Fore Play - Jon Rahm Unfiltered

Episode Date: February 2, 2023

Jon Rahm joins the show. Candid, raw, real, authentic. We discuss: showing emotion inside the ropes, the media’s portrayals, making a putt to beat Tiger in the Ryder Cup, carrying the Spanish golf torch, handling social media comments, LIV Golf’s place, the current hot streak and much, much more.You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

Hey, 4Play listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcast, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Oh, Rick! What's up, my brother? I've got a buddy who struggles with that shot. A lot. His name's Frankie Borrelli. So the guys actually gave him a nickname of Butter Nyes because he was always nice to the cross the green.

Rock a hundred. Now you've got to break 90. We appreciate what you guys do for golf. It's been really cool. Thank you. You're making it cool. I was like, hey, Phil, you own me fucking $29.99. And he grabs 100.

He's like, yeah, I won $90,000 of these yesterday. He goes, take 100 and go fuck yourself. What? What are you that hit with? It's a hobby. Foreplay, present our barstool sports, brought to you by our very good friends at Chevy, Chevrolet, a big show. I would say monumental show in the history of the Foreplay podcast.

We're here live from Greyhawk Golf Club in Scottsdale, Arizona. were joined. It's myself, Frankie Trent. We're joined by a man. I would say who needs no introduction, but you're going to get one anyways. He is currently a number three ranked player in the world, although he is breathing down the neck of number one ranked player in the world and his boy, his European Rider Cup teammate and fellow Starworth, Rory McElroy. He's an 18-time professional winner, nine times on the PGA tour, nine times worldwide. From Spain, he's got a beautiful wife, Kelly. He's got two beautiful sons with fantastic. Spanish names that I'm probably going to mess up, but I believe it's Kappa and Anako. Yeah, that's good. Wow. It's very close. How good are those names, by the way? He's the United States Open Champion, 2021 at Tori Pines, where he also won his first

PGA tour event in 2017, which was one week before we launched the Four Play podcast. Now we've come full circle when you're here. Welcome, John Rob. It's great to be here. You also, I'm honored. You also, I don't know if you know this, you share a sports psychologist with Frankie Borelli right here. Yeah, I was going to say we're teammates or we're patients, whichever way you want to look at it. But Dr. Brett McCabe is, I'm under his wing right now, and he's kind of just trying

to get me dialed in. He's good. I actually don't talk with him so much of a golf. One of his specialties is family relationships. So a lot of it. He's almost more of a marriage counselor than anything else. Holy shit. So he helps with Kelly and I and family dynamics, because that's an important thing, right? For sure. Things in a family. Once you turn pro because Kelly was with me throughout the process can get complicated. That's amazing. That's really interesting because you hear that a lot with athletes, with getting married. There's a stereotype.

Like once you get married, it'll play as well. You've got two young kids now. I mean, yeah, how difficult is that to balance everything? Or does it help? Probably helps. Well, listen, we hire the help. Luckily, we can afford it. Yeah.

It's just this week. One of them had the week off and we get Monday and Tuesday off to the other one. So we've been a little busier. You can hear my voice. that have been sick, both the kids have been sick, so it's been a little bit busier, but it's probably being a parent. I mean, I'm not the only one. There's millions of people that have actual jobs that have a bit more of a struggle and have to take care of kids. So for me, it's more on Kelly in this, in this type of line of work where golf takes up so much

time, it's a lot on the wife. It's up to her to pick up a lot of this luck. And I got very lucky and very blessed in that sense. I also want to note that you showed up by yourself. We weren't sure if some golfers showed with a big entourage, you just showed up John Rom by yourself. I'm impressed by that. That's pretty cool. Sometimes my manager will be here, but I don't like walking around with the crowd. Yeah. You know, I mean, growing up in Spain and I was one of the, the only person in my class that played golf, I got used to being alone on the golf course and doing stuff like that.

So I don't need somebody with me all day. If somebody was coming with me, it's because they would be doing the interview otherwise. I mean, I can take it around myself. I don't know. Yeah. I'm not that big a deal. I'm just a golf group. John fucking wrong.

Yeah. I'm not, I'm a big deal on a golf course. I can walk down the street anywhere except my hometown and I'm perfectly fine. Really? I'm not, no. God,

it's interesting to me. Not even close. You're so recognizable. Well, it could also be because on TV, they make it sound like I'm the angriest person on the planet. Well, we got to get into that.

So maybe people think I'm always angry and I might bite your head off, but that's not true. I think we jump right into that. I mean, that's been a topic of discussion on our show. And I wondered for all the, years, you know, we, you know, we make jokes and every time we see something, well, I'm a headcase myself, so I always really, I would say, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, so I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I actually, we find funny. We're like, this guy, he blows up, and then

there's a moment, and you can, we don't, we, we said it's almost like diffusing a bomb, like, he's trying to do it and then all of a sudden it explodes you know what i mean like it's how do you you can see you're trying to diffuse this thing and it's just going to explode in two seconds but what i always say is golf golfers get kind of fucked in the sense that like in baseball if i if i'm if i'm up and i pop up to the pitcher and i and i stranded three runners on base i'm allowed to take my bat and throw it on the ground or i go into the dugout and i take my helmet and i toss it and no one says a word they actually like you In hockey, you can literally fight someone out of aggression.

In football, you can push a guy and be like, fuck you. But in golf, if you say like, damn it, they're like, whoa, whoa, he's mad right now. In every other sport is passion. Right. And golf is an issue. I don't know why. You have that passion. Yeah.

I mean, listen, I spend a lot of time doing what I do as everybody on the PGA tour. We're all going to have different reactions. And yes, sometimes I wish it was a little different to what I do. Sometimes it gets a little bit out of control, but for the most part is what I need to do. You can't imagine how many times it's helped. You're right. Like how many times? I made bogey on Maui on the first hole.

I'm walking to the next D. You can't see me or hear me, but I'm losing my freaking mind. Follow on to make 11 bernies or nine bernies in an eagle to win a tournament. Unfortunately, in a mental coach, the national coach and mental coach in Spain told me many times. The reason is being so hard for me to change is because it helps me so much. there's some situation where it doesn't but for my whole career it's helped me play better

right I think Bramacabas said like don't change who a person is try to channel it in a way that it's going to help you and I think you've done that almost better than anybody so the main thing that annoys me I don't mind getting mad at myself is when I start deflecting and I get mad at things outside myself

that's when I get and it comes out whiny that's what I don't like and that's what I want to change and that's what I'm working and changing you talk to anybody from junior golf to college to now there is an improvement. There's been times when I go to the golf course and I say, I'm not going to get mad today

and I don't get mad and I shoot 72. And I'm like, what happened? And I'm like, you know, it helps me. So there's a way between this, there's a thin line and that's what I'm working. And I want to keep getting mad because everybody does, right? This is how it's portrayed that sometimes I don't like.

And I can pinpoint every time of my career that I haven't liked. It's just, and there's a little bit of it. It's a work. It's a working problem. progress. You're a fire. You can't put water on the fire where you're in the heat of it. Right. Well, and then you see me in the writer cup and it's, oh, it's great TV.

You see my finish at the U.S. Open and the fist pumps and it's great TV. I mean, it's going to be. It's going to be a balance. It's going to be a balance, right? Yeah. And I think, as a viewer, right? Like when we've talked about it, we like, like, frankly said, we try to make people laugh. That's what we do.

So obviously, we see that. We're going to go crazy. But it's great TV. It's great for the sport. It's your infinitely more entertaining and intriguing to watch than most players because of that. Well, thank you. I was true yeah I mean listen I'm not that's one of the complaints I hear about golf that people are like robots totally you're not gonna get that from me the most robot like you'll see me was a Palm Springs and I got mad my fair zero times you might see it or not but it's it's there right that Sunday in Palm Springs was about as even as I probably would have been but for the most part you'll see me fist pump and you'll see me there's always going to be some kind of reaction yeah I uh the Palm Springs So that, you know, an incident like that's interesting where, you know, you made the comments about the putting contest. You get upset.

I had to say that. I need a redemption to say that. That was just funny. When you see, which is great, I liked you did the callback. When you, when something like that happens like it did last year and then you find out afterwards that those comments were caught, like, what's your reaction to that? Do you care? Whatever. I mean, it was, I remember, to a 17 at Nicholas, there was like three people on the green. I'm like, come on. the odds of that happen I have all the things have said with thousands of people watching this gets caught like that yeah but the truth is I mean

I was mainly making an argument to the fact that I was playing so bad I had no business being on the top 15 no business like that year there was zero penalty for missing the faraway yeah not whatsoever so and it's actually courses that I like right it's something that I like it's a tournament that I like and I won twice there obviously I like it

But it's just funny that that was just the timing. Yeah. What kind of setups do you like? What do you have? Anything. Anything. Obviously, Tor is one of my favorites. I like it when it's a little tougher out there and you got to go out there and perform, right?

I like it. Palm Springs, you still have to go out there and make birdies. That's kind of what it is. You play three different courses. That makes it a little bit more difficult. I wish we could see more rough. But the time of year makes it difficult. I mean, you would have six feet of rough and then dormant road permit out, which makes it.

It's almost like far away. But set-ups like Memorial, Tori, where, you know, 10 to 15-under is going to win. And if you shoot 15-under, you're winning by a margin. Those tough ones where 16-enders is a heck of a round. That's where I liked. Do you go into a tournament with a number usually? No, God, no. I've been, we've been so wrong lately.

