Fore Play - Kevin Chappell (plus JT interview and Kapalua reactions)

Episode Date: January 8, 2019

Kevin Chappell joins the show this week. Chappy's a 2017 Tour winner, threatened at the 2018 British Open, and has plenty of time to muck it up with us; he just had back surgery. We talk practice rounds with Kisner, why he didn't get the fusion, and what his plans are with golf's new rules. Before the interview, we tell the story of how the Justin Thomas interview came to be and breakdown our thoughts after nearly an hour chatting with JT!!!You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

Hey, 4Play listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcast, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. We are back big year, big start to the year, massive start to the year for the ForPlay Boys. This is actually technically the first recording of a podcast that we've done in 2019. We had our whole space-time warp continuum thing that we did before break, where we recorded all the JT stuff. And then we were like, we should do the whole podcast. so we did all the ad reads in the future, and so we haven't spoken on a golf podcast yet in 2019.

So, Frankie, if you want to do any cool New Year's joke, did you come with any or anything? Well, you sprung that one upon me, but last time... Well, you did your whole thing last time, and it was kind of nobody really knew it was going on. Last time I had to think on my feet was last year. There we go. It's been a year since he had to do that.

Yeah, that's what you came up with? You know what? I got to be honest, the last podcast we did really fucked me up. Like the way we were in the future, we were doing ad reads, and I was like, oh, today, and you guys like, no, it's next week. Yeah, we were doing ad reads and you were already preparing to make jokes when people were like, you could be making those jokes now because they were listening to it in the future. Yeah, I also didn't tell you guys, really, that we were going to record like it was the...

I should have known that, right? We weren't putting it out that day. Mentioned the past. It was weird. We should have known. Frankie should have, but it's pretty obvious. Like, we're putting this out on the first of the year. You did. You still made your jokes.

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We love you, Spring Golf. Go get Supreme Golf. Wow, big show. We're coming off of our Justin Thomas show. We're going to break all of that down, how it happened. We also, on this very show, we have 40 minutes with Kevin Chappell that we recorded. A couple days ago, he had back surgery like a month, a little over a month ago. He didn't have the fusion, which we kind of chirp him for.

We get into all kinds of good stuff. Unruly Long Island fans. We talked about practice rounds with Kisner. It was such a bizarre thing he said. He had no idea. I was from Long Island. No clue. He just happened to say, like, you just like happen to throw a dig at the long island.

Yeah, he just kind of chirped these Long Island kids that were chirping him. Hold the fuck up. It was basically describing Frankie Borrelli and he had no idea. Frankie, like, woke up in the middle of the interview. He was like, wait, what are you talking about? He talks about he's a PGA tour. winner. He's finished top 10 in majors, I think

four times. Last year at the British Open with Tiger nearly won. He came to the 17th T. I think he was a stroke behind. He does fact check me at one point about something. It's a very funny interview. Like I say, he's really good buddies with kids. He plays all his practice rounds with kids. We get all kinds of good stories from him. He's basically... Super surprising, too. I know about Kevin Chappell, but not to the extent that I know of these other golfers. Like, you know, I just see his name on the leaderboard. And I'm telling my buddy's like, oh, yeah, we interview

Chapel and they're like, the guy's a legend. Like, just regular average golf fans who just watch it, like, when the big tournaments are on it, they know that he's a legend. Like, they know he's an awesome golfer and he, like, hits bombs and he's the guy's awesome. He had a sick amateur career. Yeah.

I was looking at something where I were doing our research for it, which clearly I didn't do a great job because I got fact checked by Chappi in the middle of the interview. But his amateur career was off the charts. He was, like, got up to like the number two ranked amateur in the world, which basically, I mean, think about if you're the number two draft pick in, the NHL draft, how good you are?

Like, I think what was, Taze was like number two. Right. Like, think about how good you are. He was like the number two amateur in the world. And then obviously he's, he's had some really good, really good runs, really good performances. He's won on tour. He's competed in some majors. Unfortunately, he had some injuries.

So we were able to get him while he basically, I mean, I was talking to him. And he's like, I'm so bored. I'll do anything. I was like, do the podcast. I was like, yes, please. So it was a very funny, very good interview. 40 minutes. That's coming up after we go through all this other stuff.

We got to talk about Justin Thomas. We got to talk about the new rules, the flag stick in, people dropping from knee height, which is a preposterous look. Capilua. We got mid-round interviews. We got Zander Shafley going crazy. We got all kinds of good stuff to talk about. First off, let's start with Justin Thomas. I don't think anybody thought we were ever going to get Justin Thomas?

Nobody in this room thought we'd ever get Justin Thomas. Nope. Definitely not. I mean, so when we got Bryson, it was like, oh, my gosh, I can't believe we got Bryson. But we bust his balls or whatever in kind of a fun way, some of it's serious. But we really went out, even as a whole company, really. really went after Justin Thomas. It was a little deeper with J.T.

It was a, it was a, and I always tell people, you know, there was this, with J.T. There was this interesting sort of progression where, you know, he was kind of, and he talks about in the interview. He's kind of like Jordan Spee's buddy who came up and was pretty solid, but nothing crazy. And then he caught fire for that, that whole year in 2017. He catches fire. And he's on the spring break trip. He's winning tournaments.

He wins a major. And everybody's like, holy shit, this guy's the. man but it was like i think there was something about him that was kind of irking people not everybody but a good a good chunk of people here and there and then when the honda classic incident happened people were ready to kind of like unleash that a little bit like i'm not 100% sold on this guy us included we kind of you know we got into it on twitter we basically said this is soft as shit um and once all that stuff happened we also had the uh the incident with where he made the comments about the fans when he was out playing in france

before the Ryder Cup. Then he quit back at us on Twitter about that. So at that point, that was really the low point in our relationship with Justin Thomas. And I think, like, we kind of, we used to get, people used to smoke us at that time, being like, you guys are alienating this guy who's the top five player in the world, these boys with, like, with speed, with Tiger, with all these other guys. And you guys are alienated by, like, going after. And we were like, look, this is, we're just saying what we think and how we feel and how we believe

that's literally what we're paid to do. Right. I would say kudos to us there. Like, we are just, we're not going to give. somebody lip service that they do something we disagree with not going to be like oh you know give me excuses we're going to tell it how it is and if you know if that alienates us a little bit so be it and but it turns out he came on the show anyway yeah so it's really interesting how he came on the show and another thing is like one thing one type of phrasing that really annoys me is when people

say and i think even you said it frangy on the show that we like talk shit about guys i don't think we talk shit about talking shit implies where you're you're like gossiping behind people's back about them whereas like if you are critical of people for justified reasons is how i feel Like we were, but regardless, we clearly didn't have a good relationship with JT. So you're right. I thought that that would probably lead to, you know, that he's probably just going to say, screw that crew, whatever, and go about his business, which is fine. Like we talked about he's won, like, $25 million.

He's got, like, nine wins. He has no obligation to come on our golf podcast. No, like, go do your thing. We're going to do our thing, whatever. And the way this all came about, I told a little bit of story about I'll tell a little bit more. And I don't think JT will mind this. but right after the Bryson interview is when his cousin, Zach, who's a great dude, he follows what we do. I think he's, I know he's a Boston Red Sox fan, so he's clearly got some ties to Boston.

So he's a steward to some degree, and he kind of reached out to me about a month, a month before we got JT on, and was like, hey, I'm going to be on vacation with Justin, you know, in like a month around holiday time. And you guys, if you go look at Justin pictures from the Bahamas trip, like Zach, our guy Z's, like right there in the mix, just hanging out with Justin Thomas. But he sent me a couple of messages. Like, JT's my cousin. I really think, like, I know you guys have been hard on him, but he's a good dude. I'm going to send you some pictures and stuff from our trip.

We always have a good time. I was like, cool, man, whatever. And then he hit me up about two weeks before we had J.T. on the show. So early December. And he hits me up. He's like, hey, I'm down here with J.T. He actually listened to the Bryson interview. He's kind of thinking about coming on.

And I had, you know, I've been prepared for something like this happened and gotten a lot of information about the reaction to the Bryson interview and kind of showed, look. Like, even if we're hard on you, if you've come. come on the show and you're a pretty fucking normal dude and you you know talk through a lot of the stuff that's happened tell stories whatever like people people love that people respect the shit out of that whatever and so i kind of showed him a bunch of evidence of that um and then later that day they facetide me jostid thomas legit facetize me now at this point like we're not where we are now at this point like the only contact i've had with jt is he like chirped me back on twitter

one time it was like if you're going to make fun of me at least be funny about it and we had a really bad relationship. So then I'm just chilling on my couch. Me and my roommate Lurch, we're just chilling and literally watching hockey. And I get incoming FaceTime because I'd kind of give him the man, I'm feeling like, is it cool if we FaceTime you later from like the bar of Baker's Bay? I was like, yeah, dude, sure, whatever.

