Fore Play - Jack Nicklaus on Fore Play

Episode Date: September 24, 2020

Jack Nicklaus joins the show. Yes, the Golden Bear, with his 18 majors and 73 pga tour wins, sits down with Riggs to discuss distance issues in the current game, Tiger Woods chasing his records, how different the golf ball was in his day, how good his current golf game is and MUCH more. Then, the crew discusses Payne’s Valley and a potential HUGE interaction with Tiger!You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

Hey, 4Play listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. We got a big show. We have Jack Nicholas. There's really no explanation. There's no introduction needed. I actually said that when I interviewed him. I said, this is a man in the golf world who needs no introduction because he's Jack Nicholas. So he is on this show.

We're going to chat for a few minutes amongst ourselves beforehand about the entire situation and then there's about 20, 25 minutes with myself and Jack Nicholas. He's been brought up on this show a lot in a lot of different ways for a lot of different reasons, in a lot of different regards, you could argue. But the point is he's on the show. We get into a lot of stuff. We get into Tiger Woods. He has some comments about Tiger Woods that I think people will find interesting. He had a comment about his own career, had he known Tiger Woods was going to come along, that I thought was really, really interesting. So Jack Nichols is on this show.

We're here. Jake Bass and myself are live from Big Cedar Lodge and Missouri whole event on this show. We have myself, Frankie and Trent Lurch's Slingin' Drone somewhere. We are produced by Jake Bass and Brendan Jones. We're best in the business. They grind their asses off. So big thanks to those guys. Again, there's a lot to get to.

I know we say that in a lot of shows, but this one especially, Frankie's got kind of this cool guy hoodie on, which is throwing me off a little bit. He did kind of a whole buffet of bits where he was sitting at a long table earlier. Now he's just in the office. So, hello, gentlemen. Yeah, it's fall weather here in New York. So I figured I'd bring out my Aztec hoodie.

It makes me feel like I'm going to go roast some marshmallows tonight and sit by a fire and drink pumpkin spice lattes and pumpkin beer and it'd be a real basic bitch. But, you know, it's also one of those things where, like, I was looking for a hoodie. It's super comfortable and it's always just there and ready for me. And I know every time I wear it, it makes huge fucking. scene and everyone can't believe I'm wearing it. But I'll keep, I'll keep wearing this cool guy hoodie. You getting Jack Nicholas is outrageous,

the fact that he's on the same airways as us is insane. We've said horrible, not horrible things, but like pretty off color, right? Is that the term? I'd say, yeah,

I'd say borderline horrible, not fully horrible. Talking about him, die. Well, we've talked about his death. We've talked about his legacy. We've talked about his knees.

We've talked about his relationship with his wife and like the way that she has to bring him in from the fuck. from the boat when Tiger wins. We have a whole buffet of bits when it comes to Jack. We've always said that Jack is one of the greatest players of all time. One could argue that he has right now the greatest career of all time. I will never, no matter who comes on what show, I will never ever bend the knee to Jack Nicholas

and say that he is the greatest player of all time. That is Tiger Woods. He's proven that time and time and again. But Jack Nicholas is Jack Nicholas. Like for my dad's generation, like people of that generation, he is the God. Like Tiger came along and had to win them over. He's won over a ton of people.

but like Jack is the guy when it comes to that older generation. I think people in our generation should have respect for him. I think it's a little weird when like my friend Kyle, his favorite golfer of all times Jack Nicola. He never saw him play once in his entire life. It's almost like my friend Anthony's favorite baseball player is Mickey Mantle. He was literally like dead before he was born. So it's like crazy to me that he's your favorite baseball player.

But Jack Nicholas is Jack Nichols. I have the utmost respect for what he did in his career. I think he's great for the game. I cannot wait to listen to this podcast because it's surreal that we, he got like Ted Williams of baseball forgot. Like he's, he's the name. It's Jack Nicholas.

He's, you can only have respect for what he's done for the game. We can chirp him. We can say things about Tiger. It's all fun in games. At the end of the day, it's fucking Jack Nicholas. That's crazy.

That's crazy. Yeah. Look, what you've said is very true. We have, we have brought up Jack Nicholas on this show a lot. And I will say, I think if you follow what we do,

you get that it's a joke. Like us saying Jack's coming around the corner in a canoe because Tiger Woods is about to win the Masters and he's being summoned back into his home in the Bahamas to witness someone continuing their onslaught on his record is very funny. And I have had the longstanding theory, which I did not bring up in the interview,

where I think that if it gets really close, that Jack Nicholas will die before he sees Tiger Woods break his record. I don't, that's not me saying I want something bad to happen, not even close to that. I just, if you look at some of the ways that things have gone down with figures over the last decade, couple decades, like, I think that he would rather do that and that nature will find its way. And that that's just how things are going to go. That's not me saying I hope that this legend of the game, who I did say to his face, he has the greatest resume in the history of golf.

It's undisputable. Jack Nicholas is the greatest career ever. Longevity matters in sports. He clearly figured out longevity better than Tiger Woods to this point. He won 18 majors. Tiger has 15. That's how those guys measure themselves. He has 19 second place finishes in majors.

That's outrageous. He got 18 wins, 19 second places. I brought that up to his face. We talked about it. Jack Nicholas is probably most likely, unless something crazy happens with Tiger, where he's still able to win three or four more majors, Jack Nicholas will go down for centuries as the greatest career, as having performed the greatest career in the history of golf.

And we are Tiger Woods fans. I'm wearing a Tiger Woods hat at a course of Tiger Woods designed. Like, we're Tiger Woods guys. So that's always going to be the angle of the way that we approach the entire thing. thing. But when it comes down to it, my dad, your dad, Frankie, Trent, your dad, like, Jack Nicholas is their guy. And so to sit down an interview with him, which I'm going to get into the logistics of that before we get into the interview as well, but to sit down with him, like, I was shaking. You'll see in the first three, four minutes of the interview, I was pathetic. Like, I was

nervous. I couldn't get my questions across. I didn't really know what I was doing. And then I settled in. We got comfortable with each other and it went great. But like, it's Jack Nicholas. Like you said, that's Ted Williams. That's Michael. Jordan like that's that's that's that's LeBron fan sitting down with Michael Jordan and talking to him about his career and that's the coolest thing ever so the fact that jack nicholas gave us that time and answered our questions is so incredibly cool I couldn't have more respect for that man I hope that people get that we have that we joke on some level and then on another level we're pretty into golf and if they don't get that then they can go fuck themselves that's all true and I very much

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So it's a real damn, it's a bummer that we didn't all get to do it. If it weren't for COVID, we could have all been there. We could have all chatted with Jack. The way things went down, we had the Paines Valley Cup here in, in Missouri, Southern Missouri, my home state. And they had very limited passes, very limited media. There weren't many people here at all. And so we got a message a couple weeks ago that just said, hey, do you want to come cover?

We have one spot. And we reached, we fought with them and said, hey, we need, if I'm going to go, I need at least one person. We're going to have a producer here to film, edit, capture stuff, whatever. They said, fine. So we did COVID tests like a week in advance and passed all this other BS. And ultimately we had spots for two people, myself, Jake Bass. Now, when we did that, it was mostly just to like cover the event. We were going to walk around.

We're going to take pictures. We're going to post videos, promote the course. They love that in exchange for giving us lodging, covering our flights, all that stuff. Then once that was done, it was like, okay, well, let's reach out. Let's try to get interviews. Let's try to get interviews with Justin Rose, with Rory McElroy, with Tiger Woods, with Justin Thomas. So we submitted these plans to try to get these interviews. Roy McElroy's guide told us to fuck off.

People need to realize that, like, we've been around Rory at this point, many times and he refuses to do anything with us. And I don't think it's because we're a bunch of goobers and idiots and losers. I think he genuinely has like a disdain for Barstle sports or something's going on there that he just doesn't like our company. And that should really reflect on all of us as listeners, as followers, as people of Foreplay and Barstool, the fact that like when he sees a Barstool flag, he gets like eerie and weird and runs away. To me, that's a very strange thing, that Rory McElroy, a guy that we fucking love on this podcast, Trent would literally suck him dry if he could.

The fact that every time he sees us in a fucking setting, and not even us, like, just like, here's Barstool's coming. It could be fucking anyone that he wouldn't know who's coming. He doesn't know us personally. It could be Dave Portnoy's coming. It could be Big Cat's coming. He just says no to it all. It's crazy to me that Rory McElroy is skating free on just, like, hating us as much.

And like, no one realizes it. Well, that's all hearsay. We don't know that because, but the same thing was with Ricky Fowler, right? We thought Ricky fucking hated us. We thought he would never do anything with him and then Rick do with us. And then Riggs rugs rubbed shoulders with him. And he's like, hey, you know, we haven't talked, but would love to. So maybe Rory is the same way.