Like, I've heard Jack Nicholas had an innate ability to predict the score. Who would have guessed whistling straights 20-under was going to win? Yeah, right. And then I saw the golf course, and I said, how the hell they shoot 20 under here? Right. Right. Who would have guessed? I wouldn't have guessed that Southern Hills would six under five under went into the

playoff? I think it was five. Without win, that would have thought it was higher than that. It would have been higher. Yeah. So I can't really tell you the score. It's maybe before Sunday, like on Saturday night, I can have a pretty good guess,

but not before the week. They can change it too much nowadays. Do you change your strategy or approach much based on what the scoring is doing? or do you, how deep in the course management and strategy are you? No, it depends. You have to get in there. I mean, if it's, if birdies are hunted come by, you have to pick and choose when you can be aggressive, right?

That's the main aspect of things. But not really. I don't stray too much from what I feel like is my playing style. Your lines might change a little bit, right? So you can always make aggressive swings into more conservative lines. That would be the easiest way to put it. So if we take Torrey Pines, for example, put it on the furrowe wheel on one, you're not always going to rifle at a back, right pin because it's not the easiest. So you might, you know, your landing spots might change a bit to give yourself chances.

But for the most part, I'm pretty much at the pin for the most part of the tournament. Sundays, you might change a bit. From Bolt to Blazer, which I love the Blazers and the Bulls. Equinox to Silverado. What am I talking about right now, Trent Daddy? Chevrolet. Chevy EVs, which are for everyone. everywhere, electric vehicles.

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Yeah, that seemed, I was shocked when I saw that. But you're open to hitting the shot, put it in, and then do it. I can hit the T shot, put it on. But I don't know, obviously. If you, like, missed the green, you're like, that fire comes up and you're on national. That's what they want. They want to catch the catty interaction, too, right? Like, I don't want to be, like, on and off.

So they did ask me to do it on 16 here, which would be a little bit easier. But, yeah. Like, I don't know, you know, it would be hard to be thinking about the shot and explaining all those things. Do you like that atmosphere, 16? Love it. Okay. Love it.

What did it, Max did it on 13, didn't he? He did it on 13. Yeah. How did he do on the hole? He hit a great drive. Then he hit it, what, into like a green side bunker or something? Yeah. And did he get up and down?

I'm not sure if he got up and down. But the clip that was on Twitter, he hit the shot, T shot pretty much exactly how he was describing. And then walking up to the second shot, he talked a lot through, like, you know, obviously this next shot is a big one. You've got to be really smart based on where the pin is, because if you fan one, and you end up in one of those bunkers that's on 13. That's the third bunker down or whatever. Friday then, right? Yeah, I think it was Friday.

You know, you have a hard shot. So he's talking through it. And it was amazing because they had Trevor and they had a couple different guys like like pepper him with questions and all that going on. And then he hit the shop. But they had him and Joe talking through the show. Yeah. A lot of breath too walking up the family.

Yeah, he's like panting. It's a walk. Oh, if you put him like on me, I'd be breathing into that thing. Honestly, people don't realize because that after the T-show you know that. Yeah. You're walking all around. And you're trying to talk and walk. I get it.

I mean, I would be too. I don't know, you know, like, I don't know how much I want to talk about the shot. Yeah. While I'm playing a tournament. I'm okay. Like, European 2, that's great. We do mid-round interviews. I'm okay with that.

I've told them a million times I will do it. But I don't know how okay I am with having a birdie pot or a part pot on that crazy environment with an earphone. Like, I just don't know. And what you just mentioned. I don't know if I have the self-awareness. if I hit a bad shot to not say what I can't say. So I don't know. Even better.

Yeah, like I don't want it to affect my score. Yeah. We're going to go down a genre. Okay, we're going to go back to the booth here. One long, please, please, please, please. Like, I don't want it to. I think it's a national emergency. Like, I'll be okay on 17, for example, if I hit the T shot, then put it on and start

talking up until I get to the green. I'll be okay with that. It's a good couple minutes. To compromise with them. Yeah. And then on the green, I take it off, give it to them, and I finish. I don't know if I want to have it on the entire. time. Yeah. Where did this fire start? Obviously in Spain, did you play like contact sports? Were you a

multi-sport athlete? Like, where did this all start? No, I played every sport I could growing up. And so younger brother, I think, almost every younger civilian sport competitive than the oldest. Yeah. I could be wrong, as is my case. My dad's very competitive. My brother's very competitive. My grandpa was very competitive. So we're all the same. Hate to lose. We always laughed. We teed off as a family. We rarely, all of us would finish. finish. It's not just me, guys, just so you know, it's not just me. It's probably not helping the Spanish stereotype either. It's amazing. I think a lot of families can relate to that. For sure, definitely. But I grew up playing a lot of sports, and I've always had it to lose,

hate it to lose. I just don't like it and love to win, obviously. So it's something I was born with. I couldn't tell you. And I think my parents recognized that and fed into the competitor of no such a child. So I grew up playing golf, obviously. grew up, I was a goalkeeper in soccer. I did the Olympic canoeing, K1 canoen. Sorry, K2, K2 canoeing. K1, I think it is. This is the one where they're not rolling backwards.

Those are hard. Those look hard. Kind of like kayaking, but they're zooming. I mean, I did that for a few years. Sport here known as high ally. For people that know what high ally is, you can look it up. Isn't that like, it could be like the most, like, fastest, well, in sports. the fastest ball, but then also...

Imagine a massive squash cord with a baseball ball that is harder and bounces more than baseball. And they have this like basket looking like a hook. And they're basically catching a sling it. So I played that with a wooden paddle. That game's crazy. So you have to wear a helmet. Yeah. Because you can...

There's two people on the back, two people on the front. It's easily 30 years long. So the people on the front, you can get smoked. Yeah. I've hit somebody. I've been hit. So you have no other padding, by the way. If you get hit on the spine or on the back or the wrist, you feel.

feel it. And yeah, you play with the wooden paddle. I grew up playing that as well. Another variant would you play with a racket and more like a rubber ball? No helmet, but if you get hit, that stinks for a while. So if you see the sport and you see my swing, you'd actually realize, okay, that makes a lot of freaking sense. Oh, no way. Yeah, if you pulled up an image, you would see. And then I did a little bit of Kung Fu and martial arts growing up because I liked it. Even a few years as a pro early on. You'd be a fierce about it. I did sometimes. I just like it. I like the whole what they stand for, right? I think I'm going to try how my kids do it as well. Really? Yeah. It's more of learning to be able to defend yourself and knowing when to do it. Yeah. It's just having certain physical ability.

I had one time playing golf with my brother just the two of us. I made a big put on 18 to force a playoff against him. He grabbed out of the hole and threw it in the water. And I refused to play the playoff unless he went and got my ball out of the water. And then we had to just drive home together in silence. So I get it. The siblings. My brother's six years older, so I couldn't beat him for a long time.

I think he stopped playing golf before I could beat him. He was a soccer player. So I don't know. We didn't have anything like that. My dad definitely got competitive. You're getting into the pickleball rage at all? Half played. Yeah.

I just... I have a space for a pickleball. I actually have the lines for the pickleball court in the basketball area at the house, but I just don't... Like, I don't... I feel like it's an unnecessary way of possibly getting hurt. Yeah, there's a lot. I feel like there's a good amount of knee injuries.

I've had too many people tell me, and I'm big enough to reach quite a bit. And I also love to play with people on my own level. I've going to play with people that play way too much and they're good. And it's no fun. We played against Laris and Strait. No fun. I told him, I'm like, if you want to play against me with no strokes, that would be like

what I'm feeling right now. Right. I'm sweating as much as I can. I'm tired. And I'm basically getting skunked every single time. Like, this is no fun. We played with Larry Fitzgerald and he made me want to quit sports forever. He's not even a professional.

He's just insane. The guy plays three hours a day. He's like the craziest athlete I've ever seen in my life. And he just dominated. I'm like, I don't want to play this. He's trying to get me on the court. He tries to get everybody out there. He just can humiliate you.

Yeah. It's awful. And I'm way too competitive. And I don't want, we're good friends. I don't want to end up in those terms of them. You just go spear him. Fuck you. By the way, see he went viral like last week for his fat ass. He's got a, he's got all over his SPN.

He's doing this interview. And everyone's like, when the hell did Larry Fitzgerald get kicked up? It was crazy. He's always been that way. So this is the thing. We have the, he introduced me to the person that does our custom clothes, like suits and things like that. And it's funny.

When Larry gains weight, because in the off season, he would always get a little weight. He doesn't go to his belly, a little bit talk. He was straight to his butt. straight to his it's so funny his legs just get this big but the rest looks the same you can see it as funny as hell

from looking at him straight you see it kind of just on the sides it's amazing he doesn't look like that before it's nuts no he did I mean on the football field you can't tell but he did

yeah it's just getting bigger you mentioned playing someone with no strokes a lot of talk about what your true handicap would be what do you think about all that it's not plus 13 what do you mean it's not plus 13 is

shocking number I have had some people, it is weird how kind of this works. I have some people at Servile if actually I play with that are two or three handicaps. I think one of them gave them 16 strokes. Well, they were playing as if, right? Like, we were really having a game. And I ended up beating them by one. And they didn't have their best day. So I think to some people, I think if you're a higher handicap, there's a better chance of me possibly winning and making it a fair fight. Because you can have a brilliant bad day and we can actually have fun against the scratch handicap if I give him 13 shots.

I have no shot. Like none whatsoever. So this is a line there. Yeah. I see. I see. So you mentioned basketball court. You like to just shoot hoops?

It came with a house. I'm not going to lie. Okay. What do you do? I would love to. I'm terrible at it. Me too. I'm terrible at it.

Me and Steph Curry still have a challenge pending. I'm probably going to lose. What's the channel? You guys didn't see it on social media. They asked him was more likely that I make 5.3. If we started at the same time, it was him making 5 20 footers or me making three-pointers who were making first. He said 5-20-footers.

