Fore Play - Kenny G: A Legendary Podcast Guest

Episode Date: November 11, 2021

World-renowned saxophonist Kenny G (01:23:47) joins the show. Perhaps the greatest podcast guest we’ve ever had? Phenomenal Tiger Woods stories. An unreal tale of bold moves that propelled him to stardom. This one is a must-listen. Kenny G's new album, New Standards, is releasing on December 3rd. Pre-save here --> https://found.ee/kennyg_newstandardsYou can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

Hey, Foreplay listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcast, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Foreplay, Preserve my Barstool Sports. We are back as a second show of the week. We're actually recording this on Tuesday because of some upcoming travel. So if we mess up the days, we're not good at this stuff. You know, our brains can't really put things in order particularly well. But we have myself, Trent Frankie.

Lurch is not here on this show. He's doing his other job, I think. But we got a lot to get to. We got segments. Frankie essentially called us out, called me out for not doing segments, even though we decided, what, six months ago? We did a whole show about segments. I pitched segments. We're going to do segments.

And we've pretty much done zero in the last six months, which is probably 50 something shows that we've done with virtually no segments. So we've got some segments for this one, which should be very fun. And then we haven't recorded it yet, but I believe we're going to have a world-renowned saxophonist on the show, Kenny G, who I know nothing about. whatsoever. I don't know what the fuck we're going to ask this guy, but it was pitched us. Do you want this Kenny G. fellow who was a world-renowned saxophonist on the show? And we said, absolutely. We would love to talk to this man. So we'll see kind of how that goes. But are you guys excited for segment time or what? Excited for segment time. Also, very excited for Kenny G. Just maybe the most random person

you can never speak to. I mean, the guy, his music and the way that he was able to I mean, he essentially plays songs with just a saxophone, right? Like, you know Kenny G's songs just from the riff of his saxophone. Right. Is it even a saxophone? It's like a high-pitched little thing that he holds out like a trumpet. I'm pretty sure it's a saxophone. And think about, can anybody in this room or on this podcast name another saxophone player?

No. I will wait. Uh, Bill Clinton. Fuck. All right. But he's also very famous for other things, not being a saxophone player. What I'm trying to say is that it's incredibly difficult to, you know, rise above and get, uh, Charlie Parker.

Why you're, you're Googling it. No, I'm typing. Kenny G. Saxophone, because it's not a real saxophone. It's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a bullshit. Is he a scam artist? Oh, no, yeah. I guess it's like this.

It's hard to become a world famous saxophone. You're going to ask him about this. Frankie? You're going to ask him if it's not real. So we haven't talked to him, so we don't know. It is a saxophone. It's just a tenor saxophone. It's like that high pitch.

one. But when you look at it though, it's like it looks almost like a like a trumpet, like saxophones or at least the saxons I'm used to are like the big ones. You know what I mean? I think if you bring where you go down, he's going to be he's going to find it disrespectful. No. Okay. I don't know what the fuck to talk to him about either. What do we think this guy's like? You think he's, um, you think he's super saxophony, right? Like that's a whole different world than we're pretty broy, I guess. Like I don't really know what we're. like but I feel like he's not like that at all. Kenny G. Fuchs. You ever watch

a video of him play the saxophone? He's got the hair. Oh my God. It's like weird Al Yankovitch but he's like serious. Anyone who plays the saxophone I feel like is super into the saxophone in the moment. Like when you watch Bill Clinton do those riffs, I mean he is Mr. Saxophone whenever he does that.

It's like watching somebody a shred on a guitar. You got to be really into it. But we're going to talk to him on this show, I think. So people find out. We are. This show, for the record, you buy Owens mixers. All right. Great little company partnered with us last year. They've gotten much, much, much bigger. I got transfusion logo on again. We got the transfusion logo on this can, which is literally a transfusion mix that you pour in with vodka and you have an excellent, excellent cocktail, the best golf cocktail ever created. We just mainstreamed it. We made it

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That's a guy who wants to interview Taylor Swift. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. You don't want to interview Taylor Swift? Well, I'm just saying. Good question. Top people on the planet.

Taylor Swift was in your top four? You rattled off a couple of names? She's probably a top. You think she's a top five, like, uh, mega. music star on the planet? Yes. There's like five, right? There's Adele, there's Beyonce, there's Taylor Swift.

These are people who they may not put albums out all that frequently, but when they do, everybody else clears out of the way. Is Adele recency bias? No. Okay. When she puts it out, she fills up the stat sheet in terms of numbers. I get that it might have been a weird answer for me, but I don't think on the larger scale, it's a particularly surprising answer.

I think maybe you could put Ariana Grande in that category. Olivia Rodriguez. No. What? I'm almost not entirely sure of who that is. Drake. Drake is a good one. Drake's up there.

Drake is right. Yeah, there's like five and Taylor Swift is. She, what? She's absolutely up there. You don't know. How many Instagram followers you think Taylor Swift has? Oh, fuck.

Okay. A lot. I'm going to say. This is going to sound weird, but she's got like, Michael Jackson even though Michael Jackson didn't have an Instagram

Well, who's the most followed on Instagram is The Rock and he's got 300 million or something so it can't be higher than that. I'm going to say,

I'm going to say 175 for Taylor Swift Instagram followers. I'm not looking at up. Ronaldo has significantly more than The Rock. Does he? Yeah,

Ronaldo almost has 100 million more followers in the rock. I could have swore I thought that he was the most followed person on Instagram. I read that one headline a week ago or something.

She's got 183 million followers. You're very close. I said 175. Incredibly close. Incredibly close. Adele's got 43. You just put recency bias. No, people.

You're getting your little, you're getting your little Iowa cornhole fucking panties in a bunch because she's about to release a new fucking album and everyone's squealing about it. You go look at streaming numbers. If you looked at streaming numbers for when Adele drops, it's a problem for everybody else. Olivia Rodriguez, only 18 million. Yeah, I don't even really know what that person is. I do know that song. But essentially what we're saying,

I don't think the Taylor Swift pick is as crazy as Frankie does. Also, again, I think she's a strong, opinionated, independent woman that just would give you interesting answers. And so I picked her out. And I also, if we're being honest, which I recently watched the documentary of hers on Netflix that came out like last year. How was it? She's top of mind, if you will.

It was good. It was very good. Congratulations to Andrew Bryan. So I was scrolling through our Facebook group earlier today. He wrote, we decided to play cherries today. Didn't expect it to end on the seventh hole. He got an ace in the seventh hole. Oh, no way.

Congrats. I wonder if people are playing cherries a lot. I get a lot of tweets about it. Really? A lot of tweets and a lot of Instagram DMs about it. So I think people are playing. It's a good game. And I noticed, I did say,

see a lot, especially when we released a video, of people that made their own versions of it. So, like, maybe they fix whatever we messed up or we didn't include, but it is a fun game. That's the beer pong effect. Yeah. You have, like, a set, you know, set set of rules, a set set of rules. And then you just kind of build off whatever you want to do on your own with your own guys. It's a good game. Do you think there are any big time sports or games now that if they were created now,

would have some significant rules changes because they just evolved without anyone really putting a ton of thought and effort into it. The reason that I bring this up is because I'm a big believer of that in basketball. I think like the whole following back and forth for the last two, three minutes of the game, I think if they intentionally could think through,

they would have come up with a different solution because I think that that seems just like an outlier for the whole game. Like you play, you have flow back and forth, and all of a sudden there's like this loophole where you just foul, foul, foul, foul, and free throws all of a sudden become massive, and it kills the flow of the game. And my belief is that, I mean, it is what it is.

And everybody's used to it. But as someone who came into a basketball fandom a little bit later, that it's just a preposterous way to play and finish a game, in my opinion. It is a slog at the end when it becomes a free throw contest. That's what I mean. Yeah, and I don't know how they would fix it. I don't know what the solutions would be. Minimize timeouts.

What do you mean? Or like, do it kind of like if they don't. use all their timeouts. Do they already do that? If they don't use all of their... Oh, no, it's not timeouts. What am I trying to say here? There's got to be something you can do.

Is it like... Oh, because when you have a certain amount of fouls, you go into the bonus. So just like... Yeah. Increase that number. Don't make a bonus. But then they're just going to keep fouling.

More. Just to stop the clock. Like, you're not going to send the guy to the line, that was my point. Like eliminate sending the guy to the line. Yeah. Then it's over. Yeah, but then you could just be fouling nonstop and that's just,

that just ruins the entire game of basketball because then why wouldn't you just foul someone in general? Because if there's no penalty to fouling. There's really not, like Rick said, there's really not anything like it in sport where like you're almost playing the system and it slows it down. The end of a game should be the most exciting fast part. That's what I mean. And in any other sport, like in hockey or in soccer, for example,

people bitch about big games coming down to like shootouts because it's not really reflective of the overall game. And then I would say and same with football. People bitch about like the field goal, you know, like kickers all the sudden determining games, even though it has nothing really to do with like the overall kind of larger framework of the game. Whereas in basketball, it's not like it's an over like a special condition in overtime. It's like the whole game you go back and forth, you run your offense against their defense and zone. you do all this stuff. And then like the last two or three minutes,

all of a sudden it becomes a totally different game about making foul shots, which is, again, it just seems off to me as a relatively new fan of basketball. Bring up a lot of good points and I don't know how to fix it. Yeah, and it's, I don't even think it necessarily ruins it. It just changes it so much from what you watch

for the first three and a half quarters that it's very surprising to me. Got to make a free throws. You got to make your fucking free throws. You have to. Okay. Congrats to Andrew Bryan. who got an ace.

We have a couple talking points that we're going to get to the segments. Speaking of gambling, I just have to mention that the Chicago Bears got completely fucked last night. Did you guys watch this game last night? Yeah, I saw this.

We just talked about this on the rundown. And by the way, we're wearing our Christmas sweaters because we just released them today. You guys are on the rundown? Yeah, two of us. Yeah. Hey, good job, boys.

With Kevin Clancy. Yeah. We're a rag-tag crew. But I, you know, you're watching this on Thursday, on YouTube and you're listening to this in your ears on Thursday, you probably, if you did not get your sweater, you missed out on the 20% off, but, you know, they're still on the store. I'm telling you right now, from the numbers that we see from our end, people are buying ugly sweaters.

Oh, yeah. They are understanding that you have parties coming up, the way shipping works, the way, like, we have to make these sweaters. We have to get, like, you're going to need a little bit of time to get these sweaters, and you're going to need to plan in advance. do not be the fucking asshole that doesn't plan for your party that you're going to need to wear an ugly sweater to people are planning man i mean these things are flying like hot cakes is that the is that the term they're selling like hot cakes they're selling like hot cakes and you know what the number one

sweater on the store is regs as of i do know but i want but i want you to tell me like i wanted you to tell me because i know that you want to tell the other listeners who are listening like i'm listening as of tuesday november at nine at two o'clock p.m. because we're recording this segment on Tuesday Santa Claus Reading the Green with his fucking catty elf is the number one sweater on the store and that just goes to show that Santa sells man people want a golf ugly sweater to wear to their party

to show their buddies that they like golf they like Christmas they like Santa and it's all combined into one sweater go to our store and check this thing out it's a sick design people are purchasing it they want it it really has nothing to do with like your allegiance to this podcast Who designed that? Who designed that? I did.

It has nothing to do with your allegiance to the podcast or barstool in general. It's just a cool fucking hoodie. I mean, a sweater. I would buy that no matter what store I was in. If I saw Santa kneeling down reading a green with the little green ball in front of him with his elf behind him. Are you kidding me? Also, we're about to release a picture of us promoting it. That'll probably come out by the time this podcast comes out because I saw them.

They're sewing my outfit together. We're doing that. Oh, yeah. Okay. We're doing it. They don't know what we're talking about. What are you guys doing? We're going to recreate the picture.

They're making a little elf outfit for me in the office. Oh, good. So hopefully that comes out by the time this audio comes out. All right. No, that shit. Yeah, no problem. Yeah, you're right. Go to store-uparsalsports.

com. Check out the ugly sweaters, particularly ours because it helps us and they're cool when you're going to wear them. And you'll be a talking point. It'll be great. But the Bears, Chicago Bears got completely fucked last night. So the main reason I'm bringing up Arsenal is. So anytime I'm back here in town in my apartment, I get to fire that puppy up and have fun with it.

I've been red hot, so I started doing the thing where I've been tweeting out my picks a little bit last night. I picked the over and the Rangers Florida Panthers game, five and a half, hit with like a minute and a half left. Bang. So then people are like, what are you on next? I wasn't going to bet Bair's Money Line when they were down 14 to 3 very early in the third quarter. They were 10 to 1 to win. Well, they come back. I think there's going to be a legitimate investigation into what the hell was going on because the one ref was legit, hip check the fucking guy.

