Fore Play - Joel Dahmen

Episode Date: January 7, 2021

The 64th-ranked player in the world joins the show for the first time. In a 60+ minute hang, we discuss the trusty preowned hybrid he got online, losing to the Fore Man Scramble, putting with the split grip, wearing the bucket hat playing with Tiger, calling Sung Kang a cheater, how to fix Frankie’s fat face & much more. Also the Joel scramble video will be available on YouTube Thursday night!!!You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

Hey, 4Play listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcast, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Joel Damon Day. We've got the four-man scramble against Joel at his home club Mesa. Oh, God, here in Arizona. Wow. That was, that was, I am not laughing. I'm not.

It's coming for you guys. I mean, listen, this. Rick says COVID. So, and we were, we're all just around each other. And we're all just going to, we're going to get through this. And we were just talking about it. I don't know for sure. He's going to get tested later.

But I mean, you just heard in that little fucking monologue there. He can barely speak. You actually did very well in the Joel interview. You didn't really. You're utilizing the, you're utilizing the mute button, I bet. Dude, I got and I told, I think I told, I was utilizing the mute button, the cough button. I told, I think I said this during the Joel thing. But for those of you out there,

that are on the whoop train. I got nine hours and 11 minutes of sleep last night, 100% sleep, all green. My recovery is 28% all in the red. And I feel fucking horrible. Just. Little nerve wracking, too, that your respiratory rate didn't go up. It actually went shot down or your HRV went up, I think.

Yeah, I was confused. Isn't it supposed to be the opposite? Yeah, your respiratory rate is supposed to shoot up like super high because your heart's working extra time. Your lungs are fucking moving in an hour. out and they're fucking cranked. I thought maybe I was just, I had it wrong before, but I saw those and those were maybe promising.

I don't know. I haven't gotten tested yet. So I, this, we're recording this on Wednesday. I'm going to try to sleep. But Tuesday morning, I woke up and I just felt pretty terrible. Taste and smells totally fine, which seems to be the main indicator. A friend who I got beers with on Friday tested positive for COVID and texted me that yesterday. So here I am feeling bad. Don't feel good. Feel a little sick. Got a few symptoms.

And then I get that text. I thought maybe I could sleep it off. Maybe I'm dehydrated. I've been pounding water. Went to bed super early last night. Missed the whole gold medal game. Went to bed super early. Woke up. Sweating. And at 28% recovery with nine hours and 11 minutes of sleep. So I don't think that's good. Yeah. And we were just saying before we hopped on the podcast here that I, me and Frankie and everybody who you were with, because we were with each other this weekend, filming videos and doing a podcast, there's just dark clouds off in the distance.

And I'm just really wondering what my next couple of days are going to look like. I'm hoping that maybe I'm just immune or immortal to the point because I've been around COVID. It was in my house and knock on wood, thankfully. And I quarantined during that time. Everyone got through it and is past it.

But I just have avoided it. I've gotten tested, I don't know, 10 times throughout this whole thing. And I just, hopefully now, I just don't, I can't get it. I don't know if it's blood type thing. But, Riggs, the thoughts and prayers are with you. It's no fucking joke, man. Like, you got to actually, you got to take your time now and you got to actually take it seriously. So I appreciate that.

Thank you. We have Joel Damon on the show. We just spoke to him for over an hour. And then tonight, I think 8 p.m., we are putting out the Joel Damon scramble video on YouTube. He's going to be in the chat if you can figure out the technology. And so, yeah, this show is pretty much going to be a full Joel Damon episode. Mostly he just texted me.

He's like, which is very friendly, he just texted me. He goes, do you have vitamin C, vitamin D, zinc? So he's clearly, you know, worried about helping me out and the things that I need to get. So I'm going to go try to require some key. Zink and vitamin D and these little emergency packets. Those are the best thing. Yeah, it's just emergency. It's got a thousand milligrams of vitamin C.

Throw it in your water. You drink one like in the afternoon. It gives you some energy too. And vitamin D. A lot of people with COVID are not getting enough vitamin D. I don't know if it's a combination of it drains you. And then also you're staying inside for most of the time. So you're not getting the sun.

You're not experiencing what life is supposed to give you. So it makes you more tired, not having vitamin D. And then zinc apparently is like you need zinc. with COVID. So yeah. Joel Damon was awesome. I don't know how anyone's going to listen to this show and watch this video tonight and have him not be their favorite, one of their favorite golfers. I think he is more common man than really you can, you can ever imagine a professional athlete being. You're going to hear stories about him taking clubs off the rack and just

using them on the PGA tour. The fact that he's going to come in the chat, most likely, on the YouTube page is awesome for everyone watching. That'll just be like, you'll be able to just like talk to Joel on our YouTube page. That'll be really cool. And yeah, he's got great stories and just a really cool dude. A guy you, we always say this at bars so like I could grab a beer with them or something. Like that's like the barometer. Like Joel Damon is the kind of guy.

He's definitely want to grab a beer with. He's just another one of our guys now. Like Kisner's our guy, been our guy for a while now. Guys who are just super normal but also happen to be. incredibly good at the game of golf. I think Greg said that Joel is number 64 in the world, which is incredibly impressive, but he's a super normal dude,

which you'll see in the interview you're going to listen to here in a little bit and the video that we're putting out on YouTube. His is incredibly common man, but he's also like top 25 golfer at times. And I don't know if that's just because he has the success. Like, like, he gets locked in, I feel like, whatever. Like, I don't know. Like, even when we did the four-man scramble,

kids, like, had Dewey with them. and he was like fucking he wanted to beat us like he still got that competitive killer instinct like he's a fucking top 25 golfer Joel is still on that top 100 64 of all time but he like you you think that he jumped a rope and he's like no one knows who he is like he's like this this errant just crazy person that just drinks trullies and is just like happens to be good a cup but no one said anything like who is this guy like he is so common man it hurts it's great It's absolutely crazy that he's gotten to where he's gotten with his mentality and his like everything about like you'll watch in the video tonight. He's just a fucking regular dude.

Dude, in the video, we thought that he was his twin brother. We didn't think we didn't think it was him. What were we saying like David or something? Yeah. We're like at some point he's just came back, by the way, I'm not Joel. I'm his twin brother because we couldn't believe that that guy that we were playing is 64th all time, 64th in the world that golf. That cool. You'll hear it, and I don't want to spoil too much of the interview,

but Rick starts off the interview, you're the 64th player in the world. That's crazy. Yeah, it is. It is. But he says it. He's like, I'm just a fucking regular dude. He's like, thanks, I guess.

Maybe. I don't really know. So, yeah, Joel's up. We're going to pretty much do the whole show with him. The Century Tournament of Champions, plus I think everyone that made it to East Lake last year is going on this week. Excited to watch it. Capilua.

Capilu is on, like, probably my top five or 10. bucket list courses. I want to play court Crenshaw, stunning, you know, in Maui on the on the cliff. So we're looking the ocean. And then, you know, you get pretty damn good golf because you get stars. You get Bryson's obviously out there, DJ's out there, JT's out there, a bunch of stars are playing. So it's a nice little way to ease into the golf season is this tournament. It's like this every year. And like I said, it's a really cool golf course. They usually go pretty damn low. And they got that 18th hole with the, you know it's like 600 yards but it's super downhill they hit drives like 400 yards and then they rip these draws into that green it's just really fun to watch and again it's a it's a ease into

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Dustin Johnson's the favorite going in. It'll be fun. I mean, will Bryson hit like a 600-yard drive? I feel like that's going to be fun to watch. How far can he possibly go? That video came out of him teaching, was a Hughes or someone, how to just like swing harder and how cocky and kind of sending the way he was speaking, being like, no, it's really just reaching up and bringing it in. firing he was doing all these weird things like dude it's not that easy to swing 100 and i mean to to get 200 whatever ball speed whatever they were trying to achieve 195 whatever um crazy crazy crazy to watch uh him play those are moon balls over there so it'll be fun to watch um yeah i got really nothing else we're going to be streaming i guess i think we're going to try and stream a little bit right

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Okay. I agree. Go subscribe to our YouTube page. A quick thing I wanted to know is that Patrick Reed no longer with Nike and he was rocking G4 stuff. And I saw a lot of people on the internet freaking out about it. You know, we're big G4 guys. We love their shoes.

we love their gear. G4's been with us for years now. And they're, I mean, the Gallivanders are literally the best golf shoe ever made by far. And I know for a fact that Patrick Reed does not have a deal with G4 that he bought the gear himself and is just rocking the G4 gear. So again, I saw a bunch of people like freaking out, jump into conclusion, shout to office space, jumping to conclusions, Matt. But I saw a bunch of people freaking out about that. Patrick Reed, who is, by the way, the 11th ranked player in the world? So like in a major champion. So it's a, I would say it's very much a great endorsement for G4 that Patrick Reed,

who clearly has ended his situation with Nike, like bought G4 gear to rock himself and is rocking it at at Capulua this week. So a little, a little rigsy scoops on that front right there. But, but yeah, Capilu, I'm excited. The course is really cool. You see some crazy shots and somebody gets a chance to start the year off with a W. So it'll be fun to watch. Okay.

