Fore Play - Hot Stuff, with Josh Duhamel

Episode Date: November 23, 2020

Big news: Tiger & Charlie Woods are teaming up for the PNC, Kisner loses in a playoff but takes home over $700K, and movie star Josh Dumahel (72:07) joins the show. We talk about the industry, Mark Wahlberg’s style of golf, and what it’s like being onset during the pandemic. Before Josh, we dive into what Tiger & Charlie’s appearance could mean for golf going forward and, also, into our deep thoughts on the British Royal Family!You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

Hey, 4Play listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. We're doing a Monday show. It's actually back-to-back Monday shows. We probably only do a couple of year, but it's very simple. People aren't going to be commuting. People aren't going to be wanting to listen to podcasts most likely on Thursday. We usually do Tuesday Thursday.

So boom, we're changing it to Monday, Wednesday. We want to get two episodes in this week. We told our team we're going to do two episodes every week. So here we are. It's Monday. you're listening to us talk, maybe you're listening to on Tuesday, I really don't care. Josh Dumel's on the show. He's one of the hottest guys I've ever seen in my entire life.

He just, the lack of care, I think, that he appears to really give into his appearance or anything about, you know, when he appeared on our Zoom and how that made him even sexier was really pretty stunning. And he was running a little bit late and he kept apologizing. And he could have been, like, we, I think we had a half hour with him. He was a couple of minutes late. and he could have come 25 minutes into it and we would have been like, it's totally fine,

you're so hot that you can get away with whatever you want. Seriously, I mean, he's that good looking. I was doing my Behind the Greens episode for that one. You guys knocked out two in a row, so I missed the lieutenant and Dumel. And this one was tough to see you guys talking in the group about how hot he was, because I love that, like seeing just how much of a different species these people are than us.

It's happened a couple times. like, you know, oh, man, what was the one that we keep saying? Oh, I mean, Trevor Himmellman always just gives us that vibe of, like, that's just a good-looking dude and, like, he's living, like, life. I can't imagine how good Josh Dumont look. Right. Like, I love Trevor Ullman and he is a good-looking guy, but he does not hold a candle to Josh Dumas.

Like, he's a superstar, good-looking actor. He's cool. He was talking about, I mean, you guys will hear about it, but he's kind of on set right now, living a camp life going to karaoke, drinking too much tequila. Like he's just a cool, good-looking guy. Life's easy for him. Yeah, he just, like, he was just in like this. I'm a hot guy who's, like, pretty hungover from drinking tequila

while filming my, like, movie-star movie. And now I've got a little bit of time for your guys' cute little golf podcast here. Like, what do you want to ask me, normal-looking people? And it was just, he was great. He was a cool guy. He's friendly. he's got good stuff coming out and he's been working on and what that's like with COVID and he gets into all of it. So he's coming up, movie stars coming up.

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This just happened because, again, we're doing a Monday show. Kiz at the RSM Classic. I think it was Kevin Chappell. That was the first guy that I heard chirp and just call it the RSM Kisner classic because I get the one tournament of every calendar year where kids just like wins the tournament or is in the top five. And I was looking up, but he does have, I think he's got four top sevens, including a win.

Now he's got five top sevens, including a win, a playoff loss, like a couple of five or fours and a seventh place finish since 2014 in this tournament. And Kiz was right there again. He posted a 63 today. He looked like he was going to win it. And he just didn't. He ended up coming up, you know, in second. Streb hit the shot of that year in the playoff where he just jumped on a pitching

ledge from 150 or so out of the rough. He said he was counting on kind of a flyer. Almost went in the hole. I don't know how it didn't go in the hole. And then Kiz was forced to try to like hold out of chip. He boned it over the green like Frankie. Actually made like a 30-foot bomb for bar. But then up losing a plight.

playoff. But our God kids, $700, I think $19,000, which I can place. Pretty good week. I thought he was going to win it in regulation, too, because he was on, he was 19 under, he was playing 18. What's the par five, 15 or 16 out there? The, I think the 15. All right. So when Streb didn't birdie 15, it was like, oh, if kids can get in at 19 and even 20, because it looked like he might birdie 18, he's going to be golden. And then fucking And Streb hit an amazing shot on 17 and birdied a hole that no one was burying all week. And then it's just at that point, I was like, oh, this is probably going to go to a playoff. Look good on the first hole to playoff for Kisner.

And then that shot by Streb on the second hole to playoff is one of the, I mean, like you said, Riggs, I'm still convinced that it's going to go in. It just kissed the side of the hole and missed. But, you know, second place, $720,000 isn't too shabby either. Dude, and I had the, I was, you know, my, my fucking streaming was like 13 seconds behind all the people that I was talking to that were watching it. So right when Streb like makes contact on my screen, I just got like, oh my God, oh my God, oh my God, for everybody. And then when it landed on the green and rolling, I'm like, oh, this goes in the hole. Like that's, and then it didn't.

So I was completely convinced it was going in. I still am when you watch it. But it was a roller coaster because kids, I mean, when he teed off, he was tied for fifth. he was, I think, five shots back at 12 under par. And there were just too many guys in between and he was too many back to really think like he's got a great chance. But it's like maybe if he goes really low.

And then all of a sudden, like you're saying Trent, when Kiz birdied the 15 and then Streb somehow didn't because he three jacked. Like, wait, now the math is adding up. And like, he's just going to win the tournament. Streb somehow birdied 17. That whole, nobody was getting it near that hole. The only way Kiz was able to even get it on the green

was he bounced it over the top of the bunker. And then Streb hit. it to eight, ten feet and curled one in. And then he should have made that put in the playoff, or I'm sorry, in regulation on the 18th hole. He had like a pretty straight uphill, little right-to-left put that I thought he was going to make for sure. And he didn't. And then it swung over, like you said to Kiz. We're just like, oh, now Kiz is just going to win the tournament because Streb's in the fairway bunker.

He's laid up. He hit a shitty chip kind of. And then he just pours in a putt and ultimately close them out. So it sucked that it ended that way because especially like we're going gung-ho on Twitter. Like our guy putting him on Instagram and then he just losing. So that's a little tough, but ultimately second place finished 700 plus K for a guy that buys a lot of beers. Special shout out to Zach Johnson. He was up there too.

He's playing in the final group. Didn't get it done today. But it's good to see his name near the top of the leaderboard. Just always good to see it. I know you guys are excited about that. But yeah, Kevin Gizner, good week. $700,000. I would love $700,000.

That would be really nice. Tough to lose a guy named Streb, too. It's just like the name seems like it's not real. It doesn't seem like an athletic name. It seems like, I don't know, almost seems like an object as opposed to a person. So you got to think kids doesn't like hearing that. But yeah, hell of a week, $700,000. That's just a drop in the bucket for kids, which is insane at this point.

I mean, 700 grand to him, the guys didn't end up making like $40 million in his career. It's fucking stupid money. That's such a large, such a large number. I was just rewatching the last dance, actually, going back through it. And when they're talking about Scottie Pippin's contract and like the, whatever it was, seven years for like 18 or 19 million and how he was the most underpaid player in the history of all the time. And I was thinking about like 18 million, like that's a ton of money. And I was like, Kevin Kisner's going to make more money than that.

That is, that's kids. Like he's just the vacant guy. And here he is, you know, bringing home he's got, he's got to be close to 24, 25 million right now in career earnings. That doesn't even include, you know, his off-course stuff. And here he is, just bringing home a quick $700K. One thing I did see, first of all, Robert Streb, like, you're right, that name is just in terms of excitement, a zero. I've heard he's a nice guy.

I saw a couple tweets. Like, one of the good ones gets the win. And there could be a chance where we get to meet him and we're like, oh, this guy is our best. We're going to go to war for him. But the current perception is that Robert Streb is boring as fuck to watch like golf. Yeah. Kevin Kisner's our guy.

And so, yes, I was actively rooting for him to miss everything. I was very upset when he wasn't. I was very upset when his ball landed and almost went into the hole in the second playoff hole. So that just is what it is. Again, if he's a great guy, cool, but I don't know. I do want to give him a straight of credit for the way he plays. He plays so fast that he wouldn't stand.

