Fore Play - It’s Time: The War On Wisconsin’s Shore

Episode Date: September 21, 2021

Emotions are high. Tempers are flaring. Expectations are high. It’s Ryder Cup week and we’re here for it. Frankie and Trent confront Riggs about his European fandom. Riggs aggressively defends himself. The squad goes through possible pairings, possible outcomes, possible drama, course setup, captains’ strategy and much more. It’s here. It’s time.You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

Hey, 4Play listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Forward Play, I'm in my Barstool Sports. Huge week at his Rider Cup week. This will be a Rider Cup preview. I got the chills, the literal chills this morning, standing on the putting green here at Stone Lake Hills. We're just outside of Cincinnati, Ohio Barstall Classic, with Ian Solomon, our guy who works on the marketing team. We are discussing pairings for the Ryder Cup.

And I got the literal chills thinking that this front. morning, imagine Justin Thomas and Jordan Speath standing on that first tea against Rory McElroy and Ian Poulter and its foursomes, which is alternate shot. The crowd is chanting. And we've got after three years of deliberations of back and forth, of controversies of all kinds of hype and lead up that goes into the Rider Cup, it is just balls in the air at Whistling Straits in Wisconsin. it's like 66 degrees.

A couple guys got their winter caps on. Maybe those giant fucking gloves they wear to keep their hands warm. And it is go-tied boys and girls. And you'll be rooting for Europe. Correct. That is just not a good situation for you, man. Like we're going to be bleeding. I may wear a shirt with just a picture of the guys raising the American flag in war.

Just I could not be. be more patriotic this week. I'm going to be red, white, and blueed out. I bleed red white and blue. When I see Justin Thomas step up to that tee, it's going to be like the New York Islanders are on a power play with two minutes left in the fucking Stanley Cup finals. I'm going to be so jacked up for my team. I want Europe to lose so badly. I want John Rom to never step on a golf course again. I can't wait for this fucking event. Like, I'm, like, I feel like it's a team event. This is a team I'm rooting for. And that's so exciting for golf. I'm rooting for a team. Right. It's easy for us. We're going to show up. We know what we're rooting for.

We're rooting for the red, white, and blue. We've been rooting for the red, white, and blue ever since we were born. So this is just something we're going to do. We're going to show up. We're going to do the same thing. And I was thinking about when you were talking about Justin Thomas and Jordan Speed team off. We've talked to a lot of players on this show and any of them that have played in a Ryder Cup, when we ask them, what's the most nervous you've ever been on a golf course? it's undoubtedly the Rider Cup when they're teeing off of the Rider Cup so it obviously means a ton to them

and it means a ton to us and I'm just like Frankie Borelli and that I'm going to show up in red, white, and blue and root for the American team because I'm an American citizen. Doesn't a part of it drive you crazy that like the team is already in shambles

that we've spent so many days talking about Brooks bitching and saying he literally doesn't care about the Rider Cup that he has all of these feelings of yeah i'm not going to call it a bad week but and then you've got bryson who's doing this hardo type move now where he got chirps so hard for ruining his hands preparing for the world on drive that now every instagram story puts up it's like rider cup prep he has to write on there so people believe he's actually preparing for the writer cup you sound like jeffauchaford you sound like

every every media sheep oh yeah that you do you're just like you're you're picking apart the two guys that everyone knew we're going to be drama queensies going in. It's like every team has drama queens. You can pick any national championship team, any World Series team, any Stanley Cup champion team. There's always those pre-Madanas on the team, but they end up getting through it.

You're not talking about the Daniel Burgers, the fucking Tony Fienows, the Kalamorikawa, the Dustin Johnsons, the Harris Englishes, the Patrick Catlays, the Andrew Schaftley's, the Scottie Sheplers, the Justin Thomas's, the Jordan Spee. Why aren't you saying any other fucking name, rigs? Stop talking about these dumbasses that are on the... But they're just

art, like, when you go to the, like, Tampa Bay Lightning, they weren't going into the Stanley Cup final being like, well, it looks like Stephen Stamcoast is really talking only about himself. No, they're not doing that. You just made that up. Nikita Kuturav is like a rushing guy. No one knows that he's like for the team and stuff.

So because he's rushing doesn't care about the team? That's just not true. No, there's always these things with these teams. There's always these one or two guys. The Yankees had Alex Rodriguez. They still won. There's not always. You're just describing your own teams that have shitty guys that like work.

What are you talking about? They still won the World Series. They still won the World Series with Alex Rodriguez. My point is, is that at the end of the day, there's still fucking guys that want to win the Ryder Cup. You are a pussy because you want that Kevin Kisner to be on the team, and you just wanted that guy on the team. And you're not rooting for the United States of America.

You're rooting for Europe because you wanted your friend to be on the fucking team. And that's not how this fucking works. You have allegiances. You are American. It's the Ryder Cup. What's wrong with you? That's just a sheep. You're just describing a sheep.

You're like, that's not how this works. I will tell you you're supposed to just fall in line no matter what. I will tell you what you're supposed to do. Instead of thinking for your actual self and saying this is bullshit. What I'm watching is Garber. It's garbage. This isn't likable. This isn't followable.

This is a losing team that is two and seven despite being favored all the time. They're two and seven for a reason because they don't care to go out and change. And what I'm actually doing is what the people that built this country did where they're like, oh, we can just follow a line all the time and just pay whatever he asks us to pay, do whatever he asks us to do. Instead, they said, we're not going to accept this losing pathetic bullshit. We're going to try to stand for something different. If that's taking a risk that puts us in a bad spot, we're willing to do that. Instead of just, oh, we're just going to keep doing the same thing all the time,

but we'll just root for it. We're just sheep walking around. Great. Here's what's going to happen. You wouldn't have changed anything about the team. We already talked about this three weeks ago. Right. I tried to.

That's the difference. Nobody cared to try to try to. But you literally said that the team is like perfect, aside from one guy that you probably would have put in. That's not true. I never said that you can do things to try to inflict change among the team. We went through the list of every single player. And you said that you think that it was a great decision of what the captain's made this year,

what Stricker made. You thought that it was fantastic from one to a, You're like, well, we probably could have put Kevin Kisner in there. And now you're rooting for Team Europe because of that. I'm rooting for Team Europe because I put a tweet out. You know that that's correct, correct? Yes. Right.

So would it be better for me to have said something and then gone back and not stuck to my word? But like, see, that's what I'm talking about. You just completely made our point for everything that you're saying. Like, for the last four weeks, because for the last three or four weeks and now leading up to this next week, you're going to act like what we're saying is like incorrect. And you're saying that the team is like going on a way that they should have. that they're that they're not inflicting change like you did all these things to try and like be this new like hero for team USA by by saying that they need to go on a different route to get champions because to get a win because they've only won two out of the last nine these are all things that you're saying like like they're real but it's not because it's just a tweet you're just backing up a tweet that you probably shouldn't have sent so there's really no like genuine backing for what you believe in but i'm but what i would argue is those two things are very much in line like the reasoning that i really want Kevin Kisser on the team is not because he's top 12 in the points. It's not because if we were

doing a two-year race on points that Kevin Kisner with the, I'm very much in line with that because the things that I hate about the American team, I think Kevin Kisner brings together. And the team hasn't, from a leadership standpoint, shown any initiative to actually get to that point where you build chemistry and you build camaraderie. When guys stand in there together, they look one another and they want to go to fucking war for each other. That drives me insane. So what I'm saying is that the Kevin Kisner stance very much was if they have the balls to pick Kevin Kisner as 18th in the points with his Ryder Cup record and all the other points that I've made, they will be showing to me that this team wants to not just have some ceremonial captain

and be like, oh, we put out the best players we could. We didn't make enough butts. That this team wants to actually cultivate a winning team environment and that that will stand in line with that. So my point is, yes, like clearly I put out a tweet and I'm going to stand by what I put in that tweet. But it's not like that's wildly out of line with what I also believe is infuriating about the team that drives me fucking nuts about the American team where there are all these, yes, prima donnas that go in there that talk about like Brooks Kepka said where he's, well, it's not a major week. Yeah, no, we know it's not a major week.

It's the fucking Ryder Cup. That's why we all get excited because it's the Ryder Cup. It infuriates us that this team doesn't on the American side care about the Ryder Cup as much as the Europeans. Everyone knows that. Everybody can see that. That's why the team is favored in their only two at seven. So all of those things, what I'm saying, Frankie, I think those are very much in line with each other.

The tweet and the reason that I don't want to root now for the American team, they're in line with each other. But again, you said that you would have picked the exact same team except for one player. You said you maybe would have swapped Kevin Kins for Daniel Berger. It's like what else did you want this team to do? You have all these genuine beliefs about this team and the way that they're going and how they're not doing the things that you want to do and that they're like pussies and they don't want to pick the guys that will make the team better.

who would you have swapped out? Like you keep, I can continuously keep going back to that comment of you saying, oh yeah, like that is the right thing that they did. Steve Stricker picked the right team. He did pick the right team because I wanted Kevin Kisnerner. Right,

but like you're acting like there's just like ridiculously riddled lineup that like we'll never get over and like they did the same things they've always done. But like we went through one through 12. It's not just the line of. Leadership. But I think that would have been symbolic of them doing the right thing that I want it. But you do more than just pick a team.

Like leadership is it, guess what? A general manager isn't a leader. leader, they're a general manager. They just pick the players. So that's not the same thing. A coach actually cultivates and leads the team. So what I'm saying is like just picking the players isn't like, oh, pluck, we piped you now just go in. Like there's more to winning and creating a team winning environment than just picking a player. And they went to Whistling Straits did like the practice rounds.

I mean, like what else like, what are they not doing? That was literally what kids described on the show as like these corporate hollow outings that they do that's supposed to like build a team instead of actually working to build that team over years. I don't think that they've done that. Like Kiz said on our show, where he's like, I think you build a lot better comrade or you become boys with each other if it's a lot less formal and it's these fun little events where the guys that drink want to have a couple of beers or if guys that want to go out to dinner, go out to dinner. Instead, it was like it was like a media outing. They put out all these videos and it was a,

that doesn't seem like they're really out there being boys and Jellin. That seems like they did it for the cameras, no? Yeah, I guess like Justin Thomas and Jordan Speeth and Zander Shoffley aren't boys and they don't want to win. Like I, I guess. it's always just the same thing. That's a strong man. I never said that. I didn't say that. Well, I'm saying that, like,

you're kind of implying that that's happening. You're acting like the fucking European teams at the pub every single night, or they're hanging out at Rory Macaro's house playing Madden every single second of the day. It's like they're probably doing the same shit. And I just think the United States team is getting absolutely fucking destroyed in the media

because of these two assholes, but no one else is talking about the rest of the team. The rest of the team has camaraderie. The rest of the team is going to rally around each other. You're just, like, not pointing out that there's guys on this team that want to win. I don't understand why this team gets this blanketed just. Because they're two in seven.

That's why. That is why. That's why. That's the answer. But they have six rookies. Like you're just not. And they're also favored. So why are you not allowed to just say like this team is going to go there and win?

I don't understand why it's like the same bullshit that's happened for the last two decades in the media. That's why I say it's like the shacklefords of the world. They're not like looking at this as like a new age United States team, which I think it kind of is. And I think the reason is because they've claimed. that many times. After, what was it, 2014, they did a Ryder Cup task force. They were going to change the whole thing. We got blown out in France. Like, that's not, so, like, the reason the

media is sort of being like, it seems like it's going down the same direction, I think, is because the team also has for two decades gone down the same direction. And yes, a lot of the, like, it's three years of hype, right, instead of two, which two is already a really long time. Like, to go two years in between events is forever. Now you're going 50% longer. So clearly I think there's going to be more and more buildup and hype and people dissecting every single aspect of the entire thing than there was before. So yeah, that's obviously a part of it.