Joel Damon's up next. We did like a full hour. It's very casual. We just kind of shoot the shit with him. I think you'll enjoy it. So here's the interview with Joel Dave. How we doing, fellas? It's a nice little wall.

Yeah, we'll be a little wall there. I designed it. I think they're old windows maybe thingies. It looks like windows from a church. Yeah. I think we just take out the plain glass or whatever you call that. Cool. Wow.

classic. The kingdom of Joel. There's your little kingdom. What are you guys doing? We're just going to hop right in. We're doing great. Well, I'm not. I think I have COVID, so that's, I don't think it's great at all.

Like, actually? Yeah. Dude, I got nine hours. So on whoop, you know, I track my whoop all time. I got nine hours of sleep last night, and I'm at 28% recovery. Well, it's more about your heart rate varied, like the HVR. Yeah. That's not good either.

Okay, fair. Well, good thing you didn't come over for New Year's. No, I didn't think of. Anyways, so I was looking, you're the 64th ranked player in the world. We did beat you, but that's pretty high. I didn't know you were going to be that high, actually. I was impressed by that. Thanks, I think.

Yeah, I didn't know where to go with that either. Well, didn't you beat up on Kisner, who's like top 30 in the world? So, I think he's like 25th. So, so yeah, I don't know. I was a little, I mean, I look, if you're right, if we beat Kisner, who's 25th, we should in theory be able to beat the 64th right player in the world. But I do, in looking at the match,

people are going to be able to see this on Thursday. I think Thursday night we're putting it out. So a little podcasting thing tonight then. Yeah. I think it's 10 o'clock tonight. Is that one putting the match out? Yeah, because Joel, this is how this works. We speak today.

but the podcast comes out tomorrow. So we speak as though it's tomorrow. It's a mind fuck. Frank, you cannot wrap his head around that. No, what a guy who explained. All right. Well, yeah, I'll just go a day ahead.

It's not easy. Yeah, Wednesday never exists. Okay. Okay. Joel, are you surprised you're the 64th best player in the world? I mean, if you think about it, absolutely. Like, I'm just thinking of Washington. Like, what the hell am I doing being good at golf?

I don't know that good, I guess. Yeah, it's, I mean, if you think about if you're top 100 in anything in the world, that's really good. It's crazy. It's incredible. How many people, like, you think of all the weekend hackers, right? And you think of everybody at the club that you hang out with all the time. It's really weird to think that. But at the same time, I know that it's not my full potential either.

I mean, I want to be consistently top 50 in the world and, you know, crack that. top 30 and and uh i think that would be i think i could hang out in the top 30 for a while would be my goal is like think about how many millions of people play golf and look at instructional stuff and go to the range and grind and you're the 64th best out of like tens of millions of people that's insane uh are you guys just pumping me up right now to actually pump you guys up because you guys beat me so. Yeah. That's correct.

Exactly. I was actually thinking about that, though, with, like, Jin and Trent and I were talking about this the other day. Everybody inputs their handicap. Gin does such a bad job of just, like, kind of like telling you where you sit amongst others. I think it'd be so sweet if they put, like, the top thousand players in Jersey, and you could, I could find myself in the state of New Jersey and compete against others.

Because obviously, like, the four of us are never going to be in the top 100 of anything in our life. in this world. And so, yeah, we're top 100 podcast. That sounds good. I hope so. God, I hope so in terms of golf podcasts.

But yeah, I think they should do a better job of, like, sharing that information because it would be cool to look at and, like, just compete against, you know, if I'm competing against, like, to be in the top 25,000, that'd be sweet. Would you want it to be a point system large? Or, like, because, like, what if you play a thousand times and I play twice, but I shoot, like, I have just a lower average or whatever, right?

Like how, yeah. Things of you could have like a weekly game. You could have like a monthly thing to see like how much you've improved in a month or how much you've improved in a year. I think you could do a lot of different things of that. It would make it more competitive or more fun. I mean, you could, it's a, I think it's a pretty solid idea. Lurch, do you think you're the top in the top thousand golfers in New Jersey?

Top thousand? No. Yeah. Man. Well, didn't you just shoot career low? 71? Yeah, but that's not going to track it. It's not three putt anymore.

I mean, that would be great, and you could maybe break some. I appreciate that, Joel. That's why we were a four-man scramble. Although, did we three-putt versus you? I think we did. I think as a collective group, we took 12 wax at one hole. Or was that? No, that was Pat Perez.

I know we did that against Perez. Part of three, we had like a 40-footer, and we three-jacked as a team. That's so bad. That is painful. But I've been there. Joel, I'm curious, so, you know, we did defeat you. I'm curious how frustrating it must be to play against us because of how bad we are collectively, yet how miraculously we seem to pull it out each time.

Yeah, I mean, that's the thing with scrambles, right? You only need one good shot out of four. But realistically, like, you only need, like, one good shot out of like 12 on a part four like even if you hit like an average drive if somebody hits a great second shot inside of like 10 full feet like you guys are probably going to make it um and if you or you know let's say you guys hit a terrible tee or whatever it is you have four chips around the green like you're going to find a way to never make a boge especially where he played at mesa um unfortunately i did not play well that day but um i wish i could have gave you a better match

but out there you guys just aren't going to really make a boge you'd be really hard to make a bogey out there and you're going to make your six or seven birdies just by being four guys. But there's definitely times when I was like, all right, you guys are in trouble. I got a good look here. Like, I got him. And then all of a sudden,

one of you, Yehu's makes a putt or hits a great second shot in there, and I'm demoralized once again. It's a fun scene at Mesa. It's a very fun scene there. I feel like everybody that we met was very into the classic, like, club, looking for games. They're inviting us to come back for some money games on, you know,

Wednesdays and Fridays. I feel like that's your, that's your kind of club and you're a perfect fit right there. Yeah, Mesa's been incredible. It's been home, it's been my home for three or four years now and just a great group of guys. I mean, we play six sums, eight sums, drink beer, listen to music, have a great time. So it's no real different than like, it is a country club, but it's pretty blue collar and it's pretty darn fun. It's not a desert golf course. So no one's looking for their balls all the time or chasing, you know, rattlesnakes through the bushes.

So it's just a really fun atmosphere. The head pro Scott Wright's an incredible guy. He's got to be one of the best pros in the country. And just a blue collar attitude out there of play fast, drink and listen to music and have fun. And I think that golf is way more fun when it's played like that. I did like that we really didn't lose any balls. even when I snapped hooked one over the little guy came out of the clouds and just threw my ball back.

Watching the live stream and he came across and he was on the other side of the canal like bordering the golf court. It's like Riggs, got your golf ball. Checked over. That was classic. That was awesome. He just can't lose a ball. out there at Mesa. So talk me through, we got to talk about the, I don't know what you call, 10-finger, putter grip, baseball grip, whatever the hell it is. You start doing this right before,

at least the first time I saw you were doing it right before you played us, like your downhill putts, you're playing with Steve Stricker and you're draining putts with his grip. You talk Frankie into it. Frankie now, I think that's the other way he puts. But where does this whole thing come from? What's the theory on me? I don't, I don't know how, I mean, I'm not a grill grinder. so if I'm on the practice screen, like I'll do my drills and stuff. But after that, I get bored pretty quickly. So mess around with it. I made a lot of putts.

And then I used it in Mexico at Mayakoba on the weekend and did okay with it. And it's kind of just, it's off and on for me. I haven't like completely stuck with it, but I used it yesterday and played okay. I think what it does is it allows me to release the putter better. with the right hand. So it's going to be, the right hands going down the line. It's a more natural motion

of like rolling a ball. And it takes my left wrist out of it. I get a weak left wrist and I struggle with speed and I actually had it on video a couple days ago. It looked pretty darn good. So it may be here to stay.

