Fore Play - Jim Furyk, and Respecting The Olds

Episode Date: May 4, 2023

Jim Furyk, fresh off being announced as the 2024 United States Presidents Cup Captain, joins the show (01:22:02). We discuss his 2018 Ryder Cup captaincy, his famously unique golf swing, shooting a still-record 58 on Tour, leading the Americans into Montreal, and Justin Thomas even makes an appearance. Before Jim, we discuss our evolving love for older folks, Tiger Woods and Joe LaCava splitting up so Joe can permanently caddie for Patrick Cantlay, Brendan Jones and Alex Busch playing LACC and Pebble Beach during this week’s USGA media tour, and Jack’s comments on Tiger’s golf future.You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

Hey, 4Play listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcast, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Oh, Rick! What's that my brother? I got a buddy who struggles with that shot a lot. His name's Frankie Burrilli. So the guys actually gave him a nickname of Butter Nives because he's always nice to the cross the green. Broads 100.

Now you've got to break 90. We appreciate what you guys do for golf. It's been really cool. Thank you. You're making it cool. I was like, hey, Phil, you only fucking 2999. And he grabs 100. He's like, yeah, I won 90,000 of these yesterday.

He goes, take 100 and go fuck yourself. What? What are you that hitting? It's ain't a hobby. Four players, right, Barstool Sports. We got a guy on the show for the very first time today. Jim Furrick just announced as a captain of the 2024 President's Cup team. That's going to be up in Canada, the United States President's Cup team.

First time having Jim Furrick on, great guy. We got into a lot of stuff. I enjoyed obviously the President's Cup stuff. Dan grilled him a little bit on the Rider Cup stuff when he was the captain of the losing team, 2018, Paris. That was when Tiger went like 0 and 4 right after he had won the Tour Championship. It's kind of a weird, kind of a weird rider cup, if you recall. I was over there.

You guys, it was like started at like one in the morning, and then next thing, everybody woke up and the whole thing was over already. So it was kind of a weird rider cup. We got into his golf swing a lot. We're now, I believe, gigantic champions of Jim Furrick to the Hall of Fame. has kind of been a big theme for us this week, has been the Hall of Fame, the golf Hall of Fame,

which we've probably never talked about before in our careers. So yeah, anyways, we got a lot going on, and Jim Furrix should be on the second half of the show. So I enjoyed my time with Jim Furrier. It's certainly a big name. You hear Jim Furrix on four player.

You're like, whoa, that kind of perks my interest. I kind of like that. Legend. Mr. 58. Yeah, and I talked about that with him. I said, like, I shot an 80 the other day in hard conditions,

and I felt like I was the best golfer on the planet. And I cannot believe. Oh, true. 58. Like, I was draining putts from everywhere, man. I hit a 55 foot birdie put off a worm. It went off a worm, took a hard left one right into the cup. And, like, I felt like I couldn't miss.

Three birdies in one round, a couple of doubles. But, like, at the end of the day, I'm like, how could you play any better than that? How could this game? How could anyone play better than I played today? 22 shots better than that. 22 shots. And he had 24 puts.

I had, like, 35. Well, like, almost 1.1 strokes. a whole better than you were. Right. That's the type of thing where the general public, the general public, ourselves included, don't actually know how good these guys are. We think we know and we think we're playing

sort of the same sport. We can go, we can go play sawgrass. We can go play Pebble Beach. And we're like, oh, we're doing the thing that the pros do. No, you're not. It's overused nowadays, but it applies perfectly here of it. He was, those guys play at times video game golf.

He just pulls the joystick straight back, straight through. It goes X. of yards straight down the middle of the fairway and then whatever his yardage is to the flag he just knows how to hit it that yardage and hit it on that line so he just hits it there and then he's within 10 or 20 feet and his putting stroke and his reeds are perfect and like the ball's probably going to go in and then he just does that 18 times and you're like okay yeah know that okay 58 strokes I believe that round too he was 11 under through his first 12 holes he was 8 under on the front 9 11

through 12 and then he gets into a lot of the detail but I don't want to spoil it but it was like a hold on situation and he talks about realizing it so he shot a 59 and a 58 on the pGA tour he is uh he's got a phenomenal resume and we go through a lot of it with jim ferrick himself um and he was quite uh he was into it he was a trooper he was enjoying it we kind of loosened him up i could tell he was there Trent daddy in like his president's cup uh outfit in front of the president's cup with like the President's Cup montage going on behind him on the screen. And then pretty early on, we dropped like an F-bomb or we said pussy or something. And he kind of loosened him up a little bit.

And he was like, oh, I'm on a podcast. You guys can say some shit here. Okay, interesting. So I don't know how he took the joke when. So Justin Thomas like kind of peeks in at one point, like into Danny's computer. And then I was like, oh, Jim, you're now the second biggest guest on the show. Like I was like, we're going to say it was for play guest, Justin Thomas. And then also Jim Furik.

And then he was just like, yeah, you didn't love that. Justin Thomas, a great kid, you know, uh, he's a good, yeah, good player. I was just like, I actually had to say, I actually had to say, I actually had to say at one point. I actually had to say, no, it was just a joke. It's just a joke. Always good for anybody who wants out there who wants to start a podcast, if you're like, what do I got to do to make this thing a success? You bury your guest.

We don't fucking shigercoat this thing, dude. We just too, we have like, we. We just been gassing him up about how he should be a Hall of Fame guy. And he's like, yeah, if you guys want to lobby for some votes, I was just up and like didn't get in. And then Frankie's like, yeah, we're not even going to list you as the number one guest on this show. Yeah. Well, I think if you stack up their careers, I think it's Jim Fierke, 17 wins, one major.

And I think it's Justin Thomas 15 wins, two majors. So I think JT has the leg up when he talk about career. Which is we've talked a lot this week, like Rick said about the Hall of Fame. That's right on the line if we're talking about Hall of Fame. careers right on the line right so but like all right so yeah going to back not to dog jump year but like if you if you saw player a player b what would you say was the better career 15 pGA tour wins two majors or 17 pg jor wins one major look no one's debating that justin thomas is going to know no i'm not i'm not i'm not trying to defend what i said i'm literally trying to

i'm asking you what you guys think like like do you give that major almost like is that worth like four or five pGA tour wins it's important i'm not i'm not i'm not trying to defend what i'm not I think it's important. Two majors is important. Yeah. Yeah. Two majors is important. It's important to do it.

They always do that player A, player B stuff with hockey and baseball. So it would be interesting to see like how you can compare someone as less PJ Torwin's more majors. I, uh, I saw people were, I saw golf historian Twitter was getting after it a little bit. Uh, I saw one of Dan's former colleagues, I believe somebody for golf digest tweeted that, uh, Kyle Montgomery is in the hall of fame. He's got zero majors. And I was looking at that.

And he's considered maybe the greatest Ryder Cup player of all time, if not second maybe. He's like two points behind Sergio and one of the greatest European tour players of all time. In a time when the European tour was massive. I mean, for a lot of guys that they didn't come over here and play full time in the United States like they do now. And the money difference wasn't as great and whatever. A lot of those guys, Saviota, they played on the European tour. I think, I think Colin Montgomery has like 31 a European tour.

Is I reading that he never won a PGA tour event? He never won a major. Did Colin Montgomery never win a PGA tour event? Though he amassed 42 victories in a career, Kyle Montgomery never won on the U.S. Professional Golfers Association of America PGA Tour and never won one of their four major championships. I knew the majors, but I didn't know he never won a PGA tour event. I didn't know that either.

That's incredible. It's insane. What a career. I'd also say for a guy like Furek, and I don't know if they count this in the Hall of Fame, and they probably don't. His swing is a Hall of Fame swing. Yeah.

When you're talking about like swings and like, oh, if you were, you know, just to put a screen and have a guy swing, not show who it was, you're, in Furik, you're going to go 100 out of 100 with people who are golf fans. So I think that's, that's something. Oh, yeah. I'm looking right now, Call Montgomery 2. Look at this. Playoff European Tour playoff record, 07 and 1.

Wow. That's why. We're talking about the greatest Rutter Cup player of all time with that record. That's such a lot. He's got such an interesting resume. Dude, me and I don't think you were on yet, Frankie, me and Trent had Colin Montgomery on the show for like an hour. He came in and he was, I think he was like,

Oh, I was there. Was it like, yeah, you were there for? Yeah, I was in the radio room. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was like Locke Lomond whiskey was around the Open Championship. And he was fucking great. Because we had made, I mean, we grew up in my household, Midwestern family. We made fun of him, Mrs. Doubtfire.

Everybody called him the whole thing. Hello. And he was fucking awesome. He was drinking that scotch with us. He was such a nice dude. So I love Kyle Montgomery. But he's second in majors five times. That's insane.

That's just insane. Dude, I looked at while we were talking to Jim Furik and we were going through the Hall of Fame thing because I was, I didn't even, because the Hall of Fame and golf's weird. You're eligible when you're like 45 or something like that maybe because I remember, I remember with Phil and with Tiger. They got in while they were like still pretty near their prime. They like Tiger, I know, like got into the whole thing. So I think it's maybe what you're eligible when you're 45 or something. So I wasn't sure if Jim Furrick was actually in already or not.

And dude, I was going through because you know on the players Wikipedia, they have the whole major championship results and they highlight the top tens in yellow. The amount of top fives Jim Furik has in major championships, dude, is fucking crazy. In 96, tied for fifth of the US Open, 1997, top six and three of the four majors, 1998, top four twice, 1999. Top 10, top 8, 2001, top 6, top 7, 2002, 9th, 2003, first and a fourth, 2006, 4th, 2007, T2, 2008, T5. And then you get into the 2000 teens when he's much older. He still has a top four, a tied for fourth, a second, a fourth, a tied for fifth, and a tied for second in major championships.

Yeah, he's one of those compiler of just like really, really good stats. He's saying. He's also a compiler of money. He's top 10, maybe even top five money winners of all time. Dude, he's third. Third? Yeah. Now, he, they remove, which is, again, we bring this up with Jim Furrick.

We, they remove Phil Mickelson and Dustin Johnson from the list. I think those two would be higher than he is. If you go on the PJ Tours official money list, they just, those guys are gone. So I think he's fifth all times, PGA Tour money list. That's crazy that they remove those guys. They made that money on the PJ tour. I know that they're, you know, technically banned right? now, but they're a part of history.

When you die, it's not like they take you off the list. Right. It's insane. I don't, you, one thing you can't do and you start looking like, you start looking like the asshole is when you start messing with the history books. When you start ripping names out, then people are like, now, wait a minute. This is the thing that I don't like. And that's one of them.

Is it very funny link when I looked. I was like, wow, Jim Furek's third. And then I went down the list. I saw no Phil. I saw no, Dan made the point. I saw no Dusted Johnson. I was like, huh. And then, yeah.

But if you look, dude, Tiger Woods, $120.9 million. Rory McElroy's second, 71.5 million. I believe Phil would be second, or you might even be first at this point. Jim Furek, third, $71.5 million. VJ. Singh, 4, 71.2. Adam Scott, 5th, with 60 million. Obviously, Phil and DJ are higher than that. But Jim Furek, I think, is fifth all time.