But I don't think that the media is like out of line by pointing out that the team is two and seven and they better show that they're going to change something. We do need Bryson and Brooks to shut the fuck up. We just need them to not be themselves for like a week. Because like you were saying at the beginning, Riggs, with the, um, Bryson, when he is now putting up, like, prep for the Ryder Cup, it almost feels like he's trolling,

which I, when I know that he's not trolling, because I don't think he knows how to troll, but at the end of this, and that was a spirited discussion between you two lads. I just wish you would just fucking ignore the tweet. The tweet happened after a couple of transfusions that happened. And now we're, like, having legitimate debates about it, the United States cares about it.

Like, if he just didn't send out that tweet, we'd all be riding hard on the Rider Cup for the United States. That's my point. It's like, we have to sit here for two hours and, like, debate if, like, the United States team cares about the Rider Cup. Like, if he didn't send out that tweet, we'd all be going crazy about Justin Thomas and Jordan Speed teeing off at fucking Whistling Straits. That's the part that drives me nuts. Right. It does feel a bit like you paying yourself into a corner and you wanted a kiss her on the team, which we all wanted to kiss her on the team.

That's lost in all this. But then you had to figure out the argument afterwards because it became a massive, massive thing. But yeah, that's just, you know, that's the way that it is. Do you regret sending out the tweet? No. That's crazy because now you're saying things like, oh, like they had a task force in 2014. Like they won the fucking Ryder Cup in 2016. So it's like this team like has a chance to just go out there and absolutely dominate Europe.

And you're just going to be on the wrong end of it by saying like a couple guys had a couple bad comments, Brooks Kepka and Bryson Dish Chimbo, who have been in the media for two straight years, annoying the shit out of us with their dumb, petty arguments. And now we're just accepting that as like the new story for the Rider Cup. Meanwhile, we all know that there's 10 guys. And even, dude, Bryson definitely wants to win the Rider Cup. Like, now we're like making fun of him for writing Go Team USA on his Instagram stories. Like, we just can't win with this guy.

Like, like, now he's literally saying I want to win the Ryder Cup. I'm practicing for it. And we're saying, oh, he's just lying now on his Instagram stories. Like, we're just picking apart anything we possibly can just to downplay this team. It's actually sad. I mean, I can't predict the future. We can't do that on this show. but if Team USA just wins, then we just win.

And then we don't have won two out of the last three Ryder Cups and like USA's back on top. I, again, I think like it goes back to the conversation we had, whatever it was a week ago of like, do you think Bryson would rather win the world-long drive on his own or win the Ryder Cup as a team? I think he would rather, if in his heart of heart, I think he would rather win the world-long drive on his own.

I think it's the Ryder Cup. I think it's a, yeah. I mean, you're going to get, If it's an opinion-based thing, I think it's the Ryder Cup. You got a little smirk on your face. I don't think you believe that. I don't think either one of you believes that. I smirked because I don't think it's possible for a human being to want to win an exhibition long drive event.

Like whatever he's, I don't even know what kind of long, is this the championship long drive? I don't even know. Is this like week three of the long drive tournament? Like real long drive Cleveland? It's like their stop in Cleveland. I don't know where it is. I can't imagine this guy in his first ever-long-dive event has any sort of, like, allegiance to that over the Rider Cup. I mean, come on, man.

The guy, the guy has some fire in him. I hate Bryson. I hate Brooks. Like, they still have that fire. They're still professional athletes. Like, we've talked to Bryson after he won the fucking U.S. Open. That guy cares so much about golf. You don't think he's going to show up to Whistling Straits and try and win for his country.

The guy is, like, he's a good dude. He's just weird. Like, it's not like he's like a... It's not like he's a menace to society. He's still going to fucking try. That's what I don't get about people. Yeah, but I think like your, what you keep saying is like,

they're not going to try to. Of course, they're going to try to win. Of course, they prefer to win the Ryder Cup to losing the Ryder Cup. I don't think you guys arguing that. But dude, in your fucking loins, in your heart of hearts deep down, like to care about winning the Ryder Cup

above anything else, I think a lot of people, from even objective standpoints, looking at the Ryder Cup over the last two decades, believe that that passion for the Ryderica burns in more of the European players, if not all of them, than it does in the American players. I think that's what people,

when you look at a team that's been favored, the majority of the time, yet has only won two out of nine. I think that a lot of people look at that as the reason. And I do agree with you that, like, go turn on any, you know, media news, whether it's real news, whether it's sports, whatever. People gravitate towards the negative.

and like two out of ten guys we're going to like focus on because it gets headlines and it gets drama meanwhile there's 10 of them or whoever on the american team that like have their head down that are doing the right things that are really focused and winning and like for the tournament like as a whole i think like that's what you want you want like everyone to be buying in as much as possible you want everyone on both sides to be going as hard for their country or continent or whatever as possible and you wanted to come down to like blood sweat and tears and a final put and be off the charts and I think it it drives a lot of people crazy that that hasn't bled through on the American side for two decades and that seems to go along with like these people becoming bigger stars making more money claiming two decades ago that they like weren't going to play unless they got paid and then Phil going after Tom Watson and then Reed going after the media and now you've got Brooks and Brett I think a lot of it just adds up to infuriate a lot of fans of the Ryder Cup and here we are and yes like I said I think it's

fucking three years of hype that like people don't have anything else to talk about and now here we are and so those things are going to get highlighted but we don't know until we fucking know that's pretty much it like we just don't know see that's the point that I I just can't get over like everyone always has these ideas about these teams it's in all sports right like oh the flyers are a tough team to always play against in Philly because of like the Broad Street bullies back in the fucking 70s. Like, like we're acting like this team right now with the six rookies, with Justin Thomas coming in as who I think is going to be Captain America of this team and and Scottie

Sheffler and all these guys with all this new blood and all this, they have all this fire to win. And we're just acting like they're the same Phil Mickelson versus Tom Watson, uh, uh, Ryder Cup team, right? Like you can't just blanket it over and be like, these guys are. those guys and like this team is that team like just because team USA in general over the last 20 years because it's generally been the same team same same captains same uh leadership like this is like this is not that team and i'm looking forward to a new age of the rider cup and i know we said that before when they

had the task force in 2014 but it's like you know what they end up winning a rider cup after that like this is a new generation and and we've seen that in the pGA tour alone just like how young the winners are now and just how amazing golf is, even without Tiger Woods. I never thought I'd be able to watch and love golf without Tiger Woods in it as much as he's not been in it these last couple years. With every single Sunday, like there's a new guy that we are obsessed with watching, and a lot of them are American, and they're all on the Ryder Cup team, and I fucking love this team.

I do think that they have a new outlook on golf. I think that these guys are going to take Team USA to where we need to go, and they are going to be the guys that have the fire, and there are going to be the guys that go to the bar together. Like, I just hate that we're acting like they're the 1999 fucking rider cup team. You know what I mean? It's fucking bullshit to me. It does feel like an opportunity for Justin Thomas to take a hold of this thing and be like,

those two guys are a circus over there, but let's all rally together. Even if it's just the 10 rallying around each other and being like, let's just deal with these two and let's start winning these fucking rider cups. Like, how great would it be if this is the beginning of Justin Thomas and maybe even Jordan Speed as a tandem as a tandem as a, Team USA Rider Cup duo that just carries this team for the next 20 years. Like I think there's a real opportunity for that. And I think Justin Thomas is the perfect guy to sort of take that mantle and run with it.

Will it happen? We don't know. But it seems like Frankie's saying, we are now turning the page into this new generation where we don't need a task force. We don't need Phil and Tom Watson and all these guys bickering each other. Let's just be the team USA that we want to be. And let's just dominate this thing for the next couple of decades. Justin Thomas has two first names. He's as American as it gets.

It's like this guy is going... And Trent Ryan, dude. I never thought of that. America, baby. Holy fuck, do you have two first names? You've never thought about that? No, man. What's your middle name?

Don't worry about it. What's your middle name, dude? My middle name is Michael. So you got three names. I got three first names. You got three... Just Trent, Michael, Ryan. That's just...

That's a role... That's a roll. call in middle america gym class just trant michael ryan you just raise your hands are all in the same place just you guys got your little pot over there it's just trent michael and ryan are all here this morning at 745 you got three first names man all right that's good shit

and i'm trying to my uh internet connection is a little unstable and i'm trying to ignore it so you don't make fun of me because i'm in iowa where are you yeah cedar rapids i'm in cedar rapids iowa yeah i guess they forgot to put some of those 5G ultra wide band things out there in the corn stacks. It's fine. Now it's clear. Now I can see. Yeah.

No, we got high, high band frequency internet out here in Iowa. Listen, man, I'm bringing the fire today. I just, I woke up this morning and I saw that Instagram post that the Ryder Cup put up the Team USA where they're just like, Rider Cup Eve tomorrow.

It's just like, or today. It's just fucking awesome, man. The fact that like we have this now. It feels like, the Olympics we talked about already, but this is just country rooting, rooting for your own country, whether it's in hockey

for like the World Juniors or the Olympics and then golf with the Ryder Cup and the President's Cup. There's just something about rooting for your country, man. It just gets me so fucking jacked up. Just knowing that these guys are playing on a team. I couldn't, I'm going to sleep tonight like it's Christmas Eve. I mean, we're flying to Whistling Straits tomorrow to go witness this in person. I could not be more excited.

so, so fucking happy. And look, if what you just described happens, okay, if J.T. and Spieth and all these America guys rally around each other and they go out and they get the W over what I think is a very good European team and they're clearly jelling and bonding, I will be the first one to put my hand up and say, I was wrong. I thought that this American team was going in the wrong direction. I thought they showed clear signs that they don't want to do what I and many American fans want them to do, which is to build a legitimate, lasting team-like environment that will continue and continue and continue to dominate Europe. I'll put my hand up and say,

I was incorrect. I will think that that is awesome. I'll be like, this is great for America going forward. I'll be the first one. However, from what I've seen and my reaction to the picks and not even giving Kevin Kisner a shot on this team, I clearly don't have that kind of faith or confidence in the team. I think they're going in the wrong direction, and I would be the first going to put my hand up and say, I was wrong. You guys were right. I also think you'll be the first guy to put your hand up when they say, hey, who wants to go party with Team USA? Yes. You guys keep using that. Like, that's just not going to happen.

All right. It is going to happen. Now it's not going to have. I know that there's going to be, I mean, dude, fucking Tiger Woods came over to us right after they secured the victory at the President's Cup and fist bumped us. Tiger Woods did that. You don't think one of our guys after they secure the victory. year at Whistling Strait after seeing us all week rally around them waving American flags you're gonna come up to us and be like let's fucking go boys

and you just have to stand there and be like boo you stink like you can't you can't celebrate we like we weren't we didn't get to go to like the party after the President's Cup like what it's not no but there's just we all were just like rallying around we were in their circle when they won the President's Cup and I also know

that like it's going to kill you to be there watching that happen Team USA with all the fans after they celebrate, hopefully it's like on the 18th green and everyone's going fucking crazy. It's a dramatic win. Maybe it comes on to the last putt and you're just sitting there like pussy face on me, like, wah. I wish John Rom made that putt instead of fucking Justin Thomas.

Ew. Ew. That is you. And I do think it's a very small chance that we get roped into this Team USA party room. But like Frankie say, that's not going to take away from the atmosphere of Team USA wins. they're still going to be American fans all over that golf course, and the atmosphere is going to be electric if Team USA pulls off the dump. You can't participate in one chance.