I mean, anything I do putting wise changes week to week, but I think you may, you may be seeing more of it, split-handed, happy Gilmore, whatever you want to call it. but I actually had a new putter built that is a little longer and the grip is two feet long.

So I can actually like grip all the way down on it. So it's a little it's it's full go. Yeah. It's a good grip man. I mean if there's something about it feels more natural. It's almost like when you're like growing up as like a little kid and you're running around that little hockey stick and you're just like smacking things into nets and stuff. Like it feels more natural for a putting stroke to actually get your hand lower and smack a little. little ball into a hole as opposed to like way up here and like the pendulum and the shoulders

and keeping everything that's so unnatural to me so when you showed me that I'm like holy shit like I can just line this up it actually helped me with my vision more I was able to like get over the ball more and kind of watch it go down the line correctly over the ball and not inside of it more and so that's another thing that people have said so I'd be curious if more people actually try to especially like your average Joe Schmo like if they actually improved a little bit so yeah totally something to definitely look into I mean, I'm not the first two. I know there's been several tour players that have done it messed around.

I know Natalie Goldberg did it for a while in the LPGA, and there's some other ones, but it seems to work okay for me. Are you a tinkerer in general? I don't tinker with clubs per se, and I don't. I guess putting would be the only thing I tinker with. I kind of try everything, and it's like I call it honeymooning. I'll grab a new putter or I'll do something else, and like you go through a honeymoon phase with it.

it and you make everything and you're like, oh, this is awesome. And then like the next week it doesn't work, so you try something else. I think maybe the best players in the world probably just stick to it. I didn't see Tiger changing with his putting in his career. So maybe I should just stick to one thing and figure it out. But for now, it's kind of flavor of the week for me with the putter. But I don't tinker as much else. I keep my clubs around for years and years and I don't change too much else.

You're not like a big equipment junkie? I don't know. I have like there's like a metal stick with like a thing on the end of it and they have different loss and you swing it and it goes in the air most of the time. That's what I know about golf. Didn't you, did I miss hear you? Did you buy one of your clubs on like eBay or something? Yeah. Well, so I had a ping answer hybrid from 2011 and I had it for nine years. And this summer like the face finally like cracked. And so I struggled. I tried different hybrid. I tried a seven wood. Nothing worked. Finally, I had a, I, G-in-o, my caddy had ordered a backup

off of eBay before, but just didn't quite work. So he bought two more this summer. I guess it would be like September. And one of them worked. It still has a pre-owned sticker on it. It's got the $40 price tag on it. And it is, it's in great shape compared to my old ones. So, and I've been playing for a couple months now. It's awesome. Absolutely, that's hit crazy that a professional golfer top 70 in the world in the world is out there with a pre-owned sticker from golf galaxy to me that's fucking an absolute joke i mean i don't know how that's possible and i love it i mean for anyone that's listening to doesn't know joel damon and just heard that quote and now watches that video tonight you have to now be like the top common man golfer on tour like after

tonight it has to be i want to find the own the the previous owner of that golf club that would I'll wear. I think you have to get some info from Gino to see if he could dial that one in, but it would be awesome. I'll have to send that guy a nice bottle of wine and a hat maybe for him. Yeah, a little tip-chon.

Yeah, that, like that, that owner is thinking this club's going to end up in some fucking hack's hands, who's going to be all of immunies who can't break 110, and it's just on tour trying to win tournaments for 64, It's like, oh, yeah.

I mean, it is like, for whatever reason, like, it's, it has a, has like a regular flex in the shafts as well. Like, it's off the rack shaft. It's everything. Come on, dude. Yeah. So it's the only one that doesn't fit, like, you know, I play like stiff shafts or extra stiff in the driver, whatever, like most people. And this one, for whatever reason, like, it's like a 5.5 in my iron shafts are 6.5s. And I don't know why it, I can hit it 2.10 or I can hit it.

2.30 and it just kind of works for me. Unreal. Unreal. Awesome. That is just, you know, like from the average person, we're subject to that. We're almost forced into that where it's like, this is the one club that I can have for nine years and it just, I can use it. But like, you can have any club you want and that's what you're rocking. What's so funny to me and maybe, maybe is what's fucking my brand the most is that like us hacks on this podcast, like are going through fittings.

and like getting clubs perfectly set to our, like the gram of our, like, I mean, we're talking about like, oh, this shaft is a gram to have, I mean, you're out there grabbing shit off racks and just going low. To me, that's like, what am I doing sitting here getting fitted with it's, it's very, very funny. In fairness, it is the only club that, like, but still, dialed in, but still. But it speaks to the talent level. It speaks to the talent gap that's between. us four and Joel. That's the difference, I think. If you give any tour pro, like a driver that doesn't fit them and like what, like, you know, I could take one of your driver, like give them 10 swings on the range, they'll figure out how to hit it somewhat straight. Like they can figure it out to do it. So obviously it won't be perfect. But if you, you know, the high level players,

you can kind of figure out how to use a golf club to get it around. Do, do equipment companies like try to lobby you to like create or whip up or or whoever you're using to like no no we can just make a club that's actually here in the present now like with modern technology they have to be trying to do that with the high you know like hendricks tins was known for his three-wood ride he had he had the rocket three that was super old and finally cracked on him i think this last year but um if it's not like a driver or a putter like equipment people don't really care i'm just like the driver's a big one. And so no one really bothers me about, I've tried other hybrids. But nothing has worked quite like that one. So my par five scoring last year, I went from like top 50 on tour the previous year to this

last year. I dropped down to like 150 because I couldn't get a hybrid that worked, you know, for that like kind of going for, you know, 23 to 250 club. And so I dropped completely down. And then this fall with the new club back in play, I'm back in the top 50 on par five score. That's phenomenal. That $40 club is worth millions of dollars. That's, yeah, that is a million dollars. Again, it has to. That's where you make your head.

It's part five. Yeah, exactly. Whoop, baby. So I talked about whoop already. I've been monitoring the hell out of it all last two days because I'm a little sick. I'm a little under the weather. Thank God for whoop. I mean, this thing is just so, I will say,

it's very comforting to be able to look. and actually just see what your body is doing and what's going on. They've also, in a big move, whoop announced a multi-year partnership becoming the official fitness wearable of the PGA Tour and the PGA Tour champions. Now, you've seen him working with J.T., with Rory, with all kinds of athletes on the PGA Tour.

You remember the Bill Haas story where he went and got tested because he saw irregularities, irregularities with his whoop. So, you know, yes, this wearable, it's great for fitness. It's great for sleep. It's great for recovery. But guess what? It's also great as an indicator of if you may have who or if you may have COVID,

you may have some sort of issue going on. We've been obsessed with it. We're in like a group. You look at that people's recovery, it hates alcohol, which is good. It's a good thing that you ultimately know that, you know, whoop is going to tell you and is going to allow you the information to say, hey, what you think might be fine is actually just horrible for you in your body. Dude, yesterday, I forgot to tell you guys, I meant to.

After we took that red eye back from the West Coast, I didn't sleep on the red eye. I can't sleep on planes. It's just, I just don't have the ability to, so I didn't sleep at all. I got home, I slept for a few hours, and I woke up 5%. Five. Yesterday was, I didn't feel like myself. I felt like a zombie.

But whoop let me know. It was like you are on the verge of just being completely exhausted. And it was, I knew I felt like 5%, but it felt good to have it confirmed that I was 5%. Jesus. Five percent is not great. No. My numbers have been all over the place just because, like, no sleep, traveling around.

It's been crazy, man. But yeah, yeah, I was at 4% on last Friday because I drank a bunch of wine. And I woke up with just, I mean, it was bad. I went from 75% to 4%, 78% to 16%. So it was every other day I was drinking. and it is funny that alcohol does the same thing to your body technically as like COVID, which I'm not going to like slander alcohol companies, but like it is funny like what it kind of does.

Like your body has to work overtime. Yeah. And like to fight off this thing that's entered its body that makes you like feel good, which it's weird that, you know, you don't think about that until you get wooed. And look, I'm not going to, right? Like I'm still going to drink because I like to drink is very fun. But I just know now that it's hard.

for me to recover. That's just, I just, you're not going to be booking any fucking, um, any, um, marathons right after you have a wine night because your roop's going to tell you, you're probably going to die halfway through that thing. That's right. Your recovery is pathetic, sir, and you will not make it through because you have to put a lot of strain on your body. And luckily, whoop measures all that.

