Fore Play - Keith Mitchell & Daniel Berger

Episode Date: February 3, 2022

Two guests. Keith Mitchell (00:04:55) describes being paired with and witnessing a magical Tiger Woods display, hot food spots on Tour, and the difficulties of the 12th at Augusta vs the 17th at Sawgrass. Daniel Berger (01:16:09) details alternate shot Ryder Cup matches with Brooks, winning at Pebble Beach, and his noticibly strong gluteus maximus.You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

Hey, 4Play listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Foreplay presented by Barstool Sports. We have two guests on this show. Two great interviews with golfers, PJ Tour winners. We have Keith Mitchell first, and then we have Daniel Berger, who's the defending champion at Pebble Beach this week. So boom, we're just cranking interviews lately, to be honest with you. I think coming up very soon next week, we're going to have a.

an expert, a doctor in the art of basically the yips and neurological issues that translate to sports, which I don't know why we would have that on. I don't know if that's relevant to anyone or anything here. But point is we got two big interviews here. Colt was awesome on Tuesday's show. If you haven't seen that, go check it out. And then we got Keith Mitchell and Daniel Brigger on this show, interview, interview, interview. Reminder to go subscribe to our YouTube channel. We're putting all of our hard work, our sweat, our tears. We got eBug, Jake Bass, working really hard. Everybody's working really hard. Putting these videos together, putting them out, putting them on YouTube. So if you subscribe, please subscribe to our YouTube channel for Play Golf. And then you're going to get hit

all the time with really cool videos that you're going to enjoy. Yeah. And there's something happened with the last one where like didn't get into the algorithm that it was like a copyright claim because of some sort of language that I use or something. I don't know. I think I said something about squirting and it stopped. Like basically the, the, the, right. final episode something the algorithm stream got stopped for a second there was like a claim on the video now it's been cleared so now it's back into like wherever it goes on youtube youtube algorithm's a fucking crazy place i don't know how it works i don't know how it operates but if you fuck it up for one second you lose your stream we're at like 100 000 views that video at band and dune should have

400 000 views that's how good of a match it is that's how good of a golf course it is go watch it if you haven't seen it pop up on your like next suggested videos that's because something happen to the video it happens every now and again and then again i'm going to plug the disney episode is a fantastic fantastic episode wholesome it's just wholesome it's funny it's great it's us off the golf course it's stuff that we want to start doing more when we do the travel series we want to start doing more stuff off the golf course and incorporate all the things you can do in the towns and the cities and we're starting to do that a lot disney was like everything encapsulated with that um so yeah i uh the youtube page is in a good place and then keep an eye open trent and i

I are, we have not forgotten about it. We've been traveling a lot. We are going to do the whole in one challenge on PGA Tour 2K. We're going to donate all the money that goes into the super chat on YouTube. We're going to donate all the money to the first T program. We've already raised about $2,000 that's just sitting in this little bank account on YouTube. It hasn't gone anywhere. We're going to do it. We're going to try and raise as much money as we possibly can, and we're not going to stop until we get a hole in one. That is coming up very soon on whenever I get back, right? Like, we're just going to do that whenever we're get back. Yep, I'm in.

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This is a million dollar challenge. This is Cisco, Pebble Beach, Saturday, February 5th, CBS, 12 p.m. Eastern Standard Time. The million dollar hole in one challenge. Do you think somebody gets one? I don't think someone gets one. I think it's impossible. And Trent and I also, we participated in this. We went to a simulator and we participated in it.

And to me, in my brain, I think that we came the closest that anyone was going to come because we came within two feet. It's an incredibly hard hole to do it on. So I have my doubts. Well, tune in. Okay. CBS. A million dollar hole in one challenge for charity, presented by Cisco. Saturday, February 5th on CBS.

Speaking of Cisco, here's our good friend Keith Mitchell. We got about an hour with him. We got 30 or 40 minutes with Daniel Berger. Enjoyed the show. Wow. I didn't tighten mine. Oh, no one can tell Riggs that you didn't tighten yours.

It looks like a helmet. Thank you. Riggs looks like when the pitchers in baseball wear those extra big hats, the guy on the fucking Phillies used to do that. I feel like it was a couple years ago. He was like experimenting a hell. helmet, a helmet hat, and it just looks so ridiculous.

It looks like a child. It's just going to fall down over his eyes and he can walk into a wall. It's like, you can't. Cisco, baby. Can you do a visor guy? When did you become a visor guy? I've actually, I've always been a visor guy. And it was until Nike when they made a really shitty visor that I had to wear the big ass flatbook. because I have such a big head.

So once I didn't have to wear that anymore, I decided to go back to the game. What percentage of people you guys think wear visors? More than you think. I'm going 15? 15% of golfers wear visors, you think? Yeah. Sounds about right.

15 feels like a good number. I'm going to say lower than that. Yeah. I'm going to go south. I'll tell you this. Are we talking about all golfers? I'm the only visors. only visor guy and my whole group of friends, I think.

Yeah. Lurch. One year, Lurch's our captain, he got us visors as the squad, and we all looked absolutely ridiculous. But I'll also see that. I got everybody in huge. About every two years, we probably sell visors in the store, and we sell none of them.

What store talking about? Barstool Sports store. Like online or like in New York? Because this is a southern thing. Online. It might be a little more Southern. That's probably a good point. And y'all are, I mean, what's your demographic?

You've got to be like 75% northern, right? We're getting a little more national. We're starting to bleed out there. Listen, you need a certain type of, you need a certain type of head structure. You need a big head. You need to be able, because like, it looks good on you. I don't know if it looks good on you or I'm used to you wearing it.

Like Lurch, I'm used to him wearing it. Riggs looks like he needs to go to the hospital. And I look like I just, I look back to doing the else. I absolutely have a tea time on the LPGA. You look like it. It gets wire. No. No, I look like a woman visor.

That's fine. I have a feminine face. I definitely look like a female right now. There's no doubt about it. I mean, it's unbelievable. Every time he pops up on the screen talking, I just start dying laughing. It's not a good fit, man.

What are you do? I'll try to do this bubble. Fahe a bitts we're fucking doing here with the Cisco thing. There's so much space, dude, over here. All right. We got Keith Mitchell. We're in the middle of the interview, by the way. Where are you at?

Where are you coming at from? I'm literally at Pebble Beach. Like, it's, we're in the midst of it. Who you stay? Yeah. So, yeah, staying in a buddy's house from Dallas. And it's right above the golf course. Absolutely amazing.

and the weather, it looks perfect this week, which honestly, one of the biggest down players of the AT&T week is the weather can be terrible. I mean, you've seen hail delays out here. You've seen, you know, 45 and rain and sideways this week. This weather looks absolutely perfect. Kiz always complains about the weather, your fellow bulldog. He complains about everything.

That's true. But he always, he's always. out there and like he's always got like the long underarm or long sleep underarm or long sleep underarm or he's just freezing out there he looks miserable it can be that way for sure but this week it looks like it's going to be in the 60s every day it's going to be sunny and when you're when the weather's good and you're walking around pebble beach i don't think there's a better place in the world to play golf where does pebble rank for you all-time golf courses definitely top five well what is your top five could you rattle off the top of your head

Yeah, I got an emotional hedge on one of them. The course I grew up, the honors course in Chattanooga, Tennessee, it's one of my absolute favorites. So there's obviously some emotion in that one, but that's okay. It's my top five, not the world's top five. The new course in Cobb Town, Georgia, a hoopy match club, I don't know if you boys have been there, but it's so cool because there is literally no pars on any of the holes.

And so there's a lot of holes that are anywhere between, like, 250 and 300 yards, which is like kind of an odd distance, right? It's too easy per far, par four, but too hard per par three. So a lot of holes like that, and they have like a 650-yard hole that they call like a par five and a half because it takes literally three monster shots to get there. So just that whole kind of fresh design I loved. I love going to play Sweetens Cove up in, up in Chattanooga. I'll say that's a top five experience.

Let's put it that way. I don't want to say top five, actually a golf course because it's only nine holes, but top five experience. And then I'll put, I mean, would I be killed if I didn't say

Augusta National up here? Yes, I think so. I think you get a bullet right to the head. Can we cut the stream? We hit the stream if you didn't say, Augustine. Somebody in a green jacket shoots you from those trees behind you. They come out of nowhere,

and you're just done. I mean, it's crazy. So I would definitely put that there. And I've fortunately got to experience the fun side of it and then the tournament side. And both of them are equally as awesome. So I think that might be five or four. Yeah. I really like that list because, you know, even for us, like we're always picking just the big name ones,

band and dunes, pebble beach. Like the list goes on and on. You're picking a lot of different fresh idea golf courses, which is pretty refreshing for us to hear that you like that different style of golf now. And I'm sure that makes sense because of how much golf you play and how much, you know, formal golf you're playing on all these courses. So that's pretty cool to hear. It's because tournament golf is one thing, right?

It's a test of golf. It's T to Green, who shoots the lowest round. So when I'm not in a tournament, I'm looking to have fun playing golf and not trying to do the same stuff. So that's why I think Sweden's in the hoopie are so much fun for me to take initially a golf trip to just to enjoy the game as something that's not work. Often you take like golf trips, not like a work trip, but to go actually just play golf with the boys. I would probably say two or three times a year.

And I would say those are usually a one-night trip, two-day place. And it's, I let's put it with this way. My golf is pretty terrible on those. Like you can't handicap me on those trips, because I could shoot 65 or 78. That's how I was going to say. I bet you can light it up sometimes, too. You get, like, right at that.

You know, like we always talk about, like, beer pong. It's like a bell curve where you go up and then you're just at the top and you're rolling and then you just come crashing down. I bet at the top of that curve when you're just playing fun golf, I bet you can light it up. My curve is like this. It's like nothing, nothing, nothing. And then as soon as you have your first sip, it goes like this. You get worse when you drink?

It's so much worse. It's not even I'm so bad. Well, well, think about how good he is when he's not drinking. Like we're terrible all the time,

so we're always trying to fix something. And maybe when we're a little bit more relaxed, we drink a little bit more, maybe we play a little bit better. It cannot be the same for a guy like Keith. He is as good as he is, sober, and then anything else is probably going to be worse. Ask,

ask Patrick Mahomes if he's better of drinking playing football. Right. All right. Tush. That's fair point. What's your favorite bar on tour? You got a good favorite bar? Wow.

You know, this is the first time I've been asked that question. That's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, I mean, honest, I hate to say it's honestly, we're not looking for them, right? We're not necessarily, say, hey, where's the cool bar this week? Because we are grinding. We are, we show up on Monday, practice round Tuesday, pro in Wednesday, and Wednesday in the tournament. So the best way to describe it, what's your favorite place to miss the cut? Right.

Yes, which nowhere. But if I had to, I would say, I would say, I mean, Liberty National is pretty great to miss the cut because you're in downtown. Yeah, it just becomes a city, like which is just the best city, basically. Right, right, which I haven't been. But this past year, we had Sunday canceled because of that tropical storm. Yeah, that's right. We had Sunday canceled on Saturday. I had like a fun night on on Saturday in New York.

We went to, we went to a great dinner, went to a little jazz bar afterwards, and we didn't have anything to do Sunday. We couldn't go to the golf course. It was absolutely raining sideways and blowing. So that was, that was honestly a fun time because I've been to New York plenty of times for fun. And I got to, you know, be able to go enjoy fun dinner and go to a little jazz bar for that was awesome. It would be fun to find the little places that, like, when you go to these tour stops that

you always want to go back to, I'm experiencing that right now with, um, you know, We're here at Tori. We're in Carlsbad right now. And a bunch of the guys were saying that this little sushi spot right by Tori, Ken sushi, you know about it? Oh, yeah. It's just like every tour player goes there for sushi when they play Tori. And like, you walk into this place.

