Fore Play - How good is a blindfolded Rory McIlroy?

Episode Date: November 21, 2019

How dangerous is Australia? Could we die by snake? Shark? Croc? Spider? Scorpion? Could Rory McIlroy beat Frankie blindfolded? Who should Tiger have tapped to replace Brooks Koepka? All that, plus a chat with our 2019 Barstool Classic champions!!!You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

Hey, 4Play listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. On Thursday, November 21st, a week away from Thanksgiving. Love Thanksgiving. Fantastic. Can't wait for Thanksgiving. What's your favorite Thanksgiving? What does that mean?

I'm not going to get into it with you again today. No, yeah, Trent's not a big. What's the, what's the, you're not a big family person. No, I do love my family quite a bit. What a not? I don't know what that meant. You're not a big what. It has changed for me.

It's, you know, I don't go home for Thanksgiving at all. So I just sort of like hang out. What do mean? You don't go home? Because it seems strange to me. I do love my family. Again, quite a bit. Most people know their family go home for Thanksgiving.

I think it's crazy a little bit for a person who, I mean, I don't have that much money. So to fly home a month before I'm going to be there for like a week, that isn't, that doesn't make sense to me. So like I just, I don't go home anymore. I just go home for the holidays. That's what life's all about, man. Life's not about, you know, that's like. That's like, that is just what it is. You'd like to be home.

Financially, it doesn't make sense. But, yes, I guess that's true. What's a better thing to spend your money on than a holiday with your family, Tram? Great point. I don't, I feel like I'd be scraping the bottom of the barrel if I'm trying to get home on Thanksgiving and Christmas. So I just prefer to just hang out for Thanksgiving. And then it makes the anticipation that much more when I finally see my family, whom I love a whole lot, when I finally see them in December. What's your guys favorite side dish aside from the turkey?

Like what's your favorite Thanksgiving side dish? The gravy, just like the mashed days and gravy. And getting that gravy all over everything. Stuffing and just cover the plate. What kind of stuffing? Cover it like Vince Vaughn. What kind of stuffing? I don't know.

Just regular stuffing. Stovetop. Oh. Right? I mean. Well, don't act like this isn't like a question. My dad makes a mean. It's not a question for me.

I've never, I don't even. It's a huge debate. Like do you like homemade with all the goodies in it? Some people put cranberries in it and all that stuff. Or do you get the stove top? Dovetop stuffing. Pre-made. Pre-made.

You take it out of the box. You put it in a little fucking pot. Obviously, I don't help too much with the cooking. So whatever's easiest for them. I don't help any. I have no idea what they do. I know that I just go by the buffet situation. Strategy of brining.

You brine it, which is cool. But I don't know much. And so if you want to do the easiest route out, that's fine. I'm literally going to cover the whole plate and grave. I love deviled eggs. Do you guys like that little devil's eggs? Oh, so good. They're great.

Those are gone, like, within the first 10 minutes of our family. It's a little red powder on top of that. It's a paprika? I think so. Paprika. Whoa. I love double eggs. I know how those things are made.

Do you make deviled eggs by yourself in the morning? No. No. No, but I know my sister. It doesn't make anything. My sister does make them so I know how they're made, but I don't make them. No, I don't make anything. I can't be trusted in the kitchen.

You know what I'll say. You never know how many rolls, like how important like rolls and bread are to a meal until somebody, one year, somebody who was in charge of the world. You know, we do like you divvy it up. What's the word I'm trying to think of? You allocate. Okay. Or, no, no, you, hold on.

It's not outsource. Not outsource. No, no. There's a word. It's, I know it. You have everybody. When you put responsibilities on it, there's a word for it. It's not like a phrase.

No, no. It's not dictate. It's not even a sign. It's, uh, I'm trying to think you, not relegate, not regular. Delegate. Delegate. Delegate. Delegate.

Delegate. Delegate. Delegate. Delegate. different items to different folks in the family. And one year, somebody I'm not going to name names. And our family just didn't bring enough rolls.

We have a gigantic family. My mom's one of 12 kids. My dad's one of six kids. We have a huge family. And one person just didn't bring enough rolls one year. So, you know, like three, fours of the people just didn't get rolls. And it was, you don't realize how much that, how important that is,

especially you take half the roll. You break it in half. And then you dip it through and slide it through the mashed potatoes and the gravy that's kind of lying around on your plate. Would you just type in on your laptop? I was with one time my aunt put water chestnuts in the green bean casserole, and it was, I thought a fight was going to break out. Normally, she makes very good green bean casserole, and it's just green beans and the casserole part of it. Again, I don't know how it's made.

No. But she put water chestnuts in it, which they don't taste like anything, and they're just simply like for a crunch. People were not happy at all. We're Midwestern folks, you and I, Trent Danny. When you start to church things up, it does not fly. You keep it simple. Just put butter in it. And then we're good.

Play the hits. If you received a delegation or someone told you you had to bring something, what would you bring? No, no, you delegate like purposely. Otherwise, everybody brings the same thing. You don't have a meal. Yes, yes. So they tell you exactly what you have to do. I would, I would buy pies.

I would buy pies. I would buy pies. That's what I would hope I would get the receiving of of a delegation of the pies. I would have to legitimately date someone for a couple weeks who cooks, make them figure it out and then bring that. I mean, I don't know how else. I can't cook anything. No, no. Yeah, I would just buy the stuff pre-made.

I don't like pie. I will say, I used to be able to make this little Bree thing, this little cheese plate. That was fantastic. Bree? You can't make anything. You get these, like, you get these, you know those like rolls that you roll up yourself, but they're kind of like pre-made at the supermarket? Yeah. You put that.

Yes, Pillsbury. You put that on the bottom, put the thing of Bree on top. Then you cover that with jelly, brown maple syrup, sugar, and then syrup on top. And then you enclose it. Damn. And then you just put that in the oven. It's actually very simple, but it comes out tasting heaven. You like Pillsbury, huh?

I love Pillsbury. You're a little doughboy. Yeah, yeah. I'm a deli. Sure. No one of those rooms down. Little deli. Stove-top stuffing and fried cauliflower is the answer for me.

I will say green bean casserole is a good call. That's a pop-fried cauliflower like it's popcorn. If somebody nails green bean cassero, it could really stand out among the meal. Right. No water chestnuts. No. We're not going to have a new show on Thanksgiving, right? We'll have a new show Tuesday, not on Thursday.

Right. So happy Thanksgiving. Happy Thanksgiving. Happy Thanksgiving. Happy Thanksgiving. We're just going to do this again on the next. To TransFam. We'll do it on Tuesday again.

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We love you. How do you guys feel about people who are into Christmas already? I've seen some people like posting Instagram stories and stuff and they're like, they're like living rooms or decorated for Christmas. I'm incredibly into Christmas. Love it. Love it. Love it.

If I could start doing it in August, I would. Yep. I like to give Thanksgiving it to do. Thanksgiving. Then post Thanksgiving. Then you turn it right over and a Christmas. I love Christmas. Trent,

I don't know if you really do love things. You're skipping over there already. Yeah, yeah. No, I see it as a mere speed bump on the way to Christmas. Okay, so I think that, boom, off you go. Boom. I think. Let's start watching. Thanksgiving, it's due, you know, the fall, autumn kind of nice thing.

I don't like Thanksgiving as much as I like Christmas. I don't even think it's on the same, it's in the same stratosphere. For me, it's in the same bucket now. Wow. I don't, I don't agree with that. I'm with the two folks on my left, which are Thanksgiving has a horrifying, like, backstory. Everything about it's just, you know, you really want to get into it.

Frankie shows up again. You're really going to do that. Christmas is about birth and, you know, rejuvenation and life. No, you don't know. It's about life and it's about, you know, friends and family. Thanksgiving is a horror story. We don't have to turn back the clock. It's about the lights.

It's about the movies. It's about the music. That's right. And it's about the way it made you feel as a child. I don't celebrate Christmas because of its, like, religious background. I celebrate it because culture has turned it into. to an iconic month-long celebration of just being with people and being merry and happy and trying to basically stave off winter and act like it's all a good time and we're all happy

that the next four months are going to be miserable. And I'm all into that. So here's the one thing that I'm upset about this year is that we are, and it's crazy because we're going to be the trip of a lifetime, but we're going during Christmas in New York. Like we're missing all of Christmas in New York. I hadn't even thought about that. We're missing the entire thing.

Like the whole buildup, we're going to be in 80 to 90 degree weather in Australia. It's going to be awesome, but like, if you were to take that trip and put it in February or January, where after all the fun had happened, now you have nothing, it's just an abyss of just coldness, and then you go to Australia, it's great. We're going in a time in which we want to be here. You know what I'm saying? Huge miss by the President's Cup to not. Huge miss by the President's in January. Imagine we got back from New Year's Christmas and then we just went to Australia. Could they have chosen, like, a different month, or does it have to be?

Well, it doesn't make sense because the PGA tour schedule. Okay. This is like when they're not playing, so they kind of got to do it now. you're right I have a lot of things on here I want to talk about for our Australia trip I didn't I hadn't we're going to miss every Christmas party every single one oh yeah now ugly sweater parties there's also a pretty cool part to where like when we get back from Thanksgiving then we're just basically off until like January because we're in Australia yeah out of the office for sure right which is cool which is sick really cool and one of the perks here at parcel support is that whole time from like a couple days

before Christmas starts until January 2nd we're just just off every year, which is magical. So that's, those are the positives. Those are the positives. Well, yeah, Lurge, we all know you get fucked on this. I can never, my friends go back to work on December 26th. I just don't understand how that that's possible. I was hitting my brother up about next week.

I'm like, you know, what's your schedule next week? He's like, well, I work Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, and Friday. And I was like, wait, what? I'm off like almost the whole. So, Lurge, next week's a joke for us. I got a look at my calendar. We're pretty flexible to work from home days and tech software. world. Most of the world works on Christmas TV thing, half day maybe.

Well, so the problem in sales, too, you're trying to get your contracts in before the end of the year. Like, if you're trying to chase someone down and they're on the holidays, first of all, tough chase down. Second off, you're probably just going to, you know, that sales is not coming in. Right. Because if it's, you know, a decent size deal, you're not looking for, like, one approval. You might be trying to track down like six different checkoffs. Like, yes, we are moving forward with these people. So to factor that in, it's just not going to happen.

Rividing stuff. Yeah. Sales reps will be chasing. announce signatures going through the end of December, but... Very cool stuff. We were talking about President's Cup a second ago. Brooks Kebka has withdrawn from the President's Cup due to his injury. I think a lot of people saw this coming.

He slipped on like some concrete or carpath or whatever when he was Ibogiev in Korea. It's so soft to say all the time. It's just a tough injury. Well, he had come back from like an injury, right? I know. And then he like retweaked it. Just saying slipped on concrete just always makes me giggle a little bit. You think so?

Not me. He slipped on concrete. I mean, seeing people. You're wearing cleats can be kind of easy. I know what the reasoning is. I know it could happen. You get guys on like NFL who like would run through like and hit like the concrete part around like the field and like mess shit up too.

Like I don't know. I'm just saying it's like. I don't think that at all. It's like it. It's like you slipped on some concrete. I don't think of it like that at all. I do. People falling.

No. I'm not saying. Well, people falling is pretty damn funny. It's hysterical. We love to see. People coming out of the ocean when they get clipped by. I don't know. I'm not saying I would have laughed at Brooks Kepka when he fell,

but there's a decent chance because it's like people fall on ice. That's another thing we're going to miss one in Australia. Walking around New York City, you just see people fall on ice. That shit's funny. And then when obviously it comes back around and I'm going to fall probably a bunch. But when you see people fall, how often do you guys fall? Dude, last year I fell on ice in the city.

Not often, but I mean, there's that little gap when you walk off the sidewalk that collects water right there. And sometimes when you're like jaywalking, sprinting across the street or whatever, you can start to wiggle a little bit. I lost my complete. complete balance one time. Feet came out under me and I landed on my back.

I haven't done it in a couple years, but it hurts. I didn't hit my head, man. You going down, Lurch has got to be a scene. Crack the ice. It hurt. Crack the cement. Watch it, pal. The subway halts me.