And yes, I do love Rory. I think he's just fantastic. So I can't turn my back on him just off of here, say on what, like, we sort of feel when we walk by him at golf tournaments. But if we get worried that he's not. They told the fuck off, Riggs. They ask, like, we asked to get him in an intimate setting. I mean, Jack Nicholas came on the show and with those stuff that we've seen.

You know, it's crazy to me. Rory McElroy, he's watching us go into his inner circle and interview for his friend. I mean, we're going to get to like what Tiger Woods says to Riggs. It's like crazy. He won't even interact with us. It's insane. Look, it's interesting. It's, at this point, I would say it's clearly a concerted, I don't really want anything to do with you guys' effort, which does suck because we're huge, Roy.

I've said on the show, I think Rory's probably, in terms of all round, well-rounded, I think he's the best star athlete in the world. Like, he is so good with the media. He's so candid. He's so honest. And he's the best in the game. Like, he's arguably, I mean, you go back and forth, world number one, whatever. He's got four majors.

It's been since 2014. But he's at his peak, maybe the best player of this generation. He's so good. He's a star. There's a reason he's got the giant Nike contract. There's a reason Tiger wanted him for the Payne's Valley Cup, that he was part of the match at Seminole. Like he's a star and he's also great.

Like he's so perceptive. He talks about the different books that he reads because he's trying to become a better person. He's a father. Like Rory's awesome, but I don't think he likes us. I think like Frankie and I walk by him at Wingfoot and he just ducks his head and walks right past us.

Like I think he makes a legitimate effort not to do anything. I'm going to refuse to turn on Rory until he literally spits in my face. Until he hawks a luggy right onto my face. forehead. I'm going to defend him on this podcast. Yeah, it's just like I think that he's been approached multiple times. It's like, hey, Barstall sports wants some time with you guys. And like, without even knowing, like what that means, he's just like, no. Like, and his people are like, no. Maybe it says people. Maybe it's his brand manager. Maybe it's whatever. But I've just been

around, we've been around now at these tournaments for like two full years being at like every major and every fucking corner of golf it feels like. And he looks us in the eyes when he has a chance and he just fucking, it was disgust walk spot. But all right. So continue. So Rory told you to fuck off and then what? I mean, I don't, you know, that was, Rory's guy basically, you know, I email his agent and stuff and he said,

you know, Roy's not going to have the time. He's booked. He's coming in and flying out. Fine. Justin Thomas, you know, it doesn't have the time. Tiger Woods.

I tried an angle to get Tiger Woods in the show. Like, you know, no, fine. Justin Rose, team's awesome. They're like, yes, I, you know, I played the angle of like, we really want to talk about the Rose Ladies series. which he did to kind of get women back into professional golf during COVID. And he was in and Rose was awesome.

So next Tuesday, we've got Justin Rose on the show for about 30 minutes. And he was great. He was smooth. He told phenomenal stories about Marion winning the U.S. Open. The stuff that he had like a local caddy from Marion for a few days that he worked with, who told him this incredible kind of poetic verse about the course of Marion where he's like, yeah, Marion is a, it's a theatrical play where, like, the middle six holes are a comedy and the lax six holes are a tragedy and the first three, whatever.

And he ended up, like, putting that into play during the open and thinking about that in his head because he started like four over. And he's like, oh, yeah, this is the part that's the tragedy or whatever and then got into it. It was amazing, the stuff that Justin Rose said. So we got him on the show. He's sneaky a giant, huh? Dude, you see him towering over me? Like, first of all, before we get to Rose towering over me,

did you see me dominating Jack Nicholas in that picture? Like, I'm like a foot taller than Jack Nick. Well, he's withering away. Yeah. You know what his biggest enemy is? It's not Tiger Woods, it's gravity. Right. Which I don't mean to say mean things about Jack.

We're not. In nowhere are we disparaging Mr. Nicholas, who's one of the greatest players of all time. Maybe the greatest player of all time. But he is 80. We're allowed to, we have to stop, like, I think Tiger Woods is the greatest golfer of all time. I'm just going to say it.

Like, I'm done tiptoeing around just because he's on the podcast. He's my guy. I'm a Tiger Woods guy. He's the greatest golfer of all time. I'm not going to fucking put him in different fucking categories. Whatever. Jack was incredible. Sure.

I'm a tiger guy. No one can get mad at me for being a Tiger Woods fan. Like I respect. He said you know it's Tiger Woods fan. I know. There's people listening that. They're going to be like, oh, well, the fucking career. It's like, no, I just think Tiger's the best golf remote.

It does. And he got in a bunch of bullshit for 10 years. At the time when he was playing golf, no one's better. Career two. When he was playing golf, no one was better. Yeah, I think Tiger Woods played the best golf that's ever been played. I don't think anybody would even dispute that. But I think that someone would come up and say, well, yeah, but that's not the game, right?

Like in order to accumulate the greatest career of all time, there are things that you need to do correctly and do well. And Jack Nicholas did those things better than anyone's ever done them. Right. Like it's not Jack Nicholas's fault that Tiger's life fucking spiraled out of control and he didn't win majors for like 11 years. Jack's like, no, I was winning majors during those years of my life. Not my fault. Other people couldn't figure out. I did the best.

So that's like when you get to that, sure. a couple year period, over a seven-year period, over the 2000, from late 99 to 2002, when Tiger Woods is winning major after major winning a bettosha. No one's ever played better golf. Tiger Woods played the best golf ever. But longevity is important, right? Like, Tom Brady was winning Super Bowls in his fucking 40s. Like, you don't just cut it off at 35 and be like, oh, who played the best football?

No, it's like, who's the greatest quarterback of all time? It's like, well, he's got six Super Bowl. Six. Like, that's longevity. That's being able to do it over decades. That's incredibly important. And Jack just did that. So it's just hard to argue that, like, 18 versus 50.

Tiger clearly cares about majors more than anybody cares about anything in the world. And one guy's got 18, one guy's got 15. I'm a tiger guy. I wore a fucking red mock neck polo to meet Jack Nicholas. But 18 versus 15. And that's just kind of what it is. Yeah, I mean, sure. I mean, he's like, whatever.

Tigers ended up being the top of PGA Tour wins. and I mean, it is what it is. Like, you can, there's ways that you can compute what is best, and then obviously you can take him second place finishes and all that stuff. My thing is just like, I feel like because he's on the show, we're tiptoeing around what we've said about him and, like, how we really feel. And I think, like, we're fucking Tiger Woods guys. I think, but I think we've been more honest about the things we've said about Jack

than I thought we were going to be on the show with Jack Nicholas on the show. True, true, true, true. Yeah. That is true. We came clean about all the, basically the bad things we've said about it, which I think is, you know,

that's good on us. We make jokes. We make jokes. We are Tiger guys. I said to Jack Nicholas's face. He's sitting right in front of me. I said, look, we're huge Tiger Woods fans.

And you can't tell me that you're rooting for Tiger to win tournaments when he's coming after your record. Like there's no way. And he very honestly says, of course, I don't want people to break my records. He says something about

Tiger Woods, if he would have known Tiger Woods is coming along, he makes a comment about that that I thought was absolutely fascinating. So let's get into Jack Nicholas. Let's put Mr. Nicholas on this show so that people can hear it. We have again, we've talked about him a lot. We like to make people laugh. We say some vulgar things from time to time. I was extremely respectful with Mr. Nicholas. He was awesome with me. He was willing to do anything that we asked. I saw him later in the day and he rode by and he was like oh that's sam right there because he and obviously i introduced myself like hi i'm sam was only nice to meet you i'm not going to be like here's my nickname uh and he remembered that so he could not have been nicer he could not have been more of a

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Let's welcome to the show. Thanks. Appreciate it. So we're here at Big Cedar, we're in Missouri. I'm a St. Louis native, so I'm a Missouri guy. I know you've got some ties here with the design and with Big Cedar. Talk about how this place, you know, has impacted you and how you've been able to impact this place. Well, I think it started, I guess I don't know, over 20 years ago when Johnny called and wanted to do a par three course.

And he just said he was going to call it the top of the rock. and so, you know, we did the par three course. I didn't pay a whole lot of attention to it at the time. And it was like, you know, what do you do with a par three course on a rock? You know, you sort of put it in and you do it. But since that time, you know, we've probably spent, I don't know, a million dollars doing the golf course since then he's probably put $20 million into it and landscaping lakes and rock work and beautification.