I'm thinking like, this is going to be interesting. And it's just JT sitting in a bar. Just Face Tize me. He's like, what's up, man? And I'm just like, hey. Dude, I get a FaceTime from my best friend and that face pops up. It's weird. It's like you can know that person your whole life and be like, this is weird that we're

FaceTiming. And then for it to be Justin Thomas on the other end And me on the couch And you on the other end Definitely So the first 30 seconds are so very awkward You know I'm like Hey man

How's the trip You know like trying to whatever Small talk We probably face time For a good six or seven minutes It's a long time Yeah And I could tell you'd listen to the Bryson interview

Because he was commenting on it You know he's making little comments About the interview and stuff that he thought was funny And this and that So I could tell you'd actually listen to it And then during the second half That we were just shooting the shit And I could tell like he was, he had made, you know, he made little comments about stuff going on in the golf world and was talking about Baker's Bay and golf with his family and stuff.

And at that point, I kind of knew like, dude, if this guy comes on the show, he'll do really well. Yeah. And I told him that. I eventually, I kind of got a little bit more serious with him. I was like, look, man, like, I think you should come on the show. I think it's one of the smartest things you could do. I think you're pretty fucking normal dude. You're obviously pretty broish.

You've gone out these trips with, with, with, with, with, with, with, and these guys. And, like, you're just a pretty normal 25-year-old dude who had a couple incidents or he came off kind of cocky. We roasted you for it. I think the smartest thing you could do. One of the core things you did you just come on the show. And so we chatted for like I said, five, six, seven minutes, something like that. Then I kind of talked to his agent afterwards and boom. He was like, all right, man, I got some time.

Like, let's set it up. And we did it. So that's how it came to be. Again, you know, I guess we definitely always get some shit when we do these types of interviews because people are like, oh, you guys are just sucking their dicks when they come on the show. I will say there's definitely a degree of like once you come on our show and a great. to do the content that we want to do with you.

Oh, I'm definitely going to knock my guard down a little bit. 100%. Yeah. Like, hell yeah. When you just gain respect for the person, doesn't mean you have to be their biggest fan. Doesn't mean you have to be their best friend.

You're not going to be like the best man in his wedding now because he came on the four plate podcast, but you can respect him more than you did because before that you were just, I was just the fan that, like, would scream at his TV and I didn't know him and you know him as a person. You just like to see all the things that we see on the internet. And react to him. Right.

Exactly. that's our job. Like we are just like you guys, all of you guys out there listening. We're just fans. Like, yeah. For the most part, we're just watching on TV. Yeah, occasionally we get to go to the events and get credential and stuff. And when we do that, we make it more about how ridiculous it is that we're credentialed. But for the most part, we're consuming everything you're consuming and reacting just like you would react or reacting based off the same information that you all have. Yeah. And so that's what we're doing. So then when you come into our world, we're going to, we're not going to like just let you off easily. And right off the gate, I could

tell, like when he, like the biggest incident, the Honda Classic, all that stuff, when he says, like, hey man, I was such a douche, I can't even watch it, how cringy that was. What an overreaction for me, that was such a duchy thing. I hate even watching the coverage. Like, that pretty much right away is like, okay, like he's owning that. I don't know how you can really

own it. It would have been wild if he'd come on and been like, nope, I did exactly what I wanted in that situation. I would do it again. Then maybe we'd be like, well, just hold up a second. Well, and then we would have grilled him for apologize. Why the fuck did you apologize? But when he comes on and he's like, yeah, you know, that, to me and we don't want to do a whole show just grilling him about one incident we did do a good 10 or 15

minutes on that frankie you got to get into it with him with the you guys stuff he had a great answer for that he had a great answer for everything was that when he said get in with a three wood from 350 he's got a fucking side bet over the course of the year on because like again i don't want to suck the guys dick the whole show and all that because there are still aspects of like when i when you when i watch and play where i don't love his reaction to some stuff and that all like our dislike for that came from a very real place and some of that still exists but then when he had that story about the member

coming over to his death, but heroic comment from the random member by the way that was like hey you can't put fire in somebody like this is like the profound the gods of profoundness like touched this member and sent them over and was like go tell JT this but he had a pretty good answer for that he kind of owned that I thought he didn't apologize

for like some of his reactions because I do think he was a little bit of distasteful reactions sometimes on the course where he comes off whiny or whatever you want to say but he did have a good like look I'm fiery on the course that's just how I am and that's why I'm so successful I can't I'm not really going to change that so again I thought he had pretty good answers and then the rest of it telling the stories from from the US Open from the 59 the chirp in himself about being buddies with with speith and being like known as speech buddy I thought came off very much more likable than he had been before yeah you have

to be like a movie villain to like come on and then go away from us being like wow that guy is actually an asshole like he right once he started talking actual golf of them after the first 10 50 minutes of interview that's the most fascinating stuff in there right and i agree so i um so yeah i mean i i definitely think he's significantly more likable um having chatted with him having talked through a lot of those events because previously you know those things just happen and then they move on he's playing every week on the tour so he moves on and then that's all you kind of you don't to get under the surface from a lot of those things, and I thought it was really cool to do that.

So anyways, I guess I don't want to harp too much on the whole thing, but to me, you come on, immediately get some respect, and then you come on and handle everything well and answer the question is pretty damn well. You're going to get a lot more respect. And then when you can really kind of bust some balls and have fun and joke at yourself and all of that, which I thought he did, I think you come off as much more likable.

So that's kind of where I was at with JT. A couple things that didn't go great, the Boston question. the, or the, uh, barstool question. That was my favorite. We got in, we finally got JT on the show. It's going to be big. We think there's going to be this big, you know, slug fest with him about Barstool. And he said, uh, Boston.

Yeah, what's the first thing you think of when you hear Barstool, he's like, yeah, think of, um, he goes, oh man. I think of Boston, you know, and it's kind of like, I don't know if that's, I don't know if that's, I feel like you. When he said that, he was like, I don't know how this is going to go. If he would have said, like, fuck Dave Portnaway or something. I would have been like, oh, yeah. That's what we were looking for. That's a pretty raw answer. That's what we were looking for.

And then the other part didn't go great. The other question was the Ricky Fowler question. What I was like, do you guys give Ricky Fowler's shit for coming down and congratulate you guys on the green every time you win big events? And he was just like, no, not really. That was it. I was like, all right. That question was like an exit that had been closed in the highway. And we were going 100 miles an hour.

We saw it. We turned for a second. He's like, no, that's actually close today. All right. Like that exit's actually closed. We're going to do a detour. Yep. So those guys are boys.

They're not going to like dish on their boys. Which is fine. Totally, but that was kind of a, you're right. Exit. That's just close. We're not doing that. I know you usually go down this road, but today it's just close. So I thought those were kind of the two funny moments where it was just a dead end and we weren't going to get much out of it.

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It's like a fucking painting Every year when they play this tournament This course becomes my number one bucketless course I want to play It's the craziest course of all time I mean the mountains in the background There's like volcanoes and shit You look at

It looks like it almost looks like they put up the saturation And like the contrast on the cameras too Because everything's greener and blue it I don't know I've never seen anything like it And it's so more contrasted too Because it's freezing cold in January In the Northeast and we've all lived up

The wind and you know it's a nice like off the ocean wind and like a breeze. You can hear it coming off their clothes. Oh, right now, I just got like a nice cool breeze through my neck. It looks like they're playing in a fucking made-up course in the Tiger game. Yeah. You know, like you said, like the volcano is going to erupt when he hits a tee shot. It's crazy watching this thing.

It's one of the few times you get primetime golf too, which is really nice. I mean, the coverage started at 6 p.m. the first couple days. There's no way they can actually do it, but I just wish we could do that every single week. And with all the sports that were going on this weekend, especially like last night, there was a ton of shit going on. Like my buddy was like, Frank, are you watching the golf right now? I'm like, oh, fuck, the golf is on. Like, Zander Shultley. He's like, what are you doing?

He's screaming at me from across the apartment. He's like, are you watching the golf? I'm like, there's a million things on. And golf is on prime time. Like, Jesus, it was crazy. It was awesome. Because I got to watch Cody Parky miss and then flipped over to the golf and they still had the whole back nine to play.

It's amazing. What is it happening here? So good. So Capulua. Zander Shofley, he goes crazy yesterday. Bad shit crazy. Bad shit crazy. He's just shoot.

It's kind of a sneaky 11 under. Like, what is that number? 62. In a round of golf, 11 under 62, wins by one. Some of his heroics, I think is the 12th hole where he hold out for eagle. He kind of, I mean, he was charging. He bog his first hole. Then he kind of charges.

I think he hold out for Eagle on the ninth hole as well. But, like, people were really not paying attention to him yet. Gary Woodland chipped in on nine for the Eagle. And I was like, okay. And then just two holes later, three holes later. He just did it again. Who holes out from like 107 yards. It hits this unbelievable wedge that, like, lands 10 feet, skips up.

