Fore Play - Historical Disagreement

Episode Date: October 14, 2021

Riggs takes the squad on a historical journey looking into the rules of golf over the past 800 years. Some old school rules blow our minds and make us consider bringing them back. In news, Bryson changed his putting based on the study of where one strikes the dimple on a golf ball… and Frankie is all for it. We also get an update on Frankie’s elbow (not good), Tiger Woods, and more.You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

Hey, Forwardplay listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Ford Play, presented by Barstool Sports. We can never just start a show normally, huh? We can't, we just kind of, people are giggling, people are making noises. I got excited for that one. Tea Daddy was given kind of a fake clap to get us started. I was excited for it.

Frankie took the longest drink of water I've ever seen and then gave one of the I like the Coca-Cola commercial. Knowing that my hands were in the air, getting ready to clap, and he wanted me to see, he wanted to see how long I'd hold my hands. I think I have some prosciute in my teeth. Frankie just did a lot of prosciute. Calabrias of New Jersey came in. We've done a review for them,

and they got an amazing score from Daveport, and I think it was in the nines. They do like the crunchy thin pizza in Jersey. So they brought in what looked to be like $5,000 worth of I mean, trays upon trays of Pente Pome Doreau, uh, Rigotonella vodka. And then all this is, so I'm going, I'm making my way down this buffet line. And then I see the glistening tray of a mountain of prosciute just waiting for me. Three trays of prosciute.

I mean, the most prosciut I've ever seen in my entire life to the point where, you know, when you have the whole company-wide thing where like everyone's going to have a little piece, You don't want to Milton anyone from office space where, like, you know, pass it down so that everyone gets one. So I wanted to only take one piece of prosuit. I couldn't just take one piece of pursuit. So I ended up throwing a ball of prosuit on my plate. I put a roll on top of that. And then I walked away and came back.

I said, oh, is there some pursuit over here? And then I threw it on top of the roll. So it looked like I only took one. I was hiding pursuit underneath the roll. I was hiding the pursuit under the roll. If pursuit didn't exist, how much healthier do you think you would be? Oh, my God. Just never come up with it.

Dude, are you kidding me? Oh, it's, it's my kryptonite, man. Salty meats. Salty Italian meats. So we got a fun show today. We got a lot to get to. There's been Phil Mickelson and Justin Thomas have been weighing in on the USGA and RNA's decision to adopt or to implement a new local rule that it does sound like the PGA tour will adopt starting in 2022. That is going to lead us down a deep historical dive into the rules of.

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Yeah. You mentioned Amazon, and he went up in Bezos' rocket in space today. So that jogged my memory. Couldn't believe when I saw that name. I had to Google if that was like a young version of William Shatner. And it was just Shatner. I was like, oh. Yeah, Ria was watching it at her desk.

She was glued to her laptop watching it. And she said, William Shatner is 90 years old. And I said, that sounds right, because he has just been around forever. So shout out to that guy. Did he survive? Yeah, he did survive. He's not actually 90. I believe he is.

90? I didn't look. I didn't look. I'll be on. He's 90. Yeah. Right. I saw, I thought it was like, um, 1931.

Wow. I thought it was one of those like, uh, Will Smith and baseball things where you're like, oh, yeah, that's just somebody else, like, who's name Will Smith. That's really cool. And it was actually William Shatner. I was just like, oh, man. He's doing the damn thing. He went to space.

So you're right. Shout out to him. He looks unbelievable. He looks great. Yeah. He just went to space. He's got that space globe. He looks great.

Don't you have to be a certain level of healthy to attend space? To attend space? Yeah, I think so. But if you're William Shatner, like, obviously an iconic Star Trek character and then he's always apparently dreamed of going to space. So they probably, like, they probably fudge the physical. Bro, I'm shocked. He didn't just open up the door and just drift. You know, like, that was his ending.

Like, he finally got up there. How was that better? How was that better than coming back to Earth than just killing yourself and dripping? I know a Star Trek guy. You know you're close. The finish line's right in front of you. He might as well just say. It's like, why do we, why do we?

Another good 10 years? Unlikely. Why do we sprinkle ashes into the ocean? Like, because it's a nice thing. He's like, I'm 90. No, no, no. I'm 90. I'm knocking on the door.

It's the final curtain, as Sinatra said. Knock, knock, knock, knock. And, This is going to be probably his only opportunity to be in space. He's like, I might as well be one with space. Oh, imagine our lives if we knew William Shatner was forever floating through space. Like that's just something Earth knew all time. But Trent comparing to someone spreading their ashes after they're dead incriminated to actually just jumping out the door and killing oneself

and floating around the world are too drastically different. I don't look at that as like a killing himself thing. I think it's just he's just ending. it in a great way, right? It's like his final, it's his final chapter. He just opens a door and floats. The thing is, the gap isn't as big as you're making it seem low lurch. You know what I mean?

Where like, the gap isn't as big as you're making it seem like if I was, if we did it, I'm in my early 30s, people would be like, that's crazy. But he's 90. He's, you know, I don't want to put it. But that's a long way from ashes. I mean, not really when you're 90. He's 90. How's that a long way from ashes?

He's also basically, he basically is ashes. He's 90. Have you seen an old person? Have you seen an old person? They're basically ashes. Imagine him. Imagine him like sticking his fingers up and saying, beam me up, Scotty, as he falls back into the dark void of space. Oh, man.

All time. No disrespect to old people, by the way. I love old people. But, you know, he's right there. 90 is pretty old. We're almost right there. He looks good for 90, though. I don't think we're giving enough credit for.

for how good he looks. Good people die every day. Good looking people die every day. That's true. No doubt about that. I'm just saying voluntarily jumping out into space. There is something poetic about that in some weird way. But at the same time, you're just saying, you know what?

I'm not going back down to Earth. I'm done. I'm dead here right now. And so I'd rather personally live out the rest of my days, maybe be cremated, and then spread my ashes in space. If I'm William Shatner, I'm asking to have a probe put on my back where it's going to light up and you just send me into orbit so that people around the world can look up. Is that a star? Is that a planet?

No, that's fucking William Shatner. Just the constantly shooting William Shatner star that just... Flooding around the face. Is that Orion's belt? No, that's William Shatner. Dude, what a fucking legacy, man. Boy. I think we're right.

Do you think anyone will ever do that? What do you mean? You're right. Hold on. Write about one. I bet. I, what I shouldn't have said right, I bet it crossed William Shatner's mind. Okay. Okay. Right felt weird. I didn't understand right. I think it didn't really fit with the conversation that we were having. But I think it crossed his mind. I also, I don't even, like, a door. I don't think there's a door. And if there was, 90-year-old William Shatner can't open that door. Imagine he gets up and then he's trying to be like, he's trying to do his poetic thing and then he can't, he can't open. the door and everyone's like, Will, just like, sit down, dude.

Like, we still got fucking another couple hours here. And then it's weird because he doesn't have any strength. He's up in space. So maybe it just wasn't feasible for him, but he wanted to do it. He had a quote about going up into space that was very emotional and very beautiful. And I just cannot find it right now. But it seems like a guy who was just so. He should have jumped, dude.

Just so in love with space that it certainly crossed his mind. Why can I not find it? I saw it all day this morning. And now I can't find it. I'm sorry. This is just... I see one, I hope I never recover. Is that from going to space?

That is... Sounds like a guy that... It sounds a lot like a guy that meant to jump and he just couldn't figure out. I agree with you. I almost lose all credibility with the line. Are you saying I'm going to see the vastness of space and the extraordinary miracle of our earth

and how fragile it is compared to the forces at work in the universe? Nope. That's not it, unfortunately. No. That's a good one, though, Jake. That's a good one. Who said that? William Chattner. I mean, he's just full of quotes, full of poetic quotes.

This is a guy. Every single quote we keep reading from this guy, sounds like Frankie was right. He was ready. I think he might have emotionally prepared for this to be the end. And when he came back, he's actually like, fuck, I'm still here. My ship landed. Yeah, I mean, I almost tend to agree with you. Based on reading a few of these quotes, he maybe should have stayed up there.

I mean, got a spacesuit, lived out the rest of his days. I don't know, a couple packaged meals in his spacesuit. Maybe he's got another week and he just floats around for a week. You think there's a single 90 plus year old listening to this podcast right now? No. No. Not one. All right.

Here's this quote. Sorry. I don't know what you got. I mean, Riggs, do you think? I mean, in no way. Here's what he said. I don't, but then, I mean, it's numerically, it feels probable, but, but rationally it feels unlikely.

Let's hear the quote. William Shatner, after he went up in a space today, said, I do not know what I may appear to the world, but to myself, I seem to have only been, oh wait,

I seem to have been only like a boy playing on the seashore, diverting myself and now and then finding a smoother pebble or a prettier shell than ordinary, whilst the great ocean of truth lay all undiscovered before me. That's a guy who should have died in space.

I don't know. He's so checked out. It's crazy. He might go crazy. He might go crazy. might go back for a final trip. If he's going back up, I think everybody knows that's his final trip. He's not coming back.

No. If you go, yeah, I agree with you. Shout out to William Shatner. Mm-hmm. Great day for him. Shout to William Shatner. Um, I guess, Tiger Woods. From William Shadder to Tiger Woods.

Well, before we get to Tiger Woods, I want to apologize to my doctor. I've talked about Dr. Brown. the surgeon. I've fucked up the surgery. It's only been 16 days, I believe it's been, maybe 15 days since my last surgery. Oh, no, today's Wednesday. So it's been 14 days since my surgery. You're so stupid. And it's back, you know, the popping and the elbow. I've had so many people in my DM to have had this ulnar transposition surgery. And you're all listening to this. I want to apologize to you as well. You've tried to tell me to take the recovery seriously. You tried to tell me to do this, do that.

It seems as though the popping of the nerve is back. I had the sensation in my elbow where I had to pop it. It's probably because I was way too willy-nilly with playing the drums, only 12 days post-surgery, driving it lower off the road in go-carts. I mean, I was, the problem is it felt good, and I just did stuff. And that's just not how you recover. Can't feel too good after, what did you say? 14 days?

You went for four hours on the drums? It felt good. Like, I was never in a point where I was like, oh, my God, my arm is fucking bleeding and pain. And I can't do it like. Did you think in your head that the doctor is just wrong? No, I didn't. I just thought because he said, like, I'll be able to drum. I was like, well, why can't I just drum a little bit today?

And I still don't know. And I want to say that. I don't, I haven't been to him for an extra checkup. I just know what I'm feeling in my elbow today, Wednesday, October 13th is not correct. Like, it's not what I felt for the first 12 days. I felt stability the first 12 days. I felt compactness in my elbow. Now I'm feeling every time I grab this water bottle right now, it just feels loose and it's popping.

So the nerve is- What was recommended? What was rest time recommended by doctor? Oh, months. I mean, months. Well, yeah, months. And I would say, I mean, what activity could you do that is more elbow intensive than the drumming that I witnessed you doing last night?

Really good question. I don't know. I don't know if there's done anything else in the world. And you saying it feels good now, so why would I have to wait the two weeks when he said that I could drum? That's just ignoring that the time exists. Correct. Healing. And that healing is a thing.

Right. And that it takes time. Right. Yeah. No, you're an idiot. No, I don't want to say this lightly. I like, my brain felt like mellow last night. Like I slipped into a dark place last night, like sitting there being like, I can't believe my fucking elbow is probably going to need surgery again.