And it bears no resemblance to what I'm. I did. But that's Johnny, and that's okay. But then he started adding into it and started adding other golf courses. So he started doing some things. And of course, today they're opening up Tiger's course in Paines Valley. And he's building himself a golf resort in the middle of Missouri. It's amazing. So it's funny because the part three is now are sort of all the craze. At Pinehurst, they've got the cradle and the bandons and the cabots of the world are adding part three courses. So how do you feel kind of about this, you know, this push to get more fun, enjoyable, simple, shorter courses? How do you feel about that in terms of results? I think you probably should

do golf courses for 99% of the people that are going to play them 95, 9% at the time, rather than the 1% and the 1%. You know, it depends on what you're doing a golf course for. And in Johnny's case, he's still had golf courses here, for people to come and enjoy and have fun. So they shouldn't be difficult golf courses. They're not holding tournaments on them. And if they do hold a tournament. What do we hold the legends here? Who really cares what us legends shot?

Nobody cares. And so, you know, it's not a national open or something. It's certainly not a wing foot. That's for sure. So I sort of like, you know, most of the charges that I've had to do golf. courses, and courses you've heard about from me, and then golf courses that people wanted to have a championship course. I mean, I go through my resume and I started, I mean, the first golf course I did with

Pete Dye was Harbor Town. Yeah. Had a tournament on it ever since. Then we came along with, I did a golf course with this with your head called Muirfield Village. You may have heard of it. Oh, yeah. And then the first golf course I did it by myself was Glen Abbey. And then I followed Glen Abbey up with Shoal Creek.

I followed Shoe Creek up with Annandale, which they played tournament in Jackson, Mississippi for years on. And I followed that up with Castle Pines. And I said, everybody said, well, you know, Jack does golfers that are really tough. Well, that's all I was asked to do. Right. And I was asked to do tournament golf courses. And so, but I would say if you start looking at that, I've done 320 golf courses roughly myself now. And I would say that 100 and probably less than 100 of them are ones that were played for tournament golf.

The rest of them should be golf courses that are enjoyable, fun, and be able to, for people to come and enjoy and have fun and enjoy the game of golf. So you mentioned Wingfoot. We obviously had Bryson DeShambeau came out. He's done the changing, the transformation of his body, picking up 20, 25 yards overall. You've been outspoken on distance. You mentioned, I believe, earlier this year, that it's 43 years ago or so

that you first brought it up to the USGA. What does Bryson going out and, and shooting six under at a course like wing foot, playing bomb and gouge to a T and pulling it off on the biggest stage, what does that do to you? And what are your thoughts on that? It doesn't do anything to me. It just validates what I've been talking about for 43 years. Although, you know, wing foot was pretty difficult driving golf course.

It was pretty narrow. I think they had a lot of angles on the T shots, which meant the ball had to be curving to keep it in the fair way here it ran on through. the greens of wingfoot you know they a little bit I kept looking for a windmill you know it was not that you know

that played wing foot I like wingfoot but it's a golf course that they got the green so fast that you could hit it up and it would run back 40 feet or 50 feet I remember playing there in 74 I hit it in about 20 feet behind the first and I played a beautiful second shot

and I put it right off the green four put it to the first green three putt of the second green three putted the third green and I'm sitting there and said wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, here you're up four over par after three holes and just getting started. So I struggled with weight with a little bit

but it's, you know, it was a good test but the thing about Bryson, which is what you're talking about, is that he took what he thought was a right thing to do it for himself, build his body, he felt like strength was going to be his issue, he felt like if he could hit it long and strong enough to play out of the rough, it didn't really make any difference to what he played in the fairway.

And so, and did it work? Yeah, he won the U.S. Open. I go back about probably 10 years ago and maybe, that's probably about what it was. And we looked at the number one, two, and three on the money list where I think were Tiger, Phil Mickelson, and V.J. Singh. they were like 111th, 112th, and 113th, and 13th, and a fairway's hit. I mean, I said, is that really what the game's all about?

But if it works for you, then you take advantage of it and do it. It worked for him. He took advantage of it. Now, what about the golf ball? The USGA, I think the USDA will, if they've said that they're going to do something next year, they've talked about it. Because of COVID, they didn't do it. anything this year. And I think they'll bring the ball back. Now, how that will relate to clubs,

how that will relate to how the game is played, we don't know, because we don't know what they're going to do. But I think they need to bring the golf ball back, only for the simple reason. The golf course is running out of land. Right. We just don't have, we just don't have enough yardage. I mean, once you get to 77, 7,800 yards, and they're still too short, then you're having a problem. So we need, the only place to go is to change the golf ball. and that's what we need to do. It's very interesting to me to hear from you kind of the difference in the game between your heyday, your peak, and now in terms of shaping shots,

because now they've got the tracer on everything. So for us, from my generation, we're used to watching that, and they show it, and the guys pretty much just hit the damn thing straight. They very rarely move it much. They hit along, and they hit it straight. How much different, you know, was it for you guys? How much different would those shot tracers look in your day if they had? Well, I was a, I like to shape, I like to shake my shots, all of them.

Nobody in my day played a straight shot. I always, I always took the philosophy. If you aimed the ball at the pin and you didn't know whether you were going to hook it or slice it, and you slice it 20 feet or hooked it 20 feet, you're, you know, you're 20 feet away. But if you knew you were going to fade it and you could aim 20 feet left of the hole and you start fading it, and you're going to be every foot you faded it, you'd be closer to the hole. And you weren't going to cut it more than 20, 25 feet. So that's the way we played.

But I never aimed the ball in a hole today. They did aim at the hole because the golf ball will go straight. It never went straight. We're right. If you took the shot tracer that they used, you'd see our golf balls go hook here, fade here. But that's the way we played. We had to play that way because the ball, you couldn't, could count on the ball going straight.

Plus, it's like the golf balls were terrible. Right. And I played with McGregor golf balls in those days. And the USJ kept telling me, he says, Jack, you need to change ball. I said, your ball's not very good. I said, well, you know, it's my ball. And so I just went ahead and used it. Right.

You know, they said, well, you wouldn't want more majors if you had a better ball. Maybe I would have won more majors, but maybe I wouldn't have too. But the golf ball, you had to try to force it to go one way, and that's the way you had to play. and the guys don't do that today. The golf balls are really good, and the equipment's really good, and it's, you know, you could hit a ball, and it'll go straight. It would be really interesting to see these guys play with that,

you know, the same type of ball that you guys played, the same equipment, and see that difference, because I do think on a level it gets boring watching, just hit them straight, hit it far, it's impressive, don't get me wrong, I'm a pretty bad golfer, so seeing them do that, it's impressive, but on the highest level, you know, it does lose some of that artistry and watching some of the old school clips of guys shaping it and, you know, Mr. Palmer with the helicopter finish and all the different things to try to shape it.

Well, Patrick Reed tried to copy that. Yeah, big time. But the, you know, but you're talking about interesting to watch, but it was by necessity not because they wanted to. If I could have had a golf ball that could have hit straight, I would have probably hit straight too. but the bull wouldn't go straight. So that was sort of the point.

So we're here now. It's Paines Valley, the new course, Tiger's first publicly designed course. I want to talk a little bit about just kind of your thoughts on Tiger. On our show, you know, with our generation, we've grown up big Tiger Woods fans. But, you know, my dad's the biggest Jack Nicholas fan in the world. And we have a lot of fun with it of kind of comparing the two. So I'm very curious about sort of your thoughts of Tiger. now and coming back because you're such a competitive person you couldn't have 18 major 73 wins

the best record of all time without being that competitive does part of you you know when he is coming back is part of you think like oh shucks like man my record it was looking really good is there any part of you that thinks that i don't really worry about that you know i i did what i did i probably you know if i had done tiger was going to come along got to play more and probably tried to win more. But, you know, I lost my interest about age 40. I mean, I had lightning in a bottle at age 46, but basically I lost my interest about age 40 because I do my skills were going the other way. I wanted to watch my kids play football and basketball. And, you know, I was doing other things. And so that's okay. But I see Tiger come

along. And I'm, I, the, the, the, uh, the, the, uh, the, the, uh, the, the, the, uh, setbacks that he's had physically, uh, you know, he's, I think he's done fantastic. When he came back and won the master's a year ago, I was very happy for him. And, uh, you know, do I want anybody to break my record? Of course I don't. Right. But if he does, he does. That's all right. That's not that big a deal. Uh, and, you know, it won't, by him breaking my record, diminish mine. It would be, it would be fine. But, you know, Tiger's got, Tiger's 44 now. He's, I don't think he's, I don't think he's probably feeling great. My understanding is that he's hurting. And, you know, we all hurt. I don't know how much he's hurting, how much he,

how much he wants to play, how much she wants to continue to go after it. You know, we'll find, when he goes to Augusta here at about, oh, you know, what, six weeks time. he'll find out how hard he's worked to prepare himself for it. He's lost a lot of weight. Tiger's done but about 165 pounds right now. I've never seen him that line. He's always been 200 pounds or over. And I don't know where that's, and I haven't really talked to him.

I'm here sort of guessing myself. He looks, I see him wince every once in a while when he hits shots. and I see him not as strong as he was. Maybe that's because he can't get in the gym because he hurts. I don't know. I really don't know. I'm just guessing. But, you know, Tiger is a hell of a competitor.