Right when it starts to spin, it like spins around the pin and goes in. You're like, wait a second. Everyone's trying to do math. Their head, like, wait a second. I think he's like tied for the lead now. So that got into one shot off the lead. Then some of the heroics down the stretch. I mean, on 17, I want to get in some of these yards because on 17, 558 yard par 4.

No one's buried at all day. He rips one, rips a drive right down the middle, hits a long iron to this tucked left pin that looks like it's in the cabbage, basically, hits it to, like, five feet, makes that to take a one-stroke lead. Then on 18, 680-yard par five, rips a drive down the middle. Then he's got some five-wood thing from, like, 280, that he hits to 10 feet. And then they're talking Gary Woodland comes down. He birdies 17, which is that 550 yard part four as well.

And then on 18, he's got, like, oh, Gary Woodland's got a four-iron. I'm like, what? These fucking yardages and distances these guys are dealing with, it's like we're talking about outer space. You know, when they're, when they talk about how far apart galaxies are, like, yeah, that's like two trillion light years away. Like it would take light two trillion years to travel there. You know, like, that can't be a real distance.

That's how I feel about. Well, to the point, it got to the point where I thought that the graphics are incorrect. I mean, there's no way there's a 680 yard par five. And then when I saw Zander just make it onto the green and two, I said there's no, like, I literally rewound the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, to see what was going on. I said he had to have been there in three. 680 yards.

I'm doing the math on my head. What do you hit a 400-yard drive? What are we doing here? He hit a 400-yard drive and then a 280-yard... Three wood. Like five-wood or something. Right on to the green. Perfect draw.

Like a lag putt. It was insane. What is happening? And no one even like clapped. Everyone was like, okay, nice. It's pretty standard. I was screaming. Yeah.

It legitimately looks like they're playing a video game on the moon. With the shots? Is there something about that course? So, yeah, I mean, 17 and 18 are very elevated T-balls, but, I mean, those are still real yardages. I mean, I don't, it's not like if you have a, if you have a 30-yard elevation,

you don't just get to hit them all 400 yards. Let me go through, like, I'm going through, like, my shots on that hole. I'm hitting, at best, like a 275 drive, 280. And then my next one, I can't hit like a three-wood off the fucking deck or a five-wood. I don't have that shot. My next shot's like a five-iron, then I'm just going to try and hit down the middle.

Yeah. Think about it. If you hit that 270 drive, Frankie, you're still. 400 yards away. That's what I mean. My next shot's like $192,200 at best. There's trouble and shit. I'm still like 290 yards away.

I'm not even doing the math right, but I'm still like a light years away. These guys are putting for Eagle. It's insane. I was watching too. The Thursday Friday coverage, these guys, because every year of this tournament, I think Ernie Ells was 31 under at this course one year.

I think Speath was 30 under a couple years ago. So I know the scoring is low here. I do my little preview, so I like, oh yeah, they always shoot pretty low here. I'm watching the first couple days. It's the course is like 7,600 yards or something like that. The first couple days I'm watching this, it's like a 30 mile an hour wind. I mean, guys, shots are like blowing off the green.

I look guys are seven under par. It was crazy. What is this? I think JT put up an Instagram post during the practice rounds where it was like 35 mile an hour wind, something like that. And he had like a five iron from 150 yards out and he was like 10 yards short. He did like a check down five iron and just like didn't make it. So, I mean, on Sunday there was no win. The win was down finally.

But again, for these guys to post these numbers with these yards, these fantasy yardages that they're playing with, I don't really understand it. But it was an awesome tournament. It was, it was as good a finish. That is what I love about this golf course is these last handful of holes. The 12 hole is where DJ almost hold out off the tea last year, where he drove that one. Oh, yeah. And we had Brando on the show. Brando said the greatest golf try to ever hit.

It was like 440, par 40 hit it to an inch. It almost went in. won the tournament by a million strokes last year. And then this year, again, like, I don't, I don't know. It's like gravity's half out there. Yeah, something to do when you're in the middle of the Pacific Ocean. Reminds me of my favorite movie, Moana. Like, there's just magic out there.

Maybe the, maybe the oceans is going out and grabbing the ball and putting it on the fucking, on the green. Remember we get a whole show about Moana one time? People like that. The Rock tangent. Yeah, great character, the Rock. Again, I said I don't love the storyline of that movie. I just don't. I mean, things are just magical out there, man.

You can see it. That's it. I just don't have the faith, right? I always look for, like, a reason. Like, when I think of water and the ocean, I think of death and destruction. And in that movie, it's just like, it helps you out all the time. They try with that big, who's that big monster guy that's down below there? I hate that guy.

Oh, well, it ended up being like the, uh, the, uh, I forgot the name, but it was like the earth, right? It's like a volcano? Yeah, right. And then they wash it out and it became like the earth. Yeah, yeah. What a weird movie. Fuck that movie. But anyways, um, the yardage of the,

everything it's just the whole place it's you're right it's like they're it's i don't understand it's they're detached from planet earth for one one week of golf out there at cap lua and it's awesome the finish is cool like i said that 12th hole where dj hold out we had i believe it was also on that 12th hole where cameron champ this week in the first round hit one out of bounds made par oh yes i saw that that's he went off the house yeah it went off the house out of bounds and then went back on the tea just drilled it right onto the green. Made like a 30-foot.

It was the most impressive par of all times. I've never heard of that. I don't think I've ever heard of someone. No, I remember seeing everyone going crazy on Twitter about it. It's like he just, Cameron Champ just made a par from the T-box. So the course, again, just weird shit happens out there. Good golf coverage, too. They kind of knocked out of the park with the top tracer on.

It's got way more top tracer this year. They were putting them out there, really promoting them a lot too because it makes you turn it on, right? When you see it now, now I need it now. Now you've given me, you've given me a taste. Before you had it and you didn't know about it, you're like, all right, But then once you see it. That Zander shot with the top tracer from the fairway where it just like curved into the 18. Towards the whole.

One of the coolest things I ever see. They've got the mountain. And I don't know what it is, but that one mountain that's in the background in Capulah, that like it looks like it's just, it just descends perfectly into the ocean like a rainbow. That's in the background with those trees. And then he hits this draw, the blue. Perfect blue. We've talked about that blue, how it looks, they make it look like it's literally a frozen rope of ice. Yeah.

Like a little draw he hits in there with the blue. It was so pleasing. I was just laying in bed like this is such a good thing to fall asleep too. This is amazing. You know what they should do with the colors. I don't even know if we've ever mentioned this, but the color should change on the, on how perfect the shot is, right?

Like you should only get that crisp blue when you absolutely rope. Like if you're hitting it, if it's going out of bounds, it turns red? Yeah, it should like, it should start to turn red as it's going to the right. Getting closer and closer.

So it's like an orangeish hue and then it just, it starts blinking red when it's out of balance. It's just getting like dark red. And then they put like the alarm, noise on like err err and he just goes out of it. They should definitely all those shouldn't be the same color. No. Like when you see that blue,

you should be like getting out of the couch. Like, holy shit. When he topped one yesterday, that can't be blue. No, that's got to be black. Yeah. That's got to like, or like an error message needs to come up. It's like we couldn't read it. Good point too.

I mean, he's like topped the ball and like still recovered and ended up one of the best rounds we've seen. So that hole was a funky one. I guess it's 13. And these guys are all hitting. different kinds of shots on 13. Rory was hitting like this little stinger a lot of the time. I think Gary hit

like a little iron stinger off that hole. So I think Shoffley was trying to hit some little stinger thing. I mean, he just cold topped it. That was five seconds after he hold out for Eagle on 12 to get within one. You're like this guy's on 530 yards. I mean, it dribbled into the bunker. It was laugh out loud and funny.

What's happening here? It was like when Shooter McAvin tops it in Happy Gilmore. It's unbelievable. So he tops one, still shoots 62 to win. Obviously makes par. That's the other thing is like they top one and he's just in a fairway bunker, a million yards out, hits it on the green two pots, makes par and not a deal. Almost like cold out. The day is basically over for anybody else.

Right, it's over. I can't. I mentally fuck the rest of the day. So it was an awesome tournament. Shooter McGavin shout out. You see that video of him that went by dancing with the girl? Of him just dance. It's like, I think we put it up on four players or the main one. I think maybe both. Like Shooter McGavin's favorite clubs of Three Wood and something like that. And he's just like dancing with a girl in a bikini. Aggressive dance a dude shooter He pops up every couple months Yeah

He's one of the great He told him about the time he came to Borrelli's I think I said this one's No He came into Borreleys with Oh shit I can't believe I'm forgetting his name It's the guy

From the hockey movie Where he becomes a figure skater Blades of Glory No Oh fuck you guys Wait It's like He's a hockey

It's a movie I guess he wasn't the hockey player And he gets it It's a movie It's a movie where the guy's a hockey player And he turns into a figure skater What year?

It was like an old, like 90s movie. Oh, I think I, oh, I actually think I know that. I'm trying. And there's like a famous, oh, the cutting edge. Yeah, that's right. With, uh... I actually haven't seen it, but I know, I remember the cutting edge. I think you've referenced this before.