I'm like, if I can pick the putt, I'm saying me. Yeah. Because I'm going to give him the craziest break. And the funny thing is I got Damien Lee, his brother-in-law involved. I'm like, hey, man, you got to help me out because he plays golf. And I know Steph is a great golfer, so I got him involved. And he was asking for videos of my shooting technique. He was very kind.

I know it's terrible. It's just funny. Because especially at the house, I don't have the three-point, the NBA three-point line. So I don't know. I think if you pick an easy 20-footer because I looked up the make percentage is pretty low. Yeah, it's very low. Single digits, right? From 20 feet?

Unless you're Jordan Spee, the single digits, I think. Yeah. You got to be able to get a basket. You can shoot a three. But he plays a lot more golf than I play basketball. You can get the room. She's like 20%. That's still way.

I feel like I can rapid fire more threes than he can do with putts. That's the only reason. If we have the same amount of attempts, he might have a chance, but I feel like if I have endless amount of racks, I can just keep shooting until I make five. 20 foot is too hard. For a three footer? A three pointer.

NBA three? It's not comparable. It's not comparable. NBA threes are deep. Yeah. Yes, very deep. He thinks he'll win. I think you win.

I mean, I don't blame him for thinking. He can win. What do you do? If it was reversed, he's winning 100%. I know that. Yeah. He's making five three pointers way before I make five. Five.

Five shots. What are you do? Doing you free to you play video games? I don't have that much free time right now. I used to play a lot, yeah. Before we had kids, Call of Duty. Always play Cold Duty. I play at either Warzone or...

Do you wear the headset and get into it with people? I don't try stock. I'm playing my friends. I'm not going to... You break any controllers? No, God. I don't get mad at playing video games. I do.

I broke. I'm terrible. I'm too bad to get mad. I can't believe you're bad at these things. I feel like you'd be good at everything. Well, in quarantine, I got decent. I got decent. I played a lot more zombies in Call of Duty just because you'll be two hours or, you know, survival, Easter eggs, blah, blah, blah.

It was a little bit better. I got tired of going into multiplayer or going into a war zone and freaking land five seconds later. You're dead. You have to wait 10 more minutes to respawn. It's annoying. It's just annoying. Resident nerd back there. He's a big video game guys laughing.

Yeah, exactly. And then I watch Valorant and I watch Apex and I'm way too hard. Fortnite before people learn how to build skyscrapers in five seconds. It was fun. It was so much fun. Yeah, it was fun. You know, hide on a booze grenade launcher. It was great.

A little bit of fun. But people got too good. So now what I have is the Nintendo Switch on the road and I play Zelda Breath of the Wild. Oh, Zelda's great. So the new, I haven't played the new one. It's not me neither. But I'm trying to finish this one 100%. All the side egg, all the side hysterics, all the side quests, everything before I move on to the next one.

On the road a lot of you. That sounds like a little bit too nerd, right? No. No. The items, all, everything. You got to do it. But it's just entertaining. And for flights, if the kids are asleep, you know, instead of watching a show,

at least I'm putting your attention on something else. Are you like a binger of shows? Do you get into the mix of like, you know, the last of us now on HBO is a zombie show? I haven't watched that, actually. You would like that if you like zombies? So I watch everything with my wife, obviously. She does not do go with anything scary. It's scary.

It's scary. I'm not doing it. It's like it's like it's straight up, comedy or a little bit of, like I just what got her. I told you're going to love suits. just got her into watching suits. Oh, yeah. Good one. So I'm rewatching suit. She's watching it for the first time.

She's loving it. But like we watch like modern family, Big Ben Theory, friends. Love the Big Bang Theory. Yeah. You know what I mean? The TVS special at night. Big Bang Theory is your favorite show. Is that right?

What? It's really good. It's good. I'm telling you. I've been trying to get these guys on it. And they're like, oh, it's this. I don't say it. Some people have white noise.

I just put one of those shows. I've watched a million times. I do the office. I put the iPad on the floor and I just have it as sound. and I go to sleep like that. I can't go to sleep with that. You're with the Big Bang Theory. I've never seen the office.

What? I know. You got the Big Bank Theory. You don't need things. I offend a lot of people. That's offensive. I offend a lot of U.S. people when I say how many of the American classics I have not watched. And people get mad.

I mean, you're. Yeah, I've been here for 11 years, man. I've had time. That's true. That's all good. That's good. We do this trivia show at Barstle. And one of the categories is like a niche category where it's like they're going to ask you a very

specific question and you have to make sure that you're 100% on it and Trent picks Big Bang Theory. Yeah. I really do love that show. That's how much he loves that show. It's exactly what you're saying. You can just have it on in the background and I think there's very few questions. I wouldn't get 100% on the show. Do you remember the question that you didn't get wrong that you didn't get correct? We could probably pull it up. I think I just probably put my foot at my mouth. No, it was a tough question. It was a tough one, but you might you might be able to get you know. I don't know. I don't make it to the latest thesis that often. I don't know. Do you remember the episode where Sheldon and Raj go to a

college mixer? Yeah. Okay. So. With a green lantern lantern, yeah. He did it. That's the answer that I... That's the answer. That's the answer.

What was the gift that they gave him to try and persuade him to go on the date? And he was the green lantern. At first, at first he gives him the Hulk. Come on, John, Rob. Let's go. I told you like the show. He failed the whole fucking thing.

That was the whole debate. John, listen. John, listen. It was a whole debate. John, listen. So I got it wrong because I said Holkans, and they were like, no, it's the Green Lantern, Lantern. I had the parts of the episode switched around, but you would have gotten it right.

You would have gotten it right, dude. Holcans. Can you even tell you the drink that Sheldon gets. What is it? It's a Shirley Temple. Yeah, it is. It's funny because I'd never heard of that. I was telling Kelly, like, what the hell is this?

You never heard of Shirley Temple? That was great. I do have a pretty good memory, But I, you know, like, at the end it was going to be like that. I just, I don't know. I've watched it a lot. That's the thing. Every night, it's to that.

If you ask Kelly about modern family, she'll tell you anything. Modern family was a great show. Yeah, it's a good show. Does your memory extend onto the golf course where you can remember every shot you hit throughout a tournament? A tournament? God, I can tell you every shot I've hit the last, I don't know how many years. Wow. I just, it's something when I'm passionate about.

I don't forget it. Yeah. Let's go seventh hole final round, Torrey Pines this past weekend. That's a bad hole. God. pull my driver on the bunker left, which usually is fine, but he went up against one of the tongs that comes in. So my foot was on the edge, ball below my feet,

153 meters into the wind of the left. You always go meters? This is psychotic. So I have no, yeah, I basically hit a seven iron spun a bit too much. I ended up in the bunker. Didn't get up and down. You didn't even think of it. Like, that's just still rattling them too.

You can tell. He's like, oh, battle. No, it was very close. I mean, it was not that long ago. I can't remember what we ate last night. Yeah, we're really. I do. I do.

If you ever talk to my coach in college, Tim Mickelson, I used to annoy the hell out of him with, with that, because I remember everything. And he would get very annoyed. Even Rory Macquarie a couple times, because I watch a lot of videos and highlights. I just love it. He, like, I don't know, he was somebody sitting for the first time. And I didn't realize I did this, but Rory's like, oh, be careful because John's going to tell you every single shot you ever hit.

I'm like, sorry, man. I'm just, I like the sport. what do you want me to tell you? Yeah, right. Do you watch golf coverage or you're not playing? I have a hard time watching the coverage. I'll watch highlights. I just don't have four hours to sit down and watch the whole thing.

I actually, because I wake up early, I'll turn on European tour. When I have my coffee, when the kids are asleep, I'll watch European tour. But I'm never midday at home to be watching, right? So I don't know. If it's on the range at the club or at the bar in the background, I'll be watching. But yeah, I mean, I love the sport. Like I said, and I'll watch anything, anything that's on TV. have the time.

You ever get to first tea jitters anymore? Yeah. You're all nervous, yeah. Yeah. It just means he matters. Right. The day you're not nervous, it means he doesn't matter.

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And I want to ask you about, I believe it was the 2012 European Boys Championships. You finished second in stroke play. Yes. Playing for Spain. And then what happened? Yeah, we're on the drive home. I get to my hotel room, put the bag down. I see this an extra club in the bag.

so as we're uh you know how to talk to our coaches i'm like hey man i just signed the wrong scorecard because i play with 15 clubs wow that crazy holy shit and yeah we uh my count my round didn't because i got this qualified he counted somebody else's round and that took us from qualifying to the top eight to play for the championship and match play to being on the bottom made and basically not matter in the next three days. That was how I meant my, like, Tim Mixo, my head coach. That was his first introduction to me, getting disqualified. How old were you at the time?

16 or so? Yeah, 16. 16. That's incredible. Yeah, I think he was on the way back in the van, something like that. Like I mentioned something, like, I think I played with 15 clubs. So there was any part of you in the hotel room being like, eh? Or were you just instant?

I got to tell somebody. No, no, I think I remember correctly when I was in the van. man what I thought like, hey, I might have played with 15. You just told your coach right away. Yeah. And that's kind of what happened. What a game, man. That takes a lot.

What a game. I would take the most. I wasn't the only one. Somebody else did the same thing, signed the scorecard and literally walked back in 10 minutes later saying, hey. I wasn't the only one to do that that day, actually. Somebody else did. So, listen, it is what it is. Yeah.