I was just leaching over his back and just giving me a little bunch right to face. It's been a few years, like Lurch said since I fell, like, feet out from under me and like hit my head. But I'll always have a few stumbles during the season, yeah. Totally. I stumble more going upstairs. I'm very bad at going upstairs. stairs. I always clip my foot on the top of like one of the last stairs. I do that all the time.

Nice. Not ice related? Nope. No. You catch yourself, but I don't go fully down, but I do that quite a bit, but I don't fall on ice. I don't know who you guys are falling on ice all the time. I think we're humans. I think it's pretty common to fall on ice all the ice. I don't know. The ground becomes. You see people fall on ice all the time. That's nuts. No, but that's sort of, it's sort of like, ooh, it's an event when it happens. But it does happen. You're going to miss out. You're going to miss out on that. I know. Two weeks. We're going to be in Australia. We've got a lot to get to in Australia. I want to talk about. the Brooks Keppka thing really quickly. Ricky Fowler is in. Brooks Keppka's out. You know, Kiz, we obviously tried to make some pushes for kids. We did a whole bit on our show a couple shows ago about kids, I think 15, 4 and 2 career matchplay record.

He won the WGC Dell matchplay this year in Austin for losing in the finals last year to Bubba Watson. So clearly he's a bit of a bulldog out there in the matchplay circuit. He played in the President's Cup two years ago and was phenomenal. He's out there with Phil. They're shaking and bacon. He's boys with everybody. He got, I think, the most votes as, like, the top guy you want to be paired with randomly out on the PGA tour because he's a guy's guy. They love him.

He's tight with everyone on the team. You would think Kevin Kisner would have gotten a pick. He drives the ball straight. He puts it great. These are huge qualities in team events because they become about staying in the hole, making sure you have looks for birdie, especially in, like, four ball, where you just got two guys trying to, you know, make puts or alternate shot. You got to make a big 10-footer for par to keep the thing going. He's very good at that. But I will say, Kis has been kind of playing like shit lately.

He over in China, his last round, I think, like, Patrick Reed shot like 65 and kids shot like 76. And then a couple days later, they picked like Captain's Picks for the President's Cup. And it was like, which one are you going to take? And then now they take Ricky over him. Kiz, as we mentioned, I think finished tied for like 76 this past week in myakoba. So I think had he been playing lights out, had he had a couple top 20s, top tens in the last few events that he'd been out combined with the other things.

we listed. I think he'd be a very good shot for having gotten one of the, you know, five captain's picks that there ended up being. But, uh, but no, he did not get it. Ricky Fowler is in. So, uh, so that's the squad. No kids. Bummer. Sad. We'll be down there. I don't know how much access we're going to have. Uh, we're going to try to get as much as we can. We're going to try to mix it up with the players. We'll be around that president's cup. We'll be in Melbourne. We'll be, um, you know, we'll be all over. We're going to be doing a lot of different things in Australia. That's the next part of the trip that I wanted to get to. or the next part of the show that I wanted to get to is Australia.

Now, we're going to be there for about two weeks. I spoke to my brother yesterday, and he was going on and on and on about how dangerous it is. He's like, no, no, it's like everything there could kill you. It's like, I don't think you guys understand that. I was like, well, what do you mean? He's like, well, the snakes. He's like, there's just more venomous, dangerous snakes in Australia than anywhere else in the world.

We don't have a great track record of avoiding those. We don't. Give it a North Carolina trip. We don't have a very good. radar in general for where they might eat. He said sharks. There's great white sharks all over the place. There's bull sharks will kill you.

Saltwater crocodiles. They're the biggest and most aggressive in the entire world. Spiders. The spiders there, I guess, are like extremely dangerous. Somebody said they're extremely large. Like they're huge. How big. I might hate spiders more than I hate snakes.

And then... Absolutely. And then one of the other concerns is scorpions. Apparently, if you like leave your shoes out at night, you got to empty those. things before you put them on the next morning because there'll be a scorpion and you're waiting for your little foot to go in there. I heard that.

That's a pro tip. I'll definitely be doing that. So I started doing up upon returning to my apartment after having this conversation on my walk home with my brother, I just was Googling, I googled how dangerous is Australia. And the first result was, Australia is infamous for its dangerous animals. With more deadly snakes than any other country worldwide, it isn't surprising. Though shark, spiders and snakes get the majority of bad press, it is actually an awesome array of predators and venomous critters that have earned Australia its fearsome reputation.

So then I was looking at like this list of top 30 most dangerous animals in Australia. It says the inland Taipan, Taipan, is unbelievably elusive. It says it's usually in remote locations. This remote location is one reason there have been no recorded deaths by this species. Thank God. Even though one bite contains enough venom to kill several humans. What do you think the percent chance is that one? A lot of us has a run in with an animal that, you know, it gets a little touch and go there for a little bit.

There was a video on our four. Higher than you think. On our foreplay, kind of a kangaroo just attacking a forsome on the golf course. And then this one on the bottom is says, Riggs, you will definitely see a ton of kangaroos in Australia. I just looked it up. There are 25 million people in Australia and 50 million kangaroos. Oh, shit. There's double the amount of kangaroos in people.

Two to one. People say they're like squirrels there. Yeah, so you're just everywhere. They're like, you're going to see a kangaroo there. It's just like squirrels. You're going to see them running around, like all over the place. The last two times we've talked about kangaroos on the show, one. The guy got, you know, into a boxing match with one.

And the second one, like, Frankie was just talking about was the one who just ran up on a force of a guy. He tried to swing his golf club out of him, and he went down. Do they regularly attend boxing events? Like, how do they know to just square up to people? Someone DM me that, like, usually, like, the female ones will get, like, agitated and run after you. And then if, like, the men. lazy, large kangaroo, like notices that the female is like in an altercation. He will like join in and then it's good night.

Then it's over. You're going to get stomped to get to death. Do you know the size difference or males? I don't, but I just know that like you can be murdered by a kangaroo if they want to. What I will say, it'd be great for content if we got attacked by a kangaroo, but we just have to be ready for that to actually happen. Like it'll be funny afterwards, but we might have to come with some sort of plan, some sort of like, form. that we get into when it's like, hey, it's kangaroo time. There's one running down the fairway right now.

I'm just saying we're a large male kangaroo can be six foot seven tall, 200 pounds. Oh my God. Six, seven, two hundred pounds. Imagine this thing walking up to you, six seven. And it's arms up here. You know what? It's bouncing out. I'm going to tell you this box in the belly and it's like not even like noticing that on there.

I'm going to say this. I don't have to be faster in the kangaroo. I just got to be faster than the three of you clowns. That's all I'm worried about. Dude, how fast you think a kangaroo can run? Oh, no. How fast do you think you can't? kangaroo can run.

I mean, because you said it like that. 28 miles an hour. 40 miles per hour. 44 miles an hour. What? Yes. I mean, what? What?

The comfortable hopping speed is 16 miles an hour. Comfortable? That's like full speed. But speeds up to 44 miles an hour can be attained over short distances. 44. Should we all measure our top speed before we go down? A kangaroo can sustain a 25 mile an hour hop and run for 1.2 miles. I'm dead.

You're dead. I mean, he's going to catch you and beat the shit out of it. And then once he gets on with me, he's going to have enough time to catch you. You're right. There's got to be a plan. Like, if you're getting attacked, like, I don't know, do somebody come in with a form tackle? Dude, their kicks are, their kicks. Oh, their kicks could.

Punch, I'm not that worried about. The kick. It's like a horse. If you're looking upstairs for the hands and then a foot comes. The red kangaroo from Australia has a lightning fast double kick that can tear you open from sternum. to the top of legs. You know what they do? You know what kangaroos do?

One lightning speed kick has a force of 850 PSI. They should put a bigger engine in the golf cart. I don't think we have. I think we're going to be like walking. I've watched a few kangaroo fight videos and what they do is they'll sit on their tail and kick with their legs. So they keep themselves up and they kick. Keep themselves up and they kick. It's going to be like one of those.

50 PSI. I don't even know what that means. It's going to be like one of those UFC clips when they're squared up and the guy just fucking side kicks you right in the head. and the guy just dies. Not even going to see it coming. Yeah, I might have to change the thing. Are we going to have a running or are we all going to get back alive? Also, for reference, the fastest man in the NFL, Tyree Kill, his max speed this season is 23 miles per hour.

Yeah. They can try. They can try and faster than that. A lion can go 50 miles per hour. This thing goes 44. It's like getting chased by a... Think about those clips on like Planet Earth, about how fast those lions are going. So my brother was telling me that they make, and we might have to acquire these for, let's go back to the snakes.

they make like snake armor that you can put on kind of like socks on your legs that like if they bite you it won't penetrate through your skin I'm getting it done so I think we all need to show up with armor was it like it's like armor it's like chain link yeah as soon as I heard that yeah we should get chain link yeah I'll show up like pants that are chain link I'll show up like a little bit better helps like balance on the on the on the T-box too yeah if we all did chain link we were saying this imagine what we would sound like um like the British army coming like I'll just say I'll wear a whole medieval night outfit out there to not get a tag. How fast do you think giraffes run? Not that fast. Okay. Drafts are too big and gangling. But still, they got some, they got some. I mean, one stride is going to take them 20 feet. How fast?

20 miles an hour. I'll take the over on that. I'll take 32. 37. Oh, yeah. Imagine a giraffe going 37 miles an hour. That's a house. Maximum sprint.

Have you ever watched giraffes fight? That's scary. They launch their heads at each other. Hit each other with their necks. Yeah. Dude, it's actually hilarious. Wait, do they get like, uh, torque with a lot? Yeah, they lag.

It's just they neck. We won't, we won't bog down the show right now with draft fighting commentary. I think we will. But it is, it's one of the scariest things I've ever, like you don't expect them to be fighting like the way that they do.

Yeah, because they're herbivores. Right. And they just eat trees and shit all these things. Look at these things. These guys are about to fight each other. All right. Here we go.

Oh my God. Look at that. Look at those heads. Can you believe that? Man, that's a missile coming at you. That's like, like,

you would think that's not how they fight. I don't know how I thought. giraffs would fight, but they just swing their heads at each other. They look like those things outside of, like, wacky inflatable tube man? Yeah, outside of a used car dealership. Yes. Except they're like on a mission. Oh, that was a direct hit.

I mean, how else would they fight, right? Yes, this. If that thing goes down, can you get back up? Yeah. Giraff. Giraff sleep, right? They have to get down. Yeah, but some creatures like sleep staying up.

So what courses are we playing in Australia so that people, maybe they can tell us, like, what kind of animals they have on those courses? So I was going to say this because I want some advice as well. Booking a golf trip in Australia is very difficult. First of all, there's 16 hours ahead. So I'm trying to coordinate with some folks there. Shout out to Ben, aka Ghostie, who's a big listener to the podcast, who's been helping me out. Great help.

We're in pretty good shape. Places we are lined up so far, Barnboogel, which is on Tasmania, which has two courses. They have Lost Farm and the dunes. We're playing there. It's legendary. The whole place looks in these dunes on the water. That's going to be. The place looks outrageous.

Outrace. The pictures are hilarious. hilarious how good it looks on the water but it looks like I don't know how to explain it the other ones closer to bayonne in Australia yes the other ones closer to Melbourne that we're looking at and again we want some advice there are any courses that I'm not listing that we have to play that are publicly accessible let us know but san andrews beach the dunes kingswood peninsula which i think just went through a long renovation just opened up and then the one private that we have on the list is Kingston heath which is supposed to be one of the most iconic sand belt courses you know

this stretch of Australia is famous, the sandbelt for the type of golf and the golf courses, the iconic, like the epic golf courses that are on this stretch. And Kings and Heath is like up there. Some people rated the best course in Australia, one of the top two or three best courses in Australia. So that's the only private that we have on the list because naturally we want to try to play as many publics as we can that other folks could book and play and experience as well if they go. Barwin Woods is another one that we're contemplating.

And then we're also trying to get out at Cape Wickham and Ocean Dunes, which are on King Island, which is like next to Tasmania and is a smaller island. That's supposed to be legendary. I'm trying to work some contacts there. But again, anybody, if you've got any recommendations, anything from the courses that I just listed, that's like a glaring omission, let us know because we don't know anything about it. I'm trying to like Google and you come up with these rankings and a lot of them are like, you know, fraudulent rankings because of people just pay for them and all this BS.