He's a heck of a golfer. His work ethic's been great. He's been great for the game of golf. He's as talented guy and has ever played the game. and maybe the most talented, I don't know, including myself, that's fine. But things will play out. They'll play out in the next few years.

We'll see if Tiger breaks my record or not breaks my record. But, you know, I don't know. I'm interested in watching it. I just find it very fascinating. I find it very fascinating hearing you discuss it. And to me, I've always thought, you know, he's Jack Nicholas. He don't go out and win.

18 majors and not care, of course, about your, about the record. That's why you play. You play to win. You play to rack them up. You play to, you know, play the best when it matters the most. And you did that more than anyone. So I've always just thought, you know, of course he pays attention. Of course, it's on his mind. And so it's, I think it's really cool to hear you say that, especially the comment about, you know, if I knew Tiger was going to come along because your record, the 18 was so unobtainable. And then here comes someone that people were saying X, Y, or Z. But Another thing is the 19 times runner-up in majors. I feel like I hear people bring that up all the time.

And to folks that haven't heard it before, that's such a staggering number. How proud are you of that number? Well, you know, I don't know how many thirds I had. I was probably 10 times or something like a third. So, you know, of those tournaments that I didn't win, you know, I basically tried to put myself in a position to win. I was never a guy that went out on a limb and had 265 yards over water

to put it on a green and needed to win a golf trip. If I had that, I'd laid it up and played it a little bit more conservative because I think it was a smarter play to do. And if that wasn't good enough, that I just got beat. But I always tried to play smart and not do dumb things to cost myself tournaments. Right.

And so, you know, as I played through the years, all I ever tried to do was be able to prepare myself the best I could, try to play the best I could what I played, and gave it all my, gave it my number one effort. If I could do that, excuse me. Excuse me. And if I did that, then I put the score I put on the board was the best I could do that week. I was never embarrassed by it because if somebody just played better and beat me, you know, well done.

Shake hands with him and put a smile on your face and move on. And I did that a few times. And so, but I also, I also didn't win 18 times and have no times where I was close. You know, I always put myself in a position to win. And I know that Tiger played very much the same time. Once Tiger got the lead,

Tiger never let anybody catch him what he went, 12 in a row or something like that. Before he lost one when he was leading. I guess Yiyang was the first time he lost. And he did the same thing. He looked at the leaderboard, and he saw Jones Smith and Young or whatever it might be on the leaderboard and says, they're going to beat me.

And that's what I looked at. But if I saw Palmer player, Casper, Watson, Trevino on the leaderboard, I knew I better play. Which one of those names scared you the most? I don't know. I think Watson and Trevino were probably two guys that gave me the most trouble down the stretch. They were both terrific competitors. Gary and I never really went head-to-head too much coming down the stretch.

And Arnold and I, frankly, after Oakmont, Arnold and I never really came down the stretch very often, a couple times after that. But it was, you know, and so I think it's hard to compare because, I say, you know, Arnold was 10 years older than I am. And he really wasn't, he wasn't really that much in contention past, last term he won, he was in 1973. Last major he won was 1964. I mean, he was 34 years old when he won his last major. Right. And Player, I mean, Gary Player has had a long. career and a great career. What a, what an athlete. What a, what a, what a, uh, an interesting guy.

Saw him out there stretching that earlier today. He's, he's a great guy. He's, he's, he's my favorite. I mean, I love Gary Player. He just, he's wonderful. And, uh, he's, he's good. But, you know, Gary, Gary and I never seem to come in the same tournament. But now, Trevino and I came down and stretch several times. And Watson and I came down to stretch. And frankly, they got me probably more that I got them. But, you know, I guess the truth been known, I guess I probably got them a few times, too. I think so. So we've, we had a funny question. One of the, one of our listeners submitted to us and said, you know, Jack Nicholas today versus one of you guys, which there's four of us on the show, we got a couple guys that are around like six handicaps. So how good is your game today? Because I said

we would get killed. No, I'm, I'm, I'm, if I break 80 today, I've played very well. I'm about a six or seven. Okay. That's interesting. Yeah, it'd be, I feel like building. As a matter of fact, right Now if I played, I'd probably be about a 15. I've got a bad shoulder in my arm. I've partially pulled my bicep tendon. And it doesn't feel good right now. So you see me up out here to play this little part three. We're going to do a little while a little later.

That's 142 yards or whatever is. That'll be probably about a hybrid for me. I'm not going to hurt myself. In your day, just so people can see the difference, how far did a stock seven iron go in your day? seven iron for me was 100 and

about 145 to 155 yards It's amazing now I saw I think on Sunday 24 I think the 13th hole And I think Bryson hit like an 8 iron They're not playing a 7 iron We're not playing the same golf club

Right As my golf clubs were To start off with my golf clubs were all About half an inch shorter than standard I did that that one. My lofts, in other words, my nine iron loft was a 47 degrees. That guy's pitching wedges today are 45 to 47.

So you get a guy today that's got a pitching wedge with 45 degrees and he's got three inches longer shaft on it. He's basically got a six iron. Right. from what I played. And it's just, it's just, I knew it happened back, I think Hogan Company one year sort of started it. They did forgings, and they came in with a set of forgings

that were all, they all came in at C8 or C9. They had it made overseas. Couldn't sell them. And they didn't know what to do with them. And somebody came up with the idea, said, why do we add three quarters of an inch in the shaft? and that'll bring the swing up to about D3. They added three quarters of an inch, sold the clubs, people started in their five iron

10, 15 yards further because it had basically instead of a five iron shaft, it had a three iron shaft. And so they said, man, look how far I could hit my five iron. Man, those Hogan's had really great. I got to get myself another side of those hos. And then they came up with the idea the next year and said, well, you know, why instead put a five in the bottom of the club? Why don't we just put a six on that club?

Right. And all of a sudden, now we've got a five-iron, now we've got an old five-iron with a three-iron shaft, with a six-arm the bottom of it. And that's what the guys, that's what's happened. So the guys have got clubs that just don't match up to what we played with. Right. Well, Mr. Jack, Nicholas, it was a pleasure. I know you've delivered countless, countless memories for tons of golf fans all over the place.

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Jack Nicholas on the podcast. It's interesting. So I had this plan that I'd come up with with the gang, with the crew, going into the Nicholas interview. Now, obviously you heard that, folks. You just listened, 20, 25 minutes, whatever it was, nothing but class. I'm not going to be out there and trying to like be gotcha journalism, whatever. It's Mr. Jack Nicholas.

I did ask a question about, hey, when Tiger Woods is, you know, making a run in a major championship, how do you feel about that? How do you feel? He did go pretty in depth about like Tiger doesn't look healthy. And he kind of took some shots at Tiger, which I completely respect. And we have dissected every comment Jack's ever made on this show about Tiger Woods' game, about his health. Are there mind games being played? I'm sure there are.

He has won 18 majors. He's got the 73 men. He's got 19 second play. Like, there's a reason this man is always up there when he was able to play when he was young, when he was in his peak, when in his prime, because he's the competitive savage who wanted to win as many tournaments, as many majors as possible. And when you have a man, while Jack Nicholas is in his 80s now, and he's obviously not rooting for his record to be broken, him making those types of comments. In a way that Frankie Borelli kind of loves Ian Poulter, I love it.

I respect the hell out of it. I'm like, yeah, Tiger, it's not going to be easy. It looks like his back's hurting. Like, that type of shit, I think is genuinely funny. I respect it. I respect that he's, like, trying to intercept into Tiger's brain that he's not healthy enough to win three more majors. As a Tiger guy, clearly I'm not going to accept it.

I think Tiger Woods yesterday at the Paines Valley Cup, even if he was a little feeling a little down, a little hurt, whatever, like was still out there making fucking Bertie's, him in JT.1. So I'm not worried about that. But there was a funny, funny, funny side story happening where I was communicating with you guys about, hey, I'm doing this interview with Jack Nicholas. You're like, how's it going to go?

What's your approach going to be? we've really said some stuff about Jack Nicholas. And we came up with the idea and the plan of I have with me the red tiger mock neck. Like you never know when Tiger is going to be winning a tournament. So I need to have that red mock neck ready for that Sunday. So I have it with me on the road. And it was like, you need to wear the red mock neck with black pants and a black hat and just take a picture and interview Jack Nicholas with the red mock neck on.

And I was a little bit hesitant about it, obviously. Like, here I am. Imagine myself three or four years ago as a normal person. And I'm going to get to interview and talk to and take photos with Jack Nicholas. And I'm going to enter that arena with fucking, right, I'm going to enter that arena with Michael Jordan wearing a LeBron James, like 23 jersey on my back. Like, that's pretty balzy. I mean, I can't imagine how nerve-wracking it was for you.

you like doing the mental gymnastics trying to figure out whether you're going to do it or not. Because myself at home, and I know Frankie probably felt the same way, like we were waiting to find out what you were going to do. Like we were texting all day in the group chat. Like, what are you thinking? Are you going to wear it? What are you going to do? What's the plan?