PJ Tor money was. That's good living, man. We've got him on the show. He's on the show. Sorry, I'll stop asking you if your question. He's on the show. You know that we've been part of the Chevy EV family, but we have big news. The first ever all electric Silverado is officially Barstool's most valuable truck.

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He went down, stayed a couple days with Sawha Fagala. He caddies for him. And so you get, we always talk about how we love player caddy interactions when they're miced up, when they get that boom mic right in there and you can hear it. They're talking through shots, what they consider, what, certain players consider that other players don't. We went through with Adam Hayes, John Rom's caddy about their process.

What is he like? That's different than Tiger Woods process and not to segue because we're going to segue to it. But I remember when Joey Lakaba caddied for Patrick Cantley a few years ago as like a one-off thing and he talked about Tiger gave him shit about like, oh, you're going to have to give him adjusted because Tiger just likes the raw number. Anyways, it's very cool to hear players process and what they're thinking about over shots and Dan just does that for an entire video,

plus kind of an interview in between shots, like a long-form interview. Big passion project is in a really cool concept with a guy who's turning into a megastar on the PGA tour. I would say full swing vaulted him up there. He's got amazing charisma, Sa'Hithagawa. He's up there in the top 25, I believe, in the world we talked about in the last show.

So make sure you check that out on YouTube, on social, on partial sports if you haven't. Side gig from Dan Rappaport is officially out. Yeah, it's going to be great. All the graphics on it look really, cool just a whole new series very golf centric very deep golf golf conversations i just think you know we're hitting you from a lot of different angles right now and this is his angle really cool um that he's going to be able to do that and the guess he's going to get are insane i mean the first one

being sahith is awesome and then it's just going to keep going up from there so it's really cool something the three of us couldn't do that that's really you know we brought down aboard that was a big part of it and i know there's kind of this weird transition period but this this is the type of stuff This is the type of stuff he loves. This is the type of stuff that we want him to put on our YouTube page. And I know he's super excited about it. I'm super excited about it. We're super excited about it.

So yeah, check it out on our YouTube. It's going to be great. I'm a little torn on the Joey La Cava situation. We're very tight in this show with Joe La Cava. First of all, no-brainer decision from him. And clearly, Tiger signed off on it. So it doesn't seem like there's any bad there. Tigers down again for at least the remainder of the season.

It sounds like we did have our doctor on. who detailed cancels among many other things, but also detailed kind of the outlook for Tiger and essentially said, yeah, as long as this goes well, he should be much better off than he was beforehand, walk much better, move much better, the limp should be less, the whole deal. Joey the Kava is, you know, he caddy for Freddie Couples,

category for Tiger Woods. He won the 2019 Masters with Tiger Woods. You got Tiger to number one in the world again in 2013. You won like five times that year. So they've had an amazing run. However, it's just tough. It's tough when the boys break up. Nobody wants to see, you know, nobody wants to see their parents break up.

Nobody wants to see their favorite player caddy duo break up. And again, it's kind of a harsh way to put it on a logical, rational standpoint. Patrick Cantley's the number four ranked player in the world right now. Patrick Cantley can make tens of millions of dollars a year. You don't have to be a mathematician to realize a caddy roughly gets about 10% depending on their setup. If Tiger Woods is never playing, I'm sure Tiger pays Joey Lacaa a nice annual salary. but I doubt he's paying him a million or $2 million a year just to sit around so he could make a ton more money. He could be in the mix.

I'm sure he has that flow or that desire. He's a sports fan every time you watch him. He's talking Rangers who are out. He's talking giants. He loves sports. So a guy that loves sports wants to be in the mix. He wants to be working, playing, grinding. Now he's with a guy who's number four in the world.

I'm a little torn because Patrick Cantley, not our favorite guy, slow, pretty boring. in general, kind of unlikable in a lot of ways. And now Patrick Cantley and Joe La Cava, who maybe the most likable person of the world are together and he's not with Tigerwood. So it's a little bit tricky, but overall, I think from a rational standpoint, we all get it. Yeah, it makes sense. I mean, you do kind of have to read between the lines a little bit of what does this mean for Tiger going forward.

But from a Joey La Cava standpoint, I'm happy for the guy. I want him to work. I want him to be on the bag of a very successful golfer, which Patrick Cantley is going to be. it already is. So yeah, it's a no-brainer. We get to see Joy La Cava more in terms of like a broadcast and him out there with the guys. I'm happy for him.

But yeah, the whole Tiger thing, it just leaves that in a little bit of a limbo. But overall, we're Joey La Cava guys. And I'm glad that he's on a bag like Patrick Calais. Yeah, we die for Joey La Cava. I mean, at this point, the guy's going to be, you know, he's getting older. I'm sure he doesn't want to be doing this for the rest of his life. And at the end of his career, he's going to want to make as much money as possible doing this and for a big chunk of it tiger hasn't played golf i mean the last 10 years tiger woods

has not played that much golf compared to other guys um that joey is uh you know co-workers with and all his other caddies have all these guys that are just absolute freaking workhorses when it comes to pga tour they're stopping at every single stop they're collecting checks patrick can't lay is a human atm machine i mean for the past three or four years the guy has legitimately just deposited money to hit whatever catty was on his bag um he's always going to be in the mix he's going to be able to be you know You got team events. He's no hat, Pat. Everything about Cantlay, yes, he's boring, but he's in the mix, man.

He's the top four player in the world, a top American in the world. So he's always just going to be there. Joey's going to be there playing Rider Cups, doing all this shit. It's going to be a lot of fun for Joey. And, yeah, I mean, I texted him. The first text was about the Rangers, obviously. I said, your team showed no heart. I said, no bias.

I thought that was a pathetic performance by the Rangers in Game 7. We don't have to talk about it now because Lurch isn't here. He hasn't been on the show in five months, even though he's a part of four-play, sign of contract the whole thing. But he's just not on the show. At the end of the day, I would love to talk to Lurch about hockey, but we'll talk about what I talked about with Joey Likava. The Rangers are a pathetic organization that just can't get it done.

I mean, 83 years, 82 times they've been eliminated from the playoffs out of 83 years. You give any team an 83-year fucking window to just win a ton of championships when you're in Madison Square Garden. You're the heart of New York City. You have guys like Patrick Kane literally saying, I want to only go to the Rangers and you have to trade me for a bag of fucks. You don't get anything in return. And I am forcing your hand to trade me to the New York Rangers. They get all the benefits, all the accolades.

They get the fucking bright lights of Broadway. And then they just lose every single year. It's amazing. They are the cowboys of hockey. They had one run in the 90s and sometimes they make some runs in the playoffs. But they have that America feel to it. the red, white, and blue, like just how the Cowboys have the star in their helmet. The Rangers have the Liberty on their chest.

There's just something about them that they have this fucking boastrous, like, we're the Rangers. Why? You know who's, like, more successful than you? Almost every team in the league when they, like, win the Stanley Cup. It's crazy. So shout out to Joey Lakava going with Patrick Cantley. He's going to win a ton of money.

He says he's very excited to work with Pat full time. I know that he has bounced around with him from time to time. He's been on his bag before part time. This is very exciting. He says he's a great kid. Hopefully we'll get some more interactions with Pat now. Maybe this will be our little lead in to Patrick Cantlett. That'd be great.

I mean, we've, it's a strong word to say we've rehabilitated some guy's images, but we have done that in certain cases where the public thinks of them one way. They come on our show, they do an interview or they do a scramble or some sort of video with us. And you find out that there's more to them than what you see in the, you know, eight minutes on a broadcast. So I think Patrick Cantley has that opportunity. we would love to have him on in some capacity. It'd be great if he made fun of himself, came on a video, like took his time over a drive.

He's got it in and he did the, when he made a whole, when he made the whole and won after the video went viral of him playing really slow, he was like, oh, look, I'm playing faster. So I think it's in there, you know, if that was him running that Twitter account. It could have been someone on his team, but that person also can just get in their head and be like this is. I'm convinced it's his team. He appeared on social media like earlier this year. And then that was right when he signed some deals, I believe, some little advertisement deals. So I think it's his team that's kind of doing that stuff. I was a little turned off by, and look, Patrick Cayley's had a few different times where he's been asked questions in press conferences and he's given very insightful, interesting answers. But I don't know that he's particularly self-deprecating.

He had the chance the next week when at the RBC Heritage when he was like, he was asked, did you hear about the comments that were made by Brooks Kepka by a lot of people on social media about your slow play? And he instantly was like, we waited on a bunch of teas. And he went, look, no person that's ever been accused of slow play in the history of golf has believed that they were a slow player. Every single person believes that they're not the issue. And he was that way. So when he didn't right away be like, yeah, I need to speed it up, which credit to Max Homa. Max Homa, and I've talked about this like privately, he's like, you can look at the data. I don't believe him a slow player. But when he had that video that came out during the match play where he took, you know, 50 seconds or whatever over an aim put, aim point put, he immediately quote tweeted that. video afterwards and was like, I need to be better. I'm going to reevaluate my process. He didn't be like, well, we waited on this whole. So I didn't like that response from Patrick Cantley. I just think he's in it right now with the slow play, slow play people. When you get it, I don't know what it's equal to in other sports. When you get, when you become kind of the guy of the slow play, you know, hate online, you can't shake. It happened to Bryson two or three years ago.

It's hard to shake, yeah. It's hard to shake, man. And he's kind of in it. right now. So I feel bad a little bit on that, on that front, but I don't think he's handled it great. I'm sure if he came on, he would be a much better guess in a podcast for him than he is when he's just asked these questions, you know, here and there at press conferences. So I imagine he'll come on at some point. He's with Joey. We love Joey. That's a huge plus in our book. And hopefully we get him on at some point we can talk about it. But right now he's in the crosshairs when it comes to slow play. Maybe Joey will help him out a little bit. Before we move on from this caddy news, I want to read off a tweet from Daner Abaport. Did you see

this Ricky Shea shot that he took at Ricky Fowler yesterday? Dan Rapcourt, Barcelona Sports 4 Play Golf Podcasts. All right. So this is the tweet. He said a bunch of new stars in golf and the top caddies are not getting left behind. And then he lists a bunch of caddies moving on from older stars to younger stars. And this is the list.

Joe Likava, Tiger to Patrick Cantley, Ted Scott, Bubba to Scotty Schaeffler, Paul to Sori, Webb to Cam Young, Adam Hay. Hayes, Russell Henley to John Rum, Bones McKay, Phil Mickelson to Justin Thomas, Joe Scoverin, Ricky Fowler to Tom Kim. That's a Ricky Shea shot. We're talking about old dogs who these old golfers, these caties got to move on from these guys.

They're not, I can't win anymore. There's like, I got this is a sinking ship. No offense to any of those guys that I listed. But I got to jump on to this new cigarette, but we're going to take off and we're going to make millions of dollars together. And on that list,

A list that includes Tiger Woods, Phil Mickelson, Webb Simpson. All these guys were getting older, admittedly. Ricky Fowler is on that list. Tiger literally, like, under the knife, he just can't walk for years. Phil Mickelson has been deleted from the PGA Tour website. And they put Ricky Fowler, who's 30. And Jared just got married. He's like 33, whatever.