We're talking about putts that are either going to send into a playoff or send him home or win the playoff or lose the playoff. He stands over the put for two seconds and hits it. That was, I couldn't believe that. So I want to give him some credit for that. When you said the last dance a couple minutes ago, my brain is so stupid sometimes. I thought you were talking about the Julia Stiles movie

from probably 20-plus years ago. You were like, yeah, I was watching the last dance again. I was like, boy, what a way to reach into the bag and pull out an old movie to watch. Were you like, wow, I didn't know Scotty Pippen was in that movie. I just, do you guys remember that movie, The Last Dance? No. What?

You ever see Molly's game yet? You set yourself up for that, Trent. You can't. You ever watch Molly's game or no? That's a pretty good one. No, I haven't watched it yet. But we were talking when we were playing 2K on stream on the 4Play YouTube channel a couple days ago.

You got me interested in watching The Crown, which I did not watch, but I did do a YouTube search of Buckingham Palace because I kind of want to see what that place is like. And I did learn one thing that I didn't know. I wonder if you, Frank, you probably know this because you watch the Crown. if you're looking at a two-story building in London, like in America we call that first floor, second floor. In London, they call it ground floor,

and then the second floor is actually the first floor, which blew my mind. Yeah, no, I didn't know that. They don't talk about that in the ground? Maybe, maybe I've missed it. So if you're in an elevator, you have to hit one to go to two? Right. So if you, yeah, if you live on the second floor in London or the UK,

that's actually the first floor. And the first floor is the ground floor. But that's kind of like after you've been on earth for a year, like you turn one. But it's right, like your first year is like ground floor. That's a good comparison. I want everybody to know that I'm America, USA, go America, go. I like the way we do it. But I'm just saying apparently the way that they do it on the other side of the pond is a little different.

it's interesting when people say first birthday because like your first birthday was actually like when you were like that was actually your birthday So you're saying we're one year older than we actually are? I think that if we're going to do floors the way that we do them in America

it seems weird that we wouldn't do birthdays that way. Like that would be your second birthday. Like your first birthday was literally your birth day. Like the day you were But I think the point of a birthday is to count up the years, right? So then what's the point of a floor? Like what floor are you on?

Trying to decide which side I'm on. Dude, if you guys think I can keep up with this, you're insane. I'm not wearing a hat today, so I'm already, like, off my guard. Like, the fact that my brain is now in my feminine forehead is exposed to the world, and we're trying to think about how old we are, like, in my 20s, 27, 28, how many years, let's not do that. I have to confess that I, too, am very confused by this conversation. And all the points that I'm making,

I'm feeling very much like you because I don't know which side I'm even arguing for. Right. I like the way that we do it. Let's just, there's a, like, if I go up from ground level where cars would drive onto the ground, and I go up one from there, now on the second floor. See, even the way you said that, like, logistically and logically, you actually only went up one floor.

So it's actually the first floor you went up, right? Like, that's not a floor, really. Like, that's the ground level. That's the base. That's the base. The next one is the floor. We signify a floor as, like, from the ground to the top, what's the thing on top of that? Like, that's like, you know what I mean?

That's how we, that's what we, that's what we. Listen. I don't know, bro. All I know about the crown is that the queen can kill whoever she wants, like she can't go to jail for it. That's a fucking crazy fucking fact. With a sword, yeah. She can kill whoever she thinks is damaging or like, what's the word I'm looking for?

Parnish? Yeah, well, she thinks that like someone could be blank to the crown. harmful to the crown or, you know, detrimental? Yeah, if she deems someone detrimental to the crown and the monarch, she can kill them with a sword and knock on jail. Look it up. Really? Yeah, the queen has to justify who she killed,

but she is allowed to sentence and murder people at will if she feels that it deemed necessary for the monarch Is a monarchy or monarch? I think monarchy. That's a power that she has not used enough, and I maybe not even once. Right. Well, the current one you're saying?

Yeah, right. I mean, yeah, she's 96 years old. Yeah, I'm sure it goes back to fucking Mad King George, wherever his fucking name was. Yeah. I mean, so in theory, she could conclude that, like, when Megan Markle came to her and was like, we're going to, we're leaving.

We're, like, leaving the family. she could take a sword, stab Mago on the chest, and be like, that was detrimental to the crown. You're out of here. Or she could, like, have someone's car get crashed inside a tunnel like Princess Diana and just fucking not worry about it. Here we go. Yeah, I mean, I'm not saying, I don't want to get on.

I'm a big fan of the Royals. I think everything the Royals do is fucking electric. I think the fact that they, you know, they have, this fucking world in which they have to just keep a level of like you can't touch the royals because they're so pure and like next level that they will always be there but they're stuck behind closed doors go watch the fucking royals man go watch the crown they're hiding people with fucking down syndrome like they're in the family because they don't want people to know that like their bloodline can give off a non pure perfect like specimens so they're hiding children and like family members

in these fucking like mental hospitals even though i mean i don't love that part i think that part's absolutely fucking outrageous but i understand where they're coming from like in their six in their in their sick mind you're like people should do that but you're saying the element and the fact that people are doing that is fascinating and you want to uh witness more of this type of world well because like they're sitting in this fucking palace they get all the money handed to them to spend they literally can spend whatever they want they have to spend a certain amount to keep up like this level of fucking like the integrity of the crown and the fact that they are hiding family members who are like mentally ill because they don't want the fucking people

of london to read the newspaper in 1970s a big oh if they have a child that has like down syndrome or some form of mental illness or disability i could do that too what's so great about them why are they why are they gods why are they kings why are they queens so it's like they fucking think about everything. And the fact that we live in this world right now where there's a queen, like that's fucking that's Game of Thrones shit.

There's princes and princesses. And yes, there is. Yes, it is. No, no, no, no. Not though, because she has no political power. Like, that's the thing that drives me crazy. I hate the royals. I think they're stupid. I think they're pointless. I think they're taxpayer fucking fucking frauds is what they are. I think they're the worst. Because they don't wield any power.

I'm the clean I'm going to take all the taxpayers' money so I can live a lavish lifestyle and not do anything. Like, go fuck yourself. Go do something. You just turn into Cartman from Spartner. It was incredible.

Go get a fucking job. Hey, I didn't think of que. Go get a fucking job. The royals, I hate the fascination with them. Yeah, but watch the crown and tell me that she didn't have a job, you know, back and fucking, I mean, her job was to keep the United Kingdom together and was that bad, yes, because, like,

You have guys like Nelson Mandela trying to like get his fucking country and all these people like away from the British reign and all this stuff. But her job was to fucking be like, you know, this person that they had like 48 countries under their power. She was a queen when she was 21 years old making international speeches about why the United Kingdom needs to stay together. I mean, she's had a pretty fucking remarkable life. Was it all like the best decision making for the world? know, but I find that stuff very interesting. I do not, I do not stand by some of the stuff that they do. I'm just saying the fact that, and the fact that she won't croak and die because they would fucking Prince Charles. That guy's been waiting. She's 96 years old. He's like 75.

All these kids have been trying to become king and the Bob just won't pass away. That's crazy. Dude, she's 96 and her husband, the Duke of Edinburgh's 100. And the queen mama only died like in 2002. It's crazy, bro. Like, I don't know. It's crazy the fact that they, I mean, and also being that rich and that fucking pamper for your entire up just makes you live until you're 100. Like, I will die when I'm 40.

They are going, they're still cracking along and just fucking, she's giving speeches to fucking, I don't know, it's crazy. She's still out there killing it wearing her blues. Listen, man, these callers don't run. It's first floor. It's second floor. I'm USA all the way. I don't know. I just find it interesting.

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Go to Harries. com slash foreplay. Real quick. somebody earlier mentioned the passing of Princess Diana. And I actually, in one of my sample blogs that I wrote to Dave Portnoy, I wrote like a, tried to write like kind of a funny but also kind of serious. I think it was top 10 like most clutch performances of all time. And I listed on there like Bill O'Reilly actually doing it live,

like after he fucking loses his mind for like two minutes and he's like, I'll do it live and he actually nails it when he does it live. And then another one that I put on there was Sir Elton John singing Candle in the Wind at Princess Diana's funeral, which is legit. Like everybody's weeping and her and him were like best friends in like a month before. They were like photographed together at one of their good friends' funerals, like weeping together. And here he comes out there. Everybody's weeping. And he just dominates this performance of candle in the wind like at her funeral.

