Fore Play - JJ Redick Joins, and Phil Delivers An All-Time Bad Statement

Episode Date: February 24, 2022

NBA & Duke legend JJ Redick (00:44:12) joins on his regimented shooting drills, recruiting big names to podcast, and having a deep, deep golf obsession. In talking points, Phil speaks, Zach Johnson will be the next U.S. Ryder Cup captain, and we peel back the curtain on our Homa match content release plan.You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

Hey, 4Play listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Foreplay, I'm at Bristol Sports. We are live in Tucson, Arizona. We are together. It's myself, Trent and Frankie. Jojo left his home in Tucson, Arizona. I was just waiting for me to do that.

California grass. And we're here for the Colgarde Classic. If you're watching on YouTube, you see this professional backdrop that we have. We get in a bunch of interviews. we just interviewed Jerry Keller. We're going to put those out in the next week or two because we're banked with all kinds of phenomenal interviews. I think we got Derek Clark coming up.

We got Rocco Media, who we've never spoken to, potentially a couple more. Big thanks to Collegard for having us down here. And a quick note, if you're 45 plus, get Collegard, get a screening because you are 90% more likely to survive colorectal cancer if you detect it early. And if you detect it late, it's only around 10%. So nice little PSA.

They're doing great work getting that message out. Callagards obviously does a phenomenal job, allowing people to, in their own homes, have a screening, take a test, and find out if you are positive or not. So Jerry Kelly, he was awesome. And then we have JJ Redick in this show, who's obviously a megastar. One of the all-time legends of college basketball in Duke. I mean, all the time. Yeah. I mean, I told him when he was on the show and you guys will hear it.

But I remember, I mean, I was probably 14, 15 when he was at Duke. And he was just the most electric college basketball player in the country. He was shooting from distances that people couldn't believe. Now Steph Curry has like, he was Steph Curry, though, of that of college basketball then. You're right, right. And he was. Right.

He was just electric. And it was really, it's like a, not a full circle moment, but like having J.G. Rodic, J. J. J. Reddick. No, no. Tennis player? J.J. Reddick. Now having him on the pod after being like such a fan and observer of him when he was

at Duke. And I'm not a Duke fan by any means, but growing up in that era and watching him play, you couldn't help but catch the JJ Reddick fever. Top three Duke player of all time. Jake Bass is more of a basketball guy than I am. He's shaking. Duke is pretty deep when it comes to alum, and I don't feel comfortable speaking on that topic, but he is certainly one of great. Arguably top three. I mean, definitely top five. The guy is an absolute weapon on the basketball court. Fifty four free throws in a row. Yeah, he's fucking nuts. He, he's, He, um, 54, 116 Schmill, I think it was in career earnings in the NBA. Yeah.

Not a bad payday for our guy, JJ Redick. He worked his freaking dick off. Since the time he first shot at basketball to the time he stopped and he retired last year, he put every ounce of effort into that sport and you're going to hear him talk about it all. You've probably heard him talk about it a lot on his podcast, the old man in the three, which is a fantastic podcast. I've referenced it many times. You stole from them.

Specifically when I heard them talking about. You did kind of get away with stealing from them. It's not stealing. I just took it and elaborated it. You expanded on the idea. I expanded on the idea with Colin Morikawa and getting dressed up into your own, you know,

street clothes while you enter a tournament and go in the locker room and now Tony Feeneh out of it from me and refuses to say thank you. But you took it from them. No, they kind of just, you got to go listen to the auto. They didn't expand on it.

It was just like, you know, it would be pretty cool if you guys wore some outfits and he was like, yeah, that would be cool. So how would you eat today? And I was just like, no, let's, let's dig into that one. All art is inspired by other art. There's no, there's no original ideas out there.

Speaking of art, what do you, can we get the camera on this thing? Trent, when you look at that piece of art up there, are you able to, so we're on, we're on YouTube right now. You can't turn that camera? Wow. You can't turn that camera, bug? We're on YouTube right. Turn that camera.

We're on YouTube. When you look at that piece of it. of art right there what do you see trant that is a rhesus peanut buck up for sure there's just no doubt about it you know that's what it is what you think that thing costs too much to look like a rhesus peanut butter cup i'll tell you that but it's just funny like you know art shows itself in many forms it does man it looks like a nice savory piece of chocolate and peanut butter so j j jratt talks a lot about golf he's obsessed with golf he's a golf nut he messages us all the time about golf.

And we talk about getting into the podcast game and the media world and the awkwardness of him going from one of the guys, one of the players who people are always asking him for stuff to all of a sudden he's awkwardly like asking his boys. Who, by the way,

the guys that he's asking are some of the biggest athletes. We're talking about like Chris Paul. That's who he references in the interview. He's called my podcast. Yeah, it's just different level. He's another level, yeah. He's another level.

And we had a great vibe with him. He's a huge fan of the show. He kind of knows all the ins and outs and the inside jokes and the quest that each one of us have. So he was a phenomenal interview and then you add his pedigree and his background, his resume to the whole thing

and it's just awesome. So JJ Reddick, this show is largely about him. If you haven't checked out the Tommy Fleetwood alternate shot video from Tuesday night, make sure you go on YouTube and check that one out because it's an excellent video.

It's on fire right now on YouTube. On fire. It's absolutely fucking, it's flying. Well, we were watching the premiere last night on the drive back and it had, what, almost 4,000 live viewers? It's been up for 14 hours. It's got almost,

100,000 views. Yeah. People love that stuff. We're getting going right now. We're seeing a lot of good chatter. What? Oh, the subscribers. Oh, we're almost at 190,000 subscribers.

When we get to 190,000, we're doing our live stream on YouTube, PGA Tour 2K21. Trent and I are going to attempt to get a whole one. We got a whole in one. Yeah. Took 16 hours. Last time you took us? 16 hours it took us. We'll see what happens.

We're going to donate all the money to the first T program. So there's going to be a nice little donation on there. We did it last time. We raised already $2,000 just from the super chat on YouTube. I don't know how it happened, but it's in there. And we are going to try and raise as much money as possible. So $190,000, go fucking subscribe. You're doing nothing with your life.

You're driving on the way to work. Just subscribe. Please subscribe. And absolutely, pathetic existence to not just subscribe to a YouTube page. Please just watch the Tommy Fleawood video. You're out there. Fucking plumbing, fucking pipe.

Let's go. You've got to watch this YouTube page. And then another thing that we have to discuss on this show is the Phil Mickelson statement, which is, I would say, potentially the least popular statement that's ever been received by people. A lot of words, dude. An enormous amount of words. It came out yesterday, and I hadn't seen it yet. And we were in the car. And Frankie just turned his phone to me. He said, Phil Mickelson's putting out a lot of words right now. We're going to definitely get into it. I thought our guy, Brandl, who had a great weekend with Brandel. He lives up in the Greyhawk area now.

Does he really? Yeah, invited my buddies and I who were in town over to his place on Saturday evening and it was him and his wife Bailey playing hosts, cigars, scotches, drinks, maybe the best host. He's got a little chipping green. We're doing like chipping contests in the backyard. Just the best guy. He was a Florida, Connecticut guy, kind of going back and Orlando, and then they moved everything up to Connecticut.

He was like, well, I'm leaving Florida. And then he came back here, and I think he he commutes out to the studio in Connecticut when he needs to go for stuff. That's a, that That's a plane ride. It's a bit of a plane ride, but, you know, he would like to rather live in, you know, Arizona than Connecticut. Good for Brandel. Brandl had a perfect tweet on it. He goes through.

He says, just read Phil's statement. It's six paragraphs. The first paragraph set the stage for him being a victim. The second paragraph is him pretending to be an activist. The third and fourth paragraphs are about spin and damage control slash money. And the fifth and six paragraphs are him saying he's a good guy. It's so long. We got a lot to get into for that.

And then there was a players meeting. Zach Johnson was announced as the captain. He wasn't even announced. I think it just broke. It's been reported, I guess we will say, as the captain for the 2003 United States Rider Cup team. Really exciting for the boys. All three of us.

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Other people were upset that they don't know the result. Some people are saying, you know, please don't spoil that for me because I'm going to watch the full YouTube video. To be frank, we don't really know what's how we're doing. After each one of these matches, we have maybe a two-hour meeting, an impromptu meeting at the golf course after the pro leaves. And we talk about what do we think is the best way to do this?

and we've done it different ways each time. Now, if you go on YouTube and you subscribe to the 4Play YouTube channel and you look up the four man scrambles, you will see that many of them, I would say all of them, have monster views. So they're going to get a ton of views no matter what. We're just trying to maximize the experience for the people who watch our content. And I don't know if we have an answer yet because it's do we want to give away the result? Do we not want to give away the result? Do we even want to tell people we're doing it?

Or do we just want to surprise drop it? how do we want to do it? And like Rick said, we don't have an answer. We're just being very open about the way that we do these things. And what I would say is that a big thing that we've focused on in the last couple of years is highly produced a long form YouTube videos. The travel series, obviously the scramble, a few different like rounds videos where we did Torrey Pines and we did Bethpage Black and it includes drone footage and colorization that our guys do and highly produced stuff with interviews and audio that really makes these videos cool. We want to protect that experience, um, rather than somebody kind of finding out exactly what happened or seeing

a final pot through like an iPhone, like a, a, a, a blurry iPhone live pot at 18, like we were trying to, our theory and not putting it live the whole match and not putting out all the clips in real time was to protect that experience for the viewer on YouTube because those get millions of views. The Kisner match has 2.2 million views. Um, but we're also a very instantaneous culture now. and protecting the result of things is kind of psychotic. I mean, Twitter and everything is in real time. People want to know in real time. We talked about the match the week before.

Max is tweeting about the match. We're all tweeting about the match. But then we're like protecting the result. So we all are aware of that and spoke about that last night. And we were like, we don't really know what the fuck we're doing or the best way to do it. We probably should have just gone live for the whole thing and then also tweeted out social clips and then also do the highly produced video that will come out in like three weeks. but we don't we honestly just don't we don't know what do you think we made a huge mistake by so we always had the plan to do it after it was always going to be film this couple weeks go by we would have

put it out we're going to put it out a little bit earlier but then the players championships that week there all the guys are going to be there we're going to be covering that so the week after that we're probably going to put it out the problem that we had is that we talked about it too much and it became everyone wants to watch this match. It's a huge match. It's one of our biggest matches we've ever had. There's so much hype around it. Max Holmes is a Twitter guy.

He gets a lot of action. So, like, we did talk about it. We prefaced it. We were hyping it up. And then all of a sudden, it's like, all right, we're playing this match. We're here. We're live for a couple holes. So we were really just, you know, teasing people.

Edging them. Being like, here it is. Come get it. And then just pulling it back at the last second. Yeah. You know, just dry mouths. Just putting our hands in the pants and just, you know, at the end of the day.