All right. Plus also saying, like, that Tom Kim's in like, you know, a cash cow compared to like what Ricky Fowler will ever be for the next 10 years of. of his career like rickie feller basically has no chance compared to tom camp right tiger's what 47 how old's bubba probably rickie's 30s now rickie's 34 phil is over 50s 52 probably and yeah rickie is a good 20 years younger than some of the guys on that list how about rick dick is vaulted into uh he's 53rd in the official world golf rikey so he's coming back baby our guys coming back i kind of liked him this justin thomas in the world rankings i think he's outside the top 10 is i was going to say eight

Yeah, dude, he's down there. He's 15th. Wow. He got to, dude, there was a, I think at the Masters during his presser, somebody asked him an awkward question where they were like, you know, you're seeing these guys that are short of your contemporaries out there, they're winning majors, they're like vaulted to number one and two in the world. They've won a bunch times.

You're not even inside the top 10. Like, does that kind of motivate you? And his answer was like, he was like, wow. like okay i didn't know we were was that dan because every time dan asked him a question at the masters he's like is there a question in there or he hates dan's questions just and thomas won a major less than 365 days totally my question was going to be like because he's a huge sports fan and like at some point and what what's the point in the pGA tour season that you start to be like we got to turn this around now like he's 15th and it's may like it's almost like when

you're outside the playoff line by thanksgiving or something in hockey they're like oh you got to get in. Is there a time where Justin Thomas is like where this is like a bad season so far. Like when do we start to like rack up some points and get into the top 10, top five, make sure that we're in there for the tour championship. When do they start doing that? I know there's a ton of tournaments left. But like we're we're we're chugging along on this season. We already, we already went to New Orleans. Like things are happening. You know what I mean? Like this is we're in the middle. We're about to get into the summer now, the heat of it. So I always wonder like what, how those guys feel about that. Or do they not even think because there's so many.

any fucking events. I'm just looking here at his results from the year so far. Starting at, let's call it, the Century Tournament of Champions, which is in January. T25 and then T254, T20, T20, T20, T20, T20, T20 at the RBC Heritage. Probably not the year that Justin Thomas would want, but not a complete disaster. No, it's not a disaster. I'm saying, like, he could always just turn it on whenever he wants. I just, yeah, I always wonder if that like eats at them, you know what I mean, where

they're like, all right, a quarter of the season's gone. And I have almost 90% of that has been T20s and higher. It's like when do we start to really start? Well, it's so interesting that golf is like each week is in a silo, right? It's not like in hockey. If you're 20 points outside of the playoff spot, you can't just make it up in one weekend. Whereas dude, in golf, J.C. just wins the PGA next, you know, in a couple weeks. Like, it's a great year.

So it's such a weird thing. Like if that happened to Phil, Phil didn't have like a top. I don't think in like two and a half years in the PJ tour and then you just won the PGA at Kiwa and he's like an icon. It's so fucking weird in that regard. It's probably really hard though to let go of all that other stuff and like just be, you know, it's almost like what Brooks Keppko was talking about in full swing where he's like, I bet Scotty Schaeffler's not thinking about anything about anything. And then they cut the Scotty Schaeffler and he's like dancing among fucking tulips and daisies with his with Meredith and like Austin. And they're like, okay, he's not thinking about anything. at Brooks over here like he's got fucking weird sunglasses on like judging his wife's outfits and

shit he's like this is a nightmare where and I bet so for JT he probably is going you know I guess I don't know probably going into the event in a much different mindset than like rom would be even though him and Sheffel aren't playing where rom's like yeah everything's full systems go let's fucking crush it even though technically they're both kind of like yeah if we just win this week life's amazing everything's great so golf's weird that way man it's very it's very different yeah yeah we you're not thinking about it, it kind of pertains to everything. When you're not thinking about it, that's usually when it's going the best. Like, I think somebody, Justin Thomas just turned 30 and someone asked him about turning 30. And I think I saw this somewhere where they were like, well,

how do you feel about like where you are right now in terms of your career? And he was like, I don't feel like I've accomplished nearly as much as I had wanted to, which coming from him is kind of insane. Like he's got one of the great young careers going. That number of wins, what did you say he has 15 wins? That's a lot. Like I saw that because he just turned 30, dude. That's like whatever, eight, nine years he's been out there. But when you're a guy like him and you've won 15 times, you've won two majors, you're like, man, I could have won 20 times and I could have won four majors.

He's looking back at every single time that he could have won. Those 15, he had shoot in. He knew that he was going to win tournaments his whole entire life. He was determined to do that. And now you go back to the ones that he like maybe let slip or that were just out of his reach. he's like, fuck man, I had a great opportunity. I'm one of the best players of this generation. I could have done this.

And then that's hard to put on yourself, though, to be like, coulda shoulda, you know what I mean? If you didn't win this, you could have won that. You know what I mean? You could take one away, give it to another one. It's the gift and the curse of having extreme talent like he has. Because if you didn't, if you got, if you turn 30 and you've won, maybe you haven't won at all on the PJ tour.

And you've just had a few top 20s and you're just kind of gliding along. and you're like, well, this is what I am. And I, you know, maybe I'll grab one here at some point, but one or two wins, and that's kind of going to be my career. Like you said, with 15 wins, you think, I'm good at this. Clearly. I'm really good at this. I'm in the top 1% of people who have ever played this game.

And I wish I could have won more. It's got to be, remember that 2017 season he had, he shot 59. He won five times. He shot 63 at Aaron Hills with those pink pants on, including that three wood, three Wood Eagle. That was a nine under 63 when Johnny Miller called at the Milwaukee Open. And then he won the PGA

championship that year for his first major as well. So he had fucking five wins. I believe it was five. He won a major. He shot a 63 in the U.S. Open and he shot 59. And I believe he won like back to back to begin that year. I think he won both Hawaii events. So it's like, dude, that was six years ago.

He must have been feeling to like Frankie's, but he must have been feeling at point like well i'm going to win a major every year i'm going to win five events every year i'm going to like i'm going to win 20 majors and a hundred events like this is i'm i'm sick this is easy right it's crazy he's got two majors my math is right he was 24 then imagine being that good at 24 you're like this is it man i'm i'm going to be one of the greatest ever and he's again we're we're talking about like he didn't ever win again he's got 15 wins two majors one at one in tulsa last year like everything is one

the players with Justin Thomas he's got players like everything's totally fine you just know that he's feeling like I could be totally fine he's totally fine he's totally 90 seconds ago I was like he's got 15 wins that's amazing now like who a guy's struggling just trying to get inside

the psyche of a guy like him which is impossible but that's just three guys what he's thinking along some lines not a single like blood cell of excellence inside of our entire bodies and we're like I wonder if this guy feels like he's doing it properly. I mean, kids have to be going through the same thing right now.

I mean, he's in a different light, but it's like he's not playing the way he wants to play and he's getting towards the end of his career. It's just, it's interesting to think about how these guys approach each week. It's such a grinding, it's such a grinding sport and career that at some point, it's just got to eat away at you. Like you could be Justin Thomas and you could have the potential to be the best player ever, like we just said. And then you could be like Kevin Kisner in the same spot where it's just like, man,

like I'm just trying to hold on at this point and just like compete again. And it's just, I'm very interested in like the mental side of it. Maybe ever since we started talking to Dr. Brett McCabe of just like how how fucking daunting it is to go up against these guys like Scotty Schephler and fucking John Rom where you know they're going 15, 16 under. They're not going to miss a flag stick every single time they tee it up. It's got to be infuriating.

And then even times that by a billion for when Tiger was in his prime, how did anyone even have the will to just go out there and play golf? When he was winning 10 events out of 15 or whatever the fuck he was doing in the early 2000s, Like, how are you even showing up? You're just happy to finish top 10 at that point. You're not even thinking about a win. Dude, imagine, like, that U.S. Open at Pabell, I think Ernie L's and, like, the mechanic, I think they finished T2 at, I think it was like three over and Tiger was 12 under.

It's just a joke. They must have been like, dude, what a great open we played. Like, I'm out there crying in. I was only two over part. Of course, it's impossible. Like, maybe I'm going to playoff. off and they lost by 15th. I just finishing like eighth in that tournament and you're like 22 strokes behind the

winner. You're like, what else was I supposed to do today? You know, every one of my peers just couldn't even come close. It's your 80 to Jim Furix 58. You're like, what do we? I thought I played the best I could out here at Pebble Beach. I really thought I did. And the guy who won is 20 strokes better than me.

How is that possible? That is Frankie. I love that you. brought up that fucking anecdote because it's so true like you'll come back in the clubhouse after around with your buddies maybe you shoot like a 76 or something and everybody's like dude riggs was on fire today he's making everything he played lights out we're like we're playing from 6 to 200 yards and i shot 76 and jim ferrick shot 58 from probably 7300 yards it's insane maybe by 18 shots i played fucking unbelievable it's like what a game these guys are playing take on the sun with gear built to

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I do. I do remember that. Yeah. Um, six on that hole. Yeah, you did. Next the next door is this place called Sands Point Golf Club. That's village club of Sands Point. Sands Point golf club.

I want to bring you guys there at some point. Hopefully we can get back on. We knew the super there, Pat. At some, you feel like you've entered a new world. You don't think you're in in America anymore. You feel like you're in like the fields of like, um, it may probably America, but like the fields of like Wisconsin. Like I you feel like you're like next door to like Aaron Hills, but it's like a flat Aaron Hills.

It's just land everywhere. And you could see every single hole from every single T-box. It's almost like a like a poor man's chin a cock where you're just like where are we right now. Like how are we in this grass field and the greens are fucking outrageous? There was a really cool golf course. I had to give them a shout out. Like one of the cooler ones I've seen on Long Island like a hidden gem that I've never really heard about until I went there. It's hard to find a good one on Long Island that hasn't been touted because that place is already the best.

Strait of golf on planet. Incredible. Speaking of stretches of golf and what we're talking, the hills of Wisconsin and whatnot, you know, people were asking a lot. We're kind of floating, and we texted about this,

we're kind of floating a, I guess it's Pacific Northwest, but eastern Washington state slash northern Idaho travel series. There are some golf courses up there, boys. Gamble Sands, we went to last year for the Barstool Classic. We were blown away. It's that one we've seen, but we flew into Spokane,

went there for a couple of days, went back to Spokane and flew out. Cordillanes up there. That's the place with this fucking Iowan Green. I've been seeing this on social media for like five years. This island green that changes the yardage every day. They have it on like a like it said Disney, which I imagine Frankie is going to be your favorite hole of all time.

It's like you take a fucking boat to get out to the hole. There's Cordillane which has a few places. Gaza Ranch is very private, but that's up there. It's supposed to be amazing. A couple different courses people sent to me for this would be circling Raven. Palos Ridge, Suncadia, which is a great name.

Just thinking of all the whole market at these places. Yeah. There's got to be unbelievable gear up there right now. So we're kind of floating that. So if anybody wants to send a little note for play at barsoilsports.com, maybe detailing a potential trip up in this region of the country, I feel like it's beautiful, stunning. The imagery and the videography that our guys could do would be fucking phenomenal.

And it's not, it doesn't feel like it's particularly tapped or overly tapped in the market. I couldn't find really much footage from these places. So we're thinking about going up there this year. And then a couple other things I wanted to get to. Tiger Woods comments. I know we talked about Tiger, Joey La Cava. Sad, but also good for Joey because we love him.