I'll be the one standing there, like I just said, I'll be the one standing there saying hand up, I was wrong. You guys were right. The American team did what I didn't think that they were going to do. I'll be the one to do it. However, you guys have to realize, like, if it goes the way that I believe it's going to go, if Europe does what I in showcases, what I believe, American team and wish the American team would do and goes in as massive underdogs and rallies

as a team on foreign soil with no fans outside of me and beats the American squad. You realize that I'm going to have a moment too where I'm like, yeah, this is what I didn't like about the American team. This is what I liked about what Europe does. This was what Europe is doing right here, right? It would be like when the Soviet Union team in 1980 had to stand there and be like, you know what, we're actually amazed watching the Americans because of how much emotion they have after this victory over us, it'll be a similar moment.

We'll have to stand there and be like, look, that European team that's going nuts that just came over and stole an American victory in Wisconsin in the heart of America, like that will have to be a turning point moment as well for you guys as American fans and say, yeah, we need to change the way we're fucking doing things because we just got beat and upset as massive favorites on home soil.

I won't do that because I'm a team USA fan for life. and we have been talking for the last three weeks about how we think that they picked a very good team and how they're putting forward. I mean, I don't know who else they're supposed to put on this team. If they don't win, then they're just not good enough. It has nothing to do with how many people. If they don't win, Rick,

it's because they're just not as good of a team as Europe then because, like, I don't know how many beers they have to drink together to just, like, beat the other team. I mean, you're acting like you got to play darts to win a golf match. It's crazy to me. Like, we have the best players possible. You're acting like locker room guys in sports don't matter. Like, that's not what I'm just.

But, like, you also need just, like, talent, right? You need fucking talent. We've had more talent than them for two decades. We have the talent. But they're just not winning. How come we're not winning? How come we're not winning? Because when they're on the T-box, they're just not playing better golf than the team in Europe. That's just one talent. And whose job is that to get them better? It's called leadership. When you have more talent and you don't win, you need better leadership. That's sports 101. But they won in 2016. Like, like, they still win, like, it's winning and losing in sports. You can't, like, always pin it down to how many beers you had at the pub prior to the, the match. It's just like they just didn't play well those weeks. I don't know. Like, like, you really

think we're not putting out the best players and the best team possible. This team is fucking awesome. Like, you would, they're literally two to one favorite. I don't think we've been putting out the right players. Correct. They're two to one favorites. It's like everyone in the world thinks they're going to win. And when they go out there and lose, it's like, oh, they just had a fucking bad week. Like, it doesn't always come down. It doesn't always come down to how many beers you had prior to the fucking match. It doesn't always come down to how many movies they watched and play patty cake. It just comes down and just playing better. Like, but we just have to play well. When you are the more.

But Frankie, when you're the favored team more times than not, and you are two and seven over the last nine, you can't just constantly draw it up to like, yeah, we need to play a little better. Well, you have to think about like, what can you do to cultivate an environment where we play better instead of just saying, I hope we play better? Like, that's what coaching and leadership and building a team. Like, that is why those things are real things, I think. So if Europe just gets trounce and run out of the building, like, was, did they not have enough camaraderie? Did they not like, did they, did Roy McElroy not whip everybody into shape this year? Does Europe not care about the Ryder Cup anymore?

If they just get absolutely blown out of the building this year? Or did USA just play better? Well, well, a couple of different things that would be wildly different in that example is one, like they are the huge underdog. So from Vegas standpoint, like they're clearly worse in the world rankings.

They're clearly on foreign soil, which has a losing record and a significant disadvantage. So I would say like, no, because what you're looking for when your team loses is like what were the reasons. And so what I'm saying is when you look at the American team, if they are favored, then that's clearly not the reason. The reason isn't like we're not as talented as they are because clearly they are.

They're better in the world rankings. They're better everything. So then you have to look at, okay, we check that box. What's the next things? And what I'm saying is I think the next things are what get blamed, which is like, how do we do we not care enough? Do we not gel enough? Do we not pick strategically enough on the picks?

Like, what are we not doing? Whereas I think if you, if the European team loses and gets blown out, I think that first box that I mentioned gets checked right away. And I don't think that they have to go searching for answers. Like, I don't think that's that wild of a tape. Listen, man, they just, they're putting out the best team that they have. And they're just going to go out and try and win. I know that we have to try and break it down for two hours before.

And we have to do this for weeks leading up because it's a ride. Cup and wear a golf podcast. It's just, I think we're just beating a dead horse. I just think the United States are just going to go out there and try and win a golf match. Every time they step up to a tee, they're going to try and get the ball in the hole as little amount as possible in strokes, and they're going to try and beat the guys that they're facing.

It's as simple as that. Like, I don't know how much more I can possibly just be on this side and just be like, I think the United States are going to go out and try and win. And if they don't, they just didn't play well enough. I don't know. It just happens. The fucking Tampa Lightning got swept by the fucking Columbus Blue Jackets. they won the President's Cup trophy.

Like sometimes better teams just lose. And like we can always come up with ideas as to why they did and why they didn't. It's like, you know, this would be two out of three Rider Cups that the United States are winning. Or, you know, they just lose another one. I don't know. They're going to try and win, though. But do you think, I guess my question would be after Tampa got swept in the first round, do you think John Cooper, their coach, just said to the team,

hey, we got the best players. We're just going to do the exact same thing next year. Here we go. Or do you think he looked inside and met with his squad and his leadership and the captains and whoever else? It said, all right, what went wrong? You cut out there, but I think, yeah, you said what went wrong? And they assessed it. I think Steve Stricker did that.

Like, is, like, Patrick Reed on this Rider Cup team? Our service is abysmal. Hello? Hello? Are you there? Can you hear me? We can hear you know. I see you.

You said, last time I heard you said, you think Steve Stricker. You're right. Would you think that Steve Stricker looked at the way things went and leaving Patrick Reed off of this Rider Cup team was a John Cooper type move and bringing in six rookies and a whole new outlook on this team was the correct move? Well, I would hope so, but obviously I would have liked to go like a step further with, like, Kevin Kistner. We don't know, we don't know what's going on like behind the scenes. we don't know like how much Steve Stricker is or isn't like trying to cultivate this environment,

what those meetings are like, we don't know those things. But like clearly from my standpoint, the points that I've made, I hope that that is the case. Like I hope that they didn't just kind of do what it felt like you were describing where it's like, well, we're just going to put the best players out there again and hope we just win. No, but I think that the leaving Patrick Redoff, who was the biggest storyline psychopath at the last Rider Cup with all these quotes and leaking stuff out to newspapers and hating, didn't even talk to the teammates and his wife was going crazy on Twitter with used golf backs. I think the fact that they went away from that, Patrick, Patty America, Mr. America,

who was literally wagging, Captain America literally wagging his hand in Rory McElroy's face, they left that man off of the Ryder Cup team because he was an absolute locker room assassin. Like, I think we're just glossing over the fact that the United States is looking at it, like John Cooper did after they got swept by the Columbus Blue Jackets. and he is making conscious decisions about how to make the team better. And also, when they got run out of the building in France, it's everything you're describing about why it's going to be hard for Europe to win this one. It was on foreign soil.

And sometimes, like, you know, it just doesn't work out that way. And you're like, I understand that they had better players on the stat sheet, but, like, it just is different going to France and trying to win there. And it's like target golf the way that they set it up. Like, things just fucking happen. And now I just think that they've assessed their team. They lost the last one. They won the one before and they're ready to win again.

It's a new fucking franchise. This isn't your 2004, whatever years it was, Rider Cup team. This isn't Phil Nicholson and Tom Watson. This is Justin Thomas and Xander Schofley and Jordan Speed. That's who this is. And we can keep fucking talking about it. We don't know what's going to happen.

I just know that they're trying to win the Ryder Cup. They are actively trying to win. They want to win bad. They want to win bad. Real bad. They want to win. Right. Can't predict.

future on the show, but I think Team USA is going to win. But like, I think, like, you know, I think the last teams wanted to win too, but I don't think they did the right things to, to, to win, clearly. They're doing the right things, man. They just didn't put Kevin Kisner on. Like, you're just too close to the sun on this thing. Like, you're, if you were just a general fan looking back and not, not having the connection, you'd be like, oh, yeah, I kind of like the, the look that this team has.

I kind of like the direction they went this year. It's pretty cool, actually. And like you just said, and I agree. that like we don't know what's going on behind the scenes like your big thing is that we they're not connecting enough they're not going out and they're not drinking they're not watching movies together but it is like we don't know anything about this team right now it's so behind the scenes that maybe they are hanging out maybe they are jealous we just don't know yeah and i guess like my answer that would be like the only things that we do know are negative like the only shit that

we see is negative that's brooks and bryson that's their screcking those two losers absolute zeros those two guys are. Bro, why don't we just, Stricker should just sit them throughout the whole Rider Cup and just play the other 10 guys. Did you see, now we're talking.

Now we're talking, Trent, Daddy. See that? I don't like that. Imagine that funny that would be if they, he just didn't play Brooks or Bryson the whole time, except Sunday, obviously, for the singles. But like, before that, just like, sit them.

I'd honestly rather him sit Brooks than Bryson. I think Bryson deserves it more than Brooks does. Brooks is really, really taking a down term. when it comes to his public perception. Telling it. I love it. I love it. I think if they just sat Brooks the whole time, it'd be awesome. That's actually a great idea. That'd be amazing. That would be amazing.

But, like, I still wouldn't not have him on the team. Like, you've got to hope that this guy's going to show up. He's one of the best players on the planet. You can't just not have Brooks Kepka on the team, but maybe you could send a message once he's there. Maybe that's your camaraderie. Everyone can rally around leaving the, like, one of the best players on the team on the bench. You know, that fucking Barry Tross says that with Matt Barzell

all the time. Third period, where the fuck's Matt Barzell? Guy's the best player on the team. He's sitting the entire period because he didn't back check. I see but I'm not going to like all of a sudden root for the Rangers that they put him out there is my point. But I agree there could be some coaching decisions within the team. Brooks Kepka is an absolute fucking liability

when it comes to his, every time he speaks now, it's just he's digging himself a deeper hole. What's wrong with this guy? What's wrong with Brooks Kepka? I mean, for the longest time, he didn't say anything. He wouldn't say a word to the media. And then I think he said after he won a couple majors, he's like, I feel like I've earned the right to have an opinion

about certain things that go on in golf. And now, you're right. Every time he says something, you have to, like, take a deep breath and think, what bridge is he going to burn next or what teammate is he going to piss off next? It's really something. How far we've come with Brooks Kefka is pretty insane. See, I think it would send an awesome message if it was like, yeah, if you go out there and you make comments like you don't care about the Ryder Cup, or when you win holes or you

hit good shots and you, the other guy doesn't, that you're kind of like, well, did my job. If Steve Stricker sent a message, so yeah, you make comments like that, you're sitting. You're not playing until Sunday singles when we have to play you. I think that would be awesome. I think that would send such a message to the American team of like, yeah, we don't give a fuck who you are. We don't give a fuck how many majors you've won. This is a team. This right here isn't going out as an individual for 72 holes and trying to shoot the best score. This is going out there in a match with one of your fellow countrymen and trying to defeat this other continent. I think that would be awesome.

I don't think they'll do it. I think, but it would be, even if they sit them for the first day, full day, I think that would send a fucking awesome message. Either do that or you pair them up. It's as simple as that. Pay them up for alternate shot. And it's the greatest United States Rider Cup moment of all time where Brooks, Kepka and Bryson DeChanbo overcame all odds.