Give us an answer. We want an answer right now. And it sounds like you didn't have an answer made up in your head until the last moment. I didn't. And what I ended up coming up with was it was quarter zip weather. So I went into the bathroom like 20 minutes before the interview. I changed from my polo that I wore to interview Justin Rose into the red mock neck and then I put the quarters of it back on so that I had options, right?

I could layer down and just kind of feel the situation out. And what I thought was if the interview goes well, which I was confident it would, he'll see that I'm not out to like be a buffoon and we're not going to do anything crazy, then he'll be confident. And afterwards, I'm going to say, hey, is it cool if we take this photo and I'll take the quarters of off and I'll have the red mock neck on? well, little did any of us know that Mr. Jack Nicholas, who is the ultimate competitor and always going to be a step ahead,

which I never foresaw, showed up in a fucking red polo and a black vest. And I mean, it's just the ultimate Sunday tiger outfit. Like, I mean, I was, we were all waiting for the picture because you had decided, you said, I have the mock neck on. And then now we're just waiting for the interview to happen and the picture to come through the group chat. And it comes through and I'm ready. I'm ready to be like, let's this.

We're the tiger guys. And I see Jack Nicholas wearing a red polo and a black vest. And I said it to you in the chat. I was like he ate mild view. He b-ravited you. He saw that what was coming, whether, you know, consciously or subconsciously. And he put on a red and black outfit, which I've never seen him wear. He's always, always wearing that yellowish gold.

old polo. He, I couldn't tell you the last time I didn't see him in that yellow. He's never worn red and black, ever. Ever. Crazy. Like, I didn't think about it when I, when I took the photo, I was so giddy and I'm focused on the interview. I want to ask the right questions.

We take the photo. I thought it went well. I'm all excited. I'm texting pictures to my dad. Like, I interviewed Jack Nicholas. I'm texting him to you guys. And then transfer's response is like, didn't see it coming where he wore the red and black.

and I looked at the photo, like, I look like a child. Like, I look like a total loser child. And I thought, like, I can't put this photo on the internet. What it ended up looking like was, and what was supposed to be, you being like, I'm the tiger guy, you're Jack Nicholas, this is my stance. It was almost like, we're all tiger. Like, we're all paying homage to Tiger at his golf course right now. And it just didn't translate the way we thought it was.

Yeah, it didn't work. It just, it was a miss. Like, he totally. miffed. He had like a missile defense system up before I even knew we were at battle. And I tried to send this cool missile right across Jack Nicholas' fucking bow about Tiger. I'm such a tiger guy. And I thought Tiger's going to see the photo. He's going to love it. It's going to go viral. Portnoy's going to retweet it. Here's fucking rigs. The four plate guys representing in their tiger outfit right in mist. And he just thwarted it in such as,

he's got a little smirk on his face of like, yeah, nice try, dude. And I'm just, I look like a child. So I didn't even put that one out. I put the photo out of me in one of our cool Peter Moore, our quarters of us. But like, I had the cool plan, and it just, it just didn't work. And he dominated me. And there's really no other way to say it. Dude, it honestly makes me think he's some sort of mastermind.

Like, I, obviously, we all respect him and we talk about before the interview and all that. But it made me, like, he, like, I shed shivers down my spine. So like what is what sort of brain is he working with where he wears black and red for maybe the first time in his entire life on the day where Riggs is trying to get one over on him by wearing the Tiger Mock neck? Like I really had to sit down and take a few deep breaths and like we're dealing with something that we didn't quite realize we were dealing with. It's next level shit. It's really next level shit. He always wears. I'm looking at pictures of him and like maybe like he'll wear like different variations.

of red and white and like he'll always wear like a red vest, the yellow underneath. Like always a hint of yellow in there. Maybe one time he's worn this outfit if I go on page like 19 of Google images. But it's just crazy. He pulls it out. It's like 80 years. He's never worn this outfit. Right.

It's crazy to me that he pulls that out for this tournament at Tiger's fucking golf course. It's almost like I can wear these colors too. Like boy, like you know, I mean like this is like I can fucking wear these colors too. You don't own these colors. I'm going to wear them to your own golf course. your own golf a bit and I'm going to fucking dominate you. That's a tough fucking loss for us.

It's a huge loss for us. Another win for Jack. It sucked. It was, when I saw the picture, I was completely devastated. Like, my excitement level,

I couldn't wait to show off to you guys that I did it, right? Like, I stood next to Jack Nicholas. I took a photograph. I wore the outfit. We had been talking about it for days. And then it came through,

and I just was like, oh, no. He just won. Like, it was. It was another, it was like his 19th major was accumulated in that moment. And it sucked.

And so I haven't even put the picture out. I just wanted to be deleted that I was standing next to Jack Nicholas in a red mock neck. And he also was just wearing the same outfit that I was wearing. It sucks. I still, and I just can't believe that that happened. I really can't. It's really something. Yeah.

Fuck. It sucks. I didn't see it. Because that was, and you already went over a little bit, but that was going to be a moment in time, a moment on the internet, a moment for the four-play crew, where all the shit we have talked,

and obviously Riggs is going to be respectful during the interview. We're not assholes. Like, we're really not assholes. So you're going to be nice in the interview. You're going to ask the right questions, appropriate question, but you've got to throw in a little bit of something that's going to be like,

this is where we stand. And it was going to be a huge moment for the show, a picture we were going to look at forever, and he just completely, he just completely thwarted it. It was so perfect. It was so subtle, right? Like, I didn't even have to be,

I didn't have to be outspoken about my, our Tiger fandom in the interview. I just, I just had to wear the shirt and it was going to speak volumes. The picture was going to be iconic. Like, here he is in this moment, with Jack, and he's got the shirt on,

and he just thwarted it so simply. It was so easy for him to defeat us. It's like, it killed me. And so that's it. I don't really know what else I can say anything about the shirt. Was he like, oh, that's a, that's a shirt? Or did you say something to him about it or anything? Yeah, I said, like, so I took the first photo with the quarter zip on.

Okay. And I said, hey, I'm going to actually, I'm going to pull this off. I got a little shirt underneath. You might get a kick out of. And I took it off and he saw the shirt. And he just kind of laughed. And he was like, oh, yeah, Tiger guy. I don't even remember what he said, but it was a total, like, non-issue.

He didn't care. He's like, yeah, sure. And he took the photo. and then that was pretty much it. And then he shook hand. We talked about even the golf swing for a second because he was talking with Mr. Gary player out in the range before we did the interview.

And I kind of brought that up. And he was showing me, he's like, yeah, I got a little rotator cuff issue when I was working with Gary on this and he still hits the ball. So we were just like shooting the shit about golf for a couple minutes afterwards. And that was it.

And I couldn't wait to see the photo. And then when I saw it, I knew. I was like, no wonder he was so comfortable. He knew he had just. And I get. Yes, today, from his vantage point, he's like, I got 18. That guy's got 15. I'm still number one.

So you can have a little red shirt and you can love little Tiger Woods. But at the end of the day, I'm Jack Nicholas, and I got the most major. So you play whatever fucking shirt you want. That was it. That was pretty much it. So that was tough. And then the other thing that happened was a couple things. The Justin Rose interview.

So Justin Rose, great guy. I talked a little bit about earlier in the show. The interview is coming out Tuesday. He was really, really good. I think people were going to love it. Justin Rowe's interview. So we sit down and this whole thing, right, it's relatively makeshift event. I mean, Paines Valley, which is Tigers course here in Southern Missouri, is not made for TV events, right?

It's a resort. It's for resort guests. So they got a clubhouse here. It's a really nice clubhouse. But it's not the biggest venue of all times. So they've got like a media center. They've got a press conference area. They've got a players lounge.

And then in order to do interviews, they had a. set up in the locker room over here, which is very fair. But the locker room has obviously urinals and bathrooms or people go to the restroom. So the only area they could set up interviews in that would be like in a confined space was in the locker room, which is right next to the urinals. And so they set the whole thing up. They're trying to monitor the door a little bit, but we're just getting going. And it's a very professional setting. You'll see the video. You'll see the audio. Or you'll hear the audio. It's really, really solid set up, whatever. but right when we get ready to go,

Justin Rose sits down. I meet him. Hello. Hi, how are you? This is Barcel. It's kind of what we do. We're casual. We're going to have a fun chat about golf,

blah, blah, blah. Right when we sit down to the microphones, I hear door open. Somebody walks in. And Justin Rose just goes like, oh, T-dubs, what up? And Tiger Woods walks in to the bathroom right behind me to take a piss. So we're getting ready to start.

the podcast. And Tiger Woods is just maybe, I don't know, eight feet away from me, just pissing. And I didn't really, like, I didn't know what was going on because it's behind me. So I'm, eventually I'm just like, I have to watch this. Like, Tiger, like, I have to watch. I'm not looking at, like, you can't see, but like, he's there. I have to look around. So Tiger's just peeing. And Justin Rose just makes a comment of like, we're like trying to do the show.