At the end of the day, like, we shouldn't have done that. We should have just, I'm a firm believer now. At this point, I think now we can just blast these things on social media, take over the day. I mean, the clips I'm telling you guys, I'm not just saying to try to sell the story, to sell the video. The clips that are going to come out of this are all-time barstall moments. I mean, a barstall golf moment specifically, like just our greatest match ever, just the ups, the downs, the surging from a max homa. I mean, the things that happened were insane. The crowd.

At one point I stepped up to the T-box and there was a hundred people around the T-box, like patrons, all so gassed up because of how tight the match was. And it just got dead silent as I stood over the ball. And I remember thinking to myself, as I'm looking at it all being like, I'm in a Tiger Woods video game right now. I am literally like when you put an Oculus on for virtual reality and what they try and give you an experience, like a virtual reality experience, I was living it in real life. Like fans were watching and waiting to see where my ball was going to go.

And then I ended up piping a drive. The place went crazy. I picked up the tea. I walked back. I said, I just lived a fantasy. I literally lived a fantasy. So,

yes, that would have been amazing to show that in real time on Twitter. They would have fucking, people would have interacted with it. And like everyone would have seen it. It would have been a huge day on Twitter. But like, then you kind of spoil how amazing and all the

drama that happens on YouTube. So we are going back and forth. I'm leaning towards, just put it all out. It's going to get views regardless. People are going to want to watch. I think that's kind of what we agree. And let us know, message us. Tell us what you think.

And I think the general consensus will be, yeah, I kind of want to know like in real time. If you're going to preface that if you're going to say we're doing this match and we're going to promote it, you have to let us know what's going to happen because I want to know, I want to go on my group chat. I want to send DMs to my buddies about all the good shots. And then I also, three weeks. I want to watch the whole thing. I want to watch Max Oman in his cart talking about

it because we have him mic'd up. I want to see you guys interact with Max Ova. So I think we have to do it all. Or we just don't tell people that we're doing it. And then we're just like, hey, in two weeks, we have this fucking match with like, I don't know, Scotty Sheffler or something. It's just like, it just pops up right in your eyeball and you're like, holy shit, look at what's coming up in two days in two weeks. Like, I can't wait for that way. Then I think we have to put everything out. Yeah. Maybe we'll, we'll do. If we can just purely protect it, which I think is really hard, but I do think if we can do that. Because now we want the fans.

We want fans at every single lot. Oh true. The fans change the whole. We're just gonna fucking go live. We're gonna fucking go live, I think. And maybe not even just live just like just clips like crazy. Just a ton of clips. Yeah.

Because we are, we are trying to, we're living in two worlds. We're living in the YouTube world and we're living in the Twitter world. And we want to perform in both. And I think that we can. YouTube world helps our business as much as an open book as this has to be. The YouTube world is huge for us.

Like we need to be big on YouTube. And that is something that we really clear. What? You've been mean to people about. Yeah. And look, dude. Bro, we started. We,

I looked at the stats today. Don't get him right now. My back. We had like 30,000 YouTube subscribers in 2021 in the beginning of it. It's important. It's important. Dude, we've gained 150,000 YouTube subscribers recently, like in a recent time, like maybe two years. It's super important.

But what Rick said at the beginning is also important where we live in such an instantaneous culture. And specifically. the bar soul culture is very instantaneous. You do something. I was like to my stomach last night and not putting it out. You do stuff. You put it out. People react.

You react to that. It goes crazy. And you sort of own the days that you do these big events. It's the bar still world. Right. Absolutely. And we want to live in that world as well. That is the world that we live in.

So I think what we're coming down to and the conclusion we're coming to is just put it all out there. This match that we did with Max Homa, it's going to go on YouTube almost regardless because it's such a good match. He's such a big name. He's so relevant. Talking to the camera. It's all going to be great, and I think we just got to put it out there because I, Frankie's right. You got to own the day when you do something.

We would have owned Twitter yesterday. I agree. I think that's where we're going to go for sure. My biggest concern was protecting the full experience on YouTube for viewers that want that experience. I think it's tough to avoid it. If you follow us on YouTube and you're going to be that excited about the match, you're going to see the result most likely on social because the clips are going to be everywhere. But at the end of the day, I think it's a better value overall to just get it out there. Everybody wants to see it.

So that may have been a miss on our part. Like I said, we're trying to figure this shit out. You know us very well from us speaking into your ears every week for like five hours straight. And we just don't know all the answers. Do we feel comfortable putting a date on this thing? The 15th. March 15th at 8 o'clock in night. We're going to go live at this thing.

That's currently the plan. I will say we always have to change times because there's something going on at Barsall's. But March 15th evening. So we're going to watch this thing with you as a viewer and everyone listening right now. We're going to watch this. We're going to do a premiere. So it's essentially, this is my argument to some guy in my DM because I always felt respond.

He goes, he was like, how well does that sum of Frankie? This was my argument that I had with some guy in my DMs. Yeah. Basically, it wasn't an argument, but it was like, we were trying to, he was trying to ask, like, say, like, how are you going to let us know that this is happening? And then, like, you guys are live right now. Like, I want to know what's happening right now. And I was saying, thinking to myself like, well, yes, we made the mistake of letting you know, but why can't you just think that we're live on March 15th?

And that's just a fully edited, fully produced video. Like, we're literally going to push it live on March 15th. And you're not going to know the answer until that video is over. It's essentially live that night. You know what I mean? The Bachelor, everybody knows they're filming the Bachelor. It doesn't come out like in real time. You know that it's happening.

Correct. It's not that much different. You're not going to be able to fast forward the video. It's going to be live. So like, if you really want to watch the live experience on March 15th, it's going to come out. And it's going to be amazing. Like we're going to premiere it. The whole thing.

It's going to be live just like we're playing at 8 o'clock on, or whatever the time we're going to do on March 15th. Essentially, we're playing on March 15th and we're just going on line. And the reason it takes that much time, so people understand is, you know, our guys have probably 20-something videos right now to edit. Okay, we have, like we said,

we have 18 weeks straight of videos coming out from the Taylor Made Shoot Day. We do all kinds of other video series from Trent Breaking 100, Trent Breaking 90. We're going to add Fixing Frankie, the Riggsverse videos, the Daily Nine videos,

the scramble videos. And the scrambles take the longest, because we have drone footage. We have five, six people miced up. We have fans. We're trying to showcase the entire. They have to show each one of our shots pretty much. They have to get all the audio from the visuals and audio from the G0.

700 gigs from Max's cart, from our cart, from Trent and Frankie's cart. All this stuff has to, they have to digest the content after, you know, getting all in one place, digest it, understand it, come up with like a plan of how exactly to edit it, colorize it, all of this stuff. It just takes fucking time. And our guys work nonstop. So, and then also Players Championship Week, the PGA Tour asked us very kindly, can you not release this video during Players Championship Week? Because that's obviously our flagship event. We got live from coverage going on each night and then tournament play Thursday through Sunday. We said no problem.

We'll release it the following week. So March 15th is currently the plan. It's great news that we're in that arena where they're like, don't put that video out the week of our biggest tournament year, please. Too big of a video. That's insane. You know what I mean? This video is going to get so much action that they don't want it to take away from the players. It's a totally fair ask.

going to obviously abide to it. No problem. Yeah. No problem at all. If you're in the world of knowing about files and stuff like this, these guys are doing 700 gigs of video and audio. It's, there's also,

by the way, there's also a real chance that people don't give a fuck about any of this. No. This is very behind the curtain. Like, we're trying to talk it out. We have these talks in real time. But we're just trying to show you guys that like it is a production.

This whole thing. We try to put out as much content as we can. Something's getting the way. We don't do it right. all the time, but we're trying our best. And that's really just what it comes down to. And there's a part of me that makes me hard knowing that no one knows what happened yesterday. You're a sick fuck.

You know? Yeah, you're sick. Anyways, that's a plan. And that's where our head's at. So we're just trying to be open, fair, honest. And if we made a mistake, we're going to try to fix it next time. Yeah. Phil Nicholson.

Statement from Phil Mickelson was indeed six paragraphs long. KPMG came out and dropped him. They were the first company that dropped them. probably, you know, one of his biggest sponsors. When I think of KPMG, I think of Phil McElson. He's right on his fucking hat. Yeah. They're just right there.

Now they're gone. Four big letters, KPMG. Their statement I thought was sneaky scathing where they said, you know, we're severing, you know, we're amicably, or they use one of those words, separating, you know, our partnership with Phil Mickelson, we wish them the best. And they had a separate paragraph that was like, we fully planned to. continue our sponsorships in support of the PGA tour and the LPGA tour where we have a major championship so like they were very much like we are not in the Phil Mickelson Saudi camp we are in

the PGA tour camp essentially a pledging our legions to the PGA tour and the LPGA tour statement Phil is taking time away from golf I mean he's put himself on an island and the state I mean he's just it's really been a whirlwind of a month for for Mr. Mickelson what a fucking idiot What a fucking idiot Phil Mickelson is. How does this happen? And you know, you have to think if you go look at this guy's net worth, if you just Google what it says like four or five hundred million dollars. So for him to be in this situation, he and the phrase that everybody uses, that's starting

to become a phrase that I despise, but everybody uses that. He thinks he's the smartest person in every room he ever walks in. Yeah. But it is a very mean thing to say to somebody about somebody. Like there's no good connotation to that. And it's very clear that he's just not because he is a fucking idiot. And there's only really two ways that he could find himself in this position. One is that he's an idiot because he completely ruined his reputation and is losing sponsors

and losing his status on the PGA tour and losing all kinds of relationships just to get a little bit more money when he should have hundreds of millions. Or B, he's a fucking idiot because he's such a degenerate and been hiding so many things. about his life that he's lost all or in significant chunk of his money, which isn't, it's fuck you money that he has lost. It is not like, I understand somebody can go through $10 or $20 million. You buy a couple of the wrong homes. You give a few million to charity to a couple family members. You go out for 10, 20 years straight and you're always buying $10, $30,000 dinners or nightclubs.

You can go through that amount. Hundreds of millions of dollars to go through. You got to be a fucking moron. And Phil always claims with taxes and he's been on. record, you know, uh, being complaining, I would say about that. He's always calculated with the media. He's always telling these stories. He wants these stories to get out about being at the champions dinner and talking about certain fruits and the history of different food and what he knows. And so the smartest person in the room thing clearly seems to be, um, relevant, incorrect. Um,

and it seems like everyone is, is piling on on fill right now, but it seems warranted because what a moron, what, uh, uh, a crazy statement. where he only apologized to the Saudis. He did not apologize to the PGA tour at all. Didn't even mention the PGA tour, only mentioned the Saudis. He was clearly, it seemed more upset that the Alan Shipnuck comments that he made calling him scary motherfuckers going on about how they execute people for being gay,

going on about how they brutally murdered a journalist who was critical of the Saudi regime. Like, he in this statement comes off only, only, upset and mad at himself about making those statements, not about the statements of golf in general on the PGA tour. And what's crazy, and this is another great point I heard Brandel make, I think on PGA Tour radio, was his statement that, like, golf needs serious change. No, it doesn't.