So trying to cut through all that. I got some help on the ground. That's currently what we're looking at. Barnbougal, I think we're just out, like, we're on Tasmania. I feel like that is like international waters. Anything could happen to out there. There's no rules in Tasmania. It's way to just, like, you know how far that is from where we're sitting right now?

Tasmania. Couldn't be more different than New York City. It's so far away from where we're sitting. I actually met a guy that lives in Tasmania that owns a beef jerky farm that I'm trying to sink up with when we're out there. What? Mm-hmm. What? What do you, what?

What do you mean a friend over here? How's you your friend? He married a buddy's sister. He lives in Tasmania. Lives in Tasmania. They have a beef jerky farm over there, and I'm trying to sync up with them. But again, it's like, it's tough. It's tough to, like, readily communicate because every time you send a text, you kind of lose a day.

I have a beef jerky farm. What does that mean? I mean, I don't know. I'm not about to explain that to you. Well, I imagine they grow the creatures and then they kill them, and then you have beef jerky. Is that correct? That's correct. There's probably a little process in there.

But, yeah, that's it. Well, that's the gist. That would be my guess. There's a big jerky come from. This can't be right, right? Cows. I look at a distance from here to Tasmania. How far do you think that is?

That can't be. Well, the number I got. Further than I can swim. Can't be right. 10. No. Let's see. The states is, what, 3,000 miles across?

I'm going to guess 10,000 miles. You are pretty much right on. Is that right? 10,000 miles away from Tasmania right now. Yeah. How does that make you feel, Frankie? That seems short. Okay.

10,000 miles? I don't know. But you got to realize. The states are what, 2,000 miles across? I think it's about 2,000 miles across. Think about like a six and a half, seven hour flight from L.A. to, like, New York. And then you're doing that five times.

Yeah. That might have settled. That was like dumb and dumber. Yeah. 10,366 miles. It's really far. I think we fly like six and a half hours to L.A.X. We have like an hour layover, which I'm not.

My reason it seems short to me is like to go to another. city in New York State, it's like 400 miles, right? Like they go to Buffalo right now. It's like 400 miles. So like to me, 2,000 across the, you said 2,000 across the states? Yeah, that's probably right. I don't know that it's 400 miles to. I just looked at that.

From Florida to Washington. New York City. From New York City right now, it's 373. Do you say diagonal line? Yeah, diagonal. It's from Florida to Washington, so the longest line. You can draw across the states is 2,802 miles. It's like the way you measure a TV.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. I see. Okay. 10,000 miles, a lot of miles. That's all I'm saying. It's a ton of miles. It's a ton of miles. It's a ton.

It's far, but it's not as far as you guys were thinking. I thought you could have said 100,000 miles to me. I would have been like, yeah, that sounds about right. You're not great with these things. No, but that's like how far the moon is. Yeah, I know. Okay. Another thing.

Um, if there's anybody has any recommendations, have done like a meetup in Melbourne like a venue that would help as well. We're thinking about on Saturday and the President's Cup doing like a watch party. Oh, okay. Because that's the day when there will be morning and afternoon sessions because the President's Cup's different than Ryder Cup. They do Thursday and Friday they do one session.

I think they do five groups. And then Saturday they do a morning and an afternoon session. So they'll be like match, play golf all day long. Dude, if we get a decent crowd for a meetup in Melbourne, Australia, I don't know what I'll do. That's what, did we talk about it on the show or off the air where it was like, do we know that we're going to meet three people or 300,000? Don't know yet. Okay. I will say, based on the number of emails we get.

I think if we do a meetup, we're going to have two, like one guy walking in and be like, oh, mate. It's like, is this the made out? Love y'all stuff. How do you mix the Texas and the, you know what the beauty of that is, then we just leave. Yeah. We should go find a golf somewhere and play golf. Unless you Australians will surprise me and you guys, I mean, you show up in droves. Droves.

Here's the thing is Australia is over here. huge golf continent in country and we are a golf podcast I think we have a pretty damn good showing and Melbourne's a very big city so I think that there's a chance we get a lot of emails from Australia

but I like I can't tell if that's like 100% of the people from email from Australia emailing us or you know if that's like a normal representation then there would be a lot more fans that also I think there'll be a lot of Americans down there because it's a president's come true not a ton but I think it'll be a good amount

if you told me that 200 Australians listen to our episodes every day I'd be blown away Well, here you go. On our Instagram, you can look at your insights. And Australia is the fourth largest country of followers that we have on Instagram. It goes, United States makes sense. Canada makes sense.

United Kingdom makes sense. Australia. Wow. Okay. That makes me feel like we... That number could be in the thousands then. Also, we can just pick a bar that's usually pretty popping. Grab the five stories that are in there, take a picture and be like, look at all this.

Look at what we did. We're international. International. We're international. I like that idea a lot. Anybody's got any venues in Melbourne. We don't know anything about it. Let us know.

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He looks at my Insta stories. What does he just think? What does he got to think that like this place is or like what I am? I put such random shit on there. We had him come in one time. We had a great conversation with him. And then on my answer story yesterday, my head's up against the wall,

I'm trying to do the chair challenge in the middle of the office. He's just got to be like, why couldn't you do that? Dude, you can't do it. No, I haven't tried, but I think I can. I don't think there's any way to do it. Men can't do it. Women can.

What could be the science behind that? So what is the challenge? Okay, so basically there's this thing going crazy on the internet where if you put your head up against the wall, leaning over, and you take three of your feet. At a 90 degree angle. And you step back and you're leaned over If you pull a chair to your chest, you, if you are a male, you cannot then just stand right up.

Okay, here's the difference. And I've watched this incredibly close. They don't lean their heads against the wall. You do. No, they do. They barely do. The difference is this. There's two things.

You were pushing your head against the wall and trying to lean up. I was following directions. Yeah, but when you watch Ria do it, her head was just very slightly touching the wall. So there was no, she wasn't using any of the force in her head. There's two things. just know how to do it. One is something to do with center of gravity, which I know producer Andrew just sent us a text about it. I've been getting a lot of DMs about that. And two, women's feet are smaller so they don't have to go far as back so they don't, so the angle isn't as bad.

Those are the two things that I've heard. So you have to go three of your feet lengths away from the wall. That's the way it works. Yes. And then you stay in that position with your feet together. And then you try to, then you have to, somebody puts a chair like on your chest basically. And then you to try to stand straight up with it. You did this in the worst possible spot because you didn't wear, you can't put your head against the wall with the foreplay thing on the wall. Yeah, that was the worst attempt I've ever seen. Yeah, that was, I mean, to like, make it.

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I derailed your European tour conversation. European tour, the race to Dubai, Fitzpatrick. Yeah. You know, I think that he having, you know, like he resides in America now and plays a ton of golf in America and he went to college for like five seconds in America. Yep. And I think he knows Barstool better than we think he does. Fair. I mean, otherwise, like, you know, him seeing the original video and having his caddy go up to Frankie and then like knowing who he were and all that.

I think he's pretty into it. I think he listens to the show now, too. Oh, great. So I think he has a pretty good idea. Hey, Matt, what the hell is going on? Hey, Fitz, good luck this week, buddy. Go get him. Go get them.

Go get them. Fucking play great out there. Dubai, I've been to that golf course that they're playing. In Dubai? Mm-hmm. Why? I think you told that story early on in the show. It was a weird thing, man.

It was like five years ago. Yeah. I guess that's right. 2013, I think it was, like five or six years ago. Yeah. And I was dating this girl, and she worked for a consulting company. So she would be on like several week projects in different places around the world. She's on like a five week deal in Dubai.

And she was like, hey, my company will either fly me back as like part of like when I'm on a consulting gig or they'll like pay for a air quote significant other to come out and visit. They'll like cover the flights and give you like a per diem every day. That's you big man. Do you want to like come out for a week? I was like, fuck yeah, I do. And when I was out there, it happened that this tournament was in town and you can just get tickets for free. If you just gave European Tour.com your email address, they would just give you tickets. It's like, holy shit, you're in Dubai. Come.

Come to the tournament. It's like, are you kidding me? That is exactly what it was. It's just rigged standing by himself. Yep. Can you believe that I'm here? There were five people there. And the guys would just walk right by and it's crazy.

You know, it's similar to some Vegas courses where it's like this perfectly green manicured golf course with like a river and a creek running through it. And then you're just in the desert. Right. With skyscrapers in the background and whatnot. Very cool. But I've been to the golf. course. The Burj Khalifa is the tallest.

I think at the time it was the tallest building in the world. I don't know if it still is. It is so tall you couldn't get it in pictures. Like you couldn't get the whole thing. You couldn't step back far enough. You legit couldn't do it. It was so surprisingly tall to see this thing. Look that fucking Burge Kleeve.

I've seen it. B.R.J. Califa, like Mia. And... Like who? Mia. That point star. No, I know.

She fucks on camera. No, I know. You just retired. Real casually. Just like, just like, you know. Look that thing up. It's just, it's a stunning. That building.

And then they've got the whole area around it. They got like, they do kind of like the belagia with like the fountains. They do like a fountain show every minute or every hour or 30 minutes or something like that. So it's 2,722 feet tall. And to put that in reference, it's like a thousand feet tall than World Trade Center 1. Wow. Right? Because that's 1,800.

Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Again, seeing this thing is so surprised. That's mind-blowing. It looks fake when you see it in real life. Wait, what is that? So anyways, that's going on European tour.

Only the top five players in the standings, the race to Dubai standings can win. Weisberger, Tommy Fleetwood, John Rom, that crazy person we talk about a lot, Shane Lowry and Matthew Fitzpatrick. I think Rory came in at number six, which is tough. He can't win.

But he'll be there. He's performed very well at this golf course. He said that he could play this place. Blindfolded is one of his quotes. his interview this week. I play the golf course blindfold. Who said that? I'm sorry.

Roy McElroy. Rory McElroy. Do it. Rory McElroy. Do it. I bet you he can't. I approve it, Rory. That'd be a great video.

Yeah. Do it and do it with us? Do you think he could beat us blindfolded if he had like a caddy pointing him and everything? Yep. Yeah. I think he could do. Not a doubt in my mind.

Yeah. I'd hope not, but yeah, probably. I don't think so. I don't know. I'm just saying I'm a terrible golfer. I don't know. Although, like, I don't know.

He's lined up. That blind guy can... If he was lined up at a course that he knew, like this one where he said he could win blind. Yeah, yeah. I think he'd beat us. Like, if you took him outside of that? Yeah.

Dude, I think, yeah. Come on, man. If he did like a practice round of it's all feel like... Yeah, but he... Yeah, I think he could. But like seeing our point, like seeing, like, seeing like where the ridges are and all that stuff, like, like, not just a caddy being like you have to hit it.

Like, how many times does the caddy say you have to get it over this bunker and leave it two feet. Yeah, to us, because we miss greens all time. But if he knows the course and knows that he's like 150 out of the second hole. He's not going to know what two feet off the green is going to be. He's not going to know where the green. But he's not going to be off the green that much. He hits the ball so perfectly.

Like from the fairway. Like, you're all right. You got to just clear that bunker on the right. Like you got to look at that shit. But he just, no, you don't. He just tells him the yardage. I think he doesn't hit like, yeah. Roy doesn't hit a hundred and like 57 yard field shot.

He just, it's a fucking nine. He's a robot. That's just what he does. Hits it right on line. I don't know, man. I think that he would play well without seeing. It would be a real shame if he did that video with us. That's what I'm not saying.

Play well. I think he would beat us. Yeah. I think he shoots 120. I disagree. Again, still in the ballpark. Still in the ballpark of taking an hour. I think he shoots like a high 90 or 100.

That might beat you. Yeah, but like. Like, what are we talking about? Like if he shoots like a 93. We're acting like it's a no brain. Dude, I don't know. I think he could, I think he could play pretty well. We might have to.