It's in a strip mall. You'd never know that it's the place to go for all these, like, extremely rich golfers that are, like, rolling in here. You walk into this place, guys. It's like, it's just every sushi place in every town you've ever. seen before and then apparently the food is out of this world and i wouldn't know because i walked in thinking you could just walk in and get a table and the lady laughed at me i was like yeah we're here for a table of four and she goes oh like what are you kidding me she's like we have reservations from

now until 11 o'clock in night and you're just like she went like this like shoot like goodbye like dustin johnson's rolling in there he's picking up fucking sushi to go to Dubai like you're hearing all these stories of how like they need to stock all their planes with all the ken sushi places so uh uh plates of food. So do you have your certain spots that you hit at certain tour stops that like you can't wait to get there? Honestly, I have lists. I literally have lists of all these restaurants because that is my, honestly, that's number one escape on tour because you get in such a monotonous routine sometimes where it's practice around, you know, work on your wedge game, hit your short game, pro am tournaments, and then you're out and you go to the next tournament.

That that is my like faun escape out here is finding those, not necessarily a hole in the walls, but just awesome restaurants. Anywhere from a burger joint to barbecue to like a crazy Italian or steakhouse. And it's got to the point now where, I mean, I'm making reservations months out because of places like Ken's and because we know our schedule for the entire year that we, you know, pick and choose and cherry pick them. And then always, always the fun night is Tuesday, Monday or Tuesday night.

Because we don't have the tournament on Thursday. So we'll usually save the big boys for Monday or Tuesday. And then, you know, depending on your tea time wave, it's like something quick, you know, just go grab and go and pick up to go and go back to the hotel room or the house. Or if you can actually sit down and have dinner. But Monday, Tuesdays, we hammer them out. Is that typical, like with tens where some people start going and then they all start going? Like, if you find a good spot, are you trying to keep it to yourself?

Or do you notice that players start rolling in each year at that good spot? it's it's it's it's it's definitely a shareable experience out here yeah some guys have been out here for so long that they've had like their spots and a new rookie who's never been to any of these cities before you know they get my go to chipotle five nights a week right because oh and so it's definitely it's it's and plus knowing that we know our schedule it's not like we're fighting each other for reservations we can just all go yeah But when we went to Australia, we just went to McDonald's three nights in a row. There was a dominoes across street. I went to twice while we were there. No, we were. Tough because, like, dude, we had the dominoes literally right across street and you'd order and go down there. And then they had this screen that had like the next five orders on it.

So you'd see like Frankie Trent were on the screen. It was tough. You're trying to hide from the boys. Just like, do you get two large pieces? yesterday by yourself. Bad, tough seed. I never really thought about the fact that you know your entire schedule for the year. Like we're,

we change our plans and book trips and where we're going to go for work like two days out. You just know your entire schedule for the year, like a year in advance. The only way that that changes is if you're on the cusp of getting in majors or not. And then that's four weeks a year. So I can tell you everywhere I'm going to be between now and September. that's crazy see that's wild it's kind of awesome i mean honestly yeah it's like in one way it's just so set you just know where you're going to be you can make these great plans for yourself

another way it's like i'm a robot here for the next year i just got to go and do my job and grind this thing out which is why we try to find the cool restaurants to to lighten it up a little bit you're tired of the travel the travel's insane you guys crazy rules are non-stop i don't i don't I don't mind going to different places. I mind, I mind commercial airline delays and no bags. Yeah. Okay.

That is, that is it. I mind the packing. Do you know how big our golf bags are and as much shit as we have to carry around? I mean, it takes forever to pack. Over 50 pounds every time, over 50 pounds every time you check it.

I'm trying not to get over 70. Oh, my God. Yeah. And so you have two 70-pound bags. Your backpack has your track man and stuff in it. So that's heavy. So you're carrying 140 pounds plus a 20-pound backpack through the airport. And, you know, people have their carry-ons and they're running around. And you're just like an elephant walking in the room.

People just part because they just don't want to get near your stuff. And then you have to throw it on the bag and like, oh, you know, can you get this under 50? I'm like, no. Here's my credit card. Get another way. or we're going to the place. And then lately, baggage has been crazy.

People have been losing bags left and right through Atlanta for some reason. Like, for example, I was on the way to Hawaii to get married, and my now-wife's wedding dress didn't make it for like two days because Delta didn't get the bags. And that wasn't stressful at all. Of course, my clubs made it. Stay out there at the altars with your clubs.

Like, yeah, I do. So, I mean, I don't mind the travel. I love going to different places. I love going to new experiences. You know, and every once in a while, you know, one of the big dogs lets you hop on their plane and go to the next place. It's awesome. Like you try to kind of lobby and hang around the right people and hope you get a little

invite? Honestly, Brant Snedeker was the best to me. He let me fly with him a couple times. And he was like, dude, I'm going there anyway. you know, you don't know me anything. I was a rookie. And he's like, I don't care. You know, he's already won the FedEx Cup.

Like, you know, whatever I would split him in the flight, like didn't make a big deal to him. So I didn't know what to do because I wanted to like pay him back and say thank you. And he said, do it for another rookie when they're in your shoes. And that is so awesome. And so anyway, I sent him a case of wine. But I still, Pat and Gassier and I were flying back from San Antonio. this year and we let grace and sig hop on and he was like what i owe you guys right now somebody did it for us in the past or doing it for you you just make sure you do it for somebody else down the

road and it's it's so cool and jordan speeth has done that uh for me once i'm already the last two holes of the dell my rookie year to get in the bmw and it was the labor day finish on monday so the tournament was on the tournament was on thursday but the pro end was on wednesday and i wasn't in the pro end. So I was going to have to fly the next day and not even get a practice round. It's like, get on, let's go, we'll land tonight and you have all day tomorrow to practice and play. So you guys are pretty awesome out here like that. Essentially have when people at Starbucks during the holiday season start buying the coffee for the guy behind them and then it just keeps going on, except on PJ Taurus of private jets.

Yeah. Same thing, but different. Same but different. Same but different. I got to tell you, Jimmy Walker clearly is not, uh, uh, of this because me and lurch saw him at a southwest terminal on saturday night he was in his full golf gear full golf gear with like a backpack and i think he was like uh number like b-16 to board southwest to like san antonio we were like what is what is he doing i think the only thing you changed was his golf shoes i think he literally just swapped out golf shoes for like dress shoes and off

he went i just walked by and i was like i think it's just jimmy walker right there and riggs lurch gave him like a Goofy like, hey, hey, how you doing? And he was like, hey, it was weird. How great would it be if you went through your metal spikes and then got into the metal detector and was like, oh, excuse me, sir. Oh, man. No, I flew up. I missed a cut in San Diego. And so I came up to Pebble early and I flew Alaska Airlines up here.

And my host that I'm staying with says, just make sure you don't land in Juneau because that's not very close. You play anywhere? You play anywhere the last couple days? I got to play Cyprus yesterday. Yeah, you did. Yeah. It was, and then after that, I did a little charity event at the new Hay course,

a little par three, which, by the way, so cool. And got to play with Clint Eastwood. And if I'm moving and talking and hitting balls like he is at 92, I mean, on. He's still moving out there. He's still getting those hips through the ball? Well, it's so funny. He said that on about the 14th hole.

He comes over and he's like, damn it, I haven't been moving my hips at all. And so he gets his hybrid about 110 yards. Next hole absolutely stripes it. And this thing comes off like a rocket, lands right next to the flag about 110, and just takes the biggest hop right over the green back in the hazard. and he turns around and looks at me, he goes,

did you see it? And I was like, oh, it was right at the flag. You know, we'll see where it ends up. And Colt Ford was in the group of front and threw it back. And it was like six feet from the hole. Like, damn, get shot. It's only six feet. When you're playing with Clint Eastwood, is it hard not to,

like when you're talking to him not to just keep thinking like that's Clint Eastwood? Because that's like, that's the only thing I'd be able to concentrate on. The way he talks, the way he is, he's 92. he's done at all. Like, I don't know if I'd be able to concentrate playing with Clint Eastwood. Well, thank goodness, it was a absolute hit and giggle. Like, we did not care, right? We were the par three tournament, scramble five-sum.

So that was the point. Like, we could do that. And so I was asking him about some times that he's actually playing the AT&T. And I was like, how many times have you made the cut? He said, I'm not really sure. Not many. I was always too focusing on partying during that week than playing golf. What a legend.

What a fucking legend. He's seen it all. He's 92. All of it. Reminder. Cisco's awesome. They are giving away a million dollars. A million dollar whole on one for charity presented by Cisco on Saturday.

February 5th, CBS, 12 p.m. Eastern. Trent and Frankie tried this. They came extremely close. Simulator try extremely close. How many, how many feet? Five? Yeah, I probably was five. I think there was something wrong at the simulator.

It looked like it was like a foot and a half. But yeah, it was five. Margined simulator air. Simulator air was basically in it. Yeah, when we're doing the gimmies, it was within the gimmie range. Oh, that's all that matters on the sim. Yeah, so yeah, I'm a real big fan of Cisco. I wonder what Cisco stands for.

And I don't know that I can get, you think Cisco stands for something? Or is that just the name? They based out of San Francisco? Oh, headquarters Wow. I don't know that's correct, but I really like that your brain went that direction. Did you say headquarters San Jose, Frankie?

Yeah. You might be on to something. Oh, Jake, just put it in there. Cisco is short for San Francisco. Cisco is short, the city where a Stanford computer scientist, Leonard Bosack, and Sandy Learner, founded the company in 1984.

That's why Cisco in the early days, BOSAC and Lerner insisted on branding its products with the lowercase Cisco. Wow, Trent, come on. Trent, Ryan. Good work. That is amazing. It's done.

Yeah, they're that brand name that you just know. You know what I mean? And when it comes to their technology, they're Silicon Valley. They're very much just, they're the reason why these companies take it to the next level. And we are happy to be on Cisco products. Cisco WebEx is a delightful little video terminal.

Whatever we're going to. As an official partner, the USDA, Cisco created the first ever connected course to keep fans connected and use WebEx by Cisco, which is what we are using, to revolutionize how media connect with fans. Again, tune in for the million dollar whole-on-one-one for charity presented by Cisco on Saturday, February 5th, CBS, 12 p.m. Eastern Standard Time.

When you played Cyprus, these boys have been able to experience it, And we always, that's one of those courses for us. You just look online and you look at the pictures and you can't believe that that place exists. Riggs and Lurch were lucky enough to play it. But we always hear about that 16th hole, that long par three. And like everyone talks about how it's like the hardest hole on the planet. And how do you attack that hole? Are you like really trying to, you know, is that an important hole for you to get Duncan so iconic?

Like are you really trying to, like what club are you using on that? Because I know Riggs says he could use a driver and still not make it there. well this i thought about this yesterday we're on 16 it reminds me of of a hoopy where if that was a par four it wouldn't people wouldn't think it was that hard right because you can just hit a seven iron over the side chip it up on the green or you could go for it and then two put for birdie but since it says par three it's like this is the hardest hole in the world because you're using it relative to par but all you're trying to do is make the lowest score on the hole it doesn't matter if it was a part six or seven. You're just trying to make the lowest score.