Yeah, whatever. Anyway, D.B. Sweeney. This guy, D.B. Sweeney. They're playing a charity golf tournament at the Bethpage Black, and all of a sudden, like, I'm, like, opening up the restaurant. It's like 11 o'clock in the morning. Or 10 o'clock in the morning, actually. I'm like, I'm like walking around the bar. I'm turning on the lights.

And all of a sudden, like, I turned around. It was just, like, Shooter McAvin was just sitting at an empty bar and an empty restaurant. We're still bringing in all the stuff, like, to the restaurant. Like, all, like, the bread and stuff is, like, coming in. Like, all these workers are walking in. Shooting McGavenving, just sitting at an empty bar. I'm like, Shooter. And then, like, everyone else was like, I literally said.

Like, when he left, I'm like, shoot her. And he's like, hey, like, he just looked at me. Like, my sister has a picture of him somewhere with them. It was hilarious. Like, and then all of a sudden, everyone's like, that's also DB Sweetney, like, the cutting edge guy. I'm like, who the fuck is D.B. Sweeten? It was a wild scene.

Shooter. You have to call him Shooter. I called him shooting. Yeah, I felt good. Yeah. And then you know what is Christopher McDonald? Oh, I don't even know. I only know it because I have that little, the history.

We had, we had Twitter or Shooter McGavin on the show last year. No, two years ago. That was two years ago. How about we were able to say two years ago? That's how long we've been doing this thing. We're doing it for a long time. Was it's. Are you saying that because of the actual years?

Or has there been like? It's waste management week will be our, we'll be the two-year anniversary. Super Bowl. That's what I always based on. Super Bowl week. Super Bowl week. Yeah. So then it was probably a couple months after that that we had Shooter on, so it's been close.

Yeah. We had the, but again, what was he like? Twitter, Scheter McGavin. He was great. He's talking all about how he started the Twitter account. Because I remember. I had to go back and listen to this. It was very interesting.

It was pretty interesting. Yeah. He's like his buddies. He's got a shit ton of followers. He's got like 300-something thousand followers. He just posts like. He's very topical. He posts like during football games and stuff like, shoot him and Gavin's stuff.

but it isn't because he does, he talks about topical things, but he always makes it go back to Happy Gilmore. It's quite a skill. Oh, always. Quite a skill. And he runs it by himself. He doesn't have like a team? Runs it by himself. So he's got like a little family and like a real family. Yeah, it's great. A little shooter family. Yeah, totally. He just does a shooter McAvon, like, parody account on Twitter.

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This took the internet by storm. We did have Bryson. this show who described it. We'll plug that audio in real quick. So essentially, if you got a flagstick that's like metal, that's metal or whatnot, you can hit a put and it'll bounce right off of it. It'll have a higher bounce velocity off of the flagstick. Essentially, it's going to come hot off the flagstick.

Those are flags that you want to take out. Okay. If you got a flagstick that's really, yeah, I guess you can say fiberglass, it's really malleable, if you want to say. All that means is it's compressible. and doesn't really shoot the ball off at a higher rate, those are the ones that'll just drop. You can hit a four feet past and it'll hit the flag

like it's going in and a foot pass. And so that's one of the things that we've done. Why do we all take the flags out? Because it's not on the putting, practice putting green. We have those little flags that in there and everybody puts them in. But if you got a good golf, you're like, no, pull it out because you can't do that. It's cheating. Well, there's your answer.

I mean, it's so much easier to leave it with the flags again. So that was Bryson talking all about, you know, why he's going to keep the pin in, coefficient of restitution, all that stuff. Round one, he leads the entire field in strokes game putting. Yeah. Now, Brandl's on. Brandl's like by the end of the year. Everyone's going to be doing this because it's just statistically makes sense. So the only thing stopping guys from doing it right now is a lack of evidence and B, they think it looks ridiculous, right?

Yeah, so I believe JT and Rory both said they just couldn't take themselves seriously if they're putting with the flags to get. that seems like a bad reason not to do it definitely i remember a few years ago i think somebody wrote a study it might have been malcolm gladwell you know he's an author he wrote like if shat so shack is really bad at free throws right i mean okay are we gonna are we not gonna stop trent what are you barcel trent from throwing out uh who who was that Malcolm gladwell are you kidding me right now who the fuck do you think you are all right he's the one who came up with the 10,000 who's Malcolm gladwell oh my god he wrote a book it's fantastic No, I know, but like, still, you just...

I mean, like you dropped that. It was as if you drop references from authors all the time. Right. That's fair. Like, it's that book, the author of the book, Malcolm... What's there? I can't even remember his name. Malcolm Gladwell.

Wow. It's like, you might as well just started quoting Shakespeare. Anyway, I think he was the one who came up if Shaq would shoot underhand. He would shoot way better percentage. And I think he took it to Shaq or somebody... So one of the big men who can't shoot free throws. And they said the only reason they wouldn't do it is because they would look ridiculous. Yeah.

So that's like the same thing. Very similar. actually asked Kevin Chappell about this later in the show so people can stay tuned for his answer. But it's right. It's true. And I get it to a certain extent. When I'm on a practice screen, do you guys do you guys do this? When I'm on a practice screen, especially I go to a nice club, get there like an hour, hour and a half early. And I'm kind of just hanging out, just soaking up the whole club, soaking up the experience, getting ready. And I go on to the practice screen. I usually like to pick my own hole and then take the little mini flags out of the hole. Love it. To put into it just because it feels, I don't know. And people looking at you from. from afar notice that like you're doing something over there. That guy, they see little flags all around, but then they see one on the ground and you putting at it.

It's like that guy's working on his stroke right now. Correct. I'm in the middle of a practice routine. Yes. Routine. That's what it looks like that dude is doing a routine over there. Why don't we give him another couple minutes? He's got something.

Yeah. He's not practiced without a purpose. That guy's practicing with a bad who will put it into the little thing and then he'll flip the ball up. Oh, yeah. He's pocket. That's what my dad does. He takes the flag and he like flings the ball up in the air and tries to catch them all

with the flag. It's like that. You look like, you look insane. Chapel did say something interesting, too, which people will hear in a little bit where he said it's, it's easier also because you have something to aim at. He said it's better for him if he can physically see something. So like if his catty's standing by the hole or if the flag stick is in it, I thought that was interesting. That was very interesting. He had he also, we were growing up, we were started growing up at the end about how amazing it is for him. I remember J.T. too and Bryson, like him, we asked him about golf shots and he started talking about him from two, three, four years ago. He knew the yardage to the front, like the yardage to the hole, the wind. Indirection, all this stuff, like their memory for all of that is outrageous. It's crazy.

So flag stick in. I'm with you. I think that, and I'm with Brano. I think eventually the stigma of how ridiculous it looks will wear off. And guys will just start doing it because, again, even if it's a 2% better chance that your ball goes in with the flag stick in, over the course of an entire season, you're crazy not to just leave it. So I think guys will. I hate to keep deploying the chapel interview, but he said he thinks the rule is going to be gone by the end of the year.

Yeah, I think Bryson actually said that too. Yeah. Which is interesting. I thought it'd be weird for the guys to just put with something new, right? Like, you become a professional golfer with no flagstick, like in your vision as you're putting. And then all of a sudden, you just, like, change it as you're a professional golfer. It's like, that's a very strange thing for me. I think, in my opinion, that would be the biggest deterrent for me.

Yeah. Would be I've learned to do it this way for 20 plus years. And I am a pro at it. So why would I change? Why would I change something? That would be the way I would look at it. Yeah. But if you can get over that, you know, whatever.

The other one is people dropping the ball from knee. height. Laugh out loud, funny. It looks so weird. Oh my God. And they all have to do like a little curtsy kneel. They do. It's like the sorority girl.

Yeah. It's like down a little bit. Especially bright. Like these tall guys, they have to do a little curtsy. It's one of those things that make make scoffers look like nerds again. Oh man. I don't want like images of this and guys like Big Cat and Dave like taking videos of them like getting so serious about how the angle of their drop is going to be and like getting

curtsey and like, come on. Could you imagine the stuff? the first time with Tiger and his red and black. Oh no. Has to do a little mini-Neil. Like, I'm going to do it the old way. I'm doing it the old way. Please just do it the old way.

I want Tiger actually go higher. I want Tiger to go above his head, like up into this guy. Like even imagine, right? Like Tiger, you know, let's say he's on like, he's on the last final hole of a major. He's got like a one-stroke lead. And he's not taking a penalty drop. He just has to get like a little relief from something. And everybody's watching.

It's a super intense moment. He's in the red and black. Crowds are going crazy. And he's just doing like a cut. I hear like a like when the ball hits like a little high pitch like a doink into the water

It looks ridiculous So I guess I didn't realize it But you have to drop it from knee height Oh you have to now I think the original proposal was you can drop it From shoulder or knee height Now it's you have to But they are telling players

If they drop it from shoulder height They're able to re-drop it as long as someone informs them that did it wrong Before they hit the ball Because people were going to do it wrong Like I think it already happened So that And then the other last thing I wanted to talk about was the mid-round player interviews.

