Fore Play - Jon Taffer and The Promise of Authenticity

Episode Date: June 24, 2021

What does it mean to be authentic? To be genuine? How does that seep into our jobs? Do we still get nervous talking to players? We welcome Bar Rescue legend Jon Taffer (104:00) back to the show to discuss the new restaurant and golf challenges presented by COVID. How are people coping? How have they adjusted? How important have communication skills been for Jon? We also take several From The Galleries. Long show. You’re welcome.You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

Hey, 4Play listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcast, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Forwardplay, I'm sorry, basketball, sports. We are back. It is June 24th, 2021. I had to do that. We're two days in advance. What is Lurch's fist, what are you doing?

That's my birthday. Oh, happy, cool. Can we put in some, like, boos, noises? like party party poppers some audio party poppers is birthday do we look at birthday as like way to go you've

you've just kind of like survived more like what do we what is the whole point of the thing nothing I think honestly nothing other than like I think people are pretty bored in general so now they just gonna say like happy birthday like the amount of people just going around the other day

saying like happy Father's Day to like some random guy almost gave me a chuck call at the end of it. Well, I can understand Happy Father's Day because it's, you know, it's like a day for us all to really sit back and reflect about how important fathers are and thank them for all their sacrifice and work to get like your birthday. It's just like, it's just a random day where you happen to be born. You didn't do it. You actually didn't do anything.

You just like the doctor, you should go, we, we shouldn't celebrate the doctor that delivered you on your birthday more than anyone's birthday. Nobody did anything. You just came out of a fucking your mother. It's not that. It's almost like, that's mother's day. Everybody's got an individual Mother's Day and that's just your birthday. Yeah, kind of.

You know, it's like, no, that's my mother's day. My mother's day is June 24th because she went through Helen back. Especially with that big head. It's so bad. I know. It was out of range. I enjoy birthdays for sure. I'm a big birthday guy.

I got one coming up on August 13th. Actually, this year, mine's getting. Mine's getting spoiled a little bit. My girlfriend's sister's getting married on the 14th. Her rehearsal dinner's on the 13th. So hoping I can maybe not steal the show, but a cake to be presented at their rehearsal dinner would be nice. Anybody who thinks that, then they're just crazy something.

Listen, it's a day of celebration, man. I think what Rick said, he said it quickly, but I think you were correct. It's like congratulations on surviving. This life, man, this life is fragile. I almost died the other day in Long Beach. One more step when I was gone. So like this upcoming birthday, we should all just kind of sit back and be like, man, you made it another year.

Odds are the years that go on, it's harder and harder to make it. Correct. So I think that is the best justification I can, someone could present to me of why birthdays are a thing. It's like, dude, or way to go. Like, good, you know, a whole other year, you did it. You're still here. You're still breathing. Great job.

Like, that's what I could get behind. So yeah, fine, fair. I'll give it to any of the other bullshit I think is preposterous. Yeah, I don't see much in birthdays. I was just trying to think of it. Like, there's really not much except you made it another year. I mean, I really don't care about my birthday at all. However, like my, everybody that, like, my family is like,

oh, it's your birthday on Thursday. Like, doing anything? It's like, no, not really. Just it's another day, traveling for work. What's the best birthday gift you've ever gotten, Lurch? And Riggs and Trent. I don't know why I just said to just you, but I'll open the floor. Or?

Birthdays weren't always so big. Christmas for us was always the big one. Like birthdays, maybe I got actually a Ranger's starter jacket, I think, for my birthday one year, which was phenomenal when I was a youngster. But like for Christmas we had big stuff. He didn't ask about Christmas. I know. Mine is from a girl I was dating at the time a trip to Washington, D.C.

And I had never, a big, you know, politics guy, I love elections and all that. I'd never been down there. I love history. we saw the original Constitution, which is, you know, like at the National Archives, we went, got a tour of the Capitol building. We got like, we saw the Lincoln Monument, and she kind of like booked and set the whole thing up. Only mistake she made our flight back was literally during the Super Bowl on Sunday evening, which was a tough break for her because she booked it like two months in advance, didn't even think about that. But that was a great birthday gift. So that was a good one.

I don't know if my internet's working. I don't think the internet's working over here. I don't think his audio's just not working. His volume doesn't work. That room, man. That room sucks, but are you guys hardwired in there? I see the other day I was shit-talking that room and someone snarky or snide from Frank the Tank said that

there's just a way of that not happening. You just plug it in. It's like, all right. I don't know. It will never cease to amaze me that the internet is horrible and the worst that anyone ever experiences it

on their show is when they are in the podcast studio trying to do it so um so yeah Trent's just I gotta tell you

he's just sitting there we got people walking in there right now all business is he's got the same look every day is that blue button down that's rolled up to his elbow exactly yeah just

little wrinkled around the hips pathetic version of Steve Jobs outfit is all business is Pete's outfit. Always a little a pair of jeans or maybe cackies and then he'd always wear the like Adidas white shoes that are way too dirty.

Yeah, way, way too dirty. It's a good time by the way to talk about this right here, which I got my little hands. And this one, this is for, I kind of said that to get through everything. Kind of tough. Well, it's just like, oh yeah, we're going to go to your little restaurant there.

That was, it's how people talk. I get that, but like, I'm not different. I mean, I'm going to show you this. I'm going to try you this drinking my little hands. It's like, yikes, dude. All right. My normal hands, all right?

I think you have normal hands. That's why it's like, no, I do. I agree. Thank you. Can we talk about what's in my normal size hands and I shouldn't have said little hands? Owen's mixers, man.

The ultimate mixer. We've got that thing lined up at Barrelli's right now. People are drinking mixers like you wouldn't believe. It's catching fire on Long Island. I mean, it's the summer of the mixer. Are we getting any grapefruits over there, Frankie? I see all the, obviously, transfusion mix is going crazy over there at Pirelli's, but are we getting any grapefruit in line?

Yeah, we've got some of the big ones, too, that I guess they sell to the restaurants. It's nice. The big mixers, they've got the grapefruit, they've got the club soda and lime. So it's a really good mixer. And there's Trent. Trent is back with us. With a smile. Looks like he's pretty confident he can talk?

I don't know. Can you guys hear me? No. No. No. His lips are moving and there's no audio coming out of those things. I think after it was mute, he shrunk two inches. He just, like, was all confident here I come, and then nothing.

And for the second show in a row, all the listeners are like, fucking Frankie joins the show again and the fucking flows all off. Little do they know that we got rats eating the fucking wires at Barcelona headquarters, and that's why the hell we can't hear each other. Anyways, Owens Mixers, okay? You got Amazon, get Owens Mixers delivered to you. They're big supporters of the show. So big banks and go check them out your local stores.

They got Owensmixtures.com. It's a store locator. You can just figure out where they have it and go acquire it. John Tapp. So, you know, Frankie's been on Bar Rescue before. He is one of the most electric people in the history of entertainment. I mean, everything that he does. Him dressing down office manager breath,

maybe my favorite moment in the history of Barstall Sports. and then he's been on our show before and he's great. He actually got started out in the golf industry and like the golf hospitality industry. John Taffer is one of those people that it doesn't matter what subject he's talking about. He may not even know that much about the subject, but his presence and the release of the information that he gives just makes it sound like he's been, you know, an expert in the field for 30 to 40 years, right? He could be talking about hockey.

He could be talking about golf. He could be talking about restaurants. He could be talking about a movie theater experience. He's so confident and he is so knowledgeable about so many different things that I just love to talk to him. I can't wait to speak to him. At this point right now, as we're talking, we have yet to speak to him. We have him tomorrow. So it's just, it's always a pleasure with my pal John Taffer.

Yeah, you're right. He speaks with full conviction and he's extremely convinced. You know, people always talk about, like, Bill Clinton in the, like, South Park did the, he's just like the most convincing person. He can convince anybody to do anything anytime. Taffer, I think, is like that with just like verbally when he, when he dresses somebody down or discusses a topic, like, Frankie said. I will believe everything that he says. He could just start, like, demanding to me that the sky is red and I would just walk around for the rest of my life. He'd be like, oh, the sky's red, you idiots, you hear John Taffer.

You know what he does? And this could be, like, I guess if you go to, like, communication school or if you took a class on how to. Trent just, sometimes the video shows like what's going on in front of Trent's face with I see Jake Bass and Pete and everybody. And then it just pans to Trent who now there's this important moment where Trent, I think, is about to speak and we're going to see if he can be heard. The moment's also building too, because every time he comes out of MD, it gets worse and worse. So, Trent? Can you hear me? No, nothing.

No. No. Absolutely nothing. Just go home, dude. You know? Pick up your shit and get the fuck out of there. Get out of there. You got to be anywhere else, dude.

Anywhere else in the world you could do a podcast from? I did it from the beach at the Barstville Classic, half-moon bay, the ocean in the background. There's golf balls flying. It's perfect connection. So true. You could do it literally anywhere in the world. You could probably do it on the fucking moon better than you can.

at the office. I just tethered it to my phone and I just did it literally from the cliffs of California. Not a Wi-Fi signal in sight and I was able to get it done. And Trent's in our headquarters. And boy, you just can't be heard. One of the things I want to say about John Taffer is like if you went to a class on how to present or how to how to speak to people and be convincing, he does this thing that I'm sure is by design. Have you ever noticed that when he's saying something, he's not. nods his head yes so that you then have to agree with what he says, right?

Like he does this on bar rest you all the time and he'll do this in this show, right? So he'll walk in and be like, okay, we're going to rearrange this bar because it's dark in this side, correct? And he's nodding your head and you're like, yop, it's dark over here. And we want the light to reflect through those windows to the back of the bar. And as he's saying this, he's nodding yes and you're like, oh my God, this is the information I've always wanted. And he does it with everything because he is so fucking. good at speaking and I love him. He's just, he's an inspiration of mine, honestly. His rise to the top on how he's built his little empire on like, he has a stranglehold on

restaurant business. And I just don't, I don't know anyone else that is kind of like him. I don't know another person that's like John Taffer. He's one in a billion. And I just fucking love him. Yeah, I do too. He's the best. He's coming up on this show after we go through a bunch of from the galleries and some headlines. All right, Trent, Trent Ryan has rejoined us. He has had an army of human beings that are professional technicians when it comes to producing shows in his studio. And now, Trent, would you like to grace the listeners with your beautiful voice? Hello.

It's great to be back. We had, hello. Hello, all business Pete and tech eye, Andrew in here trying to figure it out. I think we got it figured out. I think you guys can hear me now, which is great. I did want to add something to the birthday conversation. You guys were saying that they were pointless and meaningless, and I agree with that to an extent. But I think this last year has made birthdays maybe a little bit different.

I think just getting through another year is good enough for me. Like I think that's it. I think it is an accomplishment. I know people, the joke is always, oh, no, you didn't accomplish anything. Why are we celebrating a birthday? Feel like that's changed just a little bit. I agree. I have a question, though.

Is Trent frozen for anybody else? Trent's frozen. super frozen he hasn't he just hasn't moved i think we can still hear him trent you can speak to us but you can't move is that correct i'm also i saw my frozen screen and i looked like shit i'm glad we got rid of it just now but can you guys still hear me yes that's all that matters trant i think that i think what you said um applies to a lot of years i it doesn't you know what i mean it doesn't have to be just this year i think getting through fucking life in general is just you know a celebration but i i will not go as far as to say is i'm not like someone

like Frankie who continues to tell people when his birthday is, wants to celebrate the week leading up to it. That, that I, that's a little too much for me. Right. That selfish behavior isn't good for anybody. Listen, it's a party. People enjoy it. It's not like it's a bad thing, right? Like, if we're celebrating stuff, that's not, that's not necessarily a negative. It's not like I'm walking around like a pity party for a week. We're going to bars. We're getting cake. Who doesn't like cake? Sure, I'm at the end of it. I'm the one getting sang to. I'm the one getting the presence, but like everyone's involved in what's what's supposed to be a cheery event. That might be what it is.

That you, at the end of the day, you are the center of attention during all of that time. So maybe you enjoy that aspect of it. Yeah, man, listen. I get a break from being like, why don't you go fucking go behind the camera pizza boy to then it's like everyone sings happy birthday to me. It's a nice little, it's a nice little mix up in the daily routine. Better reprieve is helpful for you. When you just get destroyed all day, you need that happy birthday.

Frankie's on. I stare at the candles as they burn. That might be the sickest thing about you is that in spite of all the abuse that you take, the curing thing for you is a bunch of people standing around saying, Happy Birthday Frankie might be the most maniacal thing about you. A nice peanut butter ice cream cake, too. Yeah, that does sound nice. Look, I think we figured out.

I think we solved, you know, what birthdays are really for, which is like we're always looking for a reason to just, get together and rally around something. We don't really give a shit what it is. It might be a sporting event. It might be a holiday. It might be somebody's birthday. So no matter what it is,

it's a good reason to get together and be happy and sing to Frankie. So I'm in for it. Happy birthday Lurch. That's really the bottom line here. Thursday is Lurch's birthday when this show goes out. Next month or August, we'll have to deal with Frankie's birthday. You're like a birthday week guy, right, Frankie?

Yeah, especially this year's getting taken away from me. Like I said, we will have to celebrate maybe August 9th, 10th or 11th. 12th, but Lurch, happy birthday. How old are you turning? 34. Woof. Yeah, that's why I mean, almost never should have brought it up. No, no, I mean, that's fair.

Almost, that's a bad age. It's almost 40, dude. Basically 40, right? No, no, don't get crazy on that. You know, it's certainly almost 35. Trent turns 34 is going to puke. I'm at the age now, where I'm at now, because I actually ran into this problem last night.

At the end of a tweet for, you know, just to cap, off a tweet, I was going to put my age. And I actually didn't do it because I'm afraid of how old I'm getting. I'm not 34, but it's like I'm getting close to those ages. And I'm at the point now where I just don't want people to know how old I am. Dude, I'm sorry. 30s are for me infinitely better than 20s, in my opinion.

I just think life's better. I hope so. I do. I just think life's better. Like you're, you know who you are more. You're like more, you're more grounded in,

in who you are. You've, in theory, like, moved up more. So you have a little bit more, like, resources and you can kind of, like, do stuff and do what you want.

And you're not as immature. Like, half of my 20s or more. It's like, you don't even fucking remember it. Like, you're such an idiot doing such stupid shit.

Whereas in your 30s, like, you go to a little bit, like, nicer dinners, and you kind of do stuff that's a little bit more meaningful. And like I said, you kind of have the means,

at least a little bit more to like do some cool stuff. Whereas again, in your 20s, you're just trying to like fucking get through it and get like day to day and get bar to bar and get like drink to drink, which is fun. It's cool. You're young.

But I just think, my 30s, I think, are more enjoyable than my 20s. I just don't feel that much different than I was in my 20s. Like I don't know. I don't know. I haven't changed all that much about my life. And some of those things are becoming far less cute.