What do you mean golf needs serious change? And another point Braynall made is like, go talk to any equipment manufacturer, go talk to our boys at Taylor Made. People are backed up for months trying to get clubs because everyone wants golf clubs. go talk to any private golf club in the country. There are now, their initiation fees are 5x, 10x, what they used to be.

They've got three, five, eight year waiting lists where three or four years ago, they couldn't get people to buy memberships. Golf is booming. And we talked a lot about the stars at the top level and how riveting they are and how much more exciting a lot of the tournaments are and a lot of the drama has been. Golf is fucking phenomenal right now. There's resorts everywhere. Every resort in the country golfers are from Pinehurst to band and to Cabot to StreamSong.

They're all adding golf courses because the demand is so high. Golf's phenomenal. The only thing that he's talking about and that's why he's coming off like such a fucking scumbag is him saying like golf really needs serious change because he wants more money because clearly he's fucked up his monetary status. And him using that, using all this other stuff as cover for his own idiocy with his own financials and wherever he finds himself. boy is that guy in a bad place and it seems like he should be yeah he is there's something else going on because like you said he is as calculated as you can get he's been the most like you know outside of tiger maybe the most calculated person in terms of dealing with the media and dealing with everyone and sort of how he wants the world to view him so for then for him to then make these comments and as stupid as they are and as outlandish as they are like why you got to dig a little deeper and like why is he doing this it seems like there's other elements at play it's just it's really kind of incredible how much he has torpedoed his legacy over the last 45 days and it's something i never thought that i would see and that all that combined makes you think as you alluded to that he just somehow fucked up his money and it's just now he's

throwing hail mary's and it's ruining the perception of phil mickleson jake hit the music a haiku Oh, Phil Miclinson You had a ton of money You really fucked up That's a haiku Is that your first haiku? Yes That's a good one

Thank you Are we gonna do different Poetic format I think so I mean we have to That was good Yeah Five75

You know Gosh Fucking around my Sorry Sorry at the haiku while we were the Arctic brahm or there's one of them that's um that that feels like must have taken less commitment to come up with that one yeah yeah but you know what helped is michelson has a lot of syllables in it yeah true but it hit just as hard yeah it did and

you know what that was uh poignant i'm upset about so mickleson because he's a lefty and he's an iconic guy and he's a he's been huge for the game of golf there's no denying that and all the stuff that he's done um in his private life and all the money that maybe he's lost and all of this bullshit that's gone on. Like, that's all horrible. And anyone that he's ruined, you know, there's all these stories about Phil and his gambling and all of this stuff. And you just don't know what's true and what's not.

And if he's ruined anyone's life, he's the worst person on the planet. There's been rumors forever that he's phony, Phil. Yeah, it is. The thumbs up and just there has been, but as a sports fan, you kind of just like take sports for what they are. And you just,

you have like blind allegiances to these guys. And because there's a degree you are aware. Nobody's perfect. 100%. So, there's always been that with Phil. and I mean, we're fucking the biggest Tiger Woods fans of all time. So it's like, you know what I mean?

We can't be throwing stones of glass houses. At the end of the day, he fucked up big time and it's sad to see because he didn't need to. He's clearly grasping at straws because he has something that he needs, right? Like he needs this deal. Golf doesn't need this deal. And it's become more evident in the past 48 hours that it's only a Phil Mickelson. This is like a hail marriage. by Phil Mickelson and he's

tarnishing and ruining his legacy which I'm I'm a huge fan of I love Phil Mickelson I love I as a golfer Phil Mickelson is one of the most fun people to watch on the golf course the lefty the thumbs up everything about it the just creative hitting balls backwards off of those crazy rambling goes yeah recklessly aggressive bending balls around the trees and iconic shots and masters championships and the whole thing it's just it fucking sucks that like because he wants to go to the Saudi league and get

all this money and he said this horrible thing about Saudis and, you know, it's just like, it's just, he's spiraling right now. And I feel like someone could, if someone could just grab him and be like, and Eam and Lynch, I think actually talked about this, which is when he speak, when he writes anything about Phil or anything, it's laugh out funny how he daggers them with every single word he writes. I don't know. That man is a thesaurus. It's crazy. He's amazing. Yeah. He requires a the source to read his. Oh my God. It's nuts. And he, I think at one point, I don't know if it was him or I think it might have been a tweet, but he just surrounded himself with

like just so many yes men. No one is shaking Phil being like, dude, you got a fucking, you can't put out these statements about when they execute gay people. Like you have to restructure the the PJ tour. You can't do that. There's no that you're not, you can't say that right now. You're Phil fucking Mickelson.

So it sucks that this is happening to him and I wish it didn't because Phil's the man and, um, it's an implosion. I think the latest He is absolutely imploding. From Aymin was implosion. And it's happening fast. And it's not even that he wanted the Saudi money.

It's almost worse. He wanted to use that to create leverage against the PG's course. And it's like, no, dude. I talked about this last show. Like, I was like,

oh, these guys want to make money. They want to do it. He's made me feel like it's, it was the worst idea ever created to ever even align yourself with those guys. And he's going all in on it. He really, this is the best thing that's happened to the PGA,

tour because of how bad it made any other tournament or any other league ever look is the best pGA tours looked in my lifetime in my life time they're running back to the pjure with open arms they're like please like we love you or kissing your feet this is the best thing ever like this i never want to leave this is amazing it's almost like if you're just a uh totally average boyfriend and then your girlfriend like breaks up with you goes dates a new guy and the new guy is just crazy crazy Staying out all hours of night. Mean. Yeah, right.

And all of a sudden, you, the ex, you're just, all of a sudden. But that new relationship started with, like, private jets and, like, going to clubs. And you're like, fuck, I can't, I can't provide any of those things. The PJ Tours just hasn't done anything. And it's just looking better. PJ Tours, Rob, buddy, Rob, just fucking just plucking away numbers and, you know, just doing the job now. I don't know if the PJ Tour is your buddy, Rob. I've heard, no, I don't, I love Rob.

I don't think the PJ Tour is your buddy Rob. But I think Riggs's comparison is the most app that you just, if you just don't, if you're not crazy and you're pretty set and standard and you're making golfers, professional golfers millions of dollars and you just kind of stand pat, you're going to be okay when a league comes around who has an incredibly shady and bad background. The PJ tour is going to look pretty good. Frankie, do you think if every time we reference your boy, Rob, that we could call him? Just get a lot of update on what he's doing. You can't even talk. I've never met Rob. I've heard all of the stories about Rob and he's one of my favorite people in the world.

I don't, I actually, like, I would be a little star-struck. You can't meet Rob, no. No, I don't want to.

I want to, but I don't want to. Maybe one day. Maybe one day. He'll never live up to your expectations because he's, it's, the legend of Rob is too much. It is just,

it's a gargantial. He knows about his legend a little bit? I think so. Yeah. But it's every night with that guy. It's every time I meet up with them is another story from Rob. It's just. Implosion, Phil Mickelson.

Implosion, Phil Nicholson. That's where we're at. He said he's stepping away from the game of golf, so who knows when we'll get him back. I did see maybe it might have been Danny Rappaport or DeCere. One of those two, I think, was treating. There's a possibility of the next time that we see Tiger and Phil playing in St. Turner could be the Masters, which would be, you know,

if the Masters doesn't already have its own. you know, hoopla and hype and excitement. Imagine what kind of weird tournament it could be this year if it's all of a sudden Phil and Tiger back. If you take three steps back, which is tough to do because you're dealing with some serious shit with all this. But if you take three steps back,

golf is, it's in the forefront of people's minds. In terms of headlines. Making waves. People over there. Like KFC Texas this morning. I know in KFC Texas, I know that it has gotten outside of the golf bubble.

Might be a one-minute man or something. Right. He just, he teases, he's like, this Phil Mickelson stuff. stuff is crazy. Let me say, overall, this whole Saudi thing has been awesome.

I mean, they're horrible. But from an entertainment standpoint, things to talk about in this golf show. Headlines? Drama around the golf headlines. Yeah. You're talking about some of the biggest stars in the history of golf, potentially aligning with one of the worst regimes on planet Earth. Like, what the fuck are you talking about?

What? Phil has done is going to earn him like booze or gears at golf courses? Yes. Is that the word I was looking for? Jeeers. Yeah, that's great. Yeah, I think it's been such widespread disapproval that it's going to... If he shows up to, if he shows up to Augusta National, you think people are going to boo?

Not everybody, but I do think he'll get some booze. Wow. He'll get some heckles. Heckles for sure. And just like with everything in time, it'll go away. I agree. If he just stays, if he just stops fucking tweeting and talking. But I will say too showing up at Augusta, that's sort of a big part of the reason Tiger return there in 2010.

It's a little bit safe. clean slate. A little cleaner. It's, you know, you're protected. It's Augusta. There's patrons. There's not fans. No phones. No bullshit. Right. So I do think that might be a little safer, but he shows up at the waste manager with a Honda classic or something like that. People go crazy. He might get some heat.

Speaking of heat, how about the stealth driver from Taylor-made golf? Oh, my gosh. A little more edging for you, but some of the drives we were hitting during that Max Homa video are just phenomenal. And apparently, a Rory McElroy video is coming out in a couple weeks where he shows us how to get as much. much power and length as we can possibly get from the stealth driver. It worked, dude. Boy, did it work. And boy did he hit some absolute atom bombs. That's going to be, I mean, you know what's actually crazy is that video might be fucking big.

I mean, that, that, we're not even thinking about that video and it's going to do, it might be bigger than fucking Max Home 1. I mean, it's Rory Macaroid. What are we talking about? Um, so yeah, the self driver is phenomenal. I was actually talking to, um, Dushain was texting me last night about it because he, his podcast just came out and he was just, you know, thanking us for having him on and just the nicest guy ever and he um was like how's that stealth driver really and it's like dude it just feels different like we had the sim two and the sim two was the best thing we had we had ever felt at that time and that's true we're not being like

we're not lying about that at the end of the day like you just got to go try this thing out yeah go to a pGA super store go wherever you got to go go try this thing out in a simulator go hit you're going to love it you're going to love the way the red face looks to in real life um there's something about like you can miss hit it and it still goes It doesn't spin off the club. It's just fucking goes, man. That's big for us, too. You've heard us talk about them, obviously,

but go try out the stealthy oven. I've seen a couple custom ones coming in because you can customize on Taylor-Mate Golf website. You can do that with your MySpiders too. The Spider-X, that's what I rock. It's really good. Tor response golf ball. I use that a lot.