The PGA Tour is experimented with these for the first time this past weekend. They're legitimately in the middle of rounds interviewing players as they're walking down the fairways and stuff. They are giving players the option to opt in or opt out of this, I believe, like the beginning of the week. And then also they're asking them in real time, like, hey, is it cool if we do an interview and they can just say no? I honestly can't decide how I feel about these. It's going to sound obvious, but it's true. It depends on the golfer and it depends on the person doing the interview. Right.

Like, those are the two biggest parts of it. You're going to get some. Like, they did it with DJ and he was, he was DJ. He was, he actually laughed at the end of it, which is crazy. That's about as much emotion as you're ever going to get out of him. So, like, he's the one, he's probably a guy you don't want to do, although he seems like you would because he's a very good golfer, but he's not like a great interview. So you got to pick the right guys, and you got to have somebody like, Shane Bacon would be great at it, I think. Yeah, it'd be phenomenal.

Yeah. I mean, it's basically what he was doing during the Tiger film now. Right, right. So those are kind of the new things to watch out for this year. We don't want to keep you for too long because, again, we got 40 plus minutes with Kevin Chappell, who was very funny, very insightful. Anybody got anything else? No.

No, I don't think so. I think we covered it all. Sony Open this weekend, and then we're getting closer and closer. I mean, how about there's going to be a major championship just down the street in like four months? That is exciting. Isn't that nuts? That's, wow. I got to get back into like my Long Island mode right now,

because I moved to the city, so I got to get back. The islanders are helping me get back into it. But I feel like for a couple months, I was starting to become a city person where I was like, oh, I got to go back in Long Island. Yeah, you need to get back in that load.

I need to get back into it. Because, like, if I was still living on Long Island, I'd be like, it's right down the fucking block from my house and shit. Now I've got to, like, travel there. Yeah, it feels like it's in a different state. Yeah. I'll get back into it, though.

Yeah. All right. Next up, Kevin Chappell. Enjoy. All right, next up, we are joined by Kevin Chappell. Chappie. We've had him on before, actually, Ryder or President's Cup a couple years ago

with a couple other guys. Now we get him alone, basically because he's bored from injury and has nothing else to do. So, Chappie, what's up? And you stole my material already. Yeah, we had kind of a trend of we eight. There's a lot of eight-miling that goes on here.

People steal each other's material and all that kind of. The first time we met Kevin, we went to the stage of S&L and took a picture in front of it. It was like, what a strange first time. I'm trying to meet him. I forgot about that. Yeah, we kind of have a sick picture together. Yeah, I mean, you guys seem more into it than I was.

Not really a S&L history bus, but, you know, it's always good to experience a bucket list item with other people. You're like, yeah, what is this? You want me to go over here? Yeah, sure, I'll take a picture here. That's fine. Wait, this show airs at what time? I'm usually not sober then, so I don't remember that. But it's nice to have you back on.

So you had, I think it's like a little over a month. month ago, you had your micro-dicectomy surgery, which I shout out to me for saying that, I think correctly. Are you kidding me? That was insane. You should not even reading anything. He goes, hold on. What are you going to chime in there?

No, you did it right. I asked for the fusion. They wouldn't give me a fusion. So now you're stealing our material. We're going to chirp you hard, be like, what are you wasting everybody's time for here? That was like the one thing I was going to contribute to this podcast. I'm like, hey man, I'm kind of a fan. I don't really know much about you, but why the fuck didn't you get a fusion?

Like, what's going on? Then you just say it. Let's just redo that. I mean, as you know that Tiger Woods is next level. I mean, that surgery is next level. So I'm not quite there yet. True. Do you have to be, you have to have a certain pedigree to get the fusion surgery?

Interesting. Do you have to be a certain type of person? You have to be that fucked up to get the fusion surgery. So you had the surgery, I think, what, November 28th. Is that right? Yeah. So November 28th, it's been a little over a month. what is it what have you been doing since um that'd be a big nothing but uh you know i try to fill

my time in my days so i try to go have coffee somewhere every day um there's been some light rehab in the last few weeks and uh you know it's been fun to be around the kids um you know i've been around a lot more so that's gratifying and frustrating at the same time because now i know why my wife so tired at the end of the day. But, yeah, it's been filled with not much, but, you know, it was nice to have the holidays in there. So, you know, two of the weeks that I really couldn't do anything were basically accounted for. Is your family, you think your family's, like, sick of you? Like, why is he just around all the time now?

You know, my kids are taking advantage of it a little bit. My son, he's like three and a half. And he knows that dad can't bend over and, you know, dad's not supposed to lift certain things. and so he'll be like getting punished and I'll be trying to punish him he's like dad you can't bend over so you can't put me in my bed I'm like dang how are you going to come with the truth right now I'm trying to punish you like come on man I'm in a week I'm in a week spot this kid just like lays on the ground he's like trying to pick me up yeah exactly exactly I dare you to pick me up right now that's incredible so what's the what's the most surprising

thing to you that you've done to try to pass the times or like a book that you read that you never thought you'd read or a show that you've watched or something? So, I've learned that David Goggins is my spirit animal. Okay. I don't know if you guys know about David Goggins. I do know who that is. Yeah, he's a crazy motherfucker, man. He's a crazy motherfucker.

And I've read and now listening to his book, those latest books that he's doing a book tour about. And, you know, that's been fascinating. He's got me ready to run through a wall. And I try and stand up. And I'm like, oh, boy, that's no walls for me. And then I read Kobe Bryant's book. I was never, even though I went to school in L.A.,

I was never a big Lakers fan, just because that was when they were really good. And I was just like, oh, I'm going to be the opposite and root against them. So I got spited quite a bit, but I read his book, and it's pretty impressive to see what, you know, he put into his craft and why he was so elite at what he did. I haven't really been able to watch too much TV because I can't, I haven't been able to, like, turn my brain off. I sit there and I feel like I had supposed to be doing something. So I get my phone out and then I'll like, you know, miss 30 minutes of a show. And I'm like, what?

Where did this time go? So TV hasn't been a big thing yet. So Kobe was on one of our newer podcast, The Corp, with Big Cat and Arod. And he, first of all, incredibly intense guy. But a bunch of the, all of him talking about how he would teach himself to write while he was in the league. and then all of his knowledge about defending certain players and how to force him one way and the other way was, I was stunned at that guy's commitment to his craft and his knowledge.

It was crazy. Yeah, unbelievable. That's what, I mean, that book goes into all of that. And just how much time he spent and how he figured out how he can maximize a day by doing workouts late at night. So he's not missing family time. And just, I mean, he's talking about taking, he took a nap 15 minutes before a game seven.

that he played in. I'm like, what? And he's just like, I just listen to my body, you know? Wow, I could probably take a little bit from that. You need to, so, Chabby, you need to, when you can walk again, then you need to reread that book and then you come out swinging. I mean, I can walk. I just can't

like, can't twist, can't bend. I'm not, like, in a wheelchair. If you ever do get into watching TV shows, I got two recommendations for you on Netflix. You watch Birdbox, which is the really popular movie right now with Sandra Bullock. If you get on Twitter or anything, you'll be, be able to understand the memes, which will be good.

And then two, Luther, Idris Elba. I don't know if you know who that is, but that's a really good show, too. So if you get into shows, start watching those. All right. I'll check that up. Birdbox especially. So let's go back to the surgery. Describe the decision to have the surgery, what led up to it, what it was like all year long,

and then ultimately you'd be like, okay, I need to do this surgery that's going to make me essentially paralyzed for a couple weeks. So I've had back issues for like five years that, and the issues have consisted of like I'll have a flare, what I call a flare up, and my sciatic nerve will be real painful. I won't be able to bend or twist. My spine will go out of alignment. And they typically only lasted, you know, three to ten days.

And I, you know, get some PT done, see your chiropractor, see a massage therapist, and it would all kind of fix itself. Well, starting in about April of this year, I withdrew from the match play after one and a half matches. And just because I didn't want it to be all messed up for the masters. And I just really never got healthy. I had this lingering sciatic nerve pain, discomfort. And so this offseason, I had a plan to try and fix that.

I was going to go get stem cell done in my bag to help regenerate that area, try and get it healthier. And so I had my team on my daily updates. You know, I'd tell them how I slept, what the plan was for the day, how I was feeling. And, you know, I get responses from them. You know, hey, try this, do this. You know, don't work out today.

It sounds like you slept terrible, whatever. And so one day I send my audio message. And, you know, I'm very condescending and sending these audio messages because they're having me do just some of the craziest stuff, you know, take this supplement, do this at this time, do this. And I'm like, all right, guys, I'm all in. I'm going to get better. So I'm going to do it.