Well, I also think, you're a big, like, I think like Friday night through Monday morning, you just like to not leave your apartment. So I figure that's probably not going to change that much. Yeah. And I guess there is a part of me that got into this job or this line of work because I didn't want to grow up like the rest of my friends were going to have to grow up. But even that has its limits. It's a fucking therapy session right now. Yeah, this is deep.

I was going to say like I'm in. So from the perspective of someone that's in their 20s, I'm 27, turning 28 August 13th, I, I don't think I'm still don't think I'm a full human being Like my brain is still developing at this point Like I wasn't I wasn't a normal human being in my in my 20s And I still am in my 20s Like I'm still wearing sweatpants to Borrelis And jumping on tables and watching hockey games

I'm still like living in my parents fucking In my bedroom that I've been in for the last 15 years With flags all over the walls Like yeah it's probably a little late Like it shouldn't be doing that at 27 But like I think when I'm 33 34 I'll have it all figured out, hopefully. But yeah, your 20s are your time to learn and shit.

Every decade, I think, has its thing that goes along with it. And the 20s is definitely a learning experience. 30s I'm looking forward to. 34 is a little old for me. 30 to 33, I'm looking forward to. There's probably a good amount of truth, too. The fact that you should always convince yourself that, like, the period that you're in is like the prime time.

It's like just for your mental sanity. I think that should be the move. 100%. You're putting your head on the pillow. each night. You should believe that no, this is the best spot in life that I can potentially be. And I think we're all just talking about like the same things in different ways. Like Riggs is like, no, like, I'm like the most financially set. So like my life's great. Like I've got a good spot. I know exactly who I am. Frankie's like, oh, you can be like more

outgoing in your 20. It's like, yeah. I mean, you can do a little piece of everything. I want, I wanted to be clear that I'm very happy. I am very happy. Like I like the things that I like to do. I just wonder some people are probably like, I can't believe that guy still does those things. That's what are those things, though, Trent? Like, what are the things you mentioned some things that were a little less cute? I would love to know what those items are. I mean, I'm an aging blogger. You know what I mean? Okay. Yeah. That's just a thing that I, you know, I was not prepared for. Okay. So you're just not, all right. So the stereotypical 30s, uh, you should be like moving up into like a a management or like C-suite position in an office overlooking a city.

That's like what people think of the 30s and you're saying sitting behind a computer blogging about The Bachelorette is something that you didn't anticipate doing. But again, I like doing those things and I want to continue. But I'm sure the society is kind of like, that's kind of weird. You're more like, I feel like the only negatives that anyone's really fighting about like being 30 or 34 or whatever. I'm already 34 by the way. It's like what other people think. not like where you're at as a person,

which is, like, who gives a fuck what other people think? I know that's not easy. Like, we all do care to a degree. But if you really step back and look, like, if you're happy and you're crushing Sour Patch kids and blogging about The Bachelor, like, who cares? Bro, we all fall into this shit that we care about. We all do what everyone wants us to do.

Or else, like, a lot of us would just move to a fucking island and just, like, survive and live life. You know what I mean? If we didn't care about fucking. status and family and all that stuff. If you just cared about your own self and happiness of your own self, there's no chance half the people in this world would sit in the rat race and be fucking sitting on the Long Island Railroad every morning and going to some office job.

Like my buddy Rob, who loses his teeth in his fucking tuna sandwich. Rob's losing his hair. His tooth is stuck in his fucking ham and cheese sandwich. The guy fell down an attic the other day. He almost broke his fucking neck and half. He's sitting there. He's never laughed at work. Never laughed at work.

Bro, when you told me that a couple years ago, that might be the hardest I've ever laughed at work. When you came out to me and you said, my buddy Rob just sent me this thing where he said he's never once laughed at work, that is just, that's a dark place. One of the saddest things ever stayed on this podcast, I think was exactly that.

Rob's never laughed at work. Just thinking about that is the most depressing thing. So if he gets to 34 and hasn't laughed yet, then he's got to figure something else. He's got to make his own decision. I don't know what Rob looks like, but I have pictured him telling you that he's never laughed at work with the most deadpaned look on his face.

I'm like, no, I've never laughed at work. I think I presented to him in a question. I'm like, dude, like you don't like, have you ever laughed? And he goes, God, no. Like the thought of there ever being a moment where the people in that little room bursted out into laughter was like he was beside himself.

Like in what scenario would that come up? I don't even know that he speaks the same languages of people in the room with him. So there's really just no communication. It's very, very funny. But my point being, people like that would just fucking move to Fiji. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah, but my counter to that would be that like family and being around your friends and stuff is like a part of your selfishness.

Like that's what people like to do. Like if you're just on an island alone, that wouldn't be fun. Then you're just Tom Hanks and Castaway and he's a great person. So I think like there's an element like maybe you would just chill and like have drinks in the backyard with your buddies like every single day all the time and never go to work. So yes, there is like a certain part of like rat race society that's always going to drive us. I just think and I'm not even I'm not even saying like you're financially set in your 30s. You're just in theory most people should be like more financially safe in their 30s and they were in their 20s. And therefore I think you can like when you have that you have the means to kind of do more of what you want.

Whereas when you're in your 20s, especially in like your young 20s, you really don't have any options because like you probably don't have any fucking money. And you're living paycheck to paycheck. And you're going out and you're like going to bro J's and drinking all the time. You live in New York. And you're spending the money that you do have. And you're just like, I don't know, you're just kind of running from thing to thing. And you're not really. Whereas again, I think that when you're, for me at least in 30s, I'm a little bit more set in like who I am.

And there's a little bit more of a picture painted of like who I'm going to be. And I'm more comfortable with that. Whereas I think you're more susceptible in your 20s to, like, societal pressures and, like, what's everyone else doing? And am I getting left behind? Like, is this guy doing better than I am? Even though you shouldn't give a fuck about that, I think people care more about that in their 20s. So I'm in the middle of a move right now.

I'm going from, I'm moving into the same building, but a different unit. And last night I was. Which is so funny, by the way. I was. Yeah, yeah. It's just easier. Again. And it's, I, but last night, I was live tweeting the Bachelorette from a beach chair in my

living room because I don't have a couch. right now because it was Robbie's couch. He took it. So I was just in an outdoor beach chair live tweeting The Bachelorette. And I wouldn't have it any other way, quite honestly. Will you get a couch? Yeah, I already ordered one. It gets here on the first. So there's just like a little bit of I can see you getting very content with the beach chair and that going on for months upon months. And you're just like, I'm not going to get a couch. No, I ordered a couch. So that'll be here the 1st of July. So there's just a little bit of a gap. But if I had discovered beach chair life, before I got the couch, then I might just roll with the beach chair.

You also can't see Trent during this whole podcast. We're just looking at a big orange J that stands for Jake Bass. I guess the audio, the visuals are just not working on the spot. So it's very funny to hear Trent's voice project behind the letter J on the Cisco WebEx. Trent, can you see, can you see us right now? I can, yeah. Can you see me right now? Yeah, you're holding some oars and alps.

Wow. We like oars and alps, don't we, Trent? Dude, I honestly, so that spray that you're holding right now, it's 50 SPF, if you put that on your body and you go out in the sun, you cannot tell that you went out in the sun. And I'm not kidding. That is the best sunscreen, sun tan lotion stuff that I have ever come across. You will put it on. You won't get burned. You might get a little bit of a tan. I actually look a little tan right now, but you will not get burnt. And that is a promise. Yeah, I mean, we were we were putting this stuff on once, twice a day out in San Diego. It was sunny every single day. day. The beauty of it, I mean, we've all put on suntan lotion before. There's a lot of the other stuff is just awful for your skin. Like, they just

cake crap in there that will, yeah, stop the sun from getting to your skin, but it like clogs up your, oh, it's just awful for you. Ors an ounce, which is, I mean, it's in their deodorants, everything. It's all natural, baby. This stuff is legitimately good for your skin, and it repels the sun.

Frank, you need to repel the sun, I feel like. I do, and I'm trying to get more in the sun. Last year I got tan for a hot. minute and it's actually stuck with me. So I think I've officially changed my skin color on the parts that are exposed, right? Like even during the winter, there's still a shade you could see where my shorts ended, even in the dead of winter. So now that I'm like, I have a base almost of not so, so transparent white, but now it's

just white. So I'm trying to work on each summer to get it getting that to change. But this Orson Alps after sun cooling spray with the aloe and cuckooia oil. you could throw those words on a bottle, and I'm going to spray that on me every single time I come back in the house after the sun. And I'm telling you, this thing works wonders. Trent has been a big advocate for this because he says that it turns that red right into a nice tan. It is fantastic. It's cooling.

When you come in from the sun, maybe you take a shower and you're feeling cool. You come out of the shower, you put this thing on, and you lay in bed after it dries. Holy smokes, is that a nice way to end your night? Yeah, when we got back from Keowa, and I was burnt because they took my oars and alps at the airport. it when I was going through security, I got back and I was burnt from standing out in the South Carolina sun. But when I put on that post sun spray, it's very cooling and calming and you don't, it doesn't feel like you're as burnt as you might be. Riggs has got the whole lineup. Yeah, I'm just kind of doing a whole thing over here. But Orson Alps, they are really, really good.

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Right. No, that's my favorite. I use that pretty much every day for sun protection, but then also if I feel like I got burned on my face because I didn't apply, I add that as well. So that's the best product in the market, I would say. Orsonalps.com slash four. get yourself any two SPF products and you're going to get a free pack of cooling and cleansing wipes or is an opposite great stuff.

Do you guys know what SPF actually indicates the number? Sun protection. Yeah, I think it's, I want to say it is, is it number of like hours or something like that that you would be protected? It's like something nobody would think of, but I'm not right. What is it, Frank? So what does SPF even mean, though, Riggs? Do you know what that stands for?

I guess sun protection formula. That's what I said, yeah. Sun protection factor. SPF. Okay. The number beside it indicates how well the sunscreen protects against skin from sunburn. It is not an indicator of how long you can stay out in the sun, rather. It indicates how much longer it takes an untanned skin to start to redden with the sunscreen applied compared to how long it would take to start to redden without it.

Oh, wow. Interesting. So I guess if I've, explain that to me like I'm five. Yeah, I don't, I didn't even understand. So if you're buying SPF4, that's just the biggest waste of money I've ever heard. Because that's giving you four extra minutes before you get a burn. Well, I don't think it's said minutes. No, it's not minutes.

I think it was just a factor. It was just like kind of its own scale. Oh, okay. It indicates how much longer, it indicates how much longer it takes untanned skin to start to red and with sunscreen applied compared to how long it takes to red in, without it. That's from science.org. Different skin colors take different

different lengths of time to burn. Correct. Right. So Frankie, yeah, what's your factor? You might be. As soon as the sun sees you. For example, if it typically takes you 15 minutes to burn without sunscreen and you apply SPF 10, it will take you 10 times longer, two and a half hours

to burn in the sun. So there we go. So that reapply then is very important. Yes. And also, it's evident that they keep saying if it typically takes you 15 minutes to burn, then using an SPF 10, you will now have 10 times the amount of time to burn, to not burn. So I may burn in two minutes. You may, you may burn in fucking 30. So you may need a less SPF. There we go. We cracked it. Or is an else? We cracked it. Speaking of cracking it, Trent, cracking 100, breaking 100. I imagine there'll be another episode. this week, is that correct? New episode comes out tonight. This comes out on a Thursday that the second attempt to break 100 will be out tonight. Me and producer Jake, we drove out to

Queens, we went to Clearview Park golf course, where Riggs had a match against Paige Sprannock once upon a time. There may be a clip of that in the video that we're putting out, but as you would assume Riggs. But yeah, tonight, Breaking 100 attempt number two, make sure to watch it. It's a good one. Yeah, that match resulted in me in a thong jumping into a pond, which is unfortunate for everyone. For everyone. Especially when you compare it to what the alternative result could have been. 100%.

Well, prepare to potentially see that image again in this video. Mentally prepare thyself for that. Okay, so that is tonight on our YouTube channel for play golf. Trent, I will say that, you know, put out this little tweet about send us some. from the galleries questions because a very substantial number of them just want to hear how the breaking hundreds going so without revealing you know particular results and ruining videos spoiling anything can you give the folks an update on how you know you're progressing as a double-digit golfer

um i would say it's going well it's it's going in a direction that i didn't necessarily anticipate when we first started it like here's what here's the trajectory that i originally saw was i go down there. I train with JT. He teaches me a new swing. We sort of restructure it. I get better at golf. And then I'm able to just take all of those things that he told me and immediately put them into practice. But what happens is you take those things and it's so much information that you are then just putting in small pieces along the way. It's not like I got all the information. And now it's, you know, in the Matrix when they get into the helicopter and the guy is like, hey, I need to know how to fly a helicopter. And they just upload it.

it to his head. That's how I thought my golf swing was going to go. But it's a much, much, and I knew this intellectually, but I was so excited about getting a new swing and working with JT that I wanted it to happen immediately. But what I'm finding is that I am getting better. I get better every single time, whether or not the score shows that. And it's just, once all the pieces work together, it's going to be an awesome, awesome golf swing and my game is going to be a bazillion times better than it was. But it's, it's just, it's just. just a process. The whole thing is one big process. I'm practicing. I'm grinding on puts in my apartment. And then when all those pieces come together, we're really going to have something.

Yeah, I mean, look, if someone can give you all the knowledge about how to lose weight and they can tell you nutritionally how to eat and they can tell you the workouts to do. Feels like what I'm talking about me. Unless you do them, like you're not really going to lose weight or like look better. And I think that in golf, that's similar because we've all gone through phase. We're like, you know, I'm going to make a concerted effort to get better. And you get the information, you get the knowledge, you get a lesson, you watch a YouTube video, whatever it is. But then unless you actually go out and like ingrain those new things that you've learned into your swing, into your game, you don't just magically get better. And that can psychologically be very frustrating because you actually

usually like get worse before you get better. Uh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And that could potentially maybe be happening with me. But yeah, it is. It's what it is. You explained it perfectly. I have the knowledge. John Hillary, J.T. He's a great swing coach.

He's a great guy. He has given me all of the tools. And he's still like, we're still touch base all the time. And you'll see in the video that comes out tonight. Like I wasn't able to see him in person. We web-exed and we did a lesson and all that stuff. So it's just a process. That's what I'll say.

But I'm enjoying it because I know that at the end of it. I'm going to be much, much better. I like watching too, because I know that you really want to do right by JT. And your swing has changed dramatically. I mean, when we play that you have at least another, you might have 30% more length than you had before. It's just now kind of dialing it all in. And I think when we, you know, I'm intrigued because I think the future for you is not

just 100. I think it is that I would say high 80 mark in the not too distant future. Well, and that's another thing, too, with the, I do have more distance, and it's also figuring out now what my actual distances are with my clubs. Because before I knew them, when I was swinging with just my arms, I knew the distances there. They weren't very long, but I knew what they were. Now that there's more things moving and I'm hitting the ball further, I have to recalibrate my brain on what club to hit on what shots. So that's another part of it, too. Totally.