We had won the year before, so it's okay. Have you ever, I mean, golf's tricky, right? And then we talk about it's on the golf, or all. when it comes to the integrity and that hopefully everybody's playing by the same rules and with the same integrity and all that is it and most players have or all have have you been in situations where somebody in your group has done something sketchy and you have to figure out whether you're going to say something or not i've been accused a couple times uh but i haven't had any situation what i had to say something you've been accused by who well at the irish open the first one i won where i marked a one

footer and I marked it a bit to the side because the player I was playing with had a foot and three inches and just because it was raining with the umbrella I didn't want to spend half the time getting wet moving the stuff so when I replaced it I guess I didn't replace it on the right spot but it's a put this long I guess I know it matters but like it's raining sideways so I'm like put it down finish move on right and that's when I was told me around and afterwards I showed me the images but it was to the discretion of the officials I told them I'm like listen it's raining I have no idea right So it is that situation, one of them.

I mean, things that happen like that to me is some perspective. I give it just part you're never going to miss. You don't make a big deal out of it. Obviously Memorial. I'm still pissed about that. Yeah. Probably the greatest shot I'll ever hit on my career. I've hit till now and has never talked about and it's tainted because my ball moved.

When I wasn't even looking down, I was looking up all that happened. So right. See, those are those instances are though like it's not like this guy's cheating. It's like there's something that occurred that, you know, changes your scorecard, but not necessarily that you were deliberately going out here. My only issue was something like that happens. First of all, they, it has to be visible to the human eye. And I had myself, my caddy, Ryan Palmer, and he's caddy close enough to all see it if that happened. Right. Because I drew a pretty good lie. So if it's moving, you're going to see it. And nobody saw anything. It was a four. camera zoomed up and you see it move ever so slightly. So according to the rules, that shouldn't be a penalty. Now, if you're going to give me a penalty, don't wait till I'm done.

Because then it's covering your ass and putting me on a bad light. Tell me on 17, so it still matters. It doesn't happen like imagine a football game with somebody scores, right? And they win by, let's say, eight points. Like, oh, that touchdown didn't matter,

but you still win by one. Well, it might have been consequential while you were playing the game. Totally. Right. So I'm TNoff, 17 and 18 with a five shot lead. It's different to TNO for the three shot lead. For me and Ryan. So when those things happen, that to me is if you're going to make a change and you're going to allow people to call in and all those things to matter,

if you're going to penalize somebody, you have to do what they're playing. Whose call is that in real time? I have no idea. This doesn't happen that often in golf. Right. That's a thing. Yeah, but when it does, you know, I remember obviously the DJ incident from 2016 in Okman when it was like, but they told him once it occurred, they told him whenever they told him.

in the middle of that round. I remember the Lexi Thompson one of the, where they told her. Somebody called a three in the morning. This is one of my things too. If we're still signing scorecards, which to me is pretty useless right now, like we all know what we shot. The second the scorecard is signed, that score should not be allowed to change. Tiger

was added two strokes. At the Masters, right? If you haven't caught that by the time, the round is over. Yeah, I agree with that. Period. You cannot change it. You shouldn't be allowed. Any changes should be done before the scorecard is signed. Or you can't punish somebody for signs. something if you change the scorecard afterwards.

Yeah, Lexus was the same thing, right? So it's another one that was this far. Yeah. Right. How could you be like, oh, by the way, we just decided that this is against the rules and you signed in a correct scorecard because we just decided. No, I signed a correct scorecard. We didn't allow you to have this information prior to signing the card.

That's nuts. That makes no sense. It's like, when somebody says this takes like aging poorly. Like, no, actually it aged perfectly. During time. It was correct. When I signed the scorecard, it was correct. On Twitter, man, like in our world, when like, I'm a huge hockey fan, New York Islanders

and I'll be like, the Islanders are the islanders are the best team ever at night and then they'll lose and they'll be like oh are they not the best team ever now it's like well at the time they were winning three nothing so like it was correct we're the team right like so social media man oh it's the worst does it ever get like does it get into your circle of like what's being said and like you know like we make jokes on the podcast and we're like he's he's crazy out there he's blowing up today like are you ever being like fuck these guys fuck that person whatever if i saw it yes i just don't see it okay you don't see it that's really impressive in this day and age. I don't have it on my phone. See, that's the way to do it,

though. So, like, we're in a business where we have to be on it. I wish I could do that so bad. He's in a position where I tried and it affects my mood too. And it's not only when people talk about me. Right. If I post a picture or something about me and Kelly or got for me and my kids and somebody says something negative. Yeah. That's seen right. My instant action is, okay, I'm going to find you. Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to break your face in. Right. Sorry, I'm not really doing that. Right. No, totally. I think that's a natural reaction. Like, I remember me and Kelly were in New York for the first time. I'm in the Statue of Liberty. I posted a picture and I can only see so many gold digger comments. Right. When we met in college before I even was anybody, right? So I just said I'm done.

I can't. So the stuff I post, I say it myself and it's things that I say, but I don't have it on my phone. I tell somebody to do it. Yeah. I can't. I just can't deal with it. That's honestly the healthiest way to live in the year 2023 if you think about it. Like you're like, you're in such a- I don't have that much exposure because right because if you perform in the golf course which you do like your life is what it is you don't have there's no reason to be on social media. And you're eliminating like what like the worst part of the world right now which is like we're just sucked into this like how many people are like getting depressive and trying to commit suicide pun because of anonymity. It's horrific. If you had your ID, your social and your freaking address. Yep. As your profile where people can find you maybe you wouldn't say the things you say. We're convinced like when we get like four or five messages of the same thing. It's the same. It's the same guy. just walking into five different things. And we're like, how is that a lot? I've thought about doing a burger account.

I've thought about doing a burger account. That would be amazing. If you do, can you let, I won't tell anybody. Just want to follow it. I just want to follow it. Like, why is Riggs following this guy? I think it would be too obvious. I think it would be way too obvious.

Yeah, you'd be like, I said, there's already cases where it's too obvious. So there are clearly. Well, they and Kevin Duran do it. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Like, come on. I feel like that would happen to me, too. Like, I was just by accident to the.

wrong thing. But it's it's I've thought about it just for fun. Wow, that would be incredible. I mean, you talked about before like playing in a tournament that matters. Where, where are you standing right now in the state of the PGA tour? Obviously, this has been a discussion for the past couple of years at this point. Like, how are you feeling about, you know, where everything is at right now? It's good. They're making changes that needed to be made. It's sometimes you need a bit of a push. Yeah. I've been as many times. I don't think live was necessarily. a bad thing. You're getting a better product out of it and this year is a bit of a bridged year into the changes that might come next year. So you're going to get, it's already happening,

the best players in the world playing together way more often, which is what we all want and was what everybody watching TV wants, right? You want to beat the best and you want to watch the best compete. So that's already happened, I think is great. I'm not going to get too into the price money. It is what it is. I've been blessed to do what I do, and I make plenty of money already. But obviously, doubling it, great, wonderful. It's great for all of us. I think they're going on the right track.

I just, I hope, you know, this gets done right, and we end up with a much better product, not only for us, but for the fans. That's the main thing, right? The fans, the PGA tour basically fan base needs to grow a little bit. And I think especially in the younger generations, that's where it needs to get a little bit better. Yeah, how would you do that if you were the commissioner?

How would you try to grow? It's not my job. It's hard. Obviously, social media is the way you need to go. And I think Netflix, the Netflix documentary is going to be big, even though I'm not doing it. I think it's going to be big in that sense. Were you involved at all? They ever grab you or mickey up or not?

No, I didn't want to do it. I wanted to see what the first season was going to be like before I attempted. Yeah. And I'm not going to lie. With all this people going to live, I don't know if they're going to be in it next year, if they need to make a villain, I'm a very good candidate for them to make a villain. I don't want to be. I'm not that guy.

Like what you see on the golf course and you see off the golf course, it's a very different person. So I don't want to be put in that light. Then when I saw Verstapp and saying that they were making up things about them, I'm like, God, if they're making things up about something that is so exciting to watch, what can they make up about a golfer's life? Right. That's where, but, you know, doesn't necessarily mean they're going to do anything like that. I've heard, I talked to Tony Feina, who was a good friend of mine who, he watched this episode and said he was great. I think I might be in it because I did his fundraiser and I did tell him, hey, don't cut me out of this. It's a wonderful thing Tony's doing.

So if there's something valuable here, keep it. I don't want to be the reason why this gets cut off. And then there was one interview at the U.S. Open Roevalanche for the second round or the third round. It was Colin Rory Maca, Mara, Roy, and I, and the Netflix cameras in there. And one of the jokes we made is at the time, and I don't know if I can say the spoiler, but it's already even show when Rory's going to be in, I think, season two. Yeah, yeah. So at that point, Rory hadn't decided. So we're on the

table and I'm like, Colin, you're going to be talking to yourself for about 30 minutes here. Because they can't show us, right? So I'm like, I think they showed a bit of a snippet of it. But that's the two times you might see me on the documentary. And maybe highlights, obviously, walking by and things like that. But that's about it.

I'm going to watch it and see this next year. Yeah. And then, yeah, make it. I mean, Lewis Hamilton did that. I think some others. Yeah. It was a big moment when Lewis Hamilton came in, so maybe it could be like that. She gives them 20 minutes a year. That's it. It was great.

You're on the goat. You can do it. It was so cool. But in season three, they're going to do the Darth Vader. They would die for John Riger's 20 minutes. Yeah. Yeah, they would kill for that. Oh, my God.