So that is a great example of what A Hoopie does so well is that it just takes part out of the equation, right? Just who makes the lowest score. But I'm not saying 16 shouldn't have a par. I think it's a great par three because yesterday I had to hit a five wood because the wind was off the right. It was like 140 and I absolutely smoked a five wood just to get it on a green. And the guy I was playing with all three of them hit drivers. So it, I always attacked a hole because I don't get to play it that often and I'm not playing a tournament. I want to be the guy that tried to make a, they made a hole in one on 16. So I mean, I don't, or the flag is, I'm taking it right at it.

If I hit in the water, I'll go to the next hole. Don't care. I'm just, that's all. We talked about it. Would you rather make a hole in one at 16 at Cyprus or a hole in one at 12 in Augusta? Wow. I'm going to say 16 at Cyprus. Yeah, if you're talking like difficulty and just in terms of,

No one does that. We're talking everything. Yeah. Well, 12 at Augusta, because that means I've played it, which would be off the charts. That's a good answer. That's a good answer. The fact that you guys, you idiots and mongaloids have played Cyprus is the reason why Augusta is the correct answer. Yeah, that's fair.

I also full driver there on 16 twice and left it way right both times. And I think it would have been both short. How about that motherfucking hole was that long a hundred years ago? Crazy. Yeah. It was the same whole 100 years ago. I mean, we're out there with these giant 460 C.C. heads. It's like they're designed technologically you can't miss.

And we're trying to hit the green with that thing. Like, what are you talking about 100 years ago? A little feather ball of hickory shaft. Impossible. We've had. Frankie, though. If you saw 16, though, too, there's like seals and shit. And like, it's, I mean, it's, I.

It's a fantasy. Don't do the, if you've seen six things. I know you've been there. Oh, if you just think about it. Try to imagine you can't because you've never been there, but try to imagine it. It's like it's I can't imagine the most insane golf course ever that I've been to three times. Be and Richard, we'll talk about it. We'll talk about it later.

We've had this debate at length, actually, and I've asked a couple of guys on the pod, a couple of guests, this exact question. What do you think? Which hole is easier to make a lower score on? 12 at Augusta or 17 at TPC? 17. Lower score, 17. Hmm. For the average golfer, right? So I'm stepping up there.

Worst wedge game on the planet. I have no idea where the next ball is going. You don't think for me I have much more room to hit that ball up there at 12 and make a lower score. I can hit into a bunker. I can blade it. I can thin it. I can chunk it. If I get the chunks at TPC sawgrass, I'm never getting the ball on that green.

You're not going to do it at 12 either. Thank you. Thank you. It's factual if there's more room for... Stop. Time out. Your argument is... First of all, it was to stop because it's wrong.

Because the green at 12th is a third of the size of 17. It has water in front. And behind the green is a bunch of azaleas. and you're not hitting out of Augusta National's azaleas. Not only can you not find it, you'll probably be escorted off the property, never be allowed back, okay? So it's a lot of sense right now, Keith,

over the green in the water, if you hit it over that green. So even if you add the bunkers in there, okay, even if you take the back edge of the back bunker and the front edge of the front bunker, it's still not bigger than the green at 17. And it's longer. A lot of sense.

Yeah, that's, and it's, that's a, that's a fronkey, it's sitting back in a seat, got nothing right now. His mind is spinning for an answer. That's the best argument we've had.

for our side of it. When I start, like, adjusting my Cisco little hat here, my visor, that's when you know I don't really have much more. All right, yeah, why don't you go ahead and argue with a tour player about which holds harder? I'm thinking visually, man, like, I can, there's a lot more chances for me to hit a poor shot and still be safe for my second shot than at Augustine. Why no? Why no?

Because you have azaleas behind the green, which might as well be water, because you're actually reteeing from a lost ball, okay? So you can't just go to the drop zone. Okay. So you can go to the drop zone if you hit it over the green on 17. You can't do that at 12. If you hit shore the green, it's still in the water. And then the edge from the azaleas,

so the edge of the water is still smaller than 17 in Augusta. And the holes 30 yards longer. Well, maybe not 30. Probably 15 yards longer. Yeah. 17 is a crampoline. Did you watch? The way those balls just bounce off that green into the water.

It's not, that's not typical. That's not typical, I don't think. That's no walk in the park, Trent. It's a gap wedge. Okay, I've hit seven iron into 12. 2019, five of the last six players who come through the last two groups who were playing the best golf on the planet

and the hardest tournament hit it in the water. I mean, when you step up to 12, what's your thought process? How are you deciding between a seven, a nine, and eight? Is it something your field? This is Matt Frankie's an idiot. Look how hard this hole is. After you think that.

Now we're talking about how hard it is after you said it was easier. Well, I also think 17's walking incredibly hard as well. Well, then you just need to go to the range and practice a little bit because 17's not that. 17's hard to make birdie on. It's always a good answer. It's hard to make birdie on. It's not hard to make par on. For a tour pro.

Yes, the average player can make a bigger number on 17, but I don't necessarily think that it's easier. Okay. You teetered on my side there for a second. You saw my eyebrows go up. You teetered on my side there for a second because we're talking out here. We're talking hacks out here, man. If I get the sprays at 17, you might as well, you might as well just pack me up right there because I'm never getting that thing on that little island.

Yeah, but there's a chance you'll never get it on the green at 12. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. The green is small. It's like a third of the size. You're just. Lurge, I can't, I can't laser one into that front bunker and just now, just, now just put one onto the green and now I'm putting as opposed to just you could do that on 17

you say you say laser that thing into the bunker yeah I mean if you're in the bunker on 17 I don't know I'm walking the park right like if you can hit that front bunker on 12 you could hit the green on 12 like the bunker thank you plenty small so just to think you're like oh I could totally just play in that front bunker get up and down it's like yeah you could totally do a lot of this things in life and you're just going to fail at them just again and again. 12, I would argue, if you get into a ball where it's past the pin and you're in that back bunker, your best case scenario might be just to wedge it back to 100 yards and start over, rather than try to get delicate and have it roll in the water.

And so if you get to 17. Right, yeah. Just get me back over there. I might as well retake. If the ball goes long of the green, I'm just retaining it. I'm saying. I'm not going back there, so I'll just be playing from here. Tiger, Tiger Woods, the greatest player to ever pick up a golf club, made a 10 on that hole the last time he played it.

All right. Time out. Time out. Frank, he thinks he's making it up and down out of the front bunker, no problem. I'll just laser one into the front bunker. What are you talking about? I can't actually look at you an advisor when you come through. I mean, you just got a helmet head coming at it. It's when you lean forward with that thing that's resting on your glasses and literally a foot from either ear, it's the most preposterous look of all time. It's almost frankly thinking

12 is easier than 17. So maybe wear this fucking hat. What do you want me to do? Seriously, think about how many guys have lost the players' championship on 17 and how many guys have lost the Masters on two. Not like some guy that's missing the

cut, middle of the pack, right? I'm talking the guys who are playing good coming down this. It happens at 12 every year. Jordan Spee, Francesco, Brooks, all those guys, right? No one on, People are winning the golf tournament on 17, like when Kiz and Ricky Fowler are making birdie hitting it over to the back right pin. It's like we prepped Keith for this question.

Frankie just keeps leaning back, fixing his hat. Frank Gus, one of the greatest guests you ever had. So, all right. Now, I lose the argument to you. It's fine. I want to hear your thought process on 12. We hear about you'll have to look at the top of the trees, the wind can swirl. How are you deciding the difference between a seven iron?

an eight iron, a six iron, and not, like, when you step up to 12 in Augusta, what's going on in your head? Well, I mean, you always, everyone should take the page out of Tiger's book on this hole, where he just picks the dead center of the green and no matter where the pen is and hits it there. And then that gives you the biggest margin of error because, like, that's what he did in 2019, when you won the masters. Everybody's going for this front pin. They're trying to make birdie, comes up short, goes in the water, right? Or then they go at the pin, but they use the middle of the green yard, and then it goes over the back, right? And then you're making another bad score.

So he goes middle of the green in terms of width and depth. And he aims right there. Okay, so then hopefully that's a good number, right? And then there's not much wind. If it's not a good number, you try to figure out what the wind's doing and take the club that the wind would help. So if it's downwind, take the less club, and the win takes more club, and you go there.

And then you just hope you hit a good shot. And I've played their knot in the Masters and been nervous on that tee. and then when you get there in 2019 with those crowds and you get there, you just like, just please give me a good number. Please give me a good number of that middle of grade. And then you just have to go from there because that wind, you know, I don't know if you remember, but in 2019,

when we played there, we played off two T's, right, on Sunday because of that windstorm coming in. Yeah. Which was the first time the Masters has done that since maybe the 80s or 90s. I don't know the actual facts on that, but I teed off number 10. So I'm on the golf course hearing the roar on Tiger, and we're trying to figure out what the wind's doing on all these other holes.

I can't imagine down that little valley. The wind's starting to pick up 15, 20 miles an hour going to all different directions. And then that's why he, that's why he's, that's why he beat everybody. The discipline to hit it to the middle of green and try to figure that wind was just absolutely incredible. Did you tell out there just from the roars and the noise that what was going on with Tiger? Could you get a sense? I had to ask my buddy. My buddy was out there watching me like an idiot.

He was watching me finish like 40th and not watching Tiger. And I had to go over there. Like what is going on? And so then. And Tiger went up and just stood on the green too to just solidify the win. So, I mean, it was a little bit. So I finished and I run into the clubhouse. And I'm sitting there with Justin Thomas.

And Justin Thomas and I are watching. We have to watch it on TV. So we sit in the clubhouse and watch Tiger play 16, 17, and 18 to win. and then walk outside and just see him walk from 18 over to the scores tip. And, I mean, I felt like I was 10 years old again. And I just finished playing in the tournament. I got the chills. I got the chills.

The impact this guy has had that he has his competitors and his peers rushing off the golf course to go see him finish up and then run out like children to get a glimpse of like Santa Claus walking from his workshop. It's insane. I'm picturing that scene in a, The Polar Express, I'm getting real deep into Christmas movies here, where Santa comes out and he's trying to look around to see if he can see Santa. Gosh, man, Tiger's not real. What's your best experience with Tiger Woods?

Is that up there for you? Just like as just his being, is you being there in 2019? Well, fortunately, I've played with him twice. And I played with him like a month later, pretty much, at Memorial that year in 2019. and we were both probably in 15th place on Sunday. And, you know, he's in his Sunday red and we're playing. And he's seven under through 12 at Memorial. And he's tied for second.

And we're standing on 13T. And, dude, I have never seen something so perfect. Every shot was right where it's supposed to be. He's the only golfer that I know that really shapes every single shot, according to the situation. Like, if it's winds into, hit it lower. If the flags on the right, he'll fade it in there. If it's downwind, he'll hit it higher and draw it.

Like, every single iron shot is, you know, shaped to the where it's supposed to be. And then for all those golf nerds out there, he's using probably the spinniest golf ball on tour. So into the wind, he's flighting these shots that are just like, he's hitting like, I'll never forget on number 12. he had a low-cut seven-iron, a low-cut seven-iron into the wind with the spinniest golf ball I've ever seen. And I'm sitting there trying to figure out how not to hit six iron

because the wind's in the air. And I use the lowest spinning golf ball on tour. And that's when you know that he's just like, he's the best player to ever live, and there's nothing you can do about it. And then I had that experience where he almost, he didn't know, I think he made a bogey coming down. He probably finished like six or seventh,

but it didn't matter. It was incredible. And then I played with him at the PGA on Saturday at Harding Park. And we kind of reversed. I had probably my best round. And I probably shot three or four under. And it was honestly, it was because I'd had that prior experience with Tiger. So I was kind of like, okay.