We don't have to. We don't have. contact with Rory, obviously, but we might, J.T., he might be a good guy to take this question. I'll tell you what, like, how well could you play blindfolded? If he rips the first one, you're like, oh, but that's not the problem. He would. He would hit a lot of fairways and greens, but I think, like, obviously the putting, getting the ball in and near the hole would be a battle.

Getting the ball in the hole would be downright and possibly. He can't sit. But if he's just like, dude, you're lined up perfectly and you have to hit like a two-foot put. That's just so hard. I don't know. Yeah. Can't see.

Harder for sure. You don't know where you going. But the blind guy? But you do. He plays really well. Right. You have blind people like... He's used to, obviously, those circumstances, but...

Being blind. That's the circumstance I'm referring to. If Rory wasn't allowed to practice and you just step up to the first thing, you put a blindfold on him, that's his first time doing it, I don't think he ever... I don't even think he finishes the 18 holes. I think he does. Really? Yes. Come on, man.

Dude, he's just taking away his vision. He's just built this perfect muscle memory swing. He stepped up to the first. He has no idea what's about to happen, and you just put a blindfold on him. I'm with Frankie on that. I don't think he finishes. You're doing ever blindfold? I don't think so.

No way. That does make it interesting. Like fucking, like, I don't know. Speeth, like, would look at the hole and then sometimes, like, on the putts and this and that. Like, he would mix it up. It's even more so, like, seeing where your target is. But he's not looking at, like, you're taking away what Rory does, right? When you look at the hole, you're taking away what Rory does, which he looks at the ball.

Yeah. I don't think. Quite a scene if we just, he was up on the team and we're like, all right, buddy, we're going to blindfold you. First of all, I'll be like, what's happening? And then second, I would be very curious. I do not rattle you be if you buy a bullet and he just hit a 330-yard missile right down the middle? It's muscle memory is huge. That's like what their swings are built on.

Huge. It's less about vision and more about being able to do the same thing over and over and over again. Especially when you trust your vision for all of that. It's definitely part of it. For what? For everything. No, you don't. I mean, like, lining up to the ball and like getting that feel and then seeing that

and like you're staring at the ball the whole time you hit it. I think taking that away and him missing by a. a 16th of a centimeter or whatever the case is? There would be an adjustment period. I don't disagree with that. But I think once he's like, all right, this is what it's like, this is what I have to do. I think he's 70% Roy McElroy.

If he's looked down at that white golf ball sitting on a T millions of times, what's the difference between one and the other? Like nothing. So like that's not, the circumstances don't matter. All on muscle memory that's based on his vision of seeing the ball and then having the swing that combines his vision with his, athleticism, half of that is gone.

I think first time there's no way to beat you. Why is it not gone when like Spieth just changes it and looks at the hole? He's not looking at the ball. It's not like he mishits. Something he practices. It's something he practices. I think that's the worst. And it's the worst comparison in the world.

That's something he like does. It's like what he chooses to do. I think full swing makes a fucking. I get that. But what I'm saying is he's abandoning. He's abandoning the one thing that we're telling Rory is going to abandon, which is like looking at the ball. He's abandoning it. He's still able to drain.

He's not anything looking at the ball and looking at the hole. Rory looks at the hole to see where he's going to put it. Speed. No, I'm saying right now Rory looks at the ball and looks at the hole. We're telling him he can't do either of it. Speed looks at the ball, then looks at the hole, and puts the ball. There's no comparison at all. Yes, there is because it's not like he's missing the ball because he's not

the same as Rory being blindfolded. But what I'm saying is because the argument that he's making is that like all of your coordination and all that stuff goes away and you fail because you're not looking at the ball like you usually do. What I'm saying is like, speed doesn't look at the ball in some of his puts and he just not miss hitting the box. He's still bearing him dead straight. Like you usually do is the key word he's saying. Speeth usually looks at the hole. That's just what he does. If you took away that from speed, then it's not what he usually does. He mixes it up.

Sometimes he looks at the ball. He practices. He looks at the ball. He knows that. I think like, yeah, there'd be a little bit of a learning curve, but I think if you took that out, Rory wouldn't just be like a fucking baby deer, like, who doesn't know how to walk, like he'd be fine. I think he'd be able to his muscle memory, his coordination, all that's still there. He knows what it looks like to look down at a golf ball on a tee and he can just envision that in his head and do it. Muscle memory of what? Like, like not, like, not like, knowing what? Like he's done millions of powers. Like, how is he going to know where the whole? Because the guy just tells him.

Yeah, they are giving you a fucking 10, it's like a 10 foot putt. You got to hit it six feet because it's a little downhill to the left. I just disagree. It'd be super interesting. I'm not just, I mean, I'm, I feel like I'm a little bit on both sides of it now. But I think full swings are different also when you're talking about speed when he doesn't look at, he just looks at the hole. Full swings, there's a lot more going on than when you're putt. So much more going on.

I think the full swing is where he would have the least issue. Really? Yeah. Because the putter you're keeping like level and on that same like the plane is much flatter. The plane when you're obviously full swing is there's just so much more going on that I would be truly amazed. He's not looking at the plane of his swing when he swings. No, he's looking at the ball, which is keeping his whole body level in my eyes. But maybe that's wrong.

I don't know. Nobody knows. Yeah. That's why we're talking about it. I think he'd chunk so many balls. He'd hit behind the ball so often. He just missed. The first swing would say a lot.

But I guess like so do we. And he's still way better than we are. Like I think he'd beat us. I don't even, I actually don't even think it's close. I think it's crazy. I'm with you. I don't even think it's cool. First round out.

Yeah, if you give any of these guys anytime practice, I think obviously they're elite. I mean, they have just. Does he get like a normal range session like us on a round of golf? I think you have to, yeah. Just to make it at least a little. I think you give them 20 minutes like warm up range session and warm up putting session. Take away. I think you beat us.

You're actually with this guy's Jesus Christ. Like, you take away his vision and he just shoots a 85. Like he's just, it's crazy to me. I'd love to know. That would be maybe the most impressive thing. If he clearly Seriously We're talking about Rory.

Tiger couldn't do it Like no I don't think anyone can do it Obviously Roy was joking when he said it But he's like he's thought about it He's like I could do this blindfolded Yeah I think he I think he I think yeah You would have to abandon the rule of like a caddy

Can't line you up if his catty could line him up Be like no no your aim perfectly hit like a four foot pot And all that I think he could do it Basically you let the caddy be the eyes And then you let do everything your eyes normally do And then he can only swing Yeah and you'd have to let him like as he's over the ball Like addressing the ball you'd have to let him like

Touch the back of it with his club real quick or something so he knows where it is. Yeah. It doesn't have to be a little, yeah. I think you'd have to be a little, but like, even with those things, like,

I think he'd, I think he'd be able to, I think he'd be pretty fucking good. That'd be great. I would love to see it happen in action. Or at least maybe we could ask him if we'd get him on the show. Like,

do you really think you could do it. Yeah. I mean, I wonder, like, if we blindfolded kids, I don't know. I don't know how good he would be. You just don't know.

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We need to find somebody to do this. I just want to see. Could be way off. Could be odd. I texted, because I love getting Whitney going sometimes. Like, that just explodes it in case he catches on. So I text him and I said, if Rory is blindfolded and was able to be lined up by his caddy, do you think he could beat me in a golf match?

And he goes, wow. Fuck. I'm going to guess no, but I think it would be. probably be way closer than we all think. Okay. All right. Somewhere in the middle. Yeah.

To me what we're saying. When I said me, so he's probably thinking like he'd have to shoot like a 90 to a 95. Yeah, somewhere in there. Yeah, he'd have to play bogey golf. Yeah. Bogey golf. You got to play bogey golf. Yeah.

Blindfolded with no vision. For four hours. For four hours. Nonstop. Don't take the blindfold off. You just blind. Can't take it off at all? You'd be so disarrational.

No, I think that would almost help him. I don't think you take it off at all. You start to get acclimated? In and out might be worse. Right. I think I'd get a headache. Maybe. Yeah, it'd be frustrating.

Oh, my God. Now I really want to see it happen with someone. They'd be infuriated. I mean, I would chew 400. I think if he was allowed to take the blindfold off and look at the hole, like, on the T-box, he'd be significantly better. See, I don't think that matters at all. Like, it's not a feel off the T. Like, you just hit it in a direction with their driver and they hit it dead straight.

If he got into trouble, though, like, if he got into a sand trap. That, for sure. Sand would be, you'd be there all day. I don't know. They're so good out of the sand. It has to look at the- I feel like looking at the ball means nothing. No, I'm not.

I get that. Like, he has to look at the ball, man. He takes divvits in like certain, shape shots certain ways. They hit the certain type of the, they look at the ball so much differently than we do. They see it like every dimple. Like they...

I'm just imagining him trying to get out of a bunker, which is a fried egg. I don't know how you get out of that bunker. Yeah, I mean, that's, you know, that's an extreme situation. I don't know how you chip over a bunker. Like, because that, to me, is like what you see. You don't understand.

I don't think you get that stuff. So, like, trying to address that. If he's going to hit a 47-yard shot to a pin and he should hit it 52, the bunker is just nowhere in play. So if he's not in any of those pieces of trouble, like his swing, his ability to dial in yards and distances, the way we look at bunkers and, like, water 40-yard short of the ground. I agree with that. I'm saying if you're a pine-hurst and you have a huge amount in front of you where you have to get it a certain amount of feet, I think that's more of like a, they look at it. They go up on the green. They, like, observe where they're going to have their landing spot.

It's not just like your caddy's saying hit it 12 yards and I'm going to line you up. It's like you have to legitimately look at where the fucking movement of the greens are. You're right, Frank. But you're also acting like you do that really well. He's playing a match against you. Like, he just has to do that better than you do. I'm not saying I do that way. I'm saying that I have the advantage of looking at that and I can just knock it up there.

He has no idea that that's even happening. I don't care what the catty says. Oh, there's a huge amount of any of you. It's going to dip 13 feet to the right. It's going to be a swoopy. I don't know if that. means anything to him. He's got to see it. I don't think it does either. I think his caddy would be like, hey, I know, like, we don't usually deal the yard, hit a 13-yard, like,

high flop shot with some check, and it'll be perfect. And I think he's going to be better at that than you are even blindfolded. No. I'm with you on the no side, but I think, like, to Riggs's point there, I mean, I think that caddy could tell him that and if he was lined up properly, potentially he hits that shot. He could get close enough to where it. Or there might be a safer area to hit it. You were like, oh, just hit it 30, you're blindfold. He's standing there blindfolded. He's standing there blindfolded. He's got, like, he knows that he can stand in there, like, feel it with his feet. He takes, like, 10 little practice swings. Then they're like, all right, move up. You're right behind the ball. Perfect. Then he just pitches it up there. Like, I'm not saying it's perfect every time, but, like, he doesn't have to be a PGA tour player. He has to be better. He has to be better.

Or like, even close on those, because his full swings, I think you're going to be pretty fucking good. I think the putt. God, I wish we could do it. I wish we could. We know PGA Tour pros. We can probably. It might not be Rory, but it won't be Rory, but I think somebody like, they're all like, it's all in that top of elite level. Yeah, that's what I think. I don't know that it really matters. Forwardplay at marshalspores.com. That's how you submit from the galleries. We've got a couple of these that we're going to get to really quickly.

Mark says a question topic you have to ask when you interview pros is what was their handicap right before they turned pro. I heard the boss man had a plus 10 gin handiress. I will say this. Phil Mickelson posts his scores. Yep. You can go. You can look up on gin.

You go to Arizona. You type in Mickelson. And Phil Mickelson will pop up because. he's a gambler. He plays in so many club events in the courses they belong to, Whisper Rock and all that, that he has to hold a handicap index. He can't just guess.

And his index is a plus 5.6 handicap index. Now, when I played against Kiz, I essentially, Kiz and Brownie, and we all did, but I essentially because we were really negotiating for our match play, I was a course eight, I believe,

and I was getting 14. So, I mean, kids basically played. to a plus six, probably more like, yeah, probably, like, he was basically a plus six handicap index. I lost five and four. Now, I will say I didn't play particularly well, a stretch, especially that stretch. I ended up shooting like 84, I believe. But I beat Brownie one up, Scott Brown, who's very similar to kids.