You kidding. That's all Hamilton gives him 20 minutes a year, basically. So they can use any other interview, any other image, anything, but directly to a Netflix camera, they get 20 minutes. That's a good point. When they build him up as almost like this mysterious figure who's just dominating, you don't really get anything personal or intimate. and then they bang he sits down on the chair whatever episode that was like episode seven or eight you're like holy fuck we're about to get we're talking about like you game of thrones like you hear about a character who's in some part of the world that you'd never see and then like surcy sits down yeah and you're like oh my god how they get her that's incredible that's very self-aware of you though to like no like you don't want to be you don't want them to manipulate it in any way where it's like oh you know we don't have anything going on so we're just going to make john rom like what everybody thinks john rom is that's very self-aware to be also at first

We had just had Kepa, we had just moved, and Kelly was pregnant with the second. I'm like, too much. Yeah. I don't need any other, you know, outside influence on our life right now. There was too much going on, too much change going on. So that was also one of the main reasons why we didn't do it. So on the live front, you've been, I feel like one of the guys that's both a key face of the PGA tour, but also very reasonable, rational.

in the understanding, accepting of live and live's place. And obviously, Phil Mickelson, he was a mentor for you, his brother was on his bag, it's your coach, your agent, the whole deal. How, you know, how difficult has it been at all for you to, not play both sides, but to be not, to not come off as hardcore, it's PGA or bust. Well, I'm being myself, first of all. I'm giving you my opinion. and it's not my place to judge what anybody else does.

They're full-grown adults. They can make a decision for themselves. I can agree with it or not, but there's not going to change how I operate with my friends. Do I agree with everything that Phil said? No, and I've told him that. And we've talked about it, and we've had our discussions. He tells me what he thinks.

PG-2 has done wrong. I tell them what I think they've done wrong, and that's very adult discussion. We don't have to agree. Right. And then another great friend of mine, mainly because is really funny to hear him go off is Pat, Pat Perez. And he tells me his sign, I told him, I'm like Pat.

He was honest, though. He was always kind of against Liv, and then the opportunity came, and he said, I'm gone. I'm like, okay, good. Fully understand. I fully understand why a lot of people have gone, so I don't judge it, right? It is what it is. And I've also expressed why I don't like live for now. Just don't like the format.

I don't like a bit of what they stand for right now. now, but they could grow into something interesting. I do believe there is a way of coexistence in the future. I don't think you can now be able to play both sides, obviously, but I think there is a way to coexist and have both tours. I think it's only, if you look at it from the perspective of the game of golf, I think it's only good to have another different way of playing it or a different way of doing it.

I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing. I just hope the bad blood and the bad comments in between kind of end. Just let them be, them do what they want, and that's it. It's interesting because I love to hear you say that because in today's world, I think social media drives this heavily, but everything is so polarizing and so device. You either here or here. And if you're on the other side, you can't possibly be friendly with one another. You can't possibly have a rational, reasonable discussion.

And that sucks because that's sort of the bedrocky. of a lot of what this country's built on is it's good to disagree. If you're a human being and you have a brain and opinions, you're not going to get four or five things down the list with any other human being on earth before you disagree with them on something. Oh, God. So I think it sets a wrong ideology to have to impose your own ideas on somebody else. Right. Everybody's educated different. Everybody comes from different backgrounds, cultural, racial and ethnicity, right? So nobody, not all of us are going to think the same. It's ludicrous to think everybody's going to thing to sim. And you can disagreeing a few things and agree in most and still they put you in the

label that you might not be part of. And yeah, I just, again, that's why I say you can have a discussion with them. I went up to Polter of BMW Wenworth and everybody was fighting with each. I'm like, what do you want? Straight up. What do you want out of this? Right? Why are you guys here? And he told me and I said, great. I listened, it's great to know. It's not my place to tell you where to go or not to go. I'm not going to get too political, obviously. It's not my place, but that's kind of how I feel. I can maintain a friendship with somebody and a good friendship with somebody and disagree

in certain things. There's very few things that would make it a make or break situation. As long as you're being respectful to me and my family, I think you can make it happen. So are you for the Ryder Cup upcoming later this year? obviously the European team's been probably more decimated by the lived affections and what's going to potentially happen. Not necessarily. Not necessarily.

U.S. has some too, but are you hoping, are you pushing it all for the live players to be allowed to play in the Rarika? I'm an advocate for them to be able to play. So officially, me and Sergio had a lot of fun in the Rada Cup and I think it would be a great pair. But again, it's not my decision. You need to make sure the locker room environment is probably. You have a big voice in golf. Yeah, I'm telling them, but again, if this,

more to it than just golf right like if there's politics involved they're not going to listen to what I say yeah in my mind the writer cup is above everything else it's not Lyft versus PJ tour anything else is Europe versus the US period that's what it should be

best Europeans versus vast Americans but again if there's bad blood between players in either which side you don't want to you don't want to have that and I hope the PGA and European Tour make a united front right you don't want one team to allow them in one team not to.

So whatever they decide, they just decide to do it together and that's it. How much does the Ryder Cup mean to you? Where is it stack in your? Well, a lot. I play golf because of the Ryder Cup. I've spoken a few times. Nobody in my family ever played and a few of my dad's friends were next to Walderrama when the 97 Rider Cup happened and they saw what it was.

And they're like, oh, let's give this a try. My dad always tells me when they told them and said, oh, this, what is this? This is not for real. What is this? Then he tried it and loved it. So I'll keep in mind. My dad was into free skiing, free rock climbing, paragliding. So adrenaline was part of, like my mom and him both hiked him on Blanc, which is the tallest mountain in Europe and ski it down.

There's no ski slopes. You just ski it down, free skiing. Or go up a mountain, throw in the parachute and run off a cliff and go down. What? And free rock climbing, that's like rock climbing and free rock climbing. So not free solo, but. Okay. Yeah, not, yeah.

He's not Alex Honnold. He did stuff like that. So obviously when they bring up golf, he's probably going to think, yeah, this is, yeah, you're like, what the hell is this shit? He probably got to a point. I think he had a crash when my mom was pregnant with my brother or me

and broke his elbow and realized, okay, yeah, maybe I do something that I can do for a long time. So because of that, they started playing golf. So I asked him a lot of times, I'm what would have been? Because nobody in our family knew anything about golf. My dad at 40 or, close to 40 was the first one to try.

Wow. It's a movie scene. It is. Via the rioting up. Right. Has, uh, so obviously the, uh, the pandemic, uh, led to a boom in golf in the U.S. Is it the same in Spain? Uh, similar.

I think so to a little bit of an extent. Yeah. Because they did close the golf courses down in the entire country for a very long time, longer than here. Actually, they were always open here. A lot of, yeah, most of them were open here. So not as much as it could have been had they stayed open. How big is golf over there?

Not as big as you would think. I think, what is it, I heard someone, like 10% of the population of a US plays golf or something like that. Yeah. In Spain is less than 1%. Wow. I think... Is it exclusive over there? It still has that stigma of people for rich people, which couldn't be farther from the truth, obviously.

Yeah. we're hoping it grows. I mean, there's some things we're doing. I'm trying to do myself, obviously, in collaboration with other people, to try to make it grow. So one of the great things I would love to be able to make it happen is to see some top golf over there.

I think top golf could be, and now that I have it on my sleeve, it could be something that helps people understand that is not just for rich people. Top golf's been great. Yeah. God, money printing machine, Jesus Christ. Everywhere, man.

It is everywhere. It's insane. It's a great. idea. Great thing for colorway to buy them because my God. I know. Yeah, it's everywhere. I mean, there's like two here. There's not. Top calls everywhere. It is the, it is tough. I mean, I know, I kind of asked you earlier, how would you get, you know, how would you grow the game with the younger generation if you're the commissioner? And it's, it's, I think that sort of the answer is showcasing to people. Because that barrier to entry of going from not playing golf at all ever to now you're going to go,

there's going to be a 90-year-old starter. You're going to play golf for five hours, 18 holes. It's going to be, That's too much of a buried entry. It's too intimidating. But I do think if you can get people, if you can get their toes in, dip their toes in a little bit. There's going to be a bar there. Yeah. There's going to be a fucking bar. They're like, I'm in.

But I think that's the key, right? A lot of that needs to change. Right. So I'm glad to be a member where I'm at. When people, a lot of people go to play golf, the last thing you want is more rules. Yeah. Be respectful to each other. But the last thing you need is more rules.

I think the etiquette problem is a bit. big one for the younger generations. I think that's an issue. You could go playing sweatpants and a hoodie everywhere. I think a lot more people could sign up to do it. Which I think I see that change more and more nowadays. I wouldn't know how old to... There's got to be a way to do it.

Obviously, it's not my job to think about things like this, but there's got to be a way. And I think that's... Not that you won't encourage the drinking, but having a bar accessible always helps people to show up anywhere. Yeah, it's supposed to be an escape for people, right? It's not supposed to be more rules or more. It is for me too. Like, I can play seriously and I can go play with my friends where I go and have a couple drinks.

There's very different ways to play this sport. And the beauty is you can play with anybody thanks to the handicapped system. So it's just about starting. Like, it takes a bit of time till you get to a certain level to enjoy playing. Anybody from a young age can run, can jump, run, and catch and throw. That's why all the sports are so much easier to get into. How is your game when you have a couple soda pops in you? I actually had a joke with me.

Patrick Mahomes where so in server leave there's a guy this is going to make me come out like such a drinker but I'm not I do not drink in a number six and 15 this conversation is server leave right and with the owner when the owner was drinking he would always force everybody in his group to take a tequila shot which is fine one shot doesn't do anything two shots over four hours right and we're playing with Patrick Mahomes and Travis Kelsey in the off season and they saw me do it do that because I always play against Ben Herman and who's the under of server leave. And we always have a tight match and he would say how the next three, four holes, after I will take a shot, I would actually play better golf.