You know what I mean? You were like that at the office. You were just sitting there, like, staring off into space. Yeah, man, I was, like, pretty out of it yesterday. Just thinking, like, what am I doing out here? You know? But then I also think, like, I want to play in these concerts, bro. We're going to, like, multiple cities.

It's going to be awesome. We're going to, like, a place. I don't even know if we've announced it yet, so. I don't think they have. But your arm won't work. So at a certain level, like, you're not going to, like, you're not going to. I know, but at some point, I give everything to this fucking company. And if I have to give my arm, I give my arm.

No, but in, you didn't have to practice. We kind of did. Like we're learning new songs because we're going to specific cities. I had to play. You can still play. You think anyone's going to care if you go up there and you didn't quite have practiced than not. No, I care though.

I care. I care. We've got thousands of people coming to this thing. Like we can't just be fucking idiots about it. Like the reason why it works is because we practice and because we try and play well. Or else like now of a sudden you're saying like should we not like try anything or even practice about anything. Like that is the reason why people have come in the first place.

You had a surgical procedure. to repair your arm and that when you have that you have to sacrifice things afterwards. It'd be like, if a quarterback just had an ACL surgery and then a week later is like, yeah, but I really want to play football. I just really want to play football. It's awesome. That's like you just don't know. It just doesn't work.

I also think his arm is still probably yellow from the pictures. Like if you look at it, you can't tell me that it's like, oh, this looks good. It's still bruised, cut up. No, I saw it yesterday. It looks like, show. I have like the stuff off now and like it, the skin hasn't even healed.

Like the incision's still there. Like there's two pieces of skin being held together with, with fabric. The decision to go play drum for four hours sweat with that kind of limb in that coloration is beyond idiotic, but at the same time I love. I absolutely. Listen, man,

if I have to get the surgery, you got to get the surgery again. I don't know what else to tell you guys. Like I, my life sucks. Like right now I'm in a bad spot. and, you know, I'm not very happy. I'm pretty mellow about it.

I feel round if that makes any. I don't know my face is round, but like my brain feels round, if that makes any sense. No edges to it? There's no, like, edge. Like, I'm just kind of like floating through the day being like, I can't believe I really fuck this up, you know? I just can't believe that it feels like this right now. Talking to you guys, I can't believe my elbow feels like this right now. Right.

Do you wake up in the morning thinking, oh, my elbow's fixed? And then you're like, oh, shit, no, it's not. I screwed it up again. I'm more nervous about telling the doctor. I'm more nervous about him being like, dude, what? Like, what? And looking at it and being like, Jesus. Like, I'm nervous about that response for him being like, fuck, dude.

I'm also worried that he's going to hear what happened and then say, well, we can't immediately go back in there for surgery. You have to, like, let it recover before we can jump back in there? I think he denies doing this thing? Do you think he denies me, like, a second chance? Like, he's like, go to someone else. I'm not dealing with this again. No, it's more money in his pocket at the end of the day.

Because, like, you being stupid gets him more business. I'm concerned about your, like, health care, what this is going to cost you. Is that a problem? What do you mean? You think it will go up because of idiot? Well, no, like, if this was covered the first time, but then it's clear that you just, like, ignored all advice, then, like, the health care and what it costs a new procedure, they're going to be like, they're just going to be like, you just are breaking your arm on purpose.

I didn't think his face was the most concerned I had no thought into that of all time and oh my God this is a bigger problem that I forced off. Why would they cover that? I wouldn't cover that.

Right there's probably a clause in there that says you have to follow all of the procedures to then so it heals correctly so we don't have to pay for this again. Probably. Yeah, I didn't think of that. I probably wouldn't have said it

publicly if I knew about that. Trying to buy a house right now. Yeah, I got a lot of things going on. It just got real. What you guys were talking about? Yeah, I talk about Tiger Woods. You would talk about History.

I want to talk about Tiger Woods. Let's talk about Tiger Woods. I got this temperature down. I got hot. She got real hot. I even heard Jake Bass laughing in there. That's good stuff. Tiger Woods.

Are we ready to move on to Tiger Woods? Yeah. I'm just going through my brain right now about what my next couple of weeks are going to look like. you want to call your doctor no i i don't know what to do yeah i don't know you know if you can cry if you want if that makes you feel better on the pod it makes me but there was never like a timeline of like you had like like there was never like you can't drum tomorrow right i was never told that like i'll fight that to the death being like you never told me i can't like do this i can't do i was never

given a brace i was never given a schedule and when i can be out of a sling it was just like whenever you start feeling good, you can go drum. Like, at the end of the month, you should be good. It was a lot of, like, you could have, you should have, you will be types of things. You know what I mean? It was never like, this is, you can't take this off until October 27th type of shit. It was like, yeah. I hope that there's not a common sense clause.

Well, the common sense was like, yeah, it felt good. Like, I felt good and I like practiced. I didn't practice for four hours, healthcare people that are listening to this. I was going to say, stories change it a little bit. I practiced for like an hour and a half. Lightly. Went through the fucking motions. Turn these mics off.

Fuck. Look, I'm rooting for you. I'm not on big health insurance. Seems like you're on big health insurance. Health insurance has gotten enough money this fucking year anyway. Healthcare industry is known to be quite expensive in our country. And I don't want to see you get financially hurt because you're playing the drums in front of a, you know. I just don't want to see that happen.

Try it. I'm looking at that video of us playing drums, of us playing that song just keeps getting views. take it down. He's fucking delete it. Delete it. Tiger Woods. So we spoke last show about photos, footage that emerged from Tiger Woods,

following Charlie around, leaning on a golf club. We said that Tiger's just going to find his way with golf clubs in his hands. He's going to be flipping balls around and spinning clubs and that eventually he'll just be hitting golf shots and then winning golf tournaments. And that's just part of the process.

We have a source inside of, clearly inside of the Tiger Woods camp, whether this is a notification or a Ricky leak, it's on that level clearly because People Magazine has been updating. They've written a few articles the last couple days. And they just keep saying, a source. A source tells people in this week's issue that Woods, quote, lives for his son Charlie, 12, and his daughter, Sam 14. and these quotes that are coming out again.

If this was just someone who happened to like happened upon Tiger, chatted with him for two seconds that didn't really know them, these quotes were basically written, it sounds like, by Mark Steinberg, which I love. We're very familiar on this show of the fact that what comes out of Camp Tiger is usually very carefully curated and it's not usually a surprise to them. Another quote that came from a source says, being a dad has helped him stay focused on his recovery.

At times it has been very difficult for him, both physically and mentally. His leg injuries have caused him extreme pain, but he is a fighter and has been determined to get better throughout. It then says he has worked very hard in physical therapy. He has had an incredible recovery. Now again, these are all just from A-Source.

These made me laugh out loud when I read them because, again, they're so perfectly written that A-Source would just kind of reveal these things to People magazine. but all things considered, even if these are coming directly from Tiger Woods himself, I think they're very positive things for us to hear. Absolutely. Very positive.

Uplifting. Makes me feel better in my time right now. What I'm dealing with, the fact that a Tiger Woods who takes his recovery extremely seriously, it's great to hear that this guy's doing well and that he's on the right path. Well, he's taking his rehab serious. Yeah.

That's actually a good question. If Tiger had what you, you got done to his elbow. How long do you think he's out? Probably two months. Probably doesn't swing a golf club for two months. Starts with like light chips. Yeah, and like 15 minutes a day, gets it tested.

10 days out, you're running Aunt Lahr off the road and 14 days out, you're driving for three to four hours intensely. I like where all this Tiger Woods stuff is at it. I think we all know where it's going. I think we all know where it's going. State-sponsored media is putting out quotes like this. You just, you like to see things like that. As Tiger Woods guys, and we have been for a very long time in this podcast,

I can see it. I see the vision, as the kids say. And it's good. Agreed. Couldn't agree more. I think that's pretty much all that needs to be said. Right trajectory. Things are progressing like we said that they would.

Tiger Woods will inevitably be back. He's obviously the most skilled and mentally tough golfer in the history of the game. So if he is physically there, which all of these signs continue to point that he will be, then he is just unstoppable at this point. It's inevitable. As long as he doesn't drive his car off another road and get, you know, stopped that way, then I think that we all know where this is going. I have a question about how.

I feel like we're into a, I feel like we could see, though, a tiger like a blue block tweet here soon though. Just to a official statement. Very soon. It does feel that way. Like there's one comment that's going to be pretty. It's going to be really positive. I do think it's got to be positive, but it's going to give, like,

directive of where we're going next with Tiger Woods. Maybe a goal of, like, a tournament he wants to play or something, right? Like, we're aspire, where we have aspirations to play in the 2020 Masters. Like, that is our next goal. No, I actually, you know, now that I'm thinking about it.

He's never done stuff like that. No, no, he would never do that. What I think is going to happen, and it happened the last time around, it'll be a video. Be a video of him doing light shipping. Remember on like the simulator all of a sudden, like hit a nine iron to like a foot on a simulator that was the only video that we saw right right right

that was that was yes yep it was directly behind him yeah i remember it dude and then like a month later he was in a black he was in a he was in black pants and a red polo on the tea at medalist that just ripped a drive down the middle and he and it just wrote like feeling pretty good right the captions were yeah they were humble captions he's like i think i can still do this and but he's clearly like rehabbing as hard as he possibly can be. I don't think we'll get the Blue Block tweet until, until he commits to a tournament. Like that's the next one.

Unless it's a setback, which I doubt they'd even apologize. Or some informative tweet of like this is kind of what we're doing going forward. It'll, yeah. The next one's going to, it feels like a big one. I still, he always, I have my notifications turned on for him.

And it's just a lot of, TGR tweets, just so many. I look at it and it says Tiger Woods tweet and I'm like, oh, maybe it's something, you know, with his injury. Nope, it's TGR. So I think a video is next for him. That's usually the step. Dude, get this. His last blue block tweet, when do you think it was?

March. February? When was the crash? February? Yeah, like late, early, maybe mid-February. I'd say late March. It was April 7th. Yeah.

And it was him basically thanking the L.A. County Sheriff's Office for just protecting the fuck out of him and not releasing anything. Right. We don't have to go back through it. But I believe they said, we know why he crashed and we're not telling you. Yeah, it was like, okay. Okay. I think that was the exact verbion. Man, this is a very funny.

I received word from the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department that their investigation regarding my traffic, and back on February 23rd in Los Angeles has been completed and closed. I am so grateful to both the Good Samaritans who came to assist me and called 911. I am also thankful to the LASD deputies and L.A. Firefighter Paramedic Special Al-L. for helping do expert, blah, blah, blah. I will continue to focus on my recovery and family. Thanks everyone for overwhelming support and encouragement I've received through this difficult time. You're welcome.

But he did, just the last Blue Block one was to say, thank you for closing the investigation. It's basically what he said. Uh, that's April 7th. That's six months ago. Six months. We haven't seen shit from him. So yeah, he's, the next one better be big. He can't just put out like, feeling pretty good in recovery. Like, his next one needs to be big.

I think it's a video. Or, or. Or, or a picture of him on the range with a bucket of balls next to him or something like that. Yeah. Like, per- Our own picture. Yeah, progressing nicely or something like that. You know how easily we could just fake a Tiger Woods release right now? We could just take a picture of him from the past with him on a range with a bucket of balls, put the sleeve on his leg and then just Photoshop it.

