Fore Play - Kevin Na (plus Phil's darkness dispute and Tiger at Riv)

Episode Date: February 12, 2019

Kevin Na joins the show! (50:47) The 2-time TOUR winner details how he made a record 16 on a par-4, how he overcame the swing yips to win the 2018 Greenbrier, what the USGA needs to do to improve the U.S. Open, and how good it felt to make birdie after overruling his caddie at Colonial. Without Kevin, we discuss Phil's victory at Pebble (complete with a legendary darkness dispute), the current state of the Glover family, the upcoming Genesis Open featuring Tiger Woods, and Riggs makes his official Masters prediction. Side note: you gotta hear Frankie's voice!  You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

Hey, 4Play listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcast, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Two shows a week. This is obviously the Tuesday edition. You're going to get a Thursday edition on Thursday every week for the next, all the way through August. Last week, we had Danielle Kang, we had Wesley Bryan on. Before that, we had Bubba Watson on. We're just kind of rolling on this show. You're going to get Kevin Knott.

We'd never talk to Kevin Now before. It was interesting. I will say it was a little tricky. Because a lot of the big stories about Kevin Nah, I think, are kind of negative ones. Like, he made a 16 on a part four one time. Tough. He had the whole situation at the Players' Championship where he couldn't really pull the trigger. Unfortunately, I do think that's, like, a lot of what people think of him for.

It was a good interview, and he was an awesome guy, but it was three topics in a row where we gave a house of horse. Dude, I was trying to sprinkle in really positive stuff, too, because, I mean, the guy's won on the PGA tour twice. I wrote down here he's got over $28 million in career earnings. So the guy's phenomenal. I mean, he's Kevin Nott. He's phenomenal. He's almost won the players championship a couple times, but it was, like, he did not like the question about when we talked about the,

having like this full swing yips, which is what Daniel King had at the players championship. Don't blame him at all. I actually told him, like, that's when I became a fan because I kind of felt bad for him. Similar to my little dream. I hate keep having where I can't pull the trigger at the Masters. I almost brought that up, but I could tell he actually didn't love the question. Yeah, he would have been like, well, it's a little different when you're in a REM cycle. 100%.

And I'm out there on the PJ tour. Correct. 100%. He was great. Really cool guy. He was. Had never talked to him before. Like I said, didn't really know a ton outside of some of the social stuff that he's posted,

which we get into. And some of the bigger, kind of funny, interesting little events throughout his career, which we got into as well. So it's a very good interview, and he's a great dude. And I've been a big Kevin Knai fan. I've also heard as Caddy Kenny is hilarious and a really good guy. So we talked about him a good amount. Very good interview with Kevin Knais.

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Twitter was buzzing. Buzzin. Don't think I've ever seen our mentions quite like this. I mean, it's a hell of a storyline. It's very nerve-wracking. Lucas Glover, all the history, all the past that he has. You know, we're rooting for the Glovers. I don't think anybody thinks that we're not rooting for the Glovers.

Definitely. It does get a little dicey. He finished, so let's start with a good. He finished T7. Great stuff. He won $236,000. Great stuff. He did go 68, 66, 76, 70, 72.

That's, you could hear it in your voice. That's where you start to just... The 72 is just staring me right in the face, and it makes me nervous. That's it. It's not the number you want to see at the far right of his numbers. Right. If you, like, yeah, if you flip those around, that's a hell of a week for Lucas Glover. And I feel confident.

It's a hell of a week. Again, you can probably tell we're kind of tiptoeing around this one. We don't want to say anything. We're rooting for the Glovers. They renewed their vows, which is great news. The world is rooting for the Glovers. Every tweet that I get is we're pulling for Lucas and the Glovers. If you're not rooting for Lucas Glover, for a multitude of different reasons, there's something wrong with you.

Agreed. Good laid back guy. Okay, family. He's gotten himself in the same. some stuff. He's been in some stuff. He's been in some stuff. He's grinding out there. We just need, we're pulling for our

pal, Lucas. You know, he's trying to bring home. He's trying to bring home the bacon. Yeah. And really, you know, rooting for Lucas Glover. I don't think anybody's not rooting for Lucas Glover. No. I know one person who's really rooting for Lucas Glover. Yep.

Comes from within the family. Hard. Yep. Passionately. But I would say after that there's a head of the table below that and we're right there rooting for it. This person sits at the head of the table. Oh, big time. Pounds of fifth and says, I'm rooting for you, Lucas. I am rooting for you to bring home a W. That's what that person says.

I agree. So everybody's rooting for Lucas. T7. You know, again, maybe you'd like to see him final round be a little lower than that 72. Kind of made me a little nervous. I either want to see Lucas Glover. much higher on the leaderboard or much lower. You know what I mean?

T7, you're dancing with a weird set of expectations. I will say that number starts to get up to 74, 75. Yeah. Call the police. Might be honest. Something that's 72. I think that's fine.

Oh, man. I think we're good at 72. All right. I still always think about that one picture that we painted where it was like after he walks off the 18th, he's just looking into the parking lot, you just see smoke. He just goes,

I'm just going to hang around the club for the night guys. You guys got an extra room? Anybody want to get a drink? Anybody? Please. And he doesn't even react. He sees the cloud of smoke, and he just kind of like looks down at like,

whatever, looks at his phone and he just like, shit. I know what that is. I've heard that noise before. We're rooting for you, Lucas. Good week. Good week. Tide for 7th, 236K. It's awesome. It's a great week. Go Lucas Glover. Phil Mickelson wins his fifth Pebble Beach Pro Am, AT&T Pebble Beach Pro Am.

This was interesting. This is actually very fun to watch. There's a ton of drama yesterday coming down the stretch. There's a lot to talk about. A lot to unpack with this. 44th win for Phil. That puts him at 9th all time. He needs to get to 46 to pass Walter Hagan, which should put him at 8th all time. he's T-14th in most majors with five. I do think, so I was thinking about, because ninth all time was pretty surprising to me. I mean, that's, I don't know that people think of Phil as like a top 10 player ever in the history of the game, especially because he played in the whole Tiger era and how much Tiger dominated him for a long time, how long it took Phil to finally win a major, all those kinds of things.

I just don't think anybody really thinks of Phil as the top 10 guy of all time or really in the conversation that much. But I was thinking about it. If he were to win a U.S. Open, Phil would be a lock, I think, as a top 10 player would ever play a game. Isn't that crazy to think about? It is crazy to think about it. Because he would have the career grand slam.

He would be getting up. He'd be at least eighth, if not getting close to like seventh, all time on the PGA tour wins list. I think that a getting from five majors to six majors would put him right around like T-10, somewhere in there. I'm not exactly sure.

maybe like 12th or something like that all time on the majors list and he'd have the career grand slam which only like a handful of guys have that so i think if phil could win a u.s open which is a gigantic if he's finished twice there six times it's pretty wild to think you'd have to start considering phil a top 10 player to ever play the game of golf 44 wins that's that's a shit ton of wins that's like i mean that's an amazing amount of wins we talk like we're talking like you're amazing so many we just had kev you'll hear kevin not talk about it later he said says if you win three or four times on the PJ tour, that's considered a good career. And now we're talking about... And he's doing this in the Tiger Woods era. Correct. Right. He's doing this Wild Tiger.

By the way, he has won 80. He won five majors, you know, Wild Tiger won 14. How many do you think he would have won? I mean, it's hard to say a number, but I guess you can look at, like, all the times that he was leading and Tiger just came home around up. There were several, a couple, like, masters in the early 2000s when Phil, Ernie, David Duvall were all, right there several years in a row when Tiger took those down. So you really do got to think. I mean, if it weren't, there

was the, at Beth Page in 2002 when Tiger took down Phil, Phil, Phil was charged. So there are definitely, you know, he, he'd have at least I think a couple more majors. Yeah. And probably, I mean, you've got to think 60, like a couple, like a couple, maybe a dozen to a couple dozen more wins.

He might be in like the mid-60s with wins. And he'd be, think about, like with that, if Tiger just never existed where Phil Mickelson's career would be, it's wild to think about. But it's also, it gives him more legitimacy and almost like packs more muscle into the winds that he does have, the fact that he's done that while Tiger Woods was playing golf.

I mean, think about, it's just, it's crazy to think that because Tiger almost unfairly so, Tiger gets chirp sometimes for beating an unusually terrible era of golfers. But now all of a sudden, I'm looking at this, and I think you can make a very

solid case that Phil is a top 10 golfer of all. Yeah, there was a guy who was playing at the same time during that era who now has 40 plus wins. Like, that's a pretty good guy to go against for, you know, a good stretch of time. VJ Singh clocking in with 34 wins. VJ thing has 34 PJTor wins. 34 PGA Tour wins. How many majors VJ have?

VJ. Three. Sing majors. Is that right? That's a guess. Let's try to figure that out. If anybody can fact check that, that'd be fantastic. VJ.