He's won like $9 million in the PGA tour. I beat him like one up. So I do think that like those numbers are pretty damn accurate around like that plus five, plus six area for kind of like a top 30. their top 40 guy in the world. But it is a crazy thing to think about. And I also think, like, in anything in golf, like the consistency is really what kills you.

Like, what I realized was, like, any hole that we stepped on where I didn't get a stroke, it was almost shocking. Like, wait, what am I going to do? Right. Because you just lose that hole. Yeah. Because you think in your head, like, they're making par of burning, no problem.

You think in your head, like, I'm getting 14. Oh, my God. But then you realize, like, no, I need all of their shots. and when I don't have them, I'm like, fuck. Yeah. You're just, this is just me out here now. Yeah, you're almost, you're like down three and a half kind of.

Starting the match and then you're playing those 14 holes. In a sense. I mean, like betting odds, I would probably say, like, you might par one, they par, you push one, you lose the other three. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and it was, it was just like, it was, you realize, too, like, they put so much pressure on you

because he's going to be in the middle of fair when he's going to have 10 or 15 feet for birdie on every hole. Part 5 is he's going to have a tap and birdie on every hole. The way Kiz was chirping you too, like if you pulled a drive, Kiz would just announce what's going to happen for the rest of the hole, and then that happened. That would make me lose my mind and also adds pressure to every shot. Because I step up to a drive in a buddy's match,

and it's really thoughtless kind of. Like I know my target angle, but I don't really think it's, the drive isn't putting much pressure on me, the second shot a little bit more. Every kind of shot it adds a little bit. Anything could happen going forward. But if I pulled a drive on one and he was like, oh, he's in the rough.

Like you can get here and then, you know, maybe he'll chip on. At best, he makes a five. No, he wasn't doing that, Lurch. What you just put in was a bunch of, like, question marks. He didn't do that at all. He didn't say maybe you'll hit it there. You might at best. No, no, no.

He said, you will hit it there. You will not get up and down. You will make a five. That's like what he was doing, which is dramatically different than like, yeah, you could go over here. Which, like, the way we play golf is a, like, textbook on inconsistency in our own minds and, like, unpredictability. We have no idea. Right. He just knew.

That's, like, very different. to us, right? Like, we all go up and it's like, okay, I'm playing against Frankie in a match. We're standing that tee. Like, I might go right, left, up down. Frankie might go right, left, up down. He might make double. I might make par.

We could go the other way or I have no idea, whereas kids just new. Right. Because the pro is basically just minimizing that scope as much as you can. Yes. You know what I mean? Like you make it so like you know what's going to happen for the most part. Yep. And the worst case scenario, you make a bogey or a double.

And like two holes that he was wrong. And the rest of them, he was spot on. Like, where exactly what was. going to happen. Oh, you'll miss the green from there. You can't get up and down. That's a bogey at best. And it would like, and then I'd make a bogey. He'd make a birdie and he'd be like, yeah, one down. That's just, that's just what happened. Part of the fun is the unpredictability. Totally. I wonder if that sort of like when he's like, I kind of got the, he doesn't have it figured out, but he like knows what's going to happen.

Yep. Obviously, he makes a pro match play event. Obviously, he's a millionaire, so it's like, that's a pretty good tradeoff. But the unpredictability for me, it kind of keeps me coming back. Totally. I always like, I got one of my buddies is like a scratch and he goes out and shoots between like 70, and like 69 every round he plays. And I always think, like, it's got to be kind of boring. And we talked about this on a show maybe years ago now where it's like not like going out there. Like the good shots for a guy like me feel better than a good shot

for a guy like the guy who are describing. You know, because it's like, holy shit. That's what he's supposed to do. Right. For us, it's like, oh, we get it. So there is a difference there. The same feeling is like being a fan of like a team that wins a ton of championships or a team that's like been on a huge drought, right?

Like when the Yankees were on their third world series, it's less exciting as like when the Cubs won. Definitely. Yeah. Like when the Yankees won four out of five years and the Cubs went 110 years. Jake's sitting over there as a fucking Bama homer. Yeah. Every Alabama championship is better than the last.

I don't believe that. But like it's technically not. It's technically not, right? Like the first one had to have been the best. Like all the Boston fans say 04 was better than the other ones. Correct. 2009 was awesome, but like the comebacks of like the way like Tua comes in in in the beach Georgia.

You know, like, all, like, there's always, like, a good storyline. The only, like, game that really didn't have a good storyline was, like, Alabama, Notre Dame. But there's no better storyline than, like, we haven't been here before. And we're experiencing it for the first time. Like, I mean, the blues had never won a Stanley Cup in their history. Yeah. And we had resigned to the fact of, like, all of our sports radio, talk radio, all of our group texts, our buddies was always like, they're like, this is why they're not going to win it again.

Or, like, when they start with a shitty start, it'd be like, here we go. They need to blow up the team again. We're fucking 10 years away from having a chance. It was always that. And then it was like, wait, we won the cup. they were playing the Bruins me as a selfish like fan of a team that hasn't won anything i wanted the ruins to win because i was just more used to that feeling i didn't want a team to have that like feeling a new team you know what i mean yeah because they almost are stealing what's supposed to be

correct like i was just like oh the bruns win all the time i'll just i'll just i'll just experience that again yeah i'm familiar it's a familiar feeling you know what i mean yes i feel the same with baseball like dude everyone keeps saying like oh the red socks yankees this huge robbery like i i've lived in a time where the Red Sox have won multiple championships. Let them have another one if it's not going to be the Yankees. Like if the Yankees lose to another team and the Red Sox are in, if the Red Sox played the Mets in the World Series, I don't want the Mets to win because I live with these people. I like experience their like I watch them, watch their team lose.

It's fun to me. Like same with the Rangers. Like I get that from an Islander's perspective because you want that and it's a taste. The Bruins is familiar and you don't want another team to experience what you want your team to experience. but then from a Yankees perspective, you've won multiple championships. Well,

I know they're never going to catch this. So I would, I would think you would be like, oh, cool, like, you know, Kansas City won. Like, who cares? Arizona won. No, no. You know.

Yeah, that, that, I must say it incorrectly. Okay. If it was the Mets versus Red Sox, a team that, like, is, that I like to hate, two teams I like to hate, one team that's won, a ton, one team that my friends have never even witnessed a win. I like that fact.

I guess being from all. Island and then the true mix of Yankees and I never happened keep the Red Sox on like I want that 120 years drought but now in fact they've won what four but you'd still prefer like your rival Red Sox win over the Mets just because you live with these people yes I love the I didn't work at bar still I would never meet a Red Sox fan in my life because you never leave Long Island Yeah well yeah I'm just yeah yeah yeah yeah you need one at like a bar or at a Yankees or whatever sure yeah all right fair enough you wouldn't have day-to-day interactions with This came into my argument that the day-to-day livelihood and rivalry between Islanders and Rangers was bigger than the Canadians and Bruins.

The history of the game and at the game at the Canadians and Bruins is the biggest robbery of all time. But like when I go to school or work and stuff, I am in the mix with 50% Ranger fans, 50% Islander fans. My girlfriend is a Ranger fan. Her dad's a Ranger fan. I'm not dealing. Like people who live in Boston don't deal with Canadians. We don't see it the way you see it. But we like, you know, flyers is bigger for us.

I mean, that's just incorrect. That's just, you know. But no, that's just incorrect. Like, it just depends on where you live. I just don't care about that. But you live in Jersey, right? You grew up in Jersey. Yeah.

Okay, so on Long Island. I mean, I don't know what that means. You guys chant Dennis Poppin since 1988. Your old third jerseys? You don't remember those things? Yeah, okay. So then just, no. We chatted to what?

1940, what? 1940? Yeah, for like 70 years. I mean, up until 94, you can pretty much start the 94th, you can. My point being is like on Long Island Island, where it is more split than it is New Jersey. There's no Islander fans of New Jersey. That's why you would, like, you grew up with more Flyers. You grew up with more devils.

But I think the organization, well, we're not a hockey or podcast. We're not a hockey podcast. All right. I'll say this. I think the different country and, like, affects the Boston, Montreal. Internationally and watching the game, 100%. I agree with that. French Canadian, like, there is a deep, like, right?

Like, at least with, like, Islanders, rain. It's all like, no, we're, like, American and New Yorkers. And, like, there's a certain degree of that. Like, what's deeply rooted in was, like, fucking, like, French. French Canadian, Montreal people versus like Boston, like Americans. I think there's like a deep rooted, like negative connotations to that rival. I agree. When the game is happening, the rivalry is more amplified and deeper when it comes to the, it's just more historic.

People like booing during the national anthem and stuff. But I just think like on a regular Tuesday when neither team are playing, I'm dealing with lurch and I'm dealing with people like, you know what I mean? Like Fidelberg right now, Marina, they haven't heard about from a Montreal Canadiens fan in seven months. They haven't played them yet. They're not dealing with them. Nothing. Islanders haven't lost the game in October 11th. I live with people that try and tear me down every time I would. You also ask for it.

The background of your computer is like the Rangers losers. Right. And that's why I think it's it. That's why I think it's bigger on a day-day basis. We're constantly jabbing. Off season, everything. Islanders, we're making bets. You know what I mean?

Like, I just don't think Boston France interact with Habs fans as much. I just don't. Yeah, you're seeing some of the bar every night. Every single night. If you see somebody rooting for like a Rangers goal, you chirp them. I get that. Dude, when we went to that bar just for four-played drinks, we were in the middle of a Rangers bar.

That was my hell. Like a Red Sock fan can't... You were in a nightmare. A Red Sox fan doesn't show up to a bar in Boston and just go to a fucking Canadian's bar. That just doesn't exist. There's Rangers bars in my town. It's crazy.

You know what I mean? So the handicapped system. Yeah, whatever. I do think that a lot of the PGA toy pros are probably around a plus six. That would kind of be my guess. Phil, again, plus 5.6 index. Good for him keeping a handicap. Bless you to Jake.

Jake just sneezed. Michael said, I love to recap of the Pinesherst trip. If you have four days planned for a golf trip in that area with your buddies, would you recommend doing a three-day package at Tobacco Road or doing any of the Pinehurst Resort packages? What I would say is this. You know, tobacco road is about 25, 30 minutes away from Pineshurst.

What I would do is I would do a day at Tobacco Road where you play 36 holes. One of my biggest regrets is that we didn't get to play Tobacco Road twice. Yep. Now on these trips, we're doing something, you know, We're really focused on the content. I hate that word, but the content, and we're doing all kinds of filming, droning. We're trying to get such a professional production value in covering that round

that we couldn't do 36 a day. It's impossible. We're doing interviews and all that. One of my biggest regrets from the trip is not doing Tobacco Road twice. I think it's such a unique, crazy golf course. They don't love when we say that, but it is a crazy Mike Strance. Like, it's a crazy golf course to design. But it's actually incredibly playable.

It's not that long. If you learn where to hit it, you get over the visual intimidation. It's a very playable golf course. The ball on the opposite of, like, Pioneers No. 2, where there's Turtleback Green, the ball rolls off the green. On Tobacco Road, like a lot of the greens are kind of bowls and funnels where if you hit it, like, 30 feet left of the pin and past it, it'll roll all the way back to the hole and, like, cool stuff like that. So I would love to play that. So I would say go to Tobacco Road, do 36 holes there, and then go to Pinehurst. I would say you have to play one day you should do Pioneer's number two.

and then in the afternoon do the cradle. What that's going to give you is a mix of getting your absolute teeth kicked in by Pioneers Number 2. It's one of the great, most iconic championship venues in America. It's hosted three U.S. Opins, Donald Ross. You got to play number two if you go to Pinehurst. And then you get the exact opposite in the afternoon, which is like you take three clubs out there. There's music playing.

They have speakers literally into like the trees and the wood. And you hit somebody might get close to a whole on one. There's going to be a lot of birdies, a lot of drinks. It's going to be the total opposite experience. going to leave you feeling like, okay, I made a couple of bribes. You had a good time. And then the next day, you got to play Piner's number four. And you have to do that.