And I listed that as one of my most clutch, one of my most clutch performances I got with. Princess, that's funny. That gave me the chills when you were just saying that. I didn't know about that. If you ever need a good cry, I'm a cry guy, obviously. You ever need like a good cry or good, like, emotional reset? Go look that up on YouTube, Surrell, John, singing candle in the wind. Like he came up with this own version that he rewrote just for Princess Diana's funeral.

And then he has sensed, he refuses to allow it to be performed. It'll never be performed ever again, this version of a song. It was the one and only time ever. Because people tried to, like, you know, buy it and they wanted to be able to sell it. And he's like, no, this is the one time. What a legend. She was fucking a superstar, man. That was, yeah, just go watch the crown.

The fact that, like, she, like, was, like, this outsider. And then, like, she was going to Australia. And they were, like, Australia is like, this is the time we finally get to break away from the UK because no one cares about Prince Charles and all these people. Like, we finally have it. And then all of a sudden Princess Diana. and they're waiting outside the plane for her, all of Australia. She just dominated Australia.

And the fucking prime minister of Australia is like, who the fuck is this chick that just destroyed all of my plans that I've been working on for the past five years? Like, we were about to be free, like, hardworking, fucking, like, independent people. And Princess Diana just dominated us. And now they're all fucking waving British flags. It's crazy down.

He, like, says it right to all their faces. He's like, this girl just fucking just ruined my life. Like, this is crazy. She's perfect. Yeah, it's fucking crazy, man. whatever too much crown talk it's a golf five cash shout out kevin kisner seven hundred thousand dollars we got to get on to tiger woods and charlie because that that story stole the fucking show when that came out on twitter i mean i i never saw more people talk about

golf in my they didn't talk about that much golf during the masters people from all over the world were talking about golf in fact that tiger woods and the sun are teeing off in the same tournament these two are real royalty tiger and charlie that's correct look there's few things i think in terms of news in the golf world that really stuns me that really stuns us like usually we hear whispers of it where the writing is kind of on the wall right like golf isn't this you know new hip unpredictable game where they draw like golf's just been pretty much doing the same fucking thing in the same playbook for centuries now this news stop me in my tracks when i read tiger woods if you recall when these videos of charley wood

the swing, what, at the beginning of this year, maybe January, February, these videos of Charlie Woods' swing started to emerge. And, you know, a couple of them people were, like, filling them on cell phones and putting them on the internet. And then there were some people like chirping and trying to cancel folks like us for sharing the videos of like, this is a child. Well, Tiger Woods, not only is he, like, proud of Charlie Woods' game and swing and something, he is putting him on display alongside himself, the greatest player of all time. They're like, oh, we shouldn't have these expectations to live up to his father. Well, guess what?

He's going to be riding a fucking cart next to his father with the same name on the fucking leaderboard of a golf tournament. And it's awesome. It's fantastic. Charlie wants it. Charlie's clearly craving it. He's craving that competitive edge. He's craving the stage.

He wants to be fucking on that stage with his dad. He saw what happened of the Masters last year. He was part of the hug. He knows he's a part of history. He understands that his dad's not just some YouTube golfer anymore. That's where Tiger's big dad jokes he likes to say, that he's like a real golfer with giant crowds chanting his dad's fucking name. He's ready to get out there and play.

Tiger's ready to play with him. And it's going to be awesome. A couple things. One, the people who are clutching their pearls about those videos of Charlie and freaking out about it, they can't watch this upcoming tournament. They're not allowed. They would go against everything that they stand for. If they are tuned into their TVs, they are hypocrites and they are frauds.

And two, Charlie's in it now. This is, he's in it now. Like Tiger, like I even think at first when we saw those videos of Charlie, we're like, oh, wouldn't it be cool if Charlie loved golf and was into golf and sort of took up the mantle from his father and was this great golfer? But I didn't think, we didn't think he was taking it all that seriously. Now that he's going to be at a tournament with Tiger Woods playing on TV in front of hundreds of thousands, probably millions of people, like now he is.

is part of the Woods golf legacy, and he's got to take it and just sprint with it. Again, I don't want to set crazy expectations on Charlie, but this appearance with his dad, Tiger, is going to put those expectations on him, especially if he plays well, which I think he's going to do. And I'm excited about it. Yeah, it's, you know, like you said, Riggs and Trent, I mean, it's crazy that people that have all this outrage when it comes to Charlie Woods, and now we just get to shove it down their throats. It's going to be prime time on in your face video everywhere pictures everywhere yeah

I don't know so I didn't know much about this tournament going into this I don't know how many years this has been going on I mean JT and his dad are playing the whole fucking everyone's playing in it daily's always playing it so is it like a four day tournament like is there going to be a Sunday is there going to be a Sunday round or is it two day I believe it's two days I saw and

look I'm I'm with you I don't know a ton about it I know that it exists I know like Jack's always out there I feel like with his sons and like Gary Player and these people were out there. So I don't know all the details about it, but I think it's just two days from what I saw. The fact of the matter is the final day, if Tiger Woods and Charlie Woods are wearing red and black together

and they're fucking dominating whatever match here in, that will be on the cover of every fucking national newspaper, every single local newspaper, it'll be everywhere of them finishing their swing side by side. The video of them on the range the other day, I'm not afraid to say this, that Charlie Woods has a better swing than Tiger. It's more agile. It's younger.

It's more, it's got more torque to it. I mean, his finish was better. The fact that, you know what's crazy, though? The fact that, like, because Tiger Woods is your dad, you just have that, like, I understand he works at it and he has the best teacher ever, but, like, it's not easy to have that swing. You have to still understand it. You have to still have the physical ability to have that beautiful of a swing, and he just does. What does that say about what golf is?

like I've always known that if you have more access, like country club kids is like the stereotype and they're just better golfers because they grew up around it and they have practices and fucking lessons and stuff. But like at some level, you have to have the ability to put to like, like I know everything there is about chipping. I know all the information. I know what I'm supposed to do. I know how to do it. I know, yeah, I do. I've been taught from fucking Robbie Mac, Bryson D. Chambot, Kevin Kisner, the works. All, every, single person, I just can't physically do it. I can't. I know what I'm supposed to do. I can't set up the right way. I can't hold my hands the right way. I can't come through the ball the right

way. I know what I'm supposed to do. Leading hand. Don't flip your wrist. Weight on the front foot. I know it all. I know it all. I just can't do it. Charlie is doing it. That's stunning to me that you can be part of it has to be youth, right? You don't have the bad habits built in beforehand. So it's just all education and you're learning how to do it the right way right away. But I don't think that's all of it. I think I have the same question as you, but at some point he just has to be able to do it. But I do think a large part of it is he has been doing it the right way his whole life. So he doesn't have the bad habits that you might have from the first 21 years of your life.

Dude, I played golf today with this guy who was just starting out, maybe a sixth or seventh round golfing ever. and he's holding, and he's actually, like, not terrible. He, like, gets the ball in the hole, which is, like, pretty, like, crazy, right? Like, he figures out how to get it down there. I think he shot, like, a 58 on the front. Like, dude, he was whole, yeah. That's not bad. No, he, honestly, he's a weapon out there.

Like, I must have screamed four a thousand times today. I mean, it's just missiles every single way. Right, left, fucking head high, temple high, people ducking. But he gets the ball in the hole. My problem with him, and I just met him, he's my first. friend of a friend is he was holding it like like you know not the interlocking grip just fucking two hands the fucking 10 finger thing like a baseball bat and he's like well it's just it's comfortable for me and like I don't like the finger thing and I wanted to shake him like in

fucking uh in big and not big daddy fucking um philly madison I'm gonna be like you have no idea how lucky you are to not have any habits and just learn the correct way my point to him was it's going to be tough for you to learn how to play the game of golf, whether you hold it the way that you're comfortable or you hold it the way you're uncomfortable. Either way, you are not going to know how to hit the ball, right? Right now you have no clue. Why not do the no clue thing the correct way and learn perfectly from the beginning?