Singh with 34 wins. That's a lot. So, I mean, yeah. And Ernie L is phenomenal. He's got an unbelievable. He's got a great career, too. He's got a ton of wins. Davis Love has 21, Norman 20.

Three majors. Nailed it. You did nail it. What's he got? A couple masters? The Masters in 2000, the PGA Championship in 98 and 2004. Wow. He was the leading PGA Tour money winner in 2003, 2004, and 2008 with Tiger around also.

Yeah, 2008. Well, too, 2008. VJ took advantage of 2008. took advantage. Tiger did win a major that year, not to brag. And he won a bunch of tournaments, even though he played half the year and played it with like a broken leg. Vijay leading the PGA tour, money winning in 2003 and 2004. So Tiger was dominating fucking Phil Mickelson and VJ Singh. Both who've had these amazing careers. Not to mention, like I said, like David Duvall was incredible for a long time. Ernie Ellis is awesome. Like these guys, I'm sure there's a couple

guys, a bunch of guys that we're forgetting. So it is. It's very interesting thing about Phil with some great antics at the end yesterday. So the weather was off the charts this whole week. It was raining. It was hail yesterday. Right when Phil and Paul Casey get to the tea, they're just getting ready to announce them on the tea. They're talking about how, like, oh, we finally got a little break in the weather, maybe something like it just starts hailing. I'm talking like, those greens were covered.

Ridiculous hail. It was insane. Shout to Clint Eastwood, who the only comment he made the whole time during his like three hours of the broadcast. They were talking about the hail and he just goes, kind of looks like snow. Bro, they will Clint East went out every single year and he says two things but they just keep doing it.

They just keep doing it and that's the only time I realize that Clint East would is still alive and when I guess he puts out a couple movies like that came out with the mule but I love when they bring him on the because they bring them on the broadcast and it makes everyone so uncomfortable

but they just have them every year. Yeah and it's it's you know I feel bad for Nance and Faldo having like because they even at the end they were just kind of going back and forth doing their their sort of knee-jerk reactions to the coverage last night to a lot of the cool things that we saw with the darkness, which we're going to talk about.

I mean, there was kind of a lot going on for a Sunday night of a golf tournament didn't finish. Yep. And then there's just Clint Eastwood just sitting next to them with like his head was kind of floating around. It looked like he might fall over or just fall asleep. They need to do wellness checks during those because he was kind of nod up and like make a little. And then like the times he did chime in, he just said the most blatantly obvious thing ever.

It kind of looks like snow. Kind of looks like snow Or like they'd be talking about A couple of jerguies cooler And we would be talking about snow Clint They'd be talking about like the amateur You know Playing with these guys in the final group

And they'd talk about it in depth For like a couple minutes About how tricky that is And how Paul Casey's handling it well That he's rooting for his amateur partner Despite the fact that he's kind of getting his wheels Blown off, DOR's blown off by Phil Mickelson And then they'd kind of throw it to Clint

And he'd go That's a tough spot for an amateur And then that was just it I hope they never stopped doing it. I hope they keep doing it until, you know, I hope Clint lives another 50 years, and he's just on those broadcasts sitting there. I mean,

Cleft's the youngest 88-year-old of all time. 100%. He was seen, I'm just reading this story right here, he was seen leaving a club or a restaurant in California with a 23-year-old. What? Yeah. Come on. Nor Afila, she's Mick Jagger's ex-girlfriend,

who's also like 75. So I guess this 23-year-old has things in, like, older men. Clay were, like, way older men. Yeah, I don't know if it's the looks that she's been in those scenarios. It's just so funny. I'm looking at this picture in Clint Eastwood. He's, like, driving her, and she's in the back seat. It's, like, the weirdest thing I've ever seen.

Clint is what looks like an Uber driver. Yeah. I mean, I think he's just, like, off his rocker. There was another moment when, like, Siwu Kim was putting out, and they're talking again. They're kind of, like, laying all the contacts, all that. And then Clintieswood just goes, that's kind of an interesting out. fit and see what Kim was just wearing the most bland like standard outfit ever you're wearing like black

pants and like a tan pullover if you're jim nancy can't be like we'll expand on that clint they they didn't even acknowledge you don't know where that's going they didn't even acknowledge you don't know what clennie's what is going to say about see who kim clint was getting rosed in on twitter oh yeah i'm looking through these tweets this one girl wrote so it's it's from left to right and he's all the way on the right so he's obviously sitting next to nance it says one taught me love taught me patience and one has no idea where he is. And it's a picture of Clint Eastwood just staring out into the ocean. He's just, he is.

Electric commentary from Clint Eastwood here. It's definitely past his bedtime. He's just looking down. It's so good. Yeah, no, he was, it was every year. I mean, Clint Eastwood's been, they roll him out there, like Trent said, and he just sits next to these guys and offers nothing to the broadcast. It's really quite true.

Clint Eastwood was just sitting around, staring at the sun, thinking about those kids off, getting those kids off his lawn. Oh, that movie. What a terrible movie. Clint must love doing it, though. because that's the only reason they got to bring him back, right? He seems miserable the whole time he's there, but around this time of year he must say to like a grand kid or something,

like, we're doing that broadcast thing again this year? And they're like, yeah, you want to do it. Yeah, Clint, we'll bring it out there. I mean, he is Clint Eastwood. He can kind of do whatever fuck you want. 100%. What a name Clint Eastwood. I wonder if he was born with that name.

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He's making some putts, too. He made a little curler on, I think it was the fourth hole where Faldo is setting it up, like, oh, that's the worst, like, eight-foot put you can have on the entire round. off course and Phil just made it. So he played lights out. I think Paul Casey with like a 71. Yep. Something like that. So we got to talk about Paul Casey quite real quick because the every time, every

single time I see Paul Casey on a leaderboard, all I can think about is the first time we had Brando Chambley on the show. And we were going through like kind of like his analytics and his stats and how he prepares for certain things. And we asked him something along the lines of, you know, like how do you account for just like nerves or how people handle the situation and this thing. But then Brandl just went on for several minutes basically about how Paul Casey could just, we'll never win a golf tournament.

It was ruthless. This awesome, we had this great back and forth at the end of the round yesterday, which is Sunday night as they were trying to close where it was getting dark. They're on the 16th green. Phil clearly, he's got a three-shot lead at the time. Phil very clearly wants to finish. Phil's like every amateur golfer out there ever who's teed off and done a twilight round of golf. He's looking out there going, I can see.

Like, what's the problem? He had some all-time Phil comments. He did say at one point, I can see fine. He had another point. I think Paul Casey said that Phil came over to him and said, I can see fine. I have like 20-80 vision. Paul Casey was like, I mean, I don't even know if I have 20-20 vision. I don't know what.

Phil trying to alpha Paul Casey to play in like. Big time. I mean, I can see? Can you see? Big time. If you can't see, then I'm going to win. Phil's like take five sets back and hold up a number. Your finger, I'll tell you what that number is.

I mean, I don't blame Phil. I mean, I don't blame Phil. He's playing lights out. He's obviously going to win the golf tournament. The course is playing soft. So 17, even though it's a really tricky hole, a very difficult par three, he knows he can just throw an iron onto that green. It'll sit very softly.

He should be able to make a par there or bogey at worst. And then on 18, I mean, it's a part of five that he's just going to play with an iron to make part. So somebody would have to do something crazy, and there's nobody even really left on the golf course. So basically, if he can just get through these two holes as quickly as possible, he knows he'll win the golf tournament. He can just leave town. He can leave. That's huge.

That was clearly what Phil wanted to do. Phil, you know, makes dozens of millions of dollars every year. He's an incredibly rich guy. The last thing he wants to do is have to stay overnight, wake up and play two holes of golf just to go win because he already thinks he's going to win. So he's trying to come up with ways that he could finish. He basically, you could hear him talking to the guy, the rules official saying like, all right, if I tee off real quick, and then I run up there and finish out. And then if I just go tee off on 18, I can finish, right? Because the rule is once you've teed off on a hole, it's up to you.

You can finish the hole if you'd like. And so Phil's thinking was like, look, if Casey wants to fucking jerk himself around over here, I really don't care. If we just tee off on 17 real quick, if it feels like if I hit the green, he was just going to sprint up to putt really quickly and then run to 18 hit an iron. And then he could take all day. Which if CBS is in the content game, they will let him do that. It wasn't up to CBS. Right. Or the powers that be let him do that because, man, that would be great to watch for the people.

Well, what it really came down to was the rules written very clearly. And Paul Casey, if he would have finished his put on six. Phil could have done that. But what happened was Paul Casey had like a four-footer, three-footer on 16 for par. Casey's tied for second at this point. So Paul Casey's thinking, well, if we're not going to finish anyways, which in his mind and in most people's mind, like there's no way they're going to finish. So he's like, what's the point if we play one more shot or two or three more shots?