And we knew each other. And we could actually like talk walking up and down the fairways. And he got to the point where he was kind of just talking about his mentality on certain shots and, you know, his practice mentality and stuff. So both of the times I played with them are equally equally. tied at the top because they were completely different. One, he was absolutely laser focused, kicking ass, and the other time he was super relaxed, no fans, nobody around, and he could actually talk and walk up and down a fairway,

and he wasn't playing great. Dude, I remember that I walked the entire round with you guys. I was there with Robbie Mack. He and I walked the entire round, and that was COVID. There were no fans out there, and it was, like, a private show. It was so cool. The way you talk about Tiger Woods, like, people can go back and watch this on the Cisco WebEx. Like, I was starting to tear up.

I don't know why. You just, the way you described how he shapes his shot, something was going on with my right eye where it started to well. And I actually let it keep going because I wanted one drop to fall. It would have been phenomenal podcasting. But you have, you have such a, the way you described it was so the imagery was amazing. I was picturing like a slight breeze coming in and him going with it. It felt like a polka hot. It's majestic.

Yeah, like the way he talks about it is the majestic. Like you can paint that picture in your head. A tiger just like whistling that shot in there and just the most beautiful form. I'm also, Keith up, you two on 12. Stepping up being like, okay,

yeah, low cut seven here. Yeah, here we go, just like spinning one up into the, I got it. Oh, I had no chance.

I mean, and so here's a funny thing. I'm walking off number 11, and he's gone first on every single hole. Okay? And I tell Joey LaCalo, like, I'm going to take this damn tea back from you guys eventually. And so then, you know, on 12, he hits that shot.

I'm like, yeah, I'm never going to take this tea back. It's happened on like maybe 14. I made Bertie. And that was, I made, maybe a bogey that Tiger made. And I hit the tee. And I hit them. So I teed off first. And Joey was like, congrats on tea.

I wish it didn't happen that way, though. Like, didn't even give me a grove. Tiger made boge. Yeah. You don't really earn it. You didn't really earn it. You didn't really earn it. Something impressive young, young buck. That's awesome. I'm with Frankie, man. I got like, I'm getting the chills more you're kind of talking about Tiger. No offense.

He's the best. He's the best. You've played with Tiger Woods, which is awesome. And then now you're going to, you're going to have to face the four-man scramble at some point here. We hear on this Cisco WebEx, these four faces here that you're seeing, we're a problem when we were put together. And how do you think that you would do in a match against us? We're 3 and 0 all time. Is that what it is?

3 and 0 all time against tour pros? Yeah. Kiz, Joel, and Pat. Kis, Joel, and Pat, we absolutely put them to bed. Wow. And those guys are the three best shit talkers on tour. No doubt.

And so, like, clearly that's not going to be a factor is, like, against you guys. So the only factor is actually good play, apparently, or maybe it's wear a visor, you'll throw your own selves off. So maybe that's the handicap. Is everyone... I won't be able to hit golf ball. I think we might have to.

I like that. I think it's visor versus visor. We have to make our own visor. You come in with your visor. And we just, we, it's a battle to the death. I mean, listen, where... I was going to say, to be fair, Pat took us to 18. Kiz took us to 18 and Joel just didn't, he didn't have a great day.

I don't even remember how far he went. But it's not like 80. We thought it was his brother like Dan Damon. Yeah. But like it's all, it's been close in pretty much every single match. So don't, don't,

we don't blow people out of the water. I know Frank, he's trying to sell it to you like we're, you know, the evil empire, but we're, it comes down to the end, usually.

Dude, multiple times, I had to look on my phone to make sure Joel was a PG tour player. I went, we were on like the third hole and I'm like sitting in the car

just Googling them, being like, are we sure that this guy actually is on tour? To me, you're like, you're putting his, Yeah, he was putting his shoes on during the first hole. He didn't have his shoes on.

He was like, this fucking guy sucks out of it. It was not to be believed how bad he. I mean, he was hitting balls out of bounds. He was behind trees. He's like, Frank, you want to see me turn this thing around a tree? I'm like, sure, he just hit it into the tree. It's like, you're just like, you're worse than my buddies. It's insane.

He was going from the empathy boat, right? Maybe. Exactly. Well, and then we did the mat. He shot, what, like, two under? So, I mean, at the end of the day, if that's his first day. Where are we play? Are we just talking about it?

Wherever you want to play. Wherever you want to play. I mean, obviously your home course, you'll have a massive advantage on, so maybe we find some of it. Because, like, you go out of, where is your home course? You go out there, you're going to shoot 63, right? No problem. Your eyes closed.

Well, I mean, Sea Island, none of the courses are that easy. They clearly have tour events there, and that's where I live now in Sea Island. But, I mean, I don't know. It's a good question. we could, we'll have to ponder that. You know, if you, if you ask you my top five, is this kind of, is that like the kind of prelude to say, hey, we want you to take us to one of the top five? Yeah.

I think so, yeah. A little. Yeah. That'd be fun. We should do us. We'll just take it. We need to take a poll. We need to take a viewership poll of where we'll do it and what would think would be best and

try to figure it out from there. Oh, I like that. So we're going to have to actually, we're going to have to choose. four golf courses to put it in a Twitter poll. So should we come up with those courses right now? We'll put a Twitter poll. Where are we going to face Keith Mitchell in the four-man scramble? When the time is right, we're going to face them.

Where are we playing? What's our four options? All right. Can we do five? Because we got five of us. When is Twitter poll, you can only do four, I think. So X out. Whose decision are we going to X out?

Are we all going to pick? No, I don't know. But I think, I, but I think, that's a good idea except we have to know where you want to play because you're going to have to play pretty well to beat us is what we're saying that's right we're a force believe it or not these four idiots that you're looking at right here are a complete force rigs is an absolute these visors come out maybe we are unstoppable like we let the other the other three guys they all picked pretty much right we'll accept kids look at this look i mean you can you yes i think you picked the four yeah i think you pick the four

you're going to know you're going to know where you're going to want to take us down i mean for us like we're just going to pick augustin national i mean cypress like it's not going to be like you're not going to take us there i think what like it's not going you have to pick something realistic here you said those run not realistic no i'm kidding i'm kidding something going on here okay if i had that much cool i you know i don't think we should go to sea island we should go to seahua we never been there oh yeah you all never been there'll be great no no no those courses on the water they look fucking sick his wins there all the time so we beat him we can be you

there all right we'll do we'll do I'll the Chattanooga and Sea Island those are my two home home bases I'll put two places on each down there and then should we ask permission from the clubs first or do we just ask for us later

I don't I don't hate just kind of forcing their hand usually if we just tweet it into existence being everybody wants this but you have to host us all right well I'll we'll definitely be on there. We can need. All right.

All right. They got seaside. They got seaside plantation are the two ones we play, the RSM one. Okay. Those are pretty sick. This could be a problem for us, honestly, because you've got to keep it in the fair way. We could do Sweetens Coast. But sweet, you all have to be sweet.

Sweetens Coast because you can find your ball pretty much anywhere. And the greens are what makes it crazy. What makes society is what is, you know, all the marsh and the water and the wind, et cetera. Yeah. We need to find the ball. That's like that's a little inside baseball from the four-man scramble is we need to be able to find the ball. When we face, so when we face Pat Perez, we played in Arizona and there were a couple times where three balls were gone. In the rocks.

Gone. Gone. And we needed just that one hero. Usually it was Lurch to somehow figure out how to hit that ball into the fairway. I mean, one time we went three OB, Lurch stepped up and hit one OB as well, but it hit a rock and went right back in the middle of the fairway. And we made a birdie. So like you could beat us. Like there's no way.

I was obviously coming off saying I was very cocky because we are three and O against PGA tour pros. We fucking suck. We suck. And there's a lot of opportunity. If you put us in the middle of a marsh, we're going to make a couple of bogey. So. Hole in one. Okay.

Hole and one is something that everybody cherishes. We get a lot of questions about holes in one. Hole. Holes in one? Yeah, holes in one. It's always been confusing me. People say holes in one and not hole in ones. I think you can say whichever one,

and I do not care which one is grammatically correct. I don't either, but I do feel like the general population has accepted that holes in one is correct. Like how many holes in one do? you have, but I don't think, they're not asking how many holes have you played in one? It's like how many of these cool accomplishments called a hole in one do you have? I also think, I have five hole in ones. I also think we as humans have the final say on grammar.

Like, we, it's our. We invented it. Right. Like, it's our thing. So if enough people say hole in ones, then it just becomes that, regardless of what the smart people of the world technically say. Great point. Have you ever heard about or watch the show about them coming up with the dictionary? No.

Dude, I used to think as a kid for every reason. I was like, I had this picture of my brain of like two guys just sitting there just being like, word. Now you come up with a word. Now you come up with the word. Boom, that's the dictionary. That's pretty much what happened. Well, there's like the Webster's dictionary. There's a show on Netflix.

I watch the first three or four episodes of it. And essentially, this man was tasked with, like, running the operation of, okay, the English language has been here, it's there. There's all kinds of different dialects and meanings. We are going to run this operation of categorizing all of it and putting it in a dictionary where you actually define and list all known words. And what they did was go through, like, all literature of all time. Everything that they could possibly find. and then they had to get like verification. So you had to have like a second like literary, you know,

example of this being used. And if it was used in that other literary publication in a different form, then that word would have a couple different definitions. They went through every word ever to come up with that. It's, and again, I didn't finish the whole series. I forget what it's called. I think it's on Netflix. But as they're talking about it, the guy's like,

boy, is this an unbelievably difficult task? And I'm sitting there thinking like, yeah, you're trying to put on a list. every word ever. I just picture the guy like in an interview with a lower third that his name just says Webster. And he's just like, it's the hardest thing that we're trying to do right now. And I don't know why we even started doing this. Ever.

Like what do we do? Like we could be doing, like we could start a fishing market or something. And we're going to, you know what we're going to do? We're going to sit down. We're going to try to categorize and list every word ever. It feels like something Cisco would be able to do, not us. My brain. Cisco.

with their technology and then powering an inclusive future is maybe a company that could accomplish that task. You could tune in for somebody trying to accomplish the task of getting a million dollar whole-in-one, because there's a million-dollar hole-on-one for charity presented by Cisco this Saturday, February 5th at the AT&T, Pebble Beach Pro Am on CBS, tune in 12 p.m. Eastern Standard Time.

All right, we'll do Sweetens C. Island. We'll put the Twitter poll up, and then we'll go and ask for, ask for forgiveness. I like it. It would be interesting. Yeah, perfect. Who do you play with this week? Do you have like a go-to guy for your amateur? So I have supposedly an awesome partner.

However, I can't announce what pairings come out tomorrow. So I don't know. I'm not supposed to say anything till tomorrow. There's a little behind the scenes going on. Is that what's happening here? I'll say this. This won't come out until Thursday's show. Oh, it won't?

Fuck no. Okay. Gotcha. All right. Well, so y'all hear it here first. You can't go early tweet it between now and tomorrow. Okay. But Josh Allen.

Oh, shit. I didn't see it. I'm coming. Be honest for you. That's epic. I got the call. I was like, wait, he literally played football like four days doing here. And he's hot in the streets right now, man.

One of the best athletes on the planet just has so much swagger, so much confident, one of the nicest guys ever. Man, that's going to be a good round of golf. Still sitting on that bench in KC. I think waiting for the football. Holy shit. That's amazing. They're going to let me play, right?