Why he's like, well, I just like don't like that. It's like, but you don't like holding it the way you're holding it either. You're hitting the ball sideways. Like what? Just figure it out. You do it the right way. And then in two years, you're going to be like, holy, fuck, I'm so good.

I was actually jealous of him that he has a clean start. Do you guys ever feel that way about people that are just learning the game of golf? They have a clean, fresh start. Yeah, they'll suck probably for 10 years, but who cares when he's 35? The guy could be a stick. Who knows? So what we're encroaching on here is one of our age-old debates on the show of, you know, how much are resources, and if you had a limited resource,

is like what is your guaranteed kind of not even ceiling like floor like what is the minimum good that you could be no matter how good your god-given abilities are and we talk about it like we use lebron james to take an example like if you just gave lebron james like three years the best swing coaches and the best facilities in the world could he just become a professional professional golfer. Like, is that, is that what it takes? Is there another sort of intangible level of just getting the ball in the hole, right? Like, we've all talked to guys.

You're playing with that. Yeah, I know this guy's a stick. He's a plus three. But, like, he just, these other fucking guys slap it around worse than he does, but they're on the PGA tour because they just get the ball in the hole better. They just, they get up and down or they put it or whatever the hell it is. And so it's, it's a fascinating question to look at somebody like Charlie Woods, who it's like, okay, if he has Tiger's DNA, he's got his touch, he's got his mental, you know,

approach, at least on like a skeletal level. He's got those things. That goes a long way. And now you allow that person to have what I think, like, all three of us are very jealous of, which is a fresh start. Like, yes, you could have a fresh start, like at some point as an adult, but you're way behind. Just like if you try to learn a language at the age of fucking 35, you can't do it. It takes you forever. Yet here's, I got. like my four-year-old nephew is literally, he knows English better than I do because you just, you're young,

your brain's absorbent, it takes everything in and you can just adjust and figure stuff out. And when you're older, you can't. And now Charlie Woods has this where he's 11 years old or whatever he is. He's got Tigerwood. The only patterns that he's really had ingrained to talk to him

are perfect because they're coming from the best player to ever play the game, who is surrounded by like Robbie Mac, who helps Tiger with his swing, who's surrounded by Como and Justin Thomas. Justin Thomas's dad and all these coaches all the time that just pump him full of good information. So you combine that with like Tiger, the DNA that the Woods family has, which is clearly

led to the greatest career, one of the great careers all the time. Like he would have to, and it's not a guarantee, right? Like you got to have the passion and the drive all that, but he's going to have the good fundamentals and a beautiful golf swing and be able to pure the golf ball on like a floor level, no matter what, no pun intended, first level, photo. And we're going to get to now, like, see that. And it's cool that we get to look at scorecards. Like, oh, Charlie Wood shot like 34 and he beat the other, like, nine-year-olds. That's great. Now we get to, like, watch him piece around a golf together. We get to watch him, like, miss a putt and see how he reacts to it. Like, does he

have good bounce back stats? Does he birdie par five? He's like to Tiger Woods' son. It's just, it's very, very cool to see, but you're also right, Frankie, and that, like, it's, it's, it makes you a little bit upset that you, you wish, like, to go to your, your example with your buddy, I wish all the time that I could just start from scratch, because, you know, like, and if you look at the comments on all of our shit, people are like, why don't you just swing it like this way? Why are you doing it the wrong way? It's like, well, why don't I just swing it like Rory fucking McElroy? And then I just make $40 million a year that. Why don't I just fucking do that internet user?

If you're going to chirp me, get in a fucking time machine and chert me when I was eight years old. Don't chirp me fucking now because it's not going to help. Listen, if I could have the men and black red light thing that could just be for my golf game, I'd do it in a fucking instant because a fresh start, especially with golf, I guess with anything, but this is a golf podcast. So if you could start fresh with your golf game, I think we would all do it. I think we would all do it, right? Yes.

Yes. Yes, I would absolutely do it. Which is a sad state of affairs for our current golf games. But it's true. My current golf game is so fucked. It's amazing how different confidence goes up and down. Like when I stand over a ball now, I'm petrified on the tee. Everywhere else I'm okay.

It's fucking crazy, man. Comes and goes. So yes, I would love to just men in black whoosh my fucking golf game away, never think about this game ever again, and then just relearn it. Let me tell you, let me tell you a little bit about my game, but first I'm going to tell you about something that Will, you're going to have a ton of confidence in, much like you might not have in your golf game, which is Bowling Branch. There's actually millions of Americans and three former United States presidents all have this in common, and that's that they agree. Bowling Branch sheets are the softest and most comfortable pure organic cotton sheets on Earth. Foreplay also believes that, myself, Frankie, and Trent.

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I thought maybe in three or four years when Charlie was, you know, 15, 16, we'd see this. But Tiger's like, he's ready now. Tiger is calculated and he knows that he won't embarrass his son. He doesn't want to put him in the limelight when it's too early. He knows he's ready for this. This is going to be on, I just check. It's going to be on fucking NBC on Saturday and Sunday between 2.30 and 5 o'clock, just on fucking channel like four. Like, fucking NBC is just going to, you're going to turn on.

on your fucking cable vision and it's going to talk charlie woods is going to be playing golf alongside tiger i thought for sure it's going to be like on golf channel or like you had to go buy something to watch it the fact that's on national television the same network that like the world series is on is crazy to me that tiger woods is playing with his son but i also have a hundred percent belief that it is going that he's ready because tiger would never take this messed up with his family he would never he is he is number one to his kids now he's talked about a million times that's all he cares about. He would never do this if he wasn't ready.

If this fucking kid, if Charlie Woods was slapping the ball around, like, you think he would put him on NBC in a tournament against Justin Thomas and his dad? What he's crazy? He's coming out there for hardware.

He's not just going out there for the... They think they're going to win this thing. They think they're going to win. It is a really good point how private Tiger is and how protective he is of his family, that there is a zero 0.0% chance that he would do this if he thought it could in any way damage or like make

Charlie Wood sad or like embarrassed or bum like he must have complete and total confidence in Charlie's game but not only his game but like his mental fortitude and toughness because like if you go out there as an 11 year old and you've got all these expectations people like talking about and you just get the shanks or you get you know you're blatant or or you're you have no touch on the green year like a barrier rattle like that could scar him athletically and in the golf game for a really really long time so tiger has to have total confidence in him and it's it's a whole another level because it's not like you know if if no offense to our guy but like if kiz brings his son out to the tournament it's like oh yeah do you hear like kids is one of the 80 people in the

field of his kid people like that's great like tiger woods and his son charlie are playing like everyone is watching Tiger Woods and his son Charlie. Everyone. Their parents, we're talking about legacy implications. This is a big, big deal for the Woods family, for the sport of golf. Depending on how this goes, which I'm pretty sure it's going to go pretty fucking well, like you guys are saying,

if Tiger's confident enough to bring him to this tournament, they're probably going to do pretty well. Like this has real implications for decades going forward. This is no joke. Right. And for the history of golf. being like, and everyone's going to be like, he's a 12-year-old, and you look, listen to all these things you guys are saying about him.

He just wants to play in a tournament with his dad, like, let them have fun. Like, his dad is Tiger Woods. His dad wins major championships. His dad is the greatest golfer of all time. When he joins a tournament, there is a million different decisions that go into that. It's not just your regular Papa at Eisenhower Blue Course teaching you how to hop up, hop over the fence behind the baseball field. This is the PNC Championships on Saturday and Sunday.

on NBC and Tiger Woods is bringing his 12 year old son. Yeah, there's going to be a ton of implications. There's going to be a ton of people talking about what he should win, how many he's going to win, and why he's going to win, because his dad's Tiger Woods, get it through your fucking skull. The reason why he's going to this tournament is to win it, and he thinks he's going to fucking be a professional golfer one day. Stop coddling the kid when the tiger is putting him on NBC.