We're not finishing anyways. So they're going to do the greens in the morning. They're going to roll the greens. They're going to have them really nice and fresh and clean and smooth and all that. and the green sucked dick right now because they've been out there all day long. It's been raining. I'll just wait.

I'll mark it. We'll just wait in the morning. And that's exactly what he did. And once a player determines that he can't see that's in the group, it's over. It's a done deal. Phil figured that out. His facial expression was hilarious. But that was Paul Casey's move and to Paul Casey's credit.

He was kind of getting chirped online, which is bullshit like for being a pussy, this, that. Here's what happened. Paul Casey then went out. He made his put on 16. He made par on 17. He had really good shot in there. And then on 18. He made Bertie.

He made about a seven-footer for Bertie. That was a $152,000 difference. So, wow. If you're going to get, it's like if someone said to you, hey, you have to like not get Alfoot by Phil here and get made fun of on the internet for a little bit, but I'll give you 152K. Oh, my God. Don.

Right. So it ended up being a smart decision, but it was just interesting, obviously, watching the entire thing go back and forth. Phil with yet another win. He won last year, the WGC, Mexico. which was his first win since, I think, the British Open in 2013. And then he wins again. He had a couple weeks ago, the Desert Classic, where he lost, what was the guy's name, Adam Long?

I think that was the kid's name. St. Louis kid, actually, who beat him by staring him down and making that put on the 70s. A long shot, I believe. Oh, there you go. That sounds like a big New York Post headline. But anyways, he's been playing great golf ever since he sucked horrifically at the Rider Cup. He's just all of a sudden come alive. He took down Tiger.

I remember the week after the Rider Cup. He started the tournament, but he was, like, in the lead the next week in some tournament. So whatever happened on the Rattuck, he'll be just figured it out. He's been playing great ever since. So good for Phil, a 44th win. Phil's 48 years old. Tiger's 43. So if Phil can still win golf tournaments at 48, that's great news for us.

Always the takeaway. TIGERS, fine. Always the takeaway. Plenty of time. No reason to rush whatsoever. So good for Phil. Jordan Spiff. I don't know what the hell.

Sorry, Jordan Spath. I don't know what the hell is going on with Jordan Spath. he just he's fucking all over the map ever since his unbelievable year of 2015 and then his collapse of the masters in 2016 he's kind of been so unpredictable that he did win the british open and he had the incredible hole out of the travelers championship so he's had his moments and he's obviously had several wins and whatnot but the last couple years he liked last year didn't even make it to the tour championship and then this year to kick off the year you thought maybe you had it going again with the 68 66 now 16 66-68 is how he started the tournament. Then he goes 74-75. He had two doubles on the back nine at Pebble on Saturday that kind of took him out of contention and then posted a 75,

so I don't really know what's going on with Jordan Speth, but he hasn't really figured it out. What a weird quote, too. After he shot the 74, he said, My driver didn't behave at all. I don't think that's that weird of a quote. Didn't behave? My driver didn't behave?

I think golfers say that quite a bit. I don't like it. It reminds me. It makes me think of like we've lost control of the golf course. The driver's not alive. Makes me think of Austin Powers. Oh, behave. Yeah.

Yeah, I think it's a weird thing to say. I mean, driver's definitely not alive, but like... Like, you just saw, like, you just had a bad day. Don't blame it on the driver. The driver didn't behave. I can picture him, like, going back and, like, spanking it, be like... Bad boy. Bad boy.

Now, that would be a story. Bad boy. If we found out that Jordan's to be the spanking his driver when it doesn't perform or behave, now we're talking. Beaks was just, don't say another word. He's looking at it. Dude, imagine if a camera caught speed behind, like, the media center, he took his belt off, and he was just belting his driver.

I told you last week to behave, and this is not my fault, but you just don't behave. You know this is for the better. Now we're talking about a real good story. It's like the A.K. He's blaming the driver for what he's doing to the driver. Look, Frankie, if that would have happened, I think you'd be on to something. Well, we may have just uncovered something because I read a headline. I think with somebody, a journalist, should dig deeper into how much...

Are we going to have to talk to Jordan Speeth now? Jordan Speeth is punishing his driver when it doesn't behave. Like, it's a misbehaving little child. That's what I think of when I... That's what I think. It's his fault for using that word. It did not behave. He hit one into the ocean on 18.

He hit one further left than I've ever seen anybody hit a golf ball on... I think it was 13. He made double there. So he was kind of all over the fucking map. We've done a good job of building up people's images who are hated by a lot of people. We've never really golf games specifically, but if Jordan's people wants to come on this podcast, we can try to make him perform better,

then we're very open to that. Imagine we brought him on. We just called him Jordan Spath the whole time. He just didn't know what the hell is going on. We'd have to get the audio of the book. Yeah, we do need to get that. I actually, I've been trying not to update my app on my phone because I've heard that the updated version,

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Yeah. He'd be like, what the fuck's wrong with you guys? Yeah, you're right. Hey, before I answer this first question, I'm just going to ask, like, what the fuck's going on? So for anybody who doesn't know the audio version of the Tiger Woods book. What book is that? It's that big old red, black book. It's got his face right there on the front.

See, I was unpacking my name. apartment and that book came out and I just started laughing when I saw it. I mean, it's, it is a book about Tiger Woods. The cover has Tiger Woods' photo on the front, but what the hell is the name? It's escaping me at this moment. Oh, man. I would do anything to know the name because I really want that book. I'm going to be, I think the name of the book is Tiger Woods.

What a name for a book. Great name. What a name for a book about Tiger Woods? How long do you think they contemplated going? with that name. It's had to have been months because those guys are so it's our friend Armic Tate. What are we going to call this thing? Listen, we got

this book about Tiger Woods. We got the photo. It is Tiger Woods. What's really going to send it home who this book is about? How can we explain it in one name? We talk about it all the time. It's amazing. There's not another word after, like, the comeback story.

Like, regaining his power or something like the king has returned. Do you think that's what threw people off when they were looking. They're like, this book that's called Tiger Woods cannot be the biography biography about Tiger Woods. That just can't be it. It has to be. It's too on the nose. Peter Millar was founded in 2001

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I wrote it down. T-28, 46,000, $360, 360,000. Not a big deal. T26 the week before, 50,410 bucks. I mean, the guys made $97,000 in the last two weeks. That's insane. Playing just mediocre Kisner, God. That's where you want to be.

Slapping it around. Man, that's what a life. That's where you want to be. Right. I mean, he averages 50K a tournament. It's pretty good. Pretty good, you know, travel and everything. You're still clearing.

The argument that someone could make is that he's not like, like, he's not like performing lower, like, to be, like, lazy, right? Like, he's still grinding out there and just, like, not playing well enough to make more money. Like you're saying that's like that's right where you want to be, but it's like he's still playing. Like he still has to play all four days. He still has to like.

Yeah, but playing like I don't, I don't think he would just play better. Well, here's the difference. Okay. Let me explain this to you. Here's what was in Phil Mickelson's Yetty concoction on the hole this morning. Phil's magic, course ground Ethiopian Yirga Chef coffee, almond milk, cinnamon, cacao nibs, collagen and MCT. oil extracted from coconuts.

He brings all the provisions on the road with him and bruise it himself, claims he hasn't had a head cold in five plus years. So this is what Phil Nicholson put in his Yeti concoction. This is according to Alan Shipnuck, golf.com guy, about what Phil drinks every morning and he's got like this whole

deal and it changes, his whole body, he's been doing it forever to stay this and that. I don't think Kevin Kisner's doing anything. No, he's not. No, he's drinking black coffee. He's walking out there. He's just golfing. He's gone. I think, I from talking to him. Yes, he's a beauty and all that.

But Kiz also, you've heard him on the show. When you get him going on golf, he knows an unbelievable amount about golf. The ins and outs, the intricacies of this shot, that shot, the golf swing, which he's helped us out before the video that he sent Frankie, helping Frankie with his chimney. All that stuff. Like, he is golf and way more than he would lead on, definitely. And finishing top 30 in a PGA tour event over and over again is unbelievably impressive. That's wild. But there's also, I don't think, is like, all-encompassing, wholesome approach to becoming the greatest player on the planet.

I think he's kind of just like, this is what I got. And we asked him about the majors. He wasn't, like, working on this incredibly complex strategy to improve his chances to win a major. He's just like, now Beth Page has got no shot. So like, I'm just not going to do well. I think that's kind of right where he wants to live. He's a pretty happy guy. He's got his little South, he's got his ache in South Carolina life.

That's just kind of what he does. It's amazing that filled drink. Like, how are we even, how is that help? Like, what is that doing to his body when he's drinking that? And I'm, like, drinking 20 beers this weekend with, like, little pretzels that are filled with peanut butter. Yeah, I mean, he's drinking that and, like, and then doing these workouts and all this different stuff to stay flexible in this and what? How am I? I literally think how am I going to survive?