And then after that, he did the, you know, he did like the three point. You know, he held the pose after he threw the flat. It was preposterous. It was like he was the bell of the ball all of a sudden. And he's a fucking referee out there officiating. So they stole, literally stole basically the game for the Chicago Bears because the Steelers were not going to be in field goal range. That changed the entire thing. They're able to kick the field goal, which changed the whole game in the last couple of minutes.

And they win, they end up going out, winning by whatever, two points. So Chicago Bears got completely. fucked last night. Luckily, that was just like a 10 to 1. We were sprinkling a little bit of money on it. But nothing makes you more infuriated about refereeing than when you start getting into the responsibly the Barstow sports book gambling game. And I have never seen, never seen a team get more fucked than that to the point where like Stewards fans were tweeting out like, holy shit, I'll even admit that this is preposterous what's going on. So it was infuriating. I feel bad for Bears fans. I do hate the Chicago Blackhawks as a St. Louis person. And I do hate,

the Chicago Cubs. But in terms of the Bears, we don't have an NFL team in St. Louis. Stan Cranky can go fuck himself. So Bears, I'm fine with. And they got screwed last night. And so all the Chicago listeners out there, I would like to say, you know, we feel for you and you got fucked last night. Another thing I'd like to mention.

Austin Pitchin' Puts, this thing, Butler Pitchin Puts. So the city of Austin was there for a wedding last weekend. Yesterday, four of our guys. Joel Damon, Harold Varner, the third. Pat Perez, and Harry Higgs did a little. charity kind of they raise a bunch of money playing a skins game. I think it was skins on this little nine hole pitch and put par three course that's like right in the heart of Austin. And I was actually there on Saturday randomly with a bunch of my family. Every city should have a place like this.

We've been really high on par three courses on this show forever. But this thing had like it's, you know, it is it is muni central. It's literally surrounded by roads and you can see the high rise like condos and apartment complexes all around you. And then right smack dab and then middle of it, they have like this tiny little clubhouse with just coolers full of drinks. And then they have like a drink truck out there. They had like cornhole. They had a couple TVs under like a tiny little awning. And then just nine holes packed in that were like 50, 60, 70 yards.

One of them was maybe like 105. And I would, I would go to my greatest thing. If every city in the world had a course like this, golf would be 10 times bigger because it just takes all of the shitty parts about golf, all of the stress, all of the intimidation. combination completely out of it. People were out there in jeans, shorts, t-shirts, sandals, whatever, slapping it around. Every T-box, they recently redid it over the last, like, year. Made it a little bit nicer, but every T-box was that, that, like, perfectly flat, basically, like, astro-turf that had the combination of the fairway version and then, like, the really light,

rough version around it, so you could pick, like, you either hit out of the beautiful, super-flat, turfy stuff or you hit out of the little fluffier stuff. And it was just perfect. So my thing is that any city, anybody out there who could promote or help or advocate for more of these types of courses around the world, absolutely should because golf will be way bigger. If anybody's in Austin or visiting Austin, go to the Butler Pitchin' Putt because it's awesome. Totally.

We have pitch and puts on Long Island. And up until going to these par three courses at these resorts like Pinehurst and when we were at the baths and stuff like that. Like I've never been introduced to a par three course like that. So I always had the idea that pitch and putts and these mini courses were just training courses for people learning how to play the game of golf, right? Like you would, there's one here on Long Island called Caniac. And like that's where everyone goes to learn.

Everyone's wearing jeans. They're wearing like flip flops. You only need a couple clubs of longest holes like 250 par four. So like you really, you're going to smack the ball around out there. What I think that they should do and pivot to, Is this resort style par three atmosphere where like you're saying, like get the TVs out there, get the drinks out there, throw out the turf or put the turf out there, let guys start spinning balls around and you're not going to have all these chunks and all these bad shots.

Like you can bring the girlfriend, the wife there who's trying to learn the game and go out there with you. Like they have the land already. Like why don't you go out there and just kind of make it like the cradle? You just need to make a couple changes where for just the aesthetic and the fun, like get the cornhole bags out there. And it really would drive so much more traffic as opposed to it being that like shitty municipal like really dog shit fucking. And I'm not shitting on Kaniak, but like no one wants to go play there when you can just go play any other place. Right.

Right. And like this, what I was amazed by, Frankie, was like how little land this little pitching putt actually took up. Like it didn't, it didn't take up anything. It was like it almost felt like any little city town in the world could build something like this pretty easily because of how little. little room it took up. The holes kind of just went back and forth and they were like a little puzzle piece right in there. And then like you said, it was, you know, the main little clubhouse if you guys like a little shed. But it was like nice and sort of like artfully done to a degree where they kept it simple. They weren't trying to be like fancy. It was just a simple, functional area.

But it was like up on the top of this hill where again they had cornhole. They had a pretty big little putting green where people were like putting and chipping. And then all the holes kind of like fell. off of this hill for the most part so you could see all around you just golfers everywhere there were foursums sixs um eightsums that were out there just slapping it around you had people that you could tell had never played golf for in the life and then you had people like my cousins out through played like college golf and everything in between and the greens were pretty diabolical and it was just awesome and it made it very clear like you were saying that this is more of the direction that golf should go because if you're trying to be some 18 whole like championship

course that clearly isn't and that sucks. You go in this direction. It's going to be better for golf. You're going to get a lot more people interested in it. And it's just more fun. Like if you're going to go play an 18-hole course, you, like you're saying,

you want it to be nice. You're probably going to seek out something that's pretty nice. Or it's in great condition. It's got a good reputation. You're probably not going to go to the dog shit spot so that dog shit spot can stand out elsewhere by doing something like this. And it just, it was just awesome.

It was fun. It makes me want to try to like figure out a way to build one in St. Louis, like my hometown, because it just added so much character. It was like it was awesome. Yeah, there's all these simulators going up now and there's all these top golfs going up now. But we have the land on some of these municipal golf courses like you're just saying. I mean, it's a no-brainer.

I mean, it's already there. The hole's already there. You've just got to do a little bit, you've got to put a little bit of money into it to change some layout and really just add the entertainment aspect. And I really think like, dude, an investment group should pick up all of these little pitch and puts around the country and turn it into like, the next top golf. They really should. It should be a thing where like every single pitch and put gets turned into whatever the name would end up being. I mean, we should just do this, right? Like the land we're just going to do this. I'm not kidding. Like, we're just going to do this. We're just going to find like whatever it is, fucking 10 acres or whatever the fuck you need and just make

a sick little pitch and put in every city in the country. Right. And then it'll be a no brainer. And then no matter where you are, it's going to be the same thing, but you can style it to the city, right? You can like have the different things. You can have the different drinks based off the city. I mean, come on. What are we doing here? And then once we, once we crush that, we're going to move on to the resort. Right. Because we need to make a golf resort. We definitely need to. We're going to make a golf resort too. You're right. That's definitely on our list. I'm trying to showcase this to you guys of the like this little, this little truck that they had in there. This is where they had like drinks, you know. Oh my God. My cousin has that truck.

It's a little Japanese truck. They drive those all around Japan. They sell them now. These things are fucking selling like hotcakes. Yep. And we put a little pizza truck on the back. We put a little pizza oven on the back of that thing. It's the coolest thing I've ever seen. He drives on the right side of the truck. Okay.

But he drives it on our side of the road, the right side of the road. So it's a nightmare. He's in the passenger seat driving in the side that we're all driving in. That's got to fuck up your room. But dude, he, like, rigged it with all, like, Christmas lights and the fucking woodfire pizza ovens on the back. And he's got refrigeration underneath it. It's all compact.

And it's all customized with the logo. on it, the Carbonaro pizza logo. He's the one that started the Detroit style pizza at Borrelis. Gotcha. And he's also doing our new food truck, which we just got our pizza truck, which is something to look forward to for Borrelli's. But man, dude, those things are awesome. Yeah.

And they're not that expensive. And you can customize the shit out of them to do anything. So that's going to be our thing. Those little Japanese, I forget the brand it is, but the little Japanese cars, those things are fucking great. Dude, little touches like that. It just makes it, it sends a message of like, no, no, you're not here to be serious. We're here to have a good time.

Enjoy yourself. It spices it up. It's just, it's so money in the bank. So keep a lookout now for our new Pitch and Pitch and Put Company that we're going to create around the country and around the world where we just do this. We basically make like the cradle, but instead of a fancy resort like Piner's, we just put it in the middle of cities around the country. We might have to cut this out of the podcast so people don't steal our idea. Say three years we'll have one up. You think shorter?

That's a good. Yeah, I mean, I would. Year and a half. Year and a half. Wow. Where would we start? Cedar Rapids, Iowa. You got to start in a hotbed, right?

Like where a lot of our fans are. I mean. Cedar Rapids, Iowa. Again, Cedar Rapids, Iowa. You know what I think a good one could be? Would be Chicago. Chicago would be a great one. Any of, yeah, I'm trying to think.

Chicago would be a good one. Yeah, any of our big ones, Philly, New York. Like, I mean, yeah. You're just listing big cities now, which is what we're doing, which is probably good Cedar Rapids doesn't make that list, I don't think. ORA. ORA provides digital security protection to keep your online finances, personal information, and tech safe from online threats.

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Did you guys see this? Did you guys see this? I don't believe this. Pretty good. Thanks. The European Tour, starting in 2022, will rebrand as the DP World Tour in a deal that is set to double the total prize money to more than $200 million. Well, first thing I think.

think about as double penetration. What, um, I mean, what are we talking about? David Portnoy. Sure, but the DP World Show, what is it called? DP World Tour. Holy smokes. And they're getting, and they're going to have, the purses are going to be way bigger. Is that what you said?

So European Tour chief executive Keith Pelley said there will be a minimum prize fund of $2 million for each tournament. Prize money, uh, north of 200 million for the season compared to, 104 million in 2021 and 70 million in 2020. What does the DP stand for? Double penetration, I think. That's what they did. They decided that that's what they were going to do.

They wanted to make a splash. We're talking two penile in one hole. That's what they just rebranded to. And honestly, the European tour was already branded perfectly. European tour. It's the tour over in Europe. That's the one that those guys do over in Europe. There's a tour of golfers.

They play in Europe. It's called the Euro. European tour. There was a very easy way to distinct which tour they were in. Were they in the PGA tour over here? Or were they in the European tour? Now, you don't know what the fucks. The, what is it called? The DP World Tour. Doesn't feel right. It doesn't feel real. I'm trying to find what DP is. DP World, a provider of global smart end-to-in supply chain and logistics solutions headquartered in Dubai. So they sold out. So they sold out. Well, they did sell out. Yeah. It's like, yeah, this is the person that they're going to represent and they're going to give them a bunch of money to do that.

I already missed the European tour. So that's like a PGA tour rebranding to the Heineken tour or something like that? Yeah. Yeah. That's fucking pathetic. They got great social media though. They do, but you're going to name your tour, your league. It's not the Major League Baseball League anymore.

It's called the Pampers Body Wipes League. What are we talking about? Do you think eventually everything will go that way? I don't know. I've never heard of a league being sponsored. They first started doing it with stadiums where it's like... Have you ever heard of league being sponsored? I'm sure I have.

Yeah, like the... Fuck. Well, I wouldn't say leagues, but like in golf tournaments, like big tournaments, right? And you haven't seen it yet on the PGA tour, but I think eventually you will. But like the LPGA, you know, they have like the, their major tournaments are spot. They have sponsors. Like the British, is it like the AI? IG Women's Open or something.

Yeah, I've seen that. I was thinking of, you'll probably know it about that. So the do tour, skateboarding. That's what I was thinking of. It's a Mountain Dew Tour. So if you're a professional skateboarder, uh-huh. Your league is the Dutour.

Yeah, the Mountain Dutour. That's the old, okay. What about like the 18th? It just reminds me of Dan Soder, where he's like, he didn't know, there's that joke that Dan Soder says, where he says, I didn't know that anyone, that I grew up with had an accent until I watched the X games.

Oh, yeah. I want to shout out all my sponsors. Mountain Dew. Yeah, that's right. It's the due tour. And that one's old. That one's been around forever. But that's the only thing I could think of.

No, I don't think the major four, the four major sports will ever, ever do that. I mean, and I feel like I'm in, I'm in the money on that one. Like, I feel like it would be an extreme upset if the national hockey league turned into the New Amsterdam League, right? or something. There's just no way. I'd say the major four are pretty safe. They're pretty safe.

I mean, they've been through world wars. They've been, I mean, I think that they can get through anything. I think someday we'll see it. No way. Nope. I'll be a long time,

but I think someday we'll see it. Sunday will explode the day before. Yeah, but people said that about putting sponsorship, sponsorships on jerseys. Sponsorships. But that is, they make,

teams make money in every way they can. I could, my tongue is twisted. Want to seeps? My tongue is twist. You might just tuck you to bed and read you a nighttime story. I'm not throwing a sponsorship here. My asshole is on fire.