I also use the TB-5s and the TP-5-Xs. I kind of mix them up because, you know, I'm a little bit superstitious myself. So if I pull out of Tor response, even though it's not the same price point as TB5, It's a phenomenal golf ball. I use it, play really well, keep that thing in play. Eventually, I played poorly, but that's not the equipment's fault.

Visit barstalsports.com slash tailor-made. Check out Taylor Made in Barstool Golf Gear. That is barstolesports.com slash tailor made. The new stealth. It's just phenomenal. Players meeting in Honda, I believe that was Tuesday. It was mandatory for the people that were on site. Commissioner Jay Monaghan spoke about the Saudi League,

said the PGA Tour is more about more than just money. and it's time to move past this entire thing. There's some talk about the fall season changing. Top guys want more of an off season. And really with the FedEx Cup situation now, they're kind of forced into playing some fall series events. Otherwise, you get way too far behind in the FedEx Cup standings. It's a lot harder to catch up.

And now they're such a big prize, $15, $20, $25 million, wherever the hell it is for first place that top guys don't want to get behinds and they don't really get an off season. Players want more transparency, which makes sense. Some rumors that the PIP results are going to be coming out as part of this. And then my favorite part is from Danny Rappaport, who said that Phil's statement dropped during the meeting. So tour officials were not prepared with a response.

Once the word spread, everybody obviously checked to see it. So I'm envisioning all these people with this, you know, required meeting at the Honda Classic players meeting with commissioner. And then it's almost like in succession or something like that when like news drops. Yeah. Everybody's a meeting. Nobody's fucking paying attention. Everybody kind of runs out of the room where they start calling their handler

and they're trying to deal with it. That's literally like what happened. They're like, holy shit. Phil Nicholson statement came out. So we'll see what really comes out of the players meeting. And then last thing,

before we throw it to JJ Reddick, which I really hope everybody sticks around for it because he's phenomenal. Zach Johnson, captain of the 2023 United States of America's Rider Cup team. Italy, Italia. He's going into Italy.

I had to feel about that. I feel great about it. I bet you do. feel so good about it he is he's more than deserving and i know you know we when we had him on the show you had alluded to having him back on to talk about a lot more and being like you know you're kind of maybe the favorite guy the rider cup captain you know maybe you or phil and you know we know what happened to the other guy and you think oh yeah phil's just that one good bye yeah and so yeah my guy's j jy i think even after that interview you know we all kind of had to come to jesus moment and we all

became ZJ fans and I think that's going to be great he's just you know a humble kid from Cedar Rapids Iowa who won the British Open he won the masters and now he's going to be rider cup captain he's got a street named after him in Cedar Rapids he's just he's a legend in my life and he's just a legendary figure now we get to sell those shirts with him as the astronaut yeah yes the captain and it's just going to be what's more American than being the rider cup captain and an astronaut nothing um how do you feel about uh your boyfriend uh your Boy, Kisner's chances of making a team that's led by Zach Johnson. I would say kids are going to be a couple years older, obviously.

Come in two years, he's already kind of high 30s. A big part of the reason I was pushing so hard, I thought that was probably kids' best chances this last year. It was a big part of the reason I was pushing so hard. I thought if he went there and played really well, then he would potentially have a really good shot of getting on the next couple of teams because of that. but I thought him winning a month or so beforehand, him having been on the President's Cup team

within the last few years, all those things, that this was going to be our best shot to get our guy on the team. I don't feel as good going at 20, 23. And all love the kids. Zach Johnson's like an old regime type guy too. I think he's by the book.

I think so too. He's not a new school manager coming in looking at the analytics. He's not going to shake things up like crazy. No chance. And again, all love to kids. We love him.

He's the best. But after that, dominant performance. Things are like, I think we got a blueprint here that things are going pretty well right now. Yeah, you know,

there's not as a strong of a case for throwing in a kids and your team guy, you know, which were all my arguments. Do you think we'll be in Italy? God, I would fucking love to go to the mother. Yeah.

Although I'm, I'll say we got to, I should probably start that process. Now we get to start schmoozing up to the European tour a little bit. Maybe go to a European tour of it. We've talked about, I mean,

the European tour, we love the European tour. They put out the best golf content on the planet, including us. I mean, their stuff is insane. They're right up there with us in terms of like interesting golf content. Did you watch the, not to give promo to someone else's videos, but they're a tour. The one yard fairway. Yep.

With Trial Hatton. Amazing. And they were just on a, it was like, oh, they were on a track and there was just a one yard. When you talk about a league. The guys had to hit drivers and see if they could land it on a one foot fairway. It was great. Tierahatton did it. It was

Spoiler. Yeah, whatever. Way to ruin it. We never do that. I think the video's been out for two months. We would never do that. It's been out for a longer. It's been out for a while.

Oh, I thought you said two weeks. Two months, I said. Oh, yeah. Something like that. I thought you said. Yeah, no, they were really good. When it comes to actual leagues that, like, do videos about their players,

there's no one does it better in the European tour. You know what I mean? The NHL was getting there with those 24-7s leading up to the classics and stuff, and then they got so watered down. You know where you can find them anymore. Yeah, because all the oldies now, they've, what they've tried to do is, hard knocks, I guess. All that they do is they try to adapt or adopt the lingo of the cool people on Twitter.

So, like, they'll be like, oh, this guy's really in his bag right now. Yeah. And they'll say those things, but they don't actually put out interesting content. But dude, like, the, like, because they get access to all the guys, because the guys are there for a tournament. So, like, that, um, anger management class, like, they had all the guys there. And instead of doing some dumb photo shoot or some interview based, whatever, video. content, they decide to take their time with all 10 players and make a fucking funny sketch, like an national sketch.

And that's like, that's a really funny thing. Like, we don't get, we don't get, we don't have the guys showing up to our tournament where we get 15 guys. So I'm glad that one of the tours or one of the tournaments actually do it. We love them. Yeah. I do think, uh, they, so the way it sort of operates when it's in the U.S. It's, uh, you know, U.S. Rider Cup, PGA of America that kind of run the show.

Like pretty, they get almost full. like priority and control. And when it's in Europe, the European tour gets like full kind of control. So we got to, again, we schmuse them a little bit, you know,

we'll keep pumping them up and then work our way in there. We'll be in Italy. That would be crazy. You in Italy, we've got to do a whole couple weeks. Let's go. We can't fly all the way over there and be there for like three days.

No, we got to go. Maybe we'll go see where, where's the, where did the Borrelli start? Yeah, find where, yeah,

we'll trace it all the way back. Trace the, It's got to be a Borrelli in Italy. My grandpa came from off the boat. Elis Island. The whole thing's a farce, if not. Ellis Island. Got his head shaved because they thought he had lice.

Congratulations to Zach Johnson. Couldn't happen to a better guy. Shout out to Iowa. That's right. Way to go, Zach Johnson, captain. And then JJ Reddick. This guy's the man. This was an excellent, excellent, excellent interview.

So big thanks to JJ coming on. We are going to follow up like we talk about at the end and make sure we do a lot more with him. but enjoy J.D. Redick, absolute legend. All right, folks, we're joined by a very special guest, someone who's been on our radar for it feels like a year, a year and a half. We've been talking J.J. Redick about coming on. Big golfer, obviously, unbelievably accomplished basketball player,

Duke in the NBA forever, now in the podcast games. I feel like we've got, we just got a lot to talk about with you because you're all over the place. But welcome to the show. You said it was a treat to be on with us, which, again, I think Trent articulated not perfectly, but it makes us feel weird that you would think it's a treat to be on with that.

Well, no, it is. Obviously, I'm in the podcast space and I have been for a long time. And I don't listen or watch to a ton of other podcasts, but I follow you guys and I watch, I listen. I love what you guys are doing.

And legitimately, I say this. Like, in this space, you guys make some of the most entertaining stuff on YouTube. And I'm always watching. So I appreciate what you guys are doing. Wow. That's amazing. How did you find us?

Thank you. Thank you. I think that's for everybody back a second right there. All right. Podcast's over. That was awesome. That was a lot of fun. That's our new intro.

How did you find us? Is it just golf? Was it barstool? How did you find us? Well, a little background here on the golf thing. So I played a little bit when I lived in Orlando. I started dating my wife in like 2008. and pretty much stopped playing.

I mean, I was all in on basketball. When I moved to Austin in the offseason in 2013, I also signed with the Clippers. So I was in a warm weather place in the summer, warm weather place in the winter. So I got back into it a little bit. And then from 2015 to 2020, I literally played one round.

I was in 2018 at Friars Head, which is an entirely different story. And then when I went to the bubble in 2020, I brought my clubs because there was literally nothing else to do. I didn't want to be stuck in a room the whole time. So I played a few rounds there. And I was like, oh, man, I forgot how much I love this. So I played a few times in the fall.

And then last season, my last season, we could not leave our apartment. We could not leave our hotel for a good two and a half months of the season until we started getting vaccinated in April. So I was, and my family was in Brooklyn. I was stuck in New Orleans. And I was fucking lonely. And I came across. a bunch of golf content on YouTube. And that's like I say this legitimately.

That's what got me through. Literally watching you guys play fucking golf with kids, all your four place scramble shit. And then I started I booked a trip to the Monterey Peninsula. So I started watching all the, the golf digest every hole at Cyprus, every hole at Pebble. And it was legitimately golf content that got me through my final season.

in the NBA. And then once the season was over and I got back to New York, we went out east to Long Island. And I've just had the bug ever since. It's literally all I think about. Yeah, dude, your tracks that you play are world class. And it's amazing that you're just getting into it. I message you all the time. There's no chance you're at Sabonic right now. There's no chance you play in Chinatoc. It's every other day you're at Sabotic. I've never seen anything like it. So I'm a member of a course out there. And you guys, you guys are welcome to on any time and play. I'd love to host you guys. But I'm not a member of Sabonic, but I have a number of friends that are. And it's a great place. We do Friday night dinners there with our member

friends, with the family. So I'm lucky, man. I really, to be, I would consider myself to be a beginner to intermediate golfer and to just get great invites to places. I don't take it for granted. I really don't. And I know how special these places are because I'm, I'm like anything I get into, whether it's basketball or watches or wine, now golf, I'm a nerd. I geek out about stuff. I'm into golf course architecture. I'm into the history of the clubhouse. So when I go to visit these places, I realize I'm walking on, I'm walking on historical ground. And I don't take it lightly at all. It's funny, man, because we, you were talking about going to, you know, if you go out to Monterey, you're looking at every course, you're trying to take the flyover. I just had my boys in town this past weekend.