And Tiger's just pissing over there. And I was like, yeah. And honestly, at this moment, this is when everyone that's ready on the production side is like, all right, we need a clap. We're getting ready to begin. And I'm like, no, like, we can't begin. Tiger's, like, his dicks out. He's just peeing right behind us.

Like, what do you mean? We're going to begin the interview. And so this just happens. Tiger pees. And at one point, Rose is like, yeah, like T-Dub's just fisting it. And Tiger's like, that's like, that's right, baby. And he's just like being behind us. And I didn't, I just didn't know what to do.

It was so overwhelming. And so, but I just didn't expect it at all. And then. How could you? How could you expect it? What did the stream sound like? I could. I don't know.

Like it was so, I'm, I trained my brain to begin to interview Justin Rose. So I'm thinking like, question line. What am I going to ask him? What do I want to get into? Here's, he's nice guy. He's tall as fuck. Holy cow. And then my whole,

I was just throwing off because Tyre was just peeing behind us. It was weird, man. And then we had another incident where later in the day, this is maybe an hour later, someone else was interviewing. I think Justin Thomas was interviewing in the bathroom. So they're trying to outside the restroom keep people from coming in because when someone comes in,

they use the restroom. they flush. It obviously affects the audio and it's not good with the interviews. So they're keeping people out of the bathroom during the actual interviews. And I go down to try to go to the restroom and I'm talking to the guy at the door. I'm a little rattled because I'm like, dude, I have to go to the bathroom. I've been in an hour. I need to go to the bathroom.

What's going on? So you can't go into the bathroom. Justin Thomas is in there. Like, okay. So I'm standing outside the restroom. He's like, it'll only be a couple minutes. And then Tiger Woods comes over to go to the restroom. This is like an hour later.

And he goes in the door. And the guy turns Tiger down at the door. And what? Tiger, I'm actually like chatting with Robbie Mac at the time. So then Robbie Mac goes into like, I need to figure it out mode. And he goes on assignment and like disappears for a second. Tiger walks over, looks up the stairs and is like, is there a bathroom upstairs? And now he's standing no close to my computer is to me right now.

Like he's standing right in front of my face. And I'm like, I and I finally muster up like, hey, Tiger, what's up? up it's rigs for busser and right when i go to speak he says again like is there a bathroom oh god dude he like doesn't hear me and he's standing right in front of my face and i'm like can we just can we take a can we take a two minute courage just like i need to get a water or something i just need i just need to take a beat because imagining that moment for you where you're just like oh my god i need like mastering of that courage takes So much. So much. I finally said something. In the split second I said something, he just spoke over me to like the staircase. So no one didn't hear me. And so now I'm standing at Jake's right next to me. And I'm like, oh, no. What do I, what do I do? And then he he kind of realizes nothing's going on with the staircase. And he looks back at me. And then he just goes, Rigsie, what's up, man? And give me a fist,

bump. And I, like, no one's around. Like, Robbie's not around to, like, whisper in his ear. That's Briggs. Like, he just said that. And gives me a little fist bump. And I said, hey, man, like, great to see you. This course looks insane. And he goes, it's fucking awesome, isn't it? I was like, yeah, it's great. And he's like, thanks for it coming. And then he walked back, went into the bathroom and that was the last time I talked to him for the day. But there was a moment where I was hanging in complete limbo and I almost just ran and jumped off the cliff over here. Correct. When I finally had decided to speak to him. Holy shit, man. The fact that he says Riggs is insane. I'd pay a shit ton of money to have him say, Frankie, like, what's up, baby? Like, something like that.

Like, come on, man. This is Tiger fucking Woods. At Tiger fucking Woods is golf course. He is so fucking cool, man. Like only he can make that moment so fucking memorable like that, like talking over you, rattling you and then all of a sudden like coming back and saving your, I mean, saving your life, really, because it was over if you just walked away. Your name is right up his alley where he puts a why on everything. You know, right. You have a prime time name for him to be like, what's up, Rigsie? I bet he loves that.

Dude, Sanzi, like he says that shit nonstop. So I wasn't surprised that he kind of did it. I was stunned that he knew unprompted. I actually, I had to say to Jake, I go, did you hear the same thing that I heard? Like, when you spoke up and he talked over, did you say the word rigs out loud? I think so.

Do you remember Jake? Oh, Jake's working on something. He's editing something. I think, I think I did. But I'm not 100%. Like, because it could have been accepted his brain. He just heard the word rings.

And then he's like, oh, Rigsie, what's up? Like, that's the only thing I'm thinking because it's, we're trying to dissect the whole thing here. And we have talked about on this podcast, likely at length. I think maybe it was from the gallery where somebody emailed in like, if Tiger saw you again out in the wild without Robbie Mac, would he remember you guys from Pebble? And I don't remember what we all said, but I feel like the over, you know, I feel like pretty, it was no.

The answer was no. So it's an interesting question. I would say 40% now that I think about it, 40% that I didn't say it. I think I just said, like, Tiger, what's up, man? Or something like that. But I could have said, like, Rick's from, but that would be a mouthful.

I don't know. I don't know. Get Jake over here. What's the editing on the fucking presidential election or something? Like, come on, get him over here. Let me hear him. He was there. This is crazy.

How important is he? You got to wait. All right. We got a question. Jake's coming over here. So we're going to ask. Jake, so you're standing right next to me when we talked to Tiger yesterday. Did I say in the moment when he spoke over me, did I say Riggs from Barcelona or did I just say, hey, Tiger, what's up? No, Robbie.

Get a call the mic. Robbie said, I believe, Robbie said, hey, Tiger, that's Riggs from Barcelona. Whoa. Wait a second. Wait a second. Wait a second. Wait a second. Hold on, hold on, hold on.

That's wrong. That's just wrong. He doesn't remember that at all. What are you talking about? He came because Robbie looked at the stairs. He was like, I don't know if I'm going to stairs. And he walked by, because we were talking to Robbie when he walked by. So, so for those listening, Riggs and Jake Garland.

I think you're wildly wrong. The flight home is going to be brutal. I think you're watching long. Oh, shit. What an amazing moment that was. I'm pretty sure you said, Riggs from Barstle, and then he ignored you, and then Robbie was like, that's Riggs.

And then he was like, what's up, Rigsie? This pound, freeze frame, best moment you're like. Wow. I think you're wildly wrong on that. Riggs is a better memory than I, so I'll say that. That is true. Well, I agree with that.

That's insanely different. That's just, I agree. The whole thing's different. Rick said that Robbie Mac wasn't around so that he wasn't. He wasn't. Couldn't even say that he wasn't there. That's crazy. Someone's just wrong here.

Right. He wasn't even, Robbie wasn't even next to us when this happened. And I agree that Riggs has a crazy memory. If you've ever heard you talk about one of our rounds of golf, he knows his shot, everybody else is shot. It's crazy. Everything.

I will say in that moment, it might, you might get tunnel vision. Totally. Totally. Now I'm questioning my own brain. I mean. It has to be. He just came over and just said everything you said is a lie.

The way? I mean, you have to be questioning your own brain. Basically. You actually said the exact opposite of everything that you said. And he hasn't heard any of this. He's not in the fucking, he's not in here. Which is crazy.

He said, Robbie Mac. That's crazy. So, let me go back through this, quick. Let me go back through this. Real quick, New Amsterdam vodka is the official vodka of Barcelona sports. I have to get that out there. You're going to drink a transfusion. Be sure to drink it with New Amsterdam vodka. They've come up with a pink Whitney. It's smooth. It's distilled a

bunch of times. It's very classy. You're crazy if you drink any other vodka. Big thank you to New Amsterdam vodka. They're huge supporters of our show, huge supporters of Barcelona sports in general. They're the absolute best. It's the only vodka I drink. It's what I make my transfusions with. Thank you to New Amsterdam vodka. Okay. Now, I'm trying to get my timeline of events correct. We did talk to Robbie Mac a decent amount, 100%. Now, there was a Players Lounge, which we're actually in right now. Those are all the players were.

Just outside that room, we were chilling, hanging, chatting, and then I saw Robbie Mac who was inside the Players Lounge. Robbie Mac made eye contact with me, came out and chatted with me and Jake for a few minutes. It was great. Talked about the course. talked about wing foot, talked about what they did in a few days in between. It was great. Then Robbie Mac walked away.