Yeah. I mean, I think everybody is. And I mean it. I know you don't think I mean it, but I mean it. I want you to break 100. I want you to get really good at golf. I can see on your face in your body language that you are passionate and genuinely frustrated when you are not hitting good golf shots,

which is a sign of a guy, I think, who's now kind of addicted to getting better, which is the whole point. Right. Yeah. I love it. Here's the real part of it too. Yeah. And you are right because when I was playing my old game, I knew what it was and I knew that

it was really bad. So when I went out there, there was no. level of frustration when the wheels really came off. I was just like, I fucking suck. Like, I know that. It's pretty clear. It's clear to everyone. But now that I've been given the tools and the training to be better and when I try to execute that and it doesn't happen, that's where the frustration comes. And I've seen it on you guys. I've seen it when we play and you guys are not playing as well as you want to play, but you know that you can. Then you create a little gap of frustration. And I'm now sort of experiencing that for the first time. I've been frustrated

on the golf course before, but now it feels even more magnified because I know that there's something better in there. Totally. Welcome to golf. Honestly, welcome to golf. The damn things, a game of misses, game of frustration, rarely do you put your best game forward? I don't know if I've ever for 18 holes.

I've been like, oh, wow, I played like, that's the best golf I could ever play. And so just welcome to the misery and love is the game of golf. I don't think this is going to happen, but am I going to get to the end of this and be like, Man, I'm just furious and I shot like a 91 or am I, I don't think that's what I'll be like because I really do want to get better and it'll be much more fun if that happens, when that happens, then I would be if I'm just like, oh yeah, I just keep going out there shooting 108 to 110 and I'm just laughing the whole time. Well, I think what will happen is you will get to a point, I think, Trent, very confident,

where you are going to shoot like 91 and everyone's going to be like, hooray, kumbaya, and you and your head are going to be like, I fucking should have shot 83. God, I left so many shots out there. And I can tweak that. There's no excuse to hit this shot, Trent. You're better than that. And then you will, like, someday, especially you keep going, like, shoot 83 or something. Be like, man, I could have broken 80 so easily.

Like, those shots are boneheaded. And then it's just an infinite chase. And that's the beauty of the whole thing. Yeah. I think on top of that, too, it's like everybody, I certainly believe, like, you're good athlete. And so I think to this point, you've never put like a good athletic swing that's like the best Trent swing that you could do into a golf ball. And now I think you're getting close to that. So then it will open up almost a can of worms in a sense where you'll hit really good shots.

You'll see that you're not on others and it'll bring this the love of golf, which is just like a game of misses, frustrations. And then all of a sudden you find that perfect swing at one time. And you're like, that was sweet. There's no doubt it's going to be more fun for you. It's just going to bring in the frustration when you shoot a 105 to 110, just like it does for every golfer when they shoot a horrible score. Like every time I'm on camera, I shoot a fucking high 90 or 100.

It's fucking infuriates me. But that's just the game of golf. Yeah. I actually, that Torrey Pines video that's out right now. I thought that was a pretty damn good video for like what we did. We kind of just like, we had the one camera out there and the freelancer.

That was a very enjoyable video. I agree. I thought they did a great job with it. It's beautiful. The views are awesome mixed in with us playing that bitch from 7,800 yards. Watching lurch on six was very funny. Just couldn't figure out that drive. Just not even close. Just right, right again, wrote down a nine. On to the next hole we go. But that, I mean, like, to Trent's point, that's just it. That's your off. It's like I wanted to hit it straight. I just couldn't. The old happy Gilmore line. You be lurched by five shots of that hole. I did. I beat lurched for the whole day. And we actually played that hole as a par five. They play that as par four.

So that's mistake on our end. I made a four anyway. Yeah, it doesn't matter. Yeah, it's probably the lowest score possible. Yeah, that Tori Pines v. That was tough. That was before I saw J.T. That was, I remember one point just being like, they shouldn't have allowed me on this

golf course from this distance. It's so hard. Yeah, that was the one we did that podcast after. And that was the most dejected on a golf course or really anywhere I've ever seen my my man Trent Ryan, who's just a positive, you know, kind of man all the time. You were sad. But, yeah, so check out Breaking 100 tonight. Stick with me, ride with me.

We're going to get this thing done. It's going to be a fun ride. So, Trent, I did mention that we have a bunch of front of galleries. And while we're talking about this, I'm just going to expedite. I get to this guy, Andy from the UK, who just wrote an email and said, does Trent realize how much of an impact his Breaking 100 series is having, to golfers of similar standards like myself on similar journeys across the world. It's just great to see the normalization of golf like we play it instead of constant professional

golf. That's very nice of him to say, and I appreciate that. And what I would say is that I think that's really the beauty of this podcast. If you look at it from a larger place, like we have guys at all different levels. So we're very relatable to people at all different levels. Sure, percentage-wise, most golfers in the world are probably. like me and they're struggling, they're trying to break 100,

that's sort of where it is. But we've got guys in this podcast at all different stages of the amateur weekend hacker golfer. And I think that really just speaks to us as a group. Like we can connect with a lot of people because our abilities, our ranges are so massive.

If that makes sense. You know, I totally agree. I like, it's funny because sometimes we get so much hate online about our swing or whatever and like, but I, do think most people side with you of like if I had to count every damn stroke that I put on that golf ball for a day could I honestly break 100 and it because it's like it's not easy to do golf is not

an easy game by any means and we all are at different levels and like I think I had a moment with honesty of Trent we were driving somewhere this past weekend and I just looked at him I was like I might have just plateaued in the game of golf like I don't know if I'm going to get any better and it is the most frustrating thing in the world I almost still wish that I would I was like an 18 and felt like I was going to shave somebody shots off my game. Because right now I'm in a spot. It's like, and Riggs, I don't know if you feel the same way, but it's just, I don't know if I'm going to get much better at this game of golf.

Well, I'm at a point, I would say, where I know I can't get much better or any better, really, unless I make some fundamental changes, right? Like with, with like the technique that I have now ingrained and the muscle memory and all of that, with like my swing and my short game and on. Like, unless I make a. fundamental change to my golf swing. I don't think it's possible for me to get better. I just can't hit the ball consistently and far enough with my current swing to, like, get

much better. Now, with my whole game, I could like slap it around and post scores in the mid to high 70s occasionally, but like, man, those guys, we've all played with those guys that are legitimate scratches or plus one or two handicaps. And like, they just hit the ball out there pretty far, pretty straight on the green all day long and I just don't do that unless like my swing is better closer to theirs. I can't do that. And that would require substantial changes, I think, to my swing that I would love to try to make. But it's like who has the time to do that? I get that it looks like we're just on a golf course living our

best life all the time. We can practice all time. Like who the fuck has the time to do that? And who knows how to? Like, we've talked about that too. Like, I don't know how to go to a driving range and genuinely get better. Like, I just go out there. I fucking hit it. a couple of nine irons. I start to flush them because I just get in a groove and I've hit seven in a row and I'm like, all right, figure out the nine iron, baby. And then like, you do the same thing with the driver. And eventually you're like, dude, I just hit seven straight drives in a row. Golfs easy. You get on the course. Maybe you hit a couple good ones to begin, but then you start spraying a few and you're back where you fucking started or you're a step backwards. Like it's just, that's the game at

this point. That is true. That might be the saddest thing of all time is that I don't know if I've ever actually fundamentally changed a mechanical thing in my swing. I've only changed a thought in my mind. It's like, oh, this feels a little bit different. Oh, try this. And that's really the only change I've ever made in this. Dude, but going to the range really does. It really opens your eyes at how practicing helps.

We kind of talked about in the last podcast of what these guys do prior to the U.S. Open. But I went over to Cherry Valley and I used their short range not too long ago. And I've never done this in my life, but they have a little range where it's a strip of driving range and there's a green 70 yards away. And I just learned how to hit a 70 yard shot. Now, was I doing anything differently with like mechanical, mechanically or technically? No, I was just learning in my brain how far do I have to go back and how hard do I have to swing for a 70 yard shot? And I must have hit 100 balls onto this green or around it from 70 yards.

I'm taking divvits. I'm feeling it. The next day or maybe like a week after I play. had a 70 yard shot and I stuck it to like 10, like five feet. You're like, went 10 feet back, rolled, rolled closer to the hole. And I was just like, well, that's because I just did that two days ago. And I've never done that in my life because I've always got to public driving ranges. I've never had a chance to go to a grass range and hit 70 yard shots for three hours under the sun.

You know what I mean? Whenever I golf, I golf, I don't practice. So I'm never seeing that shot. The distance is side of the house. The distances you can like practice and get tighter. But like, if you made a full, no, totally. It makes a massive difference. Like, anybody that goes out, you got on the golf course,

whether than like 110 yards, like, what should I hit here? It's like, ooh, dude, like, if you got that, like, we're in for a long one here. But, Frankie, have you ever made, like, a full swing mechanical change in the history of your game? No. You know what's crazy with my swing? Exactly.

Is that my swing is changing without me even realizing it? Is it that age thing we talked about? No, dude. It's getting shorter. It's getting shorter, and I was talking to this with someone, but if you go back and watch all my old videos, even with you guys, or like, all those are the only old videos, it's not like I have any other things aside from you guys. But I had an old YouTube page, that'd be awesome. I don't, but these, I used to go, like, so much further back, and I'm slowly going less and less back on my takeback. And it's because of this goddamn shoulder.

I'm telling you that I think it's so, like, I'm not even realizing it because where I'm bringing it back is just where it's comfortable. and that is now not as far back as it used to be. Does that make any sense? Yeah. Like to me, I just think I'm taking it back to where I've always taken it. And I watch a video and I'm right here. And then I try and go back to where it should be.

And I can't even stretch it. So it's a mixture of this injury that I have that I refuse to get taken care of. It's insane how stubborn I am with this fucking shoulder. And it's a mixture of that and age. And I just think that, I don't know, it's kind of crazy when I watch it now. on these four play YouTube videos, how short it is, and I don't think that when I'm out there.

I don't feel it. It's stunning. And I think like you're right about the wedges and honing in. Like you can get, like practice is definitely going to make everyone better. I just think I'm pretty close. Like if I went out and really, really hit the range every day

and like with pretty much my current swing, just refined it. I do think I'd get a couple strokes better on like my handicap, but I couldn't get to like, a level of a scratch or a plus one or two player. Like I think I would have to make fundamental changes. But you're right.

I mean, I've seen Hank Haney tweet about it a bunch of like people can just go and swing a club in their living room. And even if they're swinging imperfectly, everybody's swinging imperfectly. Literally everybody in the world is swinging perfectly. But if you like ingrain that muscle memory to where you get more comfortable over a ball and you can just swing, like you're just going to be better at the game because you're going to hit more solid shot. So, yeah, practice is always going to make people better. I just don't think most people just don't fucking practice. It's hard to practice golf. You have to get there.

You have to have a giant field where you can just hit golf balls into it. You have to actually find the time to drive there to set up, to hit the shots. To like get, it's just, you just have to find time to do it. It's hard to do. Lurch, when you mentioned that plateau, how much enjoyment does that take away from it? Does it take away anything from it? Because you're, by all accounts, you're a good golfer. When you go out there, you play good golf.

Does it take away your personal enjoyment knowing or thinking that you've plateaued a little bit? No, I don't like, no, because I'm still striving to shoot that like under par. Right. So, like, I don't think that that's crazy out of the realm of possibilities. And actually, you know, you talk to these people that are like golf savants and just hearing that line about Hank Caney and nobody has a perfect swing. actually just made me feel in that moment that like there's a path for me here you know like there's opportunity where I could get better. I'm back baby.

Hell yeah. Exactly. Like in that one line I was like, oh, not that. I think there's actually a path for me to get better. But no, it doesn't take away the enjoyment so much. It's just like it's just another hurdle because it's yes, it's one thing of like have I plateaued, but it might just be with this current swing or my current game. We're just, I'm not dropping the strokes as I once was.

So it's just a different hurdle in my golf game of how do I achieve? How do I get a little better? And it's just, it's tougher because it's smaller amounts of increase. Are you trying to get better at golf or are you just trying to enjoy yourself and have a good day each time you play? Because I can't say to myself that I'm trying to get better at golf right now. I don't put in any work or any effort to be getting better at golf. I literally go out there with you guys and maybe I go out with my buddies once in a while. and I just try and shoot as good of a score as I possibly can that day to have a good day and play good golf,

but I'm not actively trying to get better. That's not what motivates me. And it probably should. That's how you get better. But I wonder what you guys think. Yeah, mine's not that way at all. I'm like not trying to get better. I'm, but in that day, I'm trying to shoot the lowest score possible.

How are we supposed to do that without trying to get better? Right. So then you're just in this like conundrum. However, if my range of consistency was like a billion, I would take that. for just the low round and the high round. Rather to shoot like every round I go out there and I'm going to shoot between like 78 to 84 like most times and like the most scores that I shoot, I'm going to go shoot in 81 or an 82.

That is just like, okay, we just did it again. Like I just did like another four and a half hours and like I didn't do anything. I'd rather quickly, I'd just rather have the ability to shoot 68 or 500. Like I would just rather be in that like, oh, there's like there's, it's going to be a different day for you're looking for a little spice in that relationship. You feel it coming the whole time. You feel it coming the whole time. Like you know like the movie plays out almost identically every time where you're like, okay, today's my day. Baby, you're coming off a fresh like range session beforehand. He hit a couple good ones. You're like maybe a sloppy three putt there. And then you look. And next see you know, you're like, well, guess what? I'm fucking three over through six. Like I always am. And like, oh, I'm pretty good there on the front. Riggs, what you pay? Like, 40. And like, oh, I shot 81. Like. Like, same fucking round all the time. It's like, I thought you played well there.

It's like, no, I played so did I, but I also just played how I always play. And like to speak to like, I'm not making a concerted effort to get better. Like I think two or three weeks ago now where I posted like a couple of David Nags where I was like, okay, I'm on the range. I'm like really trying to change this about my swing. I'm going to make a legit effort to try to get better. Like I think since then I've done two range sessions total. So it's like, it's like you just don't know. That's not, that can't be considered a legitimate effort.

to get better, it just can't be. That's not, like, that's a total of fucking maybe three hours over three weeks that, like, I tried to get a little bit better. And then all of that just goes away. Same as if you did a fucking really awesome workout. You ate great for four days. And then for the next two weeks, you ate like an asshole and you didn't get off your couch. It's like, you didn't really do anything.

Right. I wonder what the percentage of people that are actively trying to get better at the game of golf. It's got to be less than 5% of all golfers. Right? Like there. Just weekend hacks is 99%. I would even say it's higher. Right. 1% of the golfers in the world are actively trying to improve their game on a day-to-day basis. So it's amazing that if you just set your mind to it, you are leaps and bounds ahead of 99% of other golfers and the effort that you're putting in to get better.

So what Trent is doing right now is actually pretty impressive compared to the vast majority of golfers in the world. he's actually putting in work and he's putting in and implementing new systems to get better at the game. He's now elevated himself more than 99%. I mean, that's the number we're coming up of people in his area of the game. I agree. And it's also hard to practice golf. Like, if you think about who has access to, like, truly considerably get better, you need to be like a member of a country club or something.