We played a bunch of Arizona courses, and every hole we came up to, they're like, oh, I remember this from the flyover. And about Sabotic, it's such a private place. It's really hard to find anything. But they had the women's U.S. open there, and I think 2013, and I remember before we got invited, we were going to go play in like two weeks. And I just watched the highlight tape, everything I could find from the 2013 U.S. women's open. like 15 times. I was so jacked up for the golf course. It's interesting, though, because no matter how many times you watch something on YouTube or, you know, yesterday and Saturday, I watched all the coverage of the Genesis.

And you can watch it, but you don't really, it doesn't capture it like an in-person experience captures it. There's really nothing like being on a golf course. And so much of my addiction, honestly is I spent 30 years trapped inside gymnasiums and hotel rooms and buses and locker rooms and planes. And so for me, it's it's like this spiritual experience of being out and walking outside in a beautiful place with my buddies, with friends, having some action. It's spiritual. And the physical component of being on a golf course is just awesome to me. Yeah. When we first went to the 2017, Trent and I went to Augusta to the Masters for the first time. And the Tuesday practice round, we just bought tickets for like, you know, resale tickets

for like $700 and just walked on, checked out the car. And I remember you're right because you know every hole. And they had at that point, they'd had the Tiger Woods video game out where you could play every hole. So you literally had like you knew it as well as you possibly could. And then when we actually walked on site, I remember us being like, oh, that's how this kind of relates to that. And you can see from, you know, the 18th green.

if you look down, you can actually see all the way down by like seven green and two green and how they all actually come together and how, you know, what holes you can and can't see from different spots that you had no idea from the actual TV coverage because you really just see the same camera angles over and over again, that actually seeing how it all kind of flows and what parts come together with other parts. It is a totally different experience, even though it feels like you know something really well. So I, you're just a golf nut, it sounds like. Well, I would say that place specifically, and there's a lot of courses. that are like this, but the routing of that is just genius. The routing of that course is genius.

And the thing that TV doesn't capture is the elevation changes. Those hills are ridiculous. Like number nine, I had no idea until I was on the property that that fairway has that steep slope that goes down. And then you're hitting back up into the ninth green, which is not an easy green. And the pros, I mean, they just make it look effortless. But yeah, watching on TV, it doesn't quite. quite capture just how hard that place is. The mound on 11, right in front of the green, you actually, when you're standing on 12, like behind 12, you can't see the golfers because the mound is so high that you, like, just see their heads walking around. You're like, there's no way.

And then you remember that mound pushes all the balls, like, off there and into the pond. It's insane. It is. It is. Yeah, I remember Rory, like Rory walked by and he just disappeared. Like, where did Rory Moundlero? He was just right there. And then the mound, the mounds to the left of the end.

eighth green too you cannot believe how big those are and just again seeing all that actually in real life and it's so bizarre that it wouldn't be captured that you can't actually grasp that the the slope on 10 how severe 10 is just going down that hill is I mean they call it a ski slope but you're up there like oh that would actually be a really tough ski so I might kill myself going down that thing what's your hardest hardest hardest hole in the course right there number 10 hardest hole in the course I'll die on that hill I'll die on I think traditionally it is too but you're yeah I mean I mean, I'm getting the feeling you played out there. Is that what's going on here?

Well, so here's the thing. Here's the thing. I can either confirm nor deny that. Yeah, that's right. I just doesn't want to get killed, but here's a little precursor to maybe I've played. No, I know. I'm just saying I've been on property. I did an article.

I did an interview for golf.com recently about my golf addiction. And it is an addiction. It's a problem. My wife will attest to that. And I mentioned some courses that I had played, and I'm not going to name which course, but one of the courses, I guess, was upset that I mentioned that I had played the course. So I've learned my lesson from now. At least Sabonic is fine.

I'll talk about Sabonic because they're good folks over there. But yeah, I'm going to play some New Jersey. Is it in the U.S.? Let's just narrow it down a little. You know, I've only played courses in North America. I've only played courses in North America. Is that true? Yeah, I've never been, I've never done like, because I, again, I wasn't into it until

last year. And like, I've never done the Scotland, Ireland thing. New Zealand, that's on the bucket list, of course. But yeah, I've never, it's like Mexico and the Caribbean and the States. We did Australia two years ago, three years ago almost, two and a half years ago. I can't believe it went there. That feels like a. I think sometimes on my phone the pictures will pop up like your phone will send you old like hey remember when this happened on this date and in one I was just standing in Tasmania.

And I was like what do you what do you mean that we went to Tasmania? That's definitely the craziest place I've been and I will ever go. But the golf is great. How often do you guys get? I'm going to say something and I just wonder how often you get this comment. And the comment is you guys live the fucking life. Like I'm so jealous of. of what you are able to do.

It's, it's, it's amazing. Uh, I think anybody who's into golf looks at what you guys do on a regular basis. And you're like, fuck, why not to think of this? Uh, a, I can't believe you just said that to us. It feels really cool. B, we, I do, that's probably the number one comment that we get is, or, you know, at least me. And I'm a lot because we go to the Barstool Classic.

So I do kind of chit chat with golfers in person all, the time and that's definitely the number cut i think that's probably right i mean if you like if you like the shit that we like which is playing golf checking out new places uh hanging out with like your buddies then i don't know that it gets much cooler than what we did for a living tomorrow tomorrow we're going to have a huge match against max homo who's like top 35 rank player in the world and we're out there i mean that's like a big challenge for us a big uh professional challenge we're trying to defeat Max Oman tomorrow. It's a crew of four.

So that's pretty ridiculous. That is ridiculous. Where are you guys playing? Are you lied to say that? Playing a course, yeah, we're playing a course probably about 40 minutes, 35 minutes south of Scottsdale called Auction Southern Dunes. It's actually really like, it's a really good course. They have a lot of, they do a lot of qualifiers for different tournaments and whatnot there.

So it's got some pretty good pedigree. But it's in, I think, Maricopa, Maricopa, Arizona. There you go. So all these guys are flying out or already have. have flown out. I live out here, obviously, as you know. And then we're playing them tomorrow afternoon. So it's, it's amazing. It's amazing. I would also say we treat it similarly to how you talked about playing these iconic courses like Sabonik. Like it's not lost on us that we live one, like a preposterous, like we just, we get to go play golf all over the world and that we video it

and that's our job. So I think we treat it in a very similar way. I think people think sometimes that we don't realize how lucky we are, but I guarantee. a lot of the conversation we have, we're like, this is just fucking insane that we stumbled into this. Yeah. It's one of the things we don't want to lose for sure. I mean, like one of our biggest viral moments was at the President's Cup in Australia, people saying that we're a bunch of fanboys and old golf media going after us and that, you know, we're standing behind the 18th green and we're giddy that we dapped up Tiger Woods.

And like, for me, I never want to be the guys that don't get giddy about going to a golf course or dapping up Tiger Woods. I always want to be that immature child because that's like what our brand is. We are like the immature boys that just like to go out there and just fucking have fun. I'm never going to act like I'm like imagine like going to a place like Sabonik and just being like, oh, hum, I'm supposed to be here. No, when I went to Sabonik, I literally was like crying. I was texting people being like, you wouldn't believe where I'm at. Look at what the vending like area looks like, like the food area looks like.

Look at these snacks they have. Can you believe they have these little pre-made snack? I was going crazy about every little detail. So, yeah, no, there's definitely some people out there that act like they were born to be in those positions. And that makes me, like, sick to my stomach. Well, you bring up a great point. And it goes back, it kind of ties into what I said about, you know, towing the line about, like, talking about the places you played. And it's like this old school versus new school thing going on in golf.

And I think you guys have captured it so well. And I think that's why you have the following you do and the fans that you do because there's a lot of people like me, like yourselves, who just enjoy the game. There's there's a funness to it. There's a sense of whatever the opposite of entitlement is, that's what I feel about golf. You know, there's no entitlement. And there's a faction of the old school that probably feels entitled and wants to put up barriers and wants to put up walls. And then the new school feels how do we make golf fun? do we make it more accessible?

Obviously, we've ridden this wave now for 25 years of Tiger Woods and now all these new young players that have come along and have not the same following, but the same sort of fanatical, you know, fandom that Tiger has. And it's great for the game. Like, this is how you grow the game. This is why the NBA is what it is, because it's fun, because players are accessible. And I think what you guys are doing is a big part of that movement. And it's great for the game.

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your job was to score baskets and play a game and be and fucking be one of the best like that we got to watch our generation that's fucking awesome you were so you were such a monster at duke and you had a obviously great NBA career as well but I remember like growing up like j.J. Reddick at Duke is a motherfucking sniper. Was that love always there like every day lacing it up? I don't think I don't think I would have done it as long as I did without the love because it's not just going. going out and performing in front of 20,000 people. There's so much that goes into it. And look, I'm six foot four. I'm a great athlete, but relative to NBA players, I'm not on the,

I'm a below average relative to NBA players. I've got a negative wingspan. So what was required of me to compete at that level for 15 years and do it really well, I had to put so much into it. And I put so much into it because I fucking loved it. You have to understand, like when I was a kid, I homeschooled until fifth grade, and I would get my work done by like 11, 1130, and I'd just go shoot for hours over and over in my backyard. And what it was for me was every time the ball would go through the net, I would get a little dopamine kick in my brain.

And so I got addicted to that. And as a, you know, even late in my career, 35, 36 years old, I'm going to the gym in the offseason six days a week and shooting for an hour. I'm going every Sunday. I had a off-season routine every Sunday I'd make exactly 342 shots. And I had this routine down. And I loved it, man. And I never, ever took it for granted. The guys that last are the guys that think I could lose my job anytime.

I know I've got a guaranteed contract, but somebody's coming for me. And I just, I loved the work. I loved everything that went into it. I loved being part of a team. That was for me being, again, a person that grew up in the woods and the stick. and I was homeschooled, you know, playing sports and being a part of a team was the thing that developed my personality, developed my ego, developed my sense of identity. And, you know, I was so introverted as a kid. And sports and basketball, they just brought out who I really am.

And yeah, I loved every minute of it, man. And honestly, though, I would say this, my last year was so hard. I talked a little bit earlier about all the things that went into it. It was so hard. And part of it was being away from my kids. And my kids getting older. They're now seven and a half and five, five and a half, two boys. And my last year, there were moments where I was like, man, I don't know if I love it as much as I used to. It's probably time for me to retire. You know, I kind of knew going into the season even like, it's probably time.

There's other things I want to do with my life. And really being a dad now full time has been more rewarding than anything I've done in my life. And what made you jump into the podcast game or gave you the idea? Because to my knowledge, you were one of the first athletes to really do that. Now you see that all over the place. But you, to me, stick out as a guy who decided early on, like, I'm going to do this after my career and even partially during my career. What made you decide that that was going to be something you wanted to do?

I had no idea what I was getting into. When I started my first podcast, which was with Woge at Yahoo, He had a platform called The Vertical. So it was the vertical with JJ Reddick. That was in 2016. I think I launched, yeah, six years ago, February of 16. And I had no idea what I was doing. Woj asked me to do it.