Like, if that's what it takes to be a healthy, how old is he? 48. Like, if that's what takes to be a healthy 48-year-old, what am I going to be? Yeah, I agree. It's horrifying. We're just eating burritos and like pizza and beers. You ever have those pretzels that are infused with peanut butter? They're like little...

Comboes? No, but they're actual pretzels and they're infused with peanut butter. No. I must have had a thousand of them this weekend. A thousand of them. I don't know how much is in this huge tub and ate the whole tub. How big is a tub you talking about? It's a huge...

Well, we all know that I'm not... I mean... That's why I ask. Your proportions and just general... It could be this type. You got to be thinking of a bathtub. The tub's probably the size of like my torso. It's a big fucking tub.

Of your whole torso. Like right here. Like this big. All right. So I'd say it's about like a, what? A foot. Do it. My torso's not.

I mean, we're watching Frankie now. If you think your torso is a foot deep or foot long, you're crazy. Two feet? Yeah, maybe a couple feet. So then there's no way the tub was two feet long. Two feet. Think about that. Such a big tub.

Well, how much would you say a water jug is? How many, how many, like, foot and a half? Foot and a half. Yeah, so this thing was probably about a half a foot. Six inches? Yeah. That's so different than your whole torso. Think about how, like, from your fucking neck down to your belt, that's like a couple feet at least.

Yeah, it was about this big. All right. Anyway, you ate a lot of pretzels. See, you ate a ton of pretzels. Is that what you're trying to tell me, Frankie? Yeah, and I'm not going out in my backyard and, like, clipping little pieces of papaya and sprinkling little pieces of papaya and sprinkled. I'm into my, into my cocoa almond buttermilk. No, you're not.

So, what does that mean? That's kind of my whole point. Do I have to change? No, you're not trying to be one of the top ten greatest golfers of all the time. Right. You're just Frankie. Like, you're pretty normal guys. All of us.

We're not doing any of this shit. Just stuns me. I sit on my couch and watch fucking, actually not couch. I sit on my bed. I don't have a couch yet. I spent the whole weekend trying to try to get a couch. How'd that go? Oh.

Boys. No way's more well versed in the couch game than me right now. Well, I had, I spent the whole weekend doing it. I've probably looked at over 200 couches. Wow. Internet, real life. I'm hobbling over different stores. You went to go, like, test it out?

Yeah, I went to Jennifer, Jennifer store in Manhattan. They stink. I like how you combine the Jennifer furniture store to Jennifer. The journal for them. They stink, let me tell you. Those people are the worst. I have a bad experience. I put this money down.

I thought we had the couch. Then they came back at me, and they were like, you need to send in these, you need to mail in these documents to verify your stuff. I said, what? I'm not buying a house. I'm buying a couch. So then I had to go back and get my money back. Then I had to surf the web.

Big shout out to my guy, Kevin, who works at Wayfair, big stooly. He helped me all weekend long. I wish I would have known that. Wayfares, the scumbags that put me through that couch dilemma when I moved into my apartment. Remember when the guy's like, you don't need this, like, we don't need your money. So either you wait for the couch or you just cancel. It was like three weeks after I was waiting for the couch already. I will say I get a big weight coming up, which is tough.

Oh. The couch waits brutal. Yeah, and I was like, I remember calling them up after three weeks. I said, where the hell is this goddamn couch? And I'm absolutely just ripping it into this lady on the phone. I'm like, who do you think you are? We paid for more, like faster stuff. And now it's not even delivered.

We're sitting on the floor. And she's like, all right, let me put on my manager. The guy picked up the phone. He goes, I heard the way you're talking, and we don't give a shit. I was like, I was like, I want to complain to someone. He's like, complain to me. Like, well, I want my couch. He's like, it's coming.

I said, when? He's like, when it gets there. And if you don't like it, you can cancel. I said, well, I don't want to cancel. It's who take me down three weeks. He goes, well, then you got to wait. And he hung up the phone. He dominated.

Dominated me. So my friend's like, go, go, Frankie, go get that couch. I went in my room and they hear me screaming. And I walk back out and they're like, do we get it? I go, no. I just lost. It won't be here for weeks. I hear the way you're talking this lady.

We don't kill a shit. Anyways, this guy, I was tweeting about my couch dilemma. This guy reached out to me. He's helping me all weekend long. It was great. So it was a great experience, except not going to wait. Actually, it wasn't a great experience. It's just a very annoying experience.

Other than your absolute best friends, who could you ask to bring you red wine at 4 p.m. sushi at 9 p.m. and a breakfast burrito at 8 a.m. Postmates. That's the answer. Postmates is great. Great. You guys have been big postmates guys for a long time, it sounds like. Well, yeah, because when I'm living in Long Island, there's really none of this stuff.

You have to be in, like, a major city to get these, you know, these luxuries. So when I'm moving to the city now, I always used to say, like, how do these people always use these, like, all these apps and whatever and postmates? I didn't think you needed it. Like, don't you just want to go out and walk and get there? No. And now that I live here, I postmate everything. Postmates is your personal food delivery, grocery delivery. whatever you can think of delivery service all year round.

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Oh, Phil. And how he does all these things to stay healthy and we don't. Yep, correct. So I was just sitting in my bed. watching golf all weekend. That's basically all I was doing. I was eating pizza. I was eating sushi, you know, just kind of a wild mix of things. Anyways, Genesis Open Week, Tiger, back in the mix. This is an interesting course for Tiger. This is the course that he's played the most on tour without winning at. I think he's played 11 times here. Wow. And he's never won. He missed

the cut last year, not good. Yeah, it is. It's most starts on a single golf course without a win in Tiger's entire career. So hopefully he does better than that. You got to think there's no way the guy's going to go his whole career and just not win at Riviera. Riviera is this iconic course. People love it. We talked to Kevin now, pretty good about why people love it so much, why it gets so

much high praise and this and that from the players from all the golf community, blah, blah, blah. So you got to think Tigers are going to win there eventually. Hopefully that's this week. We get to watch the 10th hole, which is that awesome driveable, reachable par four that pretty much everybody can reach super skinny green bunkers everywhere. It's hilarious watching people play out. It's great.

It's absolutely awesome. So we got that all weekend, which is going to be lovely. And then I would like to say that I'm going to make a prediction on the Masters. Let's do it. This is if, and it's not going to sound like it's definitely not a going out on a limb type of prediction, but it is I'm just making it a couple months in advance. If for some reason Tiger Woods doesn't win the Masters. If for some reason.

There's a big if, but if he doesn't win, I think there's no way Justin Rose doesn't win the Masters. Okay. And the reason that... What brought you to this conclusion that you felt the need to make a predictions? Because this past weekend, when the golf wasn't on, because there was kinds of delays and stuff, I was watching a couple replays from... I started to get into the groove of watching replays from final rounds of masters again. Yeah.

And I was watching the 2015 final round of the Masters. Justin Rose right there playing with Speeith in the final group. Almost could have won that Masters if it weren't for Speeth, like, keeping it all together and kind of run away from the field. But even Rose was making... hitting good shots, making birdies on the back nine. gave himself. And then obviously the Sergio run as well. When Sergio beat him in a playoff,

Rose did basically everything he could to win there, except Sergio just went crazy and made the Eagle on 15 and all that. And the fact that Justin Rose now is number one player in the world, he just won a couple weeks ago. I think there's no way he goes in his career without winning at the Masters. I just can't even imagine that with how good he's been there. And he's kind of not as young as maybe you would think. He's like kind of creeping up there.

So my prediction, done deal, I'm not going to change it. That if for some reason Tiger Woods doesn't win the Masters, Justin Rose will win the Masters. He's 38. He's closer to 40 than I would have. Yeah, I know. He's a little older than you. He's so sneaky.

He's so sneaky. I need somebody, you're right, and that's a good prediction. I need somebody else to be number one in the world. He's a real snooze fest when he's number one. I've heard he's the nicest guy. Yeah, yeah. But you're right. He's kind of a snoozer.

It's like, I see Justin Rose number one in the world. It's like... He reminds me of a smug cat. You know when like a cat like looks up sometimes Like a real smug Like you don't know what that cat's doing in the corner Yeah And their head's always up

He reminds me like a cat Really Like like if if Like you know how like in Harry Potter Like Professor McGonagall's like a cat Like she like goes in and out of a cat I feel like Justin Rose like after he walks off the golf course He's just like

He goes into his cat mode And you just like What do you think he does? Crawls around the golf course Yeah just you know In the media test He looks like a cat to me In the concession, he's like hopping around the concession looking for mice?

I don't know if he necessarily goes around. I don't know if he's got a bit of a cat face. You know what I mean? He's got a cat face. Well, that's what cats do. If he's going to become a cat, you can't be a person cat. Like, look at that face. It's like a little, it's like a smug little cat.

Like, you don't know what that guy's doing in the corner. You don't trust Justin Rose. No. No. Really? No. Interesting. No.