It's crazy. I agree with everything you said there. Can you imagine the tournament officials when they got word that this was happening? like this PNC championship took a shit in their pants bro i saw their tweet like we would like to introduce our newest members it was like in all fucking caps our newest members of the tournament tiger wood and his son like holy fuck this is this is as big as it gets for the PNC championship like what does PNC sponsor the pittsburgh pirates baseball field or like come on man you have Tiger wood and his son playing in their first televised tournament together this is ken griffie junior

and ken Griffey senior this is barry Bond and Barry Bond Sr. This is as fucking big as it gets. I'm sorry. It really is. I know it's the PNC championship, but like Ken Griffey and his dad hit home runs in just like the third game of the MLB season. Like, this is the PGA tour. This is the fucking tournament.

It is very funny that a few minutes ago we were like, does anybody ever, does anybody know anything about the PNC? And then now we're like, he's putting him in the master. He's going to play. Yeah. Yeah. But it's still a fucking tournament, man. Yes. And like, there will be

on sports tickers and, you know, like updates on, like, Tiger Woods and his son, you know, did this well. There will be a highlight. Like, when Charlie Woods inevitably, like, holds out a chip or something, like, that will be all over sports center. Crazy. Fox and everywhere is going to have to talk about. Tiger Woods, like, fist pumping. Like, imagine Charlie Woods makes a bomb and gives a giant fist pump. And, like, Tiger Woods is his teammate.

Like, are you? What? Also, the thing that I'm thinking about is Tiger has to feel pretty good about his game. I know he made a 10 on 12 on Sunday and like it was a fucking embarrassing thing. But then he ended up birding, what, five of his last six? Joey Lakov said he actually likes the way Tiger played that week. He saw a lot of good things. If he could stay healthy, he sees big things for 2021, big things for 2022.

He has, Tiger and Joey have a lot of plans going forward about winning championships and winning majors. He saw a glimpse of the old Tiger at Augusta. That's fucking awesome news. Tiger wouldn't be joining this if he was unhealthy, if he didn't feel like he could play well, because Charlie's at the age where, number one, he can fucking play in tournaments and he's going to fucking win him. That's why Tiger's putting him in.

And second of all, he's old enough to realize that Tiger isn't playing well. So, like, he wouldn't want to embarrass him in that sense. Like, if Tiger goes out there and bogey's the first five holes and looks like an old man gingerly not being able to pick up the ball out of the hole, that's like Charlie's old enough to just like understand that. It's going to be like, he wants to play well in front of him. I think that's also why he's kind of speeding this process up, because Tiger knows that he has, like, a certain amount

or a certain window left of, like, prime good playing. Because, like, he wants to probably be able to win a fucking tournament with them. That's unreal. Like, if they win the PNC Championship, I know it's some fucking hodunk, whatever, fucking tournament. We never knew anything about it. But if they win the PNC Championship, like, that's a fucking win. That's win.

That's win number one for Charlie Woods. That's, I mean, it's not a PGA tour fucking win, but it's a fucking win. It's a win. It's a, it's like a professional win. Like he's, he's a pro. At that point, he will have, like, one more tournaments in the United States than Tommy Fleawood. Now, tell me, so this is, like, some, this is probably, like, charities stuff, right?

Like, there's no, like, obviously Charlie Wood doesn't be, like, he doesn't lose his, like, future avidator status by playing the PNC, right? Like, I mean, I don't know all the logistics behind this fucking thing, but I'm assuming it's just, like, almost, like, get together, right, as opposed to, like, an actual. Yeah, I think it's a little bit of, like, a. hitting giggle type situation. Okay. But yeah, I don't think the U.S.J.

is going to come down hard on. Right. I don't think like Charlie Wood's isn't walking out of there with one of those big checks, Frankie. Like happy. Correct. Okay, good. Good.

I'm just looking out for him. That thing is going to get some serious ratings. People are going to be watching. I'd be stunned if it was on NBC before Tiger fucking announced that he was in. I mean, I don't know the answer to that, but I would assume that calls were made like, we need this on TV. I know nothing about the. P&C championship. I know I will know everything about it at the end of Sunday. It's also it's

December 19th and 20th. Like this is the definition of golf's actual offseason and this is when like I said, they stroll Jack Nicholas out there on the tea. The guy hits the ceremonial tea shot at the Masters and like he gets to play in the tournament. So it's like, you know, like Jack, yeah, Jack's Jack. But also it's that's kind of what it is. It's more similar I would say to like the part three contest at, you know, at the Masters, then it is a PG-Torbit, clearly. Now, I don't know what thought about it because we just keep saying that over and over again, but I'm about to know everything about it in a couple weeks. I'll say that.

I mean, by the time they win it, we're going to count it as a major. Right. Yeah, Tiger will be at 16, Charlie will be at 1 by the time they win this thing, which that's a good start. Speaking of contests and tournaments, we've got some news. on the four-man scramble front, I believe that we are, before the end of this year, going to be knocking off three more opponents.

Nothing's necessarily set in stone yet, but at least a couple of them are looking really good. We've talked about Dustin and the Girls, which it's going to be Paige, Chelsea, Melissa, and Dustin are going to play. We're going through negotiations and all of that. But I believe in early December, we will be playing that team, and we will also be playing Joel Damon and Pat Perez.

Those are sort of the three that we have on our target list right now, that we're looking to eliminate, that we're looking to knock off. And I think we're going to do it in the Scottsdale, in the Arizona region, which is where pretty much all those people are for the entire winter. It's where I happen to be right now as well, so that's not like a total coincidence. And we'll play a little desert golf against these folks. but four-man scramble is 2-0, and we're looking to go 3, 4,

and maybe even 5-0 by the end of the year. We're 2-0, we're probably looking at finishing year 2 and 3 from what I'm understanding between, I mean, we have yet to play a pro on these fucking short courses that, like, they can play their little target golf. Pat Perez is going to fire a 10 under 62, right in our fucking eyeballs. And he's going to do it probably while just downing like Jack Daniels. it's going i just fear that we're we're going to start like we're going to be like what the

fuck did we just get ourselves into when we see how these guys play at their home courses right you know what i mean like we played kids that fucking pines number two from like 7600 yards wherever the fuck it was we also we got to witness kids at palmetto and he gave me 14 shots he gave frankie like 20 something he gave it and he just dusted all of us and yeah he just made birdies like he wasn't even he wasn't even conscious he wasn't even he couldn't even see or stand up and he was like seven under far so yeah no we're doing his own course we have to um always always negotiate in our favor so like for the girls we have to play like over 7000 yards there's something insane like it's got to be you got to tip it out because from 175 and in we're done done lose every far three totally totally

Yeah, I was, so I'm on like a group text with that crew, you know, as we're trying to like hammer down logistics. And they're trying to, I'm pretty sure that they're just trying to play mind games. But they were all ganging up being like, you guys wanting to move it back is idiotic. It only benefits us. And I was like, no, it doesn't. And it's like, what do you? That doesn't make any logical sense. They're like, all better players benefit from the further back you go.

And I was like, yeah, but we're like met and we just hit it farther than that. Like that's not, I'm not being. Yeah, it's like, hey, listen, I don't want to get to a male versus female argument here, but we just have bigger, we can hit it further. That's how it is. I'm very feminine in physical features. But my point is that most men. Nature, nature.

I'm talking about normal good golfers like you. Nature, like nature and science has just determined for like our species, that our gender typically, like, is stronger and hits it farther. That's just a fact. I'm not like, that's, that's just a fact. I mean, golf distance on the PGA tour versus the LPGA tour. That's just like a fact.

So like us moving it back then, I was like benefits us because we will then be basically playing the same golf course, but from closer. We're just like, it's like we get to play a set of T's in if we move it back because we're going to just drive it longer. And even though you guys are more accurate than we are, we get four, you get four. like even if all four of you hit it dead straight in the fairway and only one of us does we're still going to be farther in the fairway so it doesn't really matter that much and that's it's it's Dustin who's pounding it all day but I think he's the worst one of the group by far I agree I

agree I mean there's a reason why there's red teas and blue teas and like I mean that's just it's based off of that type of stuff and that's we're going to have to play from a further back fucking teabox it's not us being a free this just us being fair they're professional fucking girls golfers and they're going to be sick like we need to have some sort of like we can't just let them get let them beat us based off the fucking like whatever stuff that they come up with like we have to try and win based like on on our negotiations right and i was telling him i was like no you guys are just better than we are at every aspect of golf the only thing that we have which has nothing to do with our ability it's just pure luck in this sense that like

we were actually born with different like chromosome is that we can just hit it a little farther. And so we need to go back so that we can then benefit from that fortunate advantage. That's it. That's just it. If we play from the yarders that they usually play from, they'll just kill us. They're more accurate. They have better touch. They put better.