And it was three days in a row where that happened. The next two three holes, Bertie's would be coming. And it was funny. I was telling me, dude, I'm going to the Masters this year. I'm bringing you shot to 16. I'm like, yeah, I don't think that's good for you or me, but thank you. Now, there's obviously a point where I just don't care. I don't know how people play better drunk.

I've seen a lot of people do it great. It's crazy. My limit is not that high and it gets to a point where I just don't care enough to be playing. If we see John with like an unmarked bottle of like water, just like walking down 12 at a gust of we're going to know that there's something. No, I just signed a tequila. Burties four holes in a row.

That's right. You're going on out there. It was too over. Let me smell your breath for a second. I do that way too often on tour of like bogies and then three birdies coming up. That's more exciting than just par, My bounce back stats pretty good. So it's because you get fired up.

It's funny you say that. Yeah, exactly. Because I just send the tequila deal. Oh, what kind of tequila are we talking? Maestro Dobel. Love it. Yeah, I'm an ambassador for them. You said it so incredibly.

What was it? What's the name of it? Maestro. Maestro? So in Mexico is Maestro tequila. Over here is Dobel. Okay. D-O-B-E-L, Maestro.

All right. We're going to have to try some of that. Tequila, your go-to? Is that if you're going to have a little? Yeah. Do a Blanco or Reprosado guy? Depends on the brand. Okay.

Depends on the brand. So this brand, God, I'm going to redo marketing now. Oh, talk about it. It's an official sponsor of the PJ Tour. Carlos Ortiz, who's now on live, actually had them on the sleeve. Oh.

It's a big tequila in Mexico. So they actually, they obviously have everything, but the two main one, the main one they want to sell is called Diamante, which in the bottle will say Reposato, but that's only because if you're mixing tequila and Aches and Tequila's,

you have to put the youngest tequila, tequila in the mix, even if it's 1%. So nobody knows the true recipe, because this is the owner who sits down and basically mixes in a glass until he likes it. So it's got aniejo, it's got reposados, it's got blanco, it's got extra aniejo.

And what they do is, they filter it. So it looks, it's crystallino, it's white. So when you're mixing it in drinks because it tastes better, it doesn't look red. Like if you put aneurnejo in a margarita, it looks red, and it's like people get thrown off. So they did it because of that. And

And that's really good. Whether you're drinking it alone or mixing it, it's high quality. Thirsty. How'd I know? I mean, I know it's 11 a.m. But I could have brought some. After this interview, we're on vacation. Yeah.

So they have a couple different ones. And they studied, it's funny because the owner told me the story recently. They started by accident, right? It's owned by the people that own Cuervo. Jose Cuervo. It's like a specialty tequila. The CEO started. And it was an accident.

Really? Complete accident. Yeah. He told me. A friend of his dad's, he was retiring and said, oh, make me a tequila and I'll have X amount of boxes, and we'll do something with it. And, you know, a friend of theirs made the glass. And so they made the glass bottles, right, and they ship them.

It's like, I filled them up. And it's like, well, we have 20,000 cases. It was supposed to be 500 bottles. It was 20,000 cases. What do we do with this? And then now CEO, his son, said, we're just making another tequila. And we call him Maestro Dauvel. Dobel was a previously filled.

failed enterprise. And it's his, basically his initials. His name is Juan Domingo, Peckman. Legaret, that last name, it's from my origin in Spain.

Don't worry about it. But spells Dobel, that's his last name. And his dad's, saying that a little presumptuous of you. He's like, Dad, don't worry about it. So they started it and ended up being,

it's like his baby. So that's where he sits down and he does the tasting and he makes of the tequila. And ended up being now is probably one of the most popular. In Mexico, which is just not known in the U.S. got you but very affordable for price what a beautiful language it's amazing so much nice like i'm saying water and pizzeria our english is broke he's fucking you can put me to sleep with that thing

beautiful i was like mellow just listening to you just say names it's just a cool story like it's a great story it's a great story yeah we actually just launched it last week on tuesday they were left of the eighth hole last week oh wow okay we're working on now my favorite mixing with tequila as a paloma. So we're working on, they have their own mix, we're trying to make it at some things

that I like to make it my own. So maybe in some future PJ tour events, if you go to their 10, you'll see the Rambo Paloma. It's a beautiful story. I have a story,

but it's a dark story, real quick one. It's not surprising. A lot of dark stories with tequila, though, so I don't know. This is dark. This is a dark story.

I was telling Brendan about yesterday, but I think, and since this is going to be the full podcast, I wanted to get this out there. Where is this going to go? It's a dark story. I'll say, John, this could go anywhere.

It's crazy. It's just something that I think everyone should hear it. I know, I know. But no, there's a story. There's a meeting. We're talking in a podcast about the golden record for 45 minutes. I mean, I'll think. What do you think about that golden record?

I had no idea about it. It was pretty interesting. It's kind of bullshit, too, what they came up with. Sorry, I'm cutting you off. No, we should have had Utah. I'm so sorry. I would rather have you talk. We'll get to the golden record.

We'll get to the golden record. So I'm talking to this. One of my buddies is a police officer, and he's telling me, he always tells me these crazy stories about things that happened, right? and we're talking about this call that he went to and this girl's sitting down. And this has nothing to do with anything we've talked about, by the way. Really? Okay.

Yeah. So this girl's sitting down in a chair. She's watching TV and all of a sudden she hears a boom go off. And glass shatters behind her. She's like, what the fuck was that? She's looking around. She has no idea what's going on. Turns out the guy next door was like either cleaning his gun or something

or doing something with his gun. Gun goes off, goes through the walls, through her apartment and then explode somewhere in the back, right? Jesus. The craziest part about this story is that where the bullet ended up is right on top of her toilet where if she was going to be sitting there would have hit her. Yeah. And it goes right into a picture frame that says life's too short, travel the world.

And the bullet is lodged right in the middle of it. Yes. Tell me that's not the craziest, like life imitates art or like this is like why we need to take every single day, like with a special meet. Because like the girl, you know what I mean? Like, you're just sitting down in your apartment and something just go wrong. This bullet is still in this piece of art. I think she could sell this thing for a million dollars if you tell

that story. I swear, I think you could sell that piece of art for a million dollars on some like, you know, crazy art. People wouldn't believe it. How crazy is that story? It's like a bike. I haven't been, I can't stop thinking about it for the last like 48 hours. Is that making you feel like you're cherishing? Yeah. You know, we're here to interview in John Rom. It's like everyday special, man. All right. I'm with you.

Isn't that an insane story? It is. No, it really is. A little perspective pie. It's still in there. It's crazy. She's going to leave it forever.

The sign says life is short, travel the world. So what is she doing? I don't know. She's got to travel the world now. Hopefully she's booked her first fucking flight. You just got to quit your job and start moving. She's going to have one week where she's prospective pie.

She's going to be right back into like normal. Yeah. Just taking a shit, looking to the laughter. Not everybody has the freedom to be able to do it. True. That's true. That's true.

What did you think about that golden record? I thought they could have done better with the contents of it. I'm like in today. I forgot who's in it, who's not in it. It's like not that many big names are in it. The Beatles. The Beatles weren't. Remember, they wouldn't release it.

Oh, that's right. The Beatles wouldn't give them the rights in the record, even though it was going to the Outer State. Going to fucking aliens. What do you think about outer space? You feel it. You're an opinioning again. The Beatles not on there.

Is Michael Jackson on it? No. No, I was like Beethoven and like Mozart. It was a good amount of competition. What's your thoughts on outer space? You don't want to say controversy out into the world. I get it. What's your thoughts on our space?

Sorry. What's your thoughts on our space? Universe. In what sense? Like, do you think about it? Long subject. Do you ever think about it?

Like, do you ever just like, you know, just like... Yeah, it's exactly why I said. I don't think too much on myself. Right. Of the 7 billion people on this planet, we're a very small part of a large universe. And don't think we're the only ones. True. So to people for people to think that I'm a big deal to me.

It's just like I'm not. You are a big deal, but people do look at the zoom out picture, and there's two ways to go about it. One, and I agree with you where it's like, I'm just a speck of that. And then there's guys like Frankie who look at that and they get anxious about it. I get anxious, but also, I was listening to Bergen's, why? It's just, it's scary to me. The whole thing is horrifying. Is it over?

Why? Overwhelming? It's just, none of it makes sense to me. And I try and like really wrap my head around what's actually happening. I feel like we all just go through life being like, this is what we're doing. I feel like you would be the one of a thing. We're in a simulation. A little bit.

He does. He says in every show. Not in like a weird way. More in like a, maybe it's a weird way, but like more in like a, he likes a matrix. No, just like what the hell is actually going on here? I'm going on Harry Potter. I was listening to Burke Kreiser. He was talking to Lucy Cannon podcast and he was like sometimes he thinks that like the more like

some things happen on the people he realizes it just can't happen to himself. I actually really bought into that. Well, you also think that he thinks that all these people would die around me, but I just keep living. Maybe I can't die. It's insane. This is going to get. don't know the answer yet.

Even we don't know the answer. No one knows the answer yet. He also thinks... I've been successful to this point. He also thinks that we're all droids and that he's the main character. No, it's something. It goes into your mind once in a while. I don't think you're the side character, John.

I don't. What kind of music do you listen to? In your story, maybe, in my story, I'm not. What kind of music do you listen to? God, that's a quick change in subject right there from that too. You get him going. We'll keep you here for four hours. I was just say we got, yeah, we can't.

Well, I could talk for a while, too. Music? I listen to anything. it doesn't do anything. You got any Spanish bangers for us? I listen to the same shit. I could use some like spikes. Honestly, I'm not going to lie.

I'm one of this like he's very stuck on my ways. Like I have, I don't explore out to new music that often. Same. That's why like I try to get to like discover weekly pod, like our playlist on Spotify or something. So you get some new shit in your rotation. Yeah.