That would go crazy viral. People would hate us. It's risky business. It's risky business, but that would go, that would get some numbies. Well, if we did that, we wouldn't, we couldn't put it out from our channels. No, fuck that. We'd put it out from some burner account. We would just retweet it.

Right. Whoa. Whoa. Wow. Oh my God. Oh. Whoa. Can't believe it here.

Can't believe it. It's written exactly how Fordplay writes all their tweets. Okay. I have a question. I have a real question, a real question about health care for a second. Oh, boy.

How did they know when I first got my surgery that I didn't go in there and just fucking like shoot my nerve? And then I went like, like I wasn't like negligent about like my first surgery. I didn't talk to anyone from the health, from big health care. They just approved it.

You know what I mean? They don't know how it got there. The problem is, is the incredibly short amount of time from the first one to the second. So we'll wait a little bit. You don't have that kind of time. You know what I mean? I'll wait a little bit.

My point is like they didn't know how I got injured the first time. What if I was like a fucking idiot? I took a knife and I was like, I'm going to fucking go get surgery. But why would you do that? I get hard on surgeries. They don't know who I am, what kind of shit I'm into. I think the problem is you're trying to get another one so soon. They're going to be like, what's going on here?

Right. And I would say like if you are a high, risk living human being, you pay more for health premiums and whatnot. So if they're like that is, they're there to protect themselves. So I'm just worried that they're going to look at the evidence, look at like, okay,

this guy hadn't had surgery on his elbow ever, had surgery, uh, was extremely public about not caring about his surgery and the need surgery. I care about the surgery. Why are we going to pay for that? I care about the surgery. I just have to go back to work.

Like healthcare people need to realize that you got to go work. You know what I mean? My work just happens to be playing the drums and plushed. Their argument might be, well, then if your work is going to just continue to make us have to pay thousands for surgery every two months, we're not paying for your surgery. You're out of here. That's my concern for you. I hope your eyes go back. That was me.

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have the option to adopt or not to adopt, which essentially is telling everyone that there's going to be two sets of rules. If you're an amateur and you're like us, slapping it around, go ahead and use however long driver you want. Sure, we don't care if you are, you know, on the PGA tour, the PGA tour has adopted this new rule that is a recommendation from the USJ and R&A. Then players in the PGA tour and LPGA tour, et cetera, you know, cannot use a driver longer than 46 inches. Phil Mickelson came out immediately when this was announced and was against it,

when this was pros, and then when it was announced this week yesterday that they're going to indeed adopt it. It's going to start in 2022. Phil Mickelson wrote, quote, he quoted, Stupid is as stupid does, and then cited Mrs. Gump. And then he wrote, really, though, are the amateurs trying their best to govern the professional game the stupid ones or the professionals the stupid ones for letting them? So Phil was extremely vocal, I would say,

against this move by the USJN RNA, JT. Just Thomas responded and just said, awful, was the only thing that he said. So clearly they're against it. I imagine on this show we're against it as well. I think we've said for a while, like doing two sets of rules is really dumb because you're going to get all these hardos that are then like,

oh, are you not playing by the way that the PJ tour people play? That scores invalidated and it leads to a whole shitty part of golf where the real, one of the great intrigues of golf is this idea that you can go play a hole, any hole in the world that PJ Tour pros play, the best players in the world play, you might hit two of your best shots of your life and play that hole better than somebody.

Frankie, eighth hole at Pebble Beach, has been saying for years now. It's the only thing he ever says whenever we bring up the U.S. Open that, like, oh, I bet every player in the field would have taken the way I played that.

They would have. That's one of the cool parts about golf. Three wood to the end of the first fairway. Wind was, I don't know, what would you guys say? It was 15, 20 miles an hour left to right. Maybe hurting a little bit. Definitely hurting a little bit.

It took a six iron. Caddy told me hang it out left. I hung it out left. came right back in with a nice little baby draw, back of the green, rolled towards the green, rolled towards the pin. Let's call it 10, 15 feet for bird. Of course, missed the birdie putt, never even gave a chance. It was short the whole way.

Tapped it in for a nice par. Many pros, many pros take that during the U.S. Open. I mean, the average score on that hole is like a 4.5. To hurt these types of stories and memories, we've been very much against, and in general to really try to bring back. and make the game harder, make it more difficult, bring back, you know, the distance. We just, mostly we've been against it.

And there's certain things that I imagine like we could debate and before in that, but the length of the driver has seemed a little bit ridiculous to us and just generally something that we're not crazy about. It'll be very fascinating to see how the players overall, you know, accepted if it's just going to be adopted, which it sounds like it is, if there's going to be a lot of bitching, if there's going to be a lot of pushback, if the USGA and R&A will care about that. But I'm not sure if anybody else has any thoughts

on the reaction thus far or just the move in general. So we were just talking about big guys. And what if like Shaq makes the PGA tour? Because I saw the 46 inch cut. He was like, he has, is that just a hard fastened rule? It's not like percentage of height. Like, I don't know.

That was my only thing that jumped in my brain. I'm not for restricting drive. because, like, yes, you're probably more accurate. Yes, you're probably shorter. But that reward somebody taking the risk of a longer shaft to hit the ball a little bit further. Maybe it's a little bit more offline. I'd rather just never acknowledge this rule. But with that, is there, and does anybody know, is there any like, oh, Shaq's on a PG8 tour so he can use a 60 inch driver?

So you're saying if a 7-2 player comes along, does he have to abide by these same restrictions? Yeah. I mean, everybody does. I think he does. It's not based on proportionate of height, right? It's just the length. Right. That's ridiculous to me.

It's unfortunate for the big boys. Yeah, it is. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, big boys. Hmm. I would like to see a 7-2 golfer, now that we're bringing that up, a pro-7-2 golfer, that'd be amazing. Who's the tallest golfer of all time? Is a VJ Singh?

No. He's a tall dude. It's pretty tough. Tallest player on PGA Tour. Isn't there that Norwegian Newlander or something like that? Patton Kassier's pretty tall. He's the one who, Patten Kassier always jumps to mind. He's 6'5, Pat and Kizier.

Yeah, he's really tall. Tallest player of all time, I believe, is Phil Blackmar. How tall was he? Six, seven. Patent Kisier is right there. There's somebody out there that's now six, that's six foot eight, it sounds like. Oh. Oh, yeah.

Remember that guy, John Thompson? there was a couple pictures of him. Oh yeah, he's massive. He's massive. I got tagged in his photos a tonne. Here we go. Jordan Hahn, he recently made,

became the tallest person. How tall? 6-8. Wow. This guy, it says this small. This guy, Thompson,

6 foot 9, competed in his first major Thursday. So I think he, I don't know that he was technically on like the PGA tour circuit, but I think he qualified for the British Open. So he was like the tallest. player ever to tee it up on either PJ or European tour because obviously a major counts, but he qualified, I think, for the Open Championship.

He's six foot nine out there. So yeah, you tell me this guy's just like, hey, dude, I'm really tall and I need a really tall club, and they're just going to say, no, that seems wild to me. Right. I would love to know his driver length. Like, if he has to shorten it up by five, six inches, now he's got to get a whole new swim. Right.

Is he using a... He's got to use 46. Right, right. Is he currently using a 50-something? I would love to know. Oh, I would love to know, yeah. Where's his specs at? Pictures of this guy are outrageous. He's huge.

I remember I had forgotten about him, but you guys... What's his name again? John Thompson, right? Yeah. I think that's right. I see this guy. I do believe that the current rule, though, is 48 inches is the max. Oh, okay. If that's the case, then we're...

I didn't know there was a hard... I think they're just dialing it back two inches. I think they're dialing it back two inches. But either way, I mean, either way, the point being, like, I don't think the rule is based on your height. So I think that's just the rule. I think the rule is 48 inches. Now they're going to change it to 46.

People are not happy about that in terms of some folks on the PGA tour. Right. Like, how much do they consult, if at all, with PGA tour players before they make a decision like this? Like, they had to know that there were people who were not going to be happy about it. And you've got two gigantic star. in the game of golf and Phil Mickelson and Justin Thomas, who as soon as the decision came down, they teed off, no pun, on the USGA about this decision. It's like, at some point

you got to consult somebody. So one thing that Phil Mickelson said, he said, is it extremely, it is extremely disappointing to find out that the PJA tour adopted the new USGA rule through the media. I don't know of any player who had any say or any kind of representation in this matter. He put kind of a, hmm, uh, thinking, um, And he said, I do know many are wondering if there's a better way, which is a funny way to phrase it. So I guess the answer to my question is no in Phil's world. He doesn't know a single person who they talk to about this decision. Now, I do want to say, Millie Fick at Mickelson's on Twitter responded,

love you, Phil, but every sport, indeed, every profession needs independent governing bodies. Golf is no different. And then Phil responded to Millie Fick. True, but ignoring information from those who understand the game better than anyone is negligent at best, which I agree with Phil. And there should be independent company bodies, but there should also be at least some input. It's not like the players should be the only ones determining everything or the only ones whose input matters. But it should be weighted and counted to some degree, I would say. I agree with that.

I think Phil very much obviously agrees with that. And that's, I guess my question, like, how much did they do? It sounds like very little. But that's, again, coming from Phil. So he obviously wants to be as, you know, up in arms about it as he possibly can be. But if they didn't ask around at least a little bit, big miss. Big miss. Yeah, and I think we're pretty much under the, we've been under the stance for years now of,

we want to see golf balls being hit to the moon. Like, you know, we've been told by manufacturers. we interviewed those guys who came on here that, you know, they have technology where if it was allowed, they could put it in people's hands and they could just hit the ball like 450 yards because it, you'd be, and we're like, yeah, just let's just do that. If you can control that, that'd be incredible. Like, Bryce and DeShaba was must watch TV when he drove, you know, when he drove the fucking green or hit it over the water at Bay Hill and then went like that, like he's a WWE wrestler.

I mean, we got a guy that listens to the show who framed that, put it on his wall behind him when he plays video games. It's like, that is must-see TV. The Ryder Cup, obviously the first hole when Bryson was flexing his muscles and then drove the green and made an eagle too. That drives eyeballs. That's amazing. We have people at the U.S. Amateur at Oakmont who were taking wildly different lines hitting in different fareways because now they can hit the ball so far. And again, I think that that is quite intriguing.

I think like for the 0.000-0-0-0-0-1 percent of golfers who are now so good at the game, there could be tweaks made. two courses. We've seen a lot of courses like Riviera has stood up over the test of time as an extremely difficult golf course. Scores aren't that low. Bay Hill, very similar. A lot of years, scores are in the single digits under bar that win those tournaments. So there are ways to protect scores so people aren't 25, 30 under all the time. But bottom line is like, you know, breaking 80 at the old course at St. Andrews used to be considered an unimaginable task, even for the best players in the world, for old and young Tom Morris, guess what? Now people shoot like 59s and stuff.

The game just progresses and gets better. And to try to completely stop that or panic about one aspect of it because players are just hitting it too far seems very, very extreme and an overreaction. I agree. It does bring it allowed to bring some courses back, which is kind of interesting. Like some courses that just haven't been played in a long, long time. Like that would be cool to see different courses potentially on the PGA tour. What is your fix for people just bombing it over anything?

There's no fix. Just tee it up. If they hit it a country mile under the green, that's fine. For the most part, yes, I think that's fine. And I don't think, right, like there have been, Bryson is the example of this, right? He just spends 100% of his time. He's doing speed training. He does world-long drive content.