Like, if you want to practice out of a bunker, you can't do that off like a mat range. It's just not easy to do. So yeah, T-Dady, hats off to you because, hey, part of the 1%. This last 10 to 15 minutes has made me feel much better about being a 20 handicapper. Because you guys are just kind of like, you know, I've just, I'm so, you guys are really good golfers. And it's kind of reaching to a point where you can't get all that much better. But it does go back to what Frankie said. Lots of you're talking to for a second.

Well, yeah, yeah. But I was actually going back to what you said. You almost have to reframe the question where it's like, when you go out there, what is your, what's your goal? obviously you don't want to shoot a crazy score, but if you just have fun and you shoot a halfway decent score, like that's a good day. It is, which I think 99.999% of golfers, especially people listening to this podcast,

unless you're a collegiate or high school golfer or you're trying to make it on some sort of tour or you're trying to pursue some sort of dream in golf, I don't know that your day-to-day basis or your experience on the golf course is anything different than just a guy going on. out there to drink a couple beers. It's just, you're just out there to have as good of a day as you could possibly have. And at the end, you're frustrated that you didn't get better, but you put in

zero effort and work to get better. Yeah, and I don't even know that I'm frustrated at the end of the day. Like when I, like, didn't get better and didn't improve. And I would say even like the classic weekend hack line is like, oh, like, would you shoot? Oh, I made like a par on six and then two pars on 14, 15. And then what'd you shoot? Like, you know, around a 90. It's just everybody thinks they shoot like a round of 90 but nobody does. And nobody cares to improve. It's more just like, no, it's out there with my buddies, I smack it around and this is that in the days over.

Yeah, the consensus is that's just really hard game and really hard to try and improve. Like sometimes when we're on these first teas, it's like you just top one or you hit one out of bounds. And I'll just be like, I was, I just drove in a car for the last two hours to get. Like, I was just sitting in traffic a minute ago. And now I'm playing a speed. You want me to swing this club 110 miles an hour and hit this ball straight? Like, give me, like, I don't practice.

I don't know what this swing is. I haven't played in three weeks. Like, what do you want me to do? So it is funny that we put so much pressure on ourselves to fucking play well when we're on a T-box and we don't put any effort in. Well, something that will monitor when you are putting effort in is whoop. The whoop band, gentlemen, which monitors your body. My current, I got to tell you.

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But really cool track, a lot of water, very, very difficult. The PGA championship, women's PGA championship, was when we had Danielle Kay on for the first time, like three or four years ago after she won that, which was a whirlwind of an interview, if you recall that one, Trent. I do. Was she on her way to the airport? Yeah, she was, like, dropping her friend off at the airport, and she was driving, and then they decided at a red light

that she shouldn't be driving while trying to do the interview. So they, like, change seats, and then the car, or the light, I think, turned green, and it was a whole thing. But it's major week yet again. The U.S. Open, obviously, for the women, was awesome at Olympic with everything that went on down the stretch. Yucasoso, and we had Lexi Thompson, who unfortunately kind of melted down on the last six or seven holes.

It didn't get it done, so it delivered awesome drama, and I'm sure we'll get that this week, so I'm excited to watch the women's PGA championship. And then we've also got the PGA tour is up sort of in that. our neck of the woods where we've spent most of our time where most all of you three are right now which is in the northeast in connecticut we've been to this event multiple times the traveler's championship but always draws a good field especially last four or five years i feel like and um and we got a bunch of folks up at tbc river highland so there's a little tour event going on in our neck of the wood did we talk about how we saw yucasso at tory did we talk about that at all

i don't know if we really did she's just wandering around the grounds with that big old trophy. It was cool, man. It was. She was also just like dangling it with one hand. Like, I don't know, like it was a, like a jump rope or something that she was just holding on to. And in reality, it was like the U.S. women's open.

It was big time, big time, oh, this whole thing, energy with her carrying that thing around. She was just kind of dragging it along. Not on the ground or anything, but she just had it at her side like, oh, yeah, I won this thing. Remember that? And we're like, yeah, we definitely do remember that. It was awesome.

Yeah, no, there was a picture. I saw where she was watching the guys finish up on 18 at the U.S. Open, and she had her hands behind her back, and it was just dangling out of her fingers, like as if it was like her credential or something. It was just kind of just, yeah, just whole hum, here's the trophy. Yeah, I remember, like, Abby Lebes, who does social media for the USDA. She put up some stuff, and she just walked into, like, the merchandise tent, and Yucasa was in there just, like, fiddling between Tee's,

shirts holding the U.S. Open trophy in the other hand. It's awesome. So she's cool as how, and they'll be, you know, bat on for another major. The little piece that they did with her and Rory and Phil and how jacked up she was is just like a fan. Like she looked like us inside the ropes. Just couldn't believe that she was there. She's like pulling out her cell phone, taking videos of Rory hitting up close, taking videos of Phil hitting up close, was really, really cool. And it's like, no, you're actually currently like the best women's player in the world. You just won the biggest championship that they have.

So for her to be that impressed with people, it was really, really cool to see. But yeah, they're playing again this week. So that'll be awesome to watch. Always is in its major championship. So get excited. And then, like I said, Travelers Championships. It'll be a ton of golf going on the old travelers.

I'm sure we'll see, what, 8 million replays of Jordan Spee throwing his wedge in the rake. Yeah, I'd say. And also quickly on that video, Rory comes off as just the best person in the world as always. He is the best person in the world, I think. He is. He is.

I mean, but. Dude, when we, when, what day was that where we were, oh, it would have been a Wednesday when we record that podcast or Monday when we were out by the, we recorded on the grounds? And then we went up and saw Rory. He was sitting balls late in the afternoon. And that was the first time he kind of gave us like a, hey, what's up. He just stared at us. Not, didn't I even stare.

That's not the right word. He held a gaze at us. it felt so genuine and I know you had a similar experience with him after the tournament rigs but he's just he's very personable and you wouldn't think that for a superstar like that but he is dude he gave me almost like when you're when you're grandma or something you haven't seen her in like a year and you're like oh my god like grandma it's so good to see you and you can see the genuine like thank you like yes I love it's been so long like I live it's been so long like I for this stuff. That's the same sort of like almost passion that Rory just looks at you with when he

says, thank you. Or says like, what's up, boys? Where he looks at you and you're like, oh, man, this guy, like, it's almost like he needed this. Like, this meant a lot to him that he got to have this little back and forth stare with us for a second. In reality, it should be nothing to him. It should be a token like a hat tip. It should not even be that. He shouldn't even have, he shouldn't even look at us. And many times he hasn't. Yet, all of a sudden, when he does, he does. actually respond to you, it is like it was his entire life. It was like he had spent days, like waiting for this moment to just say thank you to you. And he did it in such a genuine way or such a what's up boys that we all were kind of like, I would go to war for Roy McElroy right now.

And all we did was say like, what's up boys? Right. I would have been less surprised if he had spit in my face. Like if he had spit in my face, I'd been like, yeah, that makes sense. That makes all the sense of the world. You dirty dog. Right. If he was just like, puh. I was like, Oh. You missed. Like I expected that more than a genuine, hello, what's up guys? That's how stunned I was. It makes sense to me, though.

It seems as though he goes hard one way or the other because when he ignores us, boy, does he ignore us. Never, never have I been passed by worse than I've been passed by Rory Macquarie. So the fact that he goes a hundred miles an hour balls to the wall, whether it's being very gracious and saying thank you, or it's like get the fuck out of my way. I don't even see you as a human being standing there. He does both very, very well at the driving range. True. I will say we got acknowledgments both times, Frankie.

So I don't know if it was a little bit of he's just glad that your wiry little body isn't there. Maybe. Maybe just your blind being looks. Who knows? But he acknowledged us each time, which was a shocker. And like in kind of a, I would say kind of a nice way. So maybe he's more open to talking with us. I mean, it was kind of a, it was a crew just seems to be better out there without me, you know, on all.

No. No way. I mean, yeah, a little bit. But I think that he, he gave us a very, like, I know what you guys are about kind of like, look. Which is just so opposite of what he's ever done. Ever. Ever. Do you think that's your nervous energy, Frankie?

Because sometimes when, like, I feel like you get like, nervous giggles, not even, not giggles. No, I think, no, I don't think so. I think when we were at the PGA, I talk to more people than you talk to at the U.S. Open. I think I, I can go up to people. I'm not, I'm not, I'm not. Well, no, here we go with the whatever again.

I mean, you literally asked me, do you think it's because I'm nervous, like a nervous energy on my, my counterpoint that would be. Maybe just what has it pertains to Rory. Yeah, like, I feel like you provide. I think he's been in Norrie and four places, Before I fucking was on the podcast. True.

I agree with that. I agree with that. Rory has historically ignored us and said no to us regardless of who was on the microphone. True. And like literally had his people say like we do not want any contact with four. I mean, it's been a longstanding. Much as I enjoy the thought of Rory will not speak to us if Frankie Borelli is even in the same state. I think it had absolutely nothing to do with it.

I appreciate that. Same. I would say in nervous energy, I think you get nervous excitement around like that type of thing. Yeah, I think we all do. Is that wrong? I think we all do. I think if you don't, then you're on the wrong podcast. Like I think we are fan boys.

That's the kind of thing that we've always done. I'll always be a fan boy. I'm never going to take it for granted when I get all access passes or inside the rope stuff. I'm going to act like the child I am because that is what bars is. We're a bunch of regular people. We're not fucking these Jeff Shacklefers that are going to go up to Rory Macquarie. act like he's a nobody because he's going to write some fucking blog later that day. I'm going to like, no, I'm like your biggest fan. I'm going to, I'm shitting my pants right now.

So another from the gallery was from Easton who said, do you guys get nerves before interviewing a big celebrity on the podcast just like first tee jitters? And my answer was going to be, yeah, every single time. I mean, every single time we have somebody on the podcast, or especially when we're at one of these major championships, just hanging around the range, like it almost feels like we're an welcome distraction and we just don't want to be seen, even though it's our job to be seen. And it's very cool when guys come up to us and make us feel more comfortable because I think we all have that nervous energy. Like I think every single one of us has that.

And if you don't, like Frankie said, it would almost be like, you know, when Tiger talks about like he answers questions all the time. Like, do you get nervous out there? And he's like, yeah, if I didn't get nervous out of here, I wouldn't keep playing. Like that means you care. That means it's something to you. So yeah, I think we get nervous as fuck all the time. Our editor-in-chief, Coli Mick, shout out Coley Mick, one of the best people on this planet.

But he sent an email out today about just, like, the voice of the blog and Barstool Sports in general and how, like, if you're not being authentic and who you are, either on the blog or in videos, that's not, like, that's why people are coming to Barstool to watch our stuff. There's a million different outlets on just keeping it calm, cool, collected, and asking them the X's and O's. That's not what we do. what we do is we go to Australia and we make waves because all we did was fist bump Tiger Woods because no one else in our vicinity would even think to do that with those types of passes, right? Like he made a reference to like Frankie Borrelli's not talking about what happened in the second period of the islander game.

He's hugging his dad and screaming and becoming a lunatic and that's why people are latching on to it as opposed to the ESPN writer that's been writing about the islanders for the last 35 years. Why is, who, who, who writes about the Islander's for ESPN? You don't know. Right. It's just like, but that's the point is like, we, I think we always owe it to our fans and our readers and our viewers to always be who we are and like kind of who they would be if we just handed them our past. Like when I was with my boys at the Barclays at Bethpage when it was there before I was even on the podcast. It was like, this was years ago.

Before I was even at Barstle, it was like, holy shit, Tiger Woods's shot is right in front of us. Like, look, we're hitting. other and we're shaking we have our phones out legitimately i remember i didn't even get a chance to hit the video i hit photo photo at a beginning and an ending because i was legitimately i was going to puke and i never want to lose that because then we'll never be who we are like there's a bunch of people in our fucking field that have other podcasts that act like oh oh we're the fucking voice of this and like this is where you should get your golf analysis like golf analysis bullshit we're going to talk about the shit that we talk about because that's just who we are dude the video of us

eating tiger at Pebble. It was big for a gazillion reasons, but the number one reason was our reactions to it. Because we were just, that's, Frank, you didn't say a word. I couldn't answer regular question.

Riggs was as calm, cool, and collected as, as the three of us, but still was fucking nervous as hell. Like, that's what people want because people,

that's how other people would react if they had our type of access. And that's really all that it is. Yeah. And look, that video, I love it. It was really cool.

It's got millions and millions of views. If that was just Mike Tariko having the exact same conversation with Tiger, I don't know that it would have more than 9,000 views or any view because it would matter. He didn't say anything. He just said he was going to go watch basketball. That was literally what he said. At one point he turned around and said basketball time and we're like, all right. Do you want us to go play basketball?

But again, like everybody breaking down the field because they see. see themselves in us and we don't see ourselves as anything. We don't see ourselves as the voice of this or the voice of that. And like Trent and I, you know, we were doing like a local San Diego news hit and they're asking us about like us and who we are and what we were doing there. And both of us were sort of afterwards like, I don't know. Yeah. I literally said to you, I don't think they're going to use any part of mine because I didn't

say anything because I don't know what I am. I'm a fan. I'm a fan. And if that's interesting, then so be it. but like I'm not going to break down everything. Like I just want, I'm just going to exist at this golf tournament as a fan. And it clearly there is a market for that.

The only people that are going to get mad at us for being fans are the Jeff Shackleford's of the world and the guys named Todd on Twitter who are angry at the world that they're still fucking like selling shoes, like in the fucking south or something. And they should be fucking, they should be in our position and they should be on the golf course. You're going to get a couple of haters here and there for being fanboys with our access. but that is who we are. I'll never stop being a gig.

So this is going to all go back to Lurch's original point. I will never stop the nervous, giggly energy around Rory Macquarie. If that makes us never get Rory, then you know what? We're never going to get Rory because I'm never changing. I'll be 50 years old and I'll still be shaking. Act like you've been there before. I hate that. I hate when people say act like you've been there before.

Act like I've been where before? In front of Tiger Woods as he walks off the 18th Green at the fucking President's Cup in Australia. Now, I've never been here before. Agreed. And I think that there will, like, the day that we change what we're going to say about somebody, because now they're not going to come or work with us, as like, that's the day we're not who we are. And that's the day that we're not. Yeah, we pretty much die. Four plate die.

So, yeah, I mean, that's just what we're going to be. I can't stay on that response either. When we react to something, we have knee-jerk reactions. it gets put into a social clip. Shout Jake Bass. Usually like the one thing we don't want it to be a social clip. It's unbelievable. But it goes out and then a lot of the reaction is like, well, say goodbye to ever working with this guy.