You go to whoop.com, get yourself involved, get on the plan, get a whoop and you're going to like it. Uh, and again, they have announced a, an official partnership, multi-year partnership, becoming the official wearable of the PGA Tour and PGA Tour champion. So big thanks to. I'm going to ask to one of the biggest things that comes up when people look up, Joel Damon, they're going to ask what your current relationship is with Sung Kang. It is amazing how the golf world doesn't like the C word.

They don't like calling people cheaters. That's a no-no. Deservably so, yeah. I mean, he did it to himself. and I just let the world know about it. So it kind of propelled me. I was just stacking around tour as kind of a nobody, but the next week I had a lot of guys coming up to me.

I had major champions, veterans, you know, pretty much everybody was, hey, that's really hard to do. Thanks for standing up for the game and protecting the field. And since then, like, you hear more about it in the locker and like, hey, yeah, I actually said you can't drop there. Or like, it's one of the hardest things in golf is like, where did the ball cross the hazard, right? Like it's out of bounds. It's out of bounds.

That's easy. But is it drawing? Is it fading? Did it actually cross? Like, that's a really hard one. And, you know, you try to do the best you can with you and your group to figure out, you know, what's the most fair thing. And I mean, with the physics and the way his ball was flying and how it worked out, I mean, there was no chance. And I had to, I had to make my stance.

So I've heard you speak about this a little bit. For anybody who doesn't know, give them the quick gist. And then I, you know, I kind of want to put my two cents in. But give him the quick. but the quick rundown of what happened. Yeah, so it was Sunday in D.C. at TBC Aventel, we're both playing pretty well, and 10th holes of Part 5, he goes straight out,

and it goes basically almost 90 degrees left, and it's all over water, most of it, and then the last 20 yards is obviously like the green in the run-up area, but he went for the green end two. He pulled it a bit, and it bounced up, by the green there's a spotter right next to it the spotter said it landed right here it didn't cross the hazard line up by the green um when i when we walked up you know he's about 230 yards out so when i walked up there like you could tell the way that like it was like on a like a a mountain or i shouldn't

say a mountain but like a little hill so if it kicked on towards the green if it landed in on the red line it would kick towards the green if it didn't it would kick in the hazard where it did so um multiple spotters up there said it didn't cross he wanted to drop by the green I didn't want him to drop up there, obviously. I said, you got to go back and hit it. Typically, it takes a couple minutes to figure it out. This one took 25 minutes. We had Ben Crane and Ryan Palmer play through us. And then finally, Rule Special came over and it's like, you guys got to figure out. I'm like, I made my decision. Like, whatever. So he ended up, he, the rules switch, like, we can't do anything about it. He's going to, he can do whatever he wants, basically.

He dropped by the green. He chipped it on, made his part, and I'm finishing third that week. So, somebody asked me on Twitter what happened on on the 10th hole and I told them that Kang took an illegal drop and then I woke up the next morning and the world blew up you had notifications yeah well you did tweet uh Kang cheated I took a he took a bad drop from the hazard I argued until I was blue I lost but but what I was amazed by I obviously you did the right thing I there's a reason all to you know major champions. Everybody on tour is coming up to you being like, yeah. And, you know, I heard you make a great point, which was that like, look, if you said, you know, we all play golf all the time,

obviously, we're playing every week and not everybody's on TV all the time. And like this shit does happen. But like if it's the difference between somebody finishing 54th and like 59th, it's not as big of a deal. It's like an eight grand, whatever. It's like not good, but it's less of a hat, whatever. Whereas this one, like you said, it's like hundreds of thousands of dollars of difference that he actually then cost the people, you know, that end up finishing behind them by a stroke or two that would have never, like that by just taking a legal trap. And what's amazing to me is like if someone ever comes up to you that's and says like, no, no, that's not like, you're always like, oh, okay, totally. And you err on the side of just making sure you don't violate any rules. Right. Absolutely.

Well, that's a deal. And you get a lot of times, maybe it's off a drive, right? And they're like, oh, it could be here. It could be here. It's like 10 yards difference maybe. It doesn't matter a ton. and this was like 230-yard difference. Like, you have to basically go replay the shot again. And that, you know, like, if it's 10 yards here or there, like, that's, like, who really knows? Like, you know, we don't have, like, an overhead drone that tells me the ball is. So that's fine. But this one was just egregious and was just too much.

And, like you said, like, yeah, is it ever good? But are you more lenient probably when it's, you know, the guy's in 65th place? and it's like within 10 yards, fine. Like, but also to your point, you always ask your playing partner, hey, is this drop okay? And if he's like, hey, I think it was back 10 yards, you just go back 10 yards.

Like, there's no question about it. You just, you, it's a group consistent. If you go with like the least favorable to you that the group decides, that's just how it works. Right. I even always thought that it was almost like you're playing competitors, almost decision, like final decision.

Yeah. I didn't think that it was. the current player who hit the bad shot could almost reward like with the area of drop. Like I thought it was more almost in tennis where if you hit a shot and it's close, it's on the line or out, the competitor actually gets to make the call whether it's in and now. Like, and I thought it was similar to that vein of while you hit the bad shot, I'm saying in fairness, like, no, it was back there based on where it's crossed and that individual

who hit the bad shot has to just take that penalty. So I'm kind of amazed that he was even able to be like, no, I'm going to drop up here. You're arguing. You're letting people play through. And it's like, well, my hands are tied because I don't have any proof of that. I'm not being a jackass. Like, this is my take. This is my honest take.

You hit a bad shot. Like, I'm sorry, but you're back there. And especially if other people, the rules officials are saying, well, we didn't see a cross up here. Like, what are we doing here? It's like, I don't know, five versus one. That's crazy that that was allowed. And that's where the rules of golf kind of let, let, like, a guy in my position, it let me down. And the rules official, his hands are tied because he didn't see, like, you know, he's two holes away when we radio him to come over.

Right. Like, and it goes, it's like, hey, this comes down to your word versus his word. And we, if he, he basically can drop wherever he wants as long as he's willing to do it, I guess. So golf sucks, I guess, in that, and that part, because it doesn't help me in it, you know, doesn't. help anybody. So my last words were if you can sleep at night, then go ahead and drop it. That's what you said that? That was my last parting words from about 50 yards away. This feels like the Mori show now where we're like, and our next guest is to bring in the room is some game and then just have you guys like battle it out. That is like,

that's a dagger of a comment to finish it off with him. Like that, that hurts. Yeah. Yeah. And everyone's like, hell, Do you guys talk now? Like, whatever? I'm like, well, we never talked before. So, like, nothing's ever changed. I didn't acknowledge. I mean, we didn't acknowledge each other, like, half the tour.

You know, you don't know anybody. It's like you're going to strike up a random conversation. So it's fine. I mean, he's a good player. He won last year. Like, there's no doubt that he's good at golf, but he might have a little blemish for a while. Yeah. I love if you can sleep a night with that drop.

I like that you're willing to, like, step into confrontation. I wonder what you would have done on my plane the other day when this lady brought a dog and stuck her dog right under my foot and then told me to get to the back of the plane if I didn't like it. And I went to the back of the plane like a little bitch boy and just sat there. I would have done the same probably. Not a fan of confrontation. Like if there's a solution like that, like, all right, I'll just get up and leave. But maybe if I had a couple drinks in the airport bar before boarding the plane, and it depends what type of dog it was. it was a it was an Aussie doodle it was a huge dog this lady i would have just sat there and

hung out with a dog for however long the flight while i love it was a all right now i got to tell that's one of the takeaways frankie hates dogs by the way guys did you see the fucking american airlines has banned like as we released that podcast they've banned emotional support dogs on their planes saw that fucking joke so i'm i'm sitting on this i were cross-country flight new york to san diego and i'm already tuesday It's a late day. It was on the weekend. It was on Sunday.

I had a long weekend. Sitting on this flight, I upgraded from the back of the plane to, like an even more space seat on an aisle because I knew it was going to be a packed flight. I want this nothing next to me. Whole flight gets filled and the seat next to me is open. This lady comes walking in with this fucking Ozzie doodle, huge dog, massive dog.