Jack Nicholas had some very interesting comments about Tiger Woods. I love that we seem to get tidbits from what Tiger tells other major champion, other master's winners during Champions dinner every year. I mean, we had the Nick Faldo thing with like a year before Tiger. came back and ended up having a phenomenal comeback where he was worried that he was going to be done. Tiger Woods told Jack Nicholas, and Jack, this is Jack detailing this. He said, we talked quite a bit, actually. Tiger said during this, I'm playing really well.

I'm hitting the ball great. My short game's great. My putting is good. I just can't walk. And then he went on to say and talk about potential surgery, if it helps where I can walk, I'm willing to do it. And then Jack put his own words in and said, he wouldn't be having the operations if he wasn't interested in wanting to continue to play.

he's a very motivated and dedicated young man to continue to play the game of golf. Well, it's easy to say when you're old as dirt, but yeah. I mean, yeah, he's an old. Jack is, I think Jack's 83 now. He's old. He's old as shit. He's old as shit.

He's not older than, um, than, uh, what's his fucking name? Morgan Freeman. That one stunned me. He's like 85. That's crazy. I saw it yesterday. Our dozen match comes out tonight. No spoilers.

He got to watch. Does that come out tonight? Thursday, I think, right? Thursday? People must watch. Oh, so we can't. talk about it. Okay. Thursday. Yeah, Thursday night doesn't. We love doing that show. I feel like we hear from Jack and I this could be revisionist history and not true at all, but I'm going to say it. I feel like we hear from Jack about Tiger whenever Tiger is not in a position where he's could potentially win. I feel like we always hear these comments about like, oh, you know,

you're positive from Jack. I'm with you. I know. And that might be bias in the sense that like those, these are the only times they're asking him about Tiger is like when questions about his. his career come up and like do you think he can do it again so it's almost not his fault that he's being asked questions every time tiger's hurt or he's going to know the surgery it's like that's like that's when that's when jack's phone rings you know what i mean they're not true they're not calling him every single time he teased it up they're calling him like do you think he has it in him to catch you you change my mind just now yeah just now he's changed my mind that's so true why when tiger is you know healthy as he can as healthy as he can be they're not asking jack like do you think he can do it's when he's at his low point when it's like

it would be pretty crazy if he came back and did it do you think he can't? When the doubt starts to creep in that he's not going to be able to do it, that's when Jack is most relevant about the record. Agree. I agree now. I don't think he's, I want to apologize to Jack. I'm sure this will go right to him. He's a listener of the podcast, which is great.

We love that Jack listens and I apologize. I think I've sort of changed. I've evolved by my general opinions on old people recently. all of them yeah how so i don't know i don't know you just kind of you just i feel like i just used to lump all old people and just a bucket of like just old person and like you're kind of limited you're old

and so now i just have a much more like when i walk by an old person i think like that person just was young for like most of their life that person was young that person was probably at one point raging that person was probably got off work at a fucking friday when they were 29 at 2 30 and met the boys at the bar and just ripped that right that's right me crazy thinking about stuff like that you know yeah like that person like when they walk by they're not necessarily just um really sweet like old like that person might be like a fucking maniac that's like just in an old person's body at this point so just worn down by the i also think about what they're thinking about like they're just like fuck i think that's a louis cK joke

where he's just like like everyone's afraid of dying and like getting old but like i think it's I think when you get that old, you realize why you die. I mean, you're like, uh, like every step, you're like, fuck. Like I just don't want to do this anymore. I don't, I don't want to be here anymore. I don't want to be walking anymore. But sometimes I think like, man, that's just like, yeah, that's just a young person's brain in a, in a breaking down body.

Like, yeah. Trent has said that that, like, didn't your dad say like he just thinks he's like 35 mentally or something like that? Like it never really changed after 30 years old. Yeah, I forgot how him and I got on the topic. I remember he was dropping me off at the airport one time and we were talking. And I had been talking to somebody before that about how old we actually feel. And this was a couple years ago.

And I had said I felt like I was 22. I still feel 22, though I kind of still have the same thoughts of when I was 22. And I asked him that and he was like, I feel 33. He's 70. Yeah. He's about turned 72 in a couple of months. And he's like, I feel 33. He's just a 33 year old guy whose body has.

moved on and kept moving these 35 more years. And his brain is just like, I feel like I'm 35. And he's with it. He's sharp. You can have conversations with him. My grandpa was like that, dude. Even up until he was like 87 and his body was just gone. He was still sharp. And it's just like, it's crazy to think that the body just goes. And sometimes the brain will be like, I'm still as sharp as can be. It's just this meat vessel that I'm in is failing. It'll be interesting to see like this like younger generation get older if we make it there. Like essentially I feel like the older generation, our parents, our grandparents, when they were younger, they did things that we now see as just being old. Like they would watch the program on TV and they would read the newspaper.

60 minutes. So like a 70 year old who still thinks he's 33, he's going to do things that are still considered like old to me, right? Like your dad's not out there playing video games and like checking the web. and like TikToking and Snapchating. Or like when we're 80 years old, are we going to be feeling like we're 33 and be doing that stuff? Like am I going to be playing like NHL 23

or NHL like 65 on fucking Xbox one billion and just being like, yeah, this is like what I like to do instead of like, like my grandma likes to like knit. Like am I going to like sit there and just like scroll whatever social media is? Dude, I bet knitting's kind of sweet. But that's like what they did when they were 30. So like that they're still doing that now because I'm just like how they pass time.

I don't think those specific things change the same. We even talked about on last podcast about how 10 years ago, I was going to the bar every single weekend, every weekend. Every opportunity I had, I was going out and drinking with my friends. Even just 10 years later, my interests are completely different. But I still feel it's not the activities that you participate in. It's just the way that you feel, I guess. Because like I get what you're saying, like I love, you know, like you're saying, you love playing video games in your 20s. Am I going to be doing that when I'm 70 because it's how I feel inside and what I would like to do in my 20s?

I think those things change. There's just something about your mindset. When your body starts to get older, you're like, that can't possibly be because I still feel inside of my brain that I'm 30. Yeah. I was more talking on the lines of like hobbies. Like when they were younger, they didn't have the type of like technological hobbies that we do now. Whatever hobbies they had was very just like earthly. Maybe it was like planting or fucking gardening or like my dad golf.

He's golfed pretty much his whole life. He still golf. Right. So like for me, like my hobbies. growing up my whole entire life are very technical and technological and they're all video games and all this shit like I feel like I'm going to just keep on doing that they don't we don't get to compare that to them because they didn't even have that I feel like you know does that make my dad yeah I'd like hikes and farms because that's what he did when he was 25

exactly infarmed yeah that's what they like to do I will say a couple things frankly if you're knitting we've officially lost you like that's yeah you're you know that's like I feel like they give you knitting to like keep crazy people from like clawing your eyes out or something So I feel like if you're knitting, that's a problem. Do you guys ever notice how differently you talk to old people versus like if if you like a baby? Yeah. Because I, you know, I live in a condo building.

It's got a mix. It's like some younger families and like some older, a lot of like older kind of retired folks were in Scottsdale. And, and I'm my point in the way I'm changing my perception of old older folks is like, instead of walking by and being like, hello, Mr. and Mrs. You know, nice to see you guys. and then you walk by a 40-year-old guy that you know has like a fucking Nike shirt on. I'm like, what's up, man?

Like, it's totally different. Like, why do I, like, that guy wants to be taught? So now I'm trying to, I'm trying to level it off where it's about like, like, instead of being like, yeah, just. Well, they're more polite. They come from a more polite generation. They come from that. They come from more proper generation. Why don't you talk to me like I'm one of the boys?

No, I think they think that we're, I think we're a hoodlums and. Stop, tuts. Yeah. That's a smitty would say to him. No, I know what you mean, but I, I think when we're older, we're going to say what's up, man. I honestly think that you even saying hello to them, they're like, this is great. And that sounds weird. But I do think as people get older, they get far more isolated from everything.

Family's dead. Right. And it's just, yeah. I would say overall, we got to be way nicer to old people. 100%. They're just getting them in these room. I agree. Society's blowing.

buy them like a bullet train with the phone. Crazy. We're kind of forcing them out. Crazy. And the technology. Like I know for a fact. Am I, you know,

I get my parents are getting older. Like my mom's 67. My dad's going to be 72. Spring chicken. So they're spring. But even I know calling them and talking to them for 30 minutes is the best thing in the world for. And I end up feeling great.

And I know that they love it. They want to know that I'm doing all right and things are going fine. Like that you got to be everybody's overall just got to be way nicer and way more communicative. old people. Their interactions from when they were 40 have gone down like 95%. They're not working anymore. They're just sitting there watching programs on TV and golfing and then maybe they go to the clubhouse. There's just a yeah, they're not hearing people screaming in the house anymore. And it's just like times like it's just fucking it's 90% dropped. But it's also like they got so much

free time. Like they're so, you know, it's like you're fucking. Some people don't want the free time though. No. My dad would never be able to sit down and just like retire and just watch like an ocean. He just would be like going crazy like I need to fuck it. I'll say the big big things for my mom my mom listens to every show and she's like the getting into the market has been huge like my my parents probably 10 12 years ago went from like paying like a stockbroker whatever to like whatever funds that they had to like once you could do it yourself my mom was like what if I just like take over because this person's not doing that great like fuck it and so now from the minute the bell you know if the market opens the bell to like it closes she is locked in she's got like the fun.

financial channels on she's got her fucking iPad she's literally get her on a live stream she loves it. Bringing a bell. That's it. Dude, she drinks her Pepsi. She rips her darts and she fucking, and she just watches the market.

I love that. That's giving her like, she loves it. Well, that's a beauty of golf, really. If you're a golfer, my dad,

my mom, they golf a couple times a week still. They go out all the time. So it's just that's something to do. It's hours out there. They go with their friends who are also down, wintering in Arizona. That's like the social part of their lives.

So it's an important piece. Yeah. Yeah. Totally. You got to have that stuff. Just be nicer to old people. All right. It's crazy.

It's kind of my people. It's crazy. It's a daunting. It's very daunting, dude. It's a daunting thing. Getting older is daunting. It's crazy that we just stick them in these rooms and we're just like, you got to just go there and just die essentially.

But like, but then like on each, on each in each, geez, I'm not. I don't think it's that. Well, it is. At some point you got to make the decision. We're like we can't take care of grandma anymore. It's like it's it's taxing on on the younger like the children's lives, right? Where it's like you just got to like I got grandma like debilitating in the back room right now. Like we got to get her somewhere.

You got to get her help. You got to get her like a nursing home. And then like those nursing homes are so fucking depressing. It's just all these old people are sitting in rooms. Just kind of like fucking passing the time and they don't know what's going on. But like that's just the way life is, man. You just break down. just but like you can't blame anyone i guess because like what it's it's it's you're going to live your

whole life taking care of everyone the whole entire life it's you got to think at some point we're going to upload or should be able to upload the consciousness onto a younger younger like vehicle right you gotta you gotta you gotta think that's common you got to think eventually that's coming the brain stuff is sad that's that's where it starts to be like you where like you don't remember what's going on anymore the alzheimer's that's where it starts to get real rough where you just it's all it's all you know life it's kind of the beauty of life that's that's kind of the beauty of life It's sad. It's like you're mortal, right?