And it's like, okay, well, just fucking, then like, if we don't say that, then say goodbye to us. Like, we just won't. We're just never doing what we do because otherwise we're just exactly like everyone else. So, yeah, the answer pretty much all week when we were asked, like, oh, what are you guys trying to get done out here this week, Roy? I don't know. I'm just kind of here. I have a pass. I'm observing everything,

and we'll just see what happens. That's pretty much our game plan. And usually pretty cool stuff happens, and we're trying to showcase what it's like to be in there, but we don't have much of a game plan. And yeah, we're nervous and shit the whole time. We were at the PGA, and I was with Tret. I think I said to people that they were probably really important people.

They're like, well, what's you guys playing? I was like, we're just going to try and be around people and get it on video. I was like people really like that. They really like that shit. True. Like that's what everyone does in sports. I mean, that's the plan. Like, you're, when you're a kid and you're at a baseball game, you try and sneak down to the lower, the lower bowl and you try and get close to the dugout or like before the game at a hockey game, you go down to the, you try and get around the people.

That's like what you just want to do. You want to be around. But you know what? You know what the mind fuck is? The mind fuck for old man media is that they get less when the guy is standing in front of a USGA back. There's a microphone in front of his face. They get way less than we get just standing around and interacting and talking to these guys. And we have one of our guys holding a phone.

The guys are way more normal. They give way more cool and relaxed dancers because when you have them up against the screen and a microphone in front of their face, they're just like, oh, yeah, I'm going to try to play well. And, you know, hoping for a good week, you know, grinding, taking it day by day. And it's like, but when we talk to them, we talk to them about anything we want. absolutely speaking of which we had frankly we had another just kind of tough Tommy flea wood run in where uh and it was everyone did what they're supposed to be doing but yeah he was walking by us and somebody said like good luck Tommy and he just kind of looked over to give a very token

like thank you and then he noticed us and was like oh boys and came walking over and we were like what's up? And he immediately, he was like, how's that bunker game doing? Because, like, we had done the bunker, you know, a video with him. And he, like, shook my hand, shook Trent's hand. And then he looked at Jake Bass to shake his hand. And Jake Bass was just like this with the phone right in his face. And he was immediately like, oh, God, like, this is not at all what I wanted. And kind of, like, awkwardly shook Jake Bass's hand. Jake, like, didn't really know what to do with the phone. And Tommy literally continued to talk to us while being, like, this.

Yes. I hope everything, hope that's going great. That is an exact depiction of what happened. He did the, yeah, he started, yeah,

he's still giving you answers, but clearly moving in a completely different direction. And it was just like, that's going to happen sometimes. But like you said, Riggs, everyone was doing their jobs. We were, Jake Bass was doing the right thing.

It was Tommy just didn't want to be on camera in that moment, which is fine. Tommy Flewitt comes over is like, where's that like dinky little piece of shit Frankie or something or something that, that's like what Maddie Fitz does. You got to get it on. video so you can't capture it you have to capture it we need to come up with maybe those little glasses that came out from google we just got to like just film at all times that feels illegal yeah

another does i think got to know they're on film because i i said to him like uh what triangle of love or something like that earlier on and then i believe i think um but like if we're not telling people that we're filming we're gonna that's not a path we should go down another thing that we didn't get because he snuck up on us and chirped me about kevin kisner's uh the drive I hit was Bubba Watson. Bubba Watson came up behind me and just like tapped me on the shoulder. And I turned around when nobody knew what was happening. And he started giving me shit about Kizz's driver and how he would not let me hit his driver because he didn't want a dummy mark on it.

No way. Yes. He was crazy. Like we were like, who's this guy bothering us right now? We looked at it. It was just Bubba Watson was chirping Trent was like, you know, that's why I'll never let you touch my driver. I saw what have a kid's or something. We didn't have any cameras anywhere.

Nobody even knew he was there. And then he just kind of like, like, it. It was like right next to the range. Jesus. It was like this awkward. I mean, it wasn't even awkward. No. It was hilarious.

But we just didn't capture it. Like he was just. That's amazing. He just walked away. So that's why Jake had to, you know, he's got to be doing what he's doing. But, yeah, a little, a little, that's how the sausage is made. It's like, we just don't really know what we're doing. And we're trying to capture stuff with cell phones.

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DJ's not going to play. Patton's not going to play. Usay's is not going to play. Matthew Fitzpatrick's not going to play. Lee Westwood, Adam Scott, and Sergio Garcia are all names that have announced that they are not going to play. Rory will play. But, you know, I guess, like, I was thinking about, oh, my God, it's the Olympics, right? It's the Olympics and, like, the rings, and it's so cool you get a medal.

You play for your country, it's the best. But really, if a lot of the big names aren't playing, like, how many people have to not play for the like winning the Olympic gold medal to just not be considered that impressive. Yeah, I mean, I definitely see both sides of it where it is a huge honor. It's the Olympics. You hear about the Olympics growing up. You watch them. It's a huge deal.

You know, playing for your country. But yeah, it's also a big commitment. It's a big commitment. It's a lot to do. It's something that you maybe weren't planning on doing. And then it's you kind of got to make a decision on whether or not you want to do it. It might throw off all the things that you were maybe going to do. I actually, I'm fine with the guys that it's more than okay.

If you play, that's great. You want to play for your country. But if you don't want to play, I'm not going to, you know, criticize you for not wanting to play in the Olympics. That's kind of what I follow. I'm not going to criticize you, but I'm kind of surprised. Like, whenever we talk to these guys about what's their greatest moments in golf, it seems to be like 90% or more say, oh, when I played the team event,

whether it's a president's cup or the Ryder Cup. So I always think that, you know, playing for a team for a country always means just more to these guys. So I'd think that it would prioritize a little bit higher than what we're seeing. But yeah, it is a big commitment, obviously, especially in times like this now. So, but yeah, just a little surprising to me. I just thought it would be like that once in a lifetime type of play for your country. Yeah, play for your country is big. And I'm sure that that's the number one factor that guys think about the most when making the decision.

But ultimately, it seems like a lot of guys are just saying I'd rather just stay to my regular schedule, what I was going to do. I'm just not going to play in the Olympics, which is fine. Yeah, it might be just because, like, that childhood dream of the Olympics wasn't there for them. You know, where, like, the Ryder Cup president's Cups was. But I would love to see them do it selfishly, obviously, from a viewer standpoint, but then also to, like, build that history within the Olympics for golf. So it's a tough one. I wish that they would do it, but obviously, you know, you can't force them to it. And whoever does when it obviously takes home an Olympic gold, which is...

It's just a huge miss that they don't have a team aspect to it. It's just an individual competition. You just have a flag next to your name, which is cool. But like the rider... You know, and Sergio basically said in his statement, he's like, my goal is the Rider Cup. He's like, I want to qualify for the Ryder Cup team. That is my goal. And I cannot, like, focus on my European tour, kind of like,

point standings, my FedEx Cup point standings, and the Ryder Cup, and go all the way across the country or across the world to the Olympics. Like, I just can't do all of that. So I have to prioritize the Ryder Cup means more to me than like the Olympics. And I guess, you know, what I was thinking about was, you know, if you're a swimmer, right, like all of the best swimmers in the world are at the Olympics trying to win the gold medal, that is the biggest thing that you can win. If you are a runner, like all of the best runners, sprinters, pull the, in the world, are there and they're trying to win the gold medal that's the biggest thing they can win in golf like not all the biggest best players in the world are there this is not the biggest thing in golf that you can

win so for them it starts to lose it's lesser it's almost like people like each person that pulls out it actually makes the golf Olympic competition I think less meaningful to every other person because we talk all of that about like the field and how tough the field was and the difficulty and if you just beat, like, not that hard of a field. How meaningful is that gold medal now? Like, it's almost like you just, like, you're just there for the rings, but like, you didn't really, so it just gets a little bit tricky for them. And the fact that it's in Tokyo, it's all the way across the world, I'm with Trent.

Like, I just think, yeah, it makes a lot of sense that guys aren't going to play. It stinks, because it'd be cool. But I think it's just kind of a miss that there's not a team, like more of a compelling team aspect to it because I think that would drive guys to want to play. Like, I think in the wall. Walker Cup and in the Ryder Cup, yeah, they talk about the playing for their country and how important that is it is, but it's almost like playing for your teammates is, is the biggest driver. It's like you don't want to let that guy down next to you.

You don't want to let your captain down. Whereas in this, you're just competing as an individual that maybe could win it for your country at the end, but when they're out there, it's like them and their caddy, like it always is. Gold medal would be sick, though. Would be sick. I guess it falls more on just the people that have set it up, and it should just be better. Like if there was no rider, if there was no rider, it just should

be better. If there was no Rider Cup, these guys. If there was no rider cup, they'd all just be flying to Tokyo, right? Like, that's a given fact. The Ryder Cup. No, no, like Louis U.S. stays in. He doesn't play in the Ryder Cup, but he's not playing. Yeah, true. But you'd get big fucking names

that there was no Rider Cup, like, this year. I think so. I think you'd get bigger names for sure. I think you'd get DJ. I think you'd get, like, Fitzpatrick. I think you'd get Westwood. And I think yeah, you would probably get these guys. But instead, you're just not going to. Yeah, I think it just needs to be better.

All right. From the gallery. We got a few good from the galleries that we're going to get to. Matt says, who will be the best player in golf over the next five years? I listed just the current top 10, which is on everybody's list, but it goes John Rom, Ron, Dustin Johnson, Justin Thomas, Kalamorikawa, Zander Scha, Bryson DeShambo, Patrick Cantlay, Brooks Kevka, Patrick Reed, and Roy McElroy. Those are your top 10 in the world right now.

I imagine almost everybody's going to say John Romer at this point. I'm going to say Colin Morikawa. I was going to say Morikawa. Wow. Really? You know, five years... He just did a whole show about how he can't buy it. He has like the yips, put it.

Five years is a really interesting number, though. That kind of puts you in a box. That makes me... Like, if you had said... They're both so young. Well, if you had said 10 years, I'm definitely saying Colin Morikawa. Even though John Rom's only 26 and Moriqo is 24, I just think, like, Colin has the longevity and he's just going to have it for longer. But five years makes it interesting.

I still would like to say Colin Morikawa, but you're probably going to be right if you say John Rom. It's tricky. It's hard. I mean, look, those names are hard. It's not crazy to think that, like, Roy McElroy could just catch fire again for the next two, three, four years and absolutely Dobbin. Nate, but I mean, he's a little bit older now. Like, he's not old, but he's in his low 30s. Like, DJ's in his high 30s, and you start to look at this.

And, yeah, I mean, I guess Morikawa, I could understand if you really factored in complacency that we've seen in guys, right? Like, getting super rich now and making a ton of money and how that just makes you more complacent in life. It would actually be psychotic if it didn't. And, like, Morikawa is going to have more of these next five years where he's going to, you know, by that measure probably be a little bit hungrier throughout the whole thing because he's young he hasn't quite gotten to that level yet he hasn't like but he is already a major champion he's already won a bunch of times on tour but i i mean i'm it's probably recancy bias but i think i got to go with john rom he's number one ranked player in the world he seems to have insane fire like his fist pumps at the end there

were a guy that's just a machine that wants to keep winning um so yeah i'm gonna say i'm gonna go out on the shortest limb on the planet. And I'm going to say John Rob. You know who might honestly be the best bet outside of, well, I would even include all the guys in the list that we put, is Justin Thomas. Right. That's my mind went right to JT.

I was like he's going to be the best player. He's 28. And for the next five years. And then the other person actually was Sanjay Ann. I think he is phenomenal. But again, we're splitting hairs. We have no idea. Again, we're a golf podcast.

We don't know anything about the golf swing. But if I was going to go on just a guess, it'd be JT or M. Sun J.M. Wow. Stunning. You don't like that victim, Frank? It's a stunning.

It's a stunning top five player for the next five years. Oh, there it is. He's going to dominate the tour. San J.M. will be. So, yeah, what's the question then? Who's going to hold the number one ranking for the most time? Who's going to be the best? Or in five years, who is the best player?

who will be the best player in golf over the next five years over the next five years who will reign supreme over the pgat j t you say sun jm no no no no no no no j t will reign supreme he'll dominate next five years of golf he'll be considered the best player in five years son jm will be the best player in the world also incorrect but sure i think both i think you're wrong on both i think you have to be wrong on both and that's no i mean it is disrespect to sun jm but also just like there's a ton of really good guys who are just proving themselves to be better than Sun J.M. Right now. There's also kids out there that are 18 that we don't even really know about.

Even more to our point. Well, I mean, you're, no, no, because I'm saying one person, you just selected somebody as well. So, like, you're wrong to. Well, like, I'm picking the guys that are just better than him right now to just continue to be better than him. And then you can even factor in people that we don't even know yet that could just be better than him. And your percentages go way down as we continue to talk. We do have to put respect on John Robb's name at some point. I do, at least.

Like, I have to, the guy just delivers, and it's hard to not pick that guy. Is it's, I've been rooting, I've been betting against him on the Barstles Sportsbook almost every single, every single major, and he just shoves it up my hoop. Is the reason we're not talking about Bryson at all, because we don't think it'll last? Oh, Bryson, yeah, he's a fad. Yeah. He's a fad, man. I agree with that.

too, I think he's too much of a roller coaster. Like he's always chasing stuff, right? Like I don't, sure. Bryson will never get to a point where he's like, okay, I've achieved this level of game and I'm just going to dominate with this game. He's always going crazy. And when you're changing shit constantly, you're going through it now, Trent. Like, he's just going to be too inconsistent, I think.

Yeah. No, I agree with that. Can't lay. He lacks what all the greats have. And it's that consistency of, of just showing up being the same person and just dominating. Right. Like he doesn't have that. aspect in him at all. The Tiger Woods, I'm going to show up with my game and it's going to be good enough to beat you every single day of the week.

Bryson DiCimbo does not have that. He does interviews walking from the range of the putting green about how the only reason why he's going to do good tomorrow is because he had some sort of dream about some sort of feeling about some sort of like whatever. It's just that's not a winner mentality. I know he's won. He won the US Open last year. There's just he can't, he cannot be consistent. And I'd be, you know what? Prove me wrong, Bryson. That's fine. I'm sure that you'll write on. our Instagram story or something that you're pissed that we're talking bad about you. But it's the truth. You just don't have the consistency to do it. You've proven it.

He's proven it. We're allowed to have those thoughts about it. He's trying to take the inconsistency out of golf and in that way he becomes less consistent because he's just trying to get a handle on something that is seemingly impossible to get a handle on. My favorite is when he does those interviews and he says something that's so complex

and he's like, that's the only thing we have to work on tomorrow. Like he'll be like, oh, the face angle was just a degree off, and that's something that we'll correct tomorrow. As if it's as easy as that. As if it's as easy as, oh, we now have identified what is wrong and we will correct it tomorrow. Like he said that on Saturday. Sunday, the guy shot at like a 46th on the back night at the U.S. Open. So, I mean, it's not that easy, Bryson. It's not in a fucking book.

It's not. You can't just say a number or a degree and be like, well, now we're going to fix it tomorrow. All is good. I agree. It is preposterous, and that's, I think, the reason that none of us think he's going to be the best over the next five years. I think he'll probably win some. Probably win another major two, but I don't know that he'll be the best over the next five years. Brooks Kepka, we've got to give a shout out to him, by the way.