We'll talk about that later though. I think we have to give a warning before I start talking about that. I think we'll see it. I know it sounds crazy, but if a sponsor comes to, you know, the NHL and says, like, we'll give you a billion dollars over 10 years to just be called the National Car Rental. I think there's a day when they say yes to that. Nope.

Can't. It is what it is. That's why it's stunning that the European Tour did this. Like that is what the Tour. Like the European Tour, you can't change the name of that. That is what it is. You then get... Double penetration world.

You get DP World to do something else, whether it's their championship over there. Right. You think you could bring it into the fold in a different way, as opposed to representing the entire tour. Maybe I'm just a sick fuck, a sick puppy, but every time I hear DP World, I'm picturing nightmares. I mean, I'm picturing just, you know what I'm saying. I know, yeah. You know, I've been on the internet. Just, you know, it's like two guys, just two people try to enter the door at the same time. I've scrolled the same website you have. I've been on unsavory websites before, Frank. Sometimes you just can't avoid them when you're going through those puppies. We, we went through this

same conundrum with the Barstool Classic. It was originally like, are we going to offer up to potential title sponsors just they get it would just be the truly tour we eventually were like no like we're going to do barstall classic presented by it truly um but it was the same conundrum it's like well if it's going to cost x amount are we crazy to turn away the money but then is the branding of it you know watered down because we don't have our own title so i i get it to a degree but i didn't even think about the fact that it does go from its own historic title the name of the league to just they just threw it away to a sponsor the DP World Tour. Major leagues will never do that.

They can't. They can't, dude. They'll never do it. It'll never be the... I think they will. I think they will. Major League will never be the Budweiser League. It's just...

It's over then. Then it's over. It's over. The league is over. That's that... They have that, like, like, the Cactus League, right? That's like the spring training.

That's the name for the spring training division, I feel like, in... For baseball, for the Western teams. the guys that play in Arizona. There's no way they would ever change the full. They wouldn't even change that to a sponsor. They won't change the full name of the league. Get out of here. Get out of here.

I think the more you talk about it, the more you're convincing yourself that they actually... No, I can barely even formulate a sentence because it's so stupid. I can't believe that the European tour did it. Like, that's a stupid thing to do, in my opinion. Because now people are going to be confused. There's going to be this weird period of time where it's like, the DP World Tour, which now I can't.

I can actually this. Who does it affect negatively? The league. I don't care how much money they got. I'd rather them not, I'd rather them cease to exist. All the players are going to make more money. All the players are going to make more money.

The league's making more money. The DP double penetration company is getting more exposure. So who is it affecting negatively? Us, I guess. Yeah. I think it negatively affects the league over, over a long period of time. You lose the history.

You lose what it is. It's identity. They've lost their identity. we or we'll just call it the european tour forever and it's just an absolute waste of a fucking name like like there's no way anyone's going to call that the dp tour maybe obviously in 20 years people could be used to it but that's just a goddamn shame that it'll no longer be the european tour and then what happens when like dp world just goes out of business and they can't afford that the name rights anymore are they just going to change the name again it's just going to

be ever that dub i feel like dubai can't go out of business like dubai just had you know they're printing money over there. Speaking of double penetration, I singly, I want to give people the chance to be able to turn it off if you don't want to listen to this, right? Maybe a 10 second buffer of me

just warning you. Yeah. I'm about to talk about some nasty shit. Yeah, that's safe. Yeah. Have we, have we, has enough time passed just now? Yeah.

Do you, do you have a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, estimation as to how long this will go so people can skip forward to post your discussion. I'll try and keep it to one to two minutes. Okay. So five minutes. I'll try to keep one to two minutes.

Basically yesterday, we were on lowering the bar with Vibs. And, you know, usually it starts with something simple, right? Like all these shows start with something simple where you put your hand in something gooey. Or you touch a tarantula and you're like, what is that? is that a lollipop? No, it's a fucking human ball sack. And you're like, ah, and everything's all funny. But now I think he's gotten so many views,

and it's been for so many weeks. He does it every Thursday. That now it's like, can we kill these guys? It's like, can we put something in their bodies in front of them that they just dropped dead? And that's what happened yesterday. That I almost died for the sake of lowering the bar by Vibs. And I know I'm already going long.

It's not going to be two minutes. It's going to be 10 minutes. No, you're doing good. Yesterday we ate the One Chip Challenge. Yeah. Paki, whatever the name is, it's got a fucking skull on it. It's the hottest pepper flakes you could possibly find. The chip comes in a coffin.

It comes in a coffin. It's 1.6 to 2.4, whatever the number is, Scoville level, right? So it's a Carolina Reaper pepper mixed with some other type of pepper that they combine these things for the 2021 version of the One Chip challenge. It comes in a coffin. So I'm watching people 07 we got here. Yep. Tommy Smokes does it.

He's crying. He's puking. He's walking around. He's literally shivering. He looked like he just got out of like the hospital. His shirt doesn't fit him anymore. So I'm like, I'm not doing this fucking thing.

There's no chance. I did the gummy bear challenge. Last year was called like the nitro gummy bear or something like that. And it ruined me for a long time. But I got over it. Like I didn't really have the shit. I didn't have to puke. It would definitely hurt.

I mean, there's pictures of me crying. when I'm doing it because I get very emotional. I freak out. I scream. Does that surprise you, Trent? Nope. No, okay.

So yesterday I sit there for the challenge. I'm nervous. I already felt nauseous. I was dehydrated. I was lightheaded, but I did it anyway. And it's a huge tortilla chip, dude. Huge. This is no fucking little gummy bear.

It's a big tortilla chip. I think someone said it's one that you'd be happy to get at a Mexican restaurant. Like you'd be like, oh, shit. They're really serving some tortilla chips here. That's a good way to describe it. And I was like, all right, do I bite into the side and risk getting it on like the lips? You know, like if you like only bite one half and then you bite the other half, now it's all over your lips. Dude, this thing was so filled with zest cake that every time you tapped it with your finger, your whole finger turned orange.

You couldn't believe how much pepper was on this thing. So I decided, well, someone gave me the fucking, someone gave me the strategy to come. cut all the pieces up of the tortilla chip and stack them like pancakes like fucking Swedish pancakes. Oh, no. Right? So I just take this whole stack of fucking the, the hottest goval level peppers you could possibly get on this chip.

And I just crunched them all my mouth, compacted them, chewed them for probably five to 10 minutes. I couldn't swallow them because it got so hot. When I tell you, the feeling that I had in my head, it felt like my brain was going to explode. Like there was a time. How much time have I been talking about? by the way.

A couple minutes. Okay. Right there. 30 seconds. Okay. I felt like my brain was going to combust. Halfway through, I said, I don't know if I can do this. Then, so I'm drinking milk.

I'm screaming for ice. I don't know what. And by the way, this is on lowering the bar today when this comes out so you can go watch this. And you watch me almost die. To the point where I knew the, I knew the result, but I didn't know the process. It's almost like I'm watching a prequel. right now. I'm drinking the milk. I'm freaking the fuck out.

Dude, and when you're in it like that, you don't realize how, realize how much milk you're drinking. I must have drank five to six glasses of milk in a 25 second period. You're just constantly, you're, you're gargling milk. And it's lukewarm. It's fucking horrendous. Then I start puking because the heat and all this stuff happens to me. In the midst of me puking and and freaking out. I'm rubbing my face. I'm rubbing my face. I'm rubbing my eyes.

So now the pepper's in my eyes. It's around my eyes. It's in my nose. My eyes start to close. Like I was fucking stung by a billion bees. I looked at Vibs and I screamed help. Like because I had no other way out. I thought death was imminent.

I really did. It was one of the first times, maybe the first time that I've seen Vibs get nervous about what was going on. Like normally he knows it's going to be okay. like we freak out because something's really spicy or whatever. I saw legit concern in Jeff Vibbert's eyes that Frankie was going to die. And you'll watch this video. I know I'm over exaggerating a lot of the time and I know that I'm over the top and I'm crazy and all these things.

My reactions are insane. That's just who I am. But when you watch this video, you're going to know that this was not fucking fake. I puked 10 times. Like massive amounts of puked came out of me. I couldn't control my body. And I think I'm fucking allergic to that pepper. I mean, I think everyone is.

Everyone has a reaction. It's like get this out of my body. Yours was worse than everybody else. Bro, my face blew up. I looked like, I looked like Shane Gillis. Right. You looked,

it appeared like somebody beat your face in with a crowbar like 12 hours ago. Well, what's the potion? What's the potion? The polymers potion. What does Harry take to not look like Harry when he's in the woods? Polymers potion? You're not going to get that out of me.

Is it polymers? Polymers. Polyjuice. Poly juice? Poly juice. It says, Polyjuice potion was a potion. allowed the drinker to assume the form of someone else. Right.

So I don't know if that's the, so that's when they did, that's when Hermione became the cat by accident, right? So I'm trying to think if that was the same potion that Harry took when he was in the forest where he looked like all like demented and his like eyes were all swollen. That's what I looked like.

I looked like Harry when he was in the fucking forest in, in Deathly Hollows. I think it was part one or maybe part two. Do we have any answer? I'm looking it up. I got a good picture right now. Trying to get it in front of you guys, but I can't get it from like,

potion to this. I don't know if it was a potion actually. I think it might have been Hermione did it. It wasn't a potion. I think it was a wand thing. A spell. Oh, here's a good one. Hold on. What do you have on your phone? You know what I have a phone. No, you can't, dude, bro. I can't have that. You know, I can't. Is it like this one here? No, dude. I'm telling you, bro, when they're in the forest and kind of looks like your face though. Kind of looks like it. I wish I had more information to help you guys, but like, I like Harry Potter, but I don't know everything about it. Hermione fired off a stinging jinx directly into Harry's face when they were accosted by snatchers.

The resulting swelling disfigured his face too much to be unrecognizable. The spell may have been related to the stinging hex, which Harry inadvertently fired at Snape during oculumency lessons. Okay, that's what happened to me. All right. Dude, I looked exactly like Harry in that scene. My eyes started to close. my lips were exploding. This isn't even the worst part.

Let me tell you guys. This isn't even the worst part. All right, I'm walking around the office. I'm feeling a little bubbly in my stomach. Everyone's talking about, oh, wait until it comes out of you. If it was that bad going in, wait until it comes out. When I tell you guys what happened to me last night, I'm sitting there. I'm laying down watching fucking Monday night football.

I'm just having a grand old time. I'm talking about what happened to me a day. I got the lady next to me. the new fiance. I'm like, we're talking about everything. And I'm like, I'm like,

holy fuck. Holy fuck, something's coming. Something's coming. Right? It was like a demon who was marching to my asshole. An angry mob with on, don,

don, don, don, right to the rim of my fucking butthole. And when I tell you, this thing came screaming out, dude, I'm sitting on the toilet and I started yelping. Wah!

Ha! And I'm like this. And I'm standing up. I'm shitting. Dude, I had to lift the toilet seat up because I needed more room to be able to move around. This is disgusting. I know. I'm sorry.

Dude, the burning sensation. The pepper exited me. The burning sensation on the rim of my dirt star was so painful that I screamed out. to, to, I screamed out to the old lady, get me ice. And I'm screaming. I have the shower on. The shower's on as cold as possible. I'm sticking my ass in the shower as I'm still pop, probably shitting.

A giant bidet? Dude, then I get the ice. She, she opens the door. I have no clothes on. And I'm like, I'm like, get out of here. I'm a monster. You can't see me like this. I'm a monster.

Not before you walk. down the aisle. So now I have ice cubes that I'm now penetrating myself with. I am taking ice cubes and I'm sticking them up my asshole with my finger still attached to them. I never in my life have I ever felt anything like that. Dude, it felt like you were one of the people that fast forwarded five minutes. That's just came into that. That's exactly what I was thinking. Somebody from five minutes just jumped in like I was told that this was going to be over and now I'm hearing about dirt stars. I was lied to. I was lied to. I'm going to finish it now. And I'm going to finish it now. All I'm going to say is it felt like the bottom of my body was melting.

It did. It felt like it was melting. And I've had like stomach issues for the past couple months where like I can't get my stool to the point where I wanted to get it. I think I'm eating too much shit. I'm eating too much Chipotle. I'm eating too much mo's. I'm just not like I'm not healthy right now. So that mixed in with this demon pepper that came out of me, boy, oh boy, was it bad.

And it happened all night long, all night. But that scene, man, that scene in that bathroom was. something that I never want to recreate ever. I'd rather die, I think. Someone said, would you take that pepper again today? Would you take that chip? I said, you'd have to give me $50,000. So at 9.35 p.m. Eastern Standard Time, you tweeted inside of my stomach right now, which is essentially a giff of the surface of the sun boiling and exploding over 13 minutes later at, I believe, 9.48 p.m. Eastern Standard Time. You tweet. my butthole will never recover from this.