Bryson has weeks where he hits it sideways. He had a few months ago at the British Open. And he just said my driver sucks and he was all furious because that course Royal St. George has been around forever is designed in a way. We're like, yeah, if he was driving it really straight, like Kyle Morikawa or not, he would have had a huge advantage. But he was driving it a little bit sideways and he played pretty terrible for him. And it's not like he wins every single week, right? And so I think the reason I think it's a little bit of an overreaction is just because like it's not only like Morikawa is not the longest driver in the game. You know, like he won a major championship.

Like there are players who can still play the game based on different strengths and have a lot of success. So it's not like that has just completely ruined the entire game of golf. And there's one guy who is found who is doing this, you know, the distance thing that don't get me wrong. There's other people hitting it far. But one guy has like completely transformed his body. It's the only thing he ever does. he doesn't have family, he doesn't do anything else to the point of Kevin Gisner's like, that guy needs to like get laid and have a family. So like it seems a little bit of an overreaction.

I think that's why Phil responded that way. I think that's why J.T. responded that way. Yeah, I agree. I mean, I feel the big fear is that Bryson does what he did, the wing foot at like Augusta or something of that nature, I think is like the fear of golfers, where they just don't want that to happen, where he's hitting in a spot, hitting 60 degree wedges. and honestly playing a different golf course. So I feel like that one example is a big enough risk that it's like we got to change it. We have to shorten these clubs. We can't let the ball go that far.

Yeah, not super supportive. But I will say if there's tournament, like especially for the majors, not supportive. But if there's some tournaments over the course of this year that like they add different courses in that we haven't seen in a long, long time. And it's saying upon entry like it's 46 inch drivers, if that alone feels. stupid to say, like it feels gimmicky, but part of me is not totally against that, honestly, in one way or another, just because I love seeing new courses on the PGA tour. I do too.

And I, like, the biggest, I do think the biggest argument for dialing back distance is sort of the agronomy of it, right? Like, it costs, if we just keep having to build golf courses bigger and bigger, watering those courses, keeping the grass, taking up more of planet Earth, where there's only night space by just expanding golf courses. It goes on forever. Like there are now homes and buildings and streets and stuff that like you just can't do that forever. And then the other one is obviously bringing back or allowing as many golf courses in the world to be able to, if they're kept in the right shape, like be a test for the best players in the world. But I think the number one thing that like

Jack has mentioned, that Tiger Woods has mentioned, has been dialing back the golf ball. Like if there's a, if there's a way in engineering to just say, okay, the ball goes 20, percent less far now. You don't have to worry about drivers and that entire part of the industry or the clubs or the grooves. And you could just bring back the distances by the golf ball by, you know, 20 percent. Like then the golf ball that's still better than the other golf balls is still going to be better because it's now just 20.

I don't know scientifically if they could do that. I've heard people say that all the time. But if they could do that in the way that it seems like people think that they can, that seems like a much better option than like, oh, now the drivers just can only be two is shorter than it used to be able to be. That feels a little bit like a band-aid or something, you know what I mean? For sure. What do you mean?

Do we think that Bryson is at or near the ceiling of driving distance or would, could it keep going even further? No, because I would say they thought that, like you could find quotes from like the 1930s where they thought that where they're like, this is getting a little ridiculous. I don't know if anybody could hit it farther than this. I guess we've just never really seen somebody attack it like Bryson, where he is legitimately trying to hit the ball. as far as a human can hit a ball.

And at some point, that's got to max out. I understand what you're saying where you can't keep building these bigger and bigger golf courses because there's not all that much land. But like, I really think, and again, I could be wrong, but that Bryson's got to be close to as far as you can hit a golf ball. I agree with that. Yeah, but I think that's the technology too. It's like, yeah, he might be swinging near like max human capacity

with like stability to make good contact. It would be that would be an interesting study. like what the human body can actually take. But I agree. Like as, you know, if they make an advancement in the ball or if that keeps improving, like, oh, you know, because it does feel like every year or every other year, Taylor made or some, you know, comes out with, hey, our ball goes another five or 10 yards further.

They're on, you know, 100 mile an hour swing or whatever the case may be. Sure. So I think that's the biggest risk. And like, then you're just taking away golf courses. So it does. Trent, it does feel that way. Like I think that when a heat starts swinging. but like a year ago when he came out here,

it was like he was at, you know, 190 or something ball speed and everyone was like, holy shit. Dude, then he was changing the way between a month and a half ago that he was preparing for PJ Tour events to prepare for the world long drive where he then was hitting it further.

So in like a few months he was able to figure out how to hit it a little bit further. Now you're going to give people the human species 30 years. Like I feel like in 30 years they're going to be hitting it. Somebody will be hitting it way farther, even though it seems. incomprehensible right now. Yeah, I guess to me, at some point, your knees have to explode. Your lower half just has to explode. But then it's like Lurch is saying, what are the

advancements in equipment? And that's the difference. Yeah, and that, it does get tricky because like every landing zone at different courses is potentially different. Like, it's not going to be, hey, on a driver, you should hit a 260 every time. Like sometimes it calls for a little bit further. like that Tita landing zone isn't always consistent on course to course based on how far they can stretch it back. So if they were to make any changes to say the golf ball, which I do agree is like the most consistent like issue to solve, then you'd almost have to change it per course, which now seems like the stupidest thing in the world.

Why would you have to change it per course? Well, if Tita Green is different each time or like Tita landing zone of the fairway should be different each time. I guess you wouldn't. I guess you, hey, you, never mind. I played that out of my head.

I think that's crazy time. 100%. But like Bryson said, Bryson said after the World Long Drive, but when he was like, just talking it out, I'm with it. When he was like, this is really going to,

like what I've developed in the last whatever to prepare for the World Long Drive is going to really help me on the PGA tour because even on spots now where like my distance always helps where he's like if the max you want to hit the ball on a par four where there's bunkers everywhere, is like 280. Someone else might be having to rip a three wood perfectly, 280, whereas he's like,

I could hit like a five iron out there that far. So that distance is helping him all of the time where he's like, it's way easy for me to hit a six iron or five iron or four iron, you know, than it is for somebody else and the dispersion rate over 72 holes and like ultimately gives me a little bit of an advantage. So, you know, the distance thing is obviously always going to be a discussion and it's been a discussion forever. But like, it's going to be a discussion going on into the future for the history of golf. And guess what? Like hitting it further will just always be an advantage. Like Bryson DeShambo spends his time in Chris Como's fucking, you know, fantasy factory there in Dallas ripping and ripping and ripping and doing speed drills and cranking music while Kevin Gisner's

having a bottle of wine and like living a little bit of a normal life in Aiken. Like that man is probably going to have an advantage when he shows up on the golf course. And I think that just makes sense to people. Right. And I remember when the Bryson stuff first started and it worked and he won at Wingfoot. We were worried that this was going to spawn an entire generation of people who were going to try to hit the ball like this. Dude, if you watch what Bryson has to do, I actually think it might have the opposite effect.

Like nobody wants to be doing what he's doing. He's the only guy in the world willing to put in that type of work. And I really think if you looked at that as an up-and-coming, professional golfer, you would say, I'm going to figure out a different way. I don't want to be in that fantasy factory swinging as hard as I can, probably blowing my knee out at some point. Like, I'm just going to try to get better at putting. Yeah, 100%. I mean, at a certain point, like, people rest on their laurels. Well, you know, it's like, you're just like okay, like Kisner. You know, obviously he works his ass off, but he's not

going to that level extent. And then there was, like, I think our guy, Maddie Fitz even said, like, well, I could put on like 15 or 20 pounds too. Like, this is ridiculous what he's doing. I don't know if you guys remember those comments. It's like, and then obviously he didn't go through with that. He was like the first guy on the tour who to chirp Bryson about the whole thing. We talked about how it's like physically impossible for him to do that. He doesn't have the frame.

It's like me saying, well, I'm just going to go get really jacked and buff and hit the ball 400 yards. I can't even pick up a club right now. Right. Bryson has that frame. I remember the first time that we saw him in person rigs at the Zurich Classic when he was on the driving range. And I did not realize that he has the body of a linebacker. Like he has the frame of a linebacker. You can put weight on that.

He is thick. You can put weight on a body like that. And look, there's this obsession with golf of trying to make everything completely fair, right? The handicap system, the distances, the fact that, you know, golf should be more about artistry and the shaping of shots. And you shouldn't. There's an advantage to having a certain physical frame. If you are born 6 foot 9 and you're really good at basketball and you're born 5 foot 9 and you're really good at basketball, there is an enormous advantage to the guy that's 6 foot 9. That is an aspect of sport.

That is going to be an aspect of golf. The more and more and more that golf has evolved into, you know, more athletes taking over and playing the game than it used to be. That's going to continue to be an advantage and should always be an advantage. And I just feel like golf, again, for whatever. reason is constantly striving to like try to remove that advantage or at least diminish it. And I don't like I almost think you could argue that it's unfair that way. That like why are you trying to remove this, you know, athletic feet? Like being able to hit the ball and working your dick off to hit the ball incredibly far is a

huge advantage. Why should they be focused on trying to take that advantage back? And this affects like we always say, 0.000,000, 0.001% of people. Like whenever we go to golf courses and we're, somewhat capable golfers. We're able to put the ball in the air and then eventually in the hole. It's a good way to put it. It's a good way to put it.

Like, we're looking sometimes to, like, move up a tee, or like, we're having discussion. Should we go 6,700 yards or 64? Do we want to have more fun today and go 61? Like, distance for us is not an issue. Like, they don't need to be expanding these golf courses into parking lots and into houses and into condos. Like, the golf courses are long enough as they are. Like, they're almost too long.

Like, when we show up to a Bethpage Blackson, style course. We're like, what animal made this? Like, why are we doing this today? So the fact that, like, they look at golf in general based off of a Bryson DeShambo really just irritates me. Like, I'm like, that's not where golf is going. Golf is not the 140 guys on tour. That's not what golf is. It's the professional league, for sure. We love to watch it. It's what we talk about 10% of time on this podcast. But that's not golf. That's not the sports. We all play golf. We go to Eisenhower.

We go to the local country clubs. Like that is what, that's where the sports on it progress. The millions of people that play it not on PGA tour that don't care about the distance. So like I'm done hearing about this fucking. And I think that's my point. I'm done talking about it. And I think that's part of what Phil meant when he said they adopted this rule through the media, where they're just seeing all these headlines about what's been going on the last 18 months with Bryson.

And they're like, we got to change something. when it's like you're looking at the wrong part. The difference between golf and other major sports like baseball, if they want to adopt a new rule in baseball, that affects baseball, right? Like every single player that plays it has aspirations to become a professional. When you're in high school, when you're in college, when you're in the minor leagues, when you're MLB,

you're trying to make it to that professional level. The professional level is the sport. So when they change the bats, when they do this, that makes a massive difference to the future of the sport. We are golf. You know what I mean? The people that play, we are. the people that play the sport. We the people. We are the ones they're making the rules for.