And they literally got the ball in the hole together. And they won. I mean, come on, man. If they can somehow figure out how to do that, it's an all-time sports moment, not just Ryder Cup or golf moments, an all-time sports moment of these two lunatics coming together and jelling.

Did you see some girls? I saw Phil responded to a tweet about the, like that idea, which by the way, we had on this podcast, like two or three weeks ago, I saw that Phil responded to that, because I think it was Butch Harbin who had the idea or tweeted the idea or whatever clip.

Phil responded to it and was like, ha ha, I don't think that's going to happen. And he's one of the assistant. Yeah, some girl, um, tweeted at us or maybe even like Instagram DM'd us.

I think she was at a event. Um, and Steve Stricker was out there. And she was like, oh, like, when are we going to see, are we going to see Bryson and Brooks together?

And he just laughed at her and was like, ha, ha, ha, ha, absolutely not. It was crazy. Like in front of everyone. He was like,

absolutely not. I don't see why not. Like I grabbed a water. You know, Rider Cup captains are always trying to avoid the headlines and, like, trying to avoid the heat. That's already happening. Like, we're in headline central already. So why not just make a bigger headline and try to fix what's going on and pair these two together? That's the only way this is going to work aside from sitting Brooks until Sunday.

I guess as a coach and as a captain, it's hard to plan like your first round of this tournament and on the basis that you think that maybe a miracle's going to happen. You know what I mean? Like I think you kind of just go with the X's and O's and be like, all right, like, let's not take the risk on this once in a lifetime, all time sports moment and let's just not pair them together because the opposite of that is they are a train wreck. They don't speak. They don't talk. They don't talk about what club the next guy should use. Like there's just no communication between them and they lose on the 12th hole. Like there's just they don't have an option. Yeah, but even if they don't speak and it's a complete train wreck and they hate each other the whole time, we already know that that's true.

And then the other 10 guys can just be like, fuck these guys, man. Like, they don't want this at all. Let's just sit them and then let's try and win this thing with us 10 as opposed to these two. Like, I don't think those two hating each other throughout an entire round of golf is the worst thing in the world. Yeah, we want to score points. That's the point of a rider cup. But, like, I think the risk of them being like that doesn't outweigh the reward of them

coming together and winning a point and that being a rallying point for Team USA. Yeah, I agree with that. I also think, right, there's certain personalities that no matter who you pair them with, like what they want to do is just be in their own world. Yeah. Yeah, so like, and I think the two of them are probably like that.

I mean, I guess we all kind of think they're like that. I mean, I could see Bryson maybe being a little bit like needy and wanting like, man, I want these guys to be my buddies. And like, and high five me. I've been looking for a hot. He's been like Tom Brady looking for a high five years, it feels like. So maybe him being with a guy that, but I think there's a good chance to two of them.

They were pretty individualistic anyways. If you put them out there together and you got the win, which again was something we discussed. It came up like three on this show. I think either sit Brooks for the first full day or first full two days or go the other route and like put those two together and just kind of see what happens. The other thing I was noticing is that the, what's really interesting is the format is the morning rounds on Friday and Saturday are alternate

shot, which I'm just so used to that being the afternoon session. And historically, like, I think we suck at alternate shot. And so going out there and seeing like if America can get a couple points or not like lose that first session, I think like U.S. guys start to get a good amount of momentum because again, that's always been where like the whole jelling and chemistry. narrative has come from has been like four ball and singles i think we've been pretty damn good but alternate shot it's been pretty dicey ever since that clip of like tiger up against a fence because phil hit his t-shot over there i do go back to what you said about bryson brooks i think

it's at this point i think it's pretty clear that it's up to brooks to extend an olive branch brison certainly wants to be liked by everyone but and again this isn't going to happen this is just we're really going high on the on the theoreticals here but like if Brooks just hugged Bryson on the first tee. Like let's just come on. Totally. Let's just do this. Like who,

who cares? This thing has played out for way too long. Bryson clearly would want to be liked by Brooks. Brooks just is in total fuck you mode for 12 months now. Just like make it happen. Who cares? Even if like they came to the first tee and and Bryson was like carrying fucking Brooks like piggyback style to the first tee,

even if they went out and then they were just like positive and smiling, even if they went out and, lost that match like two down but they were all positive i think that would squash the whole thing and i think it would build a lot of positive momentum like even if they lost if they were positive about it like brooks seems to think that it's so cool to hate bryson when what he doesn't realize is that now everyone hates them equally because everything that comes out of brooks's mouth is stupid and nobody likes it anymore like maybe at the beginning it was funny like ha ha let's make fun of bryson but that's no longer cool so like just cut it out and

now let's start a new chapter of this rivalry or whatever you want to call it and let's try to win a rider cup with it like i brooks really still thinks that hating bryson is the coolest thing in the world and it's super fucking late even lurch and i can get matched up together and play in matches when we do these travel series like lurch and i couldn't be more opposite of human beings hate each other on the podcast came and look at each other can't speak to each other but then when we are on a golf course like hey we're human beings let's just go out of the there and try and win and then we become best friends on the golf course it's as simple as that i don't understand what like you have an argument on twitter and and via interviews you guys throw shade at each other

and like sub tweet each other all the time like that's what this is about that you guys don't like each other like come on dude how do you genuinely hate someone else unless they're like a terrorist or like a racist like how do you right how do you even really legitimately hate another person I don't know. That's, Yeah. It's like, unless they're little

really mean to you, like if you're just another normal person, another normal, like, how do you actually like hate that other person that much? I just get over it. The little amount that they probably interact too, right? Like,

it's probably easy to hate someone that like you constantly interact with where it's like, Jesus fucking can't take this guy anymore. But how often does Brooks Kepka and Bryson D. Chambu Actually interact in real life? I feel like it's never. Pretty rare. Like, if Brooks Kepka just wanted to never see Bryson, it'd be pretty simple for him to do that.

It just, like, doesn't see him ever unless the one time they get paired together in a tournament. Like, they just don't need to ever interact. So it's almost like they're going out of their way to create this interaction and this hate. No, I really do think Brooks likes the, like, adulation that he gets from being the anti-Bricon guy. And we saw that once he started doing Mickle-a-Bricon. I think he reads all the comments. I think he looks at all the tour. tweets and they're like, yeah, yeah, fuck that nerd when like, you're right, they never interact.

He has no real actual reason hate Bryson this much. We saw that very clearly when he started doing Mikhailob Ultra commercials based off of his hate for Bryson and because it was literally becoming viral, like Brooks's stuff was becoming viral that Brooks Kepka saw so much how many people enjoyed his hate of Bryson that he actually made a commercial about it. So, like, that says, that's as bullshit and petty as it possibly gets, where he sat there in his backyard, drank a Mikkelabalta and said anyone that says, like, Brooksie, you get, like, a free Mikkelabalta at the tournament or whatever that fucking promotion was. Like, that's how fake this thing is and how stupid it is. And look, we're fucking talking about the last 10 minutes going into the Ryder Cup.

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which is Jordan Speath, who gets everybody going. I think the two of those lead off. I think their first. I think you're going to have Justin Thomas standing up there with a driver on that first tea and absolutely roasting, you know, trying to roast one and get the crowd going. And I think that the European Padre Carleton's going to lead off with either Rory or Romm is going to be in that first group, I think. You know, imagine Rory, obviously one of the best drivers of golf ball in the world, like standing on that tea, probably with like an Ian Poulter or a lot of people were saying Rom's going to play with a Victor Hoffwood. But you're right, Frankie. getting into the pairings, it's almost as exciting as watching the Ryder Cup is just thinking

for like weeks in advance of who they're going to pair it at. Before we get to the pairings, I have chills going up my body right now because someone tweeted at us this thing about Tiger Woods and I then followed up. Are you seeing some of these things that Steve Stricker said about Tiger Woods possibly showing up to the Ryder Cup? What do you say? He goes, he could be there physically with us or he'll be at home on the phone with us. I've already gone back and forth with him with techs. He will participate. He wants to participate. He wants to be there for the guys. He's an unbelievable player, right? But I think he brings more to the table as captain or an assistant captain. It's odd saying that, but he's so fully

invested in all things, Team USA. So many guys look up to him. And when he was an assistant or a captain, he had the time to be in everybody's back pocket. He is all there. I think that helps the camaraderie. I think that helps the camaraderie. I mean, come on, dude. I'm I am rock hard. You can hear what's happening underneath my fucking desk. I mean, my goodness, this guy is going to show up to the Ryder Cup. I think I place it at a 65% chance that this guy shows up their rider's cup. It's now better than half chance.

I think he takes a private jet and somehow ends up there. I mean, bro, I don't know how he misses it. He means the one that he owns? Yes, whatever, privacy two or privacy air. He just needs to He just needs to show up, man. Think about that. Just think about it.

All right. I still think it's 50-50 on whether or not he shows up. But even if he doesn't physically show up, he could send one hell of a pump-up speech to that locker room that they play, you know, Friday morning, Thursday night or whatever. Like, he's obviously going to be involved. I just, I'm still 50-50 on whether or not he actually shows up. I mean, if he actually shows up, like, I'm like trying to.

run that scenario through my head. Imagine him walking onto the first tea in front of the crowd. Oh. Like what that does? Fucking bananas. Because now this rider cup is just jammed with guys from the generation that he inspired, obviously.

So he's just, he would show up and they would have to win. If he shows up, they have to win. I mean, this quote again, he could be there physically with us or he'll be at home on the phone with us. I've already gone back and forth with him on text. He will participate. He wants to participate. He wants to participate.

He wants to. to be there for the guys. Come on, boys. There's a chance this guy shows up. There's a chance that on the first tee, as Justin Thomas is putting his ball down, like you already hear the roar, but then you hear this second roar of a guy just emerging from the tunnel.

And he's standing there with his arms crossed, and he's got his fucking little windbreaker on and his windbreaker pants. He's got his earpiece in. That's right, Trent. And the place goes fucking crazy. The place goes crazy. And he doesn't even. even acknowledge him.

He just stands there with his earpiece in. He's talking comms. Remember when we heard him? He like lost comms. Back on comms. Back on coms. He's, dude,

I want him there so bad. But I'll cry. I'll absolutely cry. Like I, I know Frankie gets emotional over like anything that happens. But like if Tigerwood shows up, there'll be tears running down my face. Uh,

buddy, you think I won't be crying on that team? I'll be like crying and rooting for the other team. Yeah, you think you'll be sad. You'll be actually set. Let's crank up these pairings. So, I mean, already off the rip, you say the name Rory Macroy, and I start to get a little nervous.

So it's like, you know, where are we going? Are we going to do what we think the pairings are going to be Europe versus USA? Are we going to go straight down the list? Let's go. You want to do American team first? Yeah, I do. Okay. Who do you think they got?

Who do you think Captain Stricker is going out with? So I agree with you. My assessment of this is Justin Thomas and Jordan Spieth. I don't know how you could possibly not pair those two together. They have to gel the best. I mean, I don't know how they all. I mean, I would say the third guy that pairs with them is probably Xander. But that's a no-brainer.

Trent, I don't know if you agree or disagree. But to me, it's J.T. and Jordan Speed. Yeah, that makes the most sense. I mean, what a moment for those two. Obviously, they've been friends for a very, very long time. so to have them standing on the first tee at the Ryder Cup getting the American crowd pumped up. I think that's a no-brainer pairing to start the Ryder Cup for the U.S.

