Fore Play - “Hey Kuch, you gotta be David McLay-Kidd’ing me”

Episode Date: January 15, 2019

Matt Kuchar wins again amid swirling rumors he gypped a local caddie. We weigh in on all that, discuss Hosung Choi making his TOUR debut at Pebble next month, then are joined by renowned course architect David McLay-Kidd (49:04). DMK tells the stories behind building the original Bandon Dunes course as an inexperienced 27-year-old in the 1990s; then discusses the challenges behind designing the Castle Course at St. Andrews; he tells of the sentimentality behind building Machrihanish Dunes; he reveals his thoughts on Augusta National today; he shows his feelings towards rival architect Tom Doak. Truly, DMK is a fascinating guy who loves golf and has evolved dramatically as a course architect over the past two decades, recently building the highly-praised masterpiece that is Mammoth Dunes!You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

Hey, 4Play listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcast, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Hello, friends, big show we've got this week. We have David McLeigh Kid. He is a course architect. He built Bandin Dunes. He built Gamble Sands. He built the castle course at St. Andrews. He built the newest course at San Valley in Wisconsin called Mammoth Dunes.

He's a very interesting guy. He's a very funny guy. He absolutely is obsessed with golf. with course architecture. It's a little bit different. We don't get into this stuff that often. We've had Gil Hanson before. That was like over a year ago.

So we're throwing a little different angle at you. It's a fascinating chat. We talk for about an hour. I think you're going to love this. And on top of that, his accent is all time. All time Scottish accent. He's a Scottish guy. And again, he's a very interesting guy.

He's a funny guy. He just gets it. So I think you're going to enjoy that chat. We do about 40 minutes or so talking headlines with myself, with Frankie, with Trent Daddy. And then boom, you hear from David McLeague Kid. reminder that our presenting sponsor for the entire year is Supreme Golf. Supreme Golf is the best if you are ever looking to book T-T-Times, which it's getting going to be there before you know it.

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How are we feeling? I feel great. Yeah. How do you feel, Frankie? I feel good. I don't know. We have a different little scenario here, the way we're sitting.

I don't know if I really love it. Yeah, I don't love it either. So our little downstairs studio thing, They kind of took our comfortable chairs out. We're on these dog shit chairs right now. Kind of like moving around. Don't love it. These chairs do stick.

They're bad. But overall, I'm feeling pretty good. Yeah, you have a good weekend? We've got to talk golf in a long time. It's been a while. Well, we were off for like 10 days and people forget that our JT interview we had recorded before break. So we really went like almost 20 days without really talking about golf.

Yeah. Which is stunning. Like so many things have happened like outside of the golf world for me. I just feel like golf has just like it's been waiting to just like, I've just been waiting to just talk about the sport. Like I've been like in hockey mode and all this stuff. And then I, like, and then just in the side of my brain, I see the coacher and then I see like Hohong Choy. Like it's just waiting to come out.

Yeah. I look forward to Mondays. It feels like a bunch of one-offs. Yeah. Like they're just a bunch of one-off stories that we haven't really jumped into. So this show, we're going to jump into some of them. We have David McLeague kid for anybody who doesn't know. First of all, Frankie's got his alarm going off in the middle of the show.

Are you kidding? What could that alarm possibly before? Post-Pisa review to Instagram. Because you know what? One time I didn't and I never. wanted to do it again. So the loudest alarm in the history of the world goes off at 6 o'clock. I mean, it's 608.

You are? I know, it was a snooze. You snoozed. You snoozed it. I don't know if there's a put up Instagram. I put it up and then the alarm came on and I snooze because we were walking down here. I don't know if there's Game of Thrones fans that listen to show.

And that's another little piece of news that came out that the Game of Thrones Sunday and master's all are the same. But you think about this. They're going to finish at like 7 o'clock and at 9. So we're going to get finish. Green Jacket's ceremony. presser like all the bullshit afterwards and then it's just going to be like

we're just in Westrose. I want to say that I want to be fucking crazy. I want to say this I'm already nervous about the about the Masters going extra holes. Like that's as soon as I saw that that everyone was celebrating, you were celebrating my first thought was they are going to go to extra

holes and it's going to be down to the wire. It would have to be an unbelievable amount of extra holes though because like isn't Thrones at nine? Eight or nine? I can't remember. Eight would be a problem. Nine. Let's say Game of Thrones starts at eight. All right. Let's just for argument's sake, say that Game of Thrones starts at 8.