I didn't know that about you. I do not trust Justin Rose. I don't hate him. We were talking about what's more bland than vanilla pudding, I think, was the example. Justin Rose number one in the world That's more of boring Oh we got I got so many tweets about that No one everyone was like trying to church it up

Some guy messaged me this whole thing Like vanilla ice cream on top of a wafer cone I'm like dude once you write on top of Like now it's so intricate and like crazy It's not even boring anymore I actually want to eat it Correct Like vanilla pudding is just it

Somebody did say white rice Yeah but like white rice You could throw some soy sauce on there Like you can really church that up Somebody said toast which That's not even close. No, I think just... Toast is flashy.

No, I think just plain toast with nothing on it is pretty bad. That's bad. That's bad. Just a toasted, like, crispy toasted piece of, like, wheat bread. No butter, no nothing? Nothing. Did I ever tell you guys about the time I got bodied by the guy over at Essen, the food place we were going to? You were there, yeah.

I went in there... You got bodied all the time. I went into this place. And by the way, real quick, because I know after this we're going to get off the Genesis Open Tiger is predicted to not even crack the top 10 by this guy who has this like unbelievable prediction model

he runs like thousands of simulations Who's this guy? Do we want to say his name? Mike McClure. Yeah. Who's Mike McClure? He does this thing. It's a sports line prediction model.

He's nailed four of the last eight majors and anyone that's been following him with this model that he does has been... I've never even heard of this guy. How is that possible? He's been up. Really?

Yeah. He's been up. Like, anyone that's been following this guy with betting is in the money. He's got Tiger, not top ten? Not top ten. Hope this guy's fucking wrong. He's one of the top vat. He goes, one shocker with the model is that 14-time major champion, one of top Vegas favorites, doesn't even crack the top ten.

He has Zander Shafley making a big run for it. That's what he has. Zandrombly, 25 to one shot. He has him making a strong run at the title. Interesting. I don't hate that. I might jump on this guy. I don't like the negative tiger,

but I can think about with my brain, not my heart all the time. So at the end of the day, if Zander Shafley wins, we're going to be all in on this dude. That's fine. This guy is a pretty famous guy here? I don't know.

My laptop just died. That's why I wanted to get that out there. Your laptop died? Yeah. Someone unplugged my laptop died. Okay. You want to know why? Because every day at my laptop,

I'm going in, I'm going out. I'm going to radio. So I'm moving around and it's always like low, right? It's always low because I'm always moving around. But when I have it stationed at my desk, I share all, underneath my feet, which like you would never be able to deal with this. Underneath my feet, I have wires going to the left of me, behind me, in front of me because Ken Jack uses my extension cord little pack thing I have underneath. And Ebony, who sits behind me, uses it.

So all underneath my like seat, I'm always going over these fucking walls. wires and shit. Aren't you like wire OCD too? Yeah, it's insane. How do you live in this world? I don't know. And when they do that, they like unplug my stuff. They like, somehow it gets like unplug because she pulls it, it gets pulled out. So every day I come to work my laptops

day, every single day. So then I start at zero. Frankie, I've been, we did about 40 minutes with Kevin Knot earlier and then we've been doing this podcast for like an hour. What do you think my laptop's at, battery-wise? Been unplugged. It's been, you know, 37

90%. What? How was that even fucking possible? I'm in 88. I was that fucking possible. How is your computer die? I don't understand. Because I started at zero, so I get it up to 12 and get down.

I came in here at 22. I can't remember the last time my computer was below 70. Brother, when you go to bed at night, just plugging it. I do. You don't. I do, and then I come in and it's dead. But then how does it die like overnight, though? So you don't take your computer home?

No, not this one. I have one out of home. Gotcha. That's a little different. And I'm also like editing a shit. That definitely drains the battery more. Yeah, but like, anyways. Anyway, this one time at Essen, I went to go put it in a toast order.

I wanted to get tuna melt, and I wanted it on some toast. Yeah. And I said, can I, you guys, what kind of bread? He goes, what do you want? I said, can I have it on toast? He goes, well, what kind? I said, I actually want that on toast. And he goes, well, what kind?

And I said, one more time. I said, I want it on toast. And he goes, what kind of bread do you want us to toast? And I said, oh, shit. I didn't, I thought toast was like a thing. Why are you being such an asshole? I thought toast was a thing, like, in my head for that second. I thought, like, toast was an option, right?

Like, you have bread, you have white bread. Oh, dummy. And then you have toast. There's white. There's wheat. There's whole wheat. It's all kinds of stuff. I didn't think of one of those fucking options, not one.

They got like a screaming match about it. We did. Frank, you get in screaming matches. Towards the third time I had to say it, which obviously I shouldn't have got to the third time. I go, I want toast. And the guy goes, I don't think you understand that there's options. There's options to the two. toast, right? We're going to toast whatever bread you want.

Toast is like the action. You would think as someone who worked at a restaurant that you would understand this concept. How embarrassed were you, Trent? I walked away. You have to. How rattled was that way? Can't be with this lunatic. How rattled toast? Dude, when we were walking back in the office, you were

telling me the story, you were still on your own side that you weren't wrong. I was, I was rattled. He embarrassed me to the point where I was like telling people around me that he didn't embarrass me. Jesus, Frankie. You might have a problem. Oh, yeah.

Well, next up, we've got on this podcast, Kevin Knot, who's never had on before. Like I mentioned, we get into a lot of good stories, a lot of the fun, interesting things that have happened to him throughout his career. Reminder, the guys got over $28 million in career earnings, so he's had an unbelievable PGA tour career. A couple wins. We get into all that stuff. So here's Kevin up. All right, ladies and gentlemen, we are now joined by two-time PGA tour winner from California. live from California. He's calling in Mr. Kevin Now. Good morning, sir. How are you?

Good morning, guys. How are you doing? We're doing well. We're kind of stuck in Frozen, New York, so you, I believe, saying you're in Santa Monica is kind of hurting us a little bit. Yeah, it's a nice tiny day. It rained over the weekend. I got in a little early for the Genesis Open. But it's got to be wet this week. That's what they're forecasting. Yeah, it does make me feel a little better than I've seen a lot of rain and terrible weather out in California, to be honest with you. So it's Monday of tournament week. Genesis Open at Riviera. What's kind of a typical Monday of a tournament week look like for you?

So sometimes I just fly in on Mondays. If I do fly in a little early, I'll fly in on Sunday. And Monday, it's just a really easy day. I go register, get my locker ready, throw my stuff in there. I'll go work on some short games, a little warm-up. It's a short practice session. So Monday's a day, kind of adjust to the time zone, and just kind of get your feet wet. What's registering look like?

I kind of envision like happy Gilmore or he walks up and he doesn't have a caddy. Do you have a caddy? Let me go to the parking lot, a final one. Right, exactly. Yeah, what's like registering look like? You see the same people every week, or what is it? Yeah, no, it's usually, you know, same people every year, you know, the people from the tournament. You go to the place called registration, you sign your name that you're there,

and, you know, they give you a little packet. You sign some autographs. A lot of times the tournament will provide a gift. Last year they gave us an amazing gift here. It's usually the week of the Valentine's Genesis Open. Okay. So they kind of give the guys a gift for kind of the wife. Oh, that's big.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. In the past years, they've had, like, you can pick out a Tiffany gift or, like, a product gift. last year was an Airman's gift. Wow. So I told my wife, honey, don't worry about Valentine. I'll get one for the tournament. I was going to say every year, do you just bank on that? I'll play the Genesis, so I already got my gift wrapped up for Valentine's Day.

Yep, yep, I kind of do. Yeah, like if the Genesis team blows it, you're screwed for Valentine's. Well, then I better go out real quick and buy something. That's fantastic. So what things are you, like, golf course-wise, because you've played the tournament, you know Riviera, what in a Monday or Tuesday practice round? What are you trying to get out of it? What are you testing? What are you trying to learn about the golf course this year specifically, or any year specifically when you show up that you maybe didn't know coming in or that you want to kind of make

sure about? Well, you know, I've been planning to tour for this is my 16th year. I've been coming to these terms for, you know, over 10 years, a lot of places. And there's nothing really to, you know, learn about different things unless they made some changes. If they said, you know, this year we changed the green of this hole or the, you know, the funkering on a hole, then I'll go take a look. But besides that, Monday, sometimes I don't play at all. Like, today I won't play at all. But sometimes I do play nine holes. When I do play nine, we're just looking for how the course is playing.

You know, it's been raining a lot. The hot soft is they playing. You know, it's my ball, you know, stopping with long irons coming to the green, you know, things like that. How are the fairways running out? Just so you're just kind of seeing how the course is playing, how fast is playing or how slow it's playing. I'm curious because I've heard Tiger talk about this before. Do you check TV tower locations for your lines to make sure that they're the same? Yes, some of the blind tee shots.