They'll get the guys going in the right direction, I think. Yeah, I almost don't know that there's anyone else you can lead with. I just, again, I think like there's not, there's almost not like a big enough name. Like unless those two aren't paired together, which I think everybody believes they will be, then you could lead with either one of them in the group. but I think again, like send a message, get everyone excited, try to get a point and, you know,

if you're captain's tricker, get a red, red flag up of the board early. I think everyone thinks we're going to see JT and Speed first. Second pairing. Now it starts to get tough, right? Like it starts, you don't know who pairs with who well. For me, I was thinking Patrick Cantlay and Tony Fiener, I thought that would be a good one. We've seen them come down, the stretch here,

on their own ball, and there's just something about the way those two guys are playing. Matching them up seems like a nightmare for Europe. Like, neither one of those guys can really miss right now. And when you pair two guys like that up, I feel like it's the ultimate golfer. Like Patrick Cantley and Tony Fina are playing such good golf right now. I don't know how you can't pair them together.

I feel like it's an automatic win. I mean, the more I talk it out, like do you spread those guys out because of how well they're playing and mix them up with other guys? I don't know like that strategy. Like do you play the two best guys together or do you mix them up with other guys? Well, I think too a lot of times they delve into what their strengths are. So like I think Finao obviously bombs the ball and is one of the longest hitters on tour. I could see, I think there's a lot of theories that they're going to put them with Morikawa

because he's such a good iron player. So if you've got like phenow bombing the ball out there and then you've got Morikawa sending darts in there, and then it's pretty clear, right? So, like, the way alternate shot is, you know, if you tee off, like one guy will tee off on the odd holes, and the other guy will tee off on the even holes the whole day, no matter, like, who finishes the last putt or whatever. So I think the way the par three's work,

it's pretty much, like, odds are going to favor the iron player. So you want your good iron player to be on the odds. So, like, the first team, if you had phenow and Morikawa, if you have phenow go, you know, tee off on one, then like he's going to be hitting, you know, the second shot into two, which I think is like a par five. He's going to be hitting the T shot on three. He's going to be hitting the T shot on 17, which are these par threes.

So I think they kind of think about it that way. But I also could see Fienow like because Cantlay is a really good putter. And if there's anything that holds Fianau back gets his putting. So I could see both them too. And I could see Stricker mixing it up over the course of the week with those guys. Yeah. Yeah, and that same vein, I could see. I was thinking if Bryson and Brooks aren't going to play together,

like if we're actually doing legitimate pairings, I don't know if that's going to happen, but like Bryson and Morikawa, I think would be interesting for that same reason of Finaw and Morikawa. You get a guy that can just bomb the ball, and then you get Morikawa with a wedge in his hand, and you're just, that feels like a no doubt point. So yeah, I think if you mix and match,

I like Bryson and Morikawa, honestly, because I think Morikawa could also calm Bryson down a little bit, but mixing a bomber with a guy who can throw dark, I think is the way to go for the next pair. Yeah, I really like, yeah, I think we'll see a little bit of all of that. Because I, and I don't know if they're going to do the pod system. Like they've kind of been pretty quiet about it, it feels like. Yeah.

I guess that's the way you want to go. It doesn't probably benefit you to like let other people know. I'm curious who DJ is going to play with. Ooh. I mean, he, you know, like, does he need someone with a little bit of fire? or does that, do you want DJ? Do you need someone even keel? Like, DJ and Patrick Kent, like,

their heart rate might not get above, like, 45 the whole day. Right. So you're like, is that what you want? If you combine the heart rates, it might get to 45. Yeah, I don't know. Who would you put with maybe, maybe Burger? I kind of like that one. A fiery, like, kind of abrasive guy, like, burger.

Hmm. Who's going to play with Brooks? who's going to play with Brooks Kepka Harris Inguish You know maybe you grow like a pretty Like bland guy out Like the most bland guy on the team with him Yeah like who's yeah he would gel with

I mean who's he gonna gel with He doesn't want to be there I don't know He doesn't He doesn't He doesn't want to be there Put him with Harris Sigel Harris I was just gonna be like

I'm Harris English over here I don't think he cares Like neither one of them cares that much So And Harris English is fucking sick too right now. He's awesome. It's not that he doesn't care about the writer company. He doesn't care about who he's with or

any, he just seems to be like whatever. I'm just going to play golf and beat Harris English. So, yeah, I think I think I could see. I've heard a lot of Zander and Cantlay chatter because they're both California guys. See, I'd like to see Zander with Brooks

for some reason. I like that also, Zander and Brooks. I need someone with Brooks and DJ. And I know we're kind of, I don't want to throw in DJ into like the Brooks. He doesn't care. But like just something about DJ and like every single interview he's ever done makes me fall asleep. And like he just doesn't have that fire.

I need someone with the passion that we saw. Like Xander just won, you know, he just won a medal in fucking, he just won gold. It's like I want someone like that with someone that maybe doesn't have the fire. I want someone that like wants to play for the country really bad. Like Xander, I'm, I may be most excited aside from J.T. Because I've been calling him Captain America. I'm maybe most excited to watch Zander play in this Ryder Cup. I just think he's going to have an awesome, awesome showing.

I think he's going to be very fired up because he just seems like that kind of guy that wants to play for his country and really wants to perform well in the team aspect. So I want to look for Zander to be paired up with one of those two guys, whether it's Brooks or DJ. Scotty Sheffler. He can be paired with anybody. Our guy, Scotty. Scotty, I think, is such a good choice just because of what you're saying. think Scotty can play with anyone, literally anyone in the whole Rider Cup.

You're cutting out. You pair him up with Bryson and like, I don't know how Jake can possibly edit these podcasts because technically you're not breaking up to the listeners. But to us, you're breaking up so badly. So does he then like throw in your breaking up audio at those points to make it like the continuity and like, like does he, I don't understand. How can internet be good for 20 minutes? and then just not be good for like 10.

I don't understand that. Why isn't it just good the whole time? Am I frozen or you beat or you pretend like I'm frozen? Super frozen. Fuck. Am I still frozen? You're better now. You're back now.

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Cross-country mortgage LLC NMLS 3029 all on subject to underwriting approval, www. nmls consumer access.org. So Scotty Sheffler. Scottie Sheffler is an interesting one. I think he could go with pretty much anyone in the entire field on either team. I think you could literally put Scottie Sheffler out there because he's just a nice, this most jolly, friendly guy in the world. I also think if for some reason anything goes south with like Spieth and JT,

it's just not clicking, whatever, like I think a Speath-Cheffler pairing with the whole Texas thing is kind of a clear direction that they could go to. So Scott, he's a fun one. And, you know, he can play with someone bland like the Harris Englishes of the world. Or I think you could put him with the most polarizing guy on the team of Brooks or Bryson. And I think you're going to get pretty much the same. thing out of Scotty, which is a good quality to have. Totally. I totally agree.

You know, we're going through the United States team a little bit, but one thing that I don't know how they're going to... Who in the world do you match up with Rory McElroy over on Team Europe? You know what I mean? That seems like such a difficult one to me because he's fucking Rory McElroy and like going through their list. I don't know, like, I don't think you pair up Fits with him for some reason. Like, Fitz just doesn't seem like he pairs as well with Rory Macaroy. I agree with that.

I'm going to throw out my guy. I think you pair like Shane Lowry with Rory Macaroy. Yeah. They know each other. The Irish thing? Yeah. Like I just don't know how else you pair anyone else at Rory.

He's so, he's in another echelon, even over John Rom. He's just like another. He's, we've always talked about how he has that aura around him. I just don't know how you pair anyone with them and make them feel comfortable. I think Shane Lowry,

this lovable hug a bear that you could like build a bear workshop type bear. Nothing bothers that guy. like you said, the Irish thing, I don't know who else you compare with them. Shane, I think, makes the most sense. They've just, they've known each other forever. Like, they came up in ranks together. This is Lowry's first Rider Cup. Might as well have the alpha of the team.

I guess who's the alpha of the Euro team? Is it Rom or is it Rory? I would say, I think it's Rory on a, I think it's Rory on an overall level. Like, yes, Rahm is the best player in the world. But I think, like, in terms of when they walk in, like, if they walk into the fitting like three months ago, they're getting fit for their European Ryder Cup closed, and it's like who gets to be the number one guy that goes through

and then gets to get out of there, I think Rory gets to go through first over like John Robb. It's Rory. It's like this in every team, right? Like the best player is not always the captain. I mean, it's with the Islanders, with all these other teams, like, you know, it's just who has that aura?

Who's that guy? Rory's that dude. like John Rom's the fucking 60 goal score. I get that. Like he's the fucking heart trophy candidate. But Rory Maceroy puts asses in the seats. Big time. So it's interesting.

If you go back and look at 2018, Rory played with a bunch of different people. So he played with Olison, who like, Gornborn Olison. If you remember, these are the people that Europe, these are the people that Europe wins with,

which is crazy. He put him with, which I think speaks a lot to what Frankie's saying, where it's like, put him with somebody who's almost the biggest nobody on the team because that person's just like, I'm in the Ryder Cup anyway. And put him with Rory. But then the afternoon, he played with Ian Poulter, which he's played with Ian Poulter a lot over the years.

In fact, like the 2012 clips that people play all the time when Poulter made all those puts on Saturday and got him back to 10 to 6, it was like the Ian Poulter show and Rory was just riding along, not playing as well as Poulter. so he's been able to get a lot out of that. Then, in the Saturday morning, he played with Sergio Garcia. So that's three sessions, three completely different partners that Rory played with. And then that afternoon, he went back to Ian Poulter. So I think that you're going to get a Rory Poulter pairing at some point. Also, like, clearly we shit on Rory's putting all the time.

And I think Poulter in these events steps up and makes a ton of putt. So, like, in foursums and alternate shot, I could very much see. the two of them being paired together because Rory's going to stripe the ball and in theory, Polto make a lot of puts. So I could see that one. I could see Shane Lowry.

Outside of that, I really don't know, maybe like Teryl Hatton because he's kind of a wild card. I don't know if you put a wild card with Rory McGrath? I see Hatton and Paul Casey together. Okay. You know,

there's something about those two guys. Like I think Paul Casey's like the nicest man on earth and Hatton goes into anger match. in classes and like tossing his clubs at people. I just think that those two. I could also see Shane Lowry and Tirol. You know what I mean? Like how they completely total opposite.

They kind of look alike to a degree in terms of like their like Shane's a little bigger version. But yeah, I could definitely see there's like the English connection too with Casey and Trial Haddon. The one pairing that scares the shit out of me and we're just going to get this out of the way. And I think USAA is going to dominate him, but it's Rom and Victor Hovlin for me. They're the two highest ranked guys. on Europe, Hovlin, the rookie. I mean, to me, John Rom and Hovlin just trounce.

I don't care who they play. They may even trounce fucking Justin Thomas and Jordan Speed. I don't know how you beat those two guys in any fucking form of golf. Anytime there's a golf ball and a golf club in any of those guys' hands come by. Imagine John, Rahm and Victor Havim playing the same ball. I also worry that, as an American, that Rom is going to be able to channel his psychoticness into really wanting to be like a Rider Cup stalwart and wanting to be really good at the Rider Cup.

So he's, no matter who he's paired with, and I agree that Victor Hovlin is a scary pairing with Rom. But I think Rom is really going to accept the challenge of the Rider Cup and just go fucking crazy. So he's screaming like, Vamos! Like crazy shit. Right. Like getting the crowd, like fucking giving them the middle finger and shit.