Dude, when I tweeted that. So you were confirmed in one. Dude, when I tweeted that, the bubbling of the lava, that was when it first hit me where I was like, oh, no. Because I felt something coming. And then that's exactly right. 13 minutes later. 13 minutes of suffering and chaos. 13 hilarious minutes later.

Dude, it was, it was bad. The moans and the groans. I can only imagine being on the other side of that bathroom. Me hearing what was going on inside. And to open the door and see me like that with my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my arse up in the air, just getting cold water poured on it. If you guys can get through that, you can get through anything. Yeah, we can get through. Yeah, that was a big moment.

So, yeah, that's it. That's my story. That's my anus, an untold story. So I watched all of that happen. I was standing. You watched me? No, no, the stuff that happened at the office, I watched that happen. And then I was preferable to, you know, the other.

You didn't watch me rim my ass all with an ice cube. I did not see that part of it. But I watched. your initial reaction to it and then I went next so I only ate half of the chip and I had about half of the you dropped to your knees too I did drop to my knees it's hot like there's no denying I forgot that I dropped that that that chip brought this man this this burly thick man to his knees it fucks you up man that onslaught of heat because you go from your mouth is having a normal day to it is now engulfed in a volcanic fire and you're just

not ready for that. But like I said, I only ate half, so I didn't have as bad of a reaction, like, post. But even I, who only ate half of the chip, woke up in the middle of the night last night, like, my insides are on fire. And, like, I don't know what to do about it except sit on the pot and hope for the best. Like, that's all you can do. So I can't imagine, like Tommy, Frankie, Fidelberg, Glennie. They all ate the full chip.

They had different reactions to varying degrees. Like, Glennie ate the chip, ate one. donut afterwards and was like, I'm fine. He also said he likes the sensation of diarrhea. He did say that. He's like, if he could get that once a month or once a week, he'd love it. So our guy, Garrett, who's our meme guy, horrible name, great guy. He just put that together.

Yeah, that's it. That's it. That's it. I look exactly like him. It's scary how much I look like him. That's the Harry Potter thing. Yeah, dude, it's bad, dude. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. And I was screaming. I was screaming for life, for my life. I shouldn't even bring it up, but I have a picture of my phone that Frankie will not allow me to share or show anyone. I mean, it's just an unfair. That's fair. That's fair.

There's already, I've already tweeted out the pictures. I'm the one. And then people are saying I'm balding, but I had had hair. I'm not balding. I should, I was not balding. I'll show you. I'm not, if I just move the hair around, I just have a calic. You got nice hair.

There's no bald there. There ain't balding. No. You got nice. Nicer hair than you lead on. You know, usually. Did you guys know what's called a cowlick? Cowlick?

Really? I thought it was a calic. But that's on your hand? Calis. Calis. I always thought it was a calic. Calus is on your hands. But you callic, but you say it calic, right?

Not like calic. Yeah, but when I went to go spell it out, it's cowlick. Yeah, but you just shorten it. Calic. Yeah. All right. That's story time. I'm sorry to everybody.

Listen, if you want to come here and listen for golf talk, you're going to also get some bleeding. anus talk from Riggs during golf trips. You're going to get some explosive, explosive demon diary out of me. It is what it is, man. This is just our lives. It's our podcast. We get to talk about our lives.

This show is about us. It's about golf. It's not about the PJ tour. It's about us. It's foreplay. And you know, you can look into that however much you want, you know. So when Frankie eats a demon chip, he's going to talk about it. I'm going to talk about it.

I'm sorry. You could talk a lot of, you could tie a lot of things into that episode, forward play. You know, a little forward play going on with your anus. And then bam, you got the full experience. First time I really stuck anything up there too, which is crazy. How'd you feel? Well, it was a sense of relief, so it felt great. Could open some doors.

Who knows? Nice ice cube. What's the next? You know? Fit. Black rifle coffee. God. This show sucks, dude.

Dude, what is this show, man? I don't know. My dad listens to this show, man. Oh, yeah. And Ricks' mom listens to every episode. She's sweet lady. She just had a birthday, you know. Happy birthday. I'm sorry. Her and my sister, happy birthday to them.

But no, they get a good kick out of you. They think you're very funny, Frankie. I'm sure they're going to enjoy that. Yeah, I guess my parents and sisters don't listen, but they like you more than they like me. You know, I really just hope people realize that I didn't try. I didn't try and freak out like that. Because I think I just got a text from Tommy saying Casey Smith took it and just said nothing happened. Really?

So like, you know, and I don't want to be compared. Like, oh, Frank, you over exaggerated. Listen to the noises that I puke 10 times. You can't control vomit. I can't just like vomit to be dramatic. I don't know how to do that. No, and that's when I knew too. Because, you know, you are, you're animated.

You're an animated person. And that's just part of your personality. But like, when you are actually throwing up into the garbage can, that's when I was like, oh, he's like actually going through it. Like you can't just pretend and fake that. I mean, you can, but not in that. You'll see the video. you were fully in it. And it was just going horribly.

Two to three minutes. How much did I said it was only two to three minutes? 17 minutes. All right. No way. Yeah, bro. My time right here starts a Frankie asshole talk. Three 15.

All right. We have a, we have like a foundation point now. It's like how much, it's like how much gravity is on the moon. It's like a, it's like, no,

it's kind of like a concussion test. Like now we have our baseline. We know going forward. We could, this is, if we think something's going to be two minutes, we're usually about eight to nine times longer than we think. That sounds about right. I said three minutes and we went 17.

Yeah. That's also a good look behind the curtain that we don't realize how much, like I felt like five minutes. It did. True. It did. I guess when you're in conversation, and I always get this like, and this is all of our fucking, you know, all these trolls that talk about the podcast when they're like, you got to let other people speak and stuff. When I'm having a conversation like this, I don't like think about how much time has passed. You know what I mean?

Or like how much people are talking. That felt like four to five minutes just now. 17. I agree with that. And I would say, excuse me, bless you. Excuse you. Was that a cough? That was a cough, yeah.

Yeah, I guess I don't say anything then. It reminds you like when you're at a bar having a drink with somebody, you know, and you're in conversation, like three hours goes by in no time. Yeah. You feel like you covered like one topic and you kind of go back for chit-chat. So I guess it makes a little bit more sense. It's crazy. Black Rifle Coffee, I think that's a really good way to segue from your asshole into some segments.

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is the date between Brooks Kepka and Bryson and Ashamba. They're going to play 12 holes. I saw a Bob Herrick tweet that said along with Charles Barkley. Phil Mickelson will be one of the commentators for the match between Brooks and Bryson on November 26th. Why am I not as excited about that as I should be? That match in general. Is it because they've made it corporate?

And probably because of the diffusion of the situation around the Rider Cup, I would say. I mean, if this happened right after that video went viral, you know, of Brooks where he could, you know, Price is walking and spikes and all that, I think that the excitement level would be significantly higher. And I needed it in an atmosphere where it's less controlled. Like if the Dave and Brooks match had happened and Bryson had shown up and been the caddy for Dave, like that's an environment where I know anything can happen because it's run by us and we just kind of let things happen as they go. The way this is going to play out, it's going to be, yeah, corporate is the only word that I can think of because clearly they don't hate each other as much as we thought they did.

And now they're going to come together and they're going to play 12 holes, which is super wacky. And then it's going to be over. Like I wanted it in an atmosphere where I thought. It could go off the rails, and I know that's not possible in this 12-hole match. And there's going to be a lot of cringe-worthy back-and-forths because now the situation has been diffused. So to drum up some sort of controversy, quote-unquote, or some sort of bad blood within the match, they're going to, like, say stuff about his abs and his championships and his PG. You know what I mean?

Yeah. His U.S. Open win to his two, and it's going to be a lot of. It's not going to be real. It's going to be kind of bullshit fluff, chirping and whatever. Let me ask you this. Do you think, so let's say Bryson and Brooks in the court of public opinion right now, let's say they're both at neutral, zero. Do you think after the match that each one of them, respectively,

do you think that their public opinion improves, goes positive, or decreases and somehow comes out more negative than they went into this? I think it stays the same. I mean, if anything, I think it gets a little bit more positive just because anytime guys like that turn on their mics and you get to watch them for 12 holes, there's no way you can really take too much of a negative about it. I mean, we are going to see through it where it's like, because the only reason I'm super upset about it is because it should have been Dave doing it. To Trent's point, it would have been so much more raw and real. And the Bryson thing would have been great. I've been big on Bryson.

I think he probably would have done something now that I know the new Bryson. and he probably would have been some part of that. And it just sucks that it's that a bunch of suits got to him with, you know, with some cash. And it's just, it's not the way it should have went. So I think the public will, to answer your question, I think the public will come away thinking that, you know, they're all likable guys and that it was a fun match. And all, oh, then the talk about golf being 12 holes will start. Yeah. Because they'll say, oh, so good.

It was only two and a half hours on TV. It was awesome. the only place that Bryce is going to catch himself in a weird spot, and I don't know if, you know, all of the public is going to care about this, but if he is put in a position, which I think he will be, to talk shit to Brooks or, like, to chirp, he's not going to be good at that. We know that he's not going to be good at that. We've seen him on Twitter trying to do that,

and he just gets himself in some deep water. But I don't think the public at large is going to be, like, turned off by that. I think we will be on this podcast. But I think largely I agree with Frankie where, They're going to chum it up. People are going to be happy seeing them on TV together, a match that people have wanted regardless of how it's going down. You know, they'll probably shake hands or hug something at the end and then it'll be over.

I think they'll come away from it mostly positive. So November 26th, big day for us, Black Friday. So we'll be slinging the shit out of four-play merchandise. We've been teasing a little bit, but we have all kinds of stuff. I mean, people have to realize this is three, six, 12 months lead time for a lot of this stuff. So we're going to be rolling out, showcasing new stuff. to be discounted 10, 20% off. So Black Friday is one of the biggest days of the year for us and for our listeners.

Christmas. So we made a commitment a long time ago, I think four, six months ago that the day after Thanksgiving, we are going all in on Christmas. So our Christmas season begins. And then we'll have this match as well that will be, you know, going on the day after Thanksgiving when it's kind of a long weekend. So November 26, big day for us. That is a huge day.

You know how the discussion around Thanksgiving is always, and Christmas is like, when can we start doing the Christmas stuff? It's always like, can you do it before Thanksgiving? Do you have to wait until right after? Do you have to wait until December? I saw somebody put up a calendar. I think it was Coley Mick. I think he put it up on his Insta story.

It was like it showed the month of November, the month of December, and it had all of November like Christmas. Like you can listen to Christmas stuff here, except for when Thanksgiving is going on. And then when Thanksgiving is over, you can start the Christmas stuff again. Like you can do both. And it was kind of eye-opening to me where it's like you can be listening to Christmas music right now for the whole month if you want to.

And then when Thanksgiving is here, you can just stop doing that, do some Thanksgiving stuff. And then as soon as it's over, start doing the Christmas stuff again. And I think I agree with that. I don't hate the idea of extending Christmas season because I love Christmas season that much. Yeah. But I hate the idea of not having a start date. My eyes twitch. I hate the idea of not having a start date.

And I say that because it makes the idea of not having a start date. I say that because it makes the season feel more important and present. Like, oh, it's here when you know there's a day, right? Like the day after Thanksgiving, it's now Christmas time. Okay. As opposed to what you're saying is like willy nilly. Yeah, you can throw it on if like a commercial, maybe something, you know, tickles your fancy.

You saw a new commercial with the big rain, the big red ribbon on top of a car and like there's snow coming down. You're like, oh, is that a little Christmas jingle? And you got, I've gotten that little feeling. There's a couple commercials out there. There are. That I've started to get the feeling. But I'm holding off because the holdoff is almost as as fun as the moment.

Are you saying your Christmas edging? I am Christmas edging. It's like it's like the feeling of watching your team and a sporting throughout a season. The ride is almost as fun as the dumb fucking show. The championship. The dumbest show ever. Yeah, I'm fucking, I'm edging my Christmas spirit. Because you're like, oh, you see a Lexus commercial.

and they're like, there's that bow. Yep. There's that bow. But I'm not going to turn on Frank Sinatra Christmas. Nope, I'm not going all the way. Well, you know, my, so my dad sent, you know, we have a family group text. My dad was out with my nephew, Robbie, which is his grandson yesterday, takes him swimming. So they do swimming lessons all the time.