Is there any pairing that, like, you're able to be like, I'm done watching the Masters and I'm flipping on Game of Thrones? Like, is there like, let's say there's a pairing that's in a playoff for fucking 15 holes. It's like one of the greatest matches in the history of Augusta, but it's also like fucking Webb Simpson versus some no-name guy. Like, are you able to turn that off? Let me say this. If it's Webb Simpson against Patrick Reed, I'd probably turn it off. Because Patrick Reed already has one, so I don't really care if he wins another one. And Webb Simpson, we've already, I think I deemed him the most boring player on the BJ.

The person that comes to my head. He hits like a seven iron hybrid. I'm not watching that shit in the playoff in the Masters. But like, obviously, if it's Tiger Woods in the fucking 12 whole fucking playoffs. Yeah, you just devier it and then you can't, you can't look at your phone. Well, that's problematic. This is a thing. You want to tweet about Tiger.

You have to be tweeting about golf. And Game with Thrones is so crazy, Sansa could have her head chopped off in the first five seconds. Right. And totally. Like you just get it ruins. It's like, it's ruined. I don't want to watch this anymore. Fuck me.

This is precisely why I was filled with dread yesterday when they made that announcement and everybody else was like popping champagne bottles. Because it's such an unlikely. Trent, look at it in the positive. It's going to be an awesome day. You get masters all day long. You get to start watching coverage like their live stream when you wake up at like 11 o'clock in the morning. All the guys that are at the bottom of the leaderboard, they're playing leaders tee off at like 245, 3.

and then they play straight through through like 7, 715 and then next thing you know, like I said, press her, you get a couple blogs up, you're watching the reaction, you're watching our boy Brando on Golf Channel live from, he's breaking it down, and then all of a sudden you're just in fucking Westeros

and it's a, the whole world's coming and colliding. I'm with you. I'm with you. For the most likely it's going to be a monumental day, a joyous chance. Yes. Yes. But that small little part of me is like,

they're going to come head to head and we're all just going to be like, The fact we have worked the next day, that should be a fucking two-day holiday. I might call into the cousins that day. Like, coming off that high and just, like, coming back to work in real life. For the Master's Sunday or Game of Thrones or it's because there's both. The whole thing, like, you're going to be gearing up for that Sunday forever. Like, we're going to be gearing up for that Sunday from right now until it happened.

Correct. The fact that it's just, like, going to happen and go away and then, like, we just have to come back from that high. How crazy is it that Master's Sunday is now, like, a reachable thing that we're talking about? Yep. Like, we're in the part of the year where we're, we're, We're beginning to build up to Masters Sunday. It's a good feeling. That tournament used to be just way off in the distance.

That thing was, oh, that's like eight months away. It's not a real thing. Now we're building up to the Masters. What I was about to say, by way, is we have David McLeod kit on this show. Who? Oh, yeah, we went off a tangent. Yeah, a little tangent. Who is a world-renowned course architect.

He built Bandin Dunes, the original Band of Dunes course. For anybody who doesn't know, that was in the late 90s. He was like 27 years old. he had not built any golf courses. He was unproven, completely unproven. And Mike Kaiser grabbed him, had him build Bandon Dunes after he convinced him. It's this crazy story. We get into course architecture.

It's not probably for everyone, but I do think when we had Gil Hanson, people love that conversation because hearing about it is so different. So everybody loved all of that. And they're going to love this. I think most people, almost everybody's probably going to love this. Again, we get into course architecture. We talk about what it takes to actually build a golf course, a golf hole. He built a course at St. Andrews.

That's part of the St. Andrews Trust in all their golf courses. He's from Scotland. He's a Scottish guy. His voice, his accent is one of the most soothing things I've ever heard. Scottish is right up there with maybe number one in terms of accent. This guy's accent, it's fantastic. He now lives in the band and area. I think he lives in North Bend.

He lives in the dunes. So he lives just right out in there. That's how much he loves it. He mentions like a couple. He just kept randomly dropping. Like, so I was in the bar abandoned. Like, he's just, that's where, like, half of his knowledge and stories come from from the bar. I wonder how good of an architect he would be in that video game that, like, you just have to the golf club.

Would he just, like, hop on the sticks and just create a fucking fantasy world? Really good question. Man, ah, you got to think so, right? He can build a real golf course, but he can't, like, build a fake one. That is just like, this is like an unrealistic. way to build a golf course. Like, I've done it literally in real life. Like, we're sitting there.