Usually the TV towers are in the same spots. But if they, you know, you just kind of, some of the blind tee shots, you'll kind of be like, okay, that's where the TV tower is. And a lot of the times the caddies put that note in and they know. I've had this same guy for this is our 11th year together. So I don't have to tell him anything. He knows. He already knows what I like. what I don't like.

So he gets that all that prepared. And the TV tower is especially important when you go to the Open Championship because there's no definition of the whole lot of times. You've got to go off the bunkers or the TV Tower. So TV Tower lines are very useful at the Open Championship. Yeah, about two years ago, a year and a half ago, I went over just on a whim and did a St. Andrews trip by myself and played Lynx golf for the first time in my life.

And my biggest takeaway was you look out in the fairway and it looks like it's just a wide open fairway. And then you get up there and there's 30 hidden bunkers in the middle. a fairway? Yep, and you're always in one of them. Every single time. Life insurance, one of those topics that everyone knows a little bit about, but do you understand it well enough to feel comfortable buying it?

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Obviously, it's a beautiful golf course, great design. Hogan's Alley. I mean, my first tournament, PG Tournament I ever watched as a kid. My dad took me, I grew up in the Los Angeles area. My dad took me at the time it was the Nissan Open, the L.A. Open when I was 10 years old. Went to Tuesday, practice. I remember watching Corey Pavin.

I saw Freddie. I mean, I saw Tom Cite. I saw all these guys play practice around Davis Love. And I remember just walking, you know, walking the golf course. We're like, oh, my God, I want to play here someday. And that was, I'm kind of biased because I grew up watching this tournament, and it was a dream to play here. But a lot of people love coming here.

It's a great design golf course. I mean, there's some genius holes out there, like the par three, what is it the five, the one of the with the bunker in the middle of the green? I mean, who thinks of that? And it's an awesome hole. And then the finishing all, obviously, with the clubhouse and with the, you know, behind the green with the slope with the stadium look where everybody fills in on Sunday and watching the last part.

It's an amazing place. So the 10th hole, one of the more talked about holes in the world on all the PGA tour, very short par four reachable for pretty much everyone incredibly narrow green bunkers everywhere what's Kevin Nause strategy for that hole it's the hardest I think the hardest 300

yard par four in the world and I've seen guys make six without a penalty easily and I've done it myself I lay up to every day except the front left pin that's the only time I hit driver well I've hit driver in other places but my stress

strategy is usually I lay up every time except the front left pin and I lay up to the left side and I give myself a decent angle into that green and try to make birdie. And if you make par, even though it's a 300 yard hole and you go like, I feel like I should have made 30, par is a good score on that hole. A lot of people make bogey on that hole, getting aggressive or getting greedy. And this year with the rain, it's going to be soft. So usually when it's really hard, the green, the back part of the green, a lot of ball bounces over. But this year you got to worry about ball spinning off the green. And when it spins, it usually rolls off the left side, kind of over on the left side. So you've got to be careful of that.

So have you ever come to that T being like, all right, you know, this is my plan all week, middle pin, right pen. We're going to lay up. And you come to the T and been like, we're going to go for it. You know it. It happens all the time. Or I ask you me the driver. He's like, mm-mm, mm-mm, give me the driver. That's great.

And sometimes it all depends. what are you're positioned in the tournament. Coming down Sunday, let's say if you're riding the hunt, you probably go with the strategy. And if you feel like you're a little behind and you feel like you need to press the envelope a little bit, then you might pull out the driver. So like I mentioned, a couple very good top five finishes at Riviera. What about the course helps you in your game? I think this is a second shot golf course.

Usually when we play it, it's in the wintertime. The rough is kind of dormant, so there's low rough. and you just have to hit your irons very well and you have to chip and put well around these greens. These greens are really tricky. They get quick. Downhillers, I mean, four footers, they can easily run over four or five feet away.

And my strength is kind of my chipping and putting, and I think that's what helps me play well around here. So you're coming off appearance at the waste management just a couple weeks ago. What was the craziest thing you heard out there? I've seen it all over there. I mean, that tournament's crazy. I've had some great success there.

I remember in 2005, I finished second Phil and I planned on the final group with Phil. Oh, my God. I mean, Phil's a favorite everywhere, but in Phoenix, he's, he's legendary over there, and I had a great time. And I'll tell you what, the craziest thing I saw was on the 17th. I was walking down the fairway, and there was a guy ran inside the rope. It was a pretty chilly day. He had shirtless, pantsless. He only had boxers on.

He was running down the faraway. He waved at us running by. Dives into the lake, swims around, and the water is disgusting, by the way. People that play golf usually know the ponds are on the golf course. It's disgusting because of the fertilizer, the chemical that washes into the pond. It's gross. And he swims around, everybody's cheering. He comes down, he runs back to the group and he asks for a high five.

When I looked at him, I said, don't touch me. He just came out of that pond there. He might grow another year soon. And then he walked like nothing happened, walked out the rope, and turned out of the cops and came and just tackle them. I love that tournament, man. What a tournament. You just can't get that story anywhere else.

No, nowhere else on the planet. So what's your, I mean, approach? Do you, I feel like you've got to be one of two types. You either have to embrace it or if you don't, you just can't even play the golf tournament because it's going to be outrageous like that. Some guys don't like it. They don't play it. But I love it.

I mean, I play there every year. I mean, I was hurt this year in the beginning of season. I broke my pinky at the end of the year. I jammed it, and I took the whole year off, a whole beginning of the year. I couldn't play, but I said, I can't miss the Phoenix Open. So I kind of pressed it and play the Phoenix Open, and then I took another week off. I feel like I'm ready to go again this week. Yeah, does it kind of fire you up?

Like, we got huge galleries that are going crazy? Is it, you know, does it pump you up and get you more excited to play? I think so. For me, it does. It definitely gets me more excited. And I think it helps me focus, too, because, you know, I want to play well. especially on 16, you want to hit that good shot and make birdie into you don't want to get booed. So.

I birded it two days out of the four, so I was happy. That's, I mean, that feels good. That's big. No wonder you keep going back to that tournament. Every time I go to that home, every day, they sing my, I don't know, I don't want to call my song. They sing the song. You go, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, hey, hey. And they say, some people will say, Kevin, nah.

And I think I'm better than that. Oh, that's great. A couple of birdies, too. That's nice. Yeah, that's nice. So last year, you shoot an opening round 62, I believe, at Colonial. However, on the ninth hole, I think you're about seven under for the day. You're 185 yards out in the rough.

You get into a little back and forth with your caddy, I believe. Kenny is his name. Walk us through that whole situation because that got a lot of coverage. Yeah, so I hit in the right rough, and there's a, behind the tree. and the area where I was, there was like a patch of rough where there was, there was, it was kind of bare. So I had a clean line. And I had, I had, I was obviously like, there's a pond in the front behind the greeners grandstands. And, you know, I looked at my can't, he says, you know what, I think I can slice this.

It's a 40 to 50 yards. I think I can slice this with a three or four iron and get it on the green. So, oh, before I said that, I pulled out like the four iron. And he goes, he looked at me, he goes, what are you doing? I said, I think I can cut this on the green. He goes, where are you going to go with that? He goes, on the green? He goes, can't, there's shorts, long's dead.

You got nowhere to go. I go, well, I'm not going to hit a short. I'm not going to hit it long. I'm not going to hit it on the green. So he's like, well, short's dead. So I said, okay, so I pulled out the three iron. He goes, do you like this? He goes, no.

Where he goes, well, I'm going anyway. Get out of the way. And I hit a long lap into the grandstand. And then he's, he's, he's, obviously not happy. He's like, that's dead over there. You know,

depending where the pin was, it was impossible to chip to get to. But because of the grandson, where I dropped it, I kind of had an angle. It was a difficult chip, but I kind of had an angle and hoping to make par somehow.

And I chipped it right in. I just looked at him. I said, yeah, I told you. I got this. My favorite part of that is when you say, all right, well, I mean, this is what I'm going to do? Do you like the club?

And he's just like, no. You're like, give me some sort of like, confirmation here, just give me a yes, and he's just like, nope, I don't like that glove. Yeah, well, he's, you know, like I said, we've been, you know, he's been catting for me for, you know, 10 years at the time, now 11, and he's always not afraid of tell me what he thinks. If he doesn't like it, he'll tell me, he goes, I don't like it. I don't like it. And it's like, you keep saying that, he goes, and I think when I'm still going to say,

I'm going to go with it, it's kind of like, okay, you're on your own risk. I told you so. It's like, if this doesn't happen, if this doesn't go well, you know that I've already told you that I don't like it. Yeah. How important is that to have a guy on the bag that you know will kind of not necessarily just be a yes guy all the time, but kind of tell you exactly. It's very important.

Yeah. There's plenty of guys that's too afraid to tell you what, you know, what he thinks or, you know, what you should do. And he's not afraid of that. And he's back me off shots. Like, whoa, whoa, hold on, hold on. What? Like at the Phoenix, where he goes, I'm ready to go.