Well, I mean, I don't always listen to music when I'm practicing. If I do, I just put Pandora. I don't want to be choosing. I remember Brooks Kepka said he doesn't listen to music because the sound of the ball is important to his practice session. It depends on what.

Like if I'm just warming up and I want to get my head clear and just hitting shots and stuff like that, I get it. I can't hit golf balls with both headphones on. No. Okay.

It's weird. I'll do it with one. Even when I warm up, I do it with one. Yeah. What's your, what's your, so right now I want to get

kind of a, your own take on your own game. Obviously, you won two in a row. You're in the final group this last weekend. You, I believe, have not finished outside the top eight in five events in this wrap around 2022-2020-year. You got a little bit of a week off here, but then you kind of keep rolling. Where are you at with your own game? Very happy, obviously.

Yeah. I'm very happy, and there's still things that I can improve, right? And I know I can improve. So I'm looking forward to it. I can make cases for everything, right? when I was at we were in Congree. I had a good chance, started great on Sunday, and then I just didn't play good.

That week actually never really had it. I shot the one nine under because I made everybody looked at, but that's about it. And Sony had the bat Friday that put me too far away, very far away, so just would have liked to be closer starting the day. And then Sunday in Palm Springs, actually I can't say much. I did good on Sunday. I just lived out six times.

That was a good tournament. Yeah, that's 74. It's, you know, you felt like, you felt like you still had it. Sunday at Tori? Yeah. Yeah. It's a hard golf course, man. You get a couple of bad breaks.

I made a double on five and I'm like, geez, I mean, he's hit the car path, ended up in a dead spot and I went from bad to worse. Can you minimize it some times? Yes, I just, that day was not. And that was, what was a, four over standing on the 11th T? I finished two, which I'm pretty happy about. I'm not going to lie. Yeah, it's a hard golf court.

I can't really explain, like, you know, the 200 to 2 over changes very quickly over there. And yeah, there's things that I can change. Like, I wouldn't say I've been playing my best golf. I've been playing really good golf, but I can get more comfortable on the golf course and do better things. You can always improve. So that's what I'm really happy about. Like, I'm still in a great state game-wise, and I think I've done other changes

that are making me feel so good allowing me to play better. I don't really know how to explain, like how I feel physically in certain aspects and mentally. I go out there in a really good state to play golf, so I feel really strong out there as well. So it's more, my preparation has been much better, so even if my swing is not as best it could be, is to produce really, really high results.

When you're in a spot like at Palm Springs and you look at the leaderboard, and you're John Rom, do you feel like you can use that to your advantage at a leaderboard? I've done this. I'm a major champion. I'm the fucking guy. I mean, I don't think about it actively, but I mean, I wasn't going to go out on my way on Sunday to, you know, be friendly and chatty to Davis Thompson.

Yeah. I'm not. So that's kind of like if it's somebody I know and even Tony Finno and I were good friends barely spoke on Sunday. So that's such an interesting like dichotomy to me. Yeah, like I wouldn't. Like we're in the arena now. Yeah, kind of. Especially we both weren't playing great.

So he gets mad too. People don't believe it. But he gets quiet as well. so it is uh yeah i mean it's just kind of how it is like i don't you use it to our advantage because exactly especially at that golf course in palm spraines i'm like i've won here right like i've i've done it before i know how to do it so i know what i need to do that's basically uh you'd use it for an advantage obviously when you're going to one of those where it's just a star filled leaderboard well everybody be thinking the same thing so made the best man win uh so distance distance in the last

a couple years, three years, I guess, has become a huge talking point. Why, though? Why is everybody so obsessed with distance? I can simplify it since Tiger, there's better ways to screen the human body, there's better ways to make people work out in the gym to make the sequence better

and make themselves more efficient. And technology is just a little bit better. I get it, but overall, we're all better athletes. It happens in every single sport, in every single sport that's actually a tech talk about how much better athletes are nowadays for the most part but the technology

is allowing things like they said if Jesse Owens and Uzine Bolt on their records would have run together the difference would have been minimal minimal interesting right and that was 1940 1940 something like that

sure 1936 man no 1936 when Jesse Owen in Germany so compared to Yuza and Bolt doing it in 2009. I mean, just think about football players. Same thing. Faster, strong basketball. It hasn't changed as the 80s?

Yeah. Big time. Well, exactly. So it's going to happen to every sport. Same in tennis. You watch Mack and Roe to how they're playing now in Wimbledon. It's a completely different sport.

Now, in our case, I think what they're doing, which is trying to stretch golf courses, it's only going to feed them to people hitting it longer. Period. It's getting to a point where if you have rough like this and you have 520, are part fours, you're going to need to hit a 340 because otherwise you're not going to get

to the green in any other way, right? So they're feeding into us needing to hit it longer. And I think it hinders the game when they try to roll back the ball and change things with the technology of the clubs. We're going to get to a point where I would be the smallest on tour. You're going to get people that are 6.5 JJ Watt looking people who are going to be hitting it 380 down the center. Like eventually it's going to get to something like that. Do you focus on trying to, you know, stay up at the top with distance? Because last year I think you're fifth and in distance on tour. I think this year, you're ninth.

Is that concerned? Is it a concern? Or is you working at that year? I don't actually don't do speed training. I've just been getting stronger in the gym. I've talked about my right leg in the past. And it took me a solid six, seven years of working with my coach to get my body to where I could start doing certain lifts and lift heavier and get stronger.

So now the last two years, you see. the you see in the pay out of all that work. That's basically what's happened, and that's what's allowed me to hit it longer. That's basically why when I turned it last year, and I was cruising on the low 80s, that was the main thing. It was basically able to, on that off-season,

work out and get a lot stronger and have the speed to be able to do it. But I don't do any of the speed stakes or anything like that, trying to get faster. When you're working on your game, are you working on certain shot shapes for certain tournaments? I mean, I know you like to cut the ball off the TV,

were you leading up to Augusta try to draw it more? Yeah, and it's still something that's hard for me to do it consistently with the driver. It's complicated. He don't always need to draw it, especially with them changing 13 a little bit now. It might be actually better for me. And DJ, when he won there, I mean, I know it was the November one. He can draw it. He was drawing it?

He can if he wants to. I think at Augusta, yeah, I mean, there's a couple T-shots that predominantly you want to draw it, obviously 10, 13, 14, come to my... but it's not as big a hook as people make it look. Ten feels like a hook. It's not. I mean, you can because you have plenty of room, but you don't really need to.

Okay. It's a healthy draw, but it's not as big as... I'm going to start calling it that when I hook. The people that can snap hook it if they can. Yeah, do it. Go ahead. Like, if it was the other way,

I could slice a driver easily way down the faraway. But 13 and 14 are not as big a draw as people. It's more about really threading the line. This is a very small, margin on 13 and 14 if you get close to the trees that's what it is this have to be accurate what about the open championship i mean scottesdale is about as different terrains you possibly have is it hard to prepare you'll work on it i mean you can't get ready for an open championship unless we really play open championship golf courses as simple as that but you can work on your trajectory control spin right

control ball flight control so um and for me the ball striking out there is not usually the issues the greens and the and the touch around the greens because the greener on the green's because the greens are so much slower that's that's mainly the the hardest part you go out there early though right you play a couple of events yeah yeah usually go early and try to get used to those that type of green i love to you always play in the spanish every you're still going to do that i always will i think it's my duty as a spanish golfer to reach but are rich because of golf in spain for me to go and give back and do it oh yeah it's awesome it's my i see it as my duty um you know savi being my hero when he started playing There wasn't many pro events in Spain when he died.

There were eight, and now we're down to two or three. It was, I think, one at one point when I started, and now we have two and getting close to three. So I think it is part of my duty to keep growing the game in that sense. And it's insane to see when I go there, man, because the amount of people following the group, there's the only time I feel like Tiger. It's absolutely ludicrous.

And that's probably why some of my best performances have been there, because to have that support, it's crazy. definite home court advantage. Because the second I finish a whole, everybody's sprinting somewhere else, everybody's moving. They move for me too, but it's super, super cool.

And that's why I love going. Yes, I could win a tournament and lose ball ranking points. Yes, the payout is nothing to be compared to what we do nowadays. There's nothing, but it's not the reason why I play the game or why I go to Spain.

It's really cool because I know that week every year, that's what the headlines are. It's like John Rahm is playing. It's actually one of the hardest weeks for me all year because the attention, the amount of media I have to do and the expectation of me having to win. Because obviously I'm always going to be the highest ranked player when they go, hopefully for a long time.

And I'm expected to win. And I've done it already three times and everybody wants me to win by a margin. It's tough. Like when I finish that week, I'm dead. It's one of the hardest for me. Do you try to be on your best behavior inside the ropes that week because everybody's looking at you?

No, nothing changes. No, can't. They can't. With the Spanish media, I remember being in Paris in 2018, and I remember after you beat Tiger, which I want to get into, I mean, the media, which is a massive scrum, the Spanish media, I mean, they were like emotional. They were like crying because you beat Tiger.

It meant so much to them. They care about it. They care about it. That's a thing. They really care. And it's not like in the U.S. But you have 20 to 30, a lot of big stars. Right.

I mean, you're their guy. You had Sevi. Manali. From Olli to Sergio, there was a bit of a gap. Like, you have Miguel and Albao Quiroz and some great names, but not major champions. And then from Sergio, you've had names, but now you have me. Like, it's not like we have a bucket to choose from. Like, that's it.