And my dad was describing the whole day and how great it was. And then he said the bad news is that they were blaring really loud Christmas music already. And I think he's a believer, you know, I think about this a lot as like a really nice, like, steak. and mashed potatoes, where if you have that every single night, it's not as cherished when you do get that meal, which is, you know, like my favorite meal. And I think you could look at that the same way with Christmas music, where it's like, or even the whole season of Christmas,

where if the whole year is Christmas, then you're not that excited for Christmas. And I have, one of the, one of the Spotify playlist I go with is the best of Bruce Springsteen. And occasionally, what's on there is Santa Claus is coming to town live. And when it comes on, I immediately have to fast. forward almost the whole year because I'm just like, you know, I can't go from Bruce jamming out to like Santa Claus is coming. I can't be in that mindset. So I think a start date is key. I think you're

absolutely right. You got to have a point when we can jump off and sink your teeth in and just be Mr. Christmas, Mr. Santa Claus elf all the way through December, you know, 26th. Otherwise, you kind of lose the excitement. All right. That's fair. I was trying to have my cake and eat it too with with my version of it. But I actually agree with what you guys are saying. There needs to be a start date. And I think for me, and again, this is the argument that everybody has every single year. But I think for me, it's before Thanksgiving.

Because Thanksgiving to me is fine, but it's a road. It's a speed bump on the way to Christmas, in my opinion. When do you think you can hang Christmas lights on your house? See, that's an interesting one. I think you have to start. You have to look at the weather. And I think this year you're going to be super lucky where you can definitely do it after Thanksgiving. But there are certain times where you know it's like two degrees out or 20, let's say 20 degrees out at the end of November.

And you're like, fuck, man. Like my dad's going to go out there by himself and put out Christmas lights. So I think dads like to look at the weather and be like, all right, it's late October or early November. It's a 60 degree day. We got to knock this out today because we're not getting another one of these. You know what I mean? It's definitely changing this year. Like this year it's super nice out.

Like today is 66 degrees in fucking New York City. Yeah. It's psychotic. So a lot of them are going to have that chance now. But I remember just growing up, like, and help my dad with all that stuff. We would just find a day near Christmas season that you could go out, run out there, get all the boxes. It was fun. I once time lapse does do it.

And I put, I put all of Christmas music to it. Oh, no, I didn't. I did the yakity, yakutty sax music to it. And it shows us running up and down the house going up the fucking ladder. We have a huge tree out in the front. So it's like going around that. I fucking love Christmas time. Dude, my dad actually, we couldn't get to the top of the tree.

And this is just like, I would never think to do this. But he took the, and he still does this. He takes the pool skimmer that has super long extensions. And he takes that, right? and he takes a wire clotheshanger and unbends it so that it looks like antlers. And he puts the fucking end of the lights on the one end and uses it, goes to the top of the really tall 20 foot tree, however tall it is. And then somehow gets it to like sit up there and then walks around the tree and it

starts to go. It's fucking insane. I would never think to do that. Like usually you got to go up there. You need multiple people. it was his way of doing it when I was in the city and I wasn't home. It's amazing. It's handy, crafty.

And he's not crafted with anything else. He's going to love that. He's crafty with like ideas like that though in terms of like. Sure. But yeah. He can't like if someone needs something fixed though, you're not calling Frank Borell. But if you need to make a local TV ad or something like that.

Yeah. Or if you need to like, yeah, find a way to like get the ball out of the bunker without actually hitting it. You know what I mean? Like if you got to, you know, move a few extra chicken parms. Yeah. He's really good at that. Yeah. All right. It's time for us to do some segments. Segment Central where you're going to do Dream Forsome. And I've got a few quotes that I would like you guys to guess who they're from as well. I have what I consider a very easy one, a medium one, and a really hard one on quotes, which I will read. Segment Central here is brought to you by Dude Wipes.

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this is what we're going to do is we're going to pick a category. and then you are one of the people in the for some. You must pick three other people from the category or three other items, things, whatever the category is, to round out your forcum. And it's really up to you. It's incredibly ambiguous. You are able to interpret the concept,

however the hell you would like, but you do need to consider how the different people in your dream foursum would go together. Are you looking for jolly Christmas time, holiday spear? Are you looking for a little rivalry? are you looking for a little bit of both, some weirdness, whatever the hell you may want to consider for your dream for some.

We debated back and forth a little bit. Should we do just Thanksgiving since it's November? I think we're going to hold off a week or two until it's closer to Thanksgiving. And with succession kind of going full steam ahead and Sopranos and these other TV dramas that obviously get people hooked with streaming and binging and all that, we are going to do Dream Forsome TV drama characters. Now, I don't know who should go first, but I do think that we should allow each person to reveal their entire force them so they can then explain a little bit why,

and then we can react to it. Trent can go first. You want me to go first? Sure. Okay. It looked like you wanted to go first. I mean, I have names in the notes app right now. So I wonder how many of us have the same names.

I would be surprised. I know. I consider that. I think we'll have the same. I think we'll have at least One of the same in all of ours. Okay. So, all right, I'll go first.

The first person in my dream for some is Hank Schrader. Wow. From Breaking Bad. Okay. I think he would get very into it. He just seems like a guy, he's, everything he's into, he's very into, and he would be big on the jokes. He would really love all that stuff. So I thought he would be a great member of the foursum.

Second one, and nobody's going to have this one, is Jimmy McNulty. Okay. From the wire. He's a party guy. If you watch the show, he parties a little bit too much. I actually don't know the wire, but I know Jimmy McNulty's character. Really? Like I just, I've heard the name, and I feel like I've seen the references of Jimmy McNulty.

He's a great guy. Well, he's questionable at times, but he is a good guy. And those first two that I named, they're both officers of the law. Jimmy McNulty is a homicide detective and Hank Schrader is a DA? Yes. Is that what he is? Yep. D.A?

Yeah. Hank Schrader. by the way was on this podcast. That's right. He was on this podcast. Another good reason, so he's clearly a golfer in real life. So I think those two would get along.

And then my third one, he might not get along with these other two because he is on the opposite side. He's a criminal. Polly Walnuts from the Sopranos. He's fun. Good jokes. Once they got past like,

all right, you break the law, you're a member of the mob, and we are, you know, I'm a de agent and a homicide detective. Once you get that little stuff out of the way, I think they would all have a very good time. Polly Walnuts, again, a guy who's in on the joke. I feel like he would love the golf jokes.

Those are my three. That's my dream forsoom. It's a great forsoom. Really? It is. Look, I love the foursome. I think you really, you have two really fun guys in there. And then you have Hank Schrader who I think's pretty fucking serious guy.

So there could be an interesting type. Maybe you guys can loosen them up. But you probably be able to get some interesting stories. Like I, you know, I like the foursum. I like all the characters. I'd be really interested to see how they match. for four. He is really intense. Hank Schrader is intense. Super intense. But I, he would be the type of guy who would like wear a very, he'd be into the outfit. He'd want like a

matching golf outfit. And then once he'd get him there, get him a few, get a few soda pops in him. I think he would relax a little bit. And I think Polly and Jimmy would, would help with that. Just my opinion. Okay. Riggs. Uh, okay. I'm going to go, um, I think this one is, I'm not going to say pretty obvious. I don't think anyone's going to have this. not even close, but it's going to make a lot of sense for someone like me. I'm going to go Martin Sheen's character, Jed Bartlett, President Bartlett in the West Wing. Okay. I'm obviously I began my career of Barcelona sports covering elections and politics. I'm clearly into that kind of shit. I'm into, I'm more into, I would say, campaigns and everything than I am

true kind of governance and all the back and forth and bullshit that goes on. And Martin Sheen's character in that is incredibly witty. He's incredibly sharp. And obviously he's a president. So the whole idea of like having the stories and the gravitas of the presidency, I think would be very cool. Probably my favorite character that I came up with is Benjamin Linus from Lost. Holy shit. Holy fuck. Who is an absolute crazy person and one of the most manipulative. So I would, in theory, I thought he'd be on my team.

And I think he'd be great to get under the skin and rattle the cage out of the other guys and seeing him interact with any human. being whatsoever in any environment whatsoever would be incredibly compelling. It does immediately launch my for some into like, I'm a, I'm rooting for chaos. Like you can't have been Linus there and not have it be pretty problematic overall. So like my force him went from super fun to like, holy fuck, what are you doing? We got to keep an eye on that. The marshal is going to be all over. It's to be kind of a problem.

And then my last one, I don't, I don't know if this is going to be a violation. because I don't know if it's considered a drama or a comedy, but I had to go Ari Gold from Entourage. Like there's a overall overarching theme of like drama and what's really happening, but obviously it's a comedy drama series. A dromedy. So I guess that counts, but Ari Gold is one of my all-time favorite characters in any show.

So having him in there, Jeremy Piven, you know, I just love him. He's super witty, obviously, and funny and crazy and aggressive. And so I wanted him to be in the foursome as well. I think we're going to give you that one. Those are good names. I think we're going to give you that one. Yeah, I think so.

Yeah. Comedy, drama on like the Wikipedia or whatever. It helped you out in a big way. Because I thought that was a comedy show. Jeff D. Lowe uses the word dromody and then I start using it. Oh. It's a good way to describe it. We are in the clear, maybe.

All right. That's my to round it out. I got President Barlet. I got Rie Gold. and I got Ben Linus. When I go to movie rankings.net, which is the lights camera, Barsal guys,

their curation of all of their reviews, and they also have a thing where it's a randomized movie clicker where you can see, you click, this is just an ad for them at this point, but you just, you click what service providers

you have, Netflix, Hulu, whatever, and then you click what genre you want. I always click Dramity because I think those are the best movies. Yeah. Where it's like the really serious, but it's got a little hint Like Succession is a dromedy.

For sure. You know? For sure. And I'm proud of you for using the word curation. Thank you. Appreciate that. Me too. So you guys went with kind of secondary characters, which I think is very meta of you guys.

And you guys are super cool. You didn't just pick like the big names you just want to fucking go hang out with. So I'm going to now round this whole segment out with just massive heavy hitter. That just never crossed my mind once. Hank Schrader is not a side character. Well, he's not fucking Walter White. Yeah, but he is his foil. I know. I'm just saying like my point being not one person out of fucking six picks picked.

Well, I guess he did with the president. Depending on the season of the United States. Okay, you did. Depending on the season of the wire, Jimmy McNulty is the main character. All right, here we go. And I would argue Ari Gold is not the main character, but he might be the most central character in the whole show. My point being, my first guy in my list is Tony Soprano. Okay. Tony Soprano of the show, the Soprano. He's the big fish. Yeah. Cigars. L. Loss. laughs, prosciute. I mean, probably get an invitation back to the house.

He's wearing big, huge golf clothes. I mean, in Sopranos, when he golfs, it's hilarious. He's like, he's just the guy. What do you fucking mean? You know what I mean? Everything's like, I would love to have that guy. In his cart, which I thought would be a really good dynamic, because I know the types of people that Tony likes.

And he'd think he's a crazy motherfucker. Look at this fucking guy. I fucking love this guy. I fucking love this guy. I'm picturing. I'm picturing Tony grabbing this guy by the neck and giving him a noogie being like, I fucking love this crazy fuck. And that's Jesse Pinkman.

Oh. So I think you need some sort of just chaos out there from a guy that really isn't that good where it's like I'm picturing that, yeah, science Jesse Pinkman, where like every time someone hits a good shot or something like the bar cart comes around and he's just laughing. He's like the stoner. He's probably smoking weed out there. him and Tony would have an unreal dynamic in that cart because like he's a criminal also like they can both talk about the crazy shit that Jesse gets himself into and like he'd be like how the fuck you move in all this shit you know what I mean like they'd get into some like ridiculous um whatever they'd get into some crazy talks about how they're both going behind people's backs and shit and then to round out my foursome in my cart who I think I need probably more than anyone on this earth talk to talk to you. to golf with me is coach taylor friday night lights talk about the most motivational person of all time

someone that's going to get me dialed in to my game better than anybody else i mean clear eyes full hearts can't lose if he gives me any sort of speech like that i mean you guys know when i am dialed in somebody when lurch is playing with me and he's like frank you got this like don't worry about it like just hit the ball. Just swing soft. I'm here. I play fantastic. It's when I'm with too much chaos. When I'm with my buddies that I just don't, I'm like not caring about the game. I forget that I'm swinging fast. Coach Taylor's there. He's also extremely good looking. He's also extremely funny and he's extremely caring. And then maybe, just maybe, he's the missing piece for like Jesse Pinkman's of the world and the Tony Sopranos of the world where they bounce their problems off of a coach

Taylor. And at the end of this fucking thing, we're all happy, go lucky, we're feeling good. Law-abiding citizens. Law-abiding citizens. Jesse Pinkman's like, I would run through a wall for this fucking guy. He's ready to have my life turned around. I'm changing lives on my golf trip. I'm changing fucking, I'm changing the course of TV history in my golf foresum. So that's my foursome. Not necessarily all my three favorite characters on the planet. Like if we start talking about my favorite characters, I'm probably not picking all three of them. Tony's Brown definitely one of them. But I just thought, I thought long and hard about this, about the dynamic.