I'm sitting there like, oh, you can build a mound here. He's like, that's just not how you build mounds. Like, I build mounds. It would be like if you, like, had Tiger Woods playing Tiger Woods golf the video game? Like, would he be any good at it? That's not how my takeaway is. Yeah. Right.

He'd be like, that's not how you shape a shot. That's like, my point is like, that's his video game. Yeah. Like, that's his, like, they made a game for this guy to, like, just go out and, like, his profession is making golf courses. And now there's a video game where he can make a golf course in a video game. I wonder if he would love that. I bet he'd love it.

He could probably, like, do, like, that's a way he can, like, do design that he might do in the future. I may say, have some fun. Kickback. I feel like I stopped thinking about words there. What happened? I don't know. I just stopped. My brain stopped.

I tried to think of a Scottish whiskey off the top of my head. Couldn't do it. So I just said, nope, we're done with this. Locke Lohman. There you go. That was Colin Montgomery. There you go. That's what I could think of.

All I needed was that in my brain when I kept going. Remember, when we had Colin Montgomery on the show, he brought a bottle of Locke Lomond whiskey, which is the official whiskey of the British Open. And he opened it up, and we were doing shots of whiskey. We were doing, we were sipping whiskey while... We were gentlemen about it. Interviewing Collin Montgomery.

That's amazing. Which is a real thing that happened. So that was wild. Okay. So, regardless, David McLeague, kid, fantastic interview. Talked for about an hour. He's a talker.

He's got fascinating things to say. it's such a different look than we usually give you, hit you with Justin Thomas, we hit you with Kevin Chappell, and then we hit you with one of the more interesting and world-renowned course architects. He also talks a little bit about like Augusta and not in love with where Augusta's gone. He talks about one of his rivals, Tom Doak, in the course architecture game. So it's interesting. It's very fascinating. I think you all will enjoy it. So stay tuned.

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Second win of the wrap round season. He's 40 years old. He's kind of had a little bit of a comeback here. One by four. Kind of started like shit on Sunday, but then just got hot. He went 63, 63, 66, 66. 66.

Must be nice. ninth PGA Tour win All that stuff, great stuff. That wasn't even the main headline From Matt Coucher over the weekend. Golf Twitter was just a buzzing. Evocerating this guy. I think it actually started PGA Tour

Started tweeting out this clip of him in Hawaii Just shaking his hips. Something to the fact that I've never seen in my entire life. He was up, he had his hands above his head. He was at like a luau, I guess they call it. Yep. Oh, nice, Frankie. He was getting laid.

Yep. That's when he put the fly. flower necklace around you know what I'm saying it's called getting laid did you know that I know I know what a lay is but Frankie said it's the joke getting late when I when I when I so I that's the joke yeah that is the joke yeah that is the rigs has never been to Hawaii too I went to Hawaii uh never he's been to fucking Hawaii I've never been to Hawaii I've never been to Hawaii I went to Hawaii after my high school graduation and when you get off the plane they put layer on your neck and they say you just got laid boom you guys are acting like I've never

been to McDonald's because I haven't been to Hawaii I'm not saying you had to be in Hawaii but I feel like that's the joke for the record I I have been to Hawaii, but I was like 10 years old. I don't remember. I made the joke, and I'm the only person here hasn't been Hawaii. And I don't think they tell 10-year-olds like you just got laid. Yeah, I was like 18, so they were. Yeah, a little different.

Anyway, Coochukh got laid. He's on the dance floor. He's swinging his hips from left to right, knocking balls out of the park. I mean, I'd never seen anything like it in my entire life. Dude, he looked like. Everyone listening to this podcast right now, you're able to multitask if you're on your phone. You have to go and find this clip of him swinging his hips. It honestly brought some life to Coochre.

I always think Kutcher is like this dad in the out there, like with the sketches and all that stuff. But he was swinging his hips. Those hips do not lie. They've never told the lie in their entire lot. I think he was my example when we did cookie cutter guys on tour. Of course. And now I don't think he can be my pick anymore. Not with those hips.

Not with those hips. No, you're immediately out of that group of those hips. Yeah. And not only is he out because of the hips, but also because of the rumors that we're going around on Saturday. So these rumors. Oh, this, no one, golf Twitter has never. basically disown somebody quicker. They just dropped him.

I mean, they were just like you. It was like they were, they, well, none of them could wait for the other one to finally go in on Matt Cochard and they all just pounced. Well, the thing with Gold Twitter is they, they're so rarely get a controversy. It's like they're going through the desert and they finally saw an oasis and that oasis was the Matt Cocher $3,000 rumor. So they all just left onto it. So here's what happened.