That's what makes it cherish the good moments because you're mortal. It's not forever. That's the beauty of this whole fucking thing. So it makes it more special. Well, in the interim, call your folks, call your grandparents. Go see them. Stop by. If they live near you, go by there.

Say hello. It'll mean the world to them. I got to say, visit my parents, moved to Colorado a couple years ago, you know, and like visiting them in their Colorado house is about as fun and wholesome as it gets without doing anything special. Like, we just hang around the house. We go to a couple restaurants and, Boulder. We have like beer. They put a pool table up in their top room. We like have a beer of my

dad walks around the yard and shows me like the new trees that he planted. And you know me. I'm like a city slicker. I don't know anything about fucking trees, but he loves like the trees, sends us pictures. They seem beautiful and they just kind of are hanging. And it's a fucking great time. My brother comes with his wife and they're two young kids. My sister's around and things are running around. It's like this beautiful chaos. And you learn to like to bring full circle like the evolution. When you're in like your young 20s, like you're saying Trent, like, rip at the bars and you're trying to meet girls. You realize like the actual wholesomeness and happiness is more so in that like chaos

it like for us like my parents, Colorado house when everybody's together and you're hanging and people were adults and you're ushering in the new generation. It's like your outlook and everything changes dramatically. Yeah. I mean, you get sappy about it. I can start making people cry and shit. But like you're in the midst of the time that in 20, 30 years you're going to look back and be like, man, wish they were still around.

Wish like my family was still here. Like you're just in that time right now. You know what I mean? Like for me, like I think about that. I thought about that with hockey. I mean, with the Islander game. I'm like,

I'm just like in the moment now watching it with my dad, my family, my mom's there. Everyone, we're all here right now. Everything's here right now. You know what I mean? That doesn't happen forever.

I might be gone tomorrow. You know, you don't know what's going to happen. No one knows anything about tomorrow. So it's like you got to make each day count. And yeah, like you said, Trent,

you got to really just take each day calling them and making sure that everything's like, That's just that's what living is. That's what that's what it's supposed to be. Yeah. And your 30s, depending on, you know, birth dates and when people are born, your 30s, moving into those is kind of like a transitional period for everybody where you're like, parents are getting older, grandparents maybe aren't around anymore.

Like it's, yeah, no, it's it. That's just what it is. Life's scary. You just got to, you just got to. It's just been that way for 10 to thousands of years. For a billions of people. That's just what it is. I always think like George Washington's dead.

He is. He is. He was amazing. big of a figure as that and you're just been you've been dead for hundreds of years George Washington's one too who he was really big when he was when he was alive like he was big everybody still big he was the guy Julia Caesar dead like it doesn't matter you know what I mean it's just you're just dead he got it they they would argue he got a little bit too big and they took him yeah but I know what you mean they did argue that they argued that a lot and then they just

fucking Brutus stabbed the matter how big you get scumb bad. So I'm going to Italy in September. I'm going to watch the shit out of that Rome documentary again. I kind of skin through it. The Rome, the ancient Rome. You got to pay attention. I tried to pay attention. It's a lot sometimes. But there's some boobs in it, which are great. There's some boobs in there for sure, which definitely that keeps your attention coming where you're like, that's a pretty woman. And if she's going to get naked at some point, I'm going to keep watching this episode. And at the end, she just kind of does. And you're like, that was fucking awesome. I'm just saying

You got it's part of watching the show Connect yourself to the stays Connect yourself to the boobs But also connect yourself to We talk about this on the show in the past Where the politics that are going on right now In our world and our country It's it's the same shit that was going on then

It wasn't that they woke up They ate porridge And they were like oh things are great The sunshine and we're the Roman Empire This is amazing It's the same thing had to build that as well And it's infinitely interesting You have to remind yourself too

when you watch it that they didn't know that they were ancient. Right. That's amazing. That's true. They genuinely believed they were as current as you could possibly be. Right. And they were close. They thought robes were it.

They didn't think robes were what ancient people wore. They were like this is what was what people were wearing. Why would we wear anything else but robes? Going forward, people are going robes. It's fucking it. We got robes and like, uh, how did we fall upon like chinos then? I mean, like, how did we, how did we? How did we evolve from Roves?

If there were three guys doing, who liked to talk golf a hundred years ago and they were just sit in a room and talk, they were not wearing hoodies. They were just like, this searsucker suit that I'm wearing, this is the one that people are going to wear it. I'm printing out pictures for the new Borrellys in Long Beach. And I'm doing like this whole family wall. And I found this picture of my dad who looks like Mr. Bean when he was younger. It's unbelievable. He looks just like, you know what Mr. Bean is? Yeah.

Yeah. How do you not then look like Mr. Bean? Dude, look. Dad looked like Mr. Bean in this photo. What? Look at this old. So this is my dad's whole family. My pop-op who started Borrellys.

Look how nice they were dressed, man. In Italy. Look at that. Like, that's just, we're wearing hoodies and fucking golf hats. That's what that's the fucking real deal, man. They're dressed like to impress. He's got the top hat on. It's the way, by the way, it's the way your dad is looking that he looks like Mr.

Pete. Mr. B. does that exact thing. I know. I was like, oh, what? Yeah. No, that's, yeah, that's, I mean, that's class. Class, they look great, man. Now, Trent, I don't want to get all parental on you, but it's time we had that talk.

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They played LACC Monday and they played Pebble Beach on Tuesday. They're out there for the USGA media kind of week. And we were, we've been all over the country. We had Islander streams. We had Barstool classics. And these guys are experts now at capturing content, obviously flying drones, videography, the whole deal. We had a couple spots. So these guys went.

They got to play the courses. So I want to hear a little bit from Alex Bush. Bushman. Is Jonesy with you? Oh, no, but he's like, I put him in a, he's like in the room waiting if you want to bring him in. Do you want to do this now? You want to do this when they can like be on the screen and shit? I mean, unless they have cameras on our computer.

They have cameras? All right. Let's do it. Well, I was thinking well, it's fresh. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, let me get him. Let me get him in here. As if he, that was, that was, that was, that was, uh, Ron Burgundy being like,

I really didn't come prepared. Oh, you guys want to talk to me? Yeah, we do want to talk to you. What's your last, what is your guys' last couple days been like? This has been quite a trip. Incredible. Incredible, dude. Big shout out to you guys, obviously, you had the opportunity to go, but, you know,

schedules didn't really work out for all of us. So you sent Alex and I, and it was truly like the best trip ever. It was unbelievable. So describe it from beginning to, to end where you, where you guys started, they flew you out to, you guys started in L.A. Yeah, so we flew from New York to LACC, the men's U.S. Open venue. And I was actually pretty shocked at the response on Twitter when I just, like, floated out four pictures of the place.

It was like, I didn't know it was like this secret. People are just like really, really like surprised to see it. And I guess they, you know, they haven't been there in like 75 years or so or even in like Southern California in like 75 years. So people were just like, whoa, this place looks awesome. I'm like, I mean, yeah. played it was sick you hear all these you see all these pictures like online about how like it's in the middle of l.A like legit you can see like the big buildings and the surrounding um skyline and that's

like you've never seen that in los angeles like that's something that you didn't think was realistic i don't even know geographically where it is like i came in like beverly hills yeah i mean that's when you start talking like you're not allowed to even look at it you know a regular person doesn't even know where that place is as a as a guy i feel like i'm pretty plugged into course It's how I spend a lot of my free time. You just, you have foul enough Twitter, golf Twitter, Instagram, Twitter, or golf Instagram. You're just going to see courses, like, links, jims.

I feel like I have never seen a single hole or could not describe a single hole from LACC. Yeah, that was like the reaction that I kind of garnered too. I was like, okay, so this is like real special. Like people like have no idea what this place looks like. And dude, it's fucking sick. Like mint. Mint. It's hard.

I heard you guys saying it's really hard. It's tough. There's a bunch of elevation, too, which makes it pretty tough. But part threes are pretty long, too. There's one that's crazy. They said they might have the longest and the shortest part three in the U.S. open on the same course. Yeah, they said, like, one's going to play, like, mid-70s,

and then one's going to play, like, over 300 yards. Yeah, maybe in the 60s. And then there's one that plays, like, over 300 yards. Yeah. There's part three, it's going to be 60 yards? Yeah. I don't remember the exact number. I think he said in the 60s, maybe 70s,

but they said it's going to be the shortest part three. Wait, wait, hold on. Are you guys doing the thing where you're, are you doing the thing where you're giving us the yardage on a part three and you're not giving us the one? Or are you saying that there's going to be a 60 to 70 yard part three. There's going to be a short-ass part three that's literally a flip-weget. Hold on.

You guys, you're either losing all credibility right now or you just said the most interesting thing I think I've ever heard in my life. So when you played the shortest part three, what was the literal yardage? I think that it was all based on the day. So like, I think on one of the days, like the back tee for the long one and like on a back flag is going to play over 300 yards. It's going to be like 300 or something. And then there's, I don't know which I'm bad for holes, but I don't know which hole it was.

But they were like, this hole one day is going to play like 75 yards. And I'm like, that's fucking insane. That's amazing. Well, I know the seventh hole at Pebble Beach, which you guys also played, is can play like sometimes use open. they play it under 100 yards, but it's like 95 yards, something like that. So if it's the shortest toll in the U.S. Open, it would have to be less than that. So yeah, it would have to be true. You guys walked into the locker room.

You saw names like Jason Bateman. I saw Larry Fitz was at Pebble. I mean, were you guys just like walking amongst just crazy L.A. stars at this LACC media day? I saw a couple actors. I saw a couple of actors. I didn't say I didn't say anything to him. I didn't see Jason Bateman. Damn, they just took a picture of his locker.

I'm like, that's a cool one. Yeah, that was really, I would have been really cool. I would have definitely said what up to him. But I just, yeah, I didn't see him. Dude, we were supposed to play with Josh Richards. Oh, shit. Oh, wow. Yeah.

Yeah, so we were supposed to play with Josh Richards, and then, like, things got shuffled around. And then, like, Josh wound up driving to, like, a different tee. We were all, like, me and Alex started on 13. And he, like, I don't know, he think he drove to, like, 14. And then our caddies were like, should we go get him? And I'm like, I don't do whatever the hell you want. You probably know stuff.

in that group. So he's just going to play with them. And they went over to him and Josh was like, yeah, I'm just going to like stay here. So Alex and I literally just. Alex, I said a Tucson. It was insane. Wow. That's great. The Tucson was unbelievable.

Yeah. That's fucking great. How'd you guys play? Obviously, you haven't had a chance to play that much golf this year. You guys have been so fucking busy editing everything watching us fucking smack the ball around like idiots. I mean, were you guys nervous stepping up to the T-L-ACC, first round a long time? Jonesy, where's your, where's your T-shot go on in the first hole?

Oh, man. So I texted Danny before the round and I was like, what do we look in like OB and like losing ball situation at LACC? Like how many do I got to bring? Like I haven't played. He's like, there's virtually like no OB. I'm like, all right. Like that doesn't mean what you mean, but sure. And I get up there and I just like, look, it's a huge fairway.