And just goes, excuse me, I'm just right there. And I'm like, you got to be fucking kidding. No way. And I like dogs, dude. Like, dogs are awesome. and all the listeners are hearing this for the second time, but I have to tell you. And the dog comes, sits next to me.

And she just, she lets the dog go in my space. Like the dog is on her right, never in the middle, just on the right, not in between her legs, just on my side, in between my legs.

I now have my feet up on the seat. And she actually says to me, word for word, you wouldn't mind, after she realizes it, it's a problem. Like the dog's not moving. I'm not moving.

She goes, you wouldn't mind switching with my boyfriend, right? like he's somewhere else on the plane i was like well you like i almost like you've given me no fucking choice like what else am i supposed to do for the next six hours like just sit up like this is i just like upgraded i just spent like 170 bucks to sit here this is insane so i get up and the fucking boyfriend's in a middle seat in a worse seat than that was so i just upgraded in the seat basically that i just paid from i well now if i'm going back to a middle seat i would have

raised hell. Exactly. That's like, yeah, I would have, I would have done something to make sure I wasn't in a middle seat for sure. It was a nightmare, dude, an absolute nightmare. I've gotten so many tweets since that podcast came out being like, man, like, no chance. Do I succumb to that? Like, honestly, like, I'd rather get, like, people were saying I'd rather get, like, dragged off that plane than, like, just, I mean, she got everything she wanted. Like, they didn't pay for extra like the boyfriend was in the back of the plane they didn't like get too expensive seats now he's up there for free it was a nightmare like they just yeah you know it was their plane and i was living in it i'm convinced that she threw a treat over by your seat and the dog just went over there and that's

why he was over there dude you know what i thought you know what i was thinking how come she didn't fucking go back to the whoever that schmuck was sitting next to her boyfriend what why was that go go to that other seat right like go sit next to like have that guy that's the best solution for everyone the dude in the back of the plane now gets to sit in a better seat with even more space because you brought this problem on the plane so you go back there and you fucking sit next to your boyfriend next to the bathroom i'm glad you're so triggers this is awesome amazing you know frankly also thinks that you know the frank Frankie thinks that like they had a plan where they upgraded one seat, brought the dog on, like maybe even,

Frankie even thinks so much that, like, they saw like, oh, there's little baby Frankie, like, we'll take that kid and we see that he's in 9A. So let's buy 10B or 9B and sit right next to him with the dog, attack Frankie in every way possible, upgrade one seat, and then he'll move for sure and we'll get one seat for free. He thinks it's so detailed, it's that detail. Well, Frankie, if you had a skinier face, man, Maybe people wouldn't be attacking you on planes.

Listen, man, I don't know what's going. I don't know what's happening. Really ever since we went, ever since, well, no, it's been fucking quarantine, but I've noticed a real change, even in the last couple weeks since, like, we saw you. Like, I feel like that Arizona trip, like, I ate, like, absolute shit on the way home. I eat, like, shit. And then this last couple of weeks, I've really been crushing the prosciute and Italian meats. And it's just all, it's just sitting in one.

spot right now. So, I mean, it's sad that we've had these pros come on this podcast and it started with Bryce and Deschambeau being like, well, Frankie, maybe if I hit my wedges, if you hit your wedges better. And now it's switched to, well, Frankie, maybe if you had a skinnier face. So four years have gone by however many, how long it's been. And I just haven't improved on anything. I've, uh, I've definitely put on some LBs in the face. It's really scary when you look back three or four years ago and he's like a picture with me and my wife. And I'm like, whoa. Uh, I, I don't. Uh, I, I've, uh, I've definitely. Uh, uh, I don't feel that bad, but I definitely look worse. Dude, there's a picture of when I, like, interviewed for Barstool, like,

four and a half, five years ago, and I'm wearing this, like, I don't know why I was wearing a lay. I think Kayla Presley was giving out lays. It was Hawaii, Hawaiian Fridays. Horan Friday, and I was just sitting there with a nice colored shirt on, and I am 100 pounds. It's like I'm, I'm, I'm as thin as anything. And now you look at me, and I'm probably, like, 120 pounds, but the 20 of it is just drooping fat around all the worst places.

you can possibly think of. There's a new neck workout you can do to really help the double chin and the cheeks and everything. It's good. What is it? You just keep fast like this for a long time. There's no way, dude. It's not an approved workout.

Just end with a concussion. That's just whiplash. I mean, that's just like they actually say not to do that at all. It's good for 10 minutes a day, Frankie. You lose a pound a day. Just sitting there on the train. like, there was going to be like, what the fuck's going on over here? I guarantee you do that when you get on a plane.

No one's going to sit next to you. True. You do that. I'm listening to like slip knot. You do that, you'll lose enough brain cells where you won't care about being fat anymore. True. True. That's pretty good.

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like even going to the beach and stuff in Hawaii. So Palm Springs is easy to drive to. You know, it's four hours from here. And then I just go to San Diego and I drive back here to Phoenix. So hop in the, and it's the night. I like to drive, you know, as much. as we fly. It's kind of nice just to pile everything in the car. Like, and then you're done with the two weeks. You're like, I can't believe I just took all this crap. But like, it's nice to, I mean, you know, throw a cooler in the back. Why? Because I don't know, that's what your dad did growing up. So that's what you do now kind of the thing. Yeah, just just pile in the car and drive over. So that'll be nice. I haven't played Palm Springs in a couple years, but it's the same grass as

here in Phoenix area, the overseed. It's perfect weather most of time. And golf courses are obviously pretty easy you have to go low out there but it's a good that's a good spot to start the year i'm always interested in how much you guys focus on or think about the grass when you're choosing where to play i think a lot of like the average fan wouldn't even think about that you know like when i talk to i have covid so i'm coughing a little bit but when i have like kisner for example like doesn't go out west i don't know why i laughed i'm sorry he just doesn't go out west because he hates like the grass out west right it's interesting that that certain grass features into your guys choice to play in a term. Yeah, you know, there's a lot of the data out there now. You have the 15th

club or you got, you know, whatever, whoever you want to say. There's 10 plus people out there now doing stats on everything. And you can see like you're putting differences. I think if you do like daily fantasy stuff, you know, you can see the rankings of if well on Bermuda or Po or Ben or whatever it is. So me being a Northwest guy growing up on mostly Poe and bent grass, like that's what West Coast is, right? So that's what I prefer. And my stat, you know, I'm far better off those grasses. And so where kids grew up in the South and, you know, he's just, he's a Bermuda guy through and through and that's what he's good at. So you see that a lot. But there's also like, there's another one where I, you know, if you get enough years in, so this is starting my fifth year out here,

I've played almost every tournament, you can see like which, what are your best events? Like, how does the course stack up for you, whether it's a long course, short course, you know, whatever the grass is. So for me, preferably shorter and more narrow courses are better for me. But, you know, whatever that is. So it, and for me, you know, as a better you get a guy like Kisner, he's in all the WGCs, he's in all the majors. You have to like center your world around those.

So now you have those big eight events. And then he's got, you know, probably five or six set of big ones. the players in there. And so you've set up your schedule around the big events. And I'm not quite there. Like if I have a solid start this year or I play well this year, then I can start kind of gearing up for longer range stuff of, hey, I really want to play well at the majors this year.

I really want to play well here or there. And you can start kind of setting up your schedule that way. What's your ramp up to, you know, competing schedule or process or whatever you want to call it? What's that look like? It's pretty limited, probably compared to others. But next week, my wife and I are going on vacation to tell you ride with another couple. So instead of going to Hawaii, we're going to go to the mountains and tell you ride.

Going to go there for four days. Where the hell is that? Telluride is like southwest Colorado. Oh. Honestly, when you said that, I thought another country. Oh, yeah. You never heard of teluride? Another question that was.

It was like you were upset at it. You were like, no, I was like, dude, no. It sounded super unique and like exotic. I was like, holy fuck, where the hell is that? Yeah. A skiing in the country. You a big skier? I grew up doing a little bit of it.

I shouldn't ski anymore. I don't want to break a wrist, turn ACL. So I'm going to be in the bottom, whatever you, what do you want to call it? The pro shop clubhouse, the bar. I'll be in the lodge drinking. Well, my wife. odd day. No, that'll be fun.