And the only one that really fucking was ingrained in my head was Tony Soprano grabbing Jesse Pinkman and be like, this fucking guy. Yeah. This fucking guy. And like Jesse's in his baggy clothes. Be like, what the fuck is this guy? You know what I mean? Yeah. God, I wish I could see that.

That's good. I would say, I think this format, it was hard to come up with a bad one. And I totally. And I don't, everybody came up with a great one. Like, I got genuinely excited thinking about like Tony Soprano throwing some Stogey's and ripping it up. up like, oh, he's probably got music playing nowadays. Now that it's fucking 25 years later, like it'd be such a good time. So, yeah, I got, yeah, I think they're all really, really good and it's hard to go bad.

Yeah, it's a good segment. It's going to get a little dicey when we start talking about like Thanksgiving food. I don't know how I'm going to talk about golf with that. I wasn't sure like with Thanksgiving, do you go like, uh, do you go like everything Thanksgiving? What do you go with? I don't know what you go with either. You could do like people and your family at your table.

Oh, yeah. that's not bad. Yeah, like just stereotypical Thanksgiving characters, basically. Uncle Bobby wants to talk about like how Facebook's changing the way that we elect our presidents. And so, you know what I mean? Yeah, we'll have to think about it. I don't want him in my foursome. Like first political guy at Thanksgiving that finally is like, yeah, what do you guys?

What do you guys think about these protests that are going on here? Pretty crazy out there. Whoa. Dad's having to watch in the news. Everybody just. Whoa. The guy from the video that Dave tweets out Every summer Thanksgiving

Oh yeah, that's a good one That guy's unbelievable The camera pans It's just some little old guy He's yelling that God damn it that video is so good Wait, we have to play that Can you play that audio for us

Over the louds? The guy is The big guy yelling is Peter Griffin Essentially And he's, what does he say? Fuck, we have to listen to this It's Boston It's a Boston family

Epic Masshole Thanksgiving. This guy is just ripping into like his dad or his uncle, right? It's like I'm sick of your shit. I'm sick of your shit. Oh, fuck, dude. It's got to be somewhere on Google. I feel like Joe Rogan asking for a clip. My idiot uncle made a complete dickhead at himself.

Yeah, that one. Yeah, try it. If not, we can move on. Fuck. I wonder if Dave's going to be able to find it. Fuck, that video's so funny. Oh, no. All right.

Well, we did the segment. I will say I don't think we have time to do the quotes. We can save the quotes. We have a show coming up on Tuesday. I think in Tuesday show we save and we throw it to Kenny G. Who, again, I'm incredibly excited to talk to because this could go any direction. Saxophoneist, world-renowned. And he's talking to us.

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40% off your entire system. Here is Kenny G. Have a great weekend. What's going on? What's my camera had? But you know what? The problem is I don't want to mess up my hair. I mean, if I had hair like that, I wouldn't want to either.

Yeah, Riggs. Pop that cap off for a second. Let's see what you're working. Yeah, I got, there we don't want to mess up the old hair today. Can we all agree on one thing that if my hair takes that turn, that my career is going right down the toilet, like my car, can we take? No doubt. You've done, you've kind of parlayed the hair and the, in the saxophone and do a hell of a thing, I would say.

I like the word parlay. It's a nice word. How we doing? I'm doing good. You know, now I'm starting to think about my golf. golf game. You know, I'm working now with George Gankas as my coach. Wow. Okay. You may not know. No, do you guys know him?

Riggs has done, uh, Rick's did a video with him. Yeah, I did a lesson with him out here in Scottsdale like six months ago. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. I think I saw that one. Right. On YouTube. Oh, yeah. We did like a 45 minute hour long lesson. Well, I saw that. I watched that one and he keeps telling you that you're supposed to look your eyes up at the end and you never could do that, right? No, it's impossible. I mean, I'm like, what it's like you're learning to walk again. I know.

I'm having the same trouble, but I'm doing it. I'm like coming from here, all of a sudden it's like how, and then you just watch the ball. And it's really, it's amazing how well you hit it like that. Right, because he's trying to get you clear everything, you know, and it's hard to do. You have a good swing. You must be a low handicap. You look like you're almost like a pro with the way you swing.

Oh, man. Kenny, gee. This is great stuff. Internet does not agree with you, Kenny. These guys are so mean to me about my golf swing, Kenny. You wouldn't believe it. No, I liked it. It looks powerful.

It looked like you probably hit it a mile. All right. Did you? I mean, did you pay him? Best guess in the history of the podcast. This is all improvisation. I didn't even know.

I remember that video well because I was thinking about going to see Gankas. I said, okay, let me go online. Let me see if I can just get all the information I need online instead of going to see him in person. And, of course, I realized I need to go see him in person. see him in person. I've had like maybe five lessons. And he has, he has an assistant named Johnny that I work with. Yeah. And I'm telling you, it's, I just saw even par the other day at Sherwood.

And I really made a difference. Even par. That is impressive. Doing the full, are you doing, you know, the full like you're getting the hips going really hard? I'm doing the full Monty, bro. I'm doing everything full. Are you like a visual, physical learner? Like, is that helping you the way that he does it, where he grabs your hand, shows you the way to go. Is that how you like to learn like new things? Because that's how I am. I need to see it. I need to feel it as opposed to just watch it on YouTube or read it in a book. Absolutely. The problem is that when you watch it and try and you think you're doing what what you think you're doing, the thing is you're probably not doing it. So what you have to do is get, you have to get

in a position that that you know is right. So he puts you in that position. And then you say to yourself, wait, I have to feel that. I have to feel because I'm not feeling. You have to feel. Because I'm not feeling that. And then that's how you start to get better. That really was the number one thing that I learned. So I work with a coach, John Tilleri, and he's telling you things and you think you're doing them. And they have video evidence of what you're actually doing. And when you watch it back, it's completely different than what you're actually feeling. I know. I know it is. And the thing that the thing that I'm thinking about when I'm doing the Gankas swing seems so foreign to me, like the the way that he wants you to lay off the club and the thing with the right elbow,

which is where it comes in like this, rather, you know, everybody's like, for years, it's let's drop it in the slot. And he says that is absolutely not the move from the top. So I've grooved this move for like 20 years. So to not do that feels like I'm going like this on the downs. It feels like I'm stretching my arm out. And when I feel that, I actually do what I'm supposed to do. And it looks like I'm dropping the club perfectly.

It is amazing. It's amazing to learn the swing and the game of golf completely differently than you've ever learned it before. And then when it actually clicks, like you're saying, you're like, oh, this guy's probably on to something because you've been taught your whole life. Like keep your head down. Look at the ball. Look at the ball. He's like, no, no, move your eyes. Like actually literally move your eyes in front of the golf ball.

You're not even looking at the ball at contact. Yeah. You actually finally get it. You trust you. You do it once. You do it right. And you look up and the ball is just soaring and. struck perfectly and you're like, man, that went counter to everything I've ever learned in my life.

Exactly. Yeah. And the hard part is doing it on the course. The range is easy. There's no pressure, but you go on the course and you go, okay, I need to hit this green or I'm going to lose $20. That is huge pressure. So, Kenny, as you're learning, we're pretty, we're just in it right now. We're in the interview for folks. We already, you know, pre-show, we gassed you up. We're talking about how excited we were to have here. One of the best-selling musicians. of all time. You got a documentary coming out.

And I believe Golf Digest called you the number one musician golfers. You must have some pretty serious game. Well, that was a while ago. Yeah, I think I was like a plus handicap at the moment. So at that moment. So, yeah, I was really happy about that. I did a great interview with Jaime Diaz and who came over. I was watch him on the golf channel all the time.

The thing about that guy is, that guy is a freaking and amazing ping pong player. And when he came over and did interview with me, I had a ping pong. I think that I'm a good ping pong player. The guy was 10 million times better than me. And it was really impressive. And that's what I remember most about that time. Ping pong has been a big topic of discussion on this podcast, recently for whatever reason. I think everyone, either you have a ping pong table or your buddy has a ping pong table.

And it's a game where you can get so competitive and feel like you're doing something athletic, even though it's in the backyard or in the basement. And then you think that you're this superstar because you crush one. you hit a corner, you have a good rally, and then you come up to a guy like him where they really know how to play ping pong and there's another level, right? There's the backyard level

and there's the guys who take it very seriously. He's so good. He's got that way where he can put the spin on it, even as he's hit in that forehead. It's not like a little like spin and then it just, but, and then the ball hits the table and it bounces to the right. I completely missed the ball.

I've never done it before. How? This is Jaime Diaz from Golf Channel. He's just a stick when it comes to ping pong. Unbelievable. He is the best ping pong player ever seen in my life, live anyway. Wow. Wow.

Talk to him about that and remind him about how he tried to give me a lesson. The lesson was like 21 to 4 or 21 to 3, whatever the score was. I couldn't even get anything. The guy was too good. Jesus, that's great. Frankie plays a little bit of competitive. I can play a little ping pong. I can play a little bit of ping pong.

In our office, we have like pretty competitive matches where we'll stream on. We have a little bit of a stadium with announcers and replays. It's super fun. Like to play ping pong and that sort of competitive atmosphere is unbelievable. Because you're sweating, your heart's racing. It's like 1919. I take a time out. I'm like, listen, guys, I need like 10 seconds to just to just because it's almost like standing

over the first tee shot of a round of golf. You can't control your emotions. You can't control the heart rate. No matter what you're playing. Any sort of competitive game for me, I get it going. Yeah, there's a lot of pressure when you have a put to win something. You know, I've had a few putts where I've had putts to win like a club championship. I've also on, in the old days, Michael Douglas used to have a celebrity golf thing.

And there was, I had a couple of putts where I could win the whole thing for my team. And it's really fun to stand over those putts and watch Sylvester Stallone sweat because I already know I'm going to make it. And I'm a skinny Jewish guy is going to beat Sylvester Stallone. and I make the putt and I just look up at him as the putts going in and that was fun. That was fun. I mean, you're a golfer, right? Like, you have the new documentary coming out on December 2nd listening to Kenny G. Did I read and hear correctly that you made your golf team but didn't make your jazz, the jazz band going into high school?

That's correct. Yeah, that's right. That was mind-blowing fact. I mean, Kenny G. The saxophone is. Like, what happened there? You know, when you're, let's see, what, what you know, I was physically. So you're going into high school. Up until then, I was kicking ass in my junior high grade school.

I'm like a stud sax player. As soon as I get to high school, okay, all the other junior high school sax players are coming to high school. And they just were way better than me. And I was shocked. I was shocked about this. Not that I mean, but I wasn't like thinking, okay, I'm going to be a sax player for my life. So it wasn't devastating, but I was a little shocked. So I went home that year and I practiced. And I thought, okay, I'm just going to practice and get better. And I came back. And surprisingly, I was way better than any of those guys. So I just showed me that, you know, if I just practice, I'm going to get better.

So I've been practicing for the last 50 years. And I'm still trying to get better. That amazes me, man. Whenever we get one of the greats on the show, I like to ask, if you would have put that time and effort into anything, do you think you would have succeeded? Is there something about the way that you practice and the way that you apply yourself, that no matter what you would have picked up, you think you would have been one of the greats? I think so. I mean, I'd like to think so. But I mean, I think I have a little extra talent when it comes to the saxophone.

You know, I also was playing golf at the same time. Right. But then again, you know, the thing about the golf that's so hard is that, you know, you put all the time in energy in. But if you're practicing incorrectly, you're just going to get worse over time. You're just going to get correctly. The more time you put on it, you're just going to get better. So that's why I think the saxophone is a lot easier than golf. We talk about that all the time. Like, we talk about how. how we just don't genuinely know how to practice. Like, we're not built that way. And it's golf, we apply it to a lot. We do a golf podcast. But almost in a lot of things, like, you know,

like if you're just not good at practicing, you're not disciplined or whatever it is. So I agree with you. Even though you know a lot more about yourself than I do, I could see someone who, again, has become one of the greats, over 75 million records sold. I do feel like somebody like you with that talent, with that ability to practice and grind and get better,

that if you would apply to yourself to, you know, a bunch of different things, you probably would have been really, really successful in any of them. Well, I'd like to think so. I mean, the things that I like, I want to get good at. So I like golf, obviously. So I practice golf enough. My handicap right now, I think is a 3.7 or something like that. So it's not the lowest it's ever been, but it's pretty good. It's pretty good. So I put that. Pretty good. I'm also a pilot. So I also do my reps when it comes to doing what I need to do to become to be a good pilot. I've been flying airplanes for 30 years, still alive. So, must be doing something right. You got your own plane? You fly your own plane?