They're going to hit their wedges better. They're going to do every part of the game better than we are. The only chance that we have is move it back farther and just hit it farther than they do. Hope to God that we hit them in play. and then we are playing a shorter course than they are. That's it. Right, because also, like, their usual 160-yard shots into the green turn into 190-yard shots into the green or 195.

So, like, then they're in a bunker. Like, it just changes the whole game. Like, it's just, like, we need that. We need, we absolutely need that. It's the only way we can play. And then the other two, in terms of playing Pat, in terms of playing Joel, we're just going to, I mean, we're going to have to try and negotiate as well.

I mean, their home courses are a problem. for us. They can just shoot 65, 64, 63, and they're sleep at these courses. And they're going to want to win. They're going to be in tour mode like Kiz was with Dewey. And Kiz played a very conservative style to try to just par us to death, thinking that we would just suck and blow up and puke all over ourselves, which usually we would, but we somehow didn't. These guys are not going to be doing that. I think they're going to be firing a pin and making a million birdies, and it's going to be very difficult for us. You mentioned Dewey.

He's got a beard now. He's got a little bit of a beard going on I saw today at the RSM Classic. It's a good look. I fucking love Dewey, man. Every time I see him, whether it's in person or on TV, he just makes me feel better. And when I saw him with the beard today, I thought he looked great, so I wanted to give him a shout out. Did I tell you guys when I think I might have shown this, I think I sent it to the group text. But when they, when kids and Dewey finished up in the tour chance,

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And now we also get to have like movie stars on all the time. It's just, it is. awesome it's really cool and there's good golfers out there man like you mentioned hl stars and we're going to get to josh but i mean um i played with cow clutterbuck the other day hell of a name uh it's a mouthful but he's been in the league for a while you know minnesota that new york islanders the guy's a fucking stud he's a shit talker he's a he's a pot star he's a fighter he's also a stick he's always in these fucking he's always in these top 10 golfer nchel player list and he's like i think he's like a plus one and i think right now he's

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good athletes on the golf course. It's stunning, and it's really cool to see, like you're saying, like us, us be able to piece apart, pick apart who these, like,

extremely good golfers are in these worlds that we never knew. Like, I never knew fucking Lee Bryce played golf or like, you know what I mean? It's crazy to me that, that we never really thought of, these people being like normal humans to go out and golf and play on the golf course,

but now we're like, it's like opening my eyes. So like, oh yeah, they actually do stuff that what we do. It's like play golf. That was so, so equalizing, right? Like it just puts everybody on the same level. Like you might be Josh Temele. You might be the hottest movie star ever that could have and seemingly like this fantasy life.

Yet he's just as giddy to get on that first tee as we are. Like he's just, he's got the same clean slate. He's got the same possibilities. and then his train goes off the tracks the same way that ours does. And he's trying to piece it together and keep it on. And he's grabbing shit that's flying off. And he's just out on the course, just like you and me, he's driving his car or he's walking and carrying his bag,

and he's having a good time, and he's making mistakes, and he's cursing and he's happy. And it's just cool that golf is that great equalizer and that it's like this show we're able to bring on people from so many different industries. It's a very cool thing. Sonny. The one thing I will say,

And the only reason I brought up is that I forgot to say it's during the show. And I know we're coming to the end. We're going to the interview is Cal Clutterbuck is, he's able to switch out his fucking shafts to the point where he's like, oh, yeah, in the beginning I wanted. We were just, like, playing for fun. So it wasn't like, obviously, you know, I was to switch out your shaft after nine holes in, like, a competitive, like, tournament. But, like, the first time is, like, I was looking for, like, just a lazy swing today. So I've had a little bit more of a wippy shaft. And then, like, me and him were getting absolutely dusted by my two friends.

And he, like, ran to the car and put on, like, a stiffer shaft and just, when go zone started hitting greens and like off the tea boxes and he's just like yeah i mean like you guys just made me try a little bit harder today which kind of pissed me up because i'm feeling a little sore but i mean we got into the 10th tee at glen oaks golfs golf golf club on anything fucking plays and he's just like he hit the ball 410 yards like what just happened it's like new chef like while you guys weren't getting drinks i just got a new shaft like we're good to go so these guys are better athletes than us we'll never be able to reach that kind of level just i mean if you give me two different shats what the fuck's the difference for me i mean come off bro

I mean also like if you you think we don't have enough head like head issues already you're going to put two different shafts like what also at one point is like his driver head and like all these like nuts and bolts were in his hand and I'm like you're a mess right like I if you just handle that to me no chance I put that together in a good enough fashion to be able to hit a golf ball the correct way and he's just like setting like setting these degrees and like at one point you put it on the wrong side of the grip I'm like how are you knowing what you're doing right now. There's guys who literally have jobs to set up golf clubs and you're doing it in between your legs on a golf cart. How about, are you guys handy at all? No, I'm the least handy person ever.

When I end up getting a house, I will be completely broke because I'll pay everyone to do everything. I'm talking the slightest thing. Turn on a fucking, like activate a fucking outlet. I won't know how to do shit. The other day, my roommate Robbie Fox says glasses broke. Like this, the screw,

that puts it all together, it came loose. And he is blind, obviously, so he can't see. So he texted me, he was like, hey, I'm going to bring home this little kit. And you're going to have to screw in this part of the glasses so I can see it again. So I can be a normal human. And he brought it into the apartment. And I have such big Neanderthal, like sausage fingers that I simply could not do it. Like, tiny little screw and this tiny little tool.

and Robbie's blind. He's like, if you don't do this, I'm going to be blind. And I simply could not do it. And I sent him out into the city to go to like a glasses repair shop because my hands are just too gigantic that they can't. Like I would be holding the little screw in my fingers and I'm looking at it, but I couldn't feel it. I couldn't feel my fingers.

So answer your question, no, I will not be handy. And like my dad is handy. My grandpa was handy. but I don't have that gene at all. I want to have a sleepover slumber party at your guy's place and then while you guys are sleeping, just steal both your glasses and then just rummage around and make your guys life a living hell.

I mean, you have to have the most blind apartment of non-blind people in the world. I would be in serious, serious trouble. I said it on the live stream when we were in Philadelphia at the gambling house. Like, I'm one, like if I'm walking down the street and somebody accidentally steps into me gives me a shoulder and my glasses break, I'm dead.

Like, I am, I'm out of it. You're one wrong step away from just being blinded and then completely, completely vulnerable to all the bad things in the world. Correct. I don't have an extra pair. I don't think Rob, yeah, Robbie doesn't have an extra pair. So if you steal our glasses, this apartment is fuck. So, Trent, like, if you're, in terms of your blindness,

if you're, like, trying to cross a street in New York without your glasses on, would you like is everything a blur would you be able to tell that cars are stopped at the stop way or what can you actually see so mine's not as bad as Robbie has worse vision than I do so I could still I think I could get across the street without getting hit by a car I think that that's good but there's but it does get dicey like things are more blobby than they are defined for sure yeah same with me man I wear context like if I take my fucking context out it's it's pretty bad I mean I get I can get around. Like I get around my house like perfectly fine.

I get around my room. Like when I wake up, it's fine. It's not like the world. I don't know how people live where it's just blur. Like I don't know. Like it's just blur and they put in your glass and you're like, whoa, all right. Thank I can see everything.

That's you, Trent. Like I can still see my room and everything perfectly. It's just not in definition at all. It's just soft. No, I'm worse than that. I need to put them on. It makes me feel every single morning. It makes you feel 100 years old where I sit up and I'm like,

I can't really see the world. And then I put on my eye glasses. Like Benjamin Franklin, wasn't he wearing glasses? Like I'm still just throwing these glasses on in the morning so I can see it's, you know, I could wear context, but I'm a glasses guy now. That's just what it is. Well, the reason I asked is because I, you know, I had these movers moved my big stuff from New York to Scottsdale.