You don't ski because you, because of your career. Yeah, like, I can get down a mountain just fine, but I know as soon as I get up there, I'm going to want to do what I used to do when I was younger, you know, like, let's go to a bigger run. Let's go, like, chase my wife through the trees and all of a sudden I hit a tree. And then, like, it's just not, like, I went sledding in Jackson Hole. Like, that was pretty fun. I feel like that's safe.

We did snowshoeing. Like, I did that. but I mean for me I'm out of practice and it's just not worth it for me to break a wrist or turn a expensive action. What snow shoeing? Where did you grow up, Frank?

I'm just a New York, like Long Island. I don't know. I'm surrounded by water. You know what a snowshoe is, yes? You have to. I'm picturing a boot. Hold on. Oh, of course.

Our outdoorsman has the snow at his place. Dude, and I've gone snowboard. before. I've gone to Keystone, Colorado. Like, I actually can get down a mountain. I have no idea what snow shoeing is. I'm also like, I just don't know what I'm doing ever. I got to ask you, what's the enjoyment with snow shoeing? It looks so difficult. Well, my wife chose that one. It's like hiking, but in snow. So that's really not that much. Oh, does it have like kind of like almost looks like a tennis racket underneath? Yeah. Oh, I've seen that then. Yeah. All right. So it's really nice. So we went into like three foot powder basically, but you mostly stay on

top of it. Oh, can you actually slide and glide, like in certain parts? So if you flip it, if you flipped it the other side, yeah, so there's a metal thing to help you, like, go up the hills. Oh. But going down, you can kind of lift your toe up and kind of scoot down, like, some steeper hills. That's pretty cool. But it's basically hiking through the snow, which is reasonably fun if you like hiking and doing active things. I don't, but there's a lot of people to do. So it was fun to do it once and we were in a cool area in the in the grand teetons there but it's not something I'm to do again he said where are you

from? Well you were like tell your ride and know where the hell you're going and then snowy ride what the hell is that telly ride for sure I thought was in like I don't know snow shoeing's just too hard to workout honestly if you go for I had so many layers walking is hard yeah and I was sweating so much like it's a real workout

Yeah, that's like people like cross-country ski. I don't get that. Yeah, yeah, that's weird. You can actually just go up to the top of the mountain. You can just ski down the, like, why would you ski on a flat part? Right. Cross-country skiing is awesome. So fun.

So not like traditional cross-country where you just go straight like this. The skate skiing is incredibly fun. And it's probably the riskiest skiing you can ever do. Like if you go down a hill or something like that and you have to turn, there's no edges. So you have to do this like walk turn thing. And if you can't do that, you are, you're going to hit a trick. You're a mess. I don't know what you're talking about.

So what is skate skiing? So skate skiing is a different type. It's cross country skiing, but it's a little bit different in terms of the skis are a little bit different. I'm going to hit my water bubbler in my room, by the way. They don't have a grip on the bottom. So you're literally on flat locations. You are skating like you're playing ice hockey. Okay.

Do you follow? So you can like, it's a hell of a workout. It's really fun. But if you're going up and down hills, it becomes a hell of a workout. I kind of visualized. I can, I know what you're talking about with that turn. I've seen that in the Olympics. I was going to say the guy, they turn in the Olympics,

then they like lay down and then they shoot a couple things. and then they keep like going around again. You're not, you're not talking about those people that ski and they do like a lunge every time they turn. Is that you're talking about? A lunge every time. You know those kinds of skis? No, lunge every time.

No, I don't know that one. You know what I like in cross-country skiing? Oh, no, no, that's telemarking. That's downhill telemarking. Skate skiing is the same thing as cross-country, you, but it's just like a little bit more aggressive, a little bit more athletic. I like when skate skiing is everyone's in the same line, they're all using the same thing, and then one guy like goes off of it to make a move.

Yeah. It's always like. They're drafting, and then all of a sudden he's like, screw you. I'm making my friend. Yes. Yeah. That is a hell of an actually event. That's one of, what is that called when they shoot?

Because when they miss one of the targets, they have to go around this loop for every miss that they do. What is that? It's a great event. Hours long, isn't it? Yes. Yeah, it's a crazy endurance event. What's more impressive that or water polo?

That question. I mean, but if a guy's, like, attacking you when you have the ball, like, that sucks because they basically drown you. Dude, treading water for, like, I don't know how long those matches are, but, like, that's the most impressive athletic feat. in all of humanity. Like being able to stay above water, play a sport, and have people, have people, like, defend you.

And like you said, like, there's no handles anywhere. I mean, they're surviving. It's the only sport in which they are just surviving. The goalie move, you know, the goalie move where they, like, nestle the top and then put their hands up there. At every moment, they're just surviving from dying at every second. Like, if they just stop playing the sport, they just go to the bottom of the pool.

I can't tell you how much I hate. that take, Frankie, but I'll just let it go. There's so much to talk about it. I mean, unpack that. I mean, what don't you like about that take? He goes unpacked that. Water polo is the what did you say? It's the greatest... Most impressive

athletic feat in all humanity. Yeah, okay. I mean, come on. Like, like, think about that. Like, think about how hard it is to stay afloat in a pool. There's a three-year-old kid who can swim for five minutes and you want to five-year-old Olympian. to like tread water for a while

and you say it's the most incredible feat ever? Yes. Yes. It's something that I can't even wrap my head around. Well, here's a question that you have to ask, Joel. Frankie, can you swim? Yes, I can swim. Yeah, I can swim.

I mean, I don't know what you guys. I got booze around my nipples. I fucking float right to the top. I mean, come on, man. Wow. Boy. Right around my neck. Yeah.

I can't wait for the summer to hit her. I'm just going to be sitting around like a, like a floaty. Yeah, like a floater. Like a beaver when you see one through the creek, just like my face just like. Oh, man. Yeah, water polo. I would like some water polo people to slide in my DMs and tell me how hard it is. There's got to be some sort of like metric that shows that I'm correct, that they burn X amount of calories.

I got a part. What? in the OC, the show the OC wasn't at their big sport where all the cool guys played like water polo? Oh, it sounds like a cool sport that they play in the OC. Wow. Hmm. I don't know.

I can't. I couldn't play water polo. I know that. But I also can't fucking ski, shoot things, and then cross-country ski some more. Can't do that either. But that's like a skill. The sport is biathlon in rigs. You would be horrible at it because it's cross-guns.

his game and shooting all blended into one. No, dude, you got your eyes fixed. Yep, eyes are fixed. I'll say there's a big difference between skeet shooting and like target shooting. Oh, I don't know. Definitely. Yeah, that's true. No, it is.

You can be right. I just don't know. I agree with that, Riggs. Yeah, for sure. Thank you, Joel. Moving target versus stationary. I agree with that. Totally.

Joel, what's your biggest hobby? Watching sports? Okay. grill? I don't know. Like, I, I, uh, like, I, I love watching sports, like all sports. Um, it's always been that way. And like it's, I mean, I like to stay on the couch, pet my dog and watch sports, I guess. But, um, I have a Trager and a green egg and I'm getting more into the, the grilling aspect and different type of meats out there and different way to cook them. So that's been kind of fun. Have you ever, have you ever dove in? Is it doven? Dived in what I always get?

mixed up on that doven have you ever dove into a meat twitter because it's a scary place i haven't done meat twitter but i've started following more like trager people or like more meat people on instagram i guess and that's kind of interesting because they like show you how to do on instagram they give you recipes you know they tell you some do's and don'ts and that's kind of fun well my point too yeah but like if you ever tweet it out like oh like this is the meat you're cooking that day you'll get people because like we always say there's different types of twitter like Golf Twitter is one of the worst twos in the world. Right.

Oddly drumming Twitter for me in my life has been a nightmare. Like I'll put up a clip of me playing the drums and they are dissecting if I'm over. Like I, they actually set a metronome to it and tweet it out to me that I'm not playing in time. It's a nightmare. And then they're crazy. But then meet Twitter. Maybe the craziest of them all. We've watched our guy, Glennie Balls, tweet out just him slow cooking something.

And they are going crazy. You didn't rap it the right way. What are you setting it at? don't lift it out to take a picture that exposed oxygen it's like you can't win with these people i'm glad that i will keep my meat off twitter then that's good that's a good rule to live by keep your meat off twitter yeah yeah i think that's fair really fair yeah i mean new year's eve we were supposed to have a couple people over and it didn't work out but i still had a nine pound prime rib that i threw on a week but uh that one came out really good

homemade bacon. I did that during quarantine. Big, that was fun. Like put it, you have to, I ended up smoking it for like six hours, but it came out really good.