And at that moment, it was just me and Jake standing there waiting for the bathroom line or whatever the hell was going on. That was when Tiger Woods showed up. So I could have been, now that I think about it, I could have been so focused on Tiger that if Tiger was told by Robbie Mac, who wasn't standing next to us, who was over by the stairs, if Robbie Mac had like, said to Tiger, that's Riggs or something. Like, I wasn't looking at Robbie Mack,

but I would have noticed that. Like, I would have noticed that. So I would, at this point, I would go to my grave and say, there's no way Robbie Mac said anything about like that's Riggs or anything like that. Like, there's no way. Like, he just literally stood in front of me, looked at the stairs, talked about the bathroom, right? When I decided to fucking speak,

and then looked back at me once everything, and settled about the bathroom situation and said, Rigsie, what's up, man, and fist bumping. It's incredible. Now that I go back into your first telling of it, you said that Robbie Mac saw what was going on with the bathroom situation and left to go figure that out. But, like, how much, like, he had to have still been in the mix

because Tiger was still looking for the bathroom. If I know Robbie Mac, he didn't just leave the situation. Tiger was actively looking for a bathroom. Robbie Mac left your conversation to go help him find a bathroom. And then if we know Robbie Mac, he's no way he just left the room. So he had to have been in the presence of Tiger who was actively calling around this clubhouse looking for a bath. So maybe you were so fucking locked. And I don't want that side to be true.

I don't. I want to know that Tiger would put one of us. Like it could be. Like fucking Jake didn't even listen to this. We just asked what happened. And he said, Robbie Mac was like, oh, there's rigs over there. An absolute bombshell from our own producer. Look.

Oh, fuck. Just let it be the more dramatic one, Jake. Jesus Christ. What a ridiculous compliment from Jay. But I will say, if Jake saw or heard that, there's no way that he would have, like, misheard it. Like, that's just what he saw. Right.

The way he said it was basically that Robbie Mac was standing right next to he would slap the name tag on you. And then Tiger turned around and was like, like, oh, Riggs, what's up? Jake was like, yeah, yeah. No, he definitely told Tiger that that's Riggs from Barstool. I am devastated right now. Oh, no, it was so good, too.

I mean, it's a great moment. Dude, when you texted that to us and Jake texted that to us, in the group text, I was in the car with Dave, and I was like, holy shit, Tiger Woods just called Riggs Rigsie and says what up and noticed them. And Dave was like, that's insane. Like, that's unreal. So it's good.

Like we have to get to the bottom of like what actually happened. We've constantly debated over if Tiger Woods knows who we are or is he in so much of a bubble that he doesn't care or like even know. Does he see so many people that try and fucking suck them like in media and all these people that he doesn't know the difference in us and that. We need to ask Bobby Mac. Here comes Jake to try and save his life right now. No, I'm not trying to save my life because I'm racking. I'm editing a video over in the corner and I'm racking my brain because we are in the room. Oh, no.

Here we go. Justin Rose and all them we're in. This is better. I'm not lying. Dude, this is better than, this is better than knives out. This is better than knives out. I'm not lying because I'm trying to think. So we were waiting for the bathroom.

We're talking to Robbie Mac. He like mysteriously leaves. He's, and then Tiger, he did that he leaves. Tiger walks out of the door, comes to the bathroom. The bouncer says you can't go here. And he is perplexed. It was amazing. which obviously he is.

He walks over to us. I believe he looks at Robbie and Robbie's like, yeah, we got to find a bathroom because he's like, where's the bathroom? Robbie walks towards whatever. Riggs goes for a fiston and says, Tiger what's up? Tiger walks towards the staircase.

I don't know what happens over there. He comes back and he goes, Rigsie Wood up and pounds him. That's like my, because I'm racking my brain over here because I can kind of hear the podcast. Well, it's completely different. It's completely different from when it started and Riggs said Robbie Mac wasn't even there to tell him that's Riggie over there.

And then we were like, holy fuck. And then you came over. It was like Robbie Mac. He was probably like 10 feet awake. That's kind of where the, you know what we need to ask Robbie Matt. We have to ask Robbie Mac. We have to ask Robbie Mac. Like we have to talk to Robbie Matt.

I'm nervously putting on hand sanitizer. Like I put on hands on hands on time time since we start talking. I'm just nervous now. I love this shit because honestly, I black out too in these moments. I've said so many things. I'm the most. I exaggerate stories more than you've ever believed. I'll say that I came in, the fucking heat was 120 degrees.

I was sweating. I barely survived. Someone came in, picked me up and realized, really, like, I just, like, walked and like, whatever. You know what I mean? Like, I'm just fucking. Yes. I'm an exaggerator of course. So I love getting to the bottom of this because people always do it to me.

Always do it to me. So. Riggs looks like he's working on something. Riggs is working on confirmation. I also find Riggs to be one of the more truthful and his memory to be extremely incredible. So I am now teetering on the fact that maybe Jake, who sometimes gets flustered and comes over here, I'm not saying anything bad about Jake, but like if we're going to go off. If we're going to go off integrity and memory and truthfulness,

I'm not saying that Jake is bad in that. I'm just saying that memory will trump Riggs' God. But you have to factor in, then throw in a guy that considers a God is also a scenario. Exactly. Like, I'm trying to think of my blinders were on. My blinders were on. It's Tiger Woods standing right in front of my face. In Pebble Beach, when he was talking to Ted Eighty,

Anyone said anything Tiger while he was talking to him? I wouldn't have heard a word they said. Right, right. Like if someone was like, Frankie Burrell, the pass code to my million dollar bank account is TD bag 1714 and you can have it all. I wouldn't have heard a word he said. In that same vein,

I didn't realize the where you station moment was so ridiculous in the moment. I had no idea. It was until people saw the video and were like, boy, Tiger really scrambled your brain with that where you station question. If they hadn't pointed it out, I would have never remembered it because you do black out in those moments. Very interesting.

Honestly, very interesting. I want to say that there's a mix between the both. I think in a time like that, I think there's a mix between the both. I think there's probably a good chance that Tiger moves over by Robbie looking for the fucking thing. And while they're like trying to figure out, maybe Robbie points over there, maybe. And also maybe like Tigers just like knows who rigs it. Like, I don't know.

And I, now changes. The whole story changes. Like, if fucking Robbie Mac hands him a vanilla folder and it says like that is Rigged from Bargster when he walks over and goes, Rigsie, what's up? That means nothing to me. Whereas if he just walked up, saw my face and my goofy body standing there and was like, Rigsie, what's up? That's everything.

Life changing. Life changing. That means you are in the inner circle of Tiger Woods just knows who you are on the street, which is a very, very tight-knit. group, an incredibly tight-knit group. I'm trying to get an answer right now. I'm texting people from inside heavily, but I'm trying to like tiptoe around it a little. Hey, hey, where else you're going to get this?

Where else are you going to get these stories? And man, nowhere. I just trying to figure out if Tigerwood's new set, knew me or if Robbie Max said, that's rigs you over there. And then he said, what's up, Rigsley by the bathroom. That's literally what I, that's literally what I just texted to someone that, like, has access to this information. Incredible.

That was Jake coming over after having his head buried in a video where he's, normally he's listening to the podcast. Today, EBugs doing it, but normally it's Jake. So he would have heard everything we talked about. Nope, he came in clean and was just like, this is my story.

Worst came to a video on the podcast in the history of the show. And then, and then he had time to mull it over and came over with a whole new story. He never should have came over at that second story, either one or the other. That looks sketchy. The second story looked like I said him a fucking death message of me. Yes, 100%.

Like he came over, fucking scurrying over. Like, you know, actually, actually it's not what happened. Like Jake just signed an NDA. It came over. Yeah. That was incredible. I got to go do a pizza review with John Bon Jovi. So I got to get off here.

All right. I think we're done. I think we've done all the ad reads. We had Jack Nicholas on the show. Oh, let's talk about this. The golf, real quickly, we could talk about the golf, the actual fucking event. The golf course looks like it's in Jurassic Park. I know you wrote that on your Instagram store.

It's crazy. Never seen anything like that place. That 19th hole is literally what dreams are made out of. Jack hit the golf. Jack hit the fucking hole, the 19th hole. And everyone's like, he dust you in golf and like that whole fucking thing you guys talked about is bullshit. Meanwhile, when he hit it, he put every single ounce of his body into this wedge shot. And then was surprised he hit the green.

He was like, couldn't believe he hit the green. He was like, I hit the green. It was like pathetic. But the golf was awesome. I didn't get to watch too much. I watched a lot of the highlights when I came back home. We were doing pizza all day in Philadelphia and Pittsburgh yesterday and Philadelphia yesterday. Shout out the Barstle sports book at.