And my dresser, I think somebody's fucking with me because my dresser, just like all of the drawers, you know, the handles are just, like, somebody unscrewed the handles and then just screwed them on, on the inside of the, so like, I legit now, I, like, can't open the drawers. I have to, like, almost rip my fingernails off, like, trying to claw into the drawers. And I don't, I can't figure out if there was, like, any justifiable reason other than to fuck with the person on the other end of this, that somebody would do this. Maybe it's because when they were,

maybe when they were moving it, like, now it's like flush. So like the handles wouldn't break, right? So like if it's sliding around or something, the handles wouldn't break, and now it's flush. You know,

I thought about that. Like that, but then like, why would you screw them in? Why wouldn't you put them inside the drawers or something and tape them down? Like, why would you screw them in for the other person,

which is now me, to have to like try to solve, all the puzzle. It's, I like, you should see me clawing at it like a cat.

It's fucking crazy. Similar thing happened to Cam and Mitchell from Modern Family and they had a butter knife by the drawer and they would just

stick the knife in there and crowbar it open essentially. So you can try to do that. I don't, I don't have any knives. I got to order fucking.

I got a couple of my golf bag if you want a couple you know what I'm saying. Ah, yay! Yeah. I'm going to close it out with a fact that Jake Bass texted us,

which he's notoriously very confidently wrong about stuff, but I'm going to say it anyways, which is it says it turns out that the queen can commit any crime just about anywhere in the world and get away with it legally, thanks to the fact that she enjoys both sovereign immunity and diplomatic immunity. Yeah, 100%. She can basically get away with murder if she deems it in necessity, which is a crazy power.

So you say she has no power and no government influence, she can just go kill someone. Seems like a lot of fucking influence and power to me. Trent hates the queen. The royals, they're fucking frauds, man. All right. We're going to go to Josh Jumel,

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That's not too bad. Pretty good, Trent. I've definitely been in the mid-20s when I was really in a bad spot. So 11's not so bad. I got, how many, I got seven hours and 54 minutes of sleep last night. So that's pretty good. That's solid. I got six hours and ten minutes of sleep and I only had seven disturbances.

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Go to whoop.com, 15% off with code 4 today. All right, folks, we're joined by a very special guest. You probably know him from Transformers. Maybe if you're a big daytime TV fan, you may know him from that as well. He's got some good golf background, which we only get into. So Josh Dumel, welcome to the show, my friend. Thanks for having me, boys.

Absolutely. We're pumped to have you on. So let's start with the new movie, Buddy Games. you know, obviously a lot of people are going to know you from different roles you've been in. This is a little different for you. You're writing, directing, starring. You know, how different is some project like this versus the other stuff you've done? Well, this was easily the most challenging job I've ever had.

But at the same time, the most rewarding in that I got to be a part of it from the very inception all the way through now to let the world see it. So it's been, it's been a long journey. I won't even get into all the, all the obstacles that come with something like this. It surprises me actually that any movie is made, having gone through this now, because it is, it is, it is a slog. Yeah, like, where does somebody even start with,

hey, I'm going to, I'm going to write and we're just going to create a movie, right? Like, if I was going to do something like the obstacles, the hurdles that must exist, I mean, obviously you're connected, you've been in the industry, but it's almost like you might as well ask me to just build a fucking iPhone from scratch. Like, I don't even know where you would start. Yeah, and I'm with you. I didn't really know where to start either.

All I knew was that we had an idea based on this thing that my buddies and I do every year called Buddy Games. We've been doing it for like 20 years with all my closest friends. Third weekend of August, we get together, and it's a weekend of debauchery and a lot of games and it's very competitive. and, you know, every one of these guys looks forward, looks forward to it like they do Christmas. So we had this idea. My friend Bob and I, we call him the Bobfather. I play him in the movie on a movie based on this idea. And, you know, we just slowly started writing things down.

And then eventually I started writing a script. And my friend Jude Wang, who's an actual writer, came in and sort of helped me structurally with the script. And we took it to WWE. And they loved it. Had us write it, rewrite it, rewrite it, rewrite it, until we got it to a place where we could actually make it. And, you know, it was, it was a long process, but so much fun. And I got to, I got to sort of craft and shape the story that I wanted to tell. And I wanted this to be something that was going to shock people. It was going to make people laugh out loud.

That was, those were the kind of movies that I love. I also wanted to have, you know, I didn't want to just make a movie that was just dumb gags. I wanted to earn the laughs by building and story and sort of paying them off with some funny sort of antics. And we did it. And I can't wait for people to see it. So November 24th, it's coming up quickly. How do you get like nervous as hell for this kind of stuff?

Yeah, I do. I mean, anytime you have something coming out, especially something, this is new for me because I've been so involved for so long. And it is really, it's hard hitting. This movie's very hard hitting. So, you know, when I first, when we first showed it, we screened it twice. And I was probably more nervous then than I am now because I have a pretty fucked up sense of humor. And I was just sure people were going to get the humor.

And we have video of the people reacting in the theater that was just like, like literally curling over laughing because they couldn't believe. It's like those moments that you can't unsee. I cannot believe they actually went there. And we do that quite a bit in this movie. And people loved it, you know. And right now I think that people probably want something that's a little politically incorrect.

And that's what this movie is. Hell yeah. Yeah, I mean, I can't even imagine because, you know, I mean, we're obviously not making movies and comedies, but some of, like, our goal is to, we're bars. Like, we're trying to make people laugh. and chill out. And when they come back from work

or they take a break from work, like we want to entertain them and usually humor. You try to make people laugh. And there is always like when you think you got something and you think you're going to make people laugh or you got a bit,

a buffet of fucking bits that you're doing or whatever it is. It's all nerve wreck. Because if it doesn't land, you just look like such an asshole. Well, it lands over here, man. I'm telling you. I love bars.

I love the fact that you guys don't care. You know, and you're not apologetic about it. I love that. It's got to be, it's a little. little different though like we put out a tweet and if it doesn't do well it's like all right on to the next one you do like um if you're doing if you have a screening you've been working on this thing forever

and then you showed up there's no you can't be more exposed than that doing a screening after you done all that hard work that's got to be terrified yeah it is but it was it was also reassuring to you know in a few times we did get to see people watch it they loved it so i i feel like people whether this is their type of movie or not. Well, listen, I know they were probably going to get slammed by the critics because it is, it's not their, it's not their type of movie, but I'm, I'm confident than people, whether they'll admit it or not, will think the movie's funny just because it's just so outrageous. Good. Buddy games, November 24th, so people keep a, keep a lookout and check it out. Let's get into, I want to talk a little bit of golf, obviously. I came across a little piece you were

talking about, you know, wanting to play golf with Mark Wahlberg. when you guys were working together. That is his style of golfism for you. We've talked about it on this show because you've seen these reports. They're like, Mark Walker plays golf in like eight minutes or whatever. So you've got to tell us about his game. Well, he's a good player. And he's one of the most regimented and hardworking dudes I've ever, ever worked with.

That guy's got, he's got a routine. And part of that routine is getting a, up at like the crack of dawn and running 18 holes. We did go, we did go play once or twice. And it was a little bit more casual than that. He didn't put me through that. I kind of, I was kind of hoping he was going to. But we just played normal golf when we went and played. But part of what he does and part of his, you know, he loves the game of golf and he loves exercise and he sort of found a way to mix the two together. That's incredible. I mean, we were, you know, again, I can't remember.

some article a couple years ago, but like, yeah, like Mark Lawburg is, he averages like 24 minutes or whatever the hell it was for a round at all. We're like, is this one of those Kim Jong-run things where they're like just putting out random facts about somebody that can't be true? But I guess you're right. Like, if you really want to work out and you're going to go running and you really love golf, why wouldn't marry the two and go figure it out? It makes perfect sense. I mean, that guy gets up at like 4.30 in the morning, does a full workout, then goes in golfs. I mean, that's not even the first thing he does at the ass crack of Don. I mean, he's already done a full workout. God. So, I don't know. The guy's the machine. So the AT&C Pebble Beach Pro Am, you've been involved

in that. I think one year you took third with Tony Fienow. Is that right? I took third with Fienow and I took second one year with Sergio. Oh. Close a couple times. Those are the only two times I made the cut. But we almost won it. What's it like playing with Sergio out there? I mean, he's kind I don't know, I feel like he's been a little bit of a polarizing guy. You see really cool sides of him and then you see other, you know, he's splashing sand and dragging his feet in Saudi Arabia. What's he like playing with him? Yeah, I loved it.