And I haven't waited on this publicly yet. I haven't tweeted anything about it. The reason I haven't is because I have not seen a single thing that confirms to me that this is true. And I think just completely dragging and destroying somebody's reputation off of a completely unsubstantiated rumor is not the right thing to do. It may be true. It may not be true. I don't know yet. Once I see something that confirms to me that it's definitely true, I would be happy to weigh in.

And we'll talk about what has happened since. So this guy, Tom Gillis, who is a champions tour player, senior tour player, used to be a PGA tour player, you know, knows the scene, knows people has connections. He's got, you know, little birdies whispering here and there. He tweets out, if Cocher wins this weekend, let's hope he pays his man more than 3K like the last win. 45 mil in earnings could have changed the man's life. A lot more comes out from basically the same source. essentially saying that this L-Tusan guy, T-C-N, L-2-C-A-N? T-U-C-A-N?

T-U-C-A-N. T-U-C-A-N. L-2-Can, who was a local caddy at Miacoba, which is where Kooch won back in November. So what happened was Kooch's caddy. Couldn't make the trip, his regular caddy had a conflict. Couldn't caddy for Kooch. Kooch grabs a local caddy.

Wins the tournament. So he wins about $1.3 million, I think, is what it was, something like that. 1.2 million. 1.296 million. So basically $1.3 million first place prize. The rumor, again, is that he only paid his caddy $3,000. What is standard for PGA tour caddies for professional, you know, full-time caddies is about 10%. 10% of $1.3 million is, what, $130,000?

He gave him three. Is again, the rumor people are not happy about that. They're roasting them now. A lot of people are coming out and saying, hey, look, when you have a local caddy, it's quite different because when you have a professional caddy, a lot of that 10%, the reason you pay them so much, they're on the road constantly. They have to pay that's incredibly expensive.

They have to pay for travel. They have to pay for lodging. They have to pay for rental cars. You also compensate them a little bit for all the extra work that they do because they're just your guy. They're your full-time caddy, your comfort level. They know everything that you want, just like with anybody here.

With you and with Frankie and like Dave, like he just having your guy, there's a certain value to that. You don't get that with a local caddy. So they don't get quite as much. Some people floated the number around of like 5%, which again would be $60,000, something like that. Nope. The rumor is that he paid three.

Now again, the reason I haven't weighed in on it is because I haven't seen anything that confirmed it. Cooch himself came out and said when asked on Saturday after his round, that's not a story. It wasn't 10%. It wasn't 3,000. It's not a story, as all Coutcher has said on it. I'm with you in terms of nothing can be confirmed or to not. either way. We need, we almost need L2 can to come out and, and either defend Coutcher or say,

no, he gave me $3,000. That's really the only way the story can go in either direction. I think Coocher's response to it kind of makes me think that it's pretty low, right, or else he would just been like, yeah, I didn't give him 10%, but I gave him like $30,000. Like, is he not happy with that? I just picked him out of a lineup and I won a tournament, basically with no help. Like, this guy doesn't help me prepare. He doesn't travel me. Like, what you were saying, I just gave him $30,000. Like, I know it's not a lot, but compared to what most guys gave, but I gave him a decent amount. And I think the 30K people would have been like, okay, that's great.

Right. But the fact that he was like, it's a non-story, it wasn't 10%, but it also wasn't three. It's like, what was it? Right. What was it? Like, 3.5? Four? Yeah.

Okay, Cooch. If he wants this sort of rumor mill and conjecture around it to go away, he's more specific about what he gave the guy. Instead of being, now people have to guess, oh, it's between 130,000 and 3,000. You've just got to put an end to it. Which, it's very difficult because, like, like you said, Frankie, I believe one of you two said this that the only way to really know is like for the caddy

to come out was that Trent Daddy is the caddy to come out but the caddy's employed at the resort he's not what kind of employee caddy are you if you're coming out just telling everybody exactly who pays you what terrible one and that's not a good look so the caddy's probably not going to do that

so we're kind of caught like I don't know I you're right if I'm that caddy though you understand how pumped up that guy must have been like I got picked by Cooch. He just shot, what he should, a 63-63 to start. He's probably talking about... Well, that was this week.