I don't know this is overtime, but they got to let me play. I got to get the football. He's like, well, and now I'm with Keith Mitchell. How did that happen? I guess a poor guy he should be play yeah he should have been playing and now he has played with me a different sport with a chop like non-athlete chop he put out a tweet yesterday talking about how hot in the streets he is he put out a tweet yesterday after the coin flip he just put out pain it got 474,000 likes that guy is just hot in the streets that's insane are you going to talk him up like how does that work are you going to like kind of go asking them questions about a season or are you just going to let it like flow like how do you go into those things

well you learn you learn not to be fanboy like you can be fanboy like behind the scenes but not like the guy and you learn that pretty quick when you play with tiger like oh tiger i remember when you what you did in 97 masters i was five years old and watch you like tiger didn't give a shit he's like you get out of what like everyone says so like i'm not going to be like gosh out of like how'd you feel in the fourth quarter coming down there. I don't think we still haven't learned that yet. Yeah, the difference between you and I is I'd just be like, dude, fucking how's that fourth quarter, man, you know?

I heard a good trick that a guy did to one of the AMs is he played this whole prank on him about this lucky tea. He's like, look, I know you're nervous, first tea box, Pebble Beach, you know, the big crowd, but I got this lucky tea I won't you use. And they had shaved the top edges off. So he's kind of put the ball on there and it keeps falling off and it falls off here and it keeps falling off. And he can't, it's like so he starts getting nervous

and he starts shaking and he can't get the ball on the teeth. So I was thinking that would be a good way to break it in with Josh Allen instead of being like, hey man, like good playing this year. Like really rooting for you. It's like, hey man, try to put this ball in tea in front of 30,000 people. You thought you were nervous in the end up the playoff game. Try this. Dude, that happened to me, and it happened to me.

It wasn't a joke tea. When we played Kisner at Pinehurst, we teed up the first four-man scramble ever. I was the first to tee off, and I just could not get my ball on the tea, and I wanted to cry. I wanted to run away. He just called you out for it. Yeah. He goes like, oh, you're too nervous to get your ball on the tea there, Trit? And then you're like, it got so bad that Dewey, Kisner's caddy, who was clearly on Kisner's caddy, who was clearly on Kisner to win, he looks at me and goes, just breathe.

And I was like, all right. Dewey the nice student the world. Yeah, no, but the trick tea, that would drive me insane, but that's a good idea. There was a good amount of people watching you too on that. Oh, yeah. That's the other thing. We had people that are watching,

and we had people watching on Instagram. Oh, that's right. We probably had 200 people on the first day watching in person. Tough. Really tough. Think about this, though. Josh Allen's more famous than any golfer in the field this week. So imagine how many people are going to come watch and play a different sport.

So he's going to be, you know, he's not in his comfort something playing in front of other people. He's playing something completely different. And then doing that to him on the first day. I mean, somebody told me that. And I just, I was like, I don't, I think that might be pushing our, our new friendship. Yeah. That is true. We just watched him play pretty much a perfect football game.

And they just didn't get the ball at the end. And now he's got to go do something that is so imperfect. It's hard to wrap your head around in front of a lot of people. In front of a lot of people. Yeah. That's horrifying. That'll be fun though. It's absolutely horrifying.

Well, good luck. Did Josh Allen's stories so I could like you know so I can not fanboy him and talk to him about something like normal? No. No, I mean we've done we did a pizza view with him once and then he was just I remember it was right before he got drafted. And Dave and I were like pretty excited to meet him because there was a lot of hype about him obviously coming out. You know, he had all these like the big hands and like everyone was like, oh, how's he going to do in the NFL and where is he going to go in the draft? after we're like, all right, this guy, like, we're about to get, like, possibly a number one draft pick at that time. We didn't know where he was going to go.

I remember meeting him, and he had his whole family with him, his, like, girlfriend, and he was, like, the nicest, like, buttoned-up guy of all time where, like, he was nervous to be around us. I remember we did the pizza review, and I went back, and at the time, I'm a Jeff's fan, so we were going to have a really high pick, and I'm like, and all my buddies went to Josh Allen, and I'm like, dude, we can't draft Josh Allen. And this guy's like a child. He was like a big teddy bear child. He has like no brain whatsoever. He was like, hello, Mr. Portnoy. Thank you so much for having us to a picture of you. Like I love Barstall.

I was like, how's this guy going to fucking go out and dominate in the NFL? And I couldn't have been more wrong about this guy. He's a stone cold killer. He's an absolute. I mean, the one thing I'd want to know from him is like, how the hell did he turn that switch on? I mean, I'm sure he was like that in college. I just didn't watch him. But we can all agree.

He's turned on a switch in the NFL. Phil, even from his first season. Like something has happened to Josh Allen, where he's now, he's the guy. He got this swagger somehow. Maybe that's what you tell him. You tell him, hey, I was just on the foreplay podcast. That guy Frankie Brelie, who used to film the pizza reviews,

didn't think you were going to be shit. Didn't think you were going to be anything. So happy when the Jets didn't draft you. Because he was like, you would make the Jets worse. You're like, you proved that little fucking idiot wrong. Fuck. the things I'd do for Josh Allen to be on the Jets right now

is actually pretty insane The Jets are so cursed He wouldn't be Josh Allen if he was on the Jets I actually agree with that How funny it would be If something changed between now and Thursday And we've had this whole talk And then they put me with some other

Just stop And it's not even playing with Josh Allen We won't edit anything We'll put it out just as it is This is not a fact-based show in any way What is the quarterback for the Jets right now I can't think of his name What if they subbed him out of luck

Yeah Yeah dad What if they shoved out him Josh Allen for me. You guys finished dead last. We'll probably do that anyway. I hope the Josh Allen thing happens for you. That would be so cool.

I'm excited. That's what I've been told. And maybe they told me not tell anybody because they were just playing a prank on me. I don't know. Again, it's still coming out on Thursday show. We won't edit or change anything. That's perfect. What's been said has been said.

Well, have fun of pebble. What are you playing out there today? Today? Today is a practice day. I'm going to get my clubs worked on, worked on Mike. I guess just for the golf nerds out there, got to work on my yardages. Like the ball goes nowhere out here because you're at sea level thick and it's cold, that marine layer. So, I mean, seriously, you hit a good solid shot and it could go five to ten yards shorter on any given club. And I got to learn to dial those yardages in because they're not going what they go in other like Scottsdale the ball goes like five to 10 yards farther so here I'm going to get

work on my yardage today make sure they're all make sure they're all locked in and you do that with the track man you get the track man out yeah yeah so I'll do that and you got to take the normalize off I don't know there's two settings normalized tells you what it would do at home so you put like what it is your average temperature at home and your average golf ball and so that's how I work on my yard is everywhere and then you do actual and how far it's going there so it tells you actually how far it's going relative to home. It's incredible. The technology these days is absolutely incredible.

I'll probably, I'll probably WebEx, my coach, and check my swing out and make sure everything's good. And do some putting drills because we're on Pohanna Greens. These greens are just gnarly. I don't know, do you all see Will Zalotorces' putt? Yeah, of course. Yeah, so that's what we're putting on out here.

So I'll get some work on there, and then we'll start playing a practice round on the next couple of days. He's putting, and we don't have to talk about another guy's putting because, you know, it's his thing. But fuck, man. Don't talk about one of the man's putting. Yeah, don't go on down now, row. That's nasty. That guy can't putt, dude.

I don't know what's going on with that guy. You're telling me he can't put and he loses in a playoff in one of the strongest fields of the year. And you're technically telling me he is the greatest ball striker to ever live. Barry him again. I like when I like when Keith comes on the show and just buries Frankie over and over and over again. He's obviously can putt. He's fucking Will Zalotaurus.

He's a PGA Pro. We're talking about, we're talking, we're keeping it relative to like when he needed to make putts. Okay. He weren't even closer. He didn't even sniff the hole.

Relative to all the guys he's playing with, that was bad, no? About Will Zalotaurus in his putting. Last year, he was 16th in strokes, or in approach putting. I don't know if you know what approach putting is, but it's how far the distance

your ball is from the hole after your first putt. Okay. Okay. No, it doesn't matter. If it's 10 feet, if it's 50 feet, whatever. How close? And if you make it, it's zero, right? So it even equates to that.

He was 16th in approach putting last year. So that means he has some of the best speed, which equates to feel on tour. Think about that. Now, yes, he's hit some putts that are, don't look pretty on camera, but I promise you a lot of other guys on the field have done that. They just weren't on camera because they weren't near the leaderboard, right?

And then the put he hit yesterday, or was it two days ago, to win in regulation, was going in the, literally in the left center of the hole and hit something and moved out to the left. Like there was a good chance that ball was going in the hole if the grass wasn't there. So yeah, Will Zaud Tours might have had a couple, you know, bad putting strokes that the ball missed that were on TV,

only because he was in the lead. Frank, he was wrong again? Is that you trying to tell me? I think it's, I think it's, I think it's bullshit that people say that Will Zadotauris is a shitty putter because of two videos

that people have caught in slow-mo. Like, I mean, it's bullshit. Yes, those were not. Make a lot of sense again. Two out of 2000 that he's hit. Great point. It's a great point.

We were asked to sit back and fit. Frank is walked into him. punch just walked in a big old punch I'll take the punches we were all at the fucking tournament going crazy about his putting so like I'll take the punches fine we were there in the suite by the way an amazing suite we haven't talked about that

watching golf from a suite on the 17th hole at Torrey Pines was like watching the Yankees play the Red Sox it like I've never I've never not because of like the I'm talking about the actual viewing experience like I thought like I was at a baseball game you're sitting down in the shade

you've got a comfortable chair you've got a beer you've got some chips and diff and wings i've never experienced golf like that in my life and then we watch well zardotauris on the screen missing all these puts and we you know we got a little animated about it but i'm glad that we have someone knows what the fuck you're talking about that can tell me no you're wrong agreed to approach putting stat look it up i would love to know what my approach putting stat is i mean sometimes i leave it outside 10 feet i mean i would last on last in all on the planet under five under five handicap last yeah i would say that's probably my worst category that's my worst skill oh no we know that we're just saying you're the worst at it too i think in below

five i think that's what we agreed right with the colt yes no we didn't agree on that with cold yeah that i was the worst putter sub five handicapped potentially in the world which rocked me a little bit but i do think actually that i think even what's worse than that somehow my approach putting is is the worst it could ever be. I mean, I took a 20 footer. And then someone says that's good. Like,

never. I know. I would love, the stat I would always love to know for myself that I'll never get as an amateur is distance made putting. Sometimes like a pro will be like, you know, a crazy day.

They'll make 180 feet of puts or like just an outrageous stat. I mean, sometimes mine's 18 feet. You might be under 10 feet. You might be under 10 feet for permanent. round. Really bad. Maybe that's why

he did that because he hits his first putts and his lead shot so close that he just picks them up in all his practice rounds. His ball's striking. Dude, Saturday, he shot, or Friday, third round, he shot 65 with negative 0.35 strokes game putting.

65, you shot up there. If you hit it back, like imagine if you hit all the par 5 and 2, okay, and you two put for Bertie, and then you hit three wedges close, like inside, 10 feet. You don't even have the opportunity to like gain strokes. He doesn't even matter. The strokes game putting is like a dis a putt that you made from a far distance. So he shot seven under and he didn't have to make a putt. Right. Jesus. Like that stats can be misleading. It's like,

well, you know, he hit every other green to 30 feet like he was supposed to and then he attacked the flags he was supposed to and he hit him close and he two putted for birdie on the par fives. And you're like, okay, well, I made no mistakes. I lag. I lag. my 30 footers up there and I took advantage of the par 5 and my three wedges. It went to two feet yesterday and no one in the group said a word. I almost made a hole in one guys. It was nuts. Like thing was tracking into the hole.