But I would always talk to them very condescendingly. So I send this message I get a call immediately for my doctor and he's like okay you have no feeling in your foot or your leg today then basically the next thing that could happen is you can lose control your bowel movements

you in for that and I'm like no that's kind of where I draw the line and so he's like I think we got to get surgery and so it was you know at that point it was about quality of life and being able to live you know play with my kids what I want to and be as active as I want to. So I just got to work on researching doctors that did the surgery that I needed,

the microdicectomy. I actually reached out to Tiger. He gave me the name of the guy that did his, and he's been really supportive of it. And ultimately, I ended up finding a guy in Scottsdale that has kind of revamped the microdicectomy surgery. And a typical doctor has an 80% success rate on the surgery, and this guy has 100% success rate due to.

some like alterations in the surgery so I went with him and um so far so good 100% that's pretty high yeah I'm gonna go with that one yeah I'm gonna go with the hundred did tiger respond just like fusion is that what he said no he was he was great it was actually interesting he didn't give me the name of his doctors that did his microdicectomy um he gave me the name of the doctor that ultimately did his last surgery um and uh you know I reached out um to that um um so that um surgery center and had a consult with them, but ended up, you know, staying more local. Very cool. So now, like it said, it's been a little bit over a month. You mentioned you're getting into the rehab game. What's the timetable look like from here? When can we expect you to be playing

golf again? You know, that's a good question. I should be able to play golf maybe April. And, you know, there's obviously a lot of unknown on where the game will be, how long that'll take me to get back. And, you know, I've kind of committed myself to not looking at anything before the British Open just to give myself mentally a date and try to put it as far out there as I can. And if it comes earlier, it comes earlier. If I feel good earlier, you know, I can always play. But that's what I have circled is the British Open. And you might see me actually go to Europe a little bit and play over there and use that and some rehab starts and then play the British Open and then, you know, start back up in the fall.

I like that. A little, yeah, I mean, the British Open coming off last year, you obviously had a great showing. You're tied for the lead going to the final round. You kind of feel like you're like a lynx golf guy now? Well, I'm going to fact check, yeah. I was three back starting the final round, but. Wow, a little fact.

Feels good to be fact checked. Yeah, that's for you. You must have me confused with the other Kevin. No, no, that Kevin. you're way more impressive than he is in my opinion actually it's impressive what he does with how little he's got that is impressive correct correct

for anybody out there we're talking about kids Kevin Kisner and and you're right for what he's got what he's able to get out of that it's wildly impressive but yeah so link's golf I mean it's something I've always thought I would enjoy and I really never had any success on it and I think last year

I played the Scottish Open the week before and missed a cut. But it was just that I had that many more reps going into the open championship and felt that much more comfortable than I typically do. Makes sense. How did you get, yeah, I was going to ask kind of, you know, with how baked out everything was over there last year being an American guy. Obviously he doesn't get to play much, Link's golf.

What kind of, you know, what kind of alterations you make anything to your game, to your bag to kind of play that course of. little differently? So for me, it was nice to see more reps. So I kind of made no mistakes in the bag the week before. Like, I played a three wood in the Scottish Open, and it got windy, and I'm like, this club is pointless. And that was the week that Tammondade came out with a Gapper, the week of the Open

Championship. And so I ended up playing a driver and then some sort of like one iron type driving iron deal, and then adding, and then I was able to have another long iron. So I went like, driver. one iron, two iron, four through wedge. And, you know, basically because I figured the three would be, you didn't need it anywhere in that golf course. And, you know, it just goes so high that the wind is going to kill it.

So I had more control with, say, the one iron than I would have with the three wood. And so that was alterations to the back, for sure. So Carnusti, well, you obviously, you were in the mix on Sunday going down the stretch. You know, you obviously have won on tour before. But what was that experience like? I know you have, I think, four? You can fact check me on that. Four top tens in majors, so you've been there before.

But, you know, what are nerve levels like? Because a major is obviously that next step after you win on the PGA tour. So the Saturday of the open, I played with Jordan's Peace, you know, champion golfer of the year. And, you know, that was probably one of the cooler experiences I've ever had. Just playing with Jordan, the respect to fans have for him. him and being their champion golfer of the year. And, you know, he would get a standing ovation on every green.

Now, you know, while I'm playing, I'm convincing myself they're clapping for me. Thank you guys. Thank you so much. You know, just the applause as he would get and, you know, that side of it. And then we both were playing well and kind of feeding off each other. You know, he made Eagle on the first hole that on Saturday, drove the green. And it was like, whoa, okay, here we go. So, you know, that was cool and really kind of got me ready for Sunday.

Sunday was a brutal weather, by far the hardest day we had. There's a comfortable pairing for me. I played with kids, and neither of us got to a good start, but we were able to kind of settle down there in the middle of round and give ourselves a chance coming down the stretch, which is all you can ever ask. It is very cool. That tournament was, too, with that leaderboard, like you mentioned,

Speeth. Obviously, Tiger made a little bit of a run. Rory was in the mix with all the leaders and all that. It was one of the more exciting tournaments we've seen. I'm glad you guys enjoyed it. Isn't that what we're here to do is entertained? That's right. Are you not entertained?

We are entertained. It's a gladiator reference. Yeah. I think I referenced Gladiator a lot. It's one of my favorite movies. You have said that before on this podcast. Are you not entertained? No, that Gladiator is one of your favorite movie.

Yeah, I like Gladiator. So next year, USGA, well this year, it's 2019. USGA with the new rules, they're rolling out. Let's talk about those a little bit. First one that's getting all the buzz is the flagstick rule. We saw it. Yesterday was the first round of 2019 out at Capitol. Capulua, Bryson D. Chambot, who we had on the show, you said you listened to that one with all the coefficient restitution stuff.

Pretty much the only guy, I think, that's really leaving the flag stick in at this point, led the field yesterday, and strokes gained putting. I think it was both J.T. and Rory said that they would never take themselves seriously if they were putting with the flag stick in. What's Kevin Chappell's theory on that? Listen, Bryson's a lot smarter than I am, and if he's done the research and is doing it himself, there's no reason to I shouldn't be doing it as well. Now, that being said, I'm not playing and I don't have to really make that decision for, let's go out nine months. So, you know, it's a lot easier for me to say that based on, you know, he putted the best

yesterday. He's done the research. I wouldn't be surprised if you see that rule go away, though. They might alter that four tournament play, and then, you know, we won't be talking about that. But as far as if I were to play today, I don't see why you would. wouldn't do it. You know, golf is the only sport where your target's really in the hole, or is in the ground. And so to have a flagstick standing there, you know, we can all throw a ball and hit something from 10 feet away. So it'd be easier to aim at something that was, you know,

out of the ground in front of you. So it would take some practice and getting used to, but I think I'm in. Yeah, I think Brando made that point that he was kind of like, well, look, if it's a 2% better chance or something of that nature. And I think everyone's just going off of Bryson's research at this point. So there's a lot of trust in him. But if it's like a 2% better chance that your ball is going to go in, yeah, you might be like, you know, it looks dumb, but Brandl's like by the end of the year, if they don't take this rule away,

I think that almost everybody will just be having the flags they can because even if it's 10 shots over the course of the season, that's a difference between winning the FedEx Cup and finishing 15th of FedEx Cup, I mean, could be that different. For sure, I know from my experience, anytime it would be questionable if I need the flag tended or not, I'm having my catty tended. I just notice I'm better putting to someone there or something more substantial than the whole.

So, you know, I think if you could, for me, if I could trick myself with the flag stick was that something more, I think I would be that much better. So you now have to drop from knee height instead of shoulder height. Do we like or dislike this? That's going to help me. I got short legs. and really long torso and arms. So, you know, basically my arms touch the ground when they walk.

And the knees aren't that far off the ground. So, you know, I think I'll be able to get some better lies and, you know, really use the rules to my advantage. I mean, making it sound like you should be placing the ball out there, basically. I mean, there probably is a few guys that could do it. You now get three minutes to search for your golf ball instead of five, like or dislike? Like. I mean, if you hit it that far offline, you should be penalized.

You can't find your ball in three minutes. I like that. Can now fix spike marks, imperfections, all that stuff on the greens like or dislike. Wait, we couldn't do that before? Or the, what is it, ballmark? I'm kidding. I like that rule.

I think, you know, Jimmy Walker tried to make this point earlier, or last year about the backstopping. And, you know, the ballmarks is really up to those in your group if they think it's a ballmark or not. If you're playing with one of your boys, you know, I don't care what it is. It's probably going to be a ballmark. So, you know, that rule needed to be changed anyway. Gotcha.

That was the guy. It was a little inside the tour of the boys. That's a little like, that's a little like, you're playing with your boys. Everything's a ballmark on the green. That's a little inside baseball there. I mean, were you guys not tapping down ballmarks when you, or spike marks when you were playing? I mean, first of all, we're not out there like playing on the fucking PGA tour, but. I can't get the ball.

ball on the goddamn green. But yeah, we were... Divit or a spike mark. No, you're right. We pretty much fixed literally anything on the green. We just fix it. I did have a guy one time who called me out because, like, the cup was a little bit messed up. We were playing in a, like, a member, member event at this club.