He just won this week. Yeah, this was in the past. This is from November. Yeah, yeah. Oh, I'm thinking this happened just now. Nope. So this just came out now. Just from November. It came out because he was in the lead and somebody started to win. Got it. And then he went on to win. Yeah. Got it. Okay. Regardless, he's still starting off hot, obviously, if he's winning a tournament. And this guy's

probably juiced up, like, oh my God, doing the math in his head. Like, I'm going to make a shit ton of money right now. This is my... lottery. Like this is what I'm going to do. This is, this is my big break. And then it's just like, he gets just like a pity. Now that's if this is true, but I would come out and say something too. Let me say, let me see. Because it's a week worth. I think he will be able to gauge it. Like, if the guy comes out and says, no, he gave me more than that because that would be appropriate, I think, if to maybe defend Kutcher, not give the exact amount, but if the guy stays completely silent, then you got to be like what maybe he did give him $3,000. I don't know, man, because I

think again like if you want to keep your job as the like what's the caddy master going to do at my kobu if you're going out on social media blasting people because he only paid you three thousand no but that's what i'm saying what if he came out and defended kuthran was like no he gave me a an amount that was appropriate because that might not be true yeah that's what i'm saying if it's not true then his silence almost tells more of the story than anything else but i but see i don't know that you could tell that because i don't know if the caddy master would let him be like no he paid me 50 grand either like you know he might just be that's kind of like an unwritten It might even be written that.

Like, dude, you can't just be going out publicly being like, this guy paid me this, this guy paid me that. You're a caddy. Like, that's your little arrangement with the player. You know? I think that's kind of part of the code. So low that he would, like, he would just do it regardless of rules. I think he would no longer be a caddy at that resort. He would just come out and say it.

Which that's this guy's life. Like, he might have a family there. He lives there. He works there. You're just going to, like, give up your job to blast Matt Coutcher. Do you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Like, would you just give up your whole job right now, Frankie?

Well, I'm not in that guy's a situation. You slighted you one time? No, but I'm like not in that guy's position where like I should have made $130,000 what people are saying. But you didn't and you already didn't and it was two months ago. So what are you going to do now? You're going to just, you're just going to, just to be like, I want to embarrass Matt Kucher online, I'm going to throw my current life away. No, yeah, I guess there's no going back and like getting paid again. Like it's not like Kutcher's going to unless it really came out.

Maybe he's doing that under it. Maybe he's doing that. I mean, there's got to be something going on. It would really... That'd be the best way to play it. What? Hey, Cooch. I'll come out and say that you paid me $70k.

Just give it if you give me something. Hell yeah, blackmail him. Right. Love that. Yep. It's almost whitemailing them. Because you're not threatening to do something bad. You're just offering to do something that would help him.

Right. I'll come out and say that you paid me $70 if you pay me $70. That feels like blackmail. I think it's white mail. It's blackmail, but there's like it's a... Well, I mean, I don't think Couture wants to give him. 70,000. Right.

Seems like blackmail. I don't know. I feel like if he said, Hey, Coocher's like a lose-lose in that situation. I feel like if he went on the internet and said, or if he came with Cooch and said, I'm going to go on the internet and say you're the cheapest scumbag in the world unless you pay me 70.

That's blackmail. That's blackmail. He hasn't doing that. I'm saying, give me 70. And I'll say you're the greatest guy that you gave me 70 all along. At the least, it's extortion.

Because you can't be like, I'm trying to get more money out of somebody and like paint that in a positive light. It is? it is crazy hey man i'm doing the right thing over here like give me the money the reason if this is such a big story is because is that cocher is seen as like the nicest guy ever yeah big time so it would really be unmasking quite a controversy if this guy came out and was like he gave me

3,000 it would be wild wild and that's again these are the rumors that are on the internet this tom gillis guy seems to be very confident in his sources um i you know i i do think it's kind of shit that the entire internet is, I mean, Cooch's reputation's already damaged, right, from this? I mean, nobody, I don't think anybody sees this. Like, tons of people see this. And then forever will be like, oh, the Cooch is that guy. They don't want paid his caddy 3K, brutal.

And that's it. Yeah, there is always going to be a little bit of that. Tons of people, I think. Yeah. So it's a weird thing. It's a, again, it blew up on Twitter over the weekend. If you had said, hey, what golfer is going to get, you know, accused of doing such a thing. I think Coocher isn't even on that list.

And that list is like if there's 100 people on it, it's not even close. No. And shout to a guy Brander who came out and just defended the $3,000 payment. Did he? Oh, yeah. Of course. It was great. What could he wait?