So those will be three days right there. You get 36 at Tobacco Road. You drive, you stay at Piner's for a couple nights. Make sure you go to the brewery. The new brewery, they opened up like a year ago. It was really cool. Make sure you eat at the Carolina Hotel. They had the Rider Cup room is where we ate in.

They got great food, a cool scene in there. You got to kind of walk around the area. And there's a couple other pubs that are kind of, what was it like the one pub we walked into we just were too late for food but like you chip into the fireplace we unfortunately didn't do that when we were there had weird vibes when we were there had weird vibes everybody told us we got to go there what was that called pine crest pine crest in pine crest in but i heard that's a very cool scene i think we just caught on a really weird night there's like no one in there the place was empty and then like there was like cat food laid out

on the floor everything was it was weird vibes and then um so that's three days and then the tobacco road 36 uh pioneerist number two and the crate only afternoon and i would do Pioneer's number four and the cradle the afternoon again. And then on day four, go play one of the other golf course. I mean, they got literally 10 golf courses there if you include the cradle. I loved number eight, but I've heard a bunch of the other ones are really, really good as well. And that would be the way that I would do four days there. You guys agree?

I agree. And Tobacco Road's carts, too. So, like, 36 holes there. You can take a cart, and you'll be good to go. It's so worth it going there. I fucking love Tobacco Road. Really, really, really cool place. The more I think about it, the more I realize I enjoyed it.

I couldn't agree more. I was going through the drone footage last night. I was Texan Andrew, going through the drone footage. We drone the hell out of that place. And going through the footage was, like, it felt epic just looking at the footage of that drone, like coming up over all the different undulations and the dunes and the mounds. It was so cool. So I would do 36 holes there.

You can rip around in a cart, like we said. And it's very playable. I think even from the tips, it's like 6,500 yards. So it's not that long. I think it's very playable, but it's visually intimidating. One thing that is of trouble, like, if you hit pretty good shots, you're fine. Because when you hit like, you know, like if you, for example, like there are a couple times where I like chunked a wedge hitting into like from 80 yards out and I chunked a wedge that went like 60 yards and I was just fucked. Mm-hmm.

Right? You're in like a bunker or a dune like that you're just not supposed to be in. It's like no, if you hit that wedge like a decent contact even, you'd have like 20 feet for birdie at worst. And instead I'm in this horrific dune and make triple, which is like that's just how the golf course is. So I think you got to do that. That's the way I would do the trip. I think that's it. I think that's all we got.

We have the Barstle Classic guys up next. I think Frankie got into it. Well, yeah, well, you're going to hear this kid Rocco speak. And great, he works at the first tee. He won the fucking Barstall Classic. Congratulations, Rocco. I'm happy for you. It seems like a good kid.

But the Islanders were down to, this isn't a hockey pocketist, but I have to bring this up. Islanders had set history the last two days. The only team to ever come back from multiple goal deficit, it five minutes in in the third period back-to-back games ever NHL history craziest craziest comebacks on the road first one was in philly they're down uh three nothing at the time i get a tweet from this roco fella it's like the second period the islands are getting shit pumped um and it's like hey frankie great game huh if the islanders come back i'll literally give you five thousand

out of my bar still classic winnings right and like i just like scrolled by and i'm like whatever fuck you roco like trying to hit me down what half an hour 45 minutes later the islanders win the game. I go back to look for this kid's tweet immediately. I'm searching Rocco, hashtag barstool classic everything. I'm trying to find this kid. I find his fucking account. I'm looking through his tweets. His tweets replies. It's gone. So I DM him. I'm like, hey Rocco, did you delete your tweet at me? And he just sends me back a smiling face. And now that infuriated me. I'm like, smart response. Whatever. Great response. So I tweeted out, hey, Riggs, your winner legitimately offered me $5,000 if the honors would come back. And they just came back and won. And he

deleted the tweet because he's like soft as baby shit and uh he like messaged me back he's like yeah like it was soft whatever i'll like donate five grand all this stuff i don't know whatever he i don't want the money i said to him dude i do not want your money i just want to take it i just want to bear you on twitter exactly i want to tweet at you i want people to look at your profile and like this guy got murdered frankie put his gooch on his nose like that's what i want like you know he doesn't want that like i want it he didn't want it so badly he'd rather pay the five i want that i want the rock o you're going to start flashing that grundle around i want the Rocco to smack my grundle with some powder, you know?

Like just fucking weird, man. You know, fucking ankles the ears. Just come on, Rocco, just get the job done, you know, and then we're gone. Frankie ankles, the earlobes, Borrelli. He just loves flashing it. So next up, you actually have the Barclosac classic champion winners. This was well before this all happened. But Rocco and Anthony, they did win.

They won 10 grand. They actually told a really cool story about how they had been in a couple situations before as a team in big tournaments. they really wanted to win and blown it. And so how that was like very badly on their minds is there coming up the 18th hole to win 10 grand and the Barstville Classic and all that. So it's fun chat with them and they do great work. Like we mentioned, they work for the first tee of Philly.

That's their gig. That's what they do. They teach young kids how to golf and they were focused in like raising money to do so and helping out around different golf courses. So they do really, really cool work. Those two are up next. Sports packages on cable can cost a fortune, as you probably know. Many times they don't even show all the games you want to see.

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We have Anthony Hoffman, Rocco, Scrillo, not Scrillo, which. Cirillo, I think he had on there, S-E. So we just had, we just came from. from the engraving. We had our boy Alan, which was a legit, like, throwback from the 1950s engraving of the trophy. And he went all the way through about how, like, no, no, no, it never spells wrong. This is that. And he just spelled Rocco's name wrong.

Called it. I called it. First try. For sure. It was the C. So you guys won, obviously, the Barstville classic. The 2000s of Barstville classic. What did you do?

I mean, what did you do after? Does anybody even care? Like, did people? That's funny. Like, as soon as we walked out, we both looked at our phones. And I didn't think that many people were following this thing. but it was ridiculous. Is that right?

I had a buddy of mine who's a high school teacher was like, dude, I had the live leaderboard on the, like on the classroom all day. I'm like, what? On the whiteboard, just streaming it with the kids. That's amazing. That's hilarious. So they were following up. People were into it.

Yeah, we had a lot of people. We got a last year or I guess like the first couple events, we were iffy about doing the live scoring because live scoring, as people told us, is typically in a like, rookie, you know, tournament like we were doing, first time doing it, whatever, is usually more detrimental than it is helpful because people fuck it up and don't do it right. And therefore you have people relying on, like, the wrong information. So luckily, we ended up getting to the point we brought these golf status guys in and learn that they had to be on site and basically overseeing everything.

And when they did that, then the scores were pretty accurate. But you, they were the pros at every course were like, yeah, if you guys want to do live scoring, that's cool. But usually when people do it, you get like, people just enter scores wrong. And then the line of their board is way off. off, but if people were following it, I guess we've got to do it over here. Yeah, that worked. I mean, I'm glad you had people checking after a couple holes.

Like, if people are entering it in their phones, that's when it really screws out. That was the key. And we, because we did a couple of venues where we had people were supposed to enter them themselves. Disaster. Yeah, and I don't blame people. Like, when you're playing in a golf tournament, you don't want to be, like, on some sort of electronic, whether it's the cart or whether it's your phone.

Yeah, you kept telling me all day. He's like, you know, get off your phone. I'm like, I'm putting the scoring, dude. Let me alone. Like, I usually don't do it. You have the Bluetooth. speaker on too that yeah we were bumping so you guys work for the first tea philly yeah yeah very good PR for the barstool classic yeah incredibly good yeah i can't and i was telling we were

talking with erika earlier nardini our ceo and i was like we got lucky that our guys that won or not i mean because barstool following barstall classic personnel type of people that play you have no fucking clue who it could be you guys could have been anybody and then i get to tweet out all the time and instagram all time like oh no our champions are actually really good guys so how long you guys been at the first T. So I've been, I think I just got on full time this year, but I've been coaching and teaching kids for three years now. So talk to us about your guys' jobs, about what you actually do with the first T, what it's all about, all that. So my role with the first T, I'm a program manager. So what we do is we literally coordinate like different programs around the city. We work with

different golf courses, whether it's public, private, semi-private, just allowing kids to get access to the course pretty much using our life skills and core value curriculum to deliver the game of golf. So we really use golf as like the vehicle to drive all this stuff, which is, I mean, you play golf pretty much forever. I mean, learn a lot about yourself. You get frustrated. You get upset.

We have some core values that helps these kids really develop into good people in the community. A lot of the kids have they like never played before? Oh yeah, 100%. And then they come and they really. Pretty obsessed with it? Nah, I mean, off the bat, I mean, kids that kind of struggle right away with it, you know, everyone that struggles with it doesn't like it. It's not all golf. It's more or less, you know, trying to keep these kids active and just coming back to the clay so that we can implement, you know, our core values.

We have nine core values, like respect, honesty, integrity, perseverance. So we try to implement all these core values while we're teaching these classes, even if it's a fun game of tick, tect toe while you're playing. potting their chip and right, right, right. You know, so we try to keep them as intrigued as we possibly can. I was going to say it's probably like focus on short game stuff where it's more fun, like putting and the chipping because people can get away with that versus once you have to take a full swing.

It's like, oh, yeah. You see some, like, I didn't want to say the word. You were. You caught yourself. You were. That was a check swing right there. I heard one earlier that wasn't a check swing. But, I mean, we work with like schools around the area.

We bring them over for field trips and everything. And like, you see crazy stances. It's like people have no idea what this game is. Like we work with inner city kids. This is like a new step of life for them. So it's just getting them into the program, like giving them the chance to get these opportunities that we offer them. It's pretty cool. So why first D for you guys?

Were you guys involved with it coming up or did you just decide to get into it because you wanted to teach a kid? Like where did that come from for you to be like, oh, I want to work for the first day? So we actually played for Roman Catholic in high school and our home course was Walnut Lane Golf Club. So we actually, they were based out of first, or the first he was based out of there when we were in high school. Okay. And now that we kind of grew up and the program director that worked there when we were in high school found the opportunity to contact us and try to get us back to come and work for them. And it so happened to be that we both kind of grew up playing golf together and we, who doesn't want to work with their buddy? You know what I mean?

So we told he got on and then he's like, yeah, you got to come work with us. And I'm like, all right, that sounds good. So I hoped on and it's been it's been great ever since then. So we enjoy it. You guys were telling me at the championship that the day of the Barstow Classic Championship was like your guys biggest day of work and you just weren't there. Yeah. We're not sales guys.

I'll tell you that. We're not sales guys. Yeah, we're listening to another one. And we were like, man, we weren't doing inventory, but it's whatever. We were actually, what we were doing was it's our biggest fundraising event of the year. Okay. So we have all of our board members and all of our, you know, big fundraising people that come into this coffee outing, and they just empty their

pockets, which is awesome. Right. So we raised over 220,000. It's awesome. Yeah, we have, like, participants that speak to them. And it's like, yeah, we, kids in our program and people are crying out. That is pretty cool. Yeah, about the lives you guys have impacted.

Yeah. Yeah. And then people are like, oh, my God, I'm so emotional. Here's all my money. Yeah. So you guys can keep doing this. We have a lot of great events, a lot of, a lot of good, we have a very good board, a board that's backed us with everything that we've kind of wanted to do.

We're taking over our second golf course and managing our second golf course. So what does that mean? We're taking over a golf course. What do you guys? So that there's a bunch of city courses in Philadelphia and they really have struggled. Like munis? Yeah, just municipal courses owned by the city, but leased out to different management companies. Okay.

A couple management companies came in, struggled. When we took over Walnut Lane, we weren't there. We were obviously in high school, I think, at the time. So just making improvements to the course, giving operations to the course, given opportunities of the kids in the neighborhood. So we've grown that golf course into a pretty sustainable place.

You know, like the management companies couldn't really do that. Right. That's a lot of different stuff you guys got to do. Yeah, tend to love and care. Right. That's what it is.

I mean, you're teaching kids golf, you're teaching them core values, the nine core values and all that. You're raising money and you're like managing golf courses. You wear a ton of hats. Yeah.