Stop. Big put in this match that we were playing out here at the Grand Delmar, fucking unbelievable golf course. I really liked it. No one said a word. Not a word. And I'm standing over this put and I'm like, what the fuck are these guys doing right now? I almost drive this thing.

Bro, it didn't even touch the hole. I know. The most rattling thing you can do to Frankie is if he gets a good shot saying nothing, because he doesn't understand that nobody will congratulate him. So if you do that, the whole time, he's just going to be thinking about why nobody said anything. And never once,

I bet did you ever actually think about the putt? Because all you were thinking about is, how did I hit such a good shot and nobody said, Frankie? Now we're just giving Keith the playbook on how to rattle Frankie whenever we play him. Yeah, but what is that? Why are we doing this now? Dude, also, you know how like when guys are actually good at golf and someone does that to them like JT did this during the Ryder Cup?

When they didn't give him the putt, he drained it and then did the putter thing where he showed how far he was. I was doing that before I hit the puttut. I'm like, are you guys fucking kidding me? I'm already asking for an out before I've even struck the ball. I literally put the putter down. I'm like, what are we doing here? This is up to where the, dude, it was as close to where they put the little price tag on the putter. It was inside the grip like you wouldn't believe.

I'm like, are we not giving this to me right now? And of course, I didn't sniff the hole. And they all walked. It was the classic. Once I missed it, their backs were already to me laughing as they walked to the golf cart. They were gone. They all knew immediately. And you know, too, they're hitting these guys.

You make that extra? I just picked, I threw it. I mean, I threw it. I like scooped it and tossed it into the tree. I couldn't believe I made a three. Did you make the put for par? No, I didn't even, I didn't even attempt it. I just fucking walked away.

Well, so you're saying you could have. made bogey there probably yeah probably yeah i lost the i made it too i lost the hole i needed to make the two to push the hole the guy fucking drained one from like 25 feet and then made me putt it so it was like i was just rattled like i watched the guy drain this putt from 25 feet to win the hole and he's like all right like i'm thinking all right i would just push he's like and he didn't say a word i just lost it my my partner's like oh i just walked the car just like this guy this guy this guy This guy who's shitting on Zalotaurus, by the way. I fucking suck.

Relative. What do we do? Relatives ass. Like, no. What are you talking about? Like, we're allowed to talk about professional golfers, like, in their world, right?

I'm allowed to say, like, all this pitcher sucks today in baseball. Meanwhile, obviously, he's better pitcher than I am. And what are you fucking nuts? What are you crazy? Or else there's no sports watching then? Why are we watching sports then? I was kidding, Frankie. you're going to be okay you shut the

fuck up you should the sit back mid sit back I think we got it I think we got him I think we got it I think we got it I'm wearing a damn freaking

visor it's getting me all rattled All right this guy has to go practice you need to go practice get those yards just dialed in Keith I'm gonna take some Frankie's intensity right now put it in my training session right here

you're gonna have a good week this week my man you're gonna have a good week this week All right, Keith. Well, good luck out there. Good luck with Josh Allen. Hopefully, he's actually your partner. Otherwise, it's going to be a weird segment that we did.

Yeah. We'll be rooting for it. Pfizer tip. Thank you. My is going to fall through my head, I think. But, yeah. Thank you, Keith. All right, guys.

Thanks, good, man. True, too. Good luck. Appreciate it. I have a question for you guys. Yes. Okay. Do you know what's happening February 5th?

on CBS at 12 p.m. Eastern Time. Million dollar hole in one challenge sponsored by Cisco. For charity, no less. They are playing on the 17th hole at Pebble Beach. You ever heard of it? So you'd think one challenge. Treadbirded it in real life. I think a whole one challenge at Pebble Beach would take place on seven.

Nope. Cisco is making someone really hit a good golf shot here. And we attempted it. And it's very difficult. And if someone, if someone succeeds on this hole in one, I mean, it's a 181, 185-yard shot, like into the wind going towards the ocean. The wind's coming off the ocean. It's a, it's a tough golf shot. At the end of the day, if someone succeeds on this, they deserve $1 million for charity.

And that's going to be awesome to watch. I love the fact that we're going to see real golf shots into this hole. Seven's a flip wedge. And anyone can get lucky with that. You're going to need to be a golfer. and you're going to need to hit a golf shot to win the $1 million Cisco for charity whole in one challenge.

Is it the 17th or the 7th? 17th, I'm pretty sure. That's what we played on. You attempted on the 17th. So if they gave us 17th and everyone else is on 7, then someone needs to pay because I hit 150 shots on 17 on simulator and my arms are still reeling from the pain. 17 makes a lot more sense because that is an extremely difficult golf shots.

So hard. Extremely difficult golf shots. Hey, tune in to CBS on Saturday. If it's seven, there we go. We're going to get a hole in one. If it's 17, it's going to be tough. And also, if it's seven, someone needs to pay for us having to play on 17 for two hours.

I don't think it's seven. I just heard you say seven earlier, so I was confused. 17th hole, most likely. Tune in, 12 p.m. Easter standard time, CBS, February 5th, the million dollar hole in one for charity, presented by Cisco.

How we doing? Well How's Pebble? I actually haven't even been out on the course yet, so But Pebble's nice Did you just get You just travel yesterday? I got here yesterday

And I did nothing Hell yeah Those are the best kind of days What are they got you here? What is this? We were getting a little bit of a scoop This is like the putting studio or something Yeah, I don't even know what is it?

is the putting studio here. It's actually pretty nice. Must be part of their new build with the new course and everything. What are we talking about today? Anything sketchy? I don't know. You got anything sketchy you want to talk about? Not really.

If you want to talk about sketchy shit, we'll talk about sketchy shit. I love talking about sketchy shit. You guys see that thing with Jordan that he did? Like maybe, what was it, like a couple days ago? Yeah, the Sunday. I don't watch videos on the internet, but I've watched. that video like five times and I laugh every time I watch it. Dude, it was Caleb.

Who is that guy? That was the first time I've ever seen him. Caleb Presley. He's one of the funniest people on the planet. He, it's just one of those things that have taken off, like his facial expressions, the questions he asks. Even the other guy is like funny too and like the things that I don't know.

Glad he falls. Dude, the second hand anxiety I had from like going through text and the response. There's absolutely no chance. I would have let that happen on my. phone. Right. I would sooner just start running away, just sprint away from the situation, then give up my phone like that. Dude, if this interview consisted of Daniel Berger reading my phone, the interview's over. Yeah. I mean, like we said a million times, my phone after that's going right in a river. I'm disappearing. The internet's never going to hear from me again. It's over.

I end up in jail if someone reads my phone. You know what I mean? I don't know where it goes if someone reads my phone. All right. I think we kind of started, but we'll do a little intro here. We got the defending champion at the Pebble AT&T Pro Am, Daniel Berger, D.B. Straight Vibe, and hasn't seen the course yet. But actually, you guys are going to get weird talking with Keith Mitchell. It's supposed to get pretty good weather for Pebble Week.

Yeah, I mean, it's always touch and go here at Pebble. Sometimes it's nice. Sometimes it can be sketchy. But I think the forecast is like four sunny days. So hopefully it stays like that. Talk to me about speaking of DB straight vibe. How long have you had to handle DB straight vibe? I don't know.

I guess I made Instagram like a while ago. I don't even remember. And it's been the same sense. But a lot of people like that. I don't know why. It was just kind of like a spur of the moment thing. I think our generation has to deal with that a lot of times when it comes to gamer tags on Xbox or play. Yep.

And email. No, I can feel that. Yeah. Like I used to play, I used to play like Call of Duty and stuff like that. So I can see that. Oh, totally. It was like Yang's child 2000 or something. I'm like, I'm like 26 years old playing call duty with these ridiculous names.

No, it does get, it does get ridiculous. But I do think that's, like you said, I remember that with like the aim, the aim name and then emailing people and you'd have a ridiculous email. I think Trent still has like a Yahoo email that he uses. I do still have a Yahoo email. I've been loyal to them. They've been loyal to me as well, although they get hacked about twice a year and all everybody's information. information gets taken and it gets put onto some server somewhere that it's going to steal my identity. But I still have a Yahoo email. I like it. I think it works for me.

Yeah, I remember like four years ago, I was, call of duty was going crazy through the office. And Big Cat, like, recruited me to play a little bit of Call of Duty with him. And obviously he had some big names with him. So Julian Edelman would just play when he was injured. He would just play in our Call of Duty like crew. And his name, I'm not going to give it exactly, but it was legit. like jewel ed's like 11 or something and after every game he'd be like you i'm getting all these messages of people we'd be like dude your fucking handle it's just your name and he was he was he's never changed it from college the whole time so um talk to me about pebble week it's an interesting week with the amateurs you've clearly had success you won last year how much like how different is it is a weird

kind of uh pace out there with amateurs slapping it around yeah i mean i think there's good and there's bad when it comes to pebble but i mean there's more good than bad um but yeah Obviously, the rounds tend to be a little slower. I mean, luckily that the weather is going to be good, which makes a huge difference. You know, when you get the rain and you get the wind and, you know, the amateurs don't quite have that skill level to be able to play in those conditions. That's when it really, really slows down. But as long as the weather's all right, it's cool.

And, I mean, obviously, you get to see a bunch of people that you see on TV and that, you know, through, you know, different places. And so that's pretty cool as well. Yeah, I guess it's, uh, well, One thing I've realized that every week for you guys is kind of different, right? Like every week's unique. It's got its own challenges for us. Like we're so mentally weak on the golf course.

Like if we have to wait for like one par five or we're going to go for it, we got to wait for four extra minutes after pulling like a three wood. And you say you're going for a part five and two? No, not with my swing speed. I'm not. But like we melt down. It's like they'll show you guys, you know, there'll be like a big hold up on a hole where you guys are sitting at tea.

I guess that stuff just doesn't affect you guys as much. much because you're used to it. Absolutely 100% does affect me. Actually, last week was pretty slow. And, like, I find myself, like, wondering, how is it possible for these guys to play so slow in front? Because I'm a fast golfer. Like, I think I had ADD. So as soon as I sit there for too long, I just, I can't, I can't do it. But we did this thing where we moved to move the cut from 70 and ties to 65 in ties because they wanted to get rid of the Saturday cut and go to twosoms on the weekends. but like since they've done that, I don't know what's happened. Like we played in threesomes like more than we ever had before on the weekend.

So I don't know who planned that, but it didn't work out that well because the threesomes are way slower on the weekends. Why were they doing that last, like this past week we were out there on Saturday. We had no idea why they were playing threesomes. I guess like too many guys made the cut. But I mean, like first off, it's a Saturday finish, which is already like different. And then you move the cut from 70 to 65 and yet we're still playing threesome. So I don't really understand. that I kind of stay out of the politics of it all. I just kind of do what I'm told and it is what it is.

You got the pebble yesterday, but you say you didn't do anything. What do you do on a day off right before a tournament in a new place? I say I did nothing. I mean, but I like I went to the gym. I saw my therapist, did some small like training stuff, but nothing golf related. Actually, my back's been bothering me a little bit. So I've been trying to give that a little rest. And it just, it didn't feel right to go hit balls yesterday. So I wanted to kind of give it a day to chill and see if it felt better to that. What is your- Successful people's nothing is much different than my nothing, Frankie's nothing, Riggs is nothing. I mean, what Daniel just described on his nothing day is more than I do on a normal time. To be fair, though, like I can have those nothing days at all, but, you know, tournament week,

you still want to make sure that you're kind of keeping the body moving and you're not, you're not just sitting around in bed doing nothing. Dude, remember that the height of the pandemic that one day I had 37 steps when we started recording the podcast. And it was like a 6 o'clock in the night podcast. We all showed our step. I swear to God, dude, that's barely enough to get to the bathroom. You go to the door to pick up the pizza and you walk back to bed. That's more than 35.