But just the course is fucking phenomenal. I said to one of my friends, it's immediately a top of the bucket list type golf course just to be able to go with those fucking the markers, the Tiger Woods markers, everything about it. Tiger Woods Golf Course is. pictures everywhere, his design. It came from his brain. He went there to build it. Like, he went there, walked the course while it was being built the whole thing. Got to go there, complete, complete bucket-liff golf course. The AirPods thing was pretty cool. I don't know why we don't do that for like parcel. I guess. That seemed like one of the more

like easiest ways to capture audio of all time. They just like were on AirPods and playing golf. It was super easy. The audio is great. Justin Thomas is phenomenal on the broadcast. Yeah. He's very funny. And then Rory McRoy is saying that he just discovered the dominals of the thing is very strength. He's exactly like, you know what I'm on there? I'm on the Domino's kick. Like, oh, oh, really? You mean like the biggest pizza chain in the world? I watched a good bit of it. And we basically need as many of these matches as we can get between these guys. Because we've now done, aside from the first match, which was between Phil and Tiger, which was like, they were trying to figure it out. The second match and then this

match between these four guys, it's just anytime you can get superstar personality golfers, miced up playing a match together, it's going to deliver. So I want them to do as many of these as they can. I know it's probably a bit of a headache trying to get all these guys in the same place at the same time, whatever. But the more of these they do, the better. And the Domino's thing I thought was very funny. Domino's is very good.

All the pizza lead us out there, and I'm sure Frankie Borelli is one of them, all you people out there, put your swords down, enjoy a good piece of chain pizza. You're going to enjoy yourself. It's fine. Your local place is not going away. It's not going anywhere. you can go there whenever you want. But if I order a Domino's pizza to a get-together that we are at,

you are having a slice of pizza, and that is a stone-cold fact. The only thing I'll say is that it's only good in places where you don't know what to get or, like, where you're going to go. When we were in Australia, we had Domino's like five days in a row because it was just, it's just there. Yeah, I saw your assidamino. I saw your ass of Domino.

We would go in from, we come in from a long day at the course. I order a nice fucking domino's pizza you had to go pick it up. You know who I saw online there every day? Frank Eberle. Right, because we're in Australia. We're in some fucking random ass spot of Melbourne, Australia. I have no idea where to eat. Places were closed. I didn't know. I just had the Domino's app

with my phone. I downloaded it there in Australia. I figured out how to fucking do it. But if I'm in New York and Long Island and I have a million pizza places, literally one million pizza places in New York City, I mean, not literally. That's how I over exaggerate stories. But like, there's one on every fucking corner around here. Go get yourself. a fucking homemade slice.

Like, like, at 1 o'clock in the morning, order Domino's fine. It's drunk pizza. It's not fucking dinner pizza. Show me. Don't ever say it. Show me one of those local pizzerias that has lava cakes. Show me one that has lava cakes because those lava cakes are great. The cheesy bread is great.

Here's what I don't like. I don't like when people completely write it off. Like if you eat dominoes, your local place is going to disappear. Like that's what I don't like. I need people to understand that you can have both. I'm sure the local place is good, but Domino's, it's cheese, it's bread, it's sauce, it's whatever toppings you want. They throw in a fucking oven.

You're going to eat it. It's going to be fine. That's my point. I'm with you. I couldn't be more with you. I thought to- We got a guy from Missouri and a guy from Iowa. What is that to do with that?

Here we go. Like Domino's just great. Like, you're from- Long Island. Oh, you're from- Exactly. No pizza better? Yeah, I know pizza better.

I know pizza. Exactly. You're fucking making my point. Yes. Yeah, we know pizza better. No, you don't. Yes, we do because, like, you guys, like, in middle, in, in, in the mid-east, Midwest of the United States, the Middle East, in the Middle East, in the Midwest, it is like a delicacy to go to what Domino's. You guys don't have mom-and-pop places of Italian restaurants.

It's like one every fucking thousand miles. This is not true. That's just false. But, like, the difference is just like, you can just see it, like, walk down the street of New York City and there's 15 pizza places. Like, Italians and all these people, they just, there's also like, settled cars. Like there's just more stuff. It's New York City. They just settled here.

Like it's just like a northeast thing. It's like more Italians. There's more Italian places. Just like a statistical fact. How can you say it's not a statistical fact? But like that would be like it doesn't mean every single spot's just better. Like there's more bars. There's more bars.

So so clearly there's going to be more good bars in New York than there are in St. Louis because there's just more bars total. But like that we still have good pizza. We're not like idiots. But my point is that like when you have more options, you're going to end up going to those more options than you would if like the only piece of place in town is a dominant node, right? Like you have 15 bars here.

You're not going to go to a Buffalo Wild Wings to watch a game. You'll probably go to like your local bars right down the block from your plate. But like when you're in Iowa or fucking St. Louis, the random town St. Louis, like Missouri, random stuff, the Ozarks, the only place in fucking town is like the Buffalo Wild Wings or the Hooters. Because like they're a national chain. They just like pop places all around the place. That is.

That is exactly what Rory was pretty much saying. He was like, yeah, if you don't know the best local pizza spot, like Domino's is really good. So we'd been on the Domino's cake. And I just said that for that reason, then it is good for what it is. But like the people like, like people actually then reverse. They say like, oh, the hardos that say, like I actually think it's just as hardo to be like, I'm going to order a Domino's pizza place in New York. Your pizza stinks Domino's just as good.

Like that's just as hardo to be on the other side. No, no. No, no. What I don't know what we're saying today? What I don't ever were saying today, we're like, I'm going to order a domino's pizza right in your face. Like, well, like, I mean, it's clear that they make a pizza better at a local pizza place. No, see, you tacked the place me and Dave went to yesterday in, in New Jersey is the best pizza I've ever had. Like, it's going to come out in like two weeks.

You cannot tell me that that's not more enjoyable than the Domino's pizza. And, like, Finalberg was like, it's the same thing. It's fucking bullshit. No, see, you tacked on something at the end there that I don't support. And it's that I think Domino's is better than the local place. You think the local place is like crazy. Like, it's like, it's like, not. Not even pizza.

It's an orgasm as soon as you put it in your mouth. Yeah. But we're just saying, like, it's not that. We can still eat dominoes and it's still pizza. Like, we're not, you guys acting like you're superior, extremely more so superior because you're eating this local pizza is assonine to me. I don't know. I just think there's a lot of people listening to this podcast,

and I don't think they're all in Long Island, New York. And I'm sure a lot of people are going to hate what I'm saying. They probably all agree with you because we have people that, I think the rest of the country is probably more in line with what you're saying, because it's a fast food country. It's a fucking chain country. We have them popped up everywhere. Even in my town,

there's one street, Hempts of Turnpike, in which every fucking place is a fucking fast food place and the lines down the block. My whole point is that I think that if you're from here and you're from my area,

I think that you're going to be more tending to just be like, you're leaning towards if someone chooses Domino's for their 7 p.m. Dinner, Sunday dinner for pizza over just like Sal's on the corner. That's insane to me.

It's insane to me. The clip was very, funny because Rory, he was half embarrassed to tell Justin Thomas that it was that like, this is what I'm about to say to you. But we, we love dominoes at the Rue and back of the right house. And it was just a very funny clip. But that right there is why you need more of those matches because that is by far the most like the clips like that are the most interesting thing that happens during the whole round by far. But was Eibov just shaking his head as you agree with me or not agree? Of course I'm agreeing with you. I grew up thank you. Hey! Hey! Hey! I'm walking.

Long Island guy. Like, what a fucking here? Whatever. All right. Yeah. We're so cool, New York. Yeah. Frankie's preaching right now.

Like, everybody's getting up around us. Yeah. Like Frankie's knows that the rest of the country, it doesn't matter. Look, let me say this. Let me say this. The event was awesome. Trent's right. The coverage, the sound bites.

They were phenomenal. We need more of this stuff. It was really cool for Missouri. We're going to do a travel series here at some point. It might be a year or two. But we got it. here. Like this place, this isn't even, as cool as it is for me, that it's Missouri, that it's my home state. Like, this isn't even where I'm from. This is like, this might as well be,

for you Long Island guys, like upstate New York by Syracuse. Like, it's just not, this is such a different place. Missouri, St. Louis is flat. It's like mostly flat farmland. You drive 30 minutes outside of St. Louis, and it's flat all the way until the Rocky Mountains, essentially. And then you drive a little bit south. And you get to. the Ozarks and they're crazy. It's gorgeous. The terrain's amazing. It was such a cool moment for the state of Missouri yesterday. Having like those guys having those photos of Rory, Tiger, Rose, J.T. All playing a match. Jack and Gary out there. Like it was so cool for this area that's otherwise like unknown. Yeah, I know that like the Netflix series, but that's like drugs on Bush. Like it's relatively

unknown. So that was really, really cool. I thought the event was awesome. Big Cedars really fucking. sweet. People need to come do trips here and come play. We'll talk more about the course. We'll put videos out about the course. I'm going to try to get an answer about the situation. But that's all I got. Jack Nichols is on this show. Really cool. Frankie, you good luck with your pizza review. Hey, hi. Thank you.