And I said yes. And I did 40 episodes and I was burnout. And I took a break for about a year. Then I signed with the ringer. It didn't have to be a weekly pod. So it gave me a little more flexibility. And then when I decided to launch my own company and launched the old man in the three from the bubble,

that was months of planning. And it really was just like, all right, how do I build something on my own? Because it was awesome to be part of Wojus thing and it was awesome to be part of Bill's thing. I had a great experience at both places. But it was more like, how do I build something on my own along with Tommy, of course, Tommy Alter,

my co-host and business partner. And for me, that has been awesome to, because it's, in a way, you're like an entrepreneur, You know, and we do a lot of stuff outside of just putting out a weekly pod. And so, you know, those weekly calls that our team does, like, it's fun.

It's rewarding. It's awesome. And that's why, honestly, that's why I kept doing it even in retirement is because having your own thing, that means something that you're putting out, that you're making content. It just, it's awesome. I love it. Do you think a big part of it is that it's so different from what you had done kind of your whole life? I mean, working on your body and your in your jump shot, your free throws and in the team aspect. And then, you know, you got this whole other focus in your life that is, you know, a company and

there's finances and there's, you know, views and downloads and content. And we're trying to structure an outline about how we're going to talk through this. Like, do you think a big appeal is that it's just launching yourself into something completely new or that it was launching yourself into something completely new? Yeah. Again, I totally. 100% yes. but it wasn't planned.

It wasn't planned. Like I said to Trent, when I got into it, I had no idea what I was doing. I had no idea that six years later, I would still have a podcast that I was doing weekly. Same. Yeah, you just don't know. And because we always say that we talk about this a lot on our podcast, not with our guests, but we talk about a lot when we do our 15-minute intros. We've done two live shows. We did one in Brooklyn.

We just did one in Boston. We talk about this a lot. You can't have a podcast without an audience. you think about all the podcasts on Apple. I don't know the exact number. It's an insane stat. It's something like 90% of all podcasts on Apple have one episode. And so a lot of people want to start a podcast, but if no one is listening, it's discouraging.

And so a lot of people stop. And so we could not, Tommy and I could not be doing what we're doing if we didn't have, number one, we have to have great guests and we have great guests. and we've got access because we've got friends across the league. But we have to have an audience. We have to have people that want to listen. And I'm constantly aware of that. I'm constantly aware of that. And so when you talk about those meetings, a lot of it is strategy, vision.

What is working now? What is not working? How do we think about six months from now? How do we think about two years from now? because without momentum in the podcast space you're fucking lost

there's just too much it's too saturated there's too much content it's true it's so true do you amazing it was it um was it or is it weird for you at all to be sort of

in terms of getting gas and asking guys to come on the show uh is it weird for you to or do you ever feel a little bit like you're on the other side of it now right like you deal with the media your whole fucking life and you guys probably had your little inside joke and your chirps and people are asking you and pulling you all directions and now you're kind of like hey man like we you well it's so funny because my experience as an athlete my whole life and this goes back

to when I was a teenager is my whole life people have asked me for things I'm the one that's always being asked. And to flip that and now be the one asking, totally uncomfortable every time. Like Chris Paul, one of my best friends in the world. We just had him on the show. And we were planning this West Coast trip. Dreymond, I went on his show and we did a home and home. So I was like, Dre, I want to do it in person.

Here's the dates. He's like, great. I said to ESPN, I'm going to be on the West Coast. Let me do two studio days in L.A. great. So we're like, how do we make this trip worthwhile? So we're like, why don't we try to hit CP in Arizona on the way back from L.A.? And even just sending that text to him felt it was nauseating. And he's my guy. I knew he was going to say yes. But I don't, it's so, because I know how it feels to always be asked, it's weird now to ask my friends or ask other players. I mean, a lot of times if I don't know the guy, like I'll go through the agent. That makes it easier. It's easier ask to ask the agent because that's what they do. They ask. They ask. their client something. But to text my buddies and be like, hey, man, I need you to come on the pod this week. Yeah, it's super weird. It's same. I mean, we're obviously, we come from completely different backgrounds, relationships with these people. But, you know, we try to establish relationships and

friendships. And we've done a great job with that. And a lot of the guys that we do, you know, have on are genuinely awesome fucking people that we love having on. So we stay in touch of them. We'll DM them or they'll respond to one of our videos or we'll text about how they played. And then there's always that moment where you go from texting. as like buddies to like oh by the way like can you come on the podcast tomorrow at four and it's like oh were you doing all this just to hook me on the show you know you always feel like you're you're flipping the script a little bit and you don't know how it's going to be taken i agree i feel uncomfortable every single time i've ever asked i feel uncomfortable about um speaking of speaking of the NBA

we're just coming off the all-star game we watched step curry makes 16 3s score 50 points as a fellow sharpshooter what do you see when you watch step curry like what makes him Steph Kerr. He just seems like he has reached such a level that it's it's almost he's like an alien. Yeah. I've said this before. Look, Steph is the best shooter and he's not really, it's not really close. When you think about the greatest shooters ever and it's pretty definitive when you talk about volume and efficiency that it's Steph, Ray, Reggie, Kyle Corver, Clay Thompson. Those five guys are the five best shooters ever. And you could, you could. talk about Kevin Durant, Steve Nash, Dirk Novitsky, all these guys.

But those are the five best. Steph is in a different tier. The reason is those other four guys, a lot of it was catch and shoot. A lot of it was off movement, off pin downs, off floppy action, in transition on a catch and shoot. Steph shoots threes every which way.

Off the dribble, off the catch, off dribble handoffs. So there's no one that does it like him, but watching him, and you saw this last night at the All-Star game, I say this all the time. He has tapped into a higher level of consciousness. Like, whatever that flow state is, he is able to get into that more frequently than almost any player I've seen in my lifetime. And when he had this slump, you could see it early on. He was 16 away from the all time record.

And you could see it like in his body language. Like he's unflappable to me. When I think of Steph and I think of the playoffs and and the Warriors runs and playing against him, he's unflappable, like make, miss, it doesn't matter. He's just like next shot, next shot, next shot. And he went on this like four to six weeks lump where he would, you know, his stats were good, but it wasn't Steph. And you could just see it in his body language, like something was weighing on him. And I really had never seen that before.

Wow. Have you golfed with him? He's a stick. Well, so I, I had a foundation in my hometown. I ran a golf tournament for three summers, and Steph came every year to the golf tournament. So I didn't golf directly with him. And my brother ran the event for me, and we'd joke about this all the time. But like we had Steph Curry at our event in Roanoke, Virginia.

And he was like a good player. And I think the last year, like he had maybe made the All-Star game. But looking back, we're like, fuck, dude. We had one of the two greatest players of this era, like at our golf tournament in Roeux. Dono get bali hack. It was, Adele came, Seth came. But yeah, I haven't golf with him yet. I haven't, a lot of the best NBA players, you know, it's J.R. Smith, Andre Aguadala,

Steph, of course. Kyle Corver's good. Kyle Lowry's good. Kent Baysmore's good. I'm probably missing a couple guys. Jason Tatum's good. Doug McDermott's good. I haven't played with any of these guys.

I've played with some guys like CP that are hacks like me. but the guys that are really good. Now, I haven't played with any of them. How was your game? Oh, yeah, we can go to that for sure. You know, I got to a place. So I didn't really have a handicap, but I had inputted like five scores

over the previous like 12 months so that I had a number. So I started, when I started really golfing last June, I was like a 20, 21. I got down to a 14, and I felt pretty strong. I was consistently shooting 86 to 89. And then since the summer, I mean, it's hard now.

I go to Five Iron and I'll hit balls at Five Iron. But I literally haven't done that in almost two months. I played, like I said, I played a good course a couple weeks ago. And then I played over Christmas in the DR. Good course. Yeah. How many courses are in the good course list? Yeah, that's true.

Hold on. I don't even know. I think I, do I still have it in my desk? I put it. You know, so I literally I printed off at the, no, I printed off at the beginning of last summer. I printed off the top 100 list. And obviously there's top 100 golfcourses.com. There's golf.com.

There's golf digest. There's a bunch of different rankings. I can't remember which one I had. But I printed off the one that was most closely associated with classic golf course architecture. And I was like, fuck, I'm just going to start, you know, tallying up, how many I hit. it's it's it's that collector in me like like watch his wine like it's and and there's i'd say this in the golf dot com or there's guys in the golf world that collect golf memberships you know there's guys that are members of cypress pine valley uh augusta a hoopie i mean you just go down

you know shinicog and they just like that's what they do they collect golf memberships so for me it's a different tax bracket yeah it's a different tax bracket 100% um but you know for me it's like It's that I want to play this. And again, you guys talk about that giddiness. Like the giddiness, whether it's Sabonic, you know, I played wingfoot a couple times, like the giddiness driving from my car, you know, driving from my apartment in Brooklyn up to up to Westchester County to go play wingfoot. Like that hour ride, like it's, you're floating.

It's, you're floating, you know. And then you hit a shitty wedge. after a great fairway drive on number one, and you feel like shit. And that captures golf in a nutshell. That's me for sure. But I'm like a 15 right now. I've played shitty golf since Halloween, basically.

Since the courses outy's closed and pretty much everything shut down around the city, I played maybe five rounds, and I played very shitty golf. And is the thing that keeps you, or like your love for golf, some people, it's love, like, for me, I love hitting a long iron.

You know, or like, when you're thinking about why you get to the course every day, why you go. Is it golf architecture for you? Is it literally just walking the course and see how it's set up? Or what is the love? It's probably the same thing that I loved about basketball and that it's that constant search for improvement. And golf captures that better than anything else. I think Michael Jordan said this when he was talking to Steph.

It's like it's the greatest, I believe this. It's the greatest game ever invented. And it's also the most competitive game ever invented. because golf is inherently a competition. You're competing against yourself, your handicap, you're competing against the course. If you've got a match going, you're competing against your buddies. You're always competing for your personal best,

your highest score or your lowest score, rather. And so, like, there's no way you can, and even a range session. Think about a range session. Like, I wish last summer, this is my big regret last summer. I played so much golf. I played, I don't know, like 50 rounds in like two and a half months. Like I was just golfing.