And then we were also saying, because it's the phone, probably a couple times just lifting the phone up. It was like phantom steps. So I think true steps was around 12th. 13. When you're in a tournament, what is your go-to schedule? Do you have the same thing you do every Thursday through Sunday? Like when you're waking up, what's the first thing you do until you tee off at the tournament? Yeah, a pretty similar schedule. I like to play kind of earlier in the morning so I can take the afternoons off. So I'll usually get out there, you know, maybe around 7.38 o'clock in the morning, go through my little warm up in the gym just to get the body moving. And then

I actually don't hit that many balls before I go out and just go out there and play nine. Usually, like, a lot of guys like to play with other people. I like to just kind of go out there by myself, get my work done and get out of there. Again, like, I just can't do the three-hour nine-hole practice rounds. It's just, and at the same time, too, like most of these courses now, this being my eighth year, I've played six, seven, eight times. It's more about just kind of getting in the rhythm and the feel of everything than it is really, like, learning a new golf course. So I like to go out there early, play by myself, get it done, and get out.

You're a Florida guy, different type of grass going out west, pebble, poana. Does that mess with you at all? Like, I know kids, we're tight with kids. Kids like hates playing out west because the grass is so different. Yeah, I mean, early on in my career, I was legitimately horrible on Poena. Like, I did not understand how to put on it. And then I just think as I've gotten older and I played it more often, I've kind of learned the small little things that allow you to put a little bit better.

Like I used to try to ram the four footers in the hole. And, you know, I'd make a good bit of them, but then you miss that one from four feet. You have 10 feet coming back, you know. So I kind of changed my strategy a little bit and try to dive them in the hole a little bit. And you're going to get those putts that have the little, you know, breaks and the little bumps. But if you hit them a little softer, I just think the hole is bigger and you have a better chance of making them, even though it's more uncomfortable to do that from such a short rate. A little bit of a debate that we've had with some of our buddies, but which is harder, Pebble or Spyglass?

I think Spyglass is actually harder, to be honest. I mean, Pebble has tough holes, but once you get through that stretch of, like, holes, six through like 14 at Spy, they're just tough. I mean, you're in the forest. You're not really sure what the wind's doing. You just got to be a little bit more accurate off the T. I feel like Pebble, you could spray it a little bit and still be okay. but spy glass is not like that. What do you guys think?

Yeah, that's been a tough L for me. I just, I got into it with our buddy Josh is there. And I was like, one of them's U.S. Open course. The other one's clearly not. And I just,

every person we've asked has said what you've said. So I do, I would love to see if they ramped spy up into major championship conditions. Yeah. What it would play like. Well, like when they had the open here at,

uh, what was it, 2018 or 19? It plays so different than it does for the power. will be just like the fairways are half as wide the rough is twice as thick the greens are twice as fast so i mean in that scenario it's pebble is like really hard so it just kind of depends on the conditions yeah i remember i think i think i think phil won that year phil won the at t and t that year and they asked him like oh is this a good omen going into and he was like this is going to be a completely

different golf course come june so it doesn't matter yeah yeah we've played there a handful of times which is insane to even say for us like just hacks but i i've always gotten defeated by Pevel just because of the length and it's more of a mental defeat. I never play my game there. There's something about that place where it's like it's so long. It looks so daunting. And for us, every swing feels like it's the hardest thing on the planet, even though if you really just take hole by hole like you're saying, there's a lot of room to move it from right to left. You can spray it off the tea a little bit more. For me, it's like, I crumble, man, except for the eighth hole. I've dominated the eighth hole. The eighth hole in a hole.

It is. He made a par. He made like, Like a par one time. Daniel Burger would take, in the U.S. Open, Daniel Burger would take exactly the way I played that hole 100 times out of 100. I played that hole. Three wood to the edge of the fairway from the back tees. I had a six iron because the wind was in my face a little bit off left to right. I fucking nutted the six iron way up left.

Tell us about your fantasy team. Tell us about your fantasy team real quick. The back of the hole. And then all of a sudden the caddy told me that someone jumped off the cliff one day on Christmas and it ruined the vibe the entire day, the whole vacation. Completely ruined. It did. And then I missed the birdie put.

But still, a four on eight. Four for three. We take that every day. True. Definitely in that three there. Yeah. Yeah, do you get going into it? I mean, you're only going to play Spy once.

So do you even, is it weird for you to prepare for three different golf courses? A couple of them you're only going to see one. Is that a weird dynamic? Or again, do you just, you're just not really care of that much? No, it's definitely a challenge. I mean, you have to, you have to manage your. time well enough to be able to kind of get the preparation you need in for all the courses. But I think I'll usually walk nine holes with a wedge and a putter at Spy and just kind of

see how the conditions are playing, see what it looks like, kind of get a feel for the green speeds. And then Pebble is like a shit show. You can't even go out there. Everyone wants to play all the amateurs, all the pros, they all want to play Pebble. So it's like it's not even worth going out there. And then MPCC, it's kind of like once you've been there enough, you're. you get a good feel for it.

But it's tough for the guys that are playing it for the first time and they're trying to, you know, rush in this, you know, three course preparation. But luckily, I've played it four or five times now. So I've got a pretty good feel. I mean, if your speed is good on these greens, then that's kind of the biggest thing that matters. Do you still get wowed by Pebble? Yeah, I mean, Pebble is kind of like one of the few courses that you go to and you're like, wow, this place is crazy.

Like, I don't know. It's just there's nothing else like it, you know, and it doesn't feel like. like anything else that we play out throughout the year. So it's definitely the most special course of the year. We, we noticed that the Netflix series started the filming last week. And are you, is that something you're excited about? Are you looking forward to that coming out and how you're going to be perceived? And like, what are your thoughts on Netflix? Yeah, I mean, there's, I think it's great for golf. I think it's going to be really cool. I mean, at the same time, too, I'm concerned about saying something that, you know, in this day and age,

I don't know. I just think everyone takes everything out of context, you know, and I'm, I'm a pretty real person. So, like, I don't know. There's always just that little bit of concern, you know, like, are you going to say something that, you know, people will take the wrong way? But I think they're going to do a good job of making sure that, you know, they portray you as, as you are. But it's going to be great for the game of golf. Like, they were out there last week and you can see some of the stuff, micing up the caddies, things that, you know, they actually. average fan doesn't get a chance to see is now going to be able to be seen, which I think is amazing. Well, we talked to one of the producers and they were giving us a little inside info that

you're going to be a superstar from this thing, just from there. That's the first I'm hearing of it. They're jacked up about Daniel Berger's presence in this show. And yeah, we also got like the scoop that, you know, let's say something did happen, right? Like a bad incident happened. Something happened virally. Maybe a mic was picked up or something. That would go viral on Twitter. Twitter and everyone would go crazy and like we'd all have our takes and we'd all just like go crazy. And then this show would come out a year later. Right. It would show exactly what happened.

Right. Like you get to see the beginning, the middle, the end. It's almost like, oh yeah, that's that shit that we all went crazy about them a year ago. It really doesn't matter anymore. We're not mad about it. So I actually thought that was a pretty cool way of explaining like it's almost better that they're filming and recording everything because if something does happen, you now get to like explain yourself the way you always want.

month of two, the year prize. Yeah, I mean, to be devil's advocate, I mean, there's not that much drama slash whatever you want to call it, you know, stuff that goes down on tour. I mean, like the biggest thing that happens is Patrick Reed taking a bad drop, you know, or stuff like that. You know, there's not, there's not like guys going out and getting arrested or taking their shirts off and leaving the golf course mid-round. I mean, it'll be a round, but.

You should try that, though. Yeah. You're trying to go. I could. I could. Maybe that's the producer what he has planned. And that's why the producer's like, this guy's going to be a fucking super strong waiting. Gert off at the AT&T.

No, I think I, you know, overall, though, I think golf, right? And this is our buddy Chad was telling us and, you know, off the record. So I'm going to give any stories. But, you know, he was basically saying that like, what's going to make golf change in a lot of people's minds who aren't big golf fans, hopefully, is like normalizing people. people that are in people's brains, like above being normal, right? And like you said, like you, you fly in. You don't really do anything. You're probably pretty normal. Do you like to be out on your boat in Florida, which pretty much everyone on earth likes to be out on a boat in Florida. So like, I think normalizing people. And then all of a sudden, you're inside the ropes at iconic Pebble Beach,

knocking down flagsticks on the smallest screens in the world. Like, I think that juxtaposition to people with all the other contexts will be really cool. Yeah, I think you nailed it. I think that's what they're going for. And I think it's going to be, I think it's going to be amazing for the game of golf. And a lot of people that maybe not or haven't been golf fans are going to get into the game because of it, which I think is, is going to be awesome. What's, what's like the biggest shot at Pabble that intimidates you or that you think about? It's got to be the 18th T shot. It's just so easy to sit there and hit one and just re-T if you started too far left. but I actually hit one last year I hit one out of bounds right so I've done both I've hit them left

and I've hit them right there but the hardest part is getting up the next day and hitting one after doing that yeah it's such an awkward t-shot it's it's really awkward it's because like you said you think the intimidation's on the left but if you push one a little bit right there's cart path over there there's obi quickly over there it's a little dicey as a as a course with such small greens and the wind going do you do anything gearing up for this week to like really focus on iron places is such a second shot kind of course. Yeah, I mean, I'm always bringing out. I've got this little like GC quad. It's called the foresight. It's like a mini trackman that we take out there. And I'll hit a ton of shots out on the golf course with actual practice rounds playing with it just to see how far my ball is going.

And I think that's made a big difference in the last year or so is being able to know how far I'm hitting it all the time, you know, because with trackman, it was a little tougher to set up behind the ball. now you just take the foresight, turn it on, put it next to your ball, and you go. And I just think knowing how far you're hitting it all the time makes a big difference, especially with the conditions and the cold. I mean, like, last year I remember hitting balls on the drive range before the final round. And like usually I hit my six iron like 200 yards. I was hitting it like 182 yards. So, I mean, that's a challenge to get up to the first hole and pick a club that you're not used to,

that you know should go a certain distance, but isn't just because of the condition. That's crazy. That's such an interesting difference because I think it was Keith Mitchell who said the same thing to us of these like man the ball out here at Pebble just goes nowhere. So you kind of spend these first few days like really trying to learn that. Is it like a consistent percentage difference? Is it depend on each club how you're flighting it? Like how do you try to dial that in? Yeah. I mean a lot of it has to do with the time of the day like in the morning when it's a little chillier you get that marine layer coming in. I mean your ball is literally going 15 yards shorter than a day. normally does. And then kind of as the sun starts to warm up, you start to get a little bit of that distance back. So it's, it's really a challenge. But I think after doing it enough times, you start to have a pretty good feel for how far it's going. And like I said, warming up with that foresight around my ball and just and getting a feel for how far the ball is going makes a huge difference. But like, you play with amateurs at home and they think they hit their seven iron 178 yards. And you just laugh because

you're like, I hit my seven iron 178 yards. I don't know how you hit your seven iron that far, but it's a big thing that would help a lot of amateurs is knowing how far they hit the golf ball. Is it a big week for your caddy then to be pretty dialed in on, on, hey, we got to be conscious of the weather. It's heating up. We're going a little bit further. That one hung out in the air a little longer than it was this morning.