That is like, you know what I mean? It's just, it blows my mind that they're not seeing that and that they're having these like UN type meetings. We are the people. We are golf. We are golf. And like, they're having these UN type meetings about like four guys that hit the ball just a little too far for them. I completely agree. I completely agree. And it'd be one thing if they were doing this for those players, that small group, and those players are like, yep, but those players are the ones that are most vocally saying it's fucking stupid. So that's like, what are we really doing this for? And I think that Phil had a good point where he's like, they're just responding to media

and a small sect of like golf media, golf social, whoever that are really, really upset about the distance and not thinking, you know, because basically people respond to like headlines and like a few hashtags that are going against them and people panic about it. it when in reality I don't know that that's 100% the case. They're also acting like... Bryson has won 13 majors already and like this is a problem. Like this guy's taking over the sport. We got to wrangle this thing back.

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understand kind of that golf goes back six, seven hundred years. The first ever known recording of kind of golf taking place or what a lot of people reference is actually February 26th, 1297. What? In Leonin? Where? Hold on. Yeah, sometimes you copy paste off, and then it gives it that to you that really light orange font on the notes app. You could barely read it.

Right. Leonin gone de vect. It's basically the Dutch, all right? The Dutch played a game with a stick and a leather ball. Dutch vaster. What was that? What is it? Can't think of it? This is one of those broken brain moments.

I just quoted the movie and I can't think of the movie. Dutch bastards. You Dutch bastards. It's not awesome powers. It's awesome powers. Okay, there are. That's right. I thought that was too.

That's right. Nope, that's right. All right. So it's the Dutch in 12. What was it? 1291? 7. February 26th, 1297.

Okay. They recorded, they recorded a, a game in which they used a stick and a leather ball, and the winner was declared by whoever hit the ball with the fewest amount of attempts into a target several hundred yards away. That's golf, baby. Sounds like golf to me. Now, what's often referenced the most as sort of the first real true records

that golf was existing and was legitimate was James the Seconds Act of Parliament on the 6th of March 1457, where he banned golf and football because they wanted their capable, you know, males to focus more on archery and military training because they had a weak monarchy and they wanted people to focus on archery. It was banned for a very long time for hundreds of years, even though people continued to play. And then the first known rules that were ever implemented were in 1744. They were called the Articles and Laws in Playing at Golf. and they were drafted by the gentleman golfers of Leith,

also known or later known as the Honorable Company of Edinburgh Golfers, which I would say the Honorable Company of Edinburgh Golfers is such a great way to describe a group that we might want to consider throwing that in with Foreplay. But during the next 100 years, individual codes were adopted by more than 30 different clubs. Many of the copied were borrowed literally liberally from the 13 articles, which again was the thing I referenced earlier, many of those over the next 100 years. So between 1744 mid-1800s, a lot of the rules that we still use today were adopted then, including the rule for an unplayable lie, things like that.

Now, where it gets very interesting was much tweaking and evolution over time took place. For example, there were various procedures for how to put a ball back into play when taking relief for a ball and a water hazard. So obviously, to best understand this, back of the day, golf was sort of emerging in different. different places, right? Like St. Andrews, Edinburgh, we talked about the Dutch earlier, but there wasn't the fucking internet. There wasn't a ton of conversation. So each place would kind of have their own set of rules. And even today, like when we hit a ball into a water hazard, we're still asking each other. Like, what's, can I drop here? Like where exactly can I go? It's like, uh, it's like beer pong. It's like beer pong. Exactly. Local rules. It's exactly right. Local rules.

The definite or the rule to put a ball back into play when taking relief from hitting a ball into the water back in the day had multiple different ways that that areas did it. In St. Andrews, in 1754, the rule was you just throw the ball at least six yards behind the hazard. Okay. Unreal. I like that rule a lot. Okay. So I interpret that as you literally just had to like wherever it went in, you just had to turn around and you had to try to throw it probably like six yards and one inch would be probably the best like throw that you could have. Right. If you undershot it or underthrew it, would they make you rethrow it?

You probably had to rethrow it. And then imagine they'd be out there measuring. Like, dude, you didn't throw that six yards and you had to try to rethrow it. Pelley stroke after three bad drops. Like three bad throws. You got to just throw it better. So the third one, you just got a hook. Right.

In 1776 at Brunsfield Links, the rule was you just throw the ball overhead with no provision as to how far. So you hit the ball in a water hazard, then you would just stand in a spot, you take a penalty shot, then you would just stand where it went in, and you could just throw the ball as far as you want it. You could advance it, you're saying? It says throw the ball overhead with no provision as to how far. Unreal. I like that a lot, too. That's a good rule. I was actually, I was thinking as I was reading through these that we should consider in some of our matches, just adopting rules from like a certain time.

If we can find the first rules at a certain golf club that we're playing, those should be the rules that we play. I like adopting, yeah, like you're saying, or even just finding, you know, pulling one out of a hat and being like, all right, today we're playing this club's rules today and then we're just throwing golf balls around. I got to tell you, you guys are going to love, I think from 1812 in St. Andrews,

and you guys are going to love this one the most. You hit a ball into a water hazard. You tee the ball and play it from behind the hazard. Yep. Yep. That's a good rule. Absolutely. How good is that?

I mean, on a par five, it becomes beneficial. You just pound it in the hazard, and then you tee it up from there and smash one up to the green. It's so beneficial. Right. It's the best rule of it. It's strategic to hit it into the water in that case. You're like get in the water, creep in the water.

Yeah, get in there. Right, you're hitting three teed up. Right, perfect. No problem. Because if I don't do that, I got to hit hybrid wedge up there anyway, to the same spot. Minds well just hit a driver and save everybody time. Yeah, imagine, too, like the guy next to you is just his ball ended up like a yard

short of the water and he's buried in this brutal rapid spot. And you're just, you're two yards left to him, just T and one. up with your driver take a little practicing you just roast a driver out there this sounds like uh my dad's rules by the way i think my dad is definitely 1812 that's where he got it from the 1812 st andrew's book he was inspired by them that's right uh in before you go into the next one boys i got to go back to my world of axon go back to drone sales so i love you all i'll talk to you later see a big man bye it by large go get them time is there right now Keep going, Riggs.

2.309, the Honorable Company, which I mentioned earlier, they came up with the rule that you face the hole and drop the ball overhead, which is not that dissimilar from really what we were doing. It's more of like a mic drop, though. Yeah, it does feel like a mic drop. Yeah, you're right. And it feels a little bit more random. Like that ball comes in with a little more velocity.

Right. I like that the best so far. Well, aside from team it up, I like that better than the knee high. The knee high one makes you look like a like a pansy. In 1825 in Perth, you drop the ball over the shoulder. So I think you would just do this. It's like when you spill salt on the table.

Exactly. Okay. And then. I don't hate that one. From 19, and these pretty much all were eventually looped into dropping the ball. back over your shoulder like this from like the basically forever until 1984 that's how people did it was the way we kind of just described and then 1984 yeah yeah they used to drop the ball in crazy fashion like that's literally how they used to drop you have to face backwards I believe

and then drop it reverse over your shoulder like towards the whole kind of why have I never seen that there has to be clips of that no I I believe that there are. I want to pull some up so badly. Dropping a golf ball 1975. Let's write that. Yeah. Let's see what that pulls up.

So Tiger Woods dropped a ball like that in his life? I would, me, Tiger was born late 70s, I believe? He was born 75. So yeah, he was 10 years old. Obviously, he was playing at a very young age. Right. Eight-year-old tigers dropping the ball behind his back like that?

I'd love to ask him that question. the way. Probably not the hard-hitting tire questions that people would want, but I want to know if he's ever dropped a ball behind his back like that. God, all these responses are so like, um, he, when I Google it, it's like, oh, this is how you're supposed to drop a golf ball. And it's all this bullshit, brutal stuff from the USGA. No offense.

We do like the USGA. Dropping a golf ball 1975. Got to be something. How to hit a golf ball. That's all the. Boy. I don't need that. I probably see that.

video. I want to say until 1984, that is literally how they dropped the ball. And then in 1984, my research showed that it was first implemented that you dropped the ball from shoulder height facing the hole. So I do believe until 1984, you literally dropped the ball like this. Man, if people can find clips of that, send them to us, tweet them at us, email them to us because I want to see it. I think that's incredible.

Now, another example, again, of these same rules, where you had different rules, ping pong, basically ping pong rules, local rules, when a player played the opponent's ball or a wrong ball, and 1828 in Blackheath, the opponent plays the ball as it lies and there is no penalty. So if you play your opponent's ball, your opponent just gets to play the ball from there. Whoa. I thought it was going to be you chop off their head. Like that feels like such a violation that if you are in the 1700s, like there could be some blood spilled. And it would be within the rules.

But they just get to play it, huh? The opponent plays the ball as it lies and there is no penalty. The way of these hit your opponent's ball in the water. Right. That's what I was thinking. Oh, true. I was thinking of the positives. Go play it.

Go play it, buddy. Go play it, buddy. Well, that all stems back to the golfs a game of honor, right? like you shouldn't be doing stuff like that. Oh, that's right. What if you did it on accident? What if you just topped one into the water? And you're like, oh, that was your ball.

Frankie? Sorry, buddy. I don't know how that worked. In 1815 in Aberdeen, the opponent has the option to claim the stroke or to replace the ball within one yard of its original location and play it. So essentially, that seems like, that seems fair. Where you're like, yeah, you roasted it on the green to five feet. I'm like, yep, I'm going to play it from there.

and if you top it in the water, you're like, no, I'm just going to hit it from where it was. Right. That rule was made after what happened, what we just talked about, where guys were hitting other balls into the water. They're like, we got to make a rule here where I don't have to take that shot. That's interesting. Right. Right. In the late 19th century was obviously all kinds of innovation, design, materials used in golf balls. The clubs changed a lot, which led to disputes about equipment, what was acceptable and what wasn't. in September 1891, the RNA formed a special committee to undertake a major revision of its code.

The resulting RNA code of September 1891 was soon widely followed, and several years later, the RNA became acknowledged as the rulemaking authority. The USGA was founded in 1894, so just a few years later. 1909, the need to issue many decisions made it clear that the new governing bodies that rules of golf would need regular review and revision. Four revised codes were issued in the first decade alone with the 1909 code being a particularly thorough revision. Changes in that code were primarily made to incorporate elements from more than 230 decisions from the past decade. So they largely looked at it as almost like they look at law now where it's like precedence.

They would look at rules and decisions that were made and they would just be like, yeah, that seems like the right one. And they would basically just bake it off or base it off of over 230 decisions that had been made in the last decade. In 1938, after many years of controversy that arose when some players began to use as many as 30 or more specialized clubs in one round. In 1938, the USDA adopted a 14 club limit. The RNA followed suit one year later. So up until 1938, you had people that literally would show up with as many as 30 plus

specialized clubs in their golf bat. I mean, how specific were these clubs? I'd love to, yeah, is there a museum of old, like, very specialized golf clubs? Now we really are doing the Mr. Borrell. 8.7 irons? Yeah. They had to be so specific for just, like, the shot that a guy couldn't hit. He's like, I'm making a golf club, so it's easy.