I can't wait to hear what he said. It was great. I love every second of it. If you're looking for a fresh take, Brandl's usually got it. It was great. He's usually not down the middle with anything like that. No, it was, it was. So he said,

the reason tour caddies are paid as much as they are is to offset travel expenses and the sacrifice of a lifetime on the road away from family and friends if Cooch in fact paid his substitute caddy 3,000 from what I read, roughly twice as normal salary, seems a fair exchange. Brandl, it's just not a fair exchange.

You got to watch out because you don't want catty's turning against you. Like local caddies like that. You know what I mean? You need the caddies. Yeah, especially. So you got to watch out, Brando. I got a little cough over here. It's a, yeah, it's January.

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In the office itself? No, in the city of New York. It's cold, yeah. The weather. It's been like 25 over the weekend. Just the weather. I got these gloves, though. I've been a big glove guy, and it's made my whole body warmer.

It's weird. Because it probably a lot of... Gloves are huge. Huge. Especially with the phone now, because you've got the phone. The phone's like metal. It gets really cold. Or if you're ever having a beer outside.

hand like falls off or even tossing. I wear a sweatshirt. I put the jacket over. I throw gloves on and I can literally walk around with my jacket unzipped. For some reason the gloves just complete the whole warm. My problem with gloves is I can't can you mess with your phone? You gotta get the yeah I mean the ones that I wore

today are so good. They actually look like murderer gloves. They're like leather gloves. And they have the touch stuff on the Those don't but I have these other ones that have the touch stuff. You just gotta get with technology. Are these Christmas gloves, Frankie? These are Christmas gloves. Yeah. It's a big time. Well, you don't just appear in January with gloves in their knocking them.

Like, hey, I'm doing this new glove thing. Yeah, right. Yeah, they were like an extra like... Someone has to literally hand those to you. Totally. Be like, wear the... Yeah, they need to wear gloves down. My mom put them in my stocking.

She's like, you're a glove person now. I said, okay. Now, that's a big... Yeah, that is like an adult mid-20s move. You just start wearing gloves. Yeah, I'm almost 30. I still haven't started wearing gloves. It's a great move to.

You take them off. You put them in your little jacket pocket. You feel like an adult. Especially when you enter, like, if you enter a restaurant, you kind of survey the situation, tuck them into your little front pocket and you're just like I've arrived picturing someone walking into a restaurant and taking gloves off in my head is that's an adult that's kind of taking the finger part and taking it off as you're talking to the that guy makes pay as you're talking to

the matre d yes like that guy knows exactly the right bottle of wine to order and what app that guy's got a great credit score yeah oh yeah now do you take the gloves off before the scarf or the scarf before the gloves for her scarf feel like you can almost wear all the table and right before she sits you, you say thank you, and then you kind of unscarf right in front of her. Unscarf, unjacket, jacket on the back of the seat, scarf across it. That's if you're out of place that doesn't take your jacket. I don't have the

balls to wear a scarf. I don't think Trent's been in places that allow this type of stuff to happen. That felt like a weird shot. That was a shot. I don't know why. Why did you take a shot at Trent? I don't know. I go to places like Borelli's. I don't need to go to places. There you go. Bang. You turn that into a little compliment to me. A little bit. Or was that like a dig at Borelli's

actually. I kind of thought that was a dig at Borelli. I just like took a little I just took a little fucking U-turn on that. Definitely don't go to Borrellys is what he was saying. I take that fist bump away. You know I love Borellies? I love Borellies. I've been in there many times.

Speaking of Borrellys and scarves and all this stuff, we threw a 60th birthday, surprise birthday party for my dad. Oh, that's nice. Yep. It was just surprised? He was surprised. How much did he cry?

I tweeted out the other day when it happened, but he started crying before he knew what was going on. He turned the corner into the restaurant. He was already crying. His tear ducks knew before he knew. We don't know, like, you just cry when you walk into restaurants? At that point, like, what's going on with you? Like, what's going on your head?

What is you going to happen about? No, but it went well. But just to put a little bow on this, you know, being an adult, I smoked a cigar while wearing gloves and a scar. Like, that was the most adult I've ever been. Yeah. I put the cigar right in between the, right in the gloves. I just, I was, it was like a little holder. You even have to feel like you were holding the cigar.

That's adult fun right there. That is. Yeah. And I notice when you're smoking cigars, you talk about things that you've never talked about before. Yeah. You just start bringing up random shit. I was like, so how about that grass outside your house? Like, how did you get that?

I'm like, what? I'm talking this guy about his landscaping around his house. You're talking about grass? We were talking about landscaping. Like, how do you get it to do this? You went full dad this week? Full dad. Your 24-year-old man.