I loved the dude. You know, anybody who isn't afraid to just, who isn't worried about what people think about him, I like that, you know, and that's Sergio. He doesn't really care. He's a really good dude. He's a fun guy to hang out with. I had an awesome time playing with him.

He actually didn't play his best while we were playing, but he was still cool, very cool. You're saying you carried the New Jersey. I played out of my ass on Sunday. I've never played. First of all, I was so nervous to play. Because, you know, you play the first three days of that tournament, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, and it's you and another amateur.

And, you know, the crowds are all there. But then Sunday, it gets real. Now these guys are really playing for money. And I was, you know, the first couple holes, I, you know, I don't know if you played a couple of beats before. Yep. So, you know, on whole one, you've got, you have that little dog leg right. And then the T-box for two is right on the, is right next to the green.

Well, I hit a, I usually do hit a wicked slice, and I hit a really bad slice on whole number one, landed on the T-box on two. and VJ, who was it, VJ, and I think of Luke Donald, and somebody else were all, they had to wait to wait to T.F so I could, you know, this Piddly-Lameter could come up and hit his second shot. But that's just one of many. I mean, I have so many, like, it's, I sometimes wonder why I put myself through that humiliation every year, because it is inevitable that you're going to do something really

stupid and you're going to step in somebody's line, you're going to hit on their T-box, you're going to hit out a turn, whatever it is, you're going to do it. And I've done it, you know, every year I've played that thing. But there's probably a flip side to that, right? If you hit a great shot, there's no feeling like that when you're in front of all these people and you're in front of pro golfers. Yeah, it is. It is. I think that that's what we, I think that's what we all keep coming back for, you know, nine out of ten times we'll do something, you know, we'll duff and we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, We'll slice and whatever, but then you get that perfect shot, and that's what keeps you coming back.

There's another one on 18 on that same round. Let me just, I'll tell this one really quick, because this one is just so humiliating. So we're on 18 coming in, you know, you got the whole crowd. I yank my first, my drive off 18, way left, barely stayed in bounds. But I had a stance. I could hit the ball. I yanked it again. You know, they got that big sand trap on the left.

Well, I yanked it left of that, and they've got all those rocks and stones down below. Well, it bounces once, it bounces twice, and then bounces up into the sand trap right short of the green. I'm like, and Sergio was like, are you fucking kidding me? You didn't believe that it actually stayed. It bounced, bounce, and then bounced back in bounce. That's not even the worst part of the story. So then I'm so excited that I've got a chance to like birdie this thing and have a

chance to win it that I get up there. You know, everybody's, I feel like everybody's watching me. I'm probably going to TV right now. I get up there. And I hit the ball out of the sand. Nice shot. It's about to land. All of a sudden, another ball comes flying.

And so I hit out of turn. John Sending was actually the one who was supposed to be hitting, but I got up there completely thinking that it was about me. And again, on 18. Just another humiliating moment at AT&T. It just never. Oh, man. That's the amateur world, though.

You know, we all make mistakes. We're not perfect pro golfers. I love that you thought you're like, all the TVs are on me. All the people are on sending. They're all on sending. That is great. It is such a funny dichotomy.

Like you've got these PGA tour pros, the best players in the world. They're trying to win a PGA tour of a million dollars. Then you've got these weekend golfers. just slapping it around. Oh, God. They must hate us, man. I bet you they just, they probably hate playing that tournament.

I mean, the ones that do play it are the ones that don't mind. They're actually not so tightly strong, and they just go out there and they understand what it is because we do get in their way. There's no doubt about it. You have any golf course or golf tournament encounters with Alfonso Rivera at all? Oh, yeah. I see him every year out there. So we've had him on the show a few times, and he always gets super analytical about

golf and start playing and stuff to us. Oh, God. He takes some record of other people in the wild because we have them on for like 30 minutes a year and he just goes deep into swing planes and all guys. Oh, man. Yeah, he takes the game very seriously. He's gotten, I've seen that dude improve a lot over the last few years. He's like Kenny G.

Those guys, he's probably got some little one of those little setups down in his basement with all the stuff. Yeah, he was telling us he had like an RV and he's just driving around the whole country and like an RV during quarantine and stopping at different courses. But yeah, we get into it pretty deep golf with him all.

That actually sounds fun. I like golf, but I'm not, you know, I like the idea of that. How's your game overall? Not great. You know, I mean, I just haven't been able to play much the last couple of years.

I mean, I can still go out and I'm probably mid-80s. pretty good. I can break 80 once in a while, but not often. That's the sweet spot. That's beautiful. That's beautiful. That's what you want.

That's also the sweet spot because we've always said if you get better than that, if you're like a scratch, if golf would just be boring. And then you don't get this. Yeah, and then you don't get the strokes you want at the AT&T. Right. I like to keep it around a nine or ten. Exactly. That's perfect.

You get too low, you don't get any strokes. You get fucked out there. You have no trickling. Yeah. on set, I mean, you know, are you guys trying to get out and play golf? Are you too busy when you're filming? So right now, I'm in one of the most interesting situations I've ever been in work-wise. So we're in Mexico City right now.

And I've been in this hotel for three weeks, going on our fourth week, without being able to leave. So we're all locked in this place. Cast, crew, staff at the hotel, everybody's here. And it's like a mix between. you know, a dorm and prison. Holy shit. Yeah. So, but I got to say it's been a lot.

I was, I almost didn't do it because of that. But it's been kind of fun, you know, it's really has because it's, it's like this, we've become this tightly knit group. We can, you know, the set is just right above me. So we just, I just literally get out of bed and then go up to the set. There's no driving. You're just kind of there. And then you get to, you get to, you get to, you get to, you're just.

chance to really kind of work stuff out as far as the movie. What do you guys do? You have like video games or ping pong or anything? So we have this thing called Jim's bar, which is right down in the parking lot at the hotel where we got ping pong, we got video games, we got karaoke the other night. My birthday was on Saturday. So we had a big sort of if I drank a lot of tequila. But you know, that's kind of what people, and we work six days a week. So on that Saturday night, people go down there. And we just, and I brought my remote control car. Whoa. Look at that thing.

All right. We'll have races. You know, we build this little track and, you know, these time trials, whoever has the lowest time gets $100 bucks. That sounds like summer camp.

It kind of is. It's like dorm camp prison film set. Prison doesn't add a positive spin to it, but everything else sounds pretty good. He wants you to know that there are some dark times. I think that's why he keeps adding a prison part. Yeah, actually, it's been pretty good. I got to say, they're taking good care of us here.

I miss my boy. You know, I haven't been away from him for this long ever, but, you know, I'll see him soon enough. You got a go-to karaoke song that you've been ripping? What did I sing the other night? I sang, I will be your hero by Enrique Iglesias, just brought the house down. Wow. That's not an easy karaoke song. No.

It was my first time going at it. It wasn't good. I think I saw on like a Dan Patrick interview that Africa was one of your go-to songs in karaoke. That's a good one. It's always a good one. What's the one by Tom Jones? She's a lady. That's a good one.

Oh, yeah, that's a really good one. Yeah, Barstall, we got some bad history with karaoke, so I think a lot of us try to stay away from it. We had a couple of coworkers gotten some trouble that were smashing bottles. So it can get wild, I guess. Oh, wow. Nice.

Oh, wow. Well, look, we appreciate the time. Excited for the movie, like you said. People are out there belly laughing, so that's always a good sign. Anytime you're out there getting, you know, a little politically incorrect and getting after it, I think we're pumped to see it.

Yeah, I hope you guys check it out. It's a lot of fun. Sweet. Thanks, thanks, Josh. We appreciate the time, man. Take care, guys. Thanks, man. Nice to meet you.

All right about my tardiness. No worries. Enjoy prison, summer camp, whatever it is. All right. Take care.