His last 15 major championships, I know we've talked a lot about everybody's highlighted that he just shows up for the majors. Yeah, he did win the waste management this year, so he's won some other tournaments. But his ability to just show up in majors is fucking psychotic. Like, his, his, his last 15 majors, okay, I'm going to go backwards from, from the U.S. Open that finished this week. He finished tied for fourth, tied for second, cut, tied for 29th, tied for seventh, tied for fourth, second, first, tied for second, first, tied for 39, first. Jesus, dude. What is that? That's his last time.

What is that? What makes him, I don't know if it's an answerable question. What makes him that good in majors? It's amazing, man. I think it's his mental capacity. It's like he's just like, he has such an insane belief in himself

where I think that's honestly his biggest competitive advantage. And some of those, he was like considerably hurt. Like it's, yeah, he's been on a hell of a run where somehow he, he drives it straight,

hit screens and regulations, and pots well, it's just like he does what makes golf easy. Remember when we interviewed him on this show? He broke it down very, like succinctly where at the end of it, he was like, I just cut out,

he was like 50% of the field just can't win. And then another 20 of those guys don't have the mental or the confidence that I have. And at the end of it, there were like 15 guys that he had to beat in his head at majors. And I think that's a big part of it. It has to be. Yeah, I think so too.

And, you know, it's also, I think we've learned the times gone on since that interview. They're like, that's just kind of a little bit of Brooks Kebka and how he talks. Yeah. But, yeah, I think that that's true. And even, like, Kiz has kind of talked about that a little bit from a totally different angle. But, you know, I remember telling him a couple of years ago, like, dude, you've been playing well at Augusta. You were like, you finished like, you know, 21st or something last year. And he was like, Riggs, there's like 30 guys in the field.

And he was like, like, that's pathetic. Like, if you don't finish top 15, you're horrible that week. And I was like, what are you talking about? He's like, well, 15 of them are like 80. And he's like, and then there's another five or 10 that are like amateurs. And then there's like 15, 20 guys that have no chance in majors. That's like that 50% that Brooks said he has no chance. And he's like, now you're down to like 30 guys.

So, okay, I beat like 10 guys. It's great. So I think that it's that. is, you know, thought about by more people than just Brooks Kepka, but still, like, on the biggest stage where it matters the most, and golf is a game where, like, when you're nervous and it means a lot, it's the hardest to kind of perform, and it's a static sport you're standing there. Like, his ability to constantly perform really, really well with majors and just show up on the

leaderboard, it's fucking amazing. Like, we don't see that. It's amazing. It is amazing. It's preposterous. he's been able to accomplish. And it's got to be his mental, his mental, like, approach to them.

I want to not believe it when he said it. I thought it was a very cocky thing, but he clearly just gets ready for majors more than other tournaments. It's very evident. I think so, too. I think that's probably a big part of it, which is weird that he doesn't just focus on every tournament, but I guess, like, you kind of prioritize and pick your life and do what you want.

He's doing really well in major championships. So he's just going to be a name now. I think you have to bet him. And he mentioned, like, somebody messaged us and was like, is Dustin Johnson a top 10 or 15, like, player of all time? And he has, like, 20-something wins, and he's won, like, every year over the last, like, 15 seasons, whatever the hell those stats are. But he's only got, like, two majors.

And I was like, well, I mean, you only won two majors. Like, that doesn't, I don't know, like, that doesn't really get you in that top. And then I was just thinking, like, dude, Brooks Kepka has four fucking majors. Four? That's ridiculous. He's got the same lot of majors as Rory McElroy. And we all looked at Rory seven years ago. Like he was going to be a top five player in the history of the game.

And Brooks Kepka has the same lot of majors as he does. It just doesn't make any sense. And those majors happen like that. They just happened. Like he had none and then he had four in a very, very short amount of time. Very short. And since then, he's got a few second place finishes. He's got a fourth.

He's got a seventh. He's got a fourth. Like he's just been right there all the time. So clearly you got to think he's going to win a lot more. So, you know, I don't know that necessarily means I think he's going to be the most dominant player over the next five years because he doesn't care about other tournaments apparently. But he's just, I just had to give a shout out to that because I was looking at those numbers. And they're amazing.

This is also amazing, truly hard seltzer. I got the new, this is the tropical punch right here, which is, I mean, that can's pretty sexy. But truly, clearly, obviously came on as the title sponsor for the Barstow Classic a few years ago. it's kind of taken the golf world by storm as people are realizing that it's actually nice to have a very refreshing, delicious beverage on the golf course that's got 16 different flavors

and adds to your experience instead of just shoving the same crap down your throat. You've got a lot of different options. You've got a lot of different variety. And I like, hand up, I like things that taste nice and a little bit fruity. I just enjoy those things.

There's nothing wrong with that. I got a bunch of fruit punch. Yeah, I got a bunch of fruit punch trullies at my apartment that are delicious. Yeah, nothing wrong with that, especially in the summer, you know, I think people are, you know, it's very soft of them to be like, oh, you're going to drink a fruity drink? Is that going to come with a cherry on it?

It's like, you goddamn right. I hope so. I might ask for one. Might ask for two. Might ask for two. I used to rip down Shirley Temples when I was again. I had no problem jumping into that area of drink. I got the Shirley Temple King coming to Borrelis tomorrow.

We're like, this little kid, this little kid, he's called the Shirley Temple. Oh, you have that guy? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Great some. Yeah, we did a pizza review with him back in the day. He's coming to Borrelli's, and, yeah, we're like scrambling to find good cherries now. My dad's like, my dad's so busy. He's like, I got to worry about the Shirley Temple King coming.

I got to get strong. I got to get freaking the right grenadine. We're like, we're like stressing about the Shirley Temple King Leo to come. But yeah, nothing wrong with a little fruity drink in the summer. I love Trulies. I got a stack of them in my room right now. Whenever I go on the golf course, pack the cooler, go right to the course. It's no problem.

Whether you're out on the course, whether you're at a bar, whether you're on a beach, or maybe you're just relaxing at home, you go home from work, open up that fridge, grab yourself a truly, watch the game. They're delicious, so big thanks to truly hard seltzer. Bright says, if you're standing on the 16th T at Torrey Pines for the U.S. Open with a four-shot lead and everyone else is in the clubhouse, do you think you could close it out?

Four-shot lead, 16th T? So you got the part three that was like 225, and then you've got 17, which is where the... Louis hit it into the shit. And then 18 is obviously about a 570 yard. Not even close. Nope. Lose it on 17.

I mean, we did it. Just count our strokes up. Like, whatever we made, we'd like, that's what it was. And like none of us would have made it. Because 18 is a disaster. 17 was a disaster. And 16 was a disaster for Moe. I want to say I think I went bogey, bogey double, which would mean I would have been tied

and go into a playoff against one of the better players in the world. And that's a zero pressure. But that's a four-stroke lead on 16. Everybody's making Birdie on 18 like you lose. No, everyone else in the clubhouse. Oh, everybody else in the clubhouse. You got to read the things, Lurch. Well, how do I read them if you don't share them?

You just read them to us then. I emailed them there in the email. Oh, I haven't seen the email. It's the one next to the Axon one. This should be good. No, it's a different inbox. That's a different inbox. Oh, okay.

Okay, got you. I mean, I'm a no, obviously, but, but yeah, no, that's tough. That'd be tough. I'm trying to, I'm not trying to skim through the YouTube video now to see, like, I haven't shot. Look, I think obviously the odds are no, but I think that, like, one in something I could actually do it. Like, one in three or four times.

You just got a bogey, like, you got a bogey 16. I think, like, if you know, if I knew, standing on that T. All right, you have a four-shot lead. I don't think it's crazy that I could find a way to make a four on 16, like just hit it up short, chip one, leave yourself an uphill putt, 17, like just spray it way right, hit one up there short, hit a wedge in the middle of the green, two putt.

Like, clearly those things are not as easy as I'm saying. Like, you could just play to wedge over the green and the whole tournament's over. But I don't think it's that crazy because that's kind of how I played the course the whole time and shot like 89 or whatever was just like purposely bogey, every hole. So I don't think it's that crazy. But yeah, obviously with all the pressure you're staying on the 6th and T's Open, I would fail way more often than I would do it, but I don't think it's crazy that I could do it. Skimming through our YouTube video, one thing that we have to add, I just did it as a viewer. We have to add our scorecard at the end, even if it's digital.

Because I think that'd be a cool thing for people to be able to skip to the end and see exactly what we shot on that hole. Definitely. Yeah, it needs to be added. Definitely. We'll peek behind the curtain there for the editing team. That was just, you just said publicly on a podcast something that was meant for two people. Yes. I literally just, I was like, oh, I'd like to see the final score. But then they could argue that you have to watch a video to see it,

but I think once you see the video, that you then should be rewarded with a scorecard. Agreed. Cool. Very much agreed. I don't think I'd do it. I think I crumble like the crumbler I am. I think that's right.

Okay. I wonder what this next guest would, how he would address you as you crumbled what he would say to you, how he would get you to crumble, how he would mentally break you down, being just honest. He's just trying to get to the truth. He's not trying to break you down on anything that's not truthful, but I think that he would break all of us down. I'm looking forward to talking to this, man. We have a day before we interview him. I want to think of some interesting things to ask him, because I really like to get his take on the world, not just the restaurants, you know? Yeah, I agree. The world's very different since the last time we talked to him.

Very different. I'm actually interested. Go ahead. Well, yeah, he was coming up with that, that like humanless kitchen in Atlanta when we were talking to him where it was like a whole thing. It was all these robots pushing out food and it was like a germ-free kitchen. So I wonder how that's going. And if he thinks that the world is back because remember he was pretty, it wasn't like dark and gloomy, but he was like, it's going to take a while before people like accept going to restaurants again, which I agree with. But I think we've seen more positivity than we were expecting from. the world. So we'll see. Maybe he's in a really good spot

mentally. Yeah, I feel like he too, he had a little bit of like there's going to be a massive explosion of people going out and the world like reopening again. So now that I just don't know that it happened that fast. Although it wasn't a while ago that we talked to him. We talked to him pretty deep. When did we have him on like last fall or something? But I do if I could be recalling this incorrectly, but I do think he talked about how we were going to see like maybe 50% of restaurants and bars

going away before we saw we see what we're seeing now where people are excited to get out and go back to restaurants. I think we may not be as knowledgeable in it, but like I'm sure I think a lot of really high percentage of places closed down. You go down New York City and there are still fucking boarded up restaurants all down these streets. So I'm sure he has all the numbers. He's got all the numbers.

November, I'm hearing November 18th. So eight months ago. Okay. So a lot's happened since then. Seven months ago? world's changed dramatically. Like the vaccine didn't even exist back then. Nope. All right. Well, next up,

you know, the man, the myth, the legend, Mr. John Taffert. Hey, guys. Hey. Hey, John. How's it going? Good. How are you? Great. Doing great. What's up with you? How much? You guys don't look any older. Oh, good. I appreciate that.

It's always a pleasure to have you on the show. Always an honor. Thanks, guys. It's been a good year for golf. think. What do you think? Golf's been crazy good. The last, yeah, last like year and a half. You hate to say it, but the pandemic's been great for golf. It's just been kind of one of the few things that people have been able to do the whole time.

Yeah, and I have friends that run several courses, and they were telling me how new golfers is a pretty big, good trend right now. It's a new people getting into golf, which is great to see. It is. I know a lot of those places are trying to figure out how to keep them. You know, you got to, like, make sure that once everything returns a little bit more normal like how do you how do you hold them you know yeah yeah it's funny i went and i played golf at win here in las vegas eight 10 months ago during the pandemic and it was remarkable the amount

of people involved in getting me to the green that had somebody who actually lifted the flag out of the because you can't touch the flags you can't touch anything and it was unbelievable the amount of people around us to keep the experience safe but they were sold out and they were the whole time so anyway it's good to see guys you know when you look at golf you're pretty young in that space and so much of golf is seniors. And it's caused an erosion of the game, but it's nice to see your generation really getting excited about golf again. Yeah, I mean, I appreciate that.

I agree. And it's tough, too, because a lot of the outlets, a lot of the places you go to get kind of content are people talking about golf or older. So if you're in your 20s or 30s and you're trying to really get into the game, and you're like, well, am I supposed to be in this? Because everybody's, you know, 50, 60s, or whatever it is,

and you're kind of, you feel uncomfortable, and you're not sure that you're crowd, So I think that's fortunately worked in our favor, which is not, it wasn't like a calculation. We just kind of got lucky with that. So guys, you're the hippest show in golf. We'll take that. We're very excited. It feels pretty good.

Feels pretty good. So look, you've got, you've done seven seasons of our rescue now eight, the eight seasons out. It's different, you know. I was looking, watching, and it's obviously COVID has changed everything so dramatically. Talk a little bit about, you know, like the differences and sort of what you'll kind of. of uncovered, I guess, in season eight and how the world's changed, the restaurant industries change. Yeah, you know, it was really heavy was that, you know, for this past couple years, we've all talked about how the industry was impacted by COVID and stuff, but we never really

talked about how people were. And this season of Bar Rescue was really heavy for me, guys, because I saw how these people were impacted. For example, our 200th episode, I think it aired two weeks ago, family lost their house three days before I got there. And imagine this, frankly, they lost their house three days before to get the three kids under 12 or so are sleeping on a wooden floor above the restaurant. So I mean, devastating. And then other stories of employees losing their cars, losing their homes, moving in with each other, carpooling together. And, you know, people just sort of banded together to try to get through it. There was another owner who lost his house, ran up all his credit cards to keep his employees getting paid. They never missed a paycheck.

and then when he opened the 25% capacity, they robbed them, they stole it from. So they were so desperate that they still had a taste. So it's changed people, I think. You know, it's caused people that were honest, you know, to maybe push the line a little bit just so they could pay their rent. You know, it's caused people to come through for each other, I think.

But I think the one thing that I learned out of this more than anything, and I bet you guys agree with me on this. This whole COVID experience has taught us how much we need each other, man. you know how much our friends mean to us how much time even on a golf course means to us with friends you know we miss that stuff how much each of our safety means to us you know you guys have a responsibility today we all do if i'm sick i shouldn't go out and get other people sick i mean so we've learned so much about our responsibilities to each other and and how much we all mean to each other this i think that that's dare i say the good part of this right it's definitely brought

people and families closer together. Maybe you haven't seen someone in a long time. And you just don't take things for granted like we used to, right? Like seeing something as simple as seeing a family member that you used to just, you know, act like, oh, I'll just see them at a birthday or whatever. That birthday didn't come because you weren't allowed to leave the house or that event that you had scheduled, that wedding had to get postponed. And when you finally do see them, it puts things in perspective for sure.

So there definitely were positives and negatives coming out of this. But yeah, I was reading what happened in that 200th episode. but it really just moved me because, you know, I experienced a little bit of that with my own family restaurant. And, you know, just for months and months and months, just complete nothingness. And it sucks for these people because they didn't do anything wrong. You know, the restaurant was doing well.

