deserved and I when I saw that difference I was like hell yeah that's so awesome to go up against that kind of

pressure with all the all the highlights then and michelle we playing in her final on anica and everything going on and and for you to kind of come down the stretch and like i said birdie 10 30 14 and 15 with a little bit of drama with some officials and everything else um it was just incredibly gutsy down the stretch so i was very very impressed thank you yeah absolutely so last question is if we're going to go if somebody's going to go to honolulu and play a golf or scheduled trip, what are a couple key stops they got to make? Yeah, well, I mean, my parents are on Koppelake Golf Course. I grew up there. I grew up playing Hawaii Prince a lot.

If you're going for the views, I haven't been there, but Kani'oi Clipper, it's right along the ocean. If you can get access to Wilei, that's where they host the Sony Open. And then if you can get access to Midpack Country Club, that's another beautiful course as well. I grew up practicing at pro country club a lot. That's also a really, really beautiful course. And then if you want to make the trip to the North Shore, Turtle Bay has 36 holes out there.

Very cool. Very cool. Yeah, Hawaii golf is on our list. I think we want to do a trip in the next couple years and get out there to play. I don't know who doesn't want to go to Hawaii. So I think that'd be a pretty easy sell for our crew. Yeah, there's a tonic courses out there. Yeah, it looks awesome.

Congratulations. It was very cool to watch. Like I said, it's, it felt so momentous watching it for you to kind of take it. You know, I know Charlie Hall was charging and to just stay rock steady and get it done was very impressive. So congratulations. Thanks so much. Thank you.