Is that pretty key throughout the week? Yeah, I mean, he's definitely going to be really in tune with that stuff. And as the week goes on, he'll get better and better. I mean, it's always tough. I mean, for everyone, the first couple of days, trying to figure out a really good number of percentage or whatever you want to call it of what the weather and wind is doing to your ball. And then as you get going, you start to get a little more comfortable

and you just start getting dialed in. What about on the greens? The greens changed throughout the day a lot with the Poana late in the afternoon. A little bit. They get tougher to put on, that's for sure. You know, you get 120 amateur golfers walking around the whole spike marks. Yeah, it gets tough in the afternoon. But it's the same for everybody, so you just got to deal with it.

We got to talk ride a couple of a bit. I know. Oh, sorry, Riggs. I was just going to say, like, you're a little mini trackman thing, and you're tracking all of your shots. And it's just such a grind to, like, get so dialed in. Are you, are you obsessed with the grind? I mean, you're only 28.

You're a young stud on the, on the PGA tour. But I always think in my head, like, you're just really good at golf. young at a young age. And now you've signed yourself up to just be a golfer forever. And now you are like dedicated to this grind. Is it still the same love that you had now at 28 that you did when you were like 16 or 15 and just kind of knocking the ball around with your friends? It is the same, but it's different. I mean, I love, I love working at something and then seeing the results of of that work and seeing the progression of getting better. I think that's the part that I love so much and pushing myself and seeing how good I can get at something is the part

that I love about it. But, you know, the stresses of playing out here and the money and all the stuff that comes with it obviously changes a little bit from when you were 13 or 14. And all you wanted to do was go out there and play golf with your buddies and you just wanted to have fun. So that part changes. But as much as I love this game, I definitely don't see myself doing it for 30 years more like guys like Phil Mickelson and Justin Rose and those guys that have been out here since they were 18, 19 years old. So I think once that time comes where I don't enjoy the grind and I don't enjoy getting better, that's probably when I'll be done. Yeah, it's always just been so like, we take it for granted that we just watch these guys and there's always just a new core

of just professional golfers every generation and you're like, man, these guys, these kids just happen to be really good at golf and they've signed them. themselves up just to continuously keep doing that every single day. I mean, and some guys, some guys are different than others. Like, when I go home and after a two or three weeks stretch of golf, like, I won't play any golf. And then you see certain guys back home, like Justin Thomas plays golf every day when he's back. I mean, he doesn't play golf, but he practices. He's doing some form of golf. Like, he may be on a three week stretch. And then he comes home and plays golf with his dad or he plays golf with his buddies. Like, I can't do

that. When I come home, I'm like, I put the club. I don't even take. take the clubs out of the travel case until like a week or two later until I'm ready to go. So I think as much as I love the game, I can easily get away from it. Right. It's funny. Bring up JT. I have a funny story. I haven't told us on the podcast yet.

I messaged you guys in the group chat. But we went to this, I'm still at Torrey Pines. And we went to this place that you've probably gone to, Ken sushi. Yeah, I love Ken sushi. So everybody loves Ken sushi. That's what we find it out. Bro. We went last night.

And we're sitting there. And we're with like this big crew that knows Ken and he's coming out. He's doing like the where he just makes what he wants and brings it out. Probably the best thing I've ever had in my entire life, not to brag. It was crazy. The guy comes out and someone points to me being like, oh, he really liked that. Or maybe like, oh, it was when they were bringing over some sort of sake. And Ken came over and poured me.

And I'm like, this guy definitely thinks I'm too important. I was the head of the table. I'm like, there's no way. So all of a sudden he does this thing where something was being smoked. one of the pieces of sushi was being smoked and he opened it up and he started blessing me. And he goes, like you are now blessed. He goes, I see two majors and three tournaments in your future. So we're looking around like, he thinks I'm Justin Thomas.

He absolutely thinks I'm Justin Thomas. And this guy, he's like the biggest golf guy on the planet and it was all the players, right? Like you guys all go there. Ron was there drinking out of the freaking US Open trophy with him. But so we're all cracking up at the table. Like there's no way. Why would he say for someone else? He went over to someone else and was like, oh, you're a beautiful.

children one day. I went like, okay. For me, he said two majors and three tournaments. So I went in and I thanked him. I said, Ken, that was the best meal I've ever had. Thank you so much. He put both arms around me and goes, two majors, three tournaments very soon. And just went like that.

And I was like, holy shit, dude. He thinks I'm Justin Thomas. So, J.T, you have some good fortune coming your way, man. I mean, I don't know what else to tell you. Did you not, you didn't correct him? You just like rode that out as Justin Thomas? I was about to say you just wrote it out. You have to.

You absolutely. have to. And I also wasn't going to tell this story to this many people because I felt a little bit bad that maybe he thought it was him and it wasn't him. But it's too good of a story to keep to myself. And he's just such a nice guy that you knew it was coming from the right place. You liked that you were

JT. You went into character mode. I'll be Justin Thomas. Daniel, do you see the JT comparisons to Frankie? Because for whatever reason I am like the only person on the planet who doesn't see it. I actually do see it to be honest. It's like the chin structure, I think.

You guys look very similar. It's there. You know what it is? I mean, you're based, it's a little bit soft. There's a softness to our face, right? We don't have chiseled gall lines. So, yeah, JT. and I won in the same. We got blessed.

So two majors in the future for me also, which is great. Rider Cup. We got to talk Rider Cup. You had the whole hood thing going on. You're out there. You almost assume this different character. Is that just your favorite thing in the world is Team Golf and Rider Cup golf? I mean, it was definitely one of the coolest experiences of my life.

I mean, I knew I was going to be nervous going into it just because you're representing your country. It's such a big event. And then we're sitting there at a team dinner and DJ and J.T. and Zander and all these guys are talking about how nervous they are. And I was like, all right, thankfully, I'm not the only one feeling like this. You know, everyone else has the same kind of vibe going on. But it was one of those experiences that you never forget. I hope that I make many more teams in the future because I don't want to miss them after how. how that last one was.

You're playing out there with Brooks. Is that, I mean, you know going in for a while? You guys are going to be paired up. We played together in the alternate shot at the President's Cup. And then, you know, obviously we had the history of playing college golf at FSU together. So I think just kind of the connection worked well for Captain Stricker. And, I mean, that's the toughest format to pair is that alternate shot format.

I mean, best ball, you can kind of throw anyone together. And it's just how many birdies can you make? but the alternate shot, it's a little bit more strategy. And, you know, I don't make that many bogey, and I hit a lot of fairways. So I think they thought we'd be a good partner together. And we actually played really well. We kind of fell apart a little bit at the end in the second day against Rahm and Garcia. But, I mean, they played well.

So it is what it is. But, you know, next year I'd like to, or next President's Cup, Rider Cup, I'd like to get into that, into that best ball format because of all the team events I've played, I just played a lot of alternate shot. So you're kind of like you're hitting one shot and then you're weight. and then you're hitting another shot. You don't really get into that rhythm of like making birdies and making putts and hitting golf shots.

It's hard, man. Alternate shots hard. And almost no one plays it ever. Yeah. I mean, when was the last time that you went out with your buddies and played an alternate shot? Like, never. We tried to do it last year at the end of like a buddies trip.

And it was just chaos. I mean, I'm talking like half the holes, you're just out of the hole. You know, that's, it's brutal. So yeah,

I didn't really think about that. That's, I'm sure you're hungry. hungry to get in there for some of the best ball because like you said it's just birdie it's just birdie central yeah um look at that look at that smug face from frankie down there frankie you got anything you want to say to daniel oh i can't no i can't just say it you might as well i don't do we were at a tournament once and you walked by and i said man daniel burger's got a fat ass that's what i said i don't know what the hell and i just it's just become a recurring thing every time you walk in a good way

i think in a good way man like you know i don't know i'm You're a specimen. You're a professional athlete. We like to examine all different parts of professional athletes. Like Anders Lee on the New York Islanders, we call them Quadzilla. The guy's got tree trunks for legs. You've got a dump in your trunk. You know what I mean?

You're dragging a wagon. There's nothing to be ashamed about. Has anyone ever told you you've got a thick lower hat? I have heard that, but I mean, I work hard at it. It's not like one of those things that just happened. I mean, it's hours at the gym. Here we go, dude. Squatting like 600 pounds.

bro he's kicked up. It's actually the small, tiny little exercises that are the hardest, you know, like the little band stuff and shit like that. It's usually the squatting is not as hard for me. It works, dude. It fucking works, man. I don't know what it is. We were out of practice around you. I think we were at Tori last year.

Yeah, we were just like, this fucking guy is just double kicked. My pants might be a little tight too. I probably need to go up the size. You know what you're doing. You know. Yeah, that's, you're aware. I mean, you got it. You got a flaw in it.

That's how it works. Did you see, like, how tone. Tony wore those outfits the other day, like on his way to the course. I did see that and I almost said something to him. I was like, what is this? The NBA? Like, we're golfers here. Like, you wear your golf club.

I've never, like, just to put this in perspective, I've never seen Tony Finau show up to the golf course and anything but golf clothes. And then Netflix shows up and he's wearing like, you know, jean jacket shirts and like $2,000 Valenciaga shirts. So I don't know. Well, so we had a huge discussion about this. Like, I was talking with Colin before. the Northern Trust.

And we came up with this idea that he should wear a suit to the Northern Trust because he was taking the ferry over. And I was like, man, these other sports like NBA are able to show off their personality a little bit more. And I know that you guys are golfers. But your generation of golfers are the ones that we like. You guys are regular dudes. Like you just said, like you like to just chill and put the clubs away.

And like you're a real person. You're not like, you're not the prototypical stereotypical stereotypical golfer. And he ended up doing it missed the cut. So maybe the idea was bad. He did end up doing that. I did see that. So I think that there's this trend that maybe I started, and I'm not going to, I'm not fishing for compliments, but like, is that something that you would like participate in where it's like you, I think it's weird that you wear the same thing from your living room to the coffee shop and then to the first tea. Like that, like that's strange.

If I saw you before you around on Sunday, you're going to be wearing the same outfit that I see you on TV. Yeah, exactly. Like that's true. I mean, I would be about it. I think I own like one suit that I bought like 12 years ago. So I wouldn't go suit, but I'd probably go like. you know, sweater and, I mean, I'm more of a chill. So probably like sweater and sweatpants before the round.

And that would be awesome. We'd be like, look at Daniel Berger just showing up like, like this is just a whole home Sunday. And then you go out and win the fucking golf tournament. That'd be amazing. And also, you'd actually be able to utilize these locker rooms at these PGA tour venues build for you guys. What else is the, you guys go in there and what? You like give each other hot fives and you leave. You don't even get dressed.

There's no locker room aspect. Come on. The locker room is kind of a joke. There's usually like golf balls and gloves in your locker. That's about it. You know, we're trying to get this culture, like, just a little bit more vibrant. Come on. I like the idea.

Yeah. I like it. I think he show a little bit more flare. Frankie, you're trying to get this thing spreading, and I respect the gospel. Episode by episode. Just keep a bill. All right, Daniel. Well, look, we appreciate it.

We appreciate the time. Defending Champ. So big week, no pressure out there. You've defended before, right? FedEx. Yeah, FedEx. Won that one. So that would be a cool thing to do here this week.

That'd be real cool. Well, good luck this week. Pabell, sick venue. Play well. Thanks, boys. Appreciate it. Thanks, Dave. Thanks, man.