I'm literally ready to go. He goes, whoa, hold on, hold on. He goes, oh, my God. He goes, oh, my God. He goes, what? He goes, I give you a bad number. I went out the wrong head. It's 10 less than I.

I would actually give you. I would have fallen to green. He goes, I would have been the first time in 10 years. I gave you a bad number. Oh, man. Imagine you just fly it by 10 yards. I ended up in the close. I was like, thank God you pulled me off because I had to air melt a green.

That's great. Good for him to having the balls to be like, all right, all right. I've got to be honest. I messed up. Yeah, yeah. If you know, I'm He's the opposite of soft-spoken.

Yeah. I've heard he's a very interesting, very good guy. Yeah, he's a good guy. If he wasn't, he wouldn't have catty for me 11 years. Fair. About six weeks later, you get your second win on the PGA tour at the Greenbrier. How different was that win kind of everything considered, you know, the different stages of your career? How different was that win compared to your first win way back in 2011?

Oh, 2011. I don't remember I was so far back. You know, it was nice because I had a big lead. I remember looking at the leaderboard in the back of nine, I had a nice cushion. You know, and I just said, well, okay, just, you know, play your game. Don't do anything stupid. But on that Sunday, I mean, but the similarity on both Sunday, I felt like I was in the zone. I get on the green, I felt like everything was going to go in. And there was some, and both times I felt really comfortable.

And same thing at Greenbrier. It's just, I felt like I was comfortable. And I knew it was going to happen. You know, at some point in the back night, I was like, all right, this is my mind. But, you know, the first win, you work so hard, you know, finally get that first one. And then, you know, you have so many second-piece finishes and all that playoff losses. And then you kind of ask yourself, okay, when is it going to happen again? And then at Greenburn, just in the zone, and I had that big lead coming down,

and it was a nice feeling. It was relaxing. It was a lot more relaxing than me having to make a par on the final hole in Vegas. You know, I could have made, you know, triple bogey in one the tournament, maybe even a quad. So it was a lot more relaxing. I could enjoy a little more coming down the last few holes, and I really enjoyed the moment. Yeah, I mean, because we were talking about Colonial earlier in that week, you shot a 62 and a 61 and still didn't win.

So just like, how hard is it to win on the PGA tour? They said the record, it's like I'm one of like three or four guys that shot below 62, two rounds in a tournament did not win. I said, thank you. That's great. Great to be part of that history, Kevin. That's great. Appreciate that, guys.

Thank you so much. Thank you. It's not easy. I mean, some of these guys obviously, there's just, Superstarce. You know, he's like Phil Mickelson again once today, and he's won like 50 times. Guys like that make it look easy. You know, the Jordan Speeds and Justin Thomas D.G., these guys make it look so easy.

But for the rest of the world, and the guys that even won once or twice or three times, it's not, they don't win every year. I mean, it's, you know, it happens a few times in your career. And that's, if you win three or four times in your career, that's still a pretty good career. Right? So, but it's not easy. I mean, there's always, you know, you're always coming down to stretch and always having to, there's always that key hole, the key moments that you've got to pull off.

And there's always somebody chasing you down, you know. Sometimes, you know, you see it happen where the superstar comes and shoot 64 on Sunday, and you get beat. I mean, what Vander did at the tournament of championship championship championship championship championship to be Gary Wooden, and he shot nothing on Sunday. And that's just, and Gary played great on Sunday, and he just got unlucky. somebody played better than it. And it happens.

And it's not easy to win out here. And you look at the guys that there's so many guys that good players that I know that have gone their career without a win. So every time you get a chance and you do it, you just got to soak it in and enjoy it. Yeah, Gary Wooden, that one felt like one of those where both guys should just get credited for a win because he played so well. He teed off with the lead. He played really well. He hit an unbelievable shot at 17 and still just couldn't get it done. yeah so you mentioned uh you know one of your records earlier i hate to have to bring this up but

you also have another record from the 2011 willara texas open the ninth hole you got to yeah i had i had a couple over on that hole right you got you got to you got to walk us through what happened on that yeah so people ask me all the time and i i you know i i i don't mind it and um i saw on the team and i was playing great i mean i i think i was underpart the time but it's a very difficult golf course and I block the tee shot to the right and get there find a ball no shot by the way in the in the in the trees there the ground is all gravels and there's stone there's limestone there so it's hard to get a soul on the on the on the ball and then so we go back to the tee hit in the same spot my catty goes let's go back to the tea I ain't going back to the

tea it's embarrassing I got to go back to the tea I'm going to hit this so and then I hit it in the ball the club bounces off the rock the ball hit the tree and it hits me in the inside of like two inches higher and it hits me in the nuts and I'm down on the ground. I would have been WD for the tournament. That might have been better. You should have gone back to the team, my man. I'm out.

Yeah. And I looked at him and I said, dude, I think the ball just hit me. I felt something brush inside my leg and he looks like, the ball's behind you. How did it hit? How did it hit my leg? And they replayed the video and you can see my pants kind of just kind of move a little bit the inside of my leg. It's really close.

Two inches I said, two inches I don't know, I'm like what happened to me. And then after that, I don't remember, actually. I blacked out. I'm just trying to get the ball out of there. The only thing I remember next was me finally getting the ball out and play. And the rest of the shots, I had to see it on replay to see what happened. Because I couldn't count how many strokes I hit. And they got every one of them.

We went back and counted it, and I made a 16. I remember walking down, I think, 11th family were trying to count how many what I made. I said, and it's somewhere from between a 14 and a 16, but it's closer to a 16. Yeah, you still, you shot an 80 with a 16. I mean, if I go out there, I'll be like, man, I potted lights out. I shot 80. I played great. So during play, they came and said, we counted it up in 15.

I said, okay. So on the last toll, I had like a eight-footer for a birdie to shoot. At the time, 70, to break 80. I'm like, just for 79, I got to make this. I grind it, and I made it. I was like, all right, 79. But I'm like, you know what? I'm going to go in there and double check what I, and they didn't count one of my, one of the shots.

I missed the ball left-handed once. They didn't count that. I was like, actually, that's a whiff there. So it's actually 16. Damn it, I shot 80s. Oh, that's an incredible comment. You know, that ball now. It's 30 yards wider on the right side.

They pushed the rocks and the tree. They widen that side 30 yards. It's not the same hole anymore. So people go off there, man, that's far right. No, no, no, no. Those were 30 yards closer to that way when I hit it in there. That's the nah effect. You changed the whole golf course.

Yeah, I did. You're welcome. Yeah, right. So what's your favorite venue all-season long, major or non-major, on the BGA door. Riviera being one of them because, like I said, I grew up watching this tournament. And Augusta National, I mean, I have to throw Augusta. It's a special place.

This will be my eighth times playing the master this year. And every time I go there, it still gets me. I'm still very, very honored to be there and very thankful. And I'm still in awe. And I walk, drive down Magdalian, and it's like, wow. I'm here. It's amazing. It's a special place.

It's a common theme. I think it's just, it's incredible. You would think some of these guys would be, some of you guys would be desensitized to it or something like that. But every guy we ask just says, well, Augusta is special no matter what you say. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. So the 2012 Players Championship, you're playing great. You're leading the tournament at TBC Sawgrass, but.

Oh, let's get over this, guys. It's seven years ago. You've got. Well, I want to hear from you because we've, you know, I feel like the average golfer tunes into that. You know, maybe they're not paying that much attention. They just tune in and they say what the hell is going on here. What, you know, like from your vantage point, you're playing great and struggling to pull the trigger. What, you know, what was that like going through that and then, you know, getting over that eventually?

Basically, I had the yips. I had the yips. I couldn't take it back. But when I did take it back, it went straight. I mean, every ball I hit one straight right down the pipe. It's probably because I wasn't worried about where the ball was going. I was just worried about being able to hit it. And I was playing some of my best golf, and a lot of guys that go through yips,

you never see them because, first of all, they're not making a cut, right? They're not going to be on TV. But I was playing some of my best golf with having the yips. And it was very difficult for me at the time. I think the worst thing I did was watch TV on Saturday before Sunday's round. And people were just ripping me, and I was honest. I was honest. I wasn't one of those guys that denied, deny, deny.

And I was honest. I said, look, I'm having a very difficult time taking it back. I know it's difficult to watch, but it's even harder to be in my shoes right now. And I was honest, and obviously, I thought being honest would help, but it didn't. And obviously I got over it, but at the time it was very difficult. I thought maybe this might not be able to ever play again because it was so, I mean, it was painful. you know some people some idiots still yell like hey they can't pull the trigger I look over it God it was eight it was seven years ago get over it but you know what I think it made

me stronger as a player now because I went through that and I get messages all the time I get I get messages few times a year from pro or collegiate players that is going through the same thing and they ask me Kev I'm going through the same thing what do I need to do what did you do to get over And I always sent them a nice, long message saying, this is why I did, try this, try this. And there's more than, I guess, there's more than me. There's plenty of people out there that have gone through it or is going through it. Yeah, that was actually for me. I mean, that was when I became a big Kevin Knaff fan.