I have a little, a little airplane called a Dehavelin Beaver. Yes, it is called. It's called a Bieber. Let me look. Kenny, let me look one of these puppies up. Yeah, look it up. Kenny G., the best saxophonist, he's selling 75 million records. He's playing golf. He's fucking flying planes all over the place. He's got the hair. I mean, you are, you're a lot of like a cartoon character. Like, how are you a real person? I don't understand how you land this puppy. You land this puppy on rivers and stuff?

Yeah, absolutely. Water. You're on the big fishermen. You'd be like a big fisherman. You go fishing and land. Yeah, too. Sometimes like I remember taking my dad up in this plane and we landed out in Puget Sound in Seattle area and just caught some salmon off and floats and then took them home and had

salmon. Kenny G is like, he's a Renaissance man is what he is. Right. You got to be good at. Cartoon carry. You know, I just, like I said, if I like something I want to be good at, that's why I don't play tennis. And I think that I could be good at tennis, but it's going to take too much in my time.

And I'd rather spend that time getting my handicap down to a plus one rather than a 3.7. Tennis, too. Tennis, one of those, if you're playing against somebody and they're a little bit better than you are, they just beat you the whole time. That's right. No handicap. That's why golf so much better. All right.

So we got saxophone. We got golf. and we have flying. What's what's another Kenny G. interest? Any others? Good thing. Good thing. Oh, I want to be a good dad. I'm a dad. So I actually practice a good dad. How about that? I practiced that. Think about how I can say things better to my kids, be a better dad, be a better role model, all that kind of stuff. And I think my boys turned out great. So I think I'm doing good. You like read any parenting books or how do you practice? How do you like think about trying to be better.

Actually, talk to a really strong expert on lots of life issues. I talk to him every week, every Thursday afternoon, and go over whatever it is that I have questions about. The guy is so freaking smart. And he tells me these things. Like, let's say my son says me, Dad, you know, what do I do about this? And if I'm not 100% you going, you know what, I'll get back to you on that one. And I ask the question, I get the answer.

Then I go back and I show my son what a stud I am, give him the answer. And I've been doing that for like 20 years. And so now whenever we ask any questions about anything comes to me. And then I'll say, I've got to get back to you. And he'll say, oh, you're going to ask your guy, aren't you? I go, yeah, I am, actually. And he goes, you got a parenting guy. That's amazing.

Yeah. That's incredible. Kenny, so you're a jazz artist, right? How do you think you became so mainstream, right? Especially in this day and age and the 90s, the 2000s. Like, how do you think you took over the charge? like that by just playing the saxophone. To me, that had to have been so difficult, no? Very difficult. But also, you know, it's one of those things where things just kind of lined up.

For example, okay, I start making my style of music in the mid-80s, right? So it's not jazzy enough for jazz radio. It's not R&B enough for R&B radio. It's not pop enough for pop radio. So I got no home, right? No home. But I decided that I wanted to find out who is the manager of the most famous instrumentalists in the world. Now, the famous instrumentals in the world in 1985 was George Benson, the guitarist. I said, I'm getting that guy to be my manager. So I drive down to L.A. from Seattle. I go to his office.

I walk in. I go, hey, you don't know me. I'm a sax player. You know, I haven't sold very many records yet. But I want you to come watch me play and I want you to manage me. So he comes to see me play and he goes, you know what? I will manage you. And I said, listen, I got no money to pay.

And he goes, don't worry. We'll worry about that later. Okay. So now I have the manager of George Benson managing me. So he says to me, I'm going to get you on the Tonight Show with Johnny Carson. So you young guys, if you don't know about Johnny Carson, you know, you take Fallon, you take Saturday Night Live, you take Oprah, you take Dr. Phil and Ellen, and you multiply by a million. And that's what being on the Johnny Carson show was like in 1986. So he tells the people at the Johnny Carson show, oh, you want George Carson.

George Benson? Yeah. Well, you better let my little sax player play on the show. So he gives me this big break. I play on the show and the record company wants me to play this song that's got a singer. So I agree to do that. Curtain goes up and it's live. So this isn't pre-taped shit like we do now. The curtain goes up and I play my instrumental instead. And everyone's so mad at me. Record company's mad because I didn't support the single. The show's mad because they would have never let me play just an instrumental. Everyone's mad, except the people in the world that saw that song weren't mad because they loved it because they had never hurt anything like it before. And that song became a big hit. And that's how it all started. That takes gigantic testicles to do something like that.

That's right. And it clearly worked. That's amazing. And that's the philosophy I've had since then is do what you know is right for you and let let everything fall the way. it's going to fall off that because what if I would have done the other thing? Who know? I wouldn't be here now talking to you guys. You wouldn't even care about. And you must have done this multiple times of your career because I listened to something where you were in an interview and you talked about with Clive Davis for the for the album

Miracles, the Christmas album. And he's saying to put instruments to put vocals on it and you're like, I don't think it should be that because when you go to these Christmas parties, all you want to hear is this really nice Christmas music in the background and you freaking nailed it because you're like the top selling Christmas album of all time. So it's like, how do you get this type of confidence to be able to do these things and tell someone like Clive Davis, you're wrong. I'm going to do it my way.

Boy, that's, you know, I think it's when you're young and you don't have anything to lose, maybe that's part of it. But I've also just, you know, when it comes to my music, I just know. You know, it's just one of the same. It's like when I, sometimes I'll be asked to play on a show and they'll say, hey, can you play this song? I go, no, no. I'm going to play this song.

Oh, no, no, no, no. No, no, we don't want that. Our audience isn't going to like that. Play this song. I go, no, no, I'm playing this song. That's what I'm going to do. And that's how it's going to be. All right, well, if you play that song, it's going to be too boring.

We want to put some ballet dancers in the background. I go, no, not doing that. I'm going to play that song and it's going to be fine. All right, well, we're not sure we want you on the show anymore. I said, okay, well, let me know. And then they come back, okay, we want you on the show. Like that's the, that's the scenario. And that way, that's exact thing that's happened to me.

On many occasions when they've got these lame brain ideas, oh, no, no, your sacks is going to be too boring. People don't want to hear just the sags of all. I go, okay, this is how it's going to be. And I'm going to do this. And that's how it's going to be. And then that's what happens. Now, do you apply that to your golf game as well? If a caddy tells you, I think we should lay up here and not go over the pond.

And you're like, I know my game. I'm going for the green. No, unfortunately. Here's the problem. This is what I've always said. I've said this. Like, I've played with Tiger like five times. Played with Phil probably 15 or 20 times.

I'm lucky. I get to play with all these great golfers. I've said the same thing to them. Like Tiger will say, bro, just let it go. I said, oh, that's your big golf? That's your big teaching? Let it go. Okay.

What exactly am I letting go, Tiger? What? you're thinking too much. Okay, there's a reason. Here's why. And then this is going to answer your question. They say, you don't think that way when you play your saxophone, do you? I go, no, because my mechanics are perfect.

So I don't have to think about it. So with golf, my mechanics aren't perfect. If my mechanics were perfect, then it's like, I'm going to let it go. I'm just going to let because I know that all the mechanics are going to be great. Now it's just a question of I'm going to play the course like it's a chess game. Unfortunately, for me, I have about. 40 swing thoughts for each swing because my mechanics are not perfect. And I keep thinking someday I'd like my mechanics to be perfect. That's my problem with golf. That's why I can't just go.

I'm just going to let it go like music. I wish. I wanted I want to get there. Played golf with Tiger Woods five times. What are we talking about here? I'm telling you, he is so much fun to play golf with. So much fun. What's the back, what's the banter like? So where does this, where does this happen? Is this like a like how does this, how does this, how does this come about? You play with Tiger Woods. My club in L.A. Sherwood.

So he's got his time there in the old days. So there'd be a pro-am. And so they put me in Tigers group. So here's what happens on the first hole. First hole, it was a little par four, it's only 314 yards. I make par, and he makes a birdie.

And he looks up and he goes, yeah, you got one letter G. I got three. I go, what the fuck are you talking about, Tiger? He goes, PRO. Pro. P-R-O.

He says, you're G, I'm P-R-O. Oh, I see how it's going to be today. So, you know, it's all these things. Like, it's all these things. I give Tiger a bad, like he's a great guy because you just got to rib him. You just got to. Here's an example. So we're at AT&T, right?

And I'm putting, I'm minding my own business. All of a sudden, I feel somebody's hand in my head. You're moving your head. I look up, it's Tiger. I go, don't you have anything better to do, bro? come on. He goes, no, you're moving your head. I want to help you putt. So I putt. I go, hey, let's have a putting contest. Me and you. He goes fine. So we're going to play. So I'm thinking, okay, I don't care what I lose. But honestly, I stayed with him until the last hole.

I lost 20 bucks. I said, great. That was fun. Here's your 20. Tiger goes, no, no, no, don't worry about it. You can pay me some money at time. I said, wow, Tiger. Awesome. So I walk around, and then I see Butch Harmon. And I say, Butch, I just had this putting content. as to Tiger. And I only lost 20 bucks. And he goes, he wants you to owe it to him, doesn't he? I go, what? He goes, yeah, he doesn't, he wants to hold that against you. Here's what you do. He's what's telling me. Next time you see Tiger, take the 20, put it into his pocket, look him in the eye and go, fuck you. I'm saying, I can't do that to Tiger Woods. He goes, you got to do it. I said, okay, I will. So, by the way, okay, so I play my round of golf, and I'm paired with Phil, and I made so many puts

that day I made like these putts that were on ESPN. And so the next day, Tiger walks by and he goes, hey, saw you putting lesson really worked. I saw your putts on TV. And I go, hey, thanks. And he's walking away. And there's Butch because Butch was his coach. And Bush is looking at me like, go get him.

Go get him. I go, oh, shit. So I'm nervous. But I walk up behind Tiger, put my stuff that money in his bag pocket. And he looks around to me. I go, hey, fuck you. And he looks at me and goes, hey, that's a good one. Good, good job, bro.

like that. That's how great Tiger is. Holy shit. That could be one of the greatest Tigerwood stories ever heard. I mean, that's phenomenal. 100%. Wow. Okay.

And so now at that AT&T, so Tiger and his partner, Jerry Chang, are in the clubhouse. They're at 33 under par, right? They're going to win. Me and Phil, we're on hole number 14. And we are three strokes back.

Yeah, three strokes back. Okay, I birdie 14. I birdie 15. He birdie 16. He birdie 17. Now we're one stroke ahead. Okay, now we're on 18. Remember the famous Phil shot that he hit the driver off the deck and it goes into the ocean?

Remember that? Okay, I'm standing right next to him when you did that shot. I'm going, bro, we just need a par. Come on. And, of course, I just need a par. I bogey. So we fall back into a tie with Tiger and Jerry Chang. And I'm thinking, okay, how are they going to do that?

this. Is this going to be a card off? Usually it's like the 18th hole because they birded, we bogey. Anyway, Clinties would runs onto the green. He goes, we're going to make you guys all co-champions. So I'm ecstatic. So I, and, and so I walk off the green and my cell phone rings. Hey, it's Tiger. I go, how do you know my number? And he goes, man, I was watching you. I'm on, I'm on my airplane night now. I was watching the last hole, man, you really choked coming down the stretch, didn't you? Oh, my God. That is how pretty is.

And then after he says that, he goes, listen, I just want you to say, congratulations. I'm very proud to share this championship with you. Well done. Now, that's cool. That's really cool. It's cooler than cool. I'm speechless. I can't even speak.

Those stories are so good. Because he's another, there's athletes, there's superstars, and then there's Tiger Woods, right? And to hear that you have this like personal back and forth banter. You're able to do this with Butch and him. It's just it humanizes him a little bit more for us. And that's just all we want at a tiger. We want to hear all the little things. We know everything on the course.

And this is amazing. Yeah, he puts on his game pace because that's his, that's his way of staying in his game. But he's a great guy and he pays attention. I mean, he's, look it. He's paying attention to my dumb game. Right. It sounds like he really, like if you treat him just,

like one of the boys, one of the bros, that he, that gets him actually in his comfort level instead of treating him like he's on this pedestal. Absolutely. That's the, that's the best way of saying it right there. Absolutely. So, I mean, it's, it's hard to come down from those, those stories are as good as they get, but I, we're huge documentary guys. We actually had Marty Fish on like a month ago and he was talking about his documentary. Did you watch that one on Netflix? No. The breaking point, I think it was. I haven't watched this documentary, but I've watched that guy with that left-handed guy, hit the ball about 500 yards.

That guy's amazing. I played with him and said, Marty, just tell me, how do you get the power? Just give me one tip. He goes, I don't know.