And you're winning golf tournaments. That's what's good a bit. Yeah. Our staff has to juggle. Good amount of stuff. on like they don't really see what we do every day so it's pretty cool that's very cool good for you guys and again it just makes me look better and we get the miss like the biggest day of the year to play to come play in my turn so you let me know next year scheduling wise what that is and you won the

you won't be there again well you're making us qualify first so this is just the integrity of any tournament is you made a good point about the stand the cup I agree thank you you you don't get to just be in the playoffs because you won the Stanley Cup the year before same deal same situation so how did you guys find out about the varsal classic that's a funny story I him tell that so i remember seeing it happen or i remember seeing you guys posted about it's just me so i'm i follow these guys on the screen twitter and once i heard gold members had the first accent i bought gold member right away i was like i'm not i was like we're getting in this so then you just had the it was to be determined on the location of the philly right spot so um and i kind

of backed off on a little bit forgot about it i'm working at the bar one night and my body goes yo he's like the bar still classic they're having it at that you're your place. I'm like, what place? He's like, Phil Ma'am. I'm like, nah.

So I called up off. I think it was like 1.30 to more. Yeah, I bartended another place in Northeast Philly. So, like, he's working me on the bar. I'm working me on the bar. I'm like, yeah, what do you want? I call it a month. I,

like, dude, 600 hours. I'm paying it now. So I put us in. I was like, we're playing the bar. We're playing for 10 grand and this bad-ass trophy. So we got to go in. So, yeah, the trophy is the coolest part. You guys were just saying that to me earlier.

You're like, no, the 10 grand's cool, but like the trophy is this. Yeah. That thing's legit. I was hoping it's filled with a 10 grain of cash, but. Yeah, I, uh, it's all right. You know, finance. That's not, it's really not my call.

It's all good. I don't run the finance department. I wish I did. It'd be sweet. It'd be a way. Throwing $100 bills behind a board. Oh, are you kidding me? It would have been a preposterous.

Uh, so yeah, for anybody who doesn't know that was the first 24 hours, it was only open to gold members in order to register. And then after that, it went open to the public. And after it went open to the public, it sold out in two, days, but the Philly stop and I think the second New York stop were not done yet because we basically, I mean, we put this whole thing together in an insanely short period of time. And so when we went public, blah, blah, blah. So anybody who didn't know that background.

So then going into your home track, Philema was, I would say by far the trashiest of all of the venues that we had, which for Philly is perfect. But it really was unlucky. So what I heard, and we talked about this a little bit when it happened on the show, but essentially there are only two courses on our whole tour that I had not been to. And I believe I had not been to, like, this year. I've been to all of them this year. And those two were obviously Philma and then Whiskey Creek, which are down in D.C. And Philly is very difficult to book because, as you guys know, like really all the top public courses are not anywhere near downtown Philly.

And then otherwise, and then you have to get on one of the privates, which like, I'm not really entwined in that scene very well. So it was tough to get on the private. So we were struggling to get a Philly stop. Phil might actually reached out to us. They're great to work with. And they were like, you know, we know about this tournament. We'd love to host it.

And we're like, yeah, great. People are like, yeah, it's a really cool layout. Usually great shape and all that. And then I guess you probably know more about a rock. I do. But I guess like even up to a month before the tournament, they were saying like the greens and all that were in great shape. And then they just like lost them.

Yeah, it was, I mean, I've been there for, I think, three years. And now it was. Today, it was been my, it's my last year this year. I'm moving on. But, I mean, the years I spent there, the course, when it's in great shape, it is like one of the best layouts up there. So, like, you, like, when I heard it was there, I was like, that's great. And then I think right around after July, it got real hot.

I think we had that hot spell. Right. And it just went way down hill. Everything burned out. I don't know what happened, but they struggled. Like Justin told you that with the poet, it's definitely a big battle during the summer because it just eats up everything else that's around it. And I think 70 or close to 80% of our greens are peller.

So it's very tough to maintain them. And obviously it's... It was a sore sight to your eye when you walked up. But like Justin said, I think once you got out onto the backside, of course, it was fine. Nothing was wrong with it. The initial scene was bad. Correct. It was like everything else was pretty good.

They were unlucky in that, like, the worst visual part. of the course were the three different holes you could see from like the clubhouse. Yeah. And where everybody was congregating for like two hours before we teed off. So it was just like, wait a second. And from my vantage point, it was like, okay, we decided to charge everyone across the whole tour the same exact amount of money. It was like, $300 a person, $600 a team.

So I was like, I don't want people to see this video come out from Whiskey Creek or from Walliston and like all these pristine. And then they're like, well, I paid the same as those guys. And I'm out here and this is like dead and this and that. So we just said like, fuck. it rather than risk it and risk any negative like vibes from anybody that they got screwed to red we're going to give everybody like a hundred dollars back and this that and you're right playability wise it was fine and most of the places on the course it was completely fine it was

really those couple holes near the clubhouse looked awful and uh 10 and 18 yeah punting green look putting green I'm like oh my god totally so I was like okay I can see two holes and I can see the putting green and they all look legit like worse than any munia I've been to I was like we're in trouble here yeah so philmont got a little bit of a bad rap because of that, I feel like. But having said that, like, the course wasn't in phenomenal shape. Yeah. You stretch the imagination.

But that's your home track. Yeah. What did you guys finish there? We came tied in second. Tide for second? Yeah, we were kind of pissed off about that. Were you? We struggled early, and then the rain delay.

We went to the bar, had a couple truly hard seltzers and made a couple of parties going back out and finished in second. So we were happy about, all we wanted to do is get to Liberty National. That was the main goal. That's the goal. Yeah. What was the preparation like for, like, were you guys pretty, because you guys playing a lot of tournaments. Yeah, we try to point as many, obviously, as many amateur events as we can. Right. But now we're considered professionals. You guys are professional golfers.

To the USDA. Congratulations. Turning pro. Yeah, thank you. We should have a party. Turning pro. We should. We should try. But yeah, we point a lot of local events around Philadelphia and then try to venture out for, you know, USGA events and amateur events. And I don't even remember how we prepare for this, but. We had a couple tournaments beforehand. Yeah, it's kind of fun. We had, like, the previous week leading up into it, we had, like, three or four tournaments that week coming into it. So it all really kind of worked out for us to prepare and get ready for it. I'm not saying we play a lot of golf either.

Yeah, we don't. So it's like that week was like, I'm playing three tournaments. This is unbelievable. Like, ah, check swing. This is awesome. And then, like, same as Liberty National. We had a couple tournaments leading up to that. So it was like good preparation for it.

Yeah, so it's not you guys are out playing a ton of leisure rounds. It's like you pretty much when you get the chance to play, you're playing tournament. tournaments. Yeah. And just hitting balls in the range and stuff. So how did it stack up? Like what was similar or what was different for the Barstool Classic versus other tournaments? I mean, just the whole setup.

Like you guys had an awesome job. Like the qualifier of film, I was fun. I mean, we got to meet all you guys, sit in the bar and drink during the rain delay. That was pretty cool. That was fun. Like Liberty National is top tier. Like, I don't think there's anything better. I think it's more less like the amenities that you come that we came across with you guys.

Like when you go to a USDA event or any kind of tournaments, kind of like, all right, here's your scorecard, you're taking off for 10 minutes, good luck, you know, and you come in, it's like, hey, how these guys doing? You know, do you need anything? Here's this, here's that. We got to pick our own balls on the range. Right. Hey, you play titleless or K-O-A.

That was cool time. So that was a plus. I mean, just from, I mean, every other thing you can think of it, just that's exactly what you want it when you went to the classic. Yeah. It's exactly what it was. Yeah, it was interesting because, like, you guys, I mean, I've played a lot of different terms as well, I live for it.

I've played way more like member guests than I have, you know, like USGA qualifiers, whatever I have played in the four ball qualifier. And like, it is. You kind of roll in. It's pretty robotic. Here's your scorecard. You tee off at, you know, whatever, 815 and that's it. And like, good luck.

And so it was, you know, the goal was to try to capture more of like a member guest, but serious tournament type vibe. It's like you have a couple drinks, have a good time. There's like a little banquet if you want to call it that afterwards. You're shooting a shit. You might meet a couple people. and like have a good time and exchange numbers and become golf buddies or whatever, but also like I want people to care about the golf.

And I think that that was probably the most surprising part to most people outside of myself was how seriously people took the golf. Well, you pitched it in a hell of a way. You said it's America's member guests. Oh, yeah. And that was like, all right, there's people out here serious. And then there's people here to just meet some people and have time drinks and stuff like that. Yeah, and there were a handful of teams on each probably extreme end of the spectrum.

Yeah. There were probably a handful of teams at each that had zero intention of playing any golf. decent golf whatsoever. Meet some of you guys. Yeah. Me, I'm going to get drunk a day off work,

which is totally cool. You paid your just fine. And there are probably a handful of teams who took it too seriously who were like bitching that there were cameras and like had, you know, taking the range session a little too,

like whatever. Which again is fine. Like that's you, we want a little. And most people were in the middle where they were like, you know, yeah,

like me and my partner, we've been going to the range for a couple weeks. We're trying to play some good golf. But we're also going to have some drinks and hang out. So I think that hopefully that's, what, and you guys obviously experienced it, but hopefully that's what we were able to convey.

Oh, it was perfect. Yeah, I mean, we, I mean, obviously us as a, I think nowadays kids don't have that competitive nature anymore, that fire to go out and want to win. And I think me and him playing throughout high school together and continued on to, you know, other events as partners, we've continued to always want to win. It's not. I hate the time we're competing against each other. Yeah.

As partners, like, I'm sure. It's tick-tack, tell them. trying to whop up on it. I don't even care. How upset were you that he got the shine in the playoff? It didn't really matter. I know I was confident in him. There's a little smirk.

No, no, like, not. Come on. You had a good call. You're like, ah, why his partner's in the harbor? And I got some help for that one. I was like, yeah, that was my worst shot of the day. I'll give you that. I had to say that.

I mean, it was unbelievable. Yeah. You were in the harbor. There was a good moment on 18 where you hit it, Rocco hit it on the green. And Anthony immediately, had the putter head off. I was caddying at that point.

The ball had not apex yet. Good shot, good shot. Get in there. Come on now. Let's go. Within a millisecond. I'm like, let's go. Let's go.

He would do the same thing for me. So it's like, we play together and I play totally enough ago. It's like, yeah. We flow. So it's just like clockwork when we're out there playing together. And if he's not, it's funny. I don't even know. Even if we're not on point, it just works anyway.

You know what I mean? Still having a good time. So you guys showing up to Liberty National. You guys, I believe we're only getting one shot each. Yeah, round it up. 50% handicap. So you guys are, you both went up to twos. I think course two is 50% you get one.

Yep. I think you guys shot seven under in the first 18 holes. That's fucking good golf. How well did you guys play? We tore it up. Yeah, we played like blackout kind of golf sort of. Yeah, we don't really. Seriously.

But we started on five. Thanks for that, too, Riggs. Oh, man, I didn't know that. Yeah. That's the water all down the left. I was like, I looked at this T shot, and I'm like, please don't be this. Because that's how you start your tournament. And I'm like, I hit one down the middle, thank God.

And I'm like, I don't even remember that swing, but on the next one. Yeah, because if you rip one there, it's kind of a birdie home. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, and then we kind of, we got through, I guess they said it was kind of like the worst. The toughest stretch. The toughest stretch of the golf course. Five, six, seven, eight or nine. Yep.

And we missed, I think, two four, or half missed two four foot birdies. Yeah, like five. I had one. Well, five, I had one to like four feet, missed it. Six had one to, like, three feet missed it. And we're like, oh, good, gee. This is how today's going to go? And then he birdied seven.

And then I got to eight. Yeah. Which was huge. Wow. Yeah. So that was your stoker. Yeah. And then the next hole after that.

That was the part five. The really long part five. Yeah. Yeah. And we were both like the green side bunker. And he got up and down. And, like, the next hole I pull into like an inch. So tap that in for bird.

and then it just went on a roll from there. You guys were cruising at that point. Yeah, I think he birdied two in a row, then I went off and birdie three in a row. It was like, Bertie here and there. It just kind of flew. It was kind of like we got done the hole. Every time we got up to the green,

it was like, all right, we got like a three-footer for birdie, like just to tap him. Well, this is easy. You know, kind of just like cruise. We got to the playoff. We weren't fighting for shots. Arcadie looked at me. It was like, it was the second hole number 17.