And the reason was because of how honest you were. I guess I'm kind of surprised for you to say that you think, you know, it didn't help that you were that honest. Because for me, and I know, like, a lot of my friends that followed it, we've been big Kavanaugh fans ever since then. because we've looked at and been like, hey man, the guy's trying to hit the fucking ball. Like, he wants to hit it as fast as he can. He would like to play as quick as he can. This is just what he's going through. And everybody who's played the game has gone through stuff where you just don't feel comfortable.

You're trying to do this or trying to do that. So for me, I thought, like, that was when I became more of a fan because it's hard to find guys, especially in golf, that are kind of just honest and open and like, hey, this is what's happening. Yeah. And, you know, they, I don't know how that turned into. I mean, look, I'll be honest. I'm not the fastest player. from T to Green I play decent speed

and then on the green I do take my time of it But then I just people said Oh he's playing slow He's just well there's a difference between playing slow and having the years Yeah I mean don't give me wrong I'm not saying I'm fast at all Look I'm probably you know a little bit on the slow side But but look I'm always watching and trying to help out the group

But I don't know People turn it into the wrong way But it's okay Look it's okay I mean I got over it I'm fine and I'm able to help people that's struggling because I know what it's like and I can help them. But you know what? Until you go through it, you just don't know. So you've played well at Sawgrass multiple times, and since then, how important is that course that tournament to you? Oh, the player championship

is the fifth major. I know it's not officially a major, but it's the strongest field in golf and it's basically the PGA Tour is major. And I know the person is always one of the biggest, or if not the biggest. It's a special place to win. I think the golf course sets up well for me, and I'll keep having chances to win before my career is over, and I like to pull it off one of these years. It's an amazing place. Obviously, that's 16, 17, 18, is a great finish.

Three of the one of the best finishing holes in golf. 17 is always exciting. I know you guys at home watch. watch like watching us dumping in the like. No, no. Us, guys like us, we would never. Come on. Come on.

You know, guys at home, they like when pro struggle. They said it's fun. All my friends, I mean, we like watching you guys struggle. We love the U.S. Open because you guys are shooting 80 all the time. We love it. I'll be honest. Yeah, you make it look too easy, too many weeks of the year. So we're finally like, yeah, put that thing in the water.

Oh, it's great. It's so fun to watch. Yeah. Look, when I'm watching TV, I think it's kind of funny, too. There we go. Thank you. Yeah, but, yeah, it's a beautiful place. I mean, I know this year the date has changed to March.

So it'll be interesting how the weather is. I've played it in the March for in the back early in my career. It's usually a little bit more wet, a little cooler. I think it'll help me because the greens are going to be softer. You can hit all the long, you can, whatever club you want in there, it's going to hold. So it'll be fun. What's the single most important shot you hit in your? your entire career.

The next one. That's not an answer we've had before, I don't think. No, that's a fresh one. That's a little Tom Brady-esque there. Do you have any superstitions during competition? Well, I don't know if it's superstition. It's more a routine, I think. I've used the same ballmarker for over a year now.

What is it? On one side, on one side, it's just about a, you know, about a size of a 50 cent coin. It's a custom coin on one side that's got my daughter's name, Sophia, on it. That's very nice. Yeah. So if you're in the fairway on a par five, you're thinking about going for the green and two, what's kind of your standard carrier?

How far are you confident you can carry a three wood? It used to be about 240. But this year I put a strong three wood in play, and this epic flash is hot. And I think I can carry it. If I have a good lie, I think I can carry it close to 250. So if it's 250 and there's no breeze, I think I can give it a go.

It's a nice little weapon to have. What's the most nervous you've ever been on a golf course? I've been nervous plenty of times. And I remember in a playoff against Jeff Oakby in 2005 in Tucson, I remember playing the 10th. It was our second playoff ball. We both part the first hole. And the second playoff hole,

it's a doggly left part five. I remember standing my legs were shaken. I couldn't feel my club. It felt so light. My adrenaline was pumping. I couldn't feel the club. I felt like I was going to hit it as far as, you know, Cameron Champ.

I couldn't feel the club. It felt like a toothpick. I just remember right now that my legs were shaken. I mean, I just got nervous as you. describe that. I'm nervous sitting here. So you, you know, we've heard a lot about nerves and adrenaline on the golf course. How much does it affect your yardage is, the adrenaline and the nerves? So I'd say I'm about, try to put it in about half a club longer with the irons in tournament

than practice round, almost a club. Half a driver, 15 yards. So maybe, I don't know, 5% longer. It obviously progresses, you know, 5% is more accurate than half a club because the longer the club, there's more, there's going to be more of a difference. So that's about 5%. That's amazing. So that's just from practice round two. And if I'm in the hunt, if I'm in the hunt, add a couple percent on top of that. Wow.

And then you, Kenny, I mean, Kenny's got all that in his head, too. He's talking you through this. Oh, yeah. He knows. He knows. We giggle and price found some of the irons I pull like 155 yards. It's like, I don't know if I can get eight iron there. I'm going to tip of seven.

He's just laughing. I just got off a plane. I just flew coast to coast. That's amazing. Then tournament, you're like, Luke and a pitching way. Give me a nine-hairn. That's great. So you mentioned that, you know, you had a little bit of an injury,

took some time off to kick off the year, didn't play as much. What are, you know, like, what's a facet of the game that you're really focused on going forward that if, you know, a fan's tuning in being like, all right, I know Kevin Nause really focused on this. I want to see how he does. What part of your game are you kind of? focusing on going into this year. Right now, this year, I want to keep my putting stat pretty high.

Last year, I think I finished 11th in the stroke-stained and putting and I started the year kind of bad. And this is the same thing. I've only played one tournament this calendar year. And because I haven't played enough events, my putting stat is just misleading. It's kind of, it's really bad right now. But I want at the end of the year my putting stat to be my stroke-s-game punting stat to be from the top 10.

And if I do that, I think I'll have a good year because I feel like, like my ball striking is, it's decent. I mean, it's not like, oh, my God, I'm hitting it so good right now. It's decent. I have a better understanding of my game, my swing right now. I've been working with Drew Stecko, my coach, since about a year and a half now, and I have a better understanding when things start going poorly, I know how to get back on track now.

So I feel like I'm not too worried about my ball striking, but, you know, you know what they say, drive for show, puffer dough. So if you can't put, you've got to find a different job. Feels like we got a little confidence going to this year. I like it. Yeah. So at Aaron Hills, you posted a little video about the Fescue Rough. Seems like you may have gotten.

You actually got some pull because then they cut down the rough. So some people might credit you for that a little bit. He changes courses all the world. Yeah, that's true. I mean, you're changing anytime anything happens, you're just changing the golf course. I think you might have more pool than you think. But the players in general, I think, have taken issue with the U.S. open setups,

with the USGA, more than anything else in golf. What would you like to see the USGA do differently to make for a better U.S. Open at Pebble Beach? I'd like to see the legend of the game, them invite the legend of the game, guys like Jack, guys like Trevino, player, all these guys that are Hall of Famers that are not playing the game anymore,

invite them and just ask for their opinion. What do you think we should do? You know, what do you think about this setup? And U.S.J still has the final call, but kind of consider what they think they should do because Jack has played many opens at Pebble. He's won many, many times. I mean, he's won 18 majors and all these guys that have won major championship and get the players perspective.

The problem, I don't want to say a problem. I think the thing that sometimes, not all the time, U.S.A. does a good job, but sometimes we don't like some of their setups because I think the guys on the board don't see it on the player's side. None of these guys have one major championship. None of these guys have played professional golf at our level. So sitting in that boardroom, these guys come up with ideas and things to do or how to set up a golf course.

They've never actually played that condition and be able to shoot under par. So I think that's the next thing they should do from now on is have some of these Hall of Famers come and help them set up a tournament. I like it. I were actually good friends with the USJS, so we're going to pass that along, and then hopefully we can get that done.

You seem to have a lot of influence yourself, so I think we might be able to get that done. I don't know. Although at Aaron Hill, when they moed that, they said, I think the email went on it, I said, we're going to mow some of these rubs, but it's got nothing to do with players input. Okay.

Okay. Yeah, no. And I remember some of the guys, and they were like Bill Hoff, I remember, one of the guys that remember, hey, Jeff, thanks. They did a kidding, but they're like, hey, thanks. We had a good life. That's great. Well, Kevin, now we're glad to see you back out there.

We appreciate you taking the time. If anybody gives you any shit out there, let me know. We'll kind of make fun of them online. That's all we can really do. Cool. Thank you. Thanks, guys. All right, man.

Thanks again for the time. Good luck this week. Enjoyed it. Thanks, guys. See, Kevin. yeah