What you got a lawmower uses and stuff? She's like, oh, like, I noticed you have this type of landscaping. Like, how did you, like, start? Like, do you go in with a plan? Did you buy the house? How often do you water that stuff? Yeah. Because, you know, I have a plant in my room now.

I do. I do. I have a plant in my room. You're acting like a plant in your room. I have a plant in my room. I have a plant in my room and it's a, it's a fucking chore to keep watering this thing. It's kind of a plant. It's like this bamboo tree.

It's like a bamboo tree. You keep it like right next to your little window? Is this another Christmas gift? We got you the plant, Frank. To be honest. I went to a home. Depot to get something else. I went there to get like knives and I walked out

with this fucking bamboo plant. No you didn't. I swear to God. Was it like cute or something? Why'd you buy it? You know what? It is cute. It's got fat fucking leaves on it. And it's like it adds greenery to my white room. And I walked, I walked out, I walked down freaking 23rd Street with this huge plant. That's the size of my body and it was all the way up in the air and I walked across the streets of Manhattan with it. It's the size of your body?

It's the size of my body. You're talking like it goes on like things like five and a half six. So you know. So you bought it, knew it was going to be a problem. Like, you walked out of there like, fuck. It's a problem. It's a massive problem. So I was talking to the guy.

Was it coming like a pot? It comes in a pot. It's not as heavy as you would think. Really? Jesus. Wow. I don't even know how it was fun of that. Anyway, I bought this goddamn plant, and I started talking about how I have to water it.

And this guy started talking about how he has to water his backyard. And then we talked about maintenance around the house. Gotcha. While I smoked a cigar and wearing gloves. That's the end of the story. All right. Your plant. Hey, when do you think the problem?

plant dies over under. I give it. How long have you had it? I've had it two weeks. Oh, that thing's not seen in February. I've had two weeks, and I think the bottom part's already dead. I swear to God, I think it is a good idea to get a plant in fucking January? Isn't the sun's up for like an hour of day?

It's one of those plants that don't need to be outside or any of the sun. I don't think that type of plant exists. What kind of fucking plant? What is it from Mars? Like, what are you talking about? I get you guys the name of this plant. And I think you guys are going to add it to your, I mean, you should add it to your little dungeon with all your wires and shit. I'm not going to get back into that.

Kill yourself. Whatever. What kind of plant is it? I don't know the name. It's some sort of bamboo shit. It's like a bamboo plant. It looks like something... Coming next week, the name of the plant in front of the room. Are you going to be sad if it dies? He's going to kill the thing. I'm looking at a picture of a bamboo. How much was the plant? Was it expensive? It's not bamboo. Was it expensive plant? It was like 35 bucks. That's not bad. So are you going to be sad if it dies? No, I just want to know how to, I want to know how to, I want to know how to to preserve plants. I want to know how to preserve. Maybe, you know, I could have asked our architect. Oh, David McLeigh, kid. David McLeod kid. He would definitely know. What's that name? Is that two last names? It's a hyphen. It's a dash? David McLeod kid. Like Kid Gilchrist? Yeah. Yeah. I think,

I think that's right. Could I ask him how he preserves plants. I'm sure he preserves a lot of plants around his godotomy. Argonautomy. What? What's that word? I can never say that word. What was that? Botany? Argonomy? Botany sounds correct. No, that's from, botany is, that's,

you know, Mars with Matt Damon. The Martian. He's a botan. Wait, is it called? The Martian. Yeah. You know that one best?

He says, I'm the botanist. You know, that was, I think it did the one, or it was, it was nominated for best comedy. It was. I remember that been.

Agronomy. Agronomy. I got the, two letters, Rick stuff. That's not so bad. I didn't know what either word was. So I was going to say,

yes. If you would have said, Argonomy, I would have been like, Agronomy is the science and technology of producing and using plants for food, fuel, fiber, and land reclamation. There you go. That's all I'm doing. What's the difference between that and a botanist?

Botanist. Botanist? Botanist. Botanist. The Martian is my favorite movie to watch on a Sunday when I'm hung over. That's a weird one. Plant biology is the science of plant life and a branch of biology. I mean, what the fuck's the difference between that in agronom?

Those sounded very similar. Yeah. I have no idea. Anyways, you have a plan. I have a plan. You name it? No. All right.

I name it right now. Pulp. Pulp? Like Pulp Fiction? Because I watched that fucking movie yesterday. Man, what a great movie. What a great movie Pulp Fiction is. One of the best.