And I didn't spend enough time at the range. And now that I, you know, everything's closed in New York, like, I like going to five iron because like that to me is like going to the gym and getting shots up. You know, that is like working on your game. So that to me is it. But like you talked about long irons. Like for me, like there's something about like hitting a great wedge shot. and and like hitting a like I that good golf course I played recently I uh I was on yeah I was I was on the seventh

hole I was on the seventh hole and I hit my drive I hit a little draw but it it rolled down the hill and went uh in the left rough and I was underneath this tree branch and it was a back right pin placement and Georgia pine it was one 10 it was a pine tree I'm not going to confirm that it was a Georgia pine tree, but it was a pine tree. And it was, I was 1-10 and like I had to hit like a little knockdown wedge underneath the tree branch. So I clubbed up to a pitching wedge and I did like a three-quarterback swing, short follow-through. And I hit it within five feet and tapped it in for Bertie. And like that, that shot for me, like the strategy, the mental part of it, the strategy, the strategy, the feeling.

it's like you can't where else do you capture that I don't know there's nothing like doing that on a golf course surrounding the whole hole too was there maybe some bunkers around the hole it was well protected

it was well-pillianing three big bunkers short of the green so well-protected green when you played this random course when you got to the 12 hole what club did you use so you guys are gonna kill me

I just don't know why I'm talking about this we can't Somebody put it out. Dude, there's a 12 hole. There's a 12 hole. On every single golf course on the plan. That's right.

Unless it's just a nine-hole municipal. So when you play a full 18, you have to hit the 12th hole. I'm just asking when you played that one round on that 12th hole. So I think the 12th hole on this, I want to say was a par three. If I'm remember correctly. Okay. So interestingly enough, I actually. We're going to be honest, I'm feeling nervous, too.

I'm uncomfortable. I'm shaking. I'm shaking. And I never hear from this man again. There's a good. Yeah. Just pushing out of frame. Just.

I remember. Yeah. I remember right. I think there was some sort of body of water that kind of came. Came in front of the green, I want to say. When did sometimes an issue? It wasn't behind the green. It was in front of the green.

Yeah. I'm starting a picture. I'm starting to paint a picture for it. Yeah. And, yeah. And I think the first day I hit a six. And then the second day I hit it eight both times. Both times I've played that hole.

This course sounds so pretty. I wish it in my lifetime I could play it at some point. Fuck you, man. You know what? That's great. You know what? That's great. You know, this guy had a full weekend.

Holy shit. Hey, why, uh, why 342? Yeah. What was that about? It sounds super random, but there's seven holes on a, there's seven spots on a, yeah, I'm getting my golf and basketball mixed up. There's seven spots on a, on a court. It is like the wing, the corners, the elbows, and then the top of the key.

So if you make 20-2s, like spot-toes, that's 140 shots, shoot five free throws, 20-spot-thricks, 20-makes, that's 140, shoot-five free throws. Same seven spots, three off the three-one dribbles going right, three-one, one dribbles going left. You shoot five after each of those two. It's 20 free throws and 32-may jumpers. 342 so that's how I came but it was like it wasn't like a thing I was like I'm going to make 342 it's like I'm going to do this routine and I was like fuck it's 342 shots and and then I did that I mean I started doing that my third year in the NBA and I did that every Sunday in the off

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Wouldn't recommend that. But I'm doing all these things. When I played, our season would end, whether it was first round of the playoffs, second round of playoffs, conference finals, whatever it was, our season would end. I guess I made the finals once. Our season would end. Whatever that Monday was, whether we lost on Saturday, whether we lost on a Wednesday,

like whatever that next Monday was, I was back in the gym. I was training. And I was sit down at the beginning of the off season and I would map out day by day. This is when I'm going to take my four-day break here. I'm going to go on a short, long weekend trip here. I did not vacation really. I barely saw my family, like my brothers, sisters, my parents. I'd see them twice a year.

And it would always be at a game. They would come to Charlotte or they'd come to D.C. Like I was just, I was in it. And so now, and so that 342, it just became part of it. You know, it became part of the thing. And then when I retired, like, I was like, fuck, man, I'm going to go play Pebble. I'm going to go play Cyprus. I'm going to, if I get an invite, you know, that course that we were talking about when I got the call,

I was like, I'm going to move heaven and earth. I'm going to move everything in my life. I got to go. I'm going to make this happen. You know, I'm going to go to the Masters. That's been like my bucket list sports item. What somebody says, what does the one sporting event you want to go to? It's like, I want to go to the Masters.

And I'm going to do that this year. So I'm just crossing shit off, man. It's a good, it's a good life. It's a good life. You've had a bunch of, yeah, you've had a bunch of great calls, let's say. You know, Coach Kay calls you. Once a kid to come play to Duke. You go to the NBA, obviously.

what's like the best call that you've ever gotten? Oh man, that's a great, that's a great question. I would say, I'm going to give you three. So obviously, obviously the Duke call. Like when I realized, I grew up a Duke fan, it was my dream school. I really truly wanted to go to UVA because I was born, you know, not born, but raised in Virginia. And we had lived in Charlottesville. I grew up in Roanoke.

I wanted to be loyal. My two best friends from Boo Williams, A.U. team were they were a year ahead of me so they had already committed to UVA um but when i got that duc call man i was i was like all right i don't know why i'm even wasting anybody else's time i'm going to call coach k back and tell him i'm coming um david stern when he called my name you know as a as an athlete that's your dream to be to be at the top level of whatever sport you're playing so when i got that when i heard my name called with the 11th pick the orlando magic select j Reddick. That was a big moment. And then the other one, really the call that changed the

trajectory in the course of my career was actually a text message. My wife and I went to Napa for my birthday and our anniversary are two days apart. So we always usually do like a three or four day trip right at the end of June. So we were in Napa and Doc Rivers' wife. My wife taught Pilates in Orlando, I took classes from my wife. And Doc Rivers' wife texted Chelsea and said, hey, what's JJ's number? I think Doc is going to call him tonight at the start of free agency. This was in 2013. And at that time, I thought I was either going to go back to Milwaukee or go to Detroit or Minnesota. Again, not knocking any of those places and certainly not knocking any of those teams. But to get the call from Doc that night, the clippers were a possible.

and I was going to get to play for Doc and I was going to get to play in LA and I was going to get to play with CP and Blake and Jamal and Matt Barnes and DJ like that was what changed my career. Like I was a good NBA player and I because I was in that system with those guys and we played at such a high level, the rest of my career was much higher than my first seven years and that call was important. Wow. And I thought I thought one of the calls was going to be the Zoom call. I thought he was setting us up for him to be like, and then the third one was the four plays a call. But those are those three are good too. They're fine.

They're good. They're good ones, I guess. Dude, I was listening to your podcast when you guys had Colin Moracala on, because I was then interviewing him maybe like two weeks after. And I was obviously super nervous about it. I don't do interviews by myself. And he was coming in.

And I was just like, that was my big like, holy shit, what am I going to fucking talk this guy about? Even though I know how to, speak to people like I don't know I just got I got nervous so I'm listening you got nervous that's crazy man I never so so listen and your guys pot is amazing and you had such a great natural conversation I'm like fuck I'm not about do any of this but one of the things that you talked about it was like mid conversation was like how the golfers don't wear like street clothes from the car to the golf course that Colin kind of brought it up I think you guys like

touched on it for maybe like a minute or two and then you went out to the next thing so i really like doubled down on that when i talked to him and i said like dude like i think that's a fucking unbelievable idea are you seeing what tony fenaos doing now every single day going to these tournaments he's wearing a whole new outfit nike has him just all in street clothes like that little thing you guys talked about absolutely is now a real thing that's amazing 100% that's amazing and i mean it's it's to me i i i would love a thank you from tony fenao but then it should be directed to you guys because you guys gave me the idea. But at this point, like, it's become like,

I need people to start doing this in golf. It's a culture change. It's a, it's like, I want to be able to see what all the guys are wearing. I want to see what Brooks Kepka chooses. I want to see what I'm saying. So I thought that was so cool that you guys kind of like brought that to reality. And now it's like a real thing. The NBA has done this really better than anyone else.

You know, we post, uh, malice in the palace at David Stern, instituted the dress code. You got to wear a blazer on the bench. They were, I mean, when I first got in the league, like with the Orlando Magic, to fly, to get on the team playing, you had to have a dress shirt on and dress slacks and dress shoes. So my first few years in the NBA, like, we were super strict about that. And then guys like Nick Young and Russ, they started playing on the edges a little bit. And now it's this whole phenomenon.

I mean, I don't know if you guys follow league fits, but it's this massive Instagram account. Those guys were just in Cleveland for the All-Star Break, doing all these collabs with brands. A bunch of NBA guys now have fashion labels or collaborations with major fashion labels. So they've sort of tapped into this crazy marketplace. And the other thing is they've shown their personalities.

Like we, as an NBA player, we got to show our personalities for 10 seconds. You walk, you get through security. that walk to the locker room when you're on camera. Every team now has like a basically a runway that you walk through Dallas when I was there. Like their runway is fucking crazy. They do like slow-mo videos they post on social. And it goes back to what we were talking about.

Like golf is missing that. Golf, there's, I want to know, I want to know if you let Ian Poulter rock a fit from the parking lot to the clubhouse. Like what kind of shit would he wear? what kind of shit you're you're bringing i would be interesting you're it's again you're like you're building an audience like the pga's missing this and i i think colin right after you guys talk right he he showed up in like a full suit it was that uh that was like what we kind of so yeah we kind of narrowed down that at the northern truss it was going to be at liberty national what better time he's staying in downtown manhattan like let's get a suit on maybe bring a briefcase show up to work like that's

that's hilarious to be able to do that like show up and agree I don't show up in a black guy tucks. He didn't do that. But he ended up missing the cut, which is a real wrinkle in this whole story. Like the fact he plays. How Tony do it? How Tony do it? Tony's first tournament wearing the new outfit missed the cut.

So I mean, they're over too. But, you know, how did, yeah, how did Tony end up finishing this week with the new Nike? Did he break the curse? I got to go out. I don't remember seeing him high up there. I think the curse still loves for first way on. Wasn't there, wasn't there outrage? There was outrage when J.T.

rocked a hoodie the first time, right? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. People panic about that. Those grace and hoodies are fire. They're the best. Those cashmere graces. Dude, the hoodies in general right now in golf are just, like when a guy walks out,

like JT this past weekend was rocking a hoodie again and just seeing them in the professional arena basically of golf with a hoodie on, it just looks cool. I mean, we're talking a lot about the, you know, the entrance and all that. And we've talked about NBA does that. and marketing their own players better than probably anybody, especially better than golf. Yeah, NBA crushes that. But in golf, I mean, at some point,

it's got to even get beyond just the entrance for the parking lot to the course. I mean, why aren't guys on the course just able to wear pretty much whatever they want? Like, why, you know what? Like, why is there this eventually, like, the wrong side of history is going to be that you, like, have to wear a collard shirt. Right? Like, it's all going. It's continuing to move the side of the right.

Why the fuck do you have to wear a collard shirt? You don't have to wear a towered shirt to do anything else in the world except play golf. Tiger Woods with the mock neck changed the game. I mean, yeah, Pat Perez will be able to show up with like baggy Jordan shorts and a t-shirt and his Jordan golf shoes and absolutely rip around the golf course. Why not? That's who he is. That's what he wears at home. That's what he wears when he golfs just casually. Yeah, it's obviously going that way.