And I get up there, just flare one right like big old slice lost ball. Didn't hit the range because we were like flying the drone. I just wanted to like get some draw footage. He was like the only down period. I was like, all this bullshit. And I was like, I'm just going to go fly the drone. Like, I'm not getting any better on the range. Like, whatever.

So me and Alex, I flew the drone for a little while. Two off the first tee lost both on 13. No problem. Well, so you and I, Jonesy, we had played, the last couple times you and I played, we played Trump Ferry Point, a place where you just, you got to keep it on the map. Otherwise, you're dead. And your game is you got a good swing. You got a ton of speed.

So when you hit the ball, it goes a mile. Sometimes it doesn't go where you want it to go. But if you're playing a course that's a little bit open, you can play really well. But if it's a place where you can only land it in the fairway. If you don't, you're in jail. You're in a little bit of trouble. Yeah, there was room out there too when I was missing, which was fun. Like, I appreciate that, but I was, I was missing.

How did that nerd Alex do on the first hole? Alex played well. Alex, Alex inside, Alex, inside of like a hundred, I like a lot. Okay. Yeah, driver in Long Island's had issues, but the wedges were dialed. A lot of PARs and a lot of doubles, so a little bit of both. That's fine. So, all right.

So then you guys jumped on JSX. Did I see you got to fly my favorite airline? Bro, I would do that a million times if I could. So it's like a private plane, but it's like it's publicly seated. Should you just go online get a seat, but it's a little mini plane? Yeah, rigs did no more. But I like researched a hell of it on the plane, and there's only like a certain amount. of like, you know, places it flies out of versus like, you know,

obviously being like a public airline. And it only goes to a certain, you know, few places in the world. You know, those little hops and jumps, right? Like Arizona to San Diego. We only do like 10 spots. Yeah. Vegas. LA.

Dude, it's, it's considered like a semi-private because it is like, it is really nice. Like each, each sheet is essentially like a first class seat. I don't know how many are on there. Probably like 25 maybe, 25 or 30. But that flight felt like 20 minutes from L.A. Yeah. San Francisco or moderate. You still going through security and everything or no?

Do they have, ours was privately booked too. Like ours was just like our group. So it was, we just walked in and, you know, kind of waited for them to get ready and left. So the,

this is the one I told you guys about like when they, the reason they have their own private terminal and then the reason they don't really even do security is because they have all the facial recognition, recognition technology. And a pilot told us this. And so when you walk in, they know everything about you the second you walk into the door. So if you're like a high risk person or whatever, they'll, they'll, you know, do security and a little more security.

They do have a metal detector. You guys walk through like a metal detector, right? Yeah. It's, they have like a metal detector and stuff. Yeah. So it's super simple. But this is like when I sat, we went from Scottsdale to Vegas last year. And we had a JSX pilot sitting in front of us.

And we were just, he was telling us whatever we wanted to know. And I was like, how about the security? Like, it seems we're landing in Vegas right next to all these buildings. Like if you were really a terrorist, so you got through this. This easy. You can just fly one of these planes or these fucking buildings. What's going on here? He's like, dude, they have this facial recognition technology that they use at the main airports,

but they can't fully rely on it at the main airports because there's so many people, whereas there's so few people at the GSX terminal that this puppy knows you inside and out the second you walk into the door. I was like, that's amazing. Wow. It's so, so, so convenient. I wish there was more. They DM, I like tagged them on Instagram. And I guess like they DM me back and we're like, oh, thanks for buying.

I was like, I just DM them back. I was like, I would do this for every flight if I could. I love you guys. So now you're at Pebble Beach. This is your first time ever going, right? You've never been on a trip with us to Pebble. Holy shit. So vibes were probably through the roof flying into Monterey.

I mean, it's Pebble Beach. I was so nervous too because I was obviously like checking the weather nonstop and it was like going to rain. And I was like this motherfucker dude. Like no way it's going to rain on us like while we played Bell. My dad. Couldn't see anything. Dude.

So we get out there and it's like obviously cloudy overcast. And as soon as we're about to tee off, like the. sun starts to peek out and white after we tee off, we had like the best day ever. It was obviously crazy, crazy windy. And we started on eight. And uh, obviously, so we started on seven. So we finished on seven, which was safe. Yeah. Eight's a really cool hole too. I mean, they're all, they're all really cool. I even like the holes that like aren't on the water. But eight's really cool. And like it was straight down wind. And like, like, I think I went six iron, six iron and I like flew the back of the green on eight again. It was like, so you had an interesting first look at it.

Because like sometimes like that when you play those first four holes, you're so, you're inland, right? You get a couple peaks on like three for sure when you're on the T-box. And you can see as you go down the third fairway, you see it behind 17. And then as you make that left on four, you start to see like what's about to come, five, six, seven, eight, the whole entire, the whole deal. And so like that is like, holy shit. We just played an hour before.

Now we're like in the mix and we're looking at the greatest holes. You guys just started on the greatest holes in golf. So you were just fucking just put right on. If you were to look on Google Maps of like the greatest point to be dropped at in golf, I think you just got dropped on that spot. It's like the eighth tee box. You got seven behind you. I would say.

Seven green. You get to play. Yeah. 10, 11. Like that's a great stretch. That's like. It's the best stretch. It was.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was like yeah. The vibes were like through the roof. And then like you obviously get not a break, but like you go inland. And so you, like, kind of escape the wind a little bit. So you're like, all right, calm down a little.

But then you obviously wrap up with, you know, six and seven. It's just like, this is fucking awesome. Six is like the course in the dark hole I've ever seen. Six is like the most underrated hole in the world, I think. Nobody ever talks about six at Pebble. Like, nobody ever talks about it. It's always seven. It's always out.

It's always 18. It's six is fucking awesome. I just love the fact that you don't know where that second shot goes. And I've had such amazing memories now. We've played it a bunch of times. We've been lucky enough to do it where I've just fucking ripped like a four iron just over wherever the caddy says to hit it. And I've walked up there and I've had like a 25 foot eagle put waiting for me. I've done that like two or three times where I've hit the green in two.

And you're just like you can't believe you're playing that hole and you can't believe that things worked out where you're just like you're doing the damn thing. You're doing it. I always three put it. I always three putt it. I never get a skin in the dab bag classic ever in a million years. Never got one on that hole. I always three put it for a par. But fucking, how did you guys play on those holes?

How did you play on 6, 7, 8, 9, 10? Six, I yanked to drive left pretty hard. So I had a lay up. The players like to hit it over there. Yeah, you could go like as far left as humanly possible on that holes, thank God. Some people think that's the play. Because it's flatter. In the past they've talked about.

That's true. Yeah, you were way up there. Yeah, I was way up. Yeah, I was way up. You had a lie. So I laid up and then, yeah, I tried to, to like put, I think I had like a nine iron as my third shot and I pushed it right and like for some reason it just kept going right. Just kept going right. And I didn't like, I thought the,

I thought the wind was like helping me coming off the right and it just kept going right. Probably was wrong. And I fucking lost it, which was brutal. So I had a drop. Yeah, it was true. Alex didn't play too bad. Seven, seven. I par, I part six. Yeah. Yeah. I, yeah, yeah. I piped to drive there. Three wood and kind of on the right side and chipped it up in two-putt. When Alex hit his second shot, I thought it was lost. No, I was just right side, right side, fairway. Let's get some energy behind these pars, Alex.

Let's get some energy behind these pars. The seventh hole, obviously, is the most famous hole in golf. Probably the most famous part three in the world. I'm like 0 for five on it hitting the green. And I saw you tagged me in a video that you just put up, I think it was this morning. Amazing, amazing shop. by Brennan Jones on the seventh hole. It looked like you had a little wedge in your hand.

What was it playing? Like 100, 105 yards, maybe 95? I think we played it like 110 because we didn't win against us. Yeah. Yeah, it was like right in your face playing 110. So I usually hit my 50, like yeah, like 115, I think, maybe. Yeah. I don't know if I hit it.

So, yeah, I just pulled 50 and was like, you know, if I'm long, I'm long. And yeah, because the number was only what, 90 something, Alex? Like 95? 97, 98. Yeah. So it's like if I'm long, I'm long, whatever. I like fly the green, I don't care. And dude, I fucking hit it good.

The wind was like coming off the right. It kind of just like started right. But then like it just started like falling diagonally. It wasn't like bending or curving. It was kind of just like falling diagonally. And I was like, this is going to be really good. And that was like 12 feet. It was fucking unbelievable.

Did you make it or miss it? I posted. I just posted it now. I missed it. It was like. Alex, did you hit the green? No, I pulled the left in the rough mid-boat. Four?

Not very good, yeah. It's a hard hole. It was literally an inch from that bunker on the left side. So, I mean, overall, everything you guys expected, I mean, did it live up to expectations? Was it? You know what was sick? And Brendan would agree was 18. 18 was unreal.

And we both piped trash down that fair way. Yeah, it was pretty awesome. Yeah. We both were like, let's just try to carry as much water as we can. Because, like, who gives the fuck? And we both did. We both, like, put it over the water, probably, you know, from the T-box to as soon as across. It was like, yeah.

kind of like hoping and praying that it was going to get across and then you see it bounce and you're just like, yeah. The best. Yeah. Like left to the tree. He cut the corner on the left side. Yeah. I was,

I was like past the tree. Jesus. So mine was a good shot. Yeah. Those are bombs. I cranked on the last time I played and I was behind the tree. Like well behind the tree. Yeah.

I was like 15, 20 yards in front of the tree and Brennan was probably 50 yards left of the tree. There's nothing better than when you feel the wind coming off the water there and you can just kind of throw it out over that, just like that, that bunker and obviously over the water and you're just like I just hope nature takes this ball back like I think it's gonna I think if if wind is correct this is just going to stay on land and it just kind of sometimes does it's fucking awesome we both made par too we both hit like I made par and I had to punch out from a tree they're on the right side of the green so let's go oh a trip for the boys man what a fucking trip for the boys I'm pumped to see the footage

I'm pumped to C LACC I don't know anything about it I'm kind of going to wait till we put our stuff out before I really understand anything about the golf course or see it just because it's cool to see to go in completely blind. So yeah, great work. So you guys film some stuff. We're going to put out what? Like a so, like you have, you have stuff for a video? So I have like a bunch of drone stuff that I think we're going to just do like featured holes on each, on each, uh, on each venue from LACC. I think we did six LACCC is at the part three. It was, it's super cool. 11. 11? Yeah, the down one that's 11. It's 11. 18. We flew with two. I flew like three or four holes at each, and we're going to do, like, voiceovers and, and featured holes on

each one when the U.S. opens come rolling around. But yeah, dude, it was, it was really cool. Thanks again for letting us do that. Shout to the fucking USGA, man. It's unreal. They're so cool. Love that. Like, everybody who works theirs is like, fucking close personal friend.

Beth was just, like, hooking it up the whole time. If I had any question, she was just like, whatever you need. It was like, it was literally perfect. Awesome. Awesome. That's great. Ambassadors of the brand going to the USDA Media Day. I love that.

I got a situation developing where Kirk Minahan's been waiting for me for 17 minutes, and I can't imagine that he's going to take that particularly well. And he's, I'm texting me, I'm maybe a few minutes late. He's like, no problem. And he'd probably do a full hour on a show about how Riggs kept to late.