And you rarely get to see them together. You get to see Olli and Sevi and then me and Sergio a little bit, but that's it. So that's why when you do things like that, and Tiger was a heartbreak for Spanish goal for a long time. So to be able to beat him that way, I get my first writing cut point like that, I think, was not only emotional for me. but for them as well because they get it how big was that day for you how pumped were you when you knew probably the biggest overreaction to a four-footer you ever see and mainly because it it wasn't only that is the fact that I'd actually have been playing bad and when they tell me you know here's the t-shy-shade tomorrow you're playing tiger I'm

complete panic I'm like can we cuss here oh yeah sorry first instinct I'm like holy fuck which is voting sleek. I'm going against the one guy who has more supporters than me in Europe, and it's his type of golf course, right? Target, do this, do that. And I was hitting it bad, so I'm just in complete panic. Like, I talked to my mental coach for a while, not Brett, because I have somebody else from Spain for that,

trying to get my mind right, my physio, trying to get the things that were bugging me right. And actually I talked to Tommy Fleetwood and Thomas Bjorn a little bit about what it is to play against Tiger. Because Thomas Bjorn has played with Tiger a lot in practice run, so he knew him well. and basically ended up with, I'm going to go out there and pretend he doesn't exist.

That was the only way I could make it. It was the first time ever playing with Tiger 2. I'd never spoken to him until then. And yeah, and then I come out and play it and kind of play pretty much a flawless round until I missed that pot on 16. But again, that's the best story. I missed that pot on 16,

and Justin Rose had lost, and he's trying to talk to me like him and Thomas Bjord, Like I'm one, I'm going to two holes. Like, I'll take that. Oh, yeah. Right? Two long holes where I have the advantage. And they're trying to cheer me up.

I'm like, shut the fuck. I'll, leave me alone. Like, I just three-powder from 20 feet. Leave me alone. I'm okay. And I follow by hitting the 370 down the center, having to gobble it's to four feet. I went to the batch, right?

But like, it's almost beyond just trying to. I don't think there's images of this, but I'm kind of like, just let me go. Just march, like, just. Get off me. Get off me. Get off me. It's a 21.

23 I don't know whatever it was but I was just like just kidding him just let me let me be like I'm good obviously pissed as can be like yeah and Rosie was trying to talk me too right I'm like dude I got this go yeah right go and I think one of the coolest memories I have on the golf course besides what the grain was the second shot when I hit that shot and I didn't realize the crowd people go nuts and the memory I have is no no sound and I turn around to look at my cat and I see Rory, Roses, and somebody else walking, and Rory losing his freaking nuts off. Like, just, and Rosie doing the same thing.

That's the cool thing you don't get to see usually, but he's going crazy behind me. I'm like, man, this is so, I still get goosebumps. And then on 18, I get that putt to win, which, I don't know if people caught it in Spanish. I'm making emotional about this. My grandpa had just passed away that August, who was my biggest fan,

I really wanted to be in the Riding Cup. and right before I hit the pot somebody said do it for Sevi who obviously it's up in heaven made me think of my grandpa as well and I'm like hey man when I take back because my routine I take back a step before I set in to line up the pot and I'm like somebody says then I'm like oh shit you had to say that right now like this is not a big enough moment and then it was a weird like Sevi being the Radica up here on my grandpa watching I'm like I got this sense of calmness of oh this is going in there's no way this isn't

going on in. And I went to it. Obviously, nervous, but confident and make the pot. And that's why the reaction, not only beating Tiger Woods, but it was more for my grandpa and seven. That's why I go freaking nuts for a four-footer that was right edge uphill. Like, it was, I shouldn't have that reaction, but it was more just because of what I was feeling at the moment. It just came out. I think it was a lot of it, obviously, more for my grandpa than that. But again, my first point like that, when people said that, you know, when that guy say that. And it was cool because then you fast forward to the last Spanish Open. But I had that five, six footer on 18 to make the birdie and Thai Sevi's regularly with three Spanish Open.

As soon as I hit it, somebody yells, Viva Sevi. And then it goes in that center. So it was like, you know, it's some moments like that that make it so cool. That's why I go to the Spanish Open. Of course. I won't get that feeling like that anywhere else, but there. And that's why it's special. I don't know how, I mean, it speaks to how you're at the, at the, at the,

the top of the elite that you could have that perspective of that moment that you could understand and obviously somebody you know yelling that how it probably sparks it but understand i cursed him at first i'm like man do that do that to me right now and hold it in and focus and pour it in that's i mean that's next level like these guys said i i'm the biggest tiger guy in the world and i got the goosebumps saying about that i am too i mean right he was tiger fan yeah did you guys speak it all during that match no yeah he dropped the t-want's and i said hey time Tiger, here's your T. I think that was it.

That's how it should be. He doesn't speak. Like I said, I was trying to act like he didn't exist. But of course he made that eagle on me online. I was like, Jesus. Jesus. Here he comes. That's so cool.

Luckily, it was a bit more of later on his career, Tiger, right? When he was like, I think, took a lot out of him. Yeah, that was the week before. So he was clearly tired. I mean, obviously, all of us are tired, but you could tell he wasn't at his best. but I don't really care. Right. Nobody's going to win that.

There's going to point that you beat Tiger Woods. I will. That's for sure. Yeah. Wow. Well, look, I think that's an amazing way to wrap things up. I think that's about as good as it gets. I love that you've been out doing media more.

Feels like the last few months, last year or so. Not really. I mean, I've been doing pretty much the same thing. It's just. Well, now you're doing it with us. I've played a little bit more golf, better golf. And that's why I think seems that you have opened a lot of it. It's almost like I want a major and now I have credibility.

Yeah. Is there you feel any pressure? I mean, I know you mentioned obviously the other Spanish guys that you feel any kind of pressure to get your masters. Honestly, since I won the U.S. Open and being the first Spanish guy, I feel like it would really freaking cool. Yeah. If I were to win the PGA and be the one or they win the other two and complete the Spanish Grand Slam, I'm not going to be picky, obviously. Right. I would love to win the Masters.

I would absolutely love it. But I think this is a little something special, right, of being the one to win the other two. Yeah. It's so cool to me how much that, because I think that gets lost a lot because we just see names on a leaderboard and you went to the college here and you live here. How much the Spanish roots, you know, truly, truly mean to you as a person? I think that's really cool. It's important. People where I come from in Spain, the Basque country, we have a very profound sense of who we are, a lot of tradition in history.

So it's even though silly nationalism is really big there about being Basque. So it's really, really important for us to have our roots be part of us and remember that always well. And same, I like to be thankful for the past. I love history. And that's why a lot of this, I speak about it a lot so much. And that's why it matters in that sense. What's your football club there too? Aren't they one of the founding members of La Liga?

Athletic. Athletic Clu. Yeah, they're the second oldest club in. In Spain, one of the only three to never get relegation with Madrid and Barcelona. The only three. Knock on everything. Knock on all the wood you can possibly find. Yeah, so yeah, that's more.

They're almost like a religion over there. I mean, it's very high, very important for all of us. Well, John Rahm, you know, we got a lot of people that listen to this that tune in to golf weekend and week out. And it's really, really cool, I think, for them to get an inside look at somebody's big a name is you. So we're big fans of yours. It's really cool how much you mean to the fans in Spain,

and you're huge for the golf community around this country, too. So keep doing what you're doing, and we really appreciate the time. Thank you. My pleasure, you know. Hopefully I keep doing good things and you guys won't be back. I'm going to say, it's okay. You guys can make fun of me, part of your job. It's all right.

Just don't get mean. Never be malicious. Don't get personal. I understand. I make fun of myself. I'll be the first one to make fun of myself. We could have gone down an hour and a half of me making fun of myself. All the stupid things I've done in many times.

If there's anything that this show has done, it's given us perspective, we started as a bunch of just idiots. We're still idiots, but, you know, we had nothing. We never met anybody in the golf world, so it's all just opinion-based. And then all of a sudden we start meeting guys, realizing who they actually are. It changes your perspective.

If you've listened to this show from day one, seven years ago, however long it's been, till now, I mean, we've gotten so much more perspective. Meeting Brett, I've learned more about you and Billy Horshull than I ever thought. Yeah, he's telling you about me. Bread, what the hell? No, I'm saying, like, learning more about, like, how good of a person you guys are. He's like, you won't believe how good of a person this guy is.

Like, you don't see it. Like, you're not seeing that. And same with Billy. I just called Billy, like, American Psycho, because the guy, I thought he was like a He would kill somebody. Right. Yeah, definitely. It's so intense.

I love playing with Billy. You meet him and you're like, holy shit. You won't see a pro cheer for their fellow competitor's shots more than Billy Holier. Yeah. Is that right? That's awesome. He gets so intense. Like, first time I play with him, I told my catty, I'm like, is he for real?

Like, yeah, yeah, no, he really thinks he's a good shot. I'm like, I think he's making fun of me. No, he's a good guy. Actually, about Billy Horshaw. Max Hove was telling me because they played together in the President's Cup. And Max was telling me that, you know how when you're playing in a match with somebody and they hit a bad shot, you know, you yell four a little bit like obnoxiously when they hit one off to the side to be like, oh my God, it's such a bad word. And he's like, Billy was doing it to the point where it was so noticeable that it was embarrassing.

It's like the international guys would hit what he'd be like, four! No, it's like going to miss by a yard. No, that's just, that's just, he's just intense. Yeah. Like, I remember when that image of him and Poulter talking in the putting in the putting in the putting in, they're like, oh, I wonder what, I'm like, Billy could be talking about cupcakes and he looks that intense. Right.

So don't, I mean, that picture means nothing to me. Yeah. No, we love him. Yeah. We're big fans. We appreciate this. Yeah, thank you. Thanks.

Thanks for coming. Appreciate you.