It'll be a slow burn, but it is nice to see guys start to tour the line. The NHL is in that line right now in that world where you have to wear the dress pants and the suit. But you see a guy like David, like Posternak on the Bruins and he'll wear the most ridiculous suit ever with like a floral hat. It goes completely viral every single time. You're talking millions of views just that 10 second walk. It's like how do people not see that that 10 second walk is so innocent and so easy to just implement? And then all of a sudden it makes your sport so much better. Totally agree.

I had a teammate, Spencer Hawes. And my buddy Mike Dunlevy used to do this too. But if there was like a game on a holiday or like a themed night, they would just go all in. They would go to Amazon. Like Spencer Hawes on a Christmas day game wasn't playing. So he was on the bench in a Christmas tree suit. Literally like a hundred little Christmas trees. Yeah, exactly.

Mike Dunlevy one time they had like a 70s night for the Bulls, like a theme night for the Bulls. And he was injured. And he rocked like a full 70s suit, giant collar. out over the lapels. Like, again, when we talk about golf, like I want, I would love to see more personality out of golf. That's, that would be awesome. Frankie, by the way, Colin had that whole bit he had about on my podcast about, um, the

sponsorships, right, on guys shirts and how some guys really overdo it. Look, not everybody is Tiger that has this amazing deal. It can literally rock a swoosh. you know, polo and that's it. Like, that's paying me enough money. So I get why guys are doing Frank's hot, you know, hot sauce on their, on their, on their shirt. But I would like, I would like the fashion game in golf. It's such an untapped thing.

And I know, look, I know you guys have a relationship with Peter Millar and I mentioned Grayson. I'm going to shout out Peter Millar as well. Love their gear. So just don't want to put you guys in a tough spot there. You can feel it. You can feel it. You can feel it.

you go back to it when he said gracey you can just feel all of us to be like yeah okay because then riggs was like you know all hoodies all hoodies all huddies all huddies you know i feel like you're trying to flip it on us there with the whole good course thing now you're like oh yeah well how about all these other fucking foot joy oh they do a great job yeah how you guys feel peter peter bhaar exceptional exceptional all right there we go appreciate that very much appreciate that you know well how do you think we're going to do against Max Homa, you've watched some of our game. I mean, Max Homa's going to be a

fucking test tomorrow, man. The question is like how sharp are each of your games right now? Because what has made you guys such a formidable forcum is the fact that on any given hole, one of you

hits a ridiculously dumb shot. Like, somebody's going to hit it to five feet every fucking time. And look, if you're not sharp, like you may taking El Demar. I don't know, but I, that whole format is, it's just, it's wildly entertaining. I love it. By the way, did you guys ever figure out why Darius Rucker had to bounce early at Trubedore? He had like a radio hit or something. No, he was playing Madden against someone.

And it was, they were going live at 7 o'clock. Like, he had to play Madden at 7 p.m. So he had to leave at like 6.15. But yeah, no, the beginning of that match, you can watch. Like, Darius was definitely a little like turned off. to it or cold at least. Like we weren't really like vibing with him. I think after we won the first hole or maybe like we took a little bit of a lead and he realized that it was going to be like really competitive. He was like one of the best people we've ever played with like chirping us like calling us

like pieces of shit like making pots and running around the green. It was fucking hilarious. Is Jake Owen the drunkest person you'd had on that series? Yeah. That's why Darius is like this is a problem. Like I want to win. Our guy Jake Owen. he's having a good time.

He's having a good time. That was huge for us because he's a player. He can hit the ball really good. So we needed to, I was like, you know, at Trubador, they have those little hatchets where they have like tequila under the,

you know, in the ground and shit. And I was pulling him over like, oh yeah, like, what's in here? And just trying to get him going. And I think that was huge because he could barely stand up by the end of it. I want to say this about discovery properties in general. And I asked Colin,

the last question I asked Colin in the pod was if you could only play one course, the rest of your life, what would it be? And my expectation was that he was going to say an Augusta or a wingfoot or a pine valley or something like that. And he said, honestly, just a discovery property. And I played a few. I was in Cabo for my dear friend's 40th birthday in November.

And buddy of mine hooked us up at Chelano Bay. And we played two rounds there. And when we were kind of leaving Cabo, we kind of were just like, do it. Dude, we all have played amazing courses. Like one of the guys we were with is a member at a top 25 course in the New York area. Like we've all played amazing courses. I don't know that there's a better golf experience

than a discovery property in terms of. True. Like it's a, the course is always in great shape. The service, the people, it's amazing. The range, the ranges are just like pristine. And then you mix in just the element of fun. And we talk about like showing up, you literally play in a bathing.

suit barefoot with no shirt on a discovery property it's just like that's golf as it meant as it's meant to be played it's not it's not stuffy there's no nervousness like i'm i played uh marian and that first he shot like on number one like standing there with the starter and uh you know that you got the the outdoor bar right there you got everybody sort of watch it like standing you're like hitting off dinner plate oh man it's so nerve wracking you go to discovery property it's like fuck it dude i'm Let it rip. Let's go. It's the best. And it's like if you're, if you're choosing to go out and play golf for the day,

what's the whole point in doing it is to have fun? That's it. It's like you're not doing it for a status. You're not doing it for good. You're literally going out to try to enjoy yourself as much as a human being possibly can. Why would you want to be walking on egg shells or uncomfortable, uncertain if you're allowed to do this, this or this? Discovery property is right.

Are nailing it. And clearly they're having a lot of success because they're popping up more and more. I heard that place in Cabo is off the charts. What's it called again? Chalano Bay. There's two of them. There's El Dorado and then Chalano Bay. But I played them both.

Chalano Bay is amazing. Aren't they putting one out in the Hamptons? There's a social club out in the Hamptons. I've heard rumors that they are. There's a few projects that I know are in the works. They either have announced, but they haven't got clearance yet. But I know that I've heard they're doing one in the Hamptons,

which again, I don't, the land out there is stupid, stupid, stupid expensive. I want to say one thing real quick, just to clarify, I'm not shitting on Marion East, by the way. I'm not shitting on Marion. One of the most special places in the world, okay? Like, that's, it's spectacular. One of the most beautiful, beautiful golf courses, like insane. He's got something over there.

No, no, no, I got nothing bad to say about Mary. I'm just saying, like, my point was, and I didn't mean to single out Marion, but a lot of places, you know, you go, and there's some nerves on that first. T, you know, and especially if you're a guest of someone. And, you know, like when I played Marion, the member that was hosting us, I had never met before. I didn't know. And now him and I text all the time. He's a fantastic human being. One of the nicest guys I've ever met.

But, you know, you just don't know. You're an unfamiliar place where discovery properties, you go. It's just like, you know, just sheer joy. It's amazing. So who's your forcum against the four-man scramble? Who are your three teammates? Ooh, that's a good question. I bet you can find some sticks.

Yeah. I'm probably going to, my first text would be to Colin. Probably. Yeah. I was just, I was like, I mean,

I'm going to go, I'm going to go with Colin, um, Adam Scott. So that's not allowed. No, hold on. We're going to go Colin,

Adam Scott and, and my brother. The four of us. Okay. And if Adam can't make it, if Adam can't make it, if Adam can't make it, I'll invite Spencer Hoss.

Spencer's, Spencer's pretty good too. And you guys would love Spencer. He's awesome to play golf with. He was on that golf trip I did the Monterey Peninsula. It was me, my brother, my brother-in-law, and Spencer. We do a guy's trip every year. And this was the first year that we actually did a golf trip.

Because now that I play, you know, we did all the Monterey courses. And Spencer's awesome to play with. Awesome. Colin's playing left-handed. That's fine. He just, that's fine. Then it's a fair match. All right.

Well, look, I appreciate it. I feel like you're one of those guys we could talk to for five hours. We can talk golf. We can talk anything. We're going to do one in person one day. After around a golf, go around a fire pit and just fucking shoot the shit. I would love that. I would love that.

We should plan something this summer. Seriously, we will put something on the date. And you guys come out to Long Island. We'll get something done. For sure. Done. Is this, I was saying, is this the first NBA player we've ever had on? Yeah.

There might be like a name that's just a trailblazer. It could be a preposterous name that I'm just omitting, but I can't really recall. Wouldn't be the same first one I have too? Like, it's crazy. Outrageous. Starting at the top. Much better golfers and much better players than me. But I appreciate it, guys.

Well, if you haven't already, make sure you check out JJ's podcast, the old man in the three. And you've got, I mean, you guys, you got your own little company. You got a few others, right? a podcast, not just the one? Yeah, well, we've produced Adams' podcast for a bit. And they kind of they, you know, again,

Ben Clymer's his partner on this. Ben is the Haudinky guy, the guy that founded Hodinky. Ben and I are close friends. I'm actually even lunch with him in like 10 days. So they actually kind of rerouted their sort of strategy on that and they're doing video stuff now for YouTube. And then we produced

Duncan Robinson's podcast for a year. We did, I think he did 40 some episodes with us. But he just left. And it was an amicable split. And it was because somebody gave him a bag. So we were like, dude, take that deal, please. Like, touche.

Yeah, yeah, tché. So we're happy for him. But yeah, we, you know, it's interesting. When we started the company, you know, again, this goes back to what I was saying about just the podcast space in general. like it is so hard to have a podcast that people listen to. And so when we first started, we're like, oh, dude, we'll do a political pod. We'll do, you know, a different sport pod.

Maybe we get another NBA guy. You know, we'll have five or six under our umbrella in a year. You know, that was the thought process. And, you know, it's, it's hard enough to build one audience for our show. It requires so much work and really so much, so much interaction with your community. We try to do so much stuff for the listeners, for the YouTube viewers, and it's hard enough to do that. And I can't imagine like doing that for five other podcasts. I really can't.

You know, the stuff we're focusing on now with the company is all stuff outside of podcast space. So, you know, we have we have a couple entities that we've trademarked that we're sort of looking to get picked up as like, you know, TV shows basically. But again, all that stuff is like, it's just been, it's been super fun. And it gives me something to do besides going to ESPN and kill Stephen A for a day. Incredible. Well, yeah, if you don't, again, already, the old man in the three, go, you know, subscribe, download, rate five stars and check it out. I imagine you'll be a lifelong listener. But JJ, we appreciate it.

Let's set that up. Let's have an in-person show. Let's play a little golf. And let's have you get a team that doesn't include Kalamorkawa and maybe play. I love it. We'll do that. I'll have some Joe's with me. Not some pros. I'll have some Joe's with me. Dude, and I really, I mean it, guys. You guys are doing awesome stuff. And I don't take this like you, like being a guest of the show. I really, this has been

awesome for me. It's a true honor. I appreciate you guys. Love what you're doing. Thank you. Thanks, man. Thanks, man.