Him at a four and a half. Like a short-sided, yeah, short-sided bunker shot, then you have like a normal bunker shot. Then you got, like, why wouldn't you just have a shot for every single? single one of those or a club. It's a great point. It's an absolutely great point. There has to be a museum filled with old specialized golf clubs like that. And the only

negative would be, again, my caddy has to carry around 37 clubs today. I don't get, fuck it, I don't care. Who cares? Not me. I think we should bring that back. I would love to have. I'd love to have my numbers dialed in for each swing. You know what I mean? Again, this feels very Mr. Borrell. It does. It does. Like, I have a specific club when

I'm in rough. I have a specific club when I'm in the short stuff. I have a specific club when I have a 10-foot chip. Who knew your dad was such a historian? Gosh. A golf historian. Paying homage. Also in 1938, after long debate about the fairness of the historic concept of the stymie in match play, the USGA modified the stymie rule by allowing the lifting of the ball that created the stymie if the ball was within six inches of the hole. The RNA made no change, and this was reconciled only in 1952 when the stymie was eliminated. So up until 1952, the stymie existed where if you were blocking your opponent's ball on the putting ring, his direct line to the hole, people would just leave their ball there

and be like, go fuck yourself. You have to go around it or above it. Yep, the greatest game ever played that happens. The stymie was a huge strategic part of match playing. I was just going to say, I'm actually surprised that, I mean, that we got rid of that one. That one would have been amazing if it stuck around. You ever watched The Grace game ever play with Shire Labouf? Yeah, a long time ago.

At one point, the ball's in front of him, or maybe it's in front of Varner, and he just like chips over the ball and it goes in and everyone claps. Like, oh. Isn't there an old Arnold Palmer clip of him doing that? Is it Palmer or is it? Oh, yeah, because 1954. I mean, Palmer was playing before then. They should have kept those.

I think that would have added an incredible wrinkle. Could the guy, if he was like a nice guy, just put out in front of him? Probably, right? I believe so. I believe that was an option. Boy, what a fuck you if you just leave the ball there, right? We also lost... But I think it was commonplace to leave it there.

Like, I think you would have been considered almost really uncommon if you finished up and cleared the way. Gotcha. We also lost a great piece of golf terminology with Steinie. Yeah, you kept saying that, and I was like, I hope he explains it once he's done, because I don't want to sound stupid because I just didn't know where it was. what it was. Like, imagine we could still throw the word stymie around while we're playing golf. Like, oh, you really stymied him there.

And stymie is the act of just leaving a ball in front of another ball? Correct. An obstruction. I'm telling you, we can pick, like, we should be like stymie rule. We're going to play 1931. Love it. Yeah. Ball and a hazard rule.

We're going to play, you know, 1744 in St. Andrews. And that should just be the way that we play certain events and matches. and the rules are the rules. Like because why the fuck does it make any more sense for the rules to be what they are now than it did for them to be like, what if, oh, that that lines red. So I just take two club lengths. Why is that more accepted than, oh, yeah, you just tee it up and rip driver from here. Like what?

Like 200 years from now, they're going to be looking back at us being like, can you believe that they did this? Like it's, it's an ever evolving, ever changing thing. To the point, Trent, where there are many rules here that they implemented and then after a year or a few years, they just changed back because they determined that it was really stupid. Right. So within those two years, you know, it would have been insane to do the opposite of that rule, but then a year later, you're going back, like the thing that you probably wanted to do, you could now do. If that makes any sense.

It does, yeah. 100%. In the 1960s, in a continued effort to find alternatives to the need to take stroke and distance relief, the 1960 USGA code adapted a distance only penalty for balls lost or out of bounds and eliminated the provisional ball. These experiments ended a year later. So they basically then were like, yeah, we're not going to do this OB thing where you have to basically re-tee and hit a provisional. We're just going to get rid of that because that seems ridiculous for trying to speed up pace and play. And then after a year, they were like, ah, it was a mistake.

And they just went back. All of this to say, really, you don't have to take golf that seriously. Like when you view it through that lens where like everybody's like you have to do everything so it's perfect. And if you don't do it perfectly, you're out and you shouldn't be playing this gentleman's game. This thing, it's an ever evolving thing. Like, don't worry about it. Also, hopefully this opens people's eyes to the fact that like if I don't know the rule out there, you know, oh, I don't know the rule this month. I mean, all this shit changes from day to day, it seems like, right?

So when I'm on the course and I ask someone like, yeah, like what am I supposed to do here? Sometimes I feel like I'm being looked down upon when I say that stuff. Yeah. Oh, I don't know what I do here. Like, where do I drop? What am I line? What am I hitting? Yeah, sorry.

It was different last year. It's going to be different next year. It's going to be different the year after that. It seems like it's an ever-changing non-stop flow of rules. And if I don't know the rules, if I don't know your rules at this exact moment, I'm sorry. Yeah. You don't have to apologize. Yeah.

But I do really love the idea of every once in a while when we're playing, when we're shooting a video. implementing a certain era of rules and obviously making it very clear in the video what we're doing and then playing that way. I think that would be very fun. So if you're playing best ball with your partner, can you put in front of the other team and then they just can't get to the whole?

Right. Steinie is really the one that I want to do because I think that would be very fun. Yeah, the issue, yeah. Right. I mean, yeah, I think the issue is maybe you could give them a good, but what if you don't want to give it? What if they're three feet in front of it

and it's lurch putting, then you're in the decision of like, we're stymied, we could give it to him and then we're not stymied, but if we don't give it to it we have to figure out how to go around it or above it and hope that he just misses.

Right, or my, the thing that was in my head was like if Lurch and I were on the green in two each, and you guys are on the green in three, and we all had like, and like we all had 10 foot putts. And I putt in front of, of Riggs's ball. And now I'm putting for three and Riggs is

putting for three. Like I've just blocked him and now Lurch has a put for fucking three. You know what I mean? Like we've like just beaten him in that hole. We've like blocked you. You're not going to give that to me because like now we just beat you if you missed the put. Like it's it's amazing. It would also be funny to see you trying to hit a perfect

put that stops just in front of my ball between the hole. Right. It's almost more impressive thing getting on. Why don't you just hit that perfect put into the hole? Right. Right. Do I play defense or do I play offense here? What do I do I do? far and away more impressive to put the ball in front of the person's line because you have no idea where they're aiming at least you have a target with a hole what happens in that era of rules and you might not have it in front of you if if frankie hits my ball is it played as it lies he gets

executed on the spot definitely dude if if if it starts becoming like uh like i can knock your ball i'm just aiming for your ball and knock it off the green that might yeah then it's chaos and it's just like croquet, right? Right. Just chaos. This is very interesting. Since 1984, the volume of inquiries about the rules of golf has continued to be very high. The four-year revision cycle has resulted in substantial number of changes that everyone's

kind of aware of now. And they go on and on about how there's all kinds of different, you know, revisions each year, kind of to, it basically gets up to speed now where we've been paying attention. And, you know, you've had the anchored ban. You had in 2008, the definition of prohibited advice was revised to exclude information on distance so that players would be allowed to share distance information with each other or obtain it from others without penalty. So it used to be you couldn't obtain any information about distance from other players, whereas now you could. And that was only changed in 2008. So again, they just fucking change shit all the time.

And to go all the way back from like how ridiculous the rules were back in the day were different places played different rules for dropping golf balls. of that. They've had to tweak them so much now. They include like the difference between video evidence and not and how you can't, you know, something has to be visible to the naked eye and not based on HD slow motion replay. So the rules of golf has changed a lot. We're going to, quickly before we finish up this, speaking of TV, uh, Sling TV, if you love watching live TV, but you're tired of the high prices. Trust me, it's time to take care of your TV experience. It's time for you to get Sling. Sling is the place where your favorite channels like NFL Redzone, ESPN, MTV, and much more, all come together.

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Not mentioned it. Rory said today, I was in all those meetings when we discussed the distance and the length of the drivers and shafts. I was in all those meetings when we discussed it for quite a while, and I think the majority of players are on board with it. A different take. Which is a different take. would say it's not him saying almost every single player is on board with it. The majority of players, because, right, we've had two prominent players for them because him because of Justin Thomas, both basically were extremely against it in terms of their

statements. Rory says the majority of players were on board with it. So it sounds like we got a little bit of back and forth coming between the players. Is he saying that the majority of the players who were in those discussions were on board with it? because that's pretty clear. Or is he saying he has run an unofficial poll with people that he knows, golfers that he knows,

and they are on board with it? I think he's saying the majority of just golf players that their professionals are on board with it. Okay. I don't know if he's right about that. But he's Roy McElroy. I don't know if he's right about that either. Of course he was in the room,

him being like I was in the room. So, you know, yeah. I don't know. I think he's wrong. Well, he's on that. player advisory thing, right? Right. He's like, but yeah, that'd be interesting that he then would be because if Phil's saying there was no,

like if Phil was saying players weren't involved and then Rory's saying, I was in all those meetings we discussed it for quite a while. I think the majority of those, I guess what Phil, I guess there's a difference. I think Rory was in the talks with like PGA tour crew about it and adopting it, but that had nothing technically to do with the USGA and RNA making the decision to do it, which is very different. But, you know, we're a show that likes to get information correctly. So we got all that information to you.

You're welcome for doing that. We never, ever are wrong. That kind of ends our history lesson on the rules of golf. But I do think that the big takeaway from this should be that we should on maybe a handful of rules in each of our rounds. We should just use really old school adaptations of rules for certain instances. I like it. I don't at all. Yep.

I'm on board with that for sure. And I kind of disagree with Trent. I think we shouldn't not make it that clear to people so that people on the internet freak out at our different interpretation of the rules. I'm on board with that too. From the gallery. We haven't done from the gallery in a long time. Well, real quick, before we get into that,

did you guys see Bryson was on the Nelk Boys podcast? I think it's called Full Send. No. So he goes on this podcast. They're massive right down. Nelk Boys are huge. they moan in people's ears. I find it funny.

I mean, a lot of the things they do are probably really cringy on the internet, but when they moan in people's ears on the golf court, it's pretty fucking funny. But they have this massive podcast. They're getting shit crazy, crazy fucking numbers. And Bryson goes on it. It was a huge thing for him because, like, Bryson, you know, is back in the limelight.

Yep. Is he going to say something stupid? And he was classic Bryson, like, answering things like a nerd, but he was very self-deprecating, where he's like, I am a nerd. I'm the science guy. He talked about playing with Tiger Woods. Um, how tiger's a huge nerd too.

Like, there's a quote there where he's just like, Tiger's just as big of a nerd as I am. We talked about putting deeper than anyone's ever talked about putting. Like if you think about putting and how deep you can go, tiger goes deeper about putting, um, which was a funny quote. Okay. So I'm reading this golf.com. I bet Tiger goes deeper, you know?

Oh, yeah, he definitely goes deeper. Oh, yeah, but holes a hole. Based on all the evidences. Holes a hole, baby. Nick Pia Stowski. Okay. Um, basically broke down a lot of, of Bryson's, um, quotes, but there was this one thing that really stuck out to me.

Basically, he's talking about how he was missing putts from such a short range, and he didn't understand why. It was a malfunctioned in his hardware in his computer system. So he says, so I did some study and some research on the golf ball and geometry of the dimples. And so this is getting a bit technical. So the dimples, and you can even hear the way he says it, right? And so this is getting a bit technical. So the dimples, they have edges on them, right?

and if you hit the dimple on the edge at the wrong angle, it can come off horizontally or vertically. So he says, so if you hit it at this angle, it will twist off and go online. But if you're hitting on the top or the bottom of the dimple, it will only affect the vertical launch. So when I was putting, I was missing putts from super close ranges because I was hitting it off the other edges of the dimples.

Now, this sounds insane, but it kind of makes sense. And I don't know that anyone's ever looked at the golf ball. this closely and realize like when you are putting that the dimples on the golf ball, if you're not hitting them perfectly on the flat part of the dimple, it goes left and right. I mean, dude, it makes sense. Can you fucking believe this guy?