You're a crispy bacon guy, or you like it a little chewy? Well, I like it if you could get both, right? So you get a really fat side of the bacon that doesn't get, so then one side crisp

and the other side's fat, like that's the truth. Frankie's looking for an ally on eating burnt ass. Bacon. When I go to a place, I say burn it, act like you need to throw it out, leave it on for another second, then bring it to me. Dude, that's just horrible. I also like burnt popcorn, homemade popcorn. Like, if the house is smoking and your mom's

running around, fucking spraying fucking fire extinguisher, I'm like, I calmly walk up to the microwave and I just take it out, put it in my bowl, and I like the, I like the charred taste. I don't know. Maybe it says something about me. Frankie, you described one of your buddies having to, like, paint that tree. Yes, yes. And he's a lunatic because he painted that tree. I haven't told that story here. Hold on.

You tell it, but you are the same person based on burnt bacon and burnt popcorn. You're the same. You're one of the same. We know, I know a guy that, uh, all my buddies, like, whatever, they're all in the police force. And one of my friends was trying to join in. And, uh, and, um, we have, we have this story about there's a psych test, which I, undoubtedly would fail within minutes. But it basically is like two hours long and they ask you all these things like,

oh, draw a house, right? So if you draw a house and you put like smoke coming down to the chimney, it's supposed to say something about you. Like all these people, like they have all these ways of like dictating and deciding your personality traits. So one of my buddies actually they said draw a tree. And he drew a dead tree with just like crazy amounts of. like fucking

branches and no leaves on it. Just like a tree you would see in the middle of the dark night in Salem, Massachusetts. Yeah, in a graveyard. And they're just like, you fell. Like, where are, where are like the bushy trees? Like, where is the, like, the bird flying in? Like, where's the happiness here?

And he's just like, like, how is when you think of tree to draw that tree? It's just a stunning, stunning fact. Like big loop-de-loops and put like a, you know, like the trunk and then that's it good the attention to detail with like a dead leaf like falling off they're just like they actually called

more police in to take them out like they actually it was a pre-crime I think they called it's got a dark he's got a darkness inside of him that's actually yeah no all right Joel we probably kept you for long enough

I mean I have a lot to do today I have to take out the trash and I have to take some extra excess stuff to Goodwill. So big, big day for me. Wow. I need to get one in the next seven hours. How long do you think it's going to take me? Seven hours. Yeah, probably seven hours. When you, you pack for your trip, are you a pre-packer or you packed last second? You like, yeah, I'd never pack. I'm a scramble packer. I feel like I'm a scramble anything. Like, you think at this point, like, as much as I travel, like, it's to be a part of my life and I have a routine down and stuff? No, it's like, I still show up at events and like, oh, I didn't bring underwear this trip.

Like, how the heck does this happen? Like, I'm a, you know, let's say that the flight leaves at 9 a.m. So I got to leave my house at 7. So I wake up at like 6.15 and like 10 minutes through all the crap in my bag, shower real quick and leave. And I'm like, well, I forgot my phone charger. I forgot this. I'm like, every week, it's something. So you would think that I could, like, repack a little.

little bit or maybe just leave you know like certain things in my suitcase and just always have them there but that's still rocking the bucket yeah the bucket will be around um obviously for mostly sunny weather which hopefully we have on the west coast but i think i think you'll see the bucket yeah that's a pretty good pretty good um career decision for that to have like your thing be the bucket guy i like that really didn't i i wish i was that forward thinking uh i wish was like is like, I'm going to wear this hat that no one else wears, and then I'm going to play good golf, and then people are going to like me. It didn't really, it was strictly like I wore it all the time here in Scottsdale.

Obviously, it's always sunny here. So if you're out in the sun that much, I was just trying to protect myself a little bit. And I finally got the balls, I guess, or the ball to actually wear it and out on tour. And I actually wore it with Tiger Woods, and that's what happened. It blew up. And then I feel like, well, I kind of have something here. to wear the bucket hat. Did Tiger say anything about your bucket hat? No, but his other 22,000 people following him certainly did.

Did Tiger say anything to you? I mean, nice shot a couple times. It's got to feel good. Building on something. Yeah, that's not nothing. Definitely the one. He talked plenty. Like, I was asking all the questions, but he was more than willing to chat. So yeah, I mean, it was, well, I remember walking off the first tea, you know, there's just people everywhere and I'm like, I was like, this is the world you live in. He goes, this ain't nothing, bud.

I was like, okay, never mind. That's got the chills. Yeah, me too. Wow. But it was. Where was it at? What turn? At D.C.

He was hosting that year, TBC Avenel, I think is what that's called. We were both in the 10. He birdied four. five, six, seven in a row to get one back on Saturday and the place was going nuts. It was pretty great. How'd you play? Were you able to keep your composure? Yeah, I actually did okay. I made it. I shot two under. I think I shot 69 with him. He shot 68. Vegas line was plus one and a half for me. So if you took me, I was, I was down three to him and I birdied 17 and he bogeyed 18. Oh. I won a lot of money. It was awesome. That is awesome.

Was it a, was it like a goal of yours to try to beat him that day? I mean, I had to be. Oh, I mean, I think after I got over like the shock and awe of a couple holes and I like, well, the first hole, like, it's like a hybrid or three wood. And I'm like, I'm teeing up driver because I'm so nervous. I want the biggest club I can to make sure this thing gets in the air. And I pit the longest drive of my life. Like, so far, way down there. And I had like a little wedge in and I could not.

And I hit it like 40 feet long. I was so jacked up. That'll then kind of after that. it okay. Is it like for someone like you that's like whatever like you're not playing in front of that many fucking play like fans as him. Was it like could you imagine doing that every single time you set up to a golf course? Like is that something you can get used to or no? I don't know how you'd ever really get used to it, I guess. I know Rory made a comment. It's like it's a one stroke penalty playing with him. Like I don't know. But more respect for Tiger and more respect for those top

guys. They have to do it every single week. And it's like I was mentally exhausted. for an extended period of time. Like, like, what you're, like, going, like, you, your mind just never shuts off. Like, you don't realize how much the adrenaline is rolling. Like, you just, like, it's just vibrating through you. So when you finally come down, like, an hour later in your home, like, on the couch, and you're, like, at all, like, you're just absolutely mentally exhausted. And I can't imagine doing that all the time.

But I think it's even more impressive when you play well, because if you're winning majors all the time or winning five or six times a year like you did, what that does do is un-like, it's indescribable, like how the toll it takes on you mentally to do that week after week. It's way harder to be in contention week after week than it is to float around in 40th. So it gave me more appreciation for him and the top guys because they're always playing front of big fans

and they're doing it week after week and they're playing at a high level. So it's harder than people could ever imagine. Wow. Did you feel like it almost like forced you to hone in and focus more than typical ones? Yeah, I mean, you're, you know, you're, you don't, you can't take a playoff per se or whatever, you know, do you want to call it? Like, there's no taking a shot off. It's like, all eyes are on you all the time and you don't want to like screw up, basically is what it comes down to.

where if I play in front of three people on a Thursday morning, like it's easy to kind of like fall, you know, just kind of go through the motions or whatever and not like have the energy going through. So, I mean, with that side of it's great. Like, it's great to have the fans maybe when you're not playing so well. But at the same time, like, it's really nice not to have them all the time. It's kind of like us when we play with just like,

when I play with my buddies who stink or I play with my buddies who are really good, I tend to play a lot better with my buddies who are really good because you're playing up to the competition as opposed to them dragging you down. And when my buddies who stink are worse than me, you know it's like bad golf. So like it's a six hour round. No one even cares at that point.

Like why are we even out? Let's just go to the bar. But when you play with your buddies? Yeah. No, that's a good point. I know. I mean, maybe for Tiger,

like maybe he's kind of immune to it now, but I don't know at the same time. He actually said like he's been struggling. during quarantine not i mean during this whole thing not having that right or people have said that for him uh saying it's a disadvantage yeah rory said it multiple times he's like every week feels the same out here like the only difference in the major like at the pg area of the u.s open is like there's just more tense like the buildouts bigger like for all the production but there's not anything different when you're out there on the seventh hole like and maybe there's two extra people or something in

a major but it all feels the same uh i know graham mcdowl called himself a golf zombie week after week. Because everything feels kind of the same and you don't have. Like when you're playing well on the weekend, like you, like for a guy like me who plays mostly in front of not many people, like, it's a reward to play well as you get to play or you get to play with the big guys. Like it's really fun to play with big crowds. You know, like Torrey Pines has great crowds.