You know, they were doing everything they had to do. And all of a sudden, an outside force tells them, no, you can't have people inside. So it is a sad thing, but it's great to see, you know, people like you getting people back on their feet and promoting it and helping out. Yeah. I think the other big lesson, guys, is this is local politics.

All these decisions that hurt these businesses and stuff were primarily made by local politicians. And, you know, we all think the national guys are so important to us. We learn that local elections mean a lot this year. And I think we're going to look at that stuff a little differently next time around. Especially, because, you know, we travel a lot for work. So we're in different counties. I know you do too.

We're in different counties, different states every week. And, you know, everything's different. Everybody's approach is different. Every story you go into is different. The employees are wearing a mask. Everybody's wearing a mask. You drive, you know, five miles over to a different county. Nobody's wearing a mask.

Everybody's different. So you're right. And I think people just take that stuff for granted that, I mean, not to get too deep, but a family firefighters already went to war. So we had like the rights to be able to choose who makes those decisions. And I think that we take a lot of things for granted. And I think that's one of them for sure. Yeah.

They asked me to do a PSA commercial. My network did the other day. you know, for the vaccine, which I'm all fine doing. And they asked me to pull up my sleeve, put a band-aid on my arm and say that I got the vaccine for and to give a reason, right? Well, in my case, I got the vaccine selfishly because I don't want to be sick, obviously. But I got the vaccine for my family too, you know, and I got the vaccine for the people I work with too. And it's interesting. You know, this is a bigger decision than just us, I think, is the point that we make.

Yeah. So we all. So I want you guys to ask me my greatest golf experience. My greatest golf story, if you will. My greatest golf moment. All right. You got to ask me, and then I'll tell you. This has to be good.

So please give me your greatest golf experience. Please. My greatest, well, my greatest two moments in the golf course. The first is negative. I used to run a hotel in upstate New York called Grossinger's, and we had three and nine whole golf courses. And the G was a famous course of ours. We had the New York State open there.

It was a great golf course. And the golf pro lived on the other side of the property. And I would take a golf cart to his house a night. One night we drank a whole bottle of Johnny Walker together. And on the way home from his house, I had to drive through the golf course to get to my house. And it was dark and it was raining. I couldn't see. And I drove the cart right into the lake.

And that was my worst golf story. And I was created about that. But probably my greatest overall golf experience is the week I got to spend with John Daly when he shot Bar Rescue with me years ago. And I got to tell you, hanging out with John for four to five days with something else, man. and I still, on my bar, I still have a bottle of John Bailey signed by him. And I always found it interesting that Arnold Palmer's drink is lemonade, of course, lemonade and iced tea mixed, right? John Daly's drink is Arnold Palmer's drink with vodka,

which defines John perfectly. But guys, it was an incredible experience to hang out with him for a week. And, you know, to me, he is one of the shining lights in golf from an entertainment standpoint. point in a personality. Were you able to keep up with him or what? Because he, once he's going, he's gone. Yeah, he's unbelievable. But he's a really dynamic. I mean, he's funny. He's articulate. But when he sits down in a bar to drink, it's serious business for him. He's getting him messing around. It seems like he can play. It's almost like he needs it to get better, right? Like, I've seen videos of him and he's ripping drinks. He's got the, he's got the vodka next time. He's

got everything. And he's continuously just playing great golf. Like, it doesn't affect him at all. You know, I think that he thinks that, and he said this in roundabout ways, that golf to him is more natural than a skill set. Yeah. And he doesn't want to overanalyze and he doesn't want to overdo it. And you see it. He walks up there and he just sort of hits the freaking ball. And I think that he's, he's one of those guys who doesn't overanalyze what he does.

He just goes out there and does it. It's great. It's great. Would you say that your natural ability is more like problem solving or communicating and allowing people to learn how to, solve that problem. You know, that's a really good question. I think that, you know, years ago, I started doing public speaking. And now I've given thousands of speeches all over the world over the past 30 years or so. I think probably the greatest asset I have is my ability to communicate with people.

But that opens up a lot of doors, though, because I, because I can communicate with you and show a little empathy and compassion when I do, you then open up to me. Now that you're opening up to me, your problems wind up on the table and son of a gun maybe i can help with them and after 30 years of me talking to people and people opening up to me and their problems hitting the table then i started getting good at saving the problems right of solving the problems but it all started with communication skills and when i do bar rescue as you know because you were there buddy you know i don't wear any pieces nobody tells me what to say you know none of it is scripted or fake and you know it's great because you saw it so so you know it firsthand but i'm good at that because you're good at that because

because I have strings of words in my head that I've used so often, you know, as a public speaker. And when I give speeches and I do it all the time, that's one I gave, it was about 3,000 or 4,000 people in accounting convention. I don't have notes. Right. You know, I go out there and I just do it out of my head. So I think communication is the most important thing for all of us in life. You know, if we communicate well as a coach, as a husband, as a wife, as a father, you know,

as a buddy. It's a powerful tool. Yeah, I was going to say that it's, it's amazing because, you know, we were actually, we were talking about it on the show before we had you on about kind of, you know, your history, your career, how we're all familiar with what you do by, by watching Paramount, watching the show, but that it's the communication and your ability, you know, like, none of it works if you don't have the communication in order to convince a restaurant owner or a manager that what you're telling them is actually good for them, like you need to be able to communicate because if you if you come off the opposite someone's going to build a wall right and they're going to reject what you're saying and that's true through everything whether you're a

politician or you're a manager or you're a bartender or you're a blogger no matter what you do if you can communicate well you're going to it matters it's in relationships right like relationships people talk about communication all the time so so it's interesting to you know to hear you be um sort of self-reflective on that because it's true like your ability to communicate is it's clearly led to a ton of your success. And it's very inviting, right? Like when somebody communicates well like you do, it's exciting to talk to you.

It's exciting to hear you talk because when you communicate really well, you can be talking about anything and somebody's going to be interested. But it's how we communicate. For example, I'm older than you guys are. You know that. But when I come to New York and go to the bar stool building, I have a fucking blast with you guys when I'm there, right? And we've all seen it.

I become much more like you when I'm around. you. You know, I'll curse more. I'll be a little, maybe, you know, a little looser, a little different. But then I leave you guys and I go to Fox. And now I'm sitting at the desk and Portnoy's a little bit this way also, right? Where he'll go crazy on social and then on Fox. He's, you know, he's disrespectful. So it's interesting. We manipulate how we communicate. Sometimes I need to communicate in a hipper way. Sometimes I have to communicate in a more sophisticated way, sometimes in a more intelligent way. But the important thing, thing is that if you communicate well, it becomes multi-generational.

Because if you communicate really well when you're young, you can establish a lot of credibility with those that are older than you. Make sense? Yeah. And when you're older, if you're really good at communicating, you can still connect with younger people because they're still relatable to you and you're exposed enough and you understand their words and their phrases and what they do, et cetera. So I think it is the most important thing that we have in life. And the last thing you want, guys, is to get to be 60 years old and be so uncool that you're unrelatable to anyone who's 25.

That sucks. Right. That's one thing. It's important that we keep on open mind. One thing Dave says is one of the things he's most proud of is that he's been able to be, like, cool for 20 years, right? Multiple decades. So as his original fan base has gotten older, he's been able to still be cool with them

and the younger kids now. And I mean, you're experiencing it as well. I mean, eight seasons of Bar Rescue. I mean, people are legitimately growing up with that. Like, it's something that you're not just. appealing to that same people eight years ago you have new people now that are watching it and new age groups and new demographics so it's pretty impressive and it's something that and the only reason i want to ask you that's because i know a lot of people that listen to the show you know they're

young golfers and we have a pretty young fan base and a lot of kids are still in school and college and i always wonder like we're lucky enough to not to deal with any of that stuff we kind of just fire off the hip and especially me i dropped out of college i wasn't really i don't have you know the communication skills and i always wonder like what is the most important thing for a kid growing up Like, what should he do? And I look at someone like you, it's like, if you have the communication skills, you can talk about anything and you can get far in life. Like, I bet if we put any topic in front of you, you can convincingly tell us about that topic, even if you're not an expert in it, just because of the way you deliver it. And that's really impressive to me.

So you should have had a list of topics when I come on. I know. I come on, guys. Give me a list of topics that are freaking bizarre and force me to talk about it. That'd be a funny segment. Yeah. Well, all right. We always talk about the solar system and how we're just on a floating,

planet and space. That thing, that always blows our freaking minds. I know our listeners are probably like, ah, here he goes again. Frankie really with space. But it's something that just blows my freaking mind, man. Me too, buddy. How about this? Time has no beginning. Here we go. See what I'm saying? And it has no end. I mean, that's just

infathomable. Space has no boundary. So when you think about no beginning, no end, physically or from a timestamp, I'm with you, Frankie. It blows my fucking mind. That may be the one down. It broke. Right. I was going to say. I may I pick the one topic that there's no definitive answer, so that was actually a bad one.

Shit. But no, it is, you know, I like the point about how you change the way you communicate based on where you are. You know, I had a buddy in college who's from, I believe it was like Mount Jolie, Quebec. And he had a bunch of buddies, and it's very French-Canadian. And they came down and visited New York one summer, and we were all in college. We all went out. And they speak French and, like, they speak a little bit of English, but very French. And by like halfway through the weekend, my buddy was laughing.

Then like, I was Frenchifying every word that I said. And I was any sentence in French that I knew, I was speaking. And he was dying because by the end of it, he's like, every, everything I said was a little bit of a French, like, twang and accent. And I was mingling. And that's just who you're adapting. Yeah. You're adapting. You were communicating as you thought they wanted you to.

Right. Exactly. And it wasn't like a, I wasn't standing there being like, okay, rig, speak a little bit French now. You're just like, you're just doing it. You're kind of bouncing around. Like when we run into our guy, Kevin Kisner, who's from Aiken, South Carolina, and he's like Southern. Like, we're all trying to, like, talk a little bit more Southern and, like, with, you know,

Southern lexicon and words. And you just, you don't do it on purpose, but you realize that you're sort of like a chameleon in that, in that sense. And you're kind of doing whatever, because you just want to communicate well and be comfortable in conversation with everyone. and I do think it's very subconscious, but I wonder like how everybody obviously does that differently, but I think doing that well,

you're right, is a really important skill. You know what else does? This is interesting. I think you agree with this, Trent, is that makes you a nice guy, believe it or not, because you cared enough about the people that you were with, that you adapted yourself to make them comfortable. That means inherently you're a good guy.

Now, if you had a completely different attitude about that, you know, fuck them and blah, blah, blah, then you know, sort of an arrogant guy. You know, you're not a very sensitive guy to the needs of the people around you. So it's interesting that you say that because that's great communication, but it also defines you as a man in a sense. You know what I'm saying? You care enough about the people around you to adapt to make them feel good. And, you know, that's a really great skill. That in of itself is a basis for success. Because if you make your bosses feel that way and your audience feel that way and your friends feel

that way, that's how you build a great life. So I mean that. And it's really more than just communicating. It defines you as a man. And that's really cool. You're the same way, Frankie. You know, I've got a chance to spend time with you. You know, it's about respecting the people around us, you know,

and making them feel good about being with us. And some of us care about that. Some of us don't. Yeah. Yeah. And you can apply that to golf as well. And whenever we go to an uptight, like, you know, tighten your collar type of country club,

we definitely communicate and act differently as opposed to when we're at the local municipal golf course with our buddies, right? That's something that us as a podcast, we try and break that barrier. I don't think that golf should always be like that. I do love the history and the class of golf, but at some point, like, if I have to step on eggshells and I can't say certain things because, you know, that's not the right way to speak at a country club. That always just irks me a little bit because I think golf should be a little bit more for everybody as opposed to so exclusive. And snobby. And snobby.

Yeah, it's so snobby sometimes. And it's something that we just need to change. Like luckily, like we were saying, it's crazy to say luckily, but golf really came back because of the pandemic, like the actual playing. Now the clubs got hurt because people weren't having weddings and they weren't ordering from the restaurants and stuff. But the play like doubled. We've talked to superintendents that are like, you know, our jobs were double the amount of work this year because we have double the amount of play. But before that, it was getting way too snobby. being way too exclusive. You know, golf really needed something like this where you had to go out

and play. It sucks because I don't like being in a place like that. And I know the guys on the podcast hate being in places like that. We'd rather go play at the municipal golf course for 20 bucks and bring our, you know, bring our beers and our, uh, coolers. Well, that's what golf should be. Golf should be exactly what you want it to be when you're out here. Right. Right. You shouldn't have to play by the rules of that deep. Okay, guys, I got a question for you. How much free golf shit do you get? A lot. So you guys get to see all the new stuff. I used to own a sports bar in California,

and I had a soft deal with Mizuno, and they would send me all the new golf equipment and they had some great stuff. And Barry Bonds, the baseball player, was my partner in this restaurant. I've heard of him, yeah. And I could offer Barry $25,000 to come to the restaurant to do an appearance for me, and he'd say no.

But if I had that new Mizuno driver, come for that. I used to use all my Mizuno stuff. stuff to get celebrities to come to my restaurants all the time. It's so true. Right now we're dealing with that with Taylor Made. Taylor Made, we're exclusive with Taylor Made. And I mean, they are exploding.

It's not that they needed us necessarily. They're a really good company, but we've really ramped up like the Sim 2 and all their new drivers. And now they're just like, I've got professional athletes being like, I'm trying to order a Sim 2 and it's saying 2022 arrival date. Like, can you get me on? I'm like, I'll see if I can message someone over there. And all of a sudden, I'm the cool guys.

guy in the group grabbing people drivers and stuff. So yeah, it is, it is funny how golf clubs really, really get people to come. I mean, I talk with the Taylor-Mate guys quite a bit about it too, and they, you know, they've got all these celebrities. I'm in Scottsdale, L.A. is pretty close. And they've got all these celebrities that they know that they work with. And they say the exact same thing. Like, these guys have, you know, millions of dollars. You go look at their contracts from their movies, their shows, their concert tours, whatever it is. And they're like, they will, if they can get like a free set of irons or a new driver, they will fly across from L.A. to Scottsdale, meet the guy and go through all of it.

And they're just like you're spending more in your fucking flights than you are. But they live for free golf stuff. People love it. So we're, yeah, we're some of the luckier people in the world, I think. It's also golf is advancing so much with regard to fit of clubs, I think, and the technologies of fitting and customization. And, you know, I think technology has really hit golf very strong, particularly in the past five years or so.

And so, for example, how old is the driver that you use, Frank? Is it a brand new model or is it a driver that you've used for years? A couple months old. I mean, it's still got the shiny marks on it from the factory. I mean, that's what I'm saying, guys, years ago, you would have used the same driver for years. Today, technology creates a need to get that next tailor made, right? Because, you know, it is considerably different than the last one. They've done a great job.