A lot of these guys who miss short putts, they're like, I felt like I made a really good stroke, but it comes out and it lips out of the hole or it's or from a foot or two. It's because they're hitting the edges of the dimples. They're not looking close enough at the ball. The firmer you hit it, the more the golf ball compresses, so when you're hitting something a lot harder, it compresses it and doesn't come off at a weird

angle. when you're hitting it softer like a five-footer or a three-footer, you hit it a little bit off the edges it can now come offline. So he says you only see this when you're on the really, really short putts. You're really trying to sell us that you're a Bryson stand these days. I'm not a Bryce and San. I just think that's a really interesting thing to thought. You're the same guy who went in his neck a couple years ago when he sprayed water on the ball.

That's fake. He was simulating rain by spraying water on a golf ball. This is like... How is that any different? How is that any different? What do you mean how is that different? This is literally just like facts. He's saying that if you hit the ball on the edge of a dimple, it's going to go sideways.

I was saying that... How is your golf ball being wet on the range and then also being wet on the course and trying to simulate that not the exact same thing? Because it's not the same thing as rain. It's just spraying water on a golf ball. But it's water. But we all agreed that it like didn't simulate it at all. It was insane that he was hitting that in a perfectly clear day. The ball was going through just non-rain air.

He was spraying it on the ground. People even like debunk that it even made any sense. This is just like what he does when he puts. This is a factual thing. Every time he puts, he just does this. Like, he does hit the ball on the edge of a dimple and it goes sideways. That's my point.

It's actually a thing that we all can do. We're not going to go on a fucking... When a golf club strikes a golf ball and understanding how that impact is changed when the golf ball is wet is almost identical to understanding the differences between how a golf ball reacts when you strike a dimple on the side of it and not on the side of it.

I think they're both viable. He's not testing out, like, what it's going to do. He literally just putts on the middle of the dimple, is my point. Like that's just like, just like if you line up a put with the line on it. Like he just, this is something that I thought was interesting that we all could actually try and do. We're not

going to go out and soak our balls and water. I might. I might now. This is not anything similar in the way that he was trying to break our minds on how the ball will fly through the year because it had morning dew on it. This is something that I just thought

we all could literally just try and do it. Like, you know what I mean? Like, line up the dimple to your put. Does it not make sense? No, it does make sense. I just think it is very similar to the morning due. But it's not. It's not similar because he's, this is just something he's doing. He's not testing out any theories.

This is just like, this is just the way he puts. But he did have to test it at one point. He was like, oh, I wonder if this is going to make a difference. Yeah, but the same way, like, you test like, I don't know how high you fucking, how high you tee up a ball. I don't know. It's just like what he does. Right?

What do you mean it like line it up on the dimple? Like what do you mean? Like what is covered in dimples? You're going to, you know exactly where you're going to strike the ball with that big putter face on this off? How is that like significantly more defendable than the water thing? It is more defendable. Which temple you hit, Frank?

Huh? Which dimple? Well, what if you put a mark on it? You're going to be able to. strike that particular And, but if you aim for it. Which dimple, you're going to be able to strike the middle and not the edge of one of these on purpose.

It's an aiming point. It's not an aiming point. He's saying you have to strike it not on the edge, otherwise it won't come off the same way. You're going to do that. You're going to strike it right in the middle of one of these and not on the edge of it with the butterface? What? Yes. I mean, come on.

I really appreciate your commitment to becoming a Bryson D. Chambot fan. That's not me being a fan. I'm just saying that he looked at something that I wouldn't even think to look at on the putting putting putting morning do on my golf balls either when I hit him at the range. Oh, oh, make sure you hit the right dimple. There you go. Which dimple are you hitting with this thing? All right? You got these two different things, okay? And this thing on, this gray thing and this white thing, this great thing is going to strike the white thing inside of one of those dimples only You're telling me you're not going to look at dimples now

when you put on one foot putt No A dimple Oh you're crazy You're crazy You're crazy You're not going to try this out No

Riggs bar stool is not going to try this out I don't even know how you try it Try it out Right Listen to the podcast I'm just reading quotes You don't see any similarities here My point is like

This is like to me And obviously when you show me the ball It's super I mean, it's obviously probably impossible for the regular person to do it. Right. I'm saying, like, now that I'm looking at it, it's probably impossible for us to do it. My point was when I'm reading the quote, it's like, I thought it was actually pretty interesting.

I guess I was forgetting how small dimples are, but like, if we were able to, like, try and hit the middle of dimples, I could see why it would go sideways. Like, like, it does make sense why if you hit, like, the edge of one, I guess it would. Like, if you looked at a slow motion shot of a putting stroke and you hit the edge of the ball of the dimple, it would go more sideways than you thought. It seems almost impossible to consistently hit the center of a dimple. I do agree. I don't know how he does it.

I don't know how he does it. I don't know how he does it. I don't know how he does it. I don't know how he does it either. Oh, he's going to be on the tour. That's super. That's cute. 90 minutes in, baby.

Well, happy Gilmore, 90 minutes. Very nice. Very nice. Shudan McGavin. How does he do you? I will say this. I've always noticed that Tiger seems to ram his short putts in, like really short ones. Like they hit the back of the hole and I almost think like, God, did he hit that too hard?

So maybe he's on to the temple thing too. And maybe he and Tiger, I'm not sure. There we go. Maybe that was the most important part. So the firmer you hit it, the more the golf ball compresses. So when you're hitting something a lot harder, it's compressing it and doesn't come off at a weird angle. When you're hitting it softer, like a five-footer or a three-footer, you hit it a little bit off the edges.

It can now come offline. I'm not necessarily doubting that. Maybe he's not aiming for the- What I'm saying is that you a few minutes ago were defending that you're going to line up your ball based on one of these dimples and that you're going to strike it not on the side of one of these dimples. No. That was way less crazy than spritzing your golf balls so you could simulate do on a golf ball. No, so really at the end of the day, I just hadn't read out loud.

most of the quote, I don't think he's lining up the dimples to his putts. I think mainly what he was saying was that the slower the stroke, especially from the one or two feet, that when you do hit it off the edges of these dimples, which I guess you can't actually try and not do, that the ball is going to spin left and right and based off of not what you thought, not based off of what you thought the stroke actually did. You know what I'm saying? He's saying he hits him harder and that greatly increased his putting around one and two It lessens the chance of hitting one of the edges.

Correct. Yeah. The amazing part about this is you were all in on something earlier that he wasn't even doing, which was lining up. Well, you guys jumped down my throat. I was still fucking reading it. Like you jumped down my throat. You grab the pottery. This great thing.

You hit this white thing. I said, yeah, I guess that's what he's fucking doing. I just know that I'm going to go and try it. That 2017 Frankie would listen to 2021 Frankie on Brison and be like, what happened? What the hell happened? Bro. I don't think that. But we talk about shit like this all the time.

Like we just had a fucking hour-long podcast with Carlton about like the weirdest shit you could possibly do to make your game better. I thought that this was like something we could all go out and try and do. It's like trying to jam in putts now. The bottom line is. I didn't think that was anything like as weird as spraying a fucking water bottle on your golf ball. That was the weird thing we'd ever seen. Because what he just described, Frankie, he just said if you hit your short putts a little bit firmer, they're less likely to like bounce off line for different reasons. That's basically what he said.

like it's Leslie to come on like that and and I think that prior Frankie would have been like look at this asshole describing like something way more technical than he's to describe it of like yeah I learn that if I just hit my short putts a little bit harder I make more of them that's what instead yeah instead he's saying I don't want to catch the edge of a dimple no I think the revelation that like we are hitting the edges of the dimple it's not a perfectly round ball actually like blew my mind that like that part really stuck out to me where it's like yeah we are When you are striking, it could go offline because of the way a golf ball is shaped. But I think, like, another example of him with the coefficient of restitution of a flagstick, he was saying, like, yeah, if you hit a flagstick square out or the ball's going a little too hard, the flagstick might help you. And everyone's like, yeah, no shit. We've seen that for the history of time. And I think we jumped down his throat for things over the last years because he's done this

dozens of different times with stuff. When in reality, what he's saying is, like, I learn if I just hit my short putts a little bit more firm, they go in more off. Right, he is. He also didn't use a ridiculous term for this. He just said, like, I hit my balls a little bit harder around. He's talking about the edge of dimples that he studied. But that's, like, literally what is on the golf ball.

It's the name of the name of what the thing on the golf ball is. It's an edge of the dimple. He, like, he, like, made up, like, some mathematical term for what he was doing with the flag stick. That's why I jumped down his throat. This is just what a golf ball is. It has edges on a golf ball. I guess what we're saying is. He can't describe it any other way.

I guess, well, he could. He could say, I hit my putts harder. Yeah, but if someone says why, if he says, but if someone says why, he's like, oh, actually the ball has all these edges on them. And if you hit him really short, if you hit him really slow, that the edges actually affect the ball more than people think. That's literally what he said word for word. I don't think it's that crazy. I don't think it's, you guys are jumping down my throat. Like I used to jump down his throat.

But what this is so much more normal than he used to be, I thought. He's talking about the knelt boys about how the ball spins. No, I think it's very much in line with the Bryson that we've known. I think you, I think you jumped down my throw a little too hard. I think this is super simple. He's just saying, like, they asked him, why did you get so good at putting? He said, oh, there was this thing that I figured out that, like, I was hitting him way too slow from a short distance. And actually, the way the ball is shaped, it's got these edges on them.

But then you said that he is mapping out which dimple he wants to hit. No, see, no, I didn't get to read long enough. Once you jumped down my back, I was trying. I was trying to defend the guy because I knew that it was a fucking good point. I'm sorry that we thought you had all the information for your argument. We now have all the information. So what do you think? I still think it's a very bright thing to say.

That's weird. That's weird. It's not the coefficient of restitution. Every other golfer would just say, they would ask, what did you do to? This is literally Alfonso Ribeiro saying like your knuckles need to like lead the chip and we're all, our minds are blown. No, but I think if you ask any other golfers, I didn't think about that. I don't go golfing a thousand times to try it. If you ask any other golfer and they say, how did you improve your.

shorter putts, they would just say, I hit them a little bit more firm. Okay, but that is what he said. And then it's a very bright thing to then say, and actually, the dimples have these little edges on them. And if you don't hit them in the right way, it will skew your putt offline. And I get that that's true. I think that's super, super normal thing to say. I think coefficient of restitution of the flag stick is an asshole thing to say.

I think when they say, why does the ball go left and right from one feet? And he goes, oh, because the ball is actually not perfectly round. it has edges on it. So the slower you hit the ball, the more it's going to affect it is a completely normal thing to say. Like if someone said to us on a podcast, we'd be like, holy fuck. We think it's identical. Really?

Yeah. It's Bryce and instead of explaining something like, but that's the point you guys are missing. I think that's the only way he could have explained it. He is explaining it way too in depth to because he's Mr. I know more than you guy, which is the same thing you've always been upset about. I think that was the only way he could have explained it. Not just say I hit him on her?

Why the ball goes left and right? I don't know how else he, like, how else is he supposed to explain that? I'm just, I thought the answer would stop at him being like, yeah, I hit it firmer. And it gets, it hits more center of the ball. Or what I would say is that's fine that he explained it that way, but you haven't always been fine with him explaining it that way. But I see a major difference as when he was literally coming up with math equations and names and acting like he was changing the game of golf based off of the coefficient of restitution of the flagstick and saying like this is the way we need to do it. this is why I'm going to be keeping the fucking pin in the hole and this is why everyone should be following the way I'm doing it.