Phoenix, obviously, is one of the biggest and best. RIV is one of the best. And it sucks. You don't recommend be able to have any of that. And the Florida events have great turnout. So, you know, hopefully we can. all kind of get back coming soon. And that's one of the things maybe, you know, I'm not, I'm not quite ready to go back to golf got. I'm having a fun time in my little offseason here and

hanging out and, um, enjoying my white claws. Just say it's actually, uh, you could use it to your advantage though, is not like you and Rory are on the same playing ground where he doesn't have that edge over you going into Sunday where he's used to the fucking crowds and whatever. Like, you're just like, hey, you're in my territory now. Like this is like, like, like, that's, That's actually pretty cool. It's way easier for guys trying to win for the first time when there's not. Yeah, absolutely. That's a good point.

It's weird watching old highlights and just seeing fans go crazy. Like, it's just weird. It's like a world I can't imagine. I'm like, get away from each other. That's dangerous. Yeah, that's a good point. Well, I think just after, like, around the new year, they, like, ran ever, like, the final round of every event last year.

And so, you know, like watching, I think I tuned in a couple on the West Coast. And it was like, oh, my God, that's, that was awesome. And like you forget, you think it's like five years ago, the way that we've been doing this forever. So. Dude, my phone was giving me like year and review photo, like, whatever, Snapchat or your photos. And I was like, man, like, this year I was at Islander Games jumping, like jumping on people

up the Coliseum. Like literally like like I was floating like crowd surfing and like a month later we're not allowed to see anyone like it was just I was like that was this year it feels like I was watching like a Maradona clip from like 30 years ago or something like it was just craziness in the crowd. I'm like there's no way that was now that was that was 30 years ago. It's impossible. With Aradona, did he have the hand of God? Is that is that his?

Maradona. Maradona put asses in the seats maybe more than anyone else in the entire. Have you ever watched that fucking documentary that? was on like HBO I think it was playing on like all the planes like at one point you know how like some things just go through rotation on all the airplanes right um watch this fucking documentary that i mean he was bigger than god walking around his home countries and like when they went to games what was he from argentina argentina yes and just like everywhere he went like you walk out it's i mean like we all watched um the last dance at mj and every time he walked out of a hotel it was crazy

but Maradona was, the country was outside whatever hotel he was at. It was, he couldn't, he couldn't do wrong. It was awesome. Is that how you say his name? I really hope so. I've said, I've said it five or six times here. I thought it was Maradonna.

I could be wrong. Is it Maradona? Is it Maradona? I don't know. I didn't know who you were talking about and then I figured it out. Maradona, Maradona. I feel like it's Maradona.

Man, am I exposing? I'm probably wrong. I really only just watched the documentary. This is what we do, Joel. We just spout shit that's not correct all the time. It was pretty damn close. Like, regardless of what it is, it's just that you might be right. You might, you, for all I know, you're right.

Yeah. I didn't mean to nitpick you. I was just asking, I was curious. You're picking some nits right now. Okay. By the way, Lurch did his thing where he DMs the Zoom group that he has to go to his real work job. I think I'm going throughout the trash.

We've kept them for too long. I think I watch. Joel Reed Lurch's message in the Zoom call. He was talking. Yes, he was talking about playing with that. What's up, Joel? I haven't read anything, but by now my wife's calling. Oh.

Oh, your wife's calling. Send his voice mail. We should probably let you go then. I think he took the call. I think he took the call. I think he probably have to be your wife calls. Yeah. Yeah, to all the listeners out there, Lurch did the thing where

he thinks that we're on like, you know, I'm back. Wow. Can you hear me? Yeah. I'm surprised that technology worked. Usually like it hangs up the other call. Yeah, I can't believe you figured that out.

Dude, I'm pretty tech savvy. No big deal. Yeah, that was impressive. We were saying Lurch does this thing where he thinks that we're like ABC News or something and that he can't just say to the show that like, hey, I got to go. And so he sends these weird, he sent like a Zoom DM, which I've never, he's the only person I've ever met and he doesn't. He's very like, he's very like cube life.

It's, it's really, really tough to be around. It brings us all down a little bit where he'll be like, hey, boy, is like going to ping you later. Like, like, is that a call? Is it a text? Is it? He said, like, at one point, like, I'm, I'm sending a note to this guy. And I was like, what is that? And he's like, oh, a DM on Instagram.

Like, that's not considered a note. No, it's considered a gift. It's just like he. talks like in an office jargon. Like, at least Riggs and I, we got into this business to leave that business and not ever talk like that ever again.

And then we lurch, he brought him into the fold and he's great. I love Lurch, but he says those words and it takes me right back to sitting in those cubicles and getting those emails that made me want to run out of the building like it was on fire. At some point he's going to drop TPS reports and we're just going to,

we're just going to fucking lose it. The whole place is just going to shut down. He'll text us and be like, how about we just circle back on this later in the week? And it's like, you know what? Why don't you shut the fuck up and never use that jargon ever again? We also do this thing where we talk about whoever leaves the podcast early, we just talk shit about them because they can't defend themselves.

Yes. But we will then tell Lurch that we talk shit about him to his face, which has always been my defense against talking shit. I'll let you know I talk shit about you so that you now can go back and listen to it. This is basically to his face, right? Yes. Yeah. Yeah.

It's sort of like, we're kind of like the lunch table in high school. And it's like the minute when you get up. Hundreds of thousands of people listening to us talking, talking to us, talk shit about someone instead of the five people. That's pretty pathetic. That's a good analogy. I like that one. Thank you.

Okay. I guess we'll let you go. I mean, I tried this already. It didn't work. Is this where you talk shit about me when I leave? Yeah. Yeah. When that video comes out on YouTube, are you going to watch it?

I have a viewing party. Everyone's got COVID. I have about 50 people over. I'm going to put it around the house. Yeah. It's going to be long. It's going to be a long. Those usually take, I don't know, I'd say it's over an hour.

Holy cow. Does anybody actually watch it? Yeah, man. They watch the shit out of it. Dude, the kids one has over. way over a million views. I mean, we just said the one with Page Spiratic.

That's at 300,000. Like, I mean, we're going to be putting them out like crazy. So I think people are, are eager or, no, it's not the word,

Frankie. They're, let me think about this one. It's, they're craving, I guess, they're craving it more. They're craving more for man scrabbles.

What are you making that face? Anticipating? Anticipating? I don't know. You know? It takes a real red right out. No, that's just the same.

saturation. Look, that's my, I can, I can, I can, I can, oh, ha, see, it's like a black and white, you know, or I can do, I can do, I'm going to do the joke, Trent. I'm so mad. This is what we deal with, man. All right. This is the podcast. This is the podcast. This is the audio, so none of that even mattered. We put it on YouTube. Oh, good place to go subscribe. Joel, subscribe to our YouTube page. I don't even, I don't

do, you have to have a YouTube login? Yep. That's your Gmail. You have a Gmail or something or some sort of email. Yeah, log in. Hey, maybe join the live chat tomorrow. That's a fun little thing for the people listening. I don't want to pin you down to that, but if you have a, if you have a minute or something, maybe hop in there.

What time are you releasing it? Why don't you guys? Boy, boy, yeah. 8 p.m. Eastern. That's six here. All right, I'll be pretty intoxicated. It could be fun. That would be fun, yeah. And you could like talk, talk through something.

The chat gets lively. People go crazy for the chat. So, yeah, it's like a live viewing party. Do you chat on YouTube? Yeah, so like we do a, it's a live viewing. It's a premiere. So like as a countdown, it's like 10, nine. Everyone goes fucking crazy.

We all take our clothes off. And then the video comes on and the chat goes crazy. So like everything we watch. It's almost like watching a regular show a lot. We all chat about it. That's awesome. Well, I'll, uh, send me a message tomorrow. We'll ping you.

We'll ping you tomorrow. Yeah. Or send a note or, uh, maybe we can circle back to that tomorrow afternoon, right? Okay. Yep. That's exactly right. All right, man. Thank you.

Thank you. Cheers, fellas. Enjoyed it. Have a good day. And, uh, we'll chat tomorrow. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Perfect. See you guys. Yeah.