Thanks, Bill. Thanks. Like nothing. He's an amazing offer. Highly recommend the documentary he has. I think it's on Netflix, but you've got the documentary coming out, I believe,

December 2nd, listening to Kenny G. Talk to me about the documentary. What's this? We got the poster. behind you but you know what do we what do we expect is this kind of the the story your story what's the what's this documentary going to be on because we love docs it's really all about how do i get my hair like that that's yeah it starts in the morning with i with a shower rinse repeat all that stuff actually um i actually didn't know the real um the real point of the of the documentary till i saw

it because i'm just doing my thing i'm not in control like i don't have any editing control so the director Penny, you know, she filmed me doing my thing and she followed me around at gates. And so I'm thinking it's going to be just about my history and everything. But the main thing on the documentary is how my success really upsets a group of people like jazz purists or jazz critics or music critics that are really upset that I'm successful. And the documentary is really about how my music can just bring this dialogue between different. sets of people on the hate and love. And it's more about that than about my career,

which I think is cool. It's very interesting. Yeah. Because, so Frankie, he plays the drums in Barstville Sports's band. And he gets into it with drum Twitter. People get mad at him on drum Twitter that he's, you know, a successful drummer. Well, yeah, I'll always get like, you're not keeping the tempo correctly or you guys shouldn't be successful because we have this comedic, ironic band.

we'll just like we do the the pop the pop punk like um accent and like the blink one a two type style and we sell out these venues like we went to irving plaza we're playing um in new haven in december a toad's place which is like a famous place up there so and everyone they get they get so angry that we are seeing this sort of success in their field but meanwhile it's just like man isn't music supposed to just make you fun regardless of how make you feel happy and make you feel good regardless of how it's coming out or who's doing it like it's just music like it shouldn't be so So I'm really interested to watch this. Yeah, it's exactly what you said.

It's there. They're thinking, like, well, you know, we've been practicing our instruments, this, and how come you're having all the success? And it's not fair because you're not playing traditional jazz and blah, blah, blah. It's like, hey, you know, I'm playing what I play and people will respond in the way they are. So, but there's a lot. I mean, when you watch this thing, you're going to, the first 10 or 15 minutes are pretty brutal as far as like, like the criticism on me.

But I've, by the way, I've been hearing it since the 80s. Look, it doesn't bother me at all. Was this directed, is the name Penny Lane, the director's name? Lane, yeah, that's a real name. She's super cool, too. I know, right? That's an amazing name. I mean, that's Penny Lane.

I mean, come on. That's great. Would you say that you have your own genre then, since, you know, they don't want to accept you into the traditional jazz? Is Kenny G. make his own style? You know, the answer to that is actually yes. It actually is yes. Now, they came up with a name for it in the mid-80s called Smooth Jazz.

It came up with this name because they didn't know what to call it. And then a lot of radio stations started to come on board and they were called Smooth Jazz Stations and there became this whole genre of music that was played and played and played. And that format's not around anymore. Thank goodness, because I didn't. I didn't love the way they had diluted it so much. But yeah, pretty much they had to kind of come up with a new genre, which is great. That's amazing.

Yeah. What incredible. What's your take on, because this is not you, because you're Kenny G, 70 million albums, the whole thing. What's your take on elevator music and waiting room music, right? Because when someone hears the saxophone play and they immediately think, like, oh, this is going to be, I know what this is. They want me to wait here online while I wait on hold with CVS to ask if my prescription's ready. What's your take on that?

See, that's one of the things that one of the critics says in the movie. I don't know if you've seen the movie. If you haven't. We haven't yet. Okay, so that's really amazing that you say that because the movie really starts off with this one critic. He sits down and he goes, he goes something like thinking about Kenny G. Do I have to? And then he goes, well, when I think about it's like, I think of my, I put picture myself waiting in line at the bank.

And I hear his music. And it's like the corporate America is trying to. soothe me while I'm waiting. I don't want to be soothed. Like that's what it's like you say it was like you're frothing at the mouth almost. So yeah, that's kind of what they would picture my music as elevator music, music to wait by. I mean, here's the thing.

You can't, I can't tell people what to do with my music. It's like saying if somebody plays my music because they want to have an evening at home with their significant other, have a glass of wine, they want to put my music. And my music helps that. vibe. I'm just by saying, no, no, no, no. I want you to listen carefully to every note I play. God damn it. Right. Right. I'm not going to say that. It's like enjoy whatever you want to do with my music, enjoy it. That's fine. So unfortunately, there's a lot of people that think that because my music might be played in elevators or might be played as a hold, that for some reason that makes it

shitty. I don't think so. No, it doesn't. And you've elevated yourself so much higher than that. I mean, my childhood is just Kenny G. Miracles. It is, that's just what it is. You walk in a Christmas time, that is what's playing in my house. You know when you hear something and it brings you back to a specific place? I picture my whole house decorated for Christmas and your album playing. And that's, that's something that, it doesn't matter what the, you could have been playing any type of music.

The fact that you're able to change lives or change memories of lives is nuts to me. Like, that is so impactful that you bring people back to that place. And I can't be the only. one that that feels that i mean every that album is so so good and it's so simple it's so simple too it's just you and just instrumental and it's like how did no one else think to do this right you're up there with elvis in christmas album sold Elvis right yeah i know i when when i made the record it was really like every song on miracles okay what's the what is going to be the definitive arrangement of winter wonderland what key am i going to play it in how am i going to

play this so that a hundred years from now, I'm going to listen to that, well, maybe not a 50 years, and go, that is a beautiful arrangement. It's not quirky. It's not made for the 80s. It's not made for the 90s. It's made forever. And so that's why I did for every one of those songs on miracles. And so when you say it's so simple, it really does sound simple because I try to keep it that way because the simplicity of it is what makes it, makes you connect with it. Gosh, I love it so much. I know we got a wrap. I know you got places to go, but, but man, Kenny G.

You're pilot. You're selling, you know, 75 million records, Tiger Woods stories, all kinds of good stuff. We've got to do this again, my friend. This was a lot of fun. Hey, my pleasure. And listen, when I start talking about golf, I just can, I just talk, talk. I mean, I could tell you stories about playing golf with President Clinton that would just blow you away and maybe we'll save that for next time.

That's a tease, folks. is a professional tease. I'm a pro himself. Kenny G. My goodness, you are. You are. Just add professional podcast guests to your fucking list. Experience veteran right there.

Experience veteran in the game. I'm so flattered to be on the show and just, you know, thank you for letting me share that stuff and just, you know, now I'm now, I can't wait to get back to L.A. and get back to my game. I think a week from today I can start working on those, on those moves. Hell yeah. Thank you.

Awesome. Seriously. Thank you. second HBO listening to Kenny G check it out and we'll do this again we'll have you back on thank you Kenny thanks can I plug one more thing before done of course absolutely as you remember besides the documentary I have a new album coming out on the same day December 2nd it's called new standards so it's going to be I think it's beautiful if you like miracles you're going to love this one so beautiful ballads and it reminds me of the the old songs from the 50s and 60s but I did it my way

They're all brand new songs, but of the style of an old 50s and 60s ballot. So it's classy, romantic. There you go. New album as well. December 2nd is just officially Kenny G. Day. So we're just, everyone's just going to consume. I literally just put it in my calendar. I literally just put it in my calendar, Kenny G. Day.

Yeah. We're consuming your content in all volumes. Right on, guys. Thanks. Thanks for everything. All right. Appreciate you. We'll talk to you soon.

Okay. Take care. Wow. That's awesome. What a freaking legend, man. I mean, maybe the best guess we've ever had. There's no doubt about it. You know what I mean?

Close. I don't know. Like I wanted to say to the moment. He's like up there with Butch Harbin. Right. Like I wanted to say it in the moment, but you don't, you almost ruin a moment when you do that. But halfway through, I wanted to be like, this is the best interview we've ever done. And it's the best one by far.

He's psychotically good storyteller. The fact we only had 40 minutes with them is a shame. Like we got to get that guy for a three hour interview. He's got to talk about his whole light. That's a guy we would fly to and just sit down with him for two or three hours and just podcast. People are going to hear that and they're going to be like, I want more Kenny G talk. No doubt, dude. No doubt.

Bro, when he was talking about how he like constructed his career and was like, no. No. No. those almost have to be sound drops that we have. Like when we want to say no to something, when we think it'll, like we have the right answer and someone else doesn't,

Kenny G. saying no is the go-to. Have that ready. We just got to have that ready and hit it. That's got to be one of our first sound bites that we just play on the show. I mean, he was a top five, not even close, yes. He's like,

Butch Harmon and him are our best two guests. So we're still recording. Yeah. I mean, this, people, oh, I guess we are recording. People just won't, yeah, I mean, I want people to know how stunned we are and how good of a guess this guy is. I mean, yeah, I guess put all this in. Kenny G is the greatest get.

I already stopped my audio, but that's okay. That's okay. We can use this. Kenny G is the greatest guest we've ever had, I think. I think I'm ready to say that. And I don't know if it's because of the way he speaks, right? Like, he's so into it and so nice and so just like, really wanted to answer the question. You know what I mean?

It's very similar to when we had Jake Owen on, where when we had Jake Owen on years ago, I knew very little about him. I'm a bigger country music fan now than I was then. So I went into it pretty blind like I did with Kenny Jean. I think all of us mostly did. And then you come away from it with incredible stories and just an incredible guest that I want to have on again right now. I wish he was still here. I know, I know.

He was someone who critically thought about how he could best answer questions for us. Like he wanted the answers to be very good and legitimate. Right off the head too, like just right off the dome. Like it was thoughtful and he definitely was like wanted to give us the top answer, but it was so quick because he's just so on point. That's scary how good he is. I'm going to be thinking about that Tiger Woods $20 story for the rest of the day and probably the rest of the week.

Do we have to go play golf with him out in L.A. And we have to figure out how to get him to do a long, long form podcast. I mean, he's played with Phil over, say 15 times. Yeah. And then he said he has a story. He said 50 or something like that. Then he said he has a story about playing golf of Bill Clinton that we wouldn't believe,

which is just, that's how we ended the show. That's how we finished the interview. What are we doing here right now that we're not flying out there next week and finishing this thing? Imagine if we get on a plane with Kenny G. He can fly. I would let that man fly me around, no problem.

Lurch would have freakinged himself if they were talking about flying sea plane. lanes and landing and rivers. We'd still be talking about it. We'd still be picking up salmon with his pops and then flying them back and eating the salmon in Seattle. God. Kenny fucking G. December 2nd is Kenny G.

Day and we should all we should all fuck. All observe. All observe. Proudly. I might buy a Kenny G. shirt. I'm going to get a wig. I'm going to wear a Kenny G.

wig on Kenny G. Day. You know what's exciting for me, Frankie is that I've never listened to miracles. Oh, dude. I don't know that I have either Oh my God, you have though Like you have it's yeah

I'm sure I've heard it But I've never sat down and said I'm gonna listen to Kenny G's miracle Like his silver bells Like silver bells is just the most like Christmasy song ever And you've heard a billion Versions of it

And then the way he plays it is just like When you hear it you're like Oh yeah that's the one that plays In all the movies And then you know what I mean Like you're just like that's the one That's the original so Like that's the song

He has so many of those if you go through miracles and we are huge Christmas guys. We're celebrating Christmas like you wouldn't believe this year. The biggest. Bro, when you go through that album, you're like, yep, that's the one. Yep, that's the one. Yep, that's the one. Wow.

Do the whole thing from top to bottom. I might start my Christmas listening today with that right now. I told my mom I was interviewing Kenny G today last night and she dropped her like fork. Because that's all they play. Like I've always grown up with music in the house. and it's always been like it's gone through waves and there was like a Kenny G wave it was probably in like the mid 90s late 90s where it was just every day in my house was that saxophone and like it didn't really register until last night when we were talking about it and I went through a Spotify and I'm like holy shit that's right that's him that's him that's him it's nuts Kenny fucking G well that was awesome boys I'm like reinvigorated right now I feel like we just accomplished something and all we did was join a Zoom call and have an absolute legend talk to us for 30 minutes. My elbow doesn't even hurt anymore.

It's just like I feel like I can do anything. Nothing ails me at this moment. All right. Well, that was great. I guess we'll be back next Tuesday. With just a significantly worse show because Kenny G's not on it. You know what I mean? Right.

Don't even listen to Tuesday show. Like our show will never be better than it was today with Kenny G on it. Can we just give him our show? Like, I would just give it to it if you wanted it. Also, this is not just like a plug to listen to the watch the YouTube page or like subscribe to YouTube, which it is. Go watch the interview as well and see what I'm saying where like the way he answered these questions. He had this like smile and this this soft way of like no matter what you ask him. He kind of was like, oh yeah.

Like he was like so into the question. Go look for yourself at how much you have to experience what we experience. You have to. I don't know if it'll translate it. audio as much as it does in video. Yeah, you'll get something out of it if you watch it on YouTube. He is, he's quite a guy. All right.

Well, we'll be back Tuesday with a way shittier, more terrible bad show. And you should, you should listen to it. You're subbing Kenny G for Lurch. Yeah, okay. Hit it hard. Hit it hard.