You can jump off if you want. No, no, it's okay. We can wrap it up. I mean, we've got fucking Jim Furek. We've been off for an hour of 15. We got Jim Furek coming.

We got Jim Furek coming. We hyped him up a lot because he's got a fucking amazing career. So boys, good work. Safe flight. You got to fly all the way across the country now, right? Yep. San Francisco to New York. Let's get it.

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spent much time with Jim Furik, Big Day, you just announced it came out, captain of the 2024 United States, President's Cup team, Montreal. It's going to be obviously a fantastic event, but welcome to the show. How's life with Jim Furik right now? How is it kind of, I guess give me the process of you actually finding out because I know there's a lot of courting. There's a lot of coming up throughout the years and you're kind of in with the crew. Does somebody come and knock on your door?

Do you get like an email? Does somebody call you? How do you find out you're the captain? Actually, with the Ryder Cup, I got a call from the president of the BJ of America. So when you get that, he kind of realized something's up. Here it was a little different. I was talking to, basically, I got the call from Zach Johnson and Davis Love. So they kind of tag teamed on this call.

And I guess in the last couple years, it's been kind of customary. So the last Captain Davis Love was the one to give you the news. And then got a follow-up call a couple days later from Commissioner Monaghan. So I don't know, I guess when Davis told me, I was extremely excited, but also was, you know, getting that call from a player is a little different. And I guess it felt more official when commissioner confirmed it and said you're the captain. But very cool. To, you know, have two friends, have Davis kind of give me the call and Zach be on there. It was very cool and, you know, excited.

I mean, I can't tell you the emotion. I guess it's just a lot of fun and an honor. to have two friends tell you it was really cool, so it was a great way to learn. Do you get a lot of, I know when guys win nowadays, we hear about all the congratulatory texts and they got 300 texts of your phone. Do you get like a million text messages once it's announced that you're captain of the team? Well, we, the announced, I've known for a few weeks, but, you know, with the announcement of being made this morning, I'm here at PG at Tor HQ and I went to lunch and peaked at my phone and there's a, there's going to be a long string of text to answer this.

afternoon or this evening. So a lot of fun. You know, when you win and it just kind of keep buzzing in and you hear from some, it's, it's really a cool thing. I mean, you're already exciting when we're in or this announcement, walk so many friends reach out is really cool. Awesome. I mean, I can't even imagine how cool it. So now what's the, you know, we hear a lot, especially over the last, I don't know, 10, 15 years for me, it feels like the team events, the President's Cup, Ryder Cup, have gotten so much hype. And we hear. a lot about how really it's just a full-time job. So for you going in, you know, you've got a little over a year, a year and a half now.

What's, like, how comprehensive of an effort is this? And how, you know, I guess how intertwined is it with the three or four months we've got now with, you know, the Ryder Cup hasn't even happened yet. Right. I think for me, like trying to get in front of the players and talk to them, you know, I'm going to let the Ryder Cup obviously pass through. or Zach Johnson's got us plate full right now and working towards Ryder Cup.

But for me, I think it's just an organization type thing. You're trying to get ready and prepare. The week of the event goes by so fast. It's a flash. So kind of the lead-up is really just preparing for anything that could happen, get your ducks in a row organized. This is a little different working with the PGA tour.

The PGA tour kind of having both sides of it, right? Both the international team and the American team. So a little different scenario than the Ryder Cup, but, you know, no complaints. I love the job. I love the opportunity. And as we get closer and a team starts to round out, captain's picks will be made. That's kind of when it becomes very real and it also times starts to fly by really quickly. I've got a question.

I hope this was an answer because I jumped in a little bit late here. What did you learn from Paris in 2018? I'm going to take a lot of lessons out of it. I think our teams for the last eight years or so are trying to provide a lot of symmetry as captains so that the players that make those teams each and every year kind of it's the same playbook, kind of the same process going through. I mean, every captain's going to do it a little differently, but we're trying to provide a lot of symmetry for the players.

I think there's a lot of things that we've done well as a team and that I thought went well in Paris for me, and then there's some things that I would definitely change. And one of the questions I get all the time are, What used to get all the time was, would you do anything differently? And I kind of, I chuckled at the question because you'd have to be a pretty arrogant son of a gun to say, no, we went over there and we didn't win, and I would do everything the exact same. Like, of course I'd do things differently. And we didn't get the result we wanted.

And I, you know, in hindsight, 2020, I wouldn't change quite a few things. But it's a process. And as a player, early in my career, I didn't really think about becoming a, a captain and then you start to play on a number of those teams and for a number of different captains and you see the way they do things differently and I started taking notes man if I ever had the opportunity you know I and I pulled a little bit of pieces from every counter and I played for and then had a chance to be a vice captain or assistant captain the events and and you start looking at things from a totally different perspective as a captain versus a player and you just

kind of wrap all that up in the one I definitely a lot of lessons to be learned and I'm looking forward to 24 of being able to apply some of those. It's always like a balance of how much the captain can really do, because at the end of the day, you set the lineup and the guys have to go play. Was it the picks that you wanted back? I'm not necessarily sure I wanted to picks back. The options I had in 18 were dealing with kind of horses for courses or the guys that we're playing really well right now,

and which avenue to go in. I think that picks are always difficult, and I think the hardest job for a captain, home captain's got to set up the golf course of the Ryder Cup. That's difficult. The next thing is really the captain's picks, I think, are the most difficult decisions to make and how to round out the team. I think some of the pairings, I think some of the guys that I played or didn't play, looking back in my mind, Webb Simpson was playing fantastic golf,

and I put him out there for three matches instead of four, maybe two matches instead of three or four, and I would have played Webmore. That's one thing. The golf course fit his game well. He was playing well. He should have been on the golf course more awesome. Man, they did it right with that golf course that year.

They just gave us that narrow-ass golf course with trouble everywhere. And it just was out. I was out there. It was my first rider cup I ever went to. And it was just they, you know, I think a lot of people, especially who tune in to just a few,

they tune into the Masters, they tune into the Ryder Cup, don't necessarily know all of what goes on behind the scenes and how imperative it is that, like you just said, Jim, that the home team, the home squad kind of gets to set up the golf course. And, you know, you kind of,

again, if you're kind of a casual viewer, you just think, that's a golf course. Like, go out there and play it. But I, that was, I felt like that year with kind of the qualities of our guys and the qualities of their guys

that they just nailed it that year. with kind of the setup versus the characteristics of our guys. I thought it was really difficult for Strick going to Whistling Straits because it's not your typical American U.S. golf course. Whistling Straits is a different animal in itself. And I think when I looked at that, you know, Strick was reaching out to the vice captains and what do you think about the setup? And my head was spinning thinking about trying to set up whistling straits.

So I thought he did a great job. but but trying to suit that golf course to your team is very very difficult because it's it's just a different different animal so talk to me about royal Montreal then I mean we've got are you gonna are you like trying to get in with the super early or you're trying you try you try you know you got any moles up in there up in canada and in part of our operation how are we kind of figuring out early on what's going on up there so a little different the president's cup the home captain isn't isn't setting up golf course. It's more set up by the PGTor, but I'm sure both Mike and I will be in the

tour's year a little bit. Hey, what can we expect? What are we going to see with the fairways? How heavy is the rough going to be? You know, you're setting this place up for a birdie fast, or are you trying to set up a more difficult golf course? The last time I was there in 2014, the golf course was set up with some pretty heavy rough. And Tim Clark won the golf tournament, one of the straightest hitters. I had a very good week, a straight hitter. So, you know, I look at like who played well that week. It wasn't your typical kind of President's Cup, you know, Birdie Fest type of golf course. But I'll go back to 07 and I have some fond memories of 07 and playing, but I'll go back to maybe some tapes and see what the golf course looks like then. Ask the tour what I should

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You know what? I actually even prepped myself for this question. After the very first interview this morning, I said, you know, let's go through this again and exactly. So basically, yeah, it's run by the PJ Tour. It's a PJ Tour event. If you're not qualified to play in a PJ Tour event, you won't be qualified to play in the President's Cup.

So it's come up a number of different times today, but that's kind of the answer I can give. It is out of my hands. The same is going to be true for both sides, whether it's an international team or the U.S. team, the same thing's going to be true. I got to ask you, because I'm looking. You obviously were the captain of the U.S.

Rider Cup team in Paris. You're going to be the captain of the U.S. President's Cup team in Montreal. Do you just enjoy... What's that? So are you curious how my French is? Have I ever... Are you just like a Francophile? If you just enjoy going to war against people who speak French, I'm just curious.

Well, if you listen to my speech in 18, I mean, my speech in 18 really came from. I was visiting kind of the Bordeaux region with my wife. My kids were with me and we hop in this cab. And the cab driver looked at me and said, you know, are you all Canadian? And I was like, you know, you're in France. You're not sure how, you know, being American is going to be taken. And I said, no, we're from the United States. We're American.

He goes, oh, my goodness. And then, you know, have you visited here? Have you visited there? And I was like, no, he goes, oh, you would feel right at home. And you've got to go. And this whole speech and, you know, just, it kind of, we realize how great of allies that we've been throughout the years for through different wars and that. That was my speech. I was trying to disarm the international crowd, the European crowd for out close, the French and the Americans have been for many years.

And so they scratched our backs in the Revolutionary War and we got them back in World War II. So there you go. It really, I do. Yeah, I guess my captain is happening in the two, uh, new largest French-speaking cities in the world. Uh, and I don't know a lick of French.

So, uh, maybe I have to a little bit of one the way. I'll say being in Paris in, in 2018, I was, I was, uh, pleasantly surprised at how friendly I actually thought the French were, because the reputation is that they're kind of dickheads to everybody.

But I always, I actually learned, you know, the very minimal amounts that you could go one or two exchanges of like showing that you're trying to speak a little bit of French. And then it would disarm them. I felt like they were actually incredibly nice. So I was pretty blown away about how friendly the French were. And the Canadians are known to be able to be able to. So I can just drop words like that right in the middle. I can't do that from this side of camera.

One day, get you off. One day. We'll get you off camera. Good, good story. In my opening speech, I wanted to drop one French line in the speech. It was written with maybe four or five, and I narrowed it down to like, I'm going to say one thing in French during the speech, just to show I'm trying. But I never really learned how to say it. So about an hour before I went out through the speech, I grabbed one of the waiters in our team room.

And I may have to sit down with me and teach me how to say the line. And about three minutes into it, he just started laughing. He goes, God, you're terrible. Like, this is awful. because you're butchering the language. I'm trying my hardest. You've got to teach me how to do it. He basically said I was hopeless, but he eventually got me there.

And I'm sure I but I'm sure I butchered it, but I at least got a little applause for the effort. The French is not a language that you can just like pick up quickly. Like you can't just say French. You're going to sound very, very silly. Doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense. So we got to talk to you about your golf swing. I was thinking about it a lot this morning.

And we're at my household. We're massive Jim Furrick fans. for the last 25 years. I appreciate that. Jim Furik fan, always root before. I remember the players a handful of few years ago. I think I guess it was maybe Rory's year when you were right there.