Like, Rom? Hopefully Rom can control his emotions because he may just helicopter a club into the, the crowd. Like, not even out of anger, just like out of draining an 80-foot put to win. Like, we know this guy

can't control his emotions. He just goes, yeah, it just tosses his fucking bag into the stance. It just becomes a monster. Dude, remember what he,

too? He took down Tiger and Paris, like, play him one-on-one. And, like, I don't think Tiger even played that poorly. And Rom was just,

that was before he was the John Rom Rom that he is now. So, yeah, he's going to be a problem. I remember, um, right after the captain's picks, where now it's

uh Pat Perez and I were texting and he just said John Rom won't lose a match in Wisconsin. I believe it. Unfortunately I believe it. So got Tommy guy's just a problem.

Got Tommy Fleetwood, Sergio, Fitsy. Fuck man. They have a good team. I don't know why they're, they're like two to one underdogs. To me that's

pretty insane. Yeah. And I think there's a comfort level, right? Like when you get, uh, Sergio and Lee Westwood in there together

who have just won endless Rider Cup matches like the two of them look at each other like oh it's like it's fucking 2004 out here like oh we're good like that's not

you know that's that's that comfort level that's like oh we're just in the we're in the trenches again we're in the war so I like you do if you're you know root for the American

too you do have to worry about that because those guys they just get such a comfort level out there with all those points like Sergio is the most he has the most points and they get in the history of the rider cup right there's something to say

about I'm really excited about the rookies on the U.S. team. I just think that we need that fresh blood. It's everything that we've been saying that the team doesn't have. Like, we just need to just wipe away all the bullshit, bringing these new guys, have them perform well. But I also love old-name veteran players. I do this with my fantasy football team. Like, I get my fucking Antonio Browns.

I have Tom Brady. I've got Julio Jones. Like, all these guys that you're like, oh, they're, I mean, my team's unbelievable because they're just big-name veterans. like big name veterans get the job done i mean fuck i'm an islander fan we've got all of them now i got zack perise playing for the islanders we've got zedano chara playing for the islanders i'm so jacked up let's give me big names and when you hear about Sergio garcia and like ian polter like yeah there's fucking amazing young players out there in the world there's probably amateurs playing in in college right now that are better golfers and ian polter but that name just does it in big events

That name, Sergio Garcia, just gets it done. Right. I'm looking at it now. This is, all right, Dustin Johnson, it's his fifth rider cup. That's a lot of rider cuffs. But he's a name that gets it done. What? DJ's a name that gets it done too, even though he doesn't actually get it done.

He's a name that gets it done. But this is Sergio Garcia's 10th Rider Cup, and it's Lee Westwood's 11th. So it's just a comfortable. They're comfortable. We got a really young team in terms of Rider Cup. what's the word I'm looking for? But we just don't have the amount of tenure that these guys have at the Ryder Cup.

And you're right. Like Ian Poulter, I mean, we make fun of Ian Poulter constantly. But, like, you put him on a Ryder Cup and he feels comfortable, it's a very different Ian Poulter than on the PJ Tool. Very different. Yeah. We might have a Frozen Riggs again.

We're doing Frozen Riggs. Wow, he's super frozen. I don't think he's going to come back, honestly. I guess I'll take this time to wish my parents a happy 40th anniversary 40 years of love and care and yeah Happy anniversary to the Borrellys

Thank you very much 40 years 40 years yeah that's a long time That's a really a long time Oh now we lost There goes Benedict Arnold He just left the fucking show You know Trent me and you

We've got some work to do It's just me, you, and the listeners right now before Wrigs gets back. We really got to wrangle this guy in and make sure he does not waver on his love for the European team. Like, we have a big week coming ahead. No, we'll make it happen. I'm confident. I really am confident that we can make that happen. I believe Samuel has rejoined the show.

And he's still out to lunch. Speaking of parents, you're in Iowa. You stopped home to see your parents and your mom said something nice about me. Is that what I'm hearing? She did. Yeah, it was at a note. Nowhere. Yeah, so I'm back in Cedar Rapids, and I got back yesterday. I saw my folks, gave him a hug, the whole deal. And then we're talking about Bandin. We're talking about Vegas. And then out of nowhere, my mom says, you should have brought Frankie. And I was like, what? She's like, yeah, I watched the Breaking 100 series. He seems awesome. You guys get along great. I want to meet it. And I was like, I don't know when that's going to happen. Like, I don't know when Frankie's coming to Iowa. But yeah, you should meet him at some point. And then later on, she said, out of nowhere, She was like, was he in Arizona that time that we went out to dinner?

And when we were out there for like the Perez match or the Perel match, I was like, yeah, he was there. She's like, oh, man, I should have met him there. And later on, my aunt showed up to have dinner. And at one point, she goes, my aunt was just like, oh, I love the break 100 series. I thought that was great. I thought that Frankie seems like a great guy. And my mom was like, me too. And she was like, boy, we should really meet him at some point.

Dude, I have to come to Iowa. I have to come to Iowa. I mean, at some point we talked about doing just like a Midwest travel series where we just bounce around to all these golf courses. We have to stop in Iowa. We got to go to, what's the place called? What's the golf course that you grew up playing? St. Andrews. St. Andrews.

The real home of golf. The real home of golf. Holy fuck. I mean, you, I'm on this trip home, I am an afterthought. Huh? On this trip home, I am an afterthought. It's the Frankie Borrelli show in Sierra Rapids.

They just want to meet you. Oh, God. I need to go. I need that warm embrace. We'll make it happen. Yeah, I need to make that happen. It looks like Riggs is back. I'm maybe back.

Yeah, there you are. My back? You're back. I don't know how stable it is, but you're back. I like when Jake sends terrible ideas. That always makes me laugh. Like, I didn't think of that. Who.

Behind the seeds, he goes, Jake sends a text message to our group. He goes, maybe just do Zoom via iPhone. And we run your audio for the second half. Riggs is clearly scrambling to try and get his show to work. So, but you know what? Jake's an idea guy. He's throwing him out.

You know, you can't always be, you know, you got to see what sticks. You got throw shit at the wall. Yeah. I mean, you definitely, definitely. You just got to assume that I wouldn't have tried the most obvious choice of all time. Like, clearly, like, why would I, in any circumstances, have tried that? What did I, what did I miss?

I miss anything? We talked about, it's my parents' 40th anniversary. So I said happy anniversary. Happy anniversary. I saw that on Instagram this morning. That's very nice. And then we talked about how Trent's mom, I think, loves me more than him. Straight up.

I saw that. I saw a tweet about that. And my aunt, my aunt later on came and was like, I want to meet Frankie. It's a whole family. I'm me. I'm home. I don't know what to do. You did something that I feel like you haven't done a long time.

You surprised your family back, right? Because we were out in Bandon. And then we went to Vegas. We played Daniel Kang in a four-man scramble. Almost forgot the name of that series. We played her in a four-man scramble. And then we had a couple days off on our way before we go out to Whistling Straits. And you went straight from Vegas to Iowa, which I thought was very nice.

I feel like you're usually get me back to my apartment in New York City, even if it's for 12 hours, and then I'll fly out. Yeah, I was slated to take a red eye back on Saturday night back to New York City, and then we're flying to abandon on, like, early Tuesday morning. So I figured it makes more sense to just go from Vegas to Cedar Rapids, see my family for less than 48 hours, I suppose, and then just jump to Wisconsin as opposed to Chris costing the country going Vegas, New York, and New York to Wisconsin. And yeah, it was very last minute. And I told my parents about it and they were pumped. They always have a room. You guys can see it here. I'm in the basement.

And they're very excited to the evening. It looks like you're in a bunker. I mean, it looks like you're in like a bunker. We had dinner last night. And yeah, they're very excited because usually I come home for the holidays in December. Barstool has like a week off. And then in the summer, I go for Labor Day or Memorial Day weekend. And it's usually two times the year.

It's going to be three times the year this time because of this. quick little surprise trip home. You get any home cooking? Usually I do have home cooking, but it is so last minute that my mom didn't have the opportunity to prepare, like, what she would normally make. So we've just been eating,

we got pizza last night delivered. Golden Corral? Did you go to Golden Corral or anything? No, no, Golden Corral. We're going out to dinner tonight. Maybe I'll suggest Golden Corral. I don't know. We'll see where we go tonight.

It's a great buffet, Golden Corral. Massive. They have more food there. You could crack it imagine. Yeah, it's good to do. Yeah, I can't, so if we're all doing this, I came home. I had my pre-op today or else I would have went, maybe I would have went home with you and just hung out with your mom to Iowa,

but I ended up, I had to come home to New York and to have my little pre-op thing. I got my surgery coming up on the 29th from my elbow. That was a whole deal. I almost asked them to just throw in the knee surgery while they're at it. While I'm knocked out, I said, well, don't you just go in there and just clean up the knee. The knee, I was telling you guys, I have a pinch nerve in my elbow. The ulnar nerve is officially pinched. I'm getting surgery to release it.

It's going to be a three to four week recovery. And then I'm going to be a little sore in November. But I'll be able to get back to normal activities late November. So that's happening to me all of October. The knee has become a very, very bad part of my life. I can't even get out of bed. So I don't know what the official. assessment is of the knee. I haven't gotten a checked yet. I think I need an MRI. So Bandon really put a number on me.

I'm living with a brace on. I have to consistently ice my leg every single night. Like I'm 90 years old. Last night, I came home, didn't have like one of those ice packs. So I basically iced my knee with frozen cauliflower, like a bag of just cauliflower that was in the freezer. So yeah, I'm grinding. I'm absolutely grinding right now. I'm falling apart. But I got my vitals taking today. Everything was good. I had good blood pressure, good heartbeat. So that was all nice. They did take my blood. They did take my blood. So I said, oh, I guess I'll talk to you guys tomorrow about that. We'll see what's in there. I can't hear you. I think Riggs is on mute. No, he just has no service, dude. No, I can't hear a word you're saying. We can't hear a word.

This fucking guy's saying, man. What the hell happened to my audio? Oh, there you are. There you are. There you are. It was a service audio issue. What does that mean? I don't know what it means. It just means that somehow the Wi-Fi waves weren't bringing your audio to us. What I said was we did a four-man scramble against Daniel Kang on Saturday. And three holes in, she just goes, this guy complains a lot, huh?

Yeah. Yeah. I wanted her to know that every shot I hit out of bounds was because my knee was exploding within my brace every swing. but it didn't really work. She didn't give a fuck about my name. Daniel Kang's an assassin, man. She's, uh, she was like,

she can really shit talk. She was fucking, that's going to be a good video, man. People are going to love her if they didn't already. Like Daniel Kang, the people's golfer, people's woman's golfer.

I mean, my goodness is she, she's one of the, she's one of the boys. I don't know if that's like a term you're allowed to use, but she is. She's like one of the dudes. She can sling it like I've ever seen it before.

I've never seen someone that can sling. at like her. She just looks at you and she roasts you. Absolutely fucking roasts you. Right to your face and then just pipes to drive right down the middle, picks up her tea and just like laughs at you. She was like mean. She was borderline mean, which I love. I was like so into it. I'm like, let's go, Daniel. I fucking just kill me right now. She was awesome. She's ruthless. She was ruthless. Most guys have tried different ways to last longer, but thinking about, you know, rider to cup pairings or T-shots or Frankie's knee doesn't always work. Folks at Roman, an online men's health company

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You know, what do we got to do? We got to start putting banana peels like they did. Yeah. I can't hear you now. Can you hear me? Yeah. I think electric is the next. The old service audio issue.

I can't hear anybody. I think I tried to read Riggs's lips there. I said, yeah. Because I think he said back to the future. Is that what he said? No. Because that's the reference I was sharing. No, I didn't.