There's actually a huge debate right now in golf. between like manufacturers and the actual people running the game with the distance, right? So they're saying that manufacturers are ramping up these drivers and these irons and these wedges so that the ball can be hit further because I, and you may agree with me, I think longer sells, right? Home runs in baseball sell. There's a reason why the steroid era was the steroid era because guys were hitting 80 home, 70 home runs a year and Mike, Mark McGuire, Sammy Sosa, Barry Bonds.

That was cool. Now people love the 400-yard drives by Bryson D. We want to be bigger, faster, stronger. Cars are more expensive when they go faster. That's just the way it works. And manufacturers are running with this, but golf is saying, well, now we're running out of land. And you're ruining the way, you're ruining golf courses, right? Like this bunker was put there at Augusta National so that you hit it into it and guys are not hitting over it.

So it's a funny back and forth that actually is really taking golf by storm right now. So I'm guessing new golf course design is considering the longer shots of balls, I guess, right? They have to. And it's interesting. Because golf loves tradition and old school and history. And if you outdate a lot of these courses, and a lot of it's, like Frankie said, there's a bunker. You can just hit it over now. And instead of having to make the decision on a par five, you got like a, you got a three wood in your hands and there's a creek.

Well, now you've got a wedge in your hands and there's no real decision. It's like you're just hitting a wedge in the middle of green. So it is a huge point of contention in golf. It's sort of a shame in a way. It is. But it's also, it's tough because it affects like 1% of 1% of 1% of. 1% really, which is the best golfers the world. Like me and Frankie, we need

more help. Like we're going to be the most technological advances for the next hundred years and we are like 99% of golfers. So it's tricky in that when you watch on TV, they want to dial it back so that it makes it a little bit more compelling because those guys can hit it so far. But we can't hit it so far. Like we're, you know, that technology helps us,

but we need it to keep getting better and better. So it's a very tricky spot. Do you think the technology that causes you to hit farther requires more accuracy in the swing and the hit? Is it tougher to use to get that distance? In theory, yeah, that is the issue. But I think that's the beauty of the technology. And like something like with the SIM, too,

the reason we use the new one was just because it went farther and straighter. And that's really, really rare. And now with the technology, John, it got it so dialed in that, you know, if you have the wrong shaft or the wrong club head or the wrong loft, Like for your club, you'll actually hit it like shit, but you use the same club. They just tweak a couple things, and now it's more curated for you and your game, and all of a sudden you hit it straight and longer. So the technology, if you get it right now, is just awesome.

And like Frankie's saying, like with the home runs, with cars, with golf, farther and straighter, I think is better for the game overall forever. I think so too. I think so, too. Just puts a little more pressure on a short game, which isn't so bad. Yeah, right? That's never too good for us. Touchy subject, no point, no pun.

Yeah. Speaking of technology, I was just on the golf course today. And I was looking for my freaking golf ball in the fescue. And I'm like, we all know it's here. It's here. We just couldn't find it. How in the year 2021 have we not invented an app that can somehow trace or track the golf ball? I mean, I understand that it would take a lot more technology in the golf ball.

The balls would be super expensive if you chipped them. But why can't we have anything that maybe finds the rubber in the ball? or something, right? Like, someone invent something. Like, I'll pay for it. It's got to be something that can track just golf balls. You don't need to put chips in them. Maybe it tracks the paint or something.

I don't know how technology works. I don't know how inventions work. But you know what I'm saying, John? I do. That's a problem that, I mean, that thing would be bought in every single golf bag. But imagine if it tracked velocity and spin and in essence gave you a whole data report on that shot. See, now this is what I mean. Like, the balls need to be.

trackable. Now, they do have some stuff. They have a trackman that goes to the app, but that's a $20,000 piece of technology. It tracks the spin, the length, and all of that. Here's the issue. It does it with a camera. It does it with a camera. No, it actually does it. It's like a laser sensor that just picks up the spin on the ball and everything and gives you all the information because, right, it just works backwards. Like if a ball is spinning a certain way, it had to have been struck like XYZ, you know, because that's what it. Cause it. Right. Cause an effect. Yeah. My, my theory and all that, Frankie, is. is that the golf ball manufacturers who would advance the golf ball on all that,

they want you to keep paying $45, $50, $60 for a dozen balls every time you go play golf. So it's not in their benefit. If you can just hold one golf ball basically for a month that you never lose, then it gets really. I get that. I understand that. I got the solution, guys. I license Frankie the ball for X amount of dollars a month.

Right? And you pay to least the ball. When a ball is broken, you send or, chipped or whatever, you send it back to me, and I send you a new one on the lease program. Okay, there we go. A monthly payment for golf balls. John, so I got to tell you something, I got to ask your opinion on something that happened to me yesterday twice at restaurants for the first time.

First time this has ever happened to me. So I go to breakfast, a nice breakfast place right by my apartment. I go in there quite a bit. I order an ice coffee, a water, and then I order some food, so they hand me my place setting. And I get up to go to the restroom, come back. I was eating alone and everything was gone. They had taken everything away. And I'd never had that happen ever.

Clearly it was just like a mix-up. They thought I had like left, whatever. And I, they got brought everything back. It was fine. Well, then it happened to me again last night. I go, there's like a little bar restaurant that I go do quite a bit. And I went in there by myself, sat at the bar, ordered dinner. And I had like a beer and a water and a little plate of like half food.

And I go to the bathroom, we'd come back. Everything was gone. That had never happened to me in my life, but happened twice in the same day. Boy, that would make me feel insignificant. It did, it did. I got to tell you, buddy, in all my years, I've never had somebody say that to me. And the fact that it happened to you twice, it's like getting hit by lightning twice. I mean, that just doesn't statistically happen.

How long were you in the bathroom? It just went to piss. So it wasn't even like a whole ordeal. I was gone for maybe two, three minutes, Max, washed my hands, obviously, for 20 seconds. Wow. Did you leave anything at the table? a hat or anything like that? Nothing there.

So clearly they thought this guy left. They're trying to be quick and... But you didn't pay your check? No, neither one, neither case. So they thought you were a walkout. So not only were you insignificant, they thought you were a complete dirt bag. They looked at this guy and he said,

this guy walked out on us and didn't pay, Frankie. It's crazy. Twice. It's absolutely crazy. So I wonder, is one of your faces more honest than the other? I got to tell you, buddy. obviously great man and now i know i got it's it's it's it's it's fucked up i never heard of that before i mean that's just crazy you know it was it was there a way to get in no neither one was a way it was

totally it was just like it's yeah two normal restaurants next time we've got or something in a seat i guess yeah i guess i have to it was and again i thought when it happened the first time too it was a bit of a crowded restaurant and i was at like a small little two-sater two-seater and there's families and stuff around. So when I came back, I was looking around like, I'm a crazy person, like which table was mine? I couldn't because there was like five empty tables with nothing on top of them. Wow. And that was one of them. So did they give you your food back? So yeah, the, the, both cases, they poured me a fresh new coffee, you know, brand new like water. I hadn't gotten my food yet at the breakfast spot. And then last night, they gave me a whole new beard,

asked me if I wanted another like appetizer that was having. I was like, no, I was pretty much done with anyways, no problem. But they did give me a brand new beer, and I was probably two-thirds of the way through it. So, yeah, it was bizarre. If that happens again, we need to do a scientific study of your aura. Right, right, right. They're like giving off something that says,

just trying to get this guy out of here. Ricky, how many pizza reviews have you done now? What are you guys up to? How many? We're over a thousand, but, you know, recently, um, we've built a little team where I've been able to do the golf stuff. And I've kind of trained my guy, Austin now does a lot of the editing. And Dave is now traveling, so he'll have other people film them.

So we have kind of like a team as opposed to it was just me and Dave. But we're over a thousand, way over a thousand now. It's incredible. He never stops, Dave. He just does not stop doing pizza reviews. And he never should. It's unbelievable. You're still one of our favorite guests of all time.

I mean, the smell of the pizza box has never been matched. I always loved what I said to him. What is a honeycomb? And he goes, honeycomb. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's an all-time guest appearance. You know what? You know what? Always blows my mind when people, and this has nothing to do with pizza reviews, but when people like own like a thing, right? Like someone like, when you see something, you think of one person. And for you, it's like restaurant logistics and, and restaurant like experience. Like whenever something happens, like what would John Taffer say with this? I do this in my restaurant all the time. That's got to feel pretty good that you own that space, right? Because there's famous chefs and there's people that you relate to restaurants with. But you own that space.

You dominate it. That's yours. When something happens, it's you. I'll tell you what I'm really proud of. And I've never said this in a microphone or on camera ever before because it's something I've spotted kept to myself. I think one should have some humility. There's a company called Media Sync that evaluates celebrities across the country. And they evaluate them in like intelligence and trust and appeal and likability and all that kind of stuff.

and the networks use these reports. They're called e-reports. And for the past four to five years, I've scored in a whole culinary space, I've scored number one in intelligence and number one in trustworthiness for the past five years of anybody in the culinary space. But I was always number two in influence until this year.

And this year when a report came out about a month ago, I hit number one in influence, number one in trustworthiness, and number one in intelligence. That doesn't mean I'm the smartest. It just means that I'm thought of as the smartest. But, man, I've got to tell you guys, something like, and I've never said this publicly before,

I can't tell you how good something like that feels. Oh, yeah. To think that people are influenced by my opinion, that they trust what I say. And, you know, I'm really proud of that. But, you know, Dave and I share something, and that's authenticity, Portland, Illinois, and I. And, you know, we're friends,

and we go back a long time to the first blog, whatever it was. Blog Rescue, yeah. Which is a lot of fun. Yeah. But, you know, authenticity is key. And people can't know some fake version of you. They really need to know you. And it's interesting, we were talking about communications before.

And talking to young people and old people and, you know, how you act on a golf course. It's still you. It's still authentically you. Even though you were talking French and do that, it's still you. So authenticity is the key in this business. And I'm fortunate that I've been able, that I'm enough of an asshole to fight the networks and the production people around me that sometimes want you to be

unauthentic. Yeah. But yet I just won't do that. It's really difficult to say no to that. And that's really, you know, it takes a lot of courage because you have to own it then, right? It's like that's, you have to say, like, I'm going to be me

and it's going to work. Like, trust me. And it works. You know, production companies, they want to know exactly what you got to. You know, Taffer's going to take this. He's going to turn it into that. He's going to do.

And I don't know what I'm going to do until I get there. You learn that, Frank. And we want that. That's the thing that blew my mind the most. It's like, how do they know this is going to be a good episode? You know? They're counting on me to make it one. Right.

Like, how do they know it's going to be fixed? There's no, you're not, there's no acting. It's legitimately a bad restaurant turned into a good. It's, it's stunning. It's stunning. But that's that authenticity that I'm talking about. You know, I go at it to do that, not to make a TV show. I go out it to fix the damn place and, you know, to address the people.

And I sort of think the cameras are along for the ride. But my point is this. You know, I think you guys are great And I think the show is great And I listen to you guys pretty often You're authentic You are who you are And that's a great asset guys

Don't never lose that We just talked about this Actually on this episode Prior to you coming on About how, you know Some people were like Are you know You're very giddy around

Professional golfers And you kind of act like fan boys And do you still get nervous When you talk to players And I said I never want to lose that No matter how long Listen I'm only 27 and I still think meeting famous people is really cool.

Maybe that'll change at some point, but I never really want to lose that feeling of seeing Tiger Woods and getting nervous and shaking and seeing someone and wanting to give them a high five. Like I feel like that's how people relate to us. That's our authenticity is us. We are fan boys. I bought tickets to go to golf tournaments just four years ago,

and now we get to get credentials to go into them. But the only difference there is the thing hanging around my neck. One I bought and the other one I got handed. I don't ever want to change the way I perceive that tournament. or take it in, you know what I mean? Or take your excitement, you know, there's a thrill to all of that. Who cares? Like, I'm not out there writing in a journal.

I'm just out there to experience it. Yeah, yeah. It's the truth. It's all about authenticity, guys. Yeah. Can't fake it today. No, you can't. And I think that's really hard to, you know, you've been on TV,

you're in the public eye all the time and to kind of maintain that authenticity and to be trustworthy, right? And it's very, very difficult to do. There's people got cameras, phones, tweet, tweet net, you posted on Instagram constantly and to kind of maintain that over, you know, 10, 20 years, Dave's done it. We try to do it. We look at kind of somebody like you that's done at that industry.

It's like, man, it is, it is valuable to stay authentic, stay true to yourself and not try to just bend and break and do what people want you to do, but do what you think you should. You know what he's done too? You haven't just helped the restaurants that you've actually helped, like where you've gone, but you've implemented and implanted in restaurant owners' minds what you would think, without you even being there. I've seen it at my own restaurant. The other day, I'm sitting at the bar, and I don't work there anymore.

I used to manage a place, and I used to run it like I wanted it to be run. Ran. And I'm seeing people walk in, and no one knew where the hostess was. Our hostess is to the left. The host of the restaurant is you have to make a left, and then there she is with all the menus and the list. And I'm looking at the first group walks in. They kind of look around, like, where am I supposed to go? The second group walks in.

I said, Dad, at what point are you going to change the system? so that when they walk in, they see the host of the restaurant. I said, John Tapper would walk in here, and he'd rip you to fucking shreds. Like, you're making your customers confused. They have no idea where to walk. You're expecting them to know where to walk. And I'm yelling at him. And he's like, you're right.

So that we changed it. We moved it all around. And now she's greeted when you walk in. And I think you do that across the country, to be honest. All right. I'm going to say this publicly in your show. You know, I love you, Frankie. You and I have known each other a few years.

Yes. Next trip, I am going to come to your family restaurant. I'm going to walk in on your father. and I'm going to lay in on them. Oh, my God. And I promise you this publicly. That's been a dream of mine, and my dad's probably, since for eight years since we've been watching Barr Rescue.

So, yes, please, I need it. I need it just to sleep at night. That place needs to be, we need a little bit of John Taffer in there. We need it. So I think you need to make a bit of the podcast, right? So we'll set up a mic in a room, and I'll just walk in and I'll go at him, and I'll bust them on all this kind of stuff, Frankie.

And then when I walk out, you can look at your father with a smile and say, I told you so. There we go. That's so good. He'll love it. He'll, he is your biggest fan. He sits there, watches every show, so that'll be awesome. That's great. I just committed, buddy, so next trip in, I'll reach out to you and we'll make it happen. Okay, I love it. Well, John, we appreciate it. We appreciate the time, as always. Keep doing, you know, keep doing it. Keep being authentic. Keep being you. Keep saving bars and restaurants, and we got to do Borrellys. We got to get you to Borrellys.

and talk to Mr. We'll do a podcast from there, maybe. Let's do that. It'd be great, guys. I'm in. That'll be a lot of fun. Listen, guys. I love you guys.

I love talking to you. I'll come back anytime. All right, season eight. It's on Paramount Network. Congratulations. Bar Rescue. Congrats on everything. Thanks, guys.

And we'll see you soon. Thank you. Good to see you guys. Bobby. Take care. Bye-bye.