And I was pulling for you massively then. Your golf swing, I feel like you're buttering me up now and then you're going to draw a question on me right now. Like I feel like it's, it's going to come 180 after this. There's a lot of things I want to talk about with your golf swing. But I would say, uh,

I would say with your golf swing, I think you honestly might have the most, maybe the most recognizable golf swing in history. Like I think you and maybe Arnold Palmer, because I think obviously people were going to say Tiger or Jack, but I think if you put a silhouette of them out there without any other features, their swings are a little closer to conventional and people wouldn't necessarily pick it up as much. I think your swing, I think Arney with kind of the helicopter finish,

maybe the two most recognizable golf swings in history and yours over the last 20 years has been during the digital age. So people have seen it all the time. For you, too, I feel like your swing is really like, and perception-wise been helped a lot in the last five or ten years with, if you look at the top two players in the world now, like John Rom, obviously with his club foot history and the short swing is unconventional.

Scotty Shephardt, number two in the world with the footwork on conventional. Matt Wolfe three years ago when he kind of emerged on the scene, he was contending in majors winning events. He's got all that. Do you feel like with your golf swing and kind of the chatter about it, do you feel like over the last five, 10 years,

however long it's been, has been kind of perception-wise helped with sort of the evolution. of golf. And I'll add one more thing. At the Vidanta Mexico Open, they were talking about how Tony Fino and Rom both stand so close to it. And that's something that you were kind of the first guy. I mean, not the first guy, but you stood really, really close to the ball. Yeah. I don't think I, I mean, you look at Chi Chi, you look at Elite Trevino, you look at Miller Barber, you look at kind of the, you know, in the 60s, 70s, 80s, there was a lot of

pros that had a different look or a different type of golf swing. And then as, I guess technology grew as teaching grew, you know, everyone looks a little bit more conventional. Just for me, it was a massive positive early in my career. When I came out in my second year in my rookie year in 94, my second event was Tucson or I went to college. And I held the two and a three round lead, you know, tied for the lead after both days. And that's all anyone wanted to talk about. And I went to a meteor where we didn't talk about, I shot six under, how many birdies I made. It just was about my golf swing.

and it became a way that I kind of identified myself at an early age on tour, probably before I even really had a good record or played well enough, but people knew who I was, and it really served me well. And it was kind of a feather in my cap. And instead of fighting it, I just kind of embraced it, had fun with it. You know, the David Ferry, the, you know, what was it, octopus falling out of a tree, trying to beat a snake in a phone booth. I mean, he had some great lines.

and people were asking, doesn't that offend you? I mean, if you can't put fun of yourself, I mean, it is goofy, it's different. It's funny, though,

it feels like my swing to me feels like, you know, very much, like just, it feels conventional. Matt Wolfe said that. And then I look at the video and I go,

ah, it doesn't really feel like that, but, you know, look at this. Well, Matt Wolf said that too, like when he looks at video,

he can't believe it. Right. Right. Yeah. And I mean, I would say, too, it's, it's,

I think people, people because of that, it's great for the brand. Like you just said, if you lean into it, it's like you're known as the guy. That's a great. That's what you're trying to stick out. You're trying to get the Q score up, especially now. I mean, if you were coming up now with that, with the PIP money and everything, you kind of got screwed by that. You probably would have taken all kinds of PIP money being, you know, a little bit more well known for that. But I think people probably because of that, like you just said with kind of your first couple events when you're right in the mix, people sleep on your record. I mean, you got 17 PGA Tour wins. You're a major champion at the

U.S. Open. You shot a 58, which is the lowest score in the history of the PGA Tour and a 59. You are listed on the website as third all time on the PGA Tour money list. You would, I believe, be fourth, but they took Phil Nicholson off the list on the official website, which is pretty funny to be. But I think like that record might even be fifth off the DJ also. That record is unbelievable. I mean, again, I'm looking on the website. You are third all time listed on the PGA Tour money list. Jim, is that? Is that all? Hall of Fame record that we just read right off. I mean, we had a huge conversation

the other day. Like, do you, is there a, is a standard for how many majors you have to win or is a Jim Furrick career with the one in there, 17 wins, third all time and PGA Tour money? That's a Hall of Fame season. That's a Hall of Fame career if you ask me. Hall of Fame, man. Do you get a vote? I'm curious. I don't get a vote

here and I didn't get over the hub. It barely let us on the golf course, Jim. I don't think we're getting a vote for the Hall of Fame. But at the end of the day, I think that, you know, when you talk about criteria, I think it's just the eye test. It's just that guy at the end of his career was like a generational, really, really good player. Like in his generation, he fucking dominated. He had 17 wins at PGA tour.

That's all. I mean, that's so many wins on the PGA tour. I appreciate it. I appreciate it. I hope that day comes and I would be nice to, that would be a great call to get as well, right? And I wonder how that would work out. But, you know, I think there's some folks in the Hall of Fame that my record is very similar to, or maybe even a touch better,

but it's not, all I can do is go play golf. I hope someday that happens, it would be really cool. And, you know, Tom Weiskoff just got in this year. And unfortunately, you know, the great news is he got in. The bad news is, you know, you passed away before he ever found out. So if I were to ever get in, I hope I'm not dead. You too. I mean, I'm looking, I know.

This guy shot at 58, dude. This guy shot at 58. I went out. I played yesterday. And 59. I think he's only got to go sub 60 twice. I played I played golf yesterday. Really hard golf course. I played from the backs.

I played really well. I shot an 80 ball and hole. And like I felt like I could miss. I'm telling I had 34 putts. I knew we were interviewing Jim Fiericke. I looked at his round. He had 24 fucking putts in one round of golf to shoot a 58. Dude, I couldn't miss puts yesterday.

I couldn't miss. I was draining. I hit one off a worm. It turned left right into the whole 55 foot putt. It hit the worm. Popped up in the air. Turned left. Went right in the center of.

hole for a 55 foot birdie putt. I'm looking around being like, I had three birdies, a lot of double bogies, three birdies. And I'm like, how did Jim Furek have 24 puts? I mean, you're 10 puts on the front nine. What does I even mean, though? Like, what did that day feel like? I'm sure you've talked about a million times, but like, they always say like in baseball, the ball looks like a beach ball when the guys can't miss or like, you know, the hole in golf looks like a pool you're putting into like, is that what it felt like? Like, you just, it just felt easier. It's funny. I went doing that round. I hadn't been playing well for about a month. I've been hitting a ton of golf balls, trying to get my swing, kind of righted. And I was making cuts, but I was finishing like 50 or 60th.

I wasn't playing very well. And honestly, it just all clicked in one day, where I swing kind of came together. I hit a bunch of good shots. Both the 58 and 59, I shot beat under on the first side. But then at that point, when you're 8 under par, you have to start thinking, there's a Oh, yeah. Subsection watch in your head. And then it becomes a mental battle. And so, like, at the time, physically, I'm hitting it great. I had a, I hold an iron on the front side.

I hold a wedge on three, and then I almost hold an iron on seven, and almost hold an iron on nine, where they were just kicking. I mean, tap it's. And it, I don't know, you just, then it's honestly no different. People laugh when I say this. It's no different than trying to break 90 for the first time, 80 for the first time or 70 for the first time. And I remember where I was, how old I was when I broke 80 for the first time in tournament, and how old I was when I broke 70 for the first time in tournament. And

it really is a mental battle, right? Because you're just trying to get it in. Like, if I could just make some pars. And as soon as you think that way, it totally goes down by. Right? That's amazing. So breaking 60 was the same way. It was really just trying to, I think it happened so late in my career. I was 43 and 46 just because I was more mentally ready for it at that point. But how cool is that, that golf, like, you know, you broke 80 when you were 10 years old. You broke 70 when you were Justin Thomas walking right by. I got to go. I got to go.

This is bad. Hi. Hi, J.T. It's okay, Dan. You could go. J.T. actually is somebody that I was thinking of when we talked about your swing, Jim, of like, he's almost modernized your swing a little bit where he comes out steep and then shalls it coming down. That kind of reminds me of a little, like modernized version of that. I don't know if I close like that and create that power.

I sure would like to. Jim, I don't know if you realize what just happened. but on the title of this podcast now we're going to say 4 play episode with Justin Thomas and then also a guest Jim Furrick because you just popped in there right? We got to use... I'm just kidding.

I'm just the sidekick. I love it. Chronicle state. Okay, well then, how's that? I know a big part of your life now. A lot of your focus goes into the Constellation Furik and friends on PGA Tour champions. You and your wife, Tabitha,

I've done a fantastic job with the Furik and Friends Foundation. So talk to us a little bit about, you know, hosting the event and kind of how much effort, you know, you and your wife and your guys, whole organization, everybody puts into this. Well, yeah, we were doing a lot of charitable work around our hometown for most of my career, but we started the foundation 2010 and we had a celebrity golf tournament. JT's played in it, you know, brought some guys off the tour, some celebrities I've met along the way. and we were able to raise about a half a million dollars every year. And as I got closer to 50 and basically the Cormfairy Tour Championship moved to Indiana,

moved out of Jacksonville area, we just kind of wondered, like, would it be possible to host a Champions Tour event here at home to raise, basically was a way that we thought we could raise more money for charity. And in doing so, I kind of felt mad for my wife because I knew that I'd be on the road playing and I'd be out of town most of the time and she was going to have to shoulder, 95% of the work, which she does. And, you know, she hopped right in. I'm really proud of her.

So when you say, how much time and effort does it really cost me? Not a heck of a lot. The Tabitha does, you know, it's, she runs our foundation. She really sits over this golf tournament. And we have a nice staff of five employees. Tabith as a volunteer, but it's a full-time job for her to put this event on it. last year in our second event we were second year we were able to raise one point three million dollars our foundation works with uh like our local children's hospital we work with a lot of

different children's charities families in need and uh and also a little bit of the military outreach as well jacksville's a huge military town and and we play our event right next to n as jacks uh so we've partnered up a little bit um so yeah i appreciate you mention it and and uh if i could plug us just one time just say something to plug us last year we were voted uh the player's favorite event on the champion's tour so that uh that meant a lot so it was really cool to have my peers vote our our event their favorite and uh you know i'm not going to take any credit for it because i really don't do that much more that's amazing i love that i know you know over 71 million uh in career earnings i believe so it's always just impressive to me when when folks that have had success like you have

spend their time and effort and with their, you know, if in this case, it's with your wife to give back, raise money, help communities, help people, help children, everything. It's awesome. It's the best thing you can pretty much do. So I'm glad we got to mention it. Glad we got to plug it. And yeah, we really appreciate the time. I know you're a busy man.

It's a big, big, we, or big, I guess, a year and a half coming up for you. So, yeah, we'll be rooting for you. And this is now a, this is a Jim Furrick to the Hall of Fame stand podcast, right? I love it. I love it. Y'all going to either one of you going to be in Montreal? Oh, we'll be there. We'll be there. We love Canada. We love Canada. Sounds good. I look forward to it.

It's a lot of fun. We need some folks up there written for the U.S. Oh, yeah. We'll be up there. You'll be there. You'll see us. You'll see us up there. We'll be supporting. So we'll get you back on. We'll do some stuff with you before then. But good luck with everything. And yeah, we really appreciate the time, Jim. I would love to be back on. Thanks, guys. Thanks, Jim. Appreciate it.