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Well, Elon Musk is, we learned this in band in one of the caddies. I think it was Dylan was showing us that they're, like, Elon Musk is trying to send up those Wi-Fi satellites where they say in like 100 years, you're going to look up at the sky and just see these like beams, this row of just lights flying through the sky because it's just Elon Musk's and like Wi-Fi, free Wi-Fi. It'll just be consistent internet throughout the world.

I don't even want it to be free. I'll pay for it. I'll just pay for the Elon Musk everywhere Wi-Fi. Like, that's fine. This may be the worst podcast we've ever done when it comes to like flow. I don't know how Jake's going to fucking film. I guess he like mutes people because I guess he's getting all the certain tracks. This is going to be a bad one, man.

I mean, it's been crazy. And I'm sorry to the listeners. Like, you guys always fucking say, like, I talk so much and, like, we ever have flow and we're not in the... It's like, dude, it's impossible right now. I mean, we can't hear each other. It's an audio. It's a podcast. We can't hear each other at all.

I'm the only one that can, like, speak right now. Both your Wi-Fi stink. My Wi-Fi is good right now. I can hear it. I don't want you over. I will not. I don't want the takeaway from this podcast to be that Iowa Internet sucks. Cincinnati internet sucks. Yeah, Trent's been better since the first five minutes.

That's good. How about Max Homa? Our boy, Max Homa got a win yesterday. Mustache. With the stash. Wustash, Max. Money. Look, he's got three wins in the last three years.

Gets his, you know, first start of the new season. He goes out and gets the W in California. Two of his three wins came in California. He's a California guy. Awesome to see for, you know, the Twitter guy and one of our good buddies. Yep. It's nice to see when the Twitter guy backs it up.

We said that in his last win. There's just something about, you know, talking shit on the internet, and then you got to go out there and perform, and he does. So continue to talk that shit, Max. It's nice to see you get the victory. You're 1-0 on the new season, which has got to feel good. You start the year off with a win. I mean, he's just undefeated in the 2021-22 season,

which is pretty hard to do in golf. Right. You can't win them all if you don't win the first one. That's right. Yeah. Only one person can go undefeated in the whole season, and Max Homa is the only person that's able to do that right now, which is a pretty cool spot to be in.

So congratulations to Max. We're happy for you. Fan of the pod. We're a fan of you. It's nice to see. Very nice to see. Pump for him. He just hits the ball so good.

It's crazy how good he hits it when he rolls it pretty decently like he did. He's very, very tough to beat. I think I saw he gained like eight strokes on the field or something, Tita Green. he can just pipe the ball. I think Max would be a top 10 player in the world at some point. He's phenomenal. He hits the ball a mile too.

Like he's sneaky, fucking roasts a golf ball. All right. Parings. I think we could see Tommy Fleetwood, Matthew Fitzpatrick on the European side. A little English connection. How do you feel about those two? They've done. A couple of small lads.

Small chaps. Small chaps. You know, Tommy Fleetwood. He's got the long hair, but he's got no ass. I've said that. Every time I see him in person, it's stunning how flat of an ass he has. It's like a Frankie Borrelli ass. I don't know how he's gotten to where he's gotten with no buns on that ass.

He's got to take a bite out of Daniel Berger's book. Caboose. I don't know how I know. I'm always talking about asses on this thing. It's unfortunate. But listen, I think that's a nice pairing. I'd love to see. fits do well, just not well enough to come close to winning this week.

Like, I want him to have a fun time, a fun experience. He is a friend of the pod. I'd like to see Fitz, like, not blow up and, like, hate the fucking Rider Cup and, like, be like, whatever it is what it is. I didn't play well. I want him to have a good experience, just not win. I'd like to see him win, obviously, clearly. I'm pumped he got in there.

I think he was, like, the last guy to get in on the points. And the Ryder Cup, man, the European Rider Cup points list is very weird because there There's guys that, I mean, Tommy Fleetwood, by all measures, like, did not have a good year. I don't even think Fleetwood didn't even make the FedEx Cup. Like, he even make the, I don't think, the first event. And yet he makes the European Rider Cup team. So the whole point thing is weird. Like Justin Rose is really close to making the team on the points and close to getting

a pick. And like, he didn't even qualify for the FedEx Cup for the first event at Liberty National. So some of those points are really weird the way they do it. Obviously, Shane Lowry won the British Open. 2019, and he's been pretty damn consistent. So he got the pick. So it just always feels a little bit, too, with the European team. Like they're coming in almost as like unknown strangers.

Like even, yeah, there's a few guys. Obviously, Rob's best player in the world. Rory, we see all the time. Victor Hive, we see a good amount. But it seems a little bit like mysterious. And then they just kind, they're almost like Vikings. They just kind of appear. And then it's like, oh, these are the fucking guys we're playing.

Oh, shit. Here it goes. So I don't know. There's like a mysterious aura about the team a little bit. I feel like. Do you guys feel that at all? Yeah. Yeah, they do things different over there for sure. There is a weird aura. And like I said, I don't know how they're two to one underdogs. There's good names over there. They're good players. I just don't know how. I mean, when you stack up, I guess they're just going based off of world rankings at that point when they're coming out with the rankings.

Like, just USA has just significantly better numbers when it comes to world rankings. But, man, those like it's just going to be tough to go one-on-one battles man like these matches are hard especially a four ball like you just don't know what's going to happen and foursomes like it's just hard to really say one team is going to dominate another to the point of two to one odds um i also think that's like we'll we keep talking about the vagus odds and how the team usa is favored i think being the very public underdog the team that doesn't have the top talent that the team us if you're a team europe you're like everyone thinks that we are not as good as this team because we're not as top of me.

That's like if you, that's the number one easiest thing to rally around where it's, they're saying, oh, we're not as good because we don't have the highest world rankings. Then let's just beat these guys. Let's prove everybody wrong. Like that must be the easiest thing to rally around. And I think that's like a big point in contention for team Europe. They can just say, yeah, Team USA has the Dustin Johnson's, the Bryson D. Shampos, the Brooks kept because the Justin Thomas is, we'll just go out there.

and beat them because we're the underdog. There's no better role to have in sports than being the underdog. It's the best. Yeah. Except when like the, except when the favorite just wins most of the time. But it's, but beforehand, before you even tee up the first ball, being the underdog is the position you probably want to be as a team. I agree. But looking back, I think we can all agree that the favorites across all sports of all time,

most of the time win. I agree with that. Okay. So it is better to be a forehand. I know, I know, but I'm saying like, so like in every situation, you're saying it'd be better to be the team that's underdog because of that feeling, that rallying around.

But I'm saying, like, if you take statistically every underdog in every sport, they lose an immense amount of times. That's true. So then you'd rather be the team that, like, historically wins all the time. Right. I'd rather be the team that, like, doesn't have the bulletin, board material but just wins all the time because they're favorite like the favorites just always

win i understand what you're saying but that also is a point of like statistically people don't think we're going to win right i think these odds are wrong if we're being honest you know and i know we got to look at the official barcel sports book odds i i mean they're probably close to two to one is that what they are currently even after all the bullshit i got it at two to one and i believe after the captain's picks were revealed for the European team, it might have even gotten worse than that for I think they became even more favorite. I'm trying to pull up on my

phone, but again, my phone has no service, which is why I couldn't just tether it, because if I could, that'd be obviously a really good answer to the Wi-Fi solution. Maybe I'm getting caught up in the media Shackleford bullshit where it's like, oh, it shouldn't be

this big of a favorite. I have to take a step back, realize how good the United States team is and that they should be four to one favorite. You know what I mean? Like they're going out there against Tirol Hatton. Like, come on. Like, let's just,

we got Weisberger across from Dustin Johnson. We can figure out how to win a golf match with these guys. I mean, there's not one week link on the United States team. They're all fantastic superstar golfers. So, yeah, they should be favorite now that I'm thinking about it. But, like, there's all this bullshit. That's like, you know, Europe always has a chance.

They've won seven out of the last nine. It should be closer. But I don't know. It's just not. Oh, we can't hear them again. We can't hear them again, man. I'm sorry. I don't know what's going on.

Can you guys hear me? Yep. So what I'm seeing is Team USA is minus 186 right now and Team Europe's plus 188. So it's gotten a little closer, actually. There we go. So that's 186 is, all right, that makes more sense. I thought you were going to pull up minus 245.

And then now we're getting crazy. I wouldn't be surprised if it lands close to like minus 160 or something by the time we get to, you know, maybe get a couple more quotes from some of these, you know, the problem children on the U.S. team and all of a sudden it gets a little closer on the, on the betting odds. But yeah, I'm seeing Team USA minus 186, team Europe plus 188. A tie 14 to 14 is plus 1,200 if somebody wants to 6. throw some money on that.

But yeah, I think that makes more sense. I think it should be closer. I'll tell you what, if you go on the Barso's Sportsbook, some of these bets are awesome. Like the top combined points score, like basically all the odds for that are great.

So, like, you can just go and pick, like John Rom is the favorite for points combined, uh, top combined points score and he's plus 800. It's like no matter who you pick, you're getting amazing odds. I know it's hard to pick out of the, what is it, 24 players that are available.

But, I mean, you can kind of narrow it down to, like, three or four guys that are probably going to lead this entire event and points. Like, you know, John Rom, J.T., Rory, Cantlay. Like, these are names that, I don't know if the other guys, like, I mean, John Rom plus 800 to lead the event in points seems like a no-brainer. It's just wild because I remember, like, Fleetwood and, and Ari were both like, what, five and O or something at the 2018 writer come?

So it's just like, I do like, when I saw it, Rob plus 800 and JT, like that is, that is appealing, I would say to sprinkle a little coin on there. Because even if Europe loses, Rom goes like four and one or something. Like he, he's going to be, he could be the top point guy and you cash a plus 800 bet on the basketball sports book. Come on. I guess because, I guess when you picked it. top players, they're paired up against the top players.

So, like, you should probably sprinkle some on, like, the Colin Morikawa's who are plus 1,800. Or, like, the fucking Daniel Berger's plus 2,800. Like, what if he just goes out there and goes 5 and O? Because he's, like, matched up against much worse players and he just absolutely dominates. That is pretty fucking good, actually. So, that's a good point, Riggs. I think that I would stay away from the favorites now that I think about it.

And I would sprinkle some in the middle range, right there in the middle of the pack. those guys that are really good fucking players. They're obviously top 12 in their country. And they're just going to go out there and play against a little bit worse competition. Give me those guys. I like that more a cow bet a lot. Oh, yeah, plus 1,800. Holy fuck.

Just to put a little bit off a lot and then hope that he goes crazy because he can. Dude, you know, I'm like Tony Fienow is plus 2,000. Like, you know, I could see him getting a little hot, you know, winning a couple matches. And like you said, maybe he's getting matched up against, like, Weisberger. fucking hat in out there or something and he brings home a couple easy Ws, not that that's going to be easy, but if he gets the right matchups

and Tony Fiena like stays hot after winning at Liberty National, you know, you could see plus $2,000 for somebody like that. I don't hate that. You'll catch me putting I'm going to be sprinkling some bets for, you know,

I definitely want to do Team USA top points score because those odds are just as good and you're eliminating the other 12 guys from Europe, right? Like, you're looking at a plus 1,000 for Tony Feena, just lead the U.S. and points after the event. You're looking at Xander Schaftly, plus 750 to just lead the USA, be the best player on the USA, most points racked up.

So, I mean, I'm definitely going to be spread. I mean, you could spread 50 bucks on each of them, and your odds of hitting are going to get greatly improved. I mean, there's only fucking 12 guys there. I'm going to be able to narrow it down to the top three or four. Let's put some money on these things, baby. Let's go. I'm all in on this.