I hit one a little right, and he walked up to me, and I'm looking at it. I'm in the rough and I have no idea how to hit this. He's like, this is your first shot from the rough all day. And I'm like, holy crap. Like, what the hell? Because you've been hit it that well.

Yeah, and he's. He didn't miss a fair while. Yeah. And it's usually the opposite way. Like, I'm usually the scrambler getting up and down. He's down the middle. So it just worked out in that favor. You did miss on 18.

Oh, I missed the whole course. I a little bit. I missed the whole course. Yeah, I was when you were in the harbor. Yeah, I was harbor bound. So let's go to the playoff. You know, I think you guys had a one-shot lead. Yep.

Going into the playoff. 16 is a quirky little hole. It's like, what is it, 280 or something like that? Yeah, a hell of a job. Are you guys changing the pins? Oh, yeah, that threw us off a little bit. Change the pins, which you don't see very often. Change the pens.

So anybody out there listening who doesn't know the format was 18-hole shotgun, and then there was a cut. Essentially top four teams and ties made the cut, and then they went off of 16 based on whatever score you finished the 18 holes at. So you guys were 7-under, I think, through 18 holes. You teed off at 7-under. One team at 600, and I think two teams at 5-100. And so 16 is like a 280 yard part four.

The pin was like middle right in like a bowl for the first 18. Everything funneled to it. The second time around in the playoff, they moved it front left on like a knob. That is essentially if you drop, well, I'll let you guys talk through it because you both took irons off the tea. What was the thought process and like what was the, were you guys like how confident were you going into the play? play off and what was the thought process behind playing 16 the weight was tough so we were sitting there waiting and like I trained you a little bit but we had our methods we had some truly hard telsers so smart yeah but like when you change the pins that really changed our game playing a lot

because like the first time around we hit different I hit a different club and like yeah you still hit two iron the first time around but it just switched up things and I wasn't confident I hit driver hit a big banana slice into it 20 feet and he would put it on the green so then I'm like I can't really hit that slice of this pin right now. So hit the two-iron. It hit pretty well. And then he hit one a little left. Yeah, we talked about it going up.

And he had driver. And I'm like, dude, put that thing back in the bag. You are not hitting driver right now. He's like, no, I got it. I'm like, no, no. You hit driver, a slice-cut driver back to the back of the green. You're not hitting it to that pen.

Now, I'm like, should I hit three wood or two-iron and like driver? And he's like, dude, just hit two-arm. I'm like, if it comes up short, you're just chipping up to it in an easy, well, not an easy pin, but you're checking. ripping up to a front pin that you can control from 30, 40 yards. We're not, you know, we're not Frankie. We don't blade our wedges every now. I had to rip, Frank.

I love it. He's not even here. He gets roasted when he's not even here. It's a highlight of the show. And then, like, I have, we both have the same two arm, but my two arms bent down with 13 degree. So it's more like a three wood. So that thing.

It's like a strong three wood. Yeah, it goes, I mean, I had the ball pretty far, but it probably goes out there like 280. So I was trying to, like, saw something off on it. and I hit it fat, so it actually worked out. Chunk it, club up and hit it fat. It kind of worked out. Yeah, because you were like pin high.

Weren't you on the left? Yeah, I kind of scared. I had no clue how that got there because I'm like, where I was hit? He's probably in a bunker somewhere, like short left. Yeah, I saw a shorthy myself. And I think you guys put a video up of some of, I think four play put the video up of me. A little bump up into the hills. It was insane.

And that solidified. Once we got on, I know. I was making that pot. And then I think the guys that were at set were in the group, what else, they drained the pot. So they were kind of, I was waiting. I'm like, there's no way. I'm not missing it.

But they drained it in front of you. So you guys were tied for like 60 seconds there. Yeah. And he still just stepped up, boom, no problem. Keep it moving. Yeah. I mean, we've kind of been in those positions before, especially in some events where once we get to 18, well, I'll tell that story.

So 17, you know, you guys. You guys both went a little right, but you end up, I think Rocky, you ended up with a pretty good spot. You had like 20 feet or so for Bertie. Mm-hmm. On the backside. Two putt. The other guy, I can't remember his name. He had a vicious lip out for Bertie to tie the lead.

Oh, my God. To tie the lead. Williamson was his last name, I think. Williamson. Yeah, he was a super nice guy. Felt so bad for him. Yeah. But, like, God forbid that happened once for us.

I was like, thank God. In previous events, that 100% is going in on us. It goes right in the heart. 100% is going in on us. So then we get to 18. Hoff goes first. Yeah. Put one in the harbor.

In the harbor. So now. I thought I made a great swing at it, too. I looked up and I'm like, oh, that's solid. Man, it just, whew. All right. So back it up. So you got one shot of lead in the championship and your partner's in the harbor, no offense.

Yeah. What do you, I mean, what are you thinking? You're just not worried? Well, I think at this point, going into it, I went just so zoned in. I mean, I was. I didn't even know I had a partner at the time. Once he went out, I was like, there's no partner here.

Got to focus on herself. Yeah, so I kind of just focused in on, I didn't even look left or right. I was looking at the ball and at the cart and ready to go. So I stepped up and I made almost like a terrible swing. It felt like it coming down at it. But when it hit the club face and went out in the air, I was like, that's perfect.

So let's walk this down. Let's walk this back out. Because you roast? Yeah, it was not it. So, because they pipe one out there. And I remember hearing people saying, like, oh, that's deep. And I'm like, all right, here we go. You ain't going to get me all in this one.

So I had to step up. I just thinking, swing as hard as you can and don't go right. Don't go to the harbor. So it worked out. Got it out there. We got to the fairway, and we had, I think what I had, we had 1.35 in. Yeah. Again, they switched the pin to the front.

Yep. The front and was in the back right. Which is, yeah. That back right pin was tough earlier. Really tricky. That front pin. I missed a four-footer on that one, so we're not going to talk about that. So looking at this, I've seen, they hit their second shots in, and I looked at it.

I was like, wow, it looks pretty good at the pin. And I guess it, like, zipped off my little short left into the fringe. And then I'm thinking myself, I'm like, all right, I love this shot, 1.30, pitch and wedge, choke down the club and just hit it. Don't play it like 30. Yeah, well, just hit it. So I hit it, and once I hit it, I knew it was perfect. And everyone was screaming sit, sits, it. and that thing had some sauce on it.

Serious. That thing, play it as perfectly you can think of, put a put behind a pin at least 15 feet, and then zipped it back to 70 feet. Then getting to the putt and green, I'm thinking, all right, they don't really have an easy pot.

If they make this, you know, I'm not missing, but we got to the point, I was like, okay, I just need a two put. And like I said, we've been in the situation before where I've... Not going to point any fingers on.

Yeah, this was all me. We were in a torn before, Oh, I want to hear this one. We got, so. There's a championship round. It's like a big, a big event in Philly. Big event for us, at least. It's like qualifying Thursday, Friday, you play two rounds of match play, Saturday, match play, and then Sunday, semi-finals in championship.

Jesus. So we get through everything, some crazy rounds, and then we get to 17. We're down one. No, we're all squared on 17. Yeah, we want 17. I make a birdie on 17, get to 18. We both put one down the middle. We both, he hits one on the green, like the perfect.

spot. There's no flat spot on the screen and it's like 10 feet straight up hill no movement. I'm in the bunker. I hit one out to the green and I'm like in the other guy's line where he's putting for par or birdie or something like that. Rocco's like, pick it up. I'm like, I have a par puttut. I mean, if I make this like you release some stress off you and he's like, pick it up. I'm like, you're not giving this guy a line on anything. So I'm not trying to give this guy any advantage. And next of you know, it's so I get a lot. So I get a lot. up and I'm like, all right, he missed his birdie putt. And I'm like, all right, we just got two putt.

I ran it by like same exact. Oh, no. Put as we had at Liberty National. I read my head. I thought about it on 18's Green at Liberty. Oh, no. That was the first thing I thought of. Jesus, God.

Oh, no. This is nightmares all over again. I'm like, no way. I ran this pup by like six, four or five feet. Four, five feet. And now it's coming back. It is a slippery slider that's fast as his table. And he, he's in his pocket.

Yeah, I'm in my pocket. He's like, pick it up. And I missed the part by. Oh. To lose the whole thing? To lose the whole? No, just to lose the hole and going to a playoff. We go to a playoff and we lost in the second hole.

And it starts porn at this point. Literally downporn. They make birdie on two and we lose in the championship. And then here you were in the Barso, classic championship. You've got like eight feet or whatever it was. I'm ready to put behind them. And I'm like, holy shit. I remember this looking for it.

I'm like, please, God. Oh, that's terrible. I know. Just going to them like, I already missed. Just please got a two pot. Yeah. Even though I want to make it so bad. I just

It doesn't matter if you make the put And you still win or you two button you win So I was like you got a two putt I think I put it by like a foot and a half He's like take your time I'm like I gotta do That makes me fucking nervous It was probably

I mean I don't think The most nervous shot I had was on 16 to the playoff Yeah Because like again that weight was a little while And then like it had me thinking Do I take this? Do I take that? So that was that was my nervous shot and 18 just it kind of like I said I zoned down and I was in in the zone as you could say I walked everything down I kind of looked like a little douchebag but

no are you kidding that's cocky that's what that's what you want you should it's just like everything you could dream of like you're walking down 18 you you throw that club into the slot and you're walking the ball onto the green as me your caddy is pulling off your head cover that's great I didn't again I didn't know about the history so that makes things when I go go back and watch it, I'm going to be a little queasy. Yeah. Oh, no. But, I mean, you got you two, but I will say, too, I thought in my head with how much kind of like swagger you had at the time, I was like even if Williamson or whatever the

guy's name was, is that right? Williamson. No offense to him. Sorry for just saying whatever your name is. Great guy. Good player. If he makes, I was like, I think Rocco is making. That's right.

I was just like, I don't think it really matters. I didn't think he was going to make. If he does, I still think Rocco will make it because you had like six feet. You've been playing lights out. And I think that both groups starting with Bertie on 16 was like, oh, we're going to see some golf here, which is cool. And we were talking before about how I didn't want, not that I didn't want, but like you'd prefer to not have two like 28 handicaps win the whole thing. Because then it becomes like we've all seen before of like sandbaggers. The actual member guest that.

Oh, yeah. And it's like how come their handicaps are that high? There's no way they shot this or that. And they're being like, oh, I played a career around and it's really sketchy. Instead, you guys are both like one or two handicaps. It's like, well, those are the guys that are supposed to win the tournament. Those are the best players. So that made me feel good.

I think the 50% really helped that a lot. That was perfect. Totally. And anybody who bitches about that, my reaction to it is like, because the number one complaint is like, well, that really favors the lower handicaps. And I'm like, well, you should be rewarded and have an advantage if you're better at something. Exactly. I agree. If you want to play this game, you've got to be better at it.

Totally. And anybody can have a chance. Like I said, it's 50%. So if you're an 18 handicap, you want to play as a nine, you have a chance. You can totally play. you're getting some strokes, but if anything, it's going to reward the better people who should be rewarded because they're better. That's pretty simple. I hope you may have won the better player beach.

All right, boys. Well, congratulations. Yeah, thank you. Thank you. You got this trophy right here until, uh, probably until March. I think around March is where we're going to start next year's tournament. So it's your guys is until then, and your name will be on it forever, thanks to Alan. That God, it's corrected.

It was wrong, which I kind of wanted it to go on wrong. I'm telling you, I was looking at it, and I've seen him made do the end. and I'm like, that's an E, that's not right. Come on, Alan. Come on, Alan. No, after all that. But you guys, I imagine you'll be at the Philly stop next year. Yes.

You have a lifetime exemption into the tournament, not into the championship. We'll take it. Despite your efforts. I have a feeling you'll qualify again next year. I hope and so. Yeah. But we'll see. All right.

Anthony Rocco, appreciate it. Yeah, thank you. Thanks for you guys. Thanks for coming in. Awesome.