I mean, it's all-time movie. We're not breaking any news. Laugh out loud, funny. Samuel L. Jackson may be funnier in that movie than anyone's ever been in a movie that they weren't trying to be funny in. Like when he's in the diner and stuff? Just like everything, dude.

Yeah. The beginning conversation about hamburgers is very funny. When they shoot the guy in the back and then they have to clean it up. He's like, we got a fucking problem of you. I want you to tell me that you are fucking sending over your guys. And he's like, don't worry about it. I'm all in the motherfucker. What's the guy's name that they shoot?

What's the guy's name that they shoot? It's like, we shot Marvin in the face. Marvin, yeah. We shot Marvin in the face. He's like, I'm sending the wolf. He's like, oh, you're sending the wolf? And then the problems is over. The wolf's coming.

What a great movie. Oh, you send him the wolf? Hosung Choi. Oh. the legend. This guy, the fact that he's actually playing in a PJ tournament. So there was this petition, is that what you call it, where everybody signed something? Yep.

There was this online petition going around to get him in the waste management, which a bunch of people were tagging me in late last week. I actually had something else I was promoting. I think it was like a new video or maybe it was our Kevin Chappel podcast. So I was like, I'll get around to this a couple days later. I want to give a little breathing room between promotional stuff. For sure. But I'm going to promote this petition to get Hosung Choi into the waste man. because I was pretty into that.

If you guys don't remember, this is the guy with the fisherman swing. He popped up like midway through last year. It might have been six months ago or so. But it was one of those late night tournaments. You know, sometimes you get home from the bar. It's like Saturday night. You turn on Golf Channel at like midnight, 1 o'clock in the morning. And there's some Asian tour event.

They could be in Japan. They could be in China. It could be in South Korea. It could be anywhere. It's an Asian tournament. And Hosung Choi was on. And everybody started tweeting about him on the internet, golf, Twitter. Everybody's boozing a little bit watching Osung Choi.

They call him the fisherman swing. He does. I mean, he's the most electric golfer. pound for pound on planet earth and it's not even close not even not even even even he's got pizzazz oh he's got athletic ability he's sick he won i think on like the japan tour he won crazy like a month or so ago he's amazing his puts he hits these puts then he starts dancing around in a circle all the puts breaking towards the hole leaning like all we're falling over in the green that it goes in he gives like a big chichi rodriguez fist pump like he is just the best so this petition goes

around to get him in the waste management. Next thing, you know, I log on Twitter this morning. He's in the AT&T Pebble Beach Proaam in like a month. They gave him a sponsor's invite, I guess, or just one of their invites. They gave him. He's making his PGA tour debut. And the best part is he's pretty sick. Like,

he could make the cut. Like, he's fucking good. This guy is good. He's going to be playing. He's going to be on the cliffs of Pebble. Oh, man. I just pulled up a Ho-sung Choi article and I learned two things about him. One, he's 45 years old. What? Yeah.

He's 45. Stunning. What? Stunning. I got one of the oldest rookies in PJ. My second fact is going to blow your mind even more. He picked up the game of golf at age 25.

What? This guy's a crazy person. He's the man. What a story. That's an unbelievable story. I mean, he's my second favorite player in the world. I thought that he would be 25,

not that he learned how to play golf at 25, and he's now 45 years old. He does his kick-through jump thing on wedge shots. He's got 72 yards. That's what I was going to say that there's no limit to where he's. his pizzazz goes. Usually you have a little pizzazz. You add a little English to your swing or whatever.

When you hit like a bomb drive or you like smoke a three wood off the deck and you just like, you do the sword or something like that. Bubble sometimes loses his balance. This guy's fucking doing it on chip shots. Dude, he chips and he does like a little hopper. And then he puts and does it. He's putts and does it from like eight feet. He does it from like eight feet.

He puts and does a pirouette. He is this guy. He is easily my second favorite golf. in the world. Tiger, obviously, number one. Yeah. But then Hosung Troy, I don't know how it's even close. Again, pound for pound, he is the most entertaining golfer on planet Earth, and now he's

going to be playing. So keep your eyes peeled one month, less than a month, AT&T, Pebble Beach Pro, and they play Spyglass, Monterey Peninsula, and Pebble. And then they do the final round to get at Pebble. So he'll play at least one round at Pebble in those other couple courses. I think there's then a 54 hole cut, boom. And hopefully you get to see him a couple times playing on the club. cliffs of Pebble Beach because he is just

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