I love this bet. Dude, the rider comes probably amazing to gamble on. It's going to be fun to do the match matches, too, once they go live with the matchups. How fair is he going to be when you put it money on some guy and then he gets sat for the session and you're just like, why?

Why? To be the top points earner and he just sits. Right. You can't have that. Weather. So I'm looking at the weather. Weather looks awesome. So pretty much, if you look at Sheboygan, Wisconsin, shout to Sheboygan.

Come see Sheboygan. There you go. It looks like Wednesday through Sunday, it's pretty much between 63 and 69, nice, are the highs. And the highest I see is a 24% chance of rain, partly cloudy. Sunday it says mostly sunny. I'm seeing wind between 20 miles and hours. hour and 13 mile an hour so there will be some wind out of lake michigan out there but all things considered the weather looks like it's going to be fantastic for the rider cup quarter's up season

we are also going to be outfitted i saw our friend uh our guy of barcel sports ian sent me our scripting and it's just as good as it was for the masters it's crazy pina milar is the best in the game being able to just script us idiots with outfits um i mean my outfits are insanely good. It's awesome. I just can't wait to put that shit on and just wear them around whistling straights. And yeah, I'm excited. It's perfect weather to watch some golf.

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Remember we got some funny chance that we've gotten from past Rider Cups? I'm excited for a lot of the crowd activity that goes on. Yep. Yeah, the more we talk about it, the more I think about it, and I've never been to a Rider Cup before is my first one. I'm just excited to see the atmosphere. There's going to be a crowd. A lot of American.

fans because I don't think, can you travel from Europe right now? I don't think they're really allowing anybody to, no. Okay. So it needs to be like, yeah, I think it needs to be like, whatever they call it, essential. Oh, okay. So it's going to be like 99% American fans. And I'm just excited to see the spectacle of the whole thing. I'm very, very excited.

And I get to wear sweet Peter Millar scripted outfits the whole time. It's just going to be a fan. trips. I get swept up in the, like, I mean, there's no better feeling than right before puck drop of ice hockey playoff game. Um, like, you know, and I, I get swept up in all that shit. The fact that we're getting that kind of environment on the first tee is going to be otherworldly to see that on a golf course. Like, I've always wanted to see how it actually feels and sounds and looks and like, you could actually just feel it when they're just not being quiet on the first tee during the drives. Like, I would, I've never experienced that.

that before of people just screaming and keeping going. Like I like, you know JT's going to be like, keep it going like harder, louder, give it to me. He's just going to stripe one. Oh my God. I just, I need that, man. The hands pumping. Let's go.

I just hope it's not corny. Like, you know, sometimes golf guys get corny. I hope that we can keep it tight and we can keep it cool. Golf guys get corny sometimes. But Rider Cup usually just always legit. No, if they, if he just does this. Yeah. That's it.

Roll the arm. But the JT can't be corny, like a Harris English can catch himself into some weird shit. Like Harris English hits a drive. He just goes like, oh, let me hear it. Huh? Right.

Sorry, I can't hear you. I'm getting older. I can't hear you. What was that? Leave it to, leave it to J.T. He's a cool guy.

He knows what cool is. Yeah. It's like Bubba Watson, I feel like used to get caught doing that. Just like, yeah. Yeah, let's hear it. And it's just like, ugh. Yikes.

Save it for the greeks. But we wrote of Bryson just unleashes a fucking 410 yard drive and just does like the Hulk like oh it's just to the crowd the crowd goes crazy ripping their shirts off screaming this could be the new bracing image

that I've always wanted is him being just like an absolute meathead on the golf course just rip his fucking shirt just looking at everyone like holy fuck rip his shirt off but then have another American shirt on under

oh god yeah that's what I want to see All in American Hardo. He needs to wear like a bandana, drive a Harley Davidson to the course. I like it. Dude, I think, too, it's like 380 or something to the front edge of the first green. So people are like, is Bryce going to stand up there and just be an absolute hooligan meathead and try to rip one on to the first green? Has to. Has to.

Absolutely has to. It'd be awesome. But yeah, man, it's Ryder Cup week. It is outside of the Masters. This is the forgotten. fans, man, this is it. This is, and it's arguably better because you only get it every two years, this time every three years.

Whistling Straits is going to present phenomenal on TV. We're going to be there person overlooking, like I said, like Lake Michigan, some of these grandstands that they've got up. I mean, we were there in July with my brother and a couple of my buddies, like they were just putting them up. Some of these grandstands are like high, high on these dunes overlooking Lake Michigan. It is going to be spectacular venue for a Rider Cup. We had to read his lips there.

I think his, hopefully his recording picked it up. But I would say from a viewer standpoint, I think it's better than the Masters. I've just like, the Masters is very, you know, straighten your tie and be all, you know. Oh, settle down now. Settle down. Oh, I'm just saying. I'm just saying. I know.

Just don't get caught up in this week. We love the Master. Settle down. I love the Master. Okay. Don't start doing this. Settle down. No, it's not, you know.

It's the fucking. They're allowed to do that. We love that about it. I know. And there's a place. for that but every two years just watch yourself the fans going crazy like it's

more like I don't like the savagery of like rooting for your country and like going crazy I there is a place or meh but like I think for the most part like as a viewer especially if you're there like the experience is way

crazier they're different they're opposite actually but they're just like if you're there and you're rooting for your country like I don't think you can match that from a from a fan perspective. Well, from a fan perspective, there's a huge difference between, like, rooting to watch the Masters, you're like, if you go to the Augusta, you're crying because of the beauty, the history, and it's Augusta National. You never thought you'd be there. It's the most

beautiful place on Earth. You can't believe what you're seeing. So that alone is worth the purchase of the ticket. Like, that's why you go to the Masters. You're not rooting, unless it was Tiger Woods. Like, you're not, like, actively going there to see someone win. So there's a huge difference between watching a major and watching the rider cup for me like we're going to whistling straits to get a w like that's what trent and i are doing we're getting on a plane we're going to a golf course and we're going to root for us a day to bring home a win lift the cup like lift a trophy that for me is a huge difference in fandom we're like you i don't care how it gets there i don't care what the course looks like i don't care where they play how they play

as long as they get that win, that's all I'm rooting for. And that's the coolest part. Like, that's such a difference between your average major or tournament and golf. Like, you don't have any idea who's going to win. Right. At a normal tournament, there are, there's countless outcomes. Anybody who enters can win. This is, it's, there's two teams and one team is going to win.

And one of those teams is the country that we're from. And it's a whole different experience. It's going to be awesome. and then Riggs is not going to, he's not going to be part of it. I know what you guys are doing it right now. No, I get it. You guys are laying it on thick right now, as they say. Well, because it's fucking awesome.

Lying it on a little thick in the biz here. You love it. You went to France, like to root for USA. You fucking love this shit and you just can't experience it this year. It's tough, but, you know, we'll try and do our best without you. And we'll, you know, we'll try to really, really wrangle it in for the USA, all of our listeners that want us to be there and, like, wrangling a wind and bring it home. and bring them that USA content.

We'll do that for them. And then all your European fans will, you guys will just drink your tea and watch Ted Lassow. And that is what it is. You watch Ted Lassau. I do watch Ted Lasson. I do watch Ted Lasson.

I cried last night watching them except fucking awards, man. Yeah. It's a great show. I'm actually behind. I have to catch up. God, when Rebecca won her fucking Emmy, I was going crazy.

I was like, Jesus, this is awesome. I was there in Paris, and I will say it was a real shame because it was nothing to root for the whole time. We just got curbstomp by Europe. I, you know, like just the thought of, you know, Masters, obviously you get the green, you get the kind of green and yellow and the scoreboard and then even like British Open.

You get like Link's golf and you get that thought too of the giant like yellow leaderboard that they have. I'm very excited just for the colors of the leader, like when they go red or it goes blue or you get that feeling like you can sense it where it's like there's a lot of red up on the border. There's a lot of blue up on the board. Like that environment is. is something we never get. And we yearn for it and get so excited for it all year long. And match play is what we play. Like when we go out and play each other, we play match play.

When Frankie goes out and plays with his Long Island boys, like you play two on two match play. When I go home with my St. Louis boys, two on two match play. That's what we play. And it's like, yeah, that's good. And there's controversy over gimmies. This is it.

This is the one time that they fucking do that. And the stakes are incredibly high. And the fans are going to be going. nuts the weather looks great it's just like the course is good there's wind's gonna pick up it's gonna play tough at times it's gonna be birdies all over the place at times there's gonna be fucking stricker and potentially tiger and phil riding around in carts with their fucking headsets on and you're gonna have harrington and like his old guard that's been doing it forever that's big it's just like all of it's gonna be it's here it's just like happening like tomorrow

when we're at whistling straits when people are listening this show on tuesday we're just going to be a part of that like that's just going to be happening like that's just going to be happening all around guys are going to be out there in their little pods like practicing shots together you're going to have you know you're going to have a guy like Sergio who uses like a tailor made ball out there with Matthew Fitzpatrick who I think uses a titleless ball like they're trying to see if they can use each other's golf balls and like for alternate shot like all of that shit is about to just happen and it's awesome that's true so do they throw like sponsors out the window when it comes to that like does that matter they

Like, it's interesting how much they do or don't factor it into their pairings because, yeah, like, guys have to learn if they're going to be paired with somebody. They got to learn to hit their golf ball if they're going to do alternate shot. But also, there's like, Taylor made care if, like, I don't know, like, fucking Rory uses another ball. That's pretty interesting, like, that they're just like, like, what if, like, what if Rory makes a match winning putt with a titleist ball? It's just like, you know, it's just tough. Like, the footage is always there forever. He's just not, like he's just like a Callaway ball or something. She's like, oh, it's not Roar.

That's not what Roar he does. It's interesting. It is like, yeah, even like for us, if we were in a position like that, what would we do? It would be like swapping at each shot? I don't know what you do. I imagine they're not happy about it. You're quiet again. Mousy.

But the listeners heard it, which is good. I hope. Or maybe we just show them how bad it really is because us complainers got to be infuriating. he's got to be infuriating to them because they just hear it straight through. And then they also hear us complain over him talking. So I don't know what you're going to do. It's going to be a hell of an edit. It's going to be a hell of an edit.

We're just trying to battle through. There's too many things we got going on. Too many things. You're back, though. You think I should be nervous for the surgery that's coming up? You know, when you get, like, put under? I don't like that. Yeah.

You seen that movie with Hayden Christensen where he wakes up but doesn't wake up? I don't want to talk about that. Dude, they put him under, Frank, and then he, his consciousness, like, consciousness wakes up, but he, this is crazy. Be clear on what you're doing to a crazy person right now. This is bad, man. His consciousness wakes up, but he does it. So he can, like, hear all the doctors and the nurses, like, talking about what they're doing. And turns out his, like, wife or girl, he's really rich.

And his, like, wife or girlfriend was actually plod. the whole time to like kill him during the surgery so that she could like take all of his wealth and everything and this all happens just because he went under the you know under the knife as they say I can't believe you just said that

to Frankie Borrelli. I'm gonna ask him I'm gonna ask them when I get there be like am I is there a chance that I consciously wake up but don't physically wake up the guys would be like no yeah it's like a Hayden Christensen movie

movie oh no dude the movie's called awake. Oh my god, dude. I don't want to wake up while they have my arm cut open. You're going fully under. Yeah. Yeah. They had to, uh, they had to like check my neck size for the anesthesia. I was like, what the fuck's that about? And I was like, well, I didn't eat anything today, so my neck's a little

smaller than usual, but I'm thinking about eating a big dinner the night before and she's like, it doesn't, it's not going to change. I was like, okay. My neck fluctuates fat. That was my point.