And the cup was a little bit, whatever. Like, there was like a mark on the side of the cup, and my partner's getting ready to put from 40 feet away. And I went up and just kind of, like, fixed it real quick with a ballmarker, tapped it down. And he picked up his ball and goes, we won the hole. That's illegal. and just walk to the next phone. It's fucking crazy.

It was insane. We win. We didn't even talk about it. He just took his ball and went home. He literally did. And he was like, look up the rule. We won the hole. You cannot fix the green.

And I was like, what is going on here? So, yeah, people do you take that stuff pretty seriously. PGA tour this week experimenting with mid-round interviews. I believe they're giving people, you know, the option, maybe even earlier in the week. do you want this? Do you not? I think a couple, I think it was like, because I saw yesterday, DJ yesterday, Leishman yesterday, we're doing a couple of them.

Thoughts on mid-round interviews, player interviews. So when I played the, I guess it was a nationwide tour before the web.com tour, and they were doing mid-round interviews out there. This would have been in 2010. And I guess I thought I was a bigger deal than I was, and I just didn't want to do a mid-round interview when I was out there competing.

Now I'm all in. Let's talk. For me personally, the better I or the more I talk, the better I play. So I'm all in. Interesting. Yeah, I guess it is just very much a player by player. You know, I'm curious if there's really, it depends if you have someone who's talented enough to get something that's interesting enough to make it worth it.

Right? Because if it's just going to be a cookie cutter bullshit answer. Yeah, because you see they do that in the NBA at the end of like first and third, first and third quarter. They interview Greg Popovich. He's like, we got to play better. It's like, well, all right. I wish my guys play a little more energy. Sweet, dude. That's great. Yeah. I'd say you're going to get two noteworthy interviews this year or good quotes out of players that, you know, they get caught in the wrong time. But I'd say overall, it'll give it it'll give the viewer a little bit of insight to what's going on and what the guys are thinking. Do you think it'd be problematic for you if they miced you up for an entire round?

Yeah, we're going to have to put that one on Showtime. That's kind of what I thought. So you've obviously, you've won on tour, as we mentioned. Not many people can say that. You had several close calls before your eventual win, including playoff loss at the Tour Championship. So then you're coming down the stretch at the 2017 Valero, Texas Open. You know, how much does that other experience help you in that moment

and how are you kind of feeling in that moment? So in 16, I had a bunch of close calls, and I truly felt like in each close call, I made a different mistake that kept me from winning. And so that was, I looked at that as a positive. It's like, hey, I'm not making the same mistake twice. Like, if I can just stop making, you know, stop them the first time that happened, then, you know, eventually it's going to, you know,

I won't make the mistakes and I'll get the win. And so I really pulled from that, those close calls in 16 when I got in contention in 17. And, you know, I've had some success around Valero. So I lost my shot, my rookie year there to burn and steel. And so I kind of had already hit the shots on that course under the gun in that situation. And so I was able to pull from that as well and it really was at ease that week. So 72nd hole you're coming down. I need Bertie to win.

Walk me through how the rest of that played out. Well, it was kind of nice because it was playing the end of the wind that day. So I wasn't going to be able to get there too. and so the T shot becomes a lot easier because you don't have to be as precise because you're hitting as far down there. So I was able to swing kind of freely there and hit a good layup, which was a little nervy. There's a bunker right and a hazard left.

And then, you know, I had had a similar yardage at the Tour Championship to get up and down to win the year before. And, you know, I just learned from that and, you know, staying aggressive. And, you know, really just tried to make the shot as opposed to, hey, that's trying to get up and down. And, you know, I hit it to eight feet. And my boy Hoff had made the same putt the year before, and I was able to recall from that.

I knocked it in. Man, it's crazy to hear how much kind of previous experiences and things you're drawing on in these moments. That's nuts. Yeah, I'm kind of a, I'm kind of spacey out there. So I have a lot of those thoughts. Like, oh, man, I remember I got, I do it a lot at Augusta or some of your historical tourist sites.

And you're like, oh, remember when Phil hit that shot here? Remember Tiger made that putt here, and my caddy always looks at me like, how are you thinking about that right now? Your ball's in a tree. And I'm like, oh, yeah, sorry. That's awesome. Do you think anyone's ever delivered more two-arm fist pumps than you did after that put dropped?

No. And, man, you always feel so much cooler in the moment. And then you see it afterwards, and you're like, what was I doing? I look like David Duvall. Yeah, he's not the most impressive. of all time. He's a good dude, though. You guys need to get him on this show.

Oh, we'd love to get Duval on here. That guy's an interesting cat. We'd love to have him on. So what changes at that moment? You know, you win to the normal person, like I said, well, nobody will ever understand anything anywhere close to winning on the PGA tour. What's it like to win and why is it so important to you guys?

Because, like I said, the emotion you're showing and all that, it's clearly you guys talk about it all the time. Why is it so important to win? you know because it's the hardest thing to do so you know it's the ultimate goal it's the ultimate challenge and you know we've been fortunate to that you know Phil and tiger and in that this era have won so much and made it look so easy but even Phil he wins at less than 10% or whatever it is so you know what other sports could you say you know winning at that rate would be you know great you really can't so it's just flat out hard to

do and so it feels good when you do it and uh you know it as far as like setting up your career it really sets up your next few years um i was fortunate enough to be in the top 50 um when i won so for me i was already in all the majors i was in the world golf championship events so i didn't quite get that boost of uh you know getting into those events through winning but um that would be another reason why it means so much because you can start getting into events that you wouldn't traditionally be in yeah i think it's important for a lot of people understand that just kind of how it paves the way and like you said, gives you a steady job and schedule and all of that going forward for the next couple of years. Yeah, I would say, you know, if you have 125 guys, you keep it their card, you probably have 100 guys that are strategically looking at their year and having to think about, okay, I need to keep my job before anything.

And, you know, you have your elite players, like, you know, even like Tiger coming back from injury. He has a different outlook than I do. He's going to come back soon as he's healthy. I have to think about this from a strategy standpoint. What events do I like to play? When do I want to play? I have a limited number of starts that I get and want to use those to my advantage

as opposed to just playing whenever I feel ready and coming back because, hey, I got to keep my job, whereas Tiger has his job for life. Right. Yeah, it is. It's very different for everybody out there. So we're rooting for you, Chabby.

We're pulling for you, pal. Oh, I appreciate it. How many times when I was inside the ropes in the practice round with you and kids at Shinnock, would you guess I was just generally in the way? Austin. It really made me question your golfing ability because you would be throwing balls for kids or someone like, hey, go hit this shot. And then you'd be recording. And then you'd be like, oh, the flag's over here and be on a 10 degree left to right slope. And you'd be standing where we had to land it.

I'm like, well, I wonder how he would play this shot. There was one point on the eighth green, I think, where Kevin's in the bunker. And I'm like, stay in the middle of green, my phone out, like video and something. He's just like, hey, Reg's like, is it cool if I just hit a bunker shot here? You're just not in the way. I was like, oh, yeah, that's probably a good point. So it was a little, it was a little bit of a couple mistakes. Well, eye opening for you, like, oh, maybe I don't know this course.

Well, at the very beginning, I was very cautious. just like, what am I doing here? And then I started to take a couple more liberties. And like I said, like, by the seventh, eighth hole, I'm just walking in the middle of the green while these guys are trying to get ready for the U.S. open. I think you were holding kids as potter and one-handed pots and stuff, weren't you? Oh, yeah.

So I told the USDA guys that afterwards, and they were like, don't ever do that ever again. Does Kiz always chirp you as much as he was then during every practice round? Yeah, kids and I were really good for each other socially and probably bad. for each other on the golf course. Just because you've got to outchirp the other guy and then you forget what you're doing. But we are very like-minded and our wives are like-minded, so we spend a lot of time together. Yeah, is kids kind of your number one practice round partner?

Yeah, he's a good one. Me, kids and Charlie, we play a lot of practice rounds together and we find a fourth. And, you know, some order of that will be teams. And I don't know, I can't tell if it's better to have kids on your team or not on on your team so you can chirp at him. Yeah, he too, he was telling me he was like yesterday, Riggs, I think I, he's like, I think I hit, I think I lost the ball in the first like seven holes. And then today, the day that I was inside the ropes, he was lights out.

Yeah. So you don't know. That's the game of golf, man. So President's Cup, like I mentioned, 2017, how different was that from anything else you'd ever experienced? Yeah, I mean, the atmosphere is phenomenal. And to be on that team, you know, for me was awesome, you know, and to earn it the way I did, you know, having to finish with not peek on myself coming down the stretch in Boston.