To me, I thought that was much different than him. Someone asking him, why does the ball go left? It's just a fact as to why the ball went left and right. But Frankie, it's the same exact thing that he was saying with the flag stick where they were saying, hey, Bryson, how are you going to handle this new rule where you're allowed to leave the flag stick in? And his answer was, based on the stuff I've done, depending on certain flags, I'm going to leave them in most of the time. oh, why are you going to leave them in most of the time? Then he's like, well, since you asked, it's the coefficient of the restitution based on the study that I've done.

It's very, very much the exact same thing is saying, hey, Bryson, how come your short putt range has increased so much in terms of your success in making it over the last few years, him saying, well, I hit him harder. Oh, why did you decide to hit him harder? Well, because I studied the edges of the dimples of the golf ball. It's identical to the other thing with the coefficient of restitution of the flagstick. I don't know. I just think because there are edges on a golf ball and that's something that we know that they have dimples on To me, it sounds a lot more just, that's just what happens to the golf ball,

as opposed to like him sitting us down for a history lesson on what happens to flag sticks and teaching us new words and terminologies about it. To me, that came off a lot more douchebaggery back when we were jumping down Bryson's throat. For this, I was like, oh, yeah, I know what dimples on a golf ball are, and I've actually never thought that way. It's pretty interesting. I've never thought about that way. That's the only reason why I see it differently.

I don't want to keep defending this. Yeah, yeah. This is a weird 20 minutes I have to fucking back my back again. I would also say the thing that makes it bracing. I would also say the thing that you're angry. I would also say the thing that makes it Bryson is that... I'm not angry. I'm just trying to talk about how it's fucking interesting.

Okay. And I would also say that what makes it very Bryson is that he's describing something that I don't even know if he has control over. Like he's saying, like, do we actually think he knows where he's going to hit on the dimple? I've already said that that's not what he said for the last 10 minutes. He does not aim for the dimples. then why even explain it that way? Because he's saying he was trying to figure out

why he missed so many short putts. But if you're saying that... It was because he was swinging too slow. And it would hit a different part of a dimple. Well, when you swing slower, because there are edges on a golf ball, it just goes left and right. So the harder and firmer you hit it,

the less that that gets in the back. Let me go a little deeper. I did a little research. He said, so if you hit it at this angle, it will twist and go offline. But if you're hitting on the top or bottom of the dimple, it will only affect the vertical launch.

So when I was putting, I was missing putts from super close ranges because I was hitting off the other edges of the dimples. You're telling me because the vertical launch of a dimple is somehow more simple and less douchy than what we got upset about him before with co-efficient or restitution. We're talking about a dimple.

I'd also say that in that he, in that quote, he is saying that he knows what parts of the dimples to hit. And that seems... No, he's not. He's not aiming for dimples. because you're just missing, you're not reading the quote that I read, that sounds super normal.

I already read that because you said that to me. I read that. Right. The firmer you hit it, the more the golf ball compresses when you're hitting something a lot harder that it compresses, it's compressing and it doesn't come off at a weird angle.

So why do we have to get the vertical launch thing? Why do you put that in there? Well, that's him being him. All I'm saying is that when, this idea, this idea to me was more interesting than anything else he had said. I don't know. I just thought that this was interesting.

I'm sorry. I apologize. really do. I apologize for thinking that this was a cool quote. We accept your apology. Thank you. I accept your apology. Thank you guys. You're a Bryson guy nowadays. That's what I'm getting. And I think that's great. Yeah. Yes, I am. I am a Bryson guy. I think that he's completely turned on a new chapter. I think in Riggs, we talk, we all, I mean, we all talked about it on this podcast being like, things are going to happen post this Rider Cup. I know we all love him right now because he's hitting the green in one.

No, no, no, that's not this. That's not this. I know what you're going to say. That's not this. I think it is. I think of 2018, Bryson says the exact same words. I think Frankie Borelli is furious. I don't know what else to tell you.

I like it, though. It's growth. I don't know what else to tell you guys because I wasn't forced to read that quote. Literally, I saw it when I was just on the internet today, and I thought it was super interesting. Like, genuinely the reason why I brought it up. There was no, like, storyline for me being a Bryson guy. I thought that you guys would find that interesting. I didn't think that we would get into a coefficient restitution flagstick debate.

Like that, my point for bringing that up is because I'm not trying to fall in line with just being a Bryson guy by saying that. I just thought, I don't know. We accept your apology. I feels like Bryson being Bryson being Bryson, to me. To me. Bryson being Bryson doesn't go on the Nelke Boy podcast and talk about, like, Tiger Woods being a nerd. Like, he's just a little, he's like more likable now. I don't know.

I want that to be true. You guys don't want to touch. I don't think it's true, but I wish it were. So this Bryson's not different than the 2018 Bryson. No. Wow. That's nuts. It's crazy how fast you turn after the Ryder Cup.

No, I... We even said it we knew... Since the Ryder Cup, he literally went to a long drive contest, was awesome, hasn't given out a bad quote yet, and then went on the Nelk Boys fucking podcast. Dimplew. And talk... But that's a bad... bad quote. It's a Bryson quote. Certainly.

I guess our point is that because of the Ryder Cup, you look at that quote differently, whereas we're saying in a vacuum, if you remove the Ryder Cup, that is identical to what he's always said. Right. And we figured there'd be a honeymoon phase where it's like, oh, would people like this guy now because he's, you know, performing at the Ryder Cup and hitting the, you know, the green on one and make an eagle. But I just, we figure that at some point he would say Bryson things. All right. It's nice to have a little Bryson. Only one golf ball needed to practice. You can set up the automatic ball return golf net, which is one of the coolest things we've ever used.

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Yeah. You know, I'm just going to be on the right side of history with this guy. Maybe. I like that we have a Bryson guy on the show now. Yeah, me too. Yeah, me too. I'm not even a Bryson guy.

I just like, I think that he deserves our, like, you're allowed to change. You're allowed to, like, win people over. He won people over at the Ryder Cup. Like, how insane is it to just be like, oh, yeah, you're the same person in 2018. Like, I hate you because of the stuff that you did in 2018. Like, he literally just won us over at the Ryder Cup. We were huge fans. But the things that he, and we don't have to harp on it.

But the things that he did at the Rider Cup seemed out of character in a way that we did like him. And then he now is just doing the things that he was doing before. I think it's crazy to think that somebody's getting – like, he hasn't changed that much. He hasn't changed. Which should show us that, like, we were hard on him for the first couple of years, I think. I think Riggs is right when he says that your perception of him has changed. And that's totally fine. First of all, we said that at the Rider Cup.

We said that we thought he was going to go back to his old ways. You said that your perception of him changed at the Rydica. I did, but I also was aware of myself knowing that I think he's probably going to do something that's going to piss me. That's a whole other conversation. Like, if your perception changed of him at the Riterke, mine did as well. I'm just not going back to like what I previously thought before my perception changed. I think that's insane. It just felt like a honeymoon period.

It felt like we like went away for a boy's weekend. We ran into the T-box to watch Bryson Dishambo T off on the first. I like watching him hit golf balls for sure. they're like little children. When he hit the ball, we fucking high-fived and went nuts. I like watching it. It was awesome. I have no,

I don't disagree with that at all. I think we were just trying to make the point there in real time that like, Bryson's still going to be Bryson. You're going to look at things differently for however long that may be a honeymoon phase, as you will. But the end of the day, the same reasons that we may have been hard on him before, I think will be the same reasons going down towards or going forward that will be hard

on him again. This seems like an example of that. If you're still in the honeymoon phase, that's totally fine. I just think that you weren't really admitting that the reason you saw this differently was because of the Ryder Cup, you were saying, like,

isn't he so much cooler he went on the Noteboys? Like, well, he went on Foreplay a couple years ago, too. We thought he was really cool for that. And then, like, eventually that wore off. And we think it'll wear off again. That's all we're saying. Yeah. And I'm being, like, completely honest with you guys.

When I saw that quote pop up of, like, how he's looking at the dimple, I didn't think of him being like Bryson. And I, like, so maybe it's just subconscious now that I don't think of him as the old Bryson. But when I saw that, I was like, oh, my God, like, a lot of people miss two-foot puts, and we like to sometimes bring up, like, these things that people can fucking think about.

I didn't read through the whole thing. So I was, when we got to the point where it's like, oh, you just have to strike the ball a little bit harder, I thought that would be something cool to bring up on the podcast. Like, everyone else now can try and just strike the ball a little bit harder from one or two-foot putts. Bryson's stats went up, like, from 89% makes to 99% makes because he saw this difference. I thought it was interesting. I genuinely didn't think of it as like, oh, I'm a huge Bryson guy now.

Every quote he comes out with on the Nulk Boys, I'm just going to suck his dick. And that's me being completely honest. I didn't think of it that way. I don't think that you did either. I think that saying what you just said and bringing it up and giving a platform to our audience about that interesting fact that Bryson now hits his puts harder is a good thing. I think it's interesting. It's great. We're just saying we think you would have seen it and had a different take prior to the Rider Cup.

Maybe it's subconscious because I'd, yeah, maybe. Maybe. It could be. Because I didn't bring it up to pump his tires is my point. I don't want, I don't want, every time I bring up a Bryson thing now, it's because, like, I want everyone to love the guy. That's not, I couldn't care less what happens to Bryson's shoe, but. That's good. Like, you know what I mean? That seems like, I'm not like, I'm not buying the guy's jersey. I just, I don't know. I don't know. The Dimple example is just a very interesting one to bring up, given our history. with it. I guess. Yeah, I guess so. But like, we all miss one and two footers. And like, I just thought that was interesting. I don't know. Like, it didn't seem like a math equation. It just, it didn't seem like something that was that I couldn't try myself. Listen, I'm, I'm going to hit my two foot butts harder now. It just didn't seem like something that like I needed to like learn a lesson about. Like, it was just like, oh yeah, maybe we should hit it a little bit further. Obviously, when you read the quote and you go word for word, it's like, wow, it's a lot. And I'm sure I would have went in on. That's what we've always. done is the argument. We've always done that. We've always been like, man, we're just going to discuss the surface level of what Bryson said. Like, we usually dig into why he used all these different terminologies and did he need to. That's, that's our only point. We don't need to keep harbored on. I'm sure people are sick of it. For sure. We accept your apology, so thank you for doing

that. I think that's pretty much all that we got at this point. It's been a rough day. No, we're rooting for your success, your speedy recovery. I hope that this wasn't a big setback. I think you're going to be fine. Do you want to say something mean before we leave? No, I don't. You can't if you want. You can have the last word.

We'll give you the last word. No, I'm done. Yeah, you get the last word. This is the last thing I'm going to say. Hit it hard. Frankie, you have the floor. They're saying the Big Bang wasn't actually the start of the universe, according to new studies.

it's a fucking chaps just blogged it an hour ago so now it's a whole other thing I got to deal with tonight whole other fucking thing I got to deal with surprise the Big Bang isn't the beginning of the universe anymore you can't do that the Big Bang teaches us that our expanding cooling universe used to be younger denser and hotter in the past however extrapolating all the way back to singularity

leads to predictions that disagree with what we observe instead cosmic inflation proceeded and set up the Big Bang changing our cosmic origin story forever. Hit it hard. Fuck that.