And, you know, I still managed to spit up a little bit. But I was able to win or get that last spot was, you know, to earn it was great because that team, as you guys know, would be like playing on the Golden State Warriors. You know, I was just trying to find my playing time. And, you know, it was fun to Charlie and I play. played that second day and to get to not have to experience the nerves you know the first day was a bummer but also probably a blessing in disguise because um you know we get to watch guys you know have a successful first day and then you know charlie and i kind of just fell into the mix and

were able to get a pretty dominant win um i guess on friday and then um you know saturday afternoon was a bummer to not um clinch the the final point but uh you know just the whole experience was phenomenal. Yeah, what was the, what was the scene like on Sunday night with that crew? Would get a little wild? Did you guys watch the press conference?

I did. Press conference was a shit show. I mean, that was just the intro to the night. But yeah, that was fun. The flight the next day was not that fun. I'll tell you that. That's kind of how it goes. Unfortunately.

Yeah, it's a real shame that it works that way, really every time, which sucks. Favorite golf course on the PGA tour? I always answer this one with majors versus non-majors. So my favorite regular tour event would be Riviera. Just love the history there. I love the style of golf, you know, tree line. You shape it with a hole.

And there's really no gimmicks to that golf course. It's right in front of you, but it's hard as it get. and then Augusta would be my favorite major venue we play. Gotcha. I feel like we almost need to stop asking that question because everyone says Augusta.

People just say Augusta. But favorite golfing experience wouldn't be Augusta. It's just, you never, you know, it's a phenomenal place and there's wonderful people there,

but I never feel comfortable. I never feel like, I never know what I can and can't do, and I never really feel that comfortable. So the golf course is great. experience of like being on the property is a little it would be a little much for some what's your what what what club or course or uh you know kind of top rated course and club and all that it would be kind of your favorite golfing experience oh that's a good question you know i'm unfortunate to be a member at whisper

rock and that's kind of what they pride themselves on there is it's all about the hang and so it's just an awesome men's grill um you know good tv situation good you know everyone hangs out and has a beer after words and food and you're watching the you know whatever sporting events are on and you know you can basically do whatever you want so um I'm a big fan of that one yeah I've heard whisper I've heard really really good stories about whisper rock heard that place is a fantastic place to hang out you guys come out for the Phoenix open let me know I'll uh ran the cart with you I mean that that that might be a we might have to take you up I hope that wasn't just a token invite because I'm going to take you up on that for sure come on come on how far is your

stock seven iron go now or normally typically not not right after back surgery uh 180 180 i feel like that's just a good marker for most people because like they like to know seven iron compare because sometimes you see these guys and it's always inflated it's not always but a lot times it could be or feel inflated because it'd be like way down hill downwind they'll be like it's two oh five and the guys got a seven iron so stock seven iron 180 it's pretty impressive uh if you could have one golf shot back your entire career what would it be? Oh, good question. Thank you.

That's two. That's your second. Good question. You're on a roll. Okay. We always count how many times the guest says good question. You haven't gotten to Arm and Contagion status where you got five. Good question.

Anyways, if you could have one. I would say the 17th, the 71st hole of the Tour Championship in 2016. I hit a driver off that T and Mr. Farrow by a yard. end up having to pitch basically pitch out from there and then try and get up the up with par and end up making bogey losing a playoff so I would say any number of those shots on that hole of the of the four I hit before I tapped in I would take over and know that I could do better than what I did well part of your game are you most confident in um but I'd like to say I'm one of the better drivers of the ball so um my driving has a fan or

member of the gallery ever gotten under your skin? Yeah, I like the shirt. I'm not afraid to chirp back. Shinnock this year on Saturday. There was some guys on the 7th T, the par three there, the Rodan Hole. Yeah. And this guy, I was playing Daniel Berger, he were one of the first few groups off on Saturdays.

So you're not playing any good. You're just, I'm already getting my ass kicked by Shinnock. And these guys are on the T. and from when we step on the tee to when Daniel hits his shot, this guy does not stop talking. And he's a long, he's got the Long Island accent. And he literally doesn't.

Oh, what does that mean? Frankie's a long island guy. Was it Frankie Borrelli? I mean, did it look like Frankie Burrelly? So, what's the long island accent?

What is this guy I got there saying like, man I got in like rigatone? That's just your fake Italian accent. You can tell where he's from, you know? Yeah, I believe me. He's comfortable. He's in his. element.

Come on. This is a family show. This guy's just talking, right? And so I hit, and he continues to talk the whole time. And so I look at him and he's with his buddy. It's two dudes. And I said, is he always like this? And he's like, well, what?

I'm like, well, you're a bad friend because you need to tell him he's not that funny. And then so those two guys, they just constantly chirped me on Instagram. They, like, started like a group thread and they always post me and stuff. and, you know, I'll post a picture of me and my family, and they'll be like, you look like, it looks like you have an unshavened vagina on your face. So I'm like, okay, guys, this was six months ago. I'm sorry that I made you feel small six months ago. Yeah, I mean, you buried it.

What's the guy going to say at that point? I mean, I guess maybe they're burying me still because, you know, they keep your up with me. But, you know, so I'm not afraid that I bark back. I like that. But it's all playful. Yeah, I feel like, I feel like you got the better. that guy there and you're the guy hitting the golf shots at the end of the day so i mean what's that guy doing he's just on instagram all day with his long island accent no offense frank what's the

most fun you've ever had on the golf course you know i'd have to say the president's cup it was the most fun i've had um competing um you know to get to do it with charlie who's a good friend and uh be a part of that team was was awesome um i'm i like a good social round the golf um we've had some good matches out at Whisper Rock and do drinks flowing and music going. It's hard to beat that. There's just a hell of an endorsement for Whisper Rock going on right now. The thing is I haven't been there in months, but it keeps coming up. So it's my spot, I guess.

I guess that's a good sign. So you play golf at UCLA had a sick amateur career. Why did you pick UCLA? I was the only place that would take me. I had like a criteria that I wanted to meet with my first. school. I wanted to have big sporting events. I wanted to be able to play right away when I came in school and I wanted to get a decent

education. They checked all the boxes of the schools that were recruiting me. So I was able to go there unless I took advantage of it. You got a great color scheme too. I think that would be a number one maybe the color scheme in the country is UCLA. I agree. Yeah.

There's just so much history in the sports and alumni there. And, you know, I was fortunate to be there while John Wooden was alive. And so just to get to see him sit in his seat at Polypavilion. And, you know, here's some of the knowledge

he was still dropping was pretty special. Didn't you get, I believe, did you get inducted into the Hall of Fame there? I did. Recently. No big deal. Wow. That was cool.

I hadn't been through the UCLA Hall of Fame in years, but to get to see some of the names there and talk with some of the other Hall of Famers, it was really cool. Bill Walton was there during the inductions, and he just still lives and brings UCLA and to see what he did as a professional and still feel that way about where he went to school,

I think shows a lot about him, but also about UCLA and his experience. You should have. on Instagram in your picture of that when you got inducted you should tag that douchebag from Long Island from the Redan Hall yeah I should yeah just a random cousin

just frankie funny last question for me what's the best golf shot you ever hit best golf shot I ever hit um all right let's go back to my second year on tour I think it's 2011 or 12

I finished 125 on the money list, and I had to make par on the 18th hole at Disney, and it's just like, obviously, I remember it, you know, being a lot more narrow than it probably is, but it's like a little bit of a shoot off the tee, and you got to start it online, and there's some bunkers out there you want to avoid and pins in the back corner, and I hit, you know, perfect drive and a seven iron or eight iron in there to about eight feet, and still tried to three putt to lose my job, but I was able to get it in there. So probably a seven iron I hit there So like hit the green and make sure that I could keep my job

To the next year was the best shot I've ever hit Very nice to get it in there too that's that's nice These professional athletes minds and their memories are insane It's crazy isn't you? Especially golfers with specific shots where the pins were The slopes of the greens every single I can't remember what the fuck I did yesterday I'm not even kidding like we do so much stuff at barstool

I can't remember who we interviewed I can't remember These guys remember pin locations Yardages Yardages. You guys love. What are your caddy said to you? Why do you think that is? Just because it means so much, each shot?

I have no idea. I'd be just making stuff up. But, I mean, maybe the focus and it just triggers something with the body. You kind of hold on to it for a period of time. You know, I know for me, I'm pretty good at it, and I can't remember what I have for breakfast. Just remembers every golf shot every yardage, no clue what went on this morning. It was not a clue.

Can't watch it. Did I take a shower today? I don't remember. Don't remember. All right. Kevin Chappell, recovering about a month into his microdicectomy, surgery, recovery. You got a couple more months to go. So stay strong, pal.

If you ever need, you know, if you ever need somebody entertain you or anything like that, we're here for you. Likewise, guys, let me know. I don't have anything to do. So if you need me to talk to shop with you guys, I'm happy to call him. We love it. We appreciate that. And, yeah, we'll be rooting for you. Get well soon.

Take care of yourself. And we'll talk soon, man. Thanks, guys. Thanks, Chappie. See it.